Yeah, I wonder if most of the PC problems are due to older operating systems. I have Windows 7 and it runs perfectly. I havn't even run into many game glitches like the flying backwards dragons at all.

There is the issue with certain pieces of headgear not staying with the heads I cut off, like full face Guard Helmets and Cicero's jester cap.

64 bit windows seven has only crashed when my pc overheats after 20 hours of solid skyrimming.

My Windows XP 32 bit system runs perfectly fine after they patched up the only problem I had.

It can run a bit slowly at times but I blame that on my computer being close to six or seven years old by now.

Like running a PS3 game on a PS2, heh.

Verifying the game cache seemed to fix the issue, and I spent the last few hours grinding soul gems. All i've got left to do is get Alchemy to 100 from 65; the 5 levels of training should take me to Level 45, so I can get another 5 directly after and then have to get 25 more levels from somewhere...

I had some weird lagg problems with my assassin the higher level she got. Im not sure why, Im assuming its the size of the saves maybe? I thought it was due to the PS3 getting hot after playing awhile, but it wasnt that, Id check the PS3 and it was completely cool to the touch, and it would lagg right as I started the game a few times, from my playstation sitting all night.

My new character is at lvl20 now (my assassin was like 37) and so far no laggy problems. Any other console gamers have a similar experience?

I play on PS3.
I have a character almost level 50. Load times are definitely longer, but no real issues otherwise.

Editing to add:
I think it crashed once, during the first week of play.

I cannot investigate the scene of a murder.

That is the extent of the problems I have found.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214198p1.html

Yes, apparently the PS3 version has some problems. Don't want to start a console war but it's become a whole big controversial thing now.

KingCracker wrote:I had some weird lagg problems with my assassin the higher level she got. Im not sure why, Im assuming its the size of the saves maybe? I thought it was due to the PS3 getting hot after playing awhile, but it wasnt that, Id check the PS3 and it was completely cool to the touch, and it would lagg right as I started the game a few times, from my playstation sitting all night.

My new character is at lvl20 now (my assassin was like 37) and so far no laggy problems. Any other console gamers have a similar experience?

I had that on my xbxo, restarted the box, and it was fine again.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214198p1.html

Yes, apparently the PS3 version has some problems. Don't want to start a console war but it's become a whole big controversial thing now.

I usually prefer PS3 games, but this is one I wish I would have bought on the 360, (PC if I had a decent set up).

I have ran into a ton of problems:

Books on bookshelf disappear if I put too many on the shelf at one time.

Armour disappears if I put it on a manaquin.

I can wear a Dragon Mask and a Falmer Helmet at the same time.

Bard Instruments stay in my inventory even after I have completed the quest.

Saves get corrupted over 12 MB rather easily which cause the game to freeze and forces me to do a hard restart of the system. Fixed by turning off all autosaves except the travel autosave and deleting corrupted data when it appears.

Vendors will often not sell me stuff unless I talk to them 2-3 times. (The option just doesn't appear for some reason)

Clean up the Murderer's mess has disappeared from the decorations for my home option. The mess is still there.

Sometimes the option to open a door doesn't appear where it should. I have to jump up and activate the option towards the top of really large doors.

Ulfric will not give me the quest after liberating the reach.

The quest to liberate the reach was very glitchy. The stormcloaks that were supposed to help me take over a fort never appeared and the people inside of the fort were not there either. The only way to liberate the reach was to walk into Markath and fight the Jarl, House Carl, and Steward. The reach has been liberated but the story line for the civil war will not progress any further.

The investigate the Bard's College quest will not complete. I have got all the instruments and the main guy still has the arrow over his head. Will not complete, (oh and he goes to bed with a torch).

The Night Mother will not let me warm her bones anymore.



That is all off the top of my head...

Lord Scythican wrote:


That is all off the top of my head...

Some of those I have run into on PC as well. For some reason, each play through offers me new glitches.. In the same playthrough, the house in Windhelm wouldn't clean up the blood, even though I payed for it. The house in Whiterun, the bed didn't upgrade, even though I payed for it (and thus I couldn't get the sleeping bonus)

Until recently, regardless of save files or anything, the game would randomly crash when exiting a load screen (at the most inopportune times mind you), but this has apparently been fixed with subsequent playthroughs.

Hjerim (the house in Windhelm) is currently bugged on all platforms. To get rid of the blood and bones, you have to purchase "Clean up that murder's mess" BEFORE you purchase the living room upgrade. And, if you don't exit dialog between purchasing "Clean up that murder's mess" and purchasing other upgrades, it can sometimes bug out.

Grakmar wrote:Hjerim (the house in Windhelm) is currently bugged on all platforms. To get rid of the blood and bones, you have to purchase "Clean up that murder's mess" BEFORE you purchase the living room upgrade. And, if you don't exit dialog between purchasing "Clean up that murder's mess" and purchasing other upgrades, it can sometimes bug out.

Yea I ran into that problem, you just have to buy that "upgrade" before all the others. Its still glitched for me that the Jarl of Riften still wont even talk to me so I cant become thane of the Rift.

The Thing thats bugging me is being currently unable to complete quests

- first Thieves Guild Mission: Killed the wood elf and searched his body which was 3/5 in the the floor and no Key for safe. Then went to safe broke it open took all the money inside but the quest still says i have to clear it out.

- Second Stormcloak Mission: Killed the Draugr Deathlord (?) but the Jagged Crown wasn't in his inventory

- Escape Chidia Mine: quite evidently completed it since i am out of it.

I murdered everyone in the mine before starting the forsworn quests so now I can't complete them

with the first thieves guild quest, is it the one withs the beehives? If so you need to burn them to complete the quest.

You can burn them by just equipping a flame spell and standing with your hand near them, much quieter than casting fire spells.

You can also do it by standing next to them and holding a torch...
Though the light might get you spotted...

^You'll get noticed either way, after all 3 of 5 beehives on fire is a bit noticeable. Quite annoying when your a thief who relies on the 15x dagger damage perk.

I just sprayed flames over 3 of them, jumped into the lake and swam to the shore.

Avatar 720 wrote:I just sprayed flames over 3 of them, jumped into the lake and swam to the shore.

Same. That location is near impossible to sneak into, no matter how good your thief is or how many times you try. On the other hand, it is pretty easy to just run in, light up 3 of the hives, then run out.



@Hlaine Larkin mk2
I have also had several quests become broken. Among them the main quest (the ratway part).
For the Thief quest though, you need to steal the deed from the safe, not the money (although you can obviously steal the money as well).

Avatar 720 wrote:I just sprayed flames over 3 of them, jumped into the lake and swam to the shore.

Same here


But yea Ive noticed some rather annoying bugs as well. My (and my brother's as well) manaquins will also go invisible when I put items on them,the weapons racks, I cant activate (the ones that hold swords?) so I spent all that cash on the house with the murder scene in it (well the interior anyways ) and I cant even use it. Another annoying thing, is Im one of those guys that like to clear shelves and put my own, cool stuff from around the world on them. If I put to much gak on them and leave, when I come back it looks like the shelves had vomited all the items out onto the floor. So now Im still experimenting with how much is too much. Worst part is, I didnt have THAt much stuff on them either. Literally, the most was I had 2 ancient nord helms on top, a witches head, and maybe 5 random ingredients on the middle shelf and on the bottom I had a mammoth tusk, and 4ish random animal claws. So really not that much, and KAPLOW!!!!! all over the place


But I dont have problems with my book shelf

Hjeirm is unfortunately very bugged, which is a shame because it's the perfect place to display my gear. Solitude's house doesn't have the facilities above ground anywhere, and Markarth's house isn't as well laid out.

I just prefer Hjeirm's layout of display facilities, the fact that you would be walking through a hall of armour and weaponry into the bedroom, where there's a rack above the bed and two more dagger cases next to the door.

But until it's fixed, i'm going to have to make-do with Markarth's place.

I took care of the estate first (got the documents, etc...) and then snuck out and had no issue getting to the beehives. Granted this was not the same on my Fighter who's idea of sneaking involves using black colored heavy armor

I tried changing the clothing on my character's spouse. Unfortunately the whole clothing thing is also bugged, you can use console commands to equip clothing to them but they'll switch back to their default clothing as soon as you leave or no longer have them as a follower(similar to how I gave Lydia better armor but she always takes it off whenever I don't have her as a follower). So whenever you leave they revert back to their default clothing, I decided to fix this by equipping the clothes I wanted to giver her and then pickpocket her rags off of her. Unfortunately she's as stubborn as a mule so instead of wearing the nice, fancy clothes I decided to giver her she decides to run around in her undies. I just wanted her to look rich, my character owns every single house in the game but she wears her stupid mining shirt or nothing at all. Its so infuriating, is it too demanding that your spouse dresses for their social class?

Not to mention, I married some chick that is a shop keeper apparently, mainly because I thought she looked the best of all the possible wives, and I CANT change her clothing, no option to do that. Kindda annoyed by that, because I had some really nicely crafted Felsworn armor for her


And I too just said screw it and live in Markarth. Its a pretty decent house, but I prefer the murder scene one, again do to its layout. Is there ANY chance they will patch this gak or what?! How long does a game need to be out and have more bugs then a bee hive, to get fixed?

Needs more Sheogorath

Pfft! My wife should be running around my house in her under clothes, but it will not let me. Stupid game.

Wow. I laughed so hard playing Skyrim. Was in a cave killing off necros and skellies, came up to a large chamber. There were 2 necros and as soon as they saw me, the raised... 2 goats! I was shocked and just stopped playing as the 2 goats charged me. After I regained my composure, I Un-Forced and watched them all fly.

Ah, Skyrim. You can still surprise me.

I like playing on the PC.

Open up console command, type "sexchange". Watch in wonder as the entire Imperial Legion becomes a bunch of deep-voiced, rugged females.

its also fun to console command that everyone possible be wearing the Nocturnal robes... which is quite hilarious as well.

Haven't tried that one, but if i can get Tullius to wear it...

Ensis Ferrae wrote:its also fun to console command that everyone possible be wearing the Nocturnal robes... which is quite hilarious as well.

whats the command?

open the console, click on the target person, and type equipitem [item code number]


or if you want the item yourself, it would be player.additem [itemcode] #

Arent the Imperial Legion all females?

^No, your thinking of the Thalmor.

JohnnoM wrote:^No, your thinking of the Thalmor.

there are male thalmor as well, especially when conducting certain quests

Every robed Thalmor i've faced has been male, but the majority of elven-armoured thalmor have been women.

I beleive its Markath, the Thalmor group there is male/female. But yea, so far every robed Thalmor Ive seen is a male. Im thinking of remaking my mage type when Im done bashing the hell out of everything with my Berserker Orc, and in doing so, Im REALLY thinking of making an Altmer. Do they still have that insane weakness to magic like they used to? I havnt even glanced at them yet, so Ive no idea, but the thought of being some completely full of him/herself A-hole of an Altmer in Skyrim just really makes me want to do this

Im thinking that my second character will be a High Elf/Thalmor.
Take that, Blades.

Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

I really hope a DLC will involve starting the war again and bringing down the Thalmor.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

KingCracker wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

If you run across a guy asking if you know anything about an abandoned house and then asks you to assist him investigating it because he thinks it was used for Daedra worship imediately save. After you go in a certain glitch will trap you in the house FOREVER!

I roleplay my altmer mage as a member of the Thalmor.

Dunwich wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:I just sprayed flames over 3 of them, jumped into the lake and swam to the shore.

Same. That location is near impossible to sneak into, no matter how good your thief is or how many times you try. On the other hand, it is pretty easy to just run in, light up 3 of the hives, then run out.



@Hlaine Larkin mk2
I have also had several quests become broken. Among them the main quest (the ratway part).
For the Thief quest though, you need to steal the deed from the safe, not the money (although you can obviously steal the money as well).

Are you kidding?
Those Mercs have such a bad sneak/detection rating i could probably have moonwalked out of there without them seeing me...

I roleplay my Imperial as roleplaying the dragonborn. He's not really the dragonborn, but he has a damned good imagination.

KingCracker wrote:Not to mention, I married some chick that is a shop keeper apparently, mainly because I thought she looked the best of all the possible wives, and I CANT change her clothing, no option to do that. Kindda annoyed by that, because I had some really nicely crafted Felsworn armor for her


And I too just said screw it and live in Markarth. Its a pretty decent house, but I prefer the murder scene one, again do to its layout. Is there ANY chance they will patch this gak or what?! How long does a game need to be out and have more bugs then a bee hive, to get fixed?

I forgot what you were talking about Skyrim until i saw Markarth. Lol.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

If you run across a guy asking if you know anything about an abandoned house and then asks you to assist him investigating it because he thinks it was used for Daedra worship imediately save. After you go in a certain glitch will trap you in the house FOREVER!

Thats funny, I went in and it was perfectly fine. and I got an awsome mace too

halonachos wrote:I roleplay my Imperial as roleplaying the dragonborn. He's not really the dragonborn, but he has a damned good imagination.

Dark Elf rapper!
If you've got dragonborn problems i feel bad for son. I got 99 problems but my shout ain't one.

purplefood wrote:

halonachos wrote:I roleplay my Imperial as roleplaying the dragonborn. He's not really the dragonborn, but he has a damned good imagination.

Dark Elf rapper!
If you've got dragonborn problems i feel bad for son. I got 99 problems but my shout ain't one.

I presume he does this?

halonachos wrote:I roleplay my Imperial as roleplaying the dragonborn. He's not really the dragonborn, but he has a damned good imagination.

