Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
All of this things people listed above plus the cost. I have the mosaic bases from Micro Art studios that are about a buck a piece. The 32s are closer to $2 each. On top of that, the bases are really detailed and take forever to paint. So, I have to invest a lot of time and money now to convert my ~80 painted and based infantry. Then, I'm left with 80 painted 25mm bases that are useless.
I'll get over it. I'll convert them. I'm just not excited about it. So... lame.
Albertorius wrote: I won't. If anyone has any problem about me playing with minis on bases of the same size they came with, they can go feth themselves.
Bingo, who cares what base size they're on, cuz it sure isn't modeling for advantage. Now if you base the new ones on 25mm, that would be for advantage.
I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
It definitely seemed like that's what they were doing...but now I guess it's more "power armour and anything better is 32mm+" and everything "below" that isn't?
But then characters from sets like Blackstone Fortress are on 32mm when they really shouldn't be (eldar and kroot).
I dunno. I do wish they had more consistency going on here.
GW never cared that much about bases. In 40k, it's a minor annoyance thanks to how the rules handles measures - you can easily play with 25mm or 32 mm without a major shift in close combat unlike in AoS, for example.
When I had my metal sisters, I based them on 32 mm Imperialis bases. They looked great (25 mm for metal sisters are a bit "cramped") and gave them more stability given the weight of the miniature.
It's not a surprise they did it for plastic sisters. I'm sure you can put them on 25 mm if you want, but they are way more stable on 32 mmIMHO. Especially for the Seraphims.
Can't help but notice not EVERYTHING is on 32mm, so its clearly a deliberate decision and not "just because"
You got power armor in 32", and you got 25" (or 28"?) for people without power armor-creating a clear differentiation.
Overall I'm hyped.
I'm no imperial, but the sisters were always a cool army, and its great to watch them finally getting proper support.
Heck my roomate isn't intrested at all in 40k, and she's considering getting herself some nuns XD (she's into hobby stuff in general, just not wargaming)
You got power armor in 32", and you got 25" (or 28"?) for people without power armor-creating a clear differentiation.
It's 25 mm for now. Warcry introduced a new round base of 28 mm, but so far, it's specific to this GW skirmish game. And the reason invoked for Warcry was indeed to differentiate the various categories of warriors that otherwise look very similar ("light" are on 25mm, "medium" on 28 mm and "heavy/elite" on 32mm - of course, everything is fethed up when you introduce the AoS factions, that are still set on the existing bases before Warcry, and thus don't obey the same categories - it only applies to the chaos warband new plastic kits). Of course, we got some players not happy with GW introducing a new base size, but GW does it for quite some time now. I still remember when they put the plastic Genestealer Patriarch on a oval base.
Most of the time, GW invokes the "rule of cool". Also, it's a way to incite players to buy the new kits, since they got the "official base size". But never GW is saying you have to rebase everything. How many Space Marine players still play with their "not Primaris" troops on the "old" 25 mm, after all ? And like I said, sure there is a difference in game (bigger bases do cover a bigger space, after all), but since there are as many advantages as inconviences to this and they don't technically break the game as it is, only the hardcore competitive players are obtuse enough to refuse to play against your army because it's still set on the older base size.
In AoS, it's completely a different matter, thanks to how measures are made in close combat...and here, using a different base size changes a crucial part of the game (since melee is much more important in AoS than in 40k).
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont
Kawauso wrote: But then characters from sets like Blackstone Fortress are on 32mm when they really shouldn't be (eldar and kroot).
I dunno. I do wish they had more consistency going on here.
I'll have to rattle through my GSC minis, but I'm reasonably sure none of those characters are on 25 mm, either real wide stances or attached minions for scale buffing. Not sure when the last actual character came out on 25mm. Could be they're being consistent about that rather than troop type you'd associate them with?
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont
Because the sisters wear power armour and the skitarii does not?
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont
(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont
(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)
Yeah, in 40k there's nothing in the rules that address base size directly, and historically speaking GW's stance on base sizes has been "use what the models came with".
I think its only AoS that really cares about base sizes.
It is true though that in 8th ed having a larger base size would mean its easier to get in combat and use auras. The flip size though is that its also easier for your opponent to get in combat with you, and its harder to use cover as all models have to be on the terrain feature to get the save. Bigger base = larger footprint = harder to use terrain.
Also consistency is nice. Seeing a mix of 25mm and 32mm bases can be quite irksome, especially if the models are on display.
CURNOW wrote: Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it
As Kawauso says. I hate rebasing, but a uniform base size and type helps an army look coherent and uniform (ie... like an army).
The genestealer cult drives me batty with different base sizes for characters and even within units. That genestealers are 25, neophytes are 25 (except gunners), but acolytes are 32 just strikes me as either crazy or grand level of indifference to aesthetics and army composition on GW's part.
That they're clearly going for the same thing for Sisters (especially with the Hospitaler, but also the Mistress Superior) is really annoying.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
A couple of the AoSSC boxes are the monopose E2B models from the old starter, so there is some precedent. There are other normal ones available for the factions though.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
A couple of the AoSSC boxes are the monopose E2B models from the old starter, so there is some precedent. There are other normal ones available for the factions though.
Stormcast got a Vanguard Chamber one and Khorne has a Daemons one. Effectively, they are both two different 'forces' within the main setup.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, in 40k there's nothing in the rules that address base size directly, and historically speaking GW's stance on base sizes has been "use what the models came with".
I think its only AoS that really cares about base sizes.
It is true though that in 8th ed having a larger base size would mean its easier to get in combat and use auras. The flip size though is that its also easier for your opponent to get in combat with you, and its harder to use cover as all models have to be on the terrain feature to get the save. Bigger base = larger footprint = harder to use terrain.
Also consistency is nice. Seeing a mix of 25mm and 32mm bases can be quite irksome, especially if the models are on display.
AoS base size is massive. 25mm is so massively superior to 32 it's not even funny.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.
And your speculation is based on what? Literally every sc is full kit. If they wanted monoposes in sc plenty opportunities for that. They haven't.
frozenwastes wrote: I just wish they could have stuck with the skitarii and neophytes as the standard height for 40k human infantry. What was wrong with it? Why grow the sisters and force them onto 32mm bases?
Because in a few years they won't be competing with 25+ years of garage sales and old armies, you either have the new stuff or you dont
(Psst, I don't think he realizes you can take bases off of stuff and put new ones on)
Which is costly time consuming process that can easily damage model and paint job . You know how expensive it would be for me to rebase my orks to 32mm? over 200 pounds. As a minimum. Without factoring in time spent doing new bases and repairing models and paint job.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.
And your speculation is based on what? Literally every sc is full kit. If they wanted monoposes in sc plenty opportunities for that. They haven't.
My speculation is based on the fact they're making these monopose models then discontinuing them as soon as the box set is done. It doesn't make sense financially to create the designs, then the mold, then make a few thousand of them then chuck the lot in the bin. Also SC boxes were the first thing that were targeted in price hikes. I think they're looking at ways of getting people an SC box they can't or don't want to really spam a bunch of times to make an army. Another thing is that there is currently no SCCSM box. I mean they could throw the brand new models in the box with a Chaos Lord and some bikes, but why not use the new sprues you made that are sat idle rather than eating into the sales of your new models?
Again that's something they have done before so not really good argument.
Also depending on how sprue design works out there's another use for them. ETB boxes.
But so far they have done NOTHING that hasn't been done before. When everything is going as before there's no real reason to expect radical change in future either.
And SC boxes don't come right away from solo kits. The new chaos marine box is fairly new so not ready yet for SC box introduction.
I doubt they will be only putting out a few thousand of these boxes. This is to get people down with a whole new army. so I'd imagine the " Limited " run will be extremely generous. They want to get people to get a foot in the army to feed them all the new releases to come along with it more fully. As well they will want people to double dip with the holiday sets and this box make it a double whammy for some customers.
So if they are smart it'll be at a good price as the first taste, then have the breath taken away later on.
tneva82 wrote: Again that's something they have done before so not really good argument.
Also depending on how sprue design works out there's another use for them. ETB boxes.
But so far they have done NOTHING that hasn't been done before. When everything is going as before there's no real reason to expect radical change in future either.
And SC boxes don't come right away from solo kits. The new chaos marine box is fairly new so not ready yet for SC box introduction.
It's not an argument, it's what I think they're going to do, and the reasons I think they're going to do them. I don't expect everyone to be convinced. It's a logical step that they may or may not take. I think they will, you obviously don't.
Are you expecting GW to do backflip on every single release? Because that's what this would represent. Complete back on tried and true release pattern they have been following for years.
There's nothing new in this release pattern that they haven't done. Nothing whatsoever to hint they might be changing it. So if you believe this might be one you must be expecting them to do u-turns on release pattern for every single release.
tneva82 wrote: Are you expecting GW to do backflip on every single release? Because that's what this would represent. Complete back on tried and true release pattern they have been following for years.
There's nothing new in this release pattern that they haven't done. Nothing whatsoever to hint they might be changing it. So if you believe this might be one you must be expecting them to do u-turns on release pattern for every single release.
Ok, you're talking crap, but whatever then, yes, I must think they're doing the biggest U-turn in business history, bigger than Sega dropping out of the hardware market, bigger than the collapse of Lehman Brothers......
Or, maybe they'll just re-purpose sprues to make some new SC boxes. They've done it in AOS, so why not 40k?
AngryAngel80 wrote: I doubt they will be only putting out a few thousand of these boxes. This is to get people down with a whole new army. so I'd imagine the " Limited " run will be extremely generous. They want to get people to get a foot in the army to feed them all the new releases to come along with it more fully. As well they will want people to double dip with the holiday sets and this box make it a double whammy for some customers.
So if they are smart it'll be at a good price as the first taste, then have the breath taken away later on.
Not to sound too gloomy about something we can't really judge yet, but Sisters are a prime candidate for mishandling. I'm not even sure it has anything to do with how "smart" GW is.
GW is averse to taking risks especially with regard to overstocking and from what we've seen over the years they seem to be content with determining a number of boxes they are sure they can sell, and if the profit from that exceeds manufacturing cost by a certain amount they'll make the box. There's no indication that demand plays a role in any but the most basic sense. As in, they know they'll sell more Marine boxes than Tyranid boxes, so they'll make more of one that features Marines than one that features Tyranids.
Age of Sigmar's last battle box was goblins versus trees and GW could by far not satisfy demand, clearly underestimating how many people wanted that box. Before that ghouls versus rats didn't fare much better, selling out very quickly. I consider myself lucky that I got my hands on one of those. By contrast the Khorne versus Slaanesh daemons box was available for a good long while.
I could see this becoming a problem for Sisters, too, and I really hope that GW is willing to do several production runs of the box if they don't make enough in the first place. The problem with Sisters is that GW has no relevant data to go on to determine how many boxes to make. All it takes for the release to get botched is for GW to default to their usual procedure. You would in fact they're smarter than that, but it's not easy to rule out that they're not.
Or I guess setting the price at a stupid level could also sink Sisters regardless of any other factors.
Hope none of that happens. You know. Emperor willing.
Geifer wrote: I could see this becoming a problem for Sisters, too, and I really hope that GW is willing to do several production runs of the box if they don't make enough in the first place. The problem with Sisters is that GW has no relevant data to go on to determine how many boxes to make. All it takes for the release to get botched is for GW to default to their usual procedure. You would in fact they're smarter than that, but it's not easy to rule out that they're not.
Well, this is part of why I hypothesised that the box might be a test, of sorts, to gauge the market, at least in part to see how big the market segment might be.
In other words, you aren't going to know the market for the box, but the box sales can then give you a data point for the rest of the things in production. So, it is hard to say, from here/now, if they should make it an unlimited set, or not, there are merits to either approach.
However, what I think is a "given" or a close to one as there is, will be that if the box sells very well/sells out, we will see full kits/full release sooner rather than later. If it does not sell well, I think the rest of the new stuff will only trickle out over a few years.
tneva82 wrote: Are you expecting GW to do backflip on every single release? Because that's what this would represent. Complete back on tried and true release pattern they have been following for years.
There's nothing new in this release pattern that they haven't done. Nothing whatsoever to hint they might be changing it. So if you believe this might be one you must be expecting them to do u-turns on release pattern for every single release.
