We're waiting on the updated Army List book, which will have the entries from 1-5(or 6?) the current one is 1-3.

ah, gotcha, yalk made it sound like it had already been released

Just Bumping this to the front page ahead of new releases

Not up yet (broken link), but:

Linkety link

Ooh nice, I have been waiting for this!

Now we can play with certainty rather than pulled from awesome coverage those at the HHW did and shared.

G-g-goodbye unweildy on scythes

Together with this and the Crusade army list, we have everything up to date, if I understood it correctly?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Together with this and the Crusade army list, we have everything up to date, if I understood it correctly?

Aye, everything should be up to date with these two books

Excellent! Ordered them! Space is a very real concern to me, so not having to drag around all those fluff books is a boon.

You know there's a new Crusade book due soon too?

It's a teeny bit underhanded to directly solicit the sale of that one when the replacement is on the way, unless it's a lot further off than we suspect.

Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's some new "Support Cadre" Bundles up as well - with some savings.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You know there's a new Crusade book due soon too?

It's a teeny bit underhanded to directly solicit the sale of that one when the replacement is on the way, unless it's a lot further off than we suspect.

I was not aware of this - I thought the only book that was on the way, is the one that is up for pre-order now. Where did you see the news of a new Crusade book?

beast_gts wrote:
There's some new "Support Cadre" Bundles up as well - with some savings.

Apparently there is. 11 GBP cheaper than what you'd pay if you buy them all separately.

Damn it, ninja edited

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

I see, thank you, after all this time i still was not sure exactly what was in each of the red books, all i have been buying is the big ones.
I do plan on getting the smaller easier to reference versions eventually , I guess I will keep waiting for the new crusade book.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

There's two flavours of red book, the one with the Legion specific units, characters, ROW etc in them, and the one which features all the shared units which any Legion can utilise.

This new book is the Legion specific one, and has been expanded to cover books 1-5 rather than 1-3 as the previous one did. There is an equivalent shared units book on the way, but not as imminently.

Until that one goes on sale, I don't blame them for continuing to offer the old one, but it does seem a little disingenuous to actively solicit sales of the original Crusade book from the description of this new one, the implication being that's all you'll need, when the update has been announced already. Seems designed purely to capitalise on the ignorance of the poorly informed.

It's a tricky situation for any company that updates its products this way, granted, but there's a distinction between offering a product for sale, and directing people to purchase it alongside a new release.

Not entirely correct - There are two books out, but they have each their purpose:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Crusade-Army-List
This book is the generic models and units available to all legions - It has the warlord traits, the units, the CAD build and the missions. You can see it as yor Codex: 30k Space Marines. It contains all generic units up until HH vol 3. (so it doesn't include the Deredeo Dreadnought, the Xiphon Interceptor and the Stormbird, but contains all other generic units)

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Legions
The new one contains all the special units, special rules and primarchs for the legions. You can see it as Supplement: Legions. It does not contain any units that are generic, but is focused solely on the flavor of each legion.

In order to play 30k effectively, you will need both: Crusade army list for your generic models and Legions for your special rules. They are meant to supplement each other, not replace one another. it even says so at the botom of the book on the FW page:
"You will need a copy of The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List and the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook to use this book. "

I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

Unfotuntaly its a problem they will always have as long as they want to keep releasing new stuff for the armies while also simultaneously selling summary books, kind of catch 22.

Until its all over there will always be another more updated book looming on the horizon.

At least this time with the crusade book, we were forewarned somewhat, im pretty sure I read people were told it was on its way.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

 Nordicus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

There was a picture of the cover at the last HH event showing the other new red book, it even had a different title, too.

Ah, so I'm not going mental! I've seen it referred to by a lot of people in the manner of a "when" rather than an "if" and I was sure I remembered something from the Weekender, but Google has a habit of hiding things when you need them.

 Rayvon wrote:


Is the new red crusade book still actually coming or have they put the updates in this extra additional book instead ?

Most signs point to it arriving in a couple months. Supposedly it had been sent to the printer at about the time of the Weekender.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Nordicus wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm aware of the difference, I actually explained it in the post you quoted, my impression was that there was a 1-5 Crusade volume on its way to match the 1-5 Legion one, although I'm now beginning to think what I read was assumption, rather than actual reported fact, as I can't find a direct ref to it anywhere.

I understand why you would assume that, as it would be logical - I haven't seen anything about it personally though, only that they made this legion book so you wouldn't need to invest half of your house in massive tomes to get your legion rules

There was a picture of the cover at the last HH event showing the other new red book, it even had a different title, too.

Isn't that the Solar Auxilia / Knights / etc. one?


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And the other one:

So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

I don't know anymore!

At least the Crusade army list was FAQ'd - suggesting the new book is a while away or it won't be essential to buy the new book.

The Legion specific book out today was essential as it changed quite a bit for each legion ruleset.

I ordered 8 for my group!

 Ashiraya wrote:
So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

Yes...in a couple months.

It's possible that they will create errata for the changes so that you don't need to buy the updated version. But I don't think anyone knows for sure.

 BrookM wrote:
Not up yet (broken link), but:

Spoiler:

Ordered! Along with HH Book 6 and IA book 13.

yay, books!

Mechanicum Taghmata Support Cadre looks good.


It's too bad FW hasn't come around to make the AL terminator special unit yet, I would totally buy that deal.

beast_gts wrote:
There's some new "Support Cadre" Bundles up as well - with some savings.

Nice looking. Just happen to have £120 odd quid burning a hole in my pocket. Then I get clobbered for the postage tax. Dammit.

Ashiraya wrote:So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

Azreal13 wrote:I don't know anymore!

No you were correct. I spoke to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh at the Weekender and they confirmed that there is a new Crusade book, with the generic Legion units on the way. It was getting printed around the time of the weekener so it shouldn't be too far off.

The only units I was told about that were getting changes were Assault marines and Destroyers. Both getting massive point reductions.

The only unit I know thats not getting changed are Breachers.

 Nordicus wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Together with this and the Crusade army list, we have everything up to date, if I understood it correctly?

Aye, everything should be up to date with these two books

Not 100% true. I belive Book 6 added new Rites of War, updated the vindicator rules (With them now in squarons), added that legion interceptor and made a unit entry specific for Quad Gun Rapiers with all the new ammo types.

I haven't gotten around to getting book 6 yet, but I am planning on it since I'm interesting in Iron Fire and Armoured Break thru.

What then complicates things more in that some of the new rites of war in book 6 requires you to take units and/or allies from the Milita/Cult Army list. For this army list you need to the buy book 5 or wait for the imperial army red book that is next up now that we got the new age of darkness redbook.

SOOOO still no Badab update then. Got it

I emailed FW about 3 weeks ago re: IA 8 update possibilities.
No reply as yet

Thamor wrote:
No you were correct. I spoke to Andy Hoare and Alan Bligh at the Weekender and they confirmed that there is a new Crusade book, with the generic Legion units on the way. It was getting printed around the time of the weekener so it shouldn't be too far off.

The only units I was told about that were getting changes were Assault marines and Destroyers. Both getting massive point reductions.

The only unit I know thats not getting changed are Breachers.

Ooooo...Destroyers. I heard about Assault squads getting a points cut, but not them. That could influence future purchases, depending on how they sort out...

Yes, assault squad point reductions! Yeees!

Looks like those new bundles do actually have some savings. At least, the WE one I priced and its saves you £10 to buy the bundle. Sadly, I saw what was in it and was like "pass".

