...but I'm really trying to find a way to get my hands on a lot of that decorum they come with- stained glass and statues and the like. I've been wanting to make Shrine World terrain, or at least a decent-sized 3x3 Cathederal battlefield for some time.
if it helps the sisters rhino looks to be a standard rhino with an upgrade sprue, so that MIIIIGHT be your best bet, ( I'm assuming, given your name you play some type of space marine)
Yeah, hopefully. Been looking at making a Hellforged Scorpius anyway, I could probably find the Rocket system pretty easily.
Melissia wrote: A little disappointing that we only have one generic HQ.
True, but at the same time you've now got almost an entire unique HQ selection in plastic. Most races are the other way around, their good looking generic is plastic and their awesome looking unique are all finecast. So I don't think Sisters can complain "too" much.
Melissia wrote: A little disappointing that we only have one generic HQ.
True, but at the same time you've now got almost an entire unique HQ selection in plastic. Most races are the other way around, their good looking generic is plastic and their awesome looking unique are all finecast. So I don't think Sisters can complain "too" much.
I'm not sure why that would matter, to be honest.
The lack of HQs is a lack of HQs. 'But special characters are in plastic' doesn't change anything.
Unless I'm mistaken a lot of special characters are HQ choices at the same time? Plus its more likely GW will release a generic HQ in plastic in the future [esp one that might have alternative builds[ to further the army than a unique character
Overread wrote: Unless I'm mistaken a lot of special characters are HQ choices at the same time? Plus its more likely GW will release a generic HQ in plastic in the future [esp one that might have alternative builds[ to further the army than a unique character
Well yes they are hq choices. But depending on special characters, one being order locked and one needing big army to support, isn't fun.
And yes canoness is likely coming eventually but when? Logically she would be first so you could build legal armies but now she's week 3 earliest and sisters have 3 plastic characters, all special characters, 1 order locked, one sucks at smaller points.
Overread wrote: True, but at the same time you've now got almost an entire unique HQ selection in plastic
But none of them are generic aside from the canoness. And they don't have one for my Order's faction, at that.
Yeah I don't know what they were smoking making the chariot a specific order. It's got extra heads, so there's no reason we couldn't have had a generic version. Heck if you're worried about it being spammed limit it to one per detachment like the missionary.
I guess it proves GW doesn't push every single model? Given how most players will never buy it since they're not able to run it with their ordo
Also the only plastic priest is locked into an expensive box set, and none of the priests seem super tightly themed in with the rest of the army despite being HQs.
The Adeptus Ministorum generics like Missionarie and Arco-Flagellants don't get Order Convictions, so I don't consider them for my army. Doesn't really fit aesthetically either.
changemod wrote: Also the only plastic priest is locked into an expensive box set, and none of the priests seem super tightly themed in with the rest of the army despite being HQs.
I'm still completely baffled as to why they haven't sold the BSF Explorers separately. They've done it with everything else.
Melissia wrote: The Adeptus Ministorum generics like Missionarie and Arco-Flagellants don't get Order Convictions, so I don't consider them for my army. Doesn't really fit aesthetically either.
Partially true, but definitely worth noting that (assuming you aren’t taking Celestine in a list) you can evade two generals syndrome with a priest, especially if you convert a female priest using a few sister components, and she’d give a pretty good buff to any melee units you might be running.
Just treat it as a chaplain equivalent who can’t take power armour.
changemod wrote: Just treat it as a chaplain equivalent who can’t take power armour.
Except chaplains get chapter tactics and are officially a part of their chapter. I like a consistent looking army, not a freakshow..
Christ, stop being picky, this is the largest army release from gw in years, they obviously can't cover all bases at once and 2-3 minor variations of a canoness profile wasnt a priority.
The generic hq will turn up but the kits aren't even out yet, who will seriously buy, assemble and paint a 2k army in the 3-4 weeks the release takes?
changemod wrote: Also the only plastic priest is locked into an expensive box set, and none of the priests seem super tightly themed in with the rest of the army despite being HQs.
I'm still completely baffled as to why they haven't sold the BSF Explorers separately. They've done it with everything else.
You mean just the sprue of characters? Good question. Though they haven't done it with the Ambull or the Chaos Commissar & Ogryn either. And the latter would be nice but aren't even vaguely worth it at $60.
sisters definatly needed a second HQ, especially as you're limited to one missionary per army IIRC, that's gonna make rule of 3 kinda annoying if you wanna run several detachments.
Voss wrote: You mean just the sprue of characters? Good question. Though they haven't done it with the Ambull or the Chaos Commissar & Ogryn either. And the latter would be nice but aren't even vaguely worth it at $60.
You're correct. And even for Blackstone Fortress, those boxes' value is questionable. The Ogryn and Commissar are pretty fun in Kill Team, though.
Relax. This next weeks preorders just leaves the Cannoness, Imagifier, Dialogus, Seraphim/Zephyrim, Repentia/Repentia Superior, Sororities Rhino, Immolator and Battle Sanctum for the following week. That's still a pretty full week for a three week release.
changemod wrote: Just treat it as a chaplain equivalent who can’t take power armour.
Except chaplains get chapter tactics and are officially a part of their chapter. I like a consistent looking army, not a freakshow..
Christ, stop being picky, this is the largest army release from gw in years, they obviously can't cover all bases at once and 2-3 minor variations of a canoness profile wasnt a priority.
The generic hq will turn up but the kits aren't even out yet, who will seriously buy, assemble and paint a 2k army in the 3-4 weeks the release takes?
Also it’s almost like I directly suggested converting a priest that looks more directly in line with the faction aesthetic and you just cropped that bit out for no reason.
I honestly couldn’t give less of a crap if a cheap buffing HQ with a chainsword doesn’t get chapter tactics.
changemod wrote: Just treat it as a chaplain equivalent who can’t take power armour.
Except chaplains get chapter tactics and are officially a part of their chapter. I like a consistent looking army, not a freakshow..
Christ, stop being picky, this is the largest army release from gw in years, they obviously can't cover all bases at once and 2-3 minor variations of a canoness profile wasnt a priority.
The generic hq will turn up but the kits aren't even out yet, who will seriously buy, assemble and paint a 2k army in the 3-4 weeks the release takes?
I plan to assemble the 2k army minus the 3 models i can't buy in 1 day. Paint takes time but guess what? Game has no rule requiring paint. Game does require models to play and withoutg playing models are just oversized paperweights
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alextroy wrote: Relax. This next weeks preorders just leaves the Cannoness, Imagifier, Dialogus, Seraphim/Zephyrim, Repentia/Repentia Superior, Sororities Rhino, Immolator and Battle Sanctum for the following week. That's still a pretty full week for a three week release.
I've been quite positive about the release thus far, actually. Am not gonna take crap from you about the one area I've criticized them on so far. Get over yourself. It's a reasonable criticism.
changemod wrote: Just treat it as a chaplain equivalent who can’t take power armour.
Except chaplains get chapter tactics and are officially a part of their chapter. I like a consistent looking army, not a freakshow..
Christ, stop being picky, this is the largest army release from gw in years, they obviously can't cover all bases at once and 2-3 minor variations of a canoness profile wasnt a priority.
The generic hq will turn up but the kits aren't even out yet, who will seriously buy, assemble and paint a 2k army in the 3-4 weeks the release takes?
It wouldn't have been hard to give decent variation in the army. I don't think I'm being unreasonable to want to have more than 1 hq within my army and its theme especially considering said theme is literally just having a Sisters army.
I've been quite positive about the release thus far, actually. Am not gonna take crap from you about the one area I've criticized them on so far. Get over yourself. It's a reasonable criticism.
It’s pretty reasonable to class being annoyed priests don’t get chapter tactics as picky.
