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Post by: Kdash
tneva82 wrote:Kdash wrote:So, i posted this on a youtube vid going on about the sets, so i'm going to copy it here as it shares my thoughts on why we have these 40k boxes over other things and why they make sense. (Sorry if i'm repeating what others have said, not read through it all yet!)
Primaris are the main poster boys of the new setting. No matter what we were always going to get a box set of them. Necrons, Admech and Craftworld are all nice deals, each of which is building off a "starter" style box set released this year - same goes for the standard Primaris. So in a way, these additions make a lot of sense for the newer players who have got into the game off the back of these sets. We also know from the WC article that we are getting a Death Guard box, so that covers those as well.. Orks were NEVER going to get a xmas box. It is way to close to the codex release and they are pushing the new models hard. GW get a lot of backlash already from players, imagine the outcry from everyone jumping into Orks for the codex in November, only to release that if they'd waited 4-6 weeks they could have saved themselves several hundred £s. Likewise, GSC aren't going to get a box set as they got one last year (iirc) and their codex hasn't been released yet. I imagine they could possibly be getting their own box around their codex release as a mini-game, as that seems to be the current trend. I don't think Chaos would have got a box this year, simply because of Blackstone Fortress. We can see that they are getting new standard marine kits, however, we don't know when and which kits will be upgraded. Why sell a box full of old Chaos Marine models when the vast majority of Chaos players would just hold and wait for the new upgraded kits to be released? Likewise with all the traitor Guard stuff. Likewise with Chaos Daemons. We are getting new Khorne and Slaanesh models in their AoS Realm of Chaos? box set sometime soon. I think T'au got a box last year as well, so that might be another reason why they didn't get one this year. Only other factions left are Nids, Drukhari and Harlequinns (and the chapter specific Marines). Quinns could have made an interesting box, but it wouldn't have contained much, and what would honestly go into a Drukhari box set and be reasonable? The way their codex is split would leave 66% of the Drukhari players disappointed. Also it'd have meant 2 Aeldari box sets, so we'd be in the same situation as "2 Primaris box sets". Nids however, i guess were just the one that didn't make the cut between Eldar, Admech and Necrons.
The big standout for these box sets is the Imperial Fists one. This is potentially huge for Marines of all Chapters going forward, but it is also a potential spoiler. Players have been crying out for so long for upgrade kits for all the Chapters. This might be the start of the request becoming a reality. Who knows, after the Founding Chapters have kits, maybe Guard Regiment upgrade kits could be next. But, spoiler wise, my first thoughts was "wow, is this an indication that the next Primarch is going to be Dorn, and it'll be relatively early on in 2019?" If Dorn is the next Primarch, these upgrade kits will sell incredibly well and quickly. It'd be the same if the next Primarch was Corax and the upgrade kit was Raven Guard etc. The Imperial Fists set is nothing but a potential good sign for the future of army customisation.
Couple things:
a) Just becase orks got new buggies doesn't mean those would have to be in the box and indeed as the discount boxes tend to be by old already paid for moulds makes sense they would not. Orks have wide amount of plastics to choose. Some boyz, nob, gorkanaut, lootas and mega nobs for example(haven't calculated what kind of box would be equilavent so just random example) and the new kits wouldn't be bothered.
b) what makes imperial fist upgrade sprue so different to all the other upgrade sprues? Seems more of same expected upgrade sprues slowly to various chapters. Dorn? If upgrade sprue makes you think of Primarch where's the Sanquinus and Lion?-)
It’s not the fact that the Orks got the new buggies etc, it’s more the fact that with Speed Freaks and the Buggies and just the general, likely very high, sales the release of those 2 and the codex has generated, it makes sense to “ride the wave” as such. Besides, as a player, if I jumped into Orks for the first time now, spent £300-500? On Boyz, Buggies, characters etc etc, and then found out later that I could have cut that cost by a 1/3rd I’d been extremely frustrated. Orks also had a box last year.
What makes the Imperial Fists upgrade different is that it is a “vanilla” chapter that’s in a codex dominated by Ultramarines in terms of model and kit support. I’ve personally never seen upgrade kits or specific boxes for Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Salamanders and White Scars outside of their characters (sorry Iron Hands), while I’ve been playing the game. The question I have to ask is “Why now?”. It makes sense to have kits for the BA, DA, DW and SW because they are standalone codices, Primarchs or not. The Imperial Fist upgrade is completely out of the blue and random, and we all know that GW doesn’t really do random releases so it has to be leading somewhere with narrative implications or indicating that GW are finally going to be showing all Chapters (and then other armies beyond that) more specific love.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
What Orks really need is a box of 6 Mek Gunz 
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
 H.B.M.C. wrote:What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
It'll take someone having a good idea of what to do with them, and the passion to carry on with it. That's why we got an entire new Dark Eldar range, and why we're seeing Blackstone Fortress and Kill Team Rogue Trader. Apparently no-one is really enthused about new Eldar models at the moment. Or maybe they are, and we'll find out in six months when they're done.
Possibly it's the logistics of doing the Aspect Warriors in plastic. You might be able to combine Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions in one box, and Howling Banshees and Swooping Hawks in another, or perhaps they'd take the opportunity to add more new Aspects; there's concept art from 1990 of Striking Scorpions with power fists and Dark Reapers with shuriken cannon, for example.
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Post by: tneva82
That would be typical. Having already 5 boxes which will end up with 20 of those buggers they would THEN release discount box
Well then again...I could do with 11 smasha guns or 11 traktor guns!
(I was semi-expecting repackaged battery of 3 of those for price of maybe 2.5 or so myself with ork release but guess not)
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Post by: The Phazer
 Arachnofiend wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
Eldar Aspect Warriors are probably the next meme now that Squats and Sisters have both been satisfied so they'll get their due eventually with enough public pressure. It's bizarre that public pressure is necessary at all though; as much as I personally hate all things knife-eared elves are pretty much always one of the most popular factions in a franchise, right after whatever the mainline human faction is. There's no way a lack of market interest is why GW isn't pushing Eldar models.
TBF, we have very little idea what's coming next year except for Genestealer Cults at the very start and probably new Chaos Marines at some point in the first half. There's likely some Slaanesh, and SOB, but we've got a lot of space still and there's no more codexes. GW have done pretty well by picking off long term sacred cows over the last few years, so I don't think it's so much "public pressure" is needed so much as they have a deliberate strategy now of roughly giving customers what they want (gasp!).
It really wouldn't be a huge surprise if they look to pick off one of the biggest areas in the range that isn't plastic next either. Just like it wouldn't be hugely surprising if we got a recut Guard sprue designed to be upgraded to greatcoats.
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Post by: Arachnofiend
Voss wrote:Whether you (or anyone) personally like elves or not, they're a core warhammer range and aspects have been the core of the army for honestly decades. And they're functionally MIA, and have been for years. There isn't any 'meme' involved. Like many parts of the chaos range, they've been overly neglected for a long, long time. The end of that for daemons is finally in sight, but CSM and eldar still have a long way to go.
I... agree with you? I can express my distaste for elves because I don't decide what GW produces. If it was my job to figure out what to market to make the most profit out of the 40k game then I would look at how knife ears print money for everyone else and push hard for a fully updated Craftworld line. It's blatant from other examples in fantasy media that elves sell.
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Post by: Binabik15
 AndrewGPaul wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:What will it take for GW to finally do something about the Eldar range and make them worth buying again?
And it can't be "They don't sell, so there's no reason to!", 'cause Dark Eldar weren't selling much and they redid their entire range, not leaving a single mini behind except for, I think, Drahzar (or however you spell that).
It'll take someone having a good idea of what to do with them, and the passion to carry on with it. That's why we got an entire new Dark Eldar range, and why we're seeing Blackstone Fortress and Kill Team Rogue Trader. Apparently no-one is really enthused about new Eldar models at the moment. Or maybe they are, and we'll find out in six months when they're done.
Possibly it's the logistics of doing the Aspect Warriors in plastic. You might be able to combine Fire Dragons and Striking Scorpions in one box, and Howling Banshees and Swooping Hawks in another, or perhaps they'd take the opportunity to add more new Aspects; there's concept art from 1990 of Striking Scorpions with power fists and Dark Reapers with shuriken cannon, for example.
Scorpions with claws could be ace. Without Khemri there's a saddening lack of scorpions and similiar critters around. Well, not made of obsidian and metal ones at least.
And new Aspect gear is really easy to write into the background. See, this is Bob the Striking Scorpion with his thrice as bulky exo-armour, looking like a speed-mecha crossed with a scorpion? What? No, he has always been standing there. Maybe you missed him because this huge Space Marine Centurion blocked the view until now.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I keep saying what the Eldar need is to be in a starter set. They could fit a 6-man squad of 3 or 4 different aspects easy and aspects are perfect for push-fit models with no options, without eating up a huge number of SKUs.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
 Binabik15 wrote:
Scorpions with claws could be ace. Without Khemri there's a saddening lack of scorpions and similiar critters around. Well, not made of obsidian and metal ones at least.
And new Aspect gear is really easy to write into the background. See, this is Bob the Striking Scorpion with his thrice as bulky exo-armour, looking like a speed-mecha crossed with a scorpion? What? No, he has always been standing there. Maybe you missed him because this huge Space Marine Centurion blocked the view until now.
Getting a little off-topic now ...
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Post by: Andykp
 Tyranid Horde wrote:That Eldar battleforce is a bit disappointing and consequently I will not be picking it up. I have 28 Guardians which I doubt I'll ever use in a single game and I already have 35 Dire Avengers. I don't need any more I reckon.
I know someone said GW bundle poorly selling units together and the range is limited but damn it's a messy box. You do make a saving yes, but they don't seem to have a target audience in mind for this force.
Most people who have played Eldar for any amount of time have the troops and that bloody farseer (I have two of those), most likely have the bikes as they were the new hotness a few years ago and if anyone played competitively in 6th/7th edition, they had at least one Wraithknight (2+ usually) and won't want any more.
They could have made this box so much better with the addition of a grav tank of some description or even a war walker, something that would give an incentive to pick up a start collecting or the wake the dead box.
I think the target Audience is more someone new to the hobby or starting a new army. I know I look at the ones I already collect but then look at the ones that are an army I’ve always wanted but never started. Like deepkin. Sooo tempted.
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Post by: Overread
Exactly - these boxes are aimed at new players, those who are going to start a new army or flesh out one they've only recently started building. Thus the boxes often contain core content for the arm (eg basic troops) and then GW tries to put something flashy and big into them to sweeten the deal as it were - to make it more tempting. An Eldar player new to the game is most certainly going to be tempted by getting a useful core of troops and a massive walking knight scale model.
Those players are likely not even looking at the competitive meta; and even if they are I bet most would still want a powerful and impressive model. Like it or not the visual aspect of the game is part of the hobby for many players.
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Post by: silverstu
Vigilus is supposed to be central to the next stage of the "40k story" and Eldar are present -maybe they will get a release along with that? The question is what are GW going to do with established armies- are they going to remake elements or are they going to look for something new? Most eldar players have loads of old aspect warriors - mine are all the original 2nd ed versions and there are heaps on eBay. They would need to bring them out in a really new fresh way- bring back a bit of the esoteric and eldritch flavour rather than the austere look. Jes seemed to say he felt it was time for a new look for eldar when he was talking about the Ynnari designs. I could see the Ynnari flavour coming through in new aspects designs, or they could do something new like proper corsairs or exodites.
The other idea could be to fill out the different craft worlds - SaimHann forces are on Vigilus, Jes mentioned having ideas for different types of Jetbikes when he first unveiled the new bike designs- maybe we will see wild riders, scout bikes and shining spears? Maybe aspects will come from a Biel Tan story line.
The eldar foot line needs a refresh - I've been collecting since RT days and I'm bored looking at them these days..
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else
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Post by: Overread
 lord_blackfang wrote:Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else
If GW did Eldar Exodites Knights and have 6 different kits with dragon mounted eldar I'd be all over it in seconds!
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
I'd rather have Exodites with Towering Destroyer, Fire Gale and Bright Stallion Knights.
And a 3CP stratagem where they stampede a herd of megadons across the battlefield. 
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Post by: Geifer
While I can't rule out that something shifty is going on with those Imperial Fists, personally I wouldn't read too much into it. If we saw a Raven Guard of White Scar upgrade sprue show up out of nowhere, that might be a good time to start speculating. But Imperial Fists have always taken that odd spot between supported range and total neglect that other chapters are divided into.Oftentimes when GW wants to branch out from the Big 4, you'll get the Sons of Dorn. Always has been like this. And then it's right back to Bloodblood Murderwolves.
Not that I'd mind seeing more Imperial Fists action, mind you.
 silverstu wrote:Vigilus is supposed to be central to the next stage of the " 40k story" and Eldar are present -maybe they will get a release along with that? The question is what are GW going to do with established armies- are they going to remake elements or are they going to look for something new? Most eldar players have loads of old aspect warriors - mine are all the original 2nd ed versions and there are heaps on eBay. They would need to bring them out in a really new fresh way- bring back a bit of the esoteric and eldritch flavour rather than the austere look. Jes seemed to say he felt it was time for a new look for eldar when he was talking about the Ynnari designs. I could see the Ynnari flavour coming through in new aspects designs, or they could do something new like proper corsairs or exodites.
The other idea could be to fill out the different craft worlds - SaimHann forces are on Vigilus, Jes mentioned having ideas for different types of Jetbikes when he first unveiled the new bike designs- maybe we will see wild riders, scout bikes and shining spears? Maybe aspects will come from a Biel Tan story line.