£11 saved on the Solar Auxilia bundle, though yeah, the contents aren't that stellar sadly.

Though one can never have enough Veletaris these days!

 gorgon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
So I just ordered a book that will be out of date shortly?

That sucks.

Well, I cancelled it.

Edit: Or should I? I am confused now. Are we getting a new Crusade army list or not?

Yes...in a couple months.

It's possible that they will create errata for the changes so that you don't need to buy the updated version. But I don't think anyone knows for sure.

We are, and this legion rules book we very much needed. A suggestion would be to look at what was mentioned from the GW events in the uk as there's a lot out there no need to rush and regret.

Well the FAQ seems to cover most of the obvious changes incoming (except points).

So my guess is that they are not going to do a Legion one - you'll have to buy the new book to get your legion specific changes.


The current FAQ is a stop gap for at least a couple of months until the new Marine book is out , which I assume would have points changes in it .

I'd hang off on the Space Marine book until the reprint.

I'm not sure if the new crusade army list book will be updated as soon as some people think. We were shown the cover for the imperial army book. (Solar aux, milita, knights)

I understood from what was posted we are getting this before the new crusade red book.

Can't even get to the FW site right now.

Anyway, these red books are too confusing. I'll wait 'til a special edition that bundles them in with a main book comes along, just like last time.

FW Shadowsword Arcadian Pattern is sold out:

Regarding the 'rules only' HH books, I get why they're doing them without actually having finished the war...but as a consumer it's kind of annoying.

I think, I might wait for the completion of the HH as far as FW is concerned (the massive books) and THEN get the rules versions (chances are they'll update at least ONCE more before they're done). Because I've already made the mistake of purchasing rules from FW only to have a re-release with an update (looks at Vraks books).

 Frankenberry wrote:


I think, I might wait for the completion of the HH as far as FW is concerned (the massive books) and THEN get the rules versions (chances are they'll update at least ONCE more before they're done).

That could be 10 years from now

Fw are doing what gw main does, releases new books, I for one am applauding them for actually FIXING units that don't work and making the effort.

I'm just slightly disappointed they're still red. I kinda want my only red book to be the Mechanicum one. For theme.
Oh well, maybe there will be a special limited edition of book VII that includes a slipcase for books V and VI as well as black editions of the new generic legion list and the updated legion-specific list to include units from said Book VII?
That would be nice.

 Formosa wrote:
Fw are doing what gw main does, releases new books, I for one am applauding them for actually FIXING units that don't work and making the effort.

A small but crucial distinction! I've no issue with replacing a book of rules every few years if the replacement actually serves to improve on its predecessor and not just make a bunch of arbitrary changes generated from Jervis' big D666 table o' rules.

I don't mind the red books - it's much easier on the wallet to buy two rules-only books for $50/each than a bunch of massive fluff-and-rules books for $110/each when you're on a budget.

Besides the updates to the units, does this book contain the new rites of war?

 Yaraton wrote:
FW Shadowsword Arcadian Pattern is sold out:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Makes sense. The Arcadian pattern upgrades were basically a stopgap conversion kit, using the new (at the time) plastic baneblade as a base to reduce both cost and price of the shadowsword kit. It did replace the cool old one with the full interior, but was made obsolete when GW made their own plastic model by adding a few sprues to the baneblade kit alongside with the release of the Stompa (now if they will just add a couple sprues to the stompa kit to add some more options like alternate heads, a belly gun, and other parts to make a Big Mek Stompa, I'd be OK with a price bump to $160 to match the Baneblade/Tess Ark/Lord of Skulls)

If GW made plastic versions of some other hybrid kits FW has right now, I'd expect them to disappear as well, things like the Vulture which borrows parts of the valkyrie, or maybe even some of the Deimos pattern marine vehicles if GW does a plastic kit of those (though that would probably take longer)

When did GW rename it from Arkurion to Arcadian?

 teban wrote:
Besides the updates to the units, does this book contain the new rites of war?

I don't think so, no. As far as I know, it doesn't have anything from book 6 in there.

More heavy weapons ... https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=899530

Dat Volkite doe! And that AC! Man, those look sharp!

Nice!

That AC is much better than the costing one with the super fiddly cable that attaches to the backpack

That Volkite could be used as Kakophoni/Noise Marines (if you dont want to buy the models)

Wonder if that Volkite would be big enough to mount on a MkIV dreadnought (Brick one)

I thought for a second the AC had a nice little detail in a barrel swap handed...but alas its just tubing. While underslung looks cool, I can't imagine that is the most accurate methode for firing a cannon.

Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

 Fireball wrote:
More heavy weapons ...

So sexy. Do want!

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

MKV Dreadnought Assault Drill (Left Arm) is sold out (no longer available).



I wish FW had a section like GW now does - "Last chance to buy".

If it's still on the website like that it usually means it's coming back eventually (once they remake the mould or repair the master and then remake the mould)

gone for good tends to just vanish

Didnt even notice but the backpack is really cool too.

Aww i really love that tri grinder arm :(

A whole bunch of stuff has been doing that only to come back later with better photos and in the new clamshell packaging. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 Fireball wrote:
More heavy weapons ...

Chaos Havocs rejoice! It pleases me to see lots of weapons that don't need their barrels drilled out.

I kinda have to prefer the Anvil Industries Autocannons, too. They are only 6 bucks a pair, though they are made as an entire arm replacement rather than the Calth conversions like FW. Volkite is awesome, though!

So, Wild and rampant speculation time. Doom of Mymeara has been the only true Imperial armour book to come out since formations came a big thing(Barring Vraks)
It has formations that can be used in the Warhost Detachment. Do you guys think that it will be the same for the Tau/Admech/Marines one? I think it might. Might give Battle Company some really cool options.

 Yaraton wrote:
MKV Dreadnought Assault Drill (Left Arm) is sold out (no longer available).



I wish FW had a section like GW now does - "Last chance to buy".

You and me both.


Oh, and the Vanaheim Pattern Griffons are "sold out" and "no longer available" too.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Vanaheim-Pattern-Griffon

 BrotherGecko wrote:
No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

As usual, I rather suspect nobody at Games Workshop has any military experience, or they actively avoid making use of it with their designs. These are very much "rule of cool" weapons, about as well designed as a safety helmet made of sponge.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

They have superhuman strength they can just lift the gun higher if they need to, and for the same reason recoil is a non issue. Its like the Terminator with the stampede gun, it ain't no thing.

Tank_Dweller wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

They have superhuman strength they can just lift the gun higher if they need to, and for the same reason recoil is a non issue. Its like the Terminator with the stampede gun, it ain't no thing.

Nothing about a marines biceps will stop the barrel from moving downward after every round leaves the barrel. Even on tripods and flex mounts guns still experience recoil. The marine gangster leaning his cannon to shoot at chest height would only make that even worse due to awkward positioning. Even though a marines PA can lock his arms in place, that has zero effect on the energy unleashed inside the firing chanber of the weapon that gets transfered down the barrel.

There is also the fact that to fire long range he would need to put a crazy angle for aiming an lob rounds on target in order to account for gravity, wind and intervening debris.

The AC already had a cool underslung model. FW should of went with a shoulder mounted cannon look for this one. Similar to the rocket launcher as in using both arms. Like a firing arm and one holding a handle.

Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

The porting on the barrel would sling the gun toward the bracing arm and up. As far as a real world weapon analog to the AC is the bushmaster on a Bradley FV. And a man portable version of that is

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

I could have swore that it's been mentioned in fluff before that power armor can kinda/sorta 'lock' for recoil elimination purposes.

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

Sure, I guess you could do that. But that's no way to show off your knowledge on an internet forum.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Why not simply imagine that the Autocannon has some sort of energy transfer-based recoil elimination system? It's not hard to imagine that they will have solved this problem somehow.

I could have swore that it's been mentioned in fluff before that power armor can kinda/sorta 'lock' for recoil elimination purposes.

I - think - that is mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy novels.

 warboss wrote:
I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

Large artillery has a lot of recoil, and many use some of that energy to eject the casing, just like an automatic pistol. They were doing this back in the 1930s...

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

That's because probably every firearm you fired had the bore above the plane of the wrist (aka the pivot point) meaning the recoil moment has a component tangent to the axis of rotation, forcing the pivot (wrist) to rotate.
If the bore was exactly normal to the centre of rotation of your wrist/the mounting, then the force would travel through it rather than around it, eliminating rotation in favour of more thrust backwards.
This is why artillery elevation trunnions are mounted exactly on the bore axis; all the recoil goes into moving the whole piece backwards rather than into torquing the barrel off of the carriage.
There have, of course, been handguns that seek to mitigate this somewhat, amongst the most famous of which is the Mateba "inverted" revolver and its descendants, where the bore axis is aligned with the bottom of the frame rather than the top.

Anyway, the effect of recoil is obviously reversed if the bore axis is below the pivot so an underslung cannon would tend to dip when fired, an effect that would be exacerbated by the mass of the magazine and firing mechanism being on the same side of the pivot, as in these examples.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Those weapons, just like the bolter, are hard wired to the display of the helmet. Or did you really think that they'd aim with such a blocky iron sight on their weapons?

No, I was refering to the weapons field of view being restricted to the knee level of the marine. Try long range shooting with a field of view 4ft off the ground on a cluttered battlefield. Or firing the weapon from a defensive position. Or that the recoil would like spoil any ranged shot due to it pushing the barrel downward.

No, I wasn't thinking about iron sight aiming.

I was under the impression that recoil generally pushes the barrel back and upward. Is that incorrect with larger calibre weapons? That's been the case with every (admittedly small arms) weapon I've fired.

That's because probably every firearm you fired had the bore above the plane of the wrist (aka the pivot point) meaning the recoil moment has a component tangent to the axis of rotation, forcing the pivot (wrist) to rotate.
If the bore was exactly normal to the centre of rotation of your wrist/the mounting, then the force would travel through it rather than around it, eliminating rotation in favour of more thrust backwards.
This is why artillery elevation trunnions are mounted exactly on the bore axis; all the recoil goes into moving the whole piece backwards rather than into torquing the barrel off of the carriage.
There have, of course, been handguns that seek to mitigate this somewhat, amongst the most famous of which is the Mateba "inverted" revolver and its descendants, where the bore axis is aligned with the bottom of the frame rather than the top.

Anyway, the effect of recoil is obviously reversed if the bore axis is below the pivot so an underslung cannon would tend to dip when fired, an effect that would be exacerbated by the mass of the magazine and firing mechanism being on the same side of the pivot, as in these examples.

Thank you for that technical explanation to how recoil works.

Still it makes no sense why they made another AC only slightly different than the last design. Barring the underslung volkite and HB it makes sense stylistically to do the other weapons underslung. The HB already has an over the shoulder design so the volkite and AC should have been over the shoulder to create to different variants of every heavy weapon.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, Wild and rampant speculation time. Doom of Mymeara has been the only true Imperial armour book to come out since formations came a big thing(Barring Vraks)
It has formations that can be used in the Warhost Detachment. Do you guys think that it will be the same for the Tau/Admech/Marines one? I think it might. Might give Battle Company some really cool options.

I hope so, will be interesting to see where FW go next with their 40k range.

is the "win a titan" event just for UK residents or everywhere?

Part of me wants to get the volkites and use them as counts as grav cannons for a battle co done up in MK 4...

I agree. The PA Grav Cannons just look terribly silly.

 aracersss wrote:
is the "win a titan" event just for UK residents or everywhere?

It's for everyone who can afford resin goodness.

Countries: Worldwide excluding Quebec and the states of Colorado, North Dakota and Arizona.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/win-a-titan

Space Wolves HH upgrades update! https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/blog/blog.jsp?_requestid=6128458
Very nice. Check back in a few weeks.!!!!

This week I stepped into the Forge World Studio and saw something that answers a question that’s we’ve been asked time and time again – When will there be upgrades for all eighteen Legions?

It’s been a long road but we’re almost there, because the answer is – Very soon!

That’s right, upgrades for the Sons of Russ, the VIth Legion, the Space Wolves aren’t far away. Keep a look out for a Forge World newsletter announcing their release soon.

If that’s not enough for all of you Fenrisians, I hear some old favourites will be coming back to the Forge World web store too. The Space Wolf Terminator Upgrade set has been missing in action for quite some time, but it’ll be making a reappearance just as soon as we can make enough to satisfy all of you aspiring Wolf Lords.

Those pseudo-Celtic knot designs on the carapace there?
Amazing.
But those are "just" MkIV torsos, what are they gonna do with the MkIII stuff?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Those pseudo-Celtic knot designs on the carapace there?
Amazing.
But those are "just" MkIV torsos, what are they gonna do with the MkIII stuff?

Doubt it, as all the other custom sets they have produced recently are for the Calth set - Even Iron Warriors are MKIV.

Excellent, more parts for the Storm Wardens / Lone Wolves that I'm building, mwahahahahaha

 Nordicus wrote:
Even Iron Warriors are MKIV.

IW are not Mk4; they're entirely 2/3 save for one shoulder pad set in 4.
They were also done way before BAC.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 Nordicus wrote:
Even Iron Warriors are MKIV.

IW are not Mk4; they're entirely 2/3 save for one shoulder pad set in 4.
They were also done way before BAC.

Ah you are right - They just looked like MKIV when I looked at them, but the description says otherwise.

Still, the majority of the new sets are in MKIV to match the Calth set, so I doubt we will see new MKIII sets until new marines comes out in plastic format.

Makes me hopeful for the next Horus Heresy board game having MkIII in plastic. I love MkIII.

MKIII is best MK!

Those Space Wolf terminator heads look pretty sharp. Terminator Torsos are OK.

The PA chest pieces look great! I like those runes.

The White Scars torsos and heads that I got were not Mk4, but I cheerfully glued the sodding things onto my B@C set anyway. I very much doubt that my regular opponents will be able to notice the difference!

I'd rather have a few sprues of mark 5. The books seem to be getting to the point where that's going to be coming into service. There's plenty of room there to mix things up, too.

I like the knot work. Hopefully they do more shoulder pads, something that's not just the same old blackmane icon that we've had since forever.

I've been waiting to see what FW do with SW, definitely looking forward to what else they come out with for the Pups. I'm hoping for something grittier and less Wolfy Wolf McWolferson.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Those pseudo-Celtic knot designs on the carapace there?
Amazing.
But those are "just" MkIV torsos, what are they gonna do with the MkIII stuff?

Nah those are MkIII torsos:




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 kronk wrote:
MKIII is best MK!

Those Space Wolf terminator heads look pretty sharp. Terminator Torsos are OK.