Whoa, you just blew my mind...

corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:

halonachos wrote:I roleplay my Imperial as roleplaying the dragonborn. He's not really the dragonborn, but he has a damned good imagination.

Dark Elf rapper!
If you've got dragonborn problems i feel bad for son. I got 99 problems but my shout ain't one.

I presume he does this?

That's the into video to the game...

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

If you run across a guy asking if you know anything about an abandoned house and then asks you to assist him investigating it because he thinks it was used for Daedra worship imediately save. After you go in a certain glitch will trap you in the house FOREVER!

So I'm at that part of the main quest where you're supposed to infiltrate the Thalmor embassy. So I give up all my equipment and then a friggin dragon attacks. So I'm basically fighting a dragon naked. Is that supposed to happen?

nah, its just a bad coencidence that a dragon spawn location is the stables outside Windhelm.

Last night I was playing the Diplomatic Relations part of the main quest. Right as I gave away all my items to begin the mission, an ancient dragon attacked! I hadn't even been given my party clothes yet, so there I was: naked and fighting an ancient dragon. Good times. (In the end I needed to reload and fight the dragon before giving away my items!)

edit: HOLY MOLY!!! Didn't see the above post. Good time know it's not just me

I've found killing Dragons to be pretty easy but I'm not sure I want to start doing 99 rounds of bare knuckle dragon boxing for a challenge.
Seriously I can not walk down the street without getting attacked by a dragon. They're like Nessie from that South Park episode.maybe they just want $3.50....


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Dunwich wrote:Last night I was playing the Diplomatic Relations part of the main quest. Right as I gave away all my items to begin the mission, an ancient dragon attacked! I hadn't even been given my party clothes yet, so there I was: naked and fighting an ancient dragon. Good times. (In the end I needed to reload and fight the dragon before giving away my items!)

edit: HOLY MOLY!!! Didn't see the above post. Good time know it's not just me

Are you serious? I ninja'd you about naked dragon boxing? WTF?!?

Yeah, Dragons are waaaaay too common.

They seriously should have cut the dragon occurences down by 75% and made them carry more gold, scales, and bones. Maybe every so often have a town get attacked, but not every 5 minutes.


You know somethings wrong when a Dragon Priest, who worshipped the Dragons as gods, is more powerful then a Dragon itself.

Grey Templar wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

If you run across a guy asking if you know anything about an abandoned house and then asks you to assist him investigating it because he thinks it was used for Daedra worship imediately save. After you go in a certain glitch will trap you in the house FOREVER!

Thats funny, I went in and it was perfectly fine. and I got an awsome mace too

As did I

Decided to day to test out whether or not I could 1hko a guard. So, I snuck up to one where I knew I wouldnt be found, and boom 15x dagger damage with a dwarven dagger and an orcish dagger power attack. So, I stupidly decided to try and slaughter the entire town of Riften (makes sense, right?) So i snuck around and found some dude named Bolli, and 15x dagger damaged him too. But the weird thing was as I clicked on his inventory, I became found, so that when I unclick I was being chased by guards. So I ran and jumped off of a railing and stood there for about a minute. No guards. So i decided to run to the gate entrance to Riften. I stood there for about a minute. No guards. Then all of a sudden, out comes like a bagillion guards with bows, i turned to exit the city and copped like 5 arrows losing nearly half my health. When I got outside, I ran and stole a horse and rode off until I stopped getting chased. Then I noticed movement, rode closer and saw 2 trolls gutterstomping an elk. I got off the horse ran up to one and got gutterstomped myself. So I ran away to the guards and got the guard and the trolls to fight each other. Once the guards died I ran away again, only to be killed by some random bandit. Next time I'll try a smaller town. How bout Rorikstead, is it a Jarldom?

Its in a Jarldom. In Whiterun hold.

Grey Templar wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just got hit by the House of Horrors glitch of Doom that can actually end your whole game if you don't save before. Fortunately, I'm a compulsive saver.

what exactly is that??? Never heard of this before.





And yea, Im thinking of making my Altmer a thalmor type as well

If you run across a guy asking if you know anything about an abandoned house and then asks you to assist him investigating it because he thinks it was used for Daedra worship imediately save. After you go in a certain glitch will trap you in the house FOREVER!

Thats funny, I went in and it was perfectly fine. and I got an awsome mace too

Yea me too. How exactly does this glitch happen? I went in, killed the guy when he ran like a pussy, and all is well


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Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, Dragons are waaaaay too common.

They seriously should have cut the dragon occurences down by 75% and made them carry more gold, scales, and bones. Maybe every so often have a town get attacked, but not every 5 minutes.


You know somethings wrong when a Dragon Priest, who worshipped the Dragons as gods, is more powerful then a Dragon itself.

Yea, I cant agree more. Thats the only time Ive turned the difficulty down is when a Priest is around. The first time I was just floored with how fething tough those guys are. And mainly for me (my berserker warrior) its their fething magic that I just cant handle. Im mid 20s and have focused on just health/stamina and it seems like a couple shots and Im running away bleeding and crying

Dragon priests are idiots, most of the ones I've fought have killed themselves on traps or walked past me and got back-stabbed.

I've only killed two Dragon Priests, Krosis and the one just before you enter the portal during the main quest. Krosis killed Lydia (same place in both of my main games), but the second dragon priest I had killed him most of the way with just Storm Call... He barely registered movement before he was a pile of ash.

Poor Lydia...
I like her, so she just stays in my house.

So I dropped a few health potions (minor) in the bee and barb and there was a huge fight over them, Mjoll murdered an old man in cold blood for that potion.

weird

Hilarious


I just ran into a problem. So you know the horses in Stormcloak camps. If you are a Stormcloak you can ride them.

On the second to last mission I went to get on the horse for a short ride to the fortress. Suddenly, I can't ride the horses and I have stolen it. The Stormcloak general whats his face begins attacking me.

I run away and take the fortress and report back to Ulfrik yadda yadda.

Then I go to the final assault of Solitude. run up to the camp, and the general dude STILL attacks me. Stormcloaks could care less.

The problem is he won't accept my yield. what do I do? I can't complete the quest and my only auto-saves are after the incident. The last regular save is just when I began the Liberation of Skyrim(I do quests all at once)

Regarding the dragons being easy, I remember beating the Arena in oblivion level 2/3. Bethesda don't exactly make it difficult to have epic accomplishments, console gamers don't like difficult things.
Anyone know of any mods that make good changes to the game? Would love to see stronger giants/mammoths/dragons.

Giants and Mammoths are ok power wise I think. until you get to level 10 you don't want to even think about tangling with them.

Dragons do need to be stronger and less common.

Less common......feth me, YES! LESS COMMON PLEASE GOD MAKE THEM LESS COMMON.

Tonight is a perfect example. I was showing my nephew the game with my berserker. Im running around and a dragon attacks. So while Im fighting this thing (read, waiting for it to land and choppy time) another shows up, I said oh cool, my first 2 dragon encounter! Kill one super fast, my berserker rage runs out, and now I have to equip my ebony armor to handle the 2nd. So I run behind a tree to heal up, and a pack of dogs charge me from somewhere, so almost dead, I run away from them while healing, AND trying to stay away from the 2nd dragon, when I gak you not, a 3RD! fething dragon soars around and comes down. I couldnt believe it

I always wondered how melée charectors handled situations like that.
Turns out, not too well.
The joys of being a High Elf Mage. Once per day rapid magic regen=instant win.
The AI for the sommoned demons is fething stupid though. The flame one is alright usually but the ice one just stands there.

I found Frosty the Frost Atronach to be my favourite. Flamey the Flame Atronach was okay, but preferred doing her fiery trailblazing movement instead of attacking, and Dave the Storm Atronach just stood there and threw lightning bolts, enemies generally ignored him.

Who needs conjuration when you have the Sanguine Rose?

Joey wrote:console gamers don't like difficult things.

Ninja Gaiden wants a word with you, mister elitist.

Can you think of any open world RPG that isn't piss easy? Cause I can't.

For once I agree with Sol, open world RPG's tend to be easy. The only real challenges I've found in skyrim are self imposed (finish dungeons without being noticed or killing anything for example).

My level 46 thief fought his first dragon yesterday (he's a late bloomer ok?) and took in down in around 8 swipes of his legendary glass dagger of 15 points absorb health, was fun.

I also used the soul trap enchantment for the first time and damn that animation is awesome, it's like the fething quickening!

And if you see a banish enchanted weapon, acquire it and disenchant it ASAP! Iron daggers (unimproved) enchanted with banish using petty soul gems go up in value to 1400 gold.

corpsesarefun wrote:
And if you see a banish enchanted weapon, acquire it and disenchant it ASAP! Iron daggers (unimproved) enchanted with banish using petty soul gems go up in value to 1400 gold.

the problem I have found is that at various points in the game, I REALLY don't need more gold, and sellers are more broke than the homeless people who run around the various towns.

I just sell a dagger to every merchant I find that is willing to buy one, they usually have enough money to buy a single dagger and you can never have enough gold!

corpsesarefun wrote:For once I agree with Sol, open world RPG's tend to be easy. The only real challenges I've found in skyrim are self imposed (finish dungeons without being noticed or killing anything for example).

Agreed. There is little room for good balance if any quest may be done at 8th or 48th lvl depending which city you just happen to go.
This is kinda why I lost interest in the game. I just stopped playing after the last Brotherhood quest. It was really, really painfully easy. I am sneak type khajiit (dagger/bow with a hint of magic for support, light armour ofc) but I was running around bare fisted. A bear, troll or city guard could handle this assassination.

Yeah the final brotherhood quest was depressingly easy, the thieves guild quest where you have to break into the safe of that honey farm wasn't hard but it was at least interesting at a lower level and that is the closest Skyrim got to having good sneaky quests.

A disappointment considering how amusing some of oblivions assassination quests were, that said though I was actually sort of moved by the DB questline towards the end.

corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah the final brotherhood quest was depressingly easy, the thieves guild quest where you have to break into the safe of that honey farm wasn't hard but it was at least interesting at a lower level and that is the closest Skyrim got to having good sneaky quests.

A disappointment considering how amusing some of oblivions assassination quests were, that said though I was actually sort of moved by the DB questline towards the end.

That final Black Sacrament was a bit of a tear jerker

As to the dragons being too few, I need more in my game. I rarely see dragons attacking on my Assassin, it took me running across the map going to the dragon lairs to get a few much needed souls for words I wanted. My Nord had more souls than he knew what to do with, and my Orc and Mage have yet to encounter any, and they're nearing their twenties...


Edit: When I say they haven't encountered any, I mean besides the first one outside of whiterun.

So after you kill the dragon outside of whiterun at level 46 you get ancient dragons spawning everywhere... My super-squishy rogue is fethed.

corpsesarefun wrote:So after you kill the dragon outside of whiterun at level 46 you get ancient dragons spawning everywhere... My super-squishy rogue is fethed.

My lvl 44 rogue doesn't have that problem? What seems to be the issue?

Ill agree with Corpses, my assassin had some trouble with dragons until I started getting some REALLY badass weapons made. Even then I had to be somewhat cautious of my health (even though I focused on health more then anything) against dragons. It kindda sucks, because you either arnt spotted by dragons and so get gak for shouts, OR you stand up and chase them down to try and provoke a fight, and THEN your awesome sneakyness kindda goes away

It might just be the fact that my Rogue is built on legendary enchanted dragonscale (Legendary Shield of 23% Magic Resist and 29% Magic resist (the second acquired from disenchanting the Shield of Solitude, which gives you a unique Magic Resist, allowing you to have two on the same piece with the 100 Enchanting perk), Legendary Helm of 48% Archery and 29% Cheaper destruction spells, Legendary Chestplate of 29% Cheaper Destro spells and 18% cheaper destro spells + 10% magicka regen, Legendary Gauntlets of 48% Archery and 48% one-handed, Legendary Boots of 48% Sneak and 48% one-handed), two enchanted jewellery pieces (Necklace of 29% magic resist and 29% cheaper destruction spells and ring of... something), and one of the following weapons:

2x Legendary Glass Dagger of 15pts Absorb Health and ~20-25pts fire damage
1x Legendary Glass Sword of the same
1x Legendary Glass Bow of the same

Thanks to having 105% cheaper destruction spells, both the absorb health and fire damage don't use up charges, the sword can be used with the shield for 81% magic resistance (cap is 85%, couldn't be bothered wasting a spot on the ring just for the extra 4%), and it's all awesome.

Best part is that I didn't cheat (unless you count using Fortify Alchemy gear to make stronger potions as "cheating") and it took me until around level 46-48 to complete everything (well, to be bothered to complete everything) required to make it all.

I can still get my arse handed to me by groups of powerful mages (even with 81% magic resist, frost spells (especially ice storm) can still tear me a new one) but I stand a chance if i'm caught whilst sneaking now

Maybe my dad changed my difficulty and I've never noticed... Because I have no trouble with anything in this game except mages. And for some reason my Orc has no trouble with them lol... I blame the fact I'm playing through him on 3rd person lol

I destroy mages and indeed anything I can sneak up on.

As KC said dragons don't land if they can't see you.

I can obliterate mages if I can get the drop on them, or one/two if I don't, but if i'm caught by a group of necromancers or frost mages then it's more of a struggle.

I've got into the habit of just standing in front of pyromancers for a while though, it's funny to watch them spray flames and shoot fireballs at you whilst dealing near enough 0 damage.

I always have tons of invisibility potions so if I'm caught off guard I crouch (breaking targeting), pop a pot and roll a few times to really throw them off.