Is this still about the SC! thing? Because you've been wrong about that for like 3 pages now. AoS Stormcast SC! 1 used repurposed sprues from the starter set.
The repurposed sprues didn't even make a complete unit.
Geifer wrote: I could see this becoming a problem for Sisters, too, and I really hope that GW is willing to do several production runs of the box if they don't make enough in the first place. The problem with Sisters is that GW has no relevant data to go on to determine how many boxes to make. All it takes for the release to get botched is for GW to default to their usual procedure. You would in fact they're smarter than that, but it's not easy to rule out that they're not.
Well, this is part of why I hypothesised that the box might be a test, of sorts, to gauge the market, at least in part to see how big the market segment might be.
In other words, you aren't going to know the market for the box, but the box sales can then give you a data point for the rest of the things in production. So, it is hard to say, from here/now, if they should make it an unlimited set, or not, there are merits to either approach.
However, what I think is a "given" or a close to one as there is, will be that if the box sells very well/sells out, we will see full kits/full release sooner rather than later. If it does not sell well, I think the rest of the new stuff will only trickle out over a few years.
Probably. It certainly sounds sensible. GW reacted with spectacular swiftness to the failed original release of Age of Sigmar and the thing that got in the way their were production lead times taking them a year to put fixes in place - technically a long time, but unprecedented and speedy compared to their normal time frames.
Sisters won't have that problem. GW resolved to overhaul the line, the designs are done and if they aren't yet, the molds will be too soon enough. I don't know how they schedule their production runs, but sales data from November may well allow them to manufacture more Sisters (or hand over the production slot to another army, depending on how it goes) three or four months later.
I'll contradict the idea that a bad release will see the full army release split up into smaller releases over time, though. GW doesn't work like that. What's done now is going to be released and any bad sales will be mitigated as best as possible with stock management. They're not cutting any molds over a weekend and unless the actual Sisters release is half a year or more out, the investment has been made and they're going to try to make the cost back.
Edit: Also, just to say that clearly, the Sisters release at this point has been scheduled and it will happen at the scheduled time. GW doesn't shift things around because they want to test the water first. They commit and see things through.
Geifer wrote: I could see this becoming a problem for Sisters, too, and I really hope that GW is willing to do several production runs of the box if they don't make enough in the first place. The problem with Sisters is that GW has no relevant data to go on to determine how many boxes to make. All it takes for the release to get botched is for GW to default to their usual procedure. You would in fact they're smarter than that, but it's not easy to rule out that they're not.
Well, this is part of why I hypothesised that the box might be a test, of sorts, to gauge the market, at least in part to see how big the market segment might be.
In other words, you aren't going to know the market for the box, but the box sales can then give you a data point for the rest of the things in production. So, it is hard to say, from here/now, if they should make it an unlimited set, or not, there are merits to either approach.
However, what I think is a "given" or a close to one as there is, will be that if the box sells very well/sells out, we will see full kits/full release sooner rather than later. If it does not sell well, I think the rest of the new stuff will only trickle out over a few years.
That's super dumb. I'm sorry but that's just a really, really dumb conclusion to draw.
So what you're saying is that the army will be literally impossible to play with first party models unless this random one off starter box(with monopose minis that don't have even HALF of their full options) sells big? That's the most shoot yourself in the foot thing I've ever heard. The box has the codex in it. People will know what units they need before this box even comes out.
The metals are on LCTB. By the time this boxset comes out they'll be gone outside of ebay resales. This isn't like space marines who can afford to just not have an impulsor for months and it doesn't affect anything. If they don't come out with new immolators, new exorcists, new dominions, new celestians, new arcos, new repentia, new seraphim with all their options, new battle sisters with all their options, new penitent engines with all their options, etc, it will be literally impossible to play the army with first party models for a lot of new players. Especially when you consider that the Ebay metals tend to be right around GW's insane retail prices right now, BEFORE the massive market shock that would happen as a result of new options becoming competitive. If they have things in the codex that are either totally new units or totally new equipment options, this gets even worse.
If they do your (stupid) strategy, they can literally just dumpster everything that doesn't come out by march because I can guarantee you 90% of people will have either decided not to do a sisters army, have filled in the missing units with ebay metals, or have made the missing units with 3rd party models/conversions.
The majority of sales will come as a result of the pent up demand for plastic SoB. If they delay the release by more than a few months (Up to february to account for christmas being a deadzone) that demand will dissipate quite a lot as people find workable substitutes.
I have 2000$ saved for sisters of battle and even I would just buy Raging heroes or w/e to actually get to PLAY my army rather than wait years (lol) to get kits. And if I have everything I need to play the army and the kits aren't coming out anytime soon, well, there are a lot of other things I could do with that 2k.
Geifer wrote: I'll contradict the idea that a bad release will see the full army release split up into smaller releases over time, though. GW doesn't work like that. What's done now is going to be released and any bad sales will be mitigated as best as possible with stock management. They're not cutting any molds over a weekend and unless the actual Sisters release is half a year or more out, the investment has been made and they're going to try to make the cost back.
That's a fair point, my phrasing was poor there. I didn't really mean smaller releases over time, like, not a box a month or something. I was more so thinking that better sales on the box means the "full army" would just be out sooner rather than later. So, perhaps 2 big releases, say, 3-4 months apart to get it done, as opposed to maybe 3 releases 6 months apart. It's hard to say if the "full kit" molds have already been cut or not. Obviously, if they are, the sunk-in costs are already high and you'd want to recoup as soon as possible. However, I don't know what GW's "turn time" is, so I don't know if the molds, for a prospective 2020 release would already be done or not. If they are, the paradigm I hypothesize might still be the case, but rather than "optimizing" a release time frame, it might just be to try to "optimize" for a prospective production/stock level.
All in all though, it could certainly be the case that none of that is the case, as I assuredly do not understand, in any real way, GW's marketing and release "strategy." In fact, the very plausibility of my paradigm is likely a big strike against it actually being the case.
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ERJAK wrote: That's super dumb. I'm sorry but that's just a really, really dumb conclusion to draw.
Well, please do explain, to an idiot like me, exactly what then your idea for the release window of all the new kits would be then?
So, the box in November and then what? What release window averts your paradigm where the box is out and the "limited" army is unplayable and unappealing?
Sure, my idea might be stupid, but you presented nothing as an alternative. So, please do enlighten us with your (presumably erudite) release strategy that does not suffer the same problem?
Shall we expect the full army the week after? The month after? Obviously you have a much keener grasp of these things, so set us straight on them please.
I have 2000$ saved for sisters of battle and even I would just buy Raging heroes or w/e to actually get to PLAY my army rather than wait years (lol) to get kits. And if I have everything I need to play the army and the kits aren't coming out anytime soon, well, there are a lot of other things I could do with that 2k.
Be prepared to do something else then. There isn't any indication a full release is happening in the short term.
On the optimistic side, I expect the full Sisters release to start in the January slot.
Geifer wrote: I'll contradict the idea that a bad release will see the full army release split up into smaller releases over time, though. GW doesn't work like that. What's done now is going to be released and any bad sales will be mitigated as best as possible with stock management. They're not cutting any molds over a weekend and unless the actual Sisters release is half a year or more out, the investment has been made and they're going to try to make the cost back.
That's a fair point, my phrasing was poor there. I didn't really mean smaller releases over time, like, not a box a month or something. I was more so thinking that better sales on the box means the "full army" would just be out sooner rather than later. So, perhaps 2 big releases, say, 3-4 months apart to get it done, as opposed to maybe 3 releases 6 months apart. It's hard to say if the "full kit" molds have already been cut or not. Obviously, if they are, the sunk-in costs are already high and you'd want to recoup as soon as possible. However, I don't know what GW's "turn time" is, so I don't know if the molds, for a prospective 2020 release would already be done or not. If they are, the paradigm I hypothesize might still be the case, but rather than "optimizing" a release time frame, it might just be to try to "optimize" for a prospective production/stock level.
All in all though, it could certainly be the case that none of that is the case, as I assuredly do not understand, in any real way, GW's marketing and release "strategy." In fact, the very plausibility of my paradigm is likely a big strike against it actually being the case.
So on the marketing and release strategy, here's my take on what happened. December 2017 got in preliminary results of the community survey which among whatever else may have been in there suggested that there is market for plastic Sisters that GW previously did not believe was there. We know that this must have been a big and immediately apparent point because the sketches shown in one of the Battle Sister Bulletins have a copyright of 2017. They would have been commissioned for a presentation or a test to see if there was enough material, ideas or capability of the designers to make the project happen. Whatever the case, the project was greenlit before March 2018 (or in that month at the latest) to allow for the announcement of incoming plastic Sisters late in the month.
You will also want to consider that GW prior to the community survey was prone to making fun of (plastic) Sisters in reaction to what's been going on in the wider community. Their social media presence at the time was fairly new and they went along with some of the jokes among their customer base. Notably after the survey, when they must have realized how many potential customers they hit by being in on the jokes, they ceased making them (that's specifically Sisters jokes). It should be noted that they haven't dropped this approach to marketing in general. You need only look at the way today's article on the new Sigmarine Questor is written to see they are trying to connect to the community in much the same way as they did back then. And this article is only the latest, but by far not the only one of its kind.
We can assume that this is the reason why GW chose to promote Sisters so far in advance. They don't do that for anyone else, and it very much looked like damage control to make Sisters players forget about the jokes and get excitement going. Crucially, GW also committed to releasing plastic Sisters. No ifs, no buts. The decision was made and they would not go back on it. The only point they did not commit to was the release in 2019, aiming for it but making no promises.
The coming army box is a way to be technically correct on the 2019 release without requiring the release of the full kits to make an army. Those are coming but it appears that it is much easier for GW to release a very limited number of sprues made for an army box within this short a time frame than to slot in a full army release. We've known from previous statements that anything approaching large projects take GW 18-24 months to realize, and with an announcement in March 2018 with not much time to prepare the project beforehand November 2019 is at the very low end of that figure. For another number, the lone Sister we already got out of this was released 15 months after the announcement.
GW has really long lead times. We as customers won't realistically see any change of what GW might decided based on what they learn from it any sooner than a year out, and that's in a general way. In terms of any single project there is no reason to assume that GW reacts in a shorter time than their stated 18-24 months. Like I said, damage control for Age of Sigmar in its most basic shape, the General's Handbook, made its way to the customers after a year, and being announced after nine months. And the original Age of Sigmar release was by all accounts a worst case scenario. I have severe doubts that a single, minor 40k line would warrant that kind of reaction, particularly at a time like this when 40k and GW in general couldn't be more successful. A slow selling Sisters line would by far not be ideal, but would hardly make a dent in GW's bottom line and in time recoup the cost and turn profitable.
For this reason I don't see why GW would use data from the boxed set release in any more than the usual sense. GW's release dates are set and we've only seen them change when outside factors completely out of GW's influence got involved, like shipping issues from China. A flexible Sisters release based on the army set's performance is not just atypical of GW's usual approach, it would also be disruptive of other releases that would have to switch release slots accoridngly. And, as mentioned, there is no potential for catastrophic failure or such critical success that GW would feel the need to leave their steady course.
Back to marketing, considering not everyone is on board with a boxed set of monopose models and limited options for the original release of the codex (I don't subscribe to Erjak's emphatic way of stating this, but I very much do to the point that having a codex without being able to buy and field a substantial portion of the units in it is neither objectively ideal nor will it go down well with a fair number of prospective players) I think the idea is that they've chosen to give out information about plastic Sisters that will not be part of the box to reassure people that a full and proper army release is on the way, even if it does not come quite as quickly as many of us would have hoped. And GW held back any information on the latter as long as possible and only saw their hand forced when pictures of the boxed set hit the Internet.
On the grimmer side, from out perspective anyway, GW gave no indication of any new options whatsoever. Which makes sense in the context of GW's usually tight lipped approach to upcoming releases. They are mortally afraid that some 3rd party garage operation might threaten the initial release of any new kit or kit with new options, and won't lose a word about such a thing until they are within a reasonable time from release and want to get people pumped about it. To a lesser degree this has happened even to things that we are familiar with and that GW told us would be faithfully adapted to plastic from the known old models. Many an article from the Battle Sisters Bulletin that revealed new information didn't actually reveal anything new at all but simply confirmed that what they promised earlier, faithful adaptation, worked out just as advertised. Add to that the occasional filler article and GW's marketing, the unprecedented glimpse into the design process they advertised in 2018, only took off in spring 2019 and has in larger parts been GW's adaptation of the idea of speaking without saying anything. All about evoking positive emotions without actually sharing information.