The PA chest pieces look great! I like those runes.

The terminators are actually an old kit being re-released - I remember them from a few years ago.

God dayum those heads look nice!

The crotchguard is a bit shorter than on regular MKIII, but I'd say those shoulderpard are clearly MKIII.

I like the look of exposed cables on the torsos

Good. Mk II/III is the preferred space wolf mark; the classic (metal) Long Fangs were all still wearing it right into 40k….

Looking forward to the helmets for the PA Space Wolves.

 Zywus wrote:
The crotchguard is a bit shorter than on regular MKIII, but I'd say those shoulderpard are clearly MKIII.

I like the look of exposed cables on the torsos

well, it's much colder on Fenris, remember, so they don't need the crotch guard to be so low

Yeah I have to say that they definitely look good on more than one aspect. Though I am curious am I the only one who noticed that one of the terminators modeled was given a storm shield? Would be kinda awesome if we got access to them like the salamanders do.

The terminator upgrades were pictured glued to 40k plastics though. Unless we see something else about it, it's likely just a convenient something else to go along wit the SW HH releases. Of course, they could probably go onto the B@C cataphractii legs no problem so that's up in the air I guess

 Powerfisting wrote:
The terminator upgrades were pictured glued to 40k plastics though. Unless we see something else about it, it's likely just a convenient something else to go along wit the SW HH releases. Of course, they could probably go onto the B@C cataphractii legs no problem so that's up in the air I guess

The torso's with the cataphractii legs and arms maby? Not sure how that would look TBH. The proportions between the two armours might be to "off" from each other.

Eaither way you can use indomitus Terminator Armour in 30k, it just dosen't get any of the bonuses that cataphractii and tartaros armour gets. Their was a point to takeing indomitus at one point since it could overwatch unlike Cataphractii. But with the new rules for Tartaros, Tartaros is a direct upgrade since it can do that and sweeping advance.
=/

The terminator kit is an old SW Terminator Upgrade kit that has been around forever. It has nothing to do with the HH stuff.

This is the whole kit.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
The crotchguard is a bit shorter than on regular MKIII, but I'd say those shoulderpard are clearly MKIII.

I like the look of exposed cables on the torsos

well, it's much colder on Fenris, remember, so they don't need the crotch guard to be so low

True.

There might be no wolves on Fenris, but there are shrinkage.

 Zywus wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
The crotchguard is a bit shorter than on regular MKIII, but I'd say those shoulderpard are clearly MKIII.

I like the look of exposed cables on the torsos

well, it's much colder on Fenris, remember, so they don't need the crotch guard to be so low

True.

There might be no wolves on Fenris, but there are shrinkage.

I'm glad someone got it

In case I missed it or whatever, can anyone remember from any events recently whether FW mentioned updating IA12?

Did FW gave any approx date for the release of the alternative heads and carapace weapons for the Warlord Titan we saw in the last weekender ?

Surprised this hasn't been posted and whined about yet:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Leviathan-Dreadnought-with-Cyclonic-Melta-Lance-and-Siege-Claw



Rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Datasheets/LeviathanSiegeDreadnoughtRules.pdf

And all those shiny new heavy weapons, here's a few:








And here's all of them: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/New

re the Leviathan - only 40K rules even though it's filed in the HH section.
Need to get the other version so bad!

huh, you got to bend the feed cables yourself on these ones. Best way to do it, but probley a turn off for alot of people. FW should start doing thows parts the way Zing dose his flexible resin.

It's not a big deal to me, but I know I'm not going to hear the end of it from the local 30k group.

I bought the other auto cannons with the pre-bent cables that attach the gun to the backpack. Those are no walk in the park...

The previous designs, IIRC, only had a single arm pose, so they could cast the ammo feeds in the right shape (and even then, they weren't a perfect fit). These ones are designed to go on the Betrayal At Calth plastics with at least three different arm positions. If they put in fifteen ammo feeds with each pack of weapons, people would be complaining that they were overpricing the kits by adding extraneous material ...

Perhaps it's more hassle across the pond where everyone might not have a kettle?

Zinge Industries also sells flexible ammo feeds and power cables, should one get fed up with trying to bend these into shape.

When assembling my Castellax and Thanatar, I was very thankful for my wife's hairdryer when gluing on the ammo feeds.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The previous designs, IIRC, only had a single arm pose, so they could cast the ammo feeds in the right shape (and even then, they weren't a perfect fit). These ones are designed to go on the Betrayal At Calth plastics with at least three different arm positions. If they put in fifteen ammo feeds with each pack of weapons, people would be complaining that they were overpricing the kits by adding extraneous material ...

Perhaps it's more hassle across the pond where everyone might not have a kettle?

What do I need a kettle for? We have hot tap water. Is that not enough?

I get that its a luxury product and also marketed for more skilled/ experienced hobbyists but I feel like the upgrades to plastic kits are something they should be keeping simple. That way, they can use them as bait. The bigger full resin kits can remain difficult and more involved because by then its a given. Correct me if I'm wrong, I get the feeling that FW isn't keeping the lights on with the occasional titan purchase. People like me who splurge on upgrade sets must count for a lot anyway, even if I never buy one thunderhawk.

I don't know what you mean exactly by "occasional" Titan purchase (they had approximately five times the expected demand for Warlord Titans on day one and I don't get the impression it has let up that much since) but their bread and butter has always been the bigger model kits.
Recall that once, long ago, they had exactly zero infantry kits in their catalogue unless you counted the 8" tall super-detailed space marine statuette that sold for £90.

I honestly think the FW kits are fairly simple to put together. For example my old man has a 1:35 scale resin tank kit that he is making. It has 400 track components that he needs to drill a hole through on each one to fit the brass rod track link......so it could be a lot worse lol

However, the 1:35 kit is of a higher quality and fits together much better than your average FW kit.

anyone have a timeframe on the space wolf kits?

I want to put together an order for some VOlkite/rotor cannons and if the SW are supposed to be soon, I'll hold off and get everything at once.

Ok, here is how ya do it.
Assemble the gun and back pack as normal.
glue the belt too the backpack.
Go get a pair of plyers or something ti put models in.
After that, put some water in a mug in the microwave for 15 minutes or longer.
Get some ice water.
Put the model in the hot water, then bend to gun
Put in ice water.
BOOM, your good.

Triszin wrote:
anyone have a timeframe on the space wolf kits?

I want to put together an order for some VOlkite/rotor cannons and if the SW are supposed to be soon, I'll hold off and get everything at once.

one attendee from the HH Weekender estimated September to October but who knows.

The bulletin this week previewed them and said 'soon'. whatever that may mean.

September/October seems a very long time to wait. If something's in the bulletin we'll usually see it within a few weeks.

Daston wrote:
I honestly think the FW kits are fairly simple to put together. For example my old man has a 1:35 scale resin tank kit that he is making. It has 400 track components that he needs to drill a hole through on each one to fit the brass rod track link......so it could be a lot worse lol

Wow. That's... incredibly frustrating lol. Think I'll stick to my 40k!

 Powerfisting wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The previous designs, IIRC, only had a single arm pose, so they could cast the ammo feeds in the right shape (and even then, they weren't a perfect fit). These ones are designed to go on the Betrayal At Calth plastics with at least three different arm positions. If they put in fifteen ammo feeds with each pack of weapons, people would be complaining that they were overpricing the kits by adding extraneous material ...

