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Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/03 00:19:02


Post by: Alpharius


No worries - I'm sure Highlords will find some reason to Highlord it up during this campaign.

They always do!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/03 04:08:01


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Dude, I gotta get my reptile fix.

I'm actually more intrigued with that wall piece and how that's going to be used.

Just about a week to go now!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/04 02:22:20


Post by: highlord tamburlaine





....slowpokes.



They look big.

What material will the piggies be when they're cast?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/04 09:18:29


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


That would be resin. And yes, they are big, these are monstrous cavalry around 55 to 60mm long (without the tail) and are currently standing on 75x50mm bases.
There will also be a mounted version with heavier armor :-)

The simpler version (portrayed atop) may be destined for 50mm bases (with careful positioning they should rank up just fine) although we are still play testing to see if that would work OK, the mounted version is 100% oriented for the 75x50mm bases we had originally planned them for, there will be no changes there. All monstrous cavalry (regardless of race/faction) share that base size.

Our biggest surprises have yet to come, we are saving them for the duration of the campaign.
Hope you like them, these were sculpted by Olivier Bouchet, another very talented sculptor in our opinion of our Team.
Another thing I'm allowed to reveal is that he has been commissioned by us to sculpt 3 out of 4 monstrous cavalry, he's currently working on the Shieldmaiden beasties :-)

Thank you.
The Shieldwolf Team.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/04 13:07:52


Post by: Theophony


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
We have entered the last week, so we may even start teasing a bit more, we are pretty sure you'll be seeing stuff you were not expecting. Hopefully all this work will be liked as much as we liked it ourselves, like another member said in another forum, there is an element of art in producing miniatures, and that's exactly how we feel about it! :-D

So, the teasers below have to do with the Shieldmaiden faction this time (pictures), sculpted by the very talented Paolo Fabiani. Tomorrow we'll be revealing some -beastly- goodies from the Valley Orc race. :-)







My mind saw the first picture and your blurb about shield maidens and thought are they really making a fantasy shower room wall set
my mind obviously was not in the right place this morning.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/05 04:40:52


Post by: Nostromodamus


Looking forward to seeing how is one plays out.

I'm a bit skeptical about funding multiple factions, all in HIPS, but go big or go home I guess?

Best of luck Shieldwolf!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 13:11:31


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Τhanks Alex! Hoping al works out fine and our decisions prove us correct, time will tell :-)

In the meanwhile, times have been decided.



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 13:15:47


Post by: Nostromodamus


Updated the upcoming KS thread with the time.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 13:43:03


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Alex C, think London time interests more than Athenian... :-)

And yes, go big or go home, although we will start small and start building up (another choice we spent hours discussing upon)...
Fingers crossed!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 13:54:26


Post by: Nostromodamus


I listed it in Eastern standard, as that's what I am in and it keeps things straight in my head that way!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 16:05:52


Post by: dubovac


Wish you all the best Shieldwolf but if I may ask why Tuesday and not weekend?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 16:23:56


Post by: RivenSkull


dubovac wrote:
Wish you all the best Shieldwolf but if I may ask why Tuesday and not weekend?


It's less about the start date for the KS and more about the end date.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 16:48:06


Post by: dubovac


Hmm didnt look at it that way


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 17:08:13


Post by: Darth Bob


Some really promising looking stuff in this thread. Loving the Ogre teasers we've gotten. May just pledge to this when it pops up.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/06 19:09:17


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@ RivenSkull +1 ;-)

@ dubovac @ Darth Bob @ Alex C Thank you.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/07 22:47:57


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Is there no way to speed up time...?

*rolling eyes*


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/08 00:57:12


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


You can start it now.

We won't mind.

Or tell.

Dakka wins all the EBs that way!

At least I've got something to look forward to on Tuesday!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/08 15:20:44


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Lol! :-D

After so many months of long work, it's like the last days seem so long...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 15:24:36


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I finally finished my Troll that's been sitting here for months now, in honor of this starting!

Got to take care of that giant pile of Mountain Orcs next.

Now about getting to work on time...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:14:58


Post by: Trodax


I grabbed one of the European EB's, this looks like it might be interesting.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:19:21


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Grabbed an EB and the first comment!

No idea what I'll end up with by the time this all finishes.

Probably big stuff.

5 coins for those orcs is a great deal though!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:30:28


Post by: howie


Thought I'd jump.on this as well. See what ogres I can get for the early bird pledge


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:30:38


Post by: corgan


The pledge goal is fulfilled!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:50:54


Post by: RoninXiC


Got a 200$ early bird.. not sure if I actually keep it.. but whatever


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:55:34


Post by: overtyrant


So I've just had a look and there are no troops apart from the ogres available from the get go, or the first few stretch goals as well? These ogres are expensive which is why I didn't want them made out of resin, there what £25 for 4? I can get 6 GW ogres for £20 or 6 Mantic ogres for £16. I prefer fatties for my ogres but I like the design of the mantic ones as well. I thought there was ment to be 5 armies not 4, unless I'm having a blonde moment. I would've liked to have had a $1 pledge so I could put my foot in the door and maybe upgrade if I like some of the troops from the other armies later on. Though I'm looking forward to what the mammoth will look like! Good luck on the KS!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 19:57:06


Post by: RoninXiC


It's true that I would've loved to see a stronger focus on troops. The orc troops are by far the major reason people are interested in this one!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 20:16:48


Post by: Capamaru


overtyrant wrote:
So I've just had a look and there are no troops apart from the ogres available from the get go, or the first few stretch goals as well? These ogres are expensive which is why I didn't want them made out of resin, there what £25 for 4? I can get 6 GW ogres for £20 or 6 Mantic ogres for £16. I prefer fatties for my ogres but I like the design of the mantic ones as well. I thought there was ment to be 5 armies not 4, unless I'm having a blonde moment. I would've liked to have had a $1 pledge so I could put my foot in the door and maybe upgrade if I like some of the troops from the other armies later on. Though I'm looking forward to what the mammoth will look like! Good luck on the KS!


Well actually you can click on the mammoth and see what it looks like . Third picture of product on their site. Its not painted but it looks great


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 20:24:52


Post by: carlos13th


Kinda want to see what troops are available for what price before considering anything.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 20:27:45


Post by: prankster


Well, the plastic mountain orcs are one of the 'addons' further down the page. Comes in at ~$15 for a unit of 20 rather than the ~$29 via their web store.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 20:32:25


Post by: skarsol


Heh, despite the polls and such here, they don't seem super prepared for having their KS project be a success. Not a huge deal, but not what I was expecting. The confusion created by the Necromancer pledge level was also interesting.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 20:32:42


Post by: overtyrant


prankster wrote:
Well, the plastic mountain orcs are one of the 'addons' further down the page. Comes in at ~$15 for a unit of 20 rather than the ~$29 via their web store.


Yeah but I want to see what troops arebeing funded by this KS campaign not what's already available in there store, I suppose we should see soon enough anyway. Though I may pick up a box of there mountain orcs and use them as demons in KoW as they look more like demons then orcs to me. Just seen the picture of the ogres 'butcher', he's not going to be a magic user is he?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 21:20:34


Post by: Alpharius


I have to agree - NEEDS MORE TROOPS!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 21:26:25


Post by: RiTides


I'd like to see more pics of the War Mammoth:



With howdah:




I actually prefer it without the howdah, but need to see more pics of it! Not sure what I would use it for, but it definitely makes me think of the third LOTR movie, which is cool


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 21:41:31


Post by: prankster


Some updates to keep us going:

Update 1:
Funded! Thank you all, let's make this go as far as possible!

Hi all and we appreciate the support, wow, funded and unlocked the first 5 stretch goals, way to go!
We hope you find everything (miniatures & stretch goals) reasonably priced, we'll be adding each and every image on the first page of all the unlocked goodies, in the meanwhile we have passed the $10,000 mark, so here's the Valley Orc Shaman (has been commissioned to Paolo Fabiani)




Update 2:
2nd Lion unlocked, moving on to the 3rd...

So, Guard of Pramendes got the 2nd lion unlocked (hope you're enjoying their storyline/background), moving on to the 3rd, then on to some cool stuff from the other factions!







Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 23:06:37


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hello all!

And thanks for your support! We understand people need to see more troops and they obviously will as long as the funding keeps augmenting :-)

Actually you can see a lot of stuff by clicking on the initial images, most of the ones for the funding goal are already sculpted, painted and with 360s to have a closer look at :-)

Here are the next stretch goals...





After the 2-headed Dragon gets unlocked things should start looking even sweeter... :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 23:09:09


Post by: RiTides


It might be smart to make an update showing the sculpted and painted models, since I don't think it was obvious to click on the images (I only did so on the mammoth because someone mentioned that here).

Or perhaps even to update the main page to show the actual models. Models tend to do better than art, I think!



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 23:55:46


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@RiTides Thanks (you're right)... hope you like 'em! :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/10 23:56:44


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


(Oops, mistake)

:-)


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skarsol wrote:
Heh, despite the polls and such here, they don't seem super prepared for having their KS project be a success. Not a huge deal, but not what I was expecting. The confusion created by the Necromancer pledge level was also interesting.


Hi! :-) We weren't expecting that either :-D we have never used the interface before and initially it didn't allow us to post some pics (causing frustration). Unlike some people thought/said pics were obviously ready but we were either not uploading them correctly (e.g. linking 2 consecutive images on the same url) or it was uploading them for some reason at the very bottom of the page! (We still haven't figured out why, maybe it has something to do with the links? If Tre ' is listening, we'd like some council!) :-)
Also, we expected people to grab smaller pledge levels and then see where it leads them, we admit it caught us off guard, by the time we updated the "We got funded", we had to unlock instead the first stretch goals. And then the 2nd, etc! Seems our backers are more experienced and they prefer sitting on an EB (although maybe costly) and judge later what the benefit is and whether they'll keep it or not.
It is a reasonable approach now that I come to think of it... :-)

Anyway, all's good, 29 days to go and 55$ away from unlocking our 2nd Ogre Unit, then come in the Shieldmaiden stretch goals and their 2-headed Dragon, so all's bound to rise even more support. We also believe after our ads kick in, we'll have more pledges coming tomorrow (03.25' here in Athens), almost 15K first day (6 1/2 hours to be exact), especially when some of our sculpts kick in some blogspots.

Guess that's about it for today.
:-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 02:52:22


Post by: skarsol


For the future, if you have Early Bird pledges, expect those to all go first. Since your EB/limited pledges were all high dollar, that pushed your total up quickly. Note that there will probably be turnover in these pledges later as people who grabbed them "in case" end up dropping out.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 03:31:19


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


You're absolutely spot on, but although we appreciate really strong support, what we need is an augmented number of backers... :-)

And that's exactly why we have 29 days to summon them to our cause, 15K isn't bad for first day, we were not expecting to fund our first plastic kit in 24 hours (although we would have been VERY pleasantly surprised!), we need a steady augmentation of backers, something our only chance is by unlocking more goodies.

Let's hope this entices more people, commissioned to Olivier Nkwetti and being sculpted as we speak...





Anyway, no need to draw any conclusions at this early stage, we'll try to enjoy the ride... :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 04:19:07


Post by: overtyrant


Ogres with guns are on the expensive side.....


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Also, why did you not do a $1 pledge level?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 05:41:51


Post by: AlexHolker


Damn. I was hoping those were for a giantess, not a mammoth.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 06:07:17


Post by: Gallahad


Well, I'm in. I look forward to a fun campaign. Lion riders look fantastic.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 06:51:19


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


So, what is the first plastic kit we are likely to see on the stretch goal list?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 09:11:05


Post by: Binabik15


I want a mammoth one day so I can build a giant in Bretonnian gear (shield, lance, helmet, etc) on his trusty steed. This one looks nice (if not as grumpy as the FW one), but I just can't spend more on minis that gather dust while I slave away over textbooks. Have to wait for retail in a few years.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 09:15:35


Post by: Azazelx


I just grabbed a Pacific EB. I like SW and want to support them, but I'll look at the campaign again just before it ends and decide what to do then. I'm not a fan of meta-currency campaigns, and it was one reason I didn't back Kromlech's Orks. Only having line art for most stretch goals is rather disappointing as well.


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Just read through the Q&A. MIKH is mentioned as a potential sculptor. Does he count as a "natural disaster" in terms of KS delays?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 09:31:38


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I thought Mikh was trapped in a temporal loop sculpting gladiators. Or having Jodi's baby?

If the campaign is waiting on one of his sculpts, that definitely sounds like trouble.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 10:12:24


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


overtyrant wrote:
Ogres with guns are on the expensive side.....


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Also, why did you not do a $1 pledge level?

a.Resin costs overtyrant, we are pretty sure it's a very normal price to pay to see this created, I'm not saying it's a steal by any means, but math is what it is and we have to be reasonable and honest. Believe it or not we are putting labor hours for free in order to help fund the plastics, if this campaign doesn't fund, I honestly don't know what else could've been done...
Also, $1 pledge level, you're right, thanks for pointing it out! Just added it a few minutes ago ;-)
 Gallahad wrote:
Well, I'm in. I look forward to a fun campaign. Lion riders look fantastic.

Thanks Gallahad and appreciate the support, Paolo Fabiani has started sculpting some of the others as we speak, so we should have WiP pics before the campaign ends. :-)
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, what is the first plastic kit we are likely to see on the stretch goal list?

We've noted it down (although I realize it's a lot to digest) first kit will be Valley Orc Infantry, heavily co-funded by us (we are only asking for 25,000$ which is MUCH lower from what's really needed). 3ups have already been sculpted and we'll be showing them off as we get closer. 2nd plastic kit is the Shieldmaidens/Warmaidens (dual kit).

 Azazelx wrote:
I just grabbed a Pacific EB. I like SW and want to support them, but I'll look at the campaign again just before it ends and decide what to do then. I'm not a fan of meta-currency campaigns, and it was one reason I didn't back Kromlech's Orks. Only having line art for most stretch goals is rather disappointing as well.

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Just read through the Q&A. MIKH is mentioned as a potential sculptor. Does he count as a "natural disaster" in terms of KS delays?


Thanks Azazelx, you're very honest and I'll completely understand if people at the end of the campaign start dropping their pledges. What we wish for to happen is something like e.g. Mantic's Dungeon Saga (although with some substantial differences), initially the value wasn't there but by collective effort it became at the end. We are not Mantic and we decided to make this grow little by little, let's see where it leads us... :-)
Artwork... well, we still have some miniatures not revealed, but that's not fair I think, e.g. Mierce also uses some of our sculptors, gets funded and has WAY less minis pre-sculpted (let alone painted and 360 shot). If we were to sculpt even more stuff before launching the campaign we'd have needed a lot more time which was not an option (don't know how much, but certainly many many months)... besides the economical damage for not releasing them for retail sales in the meanwhile... :-)
Ah, for the gold coin system. We think it's fairly simple although we can appreciate people wanting to know raw numbers. I can't contradict that :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 10:32:51


Post by: Azazelx


I'm not talking about "value". I make a distinction between campaigns like Mantic's, CMoN, etc - the "tons of figures" campaigns and what I consider the "smaller" ones which range from Avatars of War, Raging Heroes, Red Box, Stonehaven, etc. I'd consider you in the latter field, where it's more about making the products a real thing than a "fake pre-order" with "fake stretch goals".