Geifer wrote: The coming army box is a way to be technically correct on the 2019 release without requiring the release of the full kits to make an army.
Well, I agree with this and already alluded to as much before.
Geifer wrote: GW has really long lead times. We as customers won't realistically see any change of what GW might decided based on what they learn from it any sooner than a year out, and that's in a general way. In terms of any single project there is no reason to assume that GW reacts in a shorter time than their stated 18-24 months. Like I said, damage control for Age of Sigmar in its most basic shape, the General's Handbook, made its way to the customers after a year, and being announced after nine months. And the original Age of Sigmar release was by all accounts a worst case scenario. I have severe doubts that a single, minor 40k line would warrant that kind of reaction, particularly at a time like this when 40k and GW in general couldn't be more successful. A slow selling Sisters line would by far not be ideal, but would hardly make a dent in GW's bottom line and in time recoup the cost and turn profitable.
For this reason I don't see why GW would use data from the boxed set release in any more than the usual sense. GW's release dates are set and we've only seen them change when outside factors completely out of GW's influence got involved, like shipping issues from China. A flexible Sisters release based on the army set's performance is not just atypical of GW's usual approach, it would also be disruptive of other releases that would have to switch release slots accoridngly. And, as mentioned, there is no potential for catastrophic failure or such critical success that GW would feel the need to leave their steady course.
Well, we can consider necessity in so far as necessity goes. That is to say, they might always follow some plan, until the time that they don't. Considering all that you wrote, in prelude, to how we are arriving to a plastic Sisters release, I think it is fair to say this is not exactly a typical release. So, to surmise that they must stay on the same course as any other normal release is tenuous at best. They might, they might not, there is no way for us to know. I simply stated something that seemed plausible to me, as a possibility. That is, that this could be a particularly atypical release and to rely on past typical GW behavior might not necessarily be the best predictor of how things will go here. Then again, it might well be, we can only just wait and see.
CURNOW wrote: Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it
As Kawauso says. I hate rebasing, but a uniform base size and type helps an army look coherent and uniform (ie... like an army).
The genestealer cult drives me batty with different base sizes for characters and even within units. That genestealers are 25, neophytes are 25 (except gunners), but acolytes are 32 just strikes me as either crazy or grand level of indifference to aesthetics and army composition on GW's part.
That they're clearly going for the same thing for Sisters (especially with the Hospitaler, but also the Mistress Superior) is really annoying.
You know, there's a company , IIRC, that makes adapter rings that increase base size. You just snap them over the base.
CURNOW wrote: Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it
As Kawauso says. I hate rebasing, but a uniform base size and type helps an army look coherent and uniform (ie... like an army).
The genestealer cult drives me batty with different base sizes for characters and even within units. That genestealers are 25, neophytes are 25 (except gunners), but acolytes are 32 just strikes me as either crazy or grand level of indifference to aesthetics and army composition on GW's part.
That they're clearly going for the same thing for Sisters (especially with the Hospitaler, but also the Mistress Superior) is really annoying.
You know, there's a company , IIRC, that makes adapter rings that increase base size. You just snap them over the base.
I'm aware. But since I don't leave bases bare plastic, it doesn't actually solve anything. I still have to redo the bases.
And it doesn't address anything about the intentionally mixed base sizes for GSC or what we're seeing for a random selection of Sisters models.
CURNOW wrote: Why are people so obsessed by base size ? There's no rules about it
As Kawauso says. I hate rebasing, but a uniform base size and type helps an army look coherent and uniform (ie... like an army).
The genestealer cult drives me batty with different base sizes for characters and even within units. That genestealers are 25, neophytes are 25 (except gunners), but acolytes are 32 just strikes me as either crazy or grand level of indifference to aesthetics and army composition on GW's part.
That they're clearly going for the same thing for Sisters (especially with the Hospitaler, but also the Mistress Superior) is really annoying.
You know, there's a company , IIRC, that makes adapter rings that increase base size. You just snap them over the base.
I'm aware. But since I don't leave bases bare plastic, it doesn't actually solve anything. I still have to redo the bases.
And it doesn't address anything about the intentionally mixed base sizes for GSC or what we're seeing for a random selection of Sisters models.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.
And your speculation is based on what? Literally every sc is full kit. If they wanted monoposes in sc plenty opportunities for that. They haven't.
My speculation is based on the fact they're making these monopose models then discontinuing them as soon as the box set is done. It doesn't make sense financially to create the designs, then the mold, then make a few thousand of them then chuck the lot in the bin. Also SC boxes were the first thing that were targeted in price hikes. I think they're looking at ways of getting people an SC box they can't or don't want to really spam a bunch of times to make an army. Another thing is that there is currently no SCCSM box. I mean they could throw the brand new models in the box with a Chaos Lord and some bikes, but why not use the new sprues you made that are sat idle rather than eating into the sales of your new models?
While it would be expensive for an individual, if GW knows they're only going to make 10000-40000 units, rather than making molds that can a million or more units, then they can produce the molds out of softer alloys, tens of thousands of dollars instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
If GW knows they're going to be doing more kits on their standard sized sprues, those molds can be recut either for another run or for something different... and when its completely exhausted they can sell it as a pure alloy scrap with their material certs to get more for it. That is to say the costs can pretty spread out.
At the end of the day once they have the digital assets it takes a relatively minimal effort to rework them into monopose or multipart. While there is something to looking at each as separate kits, they share a lot of their development costs. If you're making a pizza and you know you're going to have left over ingredients its easy enough to make another one... GW made the digital assets, probably with semi-poseable kits in mind, having someone go in dynamically pose up those assets, and slice them up for the mold... is a relatively minimal cost. They spent a year and half getting to the point that they have these kits coming out. Even if only one person was ever working on them at any given time, you're still looking at $100000 or more. I'd guess its probably closer to $300000. Rework of the digital models to make alternate kits, might be 3 or 4 weeks. $5000-$10000 of labor and another $10000-15000 for another mold... the profits they make selling these larger boxes pay for that after 350 units. From the past sell outs we know that many times when some set is limited in quantities, GW will produce and sell out of 35000-45000 units globally. These different sets will generate close to that in each regional market. GW sales people will push 10 of everything new on larger stores, but even if they can only sell the standard 2 copies of something that can generate 10000-20000 units of sales per region.... but if they make a new kit and then produce from that same core investment another kit... now they've just doubled their guaranteed sales... and doubled their opportunity to sell. All for less than 10% more. That's just to say its not crazy and the economics of it support what GW does.
With digital sculpting making the monopose and full kits will be very similar (the basic art asset will be done first before being posed, and then 'cut' for the spues),
and actually the monopose stuff is probably harder as the sculptor will have to fudge stuff that won't come out of the mould properly when with the full kit they'll be able to make a separate part in some cases
what might be a limiting factor is sprue production as making 3 different sprues is a lot faster than 20 (and if you use softer metals that are faster to machine you get a cheaper tool that doesn't last as long, but long enough for a short run box set)
and then producing different stuff is also slower as you've got to shut down the machine, change to tools, run start up tests etc
Is this still about the SC! thing? Because you've been wrong about that for like 3 pages now. AoS Stormcast SC! 1 used repurposed sprues from the starter set.
The repurposed sprues didn't even make a complete unit.
Sorry to drop in, but the 1st SC box for Stormcast had only one sprue from starter set/easy to construct box, that being the two retibutors. The liberators and prosecutors as well as lord celestant were normal production sprues. The newest SC! box, the Thunderhead brotherhood is the starter repacked wholecloth.
My speculation is based on the fact they're making these monopose models then discontinuing them as soon as the box set is done. It doesn't make sense financially to create the designs, then the mold, then make a few thousand of them then chuck the lot in the bin. Also SC boxes were the first thing that were targeted in price hikes. I think they're looking at ways of getting people an SC box they can't or don't want to really spam a bunch of times to make an army. Another thing is that there is currently no SCCSM box. I mean they could throw the brand new models in the box with a Chaos Lord and some bikes, but why not use the new sprues you made that are sat idle rather than eating into the sales of your new models? While it would be expensive for an individual, if GW knows they're only going to make 10000-40000 units, rather than making molds that can a million or more units, then they can produce the molds out of softer alloys, tens of thousands of dollars instead of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
If GW knows they're going to be doing more kits on their standard sized sprues, those molds can be recut either for another run or for something different... and when its completely exhausted they can sell it as a pure alloy scrap with their material certs to get more for it. That is to say the costs can pretty spread out.
At the end of the day once they have the digital assets it takes a relatively minimal effort to rework them into monopose or multipart. While there is something to looking at each as separate kits, they share a lot of their development costs. If you're making a pizza and you know you're going to have left over ingredients its easy enough to make another one... GW made the digital assets, probably with semi-poseable kits in mind, having someone go in dynamically pose up those assets, and slice them up for the mold... is a relatively minimal cost. They spent a year and half getting to the point that they have these kits coming out. Even if only one person was ever working on them at any given time, you're still looking at $100000 or more. I'd guess its probably closer to $300000. Rework of the digital models to make alternate kits, might be 3 or 4 weeks. $5000-$10000 of labor and another $10000-15000 for another mold... the profits they make selling these larger boxes pay for that after 350 units. From the past sell outs we know that many times when some set is limited in quantities, GW will produce and sell out of 35000-45000 units globally. These different sets will generate close to that in each regional market. GW sales people will push 10 of everything new on larger stores, but even if they can only sell the standard 2 copies of something that can generate 10000-20000 units of sales per region.... but if they make a new kit and then produce from that same core investment another kit... now they've just doubled their guaranteed sales... and doubled their opportunity to sell. All for less than 10% more. That's just to say its not crazy and the economics of it support what GW does.
That is not remotely like how mold manufacturing works
Also GW manufactures their own molds in house
Cost for a single mold is a couple hundred dollars of material/tooling plus labor
They are not manufacturing their molds on a 3 million dollar mori, its probably either a HAAS toolmaker or tormach (around $30-50k)
Also they wouldn't use different materials, its most likely all 6061 or 7075 aluminum, and they just make more molds, once you've done the setup, its cheap and easy, you just toss the molds after 20k units and throw in your next set. You'd use aluminium because it has excellent thermal conductivity so that the bottleneck (the machine making the sprues) doesn't have to slow down in order to let the mold cool as much. Their runs, even the big ones, are still too small to justify using exotic materials.
scrap value is negligible,, like ten to twenty dollars a mold
This has not always been the case, nor is the case atm in some cases. Since about 2009 som GW products have been made in China.
The Godsworn for example are flat out Made in China. Dread Ambull also bares the 'made in China' mark. While many are still 'Made in UK' the are an increasing number of them sporting 'Designed in UK, Made in China' variant. Rumor has it that if it's Colored Plastic, Easy to Build, or a starter box, it's not made at Nottingham either.
Forgeworld has had some Made in China since at least 2009.
Forgeworld has had some Made in China since at least 2009.
Employing the recasters who some have said were capable of a better job than Forgeworld?
I must admit that I am looking forward to this.
The box being easy build/ monopose/ whatever doesn't bother me. If I go the full hog with the main release, I'll build those so they don't look like the monopose.
I wonder what they look like against my old metals. Those have been stripped down ready for a repainting so rebasing on 32mm won't be an issue. If I kept them as previously painted I wouldn't have rebased them.
I've carried out some practice colour schemes with Contrast paints on the Anvil Gothic Armoured Nuns in preparation so the Order of the Valourous Heart will rise again.
I'll evenget around to building that Exorcist I've had sitting around for a while and use the spare parts on some of the cheap Conquest Rhinos that are sitting around unbuilt.
I’ve just ordered the last of the metal sisters I need to round out my force. I think I’ll paint the new ones in a different colour scheme to my old ones to keep them distinct. There’s no way I’m rebasing my metals, so they can just go on display on a shelf if people have issue with the 25mm bases.
alphaecho wrote: I wonder what they look like against my old metals.
Taller by a head. If you're rebasing and that bothers you it's a good time to consider putting a little something on their bases to give them a bit of extra height.