The eldar foot line needs a refresh - I've been collecting since RT days and I'm bored looking at them these days..
I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.
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Post by: Jacob29
I don't think new Aspect Warriors will ever be released.
I am almost certain GW would much rather do what they did in AoS and branch into different types of Eldar instead and develop new models.
Sad as I will never complete my collection, but well.. I can't blame them.
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Post by: aracersss
could exclusive IF upgrade pack foresee a possible Dorn?
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Post by: silverstu
lord_blackfang wrote:Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else
That what I was thinking they might do [except with the bikes] - they took a faction within a faction and did a full release around it. I think GW will be looking to do brand new things to us not remake old units again. Jes implied he was ready to take the eldar design in a new direction, Aly Morrison also said that they consider all the main factions to be complete- other than the odd hero most factions just got a new codex and maybe dice and that's it.
Atia also implied the possibility of Exodites coming when Genestealer Cults appeared..
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Post by: Jacob29
silverstu wrote: lord_blackfang wrote:Let's go the Ork route and have a release of 6 different plastic Vypers and nothing else
That what I was thinking they might do [except with the bikes] - they took a faction within a faction and did a full release around it. I think GW will be looking to do brand new things to us not remake old units again. Jes implied he was ready to take the eldar design in a new direction, Aly Morrison also said that they consider all the main factions to be complete- other than the odd hero most factions just got a new codex and maybe dice and that's it.
Atia also implied the possibility of Exodites coming when Genestealer Cults appeared..
This makes me sad :(
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Possibly. Or an expansion for the Space Marines Codex. Who knows. I would be happy with either or both.
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Post by: aka_mythos
H.B.M.C. wrote:Honestly the Imperial Fist upgrade sprue, assuming it's real, is important because it's not the main four (Ultras/ BA/ DA/Woofs) or even Templars. They've done joint Imperial/Crimson Fists before in some very old metal conversion packs, and of course the DW kit has a ton of different Chapter pads, but this is an Imperial Fist army. The last time GW did that... well...
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I think the DW kit is precisely why we're able to get this and maybe other chapters in the future. For these side Chapters they have the digital assets they created for the different DW shoulder pads. The upgrade sprue is usually a weapon or two, a couple heads, a torso, and a bunch of said shoulder pads. More than half that sprue exists. The heads on some of the upgrade sprues are clearly just chapter specific modifications to existing head sculpts... again another part mostly done... same with some of the weapons... so they spend minimal time modifying a few pieces, making only one or two completely unique ones and they have ready design.
Their digital assets library has been steadily growing and its become apparent that they're much more willing now to reuse more and more pre-existing assets. Lets be honest, most of what space marine's need to distinguish their chapter at the most basic level, are those kind of details. While GW gets a hard time for all the marines, I think its clear they are putting more resources into non-marines than they have in the past and haven't been cranking out chapter specific primaris from the main 4. With diverted resources chapter sprues are a good way to have a steady stream of marine products without significant time investment.
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Post by: EnTyme
 vaklor4 wrote:As a Khorne Bloodbound player, is the Slaves to Darkness box worth it? The Knights are fairly redundant, as are the Warriors when I already have Skullcrushers and Blood Warriors, but the Chariot, Shrine, Chimera Lord and whatever blurry image mess are in it seem to serve a unique role. Am I better off just buying the stuff individually instead of paying for the knights and warriors?
I recommend any Chaos Mortal player keeps a healthy contingent of Slaves to Darkness units around to fill out your roster. As far as the units in the battleforce for a Khorne player, Knights fill a slightly different role from Skullcrushers as they're just a little faster with a slightly better shield ability (Skullcrushers' shields only work against MW from magic, but Knights' shields work against all MW) and a slighlty more consistent banner buff (you have to kill a model with the Skullcrushers before their buff kicks in, which isn't that hard, but still . . .). Personally, I prefer the Skullcrushers, but a unit of Knights makes for a good hammer to smash into a Warriors anvil. Speaking of which, I prefer Chaos Warriors to Blood Warriors any day of the weak. They're much more durable and almost as killy. I don't know if I'm just not using Blood Warriors right, but they just feel like a points sink to me. Their only real benefit IMO is that they can attack after dying, so you can potentially attack twice with some of the models in a single turn, but their attacks are just decent, so I don't really feel like I'm doing much with it.
The real winner in this kit is the Chaos Warshrine. It's a Priest, so you can slap a Mark of Khorne on it and gain a free prayer to use every turn in addition to its normal prayer. Also note that you can build both lords for the Lord on Manticore and swap them out easily, meaning you're kind of getting two kits in one there. Just a cool kit as well, IMO.
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Post by: Crazyterran
The Imperial Fist upgrade kit/mega force makes me wonder if a golden primarch is going to make a return as well.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 Crazyterran wrote:The Imperial Fist upgrade kit/mega force makes me wonder if a golden primarch is going to make a return as well.
God, I hope so. Would be the first (only) Imperial Primarch I’ll pick up. Meanwhile I’d buy literally every Daemon Primarch that hits the market.
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Post by: Eldarsif
My personal prediction regarding the Aeldari is that any new kits will be most likely related to Ynnari in some way. At best they might double the kit as a Craftworld / Ynnari unit if we're lucky.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Geifer wrote:
I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.
If that were to come to pass, I'd still hope to see any new Ynnari kits be dual-kits that could make the aspect warriors for Crftworld and something new and fancy. That would be.. what? five kits? (as we already have DA) That should theoretically be doable. Shining Spears and other add-on aspects could come along later. Or not at all if we finally got some new kits.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Eldar and Dark Eldar saw changes in their start collecting boxes. Would be cool to see some other factions do the same, like Orks with a mek, 10 boyz, 5 lootas, and a mek gun. Skitarii with a techpriest enginseer, rangers, 5 ruststalkers, and a dunestrider.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
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Post by: Jidmah
 Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
... it's not? The only unit that's not great in that box would be killa kanz, and even they aren't horrible.
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Post by: Bellerophon
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
Grots are love. Grots are life.
Geifer wrote:
I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.
This is why I'm a little bit wary of new Eldar. As much as I'd love to see new Aspect Warriors that fit in with the established Craftworlds aesthetic (so pretty much the 'look' of the current ones, but in plastic with more options and more varied/dynamic poses), I've got a bit of a "be careful what you wish for" thing going on. I can see the line getting overhauled Ynnari style, and if the triumvirate is an indicator then I don't really like Ynnari style. So I hope for proper new Aspects, and if GW go in another direction, well at least I've got a mountain of metal ones to keep me going. It just means that when I want more I've got to trawl ebay rather than buying new. I've got a bit more hopeful recently though, given that the new Chaos marines do seem to be an update of the existing ones rather than something entirely new (Primaris Chaos, or anything like that), and the Wake the Dead spiritseer is very much a Craftworlds model. It's not much to go on, but it's something that indicates that they are still willing to update old lines. What we've seen of the new SoB look like classic sisters too, updated to the new plastic tech. We shall see, but I suspect that they are starting to realise that there is perhaps a bigger market for updates of old lines than they thought there was, rather than just doing entirely new stuff.
While we're waiting I'll buy a copy or two of this Battleforce...
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Post by: Geifer
 Azazelx wrote: Geifer wrote:
I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.
If that were to come to pass, I'd still hope to see any new Ynnari kits be dual-kits that could make the aspect warriors for Crftworld and something new and fancy. That would be.. what? five kits? (as we already have DA) That should theoretically be doable. Shining Spears and other add-on aspects could come along later. Or not at all if we finally got some new kits.
That would be great. It seems GW is mostly set against cross-faction boxes, though. Not sure why, but it certainly put Chaos in a pretty dire position in the past when all they had to do was add a Chaos upgrade sprue to a good number of Imperial things. Would be great if GW changed there approach, even if I'm not hopeful that anything like that will happen.
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Post by: tneva82
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
Ummm...Grots are basically mandatory now, mek gun boxes are good. SAG is bit non-spammable(though deathskulls could make that work). Only bad thing about that is killa kanz but if discount would be enough kans were basically free that would be must-buy for new ork armies.
Also you realize you listed 114€ worth of stuff for 65€ start collectin box? I think ork players would be happy to take the bad killa kans with it seeing you would even without them get 78€ worth of stuff for 65€. And those 78€ are all good options...
Yeah cry all you wish. Orks meanwhile would be buying those boxes.
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Post by: Geifer
 Bellerophon wrote: Geifer wrote:
I'm tempted to say with GW's focus on new things and tie-ins into the ongoing storyline the best one can hope for Craftworld Eldar is what's they've been doing so far - a couple of kits with a new codex and that's it. We have snake elves and fish elves now while the classics like High Elves and Dark Elves and the non-wood part of Wood Elves languish. I think we'll see the same in 40k. Slaanesh is coming and while the big comeback is more of a AoS thing, it'll find its way into 40k as well simply because there will be new kits. Ynnari have already been established as the antagonist to Slaanesh, and I suspect GW will put out a lot of kits to make it its own faction instead of having to draw from the current Eldar lines with only a character making it actual Ynnari.
This is why I'm a little bit wary of new Eldar. As much as I'd love to see new Aspect Warriors that fit in with the established Craftworlds aesthetic (so pretty much the 'look' of the current ones, but in plastic with more options and more varied/dynamic poses), I've got a bit of a "be careful what you wish for" thing going on. I can see the line getting overhauled Ynnari style, and if the triumvirate is an indicator then I don't really like Ynnari style. So I hope for proper new Aspects, and if GW go in another direction, well at least I've got a mountain of metal ones to keep me going. It just means that when I want more I've got to trawl ebay rather than buying new. I've got a bit more hopeful recently though, given that the new Chaos marines do seem to be an update of the existing ones rather than something entirely new (Primaris Chaos, or anything like that), and the Wake the Dead spiritseer is very much a Craftworlds model. It's not much to go on, but it's something that indicates that they are still willing to update old lines. What we've seen of the new SoB look like classic sisters too, updated to the new plastic tech. We shall see, but I suspect that they are starting to realise that there is perhaps a bigger market for updates of old lines than they thought there was, rather than just doing entirely new stuff.
While we're waiting I'll buy a copy or two of this Battleforce...
Yeah, I may be a little jaded from my Warhammer Fantasy experience where the core troops were age old trash and instead of releasing new models for the most important unit in the army, they went and released big monsters. And of course they topped it off with my beloved Tomb Kings. Instead of fixing the ancient bobblehead skeletons, they made new elite skeletons with bobbleheads to fit with models that shouldn't even exist anymore...
I've long been critical of GW's approach. I'm not really opposed to the designers saying a line is finished and they want to do something new, but at least it should be updated to roughly the same standard before they leave it on the wayside. Necrons are a bit in this position. Most of the range is in plastic and looks internally consistent. If I never get a new Necron model, I still have a complete range to work with. Except Fayled Ones, but as always that's just my luck. But Eldar and Chaos Marines, for instance, vary in quality so much that I don't know why anyone would bother with at least a portion of the ranges at all. That's just not good for the entire range.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
tneva82 wrote: Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
Ummm...Grots are basically mandatory now, mek gun boxes are good. SAG is bit non-spammable(though deathskulls could make that work). Only bad thing about that is killa kanz but if discount would be enough kans were basically free that would be must-buy for new ork armies.
Also you realize you listed 114€ worth of stuff for 65€ start collectin box? I think ork players would be happy to take the bad killa kans with it seeing you would even without them get 78€ worth of stuff for 65€. And those 78€ are all good options...
Yeah cry all you wish. Orks meanwhile would be buying those boxes.
Based on the Australian prices it's only $10AUD more savings than the current (out of stock) SC! box.
Are Grots really that good now? I was under the impression from people around here that Boyz are still better overall despite the points increase.
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Post by: tneva82
Matt.Kingsley wrote:tneva82 wrote: Matt.Kingsley wrote:I'd laugh if the Orks got a "Grot Themed" SC! box that was a SAG Big Mek, Grots and Runtherd, Mek Gun, and Killa Kanz.
Then I'd cry for Ork players everywhere because that'd be a horrible SC! box.
Ummm...Grots are basically mandatory now, mek gun boxes are good. SAG is bit non-spammable(though deathskulls could make that work). Only bad thing about that is killa kanz but if discount would be enough kans were basically free that would be must-buy for new ork armies.
Also you realize you listed 114€ worth of stuff for 65€ start collectin box? I think ork players would be happy to take the bad killa kans with it seeing you would even without them get 78€ worth of stuff for 65€. And those 78€ are all good options...
Yeah cry all you wish. Orks meanwhile would be buying those boxes.
Based on the Australian prices it's only $10AUD more savings than the current (out of stock) SC! box.
Are Grots really that good now? I was under the impression from people around here that Boyz are still better overall despite the points increase.
Think your math is off. Went to australian size. SAG(41)+killa kan(67)+mekgun(74)+grots(28)=210. Start collecting 140. Okay if you remove killa kans saving is not that big but hey it's basically free killa kans+slight discount for rest. Sell killa kans if you don't want to keep them(remember eventually GW will buff them to be new hottness). Anyway that's then australians who are getting(as usual) screwed. I already showed how good deal it is in euros and I wouldn't be surprised if UK is even better(and that's the main market for them)
And yes grots are already good. They were good before and now...Well orks are now super CP hungry. I had yesterday 13 CP and was down to 1 after 1st turn(6 CP for 3 teleports, 2 for prepared positions(this was mistake), 2 for more dakka, 1 for command reroll. 1 for bellowing clouds). Albeit could have saved 2. Grots allow cheapish 2-3 battallions( HQ's are killers). They are also good for grot screen to protect lootas/tankbustas/mega nobs. And they are lot better than more than twice as expensive boys as objective campers. Boyz meanwhile are relegated to charge out of deep strike role.