Perhaps it's more hassle across the pond where everyone might not have a kettle?

What do I need a kettle for? We have hot tap water. Is that not enough?

Most people don't set their hot water that high because you know.... it would burn you.

A electric kettle gets the water much hotter witch helps makes the resin more flexible.

I also use wooden chop sticks to hold the part in the water. Metal forks or spoons absorb heat out of the part and water.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, here is how ya do it.
Assemble the gun and back pack as normal.
glue the belt too the backpack.
Go get a pair of plyers or something ti put models in.
After that, put some water in a mug in the microwave for 15 minutes or longer.
Get some ice water.
Put the model in the hot water, then bend to gun
Put in ice water.
BOOM, your good.

Do not put entire resin models into water thats been nuked for 15 minutes! Your models will become trash lol.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, here is how ya do it.
Assemble the gun and back pack as normal.
glue the belt too the backpack.
Go get a pair of plyers or something ti put models in.
After that, put some water in a mug in the microwave for 15 minutes or longer.
Get some ice water.
Put the model in the hot water, then bend to gun
Put in ice water.
BOOM, your good.

Do not put entire resin models into water thats been nuked for 15 minutes! Your models will become trash lol.

And why would anybody do that? You do that with only the warped parts. And its quite simple.
My Krios Venator was more of a pain, because massive misscasts on the chassis. Took longer than I expected. Well, the whole kit is quite a pain in the back.
--------------------------------
Any timeframe on the Ursarax? I wait very long for this kit.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, here is how ya do it.
Assemble the gun and back pack as normal.
glue the belt too the backpack.
Go get a pair of plyers or something ti put models in.
After that, put some water in a mug in the microwave for 15 minutes or longer.
Get some ice water.
Put the model in the hot water, then bend to gun
Put in ice water.
BOOM, your good.

Do not put entire resin models into water thats been nuked for 15 minutes! Your models will become trash lol.

And why would anybody do that? You do that with only the warped parts. And its quite simple.
My Krios Venator was more of a pain, because massive misscasts on the chassis. Took longer than I expected. Well, the whole kit is quite a pain in the back.
--------------------------------
Any timeframe on the Ursarax? I wait very long for this kit.

15mins will boil away the water 30-60 seconds will do you

did i type 15?
Damn phone.
I meant 1-5

Or it will flash boil when you put the parts in, and it will do a little more than just ruin your day.

I have literally NEVER had problems with resin doing that. that is how I bend my finecast, forgeworld and others.

Please stay on topic here (Forgeworld News and Rumors) and move resin tips-n-tricks over to the appropriate P&M forum - thanks!

From today's bulletin:


New Sons of Horus transfers


Blackshield transfers, I am pretty sure

Now if they would just RELEASE THEM and the House Vyronii ones they showed in October, I would be happy. Never understood the lead time on decal sheets, since you just print them...

The skeletal Imperial Aquilas on the Blackshield sheet are proper badass.

I very much hope that the second sheet is more Solar Auxilia goodness.

 BrookM wrote:
I very much hope that the second sheet is more Solar Auxilia goodness.

Definitely Blackshields, given the skull aquila and the seahorse, both featured in HH6.

Could quite easily use them for custom SA regiments though. They look sweet, as I'm sure the SoH ones will be.

What are the SoH xfers for? Weren't they like the first legion to get rules? Surely they would already have transfers?

 Powerfisting wrote:
What are the SoH xfers for? Weren't they like the first legion to get rules? Surely they would already have transfers?

They have steadily been updating from just basic icons to these more lavish ones.

 Powerfisting wrote:
What are the SoH xfers for? Weren't they like the first legion to get rules? Surely they would already have transfers?

They did, but they hired Holly Goodwin recently and she's been doing stellar work on the transfers so they're updating the older ones too.

The lead time on transfers is because of the same reason there's a lead time on books, for all that you're "just printing them" – it's not like these things are run off on a laser printer in the office.

I'm not sure that second sheet is Blackshields, those runes in the top right look distinctly chaotic, and the heading for the bulletin is "Symbols Of Treachery."

That second sheet is for Luthor's Dark Angels turned traitor, I think.

These Blackshields from book 6 have the symbols on them (skeletal Aquila on the shoulder, sword and snake on the leg, think the other has the little runes on his shoulder)

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not sure that second sheet is Blackshields, those runes in the top right look distinctly chaotic, and the heading for the bulletin is "Symbols Of Treachery."

Totally Blackshields. I am surprised they are doing transfers for them, but that may help cement my choice, so I am pretty stoked to see the full sheet.

So pretty!

How odd that a Loyalist faction should have such Chaotic looking livery, but there's no arguing with those pics..

Y'know what, I wonder if those runes are from their native tongues?

They could be Cthonian, Cholchisian or what have you.

Blackshields aren't all loyalists. Some are, some aren't, some are neither and just fight for their own goals.

 Azreal13 wrote:
How odd that a Loyalist faction should have such Chaotic looking livery, but there's no arguing with those pics..

Who told you that Blackshields are loyalist? Or all loyalist at least….
Both the Blackshields and the Shattered Legions are catch-all terms for groups which may or may not be on either side and, in the particular case of the Blackshields may be on no-one's side but their own.

Loyal...ish?

At any rate, I want book 6 to hurry up and get here so I can read it!

EDIT: bloody double-post!

New Ordinatus and a new Forgeworld Last Chance to Buy sections...




And a bundle. No discount though...





And a Forgeworld last change to buy section:

40k

Warhammer AOS

STILL no alternative Warlord Titan weapons... sigh

GG Warhammer Forge. Bring out rules for the Brood Horror one week, discontinue it the next

 Rygnan wrote:
GG Warhammer Forge. Bring out rules for the Brood Horror one week, discontinue it the next

You need to buy the one with the Warlord on top now, I guess.

They're getting rid of the Kil Krusha?!?! :O

Noooooooooooo!!!!

Well then, I know what I'm buying in a couple of weeks.

I don't even care that the rules haven't been updated and weren't amazing in the first place, it's just such a spectacular model.

Edit: Actually, considering the weird variety of models on the last chance list, might they be due to the moulds wearing out?

NO!
NOT THE GREY KNIGHTS TANK COMMANDER!!
WHY?!?!?

 Rygnan wrote:
GG Warhammer Forge. Bring out rules for the Brood Horror one week, discontinue it the next

Good for those that already owned it, I guess.

 Rygnan wrote:
GG Warhammer Forge. Bring out rules for the Brood Horror one week, discontinue it the next

They had to do rules because people already have the models and you can still get the one with the Warlord on. They also did rules for the Curs'd Ettin which has been discontinued for a while.

OOF.

The Mk IV dreadnought? I mean, I knew about the Legion specific ones (largely as they weren't selling so they weren't redoing them) but the generic Mk IV and Mk IV Venerable too?!

I do so hope that's an indication of either a new sculpt or a plastic kit for those soon - Mk Vs look out of place in Horus Heresy stuff :(

WAIT!
The 'Last Chance to Buy' could be April Fools!

I *may* have had a panic reaction and bought a Kil Krusha. If that was their intention, then it's working.

How could this actually be April Fools?

They are selling something, there is money involved, it ends with a contract. There are standards in Europe regarding last-chance-to-buy offers. GW wont damage their credibility with fraud like this. Seriously, remove the tinfoil hat These models are gone (soon)

An April Fools is the Black Library foldout-book one, which gives you a notification during Checkout.

