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overtyrant wrote:
So I've just had a look and there are no troops apart from the ogres available from the get go, or the first few stretch goals as well? These ogres are expensive which is why I didn't want them made out of resin, there what £25 for 4? I can get 6 GW ogres for £20 or 6 Mantic ogres for £16. I prefer fatties for my ogres but I like the design of the mantic ones as well. I thought there was ment to be 5 armies not 4, unless I'm having a blonde moment. I would've liked to have had a $1 pledge so I could put my foot in the door and maybe upgrade if I like some of the troops from the other armies later on. Though I'm looking forward to what the mammoth will look like! Good luck on the KS!

Well actually you can click on the mammoth and see what it looks like . Third picture of product on their site. Its not painted but it looks great

Kinda want to see what troops are available for what price before considering anything.

Well, the plastic mountain orcs are one of the 'addons' further down the page. Comes in at ~$15 for a unit of 20 rather than the ~$29 via their web store.

Heh, despite the polls and such here, they don't seem super prepared for having their KS project be a success. Not a huge deal, but not what I was expecting. The confusion created by the Necromancer pledge level was also interesting.

prankster wrote:
Well, the plastic mountain orcs are one of the 'addons' further down the page. Comes in at ~$15 for a unit of 20 rather than the ~$29 via their web store.

Yeah but I want to see what troops arebeing funded by this KS campaign not what's already available in there store, I suppose we should see soon enough anyway. Though I may pick up a box of there mountain orcs and use them as demons in KoW as they look more like demons then orcs to me. Just seen the picture of the ogres 'butcher', he's not going to be a magic user is he?

C'mon demons being 5th army!

I have to agree - NEEDS MORE TROOPS!

I'd like to see more pics of the War Mammoth:



With howdah:




I actually prefer it without the howdah, but need to see more pics of it! Not sure what I would use it for, but it definitely makes me think of the third LOTR movie, which is cool

Some updates to keep us going:

Update 1:
Funded! Thank you all, let's make this go as far as possible!

Hi all and we appreciate the support, wow, funded and unlocked the first 5 stretch goals, way to go!
We hope you find everything (miniatures & stretch goals) reasonably priced, we'll be adding each and every image on the first page of all the unlocked goodies, in the meanwhile we have passed the $10,000 mark, so here's the Valley Orc Shaman (has been commissioned to Paolo Fabiani)

Update 2:
2nd Lion unlocked, moving on to the 3rd...

So, Guard of Pramendes got the 2nd lion unlocked (hope you're enjoying their storyline/background), moving on to the 3rd, then on to some cool stuff from the other factions!

Hello all!

And thanks for your support! We understand people need to see more troops and they obviously will as long as the funding keeps augmenting :-)

Actually you can see a lot of stuff by clicking on the initial images, most of the ones for the funding goal are already sculpted, painted and with 360s to have a closer look at :-)

Here are the next stretch goals...





After the 2-headed Dragon gets unlocked things should start looking even sweeter... :-)

It might be smart to make an update showing the sculpted and painted models, since I don't think it was obvious to click on the images (I only did so on the mammoth because someone mentioned that here).

Or perhaps even to update the main page to show the actual models. Models tend to do better than art, I think!

@RiTides Thanks (you're right)... hope you like 'em! :-)

(Oops, mistake)

:-)


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skarsol wrote:
Heh, despite the polls and such here, they don't seem super prepared for having their KS project be a success. Not a huge deal, but not what I was expecting. The confusion created by the Necromancer pledge level was also interesting.

Hi! :-) We weren't expecting that either :-D we have never used the interface before and initially it didn't allow us to post some pics (causing frustration). Unlike some people thought/said pics were obviously ready but we were either not uploading them correctly (e.g. linking 2 consecutive images on the same url) or it was uploading them for some reason at the very bottom of the page! (We still haven't figured out why, maybe it has something to do with the links? If Tre ' is listening, we'd like some council!) :-)
Also, we expected people to grab smaller pledge levels and then see where it leads them, we admit it caught us off guard, by the time we updated the "We got funded", we had to unlock instead the first stretch goals. And then the 2nd, etc! Seems our backers are more experienced and they prefer sitting on an EB (although maybe costly) and judge later what the benefit is and whether they'll keep it or not.
It is a reasonable approach now that I come to think of it... :-)

Anyway, all's good, 29 days to go and 55$ away from unlocking our 2nd Ogre Unit, then come in the Shieldmaiden stretch goals and their 2-headed Dragon, so all's bound to rise even more support. We also believe after our ads kick in, we'll have more pledges coming tomorrow (03.25' here in Athens), almost 15K first day (6 1/2 hours to be exact), especially when some of our sculpts kick in some blogspots.