Good luck filling 6/9 troop slots with 7 pts boyz. If they are ones that make punch then combined with HQ's not much room for rest. and 10 strong ones aren't that hot. Except maybe with deathskulls and rokkit but that sorts 1 detachment. Whatabout evil suns for deep striking deffdreads or bad moons for tank bustas/lootas?
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
I mean the value of the ork SC, not $10 over the actual price of the boxset. Painboy + Nobz + Boyz + Dread = $200AUD
Seems I was wrong about the hypothetical unit selection being bad though. I don't play Orks and was just going off what locals were saying (Kanz are bad, Grotz are ok but worse than Boyz, multiple SAGs aren't good if you aren't Deathskullz)
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Post by: tneva82
Matt.Kingsley wrote:I mean the value of the ork SC, not $10 over the actual price of the boxset. Painboy + Nobz + Boyz + Dread = $200AUD
Seems I was wrong about the hypothetical unit selection being bad though. I don't play Orks and was just going off what locals were saying (Kanz are bad, Grotz are ok but worse than Boyz, multiple SAGs aren't good if you aren't Deathskullz)
Ah I was calculating how good value the SAG box would be. Not comparing that to existing SC.
Would be interesting to know how they plan to fund 6/9 troop slots without grots! The orks have so many effective strategems problem is funding down them all. Loota can easily use 4-5 per turn for example. Tellyporta...Fight again. Green tide if you get chance. Grot screen...2 battallions or brigade seems like mandatory. And then 1 clan isn't good for everything so you often want second detachment as well if not 3.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
tneva82 wrote: Matt.Kingsley wrote:I mean the value of the ork SC, not $10 over the actual price of the boxset. Painboy + Nobz + Boyz + Dread = $200AUD
Seems I was wrong about the hypothetical unit selection being bad though. I don't play Orks and was just going off what locals were saying (Kanz are bad, Grotz are ok but worse than Boyz, multiple SAGs aren't good if you aren't Deathskullz)
Ah I was calculating how good value the SAG box would be. Not comparing that to existing SC.
Would be interesting to know how they plan to fund 6/9 troop slots without grots! The orks have so many effective strategems problem is funding down them all. Loota can easily use 4-5 per turn for example. Tellyporta...Fight again. Green tide if you get chance. Grot screen...2 battallions or brigade seems like mandatory. And then 1 clan isn't good for everything so you often want second detachment as well if not 3.
Some of them do still plan on using Grots, but no more than 30 of them in a Weirdboy Battalion.
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Post by: Orrus
My money is on an Ork Start Collecting kit consisting of:
Grukk, Boyz, Trukk and Warbikes. The SAG seems too niche to me. Still could be the case though, there aren't many Plastic HQs to choose from.
I'm slightly concerned that GW might be toning down the savings on some of the bundles/games. Speed Freeks wasn't quite what I was expecting and that munitions hub is quite a small saving considering the large price tag.
Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 Orrus wrote:My money is on an Ork Start Collecting kit consisting of:
Grukk, Boyz, Trukk and Warbikes. The SAG seems too niche to me. Still could be the case though, there aren't many Plastic HQs to choose from.
I'm slightly concerned that GW might be toning down the savings on some of the bundles/games. Speed Freeks wasn't quite what I was expecting and that munitions hub is quite a small saving considering the large price tag.
Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
Speed freaks was 2 $45 buggies, 2 $41.25 biker kits, and half of a $40 terrain set, plus cardboard and dice. About $192.50 for $150. Not terrible savings.
Munitorum hub is 3 and 1/3 $50 sets of containers and 2 $40 cranes, so about $234 for 210. Not a huge percentage, but the real problem is that they came out with killzone munitorum with 2 sets of crates and a crane at $140 for $80, a far better savings. 2 killzones gets you 2 extra crates over the hub and for $50 cheaper.
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Post by: Souleater
C'mon, GW. Put these up for sale now, Dammit!
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Post by: phillv85
Please don't, my wallet can;t take it yet
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Post by: Krinsath
Yeah...I would like a few of them. I know the Wraithknight isn't all that, but I don't have the model and the rest of the units in it are useful even if I probably have enough Guardians. I also probably have enough DoK in terms of what I'd ever get assembled and painted, but can you ever have enough witch elves? So I fear those two could be likely acquisitions.
And between Forgebane and Kill Team I appear to have a decent chunk of Skitarii lying around. Would the AdMech box in combination make for a reasonable AdMech force?
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I'm a little disappointed with the azyrite township. I was hoping the second floor wall pieces would be separate so you could have more of the intact archways there to provide cover for models on the second floor, but the walls are one piece with both storeys.
Also not very modular. There's only two ways for it to go together. And since the two big floor pieces are both corner pieces, there's really no way to get a long section of second floor to put a decent number of models on.
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Post by: Orrus
 MajorWesJanson wrote: Orrus wrote:My money is on an Ork Start Collecting kit consisting of:
Grukk, Boyz, Trukk and Warbikes. The SAG seems too niche to me. Still could be the case though, there aren't many Plastic HQs to choose from.
I'm slightly concerned that GW might be toning down the savings on some of the bundles/games. Speed Freeks wasn't quite what I was expecting and that munitions hub is quite a small saving considering the large price tag.
Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
Speed freaks was 2 $45 buggies, 2 $41.25 biker kits, and half of a $40 terrain set, plus cardboard and dice. About $192.50 for $150. Not terrible savings.
Munitorum hub is 3 and 1/3 $50 sets of containers and 2 $40 cranes, so about $234 for 210. Not a huge percentage, but the real problem is that they came out with killzone munitorum with 2 sets of crates and a crane at $140 for $80, a far better savings. 2 killzones gets you 2 extra crates over the hub and for $50 cheaper.
Not enough of a saving on the Munitions Hub in my view.
The Killzone Munitorum box and Kill Team Boxed set (with Genestealer Cults and Skitarii Rangers) have been out of stock in the UK for quite some time now. I might have missed the boat on good value terrain bundles.
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Post by: Luciferian
I'm not going to buy it, but the ruined factory set is really cool. I like that they added industrial style Mechanicus walls to the new modular ruins system, hopefully that set isn't the only way to get them.
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Post by: stato
 Albino Squirrel wrote:I'm a little disappointed with the azyrite township. I was hoping the second floor wall pieces would be separate so you could have more of the intact archways there to provide cover for models on the second floor, but the walls are one piece with both storeys.
Also not very modular. There's only two ways for it to go together. And since the two big floor pieces are both corner pieces, there's really no way to get a long section of second floor to put a decent number of models on.
Fancy posting a picture of the sprues or parts? images are still not on the GW site or anywhere online.
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Post by: Orrus
The Orks start collecting kit has reappeared on the UK webstore. Marked as Temporarily out of stock but same as before.
Not sure if that means anything.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
 Krinsath wrote:Yeah...I would like a few of them. I know the Wraithknight isn't all that, but I don't have the model and the rest of the units in it are useful even if I probably have enough Guardians. I also probably have enough DoK in terms of what I'd ever get assembled and painted, but can you ever have enough witch elves? So I fear those two could be likely acquisitions.
And between Forgebane and Kill Team I appear to have a decent chunk of Skitarii lying around. Would the AdMech box in combination make for a reasonable AdMech force?
You'd have 30 skitarii, a Dominus, an enginseer, some infiltrators, a couple of Kastellan, an Onager, and two Armigers. You'd have about 1000pts and a decent enough batallion for friendly games. Not crazy competitive but it'll be good enough. Buy a big knight to back up the Armigers and that gets you well on your way to a full size army. From there you'd probably want more Kastellan, Cawl (if you want to go Mars) sydonian Dragoons, or Onagers depending on where you want to go. Another enginseer wouldnt hurt for a cheap second HQ either. The start collecting boxes are also a good value cashwise but you'll find like all other admech players you quickly end up with more dominuses than you know what to do with.
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Post by: rtb02
Orrus wrote:The Orks start collecting kit has reappeared on the UK webstore. Marked as Temporarily out of stock but same as before.
Not sure if that means anything.
Base sizes updated. Done.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Krinsath wrote:
And between Forgebane and Kill Team I appear to have a decent chunk of Skitarii lying around. Would the AdMech box in combination make for a reasonable AdMech force?
The starter, plus forgebane and kill team core would give you a domino's and enginseer, and 3 squads of skitarii, so enough for a battalion. Dunecrawlers and robots are pretty solid, and the 2 armigers could either be a unit as a superheavy aux detachment, or add a full size knight to get a superheavy detachment and the cp from it. The main problem with the bundle is that it really overlaps the getting started box, with the on ager and troops duplicated.
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Post by: Lord Perversor
Adding a little snippet of info my local Redshirt told me today there is at least 1 maybe 2 exclusive models that may show up before Xmas (he said prolly for the 26th since they have some kind of huge season event in store) but he's still on the dark about the true nature of those.
His personal bet and hope it's the already previewed Sister miniature.
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Post by: phillv85
They did Sly Marbo last year, do they normally have an exclusive Christmas mini?
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Post by: Voss
rtb02 wrote: Orrus wrote:The Orks start collecting kit has reappeared on the UK webstore. Marked as Temporarily out of stock but same as before.
Not sure if that means anything.
Base sizes updated. Done.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. The tankbustas, kommandos and Warboss Grukk's Boss Mob (a nobs box + warboss) all have 32 mm bases. Or at least the text says they do on the US site. The pictures are still the old ones on 25mm bases.
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Post by: cole1114
I really hope the rumor I saw about older christmas boxes coming back is true. Especially if there's any chance of the deathwatch box being one of them.
Supposedly the space wolves one was mentioned in the rumor though that was just something I heard from a friend so I trust it about as much as I trust door to door salespeople.
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Post by: The Phazer
 Lord Perversor wrote:Adding a little snippet of info my local Redshirt told me today there is at least 1 maybe 2 exclusive models that may show up before Xmas (he said prolly for the 26th since they have some kind of huge season event in store) but he's still on the dark about the true nature of those.
His personal bet and hope it's the already previewed Sister miniature.
Primaris Lieutenant wearing a santa hat.
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
Battleforce preorders are up 24th Nov.
GW has done an instore mini two years running on Boxing Day - Primus Meducae in 16, Sly 17.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
I really don't need any more Primaris right now. But I'm still checking out Crimson Fists gallery's and painting tips
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Post by: John Prins
Ordered a Sector Imperialis from Meeplemart. I was tempted by the plasma conduit set to fill out my mechanicus terrain, but I have Mantic pipes galore already.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Primus Medicae was FW though, wasn't it?
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Post by: ImAGeek
It was, but sold through GW stores.
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Post by: Clanan
Are the US prices for these known yet?
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Post by: Cataphract
170$ Ain’t bad at all.
So if these are coming out on the 24th for Pre Order we can expect on Dec 8 for Wrath and Glory
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Post by: TwilightSparkles
I highly doubt we see Wrath this year, late November is usually the latest we’ve historically seen a major release. I think December will be Black Library , Hobbit rerelease and book, made to order miniatures, possibly the first WHQ add on product.
They’ll probably use the new year open day to show Wrath, the next open day is Vigilus so I don’t think they’ll show an AoS based product (yes I know it can be used in 40k but it’s AoS based story wise)
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Post by: cole1114
 TwilightSparkles wrote:I highly doubt we see Wrath this year, late November is usually the latest we’ve historically seen a major release. I think December will be Black Library , Hobbit rerelease and book, made to order miniatures, possibly the first WHQ add on product.
They’ll probably use the new year open day to show Wrath, the next open day is Vigilus so I don’t think they’ll show an AoS based product (yes I know it can be used in 40k but it’s AoS based story wise)
Maybe the 40k part of Wrath and Glory will be on Vigilus?
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Post by: Tonhel
TwilightSparkles wrote:I highly doubt we see Wrath this year, late November is usually the latest we’ve historically seen a major release. I think December will be Black Library , Hobbit rerelease and book, made to order miniatures, possibly the first WHQ add on product.
They’ll probably use the new year open day to show Wrath, the next open day is Vigilus so I don’t think they’ll show an AoS based product (yes I know it can be used in 40k but it’s AoS based story wise)
I think we will see everything that was previewed by GW released before 2019.
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Post by: Overread
They previewed quite a bit for Wrath, showing off formally several models and the cover art, which shows two other new contents in the form of the two heroes. Right now we basically know the box content in terms of models, unless GW has even more new stuff hiding (which would be nice but is unlikely).
Whilst the leak of the Fiend of Slaanesh might have pushed them to reveal a bit more earlier, I don't think they'd have shown all they have thus far if it was a very long way off. I think it will come right after Blackstone and hopefully this year. That said the Delaque also have to be slipped in as well and they got a full proper showcase.
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Post by: phillv85
I got the Christmas gift guide today, and can confirm the prices for the battleboxes haven't changed from what I can see:
UK £100
Europe 130E
USA $170
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
phillv85 wrote:I got the Christmas gift guide today, and can confirm the prices for the battleboxes haven't changed from what I can see:
UK £100
Europe 130E
USA $170
Can you make out if the Supremacy Force actually includes Imperial Fist shoulder pauldrons?
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Got a copy of the gift guide in an order as well. The pics are really small so its hard to make out any details at all.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
GoatboyBeta wrote:Got a copy of the gift guide in an order as well. The pics are really small so its hard to make out any details at all.
Sounds good. Oh well. I am probably still going to buy the box with a buddy of mine and split it up so I can have all the upgrade Sprues if they are in it.