SIsters are nun themed, nuns and monks don’t do priest work, therefore having a directly related but out of convent preacher follow them about is directly related and thematic, even if the aesthetic maybe needs work.
changemod wrote: It’s pretty reasonable to class being annoyed priests don’t get chapter tactics as picky.
No, it's not. "Priests" (or, rather, "Missionaries", the HQ variant) aren't members of the Adepta Sororitas, and I am playing an Adepta Sororitas army. Stop being unreasonable.
I don't think it's unreasonable to want to play pure adeptus soritus, I mean, christ GW went out and specificly gave sisters a sisters specific pentient engine in the form of the mortificer. woulda been nice if they gave sisters a second HQ, especially given the missionary is limited to one per detachment. some sort of sisters Leuitenant is really needed IMHO.
BrianDavion wrote: I don't think it's unreasonable to want to play pure adeptus soritus, I mean, christ GW went out and specificly gave sisters a sisters specific pentient engine in the form of the mortificer. woulda been nice if they gave sisters a second HQ, especially given the missionary is limited to one per detachment. some sort of sisters Leuitenant is really needed IMHO.
Aye, a Lt. equivalent would've been handy - or, as previously noted, a generic version of the Battle Pulpit.
changemod wrote: It’s pretty reasonable to class being annoyed priests don’t get chapter tactics as picky.
No, it's not. "Priests" (or, rather, "Missionaries", the HQ variant) aren't members of the Adepta Sororitas, and I am playing an Adepta Sororitas army. Stop being unreasonable.
This seems a bit like being mad Blood Thirsters can't be pyskers like other greater deamons and that means there's no way to get psychic powers into a pure Khorne army. Half the Sororitas specialists don't get chapter tactics, and many of them are irrelevant to these models anyway.
You want to use part of the army list, then sure. But you can't complain about lack of options when you're not taking some of the options. Especially as you can rank "Canonesses" with WL traits and relics, or combinations of the two. The "one to watch" is literally the one you pick to use the strat whilst your warlord hangs back and takes more of a supportive/stat boosting role.
Mortifiers also aren't Sisters and also don't get Order Convictions. A Repentia who has redeemed herself but still feels unworthy to fight alongside her erstwhile sisters seems the ideal candidate for a missionary to accompany a 'pure' sisters army.
She wants to fight one last time for her Order before settling down on the world she's saved, or they've come back at her request on hearing her cry for help via the old Sororitas back channels.
Aye, a Lt. equivalent would've been handy - or, as previously noted, a generic version of the Battle Pulpit.
Yes. Or both. And it wouldn't have taken any new kits either. The Canoness kit can just as well represent a Palatine, and the flying pulpit already has an alternative head to represent a generic version.
Overread wrote: Assembling 2K models in one day?! Even with brand new sculpts that's a freaking long day with all the mould line cleaning to achieve.
Well 2k includes what i already have. But yeh it's hefty project. And do have second day as back up. But need 'em primed and glued to bases for first game fast
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BrianDavion wrote: whatever our issues can we all just be glad this isn't going to be stretched out like the Marines release?
We actually don't know that. Who says they come in consequetive time? Gw hasn't said anything official on when last come. Best we can surmise is end of march is last preorder day for sure if past patterns hold
Well 2k includes what i already have. But yeh it's hefty project. And do have second day as back up. But need 'em primed and glued to bases for first game fast
Well 2k includes what i already have. But yeh it's hefty project. And do have second day as back up. But need 'em primed and glued to bases for first game fast
And painted!
Unnecessary!
And for tneva, they can't really afford to string this one out because the army is basically unplayable(without a bunch of extra metals) until the canoness and imagifier come out. Missionaries are metal(and out of stock) and you can only take 1 per detachment, junith is Order locked, the Triumph is bad, and Veridyan and Amena, while usable as canonesses have 2 of the worst loadouts you can have, and a huge amount of the defensive capabilities of the new SoB army revolves around imagifier bubbles.
changemod wrote: It’s pretty reasonable to class being annoyed priests don’t get chapter tactics as picky.
No, it's not. "Priests" (or, rather, "Missionaries", the HQ variant) aren't members of the Adepta Sororitas, and I am playing an Adepta Sororitas army. Stop being unreasonable.
This seems a bit like being mad Blood Thirsters can't be pyskers like other greater deamons and that means there's no way to get psychic powers into a pure Khorne army. Half the Sororitas specialists don't get chapter tactics, and many of them are irrelevant to these models anyway.
You want to use part of the army list, then sure. But you can't complain about lack of options when you're not taking some of the options. Especially as you can rank "Canonesses" with WL traits and relics, or combinations of the two. The "one to watch" is literally the one you pick to use the strat whilst your warlord hangs back and takes more of a supportive/stat boosting role.
Mortifiers also aren't Sisters and also don't get Order Convictions. A Repentia who has redeemed herself but still feels unworthy to fight alongside her erstwhile sisters seems the ideal candidate for a missionary to accompany a 'pure' sisters army.
She wants to fight one last time for her Order before settling down on the world she's saved, or they've come back at her request on hearing her cry for help via the old Sororitas back channels.
Taking repentia...without priests? Can you do that? Why would you do that?
Tastyfish wrote: This seems a bit like being mad Blood Thirsters can't be pyskers
That's not even remotely a good comparison at all, and has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
Stop making dishonest arguments.
Repentia are, in the lore, actually a part of the Adepta Sororitas as a whole. They are Sisters have been sent on Repentia duty in order to repent for their sins, perceived or otherwise, and they're still Adepta Sororitas regardless (and Repentia have <ORDER> as well, so your point is irrelevant). The new Mortifier unit is a Repentia that couldn't redeem herself, and is also a part of the Adepta Sororitas, for the same reason, even if they lack <ORDER> tag.
Well 2k includes what i already have. But yeh it's hefty project. And do have second day as back up. But need 'em primed and glued to bases for first game fast
And painted!
No i don't. I don"' need 'em painted even for the first tournament they will be used. I will paint them as fast as possible but with aos escalation league and lotr tournament needing some focus and will need to make terrain for own lotr tournament i can't paint 100% time. And won't wait months to play.
Taking repentia...without priests? Can you do that? Why would you do that?
I ran 7 without priest saturday in tournament. Worked pretty well actually as cheap counter punch. 10 warp talons at my back? Choppity chop. Genestealers? Chop chop.
Ran into an issue with tyranid warriors though. T5 and stratagem reduced damage into 1...
An analogy might be say, cultists in a chaos marine army or a hypothetical chapter serfs unit for marines filling the same role (though probably a bit better equipped than some ragged cultists).
Are they part of the organisation in question? No. Are they dedicated support staff that can pretty much always be expected to be present in some capacity? Absolutely.
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion), hence why even in an edition where you’re starting to get bonuses for taking no allies, they don’t count as doing so, and have buffs that directly effect the sisters they work with.
I'm sure most others have noticed this, but I'd like to point out that the whole reason the GW site keeps pointing customers to Veridyan is because she's your solution if you are desperately in need of a Canoness right now to lead your SOB army. Like, the clue's in the name: "Canoness Veridyan".
On a related note, I'm still baffled by players/collectors who treat the codex rules for 40k as some kind of sacred text, outside of an official competitive tournament setting. I absolutely plan to kitbash Junith into an entirely different character who will lead my own custom SOB Order and if any friends, family or local GW Store players/staff tell me I can't do that, my answer will be that they can politely go f**k themselves. I've been playing this game since the late 1980s and remember that the entire point of the hobby (not to mention the reason why GW promoted open and narrative play) is to have fun. If my friend and I want to find out who would win a battle between my five different versions of Saint Celestine and his Ork-Genestealer Cult army, then that's what we're going to do. There is no GW police force that knocks down people's front doors to arrest them for playing 'wrong'.