BaronIveagh wrote: Rumor has it that if it's Colored Plastic, Easy to Build, or a starter box, it's not made at Nottingham either.
Ah thats news to me, but it does make sense that they would send out some of the more limited edition/mainstream stuff with all the brexit nonsense going on.
This has not always been the case, nor is the case atm in some cases. Since about 2009 som GW products have been made in China.
The Godsworn for example are flat out Made in China. Dread Ambull also bares the 'made in China' mark. While many are still 'Made in UK' the are an increasing number of them sporting 'Designed in UK, Made in China' variant. Rumor has it that if it's Colored Plastic, Easy to Build, or a starter box, it's not made at Nottingham either.
If it has a card product, it gets the "made in China" tag--whether or not all of the product is.
alphaecho wrote: I wonder what they look like against my old metals.
Taller by a head. If you're rebasing and that bothers you it's a good time to consider putting a little something on their bases to give them a bit of extra height.
They'll be in the same army, not mixed in with plastic squads so not particularly an issue for me.
If it's going to be an unpainted, never fully built, never played with army then probably not.
If it's expensive but a player knows it will be built, fully painted and played with against all comers for years to come then likely yes.
I tend to look at items, not just GW models, past the pure raw material and production cost but what I'm going to do with it and the excitement and use I will derive from it.
There is a limit though, hence my not possessing Forgeworld Citadel walls, a Reaver Titan, A Warhound.........
If you just want minis and not the codex, probably not, as a full codex is likely to 'eat' a lot if not all of the discount a box set brings
if you want both probably yes, your going to get the codex anyway, and having these fixed pose sculpts will help bulk out your army cheaper than the (coming eventually) more posable separate units (and if your lucky they'll look slightly different too, like the deathguard did... but since they've not got mutations to play with that may not be the case)
So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
SC boxes are cheap because they are old kits that have basically earned themselves. It's not going to be even close to that ballmark for brand new box with 3 units, vehicle and couple characters plus codex. Wasnt' that codex even marketed as limited edition? Which would mark it up.
If it's around dark imperium I would say players got it lucky. GW loves to put up mark up on limited stuff. And they know this one will sell out anyway.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
Did you see the cost of their latest box? This has the same amount of minis, and a Ltd. Ed Codex.
People are going to have to sell off excess children to buy this box.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
If you believe this you'll be very disapointed, no way the box will be less then the starter box. Seeing how the sister box will have a much smaller print run then a starter box, so they need to sell them for more to get the inital investment back. Besides that it comes with a collector's edition codex, which when sold seperatly goes for twice the price of a normal codex. It has the datacards as well
Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
If you believe this you'll be very disapointed, no way the box will be less then the starter box. Seeing how the sister box will have a much smaller print run then a starter box, so they need to sell them for more to get the inital investment back. Besides that it comes with a collector's edition codex, which when sold seperatly goes for twice the price of a normal codex. It has the datacards as well
Have we established if this a "Collectors edition codex" or an "Exclusive" and what the difference is - I know its been asked on FB and ignored.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
If you believe this you'll be very disapointed, no way the box will be less then the starter box. Seeing how the sister box will have a much smaller print run then a starter box, so they need to sell them for more to get the inital investment back. Besides that it comes with a collector's edition codex, which when sold seperatly goes for twice the price of a normal codex. It has the datacards as well
Have we established if this a "Collectors edition codex" or an "Exclusive" and what the difference is - I know its been asked on FB and ignored.
look at the codex here, no text on the front is a clear indication that's a collector's edition
Bearing in mind Blood of the Phoenix was £140, I can see this boxed game reaching those heights, HOWEVER, BotP is also two complete armies that are crucially multipart. Monopose historically seems to end up on the cheaper side of GWs pricing, so I can see the box sitting closer at 100 than 150 in GBP.
The box certainly seems enticing, but I don't think it's £150 worth of enticement for me.
ghosty wrote: I can see it in the ballpark of 100 - 150.
Bearing in mind Blood of the Phoenix was £140, I can see this boxed game reaching those heights, HOWEVER, BotP is also two complete armies that are crucially multipart. Monopose historically seems to end up on the cheaper side of GWs pricing, so I can see the box sitting closer at 100 than 150 in GBP.
The box certainly seems enticing, but I don't think it's £150 worth of enticement for me.
just remember the sprues in the sister box seem to be made for the sister box and as such will raise the price
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
If you believe this you'll be very disapointed, no way the box will be less then the starter box. Seeing how the sister box will have a much smaller print run then a starter box, so they need to sell them for more to get the inital investment back. Besides that it comes with a collector's edition codex, which when sold seperatly goes for twice the price of a normal codex. It has the datacards as well
Have we established if this a "Collectors edition codex" or an "Exclusive" and what the difference is - I know its been asked on FB and ignored.
look at the codex here, no text on the front is a clear indication that's a collector's edition
And no, it’s not an abridged codex – it’s the fully updated new edition of Codex: Adepta Sororitas, with special cover art exclusive to this set!
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
If you believe this you'll be very disapointed, no way the box will be less then the starter box. Seeing how the sister box will have a much smaller print run then a starter box, so they need to sell them for more to get the inital investment back. Besides that it comes with a collector's edition codex, which when sold seperatly goes for twice the price of a normal codex. It has the datacards as well
Have we established if this a "Collectors edition codex" or an "Exclusive" and what the difference is - I know its been asked on FB and ignored.
look at the codex here, no text on the front is a clear indication that's a collector's edition
It says on that link that it’s the full codex, with special cover art exclusive to this set. This isn’t the £50 Limited Edition codex. That will likely have different art against justify the price (in GW’s mind)
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
Looking at comparable units it's about that with just models assuming no typical price hike with new kits. Add to that limited codex and card and no way it's cheaper. 120 if gw is being generous.
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
and they just released a >$200 eldar box didn't they?
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
and they just released a >$200 eldar box didn't they?
Which was full kits rather than set sprues containing everything and the Canoness' general release frame.
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
My guess is a ridiculous £250 (two hundred and fifty pounds), based on the terms and conditions of the big community survey this year.
Assume the worst and be positively surprised.
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
My guess is a ridiculous £250 (two hundred and fifty pounds), based on the terms and conditions of the big community survey this year.
Assume the worst and be positively surprised.
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
Interesting theory, sounds plausible. The manager at my local GW said he’d heard figures of £150 and £250, although even he thought £250 was a bit much
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
agreed, as long as this pricing rings true I'm getting this. Itll be an expensive rest of this month(Salamanders)and next for Sororitas.
Any ideas on the release schedule? besides the boxed set what units/models do you think make it on wave one?
I hope exorcists and immolators are first.
Racerguy180 wrote: agreed, as long as this pricing rings true I'm getting this. Itll be an expensive rest of this month(Salamanders)and next for Sororitas.
Any ideas on the release schedule? besides the boxed set what units/models do you think make it on wave one?
I hope exorcists and immolators are first.
None. That is, we don't have any idea when 'wave one' is.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
Have you got a linkage for this good news
I highly doubt anyone in China knows gak about the price of this set, well maybe the cost price or insured price for transport neither of which will reflect the actual price I suspect.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
Have you got a linkage for this good news
I highly doubt anyone in China knows gak about the price of this set, well maybe the cost price or insured price for transport neither of which will reflect the actual price I suspect.
I would suspect more shadowspear pricing. Though that is me being generous with GW. We will see if they kick me in the nards for my trust though. Your move GW.
Jadenim wrote: Shadowspear was also only £95 for two forces, plus mini-codices, so I still think it's going to be significantly cheaper than that. Obviously not if you're in the south lands, but that's a ridiculousness that we know about.
My guess is a ridiculous £250 (two hundred and fifty pounds), based on the terms and conditions of the big community survey this year.
Assume the worst and be positively surprised.
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
Makes me wonder how legally binding the "later this year" part is and if it means we'll see at least the regular Sisters box released before the end of the year because of it.
Why would we? They can claim the squad of 10 monopose Sisters costs 35 pounds if they want, even if they never sell them individually at that price point.
Voss wrote: Why would we? They can claim the squad of 10 monopose Sisters costs 35 pounds if they want, even if they never sell them individually at that price point.
Voss wrote: Why would we? They can claim the squad of 10 monopose Sisters costs 35 pounds if they want, even if they never sell them individually at that price point.
The sprues are mixed.
Yeah. Presumably they're not going to cut the boxed set Sisters off the sprue and send them out like bits sellers.
So the codex arrives, without a wave of new models outside of the new box we have already seen. Nothing new in the way of units so far. Lets assume we then have to wait till January (later?) to get new individual unit boxes.
What are the chances GW would put a new unit of new models or even an old unit with new options in the codex that we can't purchase for a few months or more?
With the no models no rules policy whats the likelihood that Sisters just aren't getting anything new or this codex is just limited to whats in the box and a 2.0 codex will come with the supposed new units sometime next year?
Really it's anyone's guess at this point. We're still waiting on the Impulsor, after all.
Seems like the stance has softened such that unreleased models "count" as long as there are pictures of them to go in a new codex.
dracpanzer wrote: So the codex arrives, without a wave of new models outside of the new box we have already seen. Nothing new in the way of units so far. Lets assume we then have to wait till January (later?) to get new individual unit boxes.
What are the chances GW would put a new unit of new models or even an old unit with new options in the codex that we can't purchase for a few months or more?
With the no models no rules policy whats the likelihood that Sisters just aren't getting anything new or this codex is just limited to whats in the box and a 2.0 codex will come with the supposed new units sometime next year?
I understand that there are units in the current SM codex that are only now coming out?
Racerguy180 wrote: agreed, as long as this pricing rings true I'm getting this. Itll be an expensive rest of this month(Salamanders)and next for Sororitas.
Any ideas on the release schedule? besides the boxed set what units/models do you think make it on wave one?
I hope exorcists and immolators are first.
Yeah it will be expensive. I need to get the Bonemen too. That moving chair is nuts. It'll be 4 big weeks of purchases- Dropped 100 plus $ on Bloodbowl Lizzies, will drop over 100 plus $ on Salamanders, will get the Sisters box and get enough Bone Men to build a AOS force.
Jadenim wrote: So current Start Collecting sets are £55, Dark Imperium is £95 and about twice the size in terms of models and includes the rule book. So I’m guessing £50-£60 depending on how much they want to discount it to bring in new players.
It's the same price as shadowspear. China already spoiled the pricing. Idk why people are still guesstimating when we've known literally everything about the box set for over a week.
If this turns out to be true it's going to make the price of Blood of the Phoenix seem even more baffling.
dracpanzer wrote: So the codex arrives, without a wave of new models outside of the new box we have already seen. Nothing new in the way of units so far. Lets assume we then have to wait till January (later?) to get new individual unit boxes.
What are the chances GW would put a new unit of new models or even an old unit with new options in the codex that we can't purchase for a few months or more?
With the no models no rules policy whats the likelihood that Sisters just aren't getting anything new or this codex is just limited to whats in the box and a 2.0 codex will come with the supposed new units sometime next year?
I understand that there are units in the current SM codex that are only now coming out?
Try to build a list out of plastic sisters(or even retail metal) using the kits that are out with the box set.. Then try to build a space marine list without an impulsor.
Voss wrote: Why would we? They can claim the squad of 10 monopose Sisters costs 35 pounds if they want, even if they never sell them individually at that price point.
at the time of their worldwide release later this year.
Does imply the prizes are kits that are released _this_ year. Not next year.
28.12 for preorder would fulfill that statement though.
And given the mention of the two months, I'd wager nothing until the final technically-still-February preorder slot, and the rest stretched out over March.
Yeah they certainly have been the last couple of years, but their pricing structure seems a little more difficult to guess now. Looking at last year's, they were £100 and 130 Euros, so if they are 145 Euro's, then I'm expecting a UK price rise as well.
Ratius wrote: Why? Sisters players have been waiting what 20 years? 2-3 more months wont break your backs
The box isn't a playable army, nor will it be available by the time the things needed to make it a playable army become available. It basically has to be purchased in duplicates blindly or set on the shelf for a couple of months.
Ratius wrote: Why? Sisters players have been waiting what 20 years? 2-3 more months wont break your backs
The box isn't a playable army, nor will it be available by the time the things needed to make it a playable army become available. It basically has to be purchased in duplicates blindly or set on the shelf for a couple of months.