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Post by: barboggo
I keep confusing Wrath and Glory and Wrath and Rapture. Can someone explain the difference?
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Post by: lord_blackfang
 barboggo wrote:I keep confusing Wrath and Glory and Wrath and Rapture. Can someone explain the difference?
Wrath and Glory is the current edition of 40k pen and paper RPG (and utter garbage)
Wrath and Rapture is the upcoming Khorne vs Slaanesh army box.
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Post by: barboggo
Ok got it thanks. It's especially confusing because I am only interested in one of those things and they seem to be teasing both of them at the same time.
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Post by: Mandragola
So far as I can see the Imperial Fist deal is far worse than the standard marine one. It’s 20 models instead of 25 and a redemptor instead of a repulsor. The aggressors the fists get are cheaper than the inceptors the marines get too. From the pic it even looks like the redemptor might be the easy to build one - though I couldn’t say that for certain.
The only positive is that I don’t think the fists get any reivers In their box, while 5-10 of the marines seem to be reivers. Looks like the fists get 10 intercessors and 5 hellblasters, which is arguably a better deal than 10 intercessors and 10 reivers.
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Post by: Kanluwen
They don't put the easy builds into these boxes. So it's not those.
The price on the 'standard' Marine one is bulked up by the presence of the Repulsor Grav-Tank.
That's $80 vs the $65 for the Redemptor.
Then you have 10 Reivers at $60 vs 5 Helblasters for $35.
Both have Intercessors in sets of 10 it seems, for $60 each.
Aggressors and Inceptors both are $50 for each.
And then lastly you have the Primaris Captain for $35 each.
80(1 Repulsor)+60(10 Reivers)+60(10 Intercessors)+50(3 Inceptors)+35(1 Captain)=285
65(1 Redemptor)+35(1 Captain)+35(5 Helblasters)+50(3 Aggressor)+60(10 Intercessors)=245
$40 difference which equates to the $15 difference in the Repulsor vs Redemptor and the $25 difference for the Reivers vs Helblaster.
Although it is worth mentioning that the Fists one is supposed to include the new upgrade pack which would be $12.50 for each set, so that's another $25 at least for 2 frames.
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Post by: stato
So it seems a lot of People buying the new Townscape AoS scenery found it to contain a different sprue than on the box (it showed a building previously only available in the more expensive Hallowheart board set.
GW has issued a response...
"Hail Faithful of Sigmar,
Through the machinations of Tzeentch warping space and time, it has come to our attention that the Azyrite Ruins as listed on the Webstore pictures were incorrect, as this product had changed some time ago from its original inception to the finished product. The good news is that the product you received is indeed correct, and we have removed the incorrect listing on the webstore in order to avoid further confusion. We appreciate you reaching out to us in regards to this, and have attached the updated instructions for this kit for your use. We hope you have a wonderful day, and please let us know if we are able to assist with anything further!
For Sigmar!"
Basically, they got the image wrong on the box, instructions and all promotional material, so in response best you will get from them is new instructions. They will also not take returns if the box has been opened, which it would have been to spot the fault.
In the grand scheme, not a big deal, its the same amount of terrain. But it means more duplication of the same sprue from the Ruins set and a lot of people (me included) have or were going to buy this set as a way to get the Hallowheart sprue.
Pretty poor response to a mistake by GW.
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Post by: Yodhrin
stato wrote: They will also not take returns if the box has been opened, which it would have been to spot the fault.
Errrm, I'm pretty sure that's not legal in the UK/ EU. If a company completes a transaction with you and provides a product that isn't as-advertised, they are obligated to take it back and issue a full refund, shipping included(and pay for return shipping if you bought it online), even if the packaging has been opened if that is necessary to discover the fault. They can't just say "oops, tough", the mistake is theirs and once they take your money and hand over/ship you product they're bound by consumer rights law.
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Post by: stato
 Yodhrin wrote:stato wrote: They will also not take returns if the box has been opened, which it would have been to spot the fault.
Errrm, I'm pretty sure that's not legal in the UK/ EU. If a company completes a transaction with you and provides a product that isn't as-advertised, they are obligated to take it back and issue a full refund, shipping included(and pay for return shipping if you bought it online), even if the packaging has been opened if that is necessary to discover the fault. They can't just say "oops, tough", the mistake is theirs and once they take your money and hand over/ship you product they're bound by consumer rights law.
I think the old, 'contents may differ' clause has to be considered, but im in no way an expert so cant say for certain. The person who provided that info on TGA has since been told GW will extend an offer to return on this occasion, so looks like complaining at your local store might get a resolution.
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Post by: porkuslime
stato wrote:So it seems a lot of People buying the new Townscape AoS scenery found it to contain a different sprue than on the box (it showed a building previously only available in the more expensive Hallowheart board set.
GW has issued a response...
"Hail Faithful of Sigmar,
Through the machinations of Tzeentch warping space and time, it has come to our attention that the Azyrite Ruins as listed on the Webstore pictures were incorrect, as this product had changed some time ago from its original inception to the finished product. The good news is that the product you received is indeed correct, and we have removed the incorrect listing on the webstore in order to avoid further confusion. We appreciate you reaching out to us in regards to this, and have attached the updated instructions for this kit for your use. We hope you have a wonderful day, and please let us know if we are able to assist with anything further!
For Sigmar!"
Basically, they got the image wrong on the box, instructions and all promotional material, so in response best you will get from them is new instructions. They will also not take returns if the box has been opened, which it would have been to spot the fault.
In the grand scheme, not a big deal, its the same amount of terrain. But it means more duplication of the same sprue from the Ruins set and a lot of people (me included) have or were going to buy this set as a way to get the Hallowheart sprue.
Pretty poor response to a mistake by GW.
Is this for the Azyrite Townscape? If so.. craaaap.. I need to look before I go any further building that.
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
Yeah, that's a pretty huge mistake.
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Post by: Da Boss
Sorry to continuously ask the same sort of question but...
The army bundes become available for order on the 24th, right? I am experiencing some serious FOMO about those lizardmen!
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Post by: phillv85
 Da Boss wrote:Sorry to continuously ask the same sort of question but...
The army bundes become available for order on the 24th, right? I am experiencing some serious FOMO about those lizardmen!
That's what has been said, although not by GW yet as far as I know. I wouldn't worry about missing out, you can still get the GSC box from last year now, they hang around for a couple of months even the most popular ones.
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Post by: Geifer
We'll know for certain by Sunday night what's going to be up for pre-order on the 24th, so if you're looking for confirmation from GW, be sure to check Warhammer Community then.
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Post by: IanVanCheese
Are these bundles usually available at third-party retailers? Another £20 off the price makes them very tempting.
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Post by: phillv85
Element Games had them last year among other retailers.
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Post by: IanVanCheese
Groovy. i'm waiting for Chapter Approved before I sink any more money into anything, but I think the Necron box is happening at the very least. They have to get better in CA, right? Right guys? Guys?
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Post by: phillv85
Haha, if they get nerfed those Necron boxes will still be on the shelves for Christmas 2020.
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Post by: IanVanCheese
phillv85 wrote:Haha, if they get nerfed those Necron boxes will still be on the shelves for Christmas 2020.
The first bit of leaked info about the Necrons in CA is that the Vault is going up by 60/70 pts. I am not a happy panda.
Still, we'll see. The rest of the leak seems sensible, so hopefully the rest of the codex gets a sizable pts drop.
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Post by: John Prins
Just got my Sector Imperialis in the mail. Here's pictures of the new sprues.
The actual content of the box is 4x new sprue, 3x floor sprue, 3x low wall sprue.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
No ruined pieces? Incredible.
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Post by: aracersss
the only question that matters throughout this entire thread is ... is the added IF chapter just for show or is there more than what we see (upgrade pack) ... and if the mega primaris bundle has something new for repulsor?
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Post by: drbored
 aracersss wrote:the only question that matters throughout this entire thread is ... is the added IF chapter just for show or is there more than what we see (upgrade pack) ... and if the mega primaris bundle has something new for repulsor?
The Repulsor is the current Repulsor. It is not new at all.
The Imperial Fists Battleforce comes with plastic Imperial Fists shoulder pad upgrades for the infantry. That's the only extra thing in there as far as I understand.
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Post by: Orrus
@John Prins (or anyone else that knows the answer)
Is it possible to make the items on the promotional pictures with the contents of the box?
e.g. the GW site shows 3 Large Buildings. Is it possible to make these? And are you limited to only these or is it quite customisable?
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Post by: John Prins
Orrus wrote:@John Prins (or anyone else that knows the answer)
Is it possible to make the items on the promotional pictures with the contents of the box?
e.g. the GW site shows 3 Large Buildings. Is it possible to make these? And are you limited to only these or is it quite customisable?
Yes. Full instructions for all 3 buildings in the image are included. Like any of the Kill Team stuff, you can mix it up. However, a lot of the wall length included is those 3 wall segments, which does cut the versatility a bit. Bad for very small buildings/ruins, good for larger ones.
@H.B.M.C.: Low walls sprue = ruined walls, sorry for being unclear.
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Post by: cole1114
drbored wrote: aracersss wrote:the only question that matters throughout this entire thread is ... is the added IF chapter just for show or is there more than what we see (upgrade pack) ... and if the mega primaris bundle has something new for repulsor?
The Repulsor is the current Repulsor. It is not new at all.
The Imperial Fists Battleforce comes with plastic Imperial Fists shoulder pad upgrades for the infantry. That's the only extra thing in there as far as I understand.
Do we know for sure it comes with the shoulderpads now? Is that all they get upgrade-wise?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
No, no. It's cool. I more meant no ruined pieces on the sprue pic you posted. It's rare to just get sprues with nothing but complete walls with these kits.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
H.B.M.C. wrote:No, no. It's cool. I more meant no ruined pieces on the sprue pic you posted. It's rare to just get sprues with nothing but complete walls with these kits.
Now they need to make a floor sprue with more than one intact piece. And maybe some triangular ones to take advantage of the columns.
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Post by: John Prins
MajorWesJanson wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:No, no. It's cool. I more meant no ruined pieces on the sprue pic you posted. It's rare to just get sprues with nothing but complete walls with these kits.
Now they need to make a floor sprue with more than one intact piece. And maybe some triangular ones to take advantage of the columns.
You might be able to trim down the ruined floor pieces into a triangle, but I agree in principle. The terrain system needs more floor pieces in general. The Sector Mechanicus stuff is better for that.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
The leaked pictures for the 'battleforce' style boxes mentioned they'd launch on the 1st of December - however with next week's pre-orders apparently not including these, any idea when they'll launch next? Is the 1st of December actually the pre-order date?
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Post by: Kanluwen
 thenoobbomb wrote:The leaked pictures for the 'battleforce' style boxes mentioned they'd launch on the 1st of December - however with next week's pre-orders apparently not including these, any idea when they'll launch next? Is the 1st of December actually the pre-order date?
That's quite possible. It's also possible they'll go up for preorder on November 23rd(which might sound strange, but they're launched Blackstone Fortress on a Friday instead of a Saturday as normal). As an aside? The Necron one isn't a bad box now that I've gotten to see it a bit better in the gift guide. All prices are USD: -A Ghost Ark($49.50) -A single set of Necron Warriors($36.25) -Two sets of Immortals/Deathmarks($33 each) -Necron Overlord blister ($28) -Tomb Blades($41.25) Saves you $51 from the MSRP before taxes are factored in.
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Post by: angel of death 007
 Kanluwen wrote: thenoobbomb wrote:The leaked pictures for the 'battleforce' style boxes mentioned they'd launch on the 1st of December - however with next week's pre-orders apparently not including these, any idea when they'll launch next? Is the 1st of December actually the pre-order date?
That's quite possible. It's also possible they'll go up for preorder on November 23rd(which might sound strange, but they're launched Blackstone Fortress on a Friday instead of a Saturday as normal).
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They ABSOLUTELY will not put them up for sale on Nov 23, this is Black Friday and they will do everything to prevent giving USA customers from getting any more then 15 percent off. I already spoke to my vendor about getting these for some black friday preorders and he said they definately won't be available for preorder on Friday.
Same as last year when they released the Christmas bundles they intentionally avoid release prior to or on black friday. Only hope you have is if Ebay does a coupon, but since they are doing black friday specials on certain items for 2 weeks there is a high chance of not seeing it (atleast during preorder).
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Post by: tneva82
thenoobbomb wrote:The leaked pictures for the 'battleforce' style boxes mentioned they'd launch on the 1st of December - however with next week's pre-orders apparently not including these, any idea when they'll launch next? Is the 1st of December actually the pre-order date?
Well for gw it's the preorder date that counts so if they say 1.12 high chance they mean preorder then
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Post by: ImAGeek
Kanluwen wrote: thenoobbomb wrote:The leaked pictures for the 'battleforce' style boxes mentioned they'd launch on the 1st of December - however with next week's pre-orders apparently not including these, any idea when they'll launch next? Is the 1st of December actually the pre-order date?
That's quite possible. It's also possible they'll go up for preorder on November 23rd(which might sound strange, but they're launched Blackstone Fortress on a Friday instead of a Saturday as normal).
As an aside?
The Necron one isn't a bad box now that I've gotten to see it a bit better in the gift guide. All prices are USD:
-A Ghost Ark($49.50)
-A single set of Necron Warriors($36.25)
-Two sets of Immortals/Deathmarks($33 each)
-Necron Overlord blister ($28)
-Tomb Blades($41.25)
Saves you $51 from the MSRP before taxes are factored in.
There’s a Spyder in there too.
