casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Again though, those arms are too modern for Heresy-era armour.

That is my problem with them. I don't want Mk VII arms on my Mk III bodies. The new UM shields have arms that will work for both Mk III and Mk IV.

Is it really that hard to covert the arms? I would just clip the arms off at the shoulder and glue on a suitable Heresy-Era arm to fit. I know its work, but that goes with the hobby usually. Most of the Mk7 armor arm would be obscured enough as to not matter behind the shield and under the shoulder pad anyhow.

And that really only applies for non-Mk3 armor, because that kit exists and is actually not that much more expensive than the new Ultramarines upgrade kit and it comes with the Marines too!

If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

You answered your own question... those are Phalanx warder upgrades

The arms don't worry me so much (though half of FWs profit fomes from people wanting small variations on their toy soldiers). But the Um symbol on both shield and sword is imo a missed opportunity. I'm happy for the Um players among us, but this is a release that could have easily been more generic (a few roman style swords would fit imo in any legion).

That said - it's just an opinion and certainly nothing to argue about...

Ah, the Boarding upgrade set with older Mks conversation, I think this sprung up a few pages back. Didn't have a problem myself, the shield covers all the differences on the forearm of the arm, a MkIII shoulder pad covers the differences on the arm. So all you can see is a portion of the elbow pad which doesnt match. The degree you can see varies on the arm. The MkIII pads touch the shield edges when used on those arms.

The shooting arm is obviously different, but the standard arms fit well enough.

MkVII is also very close to MkV and pretty much identical to MKVI, so the only noticeable differences are largely covered by the pad. MkIV has a slightly different elbow piece, so is in the same camp as MkIII.

I would appreciate a re-tooled set with generic shields that are not attached to the arms, and a set of shield-arms for each armour Mk, but I don't think it is necessary.

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

Warder shields are nice. For Phalanx Warders. When funds allow, I will probably be getting a set or two. But for the two squads of MANDATORY Troops, I would rather have regular boarding shields, either blank or with IF regalia on them.

You know, some of us with skitarii/admech stuff in 40k would like access to vehicles, and sweet 30k robots. What the feth is with the delay on the new imperial armor book. It was teased 3 YEARS AGO.

 Orock wrote:
You know, some of us with skitarii/admech stuff in 40k would like access to vehicles, and sweet 30k robots. What the feth is with the delay on the new imperial armor book. It was teased 3 YEARS AGO.

It's almost done, it's been delayed as they got everyone to help finish Inferno. It'll be out sometime after February.

Is it strange that the Ultramarine Breacher Siege Squad looks more like Alpha Legion then they do Ultramarines?

WOuld make a little sense as to why the press release got typo'd so badly they misspelt every single word.

 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Is it strange that the Ultramarine Breacher Siege Squad looks more like Alpha Legion then they do Ultramarines?

WOuld make a little sense as to why the press release got typo'd so badly they misspelt every single word.

To be fair, they could be Alpha Legion, and we’d never know until it’s too late.

The typos are a little comical. Someone needs to change out the grots in the webserver.

 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Is it strange that the Ultramarine Breacher Siege Squad looks more like Alpha Legion then they do Ultramarines?

WOuld make a little sense as to why the press release got typo'd so badly they misspelt every single word.

The typo's might hide a message to Alpha legion operatives.

Looks like the fantastic Exalted Bloodthirster will be making a return to both universes.

Is there any 40k rules for the Deredeo lascannon upgrades or is it 30k exclusive?

what primarch will they do next?

Magnus. After that, most likely Sanguinius, depending on what's in Book 8.

And Dorn sometime after Ollanius Pius.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Looks like the fantastic Exalted Bloodthirster will be making a return to both universes.

Seems like FW's "very soon" is at least 4 weeks :(

It would be hilarious if they re-release the Bloodthirster before the Porphyrion.

 BrookM wrote:
It would be hilarious if they re-release the Bloodthirster before the Porphyrion.

Nooooooooooooo!!!

Exalted Bloodthirster?

Probably because he's quite a big melon-fether.

 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Is it strange that the Ultramarine Breacher Siege Squad looks more like Alpha Legion then they do Ultramarines?

WOuld make a little sense as to why the press release got typo'd so badly they misspelt every single word.

That is the first thing I thought also...humm that almost looks more like the AL teal/greenishy blue then the dark Legion era Ultramarine blue. I like the fact the UM's are the old school dark blue in the Heresy Era, it's like the wolves being the dark grey and not the light blue grey they are in 40k.


As for the spelling typos on FW's page no self respecting alpha legionnaire would make basic grammatical errors like that, they would of never made it past pre legion screening or if they did somehow slip in they would of had a 'training accident'


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

Warder shields are nice. For Phalanx Warders. When funds allow, I will probably be getting a set or two. But for the two squads of MANDATORY Troops, I would rather have regular boarding shields, either blank or with IF regalia on them.

IF breacher shields would be a epic win with a huge side of awesome sauce

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 reds8n wrote:
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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
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Now what?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
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Now what?

He wants his decals already . Don't tell him I hacked their computer system and deleted the file though

 Theophony wrote:

He wants his decals already . Don't tell him I hacked their computer system and deleted the file though

^ This.

Also, YOU MONSTER!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

He wants his decals already . Don't tell him I hacked their computer system and deleted the file though

^ This.

Also, YOU MONSTER!

To be fair I did save a copy of the file and will hold it ransome until a Warlord Titan is delivered to my home.

I can't decide if I want those decals to come out so Em can die happy, or if I want them to never come out so he lives in torment for thousands of years. I think the latter. Though if FW could tease them again, then still not put them out, just to keep hopes up, that would be fantastic.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I can't decide if I want those decals to come out so Em can die happy, or if I want them to never come out so he lives in torment for thousands of years. I think the latter. Though if FW could tease them again, then still not put them out, just to keep hopes up, that would be fantastic.

Well if you deliver the warlord to me then I can make sure you get your wish

 Theophony wrote:

New spellings for trademark reasons.

I think they're safe at least with their Primarch's name on that front.

has there been any info on that Khorne Dragon by Trish?

i must have 1 ...

 Theophony wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I can't decide if I want those decals to come out so Em can die happy, or if I want them to never come out so he lives in torment for thousands of years. I think the latter. Though if FW could tease them again, then still not put them out, just to keep hopes up, that would be fantastic.

Well if you deliver the warlord to me then I can make sure you get your wish

Git yer own Warlord!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm sure they're going to release breacher shields for more legions, I would bet Imperial Fists among them. Why wouldn't they?

It would have been a lot better if they released a generic shield set first. Then EVERYONE is happy rather than 1/18 of the people.

What about using the rather excellent Phalanx Warder sets as the basis of your MKIV IF breachers. Sure the shields are a different shape, but who says breachers all need to carry square riot shields?

And the MKIII are both generic, and perfect for Iron Warrior breachers. I think they're perfect for IF as well.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Again though, those arms are too modern for Heresy-era armour.

That is my problem with them. I don't want Mk VII arms on my Mk III bodies. The new UM shields have arms that will work for both Mk III and Mk IV.

These are the generic ones that work with MKIII.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad


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 Mymearan wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

You answered your own question... those are Phalanx warder upgrades

...and we can't use any parts of any kit for anything beyond its official designation!

 Azazelx wrote:

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Again though, those arms are too modern for Heresy-era armour.

That is my problem with them. I don't want Mk VII arms on my Mk III bodies. The new UM shields have arms that will work for both Mk III and Mk IV.

These are the generic ones that work with MKIII.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad


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 Mymearan wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

You answered your own question... those are Phalanx warder upgrades

...and we can't use any parts of any kit for anything beyond its official designation!

Well the problem as I see it is if you want to use both Breachers and Phalanx Warders, you'd want to differentiate them more.

Well the problem as I see it is if you want to use both Breachers and Phalanx Warders, you'd want to differentiate them more.