So... buy the box and paint it. By the time you're done the rest will be out.
My only concern at this point is how full the codex will be and if there will be any new units.
Ratius wrote: Why? Sisters players have been waiting what 20 years? 2-3 more months wont break your backs
No it just makes it impossible to play the new models at 2 HUGE events in North america and forces us to deal with 'dur hurr, waitng is sisters! dur hur!' people for an extra few months.
Ratius wrote: Why? Sisters players have been waiting what 20 years? 2-3 more months wont break your backs
The box isn't a playable army, nor will it be available by the time the things needed to make it a playable army become available. It basically has to be purchased in duplicates blindly or set on the shelf for a couple of months.
So... buy the box and paint it. By the time you're done the rest will be out.
My only concern at this point is how full the codex will be and if there will be any new units.
Why would I waste time painting that when I've got to finish painting the metal models I had to get off of ebay to actually go to LVO or Adepticon?
I could find no such thing in the link provided. Actually, I could find nothing about the Sisters at all. No price of the box, no date for later release. Wrong link?
(I hate that forum)
I hope those hardcover HH omnibus editions are just regular basic hardbacks that will be part of their regular basic range. It'd be nice to compress the shelf space they use up, but I can't just pull hundreds of quid out of my backside to buy them all rapidly if they're going to have limited availability, and the last thing we need are more superdupersnowflake editions of things.
Does anyone else miss the classic BL hardbacks with simple Library-style buckram covers? Everything the same size, with a uniform spine style, nice and hard wearing. Sigh.
And given the mention of the two months, I'd wager nothing until the final technically-still-February preorder slot, and the rest stretched out over March.
That would be extremely disappointing if true.
GW generally don't release new army ranges in December or January, so I don't know that that is much of a surprise.
I think it's fairly unlikely Psychic Awakening Book 2 will hit before March too.
(And also yet another total rework of the faith system, yawn)
If true that's a HUUUUUGE buuf. Going from "1 to 6 shots", to "3 to 9 shots", with a distribution more centered on the average (which is, now, 6).
But it's a random user on the bad forum so...
And given the mention of the two months, I'd wager nothing until the final technically-still-February preorder slot, and the rest stretched out over March.
That would be extremely disappointing if true.
GW generally don't release new army ranges in December or January, so I don't know that that is much of a surprise.
I think it's fairly unlikely Psychic Awakening Book 2 will hit before March too.
January they do (Gloomspite Gitz were January this year).
(And also yet another total rework of the faith system, yawn)
If true that's a HUUUUUGE buuf. Going from "1 to 6 shots", to "3 to 9 shots", with a distribution more centered on the average (which is, now, 6).
But it's a random user on the bad forum so...
They stated they are going to make the exorcist less random, I can see 3d3 S7 ap-3 not d6 damage shots happening
if they increase the number of shots there's no way you're keeping that d6 damage, they'll probably move it into more anti-transport/medium armor territory and (hopefully) buff the melta which is our mainstay
(And also yet another total rework of the faith system, yawn)
If true that's a HUUUUUGE buuf. Going from "1 to 6 shots", to "3 to 9 shots", with a distribution more centered on the average (which is, now, 6). But it's a random user on the bad forum so...
They stated they are going to make the exorcist less random, I can see 3d3 S7 ap-3 not d6 damage shots happening
if they increase the number of shots there's no way you're keeping that d6 damage, they'll probably move it into more anti-transport/medium armor territory and (hopefully) buff the melta which is our mainstay
I would just like to point out that a Contemptor motis dreadnaught has 4 S9 AP-4 d6 damage shots, hitting on 2s rerolling, no penalty for moving and shooting and doesn't degrade at all until 2 wounds while only being 1 toughness lower and 2 wounds less than an exorcist(with a 5+ native invul and a 6+ FNP. And overwatch on a 5+) for just 43 points more than an Exorcist. And that's ignoring things like easy access to repair, way better character support and EXCELLENT stratagem support. Oh, and it's also considered a borderline option for competitive lists.
3d3 S8 AP-4 D6 damage shots is not outside of the realm of possibility, especially if SoB vehicles still don't get conviction traits or are impossible/difficult to target with stratagems and AoFs like they are now.
And given the mention of the two months, I'd wager nothing until the final technically-still-February preorder slot, and the rest stretched out over March.
That would be extremely disappointing if true.
GW generally don't release new army ranges in December or January, so I don't know that that is much of a surprise.
I think it's fairly unlikely Psychic Awakening Book 2 will hit before March too.
January they do (Gloomspite Gitz were January this year).
But last week of Jan wasn't it? I'd kind of consider that a margin of error tbh.
Grundz wrote: They stated they are going to make the exorcist less random, I can see 3d3 S7 ap-3 not d6 damage shots happening
Playing 40k when your entire army has less ranged firepower than a couple of predator tanks. The sisters really need some new unit choices.
There are literally only 3 guns in all of SoB that can hit the other deployment zone in Dawn of War deployment without moving(fancy way of saying >24" The exorcist missile launcher, the heavy bolter, and Hunter Killer missiles. Space marines have that same number of different long range weapons on JUST the Invictor tactical warsuit.
They could up the exorcist to flat 9 shots and we still wouldn't be all that great at range.
They could up the exorcist to flat 9 shots and we still wouldn't be all that great at range.
Ive been running tank sisters to good effect, the first turn is a hailstorm of exo shots and hunter killers to scalpel out what I don't want to deal with, then their job is mostly done.
The exorcist is /excellent/ FOR THE POINTS, there are plenty of shootier, more expensive models out there, but for its points, it is a big enough threat with rolling good that your opponent should probably deal with it, and its tougher than it should be for its cost. people get laser focused on how X Y or Z is better for 50% more points. Its a pretty tough backline vehicle that can do some serious damage if the rolls are right
if exo's fire 3d3 shots with the current statline in the new book we're getting into " take sisters just for that tank" territory, every list will have 3 of them and I really can't imagine the purpose of things like dominion sisters in a repressor when you're getting an average of 4-5 melta shots across the entire board every turn for half the points
They could up the exorcist to flat 9 shots and we still wouldn't be all that great at range.
Ive been running tank sisters to good effect, the first turn is a hailstorm of exo shots and hunter killers to scalpel out what I don't want to deal with, then their job is mostly done.
The exorcist is /excellent/ FOR THE POINTS, there are plenty of shootier, more expensive models out there, but for its points, it is a big enough threat with rolling good that your opponent should probably deal with it, and its tougher than it should be for its cost. people get laser focused on how X Y or Z is better for 50% more points. Its a pretty tough backline vehicle that can do some serious damage if the rolls are right
if exo's fire 3d3 shots with the current statline in the new book we're getting into " take sisters just for that tank" territory, every list will have 3 of them and I really can't imagine the purpose of things like dominion sisters in a repressor when you're getting an average of 4-5 melta shots across the entire board every turn for half the points
I want to preface this by saying I don't give a damn about how soup uses anything so long as it's still better in SoB.
The exorcist is excellent for it's points IF YOU'RE LUCKY. My exorcists do so little damage that I end up with them all still alive at the end of a lot of games because my opponent's realize they don't matter.
That is the nature of D6 shots and why, when talking competitive viabilty, exorcists are a...necessary evil, not something you can always feel confident about.
Unfortunately in actuality a contemptor mortis ends up being more resiliant than an exorcist (5++, no degradation, 6+++ > 6++ +1T +2 Wounds), does more damage than an exorcist (4 S9 Ap-4 D6 shots hitting on 2s rerolling vs D6 S8 Ap-4 shots hitting on threes, the contemptor does more damage against T8 even if the exorcist rolls 6 shots), and is far more mobile and reliable than the exorcist (no penalty to move and shoot, doesn't really degrade, guaranteed number of shots) that even adjusting for the exorcist being 40pts cheaper, the mortis still looks better on paper.
And that's in a vacuum with just their CTs. With full army support it's even more in favor of the contemptor because Vessels+the 4++ bubble can't compare to all the support options space marines have.
3d3 shots for 125pts on the exorcists current chassis might be OP, but with Ironhands leviathan's, Sky attack Eldar, Suprise Motherfether! GSC, and Leafblower Guard kicking around, I doubt it. It absolutely wouldn't be good enough to give up doctrine rules, that's for sure.
(Unbuffed IH Contemptor with dual twinlas does 9.05 damage to a rhino chassis and a repulsor chassis. Unbuffed Exorcist with 3d3 shots averages 9.34 damage against rhinos and 7 damage vs a repulsor. Factor in IH having better army support and the contemptor having better mobility and I would say that's pretty close to correct. Maybe go up to 135-140.)
And given the mention of the two months, I'd wager nothing until the final technically-still-February preorder slot, and the rest stretched out over March.
That would be extremely disappointing if true.
GW generally don't release new army ranges in December or January, so I don't know that that is much of a surprise.
I think it's fairly unlikely Psychic Awakening Book 2 will hit before March too.
January they do (Gloomspite Gitz were January this year).
But last week of Jan wasn't it? I'd kind of consider that a margin of error tbh.
No. The first week went up for preorder on the 5th Jan, and the rest on the 12th. Maggotkin of Nurgle was the 6th and the 13th Jan 2018 too, looking back at their release.
Racerguy180 wrote: agreed, as long as this pricing rings true I'm getting this. Itll be an expensive rest of this month(Salamanders)and next for Sororitas.
Any ideas on the release schedule? besides the boxed set what units/models do you think make it on wave one?
I hope exorcists and immolators are first.
Ok, the only things we've seen previewed in the blog (insofar as I remember) that aren't in the box are as follows:
- Heavy Weapons Sisters (Long time ago now, full render previewed, nothing more)
- Demious (am I getting that right?) Pattern Rhino bits, (Long ago now, only small sections, additional info notable in its absence)
- Sister Hospitalier (Full render, around the same time as the Cannoness)
- The Rhino Upgrade Sprue (recent, but full kit previewed as well as painted version)
From that I would guess that we will see, at the bare minimum; the Rhino upgrade kit (or Rhino with upgrade kit) at the same time as the box (or soon after).
Hopefully we will also see the Hospitalier at the same time & possibly a Retributors Box, though that would be odd if it dropped before a Rank and File sisters box.
I doubt much else, as I don't think they would drop anything without milking they hype first (esp if it were a completely new unit) , but, well; I live in hope.
(And also yet another total rework of the faith system, yawn)
If true that's a HUUUUUGE buuf. Going from "1 to 6 shots", to "3 to 9 shots", with a distribution more centered on the average (which is, now, 6).
But it's a random user on the bad forum so...
They stated they are going to make the exorcist less random, I can see 3d3 S7 ap-3
Alternately they could just be Heavy 6 and not waste everyone's time.
GW really needs to break off with these heavily weighted pointless dice rolls.
Alternately they could just be Heavy 6 and not waste everyone's time.
GW really needs to break off with these heavily weighted pointless dice rolls.
Yes, this!
The exorcist is the one vehicle in the game that actually should NOT be just Heavy 6 or w/e. The whole fluff behind the exorcist is that the Admech tune them so infrequently that they're really temperamental. They were D6 shots all the way back to 5th edition I believe.
Try as far back as 3rd. The point is the Adepta Sororitas needs reliable longer range firepower. No one wants to pay 150 points for a single weapon tank that fires once each round for 2 plus rounds.
Voss wrote: Alternately they could just be Heavy 6 and not waste everyone's time.
GW really needs to break off with these heavily weighted pointless dice rolls.
Let's compromise between the “Not too many randomness” people and the “I love to roll dice people” people.
Make the exorcist 6D1 shots!
Alternately they could just be Heavy 6 and not waste everyone's time.
GW really needs to break off with these heavily weighted pointless dice rolls.
Yes, this!
The exorcist is the one vehicle in the game that actually should NOT be just Heavy 6 or w/e. The whole fluff behind the exorcist is that the Admech tune them so infrequently that they're really temperamental. They were D6 shots all the way back to 5th edition I believe.
Further, it's been 1d6 shots since codex Witchh7nters which predates 5th. It's one of its defining and endearing character flaws.
one is random enough, 2 is less so, 3 is just painful. I mean if I could launch meltamissles with marines, I'd pay waaaaay more points than I currently do.
I just hope that the new Exorcist model looks as dope as the current one. if it has a missle modeled launching, I would die.