Guess that's about it for today.
:-)

For the future, if you have Early Bird pledges, expect those to all go first. Since your EB/limited pledges were all high dollar, that pushed your total up quickly. Note that there will probably be turnover in these pledges later as people who grabbed them "in case" end up dropping out.

You're absolutely spot on, but although we appreciate really strong support, what we need is an augmented number of backers... :-)

And that's exactly why we have 29 days to summon them to our cause, 15K isn't bad for first day, we were not expecting to fund our first plastic kit in 24 hours (although we would have been VERY pleasantly surprised!), we need a steady augmentation of backers, something our only chance is by unlocking more goodies.

Let's hope this entices more people, commissioned to Olivier Nkwetti and being sculpted as we speak...





Anyway, no need to draw any conclusions at this early stage, we'll try to enjoy the ride... :-)

Ogres with guns are on the expensive side.....


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Also, why did you not do a $1 pledge level?

Damn. I was hoping those were for a giantess, not a mammoth.

Well, I'm in. I look forward to a fun campaign. Lion riders look fantastic.

So, what is the first plastic kit we are likely to see on the stretch goal list?

I want a mammoth one day so I can build a giant in Bretonnian gear (shield, lance, helmet, etc) on his trusty steed. This one looks nice (if not as grumpy as the FW one), but I just can't spend more on minis that gather dust while I slave away over textbooks. Have to wait for retail in a few years.

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I just grabbed a Pacific EB. I like SW and want to support them, but I'll look at the campaign again just before it ends and decide what to do then. I'm not a fan of meta-currency campaigns, and it was one reason I didn't back Kromlech's Orks. Only having line art for most stretch goals is rather disappointing as well.


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Just read through the Q&A. MIKH is mentioned as a potential sculptor. Does he count as a "natural disaster" in terms of KS delays?

I thought Mikh was trapped in a temporal loop sculpting gladiators. Or having Jodi's baby?

If the campaign is waiting on one of his sculpts, that definitely sounds like trouble.

overtyrant wrote:
Ogres with guns are on the expensive side.....


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Also, why did you not do a $1 pledge level?

a.Resin costs overtyrant, we are pretty sure it's a very normal price to pay to see this created, I'm not saying it's a steal by any means, but math is what it is and we have to be reasonable and honest. Believe it or not we are putting labor hours for free in order to help fund the plastics, if this campaign doesn't fund, I honestly don't know what else could've been done...
Also, $1 pledge level, you're right, thanks for pointing it out! Just added it a few minutes ago ;-)

 Gallahad wrote:
Well, I'm in. I look forward to a fun campaign. Lion riders look fantastic.

Thanks Gallahad and appreciate the support, Paolo Fabiani has started sculpting some of the others as we speak, so we should have WiP pics before the campaign ends. :-)

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So, what is the first plastic kit we are likely to see on the stretch goal list?

We've noted it down (although I realize it's a lot to digest) first kit will be Valley Orc Infantry, heavily co-funded by us (we are only asking for 25,000$ which is MUCH lower from what's really needed). 3ups have already been sculpted and we'll be showing them off as we get closer. 2nd plastic kit is the Shieldmaidens/Warmaidens (dual kit).

 Azazelx wrote:
I just grabbed a Pacific EB. I like SW and want to support them, but I'll look at the campaign again just before it ends and decide what to do then. I'm not a fan of meta-currency campaigns, and it was one reason I didn't back Kromlech's Orks. Only having line art for most stretch goals is rather disappointing as well.

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Just read through the Q&A. MIKH is mentioned as a potential sculptor. Does he count as a "natural disaster" in terms of KS delays?