Precisely. I even made that point. In this thread. And it's fine. I have shields from Shapeways. And if FW releases new Imperial Fists shields, I will probably just remove the Shapeways shields and attach the new ones.

Regarding generic breachers in particular, that's exactly the sort of release I'd expect to see in plastic at some point – mass-produced and relatively undetailed shields lend themselves to GW's strengths, whereas the smaller runs of highly-detailed stuff works better for FW's modus operandi.

Personally, I'm glad they've kept that boutiquey, enthusiasm-led approach that means that sometimes it's a very specific, or outré item that's released over a generic one.

Certainly it can be frustrating if you want something specific, but as Azazelx points out, it's hardly taxing to kitbash or use a different paint scheme to demarcate things. The onus is on you to make detailed changes if you want something very specific. If you want to differentiate Phalanx Warders and Breachers, you could use the Mark VII shields and sculpt on/trim away the parts you want/don't want. If you're not confident with conversion, then a different paint scheme or detail would work. In any case, the Phalanx Warder models are very different even without the shields, so unless you're just using the shields, this shouldn't be an issue, should it?

To put that into context:

It would have been a lot better if they released a generic shield set first. Then EVERYONE is happy rather than 1/18 of the people.

This is true to an extent, but on the other hand, FW have already released kits to do generic breachers – the Mark VII set. If they'd released a 'Legion Breacher conversion kit', you'd have the Ultramarine players pining after gladius bits, and likely more people wondering why FW are releasing two such similar kits.

Can we move past the shield discussion? There are things you can use, and not everyone wants to use those things for various valid reasons. We've had the same "Use these" posts for the last several pages, as if those looking to build breachers aren't acutely aware of those options at this point.

Personally i just want Prospero out the way so we can get to the best 2 legions .... the angels

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Can we move past the shield discussion? There are things you can use, and not everyone wants to use those things for various valid reasons. We've had the same "Use these" posts for the last several pages, as if those looking to build breachers aren't acutely aware of those options at this point.

Option C is loading a bunch of ultramarines breaching shields into my torpedo tubes and firing them at Casval, along with copies of a book my primarch has written...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion



£320

Rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/Acastus-Knight-Porpyhrion.pdf


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That price though.. more than a Warhound body. This is way beyond my generous Christmas budget.

No 40k proper rules, well played.

Awesome but would need 40K rules before I buy one.

'Tis beauty!

I think it's great.

Looks awesome, but i cannot take it as LoW option for my Deathguard. :(

It's great, it's beautiful, it's lovely!

It has no 40k rules. Welp, that sucks.

I guess it's 40k rules are being held until they release the new IA book.
Just gotta get my things sorted and I'm definitely buying this either today or tomorrow.

I would buy it instantly if it had 40k support, or if we could get confirmation that it's coming in the future. I have asked Forge World, hopefully I can get an answer.

EDIT: Got some confirmation on this matter. It's not a 100% confirmation I would say, but it's something!

You could always close the missile launcher and use it as a turbolaser Warhound titan, it sure seems to be big enough for that! Beautiful model though, even if it won't be seeing the table much.

FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

They don't want you taking more than one...

 aka_mythos wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

They don't want you taking more than one...

They definitely ensured that with it's unit price! - now a ~£280 ordinatus looks like a good price for filling the LoW slot in my Ordo Reductor army.

Seriously tempted to do that given how much i was looking forward to finishing my household with the new knight.

I can confirm from Forge Worlds Facebook page that the Porphyrion will indeed get rules for 40k, and soon at that!

Rejoice.

but may not be chosen for those of the rank of Scion Aspirant or Scion Uhlan.

DAMMIT! They must have seen my posts about doing exactly that!

Also, HELIOS! That is outstanding to see. And the price is not awful for it, either. Now to shoehorn this big sucker into my Questoris army and keep waiting for my decals.

So, this thing lacks Strength D, which is no big deal I guess.

It does however drop 4, S10 AP2 large blasts a turn and they are twin linked.
Plus a weak massive blast.

At its cost it may be worth throwing on the 2 lascannon upgrades too just to be sure.

All in all its not bad and I need one.
I think it's also one of the most expensive price to points LOW choices too lol.
IMO though it looks worth it to me.

Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

40k one just needs more D

Nice Knight, beautiful model, definitely not getting one. The weapon load-outs seem a bit underwhelming to me, but I should remind myself that this is still a Knight variant and not a Titan.

I'd say if the rules will stay the way they are for 40k this thing will be mildly OP. Packing so much firepower and having improved armor, HP and BS and being only slightly more expensive than kitted-out Crusader is kinda ridiculous, but nothing close to outright insanity like peltasts for example.
Oh well, at least this thing is quite straightforward - no D-blasts, no flare shields, no fancy special rules other than standart ones. Plus it is I3 so other knights will have more or less decent chances of taking it down with D-slaps in melee.
Still looks like gothic Humpty Dumpty tho.

I bought one. Had to dig deep, but I bought one. That's my hobby funds sorted for the next few months.

 BrookM wrote:
I bought one. Had to dig deep, but I bought one. That's my hobby funds sorted for the next few months.

Worth it. SO worth it. You now have one of the coolest large-scale models in GW/FW history.

Fair play BrookM, I certainly would if I could. And you can document it all in your P and M blog.

Is there any reason why FW do not picture the individual components, just so that potential purchases can get an idea of what the construction will involve?

It was beyond my budget at first, but damn it (thanks mum! ), I've been waiting on it to drop for months now!

Component shots would be nice yes, I'd love to know if the pilot hatch is a separate piece or not.

And yes, it would be a good way to kickstart my plog again, maybe this will be the cure to the hobby blues and general depression: a great big resin paperweight.

You know it makes sense as it'll look awesome on the table. I had to order one as well, I'd better spend the next two weeks painting to make up for it.

I really thought this wouldn't come out till the New Year open day, I wonder what they will have instead?

Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

 Looky Likey wrote:
You know it makes sense as it'll look awesome on the table. I had to order one as well, I'd better spend the next two weeks painting to make up for it.

I really thought this wouldn't come out till the New Year open day, I wonder what they will have instead?

Same here, but I'm quite surprised that it's up for sale straight away, no pre-order period or anything either.

 ultimentra wrote:
Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

A single Crisis Suit with a pair of fusion blasters can torch it, no problem at all.

Huh, I must be out of the loop . 4 x S10 AP2 large blast, another 7" blast (with the option to take as AA instead), and a few autocannons upgradeable to lascannons seems kinda nuts on a front armor 14 with 8 HP and 4+ invulnerable platform! Maybe not broken, but who wants that anyway?

I mean, sure models will get cover saves, and melta works against it (but does against all Mechanicum right?). I'm just not sure what else you could want in a Knight that is fieldable in 2000 point games of 30k! The 40k rules aren't out yet, but the whole ruleset is due for an update this year anyway so I wouldn't fret about that when what you have for 30k is pretty darn scary

 ultimentra wrote:
Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

It was made for 30k, so that makes sense. Lamenting its 40k usefulness (or lack thereof) amuses me, because I can't wait to throw this beast in my Questoris army. As a Seneschal, it is going to be BS6 with a 3+ Ion Shield that tosses gross firepower around the table and helps mitigate my weakness to aircraft with the Helios. Yes, please!

For 40k I would rather have a turbo laser warhound.

I'll start saving now, that way when they come out with another couple variants of this Knight, I can take my pick. I hope there is a Mechanicum variant with quad singularity cannons...


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 Zywus wrote:
Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

FW tries to present a narrative where they present some units as becoming venerated, poorly maintained, ubiquitous, or rarer... and they tweek their rules to represent this narrative.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'll start saving now, that way when they come out with another couple variants of this Knight, I can take my pick. I hope there is a Mechanicum variant with quad singularity cannons...