Yeah, it's kind of at a bad time for me. My contract was cut short cause we finished things too quickly (go figure) so now I'm between contracts. I wish I could justify getting my entire army right now-- would spend well over a grand on it. Alas, the story of being poor.
I will eventually want a full 2000 point army, but I'm not gonna buy it all at once. First of, I can't afford that, and secondly, they get painted faster if I limit myself from buying more of them until the previous ones are painted. And until there are enough of them for an independent army, they shall ally with my other Imperials.
Got 12 battle sister kits and 4 retributor kits in addition to a triumph and dice set. Next is Junith, 3 exorcists, 5-6 mortifier boxes depending on price, a hosptialler, and a unit of arcos.
Was hoping it would be Seraphim week 2 so I would have my primary list built out ASAP but w/e.
ERJAK wrote: Got 12 battle sister kits and 4 retributor kits in addition to a triumph and dice set. Next is Junith, 3 exorcists, 5-6 mortifier boxes depending on price, a hosptialler, and a unit of arcos.
Was hoping it would be Seraphim week 2 so I would have my primary list built out ASAP but w/e.
12? yikes, that's gonna be a biiiig army. what's your list looking like?
sadly pnny engines are pretty bleh compared to the mortifacers
There presumably are options for normal pilots and and the Anchorite for the Mortifiers. So if you build an Anchorite you have one Repentia pilot left over, and you can use that to convert the starter box Penitent Engine into a Mortifier. I didn't assemble mine yet, as I was hoping for something like this.
To be fair penitent engines are cheaper with zealot and a better feel no pain, despite their overall relative weakness. I’m thinking of doing three flamer and buzzsaw penitents using one box and the starter set one, then six bolter/flail mortifiers.
changemod wrote: To be fair penitent engines are cheaper with zealot and a better feel no pain, despite their overall relative weakness. I’m thinking of doing three flamer and buzzsaw penitents using one box and the starter set one, then six bolter/flail mortifiers.
yeah I might do that
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changemod wrote: To be fair penitent engines are cheaper with zealot and a better feel no pain, despite their overall relative weakness. I’m thinking of doing three flamer and buzzsaw penitents using one box and the starter set one, then six bolter/flail mortifiers.
yeah I might do that
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I’d paint the mortifiers in a sorta stripped down version of order colours, penitents in more generic Ecclesiarchy colours.
Works out pretty well if you have the one from the starter set to complete a trio.
sadly pnny engines are pretty bleh compared to the mortifacers
That's why I made a Mortifier from the starter set
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ERJAK wrote: Got 12 battle sister kits and 4 retributor kits in addition to a triumph and dice set. Next is Junith, 3 exorcists, 5-6 mortifier boxes depending on price, a hosptialler, and a unit of arcos.
Was hoping it would be Seraphim week 2 so I would have my primary list built out ASAP but w/e.
That's a lot of battle sisters for just one poor Hospitaller to care for!
I hope she gets paid a decent wage for all that work. :O
Would have loved to get seraphim in wave 2, because I'll start with an angelic detachment led by Celestine, so I have a little allied sororitas force for the other imperial detachments and can then build up the troops in leisure. So I'm really hoping the flygirls will arrive soon and not in a few weeks.
Casbyness wrote: I'm sure most others have noticed this, but I'd like to point out that the whole reason the GW site keeps pointing customers to Veridyan is because she's your solution if you are desperately in need of a Canoness right now to lead your SOB army. Like, the clue's in the name: "Canoness Veridyan".
Just couple issues with that. A) finecast b) zero options c) web store item so either i pay postage that's like 50% price hike and 2 week delivery or no postage but delivery even longer(extreme case: necron cryptek i ordered last may arrived last friday...).
I have it in order. But if plastic one would have been announced here i would likelv have got that faster...still could
Works out pretty well if you have the one from the starter set to complete a trio.
sadly pnny engines are pretty bleh compared to the mortifacers
Dunno. Cheaper and more punch in h2h plus more resilient. Good for waiting for enemy to engage you, 3 point something and get counter charged. Extra speed wasted in this role.
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion)
In your opinion it doesn't break the theme of Sisters of Battle. A lot of us play Sisters to field Sisters, not priests or missionaries. For us it breaks the theme.
jivardi wrote: I'm going to have all Sisters with one exception: Inquisitor Coteaz, he's a beast and adds a couple of really good powers.
For me thematically I could see the Sisters recruiting an Inquisitor whenever they need to go and "cleanse" a world of corruption and xenos taint.
Grayfax fit's the all-female theme and her rules aren't bad either. Good against psyker-heavy armies.
Inquisitors have a heavy involvement with the sisters historically, although the inquisition order about the sisters rather than the sisters hiring an inquisitor.
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion)
In your opinion it doesn't break the theme of Sisters of Battle. A lot of us play Sisters to field Sisters, not priests or missionaries. For us it breaks the theme.
No but the point was if someone deliberately doesn't want to take some of the options available to conform to a limited theme, people then can't complain about having reduced options.
jivardi wrote: I'm going to have all Sisters with one exception: Inquisitor Coteaz, he's a beast and adds a couple of really good powers.
For me thematically I could see the Sisters recruiting an Inquisitor whenever they need to go and "cleanse" a world of corruption and xenos taint.
Grayfax fit's the all-female theme and her rules aren't bad either. Good against psyker-heavy armies.
Thematically doesn't fit. Guy who speaks with authority of emperor doesn't get hired. He'll rather requests forces and expects to be served and though coteaz isn't ordo hereticus getting sob support isn't beond him.
So pairing works but who initiates connection is likely opposite. Mind you if they happen to be on same planet and sob asked inquisitor might agree to work together if cause is right.
And any ordo hereticus inquisitor benefits from sob being armed forces of ordo
I just like the idea of an Inquisitor in my force regardless of how he (or she) got there in the first place.
Maybe not thematically that way but I'm sure I can spin up some backstory for why a lone male is doing the whim of 100's of Sisters with bolt guns and other guns, not to mention getting "the look" from those some women all at the same time.
It's entirely plausible that a Canoness might have worked with/for an Inquisitor in the past and know how to contact him to ask for assistance. And Inquisitors are not all bombastic donkey-caves who just march in and start barking orders. An Inquisitor of the Amalathian Principles might be quite content to serve as an advisor to a Canoness. He might technically 'outrank' her, but she's an experienced battlefield commander and he isn't, so it's entirely sensible for him to defer to her on strictly military matters.
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion)
In your opinion it doesn't break the theme of Sisters of Battle. A lot of us play Sisters to field Sisters, not priests or missionaries. For us it breaks the theme.
No but the point was if someone deliberately doesn't want to take some of the options available to conform to a limited theme, people then can't complain about having reduced options.
Except that wasn't actually the point. The point was that GW missed a real opportunity to introduce a second generic Sisters command choice, which is something many Sisters players had been hoping for. And then several people decided to misconstrue the point to make it look like other people were complaining for no reason.
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion)
In your opinion it doesn't break the theme of Sisters of Battle. A lot of us play Sisters to field Sisters, not priests or missionaries. For us it breaks the theme.
No but the point was if someone deliberately doesn't want to take some of the options available to conform to a limited theme, people then can't complain about having reduced options.
Except that wasn't actually the point. The point was that GW missed a real opportunity to introduce a second generic Sisters command choice, which is something many Sisters players had been hoping for. And then several people decided to misconstrue the point to make it look like other people were complaining for no reason.
Yes, because they didn't want to take missionaries or special HQ's since they don't conform with their theme, so wanted a secondary sister based HQ. I don't disagree it would be a nice addition, however when releasing a full army in plastic from scratch, extra new units isn't a priority. I do wish there was a generic character on pulpit though, that would have been cool.
I'd imagine the generic HQ is going to be in the last week, not sure why, just a gut feeling.
Using the “stained glass helmet” (cf my avatar) on a canoness, yay or nay?