After that I sneak up behind them and slit their throats.

Every time I take a walk, Im attacked by a dragon.

Thankfully I've met a few normal and blood dragons now rather than the ancient and elder bastards so I have a few shouts.

I've never used shouts, except the dash one for luls with giants.
Spells seem powerful enough.
Also apparently there's some Mage Stone you can go to to increase magic level generation, where's that at.

At the cluster of Guardian Stones you go past right after you flee Helgen and go on your way to Riverwood with your new Imperial/Stormcloak BFF. There's the Thief, Mage, and Warrior stones, which makes you gain 20% more experience when using Thief, Mage, and Warrior skills respectively.

My Berserker Orc has trouble with frost mages as well. Holy hell those guys can just strip health off me in no time. Other then that, I can take on 4 or 5 mages at a time and not sweat it.

Something Ive noticed, Ive cleared a couple of the actual Dragon sites (the ones that have the dragon head symbol on the compass) and even though on my map it says its cleared, I can show up at a couple sites and everytime I do, theres (Now) 2 dragons at each site so far. WTF?!


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Oh, I also changed my Berserkers look. Now Im wearing a legendary set of fur armor (the one that has a bare chest) and the stormcloak generals gauntlets and boots. Looks pretty badass. And Im such a hardass that I rarely have to put on my full daedric armor......well minus the helm, I think the Daedric helm looks slowed. I wear the Dragonbone helm

KingCracker wrote:My Berserker Orc has trouble with frost mages as well. Holy hell those guys can just strip health off me in no time. Other then that, I can take on 4 or 5 mages at a time and not sweat it.

Something Ive noticed, Ive cleared a couple of the actual Dragon sites (the ones that have the dragon head symbol on the compass) and even though on my map it says its cleared, I can show up at a couple sites and everytime I do, theres (Now) 2 dragons at each site so far. WTF?!


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Oh, I also changed my Berserkers look. Now Im wearing a legendary set of fur armor (the one that has a bare chest) and the stormcloak generals gauntlets and boots. Looks pretty badass. And Im such a hardass that I rarely have to put on my full daedric armor......well minus the helm, I think the Daedric helm looks slowed. I wear the Dragonbone helm

I'm a Mage-Archer so I use bows and spells, which is amazing considering the Mage Robes make you look a little like Ezio from Assassins Creed making my assassination twice as epic.

KingCracker wrote:
Oh, I also changed my Berserkers look. Now Im wearing a legendary set of fur armor (the one that has a bare chest) and the stormcloak generals gauntlets and boots. Looks pretty badass. And Im such a hardass that I rarely have to put on my full daedric armor......well minus the helm, I think the Daedric helm looks slowed. I wear the Dragonbone helm

I have all Daedric armor and the Masque of Clavicus Vile for the helmet. They look so awesome together. Love that helmet.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Masque_of_Clavicus_Vile_%28Skyrim%29

(Also an Orc Beserker)

Here is me getting married in full get-up.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheHorror/screenshot/594707594700475195?tab=public

I didn't realize dragons could attack walled cities till it was right on top on me in Solitude. Literally. Scared the daylights out of me!

^lol that does make sense though.

Wondering what class I should do next, I've done a 2handed ork berserker, a high elf mage and a dark elf thief. What do you guess reckon I should do next?

Breton battlemage.

Nord beerdrinker..

Dark Elf Rapper...

Dark Elf Rogue, Imperial Paladin, Khajiit Boxer and a High Elf Mage here.

Nord Bard

Dunwich wrote:

KingCracker wrote:
Oh, I also changed my Berserkers look. Now Im wearing a legendary set of fur armor (the one that has a bare chest) and the stormcloak generals gauntlets and boots. Looks pretty badass. And Im such a hardass that I rarely have to put on my full daedric armor......well minus the helm, I think the Daedric helm looks slowed. I wear the Dragonbone helm

I have all Daedric armor and the Masque of Clavicus Vile for the helmet. They look so awesome together. Love that helmet.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Masque_of_Clavicus_Vile_%28Skyrim%29

(Also an Orc Beserker)

Here is me getting married in full get-up.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheHorror/screenshot/594707594700475195?tab=public

Durr, why didnt I think of the Masque? Ill probably have to go and hunt that one down. But I must say, the Dragonbone helm looks pretty nice ontop of all that daedric.

I just love my Berserker Orc though, I seriously feel like a green Conan when I bullcharge into camps and start lobbing heads off and running Imperials through

Thanks for the opinions guys, I like the sound of the khajiit boxer and the nord beerdrinker. Might have to try one of them lol.

For the boxer, Id say work on your heavy armor, so you can get that perk that lets your gauntlets AR do that amount of damage


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I can CLOBBER bandits with my Orc currently lol

Yeah for my boxer I put alternate levels in HP and stamina and do lots of crafting to level up, my perks mostly go into light AND heavy armour treating heavy armour as the weapon skill and using heavy gauntlets with the rest of my armour being light.

But you eventually get to the perks that increase your armor if its matching.

True, I simply prefer light armour on that character though.

It's hardly a powerful playstyle

But have you punched a Dragon yet? Im almost curious enough to try it out, so far my Orc is something like 5 and 0 for fist fights, and like I said before, I can 1 hit bandits. Granted, you cant compare bandits to dragons....... maybe Ill get stupid and try my luck on a Giant first.



Speaking of, I had something hilarious happen yesterday and it was the first its happened. I was fighting a Dragon, and although I was winning, I suddenly went into a cinematic and watched helplessly as it devoured me whole

Travel Skyrim the MANLY WAY.

A few days ago I decided I wasn't tough enough, so I provoked a Giant and stood there training Block, Light Armour and Restoration for a few minutes, shield bashing him whenever he swung so I could regenerate magicka. I eventually got bored, hamstrung him and drove Oblivion (my Aborb Health and Fire Damage Glass Longsword) up through his skull, then stole his toe and walked off.

Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Don't be overwhelmed by quests. You will gets lots of them and my suggestion is don't do the main storyline for the majority of the time you play. I suggest this because I personally lose interest in all the other cool stuff after the main game is completed, a feeling I find common among other people.
Also take the time to explore to your hearts content, since the scenery really is beautiful and fast traveling takes out alot of the wonder you can get from going on foot.
Magic depending on what you go is weaker than melee so I've found so the best way to go is hybrid type builds unless you really want to dedicate yourself to a certain role for your character. I'd also recommend getting up smithing quickly so you can upgrade enchanted items

Honestly the rest is up to you, nothing you can really do is wrong. Just immerse yourself as you would in a taletop roleplaying game and you'll have fun.

Some basic stuff you might not know or miss:

- There are some standing stones that are easy to miss on the way to the first town. You can use one of these to boost experience gain in a branch of skills (Thief, Fighter, Mage)
- See your current effects and illnesses under magic -> Active Effects
- You can sprint. (alt on PC, don't know what it is on consoles)

Also, choose wisely when picking perks. It's best to specialise in 3 or 4 skill trees, to be effective.

Don't invest too much time and energy in your first character unless you know what you're doing. Since you can't reset your perks, it's very likely that you'll mess up a few times, leading to a less-than-satisfactory character in the end.

Once you get the hang of the game, and get the type of character you want in your head, be it a stealthy assassin, a destruction mage who's a few sparks short of a lightning bolt, or a berserk warrior with a fondness for smashing people's faces in and squishing bunny rabbits, then i'd reccommend making a new character, since it's very unlikely that you'll be able to re-balance an existing one.

Think of your first character as a test run as opposed to your main guy, especially if you're new to the game. I played Oblivion before and I thought i'd have it all down to a T, but I haven't touched my first character for ages because I messed up a few perk points, and didn't like where it took me.

I've rerolled a Khaajit.
There is no way to skill up unarmed from what I can see.
Is it worth bothering with so? Do your attacks with it scale as you level or is it only intended for early game fights?
There are no special attacks you can perform at all with it?

Ratius wrote:I've rerolled a Khaajit.
There is no way to skill up unarmed from what I can see.
Is it worth bothering with so? Do your attacks with it scale as you level or is it only intended for early game fights?
There are no special attacks you can perform at all with it?

This is one problem that I have with Skyrim... I wanted an "Unarmored" skill tree, and a "hand to hand" skill tree, so that I can make a kung-fu monk character.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Purchase an air cannon for the office.

n0t_u wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Purchase an air cannon for the office.

Derp sha derp on their part

Has anyone else got to level 50+ and finding the game extremely difficult in some areas? I have fought up to 5 Draugr Deathlords at a time and Falmer Shadowmasters or whatever their called usually kill me in one arrow with 100 heavy armour wearing Dragon Armour.

I plan to boost using enchanting/alchemy/smithing, but I need to level my alchemy and get the right herbs D:

Im on normal, and have never had trouble before, I also have all the best weapons in the game so idk. The enemy scaling gets pretty fudged once you hit 48ish.

Shadowmasters? I'm level 30 and I two-shot them with bows. Granted, they're sneak attacks, and there's only a few of them, but still.

KingCracker wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Purchase an air cannon for the office.

Derp sha derp on their part

I think it was an office prank. Some settle for just printscreening the desktop and setting it as the desktop, these guys take it to 11.

Jaon wrote:Has anyone else got to level 50+ and finding the game extremely difficult in some areas? I have fought up to 5 Draugr Deathlords at a time and Falmer Shadowmasters or whatever their called usually kill me in one arrow with 100 heavy armour wearing Dragon Armour.

I plan to boost using enchanting/alchemy/smithing, but I need to level my alchemy and get the right herbs D:

Im on normal, and have never had trouble before, I also have all the best weapons in the game so idk. The enemy scaling gets pretty fudged once you hit 48ish.

Mhm, nope, I played the whole game on expert and never had much trouble. Though I did have nearly 2k armor at the end. And did around 400damage with my mace and war axe....

Once more Soladrin reminds us that if you abuse gamebreaking glitches things become easy.

@ whoever wanted to go unarmed, train heavy armour! There is a perk that allows you to deal your heavy gauntlets armour rating in unarmed damage with each punch +normal unarmed damage + the khajjit bonus which adds up to some pretty decent damage, on par with normal close combat attacks. The armour rating is also dependant on your heavy armour skill so raising heavy armour even after getting that perk will increase the damage even more.

Twas I!
Dont really wanna go heavy armor though because Im playing sneaky cat, thief type creature (whilst casting destro spells) :(

It is a flaw in the system, but sneaking isn't bad in heavy armor.

Especially with muffle spells.

I play light armour for everything other than gauntlets for exactly that reason.

Jaon wrote:Has anyone else got to level 50+ and finding the game extremely difficult in some areas? I have fought up to 5 Draugr Deathlords at a time and Falmer Shadowmasters or whatever their called usually kill me in one arrow with 100 heavy armour wearing Dragon Armour.

I plan to boost using enchanting/alchemy/smithing, but I need to level my alchemy and get the right herbs D:

Im on normal, and have never had trouble before, I also have all the best weapons in the game so idk. The enemy scaling gets pretty fudged once you hit 48ish.

It absolutely gets really hard, depending on how you leveled.

I gained most of my levels by doing smithing/enchanting and spamming Muffle and other spells to level those up. Plus, I got Pickpocket to 100 and spent my training session on the off-skills I never used.

So, I got to level 50 and was still pretty bad at what I did "best" (1-hand, heavy armor). So, the game became INSANELY difficult. I got passed that by buying Daedra Hearts to make my armor, and by finishing off enchanting so I could duel-enchant. Now, the game is insanely easy.

n0t_u wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Purchase an air cannon for the office.

Derp sha derp on their part

I think it was an office prank. Some settle for just printscreening the desktop and setting it as the desktop, these guys take it to 11.

Those guys are feeling the effects of the "Oh gak" moment, you can tell.
Tee hee, hes about to open the door, ready?
ready!!!!! SQUEEEEEEE!
*door pops open*
NAOW!
KABLAMMY!!!!!
*blasts office co-worker across the room and into desks*
.......
......
.....
......
uhm.......Brian?

KingCracker wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any suggestions for someone who just got Skyrim and has no idea where to start (never played Oblivion).

Purchase an air cannon for the office.

Derp sha derp on their part

I think it was an office prank. Some settle for just printscreening the desktop and setting it as the desktop, these guys take it to 11.

Those guys are feeling the effects of the "Oh gak" moment, you can tell.
Tee hee, hes about to open the door, ready?
ready!!!!! SQUEEEEEEE!
*door pops open*
NAOW!
KABLAMMY!!!!!
*blasts office co-worker across the room and into desks*
.......
......
.....
......
uhm.......Brian?

*Brian gets up*
"I got you guys!"
*Everyone laughs*
*Awkward Silence*
"Uh, Brian, whatever you do, try not to look to your left..."
*Brian looks to his left*
"AAAARRGGGHHH, MY FETHING ARM!"

The armour I can enchant atm is rubbish compared to the archmages robes I got. I think I have 3/5 of the enchanting perk, and I seem to be able to make pretty useful rings but my robes suck.
Also any cheap way of getting empty soul gems or should I just buy as many as I can whenever I see them?

The only thing close to an unarmed perk I have seen is the Heavy Armor perk that increases your punch damage when wearing heavy armored gloves. This in no way makes it viable as an actual attack, just helps when brawling.

edit: beaten
Might be viable with a khajit bonus, but is certainly not on any other character. Even with a khajit, I doubt it will be more effective than the worst weapon you could find.
edit2: I remember when you first enter the Thieves Guild, there is an enemy with gloves that do bonus to unarmed damage. Maybe if you used that enchantment on everything you might stand a chance.