In the former, I really do expect buckets of low-priced models that aren't necessarily going to be great quality. In the latter type of campaigns, I expect far fewer freebies (though a few are always nice of course), but higher quality models. I'd put yours in the latter.

Massive delays and badly-run campaigns are a separate category that run across both types of campaign.

My concerns at this stage are around the huge drop in the AU$ and not actually needing any more figures - so being very much more picky with what I want to buy, especially since I'm clearly going to die with thousands of unbuilt models, so I figure I may as well buy fewer of them...

As for the line art, I of course understand that not everything can be sculpted, but I did expect more to be done. I'm a bit surprised that initial figures like the Valley Orcs (Hero/Warlord) aren't done for example, and showing the line art for the Mammoth when there are some nice looking WIP sculpts makes me wonder why they are not shown on the front page instead or at least alongside?

I dislike meta-currencies because they obscure the actual cost of items, so if a buyer likes the look of a /whatever/ they need to convert the coins to money to work out the cost. I mean, if 3 gold pieces = $9, why not just call it $9? More straightforward and upfront, the way I see it - and you guys have always been straightforward and upfront, which is why it seems odd from you. I guess it lets you play with value amounts with the pledge levels, so it's that - but even then it obscures your better deals by that additional step

"$270 worth of models for $258 (plus shipping)" becomes "90 coins for $258 (plus shipping)" followed by "How much is that actually?" - if you see what I mean.



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 11:09:49


Post by: Kharzak


 Azazelx wrote:

As for the line art, I of course understand that not everything can be sculpted, but I did expect more to be done. I'm a bit surprised that initial figures like the Valley Orcs (Hero/Warlord) aren't done for example, and showing the line art for the Mammoth when there are some nice looking WIP sculpts makes me wonder why they are not shown on the front page instead or at least alongside?

Most of the early miniatures already have fully painted versions including the Valley Orcs. You can click on the images to view them.


So far I adore all the models shown. The only problem I really have is with some of the pricing, such as the Lion Riders at retail price of €27.90 for a single model. Outside the kickstarter I would probably never buy these as I can get a regiment of 20 models for less.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 11:33:41


Post by: Azazelx


So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Hm.. that lion rider's description says that it doesn't come with the pictured base, but you can buy them in the BItz secton of the SW website.. except they're not in there.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:02:01


Post by: skarsol


 Azazelx wrote:
So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Hm.. that lion rider's description says that it doesn't come with the pictured base, but you can buy them in the BItz secton of the SW website.. except they're not in there.


It's been pointed out to them multiple times that they would be better served by showing the most complete version of each mini, or even at least indicate on the images that there are more if you click on them. They sent an update mentioning you can click on some, but that doesn't help the new potential pledger coming to the project. They've made a number of really odd choices. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of new people are coming to the project, seeing so much "incomplete", and writing it off as pie in the sky. And the choice to push Shieldmaidens back and making Orcs the first plastic goal seems super silly to me. I'm expecting this to taper off and fall into KS doldrums from here on. I'll be super happy to be proven wrong, at least the dragon should pull in some more money, although being beyond the concept stage would be nice as that sculptor is kinda hit or miss for me.

Amusing that they are totally ignoring all comments about using MIKH.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:17:51


Post by: Nostromodamus


It is strange that a company that has been promoting for months about a project filled with half a dozen factions full of HIPS kits won't show anything more than sketches when they actually launch their project.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:32:05


Post by: scuzz_bucket


Didnt Toughest Girls of the Galaxy get over half a million while only showing like five actual sculpts by the time it was done? Maybe SW should incorporate larger breasts.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:32:36


Post by: Mymearan


There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:33:04


Post by: Trodax


It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:33:50


Post by: skarsol


 scuzz_bucket wrote:
Didnt Toughest Girls of the Galaxy get over half a million while only showing like five actual sculpts by the time it was done? Maybe SW should incorporate larger breasts.


Thus my comment that pushing the Shieldmaidens back in favor of (yet more) orcs was probably a poor choice.


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 Trodax wrote:
It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.


Those aren't new minis. They're minis you can spend gold coins (that you have to math to $3 per, cause... I dunno) on instead of cash in their webstore. But only some current minis are eligible, cause... I dunno.

Just as an example, the Valley Orc Hero is 3 gold coins ($9) but is $8.82 on their webstore currently. You can even get the mammoth for $1.22 savings currently. There is a note, but it doesn't make much sense: "Note: Temporarily available at the discounted price only through the Kickstarter Campaign "Shieldwolf:War is coming". After the Campaign is over all discounts will cease."

Oh, and as a bonus, you get free shipping from the webstore if you spend over like $100, instead of the big bucks on the KS (shipping is only $6 prior to the free level).


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:45:59


Post by: Trodax


But I thought the mounted priest, the lion riders and the ogres were new sculpts, that were to be funded by the Kickstarter? They're all up in the webstore, heavily discounted.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:46:54


Post by: skarsol


Maybe those are "pre-orders" now? Who knows. Definitely seems like the webstore is a way better option once you hit free shipping levels.

They probably could have benefited a lot from having someone with KS experience go over their project plan.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:48:35


Post by: warboss


Mymearan wrote:
There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.


I agree on the dislike for the "fake" currency as well as on the hidden real mini pics. The update on some pics being clickable taking you to 360 pics got me clicking but it generally took me to a store entry with the same concept art and the actual mini on some one page down below the screen. For instance, the lion riders were an interest of mine and it took me a while to find out that the "A" sculpt is already built and painted in their store as long as you search for it. Why not simply post a pick of the "A" sculpt in the update that announced the "B" and "C" sculpts were unlocked along with their concept art. Showing the minis next to the concept art gives pledgers a better understanding of the likelihood of the final product matching to art to avoid a Mantic KOW situation.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:50:24


Post by: Trodax


skarsol wrote:
Maybe those are "pre-orders" now? Who knows. Definitely seems like the webstore is a way better option once you hit free shipping levels.


It seems to me they're updating their webstore as things get unlocked, but I could be completely wrong as I'm not very familiar with the Shieldwolf range, and what is old versus new. It's looking very... unusual to me.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 16:51:46


Post by: skarsol


Regardless, I think we can all agree it's not doing them any favors.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 17:15:40


Post by: Capamaru


Well to tell you the truth most things seem to be ready, even painted and well hidden on the shieldwolf's website. This isn't helping the potential backer since he has to "guess" that first the real model is shown for whatever reason somewhere else and then go through a medieval currency to find out how much everything costs.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 17:23:41


Post by: RiTides


 Azazelx wrote:
So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Mymearan wrote:
There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.

 Trodax wrote:
It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.

 Capamaru wrote:
Well to tell you the truth most things seem to be ready, even painted and well hidden on the shieldwolf's website. This isn't helping the potential backer since he has to "guess" that first the real model is shown for whatever reason somewhere else and then go through a medieval currency to find out how much everything costs.

Shieldwolf, please take a day or so and edit the campaign page to fix this! It has had a nearly unanimous reaction, people didn't know there were sculpted / painted examples, and if they did, it's a ton of work and clicking on various links to go and find them all. Just post them on the campaign page instead of the art! You will get tons more "impulse buy" backers this way, and even people who will look into it further (like many of us here) will be much more likely to pledge / pledge more if you make these pictures more easily accessible.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 17:27:56


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Ritides That's exactly what we are doing. And yes, we are reading comments and they are very helpful. We'll get back to address them once we've finished with the first new images... :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 17:34:42


Post by: RiTides


Excellent . I do love campaigns / creators that take feedback . This will make it much easier for me to see what could be useful to me here!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 20:17:21


Post by: corgan


And now the pics of the models are on the KS page as well


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 20:44:55


Post by: prankster


To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:18:03


Post by: skarsol


So they added more Necromancer's Pouch levels, which is another silly choice as they're just cannibalizing their (already not sold out) EB pledges to give them a better deal. This does nothing towards helping them reach their goal and will probably drop the total pledged as people move from $200 levels to $150+shipping. It's only $1500 in the grand scheme of things, but that's almost 10% of the current total. I think they would have been better served with a new $150 level with all the freebies (what freebies? ), 50 coins, and no bonus undead in order to give a cheaper freebie pledge without offering a better deal than the EBs. Oh well.

On the plus side, switching from Pouch I to Pouch II fixes the shipping costs.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:24:42


Post by: heartserenade


Oh my, the new minis are actually very very nice. I especially like the Icemaiden and the Warrior Priest on horse.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:29:49


Post by: Azazelx


Guys, you need to move things like low-cost female figures up the scale. I know you have internal plans, but I believe that the first plastic kit you create needs to be the females if you want the campaign to follow on strongly.

With plastic Orcs you're competing with GW who already have very nice orcs across multiple kits which are already available that people can go buy today and not pledge for to have arrive in several months or at the end of the year. I think that you need to emphasise the Female barbarians more. There are really no plastic fantasy kits like that - the closest being WGF's Greek-style Amazons - and as such an overlooked aspect, female kits really work for a lot of people. It's something that would be more unique to yourselves, and especially given the feedback in your polls it makes little sense to hold them back. The Dreamforge thread has turned into people making sisters of Battle out of their kits. The entire Raging Heroes/TGG campaign was based on female sculpts.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:29:55


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hard to address each and everyone, we appreciate the feedback and there's nothing but truth to what you are saying (except for the "pre-orders", nothing from all this was available or shown before the KS, we have been hiding some of this stuff since September!)

We explained in our update that we wanted to show the 360's, unfortunately it became very "heavy" to do so since we only get a 50MB limit and with all the artwork and stuff to show that was not possible.
Some people realized this and some didn't, the fault is ours since correct communication is our issue, not the backers.

There's a Greek saying "As long as we live, we learn" :-)

We have fixed a few issues and are close to unlocking the first Dragon of Wave-1 (there's another), let's see how things work out... :-)


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prankster wrote:
To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


You might find this silly but we have already created a pledge manager, so after the very end of the campaign we send it immediately in order to save time. We find that creating a pledge manager and gathering the info a month after the project has completed only wastes precious time, and we wanted to show even more how much we believe and want this... :-/


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:39:04


Post by: Mr Morden


 Azazelx wrote:
Guys, you need to move things like low-cost female figures up the scale. I know you have internal plans, but I believe that the first plastic kit you create needs to be the females if you want the campaign to follow on strongly.

With plastic Orcs you're competing with GW who already have very nice orcs across multiple kits which are already available that people can go buy today and not pledge for to have arrive in several months or at the end of the year. I think that you need to emphasise the Female barbarians more. There are really no plastic fantasy kits like that - the closest being WGF's Greek-style Amazons - and as such an overlooked aspect, female kits really work for a lot of people. It's something that would be more unique to yourselves, and especially given the feedback in your polls it makes little sense to hold them back. The Dreamforge thread has turned into people making sisters of Battle out of their kits. The entire Raging Heroes/TGG campaign was based on female sculpts.


I would tend to agree - the not Lagaetha bust caught my eye as something I want - some nicely done shield maidens is something I will buy in the same way as bought whole army of Amazons from Wargods KS


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:42:16


Post by: Azazelx


I would have bought an army of Amazons from Wargods, but the metal prices were too much for me. If they were plastic, on the other hand... which is very much the point I'm making here.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:42:26


Post by: prankster


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
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prankster wrote:
To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


You might find this silly but we have already created a pledge manager, so after the very end of the campaign we send it immediately in order to save time. We find that creating a pledge manager and gathering the info a month after the project has completed only wastes precious time, and we wanted to show even more how much we believe and want this... :-/


I fully appreciate that. It's something that Mierce do quite well for their campaigns. The sheet above is more to make it easier for people pledging now to work out what they can get, rather than being an official pledge manager for after the campaign.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 21:55:57


Post by: Azazelx


Agreed. You should carefully look over Prankster's document, and if you find it all to be correct, link it on your front page (as others do with similar fan-made resources).


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 22:00:40


Post by: RiTides


The pics of the minis are very much appreciated, thanks!!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 22:16:24


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 Azazelx wrote:
Agreed. You should carefully look over Prankster's document, and if you find it all to be correct, link it on your front page (as others do with similar fan-made resources).

 RiTides wrote:
The pics of the minis are very much appreciated, thanks!!


@Azazelx @RiTides Thank you both! :-)

@Prankster A double thanks to you Sir! :-D


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 22:20:17


Post by: carlos13th


Have any basic troop boxes been unlocked yet? I have checked the kickstarter but cant tell.

It looks like primarily characters have been unlocked but tbh I wouldn't really be interested in any characters for an army until I see what basic troops are available.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 22:37:25


Post by: skullking


I had a couple of questions which may have been answered already, but I hadn't seen them yet.


Will the War mammoth with Howdah have a crew of some sort?

And I wasn't clear with the dragon, are we suppossed to add 3 gold for the rider, so it would be 23 gold, or is the rider a special separate purchase?



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 22:40:12


Post by: Mymearan


Where are the Shieldmaidens, guys? They were THE reason I was interested in this tbh, but i can't find much on the KS page.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 23:31:48


Post by: Kharzak


I cant speak for the others but personally I would have preferred the initial kickstarter to goal to fund the plastic kits you had planned and then have the characters and the other models as the stretch goals.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/11 23:33:06


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 carlos13th wrote:
Have any basic troop boxes been unlocked yet? I have checked the kickstarter but cant tell.

It looks like primarily characters have been unlocked but tbh I wouldn't really be interested in any characters for an army until I see what basic troops are available.

Only troops unlocked for now are 2 units of Ogres (there's a 3rd one coming in wave-1), and the plastic Mountain Orcs we tossed in to help make this work. In order to unlock plastics, we have to complete all the SGs of Wave-1, otherwise it's not going to work, pure mathematics...

 skullking wrote:
I had a couple of questions which may have been answered already, but I hadn't seen them yet.

Will the War mammoth with Howdah have a crew of some sort?

Yes, it will have shieldmaidens atop as a stretch goal freebie, just like FW Chaos Mammoth had Marauders.
For that, we need to unlock their plastics first.
 skullking wrote:
And I wasn't clear with the dragon, are we suppossed to add 3 gold for the rider, so it would be 23 gold, or is the rider a special separate purchase?

Both work fine. You only want the rider? 3gold coins. You want it along with the 2-headed Dragon? 23 gold coins. We'll have it on our pledge manager with the icon and 3 gold coins aside, for whoever wants her that is.
Mymearan wrote:
Where are the Shieldmaidens, guys? They were THE reason I was interested in this tbh, but i can't find much on the KS page.

We are discussing if we must change the order of the plastic kits in order to push the Shieldmaidens first. We have not decided yet however and we are not going to take decisions without discussing them first very thoroughly, according to our survey Shieldmaidens were the most popular, with a 36%. There's also another 64% we have to respect however...


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Kharzak wrote:
I cant speak for the others but personally I would have preferred the initial kickstarter to goal to fund the plastic kits you had planned and then have the characters and the other models as the stretch goals.


We would've too, trust me(!), but that system doesn't work and whoever has tried it has failed. The only way to succeed is to build enough crowd so when the choke-point stretch goal arrives, you'll have the numbers to chew through it.
We might be wrong of course and you would be right.
Time will tell if our choice was wise. 28 days max to be exact :-)


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(going for some hours of sleep now, just leaving this here)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 00:28:14


Post by: Azazelx


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 skullking wrote:


Will the War mammoth with Howdah have a crew of some sort?