Crap these sold fast!

Kill Krusha is already sold out!

Certainly some interesting choices on that list. Omega variant of the Macharius. Some of the Cadian respirators. I saw the GK dread body, but not the arms?

Mk 4 gk dread is still normally available so the arms should stay too.

Wow, that list is almost all sold out. The Macharius Omega I was somewhat surprised about considering it was a more recent model. Looks like it didn't sell enough to justify keeping and the fact that it's still up...

As of about an hour ago the Kil Krusha has sold out, and is no longer available.

RIP.

I might have bought the last Kill Krusha. When choosing to continue browsing after I finished my purchase it was listed as out of stock.

Shame about the Cadian Respirators. I have a whole army of those guys and now can't get more.
Same with the Sabres.
Weird about the Aircraft weapons.

 Goliath wrote:
As of about an hour ago the Kil Krusha has sold out, and is no longer available.

RIP.

:( :( If I'd been able to randomly blow $200 on miniatures, I'd have grabbed that in a heartbeat. The FW ork tanks are such incredible models. My only hope is that maybe, just maybe, they're planning a plastic kit to go along with a revamped ork codex.... (I have absolutely nothing whatsoever to confirm this, it's just really, really wishful thinking on my part.)

Aw, I wanted a DG dreadnought...

Damn, Wight King sold out... had ordered one with my group order this evening. Snatched one off of Ebay before prices go up.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Damn, Wight King sold out... had ordered one with my group order this evening. Snatched one off of Ebay before prices go up.

Sorely tempted but couldn't come at a worse time after the WHFB purge last weekend :( Hopefully they can stall any future Last Chance's until my wallet recovers!! Guess I'll have to try to pick up that wight at a later stage!

Sigh. Warlord weapon arm on tracks, still no warlord titan parts.
Sad to see some of the stuff go away.

Macharius Omega has now gone as well as most of the Dreadnoughts and weapons. Not much left in the 40k list...

Ordinatuses (ordinatusii?) are great, but when are they gonna make a Leviathan?

People complain about the brood horror, yet how many years ago was the chaos war mammoth dropped?

And that's had AoS rules since the scrolls started lol.

Forgeworld gets another step closer to selling only shoulderpads and (imperial) titans..

 Shandara wrote:
Forgeworld gets another step closer to selling only shoulderpads and (imperial) titans..

Or they are taking cues from GW to drop their WHFB-oriented stuff in favor of future AoS stuff. Remember, they just dropped a badass Khorne daemon that I for sure am getting for my Bloodbound. So, maybe more stuff will be on the way that fits their new, updated fantasy look.

Also, it would be shoulderpads, titans, and Knights. God knows they make them some Knights.

Goodbye macharius omega, one less thing on my wish list.

OMG, so much dread stuff is gone! D=

The macharius tanks going away is most surprising. I thought they were fairly popular.

 Lockark wrote:


The macharius tanks going away is most surprising. I thought they were fairly popular.

A Macharius tank went away, not tanks. The others are still available.

I am sad I didn't get a chance to own an Omega tank. I always liked that design but it was released at a point when I was slowing down on 40k and couldn't justify adding another FW super heavy to my collection.

Shame, though. It is a beautiful model.

nudibranch wrote:
Aw, I wanted a DG dreadnought...

That one was actually the worse of the two. I actually was lucky enough to get hold of the better of the two, which was discontinued about 6 months ago.

I've put together a few of those Kill-Krushas, they were the devil himself to assemble. Nice looking kit, but one of the most flawed in terms of design.

I wonder what's prompted them to cut swathes of their lines.

Out with the old, in with the new.

They do this every now and again.

It seems that everyone appears to be assuming that we'll never be able to buy these again. Is it possible that they're only temporarily out of stock, perhaps making new moulds, or shifting priority towards other lines, and that we'll see them again in the future?

 Valkyrie wrote:
It seems that everyone appears to be assuming that we'll never be able to buy these again. Is it possible that they're only temporarily out of stock, perhaps making new moulds, or shifting priority towards other lines, and that we'll see them again in the future?

No, they've made new molds for things before and they just go out of stock for a while. None of this last chance to buy stuff. Last chance to buy is exactly as it sounds, one would presume.

Temporary?

 Valkyrie wrote:
It seems that everyone appears to be assuming that we'll never be able to buy these again. Is it possible that they're only temporarily out of stock, perhaps making new moulds, or shifting priority towards other lines, and that we'll see them again in the future?

No. If they had plans to make more they'd label them as Temporarily Out of Stock, as they've done in the past. We're assuming that this our last chance to buy because, well, they're labelled as Last Chance to Buy

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
It seems that everyone appears to be assuming that we'll never be able to buy these again. Is it possible that they're only temporarily out of stock, perhaps making new moulds, or shifting priority towards other lines, and that we'll see them again in the future?

No, they've made new molds for things before and they just go out of stock for a while. None of this last chance to buy stuff. Last chance to buy is exactly as it sounds, one would presume.

I mean that's possible, in that maybe they're retooling the molds for the versions that didn't go Last Chance to Buy to include the stuff that did go...but Last Chance to Buy sounds pretty permanent.

Who knows, maybe there's plastic kits on the way!

This?



If you click on the link to the section you will see it

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Last-Chance-to-Buy-Warhammer-40000-FW

I'm disappointed that I missed out on the Raven Guard dread :(

You snooze you lose I guess.

Well there goes the LoW choice I was going to use for my renegades, wish I'd got that before all the torsos now...

Interesting that all the LCTB stuff is selling so quickly, it suggests that their stock is minimal. At a guess maybe less than 10 of each of the items that were on the LCTB pages this morning.

I'm glad I ordered some of those Tyranid rippers last month to mix in to my swarms. I also want a Skaven Broodlord with warlord on, might order that now just in case. It's really surprising how quickly a lot of this stuff has sold out, as well as how much stuff there cutting.

I don't get the benefit of GW cutting so many models from it's lines. But if all they wanted was a short term boost from panic buying to prop up the next financial statement its working, as this will be the second order I've made from them this month for that very reason. I have armies to finish damn it, and theres already enough OOP stuff I regularly search Ebay for.

Sigh. Logged on from work to buy a Grot Bomb. I didn't really want it now, but I always planned to get one.

I should've logged on from work. Assumed the BA icons wouldn't be too popular and that they'd have enough plain MKIV dreads for me to grab at least 1.

I do have an RG, a venerable MK IV and 2 plain MK IVs already, but I'd have liked the option to get more :(

The Ironclad is listed as unavailable, but I don't remember seeing it in the LCTB lost.

 General Kroll wrote:
I wonder what's prompted them to cut swathes of their lines.

If I had to guess, it was a matter of storage space for the molds.

With sculptors on staff the difference between producing a mold for new models and a new mold for old models is virtually nill.
Presumably they've decided that more people will buy the new models so that's the best use of their time.

Yup, sad to see Omega go. Though I really doubt I wouldve bought it anyway, since there are soooo many other cool LoW choices out there...

And speaking of stuff going out fast, now I feel kinda lucky I bought those heavy bombs. But since they are a legit weapon choice, I suspect them coming back with the kits that can take them. At an increased price, obviously.

Do we know when the next imperial armour is out? The Mechanicum / red scorpion / tau one?

Guessing this'll be out soon, this is from the next WD.