Yes, the Orc in the ratway has gloves that let you do more damage with had to hand.

Thanks peeps, I'll give it a go and let you know how it goes. Have gone double destro too so have that as a backup should things go pear.

Enchanting perks make a pretty big difference, as do enchanting potions.

My Skyrim soundtrack comes in the mail today!

And it's autographed by the composer!

*Squee*

Lucky bum. I've been listening to it on Youtube.

It's just not the same.

Is it bad I only use dragon rend, ww sprint, and sometimes detect life?

All the damage shouts I dont bother with, and others dont appeal to me.

Throw voice was ok because it let me hear myself, but after that I never used it again

Unrelenting Force helps me a lot, seeing as I tend to have big fights on cliffs.

Jaon wrote:Has anyone else got to level 50+ and finding the game extremely difficult in some areas? I have fought up to 5 Draugr Deathlords at a time and Falmer Shadowmasters or whatever their called usually kill me in one arrow with 100 heavy armour wearing Dragon Armour.

I plan to boost using enchanting/alchemy/smithing, but I need to level my alchemy and get the right herbs D:

Im on normal, and have never had trouble before, I also have all the best weapons in the game so idk. The enemy scaling gets pretty fudged once you hit 48ish.

I did the ogmah infinium glitch to get to lvl 81
Worst choice ever
Every dragon is an elder
Every draugr is a deathlord
Every [everything else] is max level

Its awful

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Is it bad I only use dragon rend, ww sprint, and sometimes detect life?

I have never used detect life, but I got it very late in the game so that is probably why.
The shout I used most was marked for death (especially on dragons before i got dragon rend)
The other two that I used frequently were unrelenting force (so useful against mass enemies, so hilarious on steep terrain) and slow time (best used with a melee character I think).

You're right that the damage shouts were practically useless.

Edit: Ice form was nice too.

Soladrin wrote:

Jaon wrote:Has anyone else got to level 50+ and finding the game extremely difficult in some areas? I have fought up to 5 Draugr Deathlords at a time and Falmer Shadowmasters or whatever their called usually kill me in one arrow with 100 heavy armour wearing Dragon Armour.

I plan to boost using enchanting/alchemy/smithing, but I need to level my alchemy and get the right herbs D:

Im on normal, and have never had trouble before, I also have all the best weapons in the game so idk. The enemy scaling gets pretty fudged once you hit 48ish.

Mhm, nope, I played the whole game on expert and never had much trouble. Though I did have nearly 2k armor at the end. And did around 400damage with my mace and war axe....

Yeah see I havent done any of that smithing/enchanting/alchemy boosting gak yet, so my bow does 100 damage and my total armour is 200....


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Dunwich wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Is it bad I only use dragon rend, ww sprint, and sometimes detect life?

I have never used detect life, but I got it very late in the game so that is probably why.
The shout I used most was marked for death (especially on dragons before i got dragon rend)
The other two that I used frequently were unrelenting force (so useful against mass enemies, so hilarious on steep terrain) and slow time (best used with a melee character I think).

You're right that the damage shouts were practically useless.

Edit: Ice form was nice too.

While I use all shouts (if you use a damage shout that a target is weak against, such as a frost troll and Fire breath, youll do well) I do find FUS RO DAH to be the most combat effective, because you can blow stuff off stairs / cliffs / overhangs and kill it with fall damage.

Jaon wrote:While I use all shouts (if you use a damage shout that a target is weak against, such as a frost troll and Fire breath, youll do well) I do find FUS RO DAH to be the most combat effective, because you can blow stuff off stairs / cliffs / overhangs and kill it with fall damage.

I'm not a fan of any shout that can cause damage or indirectly kill anything. Every time you use one of those, you miss out on XP that could go into your 1-Hand/2-Hand/Destruction skill.

Swordwind wrote:Lucky bum. I've been listening to it on Youtube.

It's just not the same.

I got it with my game, because I pre-ordered it.

I'm kind of bored now. I find the lack of any over-arching narrative makes it difficult to stay interested for long, I'm ticking off requirements rather than completing quests.

You bought an open world RPG.

Try getting back on the main quest.

corpsesarefun wrote:You bought an open world RPG.

I bought nothing.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Try getting back on the main quest.

Something to do with dragons? For some reason I need to save the world even though any reasonably powerful chap, of which this world has many, would be able to take them out by himself.
Also since when did a building and a well qualify as a "farm". These guys need fields.
And the world should be 10 times bigger.

Joey wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:You bought an open world RPG.

I bought nothing.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Try getting back on the main quest.

Something to do with dragons? For some reason I need to save the world even though any reasonably powerful chap, of which this world has many, would be able to take them out by himself.
Also since when did a building and a well qualify as a "farm". These guys need fields.
And the world should be 10 times bigger.

Fine, you make an Imperial Province and we'll see how big it is.

They could make it as big as they like, but it'd upset all the console weinies.
Maybe it's because I live in a more rural area so I have a fair idea of how far you can walk in a given time. It'd be nice to actually discover something rather than constantly stumbling across all these things.
I mean seriously how do the people of skyrim get around without falling across some undead crypt or bandit "hideout".

Because an open world RPG where you could walk for a couple of hours and find nothing but wheat fields and farmers would get really boring really fast, even with Fast Travel as an option.

Maybe someone will come out with an "Epic" Skyrim mod that triples the distances between stuff.

I know I want more walking with nothing going on...

^seconded, gotta love row on row of crops as far as the eye can see.

Whoops, I do use slow time

They still havn't fixed the issue with the Blessing of Talos doing nothing to reduce your Shout time. Active Effects still says 0% shout reduction

what do all the blessings do btw? and where can you get them?

Joey wrote:They could make it as big as they like, but it'd upset all the console weinies.
Maybe it's because I live in a more rural area so I have a fair idea of how far you can walk in a given time. It'd be nice to actually discover something rather than constantly stumbling across all these things.
I mean seriously how do the people of skyrim get around without falling across some undead crypt or bandit "hideout".

Skyrims map is smaller than the second, third and fourth instalments of the series. Go play them.

JohnnoM wrote:what do all the blessings do btw? and where can you get them?

You get them at Shrines located in the different temples. They heal all diseases and give a special effect.

Talos decreases Shout time(or it would if they would fix it )

Juilianos increases your health or something like that.

Stendarr increases Speachcraft or crafting abilities?


I havn't really bothered to check them out all that much, but I think they have the same effects as the Amulets associated with them.

If you want a game with a huge feth-off massive map, go play Just Cause 2.

Anyway, Skyrim arrived in the mail today. Time to play it.

Man, next time I play Im making a new character

Any tips? Im not wasting any damn points on conj or dest again, I hate how magic damage stays the same, only the cost goes dow. At level 81 even the best spells do feth all to everyone (and conj was boring )

I feel like I should put points into archery because its fun and effective for sneak kills, as well as points in the sneak damage modifiers because I really could have used those with my assassin who couldnt kill anything with 1 hit, even while sneaking (once again, my level 81)

I'd say go for the archery/sneak sniper type. I find it so effective and fun that my one-handed skill is going down the drain. I almost never have to backstab.

Q: Are there any NPCs that will enchant items for you or do you have to pick up the skill yourself?

Swordwind wrote:I'd say go for the archery/sneak sniper type. I find it so effective and fun that my one-handed skill is going down the drain. I almost never have to backstab.

I love the idea but once found I love running in and killing everyone with mah sword

Has anyone tested shouts with every race? Which sounds best?

I'm not too sure, but when it comes to race voices, I hate that my Argonian sounds like a human. I want raspy lizard voices. D:

I love running in and bashing stuff with an axe, but I keep that for my orc.

Yeah its a flaw alright, both my Argonian and Khaajit sound much too human =/

Also, whether you are a hefty Nord wearing full battle plate carrying a big two hander or a sneaky Breton wearing nothing but a loin cloth your movement sounds are the same, that sort of jangly shuffle.

Question for everybody:

Do you normally play third person, or first?

I almost exclusively played Oblivion in first, but have done a 180 and only play Skyrim in third.

First person.

Third when I'm running about, first when I'm in combat. I'd play Morrowind in third a lot with melee combat, but aiming didn't matter quite so much in that game.

First two characters were first person, and my Orc is Third Person

I always prefer 1st person. I'd do third person more if I ever wore my Nightingale armour.

Swordwind wrote:I always prefer 1st person. I'd do third person more if I ever wore my Nightingale armour.

Why don't you?

purplefood wrote:

Swordwind wrote:I always prefer 1st person. I'd do third person more if I ever wore my Nightingale armour.

Why don't you?

Because glass or any heavy armor provides better protection and the enchantments on it aren't all that great?

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Swordwind wrote:I always prefer 1st person. I'd do third person more if I ever wore my Nightingale armour.

Why don't you?

Because glass or any heavy armor provides better protection and the enchantments on it aren't all that great?

Yeah but does it make you look like medieval Batman?
You can upgrade the Nightingale armour to be as good as or better than dragon scale...

Nightengale isn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Scale... since you can upgrade Dragon Scale

Shrike325 wrote:Nightengale isn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Scale... since you can upgrade Dragon Scale

You can upgrade the Nightengale armor. It just depends on what level you get it at that determines whether or not it'll be worth keeping for a long time.

purplefood wrote:

Grakmar wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Swordwind wrote:I always prefer 1st person. I'd do third person more if I ever wore my Nightingale armour.

Why don't you?

Because glass or any heavy armor provides better protection and the enchantments on it aren't all that great?

Yeah but does it make you look like medieval Batman?
You can upgrade the Nightingale armour to be as good as or better than dragon scale...

It does look awesome. But, upgrading it doesn't get a bonus from any smithing perks, so it can't get you anywhere near the armor cap (unless you use exploits).

Shrike325 wrote:Nightengale isn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Scale... since you can upgrade Dragon Scale

You can upgrade it. It requires a void salt.

Shrike325 wrote:Nightengale isn't anywhere near as good as Dragon Scale... since you can upgrade Dragon Scale

I'd swear it was last time i checked...
I'd check again but someone thought it'd be a good idea to try and pass a monumentally stupid bill...

Dragon scale has base stats higher than nightingale and can be improved twice as as much, nightingale looks infinitely cooler though.

Nightingale is the best looking armor I've seen out of Bethesda. Is there a mod that gives you a flat, unenchanted version?

Nightingale armour: because the dark brotherhood is for sissies.

corpsesarefun wrote:Nightingale armour: because your crafting skills suck.

Fixed it.

Funnily enough I've never touched magic - except candlelight and raise zombie. (handy for hiding victims...)
Ebony armour of eminent health, shrouded hood (better sneak) DB gauntlets (+15x damage for backstab) and boots (muffle) and ebony dagger, greatsword and bow (all exquisite) - looks sweet!

Reached sneak lv 100 yesterday,which may tell you something about me - And I do backstab-1-hit-KOs on giants! No end of laughs

Anyway, to the point, because despite the advice to cut back on the mass murder... put it this way, Riften and Whiterun (and so many small villages and forts...) are somewhat less populated now I adore murder and looting, thats my problem...

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Reached sneak lv 100 yesterday,which may tell you something about me - And I do backstab-1-hit-KOs on giants! No end of laughs

Try to 1-hit backstab kill a dragon. It's really funny when you do, the dragon takes off as normal, but then immediately crashes to the ground and dies.

Soladrin wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Nightingale armour: because stabbing people in the back while dressed as medieval Batman is ferreting awesome.

Fixed it.

Fixed your fixed it...

Grakmar wrote:

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Reached sneak lv 100 yesterday,which may tell you something about me - And I do backstab-1-hit-KOs on giants! No end of laughs

Try to 1-hit backstab kill a dragon. It's really funny when you do, the dragon takes off as normal, but then immediately crashes to the ground and dies.

It's almost as if they don't realise they're dead until the shock of such a rude awakening wears off.

I still think the first time I insta-killed a dragon with Whatshisfaces Razor was one of the more surprising things I'd done in the game.

I knew it had a chance to insta-kill, I just assumed some things would be immune.... guess not.

So Skyrim arrived yesterday, here is a rundown of how my first hour went:

I spend the first couple of minutes of Skyrim just listening to the music on the opening title screen. It’s very cool. I’m gonna buy the soundtrack. I hit new game, and I wake up on a cart with some low-poly count guy talking at me. A bad voice actor complains that he was just trying to steal a horse, and they talk about a guy with a blind-fold around his mouth being important. He looks like the guy to my left so really the only difference is the blindfold around his mouth which apparently stops him from speaking.

We arrive at this place where there are a bunch of soldiers who have swords and shields that clip through their bodies. Realism!!! The bad voice actor starts praying to lots of gods in a clumsy attempt at intimating to the player that we are in a pantheistic land of fantasy. Apparently the general of this place is dealing with the elves. Sneaky elves. I’m gonna play as one, see if that gets me out of jail. We get told to get off the cart for executions. Go due process! The bad voice actor screams that they’ll never take him alive and runs off. An archer runs through a shooting-an-arrow animation and the bad voice actor instantly ragdollises, slumping to the floor with his legs splayed and without so much as a scream. Cause that’s what happens when you get shot by a longbow – gravity instantly becomes way more intense on the exact spot you’re standing, all the bones in your body vanish, and you just collapse. Good buy bad voice actor. It was nice knowing you... whoever you were. We’ll always have the cart we were on.