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 Zywus wrote:
Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

FW tries to present a narrative where they present some units as becoming venerated, poorly maintained, ubiquitous, or rarer... and they tweek their rules to represent this narrative.

I spoke to a guy at Forgeworld on this at Essen Spiel, and he said that because the meta is so different, points cost does not work the same. He recommended me not play 30k Mechanicum in 40k because they were balanced against a meta of power armoured cheese (not his words).

Rejoice 40k players! Rules are coming for us too!

Yes, this has been posted several times in the thread already now, thank you.

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

What's an Irad-Cleanser?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
What's an Irad-Cleanser?

Template S2 AP5 Assault 1 Fleshbane, Rad-Phage*

*Takes one or more damage and doesn't die, is at -1T for rest of game.

Seems undercosted for 30k, but so is the warhound IMO.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.

Sadly, it doesn't. you can give it a household rank when you use it in a questoris knight army, but it is a LoW choice for both factions.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW?

The Noble Houses of the Knights Questoris needed one?

Well, they can take it with a Questoris Rank.

It is a LoW so AdMech can take it.

Does that mean it moves from the LoW spot or does it just get the rank bonuses and stays as a LoW?

It goes to whatever slot corresponds to the rank. Such as my Seneschal will by an HQ, or if he is an Arbalester, he goes to Heavy.

Sadly, it doesn't. you can give it a household rank when you use it in a questoris knight army, but it is a LoW choice for both factions.

That isn't how that works. You can take a LoW with the Questoris army - this or a Titan. If you buy it a Household Rank, it will go into whatever slot it corresponds with. That is how the ranks work.

Example:
"FAST ATTACK RANKS
Nobles of the following ranks are Fast Attack choices for the Questoris Knight Crusade army."

So, if I make my Acastus a Scion Dolorous, he becomes a Fast Attack choice.

so pretty.

Nah man, you pick a pilot with a rank and then choose a chassis and upgrades to the points limit required - this chassis screws with that because it requires you select it as a LoW and then you get to select a rank - the way i see it, it is what it was first - a LoW choice.

Ive sent an email to FW about it, but we're in houserule territory whether we like it or not.

Yeah, Knights in general are Lords of War. Knights in a Questoris household list gain the Household Rank rule which lets them buy a Rank which in turn turns them into whatever Role the Rank specifies.
Either buying the Porphyrion a Rank makes it a Household member and turns it into a Troop choice or whatever, or the entire Household list doesn't work at all.

Personally I'm playing it safe and just going with it using up a LoW slot plus any other slot because of the rank purchased, at least until it is cleared up by FW.

This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

 BrookM wrote:
Personally I'm playing it safe and just going with it using up a LoW slot plus any other slot because of the rank purchased, at least until it is cleared up by FW.

This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

I thought about Arbalester, but... why? Skyfire doesn't help with the Blasts, it has the Helios option anyhow, and it doesn't really need Tank Hunter, right? I am going Seneschal. It reflects the ancient, rare provenance of the machine itself and bumps it to BS6 (no scatter!) and a 3++ on AV14 8HP. I expect it to sit back and just put down armor and flyers, while my Wardens and Styrix blast up troops.


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 SirDonlad wrote:
Nah man, you pick a pilot with a rank and then choose a chassis and upgrades to the points limit required - this chassis screws with that because it requires you select it as a LoW and then you get to select a rank - the way i see it, it is what it was first - a LoW choice.

Ive sent an email to FW about it, but we're in houserule territory whether we like it or not.

"This means that, in effect, any of the different Knight armour types can be taken in any role, but the skills and abilities of the nobles who pilot them determine their position in the line of battle." p98, Crusade Imperialis Book

Pick a rank, assign a Knight, it becomes the FOC slot associated.

However, it can also be taken as a Lord of War (as the Questoris Knight army has that slot), instead of using a Legio Titanicus option. That would preclude the Knightly ranks, as there aren't any for that slot.

Curious to see how FW clarifies, but it seems pretty straight forward to me.

The converter in me is looking at an unbuilt Dreamforge Leviathan and hindering how hard it would be to convert one on the cheap.

 cuda1179 wrote:
The converter in me is looking at an unbuilt Dreamforge Leviathan and hindering how hard it would be to convert one on the cheap.

This was my initial plan, but I'd have to order in a new set of arms and those are expensive as hell to get around here.

Let take the rules discussion to the rules discussion section, not the news and rumors section.

Thank goodness they finally released, just in time for the holiday, the long-awaited Morit...

Oh. That sucks :(

Here's hoping!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/16/your-knight-before-christmas/

The Acastus Knight Porphyrion is available to order and is shipping right now.

This guy is a weapons platform to rival a titan, sporting the deadliest Knight-portable arsenal we’ve ever seen. The kit itself is HUGE, the resin he is composed of weighing in at over 60% more than the other knights in the Forge World household.

Because we know a lot of folks out there would love to get this guy for Christmas, our casters have been working round the clock to make enough of these that we can start shipping without a pre-order window, so if you order the big-guy now, we’ll do out absolute best to get it out to you by the 24th.

Full details on local shipping dates for every territory can be found HERE.

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

No, because my opponents don't like it when I play a Knight or more than four tanks in a Horus Heresy army.

 BrookM wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

No, because my opponents don't like it when I play a Knight or more than four tanks in a Horus Heresy army.

Lame! Knights are not even that good in 30k! So much melta, haywire and stuff.

 ultimentra wrote:
Honestly S10 AP2 large blast Ordnance 2 is not great for those points. Blasts can scatter, no ignores cover, this thing will really only be useful for 30k. 40k armies will take it down like any other big nasty, with grav, gauss, melta, haywire, etc. Not ignoring cover? Blasts aren't king anymore, very low amount of wounds getting caused unless you shoot it into a horde.

Because anything not a Wraithknight is garbage right?

Dumb question does FW have a SM shotgun upgrade? seems like I saw one but I can't find it on their site.
Also as much as I want that knight he is in titan cost territory and I may just go for the warhound. Sweet Knight though

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Dumb question does FW have a SM shotgun upgrade? seems like I saw one but I can't find it on their site.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Space-Marine-Legion-Deliverance-Pattern-Shotguns

Might as well get a Warhound for that kind of money, jesus FW....

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Might as well get a Warhound for that kind of money, jesus FW....

I don't see what the big deal is, the model is about the same size as the Warhound so of course it's going to cost that much. This is NOT a normal knight.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

No, because my opponents don't like it when I play a Knight or more than four tanks in a Horus Heresy army.

Lame! Knights are not even that good in 30k! So much melta, haywire and stuff.

Some of us still enjoy playing 40K, not 28mm Epic.

Knights, superheavies etc, they're lovely models, but they should have stayed in Apocalypse so everyone knew where they stood, rather than adding another round of UN negotiations before a game.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

No, because my opponents don't like it when I play a Knight or more than four tanks in a Horus Heresy army.

Lame! Knights are not even that good in 30k! So much melta, haywire and stuff.

Some of us still enjoy playing 40K, not 28mm Epic.

Knights, superheavies etc, they're lovely models, but they should have stayed in Apocalypse so everyone knew where they stood, rather than adding another round of UN negotiations before a game.

And if it's a legal army and I paid money for it, built it, and painted it, there shouldn't be negotiations. People should enjoy their hobby without others telling them what is or isn't acceptable, imo.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And if it's a legal army and I paid money for it, built it, and painted it, there shouldn't be negotiations. People should enjoy their hobby without others telling them what is or isn't acceptable, imo.

"You can't tell me what is or isn't acceptable, but I'm going to tell you to accept my army!"

 Blacksails wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And if it's a legal army and I paid money for it, built it, and painted it, there shouldn't be negotiations. People should enjoy their hobby without others telling them what is or isn't acceptable, imo.

"You can't tell me what is or isn't acceptable, but I'm going to tell you to accept my army!"