The sisters look amazing, and im totally psyched they have arcos in the set. Im sorely tempted but, as with all other big boxes of multiple kits, id be extremely worried about the condition of the details on the models once I received them. Ive lost count of the number of times ive had to have stuff replaced because of crushed faces, mutliple flattened rivets etc
I am disappointed that there are no more bulletin, as there is still plenty of things to be previewed. All the rules, for instance. We didn't get any preview on the rules. And the box isn't released yet, not even in preorder.
I'm fully in agreement with Pendix despite your sarcasm toward him.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I am disappointed that there are no more bulletin, as there is still plenty of things to be previewed. All the rules, for instance. We didn't get any preview on the rules. And the box isn't released yet, not even in preorder.
I'm fully in agreement with Pendix despite your sarcasm toward him.
Rules and more previews won't kick in until they put the Sisters on pre-order it seems.
I'm fully in agreement with Pendix despite your sarcasm toward him.
Thankyou! And thankyou to everyone else who gets that being disappointed in the end/hiatus (or whatever) of the bulletin isn't some non-nonsensical consumer conditioned knee-jerk response.
Huh. I guess I got mixed up. But since it's been more than 2 weeks since the 7th, I think we can say they're not doing anymore.
The last bulletin came out a week early due to the leaks. I think that has thrown off the schedule. We had one on sep 30th and one on Oct 7th. If we assume that should have been the 14th we can expect another one next Monday.
I agree with Chikout, GW probably had a schedule for the bulletins, so we might see a bulletin next monday, if not then we're probably done with the sister bulletins
Huh. I guess I got mixed up. But since it's been more than 2 weeks since the 7th, I think we can say they're not doing anymore.
The last bulletin came out a week early due to the leaks. I think that has thrown off the schedule. We had one on sep 30th and one on Oct 7th. If we assume that should have been the 14th we can expect another one next Monday.
Was just looking at the bulletins yesterday and came to the same conclusion. There's plenty for them left to show - even within the things we know are coming: arco-flagellants from their full box, sprue pics from full kits, rules, and then of course new units, if any. There's at least this alternative build of the penitent engine. I'd expect previews to continue up until the release of the full range, not stopping them a bit before this one starter box. Either that, or save it up for more frequent previews and updates closer to the release (of the full range).
andrewm9 wrote: Try as far back as 3rd. The point is the Adepta Sororitas needs reliable longer range firepower. No one wants to pay 150 points for a single weapon tank that fires once each round for 2 plus rounds.
Necrons say "hi". They don't have any good AT that doesn't roll d6 or d3 for shots.
And the Ogre Blood Bowl team shows up in another image that shows them releasing on 14 Dec, wprking backwards that puts Sisters on the 30th of November, with preorders the week prior.
The sisters look amazing, and im totally psyched they have arcos in the set. Im sorely tempted but, as with all other big boxes of multiple kits, id be extremely worried about the condition of the details on the models once I received them. Ive lost count of the number of times ive had to have stuff replaced because of crushed faces, mutliple flattened rivets etc
Getting damaged models in the box AKA "Winning the GW Lottery"?
I've never not had them just send me a whole new sprue, giving me two models for the price of one, one of hwich i have to repair.
And the Ogre Blood Bowl team shows up in another image that shows them releasing on 14 Dec, wprking backwards that puts Sisters on the 30th of November, with preorders the week prior.
Whoa, whoa, scroll up, who/what are Lady Harrow’s Mournflight?
We get another Beastgrave warband in November?
andrewm9 wrote: Try as far back as 3rd. The point is the Adepta Sororitas needs reliable longer range firepower. No one wants to pay 150 points for a single weapon tank that fires once each round for 2 plus rounds.
Necrons say "hi". They don't have any good AT that doesn't roll d6 or d3 for shots.
And the Ogre Blood Bowl team shows up in another image that shows them releasing on 14 Dec, wprking backwards that puts Sisters on the 30th of November, with preorders the week prior.
Mind you, the ogre team name is completely incorrect, so relying on these posts as indicative of anything isn't the best bet.
And the Ogre Blood Bowl team shows up in another image that shows them releasing on 14 Dec, wprking backwards that puts Sisters on the 30th of November, with preorders the week prior.
Whoa, whoa, scroll up, who/what are Lady Harrow’s Mournflight?
We get another Beastgrave warband in November?
And the Ogre Blood Bowl team shows up in another image that shows them releasing on 14 Dec, wprking backwards that puts Sisters on the 30th of November, with preorders the week prior.
Mind you, the ogre team name is completely incorrect, so relying on these posts as indicative of anything isn't the best bet.
And we know that's happened before. See: the Eel rides from the fish elves.
I'm not saying it's 100% garunteed to be correct, but that has been discussed and dismissed as proof of fakery.
Either way feels pretty juicy as news goes to me. Everyone take it with salt currently.
As well didn't see it mentioned here but the cost of the Sisters box looked to be 210 not sure if that is USD or not but that figure was floating out there with info involved along with this release schedule.
Just played a tournament at a local GW shop and the owner of the place could not inform me about the price of the new Sisters box, which was definitely not €179 nor €181. Make of that what you want . For reference/price conversions, Blood of the Phoenix is €180 here.
(And also yet another total rework of the faith system, yawn)
If true that's a HUUUUUGE buuf. Going from "1 to 6 shots", to "3 to 9 shots", with a distribution more centered on the average (which is, now, 6).
But it's a random user on the bad forum so...
Ooh that is nice. I hope they do the same thing to all other variable shot weapons.
1 d6 shots and 1 d6 damage is a crap system that hurts heavy weapons.
I think based on recent pricing we can expect anything from £140-180 based on recent pricing. Would like to be pleasantly surprised but csnt see it somehow
Don't look like a waste of space to me. I like them a lot, they are original faction unique little additions that will appeal to the majority of people who buy GW products. (Not gamers)
We don't know that the Cherubs will be "useless" either. I could see a unit unlocking a Simulacrum once per game for a bonus, or a Canoness taking one for extra attacks (like an Attack Squig bonus).
And at minimum they have a utility in Retributor squads, and can make for some decent objective markers.
Hollow wrote: Don't look like a waste of space to me. I like them a lot, they are original faction unique little additions that will appeal to the majority of people who buy GW products. (Not gamers)
They're certainly not unique.
Marines already have armourium cherubs, for example; the plastic Librarian has a little friend; the Inquisition had three different models a decade and a half ago, back before they were purged.
ClockworkZion wrote:And no sight of the Exorcist or Immolator kits. I'm wondering if they're holding off on showing those because they'll be a wave 2 release later.
Perhaps that 'final climactic installment' coming in two weeks will bring the firepower.
A.T. wrote:The space marine armorium cherub. 5 points to shoot a heavy bolter one extra time per game.
I still don't understand how a baby carrying a melta bomb makes you shoot twice.
- Symbol/text/loud speaker cherubs, maybe act of faith bonus, maybe moral bonus
- Censer cherub, ???
- Simulacrum Imperialis key-holder, ???
- Ammo cherub, like in the marine codex? What do those do exactly?
Captain Joystick wrote: 5 points, discard the cherub to allow one model in the unit to shoot twice.
Can we use it as ablative wound instead? Because for that cost you get a whole new heavy bolter! And Sisters don't get access to the STUPID NEW WEAPON THAT MAKE CLASSIC, ICONIC WEAPONS LOOK STUPIDLY WEAK LIKE THE STUPID NEW CSM ROTOR CANNON OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED!
Yeah I'm salty about those stupid weapons.
I for one welcome our new cherub overlords.
Though, of all the sidekick type models we end up with, I'd rather snotlings become as prominent as nurglings, not Cherubs. Or brimstone horrors.
It would be fun to have a T'au army and proxy Cherubs as drones. Or as the drones in Blackstone Fortress. The horror of never ending flying babies that slowly get stronger and stronger.
Captain Joystick wrote: I still don't understand how a baby carrying a melta bomb makes you shoot twice.
And that's why, Captain, you'll never make Chapter Master.
I ask not for glory and titles. Only the opportunity to build mighty fortresses in His name.
If you'd played Inquisitor, you'd know that a space marine can do far more damage by throwing a grenade at someone than he would by firing his weapon (though it's lessened dramatically if he pulls the pin out first). Grenade and a baby? Now we're talking.
Given that Armorium cherubs already exist for Space Marine Devastator Squads, it's probable that the Sisters Armorium Cherubs will do the same thing (plus aren't Retributors the Sisters Devastator equivalent?).
Still, I'm interested to see what the other cherub benefits will do, and whether they'll be sold separately or included with the kit they go with.
Now, if only GW would make Watchers in the Dark...
Captain Joystick wrote: 5 points, discard the cherub to allow one model in the unit to shoot twice.
Can we use it as ablative wound instead? Because for that cost you get a whole new heavy bolter! And Sisters don't get access to the STUPID NEW WEAPON THAT MAKE CLASSIC, ICONIC WEAPONS LOOK STUPIDLY WEAK LIKE THE STUPID NEW CSM ROTOR CANNON OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED!
Yeah I'm salty about those stupid weapons.
To be fair, Imperial Fist Heavy Bolters make the CSM Reaper Chaincannon look stupidly weak, so it all works out (...?)
Anyways, super excited to have a horde of Cherubim be my counts-as Seraphim, because why not send a horde of flying babies at your enemies?
Is , on itself, pretty horrible for have this guys go "We can vat-grown basically everything we want but you know, angels were always painted as babies, so let just make babies to mutilate them into lobotomized cyborgservitude"
Clearly it's the Halloween edition, as why else would it be about vat-grown non-sentient creepy cyber-babies?
Seriously, of everything in 40K, it's the Cherubim that freak me out.
Agreed. I’m not sure if it’s be worse if they weren’t vat grown either, from a horror stand point.
The bit that they've missed out mentioning is who they're cloned from. Servitoring your own clone means you can be chastised by the innocent version of you, backed up by a chorus of saints.
Should you become a saint, your genetic material is going to be popular given it's already been made ready for cherubim status and self sanctified.
So we've a load of Imperial saints, being reborn as religious icons during the psychic awakening - now lets also remember how the Haemonculus Coven get their power...
I wouldn't say that. We learned that theres several plastic kits (anywhere from 3-8) that have yet to be previewed that are coming relative soon.
This ^
This was their way to tease the future of the sisters of battle stuff without revealing a ton. Also, I'm glad that there's a good variety of cherubs and they're not all baby-faced. The one with the gas mask looks pretty legit.
I wouldn't say that. We learned that theres several plastic kits (anywhere from 3-8) that have yet to be previewed that are coming relative soon.
I'd love to see the logic behind that concludes with that number range. And the 'soon,' as next month is very clearly just the box set.
you’ll be able to read all about in the full, new codex, that’s included in the hotly anticipated Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set, available next month.
I mean, servo skulls are a thing so if you want you can say they are real devout babies. Though I doubt they'd be their babies as they aren't supposed to be with men right ? Least that was what I thought.
Ah, ok. Well they will have plenty of men about coming around with my guard. Though it'll feel strange the women will be tougher but in the IoM, bodies are bodies and everyone has to hold the line, for the emperor of course.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I mean, servo skulls are a thing so if you want you can say they are real devout babies. Though I doubt they'd be their babies as they aren't supposed to be with men right ? Least that was what I thought.
throughout history, people who should not have had sex... have had. And children have resulted.
Of course but I mean life is hardly good for adults in 40k, why would it ever be for unexpected children ? The higher up you are doesn't even promise a better chance for long life or happiness. Which is really where the grimdark in 40k remains, in the details.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: throughout history, people who should not have had sex... have had. And children have resulted.
Yeah, but rarely throughout history have sterilization been so easy, and moral qualms about it so low, as during the 41th millennium. If the Ecclesiarchy doesn't want SoB babies, they can avoid SoB babies easily.
I mean, can a pregnant Sister fit into her armor? Is she fit for duty? Seems like a problem to me, and not one the Ecclesiarchy would overlook!
I don't know if I can get behind the modern wing design. There's something off about it. They look jarring.
As pointed out that relic chest is interesting. Maybe we get a model for a funeral procession like what was in the previewed artwork some time ago? Bonus points if it's actually a special character like... Saint Katherine, was it? Too tired to remember right now. I want to make an army out of iving saints and dead saints.