I was talking to the guys at the Forge World booth at Adepticon. The following conversation took place:

Kronk Kronkington III: "Where the feth is my Dorn, feth faces?!" (that might be a paraphrase)

Forge World Dude: "Sorry, I know he's being designed, but he isn't next."

KKIII: "Well who the feth is the next Primarch?' (Again, paraphrase)

FWD: "Leman Russ. He's awesome looking!"

KKIII: "Oh. That makes me sad. When will he be out?"

FWD: "Late June or early July. I would lean towards June, though."
'
KKIII: "Ok then."

So, Leman Russ is next Primarch. June/July 2016. Kronk's Breaking News Action Force Team. April 4, 2016.

Earlier than I expected for Russ. I think we knew he was next already though. His WIP from the weekender looked awesome so far though.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Earlier than I expected for Russ. I think we knew he was next already though. His WIP from the weekender looked awesome so far though.

Same here. I was thinking we had a while before book 7.

I think book 7 is due later this year but I was thinking September at the earliest. Although I guess Russ in June/July doesn't mean the book will be that early. And maybe that leaves time for another Primarch later in the year.

 ImAGeek wrote:
And maybe that leaves time for another Primarch later in the year.

Like Dorn!

Especially if he is being designed- that implies that he should be in the relatively near future.

Probably be Magnus

I should have had you drill them about the Warlord weapons as well. Your interrogation skills would make James Bond crack.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I should have had you drill them about the Warlord weapons as well. Your interrogation skills would make James Bond crack.

Didn't think about it. I have a Dorn track mind.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Earlier than I expected for Russ. I think we knew he was next already though. His WIP from the weekender looked awesome so far though.

Anyone got pics?

Yep

Looking good!

If they're rushing Russ for book 7, wouldn't Magnus be next and probably released before the book as well? I imagine they'll both be in the same book?

Nvs wrote:
If they're rushing Russ for book 7, wouldn't Magnus be next and probably released before the book as well? I imagine they'll both be in the same book?

They'll be in the same book but that doesn't really mean much, the Primarch models aren't really tied to the books.

Well that's a shame. I'm honestly not losing any sleep over a Magnus model, but I wouldn't mind an Ahriman and Amon. I'm also dying to see what kind of special unit they'll create for the Thousand Sons.

Nvs wrote:
Well that's a shame. I'm honestly not losing any sleep over a Magnus model, but I wouldn't mind an Ahriman and Amon. I'm also dying to see what kind of special unit they'll create for the Thousand Sons.

We were specifically talking about Primarchs, and not special characters. There may/probably will be special characters between now and June/July.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yep

Has a very Celtic/Viking feel to it. I'll declare it a winner for now.

I wouldn't have expected Russ to be clean shaven.

Looks cool so far. banded armor and the likes.

Still waiting on the dorn :/

 Zywus wrote:
I wouldn't have expected Russ to be clean shaven.

The image is from a WIP, that can still change.

I thought Russ was clean shaven in Prospero Burns, wasn't he? I remember him being pale, at least.

I think Russ certainly needs a beard! pale or not he's always had a beard in my (and my friends) minds eye since we started the hobby and I think he's the only chance for any of the primarch's to actually have facial hair of a decent sort!


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Oh Khan's manchu I suppose

Really? I've never thought of him as having a beard. Maybe a 'stache but nothing too huge. Sort of like a more grizzled Ragnar I suppose.
Epic sideburns though.
Basically Wolverine™ but tall.

Bummer the Sabre defense platforms are now gone.

We're not allowed to talk about it lest we risk the wrath of the mods, but y'all know what when it comes to FW nothing is ever really truly gone.


I will mess that Omega though.

I'm kind of surprised they cut most if not all the aircraft weapons. The loss of the MKIV dreadnoughts was a surprise as well.

The head they are using for the WIP of Russ is just there for scale, they hadn't even started on his head at that time. Thats what was said at the Weekender anyway.

Still waiting on that IA12 update for Necrons... would love to have a usable Pylon or Dark Harvest list.

Hey guys, quick question because of the "Last chance" thing...does anyone know what ever happened to the Blood Raven Transfer sheet Forge World used to sell? I have 1 that's pretty intact but it won't last forever, I'd like to stock up but I can't find it anywhere. Was it discontinued? If so, how recently? It was there in November, I looked it up because I was asking my mum to post my one to me instead of having to buy a brand new one because it had risen in price since I bought

Looks like FW is going all in with the 30k stuff.

That's not a bad thing as long as we get our IA updates in a timely (for them) manner.

Did they just add more stuff to the 'Last Chance to Buy' section? I don't remember seeing the 'Terminator Land Raider Doors' on Friday, for example.

 nerdfest09 wrote:
I think Russ certainly needs a beard! pale or not he's always had a beard in my (and my friends) minds eye since we started the hobby and I think he's the only chance for any of the primarch's to actually have facial hair of a decent sort!

He's got lots of hair. Hard to say on the beard, as there is a gorget from this breast plate in the way, but he looks clean shaven beard-wise..

Yeah, perhaps more than any other Primarch, Russ' overall look has been established for a long time.

The head on the Russ model is just a placeholder in the photo anyway as someone else said earlier.

Requizen wrote:Still waiting on that IA12 update for Necrons... would love to have a usable Pylon or Dark Harvest list.

You sir, you understand my pain

I'm glad that the TS are getting stuff soonish, they are my excuse for massed Volkite/Pyro Libby spam

I wonder if Russ as Primarch will come with the two Fenrisian Wolves, like the original model did...

 kronk wrote:

 nerdfest09 wrote:
I think Russ certainly needs a beard! pale or not he's always had a beard in my (and my friends) minds eye since we started the hobby and I think he's the only chance for any of the primarch's to actually have facial hair of a decent sort!

He's got lots of hair. Hard to say on the beard, as there is a gorget from this breast plate in the way, but he looks clean shaven beard-wise..

Hopefully the miniature looks a little less like Father Jack Hackett.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahah - Ex-fething-alted!!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 nerdfest09 wrote:
I think Russ certainly needs a beard! pale or not he's always had a beard in my (and my friends) minds eye since we started the hobby and I think he's the only chance for any of the primarch's to actually have facial hair of a decent sort!

Spoiler:

He's got lots of hair. Hard to say on the beard, as there is a gorget from this breast plate in the way, but he looks clean shaven beard-wise..

Hopefully the miniature looks a little less like Father Jack Hackett.

"ARSE! EMPEROR FECK IT!"

 Dysartes wrote:
I wonder if Russ as Primarch will come with the two Fenrisian Wolves, like the original model did...

If I recall from the info from the last event, he will. They're still part of the lore (Freki and Geri).

 ImAGeek wrote:

Nvs wrote:
If they're rushing Russ for book 7, wouldn't Magnus be next and probably released before the book as well? I imagine they'll both be in the same book?

They'll be in the same book but that doesn't really mean much, the Primarch models aren't really tied to the books.

It was pretty openly said at the Weekender that Magnus' model would follow Russ.

 Vhalyar wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Nvs wrote:
If they're rushing Russ for book 7, wouldn't Magnus be next and probably released before the book as well? I imagine they'll both be in the same book?

They'll be in the same book but that doesn't really mean much, the Primarch models aren't really tied to the books.

It was pretty openly said at the Weekender that Magnus' model would follow Russ.

Yeah you're right. I'd forgotten about that. But I meant more that he might not necessarily be before the book, they don't always bring Primarchs out before the book or even necessarily near the book, so he could still be after it.