Yes, it will have shieldmaidens atop as a stretch goal freebie, just like FW Chaos Mammoth had Marauders.
For that, we need to unlock their plastics first.


Here's a thought - as you point out, while the Shieldmaidens are the most popular individual force, not everyone in the campaign ranks them as their favourite. While we all know that you're building the foundations for your game, your game is still a long way off, so most of us buying your figures are buying them to use in WHFB or other games like KoW (that's where I am) rather than in anticipation of your game. With this in mind, offering plastic shieldmaiden crew as a free stretch goal is limiting. Instead, I suggest that you offer a box (or a sprue, or two sprues - whatever the amount is) of any unlocked plastic kit as the crew.

This would mean that when the plastic shieldmaiden mammoth crew stretch goal would have been unlocked, you also offer the option for Mountain Orcs. When you unlock Tallareum Human plastics, Valley Orcs, etc later on, offer a crew of those, etc as an option instead of the Shieldmaidens for anyone who wants to buy a Mammoth. If the Mammoth is going to be Shieldmaiden-only in your game, that's fine - just make that clear in the stretch goal. This allows you to leverage your existing products (Orcs) as well as all of the upcoming plastics in the campaign and potentially sell a lot more 25 coin/$75 Mammoths with Howdah to a lot more people.

"While our game will only have the option for Shieldmaiden War Mammoths, we understand that people will want to use these models in other games and armies as well - that's why we are offering the choice of ANY of our available/unlocked plastic troops to be included as the crew for this mighty beast."


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I've also just noticed... after the $200 Early Bird pledges, there's nothing until you hit $258. Usually, EB pledges are used to save $10 off or whatever but are functionally identical to the same product at (almost) the same price (like $210) - hence the impetus for backers to jump on board early to save $10 off the actual pledge. With the $200 level, people are saving money against... what?

Also, it might be worth adding more European EBs. As I said before the campaign, there's overall far few fewer of us ANZ-APACers than Europeans - especially for fantasy battle games...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 04:12:34


Post by: overtyrant


The two ogre characters don't look right to me, I think it's their faces that don't seem right, the blacksmith does not remind me of an ogre at all. The shield maiden however looks absolutely fantastic, shame you have no more up there to view.....


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 05:57:27


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Azazelx wrote:
I would have bought an army of Amazons from Wargods, but the metal prices were too much for me. If they were plastic, on the other hand... which is very much the point I'm making here.


This is pretty much where I am, except that I did buy a small war and of metal amazons. The only thing I am interested in pledging for are plastic shield maidens.





Unless some nonhuman, nonorc figures show up out of he blue, but they'd really have to highlord it up the Barzam.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 06:26:40


Post by: Azazelx


overtyrant wrote:
The two ogre characters don't look right to me, I think it's their faces that don't seem right, the blacksmith does not remind me of an ogre at all. The shield maiden however looks absolutely fantastic, shame you have no more up there to view.....


Shieldwolf definitely has a distinct take on the "fatty ogres" style.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 06:41:08


Post by: heartserenade


Wait, there are photos of the plastic Shieldmaidens?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 06:47:49


Post by: Azazelx


There's concept art for a character and a completed caster sculpt.





Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 07:28:05


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We have LOTS of concept artwork, Patrick Keith is the lead-sculptor on those and he has great skills regarding female figurines. We also have more sculpts made, some of which also painted and 360 shot.

For the Shieldmaidens, this Lord was unlocked some hours ago, sculpted by Olivier Nkwetti as we speak (he's sculpting both rider versions).



We have lots of math to do, we'll need a couple of days for sure, last minute chnages when it comes to a lot of people (and their money) is not what we are looking for...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 10:03:24


Post by: Pete Melvin


Backed. Depending on where you get with the Valley Orcs its either them or a shedload of Savage Orcs. Maybe both.
Good Gork I do love Orcs.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 13:27:52


Post by: Alpharius


I've got to agree - NOT leading off with the Shieldmaidens is an...odd decision.

I can see that maybe the goal was trying to...get to that goal by way of some additional funding first?

But as noted, the market is a bit spoiled for choice on Orcs.

Still, onwards and upwards!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 13:33:07


Post by: Azazelx


My guess at the logic was "we'll finish up our Orcs first" followed by "and have a big ending".

The trouble is that people aren't going to speculatively pledge for stuff that's not actually unlocked in the hope that it does unlock.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 14:15:50


Post by: Darth Bob


I'm tempted to pledge for those Ogres, but $39 with the KS discount seems a little steep, to me. I'll have to mull it over.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 14:57:08


Post by: Trodax


overtyrant wrote:
The two ogre characters don't look right to me, I think it's their faces that don't seem right, the blacksmith does not remind me of an ogre at all.

I have to agree. I really like the ogre unit (sculpted by Davide Tedeschi), they're a given pick for me here. But the ogre butcher and blacksmith (by a different sculptor) I'm afraid are so far looking like an easy pass (they are WIP's, so we'll see). I kind of like this guy, though, who is the sculptor of this piece?




Also, I'm wondering who is going to sculpt the ogre firebreather unit. Shieldwolf, do you have a sculptor in line for that yet?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 17:51:29


Post by: Capamaru


Am I the only one that notices the "halfbreed" written after Ogre and before Champion? Maybe that's the reason he doesn't look like an Ogre so much...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 18:00:53


Post by: RiTides


I keep feeling like I'm missing things - where are the other ogre character sculpts pictured, I only see the one above and the unit on the main page? I quite like this half breed one.

Also you might want to edit the Kickstarter link into the OP Shieldwolf (if you don't get to it I can do so, but figured I'd mention it in case you want to do so in a certain way).


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 18:07:59


Post by: Mr Morden


Once I see the shieldmaiden sculpts -I'll look at this - but at the moment its not grabbing me.

Some nice stuff with the Dragons and orcs, quite like some Ogres but nothing i need - Viking style shieldmaidens on the other hand


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 18:25:40


Post by: prankster


prankster wrote:
To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


Updated to include the new SGs that have been unlocked / shown


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 18:56:14


Post by: Prestor Jon


 Mr Morden wrote:
Once I see the shieldmaiden sculpts -I'll look at this - but at the moment its not grabbing me.

Some nice stuff with the Dragons and orcs, quite like some Ogres but nothing i need - Viking style shieldmaidens on the other hand


Same here. If plastic (or even pvc/whatever) shieldmaiden troops get unlocked I will probably pledge for some but until then I will stay on the sidelines.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/12 19:49:33


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 RiTides wrote:
I keep feeling like I'm missing things - where are the other ogre character sculpts pictured, I only see the one above and the unit on the main page? I quite like this half breed one.

Also you might want to edit the Kickstarter link into the OP Shieldwolf (if you don't get to it I can do so, but figured I'd mention it in case you want to do so in a certain way).


Thanks (again) :-) *thumb up*

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 Trodax wrote:
overtyrant wrote:
The two ogre characters don't look right to me, I think it's their faces that don't seem right, the blacksmith does not remind me of an ogre at all.

I have to agree. I really like the ogre unit (sculpted by Davide Tedeschi), they're a given pick for me here. But the ogre butcher and blacksmith (by a different sculptor) I'm afraid are so far looking like an easy pass (they are WIP's, so we'll see). I kind of like this guy, though, who is the sculptor of this piece?




Also, I'm wondering who is going to sculpt the ogre firebreather unit. Shieldwolf, do you have a sculptor in line for that yet?


Davide Tedeschi who has sculpted the Ogre Troopers has been commissioned to sculpt ALL regiments for the Ogres. Actually he's sculpting them as we speak. :-)
The Halfbreed was sculpted by both Sean Bullough and Davide Tedeschi, Sean was commissioned and although it was a very nice sculpt , we weren't pleased with the face and had Davide sculpt an alternative.(To be fair here, we we had only provided a detailed description to Sean and not concept artwork like the other 2 characters you've seen)
He's also going to be sculpting the Bull-riders once finished with the ones on foot (In order to save time, the Bulls have been commissioned to Olivier Bouchet, he's currently sculpting the Shieldmaiden Monstrous Beasts, then he'll move on to the Bulls. Before you ask, Patrick Keith is going to sculpt the Shieldmaiden riders).
All this must have been delivered by early June (it's their deadline) except for Patrick who has a bit more.
Before going into casting anything, we'll make sure they all Ogres share the same character :-)

@Prestor Jon @Mr Morden

We will not be using PVC no matter what. That's for sure. We stated Renedra, we have slots, we have plans, we have a Policy on quality we stick to. We prefer dropping a shield or two from the Shieldmaiden sprue and add the rest of the money from our pockets than going into that material. Just so I may not be misinterpreted, PVC may be decent but it's not that good (at least not today), maybe in a few years where technology has advanced a bit more...
The Shieldmaidens will 99% be pushed forward as the 1st plastic kit, we are still re-doing the math... :-)


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Post by: Trodax


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Davide Tedeschi who has sculpted the Ogre Troopers has been commissioned to sculpt ALL regiments for the Ogres. Actually he's sculpting them as we speak. :-)
The Halfbreed was sculpted by both Sean Bullough and Davide Tedeschi, Sean was commissioned and although it was a very nice sculpt , we weren't pleased with the face and had Davide sculpt an alternative.(To be fair here, we we had only provided a detailed description to Sean and not concept artwork like the other 2 characters you've seen)
He's also going to be sculpting the Bull-riders once finished with the ones on foot (In order to save time, the Bulls have been commissioned to Olivier Bouchet, he's currently sculpting the Shieldmaiden Monstrous Beasts, then he'll move on to the Bulls. Before you ask, Patrick Keith is going to sculpt the Shieldmaiden riders).
All this must have been delivered by early June (it's their deadline) except for Patrick who has a bit more.
Before going into casting anything, we'll make sure they all Ogres share the same character :-)

Thanks for that info, that's great! Davide Tedeschi seem to be doing some good work here then, I like his ogres, and its very nice to hear he'll be doing the firebreathers.


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Post by: heartserenade


 Azazelx wrote:
There's concept art for a character and a completed caster sculpt.


Oh yeah I saw that one. Will definitely be getting that Icemaiden.... for m Undead army. I'll be turning her into a necromancer!


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 heartserenade wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
There's concept art for a character and a completed caster sculpt.


Oh yeah I saw that one. Will definitely be getting that Icemaiden.... for m Undead army. I'll be turning her into a necromancer!


No. You won't. Trust me. You will be getting a model, but not the Icemaiden. We can place a bet if you like... ;-)


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Post by: heartserenade


I.... can always get them both? You can't have too many necromancers.

Because I think you mean you're making another woman necromancer.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hmmm.... "made" is a better term ;-)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OK, Shieldmaiden HIPS pushed way forward, let us know what your choise is on the prefered SG Map version!!!





(pics here are not well visible due to their size, they are very clear on update #14 of our campaign page...) :-/


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Post by: prankster


So, there's a new stretch goal map up, moving the first plastics much closer:



For those who missed it, there's also this picture of the Shieldmaidens. Spoliered due to being potentially unsuitable for work:

Spoiler:


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Post by: Mr Morden


Hmm nice pic - some odd poses - especially the lady with the trident type spear thingy?

Far right is good shield wall type

Can we have some in armour as well?

sooo this sort of thing would be awesome and a MUST buy for me at least - love that show............

Spoiler:



There may be a few more similar pics on the web


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Post by: GiraffeX


I agree with Mr Morden, the lass on the right is really nice and the Lord and Druid are excellent but the other three just turn me off.

Why do they have to have their kit out? Their cloths suggest they are from a cold climate so I was expecting more fur and armour rather than Amazons :(


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hi guys!

This was our take on the Northern Ladies :-) we believe to have created something nice, we cannot please everyone, that's for sure.
Before I continue with the pics, I'd like to note something that had slipped our attention, concerning one of the sculptors commissioned in our Team, MIKH.
Even after the "heads up" Grefven and a couple of others gave us, we still have him in our Team (we have even named him in our Kickstarter page) and believe in his sculpting abilities, however we don't mind about the comments about him being late, simply because he's NOT commissioned for the Kickstarter itself. He has been commissioned for something -which I can't reveal atm- to be done in February 2016... ;-)
If you have any questions about who will sculpt what, please ask, we are running a project and timelines MUST be met, we've done our best to ensure that and have things very clear in our heads.
I'll be briefly naming them here in open just to make it clear

-Paolo Fabiani is the sculptor of our Orc Characters and some of our Humans. He also sculpted the Great War Mammooth and is the one sculpting the Siberias Lions.
-Olivier Bouchet is sculpting the other 3 monstrous cavalry (bears, boars and bulls) along with some Humans.
-Davide Tedeschi is in charge of our Ogres, assisted a bit by Sean Bullough.
-Olivier Nkwetti has been commissioned to sculpt both Dragons and the 2 Northern Alliance riders.
-Patrick Keith is the head sculptor of the Northern Alliance Shieldmaiden Characters, assisted a bit by Paolo Fabiani. The Icemaiden Druid and Necromancer Maiden are his sculpts commissioned by us.

MIKH is a part of our Team and we are proud to have elevated our standards that high, thus we are also proud to name him. Hope this resolves the issue, we didn't dodge anything, we simply missed the comment about him and now that we've seen it wanted to chase away any clouds of doubt...

Now... for the 2 versions of the Shieldmaiden plastic kt.
Her's the first UNarmoured version (private parts can be covered in cloth if backers ask us to)



And here's the Armored version



So, let us know what you think, the comments in our Projects Update are really interesting so far :-)

Thank you.
Angelos.


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Post by: Mymearan


I like the designs (except a couple of the strange poses), but yeah, I agree that they look more like Amazons than Northern warriors.


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Post by: RiTides


I like the ideas, but think covering them in cloth would be smart / allow them to have more uses and thus more sales.


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Post by: overtyrant


I was hoping for a more 'Viking' feel, not 'Amazon' feel. I was looking forward to a Lagertha from Vikings look. Oh well as you say you can't please everyone, here's hoping the 5th race will get my attention..... If it's not to far down on the SG list.


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Post by: AlexHolker


Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?

Either of the two designs is fine on its own, but I think the armoured version is inadequate if it's going to be "the armoured version" if/when a second kit comes out. I would suggest making the unarmoured version with enough covered torsos to make a full unit, with a few extra topless torsos, and make the armored unit more along the lines of wolf armour in Skyrim.


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Post by: Mr Morden


overtyrant wrote:
I was hoping for a more 'Viking' feel, not 'Amazon' feel. I was looking forward to a Lagertha from Vikings look. Oh well as you say you can't please everyone, here's hoping the 5th race will get my attention..... If it's not to far down on the SG list.


Yeah Lagertha is def a major influence on what I was hoping for......

Are these the final scuplts or WIP?

The girl with the trident is very strange?


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Post by: Zywus


Must say that the 'armoured' versions don't look very different.

More like the unarmoured versions with a bit less revealing clothing.


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Post by: grefven


I like the design of these. And I even like the wierd poses; they remind me of Confrontation


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 AlexHolker wrote:
Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?