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Post by: Tavis75
MajorWesJanson wrote:Now they need to make a floor sprue with more than one intact piece. And maybe some triangular ones to take advantage of the columns.
The trouble with that is that you need longer wall pieces as well, though would be nice if they did that as well, maybe a sprue with a couple of triangular floor pieces and a few wider walls to match.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Tavis75 wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:Now they need to make a floor sprue with more than one intact piece. And maybe some triangular ones to take advantage of the columns.
The trouble with that is that you need longer wall pieces as well, though would be nice if they did that as well, maybe a sprue with a couple of triangular floor pieces and a few wider walls to match.
They could probably fit a full longer wall, damaged wall, one full triangle, and a couple ruined floor segments on one sprue, if they can fit a 3 panel wall and 2 single panel walls.
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Post by: filbert
When do these bundles usually appear on the GW website 'officially'?
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Post by: Lord Perversor
 cole1114 wrote:drbored wrote: aracersss wrote:the only question that matters throughout this entire thread is ... is the added IF chapter just for show or is there more than what we see (upgrade pack) ... and if the mega primaris bundle has something new for repulsor?
The Repulsor is the current Repulsor. It is not new at all.
The Imperial Fists Battleforce comes with plastic Imperial Fists shoulder pad upgrades for the infantry. That's the only extra thing in there as far as I understand.
Do we know for sure it comes with the shoulderpads now? Is that all they get upgrade-wise?
My local redshirt has confirmed the imperial fist come with upgrade sprue, wich comes in the sprue he doesn't know.
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Post by: grouchoben
The Eldar box is a lot more interesting, what with the CA leaks indicating a big drop in points for the Wraithknight...
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Post by: stato
MajorWesJanson wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:No, no. It's cool. I more meant no ruined pieces on the sprue pic you posted. It's rare to just get sprues with nothing but complete walls with these kits.
Now they need to make a floor sprue with more than one intact piece. And maybe some triangular ones to take advantage of the columns.
They would need a longer wall section if they did triangular floor piece, or even if you wanted to build anything with a 45deg wall. Trigonometry means to keep the rest of the building aligned to the grid floor structure the diagonal piece (wall) would need to be longer.
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Post by: Jadenim
Damn you Pythagoras!
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
There's a kickstarter going round FB, where Archon studios have basically done their own take on this (and blatantly too).
Whilst I feel that's a bit cheeky, they are offering sprues to fill in those non-90 degree angles, which I for one am very interested in!
Can't seem to find a link at the moment though. May be a different platform to Kickstarter?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Founds it!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1915792245/rampart-magnetized-modular-terrain-for-tabletop/posts/2346009
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There's a kickstarter going round FB, where Archon studios have basically done their own take on this (and blatantly too).
Whilst I feel that's a bit cheeky, they are offering sprues to fill in those non-90 degree angles, which I for one am very interested in!
Cheeky? GW don't a monopoly on Gothic architecture.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
H.B.M.C. wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:There's a kickstarter going round FB, where Archon studios have basically done their own take on this (and blatantly too).
Whilst I feel that's a bit cheeky, they are offering sprues to fill in those non-90 degree angles, which I for one am very interested in!
Cheeky? GW don't a monopoly on Gothic architecture.
Sure, but let's not pretend they're not more or less the same dimensions and go together the same way as the GW Sector Imperialis, and exist solely to cater to 40k players.
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Post by: AMH93
Hi everybody! Does anybody know if Battleforces will be available at non- GW retailers like Wayland? How was it like in the past few years?
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Post by: phillv85
At least some 3rd parties got them last year.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
They are fully available to retailers. I usually get a few through my FLGS and I snagged Element Games' last Arcanite army box just 2 or 3 months ago.
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Thanks! Good to know.
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Post by: gungo
 John Prins wrote:Just got my Sector Imperialis in the mail. Here's pictures of the new sprues.
Question does this set make 3 buildings or 1 large building?
Having all the old imperial sector sets I am primarily interested in only large LOS blocking buildings.
I have the sanctum, basillicum, and the derelict factorum (which I consider medium sized)
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Post by: John Prins
gungo wrote: John Prins wrote:Just got my Sector Imperialis in the mail. Here's pictures of the new sprues.
Question does this set make 3 buildings or 1 large building?
Having all the old imperial sector sets I am primarily interested in only large LOS blocking buildings.
I have the sanctum, basillicum, and the derelict factorum (which I consider medium sized)
It includes instructions to use the pieces to make 3 buildings. I have little doubt you could make a single larger building out of it, though your choice of pieces is somewhat limited.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Picked up the Derelict Factorum at Darksphere earlier.
Having had a gander at the sprue, I’m somewhat disappointed that the City floor tiles still don’t connect to the Mechanicus ones.
It’s still a really nice looking kit like. But the Mechanicus portion just sort of butts up to the City portion. No linky bits underneath.
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Post by: Redemption
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Picked up the Derelict Factorum at Darksphere earlier.
Having had a gander at the sprue, I’m somewhat disappointed that the City floor tiles still don’t connect to the Mechanicus ones.
It’s still a really nice looking kit like. But the Mechanicus portion just sort of butts up to the City portion. No linky bits underneath.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Looks like I were wrong! Again!
Good shout dude
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Post by: Redemption
Note that the ladders, wires, supports and railings of the Sector Mechanicum also fits the Imperialis floors.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Having had a gander at the sprue, I’m somewhat disappointed that the City floor tiles still don’t connect to the Mechanicus ones.
They were designed to fit. You need to go through Ray Dranfield's Twitter to find all the tricks of these kits.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Think that might be for the best!
Such lovely stuff!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Bundles go up next Saturday. The Imperial Fist one definitely looks to have shoulderpads--or at the very least a transfer sheet.
I put photos of all of them in the OP.
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Post by: ImAGeek
There’s definitely Imperial Fists upgrade sprues in there - one of the guys has a power fist.
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Post by: Sir Samuel Buca
The backpacks of one Intercessor and one Hellblaster also seem to have some sort of extra too.
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Post by: tneva82
Excelent. They put out adeptus titan one. Very tempting. Warlord, reaver and 2 warhounds with warhounds free. As I was planning of getting 2nd warlord anyway for my Mortis by taking extra reaver(not that it would even be waste...) 2 warhounds. Hell I could even use 2 of these...
GW you are too cunning. Good deal for your best game.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
10/10, I am getting that Imperial Fists box. That really signals to me that they are getting some new options.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Are the battleforces limited time only, or will they be around after Christmas?
Also, are the Immortals not on 40mm bases?
They were on 40mm in forgebane, but now they seem to be on 25mm
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Post by: Overread
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:Are the battleforces limited time only, or will they be around after Christmas?
Variable. Which is to say that some will run out and others will hang around; likely depending on how well they sell and how long GW keeps producing them whilst they sell over Christmas. Some lasted many months last year. It's all a bit of a gamble though and you can be popular ones wll sell fast.
I'd certainly expect the Daughters of Khaine one to sell well considering that you basically get £60 or so of free models and there's almost no waste in the box
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Post by: Crimson
 ImAGeek wrote:There’s definitely Imperial Fists upgrade sprues in there - one of the guys has a power fist.
I really hope they give that option to all Intercessors, not just the IF ones!
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Huh, well that's a pity. I liked how we once had battleforces year round. They were nice sets.
Any word on how much they will be? The necron set looks good, and would round out my current collection nicely.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
 Crimson wrote: ImAGeek wrote:There’s definitely Imperial Fists upgrade sprues in there - one of the guys has a power fist.
I really hope they give that option to all Intercessors, not just the IF ones!
No way! We have awful Chapter Tactics, let us have SOMETHING! 
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Post by: Crimson
It's not that awful*, and I really tired of the already sparse Primaris options being segragated into specific chapters. I just want to have some variety in my sergeant loadouts! I am already massively annoued that only SW and BA can take the chainsword.
(*It will be a real contender once they nerf the Raven Guard even more in the CA.)
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Post by: Insane Ivan
Crimson wrote: ImAGeek wrote:There’s definitely Imperial Fists upgrade sprues in there - one of the guys has a power fist.
I really hope they give that option to all Intercessors, not just the IF ones!
Isn’t that how they do it, though? Like Space Wolf intercessor sergeants can only take a chainsword as CCW, not a power sword. I’d guess the power fist will be IF only, at least at first.
As much as I like the Primaris models, I wish they’d included the power sword, chain sword, auspex and Power fist bits in the regular kit, and kept the upgrade kits for chapter-appropriate versions (plus all the other cosmetic items), but oh well...
I was wondering how the 2 primaris battleforces compared in terms of savings, but it looks like the value will be similar. All depende on which 7nits you need, of course, and whether you want IF:
“General” Primaris:
10 Intercessors: 45 euro
10 Reivers: 45 euro
1 Repulsor: 65 euro
3 Inceptors: 40 euro
1 captain: 30 euro
Total: 225 euro
Imperial Fist Primaris:
10 Intercessors: 45 euro
5 Hellblasters: 22,50 euro
1 Redemptor: 55 euro
3 Agressors: 40 euro
1 captain: 30 euro
3 IF Upgrade sprues (est. based on the other chapter upgrades except Ultras): 30 euro
Total: 222,50
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Crimson wrote:
It's not that awful*, and I really tired of the already sparse Primaris options being segragated into specific chapters. I just want to have some variety in my sergeant loadouts! I am already massively annoued that only SW and BA can take the chainsword.
(*It will be a real contender once they nerf the Raven Guard even more in the CA.)
All C: SM Intercessors can take a Chainsword. It is in the Errata/ FAQ for the codex. BA can take Power Swords and Chainswords as well. SW can only take a Chainswords, and DA can only take a Power Sword though.
Yeah, Imperial Fists will have no difficulty wiping out the former cheesy Alaitoc and Stygies VIII armies. It'll be great.
If the rumored Indomitus Veterans Stratagem is true, my Intercessor Sergeants will have 4 Power Fist attacks! 5 if they are near Pedro Kantor!
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Post by: Crimson
Yes, and it is massively annoying.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Nope. No chainsword.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Any word on how much these battleforces will be?
The contents of the necron box comes up to 201 euros, unless I missed something.
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Edit: Nevermind
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(EDIT: nevermind as well.)
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Any word on how much these battleforces will be?
The contents of the necron box comes up to 201 euros, unless I missed something.
$170 USD, however much that translates to in Euros.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I don't have European prices, unfortunately, as the US gift guide has them in USD, CAD, NZD, and AUS.
They're $170USD--same as last year.
Belgium website has the old boxes listed at 130Euros.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Crimson wrote:Yes, I'm looking at it. It says power sword, not chainsword.
Yeah, I kept looking at the BA errata by accident. They are the only ones that can take either option.
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Post by: Kanluwen
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Huh, well that's a pity. I liked how we once had battleforces year round. They were nice sets.
Any word on how much they will be. The necron set looks good, and would round out my current collection nicely.
They're "while stocks last". Some will inevitably last into next year, possibly even to next Christmas and beyond.
BTW: Forgebane Immortals were on 32mm bases not 40mm.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Kanluwen wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:Huh, well that's a pity. I liked how we once had battleforces year round. They were nice sets.
Any word on how much they will be. The necron set looks good, and would round out my current collection nicely.
They're "while stocks last". Some will inevitably last into next year, possibly even to next Christmas and beyond.
BTW: Forgebane Immortals were on 32mm bases not 40mm.
Yeah, that's the one. 
Does it look like these bases are on 32mm? They look a bit small to be that.
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Post by: ImAGeek
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Kanluwen wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:Huh, well that's a pity. I liked how we once had battleforces year round. They were nice sets.
Any word on how much they will be. The necron set looks good, and would round out my current collection nicely.
They're "while stocks last". Some will inevitably last into next year, possibly even to next Christmas and beyond.
BTW: Forgebane Immortals were on 32mm bases not 40mm.
Yeah, that's the one.
Does it look like these bases are on 32mm? They look a bit small to be that.
The overlord and scarabs are on 40mm, so yeah the others are 32s.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
ImAGeek wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: Kanluwen wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:Huh, well that's a pity. I liked how we once had battleforces year round. They were nice sets.
Any word on how much they will be. The necron set looks good, and would round out my current collection nicely.
They're "while stocks last". Some will inevitably last into next year, possibly even to next Christmas and beyond.
BTW: Forgebane Immortals were on 32mm bases not 40mm.
Yeah, that's the one.
Does it look like these bases are on 32mm? They look a bit small to be that.
The overlord and scarabs are on 40mm, so yeah the others are 32s.
Huh, I guess you're right. Even the warriors seem to be on 32mm.
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Post by: Suzuteo
AdMech Battleforce is pretty good. Assuming they give us point fixes, you can at least make a good Mars army with three of them plus Cawl. Grab some Ironstriders for a Brigade. (If that's your thing.)
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
That confirms the IF sprue then. Looks like the extra gubbins are the power fist, backpack "lamps", and a moulded shoulder shield. If the other chapter sprues are anything to go by there will probably be a few heads in there as well.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
GoatboyBeta wrote:That confirms the IF sprue then. Looks like the extra gubbins are the power fist, backpack "lamps", and a moulded shoulder shield. If the other chapter sprues are anything to go by there will probably be a few heads in there as well.
The Power Fist Sergeant has a new head. He has the top of the helmet off and only has the facemask like the 500th Store Lieutenant.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Wasn't sure if any of the bare heads were new as I've avoided using them on my Primaris. Really tempted to get the box and paint them as Crimson Fists for Vigilus.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
GoatboyBeta wrote:Wasn't sure if any of the bare heads were new as I've avoided using them on my Primaris. Really tempted to get the box and paint them as Crimson Fists for Vigilus.