Oh, that's true. I'm honestly a bit surprised that Russ would come out before the book actually, but good. Makes more room for Thousand Sons stuff

Meanwhile...

...whither Alpharius?

They've been on a bloodbowl kick this week in the Bulletins. Maybe sooner than we think?

They could just make Magnus part of Russ' scenic base. And then Thousand Sons players could use the base sans Russ as their primarch.

Any word on when the Lion El Johnson model will be released? Dying to add the Primarch to my +4000 points of DA,

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any word on when the Lion El Johnson model will be released? Dying to add the Primarch to my +4000 points of DA,

Considering the DA book is still out on the horizon somewhere... you probably have quite a wait.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any word on when the Lion El Johnson model will be released? Dying to add the Primarch to my +4000 points of DA,

Considering the DA book is still out on the horizon somewhere... you probably have quite a wait.

Which is a real shame, considering how popular the DA seem to be as far as newer players and the push from GW with the DV set. Forgeworld needs to hurry up and release him, I have cash ready to throw.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any word on when the Lion El Johnson model will be released? Dying to add the Primarch to my +4000 points of DA,

Considering the DA book is still out on the horizon somewhere... you probably have quite a wait.

Which is a real shame, considering how popular the DA seem to be as far as newer players and the push from GW with the DV set. Forgeworld needs to hurry up and release him, I have cash ready to throw.

I imagine he'll be out around the general time that Sanguinius is seen/mentioned/released.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the same book.

I would also bet money there's more BA players than DA players.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Any word on when the Lion El Johnson model will be released? Dying to add the Primarch to my +4000 points of DA,

We don't even know which book his rules will be in yet. I think we'll see at least Russ, Magnus, Alpharius and Dorn first.

Great! Now I have to visit FW website daily to see what else they've added to the "Last chance to buy" list. By the way, "Terminator Land Raider Doors" are already gone and instead they've got Chaos Titan Maniple bundle and Contemptor Dreadnought Talon bundles added.

...And WAoS has only two bundles: The Leaping Pox and Hashut's Wrath Artillery Train.

you mean you dont check it hourly?
Cause I do. I look and cry at what i can afford.

No, weekly tops. I try to have life and money.

Not sure I understand taking down the mega bundles. If someone is willing to buy 2 warhounds and a reaver at the same time, just go pull the models.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Not sure I understand taking down the mega bundles. If someone is willing to buy 2 warhounds and a reaver at the same time, just go pull the models.

The reason given in the past is there can only be a certain number bundles on the site at a time, so they have to retire some to allow for new ones.

 Breotan wrote:
Looks like FW is going all in with the 30k stuff.

40k is dead, 30k is king

What kind of terrible Database do they have running on the site that it can only handle that number of items? I'd understand if it was for keeping things easy to find, but they already aren't, so it's kind of silly.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
What kind of terrible Database do they have running on the site that it can only handle that number of items? I'd understand if it was for keeping things easy to find, but they already aren't, so it's kind of silly.

The rumour is that Tom Kirbys wife was/is a consultant for the company on IT related stuff.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
What kind of terrible Database do they have running on the site that it can only handle that number of items? I'd understand if it was for keeping things easy to find, but they already aren't, so it's kind of silly.

It's almost certainly not a database issue. Probably for business reasons rather than technical ones.

That Titan Man-Nipple bundle had some 161 quid savings ;O

Thousand Sons stuff:



£31.50



£34

edit.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
They could just make Magnus part of Russ' scenic base. And then Thousand Sons players could use the base sans Russ as their primarch.

Ultimately a base with two characters has a lot going for it.

Those are pretty!

Just stared a TS force and these will be perfect. Just waiting on my heads and bodies so I can finish painting my calth set.

I don't dislike the Egyptian theme of the Thousand Sons but the Scarab is a little too much...

Wasn't the scarab a symbol of a particular sect of the 1k sons too?

A little wierd that all heads seems to be identical. The other legions has some variations and/or a bare head.

 Zywus wrote:
A little wierd that all heads seems to be identical. The other legions has some variations and/or a bare head.

The Thousand Sons already have a head set with different ones, this is an extra one. I prefer these to the other ones.

I really like the Contemptor too.

Nice, but I prefer MKIII. Where is my MKIII?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
A little wierd that all heads seems to be identical. The other legions has some variations and/or a bare head.

The Thousand Sons already have a head set with different ones, this is an extra one. I prefer these to the other ones.

I really like the Contemptor too.

Ah, you're correct. I missed these

 kronk wrote:
Nice, but I prefer MKIII. Where is my MKIII?

Wait a year im sure another BoC box will be out with mark3-2 armors.

Hoping for something like the Iron cage or something.

 Desubot wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Nice, but I prefer MKIII. Where is my MKIII?

Wait a year im sure another BoC box will be out with mark3-2 armors.

Hoping for something like the Iron cage or something.

Don't make me beg.

I love the Thousand Sons in the fluff, but have never really been pleased with GW or Forgeworld's representation of them in models.

It is kind of heartbreaking. I feel I should like them, but I just don't.

 Desubot wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Nice, but I prefer MKIII. Where is my MKIII?

Wait a year im sure another BoC box will be out with mark3-2 armors.

Hoping for something like the Iron cage or something.

I've heard MKIII, as well. Here's hoping! I already own 2000 points of gak from FW. If I do another army, a BaC style box set with MKIII would be nice!

I noticed IA4 is no longer available, is this getting reworked or what?

Reworked again?

 BrookM wrote:
Reworked again?

Fething well hope not. Unless it's to drop Hierodules to 250 points with a big note reading 'WE'RE SORRY. WE HAD NO IDEA WRAITHKNIGHTS WOULD EXIST AS THEY DO NOW.'

I'd rather see them rework Imperial Armour 8, we could do with an up to date Elysian army list.

I'm going to have to try that metallic red on my eventual Sarum Mechanicum allies for my WE.

 Imateria wrote:
I noticed IA4 is no longer available, is this getting reworked or what?

Will it even matter?

 BrookM wrote:
I'd rather see them rework Imperial Armour 8, we could do with an up to date Elysian army list.

IA3 2nd edition is more up-to-date (2013). It predates the Astra Militarum codex, so it's still a little out of date.

Nnnnnope, not up to date any more. Based on previous codex.

Dread is nice, but whoever painted those infantry was... rushed. At best lol.

It's weird, I can't decide if they went too far with the egyptian stuff or not far enough, either way, I have to say these area a bit of a miss for me. To me, they had to all look way more librarian'y, more severin loth than all the other previous legions. They are definitely one of the outliers for me in terms of shared design with more 'standard' legions.

I like the metallic red scheme though, FW are doing great things with the Alpha legion color mod too.

So far all of the 1k Sons stuff looks terrible to me, like something from a 3rd party company that is trying to get close to them, but not close enough that GW can blast them. Even the contemptor looks like a fan made sculpt. Maybe the unique units and characters will prove to be more impressive.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
So far all of the 1k Sons stuff looks terrible to me, like something from a 3rd party company that is trying to get close to them, but not close enough that GW can blast them. Even the contemptor looks like a fan made sculpt. Maybe the unique units and characters will prove to be more impressive.

I agree - the comparison to the sculpted detail on the Alpha Legion contemptor is particularly stark. the sculpted chest logo thing here looks ok, but not really great FW quality that they are capable of.

-C6

The TS contemptor looks like it was sculpted for plastic release rather than resin.