This, sooooo much this. I love how people think that what they find fun is the ONLY thing that matters in a two-person game.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And if it's a legal army and I paid money for it, built it, and painted it, there shouldn't be negotiations. People should enjoy their hobby without others telling them what is or isn't acceptable, imo.

You do see the irony in that statement I hope...

Valete,

JohnS

I don't think the irony will be recognized.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
This is going to make for a sick Arbalester though, in the rare games my opponents will allow me to field it.

"Allow", BrookM? Is this just because the rules are experimental?

No, because my opponents don't like it when I play a Knight or more than four tanks in a Horus Heresy army.

Lame! Knights are not even that good in 30k! So much melta, haywire and stuff.

Some of us still enjoy playing 40K, not 28mm Epic.

Knights, superheavies etc, they're lovely models, but they should have stayed in Apocalypse so everyone knew where they stood, rather than adding another round of UN negotiations before a game.

Yeah, because Knights are super broken that they actually require negotiations.

Do you hear yourself?

This is the "Forge World News and Rumour Thread" - please take the 'debate' over various side issues to a separate thread.

I want to see this thing next to the Tau KX139 Ta’unar Supremacy Armour.

They're going to try and put it alongside a Warhound first.

Also, from the FB post:

The full kit weighs well over over 1.6kg.
That's almost as much as a Warhound Titan!
He seriously is massive.

Also, also:

He's shipping now!

Mine is meant to arrive by the end of today, I'm planning on building him tonight so I should be able to post a picture with him next to my Warhounds and Reaver if people want to see a size comparison?

I'd love to see a size comparison LL! Thanks for offering!

 Looky Likey wrote:
Mine is meant to arrive by the end of today

Mine has just arrived, but the box is worryingly light. Waiting until lunch break to open it and check contents...

Mine is still "Pending" on the FW site.

Too much to check over lunch - 70+ parts.
Largest single piece I spotted was the top carapace (and there is a pilot's chair).

There are chairs in all of the Cerastus knights, I stuck skeletons in mine as mine are Chaos, but you can get this: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Knight-Scion-Seated

And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

 Looky Likey wrote:
There are chairs in all of the Cerastus knights, I stuck skeletons in mine as mine are Chaos, but you can get this: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Knight-Scion-Seated

Someone asked (as it's not in any of the photos in the store)


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 BrookM wrote:
And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

They should, but sometimes the store only selects 'Standard' (but you can change it to Express for free). Did it say Standard at check-out? Either way, call them quickly - it might not have left yet!

beast_gts wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
There are chairs in all of the Cerastus knights, I stuck skeletons in mine as mine are Chaos, but you can get this: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Knight-Scion-Seated

Someone asked (as it's not in any of the photos in the store)


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 BrookM wrote:
And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

They should, but sometimes the store only selects 'Standard' (but you can change it to Express for free). Did it say Standard at check-out? Either way, call them quickly - it might not have left yet!

Ah cool, didn't realise.

I had to manually edit my shipping as well to get it to express.

My UPS man doesn't normally show up till about 5pm around Christmas, the fact that I know that and the only thing he delivers for me is FW stuff, means I order way to much stuff.

Well great, that also explains why I couldn't use a credit card instead of Paypal, they save the defaults and hide the option to change them.. :(


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Just gave them a call, it would appear that the warehouse automatically upgrades shipping on large orders to UPS. I should be getting a T&T number tomorrow, but it's left their building half an hour ago, so here's hoping it arriving before Christmas just yet.

Finally finished the rough build, obviously I've not put the shielding on as it needs painting seperate. You can see its about an inch shorter than my Warhound, if the Warhound stood straight.

Nice kit, but needs a lot of pinning due to the weight.

Thanks for sharing!

And oh man, those feet do not look sturdy at all!

 Looky Likey wrote:
Nice kit, but needs a lot of pinning due to the weight.

I was debating not pinning to get it built quicker - but looking at yours I agree it needs it! Are you going to base it?

 BrookM wrote:
Thanks for sharing!

And oh man, those feet do not look sturdy at all!

Yup, the toes need brass rods as they are load bearing on a tiny lip. I'm going to base it and re-enforce the central part of the foot where you can't see it. It didn't come with a base :/

How are the hip joints? Is it the same crap like on GWs Knights, or can you articulate the joint freely, like Cerastus chassis?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Thanks for sharing!

And oh man, those feet do not look sturdy at all!

Yup, the toes need brass rods as they are load bearing on a tiny lip. I'm going to base it and re-enforce the central part of the foot where you can't see it. It didn't come with a base :/

Does it fit onto the same size base as regular Knights, or are those way too small?

edit.

Also, how easily is it to swap out the autocannons for lascannons?

 CragHack wrote:
How are the hip joints? Is it the same crap like on GWs Knights, or can you articulate the joint freely, like Cerastus chassis?

just like the Cerastus, fully articulated ball and hip joint.


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 BrookM wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Thanks for sharing!

And oh man, those feet do not look sturdy at all!

Yup, the toes need brass rods as they are load bearing on a tiny lip. I'm going to base it and re-enforce the central part of the foot where you can't see it. It didn't come with a base :/

Does it fit onto the same size base as regular Knights, or are those way too small?

edit.

Also, how easily is it to swap out the autocannons for lascannons?

it'd fit the feet but it would be a little bit small I think. I'm going with custom cut hardboard. Very easy if you put in a bit of blue tack, magnets would be a pain as it's a deep socket.

Hey, so yeah I just signed up here just because the question has been burning a hole in my stomach for quite some time now lol

Does it have a modeled interior/cockpit like the Cerastus Knights from FW? I really liked those

Why are you all so excited about this knight ? I don't recall the same excitement for the others knight ?

Because it looks so much awesome. I guess people were already tired of 4 in a row Cerastus Knights and then this...monstrous thing

I also like its rules. It costs like 3 Demolishers, but should outperform them a bazillion times just in 1 shooting phase

I still think it's too big.

If this thing gets 40k rules (and it most certainly will) then some of the knight formations in the Imperial Knights codex will make this thing sick. It could be ballistic skill 6 or 7, with a 3+ invulnerable save. Pair it with a trio of knight Wardens and you will never need to leave the board edge.

 Atomschlumpf wrote:
Hey, so yeah I just signed up here just because the question has been burning a hole in my stomach for quite some time now lol

Does it have a modeled interior/cockpit like the Cerastus Knights from FW? I really liked those

Yes it does but it doesn't fully fill the interior of the chassis unlike the Cerastus knights where the cockpit fills the interior of the chassis. I think that you are meant to glue down the outer shell and leave open the hatch to see the cockpit.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I still think it's too big.

It really is. All the FW Knights are really, but it's even more obvious on this one because it's also very bulky. There was a happy medium between "we don't think this will look good in Adeptus Titanicus, MOAR SIZE!" and the original version that was scaled to the GW plastic Knight.

It just weirds me out that they're making Knights as large as Titans, s'not right.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I still think it's too big.

It really is. All the FW Knights are really, but it's even more obvious on this one because it's also very bulky. There was a happy medium between "we don't think this will look good in Adeptus Titanicus, MOAR SIZE!" and the original version that was scaled to the GW plastic Knight.

It just weirds me out that they're making Knights as large as Titans, s'not right.

It is only about as big as the absolute smallest Titan and this is the absolute largest Knight. That kinda makes sense to me, as there would be a cut-off, right?

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Atomschlumpf wrote:
Hey, so yeah I just signed up here just because the question has been burning a hole in my stomach for quite some time now lol

Does it have a modeled interior/cockpit like the Cerastus Knights from FW? I really liked those

Yes it does but it doesn't fully fill the interior of the chassis unlike the Cerastus knights where the cockpit fills the interior of the chassis. I think that you are meant to glue down the outer shell and leave open the hatch to see the cockpit.

Awesome! Is it the same cockpit as with the Cerastus Knights or did he get a cool one for himself?