Because the Mountain Orc kit is a product that exists already, the Shieldmaiden kit needs the funding to be developed. I'm pretty sure no-one expected HIPS quality at 15$ x20 minis and that you'll agree with me that 24$ for 20minis (modular) isn't a bad deal, both backers and creator are happy that way... :-)

We have also pushed in front another stretch goal we had, that of the free sprue for each Beast with Howdah (currently only the Mammoth being unlocked). Actually we meant to have it after, but this means we are also giving a sprue of 4 Mountain Orcs with each Mammoth now.
We believe to be rational and offering a good deal, the Mammoth with Howdah is indeed going to have a retail price of 99euros once available to non-Kickstarter backers. And we find that's a very reasonable price. Hopefully when people get them in their hands, they'll confirm the amount of detail put into this...

(Also, if one considers a price of 15$ for a 25,000$ stretch goal, that means backers would have to buy something like 1.660 kits, whereas at 24$ it's a tad over 1,000$. Considering people wanting the Shieldmaidens might purchase 2-3 kits, that's 400-450 backers. It's doable!)


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Post by: Mr Morden




Any chance of some minis armoured in the same theme as this lady - thats what drew my attention to the faction.

Are they suppoed to be vikingesque or Chaos Warrior- esque - both are legit styles but have very different asthetics and appeal - at the moment it looks like the bust is Viking and the minis are Chaos Warrior?



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Post by: Mymearan


That bust is great, hope the plastic troops look something like it!


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


If the Shieldmaiden kit gets funded, we'll be showing the 3ups to people for the progress made via updates. We are not going to be pouring their money into something they will not like, in a crowdfunding project we believe it best we decide together. :-)

Thank you.
The Shieldwolf Team.


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Post by: primalexile


Viking style has far More appeal to me personally. I am backed only for maidens so hopefully they turn out nice.


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Post by: AlexHolker


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
Why are the Shieldmaidens more expensive than the Orcs?

Because the Mountain Orc kit is a product that exists already, the Shieldmaiden kit needs the funding to be developed. I'm pretty sure no-one expected HIPS quality at 15$ x20 minis and that you'll agree with me that 24$ for 20minis (modular) isn't a bad deal, both backers and creator are happy that way... :-)

The price differential isn't $9, it's $18 - there's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything. Besides, the fact that you are buying a kit sight unseen a year in advance isn't something one pays a premium for.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping; we have to sculpt the 3ups and make the moulds for this kit.
The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?
 AlexHolker wrote:
Besides, the fact that you are buying a kit sight unseen a year in advance isn't something one pays a premium for.

Well, we'lll have to agree to disagree on the fact 24$ for 20 (modular) minis is or isn't considered a premium, you say it is, we say it isn't. No beef here, to each his own :-)
As for the unseen kit, yes, I agree with you, it is unseen, I'm afraid however there isn't any other way. If we had produced the said kit to show off the plastics, we wouldn't be launching a KS. We would be selling as we speak at 32-35$, which is the aimed MSRP for this product. :-)


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Post by: scarletsquig


$24 for 20 is a good price, slightly less than Mantic.


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Post by: overtyrant


So what will the shieldmaidens look like? The concept art or the bust? Because if they have an actual Viking shieldmaiden look like the bust and not the scantily fur clad Amazon look I will buy a ton of them, if they get funded that is.


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I'm kinda concerned that you did not set a higher goal and lead with the girls. I think it may of hampered this campaign early on, still early days days though I suppose.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


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Post by: AlexHolker


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping;

You are charging $5-6 for shipping on 20 Orcs and $9-10 for shipping on 20 Shieldmaidens.

The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?

If I wanted to collect both orcs and infernals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I don't.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@AlexHolker

Point 1. On that point you are correct. But bear with me for a second. We divided shipping according to expected bulk of orders. (As I said, bear with me). We have calculated an "x" number of orders for only 1-2 models. We also calculated a "y" number of orders for something more costly.
If we charged 5-6$ for shipping plastic kits, the 36% cofunding of the P&P wouldn't suffice, both volume and weight augment.
If we charged 9-10$ for shipping, no-one would enter to purchase e.g. 1 Warrior Priest on Horse or anything similar.
So, when we did the math, we inevitably had a minority that would feel the shipping cost is not proportional. That's where your example fits in...

Point-2. I have no argument there other than that's what we can offer atm... :-)


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Post by: zirrian


 AlexHolker wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping;

You are charging $5-6 for shipping on 20 Orcs and $9-10 for shipping on 20 Shieldmaidens.

The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?

If I wanted to collect both orcs and infernals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I don't.


Okay, let me get one thing straight. They already HAVE the plastic orcs, probably in their warehouse in Greece. While they DON'T HAVE the shieldmaidens, as they need to be sculpted (which is money), the sculpts need modifications, if fans don't like them and ask for a change (which is money), they need to be sent to England to Renedra (which is money) OR personally delivered (which is money), Renedra needs to chop them up (which is money), make sprue layouts to make appropriate sprues for them (which is money), make the moulding machines (which is money), actually mould the minis (which is money), send them back to Greece (which is money), packaged into neat little cardboard boxes (which is money), and then they are at the same level as the orcs. See where I'm going with that?


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Post by: Mr Morden


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?


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Post by: corgan


 Mr Morden wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?


To be fair, I think that so far this Kickstarter is the exact opposite of secrecy. Every next move or plan is widely discussed with the community. Such openness and taking account of feedback, opinions and suggestions is not something to be seen often.


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Post by: Mr Morden


 corgan wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Overtyrant
In our game, the lords have heavy armor like the bust, unless they carry magical defences (amulets etc).
The rest are not so heavily armoured. We have said that we will be very faithful to the artwork shown, that was the reason we wanted people to click on the images and be transfered to our webshop page.
Obviously it was not communicated correclty and needless say we assume full responsability.

The goal has been reached, we have unlocked multiple items and we are 1000$ from unlocking the 2nd Dragon.
Early days indeed, we too had our moment of reflection but way too soon to judge. :-)

We are seriously considering revealing the 5th army on Monday, it can only do good we think, if we stall too much it may be of little or no value at all (and we've put our share of work on that too).

Still discussing it with our backers...


Ah well maybe there will be a heavy infantry unit in the future.........

I'd reveal it - not sure what you gain from secrecy tbh - if its cool I might buy it, if its secret I am def not speculativly bidding - Kickstarters are already a bit speculative - all my others are very late in actual delivery - average about 8-12 months...........

but that might just be me?


To be fair, I think that so far this Kickstarter is the exact opposite of secrecy. Every next move or plan is widely discussed with the community. Such openness and taking account of feedback, opinions and suggestions is not something to be seen often.


well the "5th army " is the secret bit- that was what I was refering to and not sure how it helps? If so what am I missing?


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Post by: grefven


Maybe they want to keep the army for another KS later on? And being able to show concepts and ideas, etc. will create some buzz on the communities to help push the KS onwards.


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Post by: Zywus


I would personally much prefer a more viking style clothed version of the shieldmaidens rather then the amazon style ones. If nothing else because conan-esque barbarians are common but more sensibly dressed marauder style figures are hard to find (this is true for both males and females actually).

I'm not presently in a situation where I can invest in any masses of models so there isn't much money to be gained from me . Although it might make more business sense to go for the more clothed look unless you have already started work on the models. It's to late to start to swish things up now.


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Post by: prankster


Well, I think there's arguments both ways for revealing things that are a long way off.

On the one hand, it could certainly drive more interest and backers, and therefore increase the funding. Where as, on the other hand, if it's a long way off people might not pledge at this stage if that's all they're after or people could pledge but then pull out later on if it looks like what they were after isn't going to happen.

As for the shieldmaidens. I have no strong feelings one way or another. Though from a sculpting / manufacturing point of view, getting the less armoured ones done first would potentially make it easier to add more armour later, saving time and money from a sculpting point of view. As an example, look at some of the alternate sculpts that Mierce have been releasing based off earlier figures.

However, from a funding point of view, the armoured versions are probably going to bring more people in. Not everyone wants to play with half naked figures, or has a group / location that will accommodate such figures on the table top.


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Post by: Azazelx


@Shieldwolf - you should put a link to the KS in your sig here. (and on any other forums you frequent).


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Post by: Zond


I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


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Post by: corgan


Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


This is a pity to hear...


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Post by: Azazelx


Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


Why's that?


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Post by: Yodhrin


 Azazelx wrote:
Zond wrote:
I like what I'm seeing however I'm wary of backing anything that's currently based in Greece.


Why's that?


It's because the right-wing British media have been throwing a massive hissy-fit since Greece elected a left-of-centre government, and a lot of folk here have bought into the propaganda that Greece is now somehow a threat to the global economy or somesuch nonsense.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/15 13:43:13


Post by: RiTides


Let's end the political discussion there and keep discussing miniatures - Thanks!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/15 14:29:53


Post by: Zond


Damn. I'm simply naturally cautious regarding ongoing political matters. I don't believe in any way that things are about to collapse or that Greece will leave the Euro. I just want to wait until the end of next week when negotiations have concluded.

Interested in the big sexy lion riders particularly.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/15 21:42:39


Post by: HisDivineShadow


 AlexHolker wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
There's no reason why the Shieldmaiden kit should cost almost twice as much to ship, nor should you have to buy an extra $6 worth of coins you can't spend on anything.
On the contrary, there is. It's not a question about producing+packaging+shipping;

You are charging $5-6 for shipping on 20 Orcs and $9-10 for shipping on 20 Shieldmaidens.

The additional $6? Well, we have offered some minis at 2 gold coin cost (=6$), and the backer would be receiving an Infernal Assaulter's Hero too. True, he/she doesn't get to pick from a huge variety but that would bring the cost down to $3 each of the additional minis. Is that so bad?

If I wanted to collect both orcs and infernals, that wouldn't be so bad. But I don't.



It could be a penny per mini and free shipping, Alex, and you'd still find a reason to complain.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 05:15:28


Post by: AlexHolker


 HisDivineShadow wrote:
It could be a penny per mini and free shipping, Alex, and you'd still find a reason to complain.

Do you honestly believe that making idiotic gak up like this improves your argument?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 09:23:09


Post by: zirrian


 AlexHolker wrote:
 HisDivineShadow wrote:
It could be a penny per mini and free shipping, Alex, and you'd still find a reason to complain.

Do you honestly believe that making idiotic gak up like this improves your argument?


Based on your posts on this and other forums, it perfectly does.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 15:55:38


Post by: zirrian


I really like this. More powers to gobbos!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:06:31


Post by: overtyrant


So the super secret race are goblins.... Not so sure what's so secret about goblins....


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:14:08


Post by: Mr Morden


overtyrant wrote:
So the super secret race are goblins.... Not so sure what's so secret about goblins....


They sneak up behind you and stab you? Especially Ninja Goblins


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:22:04


Post by: Alpharius


overtyrant wrote:
So the super secret race are goblins.... Not so sure what's so secret about goblins....


I have to agree - this is a bit of a letdown.

Ain't no way Highlords are gonna Highlord over this announcement!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:29:07


Post by: BeAfraid


They claim to be "Innovative?"

They look like they are producing pretty much the same Baroque Warhammer Styled, overly muscled, exaggerated anatomical structured miniatures that almost everyone else is producing these days.

Their miniatures look really good.

But I would think "Innovative" would be to produce something that was actually more realistic given the trends in the miniature's industry right now.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:42:18


Post by: Mr Morden


They may be wearing kilts - so Scottish goblins?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:47:12


Post by: RiTides


I think that gobbo looks awesome!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 16:52:42


Post by: Alpharius


It does, but I'm not so sure it is going to really move the needle, so to speak.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 17:13:39


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Ain't going to be much to highlord it up for when Shieldwolf already said their Dracantopii weren't one of the races for this campaign.

Goblins look nice though.

Look like they mean to fight rather than muck about all over the battlefield.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 17:30:51


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The goblins are pretty standard looking to me. There's nothing that makes them Shieldwolf Goblins as opposed to just goblins. Now, if the goblins were half-naked and sexualized with bizarre French comics poses, they might have something worth talking about.


Or if the shield maidens looked like warriors.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 19:04:27


Post by: grefven


I agree that both the orcs and the goblins look pretty standard (and by standard I mean like GW). However, they do look really good, so I ain't got a problem with that.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 20:20:05


Post by: RivenSkull


I'm probably going to drop out of this one and wait for retail. I really have no need for any of the armies to the point that I can't wait a year for them.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 22:50:35


Post by: overtyrant


Sadly this campaign has been an anti climax for me. The build up and communication were fantastic, I was disappointed about the ogres because of the material choice but was still excited for the shieldmaidens and 'the 5th race'. I kept on reloading the KS page waiting for it to go live and was confronted with ogres that I feel were expensive (but I had lost interest in them as I thought they would be expensive) and a bunch of heroes and a monster, where were the plastic kits?? I know the kits need the funding but where was the concept art renders etc, people would be pledging mainly for these kits as you can get so many heroes on the market already. I do not like coin systems for prices, just put the price on it! Then the shieldmaidens were brought forward due to popular demand and the concept art was nothing like the fantastic bust that was shown and look more like amazon's then an effective shield bearing fighter. OK there still is the 5th race, it must be something new and amazing to be such a secret.... but it is goblins..... It felt like the time when Mantic revealed there 8th race (I think it was that) really??? Shieldwolf have some outstanding miniature sets and I've half a mind to pledge to get those half price orcs to use as demons in KoW or something. I still sincerely hope this campaign does really well and blows my suspicions of how this will go out of the water....


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/16 23:02:08


Post by: heartserenade


Well maybe they're also thinking about cross compatibility: you can buy these orcs and goblins and add it up to your existing orcs and goblins collection and they won't look like they don't belong? I know 2-3 people who, despite like Mantic's orcs, didn't want to buy any because they'll look funny if mixed with their Orc army. I also like the Mantic orcs but I want to add some variety to them, but I can't since no kit outside of Mantic is compatible with their look.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 05:10:12


Post by: Gallahad


 zirrian wrote:
 AlexHolker wrote:
 HisDivineShadow wrote:
It could be a penny per mini and free shipping, Alex, and you'd still find a reason to complain.

Do you honestly believe that making idiotic gak up like this improves your argument?


Based on your posts on this and other forums, it perfectly does.


Funny, and true.


Back to the campaign-

I still have my fingers crossed for this campaign. I like the goblins. They look malicious and fun to paint. I think the campaign has lost a little bit of steam, but this may be the case of a "deliver first on this small stuff, and we will back you big later." They certainly had some headwinds; leading with pretty expensive ogres after hyping real plastic so much and launching immediately after the great nerd tax of the Conan "Never going to be on-time" campaign got charged to cards everywhere, and showing up right before what seems to be the final curtain call for Warhammer fantasy all contributed.

I think they realize this, and are incredibly open to feedback. If enough people say something, they will change the shieldmaidens to look like Lagetha clones. I know they put a lot of their own money into this, and I sincerely hope that this campaign doesn't put them in the red or jeopardize their future. They are absolutely stand up guys and deserve to do well. This campaign basically has next to no chance of being late, and they seem willing to bend over backwards to make backers happy. I would bet money that they will have regular updates and won't disappear into the mists like so many that work dakkadakka for a month or two and then disappear post campaign.

Also, those lions are absolutely awesome. I won't get the ones with riders since I plan to use them with elves, but man oh man are those fantastic sculpts. They have lots of nice paintjobs on the minis they are showing as well. That is a definite bonus, and will pay dividends long term for their products.