My ‘interactive’ cut-scene continues as I look frantically for my legs or any sense that I am a real person and not a hovering camera. No such luck. They call out a bunch of names. The guy to my left on the cart and the guy who looks like him but has a blindfold around his mouth are called out. Then I come forward and they ask me who I am. I make a High Elf chick who looks like a man. You’re not allowed to be good looking in Skyrim. The guard says that I’m not on the list, but the bitch of a captain tells him to kill me any way. feth you, you whore! I hope a dragon attacks you one day.

So they’re about to kill me when Puff the Magic Dragon drops in and starts talking really loudly. For some reason balls of fire start falling from the sky. Is that normal in Skyrim? I run away, hiding in a room with all the people who look alike. I run up some stairs, ignoring the textures popping in ever so slowly, and jump across a roof in a way that only a floating camera could. I end up back with the guard who didn’t want to kill me. Sweet. I follow him. The guy who used to have the blindfold around his mouth (or it could’ve been the other guy – they both had the same clothes and hair) argue and both ask them to come with them. I guess they like elf chicks who look like men.

I go with the guard, as he didn’t want to kill me, and we run around underground for a while. I pick up a bunch of weapons and cups and bowls and plates and other stuff and even find a weapon. I can’t work out how to equip them because I’m never told. Eventually I figure out what the O button does. Jump as triangle sucks. I change the keys so right attack is square and jump is X. Now talk/pick up/interact is R1. It’s confusing. I flail hopelessly at two rebels and miss them while the guard kills them.

We find a torturer and a room with stuff in it. I have to throw away all my bowls and plates and cheese and apples because I’m carrying too much stuff. I break 6 lock picks trying to get into cell that has nothing in it. I won’t be doing that mini-game again if I can help it...

Suddenly we come across some HUGE SPIDERS! AAHHHHHHH! I hate huge spiders. By this stage I’ve got the hand of ‘pressing square until things die’, so I press square a lot and things die. There are some eggs to take, but why would I want a spider egg? Each of the dead spiders was very kindly carrying a bottle of their poison. Maybe they were poison merchants but I misinterpreted them spitting at me as attacks rather than a sales pitch? Who knows. I’m new to Skyrim. Maybe spiders run the merchant guild? I pocketed the poison and keep wondering whose job it is to keep lighting all the torches and fire pits down in these caves.

We come across a big bear, and the guard says I should sneak past it. It sees me anyway. He kills it. I work out that firing arrows at the ground is not an effective way to fight a bear. I pick up my arrows. We find some more rebel guys, but the guard kills them because I’m too busy trying to work out the sensitivity on my aiming control stick.

Eventually we make it outside and he says we should split up for some reason that isn’t explained very well. I say ok and head left while he goes right. I run into some black dude called a ‘Red Guard’ and get into an argument with him. He draws first so I kill him. Self defence! I decide that heading to the left will just see me killing more black guys, so I head towards my objective marker. I see a big ruined cathedrally thing across the river, so I swim across the river and go up there. Three bandits attack me, so I kill them and steel their arrows and clothes. I’ve got like 25 sets of clothes with me now, each worth 30 something gold. Gonna make a mint!

Eventually I make it into town that night. I walk into a house – I believe it was the House of Long Loading Times. Some elf dude talks to me about a chick he’s totally in love with but has clearly been ‘friend zoned’ by, and how he wants to get her to hate the guy she likes. I think that’s what he said. I wasn’t really listening. I was trying not to press R1 on every item in his house and steal things. So this guy I don’t know gives me a letter where he’s pretending to be someone else I don’t know to give to a girl I don’t know.

Whatever. I go outside and punch a cow.

After waiting ‘til morning I decide to walk around town. There’s a guy who says ‘Damned dogs!’ and he has two HUGE dogs with him. I try to talk to him but my only option is ‘buy him a drink’. Fock that. I ain’t buying nuthin’ for nobody! It’s my mother fething money – do you know what I am saying (/South Park reference). So I keep walking, and I see this kid. I go to talk to him and he screams and runs away. I’m not sure why. The child’s mother comes at me with a knife, so I killed her. Was she meant to get the letter? I have no idea. She’s dead now. I loot her corpse as her child runs away.

Then another guard attacks me, so I kill him. Then I meet Sven, the guy the other elf is pretending to be in the letter. We talk about where I can trade stuff, which is awesome as I have heaps of swords and hammers and clothes and pots that I need to sell. I don’t tell him about the other elf dude trying to get in on his lady action and leave him. The angry guy asks me for another drink. I ignore him. Then a person with a bow tries to shoot me, so I kill him as well. Instantly all my quests fail.

I turn off the console.

And that was my first hour in Skyrim.

That seems about right...

I think your problem was trying to play it on the PS3, you got the short end of the stick performance-wise

H.B.M.C. wrote:So Skyrim arrived yesterday, here is a rundown of how my first hour went:

I spend the first couple of minutes of Skyrim just listening to the music on the opening title screen. It’s very cool. I’m gonna buy the soundtrack. I hit new game, and I wake up on a cart with some low-poly count guy talking at me. A bad voice actor complains that he was just trying to steal a horse, and they talk about a guy with a blind-fold around his mouth being important. He looks like the guy to my left so really the only difference is the blindfold around his mouth which apparently stops him from speaking.

We arrive at this place where there are a bunch of soldiers who have swords and shields that clip through their bodies. Realism!!! The bad voice actor starts praying to lots of gods in a clumsy attempt at intimating to the player that we are in a pantheistic land of fantasy. Apparently the general of this place is dealing with the elves. Sneaky elves. I’m gonna play as one, see if that gets me out of jail. We get told to get off the cart for executions. Go due process! The bad voice actor screams that they’ll never take him alive and runs off. An archer runs through a shooting-an-arrow animation and the bad voice actor instantly ragdollises, slumping to the floor with his legs splayed and without so much as a scream. Cause that’s what happens when you get shot by a longbow – gravity instantly becomes way more intense on the exact spot you’re standing, all the bones in your body vanish, and you just collapse. Good buy bad voice actor. It was nice knowing you... whoever you were. We’ll always have the cart we were on.

My ‘interactive’ cut-scene continues as I look frantically for my legs or any sense that I am a real person and not a hovering camera. No such luck. They call out a bunch of names. The guy to my left on the cart and the guy who looks like him but has a blindfold around his mouth are called out. Then I come forward and they ask me who I am. I make a High Elf chick who looks like a man. You’re not allowed to be good looking in Skyrim. The guard says that I’m not on the list, but the bitch of a captain tells him to kill me any way. feth you, you whore! I hope a dragon attacks you one day.

So they’re about to kill me when Puff the Magic Dragon drops in and starts talking really loudly. For some reason balls of fire start falling from the sky. Is that normal in Skyrim? I run away, hiding in a room with all the people who look alike. I run up some stairs, ignoring the textures popping in ever so slowly, and jump across a roof in a way that only a floating camera could. I end up back with the guard who didn’t want to kill me. Sweet. I follow him. The guy who used to have the blindfold around his mouth (or it could’ve been the other guy – they both had the same clothes and hair) argue and both ask them to come with them. I guess they like elf chicks who look like men.

I go with the guard, as he didn’t want to kill me, and we run around underground for a while. I pick up a bunch of weapons and cups and bowls and plates and other stuff and even find a weapon. I can’t work out how to equip them because I’m never told. Eventually I figure out what the O button does. Jump as triangle sucks. I change the keys so right attack is square and jump is X. Now talk/pick up/interact is R1. It’s confusing. I flail hopelessly at two rebels and miss them while the guard kills them.

We find a torturer and a room with stuff in it. I have to throw away all my bowls and plates and cheese and apples because I’m carrying too much stuff. I break 6 lock picks trying to get into cell that has nothing in it. I won’t be doing that mini-game again if I can help it...

Suddenly we come across some HUGE SPIDERS! AAHHHHHHH! I hate huge spiders. By this stage I’ve got the hand of ‘pressing square until things die’, so I press square a lot and things die. There are some eggs to take, but why would I want a spider egg? Each of the dead spiders was very kindly carrying a bottle of their poison. Maybe they were poison merchants but I misinterpreted them spitting at me as attacks rather than a sales pitch? Who knows. I’m new to Skyrim. Maybe spiders run the merchant guild? I pocketed the poison and keep wondering whose job it is to keep lighting all the torches and fire pits down in these caves.

We come across a big bear, and the guard says I should sneak past it. It sees me anyway. He kills it. I work out that firing arrows at the ground is not an effective way to fight a bear. I pick up my arrows. We find some more rebel guys, but the guard kills them because I’m too busy trying to work out the sensitivity on my aiming control stick.

Eventually we make it outside and he says we should split up for some reason that isn’t explained very well. I say ok and head left while he goes right. I run into some black dude called a ‘Red Guard’ and get into an argument with him. He draws first so I kill him. Self defence! I decide that heading to the left will just see me killing more black guys, so I head towards my objective marker. I see a big ruined cathedrally thing across the river, so I swim across the river and go up there. Three bandits attack me, so I kill them and steel their arrows and clothes. I’ve got like 25 sets of clothes with me now, each worth 30 something gold. Gonna make a mint!

Eventually I make it into town that night. I walk into a house – I believe it was the House of Long Loading Times. Some elf dude talks to me about a chick he’s totally in love with but has clearly been ‘friend zoned’ by, and how he wants to get her to hate the guy she likes. I think that’s what he said. I wasn’t really listening. I was trying not to press R1 on every item in his house and steal things. So this guy I don’t know gives me a letter where he’s pretending to be someone else I don’t know to give to a girl I don’t know.

Whatever. I go outside and punch a cow.

After waiting ‘til morning I decide to walk around town. There’s a guy who says ‘Damned dogs!’ and he has two HUGE dogs with him. I try to talk to him but my only option is ‘buy him a drink’. Fock that. I ain’t buying nuthin’ for nobody! It’s my mother fething money – do you know what I am saying (/South Park reference). So I keep walking, and I see this kid. I go to talk to him and he screams and runs away. I’m not sure why. The child’s mother comes at me with a knife, so I killed her. Was she meant to get the letter? I have no idea. She’s dead now. I loot her corpse as her child runs away.

Then another guard attacks me, so I kill him. Then I meet Sven, the guy the other elf is pretending to be in the letter. We talk about where I can trade stuff, which is awesome as I have heaps of swords and hammers and clothes and pots that I need to sell. I don’t tell him about the other elf dude trying to get in on his lady action and leave him. The angry guy asks me for another drink. I ignore him. Then a person with a bow tries to shoot me, so I kill him as well. Instantly all my quests fail.

I turn off the console.

And that was my first hour in Skyrim.

As long as you had fun and collected a lot of bowls.

Also, the way the controls are set up, having any of the attack buttons on the facepad is a bit of a bad idea. R1 and R2 would be best- personally, I swapped them so that my left button does the left hand, the right the right. Makes more sense that way.


And if all your current quests have failed, well... better find some new ones!

I use a ps3 controller sometimes for skyrim, I have right and left attacks mapped to r1 and l1 respectively.

H.B.M.C. wrote:review of Skyrim

First off, that was pretty funny. I lol'd a few times.

Second off, you're right, the voice acting isn't the best, and there are clipping issues at times.

Third off, you switched the controls around to some crazy configuration and then complained about it? I think that one is your fault. (And, there is a 3rd person view mode)

Fourth off, you ran into the first town you came across and proceed to attack the livestock, then get confused when people attack you and killing them ruins the quests they were involved with? That one is definitely your fault.

You're talking about punching cows like that's frowned upon.

I punched the cow. Nothing happened. I jumped over the fence next to him. The cow didn’t even move. It just kinda looked at me. I then waited until the sun rose and walked around town. Everyone was going about their business. It was only when I got close that everyone went nuts and that mother came at me with a knife.

I personally didnt like the Nightingale armor. I thought it looked a bit absurd TBH. And yes, it was mainly because it looked like I was the fething 11th century batman.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So Skyrim arrived yesterday, here is a rundown of how my first hour went:

I spend the first couple of minutes of Skyrim just listening to the music on the opening title screen. It’s very cool. I’m gonna buy the soundtrack. I hit new game, and I wake up on a cart with some low-poly count guy talking at me. A bad voice actor complains that he was just trying to steal a horse, and they talk about a guy with a blind-fold around his mouth being important. He looks like the guy to my left so really the only difference is the blindfold around his mouth which apparently stops him from speaking.

We arrive at this place where there are a bunch of soldiers who have swords and shields that clip through their bodies. Realism!!! The bad voice actor starts praying to lots of gods in a clumsy attempt at intimating to the player that we are in a pantheistic land of fantasy. Apparently the general of this place is dealing with the elves. Sneaky elves. I’m gonna play as one, see if that gets me out of jail. We get told to get off the cart for executions. Go due process! The bad voice actor screams that they’ll never take him alive and runs off. An archer runs through a shooting-an-arrow animation and the bad voice actor instantly ragdollises, slumping to the floor with his legs splayed and without so much as a scream. Cause that’s what happens when you get shot by a longbow – gravity instantly becomes way more intense on the exact spot you’re standing, all the bones in your body vanish, and you just collapse. Good buy bad voice actor. It was nice knowing you... whoever you were. We’ll always have the cart we were on.

My ‘interactive’ cut-scene continues as I look frantically for my legs or any sense that I am a real person and not a hovering camera. No such luck. They call out a bunch of names. The guy to my left on the cart and the guy who looks like him but has a blindfold around his mouth are called out. Then I come forward and they ask me who I am. I make a High Elf chick who looks like a man. You’re not allowed to be good looking in Skyrim. The guard says that I’m not on the list, but the bitch of a captain tells him to kill me any way. feth you, you whore! I hope a dragon attacks you one day.