As for the size, the Knight is still a little bit smaller than the Warhound if you look closely. And I also heard the Warhounds from FW are a tad downscaled from what they should be in size, to make them easier to produce. Vehicle scale in 40k is all over the place anyway. You'd never have room for the cannon and a loader to operate it in a Leman Russ for example

The height of the Cerastus knight is justified in size since the vast majority of its height comes from its legs which are necessary for its greater stride and quicker movement. Even if the Porphyrion is justified in its volume to accommodate armor and the generators for weapons it doesn't have to be so tall.

 Atomschlumpf wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Atomschlumpf wrote:
Hey, so yeah I just signed up here just because the question has been burning a hole in my stomach for quite some time now lol

Does it have a modeled interior/cockpit like the Cerastus Knights from FW? I really liked those

Yes it does but it doesn't fully fill the interior of the chassis unlike the Cerastus knights where the cockpit fills the interior of the chassis. I think that you are meant to glue down the outer shell and leave open the hatch to see the cockpit.

Awesome! Is it the same cockpit as with the Cerastus Knights or did he get a cool one for himself?


As for the size, the Knight is still a little bit smaller than the Warhound if you look closely. And I also heard the Warhounds from FW are a tad downscaled from what they should be in size, to make them easier to produce. Vehicle scale in 40k is all over the place anyway. You'd never have room for the cannon and a loader to operate it in a Leman Russ for example

it's the same one.

I like it, but I do think it is a bit too big, about the same height as a Cerastus or slightly shorter (but, of course, much bulkier) may have been better, IMHO.

After getting in touch with FW yesterday I got a T&T number today, my kit will be coming in tomorrow evening, right in time for Christmas.

FW's original intent for the Porphyrion was a Knight that was in between a Cerastus chassis and a Paladin in size... they upsized it because of how it looked for their Adeptus Titancus game... I still think there should be an intermediate class of Knight. Visually something in between is needed while something pushing the outer edge of acceptable Knight size is pretty superfluous.

What I'd like to see is a "lite Knight". Something that is smaller than a Paladin, but faster, and potentially coming in squads of 2. 5 structure points, front armor 12, two-shot Icarus Lascannon and a punisher cannon. Give it Scout?

You mean Contemptors and the like?


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From the FW FB:

For those of you asking just how big the new Acastus Knight Porphyrion is, we thought we would show you with the help of two of his smaller associates...

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We can also expect a new Christmas jigsaw soon!

 BrookM wrote:
You mean Contemptors and the like?


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No, bigger than a Contemptor Dreadnought, But still smaller than a Paladin. Something about 4.5 inches tall, only two weapons.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
You mean Contemptors and the like?


:

No, bigger than a Contemptor Dreadnought, But still smaller than a Paladin. Something about 4.5 inches tall, only two weapons.

I always thought they should adapt this light knights into a modern design

I think a Contemptor would generally be too small for a "Knight"... Dreadknight sized I think would be reasonably smallest size Knight.

That said in the original RT era fluff for Dreadnoughts there were variants that could be conventionally piloted like a sentinel and more advanced versions that could be controlled by Mind-linked interface, similar to what's described for Knights... in addition to the version of the fiction for Dreadnoughts we're used to seeing today. So there is certainly some wiggle room to have Knight households guards using some sub-Knight walkers.

Well we'll see. They certainly are fleshing out the Knight households, I think we might see some smaller versions, too. The hobbyists certainly are eager for it, you see Knights everywhere now. The models are cool as hell and the fluff is too

Want one of these so bad. Never owned or used a Knight. But Mastadon first.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
You mean Contemptors and the like?


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No, bigger than a Contemptor Dreadnought, But still smaller than a Paladin. Something about 4.5 inches tall, only two weapons.

The Thanatar class sort of fit those requirements, or a bit smaller still is the Domitar Class? I actually prefer to play the Thanatars as they are high T MCs so last a bit longer.

Here's hoping for an Acastus Knight Castellan. Seems like a Quake Cannon would fit nicely on in place on one of the arms...

 zedmeister wrote:
Here's hoping for an Acastus Knight Castellan. Seems like a Quake Cannon would fit nicely on in place on one of the arms...

Don't give them more ideas! Most people's wallets can't handle one of these, let alone two!

Chances are FW already knows what they're doing with this chassis and with so much effort already in its development I doubt this will be the only variant.

 zedmeister wrote:
Here's hoping for an Acastus Knight Castellan. Seems like a Quake Cannon would fit nicely on in place on one of the arms...

That's what I'm hoping to see. If you're gonna go practically full Titan size I hope to see full Titan weapons. I wonder what a Mechanicum version of this chassis will end up with?

 BrookM wrote:
And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

250 is just the target for free shipping. I hit that mark all of the time. I have never gotten express shipping for 250.

 kronk wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

250 is just the target for free shipping. I hit that mark all of the time. I have never gotten express shipping for 250.

The store has a bad habit of selecting Standard shipping for orders over £250, but you can change it to Express at checkout for no extra cost.

beast_gts wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And I just got my shipping confirmation, though it says Standard Shipping. I thought orders over 250 quid got bumped to express shipping automatically?

250 is just the target for free shipping. I hit that mark all of the time. I have never gotten express shipping for 250.

The store has a bad habit of selecting Standard shipping for orders over £250, but you can change it to Express at checkout for no extra cost.

Good to know!

It has arrived. The top carapace probably weighs more than a fully assembled plastic Knight, this thing is brutal!

Minor downside though.. kit came with two left smoke stacks, so that's something I'll be sorting out post-Christmas via email.

After that discovery I decided to do a parts rundown and use the checklist found in the instruction manual itself, with everything accounted for.

Now then, time to bust out the old toothbrush and start cleaning all of it.

Does anyone have any idea which 30k Mechanicum units will be usable in 40k with Fires Of Cyraxus (from leaked images, posters, promotions, ect)? I'm trying to set up my forgeworld list for post-christmas.

Ordinatus for sure, but other than that, I can't remember what was shown at the open day.

Thanatar, Thallax shown in images. Other than that, we got nothin'.

Thank you.

Has nobody else posted this? It doesn't, frankly, look very good.

I think it's the skirt that's the problem.

I think it's an apron, but it may be due to the colours used more than anything.

A while back, but not a color or painted one I believe.

Nice to see that these models are expanding into stores now though! Hope it continues. Now just those t-shirts...

The apron and torso/shoulder join are off, making the proportions all wonky. Looks like a Squat.

Take away the apron and it'd be at least an 81% improvement.

I like the apron. 30k marines always seemed a bit more human than 40k marines in the fluff and this works for me in that context.

I bet that model could look 10x better with a much sharper paint scheme and paint job. Not a brilliant miniature, but I think the haphazard paintwork is really not helping.

It's some form of medical smock. I think it looks fine.

It says Warhammer stores, so, not just the Reichstag but actual any GW store worldwide?

 aka_mythos wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
You mean Contemptors and the like?


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No, bigger than a Contemptor Dreadnought, But still smaller than a Paladin. Something about 4.5 inches tall, only two weapons.

I always thought they should adapt this light knights into a modern design

I think a Contemptor would generally be too small for a "Knight"... Dreadknight sized I think would be reasonably smallest size Knight.

That said in the original RT era fluff for Dreadnoughts there were variants that could be conventionally piloted like a sentinel and more advanced versions that could be controlled by Mind-linked interface, similar to what's described for Knights... in addition to the version of the fiction for Dreadnoughts we're used to seeing today. So there is certainly some wiggle room to have Knight households guards using some sub-Knight walkers.

That walker became admech. Thunder chickens the iron strider barista . Though I agree some smaller knights would be nice.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's some form of medical smock. I think it looks fine.

It says Warhammer stores, so, not just the Reichstag but actual any GW store worldwide?

As with the others, they will no doubt be available in limited quantities sadly on the day itself.