I mean, I think I need to find people willing to exchange this against other bits, I wanna put some everywhere now!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Using the “stained glass helmet” (cf my avatar) on a canoness, yay or nay?
I mean, I think I need to find people willing to exchange this against other bits, I wanna put some everywhere now!
Yes, I hadn't thought of that but I love the idea!
It's also dawning on me that I think I prefer the old immolator, does that make me odd?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Using the “stained glass helmet” (cf my avatar) on a canoness, yay or nay?
I mean, I think I need to find people willing to exchange this against other bits, I wanna put some everywhere now!
Should work. I might put it on a Repentia Mistress.
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Also, why are people are so gung ho about putting heavy bolters on Mortifiers? It is mainly a close combat unit (and fast one too, so it can actually get to combat) and it can fire its heavy flamers as pistols! Sounds rather handy to me.
So flagelants 30 pound(devastators, exorcist 60 aka land raider and hospitalier 22.5e like scout bikes. Don't recall others as those were my 3 primary concerns(hospitalier as imagifier likely same price).
A priest doesn’t break the theme of a Sisters of Battle army in the slightest (unless you count “all female” as part of the army theme, in which case as mentioned no lore prevents a female priest conversion)
In your opinion it doesn't break the theme of Sisters of Battle. A lot of us play Sisters to field Sisters, not priests or missionaries. For us it breaks the theme.
No but the point was if someone deliberately doesn't want to take some of the options available to conform to a limited theme, people then can't complain about having reduced options.
Except that wasn't actually the point. The point was that GW missed a real opportunity to introduce a second generic Sisters command choice, which is something many Sisters players had been hoping for. And then several people decided to misconstrue the point to make it look like other people were complaining for no reason.
I’d be happy to have more generic HQ options in case I don’t feel like taking Celestine one day, that’s very much a recurring issue for many armies at the moment, particularly Custodes and despite the fact that they’ve tried clumsily to fix it a few times, AdMech.
But as far as theming goes? A priest attached to a convent is entirely in theme for said convent. Not only is it a case of conforming to a limited theme, it’s taking an already very tightly defined theme then chipping a little more off it then complaining your theme is too thin.
22 for a minor elite clampack that’s not even likely to see tabletop use because it’s an apothecary for an army even less able to make good use of apothecaries?
If this is true that puts the Exorcist at the Repulsor price point of $100 CAD which is...yikes.
It's the one that seems a bit off compared to the rest, a predator is £37.50 for what is nigh on the same size and you'd assume close to the same volume of plastic. £42.50 - 45 feels like the price point it should be at.
Prices in USD, going off brackets:
Exorcist--$80
Penitent Engines--$60
Flagellants--$50
Junith--$45
Hospitaller--$35.
Hospitaller's at a weird pricepoint that covers $35 to $37.50(which is mostly older stuff like the Shokk Attack Gun Mek and Finecast Nurgle Daemon Prince).
If this is true that puts the Exorcist at the Repulsor price point of $100 CAD which is...yikes.
It's the one that seems a bit off compared to the rest, a predator is £37.50 for what is nigh on the same size and you'd assume close to the same volume of plastic. £42.50 - 45 feels like the price point it should be at.
You have to remember gw doesn't do yearly price hikes anymore. Instead they up price of new kits. If predator would be released now it would be this ballmark and land raider(which is what this costs) would cost even more.
If this is true that puts the Exorcist at the Repulsor price point of $100 CAD which is...yikes.
It's the one that seems a bit off compared to the rest, a predator is £37.50 for what is nigh on the same size and you'd assume close to the same volume of plastic. £42.50 - 45 feels like the price point it should be at.
You have to remember gw doesn't do yearly price hikes anymore. Instead they up price of new kits. If predator would be released now it would be this ballmark and land raider(which is what this costs) would cost even more.
But they actually did a general price hike this past summer.
Ordered mine on Saturday when it all first dropped (was expecting them to sell out like every other time, what a pleasant surprise), so that's the dice, cards, Katherine, three retributor boxes and six battle sister boxes. I've been setting aside the money for years now so it's fine, but I still balked at the number,
By my reconning that'll be enough heavy bolters for three retributor squads, three battle sister squads with double storms, and enough bog standard bolter babes to inflate squad sizes and protect more specialist sisters.
I agree it would be nice to have a palatine or other generic sister HQ to allow more flexibility in detachments but between a battalion and one of the 1cp detachment you can field a Sororitas exclusive list at any point value. Fluff wize any canoness you field that isn't your warlord is probably a palatine technically right?
As far as the missionaries go, you could always run them as members of the Orders Pronatus or Sabine and have their lack of order benefit represent the non-combat nature of their order. I get that it's not doctrinally pure necessarily, but in regards to fluff and gameplay you can have your cake and eat it too.
I'm personally leaning towards a force with heavy bolter retributors, exorcists and repentia in transports, each accompanied by a canoness, and backed up by some manner of Hereticus inquisitor or kitbashed Kamarazov.
If I'm gonna use one of the named characters from the store right now for a generic canoness it wouldn't be Veridiyan, but rather Novena. A massively superior sculpt, and also plastic.
Okay there's just no way I'm paying that much for the Hospitaller. That's ridiculous, I could buy an entire second Junith for almost the same price.
I must have fallen out of the loop when it comes to pricing of individual characters. I'd MAYBE pay that much for the Canoness, but not for the supporting characters. I already have four of the original Hospitaller and was only going to get the new sculpt for the novelty value.
I guarantee this new SOB line will be like the GSC models - bandwagon buyers will be ebaying the models for half the price or less a few months from now (they're already doing it with the starter set models) - I think I'll wait until then for the Hosps.
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Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Using the “stained glass helmet” (cf my avatar) on a canoness, yay or nay?
I mean, I think I need to find people willing to exchange this against other bits, I wanna put some everywhere now!
I definitely won't be using that head. In two weeks time I'm going to be swimming in all the new style heads and helmets for the Battle Sisters, since I only ever use the classic bobcut style.
The Hospitaller isn't on a 32mm base like the Canoness. She's sitting on a 40 or 50mm base, thanks to the scenic setup...Junith seems to be on the same.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Canoness and the others clock in at $25 or $30 though. They look to be smaller bases.
22 for a minor elite clampack that’s not even likely to see tabletop use because it’s an apothecary for an army even less able to make good use of apothecaries?
It's good as a slot filler for Valorous Heart Brigades due to dialogus being useless in multiples and the imagifier being 10pts more expensive. Helps melta rets and characters stick around longer.
Exorcist seems £10 overpriced at the very least. £50 sounds really steep for what generally is seem as a bolt-on part of a rhino. Then again perhaps there's far more bulk and features to it that the real kit will make far more apparent and worth that high price tag.
Of course in contrast the Penitent engines are really quite good value. Perhaps GW is doing some crafty pricing and upping one model so they can lower another whilst drawing similar profits from sales from the range as a whole.
Penny engines are remarkably reasonable price - I was expecting about that price for one tbh!
Is anyone else worried about the lack of multipose they may have though?
Every pic I've seen of them seems to have the exact same leg pose - only difference being left/right swap
and the arms look like they may be the same too...
Thargrim wrote: The exorcist shoulda been like 65 bucks, GW prices are closing the gap with forge world.
More like ~$40. 60 GBP is just awful....... I'd actually like to pick up a few Sisters for other games, but- yeesh.
40 bucks? the Marine Rhino isn't even 40 buck. I'm not arguing the exorcist isn't kinda pricey. but expecting it to be cheaper then the old rhino kit is well...yeah
Overread wrote: Exorcist seems £10 overpriced at the very least. £50 sounds really steep for what generally is seem as a bolt-on part of a rhino. Then again perhaps there's far more bulk and features to it that the real kit will make far more apparent and worth that high price tag.