So they’re about to kill me when Puff the Magic Dragon drops in and starts talking really loudly. For some reason balls of fire start falling from the sky. Is that normal in Skyrim? I run away, hiding in a room with all the people who look alike. I run up some stairs, ignoring the textures popping in ever so slowly, and jump across a roof in a way that only a floating camera could. I end up back with the guard who didn’t want to kill me. Sweet. I follow him. The guy who used to have the blindfold around his mouth (or it could’ve been the other guy – they both had the same clothes and hair) argue and both ask them to come with them. I guess they like elf chicks who look like men.

I go with the guard, as he didn’t want to kill me, and we run around underground for a while. I pick up a bunch of weapons and cups and bowls and plates and other stuff and even find a weapon. I can’t work out how to equip them because I’m never told. Eventually I figure out what the O button does. Jump as triangle sucks. I change the keys so right attack is square and jump is X. Now talk/pick up/interact is R1. It’s confusing. I flail hopelessly at two rebels and miss them while the guard kills them.

We find a torturer and a room with stuff in it. I have to throw away all my bowls and plates and cheese and apples because I’m carrying too much stuff. I break 6 lock picks trying to get into cell that has nothing in it. I won’t be doing that mini-game again if I can help it...

Suddenly we come across some HUGE SPIDERS! AAHHHHHHH! I hate huge spiders. By this stage I’ve got the hand of ‘pressing square until things die’, so I press square a lot and things die. There are some eggs to take, but why would I want a spider egg? Each of the dead spiders was very kindly carrying a bottle of their poison. Maybe they were poison merchants but I misinterpreted them spitting at me as attacks rather than a sales pitch? Who knows. I’m new to Skyrim. Maybe spiders run the merchant guild? I pocketed the poison and keep wondering whose job it is to keep lighting all the torches and fire pits down in these caves.

We come across a big bear, and the guard says I should sneak past it. It sees me anyway. He kills it. I work out that firing arrows at the ground is not an effective way to fight a bear. I pick up my arrows. We find some more rebel guys, but the guard kills them because I’m too busy trying to work out the sensitivity on my aiming control stick.

Eventually we make it outside and he says we should split up for some reason that isn’t explained very well. I say ok and head left while he goes right. I run into some black dude called a ‘Red Guard’ and get into an argument with him. He draws first so I kill him. Self defence! I decide that heading to the left will just see me killing more black guys, so I head towards my objective marker. I see a big ruined cathedrally thing across the river, so I swim across the river and go up there. Three bandits attack me, so I kill them and steel their arrows and clothes. I’ve got like 25 sets of clothes with me now, each worth 30 something gold. Gonna make a mint!

Eventually I make it into town that night. I walk into a house – I believe it was the House of Long Loading Times. Some elf dude talks to me about a chick he’s totally in love with but has clearly been ‘friend zoned’ by, and how he wants to get her to hate the guy she likes. I think that’s what he said. I wasn’t really listening. I was trying not to press R1 on every item in his house and steal things. So this guy I don’t know gives me a letter where he’s pretending to be someone else I don’t know to give to a girl I don’t know.

Whatever. I go outside and punch a cow.

After waiting ‘til morning I decide to walk around town. There’s a guy who says ‘Damned dogs!’ and he has two HUGE dogs with him. I try to talk to him but my only option is ‘buy him a drink’. Fock that. I ain’t buying nuthin’ for nobody! It’s my mother fething money – do you know what I am saying (/South Park reference). So I keep walking, and I see this kid. I go to talk to him and he screams and runs away. I’m not sure why. The child’s mother comes at me with a knife, so I killed her. Was she meant to get the letter? I have no idea. She’s dead now. I loot her corpse as her child runs away.

Then another guard attacks me, so I kill him. Then I meet Sven, the guy the other elf is pretending to be in the letter. We talk about where I can trade stuff, which is awesome as I have heaps of swords and hammers and clothes and pots that I need to sell. I don’t tell him about the other elf dude trying to get in on his lady action and leave him. The angry guy asks me for another drink. I ignore him. Then a person with a bow tries to shoot me, so I kill him as well. Instantly all my quests fail.

I turn off the console.

And that was my first hour in Skyrim.

I lol'd quite a few times at that..... When I played it I didn't think of any of that. I just thought, "Whatever, as long as something dies with this epic combat."

KingCracker wrote:I personally didnt like the Nightingale armor. I thought it looked a bit absurd TBH. And yes, it was mainly because it looked like I was the fething 11th century batman.

Exactly why I wear my flawless nightingale armour rather than my legendary dragonscale armour with better enchantments.

corpsesarefun wrote:

KingCracker wrote:I personally didnt like the Nightingale armor. I thought it looked a bit absurd TBH. And yes, it was mainly because it looked like I was the fething 11th century batman.

Exactly why I wear my flawless nightingale armour rather than my legendary dragonscale armour with better enchantments.

Same... also really cannot be arsed to grind enchanting when i can just stab everyone... hell i ould do it but naked but doing it while dressed as an 11th century batman is so much cooler...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I punched the cow. Nothing happened. I jumped over the fence next to him. The cow didn’t even move. It just kinda looked at me. I then waited until the sun rose and walked around town. Everyone was going about their business. It was only when I got close that everyone went nuts and that mother came at me with a knife.

I wouldn't get out of bed for a cow punching either. You can hardly blame them for wanting to get some breakfast and coffee before getting outraged.

corpsesarefun wrote:

KingCracker wrote:I personally didnt like the Nightingale armor. I thought it looked a bit absurd TBH. And yes, it was mainly because it looked like I was the fething 11th century batman.

Exactly why I wear my flawless nightingale armour rather than my legendary dragonscale armour with better enchantments.

purplefood wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

KingCracker wrote:I personally didnt like the Nightingale armor. I thought it looked a bit absurd TBH. And yes, it was mainly because it looked like I was the fething 11th century batman.

Exactly why I wear my flawless nightingale armour rather than my legendary dragonscale armour with better enchantments.

Same... also really cannot be arsed to grind enchanting when i can just stab everyone... hell i ould do it but naked but doing it while dressed as an 11th century batman is so much cooler...

You two have terrible taste in whats cool

Terrible taste in coolness, the Nightingale armor is the coolest.

its ok, but I still prefer my Steel Plate(till I can forge Dragonplate)

The Steel Plate helmet is just awsome

I'm a little disappointed that other armour doesn't look as badass as steel plate. Bandit Chiefs in that stuff look as if they are actually warriors, and it seems like a waste to kill them.

What i'd like is some sort of Bandit Leader DLC, where you can hire people like mercenaries to form Bandit clans, have a hideout etc.

From your hideout, you can appoint guards to any outside places and inside ones, decide who will take part in raids, and appoint veterans as people like treasurers (acting essentially as the clan's inventory, they choose their equipment from what you give your treasurer in the same style as followers, and wages come out of the gold that you give him, with gold gained from raiding settlements added too.

Occasionally one of your men might turn up whlst you're on your travels and report that a raid you sent out was killed or followed back, and the hideout is under attack by soldiers of <insert whichever side is in control of the settlement> or by a rival bandit clan, or a dragon is laying waste to your hideout, or even a band of adventurers decided to try and claim a bounty put on your clan.

On your travels, you can also be ambushed by said adventurers or rival clans looking to claim a bounty on your head.

Perhaps you could also hire your clan out to a thane or even Ulfrik/Tullius.

What determines if a companion is KO'd or killed? Just pure damage or a certain amount of KOs?

The only way a follower can die is if you kill them yourself. Enemies will attack your hirelings until near death, when the hireling will crouch down and enemies will ignore them.

They can also die if they are attacked to the point of yielding in an area where they will continue to take damage, e.g. someone cast firewall, they get knocked back in a fight into a trap/blade gauntlet, or are still getting hit with area effect spells because they are near you or another friendly NPC.

Sadly the friendly fire possability is all too common. They always step between you and the enemy right in the middle of your power attack

I guess I may have been flailing my sword a bit too wildly but I coulda sworn those archers in the distance keep shooting her...

On the discussion about the Nightingale armour, it's mostly cause I can't upgrade it at all. :/ Would love an unenchanted version of it.

I've had to sack off my unarmed combat experiment unfortunately.
With going double destro Im pretty much wearing mage only gear and hth combat is most definetly not the place to be for that. Being one shotted aint fun.

You can upgrade nightingale armour with void salts!

I have 100 smithing and enchanting with all 5/5 on the first enchanting perk, insightful enchanter, corpus enchanter and extra effect. My alchemy is only 70 something but I'm working on that.

If you want to raise alchemy head to the reach and pick all the juniper berries you can carry then make regenerate health potions using either juniper berries and garlic (my most commonly used one) or juniper berries and vampire dust. Also stock up on deathbells and salt then make slow poisons with them or wheat and giant toes to make fortify health potions.

just completed the Fallen but I have no desire to finish the play-through. I'm planning on starting a thief/rouge character and then focusing on maxing out my smiting and enchanting. I have a few more games in my back log to beat and I really want to play through Mass Effect 1 and 2 one more time before 3 comes out so I may not come back to Skyrim until after March. Its a really great game, hell I spent over 100 hours playing it already I just want to come back to it another time.

My advice would be similar.
Take a break from it, a good month or two (or three) will do wonders in terms of coming back to it fresh and invigorated.

Yeah the world is awesome and I only scratched the surface of it after 100 plus hours. There are so many games I want to catch up on this year and so little time. Thank god the only announced games so far that I want to play are only Mass Effect 3, Max Payne 3 and Bioshock Infinite. Good thing Max Payne got pushed back to May.

corpsesarefun wrote:You can upgrade nightingale armour with void salts!

I have 100 smithing and enchanting with all 5/5 on the first enchanting perk, insightful enchanter, corpus enchanter and extra effect. My alchemy is only 70 something but I'm working on that.

If you want to raise alchemy head to the reach and pick all the juniper berries you can carry then make regenerate health potions using either juniper berries and garlic (my most commonly used one) or juniper berries and vampire dust. Also stock up on deathbells and salt then make slow poisons with them or wheat and giant toes to make fortify health potions.

Unfortunately I can't upgrade my Nightingale, seeing as I have no perks in smithing. *sigh*

Dunwich wrote:The only way a follower can die is if you kill them yourself. Enemies will attack your hirelings until near death, when the hireling will crouch down and enemies will ignore them.

They can also die if they are attacked to the point of yielding in an area where they will continue to take damage, e.g. someone cast firewall, they get knocked back in a fight into a trap/blade gauntlet, or are still getting hit with area effect spells because they are near you or another friendly NPC.

I wouldnt say its that cut and dry. On the mage I made, I had....whats her face, the house carl you get with me. And in a cave with some big ass spiders, they killed her strait out, but on the flip side, I watched while laughing as she tried to take on a dragon (obviously loaded before she died) and no matter how many times it blasted her with fire and took chunks out of her, she just kindda laid there in pain

Did the nightmares in Dawnstar stuff earlier, liked that quest a lot.

However as I'm mainly trying to raise alchemy and enchanting atm, its a little drawn out and I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall, especially with alchemy. So I can see me shelving it for a bit.


Also just restarted Mass Effect 2, trying to finally do the game on Insanity. I'm not looking forward to the Shadowbroker DLC or the suicide mission. Hehe

H.B.M.C. wrote:H.B.M.C's Story.

General rule of thumb I've heard is that the PS3 version of Skyrim sucks, you'd be better off for PC or Xbox.
Second, if your going to attack cows make sure noone can see you lol

Third if your going to massacre a town don't expect your quests will be completed.

Personally after all that I'd say continue and massacre every village you come across, should be fun!

KingCracker wrote:

Dunwich wrote:The only way a follower can die is if you kill them yourself. Enemies will attack your hirelings until near death, when the hireling will crouch down and enemies will ignore them.

They can also die if they are attacked to the point of yielding in an area where they will continue to take damage, e.g. someone cast firewall, they get knocked back in a fight into a trap/blade gauntlet, or are still getting hit with area effect spells because they are near you or another friendly NPC.

I wouldnt say its that cut and dry. On the mage I made, I had....whats her face, the house carl you get with me. And in a cave with some big ass spiders, they killed her strait out, but on the flip side, I watched while laughing as she tried to take on a dragon (obviously loaded before she died) and no matter how many times it blasted her with fire and took chunks out of her, she just kindda laid there in pain

You let Lydia die? I won't let Lydia die, she has too much of my stuff even though she isn't a follower. Also a perfect example of the NPC clothing programming, she has dwarven armor in her inventory and will wear it when she's my follower but will not wear it if she is not.

Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Ratius wrote:Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Well that's just Lydia, she's good at getting herself killed but most people tend to love her for the fact that she's the first housecarl you get.

Once you can upgrade magic items you can upgrade it.

You can't change the enchantments on it, but you can improve it.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Did the nightmares in Dawnstar stuff earlier, liked that quest a lot.

Spoiler:

I have to ask who listened to the Goddess/Skull when the priest was casting the spell. I let him destroy it, but I'm betting some of those reading knifed him.

I let him destroy it, but only because I didn't really want the staff, and wanted to have him as a follower for later. If you're going for the Daedric Items achievement then you've got to kill the poor sod...

halonachos wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Dunwich wrote:The only way a follower can die is if you kill them yourself. Enemies will attack your hirelings until near death, when the hireling will crouch down and enemies will ignore them.

They can also die if they are attacked to the point of yielding in an area where they will continue to take damage, e.g. someone cast firewall, they get knocked back in a fight into a trap/blade gauntlet, or are still getting hit with area effect spells because they are near you or another friendly NPC.