Regarding "innovative" etc. I wish they would just drop that as a marketing line. It causes more trouble than it is worth with every third person chiming in to say how when you boil down everything Shieldwolf does it isn't really "new." Ex. "Your orcs are bipeds! I'm so tired of all fantasy races being bipeds. Bipedal orcs is hardly innovative, GW has had bipedal orcs for years!" I don't want blob men unicorns or whatever would pass as innovative in fantasy these days. I want fresh takes on old favorites, preferably with some new fantasy things in plastic. There is innovative in design, and innovative in material/execution. I think shieldwolf' is mostly in the latter category, and I'm fine with that.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 08:08:35


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Good morning everyone!

So, first of all thank you all for commenting and any feedback you leave, it's all greatly appreciated, without exceptions nor irony! ;-)
Second we'd like to address a few things, then we'll go away limiting ourselves to watching till the project has ended, there is no sense in saying much more, what we've done is there for you to see and this is still a very LIVE project to us :-)

As you all know this is our first campaign. We overcalculated some things, we undercalculated some others.
We still believe that the value of the minis (especailly the Ogres) is not high, regardless of what it may seem. Resin costs, these are bulkier/larger/heavier minis, we had calculated freebie upgrade command kits, freebie Champions etc. The value was there, the numbers however haven't (and is a good chance they won't) make it there for it to be obvious.

Starting off with plastics? Sure, next time we might. As newcomers, coming out and asking for 30,35, even 40,000$, without any Kickstarter history and for funding 1(!) kit (which would've been the Shieldmaiden being the most popular, agreed), that was NOT going to happen. Maybe with an avalanche of more stuff on the sidelines, that would however have a good chance. It's still hasn't proven us right. We meant to keep all plastic regiments within a 25K stretch goal, including commands, in order to do so, according to our math, we needed an "x" number of pledges however. Which should've come partially from the 700 voters on our survey, from which we got something like 15% however... :-(

Innovation.
Yes, a large topic, wouldn't know where to start from. Let's do so from the Goblins. Oh well, goblins, nothing new, still small, still green. :-)
Well, goblins couldn't be 10 feet tall, on the other hand, when we immagine goblins we see these malicious and extremely cunning small guys.
Our goblins are warriors, they seek close combat and overcome with numbers and speed. Our goblins are master-engineers (real pity we will probably never see their warmachines we had planned for them in this campaign). Our goblins are mercenaries and unlike what we know from other manufacturers, they do not join Orcs, on the contrary they hate and despise them. Should our goblins be red? Nah, we prefer them green :-) Should our goblins be like everyone's else dumb midgets? No. Should they instead have awesome warmahinery and fast skirmish units with extremely high leadership value? Yes!
Well, to us that was innovative. :-) I'm sorry if we didn't convince people, we never set out to reinvent the wheel.

Timing.
Conan writing history certainly didn't help, lol! Mantic Games being supported a 2nd time for their KoW project with another 350K 3 months before us showing up, again, didn't help. Mierce ending their campaign just 1 day before us showing up on our pre-announced date (wonder why?) certainly didn't help either.
Regardless we do not blame others for the fact our plastics still haven't funded, just wanted to be clear on this. Something will always come in front of you, we couldn't calculate that and must keep on lookin at our own bussiness practices. Warhammer 'dying' may on the contrary be on our favor. That would leave Shieldwolf and Mantic with the field "open". But we very much doubt that Citadel miniatures would abbandon the table-top fantasy wargaming, we are pretty sure on the contrary they still have lots to offer to the Community and their game. (no sarcasm, this is only my opinion)

Choice of races.
Azazel pinpointed and hit the nail right in the head. We wanted to finish with our Orcs, then plunge at the more enticing Shieldmaidens, whose dual kit should've caused people to pledge really well (and not 1(!) box as Alex said earlier, if people are supporting plastics they don't go for 1 box, especially when they have to wait for it 1 whole year...). The 100K seemed a long way off, and we didn't want to create "fake" stretch goals in order to fund these first, collect the necessary funds later. We refuse to play that game.

Fulfillment.
Although the project is a long way off still (23 days left), we are pretty confident we will meet our deadlines as initially calculated. We think we'll prove Gallahad right, dropping off the radar is not something one does if he/she ever wants to really grow. I mean, grow a lot!

Economic status.
I find it funny to address this, but oh well... All these finished sculpts (many of which painted) and ready to be put into retail, along with all the current funds that we had reserved to cofund plastic regiments... And on top of that, we are still in easy postiion not to have to put our 7(!)resin regiments in production and trying to stick to HIPS. Yap, future still looks bright from where we stand. :-D

Gold coin system.
We thought it fun, it proves the opposite. We said so in the Reaper forum, if we could turn back time we would. Unfortunately we cannot, and gold coins it remains... :-)

Hope I answered everyone, if not I didn't do it on purpose. Back to our campaign and let's see if the additional banners are going to help as much as we want them to! We still have a live campaign in order to fund at least 1 plastic kit... :-)

Thank you all for reading, appreciate your support!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 09:34:47


Post by: Pete Melvin


As far as first time campaigns go, ive seen worse. Much MUCH worse. Youve made mistakes, sure, who doesnt. I have no doubt that once this one is done and dusted, and when everyone gets their minis ( on time and with a minimum of Kickstarter drama...right?) Im sure people would be happy to back your future products and projects.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 15:41:38


Post by: skarsol


More goblins are as meh to me as more orcs. If you asked me what miniatures the market needed more of, those two would be at the bottom of my list. I know some people get super crazy over them though, so hopefully they get some action from them.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 16:23:56


Post by: RiTides


I finally got a chance to look at the campaign page more closely, and actually the deals (especially buying heroes, like the existing orc ones) seem pretty good.

I've put in a small pledge for now, but just a quick question: does even the tiny pouch ($15 pledge plus shipping) get this model free:



Plus the free gold coin unlocked at $17K? So, 6 gold coins for the tiny pouch... meaning I could select 3 existing orc heroes? I'll likely go for the goblin hero with great weapon once it unlocks, but the orc heroes look great, too. Or maybe 5 coins for the Ogre halfbreed.

But basically, this looks like a fine deal to me. I know people are hoping for regiments, but the heroes are pretty cool and a good deal, imo. Let me know if I'm off about anything above, though, particularly the free figure / free coin!



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 18:56:26


Post by: Mr Morden


Ok so she did catch my attention! and got me thinking about bidding again.



Whilst I like my Viking women armoured - or at least some of them - she is great as a necromancer.......and some of the add ons are tempting - just need to work out shipping etc.........


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 20:30:43


Post by: zirrian


Thank god Shieldwolf gave the work of sculpting women miniatures to a sculptor who can actually sculpt good looking female miniatures.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 20:42:27


Post by: MattW


I'm another that was interested in this kickstarter before it happened, but I just don't like the current look of the shieldmaidens. I'd love for them to look like the bust- the 'Lagertha' look.

The other thing is that this is supposed to be a mass battles game, and so far there's only characters and a few units that you'd use in relatively small numbers. I can completely understand that there are some commercial realities that prevent you from finding plastics straight off the bat, but I feel that the campaign might have started better had the plastics been not so far away. I think that keeping the stretch goals a secret was also a bit of a two-edged sword; I think people might be reluctant to commit to a campaign when they don't know where the minis that they want are scheduled. Anyway...

I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes. I'm going to get on at a low level and see what happens.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/17 23:58:35


Post by: heartserenade


The necromancer looks nice, but I like the pose of the Ice Maiden better! I might still be getting both, though.

Do you have painters slotted already to paint those figures?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/18 04:51:39


Post by: Gallahad


 RiTides wrote:
I finally got a chance to look at the campaign page more closely, and actually the deals (especially buying heroes, like the existing orc ones) seem pretty good.



They are some of the best deals I have seen on high quality resin miniatures. The discount off of their HIPS Mountain Orcs is also fantastic. I'm trying to decide whether I go for three or four boxes of those plastic orcs at that price.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/18 07:22:15


Post by: zirrian


 Gallahad wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
I finally got a chance to look at the campaign page more closely, and actually the deals (especially buying heroes, like the existing orc ones) seem pretty good.



They are some of the best deals I have seen on high quality resin miniatures. The discount off of their HIPS Mountain Orcs is also fantastic. I'm trying to decide whether I go for three or four boxes of those plastic orcs at that price.


No need to resist. Four boxes of them are the EXACT amount you need. Maybe more


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/18 10:02:47


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Spoiler:
 RiTides wrote:
I finally got a chance to look at the campaign page more closely, and actually the deals (especially buying heroes, like the existing orc ones) seem pretty good.

I've put in a small pledge for now, but just a quick question: does even the tiny pouch ($15 pledge plus shipping) get this model free:



Plus the free gold coin unlocked at $17K? So, 6 gold coins for the tiny pouch... meaning I could select 3 existing orc heroes? I'll likely go for the goblin hero with great weapon once it unlocks, but the orc heroes look great, too. Or maybe 5 coins for the Ogre halfbreed.

But basically, this looks like a fine deal to me. I know people are hoping for regiments, but the heroes are pretty cool and a good deal, imo. Let me know if I'm off about anything above, though, particularly the free figure / free coin!


ALL pledges/backers are entitled to the free miniature illustrated above. The free coin is for all pledges/backers with the Citizen's pouch and up.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/18 12:34:38


Post by: RiTides


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Spoiler:
 RiTides wrote:
I finally got a chance to look at the campaign page more closely, and actually the deals (especially buying heroes, like the existing orc ones) seem pretty good.

I've put in a small pledge for now, but just a quick question: does even the tiny pouch ($15 pledge plus shipping) get this model free:



Plus the free gold coin unlocked at $17K? So, 6 gold coins for the tiny pouch... meaning I could select 3 existing orc heroes? I'll likely go for the goblin hero with great weapon once it unlocks, but the orc heroes look great, too. Or maybe 5 coins for the Ogre halfbreed.

But basically, this looks like a fine deal to me. I know people are hoping for regiments, but the heroes are pretty cool and a good deal, imo. Let me know if I'm off about anything above, though, particularly the free figure / free coin!


ALL pledges/backers are entitled to the free miniature illustrated above. The free coin is for all pledges/backers with the Citizen's pouch and up.

Got it, thanks



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/20 10:21:07


Post by: Azazelx


They've added a new Pledge Level:

Orc Wyvern, Rider, 40 HIPS Mountain Orcs and 30 of their coins ($90 worth of KS-discount priced a la carte product), plus all freebies for $200 inc post. It works out to slightly better value than their EBs and is obviously aimed at Orc players, since there's enough stuff there to start a basic army for WHFB/KoW or whichever other army people are interested in.

I'm tempted. I already have a lot of orcs, but I've got a Necromancer (undead) pledge since my wife is a big fan of undead.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/21 13:20:11


Post by: Pete Melvin


Well I've upped to an Orc pouch (ooh err missus), primarily because I love Orcs. It means free shipping as well (thus more minis).
Theyve also said we can pay for shipping if we want the stuff thats already produced now, rather than wait to get everything at once. Which I will


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/21 19:45:24


Post by: Gallahad


Yeah, I am pretty tempted to pay the shipping and just get boxes and boxes of those orcs delivered early.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/25 04:10:54


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Pete Melvin @Gallahad
We can easily do that since we always try keeping stuff in our store.

In the meanwhile, 2 weeks to go and running through the hard phase of our campaign it seems :-)





Ah... and we got some 54mm scale Dragons showing up, reserved mostly for painters... ;-)





Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/27 17:35:26


Post by: corgan


I found this video presenting the Siberias lion rider A. I have to have this lion
It looks a really interesting model to paint! Congratulations for such quality Shieldwolf. I am really impressed!!!




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/28 03:58:34


Post by: primalexile


I was really hoping this would of taken off...

Does anyone own any of their Orc warriors? I would love to read a review.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/28 04:27:25


Post by: Alpharius


I guess No Shieldmaidens = No more money?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/28 05:30:57


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Alpharius wrote:
I guess No Shieldmaidens = No more money?



Pretty much. I know that's why I came to the party.


The overly Raging concept art didn't seem to go over well, either.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I hope it funds, though, because Shieldwolf's plastic orcs are great quality and I would love to have some more kits like them. Kits that are not orcs or goblins.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/28 15:50:36


Post by: primalexile


I was really hoping for the chain mail style Sisters myself similar to the bust. Hopefully they relaunch after gathering feedback with a higher funding goal and go straight for ShielMaidens.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/02/28 17:57:18


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 primalexile wrote:
I was really hoping for the chain mail style Sisters myself similar to the bust. Hopefully they relaunch after gathering feedback with a higher funding goal and go straight for ShielMaidens.


We have learned a lot during this excursion of ours, any relaunch would however take place only if we have delivered first to all of our backers. That's what we said and that's what we intend to do.
Not only that but we still have a lot to learn during the completion of the campaign, for us it doesn't finish on the 12th of March, quite the opposite!
In a future campaign we will first launch with the plastic kit -like you said-, and our waves are not going to be evenly spread throughout the campaign (which -although too soon to judge- we believe is one of the reasons we haven't reached some targets we believed extremely reachable and enticing).

We still have 12 days for this campaign. The most important thing is that the better this campaign goes, the lower the funding goal becomes for the plastics in a future project, the collected funds are still mainly oriented for this... ;-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/01 19:40:46


Post by: NAVARRO


I really like that hero!
Will it be available at Salute?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/01 19:46:11


Post by: Mr Morden


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 primalexile wrote:
I was really hoping for the chain mail style Sisters myself similar to the bust. Hopefully they relaunch after gathering feedback with a higher funding goal and go straight for ShielMaidens.


We have learned a lot during this excursion of ours, any relaunch would however take place only if we have delivered first to all of our backers. That's what we said and that's what we intend to do.
Not only that but we still have a lot to learn during the completion of the campaign, for us it doesn't finish on the 12th of March, quite the opposite!
In a future campaign we will first launch with the plastic kit -like you said-, and our waves are not going to be evenly spread throughout the campaign (which -although too soon to judge- we believe is one of the reasons we haven't reached some targets we believed extremely reachable and enticing).

We still have 12 days for this campaign. The most important thing is that the better this campaign goes, the lower the funding goal becomes for the plastics in a future project, the collected funds are still mainly oriented for this... ;-)


Thank you for your feedback and for communication - I do wish you all the very best even though you are not (yet) producing what i want - but I look forward to giving you money when you do


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/02 18:41:49


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 NAVARRO wrote:
I really like that hero!
Thank you! :-)
 NAVARRO wrote:
Will it be available at Salute?

Negative. It's going to be delivered to our backers first (as we stand probably this September).
Only after everything has been delivered -and by everything, we mean everything-, will it be available for retail sale via our webshop and our distributors. The augmented range we have created witht this Kickstarter and some of the items that are unique/very rare to find at this scale (like our 2-headed Dragon and the War Mammoth), may make it more welcoming to new retailers, we already have had contact with 2 USA distributors and we are looking forward to expand our network.
We are still lacking an Australian/New Zealand distributor which makes things harder, hopefully we'll come to agreement with someone before 2015 ends.