Geifer wrote: Maybe we get a model for a funeral procession like what was in the previewed artwork some time ago? Bonus points if it's actually a special character like... Saint Katherine, was it? Too tired to remember right now. I want to make an army out of iving saints and dead saints.
Something like the old Bretonnian Battle Pilgrims or the Tomb Kings Caskets of Souls would be cool.
Geifer wrote: Maybe we get a model for a funeral procession like what was in the previewed artwork some time ago? Bonus points if it's actually a special character like... Saint Katherine, was it? Too tired to remember right now. I want to make an army out of iving saints and dead saints.
Something like the old Bretonnian Battle Pilgrims or the Tomb Kings Caskets of Souls would be cool.
Good one. Yeah, the Brettonian relic is pretty much what I had in mind. Relic flanked by faithful that then provides the army with bonuses within a certain range. Given we're now getting a Mortarch for AoS with his personal diorama it's not even out of the question for GW to do something similar for Sisters. At least I hope so.
As pointed out that relic chest is interesting. Maybe we get a model for a funeral procession like what was in the previewed artwork some time ago? Bonus points if it's actually a special character like... Saint Katherine, was it? Too tired to remember right now. I want to make an army out of iving saints and dead saints.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The Cherubs look like pretty complicated models, more than just one piece sprue fillers like servo skulls.
I'll hold to my prediction of a box of cherubs.
My guess is they'll be part of the various kits. At least that's what I infer from the phrasing: "set to become a common sight across the upcoming Adepta Sororitas range. [...] they represent wonderfully macabre additions to many of the kits." Could mean you buy them separately and can use them across the range to supplement the various units, but they seem to be linked to specific boxes anyway ("The Armorium Cherubs of the Retributor Squads").
A relic procession type deal sounds quite feasible; after seeing that art it would surprise me to not get some kind of related set.
Here's hoping the last bulletin will just consist of a bucketload of pictures providing sneak peeks for everything we haven't seen yet. I doubt they'll show off everything in detail (save that for closer to release), but a little part of everything coming up to allow us to see whether and how many new things may yet arrive.
silverstu wrote: The cherubs are excellent. I always thought it was a shame they stopped adding individual rippers to the Nid kits- quite jealous of the cherubs..
Every faction should have their own little charactefull mini pets. Not need to put them everywhere to not go overboad with them... but imagine a little Wall-E Tau Drone...
I wouldn't say that. We learned that theres several plastic kits (anywhere from 3-8) that have yet to be previewed that are coming relative soon.
I'd love to see the logic behind that concludes with that number range. And the 'soon,' as next month is very clearly just the box set.
you’ll be able to read all about in the full, new codex, that’s included in the hotly anticipated Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set, available next month.
There are 9 Cherubs shown. None of them are duplicates. We haven't seen any of them associated with any kits that we know about and we know they don't come in next month's box. Two are called out as being part of a Retributors kit. I doubt more than 3 would come with any single kit, and one or two are more likely. So unless they're releasing a kit of JUST Cherubs (which they won't) the indication is that they belong to between 3 and 8 plastic kits we haven't seen yet. Since the models are painted (probably to appear in the codex) its likely that their associated units are also ready to go, and that we will see them soon. My guess is before March of next year.
Yeah, like Galas said, I hope you get the rippers back Silverstu! It's pretty cool to have the small critters going around!
Most faction already have, Imperium have cherubs and servoskulls (DA have watchers, guards could get mascot dogs I guess), orks have grots and squigs, tyranids have rippers and could get similar mini-tyranids, DE have a tiny dragon iirc, and got a whole bunch of weird xenos so could get more, Genecult got ministealers iirc, Chaos has nurgling (could get unaligned familiars too), CWE don't have anything yet but I guess could get something, Tau don't have anything yet but could get mini-drones or cute xenos auxiliary
Automatically Appended Next Post: Good thinking Jake. However what is possible is that all the kits in the box are box-exclusive versions, with later versions being slightly more posable and with cherubs.
Some of those 3 to 8 kits may be just like the kits in the box with just a few extra options.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Yeah, like Galas said, I hope you get the rippers back Silverstu! It's pretty cool to have the small critters going around!
Most faction already have, Imperium have cherubs and servoskulls (DA have watchers, guards could get mascot dogs I guess), orks have grots and squigs, tyranids have rippers and could get similar mini-tyranids, DE have a tiny dragon iirc, and got a whole bunch of weird xenos so could get more, Genecult got ministealers iirc, Chaos has nurgling (could get unaligned familiars too), CWE don't have anything yet but I guess could get something, Tau don't have anything yet but could get mini-drones or cute xenos auxiliary
Automatically Appended Next Post: Good thinking Jake. However what is possible is that all the kits in the box are box-exclusive versions, with later versions being slightly more posable and with cherubs.
Some of those 3 to 8 kits may be just like the kits in the box with just a few extra options.
That is 100% possible, and even likely that some of these are for more fleshed out versions of the kits in the box. I wasn't saying that it was 3-8 new units (although I do think we'll see at least one or two new units). But I wanted to bring it up because theres still a lot of people (here, but also on FB and in other places) stubbornly convinced that this will be the only Sisters release, or that there won't be any more releases in the near future. Theres a strong narrative of "GW is releasing just this box and we'll have to wait SOOOO long to play the army", but its pretty clear that more kits are on the way soon and the wait should be pretty short.
Maybe it's going to be like Space Marines and we'll have to wait for a few month though. Can you imagine? Waiting for several month? Impossibru! How could we survive for so long!
/sarcasm
They seem to be releasing the entire range of new Skeleton people in a single week, so maybe you'll get lucky and the entire new SoB line* will hit in a single week next year?
*Not including the box that's about to come out, that is.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The Cherubs look like pretty complicated models, more than just one piece sprue fillers like servo skulls.
I'll hold to my prediction of a box of cherubs.
My guess is they'll be part of the various kits. At least that's what I infer from the phrasing: "set to become a common sight across the upcoming Adepta Sororitas range. [...] they represent wonderfully macabre additions to many of the kits." Could mean you buy them separately and can use them across the range to supplement the various units, but they seem to be linked to specific boxes anyway ("The Armorium Cherubs of the Retributor Squads").
A relic procession type deal sounds quite feasible; after seeing that art it would surprise me to not get some kind of related set.
Here's hoping the last bulletin will just consist of a bucketload of pictures providing sneak peeks for everything we haven't seen yet. I doubt they'll show off everything in detail (save that for closer to release), but a little part of everything coming up to allow us to see whether and how many new things may yet arrive.
There's not really much point to save things for later, 2 weeks from monday will be the 11th, the box goes on preorder the 23rd and as soon as it does everything will be spoiled. That's less than 2 weeks, not really worth playing coy imho.
StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote: This makes me want to model a seraphim without wings just being carried by a flock of robo-babies
That's… old-school Celestine ^^.
(Okay, it was just two Cherubims and they were just carrying her robe/cape, not Celestine herself, but still close enough)
StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote: This makes me want to model a seraphim without wings just being carried by a flock of robo-babies
That's… old-school Celestine ^^.
(Okay, it was just two Cherubims and they were just carrying her robe/cape, not Celestine herself, but still close enough)
I'd buy that Celestine model. Two Cherubs are carrying either end of her cape, as she dangles from the bottom, flailing and slashing anything that gets too close.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Yeah, like Galas said, I hope you get the rippers back Silverstu! It's pretty cool to have the small critters going around!
Most faction already have, Imperium have cherubs and servoskulls (DA have watchers, guards could get mascot dogs I guess), orks have grots and squigs, tyranids have rippers and could get similar mini-tyranids, DE have a tiny dragon iirc, and got a whole bunch of weird xenos so could get more, Genecult got ministealers iirc, Chaos has nurgling (could get unaligned familiars too), CWE don't have anything yet but I guess could get something, Tau don't have anything yet but could get mini-drones or cute xenos auxiliary
Automatically Appended Next Post: Good thinking Jake. However what is possible is that all the kits in the box are box-exclusive versions, with later versions being slightly more posable and with cherubs.
Some of those 3 to 8 kits may be just like the kits in the box with just a few extra options.
Cheers - yeah the wee critters give armies that extra bit of detail.. I'm almost tempted to start sculpting rippers to go with Nid kits that missed them out -a toxicrene one would be fun..
The Cherubs are a creepy cool addition to Sisters forces, they seem to have a really good over design for the faction -looks like it will be a great release when it all comes out, its quite tempting and I don't normally like human/imperium forces.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The Cherubs look like pretty complicated models, more than just one piece sprue fillers like servo skulls.
I'll hold to my prediction of a box of cherubs.
My guess is they'll be part of the various kits. At least that's what I infer from the phrasing: "set to become a common sight across the upcoming Adepta Sororitas range. [...] they represent wonderfully macabre additions to many of the kits." Could mean you buy them separately and can use them across the range to supplement the various units, but they seem to be linked to specific boxes anyway ("The Armorium Cherubs of the Retributor Squads").
A relic procession type deal sounds quite feasible; after seeing that art it would surprise me to not get some kind of related set.
Here's hoping the last bulletin will just consist of a bucketload of pictures providing sneak peeks for everything we haven't seen yet. I doubt they'll show off everything in detail (save that for closer to release), but a little part of everything coming up to allow us to see whether and how many new things may yet arrive.
There's not really much point to save things for later, 2 weeks from monday will be the 11th, the box goes on preorder the 23rd and as soon as it does everything will be spoiled. That's less than 2 weeks, not really worth playing coy imho.
True, but I can see it as being part of GW's strategy to build hype for the new range. Not sure what's the norm on pictures of upcoming models in publications nowadays, but it might also be better to have an idea of the miniatures and not just the rules - no doubt some units will quickly be written off based on the rules alone, while being aware of the upcoming sculpts may help people have some interest in them.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The Cherubs look like pretty complicated models, more than just one piece sprue fillers like servo skulls.
I'll hold to my prediction of a box of cherubs.
My guess is they'll be part of the various kits. At least that's what I infer from the phrasing: "set to become a common sight across the upcoming Adepta Sororitas range. [...] they represent wonderfully macabre additions to many of the kits." Could mean you buy them separately and can use them across the range to supplement the various units, but they seem to be linked to specific boxes anyway ("The Armorium Cherubs of the Retributor Squads").
A relic procession type deal sounds quite feasible; after seeing that art it would surprise me to not get some kind of related set.
Here's hoping the last bulletin will just consist of a bucketload of pictures providing sneak peeks for everything we haven't seen yet. I doubt they'll show off everything in detail (save that for closer to release), but a little part of everything coming up to allow us to see whether and how many new things may yet arrive.
There's not really much point to save things for later, 2 weeks from monday will be the 11th, the box goes on preorder the 23rd and as soon as it does everything will be spoiled. That's less than 2 weeks, not really worth playing coy imho.
True, but I can see it as being part of GW's strategy to build hype for the new range. Not sure what's the norm on pictures of upcoming models in publications nowadays, but it might also be better to have an idea of the miniatures and not just the rules - no doubt some units will quickly be written off based on the rules alone, while being aware of the upcoming sculpts may help people have some interest in them.
So they build hype for the two weeks and then...wait 3 months for the actual kits to drop.
I agree that it might be part of their strategy, I just think it's stupid. By the time the full kits come out, most people won't even remember that there had been hype at one point.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Yeah, like Galas said, I hope you get the rippers back Silverstu! It's pretty cool to have the small critters going around!
Most faction already have, Imperium have cherubs and servoskulls (DA have watchers, guards could get mascot dogs I guess), orks have grots and squigs, tyranids have rippers and could get similar mini-tyranids, DE have a tiny dragon iirc, and got a whole bunch of weird xenos so could get more, Genecult got ministealers iirc, Chaos has nurgling (could get unaligned familiars too), CWE don't have anything yet but I guess could get something, Tau don't have anything yet but could get mini-drones or cute xenos auxiliary
Automatically Appended Next Post: Good thinking Jake. However what is possible is that all the kits in the box are box-exclusive versions, with later versions being slightly more posable and with cherubs.
Some of those 3 to 8 kits may be just like the kits in the box with just a few extra options.