Of course in contrast the Penitent engines are really quite good value. Perhaps GW is doing some crafty pricing and upping one model so they can lower another whilst drawing similar profits from sales from the range as a whole.
It’s expensive, and it is basically just a different top to a Rhino - but the Rhino it’s bolted on to is a whole new one (Deimos pattern instead of Mars pattern). It doesn’t use the existing Rhino parts at all.
But yeah. £40 would have been a lot more palatable.
Thanks to mandatory $15/hour min. wage in lots of states in the US more people should be able to afford Exorcists.
I remember $15 rhino's in the 90's but then again min. wage was like 4.25/hour so I'd say at least in the US the wage increase over the years for the average person still outpaces GW's price increases.
But yeah, plastic crack is expensive and it'll never get cheaper unfortunately.
A Squad of the new sisters costs 円8300 here. That's less than 2 pounds shy of 60 quid. For 10 miniatures. Utterly unjustifiable, especially when you can - in the same store, or if not, neighborhood, walk a few meters and grab a HUGE mastergrade gundam for less.
I've got no clue what game GW are playing out here, but it's so eye-wateringly daft that I'm really tempted to contact their customer services, just to check - like, is this intentional? Are they running off an out-dated currency converter? Bonkers. I was hoping I might get to pick up some sisters, the heavy weapons box and maybe a cannoness and a sister superior with this release as a treat sometime, but holy gak, are these prices so beyond worth it. Never mind the big shiny things coming out next week. Mental.
A Squad of the new sisters costs 円8300 here. That's less than 2 pounds shy of 60 quid. For 10 miniatures. Utterly unjustifiable, especially when you can - in the same store, or if not, neighborhood, walk a few meters and grab a HUGE mastergrade gundam for less.
I've got no clue what game GW are playing out here, but it's so eye-wateringly daft that I'm really tempted to contact their customer services, just to check - like, is this intentional? Are they running off an out-dated currency converter? Bonkers. I was hoping I might get to pick up some sisters, the heavy weapons box and maybe a cannoness and a sister superior with this release as a treat sometime, but holy gak, are these prices so beyond worth it. Never mind the big shiny things coming out next week. Mental.
Casbyness wrote: Okay there's just no way I'm paying that much for the Hospitaller. That's ridiculous, I could buy an entire second Junith for almost the same price.
Conversions, conversions, conversions. Sisters is going to be one of the easiest armies to convert Canonesses, Hospitaliers and Imagifers and Dialogus, because you can start with any base Sister (preferably a squad leader, but there's room for others) and a bit of blinging up. Extra Simacrulum bearer arms become Imagifers.
GW character prices are mental and I encourage everyone to convert whenever and however they can.
diepotato47 wrote: So happy I’ll be over in Sweden for the duration of this release. My biggest problem will be fitting a Sisters army in my suitcase on the way home
Dont build it.
I am looking at the blackstone fortress kit for a couple of models... 125euros for a missionary and a couple others... so 30euros each plus a game. And those models are fantastic. I know, insane.. but gw pricing for characters in plastic is insanier
diepotato47 wrote: So happy I’ll be over in Sweden for the duration of this release. My biggest problem will be fitting a Sisters army in my suitcase on the way home
Dont build it.
I am looking at the blackstone fortress kit for a couple of models... 125euros for a missionary and a couple others... so 30euros each plus a game. And those models are fantastic. I know, insane.. but gw pricing for characters in plastic is insanier
ya know Jeff, if you dislike 40k, nothings keeping you involved in it.
posermcbogus wrote: I've got no clue what game GW are playing out here, but it's so eye-wateringly daft that I'm really tempted to contact their customer services, just to check - like, is this intentional?
diepotato47 wrote: So happy I’ll be over in Sweden for the duration of this release. My biggest problem will be fitting a Sisters army in my suitcase on the way home
Dont build it.
I am looking at the blackstone fortress kit for a couple of models... 125euros for a missionary and a couple others... so 30euros each plus a game. And those models are fantastic. I know, insane.. but gw pricing for characters in plastic is insanier
why not just buy them separately on ebay or facebook? or is it just so you have something to complain about?
Also, I'm glad I own four exorcists already. I knew the new plastic one was going to be way to expensive when I saw it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was webstore exclusive as well so you can't get them cheaper on third party sites.
posermcbogus wrote: I've got no clue what game GW are playing out here, but it's so eye-wateringly daft that I'm really tempted to contact their customer services, just to check - like, is this intentional?
I'd say do it, actually.
I feel like I know what answer I'll get. I don't have enough faith in GW for this to not be deliberate.
Casbyness wrote: Maybe just for giggles GW will price the tardy Canoness at like £40
They know everyone will have already committed to buying up the rest of their armies, therefore they NEED the Canoness.
I should stop giving them ideas I guess...
Bad model to do it with. The metal canoness is still a very good sculpt, comes with most available equipment options, and can be gotten for about 20USD (for now). Imagifier would be better.
maybe but keep in mind if we complain but buy a full sisters army anyway...
truthfully re the exorcistonist I suspect once we see the sprue it'll at least make it make a bit more sense. I mean there's a LOT of build up on the top. this isn't say.. A predator with a flur de lys where it'd be a rhino with a ssimple turrent, there's a lot built on up top
BrianDavion wrote: maybe but keep in mind if we complain but buy a full sisters army anyway...
truthfully re the exorcistonist I suspect once we see the sprue it'll at least make it make a bit more sense. I mean there's a LOT of build up on the top. this isn't say.. A predator with a flur de lys where it'd be a rhino with a ssimple turrent, there's a lot built on up top
That's what admech players said and yet the skorpius is only two sprues and probably about as challenging a design as the leman Russ, aka an armored brick.
I'd bet it's two sprues. GW is of the mindset that tanks are $70 now as far as I can tell, especially since the rest are creeping up that way like the Russ. Not happy about it but that's what they're doing
ohh yeah I fully expect part of it is just rising prices. what I'm curious about is the sisters of battle rhino. there's no way they'll be able to charge those kind of prices for it. anything more then 50 USDs is apt to result in people just using the Marine Rhino
There's plenty a model that I've been confused on the price until I saw it in real life or saw it compared to multiple others outside of GW marketing photos (which tend to be either solos which don't often show comparative size all that well or very busy army shots).
The Feral Lizardman dino on Forgeworld looked to be very overly priced until I saw it next to regular models and realised just how massive it was. Sure FW has one scale photo to show, but that hardly shows off the real difference all that well(
Overread wrote: There's plenty a model that I've been confused on the price until I saw it in real life or saw it compared to multiple others outside of GW marketing photos (which tend to be either solos which don't often show comparative size all that well or very busy army shots).
The Feral Lizardman dino on Forgeworld looked to be very overly priced until I saw it next to regular models and realised just how massive it was. Sure FW has one scale photo to show, but that hardly shows off the real difference all that well(
The Dread is a beautiful model, and massive.....
But my baby isn't worth what they're asking. Doubly so if it's just to HAVE on the shelf. As a gaming piece, they make her almost unweildly by making her share a base with the Khorne Dragon.
So here's something petty which has been bothering me: why do the new Immolator and Exorcist have tread boards, when there is no handrail along the top of the hull for hangers on to... hang on to?
Note that this greivous error is carried over from the Forge World Deimos hulled vehicles, which didn't copy over the handrail from the original Rhino kit.
Lord Damocles wrote: So here's something petty which has been bothering me: why do the new Immolator and Exorcist have tread boards, when there is no handrail along the top of the hull for hangers on to... hang on to?
Note that this greivous error is carried over from the Forge World Deimos hulled vehicles, which didn't copy over the handrail from the original Rhino kit.
Same reason Forge World left it off: it’s too fragile in either plastic or resin to be workable. And they don’t do pre-shaped brass rod.