@Mr Morden
Thank you, we are trying our best :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/03 04:30:21


Post by: Micky


Grabbed the one remaining Necromancer pledge, because cool undead even if they are resin. Looking damn good and keen to see what else you guys come up with.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/03 04:58:03


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


That Necromancer was my pledge unfortunately.

We've been having leak issues in our kitchen ceiling. Ends up there's a crack in the sheeting under the roof above the kitchen.

Long story short, the guy is coming out tomorrow and I've got a bill a bit larger than a necromancer pledge, so I had to do a bit of downsizing.

At least I can still pledge for a few heroes!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/05 13:28:25


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Final week and we got some rather sweet surprises coming up -probably revealed Saturday night... :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 14:09:14


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Final 3 days, the last stretch reveals the Ogre Champion freebie, we like the character we've given to our Ogres and think we've made them really unique. We hope you like him just as much!
We hope to have completed the entire Talliareum Ogre army before 2015 ends, so, lots to do still!
In some 60-70 hours the project ends, and with it commences the marathon to deliver ASAP and relaunch by pitching off with the much awaited plastics. We'll keep you updated! :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 14:20:10


Post by: dubovac


Ogres are looking great and I really like paint scheme artist picked up.
I was wondering why didnt you do more advertising here on Dakka. Update posts were few and between so maybe missed chance here also.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 18:34:06


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


dubovac wrote:
Ogres are looking great and I really like paint scheme artist picked up.

Thanks, we too like it a lot and look forward to seeing the rest of the army painted like that :-)
dubovac wrote:
I was wondering why didnt you do more advertising here on Dakka. Update posts were few and between so maybe missed chance here also.

Actually we commited a number of rookie mistakes, we did however have good support from the Dakkadakka forum for which we are grateful. We also have a banner here, although the support came mainly from the monitoring of this thread. The banner was the least we could do.

We still have around 70 hours left on our campaign, but we feel we got severely penalized from the timing of the campaign, probably couldn't have been worse :-(
We are determined to prove everyone right after this project ends and with the accumulated experience push forward into what we consider a needed and deserved chance for the huge plan we have set in motion. We definitely know what our limits are and will keep respecting them in any future project. The future seems very promising! :-)

PS. We have also been penalized from the fact various forums/websites from whom we seeked advertisment either never answered our emails, or proceeded in a very slow manner when it was however too late, something that certainly didn't help us nor the hobby. Even now we expect more exposure but don't seem to be getting any :-(
On the other hand other websites seemed to be very interested in providing exposure for us, even if they had never posted something on our behalf. That was a very pleasant surprise which we must certainly coltivate! :-)
That's even more experience for us however in general since in the future we will proceed in booking the needed banners quite some time earlier, exposure is much needed for a project of our size and we feel strange in how some things evolved...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 20:38:23


Post by: RiTides


Do you think this first campaign may fulfill faster than predicted since the plastic injection molded infantry won't be in?

Regardless, I'm looking forward to getting that ogre half-breed!



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 20:57:54


Post by: dubovac


Well I dont think you failed badly with your campaign, consider this as a testing kickstarter. After all you managed to unlock quite few interesting kits although main "down point" for me was 5th army. I know everyone loves Goblins and they can be quite fun project but market is overflooded with greenskins these days (only bigger "mistake" could be if you decided to put WW2 orks and goblins inside ;D ).
And for the next kickstarter put more updates here on dakka in your "free" topic, this one kept falling to the bottom of the page or dreaded second page that noone is looking .
And keep conversion values out of next project some people get itch just from mentioning coins, tickets or some other imaginary value
Either way hopefully next one is around corner and I am eagerly waiting for it.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 21:12:08


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@RiTides
Estimated new date of delivery is 3 months earlier, thus September 2015, which might also be the month the follow-up KS may take place. We have already communicated with both concept artists to provide a 3rd and final chainmail version, while we plan to have at least a couple of renders done before the campaign. We must first have the voting results however.

We are also going to offer an "Early wave" to all those backers who are willing to pay for the additional shipping. Those are to be dispatched within 45 days from the end of the campaign.
(If everything goes according to plan obviously, we have finished the molds on the Mammooths and are currently creating those of the Talliareum characters)

@dubovac
Even if we haven't finished yet, we think the campaign was a success. We did have much higher expectations (never hid that), but all in all we can aspire that the next one will top this many times over :-)
As for the goblins, there are plenty out there, yes. We are not pleased with any of these however, we mean to produce the best ever ;-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/09 23:32:17


Post by: Azazelx


Will you be allowing people to "pledge manage" additional funds onto their existing pledge? I can't afford as much stuff as I'd like to get (big beasties) and would like to add on some more after a couple more paydays.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/10 10:18:05


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 Azazelx wrote:
Will you be allowing people to "pledge manage" additional funds onto their existing pledge? I can't afford as much stuff as I'd like to get (big beasties) and would like to add on some more after a couple more paydays.


We will allow everyone who has pledged to upgrade their reward selection and we will exclude everyone else in order to both honor the backers who stayed aboard and speed the general fulfillment of the project.
Early wave will be processed as soon as the Pledge Manager has been compiled and send back to us from everyone. It is ready and will be sent out the same day our US collaborator sends us the list we have asked for.
We will probably make it available to pledgers however sooner in order for them to calculate easier their rewards :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 19:03:19


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Final day and final hours, we are going to be posting one last update, one of the things people liked the most it seems...
:-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 19:59:05


Post by: Apple fox


I realy hope to see another kickstarter for the sheild maiden infantry, I was keen for them. In the end my pledge is probably for a 1/10 of what it could have been :( but I may pledge for some lions before the end.

Still looking forward to what was funded here


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 20:11:43


Post by: Trodax


Aye, last 24 hours on the campaign, I'm hoping you guys get a little boost at the end here. The significant backslide during the last week might make this feel like a failure, but I really don't think it is. I believe the campaign was simply too ambitious, with too many goals, and people that were pledging for some of those goals dropped out or lowered their pledges when it became apparent that what they were pledging for wouldn't be achieved this time around. Work hard and deliver this one and you'll be in a good position for a follow-up I think!

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the stuff on offer here; adding in the items from your existing range gave some nice diversity. I'm in for the ogres (I think they look great, and the addition of the pig-carrying champion makes the unit a nice deal I think). I'll also be grabbing the set of djinns and the plastic orcs, plus a few of the orc characters, they are brutal little beasts.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 20:23:38


Post by: Alpharius


Yeah, there's definitely some lessons to be learned in here:




Anyone remember when it became apparent that 1) The Shieldmaidens were less Lagertha than most wanted and 2) That Plastic Shiledmaidens weren't happening at all?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 21:13:13


Post by: Azazelx


Honestly, there were a few major problems with the campaign, aside from timing. Here are some quick thoughts:

Funny money

Too many armies. Way too many armies. Go for one army in a KS. Two at most - ideally a "frenemy" faction that can either ally with or fight against the first one. But have most units for the main faction. Certainly not 4 or 5 armies.

"Early Bird" pledges weren't actually early bird versions of anything. So what were you saving money from? - with no "normal" version of a $200 pledge. Why was it an "Early Bird"?

Need a "sweet spot" pledge at $100, and a "sweeter spot" at $150. Shipping included.

Shipping as an add-on - particularly for US backers, rather than incorporated into the pledge price at each level.

Shieldmaiden concept not set in stone enough. Leading to endless arguments between those who wanted half-naked, exposed breast warriors and those who wanted Lagertha. Opening that up for debate in the middle of the KS is only going to create issues and divisiveness. My advice - go for both eventually, but pick one and get it tooled in plastic first and do the other later. And don't tell everyone that you'll do the other later unless you want a ton of people not pledging and instead waiting until the next KS


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/11 23:36:58


Post by: RivenSkull


Around the 23rd. At the same time that it was revealed that it was Goblins that were the 5th faction.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/12 20:43:03


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Yep. A lot of mistakes and a lot of hiccups, bad timing certainly didn't help, we now however have 190 wonderful people to deliver to so task has been set and we are looking forward to acing this!

We will certainly not drop off the radar nor show up only once every couple of months, these are project creators we make fun of and we mean to maintain our level of communication exactly like the one we introduced. We have a good name and we mean to keep it.

Thank you all and hopefully next time it will be even bigger! :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/12 21:34:43


Post by: dubovac


Congrats for your first campaign, eagerly awaiting second one.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/14 10:52:12


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


dubovac wrote:
Congrats for your first campaign, eagerly awaiting second one.


Thanks! :-)
Now that the campaign is finished we are setting/straightening out the plan for the remaining of the year -actually we are doing it over this weekend!
2nd KS should easily hit within 2015, but only after we deliver everything to everyone. It's immature/irresonsible launching any follow-up campaign without having completed the previous first. Hopefully backers will agree with us and support this type of policy.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/17 01:07:31


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


OK, we cannot lose time waiting for the funds to be released so pledge manager is ready and already sent to more than half of our backers, should have completed sending it to everyone by the end of the week!

Almost one month to compile and submit it, in the meanwhile for anything needed simply shoot us a pm on the KS, we are there to assist you!

Thank you all! :-)

(going to bed, 03.20 am here... )
'-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/17 02:58:32


Post by: RiTides


Got it, sent it back . Is the half blood champion one of the minis that is already ready? I didn't quite get if we would have to pay extra shipping if all our stuff is ready, since that's all I'm in for? He was 5 coins already so I likely won't add extra, just curious when to expect him.

I'm pleased with how this campaign turned out, hopefully fulfillment goes really smoothly and then on to regiments in the future!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/17 05:31:26


Post by: Gallahad


I think the only stuff that is "ready" are things that are already available in their store. All of the stuff unlocked in this campaign won't ship until September. Resin pouring is pretty labor intensive (as I am sure you know much better than I), and I don't think they have started production yet on most of the minis unlocked during the campaign.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/17 12:19:06


Post by: RiTides


I think you're right Gallahad, although since this stayed at a manageable size I'm hoping it fulfills a little sooner than Sept - if nothing else, so that they can embark on a new project / regiments!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/17 14:57:22


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@RiTides Actually the prevision was for December but due to the smaller size it reached, we think September is very doable. :-)
We are working on both recent and future campaign contemporanesouly, but under no way/reason/treaty/magic/alien invasion will we prioritize the follow-up campaign in the expenses of this one.

@Gallahad Yep, all correct! We are first going to do the molds and then start production, it speeds things up much more...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/26 21:40:16


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Pledge Manager (PM) submissions almost completed! :-)

We are only missing 22 backers who haven't submitted their PMs, that's 88,4% completed in less than 2 weeks from the end of our Kickstarter! in the meanwhile we have more than enough material to fulfill most people's rewards! :B):
We are working on our next update, we believe by late Sunday night we will have finished with everyone interested in Early Wave shipping and Tuesday-Wednesday we will start sending messages to inform on the shipping costs and confirm splitting orders.
The empty pockets pledges will also have their freebies sent in the early wave, our casting Team is working on those as we speak! :-D

In the meanwhile here's a peak on the WiP probably from the best twin-headed Dragon in 28mm scale world wide!



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/27 02:47:53


Post by: Azazelx


I'm one of those who hasn't submitted it yet and am in no hurry to do so at this stage. I'm waiting on some more WIP pics/renders of the unlocked stuff.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/28 05:38:58


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Well, we are still around 20 PM's short so we will probably leave these be for now, we are looking forward to wrapping up the "Early Wave" shipping so we may proceed with the bulk of the pledges.

:-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/28 23:20:43


Post by: Azazelx


All good. I still haven't assembled (let alone painted) the stuff I got from you guys last time. I have started on the Mountain Orc hero, though.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/29 03:49:28


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


The mountain Orc hero was the free resin I got with my plastic mountain orcs, right?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/03/30 03:14:05


Post by: Azazelx


There were a few different ones. I got one with two swords leaping forward like Wolverine.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/07 18:35:00


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Only 7 backers left, we will complete mailing the "Early Wave" the day after tomorrow.
I will upload a couple of pics later on to keep the dakka thread updated also, we will be needing your votes for the Shieldmaiden plastic kit that will pitch the 2nd KS...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/09 23:16:01


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


It took us 28 days to mail the first batch of stuff to 14 different countries! Yep, goodies are on their way to all of you wonderful supporters! :-)




In the meanwhile we are working on the plastic kit of the Shieldmaidens, we mean to have things sculpted before launching the 2nd KS, so please vote here!

https://www.wedgies.com/question/5526f876d9425307000026c5

We have created 4 versions, if 2 of them are VERY close to each other, then we will pitch with the first and if things climb we will immediately go for the 2nd also!



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 00:08:31


Post by: AlexHolker


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
We have created 4 versions, if 2 of them are VERY close to each other, then we will pitch with the first and if things climb we will immediately go for the 2nd also!

The four concepts are too close together to warrant two kits, I think. I would suggest making the second kit a full blown heavy armour kit.

[Thumb - Heavy Armour example.jpg]


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 02:07:39


Post by: willb2064


Not sure what the background is of the shieldmaidens, but they look like a barbarian horde, so couldn't a mix of all 4 concepts be on the same sprue? I'd assume there would be 5 heads, 5 legs and 5 torsos on the sprue, so would there be room to add variety? The concepts are so close that it looks like it could be a single kit to me.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 05:12:12


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


willb2064 wrote:
Not sure what the background is of the shieldmaidens, but they look like a barbarian horde, so couldn't a mix of all 4 concepts be on the same sprue?

We posted some material during our KS, among which a "rough" copy of their history, some 10-12 pages IIRC.
You can have a look here :-)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/shieldwolf-war-is-coming/posts/1139612
willb2064 wrote:

I'd assume there would be 5 heads, 5 legs and 5 torsos on the sprue, so would there be room to add variety?

Negative, the sprues we have planned will have 4 torsos+legs, 10-12 heads, 5-6 shields, weaponry. This will be funded at 20K, we find this more than reasonable given the rest is cofunded by us.
If funding reaches higher, we will add 2 more torsos+legs, 2 more shields and more weaponry.
If we hit another 10K, we will add a Command sprue. If we hit an additional 15K, we will add additional/alternative weaponry and heads for the Warmaidens for whom we have artwork prepared for all versions we propose (making thus the final sprues/product into a dual kit).
If we hit even more, we will be adding alternative torsos+legs, otherwise we will put the funds into the "Heavy Barbarian Infantry", but we are focused in funding the maidens first, let's complete what we didn't in our first KS...
In our game Warmaidens and Shieldmaiden Infantry all belong to the Shieldmaiden faction, but bluntly put
-Shieldmaidens have more discipline/better defence,
-Warmaidens have more attack/more "momentum" at the charge/worse defence.

willb2064 wrote:
The concepts are so close that it looks like it could be a single kit to me.

 AlexHolker wrote:
The four concepts are too close together to warrant two kits, I think. I would suggest making the second kit a full blown heavy armour kit.