That is 100% possible, and even likely that some of these are for more fleshed out versions of the kits in the box. I wasn't saying that it was 3-8 new units (although I do think we'll see at least one or two new units). But I wanted to bring it up because theres still a lot of people (here, but also on FB and in other places) stubbornly convinced that this will be the only Sisters release, or that there won't be any more releases in the near future. Theres a strong narrative of "GW is releasing just this box and we'll have to wait SOOOO long to play the army", but its pretty clear that more kits are on the way soon and the wait should be pretty short.
The question is, are your pretty short wait and their not near future all that different? It's not like those are precise or universal terms. For good or ill GW has operated on very short notice for the better part of the last decade and people by and large are not used to holding their codex in hand and having to wait for more than two or three weeks until they can buy all models in it. i can understand anyone who gets the box at the start of December who considers even a February release a long wait. In relative terms, the way GW has conditioned people, it is.
And given the Marine release schedule, we've already had the test run for it. I expect the same thing to happen with Sisters players, except that the snarky "oh no, poor Marines players have to wait for a few months for new models" will be replaced by snarky "oh no, poor Sisters players have to add a few months to their twenty-year wait".
StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote: This makes me want to model a seraphim without wings just being carried by a flock of robo-babies
That's… old-school Celestine ^^.
(Okay, it was just two Cherubims and they were just carrying her robe/cape, not Celestine herself, but still close enough)
I didn't assemble my Celestine because I like the old version better and wanted to convert her to have a cape held aloft by cherubs. That kind of got put on the backburner for lack of good and easily accessible cherubs, but I hope GW introduces a generic living saint unit entry for people like me who aren't big on special characters. Then again I had that hope with every other iteration of the Sisters codex, and that didn't amount to anything. ah well, maybe this time.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The Cherubs look like pretty complicated models, more than just one piece sprue fillers like servo skulls.
I'll hold to my prediction of a box of cherubs.
My guess is they'll be part of the various kits. At least that's what I infer from the phrasing: "set to become a common sight across the upcoming Adepta Sororitas range. [...] they represent wonderfully macabre additions to many of the kits." Could mean you buy them separately and can use them across the range to supplement the various units, but they seem to be linked to specific boxes anyway ("The Armorium Cherubs of the Retributor Squads").
A relic procession type deal sounds quite feasible; after seeing that art it would surprise me to not get some kind of related set.
Here's hoping the last bulletin will just consist of a bucketload of pictures providing sneak peeks for everything we haven't seen yet. I doubt they'll show off everything in detail (save that for closer to release), but a little part of everything coming up to allow us to see whether and how many new things may yet arrive.
There's not really much point to save things for later, 2 weeks from monday will be the 11th, the box goes on preorder the 23rd and as soon as it does everything will be spoiled. That's less than 2 weeks, not really worth playing coy imho.
True, but I can see it as being part of GW's strategy to build hype for the new range. Not sure what's the norm on pictures of upcoming models in publications nowadays, but it might also be better to have an idea of the miniatures and not just the rules - no doubt some units will quickly be written off based on the rules alone, while being aware of the upcoming sculpts may help people have some interest in them.
Prior to the latest Marine codex the norm used to be that if the model wasn't released alongside the codex, it wouldn't show in the codex. The Marine codex set a precedent that changed this approach at least for this codex, so I don't think we can take the old approach for granted anymore. Based on Marines there's a decent chance that all new plastic Sisters that may be released as far into the new year as March may appear in the codex and GW is fine with having that large gap between codex and model releases.
Importantly, the Marine codex wasn't the first to show us all the new generic Marine releases. They preempted that by putting up a Warhammer Community article before the codex was released. The final Battle Sister Bulletin may do the same.
Geifer wrote: but I hope GW introduces a generic living saint unit entry for people like me who aren't big on special characters.
You and me both, really. But sadly GW is currently running full tilt on the other direction, making generic characters less and less customisable, while putting all the flavour into sub-faction-locked special characters. Less "Your Dudes! They can be everything you want, write a cool lore!" more "Play the Copyrighted™ Subfactions® just like you read in the codex and in Black Library! It's a small world with only a few dozens characters in it, who constantly bump into each other!". Sad!
Geifer wrote: but I hope GW introduces a generic living saint unit entry for people like me who aren't big on special characters.
You and me both, really. But sadly GW is currently running full tilt on the other direction, making generic characters less and less customisable, while putting all the flavour into sub-faction-locked special characters. Less "Your Dudes! They can be everything you want, write a cool lore!" more "Play the Copyrighted™ Subfactions® just like you read in the codex and in Black Library! It's a small world with only a few dozens characters in it, who constantly bump into each other!". Sad!
I am personally pretty sure that the recent, moronic push for "wysiwyg" paint jobs for marines is entirely gw testing the waters to push into that direction even harder.
Yeah, I mean, it's not a realistic hope. It's not even a farfetched hope. It's more of a what if GW did the exact opposite of what they're going to do hope.
Still, not something that should affect me all that much. If i get Sisters, I'm going to get them for the models alone. It's not like I'm suddenly going to start playing 8th ed.
I don't think this reveal is to tease the stuff coming later and more to placate people that the box we're getting isn't the only stuff we're getting for this line reboot.
ClockworkZion wrote: I don't think this reveal is to tease the stuff coming later and more to placate people that the box we're getting isn't the only stuff we're getting for this line reboot.
No one worth bothering with thought this was all we were getting.
ClockworkZion wrote: I don't think this reveal is to tease the stuff coming later and more to placate people that the box we're getting isn't the only stuff we're getting for this line reboot.
No one worth bothering with thought this was all we were getting.
No on on the forums, but the casual fan who only follows the Facebook, or maybe sees WHC isn't the same as the more fanatical of us who spend hours on forums arguing about little plastic space people.
I mean, we're only a fraction of the customer base, not everything the company does has to be targeted at us.
I'd buy a SC Cherubs, too. SoBs, Zombicide, Necro starter...but I need a new airbrush, too! Oh well.
GW is doing a lot of dog jokes in the Regimental Standard, btw, just today they included canines as a protected class of guardsmen again. I'm 50:50 on getting a few dogs if there's ever new guard squads released. The cool doberman from Rogue Trader can't stay alone in this cold and dark universe!
Binabik15 wrote: I'd buy a SC Cherubs, too. SoBs, Zombicide, Necro starter...but I need a new airbrush, too! Oh well.
GW is doing a lot of dog jokes in the Regimental Standard, btw, just today they included canines as a protected class of guardsmen again. I'm 50:50 on getting a few dogs if there's ever new guard squads released. The cool doberman from Rogue Trader can't stay alone in this cold and dark universe!
Remember the RS article from a while back. Canids are considered officers below the typical Junior officer ranks so Guardsmen will get in trouble if they act out against canids.
I mean, we're only a fraction of the customer base, not everything the company does has to be targeted at us.
This should be the sticky for the entire News And Rumors section, and probably a hardcoded banner on the top of every page of Dakkadakka for good measure.
I mean, we're only a fraction of the customer base, not everything the company does has to be targeted at us.
This should be the sticky for the entire News And Rumors section, and probably a hardcoded banner on the top of every page of Dakkadakka for good measure.
I'd rather people worked out that what an individual poster wants isn't a declaration that GW has to service only them, nor is it a generalization that applies to everyone (or anyone) else.
I mean, we're only a fraction of the customer base, not everything the company does has to be targeted at us.
This should be the sticky for the entire News And Rumors section, and probably a hardcoded banner on the top of every page of Dakkadakka for good measure.
I'd rather people worked out that what an individual poster wants isn't a declaration that GW has to service only them, nor is it a generalization that applies to everyone (or anyone) else.
Welcome to Dakka. If people aren't actually crying about GW not catering to their exact desires, then people just assume people are crying about GW not catering to their exact desires. And if it's neither of those, expect strawman arguments, diversions into other games that people think are 'better' in some way, or complaints about how the models don't look the way that a person expected.
Anyway, I'm just excited that the army box set is just the beginning. I'm expecting some neat things in the Codex that won't have been released yet, but I'm sure will already have pics.
1. Do we think the final reveal Bulletin will reveal a few big kits (Exorcist, Immolator) that we haven't seen yet, or will it reveal some new units that no one knows about.
2. Do you think the Codex that will be arriving sometime this month (as part of the new box) will contain pictures of upcoming units that aren't in the preview box? GW have been quite good at keeping unrevealed units secret, even to the point of not putting pictures in Codex of minis that would be out a few months later.
I'm worried that this Ltd Ed Codex will be hamstrung by GW's usual over-the-top need to be secretive about everything. We know that the Beta codex had zero new units in it, but will the final book?
1. Do we think the final reveal Bulletin will reveal a few big kits (Exorcist, Immolator) that we haven't seen yet, or will it reveal some new units that no one knows about.
2. Do you think the Codex that will be arriving sometime this month (as part of the new box) will contain pictures of upcoming units that aren't in the preview box? GW have been quite good at keeping unrevealed units secret, even to the point of not putting pictures in Codex of minis that would be out a few months later.
I'm worried that this Ltd Ed Codex will be hamstrung by GW's usual over-the-top need to be secretive about everything. We know that the Beta codex had zero new units in it, but will the final book?
I expect the Codex to only contain the datasheets for the units that are currently available. New units would get their datasheets in some campaign supplement released in 2020.
1. Do we think the final reveal Bulletin will reveal a few big kits (Exorcist, Immolator) that we haven't seen yet, or will it reveal some new units that no one knows about.
2. Do you think the Codex that will be arriving sometime this month (as part of the new box) will contain pictures of upcoming units that aren't in the preview box? GW have been quite good at keeping unrevealed units secret, even to the point of not putting pictures in Codex of minis that would be out a few months later.
I'm worried that this Ltd Ed Codex will be hamstrung by GW's usual over-the-top need to be secretive about everything. We know that the Beta codex had zero new units in it, but will the final book?
1. Your guess is as good a mine. They will certainly give us something to chew on for the next few months before the general army release. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a taste of every unseen unit with pictures in the Codex. That brings me to...
2. Didn't the latest Codex Space Marines break this old rule? I'm pretty sure the Incursers had pictures in the Codex and they were not released until months later. It's not like GW hasn't been showing new models months in advance at their many previews. I would not be at all surprised if every "new" unit in the codex included pictures. They just all will be released within a few months of the box set release.
alextroy wrote: 2. Didn't the latest Codex Space Marines break this old rule? I'm pretty sure the Incursers had pictures in the Codex and they were not released until months later. It's not like GW hasn't been showing new models months in advance at their many previews. I would not be at all surprised if every "new" unit in the codex included pictures. They just all will be released within a few months of the box set release.
That's not even a rule, Nurgle tripod from Death Guard book over two years ago had release wait much longer than anything from SM codex...
1. Do we think the final reveal Bulletin will reveal a few big kits (Exorcist, Immolator) that we haven't seen yet, or will it reveal some new units that no one knows about.
2. Do you think the Codex that will be arriving sometime this month (as part of the new box) will contain pictures of upcoming units that aren't in the preview box? GW have been quite good at keeping unrevealed units secret, even to the point of not putting pictures in Codex of minis that would be out a few months later.
I'm worried that this Ltd Ed Codex will be hamstrung by GW's usual over-the-top need to be secretive about everything. We know that the Beta codex had zero new units in it, but will the final book?
I expect the Codex to only contain the datasheets for the units that are currently available. New units would get their datasheets in some campaign supplement released in 2020.
There's a 0.00% chance that's what's going to happen. The only units that will be currently available when the book drops are Celestine, battle sisters, repentia, seraphim, pengines, arcos and the canoness, which is less than a third of the army before you get into the issue that they seriously lack equipment options at the moment.
You have to remember that GW doesn't really consider anything they don't currently sell to exist.
The book will have everything sisters are getting for likely the next 20 years in it, which is likely to just be plastic-ified versions of things that existed in metal.
I'm hoping we'll see the rest of the range, along with a 'Coming in January' tag... that'd be ideal.
I mean, think about it, this month we're going to get the Codex. Codex leaks are already starting to show up, little bits at a time. It's inevitable that either GW will release the rest of the range, or we'll figure it all out in the next couple weeks anyway.
My biggest fear is that there will be things missing from the codex that they'll add in a separate DLC book for sisters of battle later on...
The exorcist missile launcher, the heavy bolter, and Hunter Killer missiles. Space marines have that same number of different long range weapons on JUST the Invictor tactical warsuit.