Overread wrote: There's plenty a model that I've been confused on the price until I saw it in real life or saw it compared to multiple others outside of GW marketing photos (which tend to be either solos which don't often show comparative size all that well or very busy army shots).
The Feral Lizardman dino on Forgeworld looked to be very overly priced until I saw it next to regular models and realised just how massive it was. Sure FW has one scale photo to show, but that hardly shows off the real difference all that well(
Honestly I just looked at that thing and thought.... that's going to be EXPENSIVE. I was not surprised.
Lord Damocles wrote: So here's something petty which has been bothering me: why do the new Immolator and Exorcist have tread boards, when there is no handrail along the top of the hull for hangers on to... hang on to?
Note that this greivous error is carried over from the Forge World Deimos hulled vehicles, which didn't copy over the handrail from the original Rhino kit.
Same reason Forge World left it off: it’s too fragile in either plastic or resin to be workable. And they don’t do pre-shaped brass rod.
Spindly plastic hand rails? AdMech and Knights have them all over their vehicles.
Sprue Pics are on Skipy Bits, havent seen them here.
Lord Damocles wrote: So here's something petty which has been bothering me: why do the new Immolator and Exorcist have tread boards, when there is no handrail along the top of the hull for hangers on to... hang on to?
Note that this greivous error is carried over from the Forge World Deimos hulled vehicles, which didn't copy over the handrail from the original Rhino kit.
Same reason Forge World left it off: it’s too fragile in either plastic or resin to be workable. And they don’t do pre-shaped brass rod.
Spindly plastic hand rails? AdMech and Knights have them all over their vehicles.
Yeah, but those have supports every cm minimum. The Rhino rails had a relatively huge expanse of unsupported rail right above the door. I suppose they could redesign them to add more supports but it would look just as wrong as them being missing. Plus they apparently used all the sprue space already…
i really, really want to buy multiple copies of all of these sets and just go on a kitbashing rampage (but who can afford that?). There are so many cool things on each sprue. I bet we'll see some amazing conversions over the next year.
I never ever tried to put on the hand rail on my Rhinos. As for why put on the step, because it's a handy thing for getting into high-clearance vehicles.
Kind of sad to see that Rhino upgrade sprue. It's been know for a while, of course, but I still think the old Sisters Rhino top was one of the best vehicle mods GW ever came up with because it was just a small alteration but gave the Sisters Rhino its characteristic look. I thought it was so great I even put one on my Vindicator back in 4th ed.
I said it before, but it's a shame that that's gone.
I never ever tried to put on the hand rail on my Rhinos. As for why put on the step, because it's a handy thing for getting into high-clearance vehicles.
And how are you going to have ghetto sistas if they can't even hang from the side of a moving tank?
You know what's off about the absence of those rails? What's off is that GW passed up an opportunity to make ornate handrails that tie in with the swirly decorations on the tanks. And the thing is, they could even do that. GW already makes weapon hafts like that and it's not something that would be too difficult to implement. They have the technology and skill.
BrianDavion wrote: maybe but keep in mind if we complain but buy a full sisters army anyway...
truthfully re the exorcistonist I suspect once we see the sprue it'll at least make it make a bit more sense. I mean there's a LOT of build up on the top. this isn't say.. A predator with a flur de lys where it'd be a rhino with a ssimple turrent, there's a lot built on up top
That's what admech players said and yet the skorpius is only two sprues and probably about as challenging a design as the leman Russ, aka an armored brick.
I'd bet it's two sprues. GW is of the mindset that tanks are $70 now as far as I can tell, especially since the rest are creeping up that way like the Russ. Not happy about it but that's what they're doing
What I mean by that is that the sprue only has one Penitent Engine on it. It's not a sprue that makes two. It's three small sprues that make one, and you get that twice.
I'm very surprised by that.
And it still boggles my mind that there isn't a generic Canoness option for the flying pulpit.
tneva82 wrote: Would be nice to hear what product is cheaper in US than australia.
At the time that I had done it (last November), I bought a Stormsurge for a friend in Australia while on vacation and saved 15 usd. Though it looks like exchange rates have normalized to about the same price now due to shifts in currency valuation for that particular item.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So... there's only one Penitent Engine miniature.
What I mean by that is that the sprue only has one Penitent Engine on it. It's not a sprue that makes two. It's three small sprues that make one, and you get that twice.
I'm very surprised by that.
And it still boggles my mind that there isn't a generic Canoness option for the flying pulpit.
£35 for the pair is cheaper than I was expecting, for a given meaning of ‘cheap’.
Just come here to say quickly that the Sisters dice are AMAZING
Pictures don't do them justice. I didn't preorder the dice last week, but they had one set at my local store and I just had to buy them. The centre of each dice is translucent, so holding them up to the light makes them look like pale blue stained glass! :O
Okay, they still effectively cost £1 per individual dice, but still. I like 'em
Chopstick wrote: No space on that tiny sprue for a robed engine pilot.
And no crucifix pose.
Well, we know the route they took with defetishising repentia wasn’t as “tattered robes” as some were hoping.
Personally I’d have shot for dressing them up as I might imagine casual clothing for ecclesiarchy staff to look, then adding battle damage and manic berserker elements from there.
yeah, pass. I knew all the extra bits and details would increase it, but i didn't guess that high. Still no fan of that hospitaller base, but it's what you get now, so...
huh. if Junith's kit could also be a generic Canoness with ride she'd be a comparative steal... but I've gone on about that far to long. guess the next thing to look for is the FAQ and the immolator...
A Squad of the new sisters costs 円8300 here. That's less than 2 pounds shy of 60 quid. For 10 miniatures. Utterly unjustifiable, especially when you can - in the same store, or if not, neighborhood, walk a few meters and grab a HUGE mastergrade gundam for less.
I've got no clue what game GW are playing out here, but it's so eye-wateringly daft that I'm really tempted to contact their customer services, just to check - like, is this intentional? Are they running off an out-dated currency converter? Bonkers. I was hoping I might get to pick up some sisters, the heavy weapons box and maybe a cannoness and a sister superior with this release as a treat sometime, but holy gak, are these prices so beyond worth it. Never mind the big shiny things coming out next week. Mental.
Because people will buy it and then justify it later. That's really all there is too it. GW know that for every three customers who walk away due to the pricing, there will be a whale who buys multiple of every new """GLOORRIIOOUUSSS""" kit and lets it gather dust. They just gotta... g-gotta... CONSOOOOOM!
"B-B-BUT THEY'RE A BUSINESS!" shilling put aside for one minute, what I don't get is GW's long-term strategy here. I don't mean in "They'll raise them so high people will stop buying them" because evidentally that's not going to happen. What I mean is that they've always pushed at trying to get the Lil Timmies addicted to plastic crack. That made sense when they're getting weekly pocket money enough to afford a blister pack, or save up for a few weeks to get a £15 Tactical Squad. That's presumably not feasible anymore unless their parents have a decent amount of money to spend on their toys. The only thing I can really guess is they're hoping to make it a generational thing, with all those neckbeards who manage to have a kid awkwardly trying to get their child interested in the game, who 'subsidise' their kid's hobby budget or something?
Wage inflation sure hasn't more than doubled from when I was a kid able to pick up 20 Cadians for £15 every month, or 10 marines for the same.
it's also possiable that GW's aiming at an older crowd now. Kids are more likely to play video games etc I imagine. Most gamers I see seem to be in the 20-30 age range.
old eneugh to have a jiob and money, young eneugh to not have a family sucking up all their discreitionary income
Bdrone wrote: *stares at the 80 dollar exorcist*....
yeah, pass. I knew all the extra bits and details would increase it, but i didn't guess that high. Still no fan of that hospitaller base, but it's what you get now, so...
huh. if Junith's kit could also be a generic Canoness with ride she'd be a comparative steal... but I've gone on about that far to long. guess the next thing to look for is the FAQ and the immolator...