The concepts are close because the heads & weaponry are not scheduled into any changes from those planned, therefore all four versions are now sharing these identical parts.
Interesting results so far in the poll, but that might change...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 05:14:47


Post by: Mymearan


Yay, chainmail is winning! I think it is by far the coolest concept. No tits hanging out, but not so much armor that it looks cumbersome. If I could get plastic spruces of women viking warriors without embarrassing boob armor and with your great designs... Mother of god.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 05:55:45


Post by: heartserenade


Chainmail all the way. I think there's market for decently-clad female models with practical clothing, what with the miniature market saturated with naked women or women in impractical boob plates. I mean, I'm not against those but it's great to have an alternative.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 05:57:31


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I still think the pose is what will make or break these minis. Please do not give them silly poses.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 06:07:30


Post by: heartserenade


Although let me just say that naked women AND silly poses would work if they're like, the frothing barbarian berserker type of models. Just make sure the silly poses are more rage-y and not pinup-y?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 06:15:46


Post by: Mymearan


Yep. Basically just look at Raging Heroes and do the opposite.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 07:36:44


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


If I had to choose I'd go with chainmail as well.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 07:39:48


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Poses won't be "silly", we are pouring a lot of money into this and it doesn't change once it has been tooled.
Also, they'll need to fit rank n' file so...

From left to right


pose-1 remains like it is

pose-2 right hand changes, maybe right foot forward and shield more close to the body and not in "open" stance

pose-3 remains as is, maybe right foot standing back

pose-4 will change how she holds the weapon but still facing down as if "stabbing" an enemy. This model also gets upgrades in the sprue. Legs also slightly closed for space purposes

pose-5 will remain like it is, as is long as she fits rank n' file, otherwise standing (very slightly) up.

That's the main idea for now... :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 08:44:32


Post by: heartserenade


I think one of the main strengths of Shieldwolf is that they do listen to their customers.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 11:15:53


Post by: Azazelx


You might consider ball and socket joints for the arms. That would potentially allow people to swap arms between the figures, and also change the angles and orientation of the models' arms. Simple things that add more flexibility to a kit are always very highly welcomed.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 11:42:10


Post by: Mr Morden


Liking the chainmail versions a lot - I like my scantly clad etc females but this looks great and in keeping with the background you have created

I don't think you can go far if they are like this - which you seem to be doing

Spoiler:


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 16:16:19


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


On pose 4, please make sure her knees and toes aren't pointed inward. It makes her look like a French Ogre doing the oui-oui stance.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/10 17:06:15


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We will keep the poll open for the month of April, then on May we must commence sculpting so a decison must have been taken by then...
There seems to be a favorite among the 4 versions, but we still have time to see, we are hoping at getting more than 400 votes to secure the result a bit more...
:-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/13 17:45:15


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


And the favorite version keeps augmenting the distance...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/18 07:41:34


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We are proud to announce Shieldwolf Miniatures and Empyrean Rule have decided to collaborate for their upcoming Kickstarter this month.



The collaboration strengthens both companies and aims at the faster development of their goals. We have been given the task to provide a number of miniatures destined as additional rewards to their backers, so go check it out, it really looks like a very promising game! :-)

http://empyreanrule.com/landing

From the official announcement:
"Empyrean Rule is a true sandbox experience derived by the seamless blend of real time tactical battles with a large scale strategy/empire management game in a massive persistent open fantasy world!
Players assume the role of a General, command massive armies and free roam in a world where individuals and empires scheme for power and dominance. It is a world which never sleeps, as everything is happening in real time, and where decisions and actions of players have a direct effect on it."


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/18 09:46:38


Post by: Azazelx


Is ER planned to be some kind of "always on" MMO?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/18 11:35:36


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Empyrean Rule is a game featuring a sandbox experience in an open persistent world and players from all over the world can play together.
It only makes sense this could not work as an offline game, but the development team behind it has also mentioned the possibility of offline skirmish battles against the AI, though that has not been officially confirmed yet -thus take this with a tad of salt. :-)

Having said that, the KS backers will have the option to choose between a STEAM version or a DRM-free version, though in order to access the game, the user would have to be online.

We also had talks with ER of uniting our "worlds", but that is to be discussed much further. Our game's beta-version will be ready by the end of this month, we have collected a respectable number of volunteers to test it in 4 different countries. The possibilities opening are larger as soon as we finish the game -without it there's little to discuss-, but doing so within 2015 looks now a very reasonable target :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/20 16:37:26


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


There seems to be a great battle going on and while there seemed to be an obvious winner (had reached even 49% of total votes), now it seems it will be down to two versions! :-o

If you haven't voted yet, please do, it would help us a lot! We are looking at which version you'd like to see made in a plastic kit.

You can vote here



Thank you.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2015/04/20 16:47:03


Post by: Mymearan


Yeah i don't think you'll get much support here on Dakka for the "tits out" version..,


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I wonder where all the votes for revealing came from.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Actually for us it's the same no matter what people choose most, it's that we are doing some market research and things turned out very interesting initially -we were almost sure what people were asking for according to the first results-, instead the way things are progressing now it's more confusing than resolving... :-/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder where all the votes for revealing came from.


That makes two of us, but there is no way of telling where each vote comes from.
The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


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Post by: Mutter


Just want to say that I got my stuff from the kickstarter (got two sets of mountain orcs) and must say I'm quite impressed with the crisp quality of them and the details on the casts.

Nice work, guys, and eagerly looking forward to your next kickstarter.


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Post by: Mymearan


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Actually for us it's the same no matter what people choose most, it's that we are doing some market research and things turned out very interesting initially -we were almost sure what people were asking for according to the first results-, instead the way things are progressing now it's more confusing than resolving... :-/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder where all the votes for revealing came from.


That makes two of us, but there is no way of telling where each vote comes from.
The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


Well, there are always people who think that more skin = better. The problem as I see it, aside from the fact that I am not one of those people, is that there are already sooo much TNA in the miniature world. If you go for that, the competition will be HUGE. Reasonably clothed warrior women that don't have stripper bodies however, that's a niche that hasn't really been explored at all, at least not on this scale.

And now I'm sad about the state of things :/


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Post by: RiTides


Mymearan, the chainmail option is tied with the exposed one - if you like the chainmail better, go vote for it at the poll link:

https://www.wedgies.com/question/5526f876d9425307000026c5


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Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Yeah, that kind of came out of nowhere with the revealing ones pulling ahead.

There may not be any scantily clad lady armies in hard plastic (although my Pelgarths from Wrath of Kings certainly fit that bill, maybe just not in HP), but having strong looking women in practical armor (in hard plastic) is something that I think would be just as unique, but a whole lot more accessible.


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Post by: Alpharius


I'll echo a lot of what is said here - I cannot believe that the 'revealing' version is polling that well.

I also can't believe that they'll ever really be a good seller for you.

Chainmail is clearly a winner AND something that can sell though.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the final results show at the end of the month, I'll agree that chainmail seemed like the obvious choice -especially after the first 150/200 votes- but this just got a tad more confusing... :-/
And we really want to start sculting the 3ups next month, so a decision will be taken regardless...

@Mutter Thank you.


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Post by: Wehrkind


Gotta do the chain mail right though. Some of the other poses with split chain mail, or like halter top and mini-skirt, are not as useful. Chain mail is "good" because it can be produced with almost no skill and made effectively off one pattern for everyone. Customization besides removing a few rows or columns to make it a bit smaller kind of kills that, while leaving skin exposed to cutting.


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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Poses won't be "silly", we are pouring a lot of money into this and it doesn't change once it has been tooled.
Also, they'll need to fit rank n' file so...

From left to right


pose-1 remains like it is

pose-2 right hand changes, maybe right foot forward and shield more close to the body and not in "open" stance

pose-3 remains as is, maybe right foot standing back

pose-4 will change how she holds the weapon but still facing down as if "stabbing" an enemy. This model also gets upgrades in the sprue. Legs also slightly closed for space purposes

pose-5 will remain like it is, as is long as she fits rank n' file, otherwise standing (very slightly) up.

That's the main idea for now... :-)


Specifically, #2 there is silly. 3's mini skirt is strange, and would be better gone or used to make her top longer. 4's wrapped mail is also suspect. A full length skirt like that would be really heavy and prone to making you trip. Better to pull it up to cover her belly, and not have any below the knees. 1 and 5 are good.
If you want to add more variety, you can either have the mail torn in spots, or patched/augmented with leather or metal plates. Different bottom hems can be done too, either triangles or rounded scallops.


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Further thing to remember: when thinking chain mail, think T-shirt of various length and bits chopped off. Maybe it is just the front and back of the shirt, laced at the sides. Maybe it is longer or shorter, going to the knees or just above the belt. Maybe it is patched with other stuff, or looking new.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Wehrkind
I'll second that #2 is kinda silly (we will probably make the chainmail shorter and more "complete"), but the artist was given the following instructions (I'll try translating it to my best) "The armor must cover up a lot but not everything, this version must not make them look like chainmailed mummies. We want them with enough chainmail to be at least partialy protected but also maintain the fantasy aspect and not making them look like historcal. Keep the sexy portion but without it being dancy sexy strippers, these women are warriors and are going to war! Thus rather leave most things to the imaginaton. Remember, we are making fantasy figures, this means stretched concepts yes, but also believable"

#3 for example we would like to keep. Yes, I agree that the stomach area should be covered to make it more real, but we like the fantasy concept. Is it that bad?


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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I suspect the early votes were from here (and other forums where you posted the poll?),

so relatively experienced wargamers, and possibly more invested in games where they buy multiple of figures

the later votes are those who are less invested in 'armies' as word of the poll spreads via postings on social networks etc so you may well be seeing more of the view of mini painters, roleplayers, collectors etc

for example Reaper has data (reported by Reaper Bryan) that shows when they offer a 'nude' vs partially clothes vs clothed version of one of their minis the nude outsells the partially clothed and that outsells the sensibly clothed version, and their buyer demographic is more RPC/Painter/Collector than wargamer

Edit: Personally I'd be tempted by either but suspect you'll sell more boxes of the chainmail clad ones (if you were selling single's I'd suggest going for the partially clothed version)


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Post by: Ketara


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


Is that it? Say the word, and if I'n bored enough, I can get the chainmail version up to 99% in favour #.

I'll be honest, if one version was the most popular, and then another has just suddenly started seeing loads of votes, it's probably one person who reaaaally wants their naked women sculpts.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
...for example Reaper has data (reported by Reaper Bryan) that shows when they offer a 'nude' vs partially clothes vs clothed version of one of their minis the nude outsells the partially clothed and that outsells the sensibly clothed version, and their buyer demographic is more RPC/Painter/Collector than wargamer...


This is a very important piece of information you're sharing here, much appreciated! :-)


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 Ketara wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


Is that it? Say the word, and if I'n bored enough, I can get the chainmail version up to 99% in favour #.

I'll be honest, if one version was the most popular, and then another has just suddenly started seeing loads of votes, it's probably one person who reaaaally wants their naked women sculpts.


Lol! :-D


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Post by: Wehrkind


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Wehrkind
I'll second that #2 is kinda silly (we will probably make the chainmail shorter and more "complete"), but the artist was given the following instructions (I'll try translating it to my best) "The armor must cover up a lot but not everything, this version must not make them look like chainmailed mummies. We want them with enough chainmail to be at least partialy protected but also maintain the fantasy aspect and not making them look like historcal. Keep the sexy portion but without it being dancy sexy strippers, these women are warriors and are going to war! Thus rather leave most things to the imaginaton. Remember, we are making fantasy figures, this means stretched concepts yes, but also believable"

#3 for example we would like to keep. Yes, I agree that the stomach area should be covered to make it more real, but we like the fantasy concept. Is it that bad?


#3 is fine, but would look more sensible to remove the mini-chain skirt. Then the concept is internally consistent; she just doesn't have enough mail.

Sexy and fantasy is fine, but most of the appeal here seems to be based on the idea that they are practical, serious women going to war. Many companies make various sexy fantasy women in more or less armor. Not many historicals companies make females in general, and those are often less obviously female. A quick Google Image search of viking miniatures turned up about 4 clothed women vikings, all in metal and mostly from Reaper, using a sufficiently small value for "clothed". "female barbarian miniature" turns up similar results, and highlights the situation.

Not exactly ground breaking marking research, but there seems to be a good sized niche to fill.


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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
...for example Reaper has data (reported by Reaper Bryan) that shows when they offer a 'nude' vs partially clothes vs clothed version of one of their minis the nude outsells the partially clothed and that outsells the sensibly clothed version, and their buyer demographic is more RPC/Painter/Collector than wargamer...


This is a very important piece of information you're sharing here, much appreciated! :-)


I tried to find the actual quote on the Reaper forums but I can't so treat the info with a pinch of salt just in case I'm miss-remembering

EDIT: My Google-Fu is strong, it's here

http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/45507-storm-giants/page-15


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Multi part plastics really seem like a weak medium for sumptuous nudity. There would need to be joins at the shoulders, the neck and possibly the waist. Combine those seams with the infamous lack of undercuts, and plastic seems like a terrible medium for T'n'A. However, armor or chain mail work much better with the medium.


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Post by: Taarnak


 Wehrkind wrote:
Gotta do the chain mail right though. Some of the other poses with split chain mail, or like halter top and mini-skirt, are not as useful. Chain mail is "good" because it can be produced with almost no skill and made effectively off one pattern for everyone. Customization besides removing a few rows or columns to make it a bit smaller kind of kills that, while leaving skin exposed to cutting.


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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Poses won't be "silly", we are pouring a lot of money into this and it doesn't change once it has been tooled.
Also, they'll need to fit rank n' file so...

From left to right


pose-1 remains like it is

pose-2 right hand changes, maybe right foot forward and shield more close to the body and not in "open" stance

pose-3 remains as is, maybe right foot standing back

pose-4 will change how she holds the weapon but still facing down as if "stabbing" an enemy. This model also gets upgrades in the sprue. Legs also slightly closed for space purposes

pose-5 will remain like it is, as is long as she fits rank n' file, otherwise standing (very slightly) up.

That's the main idea for now... :-)


Specifically, #2 there is silly. 3's mini skirt is strange, and would be better gone or used to make her top longer. 4's wrapped mail is also suspect. A full length skirt like that would be really heavy and prone to making you trip. Better to pull it up to cover her belly, and not have any below the knees. 1 and 5 are good.
If you want to add more variety, you can either have the mail torn in spots, or patched/augmented with leather or metal plates. Different bottom hems can be done too, either triangles or rounded scallops.


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Further thing to remember: when thinking chain mail, think T-shirt of various length and bits chopped off. Maybe it is just the front and back of the shirt, laced at the sides. Maybe it is longer or shorter, going to the knees or just above the belt. Maybe it is patched with other stuff, or looking new.

#1 is just plain bad. She looks like she's just tripped on a rock.
#2 could use some tweaking but is hardly silly. Not at all sure what anyone finds silly about her.
#3 is ok. Not great, not terrible.
#4 needs to have the way she is holding the weapon adjusted. Right now I'd say she's pretty silly. But still not as bad as #1...
#5 is fine as is really.

~Eric


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Post by: rayphoton


 Ketara wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


Is that it? Say the word, and if I'n bored enough, I can get the chainmail version up to 99% in favour #.

I'll be honest, if one version was the most popular, and then another has just suddenly started seeing loads of votes, it's probably one person who reaaaally wants their naked women sculpts.


With the amount of miniatures that are T&A you really think one person is driving around town doing the survey over and over again? That's a little ridiculous.

The Scantily clad ladies are popular....one look at how well RagingHeroes kick starters have done is all the proof you need.