I wouldnt say its that cut and dry. On the mage I made, I had....whats her face, the house carl you get with me. And in a cave with some big ass spiders, they killed her strait out, but on the flip side, I watched while laughing as she tried to take on a dragon (obviously loaded before she died) and no matter how many times it blasted her with fire and took chunks out of her, she just kindda laid there in pain

You let Lydia die? I won't let Lydia die, she has too much of my stuff even though she isn't a follower. Also a perfect example of the NPC clothing programming, she has dwarven armor in her inventory and will wear it when she's my follower but will not wear it if she is not.

My brother when he got lydia was ,urder her for her stuf...

The daedric quests in general are quite good.

They usually are, the Sheogorath quest in Oblivion was particularly enjoyable.

Where do you find Sheogorath's shrine in Skyrim?

Very few daedric quests are started at shrines in skyrim, sheogoraths quest is started in solitude.

Where does it start?

Bards College?

Grey Templar wrote:Where does it start?

Bards College?

some homeless guy running around town.

He gives you a hip bone of pelagius the 3rd.

Pelagius the Mad?Hmmm, I know where Im going as soon as I turn this on today I did Sanguines by pure accident. I was going from bar to bar and Orc stronghold to stronghold showing people how awesome my boxing skills are, and felt cocky with the dude that wanted to challenge me to a drinking contest. I must say, that one made me chuckle a few times

KingCracker wrote:Pelagius the Mad?Hmmm, I know where Im going as soon as I turn this on today I did Sanguines by pure accident. I was going from bar to bar and Orc stronghold to stronghold showing people how awesome my boxing skills are, and felt cocky with the dude that wanted to challenge me to a drinking contest. I must say, that one made me chuckle a few times

Spoiler:

Specially when I found out who I was going to marry

I sadly missed out on most of this quest. Just after starting it (and only cleaning up the temple), I ran into Ysolda in Whiterun and persuaded her to tell me where to go, rather than do her errand.

So, I missed the entire plot of the quest and only found out about it's awesomeness from the wiki

Grakmar wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Pelagius the Mad?Hmmm, I know where Im going as soon as I turn this on today I did Sanguines by pure accident. I was going from bar to bar and Orc stronghold to stronghold showing people how awesome my boxing skills are, and felt cocky with the dude that wanted to challenge me to a drinking contest. I must say, that one made me chuckle a few times

Spoiler:

Specially when I found out who I was going to marry

I sadly missed out on most of this quest. Just after starting it (and only cleaning up the temple), I ran into Ysolda in Whiterun and persuaded her to tell me where to go, rather than do her errand.

So, I missed the entire plot of the quest and only found out about it's awesomeness from the wiki

I didn't know how to clear the temple up so after bribing the priestess i murdered everyone and stole their stuff...
That was in the Hangover right?

halonachos wrote:

Ratius wrote:Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Well that's just Lydia, she's good at getting herself killed but most people tend to love her for the fact that she's the first housecarl you get.

Wrong
My level 81 has like 4 other housecarls, but I still dont have her

Finished the Sheogorath quest. Short but sweet.





And where is this drunken bet quest where you end up messing up a temple?

An npc can randomly appear when you're in any tavern and challenge you to a drinking contest, he is a breton named sam something.

Grey Templar wrote:Finished the Sheogorath quest. Short but sweet.

Spoiler:

Took me FOREVER to figure out I was supposed to target the guards on the other side of the battle pit

That was a brilliant thing there

i have this weird bug that anyone who is talking to me while im opening a door follows me through it

not a big problem but very disturbing when Im entering, say, my house in winterhold

"WTF is this beggar doing in MY house?!"

anyone else experience this?

Yeah I got that a few times when leaving the thieves guild, it's a bit annoying.

Another glitch I've got is when assassinating someone as they go through a door, the animation plays and a corpse appears but sometimes it isn't searchable and when I go through the door they appear to have survived.

Apparently when the level of your sidekick is set to yours when you first meet them and never goes up afterwards. That sucks because now Lydia is becoming obsolete for me.

Aye, I think I stopped taking Lydia with me fourteen levels ago. She just guards Breezehome now.

Bakerofish wrote:i have this weird bug that anyone who is talking to me while im opening a door follows me through it

not a big problem but very disturbing when Im entering, say, my house in winterhold

"WTF is this beggar doing in MY house?!"

anyone else experience this?

Yeah, that happens to me too. Mostly when I enter Bits and Pieces in Solitude. I'm often followed in by a guard and 2-3 children.

I hate kids in videogames

Either you DONT make them annoying and snotty as F**K, or you let me kill them!

I know its wrong, but god I hate some of the kids. Mostly all the snotty whiterun kids
I love playing tag with the Solitude kids

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, I think I stopped taking Lydia with me fourteen levels ago. She just guards Breezehome now.

I sacrificed Lydia...
Never bothered getting another Companion. They just get me seen...

Yeah I rarely use a follower.

purplefood wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, I think I stopped taking Lydia with me fourteen levels ago. She just guards Breezehome now.

I sacrificed Lydia...
Never bothered getting another Companion. They just get me seen...

I don't think you get detected if your follower gets detected.

You don't but the mobs go into combat mode and are harder to sneak up on than when they are in patrol mode.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Aye, I think I stopped taking Lydia with me fourteen levels ago. She just guards Breezehome now.

I sacrificed Lydia...
Never bothered getting another Companion. They just get me seen...

I don't think you get detected if your follower gets detected.

Yeah but even if you don't they pull everyone out of the regular walky bits which annoys me...

Wearing nothing but cloth.....hurts.
Getting one shotted is not much fun.
Granted Im only level 8 but any survival tips/tactics for a poor squishy?

Ratius wrote:Wearing nothing but cloth.....hurts.
Getting one shotted is not much fun.
Granted Im only level 8 but any survival tips/tactics for a poor squishy?

Wear armor? There's no reason not to.

Problem is all of the cloth gear has very specific and decent +mage stats on them (mana regen, + destro/retro %s, and other buffs).
It is much harder to collect a set of medium/heavy with the same stat buffs.
In addition Im trying to play in character somewhat. A mage going around in full plate armor isnt a mage anymore - hes a Battlemage and Im not going down that route

Get someone to hang out with you and take the hits? I got Faendral pretty early (like level 2 or 3) and I imagine there are other followers you can get.
(Apparently you can get either Faendral or Sven depending on how you do that first quest.)

Ratius wrote:Wearing nothing but cloth.....hurts.
Getting one shotted is not much fun.
Granted Im only level 8 but any survival tips/tactics for a poor squishy?

1) Check what difficulty you're playing on. There's a weird bug that some people have reported where the game default is to the hardest difficulty. Adept should be the default.
2) Turn down the difficulty. I had to do that for a brief period because I foolishly leveled Smithing and Pickpocket super fast, so I was a high level with no equipment and no combat skills.
3) Wear armor. Yes, I know that the robes tend to have better enchantments, but sacrificing enchantments for protection is sometimes necessary. Level up your enchanting in order to put good enchantments on armor rather than just robes.
4) Cast Stoneflesh/Ironflesh and use wards when a big attack is incoming. Also, use a summoned/reanimated creature or follower to take some of the heat off of you.

I dont know why I care because im a console player but im extremely keen to see a comprehensive lord of the rings mod. All id really want would be some new sets of themed weapons and armour and particularly (as much as i like it, it gets a bit repetitive) to replace the sound track with the appropriate LOTR sound tack (especially the "beacon lighting" music for dragon fights). This kind of all stems from the idea of duel wielding a sword and a staff, standing in front of Alduin and shouting "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!", except we cant get Gandalfs robes and hat. (a fantasy game without pointy wizards hats! I was shocked when I started)

I wonder if they still have Colovian Fur Helms available? Those are about the pointiest hats you can fine in Tamriel.

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Ratius wrote:Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Well that's just Lydia, she's good at getting herself killed but most people tend to love her for the fact that she's the first housecarl you get.

Wrong
My level 81 has like 4 other housecarls, but I still dont have her

Okay, no need to be a dick about it. Besides Lydia is given to you after you do one of the first main quests, so if you're telling me that you're level 81 and have not killed any dragons then I will believe that you didn't get Lydia seeing as though the quest to kill the first dragon, "Dragon Rising" gets you the following; "The Way of the Voice" quest, Thane of Whiterun, ability to buy Breezehome, Lydia as a housecarl, and the Axe of Whiterun. Now remember that dragons don't spawn randomly unless you kill the first one during the quest. So I am not wrong, either you haven't killed any dragons with your level 81, your game glitched and Lydia disappeared, or you don't know what you're talking about.

halonachos wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Ratius wrote:Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Well that's just Lydia, she's good at getting herself killed but most people tend to love her for the fact that she's the first housecarl you get.

Wrong
My level 81 has like 4 other housecarls, but I still dont have her

Okay, no need to be a dick about it. Besides Lydia is given to you after you do one of the first main quests, so if you're telling me that you're level 81 and have not killed any dragons then I will believe that you didn't get Lydia seeing as though the quest to kill the first dragon, "Dragon Rising" gets you the following; "The Way of the Voice" quest, Thane of Whiterun, ability to buy Breezehome, Lydia as a housecarl, and the Axe of Whiterun. Now remember that dragons don't spawn randomly unless you kill the first one during the quest. So I am not wrong, either you haven't killed any dragons with your level 81, your game glitched and Lydia disappeared, or you don't know what you're talking about.

Well, he said that he's been using Shouts (other than just Fus), so he had to complete "Dragon Rising".

I assume his game either glitched (first time that's happened in Skyrim, amiright?), or he was awarded Breezehome and didn't notice.

And, he exploited the Oghma Infinium bug, so that could be messing with his game in various ways.

For the guys trying to build a hand-to-hand fighter, I found a pair of gloves dropped by a vagrant in the rat tunnels underneath Riften. Just a heads up...

Edit** The gloves bump up HTH combat damage, something like 20% base. You could probably improve them some.

Gloves of the pugilist, very useful until you unlock the perk that allows you to deal your armour rating in damage with unarmed attacks.

Lint wrote:For the guys trying to build a hand-to-hand fighter, I found a pair of gloves dropped by a vagrant in the rat tunnels underneath Riften. Just a heads up...

Edit** The gloves bump up HTH combat damage, something like 20% base. You could probably improve them some.

The gloves add an extra 10 damage to unarmed attacks. (Khajeet do 22 base, Argonians do 10 base, everyone else does 4 base).

You can disenchant those gloves and put that enchantment on a different pair of gloves. With 100 Enchanting, all appropriate perks and a Grand Soul, you can get to 15.65 added damage (I don't know how the game handles fractions). If you add in using a Fortify Enchanting Potion (with max Alchemy, perks, fortify Alchemy gear), you can get this to 18.25 added damage.

Add in the Heavy Armor perk to do more damage (damage added is equal to armor rating). Daedric Gauntlets (18 base) can be improved considerably. Assume you can get to around 200 Smithing (due to Fortify Smithing Enchantments and Potions). That adds about 43 Armor to the Gauntlets. Total of about 61 damage added.

So, the max damage you can do (be a Khajeet with super-Legendary Daedric Gauntlets with the max Fortify Unarmed enchantment on them) is about 100.

That's not too bad.

But, say you have a Daedric Greatsword (base damage of 24) with the same level of Smithing adding 21 damage (weapons get half the bonus armor does). Now, you have 100 Two-Handed (+50% damage) add 5 levels of Barbarian perk (+100%) and a single Fortify Two-Handed enchantment (max of +47.45% using above method). You're doing about 200 damage. Add in some extra Fortify Two-Handed and you can get to roughly 390 damage (goes on Neck, Arms, Finger, Feet).


So, Unarmed can be pretty good, but isn't nearly as good as a real weapon. Plus, it will be terrible until you get Fists of Steel at 30 Heavy Armor.

Can't you put the Pugilism enchantments on other bits of armour?

Anvildude wrote:Can't you put the Pugilism enchantments on other bits of armour?

Ah! Good point.

Yes, it can go on either Gloves or Finger.

So, add another 18.25 damage, bringing the total to about 120.

Grakmar wrote:
You can disenchant those gloves and put that enchantment on a different pair of gloves. With 100 Enchanting, all appropriate perks and a Grand Soul, you can get to 15.65 added damage (I don't know how the game handles fractions). If you add in using a Fortify Enchanting Potion (with max Alchemy, perks, fortify Alchemy gear), you can get this to 18.25 added damage.

Add in the Heavy Armor perk to do more damage (damage added is equal to armor rating). Daedric Gauntlets (18 base) can be improved considerably. Assume you can get to around 200 Smithing (due to Fortify Smithing Enchantments and Potions). That adds about 43 Armor to the Gauntlets. Total of about 61 damage added.

So, the max damage you can do (be a Khajeet with super-Legendary Daedric Gauntlets with the max Fortify Unarmed enchantment on them) is about 100.

That's not too bad.

But, say you have a Daedric Greatsword (base damage of 24) with the same level of Smithing adding 21 damage (weapons get half the bonus armor does). Now, you have 100 Two-Handed (+50% damage) add 5 levels of Barbarian perk (+100%) and a single Fortify Two-Handed enchantment (max of +47.45% using above method). You're doing about 200 damage. Add in some extra Fortify Two-Handed and you can get to roughly 390 damage (goes on Neck, Arms, Finger, Feet).


So, Unarmed can be pretty good, but isn't nearly as good as a real weapon. Plus, it will be terrible until you get Fists of Steel at 30 Heavy Armor.