That's my plan. I will have a Battle company's worth now.
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Post by: aracersss
.So, dorn coming?
... damn IF getting exclusive stuff
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Maybe? I definitely would love to see it. The Last Wall sounds like it needs to be enacted at Vigilus.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Doubtfull, but never say never From freeze framing the Vigilus book trailer it looks like the IF and some of there succesors(I spotted the Crimson fists and the Sons of the Phoenix) have a presence if there is any tie in to the campaign.
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Post by: aracersss
adeptus soronitas in the book
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Doubtfull, but never say never From freeze framing the Vigilus book trailer it looks like the IF and some of there succesors(I spotted the Crimson fists and the Sons of the Phoenix) have a presence if there is any tie in to the campaign.
I just watched the video in slow motion, and yup, the Crimson Fists are in there somewhere. Which is great, gives me a reason to get this book.
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Post by: Chikout
So the days of GW not releasing much in December are officially over. 25 different products and I want at least ten of them! We still have Wrath and glory and the vigilus stuff to come. I haven't started Necromunda or Titanicus yet but this month looks like the perfect time to start. Thanks beta testers!
I will be very interested to read some reviews of the Necromunda rule books. Specialist games got off to a rocky start in a variety of ways but their stuff is looking pretty good now.
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Post by: cole1114
I really hope the powerfist means intercessor options won't be split between chapters anymore. Especially if it means being able to take axes and stuff too.
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Post by: tneva82
Chikout wrote:So the days of GW not releasing much in December are officially over. 25 different products and I want at least ten of them! We still have Wrath and glory and the vigilus stuff to come. I haven't started Necromunda or Titanicus yet but this month looks like the perfect time to start. Thanks beta testers!
I will be very interested to read some reviews of the Necromunda rule books. Specialist games got off to a rocky start in a variety of ways but their stuff is looking pretty good now.
What new codexes or game rules they are releasing? It's those gw has been sparse on december. Lots of army deals has been gw's modus operandi though. Biggest weirdness so far has been non- 40k/fb/ aos army deal.
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Post by: Chikout
tneva82 wrote:Chikout wrote:So the days of GW not releasing much in December are officially over. 25 different products and I want at least ten of them! We still have Wrath and glory and the vigilus stuff to come. I haven't started Necromunda or Titanicus yet but this month looks like the perfect time to start. Thanks beta testers!
I will be very interested to read some reviews of the Necromunda rule books. Specialist games got off to a rocky start in a variety of ways but their stuff is looking pretty good now.
What new codexes or game rules they are releasing? It's those gw has been sparse on december. Lots of army deals has been gw's modus operandi though. Biggest weirdness so far has been non- 40k/fb/ aos army deal.
Necromunda rule books, bloodbowl rules, City fight rules, a vigilus campaign book, chapter approved and Wrath and Rapture with two rule books are all confirmed to be coming in December.
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Post by: angel of death 007
Chikout wrote:tneva82 wrote:Chikout wrote:So the days of GW not releasing much in December are officially over. 25 different products and I want at least ten of them! We still have Wrath and glory and the vigilus stuff to come. I haven't started Necromunda or Titanicus yet but this month looks like the perfect time to start. Thanks beta testers!
I will be very interested to read some reviews of the Necromunda rule books. Specialist games got off to a rocky start in a variety of ways but their stuff is looking pretty good now.
What new codexes or game rules they are releasing? It's those gw has been sparse on december. Lots of army deals has been gw's modus operandi though. Biggest weirdness so far has been non- 40k/fb/ aos army deal.
Necromunda rule books, bloodbowl rules, City fight rules, a vigilus campaign book, chapter approved and Wrath and Rapture with two rule books are all confirmed to be coming in December.
Getting books is kinda like getting underwear or socks for christmas, you need them but you would prefer the nice shinny new toys.
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Post by: ERJAK
angel of death 007 wrote:Chikout wrote:tneva82 wrote:Chikout wrote:So the days of GW not releasing much in December are officially over. 25 different products and I want at least ten of them! We still have Wrath and glory and the vigilus stuff to come. I haven't started Necromunda or Titanicus yet but this month looks like the perfect time to start. Thanks beta testers!
I will be very interested to read some reviews of the Necromunda rule books. Specialist games got off to a rocky start in a variety of ways but their stuff is looking pretty good now.
What new codexes or game rules they are releasing? It's those gw has been sparse on december. Lots of army deals has been gw's modus operandi though. Biggest weirdness so far has been non- 40k/fb/ aos army deal.
Necromunda rule books, bloodbowl rules, City fight rules, a vigilus campaign book, chapter approved and Wrath and Rapture with two rule books are all confirmed to be coming in December.
Getting books is kinda like getting underwear or socks for christmas, you need them but you would prefer the nice shinny new toys.
idk man, as excited as I am for SoB models the book is pretty rad too.
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Post by: aracersss
books are collectibles you can't replace, while the models can just pass and come while changing armies or selling them on ebay
p.d. ... you technically can sell books, but are likely to not sell as much as cheap models
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Post by: tneva82
Uuh books are the ones that are replaced all the time.
So no new full factions which is what gw is sparse on christmas
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Post by: ImAGeek
tneva82 wrote:Uuh books are the ones that are replaced all the time.
So no new full factions which is what gw is sparse on christmas
New full factions are pretty sparse all the time. This December has the most new releases coming than there’s been in a December for a long time.
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Post by: Azazelx
Is that Admech Battleforce hero found in any other bundles?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Azazelx wrote:Is that Admech Battleforce hero found in any other bundles?
The Techpriest? Was originally available in a "bundle" with a Russ kit but is now available as a blister. Don't think it's in any other bundles, they tend to throw in Dominus instead.
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Post by: Azazelx
Ah yes, I remember that one. In that case, I don't have that model. Godddamn!
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Post by: tneva82
ImAGeek wrote:tneva82 wrote:Uuh books are the ones that are replaced all the time.
So no new full factions which is what gw is sparse on christmas
New full factions are pretty sparse all the time. This December has the most new releases coming than there’s been in a December for a long time.
So again: what codexes are coming december? Those are what december traditionally has been void of
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Azazelx wrote:Is that Admech Battleforce hero found in any other bundles?
Not since 2015's Leman Russ Tech-Command he isn't
EDIT: Too slow by far, whoops
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Post by: ChargerIIC
tneva82 wrote: ImAGeek wrote:tneva82 wrote:Uuh books are the ones that are replaced all the time.
So no new full factions which is what gw is sparse on christmas
New full factions are pretty sparse all the time. This December has the most new releases coming than there’s been in a December for a long time.
So again: what codexes are coming december? Those are what december traditionally has been void of
Sisters of Battle.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
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Post by: Chopstick
There're won't be any new army release in December. They need to rush thing out before they take a week off Christmas holiday.
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Post by: aracersss
next month is gsc ... then a nine month interval for anything prior to new sob ... which means either new armies, campaigns, boxsets, or pure unorthodox aos love
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
aracersss wrote:next month is gsc ... then a nine month interval for anything prior to new sob ... which means either new armies, campaigns, boxsets, or pure unorthodox aos love
With Wrath and Rapture box coming out, decent odds on Emperor's Children and/or World Eaters for 40k.
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Post by: xttz
Have the exact prices for these boxes been confirmed by any 3rd-party retailers yet? Particularly the Titanicus one.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
The bundles for 40k and AoS are £100 in GW's Christmas catalogue (the contents of the Daughters of Khaine box add up to £165 separately). Since the AT box is described as getting the Warhounds free, I expect it'll also be £100 - the cost of a Warlord and a Reaver.
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Post by: kastelen
Any idea of what the Australian prices will be? I did some quick math basing it off of the prices I could see on the sheet and it seems like it'll be $290-300 but I'm hoping it'll be less.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
AUD 280, like Archaon (who's also £100), I'd assume.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The last ones were $280 (I got the Archanite Changecult... not from GW obviously, who the hell pays flat retail in Oz?).
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Post by: ChargerIIC
H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
Beta Codex containing traits, stratagems and new point costs in December Chapter Approved.
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Post by: ImAGeek
tneva82 wrote: ImAGeek wrote:tneva82 wrote:Uuh books are the ones that are replaced all the time.
So no new full factions which is what gw is sparse on christmas
New full factions are pretty sparse all the time. This December has the most new releases coming than there’s been in a December for a long time.
So again: what codexes are coming december? Those are what december traditionally has been void of
None, but again: this December is the most release heavy December in a long time. That’s all anyone’s saying.
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Post by: Overread
Necromunda is getting Delaque and fully consolidated and updated rules
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Post by: Geifer
 ChargerIIC wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
Beta Codex containing traits, stratagems and new point costs in December Chapter Approved.
And funnily enough, there's precious little difference between the beta codex and a normal codex. It'll have questionable balance, shoddy rules and only cover units for which models are available around the release period. Really, aside from being filler for Chapter Approved and being replaced within a year, there's no functional difference. 
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Post by: terry
Geifer wrote: ChargerIIC wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
Beta Codex containing traits, stratagems and new point costs in December Chapter Approved.
And funnily enough, there's precious little difference between the beta codex and a normal codex. It'll have questionable balance, shoddy rules and only cover units for which models are available around the release period. Really, aside from being filler for Chapter Approved and being replaced within a year, there's no functional difference.
except we the players can now give feedback on the codex
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Post by: Geifer
terry wrote: Geifer wrote: ChargerIIC wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
Beta Codex containing traits, stratagems and new point costs in December Chapter Approved.
And funnily enough, there's precious little difference between the beta codex and a normal codex. It'll have questionable balance, shoddy rules and only cover units for which models are available around the release period. Really, aside from being filler for Chapter Approved and being replaced within a year, there's no functional difference.
except we the players can now give feedback on the codex
What stops you from doing that for other armies?
Why would you expect GW's responsiveness to differ?
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Post by: terry
Geifer wrote:terry wrote: Geifer wrote: ChargerIIC wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters aren't in December. They're next year, right? Probably Oct/Nov next year?
Beta Codex containing traits, stratagems and new point costs in December Chapter Approved.
And funnily enough, there's precious little difference between the beta codex and a normal codex. It'll have questionable balance, shoddy rules and only cover units for which models are available around the release period. Really, aside from being filler for Chapter Approved and being replaced within a year, there's no functional difference.
except we the players can now give feedback on the codex
What stops you from doing that for other armies?
Why would you expect GW's responsiveness to differ?
because GW stated they want feedback, which they haven't done with the others
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Post by: Geifer
They're making changes in Chapter Approved and twice a year in erratas, including beta rules. Seems to me like they are willing to listen to feedback.
Not that it necessarily gets implemented. It's still a case of GW's designers writing rules that they think best mechanically reflect a concept and put the burden of changing their minds on us, with no guarantee that it's going to happen. I fail to see how the process for Sisters is going to deviate from this approach.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
GW will listen to feedback, but won't necessarily take heed of offered solutions.
Given the old (based on some fact) adage of 'Dear GW, Rock is overpowered, Paper is fine. Regards, Scissors', that's somewhat understandable.
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Post by: Geifer
Exactly. For better or worse, someone has to take the lead on design and have final say to at least try and mitigate bias.
GW has not been very good with feedback until recently. I wouldn't expect any request for feedback to have massive impact even if it were objectively the right way to go, but at least they allow themselves to get nudged in the right direction these days.
I really don't expect the Sisters beta to amount to much, but it should make the eventual codex a little better than it would have been without it.
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Post by: Prometheum5
Hey, remember how this thread is about the contents of the holiday bundle boxes and not the same Chapter Approved/rules balance nonsense that takes over every 40k thread?
The most recent painting vid on WHTV with the Crimson Fists Intercessor has a sculpted Fist icon shoulder badge. That should be additional confirmation on the contents of a Fisty upgrade sprue with the Power Fist and shoulder badges. Wonder what other detail greeblies they would get?
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
 Prometheum5 wrote:Hey, remember how this thread is about the contents of the holiday bundle boxes and not the same Chapter Approved/rules balance nonsense that takes over every 40k thread?
The most recent painting vid on WHTV with the Crimson Fists Intercessor has a sculpted Fist icon shoulder badge. That should be additional confirmation on the contents of a Fisty upgrade sprue with the Power Fist and shoulder badges. Wonder what other detail greeblies they would get?
There is a signum type thing on the back packs of several models on the box, so it stands to reason that there will be some sort signum on the sprue.
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Post by: Geifer
Prometheum5 wrote:Hey, remember how this thread is about the contents of the holiday bundle boxes and not the same Chapter Approved/rules balance nonsense that takes over every 40k thread?
The most recent painting vid on WHTV with the Crimson Fists Intercessor has a sculpted Fist icon shoulder badge. That should be additional confirmation on the contents of a Fisty upgrade sprue with the Power Fist and shoulder badges. Wonder what other detail greeblies they would get?
I thought this was the Chapter Approved thread. Oops.
So all these upgrade sprues come with five small shoulder pads and three large ones, right? Which would suggest that the Imperial Fists box has three to cover the Intercessors and Helblasters, and a fourth so the Captain gets one as well. Does that sound about right?
It's a tempting box as it conveniently skips the Primaris models I don't like. If it has that additional sprue so I have a couple of shoulder pads left over for assorted models, I may just have to grab one.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Geifer wrote: Prometheum5 wrote:Hey, remember how this thread is about the contents of the holiday bundle boxes and not the same Chapter Approved/rules balance nonsense that takes over every 40k thread?