I don't think SW will lose sales by releasing the more popular vote. I do think thy might make a ton of money by offering the ability to make both.

personally I'm sad the vote didn't make the unarmored non revealing one......I thought it was a good mix of skin and barbarian warriors. An army of screaming red sonjas


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Post by: Jerram


 rayphoton wrote:
 Ketara wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


Is that it? Say the word, and if I'n bored enough, I can get the chainmail version up to 99% in favour #.

I'll be honest, if one version was the most popular, and then another has just suddenly started seeing loads of votes, it's probably one person who reaaaally wants their naked women sculpts.


With the amount of miniatures that are T&A you really think one person is driving around town doing the survey over and over again? That's a little ridiculous.



It does not limit based on IP, but based on computer. Just need someone to go to a place with multiple comps.


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Post by: rayphoton


Still...with companies like hassle free making some fantastic "adult" barbarians....i just cant see one guy at a public library hitting up every computer to sway a vote.

Maybe its just me though......


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Post by: Haljin


 rayphoton wrote:
Still...with companies like hassle free making some fantastic "adult" barbarians....i just cant see one guy at a public library hitting up every computer to sway a vote.

Maybe its just me though......


You don't need to do that. There is a variety of ways to bypass 1-per-IP limitations. Some people have dynamically allocated IP addresses meaning all they need to do is to unplug and plug back in to get a different one. There's various proxies you can use to re-route the traffic or you can just spoof the IP address.

4chan has been known to rig internet polls for years now. While it doesn't seem like they are involved in this particular poll, it could be some other forum/community that's doing it.


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Post by: Wehrkind


 Taarnak wrote:

#1 is just plain bad. She looks like she's just tripped on a rock.
#2 could use some tweaking but is hardly silly. Not at all sure what anyone finds silly about her.
#3 is ok. Not great, not terrible.
#4 needs to have the way she is holding the weapon adjusted. Right now I'd say she's pretty silly. But still not as bad as #1...
#5 is fine as is really.

~Eric


You seem to have misunderstood, we were talking chain mail, not poses.


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Post by: Azazelx


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Actually for us it's the same no matter what people choose most, it's that we are doing some market research and things turned out very interesting initially -we were almost sure what people were asking for according to the first results-, instead the way things are progressing now it's more confusing than resolving... :-/


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wonder where all the votes for revealing came from.


That makes two of us, but there is no way of telling where each vote comes from.
The only thing that wedgies certifies (and the main reason we prefer using it for our polls) is limit a single vote to each IP address, therefore these are 300+ genuine people voting, and not a couple of people casting multiple votes...


There are ways around "IP checks", you know. Some are really simple. Voting from multiple devices. Some people have dynamic IPs. Hell, I bet you could just clear the cache on your device and find you'll be able to vote again (might want to check that one especially). And if that is possible, I think the "real" winner will be the obvious one.

I don't want to clear the cache on my PC here, but I'll go try voting and clearing and revoting on a different computer.


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Went to browser, cleared my cookies. Voted twice. Easy Peasy.

I guess we know the answer to the sudden surge in that case. One person could rig with 100 votes in 30 minutes. Try it, Shieldwolf guys.

Wedgies doesn't track/block IPs. It just throws a cookie on your computer that you can remove in seconds. I voted originally on my main PC, but went to the spare one and voted again (the two computers boxes are located 15cm apart) and THEN I cleared the cookies on the second PC and voted again on it less than 1 minute later. So that's three from my static IP. No need for 4chan or any kind of organised rigging. Just need 1 guy who is really sadly desperate for wargame models of topless models.


 Haljin wrote:

4chan has been known to rig internet polls for years now. While it doesn't seem like they are involved in this particular poll, it could be some other forum/community that's doing it.


Or one guy and an hour of nothing better to do - there aren't that many votes, and waiting until the end of the poll makes it easier since legit people will have already cast theirs across all four options, and legit people tend not to cheat too much. There were a couple of reeeeeeally vocal people in the KS who kept going on in the comments with pretty much "tits or GTFO" comments. I could easily see one of them being ...motivated enough in this case. Especially the guy who vocally pulled his pledge at the last minute.

While it's tempting to "redress the balance", I'm not going to do that. I'm just not going to buy topless barbarians since it's obvious what has suddenly happened.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...


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Post by: Azazelx


I'll go with "Because people are selfish and stupid."


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Men do stupid, cruel things for boobs?


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Post by: Azazelx


Even tiny plastic ones. Apparently.


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Post by: primalexile


I noticed there was a substantial lead of chainmail, before the boobs came ahead.

Not sure how much tooling is but could it be worth it to have two torsos on one sprue?

I have no interested in half naked barbarian women, but I do have interest in a full army of armored female warriors.


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Post by: RiTides


Yeah, I would not trust the poll results alone honestly... ask people their opinions. I've even voted a few times in the poll lol


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Post by: Ketara


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...


The answer will be in the data. If, over the course of a day, most of the votes for the topless model suddenly appeared way out of proportion to all previous days of data collection, it means someone is most likely rigging it.

If, on the other hand, it steadily increases over several days, it means there's either someone far more clever doing it, or people *gasp* do actually want topless models. *ba-dum tish*


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Post by: primalexile


 Ketara wrote:
 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Well, that's both surprising... and dissapointing! Why on Earth rig the results for something some people may not pledge for? :-/
It would only cause us to sculpt 3ups that will not be funded in the end since people wouldn't really support/want that version, thus the kit would not be happening anyway!

We were like "wtf"...? :-/
...


The answer will be in the data. If, over the course of a day, most of the votes for the topless model suddenly appeared way out of proportion to all previous days of data collection, it means someone is most likely rigging it.

If, on the other hand, it steadily increases over several days, it means there's either someone far more clever doing it, or people *gasp* do actually want topless models. *ba-dum tish*


We have our guilty party here


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Post by: Wehrkind


If it is reasonable to do, a separate expansion or add on sprue of topless versions might not be bad. Just a sprue of 10 or whatever topless versions might net the folks who want them, and allow for mix and match, or different unit types or something. As I write this, I am shocked to realize that I don't know of any companies that make a topless female torso that would go with any of the various historical or fantasy kits. I suppose Kingdom Death will have something along those lines, but it seems really surprising, so much so that I must be mistaken, right?

At this point though, I think Ketara is right: just check the vote patterns, and if many of one fall within like 8 hours of each other, throw them out.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 primalexile wrote:
I noticed there was a substantial lead of chainmail, before the boobs came ahead.

Not sure how much tooling is but could it be worth it to have two torsos on one sprue?

I have no interested in half naked barbarian women, but I do have interest in a full army of armored female warriors.


The idea is to have
10-12 different heads
6 left arms
6 rights arms
5-6 shields
and
4 legs+torsos.

These 4 legs+torsos (single piece) can have a different version (e.g. unarmored), while all the pieces mentioned above fit both kits. If you take a look at our picture, heads/arms/weapon/shield remain the same. The only thing we change is leg+torso and voila', we have a completely different version. (That's also why the backer who suggested a helmeted version on the previous page cannot be accomodated, it would not fit the "unarmored" version).



The Command sprue will also fit nicely both types, we have already designed all 4 versions of it -and how it would look- but that too is a SG in order to make the kit fund easier.

The way we see it -and judging from the results we had till April 18th-, the chainmail version will be the first to be sculpted, after which we will opt for an unarmored version as a SG. We are also expecting the response from our Law firm about the additional implications the non-censored version might have on the kit. I don't mean to sound stupid or anything, but it's a lot of money and we mean to take a very close and careful look at what may cause us trouble in the future...


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Post by: AlexHolker


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
The only thing we change is leg+torso and voila', we have a completely different version. (That's also why the backer who suggested a helmeted version on the previous page cannot be accomodated, it would not fit the "unarmored" version).

If the Shieldmaidens get two kits, they should be two different kits - an armoured kit that does the armoured shieldmaiden look properly, and an unarmoured kit that does the unarmoured shieldmaiden look properly. Making a plastic sprue costs tens of thousands of dollars and gives you an asset that can last for decades. Why would you start cutting corners on the design side?


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Post by: Gallahad


I received my KS rewards a couple of days ago. I'm very happy that I pledged, and impressed that they got everything out so quickly. The resins are very detailed and well cast. The plastic orcs are also a really great kit.

Shieldmaidens aren't my type of fantasy, but if I were to ever buy some, the only ones that might halfway tempt me would be the chainmail ones. I think part of the problem is that Shieldwolf really wants to make fantasy barbarian women, not Lagertha style fantasy female vikings. Shieldwolf wants there to be some skin showing on the models, but I worry that if they try to please everyone, they will end up not to anyone's liking.

That being said, I think that people who are really enthusiastic about and would buy the boob versions, would also likely buy the chainmail versions, but that people who are really enthusiastic about the chainmail versions, likely wouldn't buy the boob versions.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@AlexHolker
We know Alex, we've already made one, lol! ;-)
Hardly calling it "cutting corners", we've already shown additional stretch goals for the war maiden heads etc, we want to take this reasonably and make sure we fund it, we are pouring half of the money needed in order to bring this to life anyway.

Are you saying that even if we do not unlock the additional heads and weaponry and we only unlock the torsos+legs (which FYI would cost a lot too) the models would not differentiate? I mean differentiate enough? In that case we will again agree to disagree :-)

@Gallahad
Glad they arrived safely and that you like them! :-D
Chainmail is 99% the models we will go for, I'll agree we cannot please everyone, that's why we made the poll. We are opting that the new votes are somehow 'false' and thus disregard them. Making a dual kit is a great idea and we only know of one company doing it. Oh, it's also the largest :-)


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Post by: AlexHolker


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@AlexHolker
We know Alex, we've already made one, lol! ;-)
Hardly calling it "cutting corners", we've already shown additional stretch goals for the war maiden heads etc, we want to take this reasonably and make sure we fund it, we are pouring half of the money needed in order to bring this to life anyway.

Are you saying that even if we do not unlock the additional heads and weaponry and we only unlock the torsos+legs (which FYI would cost a lot too) the models would not differentiate? I mean differentiate enough? In that case we will again agree to disagree :-)

Yes, I'm saying that a chainmail dress with bare arms and bare legs is too close to the unarmoured versions to serve a unique role. To put it in WHFB terms I'd much rather have two kits, one for 6+ save shield&no armour, and one for 4+ save shield&heavy armour, than one for 6+ save shield&no armour and one for 5+ save shield&light armour.


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Post by: Azazelx


Alex. While your logic is sound on one level, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the chainmail/Lagertha figures were the top-voted ones, and that SW need people to actually vote with their dollars. (and plate was not exactly the front-runner there).

I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.


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Post by: AlexHolker


 Azazelx wrote:
Alex. While your logic is sound on one level, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the chainmail/Lagertha figures were the top-voted ones, and that SW need people to actually vote with their dollars. (and plate was not exactly the front-runner there).

I am ignoring that the chainmail option won the vote because heavy armour wasn't even on the ballot. Option #3 is no more heavy armour than #1 is - neither option has any protection for the head, half the arms or half the legs.


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Post by: Azazelx


I guess that means that Shieldwolf plan to make figures that they want to, with some degree of variation and influence from us - rather than designing by committee.


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Post by: Wehrkind


Side question: are the heads going to be on a different sprue that we could buy separately? Those would be great for a wide variety of model types and conversions.


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Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 Azazelx wrote:
I guess that means that Shieldwolf plan to make figures that they want to, with some degree of variation and influence from us - rather than designing by committee.


*nodding head* Gallahad nailed it best, we are looking into assigning a fantasy aspect and not "fantasy/history". Rules wise these are +3 armor and shields in our game are played differently from WHFB and KoW, but that's a very different story, we are doing a huge effort to complete the 1.a draft version of our game before June (thanks to the fact we have temporarily put aside a great number of races which made the development take so many years, this is still material we will use in the future but it caused us great delay and we mean to make this available soon).

 Wehrkind wrote:
Side question: are the heads going to be on a different sprue that we could buy separately? Those would be great for a wide variety of model types and conversions.


We have been messaged about this in our info mail, which I guess it means more than one person is interested. We were thinking of being able to cut out a half sprue for our "bitz" section which would include the heads and shields alone. We have discussed some things with Renedra but if we don't actually have 3ups to see how the final tooling gets planned (in real life terms and not hypothesis), it's more like a guess about "splitting" in a half sprue that we can give you and not a precise and responsible answer. It is seriously in our thoughts however, yes.
Regardless, we are aiming with our future sprue layouts to allow as many bits left as possible (without altering their RRP however).
We are waiting for next weekend to arrive -and with Salute over our backs- so we can make some final decisions and get things rolling a tad faster...


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Post by: Taarnak


 Wehrkind wrote:
 Taarnak wrote:

#1 is just plain bad. She looks like she's just tripped on a rock.
#2 could use some tweaking but is hardly silly. Not at all sure what anyone finds silly about her.
#3 is ok. Not great, not terrible.
#4 needs to have the way she is holding the weapon adjusted. Right now I'd say she's pretty silly. But still not as bad as #1...
#5 is fine as is really.

~Eric


You seem to have misunderstood, we were talking chain mail, not poses.


You may have been talking chainmail, but Shieldwolf wasn't. At least not when they posted what I quoted.

I haven't been following the discussion too closely, true. But I chimed in because, in my opinion, poses are some of the most gotten-wrong things in our hobby. Too many creators have no idea how humans move, and too many consumers just accept whatever is doled out in the name of "dynamism".

~Eric



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Post by: Micky


Chain mail ftw... it would really set you apart, too.


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Post by: Hatemonger


 Azazelx wrote:
I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.

I think this sentiment is worth noting: not only which version is favored, but which versions are acceptable.

The chainmail version is my favorite, and would definitely buy some.
I like the unarmored version less, but would still get some.
I would probably still buy a box of the plate armor.

I will not buy the bare chested ones at all.

Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

- H8


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Post by: Jerram


Hatemonger wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
I'd rather have properly-armoured, realistic chainmail than sleeveless vests and chain skirt with hot barbarian girl legs, but I'll still happily take it.

I think this sentiment is worth noting: not only which version is favored, but which versions are acceptable.

The chainmail version is my favorite, and would definitely buy some.
I like the unarmored version less, but would still get some.
I would probably still buy a box of the plate armor.

I will not buy the bare chested ones at all.

Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

- H8


I'm in the same boat as you except I'd rather have the plate slightly more than the unarmored.


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Post by: AlexHolker


Hatemonger wrote:
Do the 'revealing' fans feel the same way? I mean, are there lots of fans of viking babes that will just outright refuse to buy them if they don't have their tits out? I would guess the answer is no, but what the hell do I know...

I would not buy the chainmail ones. I dislike the look of the chainmail skirt and they are neither heavily armoured enough nor lightly armoured enough to serve as Chaos Warriors or Chaos Marauders. I'd buy either of the least armoured ones or a kit with a mix of the two, especially if they got rid of the headband that everyone seems to insist on putting on these sorts of models. The plate mail option looks okay, but I'd much rather have a proper heavy armour kit that could be used as Chaos Warriors.


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Post by: Micky


 AlexHolker wrote:

I would not buy the chainmail ones. I dislike the look of the chainmail skirt and they are neither heavily armoured enough nor lightly armoured enough to serve as Chaos Warriors or Chaos Marauders.


You could always just paint the chainmail as if it were plaid. Smoothing out textures like that is easy.