Wow. Should we call this "Mathrim" or "Skyhammer?" Very impressive crunching.

Mathrim.

Lint wrote:Wow. Should we call this "Mathrim" or "Skyhammer?" Very impressive crunching.

You know the hammer in mathhammer is only there because it is referring to Warhammer, right?

Obvious man is obvious, Skyhammer sounded cooler.

Lint wrote:Obvious man is obvious, Skyhammer sounded cooler.

Skyhammer does sound cooler, but I think Mathrim is more accurate.

Also, in my above analysis, I ignored the Fortify Restoration exploit. Using that, you can take easily get damage with anything to the point where you can 1-Shot everything.

corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah I got that a few times when leaving the thieves guild, it's a bit annoying.

Another glitch I've got is when assassinating someone as they go through a door, the animation plays and a corpse appears but sometimes it isn't searchable and when I go through the door they appear to have survived.

I have a somewhat similar glitch with the dead I raised. I can newly raise a zombie, walk through a door, and POOF! its dust instantly, and I can loot the body. BUT on a positive note, I figured out a fix to an irritating thing with zombies. USually when I would raise someone, they would just take off and leave their fething weapon on the ground, and try to punch things to death, which was obviously annoying. Ive since learned, that Ill loot their weapon/shield and while they are being raised, Ill loot them again and drop the weapon/shield back on them. Problem solved


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Grakmar wrote:

Lint wrote:Obvious man is obvious, Skyhammer sounded cooler.

Skyhammer does sound cooler, but I think Mathrim is more accurate.

Also, in my above analysis, I ignored the Fortify Restoration exploit. Using that, you can take easily get damage with anything to the point where you can 1-Shot everything.

Whats up Ancient Dragon?

Heh.....puny human.........wait a second.......is that??!?!?!?!?!?

Oh yea....its my finger *flick*

So... I've recently installed a new, Premium Windows 7 OS on my computer (to deal with that Win7 Security thing). I have Skyrim. It's connected up to Steam.

It's refusing to install save files on my computer.


Does anyone have any idea where:

A- the Bethesda Softworks Program Files are on a 32 bit Windows 7 Premium operating system

and

B- how to fething get my old save files, which I have readily available, into a position to play in Skyrim.

Bethesda Softworks Program Files for me are located on C:\Program Files, but any games you installed through Steam (all i've got in my PF folder is F3) will be in your Steam folder on whichever HDD you have Steam installed on, under Steam>steamapps>common>skyrim.

As for saves, my Skyrim saves are in My Documents>My Games>Skyrim>Saves, so i'd imagine you'd just translate that to Windows 7 and dump your saves there (it might not exist if you haven't already played Skyrim on the newly installed system).

Got ambushed by a load of dwarven spheres in some ruin, there's like 8 of them and they're faster than I am.
Yeah, screw that.

"Lydia, you know I love you."
"Of course, my thane."
"I need you to do something for me..."
"I am sworn to carry you-"
"No, not that, although thanks for offering... I need you to act as a diversion."
"For what?"
"For some giant golden balls."
"Surely you're not implying we should have sex in this Dwemer Ruin."
"No, I... do you really things my balls are big? Ah, nevermind, that's beside the point, truth is..."
*Pushes Lydia into the Dwarven Spheres, closes the door and runs*

I left lydia in a random dungeon somewhere.
I do need another companion actually.

Just finished the College quests. That was rather fun zapping stuff.

Well thanks, Avatar. ON hindsight, that was a rather obvious place for them to be.

I'm too used to looking for Meshes and Textures for modding, I guess.

I still have no idea how the fority resto glitch works, why does drinking a potion of increased restoration increase unrelated stat buffs on armour?

Ive watched a video on youtube on how to do it. Never personally tried it though, I kindda wondered the same thing

Avatar 720 wrote:"Lydia, you know I love you."
"Of course, my thane."
"I need you to do something for me..."
"I am sworn to carry you-"
"No, not that, although thanks for offering... I need you to act as a diversion."
"For what?"
"For some giant golden balls."
"Surely you're not implying we should have sex in this Dwemer Ruin."
"No, I... do you really things my balls are big? Ah, nevermind, that's beside the point, truth is..."
*Pushes Lydia into the Dwarven Spheres, closes the door and runs*

Just because of this somebody out there will create a mod that let's you have sex in Dwemer ruins with big golden balls.

corpsesarefun wrote:I still have no idea how the fority resto glitch works, why does drinking a potion of increased restoration increase unrelated stat buffs on armour?

KingCracker wrote:Ive watched a video on youtube on how to do it. Never personally tried it though, I kindda wondered the same thing

I read on one of the wikis that it was patched, which is why I never tried it and went the simple route. Dunno how it works though.

halonachos wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:"Lydia, you know I love you."
"Of course, my thane."
"I need you to do something for me..."
"I am sworn to carry you-"
"No, not that, although thanks for offering... I need you to act as a diversion."
"For what?"
"For some giant golden balls."
"Surely you're not implying we should have sex in this Dwemer Ruin."
"No, I... do you really things my balls are big? Ah, nevermind, that's beside the point, truth is..."
*Pushes Lydia into the Dwarven Spheres, closes the door and runs*

Just because of this somebody out there will create a mod that let's you have sex in Dwemer ruins with big golden balls.

What have I done... *loads pistol*

It isn't patched, I've tried it.

No idea how the code slip up could have happened though.

halonachos wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Ratius wrote:Reloaded 5 tmes last night because she was getting totally pasted by these pirate guys in a cave.
Something to do with (possibly) missplaced feelings of loyalty towards AI.

Well that's just Lydia, she's good at getting herself killed but most people tend to love her for the fact that she's the first housecarl you get.

Wrong
My level 81 has like 4 other housecarls, but I still dont have her

Okay, no need to be a dick about it. Besides Lydia is given to you after you do one of the first main quests, so if you're telling me that you're level 81 and have not killed any dragons then I will believe that you didn't get Lydia seeing as though the quest to kill the first dragon, "Dragon Rising" gets you the following; "The Way of the Voice" quest, Thane of Whiterun, ability to buy Breezehome, Lydia as a housecarl, and the Axe of Whiterun. Now remember that dragons don't spawn randomly unless you kill the first one during the quest. So I am not wrong, either you haven't killed any dragons with your level 81, your game glitched and Lydia disappeared, or you don't know what you're talking about.

If you dont have Breezehome and do the Battle of Whiterun quest (for the Stormcloaks), then you will no longer be thane, and have to talk to the new jarl and buy breezehome to become thane.


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btw, is the Markarth bounty glitch done?

Am I the only person who plays this game like a total geek?

I travel around on horseback, at a trot rather than full run (because my horse will get tired). Then when I arrive at a small town, after a hard days ride- I try not to fast travel- , I leave my horse near a tree (so it can nibble on leaves and grass). I go into the tavern, and first of all take my helmet off. I'll buy some hot food and maybe some mead, as well as pay for a room for the night. I sit down, listen to a while to a bard, and try and have some idle chat with other patrons in the bar. Sometimes if there is a book on the shelf, I will sit down and have a read of a story.
Sometimes I hope to hear some rumours or talk of a quest, when I will sleep and wake up at sunrise the next day to begin my journey.

Sometimes I stop to look at what I am doing in the game, and think I need to get out more.

You have a great deal of self-restraint.

If I tried that, I'll have said 'feth it' by the time I've had 5 minutes of slow horse, then fast travel to the nearest town and troll a few guards.

Hahahaha absolutely not alone Pacific.
Some of my highlights include.

Leaving my horse away from forts if I know them to be hostile. I now see him as a friend.
If it is raining or in a blizzard, finding the nearest cave and going into it for a few minutes.
Whenever Im in an inn I'll purchase a meal, maybe some bread and cheese with an apple and a bottle of wine and have it before sleeping.
Early on I stole 75 gold from a Nords house in Riverwood. 10 minutes later I felt quite guilty so returned to the house , broke in and left him a gem worth 100g on the floor so he was reimbursed.
I'll often find a ridge/hilltop if its a nice evening (that red glow effect as the sun sets) and watch it turn to nightfall, just standing there.
If I have a house I'll sit both Lidia and my character on the chairs infront of the fire before logging out.
Early on when I hadnt enough money I collected pots/cups/ornaments from different dungeons and placed them around my house in Whiterun.
I'll often give Lidia food to carry, even though she cant consume it.

Right, where is the nearest psychiatrist?

I havent in skyrim yet (next character I will)

But I did all the time in oblivion

My favorite was my evil mage/warrior guy. I duped the tome of unlife and placed it all over the world

Places included: the island above Fin Gleam, the burned down house on an island, any other burned down buildings, maybe dive rock, and other places like that.
I also placed a skull 'watching' each book from hidden nooks around the spot

In the anvil house I saved every single gem I had collected and left them in baskets in front of the alter. I made pentagrams with bones, made a skeleton on the alter, and killed a follower with a perma-corpse (The ork chick from leyawin or w/e) and put her in a coffin

I also ate every time I rested, and only fast traveled for massive distances

I tried it for a while in Skyrim, but every other minute my horse would be attacked, i'd kill the attackers and find my horse had wandered off.

I also decided to walk around for a bit and take shelter during the night... until I got attacked by two dragons (one Ancient, one Frost), slew them both in a few hits each, and decided that if I could do that, there wasn't really much point in trying to be life-like even in the game.

"You know the dragonborn?"
"Yeah, he kills dragons in seconds."
"I know."
"He can run headfirst into a group of mages and come out without a scratch."
"It's amazing!"
"He can single-handedly topple entire covens of Hagravens or slay whole clans of bandits, even without being seen!"
"Extraordinary!"
"But he runs into a house when it starts to rain or when it's night time."
"...Big baby."

As a vampire/assassin/thief the night suits me pretty well.

I actually made myself lol at my strange behaviour on skyrim recently. In Markarth there's a quest where at some point you've got to kill this old dude and all his servants, after despatching them and dragging their (stripped of clothing) corpses into a pile in the fire place i walk out.

After the loading screen with absolutely no premeditation i walk straight back in and Fusdorah the extravangantly set dinner table.

Related to this later on in the very same quest you've got to talk to some dude called Medanach whos in jail. I didnt talk to him i just killed him, forget his motivations/side of the story, didnt even read his note.

Also whenever there's a dude who wants help clearing a dungeon i always kill them as soon as they turn their back.
'Sure, i'll help you retrieve the scroll' *trollface*.

BTW Is the super dragon priest tuskface any good? I unlocked it with my thief but annoyingly it's heavy armour.

I roleplay my characters ALOT. I also take my helmet off on my Berserker Ork when in towns, and I only ever wear my Daedric armor when the gak hits the fan, other wise hes ALWAYS wearing his fur armor (the one that has the bare chest) Ancient Nordic helm/gauntlets/boots. And I too ride my horse pretty much everywhere I go, and I fast travel as little as possible.

Your characters have Alots? Where'd you find them?

corpsesarefun wrote:As a vampire/assassin/thief the night suits me pretty well.

Is this with your Khajiit who was a werewolf by any chance?

Anyone listen to some of the Dark Brotherhood talking about their kills when you first enter? Seriously messed up story where the little girl kills a pedophile, not because of the fact that she killed a pedophile but because of the fact that they included it in game. Its like that one Thieve Guild member who has a story about her family being killed, her being abducted and raped by bandits, and then her slitting their throats before running away.

Sapphire is the TG story, Babette (IIRC) is the vampire girl who kills a paedophile.

Yea, its Babette.
I guess the pedophille is the reason she has a daedric hart.

The first quest of the mages guild bugged out for me.
Log entry says listen to Toldir or whatever his name is but he hsa only 3 dialogue options, trade, learn about mages guild and something else.
I cant perform the ward bit (where he shoots you and you absorb it with lesser ward) and hes not responding in any other way :(
Any ideas/fixes?

halonachos wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:As a vampire/assassin/thief the night suits me pretty well.

Is this with your Khajiit who was a werewolf by any chance?

Anyone listen to some of the Dark Brotherhood talking about their kills when you first enter? Seriously messed up story where the little girl kills a pedophile, not because of the fact that she killed a pedophile but because of the fact that they included it in game. Its like that one Thieve Guild member who has a story about her family being killed, her being abducted and raped by bandits, and then her slitting their throats before running away.

I agree, the whole Dark Brotherhood concept has taken another step in this game. Rather than just having them as shadowy types who kill for money, it becomes immediately obvious when you enter their lair that they are, well, complete psychopaths! That whole sequence reminded me of something like the Texas Chainsaw massacre, or lots of other horror movies where a whole family or group is killing people and then going on as if it's completely normal.

Pretty dark, but well done I think!

Ratius wrote:The first quest of the mages guild bugged out for me.
Log entry says listen to Toldir or whatever his name is but he hsa only 3 dialogue options, trade, learn about mages guild and something else.
I cant perform the ward bit (where he shoots you and you absorb it with lesser ward) and hes not responding in any other way :(
Any ideas/fixes?

to quote the wiki:
If all else fails, you can "complete" this quest and auto-start the next one "Under Saarthal" by typing console command "setstage Mg01 200".
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/First_Lessons

Yea I loved the Dark Brotherhood. But Ill make a suggestion, if you want it to actually be a challenge, either dont play as a sneaky type, or do it first thing, so your weaker, because once you can start instantly killing people with backstabds, and successfully sneak without being seen, its a bit too easy.

Thanks Dunwhich, I'll give it a try tonight.

Do all quests have an auto complete command?