The last 2 took a few days to sell out in the local store here.
Indeed I believe the store ended up shipping back copies of the Ugly Ultramarine so they weren't clogging the limited shelf space a week after they went up because no one was buying them.

The Tribune eventual sold out though... 2 days after the '1 day event'.

Around here stores got less than ten models and were sold on a first come, first serve basis.

Less than 10?

Wow, my local store got 100 of each... which is an absurd number since I don't think it even has that many individual regulars, let alone ones interested in 30K (The Tribune only sold out because people were allowed to buy multiples and it was generic... the Manager even ended up buying 3 for himself iirc).

GW really sucks when it comes to evaluating demand...

https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/812265406228557824

What is this ? I didn't understand what was written.
A new box ?

 godardc wrote:
What is this ? I didn't understand what was written.
A new box ?

Looks like they were playing this:

Which is, of course, the Final Battle of the Horus Heresy - so, it looks as if FW and BL are FINALLY getting around to wrapping things up for the HH.

Well, eventually.

In a year or two, I guess?

 Alpharius wrote:
Which is, of course, the Final Battle of the Horus Heresy - so, it looks as if FW and BL are FINALLY getting around to wrapping things up for the HH.

Well, eventually.

In a year or two, I guess?

Well at the last BL event (or afterwards on B&C) ADB said he thinks people will be surprised with how few books are left, and at the event they said:
'Also, we will know early next year how many books in total they are doing!

They said they know exactly what are the remaining books, and there are only 3 more that need to be done before we reach Terra.'
(From BattleBunnies).

So yeah a year or two left.

 BrookM wrote:
I think it's an apron, but it may be due to the colours used more than anything.

According to a person who may well know, it's a portable operating table and associated equipment. The belt, the sockets in the operating blanket are all designed to plug into an astartes and place them on life support/save them etc.

So, a bit of old fluff when Apothecaries used to give transfusions while under fire then.

Only a few books left? Great, so we're rushing things at the very end. How disappointing.

Hopefully a few books means just the main plot to the Siege, and we get a lot of side story novels as well still.

 Alpharius wrote:
Which is, of course, the Final Battle of the Horus Heresy - so, it looks as if FW and BL are FINALLY getting around to wrapping things up for the HH.

Well, eventually.

In a year or two, I guess?

I mean, BL for sure are wrapping things up.
I doubt FW is though. We still need BA, WS & DA rules, the 30k era Daemon rules they mentioned they'd be doing along with Daemon Angron and more Mechanicum. A no doubt there'll be more Rites of War (since the Dark Angels are going to have 1 for each of the Wings, so that's 4-5 more).

That's at the very least 3-4 more years of content, unless they suddenly stop doing fluff in their Black Books.

 BrookM wrote:
So, a bit of old fluff when Apothecaries used to give transfusions while under fire then.

Precisely, so that those astartes who are too injured to continue but not injured enough to be put down and geneseed extracted can be stabilized/patched up. I don't know if it will transfer to rules, but I think it harks back to the medics picture showing the squat, guard (army) and marine medics dragging the injured marine back to receive treatment.

Once I got that explanation and not the 'he's wearing a big apron' one, it grew on me a lot more.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Which is, of course, the Final Battle of the Horus Heresy - so, it looks as if FW and BL are FINALLY getting around to wrapping things up for the HH.

Well, eventually.

In a year or two, I guess?

I mean, BL for sure are wrapping things up.
I doubt FW is though. We still need BA, WS & DA rules, the 30k era Daemon rules they mentioned they'd be doing along with Daemon Angron and more Mechanicum. A no doubt there'll be more Rites of War (since the Dark Angels are going to have 1 for each of the Wings, so that's 4-5 more).

That's at the very least 3-4 more years of content, unless they suddenly stop doing fluff in their Black Books.

Yeah. As I think I said in another thread, books they've talked about and we haven't seen include:

Shadow Crusade
Signus Prime/DA campaign/WS campaign
Mars

While they always seem to strive for two books a year, it's usually one. And considering they gave Isstvan 3 books, I think we can expect at least 3 for the Solar War and Terra. FW is probably a long, long way from wrapped it up. Especially considering there will probably be some surprise books in there as well.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Only a few books left? Great, so we're rushing things at the very end. How disappointing.

I doubt it. I'm certain there will still be at least another 50 store/event-exclusive short stories, audio dramas and anthology books before they get to a Siege of Terra novel trilogy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
a Siege of Terra novel trilogy.

Trilogy of trilogies, at least. And really, why miss the opportunity to have an entire Siege of Terra series, matching the length of the Heresy series?

jigsaw piece one:


from: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/25/forge-world-jigsaw-day-1/

Looks Chaos Dwarf-y. They have any things that need kits still?

I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

Oh that's stupid sexy.

Does it have a name?

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

Bad move on their part. Should have spoiled something totally new. Did they think their fans wouldn't get it immediately?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

Oh that's stupid sexy.

I want one. For...something. I'll figure out something.


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 aka_mythos wrote:
Does it have a name?

A report from an attendee's blog says Khorne DP. That sounds right if I remember correctly. 2017 will also see that ginormous Khorne dragon for AoS Trish has been working on. It's the size of a cat. (I smell a Battle Royale... )


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

Bad move on their part. Should have spoiled something totally new. Did they think their fans wouldn't get it immediately?

No idea. It's exciting but they are pumping out so much, despite having a new specialist games dept. Wish I could say it ties to a major line release but who knows, FW can create what it wants and we buy the awesome models

Just saw their top 10 list. They have the warlord at number 3. That's an expensive bit of kit to be the third best selling item at FW, I smell a rat! Or else FW sales have collapsed/rocketed!

It's been explained to me by those in the know (so believe or don't, but it makes sense to me) that these best seller lists are based on how much it brought in, rather than quantity sold. Remember Smaug was last year (or year before?).

Yeah, "best seller" isn't a precise term, it could be unit sales, revenue, gross profit or even net profit.

Commonly it's unit sales, but I suspect that wouldn't produce the list FW want to show everyone (it would probably almost exclusively be made up of alternate shoulder pads, weapon packs and helmet options, not an exciting read.)

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yeah, "best seller" isn't a precise term, it could be unit sales, revenue, gross profit or even net profit.

Commonly it's unit sales, but I suspect that wouldn't produce the list FW want to show everyone (it would probably almost exclusively be made up of alternate shoulder pads, weapon packs and helmet options, not an exciting read.)

*taps nose knowingly*

So it's kind of meaningless then, at least to us the customers. Calling it the 'what's making us the most money list' doesn't just have the same ring to it though!

I think it sorta helps if you want to surprise someone with a more niche gift and you know they're into the hobby. Most players are commonly Marines, so just going from there is surprisingly easy. Almost everyone has some sorta Marines in their collection after all, and therefore most could use something at worst.

So... three completely unrelated parts. This is a misdirection... and who does misdirection best!? Alpha Legion.

I am calling it now, the reveal will show Alpharius.

Well, despite my misgivings, for a 'mere' £25 I snapped-up the last Primus Medicae in the shop. It looks better in the flesh, though I remain unconvinced by the look of the apron.

He can rest at the bottom of the shame pile until I decide what I intend to do with him.

They realised their mistake and are trying to misdirect. The middle part is a custodes rhino? Right, blood bowl beastman?

My thought was that it's changing every day it's related to Tzeentch and ultimately Thousand Sons Magnus. I could see it end up being Alpharius too though. Guess we'll have to wait until the 2nd to know for sure.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I don't see it posted here so the full reveal pic from the open day is in the 1st post here (SPOILER!!!) http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329134-forge-world-puzzle/

Not a fan of the herp-derp on the shield.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
My thought was that it's changing every day it's related to Tzeentch and ultimately Thousand Sons Magnus. I could see it end up being Alpharius too though. Guess we'll have to wait until the 2nd to know for sure.