I plan on running Junith for my bloody rose crusade. Nobody cares @ my flgs.
Bdrone wrote: *stares at the 80 dollar exorcist*....
yeah, pass. I knew all the extra bits and details would increase it, but i didn't guess that high. Still no fan of that hospitaller base, but it's what you get now, so...
huh. if Junith's kit could also be a generic Canoness with ride she'd be a comparative steal... but I've gone on about that far to long. guess the next thing to look for is the FAQ and the immolator...
I plan on running Junith for my bloody rose crusade. Nobody cares @ my flgs.
Given enough fan feedback, I could totally see GW releasing an upgrade sprue to go along with Junith to run it as a generic canoness. Just give it a different rider, even one as simple as the Battle Box canoness (who I imagine will be released in a start collecting eventually), and maybe an alternate gun at the bottom. Something like what they did for Canis Rex
Been assembling like maniac(think 13 hours...). Loving the kits except monopose shows with banners and superiors. Extra pair of arms would have been nice there.
Less noticable on bolter and special weapons at least
I am still not overly impressed with the faction, I need to see more.
The fluff however goes deeper.
Its official. The Adepta Sororitas now have 'pin-ups'.
I thought Penitent Engines were bad, what they do to wayward sisters would make a Word Bearer baulk; well, maybe not, but you get the idea that they are really close to the line even for Grimdark.
Casbyness wrote: Just come here to say quickly that the Sisters dice are AMAZING
Pictures don't do them justice. I didn't preorder the dice last week, but they had one set at my local store and I just had to buy them. The centre of each dice is translucent, so holding them up to the light makes them look like pale blue stained glass! :O
That's pretty cool. will have to find a set to see for myself.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hopefully we have the Canoness in the next wave of preorders.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Would also be nice to get a sororitas jump pack HQ again...
Yeah, that's why I said "again", cause it was frustrating that jump packs were removed from our generic HQs back then and it's still frustrating we don't have them. Especially now that we have a second, assault-oriented jump pack unit to use.
Sistsers are in a good place right now but... yeah if GW came out hired me and told me I needed to plan a 9th edition sisters 'dex and new units to go with them I'd have no shortage of ideas
Automatically Appended Next Post: So not really looked much yet but does the Battle sisters box also only get the parts for 1 sister superior?
Yep. Though with bit creativity and use of combi weapons you can get by that. Retributor box ls particulary uselul giving power mauls and more combi weapons neither which retributors really want.
tneva82 wrote: Yep. Though with bit creativity and use of combi weapons you can get by that. Retributor box ls particulary uselul giving power mauls and more combi weapons neither which retributors really want.
I've only managed to assemble a partially-converted Triumph plus one squad of Retributors and two further Multi Melta Sisters so far.
I based each of the Triumph's characters separately, plus switched the St. Kat skeleton parts out for a more serene looking human appearance. There's no way I can fully assemble even the central part of that model though, since that will make painting impossible.
Random tip: It's really simple to cut away the hood of the Triumph's St Lucia model to reveal her full face, as a slight conversion. All you then have to do is round out the remaining hood behind her head witth a tiny bit of green stuff.
Only weird thing I noticed with the Retributor set is the lack of a power sword. I had to steal one from one of my Battle Sisters squad boxes.
And yikes, by the end of this fun it looks like I'm going to be left with about 60 Sister helmet heads. Each box comes with so many of them on each sprue :O
tneva82 wrote: Yep. Though with bit creativity and use of combi weapons you can get by that. Retributor box ls particulary uselul giving power mauls and more combi weapons neither which retributors really want.
arg, you where sooo close GW :(
I’m also reasonably sure there’s no flame or melta pistol in the box? So I’ll need to pinch some from my zephyrim down the line I guess.
As a bloody rose player I was going to give a celestian superior a hand flamer and power maul, plus stormbolters as her units cheap specials, thus creating a semifunctuonal assault unit to chill with my cannoness.
Another random tip: If you get bored with the Retributor Superior having limited right arms, note that parts 69 and 126 (outstretched grenade arm and unarmed pointing arm, respectively) from the Battle Sisters box can be used as further options. The pointing arm needs a bit of wrangling and green stuff at the shoulder joint to work, but the grenade arm fits pretty well without having to cover up any gaps.
GaroRobe wrote: Given enough fan feedback, I could totally see GW releasing an upgrade sprue to go along with Junith to run it as a generic canoness. Just give it a different rider, even one as simple as the Battle Box canoness (who I imagine will be released in a start collecting eventually), and maybe an alternate gun at the bottom. Something like what they did for Canis Rex
Or as a Fast Attack choice for any order (less able than the HQ obviously).
Still think three of these floating up ahead of your main wave would look amazing.
GaroRobe wrote: Given enough fan feedback, I could totally see GW releasing an upgrade sprue to go along with Junith to run it as a generic canoness. Just give it a different rider, even one as simple as the Battle Box canoness (who I imagine will be released in a start collecting eventually), and maybe an alternate gun at the bottom. Something like what they did for Canis Rex
Or as a Fast Attack choice for any order (less able than the HQ obviously).
Still think three of these floating up ahead of your main wave would look amazing.
we need HQs more then we need fast attack choices.
Hmmm, the chainsword from Battle sister box is completely blank. While the Retributor one at least have a Fleur de lis. Really? Even the GSC chainsword have some rivet and line on their blank chainsword.
Even if they intentionally leave it blank so you can use the transfer sheet text on it, there're still plenty of space left for more detail, maybe a Fleur de lis like he retributor one.
GaroRobe wrote: Given enough fan feedback, I could totally see GW releasing an upgrade sprue to go along with Junith to run it as a generic canoness. Just give it a different rider, even one as simple as the Battle Box canoness (who I imagine will be released in a start collecting eventually), and maybe an alternate gun at the bottom. Something like what they did for Canis Rex
Or as a Fast Attack choice for any order (less able than the HQ obviously).
Still think three of these floating up ahead of your main wave would look amazing.
It would.
But I wouldn't be surprised at all if our next Codex has a HQ choice for a generic Canoness in the pulpit. No upgrade sprue needed. It would be an easy profile to right, and it would let them sell that kit to tons of players who didn't buy it the first time.
From the given fluff they clearly envision battle pulpits less as “something the adepta sororitas does” and more as “something this particular lunatic did after preaching during a battle instead of doing something helpful”.
Chopstick wrote: Hmmm, the chainsword from Battle sister box is completely blank. While the Retributor one at least have a Fleur de lis. Really? Even the GSC chainsword have some rivet and line on their blank chainsword.
Even if they intentionally leave it blank so you can use the transfer sheet text on it, there're still plenty of space left for more detail, maybe a Fleur de lis like he retributor one.
What about adding the tiny purity seal accessory parts to it? Those are nice.
So retributors are a giant pain to assemble compared to battle Sisters. They have more parts per model(obviously) but they also have WAY more mold line that need to be cleaned because they're very visible.
ERJAK wrote: So retributors are a giant pain to assemble compared to battle Sisters. They have more parts per model(obviously) but they also have WAY more mold line that need to be cleaned because they're very visible.
Plus those wacky Heavy Flamer left arms are a joy to position correctly XD
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tneva82 wrote: No sister preorders next week. Where's that generic HQ for sisters?
WTF is my Imagifier, Canoness, Dialogus, Seraphim and vehicles :(
ERJAK wrote: So retributors are a giant pain to assemble compared to battle Sisters. They have more parts per model(obviously) but they also have WAY more mold line that need to be cleaned because they're very visible.
Plus those wacky Heavy Flamer left arms are a joy to position correctly XD
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tneva82 wrote: No sister preorders next week. Where's that generic HQ for sisters?