The most recent painting vid on WHTV with the Crimson Fists Intercessor has a sculpted Fist icon shoulder badge. That should be additional confirmation on the contents of a Fisty upgrade sprue with the Power Fist and shoulder badges. Wonder what other detail greeblies they would get?
I thought this was the Chapter Approved thread. Oops.
So all these upgrade sprues come with five small shoulder pads and three large ones, right? Which would suggest that the Imperial Fists box has three to cover the Intercessors and Helblasters, and a fourth so the Captain gets one as well. Does that sound about right?
It's a tempting box as it conveniently skips the Primaris models I don't like. If it has that additional sprue so I have a couple of shoulder pads left over for assorted models, I may just have to grab one.
Actually, they come with six small, three large. The sixth one is for characters (it tends to have some embellishments). So if a guy has two more Fist Pauldrons, they will have enough for four 5-man squads.
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Post by: Geifer
Six, huh? Cool. Thanks.
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No problem! Though I am curious how the character one will be different. The Ultramarines one has a skull, the Dark Angels has a scroll, Blood Angels has a cord with a blood vial and blood drop, and Space Wolves has a tooth and a runestone.
Actually, in looking at the Sprues for the other Chapters, outside of the Ultramarines upgrade, the weapons on the different upgrade sprues are devoid of Chapter emblems. Which means that, if you wanted, you could just swipe the weapon you want from the upgrade sprue (probably could use a bits seller to acquire it) and put it on whatever Chapter Marine you want. That is pretty cool, IMO. It at least makes Power Swords a little easier to get for C: SM Intercessors.
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Post by: ChargerIIC
 casvalremdeikun wrote:No problem! Though I am curious how the character one will be different. The Ultramarines one has a skull, the Dark Angels has a scroll, Blood Angels has a cord with a blood vial and blood drop, and Space Wolves has a tooth and a runestone.
Actually, in looking at the Sprues for the other Chapters, outside of the Ultramarines upgrade, the weapons on the different upgrade sprues are devoid of Chapter emblems. Which means that, if you wanted, you could just swipe the weapon you want from the upgrade sprue (probably could use a bits seller to acquire it) and put it on whatever Chapter Marine you want. That is pretty cool, IMO. It at least makes Power Swords a little easier to get for C: SM Intercessors.
+1 for this. The DA sword praticuly makes it a buy for any sword wielding marine.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Well, thanks to the other forum, we have pictures of the Imperial Fists Upgrade Sprue. It has the same damned Bolt Pistol as the Blood Angles Upgrade Sprue! 
Otherwise, everything else looks decent. No fist emblem on the helmet, but whatever. The Power Fist looks great though.
Edit: The trinkets all look really good. I can't wait to deck some of my units out with them. The helmet is definitely different though.
I can't wait to order this thing! I also wonder if Primaris Honour Guard will be available outside of Calgar's Honour Guard. Because I can definitely put some Phalanx Warder Shields on some Primaris dudes and make my own!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
People were wondering what might be hanging off the sixth regular shoulder pad, the "special" one for characters. Turns out for the Imperial Fists their decoration is... another fist. Sure! Why not?
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
H.B.M.C. wrote:People were wondering what might be hanging off the sixth regular shoulder pad, the "special" one for characters.
Turns out for the Imperial Fists their decoration is... another fist.
Sure! Why not?
Yeah, I saw that and was pretty impressed. Not as impressed as I would have been if the little fist icon had a little fist on it.
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Post by: LordMcAllister
I don't know if this counts as one of the christmas bundles, but they are currently selling a "Battleforce Genestealer Cult" with quite some discount. I don't know if this might be old news, as the following link shows "2017", though I didn't know about this one.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Bforce-Genestealer-Cults-Insurrection-2017
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Probably one of last year's deals hanging around or re-introduced.
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Post by: Geifer
H.B.M.C. wrote:People were wondering what might be hanging off the sixth regular shoulder pad, the "special" one for characters.
Turns out for the Imperial Fists their decoration is... another fist.
Sure! Why not?
Eh, I'm not a fan. Not that it's a surprise after the treatment the blood bloods and wolf wolfs got, but Imperial Fists don't need to have fists dangling everywhere.
At least it's just an upgrade sprue and not as excessive as complete, dedicated models would be.
Regardless though, Imperial Fists getting some love is a good thing.
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Post by: Process
Geifer wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:People were wondering what might be hanging off the sixth regular shoulder pad, the "special" one for characters.
Turns out for the Imperial Fists their decoration is... another fist.
Sure! Why not?
Eh, I'm not a fan. Not that it's a surprise after the treatment the blood bloods and wolf wolfs got, but Imperial Fists don't need to have fists dangling everywhere.
At least it's just an upgrade sprue and not as excessive as complete, dedicated models would be.
Wait, you mean you're not looking forward to the Fist guard terminators? the ThunderFist cavalry (yeah, picture that one)? The Fist company? im especially looking forward to the CyberFist
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Process wrote: Geifer wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:People were wondering what might be hanging off the sixth regular shoulder pad, the "special" one for characters.
Turns out for the Imperial Fists their decoration is... another fist.
Sure! Why not?
Eh, I'm not a fan. Not that it's a surprise after the treatment the blood bloods and wolf wolfs got, but Imperial Fists don't need to have fists dangling everywhere.
At least it's just an upgrade sprue and not as excessive as complete, dedicated models would be.
Wait, you mean you're not looking forward to the Fist guard terminators? the ThunderFist cavalry (yeah, picture that one)? The Fist company? im especially looking forward to the CyberFist
Only if the cavalry are riding mechanical hands that are walking around like Thing from the Addams Family.
Since the Fist emblem is molded on the Power Fist(which is different from all of the other upgrades other than the UM), I almost wonder if Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics will be required to use them.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Not to mention the new Imperial Fist Primaris Chapter Master, Fistigus Hand, the Fist of Righteousness.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
H.B.M.C. wrote:Not to mention the new Imperial Fist Primaris Chapter Master, Fistigus Hand, the Fist of Righteousness.
I am pretty sure Imperial Fists Primaris Marines are called Primarfist Marines. And Fistigus Hand will have a power fist where each of the fingers ends in a little fist.
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Post by: Mandragola
What we really need is a piece of imperial fist only terrain along the lines of the IK thing and the mekboy workshop. One of those things where you pay points for the privilege of having a unit waste a turn doing nothing in exchange for no tangible benefit the following turn.
Perhaps it could take the form of a massive fist that that your guys could dither around swearing oaths, praying and stuff. Then in the next turn their move speed could be marginally increased or they could have rerolls to hit.
Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
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Post by: brushuncle
Mandragola wrote:
Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
The Fist of Fists.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It came out last year. They've sadly sold through it on the US webstore.
Last year had the GSC set, a Tau set, a Guard set, and an Ork set.
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Post by: Geifer
Mandragola wrote:What we really need is a piece of imperial fist only terrain along the lines of the IK thing and the mekboy workshop. One of those things where you pay points for the privilege of having a unit waste a turn doing nothing in exchange for no tangible benefit the following turn.
Perhaps it could take the form of a massive fist that that your guys could dither around swearing oaths, praying and stuff. Then in the next turn their move speed could be marginally increased or they could have rerolls to hit.
Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
It'll be a miniature version of the Phalanx and named in honor of the greatest invention ever: Fozzrik' s Flying Fist. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also from War of Sigmar:
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3465
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Post by: Rayvon
Nice to see that Fists finally got an upgrade, not nice to see more primaris crap coming out.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mandragola wrote:Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
Pain Glove! It's already in the fluff. Your unit takes D3 Mortal Wounds (1 if it's a character) to gain an aura/re-roll. It's great because it combines all three of 8th's special rules into a single building.
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Post by: Mandragola
H.B.M.C. wrote:Mandragola wrote:Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
Pain Glove!
It's already in the fluff.
Your unit takes D3 Mortal Wounds (1 if it's a character) to gain an aura/re-roll.
It's great because it combines all three of 8th's special rules into a single building.
Yes I think that's a good idea. The IK thing and mekboy workshop force you to pay points to do nothing, but at least they don't actually kill you.
I guess they could go the other way and make something like the nurgle tree - an untargetable terrain piece with an aura that inexplicably makes your whole army much better.
I also think there could be unintended consequences of releasing a fist-shaped plastic toy at this scale. Still, it'll be a cool story for doctors who have to remove them from people.
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Post by: Kdash
Mandragola wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Mandragola wrote:Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
Pain Glove!
It's already in the fluff.
Your unit takes D3 Mortal Wounds (1 if it's a character) to gain an aura/re-roll.
It's great because it combines all three of 8th's special rules into a single building.
Yes I think that's a good idea. The IK thing and mekboy workshop force you to pay points to do nothing, but at least they don't actually kill you.
I guess they could go the other way and make something like the nurgle tree - an untargetable terrain piece with an aura that inexplicably makes your whole army much better.
I also think there could be unintended consequences of releasing a fist-shaped plastic toy at this scale. Still, it'll be a cool story for doctors who have to remove them from people.
A Fist Fortress? Essentially all they’d need to do is re-model a Bastion and give it a couple of extra rules and you’re sorted!
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Post by: Haighus
How compatible are Primaris shoulder pads with standard Marines? Those upgrade kits look great for none-Primaris Imperial Fists too, so long as the shoulder pads work for either.
I don't foresee any issue with the standard ones, but I am more doubtful of the Gravis pads fitting Terminators.
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Post by: phillv85
 Haighus wrote:How compatible are Primaris shoulder pads with standard Marines? Those upgrade kits look great for none-Primaris Imperial Fists too, so long as the shoulder pads work for either.
I don't foresee any issue with the standard ones, but I am more doubtful of the Gravis pads fitting Terminators.
The standard shoulder pads for Primaris will go on original marines no problem. Heads and shoulder pads are the same size.
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Post by: Tavis75
Mandragola wrote:Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
The fist of the fist men?
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Post by: Flinty
In tribute to Pratchett's home of the gods, Dunmanifisting.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Couldn't they just be Solarite Power Gauntlets?
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Post by: ritualnet
For someone who's starting with Primaris (and subscribed to Warhammer Conquest, and got Dark Imperium), which is the best of the two battleforces to get... or is it even worth getting one?
I don't mind imp. fists as I like Crimson Fists, and just paint them as that.
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Post by: Kawauso
ritualnet wrote:For someone who's starting with Primaris (and subscribed to Warhammer Conquest, and got Dark Imperium), which is the best of the two battleforces to get... or is it even worth getting one?
I don't mind imp. fists as I like Crimson Fists, and just paint them as that.
That depends on what your metric for "best" is.
They're both really good bundles.
Though if you've got Dark Imperium and you're a Conquest subscriber then I don't know that you're getting that much extra value, really. You'll wind up with a lot of redundancies that you may not need or want.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Mandragola wrote:
Unfortunately I’m not able to come up with a fist-based name for it. Shrine of fists, maybe.
Hater Fistinator
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Post by: CodeKantorBlue
I'm going to need this upgrade frame several times over.
Any ideas what the non-yellow parts on the second and third rows are?
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Post by: ritualnet
 CodeKantorBlue wrote:
I'm going to need this upgrade frame several times over.
Any ideas what the non-yellow parts on the second and third rows are?
looks like building and navigation tools. Sextant, angle drop-things that work out the angle of stuff, some rope with a fist on it (for extreme fist-o action), should shield and the scanner-thing that goes on the backpack Automatically Appended Next Post:
Fisty Mc Fist-Face
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Shrine of Fisting
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Post by: Captain Joystick
I wish you would stop.
CodeKantorBlue wrote:I'm going to need this upgrade frame several times over.
Any ideas what the non-yellow parts on the second and third rows are?
Techie bits and bobs, protractor and sextant, maybe.
Third row is a drafting compass, a typical 40k rondell, some kind of rope with an Imperial Fists icon on it (pendant? grappling hook? flagelation device?) and some kind of targeter?
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Post by: ritualnet
The Fisting Menace
Attack of the Fists
Revenge of the Fist
A new Fist
Return of the Fisting
The Fist Strikes Back
The Fist Fists
Rogue Fist - A Fisting Story
The last Fist
Solo - A Fisting Story
Ok I'll get my coat...
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Post by: Haighus
phillv85 wrote: Haighus wrote:How compatible are Primaris shoulder pads with standard Marines? Those upgrade kits look great for none-Primaris Imperial Fists too, so long as the shoulder pads work for either.
I don't foresee any issue with the standard ones, but I am more doubtful of the Gravis pads fitting Terminators.
The standard shoulder pads for Primaris will go on original marines no problem. Heads and shoulder pads are the same size.
Thanks! Do you know if this is true for the Gravis pads and Terminators too?
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Post by: ch33ky.business
Ok lads I think the fist joke is played out now.
When was the release date for the army bundles, was that confirmed yet?
Apologies if I missed it somewhere in the thread.
Deffo in for the admech one at least.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 ch33ky.business wrote:Ok lads I think the fist joke is played out now.
When was the release date for the army bundles, was that confirmed yet?
Apologies if I missed it somewhere in the thread.
Deffo in for the admech one at least.
Preorders are December 1st, release will be December 8th.
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
ritualnet wrote:The Fisting Menace
Attack of the Fists
Revenge of the Fist
A new Fist
Return of the Fisting
The Fist Strikes Back
The Fist Fists
Rogue Fist - A Fisting Story
The last Fist
Solo - A Fisting Story
Ok I'll get my coat...
I like the part where you said fist.