Thanks Azazelx, you're very honest and I'll completely understand if people at the end of the campaign start dropping their pledges. What we wish for to happen is something like e.g. Mantic's Dungeon Saga (although with some substantial differences), initially the value wasn't there but by collective effort it became at the end. We are not Mantic and we decided to make this grow little by little, let's see where it leads us... :-)
Artwork... well, we still have some miniatures not revealed, but that's not fair I think, e.g. Mierce also uses some of our sculptors, gets funded and has WAY less minis pre-sculpted (let alone painted and 360 shot). If we were to sculpt even more stuff before launching the campaign we'd have needed a lot more time which was not an option (don't know how much, but certainly many many months)... besides the economical damage for not releasing them for retail sales in the meanwhile... :-)
Ah, for the gold coin system. We think it's fairly simple although we can appreciate people wanting to know raw numbers. I can't contradict that :-)

I'm not talking about "value". I make a distinction between campaigns like Mantic's, CMoN, etc - the "tons of figures" campaigns and what I consider the "smaller" ones which range from Avatars of War, Raging Heroes, Red Box, Stonehaven, etc. I'd consider you in the latter field, where it's more about making the products a real thing than a "fake pre-order" with "fake stretch goals".

In the former, I really do expect buckets of low-priced models that aren't necessarily going to be great quality. In the latter type of campaigns, I expect far fewer freebies (though a few are always nice of course), but higher quality models. I'd put yours in the latter.

Massive delays and badly-run campaigns are a separate category that run across both types of campaign.

My concerns at this stage are around the huge drop in the AU$ and not actually needing any more figures - so being very much more picky with what I want to buy, especially since I'm clearly going to die with thousands of unbuilt models, so I figure I may as well buy fewer of them...

As for the line art, I of course understand that not everything can be sculpted, but I did expect more to be done. I'm a bit surprised that initial figures like the Valley Orcs (Hero/Warlord) aren't done for example, and showing the line art for the Mammoth when there are some nice looking WIP sculpts makes me wonder why they are not shown on the front page instead or at least alongside?

I dislike meta-currencies because they obscure the actual cost of items, so if a buyer likes the look of a /whatever/ they need to convert the coins to money to work out the cost. I mean, if 3 gold pieces = $9, why not just call it $9? More straightforward and upfront, the way I see it - and you guys have always been straightforward and upfront, which is why it seems odd from you. I guess it lets you play with value amounts with the pledge levels, so it's that - but even then it obscures your better deals by that additional step

"$270 worth of models for $258 (plus shipping)" becomes "90 coins for $258 (plus shipping)" followed by "How much is that actually?" - if you see what I mean.

 Azazelx wrote:

As for the line art, I of course understand that not everything can be sculpted, but I did expect more to be done. I'm a bit surprised that initial figures like the Valley Orcs (Hero/Warlord) aren't done for example, and showing the line art for the Mammoth when there are some nice looking WIP sculpts makes me wonder why they are not shown on the front page instead or at least alongside?

Most of the early miniatures already have fully painted versions including the Valley Orcs. You can click on the images to view them.


So far I adore all the models shown. The only problem I really have is with some of the pricing, such as the Lion Riders at retail price of €27.90 for a single model. Outside the kickstarter I would probably never buy these as I can get a regiment of 20 models for less.

So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Hm.. that lion rider's description says that it doesn't come with the pictured base, but you can buy them in the BItz secton of the SW website.. except they're not in there.

 Azazelx wrote:
So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Hm.. that lion rider's description says that it doesn't come with the pictured base, but you can buy them in the BItz secton of the SW website.. except they're not in there.

It's been pointed out to them multiple times that they would be better served by showing the most complete version of each mini, or even at least indicate on the images that there are more if you click on them. They sent an update mentioning you can click on some, but that doesn't help the new potential pledger coming to the project. They've made a number of really odd choices. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of new people are coming to the project, seeing so much "incomplete", and writing it off as pie in the sky. And the choice to push Shieldmaidens back and making Orcs the first plastic goal seems super silly to me. I'm expecting this to taper off and fall into KS doldrums from here on. I'll be super happy to be proven wrong, at least the dragon should pull in some more money, although being beyond the concept stage would be nice as that sculptor is kinda hit or miss for me.

Amusing that they are totally ignoring all comments about using MIKH.

It is strange that a company that has been promoting for months about a project filled with half a dozen factions full of HIPS kits won't show anything more than sketches when they actually launch their project.

Didnt Toughest Girls of the Galaxy get over half a million while only showing like five actual sculpts by the time it was done? Maybe SW should incorporate larger breasts.