Could be Magnus, he is next. Or they might just show a few things at the end.

If anyone wonders on the Primus Medicae :
130 Point
WS 5 - BS 5 - S 4 - T 4 - W 2 - I 5 - A 3 - Ld 9 - Sv 2+

Unit Composition : 1 Legion Primus Medicae Consul

Wargear:
Narthecium
Needle pistol
Cataphracii Teminator Armor
Power weapon
Frag & Krak grenades

Special Rules :
Legiones Astartes
Independent Character
Legion Support Officer
Sacred Trust

Sacred Trust : In missions where Victory points are scored for destroying units, if a Primus Med is within 6" of a friendly Space Marine Infantry or Jump Infantry unit which is wiped out by the enemy, roll a D6. On a 5+, the player whose unit was destroyed also gains a Victory point, as well as the enemy.

Bummer for me is the fact that the head is not separate and looks too small (imho) on the mini.

 Nactor wrote:
If anyone wonders on the Primus Medicae :
130 Point
WS 5 - BS 5 - S 4 - T 4 - W 2 - I 5 - A 3 - Ld 9 - Sv 2+

Unit Composition : 1 Legion Primus Medicae Consul

Wargear:
Narthecium
Needle pistol
Cataphracii Teminator Armor
Power weapon
Frag & Krak grenades

Special Rules :
Lagiones Astartes
Independent Character
Legion Support Officer
Sacred Trust

Sacred Trust : In missions where Victory points are scored for destroying units, if a Primus Med is within 6" of a friendly Space Marine Infantry or Jump Infantry unit which is wiped out by the enemy, roll a D6. On a 5+, the player whose unit was destroyed also gains a Victory point, as well as the enemy.

Bummer for me is the fact that the head is not separate and looks too small (imho) on the mini.

So... it is exactly the standard rules for that Consul. Nothing special. Huh.

Yea, i was hoping for some kind of extra, too.
But well, considering my local GW shop only got 4 of them i can count me lucky to have gotten one - went there last friday and asked them to hold on on one for me
Local guy told me there were like 10 peeps waiting for him this morning just for the mini lol.

I like mine. They had loads at the store. Was a bit disappointed when the price was $40 as I expected but slight hope when someone said 25 quid cuz that would've been sweet

Definitely Alpharius.

We aren't getting Alpharius for a while.

So is this a jigsaw where each piece is a seperate teaser then?

Loopstah wrote:
So is this a jigsaw where each piece is a seperate teaser then?

It appears so.

Loopstah wrote:
So is this a jigsaw where each piece is a seperate teaser then?

Nah it's a khornate goat-demon on a stolen custodes tank that accidentally got transported to a Blood Bowl field.

 ImAGeek wrote:
We aren't getting Alpharius for a while.

You don't know that! This could be his big reveal!

Unless they are being silly because the fanbase nailed the image off that first piece and now its a big joke to them.

EDIT:

Totally confirmation, amirite?! FW liked my claim that it was Alpharius!

This this point it's pretty clear they are showing off parts of multiple mini's and it's not a single image.

 ImAGeek wrote:
We aren't getting Alpharius for a while.

How do you know we haven't got him already?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
We aren't getting Alpharius for a while.

How do you know we haven't got him already?

You're better than that H.B.M.C.

As always, apologies if you've seen these already.

Whilst cool I think the wolves are £20 too much. Shame as I was looking forward to getting them.

They're quite large:

and the scenic bases are nice

I love that Custodes Dreadnought. So cool that it has a flaming sword, it's just going to be hard to get it into melee.

The Wolf-kin are awesome and I need to get them for Russ but that £70 is a bit steep.

Edit: they are pretty huge though.

If only they were for 40k.

Looks much nicer than a flying Rhino.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
If only they were for 40k.

What would you use Zug as in 40k?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
If only they were for 40k.

What would you use Zug as in 40k?

When I posted it only the custodes vehicle had been put into the post, lol.

Once again, not having the forward intakes on the Custodes skimmers as eagle heads is a missed opportunity. Even so it looks sweet. Now that FW have revealed the basic armour units I'm really looking forward to what other infantry they get.

Loopstah wrote:
Looks much nicer than a flying Rhino.

Lies.

Well, matter of taste ofc, but I'm genuinely gutted it looks like we won't be seeing the Flyno, that's one of the images from the Heresy artbooks that's stuck in my mind even years later. It's also a little sad that GW/FW seem to be moving firmly away from the core idea of the old STC-based technology of the Imperium - now everyone gets their own special vehicle aesthetic, which is good for selling models and some of the models do look rather nice, but the point was supposed to be that the STC reconfigured the core designs to use the best available local tech and materials to meet the intended purpose, hence why the Imperium's MBT is basically a farm tractor with guns on it and the most elite force of warriors in the Imperium rode around in the same metal bawx as everyone else but theirs was gold-plated and had antigrav engines.

It's a bit more subtle than that. After all, there's been a significant difference in look between Marine and Guard vehicles, and this is the same. However, the details share common themes. The engine nozzles, bolt and laser weapon muzzles, the antigravity plates and the other details all mean that it's clearly an Imperial vehicle.

End of the day, can't win 'em all.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Loopstah wrote:
Looks much nicer than a flying Rhino.

Lies.

Well, matter of taste ofc, but I'm genuinely gutted it looks like we won't be seeing the Flyno, that's one of the images from the Heresy artbooks that's stuck in my mind even years later. It's also a little sad that GW/FW seem to be moving firmly away from the core idea of the old STC-based technology of the Imperium - now everyone gets their own special vehicle aesthetic, which is good for selling models and some of the models do look rather nice, but the point was supposed to be that the STC reconfigured the core designs to use the best available local tech and materials to meet the intended purpose, hence why the Imperium's MBT is basically a farm tractor with guns on it and the most elite force of warriors in the Imperium rode around in the same metal bawx as everyone else but theirs was gold-plated and had antigrav engines.

I absolutely agree and i'll be making 'emperors gift' rhinos for my custodes when i get round to them.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Well, matter of taste ofc, but I'm genuinely gutted it looks like we won't be seeing the Flyno.

Maybe not from FW, but I'm not convinced that GW would make plastic kits for Custodes and SoS infantry without a plan for a expanded later 40k release. Of course that could lead to a similar situation to the split in 30/40k Mechanicus units, which would suck.

I am genuinely psyched for Custodes vehicles. With how expensive the units are this could be an easy army to transport.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that 40K rules appear for all three vehicles, and eventually a usable (if extremely limited) 40k Custodes army list.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
If only they were for 40k.

What would you use Zug as in 40k?

Would be cool to paint him up as a super mutant suicide from fallout and put him as a Tnnk Busta nob or something g.

Nice models, a lot of niche stuff though. Not lovin' the new Daemon fella though. A bit underwhelming.

Kind of sucks that edgar skomorowski quit forgeworld, his style is missed. But Zug looks good, i'm glad they aren't overdoing the blood bowl models with scenic bases and stuff. They just need to be priced well and fit in with the other models to be worthwhile.

Yeah, I'm going to be interested to see the prices for Zug and the Halfling/Ogre pair from earlier in the thread.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It's a bit more subtle than that. After all, there's been a significant difference in look between Marine and Guard vehicles, and this is the same. However, the details share common themes. The engine nozzles, bolt and laser weapon muzzles, the antigravity plates and the other details all mean that it's clearly an Imperial vehicle.

All true, but with the caveat that during the Heresy there didn't used to be any difference in look between Marine & Guard vehicles because the distinction largely didn't exist - there were Guardsmen riding around in Land Raiders and Legions running Baneblade-hulled vehicles & whole armoured battalions of Leman Russ and Malcador variants(the latter admittedly likely crewed by serfs). It was only later, with the combination of technological decline and irrational tradition that the Imperium decided Guardsmen weren't allowed Rhinos and Marines were too good for the Russ. And also, despite it being an Imperial vehicle...it's not a Flyno. It's just a shame, there are so many cool sounding Rhino variants - Flynos, long-hulled transporters, open-topped Mechanicus transports with a Rapier mount and heavy front glacis plate, Arbite variants - in the fluff, but GW's seemingly insatiable need to give every faction it's own special vehicle designs, whether they share commonalities with the wider Imperium or not, means we'll probably never see them.