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Post by: Irbis
 Captain Joystick wrote:some kind of rope with an Imperial Fists icon on it (pendant? grappling hook? flagelation device?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumb_bob
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Post by: Racerguy180
ritualnet wrote:The Fisting Menace
Attack of the Fists
Revenge of the Fist
A new Fist
Return of the Fisting
The Fist Strikes Back
The Fist Fists
Rogue Fist - A Fisting Story
The last Fist
Solo - A Fisting Story
Ok I'll get my coat...
have an exalt, but you did forget the fistmas special.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
As a freemason and a long-time appreciator of the supremacy of the Imperial Fists over the other loyalist legions (barring perhaps the Raven Guard), I have to say Im really tempted to start an Imperial Fists primaris force.
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Post by: CMLR
Is it me or the Lizardmen and Warriors of Chaos boxes a bit dissapointing?
- Lizards got a Carno without any Saurus troops, so one third of a SC!.
- Warriors of Chaos got practically got a full SC! with more Warriors and Knights, replacing the Chaos Sorcerer for a mounted leader. The only thing to note is the Warshrine; even when they have been a webstore exclusive for a long while, is not like they are much more harder to get. Not sure about how cost effective is to buy 2 SC! boxes and the two monsters on their own.
But oh boy am I excited for that Lizard box. I already got 2 SC! and the Carno is my favourite sculpt anyway. I hope the international webstore has enough stock, I can only afford it until late January, at best.
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Post by: Souleater
Having found even more unassemembled Tyranids I have decided not to start DoK at this time.
...then I looked at the Ad Mech BF and , you know, those are pretty cool models...
I have a problem.
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Post by: WobblyGoblin
I’m hoping that these are available from 3rd party retailers again. I really want the extra discount. Nothing showing on Element Games yet...
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Post by: tneva82
Nothing showing up on gw uk either. You want to see these oe 3rd parties now search for australian one
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Post by: Souleater
They won't show up in the UK until 10:00am if previous releases are a guide. Indies usually go up a couple of minutes after that.
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Post by: Gnollu
On AU site it says that Supremacy Force includes 10 hellblasters. Is this an error, or thay added something to the box?
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Post by: phillv85
It'll be an error. The box showed it contained 5 when leaked.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
It still says 10 Hellblasters on the GW UK site, will be interesting to see if they offer anything to people buying under the impression that 10 are in the box.
Bought the Interdiction force for £80 posted, too good a deal to pass on.
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Post by: tneva82
Got myself 2 titan boxes. Can't have enough titans!
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Post by: Nostromodamus
One of the pictures shows the new Warlord in the maniple, but everything else indicates the Volcano Cannon Warlord. Another fine display of false advertising GW...
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Post by: phillv85
Element Games have them at £80 on pre-order. I was expecting £85, so I managed to save a few more quid than I thought I would.
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Post by: Aeneades
Triple Helix wargaming have them for £75 but you don’t get the free postage they Element Games offer (so only real saving if you buy 2 or more).
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
phillv85 wrote:Element Games have them at £80 on pre-order. I was expecting £85, so I managed to save a few more quid than I thought I would.
Aye, a good deal. On the Interdiction Force the separate components are £146 odd on Element's site so saving £66 with the bundle is great.
Nearly two hours after the pre orders went up the 10 Hellblasters mistake is still up on the GW UK website.
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Post by: phillv85
Aeneades wrote:Triple Helix wargaming have them for £75 but you don’t get the free postage they Element Games offer (so only real saving if you buy 2 or more).
How are their deliveries? I always use Element because their postage always gets me the items super quick, but a saving is a saving!
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Post by: Rolsheen
For some reason Australia doesn't get the Titanicus stuff
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Could be a formatting issue. Try turning your computer upside down.
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Post by: Da Boss
Just ordered my Seraphon bundle. Gonna have to ease off the hobby purchases now for a few months. Too much spending recently.
Looking forward to assembling this and my Start Collecting stuff and painting everything up.
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Post by: Legiocustodes
Just ordered the Interdiction Force and the Imperial Fist Force for just under £80 each from Wayland with free postage!!
Can’t wait to get them
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Post by: Aeneades
phillv85 wrote:Aeneades wrote:Triple Helix wargaming have them for £75 but you don’t get the free postage they Element Games offer (so only real saving if you buy 2 or more).
How are their deliveries? I always use Element because their postage always gets me the items super quick, but a saving is a saving!
I almost always use Element as they are so reliable but thought I would take the risk this time as I am ordering 4 and not in a massive rush to get them. I have heard that Helix are reliable if you order before they order on Monday otherwise you may have to wait until the following weeks order.
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Post by: WobblyGoblin
I have ordered the AdMech box. Add it to the armies I have on sprues to build! Tyranid, AdMech and Emperors Children. Plus a couple of knights... I will definitely put the purchases on hold now. Until new noise marines come along, of course!
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Post by: IanVanCheese
Gone for the Necron box from Wayland for now. It's very likely I cave on the Imperial Fists box at some point too.
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Post by: Souleater
Helix are reliable although you have to wait for them to put their orders in on a Monday.
Their customer service folks have been very good, too. (Dealing with my faffing about, no problems from their end)
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Post by: Alexonian
 Legiocustodes wrote:Just ordered the Interdiction Force and the Imperial Fist Force for just under £80 each from Wayland with free postage!!
Can’t wait to get them
wonder if they forgot to add the "Bulky" restriction on them, wouldn't be the first time. also weird that they are 79.52 instead of 80?
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Post by: complex57
You made me snort my coffee.
Have an exalt.
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Post by: ElvisJuice
The titan bundle is a bit of a no-brainer if like me you've been holding off on getting too far in with Titanicus (I bought the GME and sold half the models, haven't bought any of the new titans yet). Just a shame you need all the piddly bits of cardboard and cards to play
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Post by: John Prins
Really tempted by the Primaris Interdiction box. $345 CAD for $200 is pretty good, It's a free Repulsor and Captain.
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Post by: dyndraig
 ElvisJuice wrote:The titan bundle is a bit of a no-brainer if like me you've been holding off on getting too far in with Titanicus (I bought the GME and sold half the models, haven't bought any of the new titans yet). Just a shame you need all the piddly bits of cardboard and cards to play
Or use them for Epic instead, that's my plan 
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Post by: Binabik15
 Alexonian wrote: Legiocustodes wrote:Just ordered the Interdiction Force and the Imperial Fist Force for just under £80 each from Wayland with free postage!!
Can’t wait to get them
wonder if they forgot to add the "Bulky" restriction on them, wouldn't be the first time. also weird that they are 79.52 instead of 80?
I was wondering about the bulkyness as well.
And what box I actually want. Death Guard is not terribly exciting and I sure as hell don't need more Blightlords, but I only have one Drone and no Crawler so far. Idoneth has frigging SHARKS(!!!) and the DoK monster elves are SO nice and I really should limit the amount of armies I have, even as allies.
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Post by: rtb02
Alexonian wrote: Legiocustodes wrote:Just ordered the Interdiction Force and the Imperial Fist Force for just under £80 each from Wayland with free postage!!
Can’t wait to get them
wonder if they forgot to add the "Bulky" restriction on them, wouldn't be the first time. also weird that they are 79.52 instead of 80?
Ordering from Wayland?...
Good luck getting them...
It's free postage because they don't send stuff!!!
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Post by: Alexonian
rtb02 wrote: Alexonian wrote: Legiocustodes wrote:Just ordered the Interdiction Force and the Imperial Fist Force for just under £80 each from Wayland with free postage!!
Can’t wait to get them
wonder if they forgot to add the "Bulky" restriction on them, wouldn't be the first time. also weird that they are 79.52 instead of 80?
Ordering from Wayland?...
Good luck getting them...
It's free postage because they don't send stuff!!!
Ive received every order Ive ever ordered from them, they do take a while though
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Post by: Thairne
Ordered 2 AdMech Boxes from Element Games.
130€ retail for 90.40€?
I can take that. Price went up with postage and the usual PayPal ripoff fees, but 195€ still is a LOT less than 260€... Considering as single purchases that's almost 400€ I really can't complain.
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Post by: Alexonian
 Thairne wrote:Ordered 2 AdMech Boxes from Element Games.
130€ retail for 90.40€?
I can take that. Price went up with postage and the usual PayPal ripoff fees, but 195€ still is a LOT less than 260€... Considering as single purchases that's almost 400€ I really can't complain.
I used to order everything from EG, but every time I made a larger order the package would arrive open because they only put a single piece of tape over the top, and I told them several times and they did nothing
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Post by: WobblyGoblin
I’ve not had a good experience with Wayland but others obviously do (they are still in business after all).
For something that is likely to be limited release, such as these boxes, I would be extra cautious though. They don’t seem the most pro-active in either stocking their sales or notifying customers when the stock is never going to come.
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Post by: grouchoben
I have to mention Alchemists Workshop here, if we're talking best online shops to order from. They normally beat out Element on prices (eg hellblasters £26.95 vs Element's £29.75), although the battle boxes are the same, £80... and they are lightning quick.
Triple Helix are a shade cheaper but slower and what they have in stock is a bit hard to see, whereas Alchemists, what they say they have, they have. Lovely people though, very reliable.
Element's cool too, wide range of stock, but again, they often say they have stuff in which they don't. AW is where I always get my big purchases from, and then normal boxes from lfgs.
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Post by: Overread
Firestorm Games have always done me good without any issues, prompt to ship; easy to see stock levels and generally proactive with any communications with regard to issues (not that I've ever really had any that were not my own doing such as entering the wrong address).
Wayland are much better now than they were. Their website clearly shows stock and your order page after you make an order clearly shows which items have stock allocated to them and which are awaiting resupply. They are also good at resolving any issues once you contact them. I've also noticed that their system now generates an automatic support contact if an order is outstanding on their system for around 4 weeks. Would be nicer if this were sooner, but it at least creates it.
They do tend to have stock issues and if something is out of stock you might well find they are slower than many others to get stock in and ship it out. Like some stores this can vary depending on when you order and if you order before they put in their weeks orders you've got more chance than if you're after that cuttoff date and have to wait for the next weeks shipment.
Overall I recommend Wayland with the only warning that if its out of stock you might wait a bit longer than with some other stores.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Kind of tempted to pick up two of the Titan Sets.
From a discounter, I get the bits I really want (Reavers and Warhound), then the two Warlords.
One I’ll keep, and actually magnetise this time, ready for future weapons. The other? Well, maybe I’ll keep hold of it for now, so I can better react to the weapons we’ve not had a preview of.
For a largely reasonable amount of money, I should be able to Field most Maniples in the game.
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Post by: Tombard
So is it 5 or 10 Hellblasters in the Imperial Fists Box? If its 10, i am sold. If its 5, i am not sure if i want to add another box of 10 just to get a full squad of 10....
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Post by: Geifer
It's five Hellblasters. We have a picture of the back of the box.
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Post by: Tombard
I see. Thank you!
It's a bummer though.
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Post by: Geifer
Yeah, kind of. But I guess since we're already saving around 100€ over the individual kits, another five Hellblasters might have been a bit much.
Not that I would have complained.
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Post by: Tombard
It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Tombard wrote:It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
The Combat Squads seemed to be less than stellar in terms of sales... except for the Hellblasters.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Tombard wrote:It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
Well, the obvious solution is to get two battleforces 
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Post by: Geifer
Tombard wrote:It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
Yeah, makes sense. I wouldn't know what's desirable in the game at the moment. I've hardly played 8th ed and my last game was in February.
lord_blackfang wrote: Tombard wrote:It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
Well, the obvious solution is to get two battleforces
How convenient that this box is the only way to get the Imperial Fists sprue, then. What more incentive could you want?
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Post by: John Prins
Tombard wrote:It's not about the money, this is still a bargain and i am about to order it anyways.
The thing is, if i want to have a full squad of 10 Hellblasters, i have to buy an additional box of...10. So i have 5 too much. if they would still sell the combat squad boxes...
If you have Dark Imperium, you'd have 5 Hellblasters. Adding +5 from the Battleforce brings you to 10.
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Post by: Tombard
Which leaves me with the standard Plasma Incinerator. If i would like to build 10 Heavy Plasma Incinerators i would have the same problem.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Tombard wrote:Which leaves me with the standard Plasma Incinerator. If i would like to build 10 Heavy Plasma Incinerators i would have the same problem.
They come in boxes of 5 as well.
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Post by: Tombard
Nah, that was a timed offer. Now you can only buy the squad box of 10.
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Post by: aracersss
there is this popping up in b&c
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Post by: JohnnyHell
So comparing an arm straight out to one raised up with the shoulder part at an angle is a direct comparison. Ok. Riiight.
Funny how it looks perfectly fine and to scale on the 360s of the models. Nothing to see here.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Yup, straight arms stretch further than bent ones. Glad they took the time to confirm the fething obvious.
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Post by: John Prins
Tombard wrote:Which leaves me with the standard Plasma Incinerator. If i would like to build 10 Heavy Plasma Incinerators i would have the same problem.
Quit moving the goalpost.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Spoiler tags for those on mobile, if you please.
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Post by: Crimson
Tombard wrote:Which leaves me with the standard Plasma Incinerator. If i would like to build 10 Heavy Plasma Incinerators i would have the same problem.
Why would you? They are terrible.
(I mean I liked the five man boxes too, but they're gone and that's that.)
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Post by: Flinty
Tombard wrote:Which leaves me with the standard Plasma Incinerator. If i would like to build 10 Heavy Plasma Incinerators i would have the same problem.
EBay. There will be traders buying up the battleforces and sell8ng them off as parts. I predict that just after release there will.be a fair few sets of 5 hellblasters on the sprue to.pick up. Alternatively pick up the easy to.build hellblasters and a.set of separate heavy backpacks for another couple of quid.
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