I like this more than the Flyno, personally. It doesn't have the filagree and aquillae all over like the troops, but the curves and pointed arches blend with the troops well, as do the ribbing pieces. Depending on price, I may want to do a small platoon of about 30 custodes with a dread, 2 transports, 2 of the speeders, and a tank. About equivalent to an Astartes company.

I can see the argument on every faction having their own designs, but of anyone, the custodes definately should. They are the handcrafted masterworks, not the standardized and rugged mass production versions. Their equipment should be the same.

If they just did the Flyno, you have pushback as well from the people who would call it a missed opportunity, just Rhino variant #16 to go with Astarted bolter 5 and Contemptor 14 (Where is the Ultramarine Contemptor btw? )

Khone daemon looked good. Until I saw its feet. Ggghhh.

New contemptor.

Too much iconography for my tastes, but it is sweet how dynamic they've gotten with posing on these dreadnoughts!

Two heavy flamers and a lascannon? Will they get dreedo and leviathan dreads too?

 RiTides wrote:
Too much iconography for my tastes, but it is sweet how dynamic they've gotten with posing on these dreadnoughts!

It is a Custodian Contemptor... they are dripping with bling per the fluff. Can't imagine it any other way!

The sword and shield combo looks very nice on Contemptors. Reminds me of all those excellent Contemptors wielding converted Nemesis greatswords. I'm also liking the smaller fist with the weapon mounted on the outside.

I'm totally getting that sword and board dread for my roman ultramarines, unbeleivably perfect for my army's theme

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
New contemptor.

Dreadnoughts with spears are scary.

I need to stop seeing Custodes things now. They are very very cool and they are tempting me dearly, but they would never make suitable allies for my Thousand Sons.

Additionally, I need to start seeing Thousand Sons who aren't being mauled by Wolf-kin, and start seeing some mind-bullet badassery based models.

I love that that's your 18th post in like 4 years, Freakish1987

A man of few words, but he speaks the truth...

 Vitruvian XVII wrote:
I'm totally getting that sword and board dread for my roman ultramarines, unbeleivably perfect for my army's theme

and dark angels.....

Freakish1987 wrote:
I need to stop seeing Custodes things now. They are very very cool and they are tempting me dearly, but they would never make suitable allies for my Thousand Sons.

Additionally, I need to start seeing Thousand Sons who aren't being mauled by Wolf-kin, and start seeing some mind-bullet badassery based models.

I feel your pain. I'd also like some of those chain khopeshes that the new GW Scarab Ocult have, but for infantry (kinda like how they did the Phoenix Spears and chainglaives). And maybe force/hequa staves too.

Custodes Contemptor + new, better pics of him =

My only 30k army is knights. Though LC is being built up slowly by me. So cool looking. Also if anyone has BoP. LC to trade or sell hit me up in swap shop.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:

Freakish1987 wrote:
I need to stop seeing Custodes things now. They are very very cool and they are tempting me dearly, but they would never make suitable allies for my Thousand Sons.

Additionally, I need to start seeing Thousand Sons who aren't being mauled by Wolf-kin, and start seeing some mind-bullet badassery based models.

I feel your pain. I'd also like some of those chain khopeshes that the new GW Scarab Ocult have, but for infantry (kinda like how they did the Phoenix Spears and chainglaives). And maybe force/hequa staves too.

Yeah where are the Thousand Sons models at?? So far all we've got are some conversion packs and a really lacklustre contemptor dreadnought. I shouldn't complain though seeing as I now have a plastic Ahriman and didn't need to spend $90 on him...

I want to see marines flinging some crazy magic around with some melting remains of space puppies under them!

Any further Thousand Sons range will be relegated to base details for the Space Wolves and their pet wolves.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Any further Thousand Sons range will be relegated to base details for the Space Wolves and their pet wolves.

you get a 'lol' for that.

Whatever happened to the two Moritat that got shown back in July?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whatever happened to the two Moritat that got shown back in July?

They got nerfed that badly that projected sales figures did not warrant them being made. See greater Kadi fire thingy for reference.

Is that a identifiable lascannon pattern on the spear or a new weapon?

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Is that a identifiable lascannon pattern on the spear or a new weapon?

I was told it was a new Custodies gun, like a las cannon only better.

SeanDrake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whatever happened to the two Moritat that got shown back in July?

They got nerfed that badly that projected sales figures did not warrant them being made. See greater Kadi fire thingy for reference.

Is that actually confirmed, or just assumption?

 Kanluwen wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whatever happened to the two Moritat that got shown back in July?

They got nerfed that badly that projected sales figures did not warrant them being made. See greater Kadi fire thingy for reference.

Is that actually confirmed, or just assumption?

Assumption, and pretty baseless. I've seen a lot of people still excited for the model.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whatever happened to the two Moritat that got shown back in July?

They got nerfed that badly that projected sales figures did not warrant them being made. See greater Kadi fire thingy for reference.

Is that actually confirmed, or just assumption?

Assumption, and pretty baseless. I've seen a lot of people still excited for the model.

Excited for the model... not so much the rules. Not that they didn't need nerfing a bit. Just a shame Destroyer squads are still so overpriced. :( I would love to get a jump squad and a Moritat. They are so uniquely 30k!

Is there any word coming on Adeptus Titanicus and the models FW is doing for it? I thought it was launching in the first quarter, but that seems kind of unlikely at this date, right?

Is there an event coming soon (weekender, open day, etc?) that we can have a dakkanaut scout infiltrate to find out more . I couldn't find a calendar or event list on the FW site for some reason...

 RiTides wrote:
Is there any word coming on Adeptus Titanicus and the models FW is doing for it? I thought it was launching in the first quarter, but that seems kind of unlikely at this date, right?

Is there an event coming soon (weekender, open day, etc?) that we can have a dakkanaut scout infiltrate to find out more . I couldn't find a calendar or event list on the FW site for some reason...

Start here from the other open day thread but, due to the massive success of Blood Bowl, they've pushed it back to consider doing plastics as it could too prove to be popular

looking at the Pallas Grav tank, I'm kind of thinking of a conversion. What do you guys think it would look like if I used a Storm Talon cockpit for the front hull (using a Custodes torso) and mounted two engines from the Storm Raven to the sides?

Honestly? Terrible. Storm Talons are fit for nothing but scrap plastic and the Pallas already has awesome looking engines.

Edit: Unless you mean a counts-as not converting the actual model, in which case it could work but it really doesn't fit 30k Custodes aesthetic

Yeah, I mean as a counts-as. I like custodes and everything, but I find the vehicles lack a little of the imperial aesthetic, which I guess is actually kind of the point. They are using the best of the best tech. I just have the bits all ready, and thought it could work.

That and I'm planning an entire Custodes army that I can play at 3000 points, and paying hundreds of dollars for forgeworld models isn't something I can justify to the wife.

Just got an email that the Thunderbolt is back in stock after quite a long time away. I wonder if it got retooled as well, or is just as it was.. I may now have something to spend that shipping voucher on.

Gonna have to wait and see the rules for the Contemptors before buying any, as Dreadnoughts, even in 30k, are pretty meh (the exception being leviathans flying out of pods and melta/cutting things to death, of course.).

They look really badass, but of course, so has everything for the custodes so far.

Lots of stuff today, including (finally!) a couple of knight heads that don't suck.

Nice heads and ooo, Mechanicum transfers...

The first two IK heads look great, more like these please The third one however

The 3rd head is certainly better than all the AdMech knight heads released by FW so far.