WTF is my Imagifier, Canoness, Dialogus, Seraphim and vehicles :(
GW must have met their January sales quota :(
Yeah we could definitely use a speed option: Jump gals or a rhino to get our armies to basic functionality.
Casbyness wrote: Another random tip: If you get bored with the Retributor Superior having limited right arms, note that parts 69 and 126 (outstretched grenade arm and unarmed pointing arm, respectively) from the Battle Sisters box can be used as further options. The pointing arm needs a bit of wrangling and green stuff at the shoulder joint to work, but the grenade arm fits pretty well without having to cover up any gaps.
Thanks for sharing!
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So what's the fluff with pentit engines, we are gonna strap in 'naked' sis to pilot this thing and die from some stray lasgun shot?
Why even bother protecting her... smart use of resources...
Not really sure why tanka crews are inside tank, when you can mount them outside to the front of tank... someone should really advise military that their design is wrong on ao many levels.
smurfORnot wrote: So what's the fluff with pentit engines, we are gonna strap in 'naked' sis to pilot this thing and die from some stray lasgun shot?
Why even bother protecting her... smart use of resources...
Not really sure why tanka crews are inside tank, when you can mount them outside to the front of tank... someone should really advise military that their design is wrong on ao many levels.
The "pilots" of Pentient Engines are criminals, actually. They're being forced (by drugs and the machine spirit itself) to drive themselves to slaughter their former partners in crime/heresy by the devices.
Mortifactors are similar but for failed Sisters who cannot redeem themselves.
That and GW wants to keep some focus on their other lines. A full 1 month of Sisters would not only likely overload one market group but leave others frustrated. Don't forget those new chaos models are all for Slaves to Darkness which was released before Christmas as well.
A few weeks won't hurt and will let sisters fans build, paint and restore funds ready for a fresh wave.
Maybe GW delayed the next preorders because they needed to call an emergency meeting to discuss how few orders were received for the Exorcist and Hospitaller. Perhaps they were about to preview the Rhino and Immolator at £50 each and suddenly came to their senses, so need an extra week or two to adjust their price point analysis
Please note that Dark Sphere has Exoricists up for preorder for only £37.50 each
Dudeface wrote: Bit surprised they're breaking up the releases, they must have assumed peoples wallets can't handle the whole range at once.
It's a fair assumption. Not many people can buy a full 2k pt army in one go. I reckon we'll see the next wave after January pay day.
Would be fair but would also be fair to have core of army before break. You know so that people can play with what they have got...As it is this release pattern seems directed to the guys with 3k+ existing models rather than new players.
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Casbyness wrote: Maybe GW delayed the next preorders because they needed to call an emergency meeting to discuss how few orders were received for the Exorcist and Hospitaller. Perhaps they were about to preview the Rhino and Immolator at £50 each and suddenly came to their senses, so need an extra week or two to adjust their price point analysis
Please note that Dark Sphere has Exoricists up for preorder for only £37.50 each
Uuh this was decided months ago. GW doesn't do changes in week time. Would physically be impossible with goods going toward stores etc.
GaroRobe wrote: Given enough fan feedback, I could totally see GW releasing an upgrade sprue to go along with Junith to run it as a generic canoness. Just give it a different rider, even one as simple as the Battle Box canoness (who I imagine will be released in a start collecting eventually), and maybe an alternate gun at the bottom. Something like what they did for Canis Rex
Or as a Fast Attack choice for any order (less able than the HQ obviously).
Still think three of these floating up ahead of your main wave would look amazing.
It would.
But I wouldn't be surprised at all if our next Codex has a HQ choice for a generic Canoness in the pulpit. No upgrade sprue needed. It would be an easy profile to right, and it would let them sell that kit to tons of players who didn't buy it the first time.
Three HQ pulpits behind the main wave will be equally nice. ;-)
GW may have figured that we don't need the cannoness as bad due to cannoness Virydia being a thing.and in fact that it might boost sales of that mini if they delay the release of the plastic one.
Also character models are always expensive, GW proably figures if we go all in and get all our units then whatever the cost of the cannoness... we'll buy it
BrianDavion wrote: GW may have figured that we don't need the cannoness as bad due to cannoness Virydia being a thing.and in fact that it might boost sales of that mini if they delay the release of the plastic one.
Also character models are always expensive, GW proably figures if we go all in and get all our units then whatever the cost of the cannoness... we'll buy it
Yeah. Finecast mail order item. Ordered bit over 2 weeks ago. Hoping it might come before march at least comes. Cryptek took whopping 8 months. Missionary took over a month.
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Eldarsif wrote: I am a bit relieved that my wallet is given a moment's reprieve from the constant assault of the God Emperor's new plastic vassals.
Seeing these aren't limited edition releases you need to buy on day of release or they sell out reprieve you get whenver you want.
Would be fair but would also be fair to have core of army before break. You know so that people can play with what they have got...As it is this release pattern seems directed to the guys with 3k+ existing models rather than new players.
Honestly, it seems like this release pattern is the opposite. They know that the army box sold well. That's the "core of the army" that a good chunk of people likely are working from.
All that is, currently, left to release:
-Canoness(multipart with options)
-Imagifer
-Dialogus
-Immolator/Rhino(do we know if this is a dual kit or not?)
-Seraphim/Zephyrim
-Repentia+Mistress of Penance
-Scenery piece
By comparison, the stuff released or placed up for preorder this week:
-Junith
-Penitent Engine/Mortifier
-Exorcist
-Hospitaller
-Arco Flagellants
-Battle Sister Squad(which is technically 3 units in one since Dominions and Celestians build out of it)
-Retributor Squad
-Triumph of St. Katherine
So 10 entries unreleased vs 11 released in two weeks. This is warp frigging speed compared to how the Marine stuff went.
BrianDavion wrote: GW may have figured that we don't need the cannoness as bad due to cannoness Virydia being a thing.and in fact that it might boost sales of that mini if they delay the release of the plastic one.
Also character models are always expensive, GW proably figures if we go all in and get all our units then whatever the cost of the cannoness... we'll buy it
I can’t see any rational reason to buy Veridyan when she doesn’t look like a canoness, doesn’t fit the new line at all and is a pretty lousy adaptation of the original artwork.
More likely it’s because you can just buy the Granoness from the box set now that it’s been extensively reprinted.
Eh boxed set is available in some stores. But not in all and not in GW. For example I can't buy one even if I felt need to spend 130e for sake of single monopose canoness with illegal loadout. As it's likely to be short term return rather than permanent item in sister line(not in gw main store for starters...) there's not even any quarantee the boxed set loadout won't end up in legends(which is where logically by GW definition it belongs...) and thus out from many tournaments and with that out of many non-tournament games as well.
Well yes it's store dependant. But it's not global thing you can rely on. If it was back on sale for good it would be on gw store. Some stores got stock and are there until they sells out but might be a while as most who wanted one have got one and with multipart kits out for several units appeal for one is less. 130e is lot for canoness.
The only miss imo is the flying pulpit, but the rest is excellent and really capture the gothic feeling (which seems to be waning unfortunately) of 40k
Well basic sister box could have been bit better if there was alternative arm poses for superior so all superiors with same wargear don't look so identical without cutting.
changemod wrote:From the given fluff they clearly envision battle pulpits less as “something the adepta sororitas does” and more as “something this particular lunatic did after preaching during a battle instead of doing something helpful”.
Sure. But a lot of 40k stuff starts out as something one specific character or unit does, before becoming widespread over a faction.
Casbyness wrote: Another random tip: If you get bored with the Retributor Superior having limited right arms, note that parts 69 and 126 (outstretched grenade arm and unarmed pointing arm, respectively) from the Battle Sisters box can be used as further options. The pointing arm needs a bit of wrangling and green stuff at the shoulder joint to work, but the grenade arm fits pretty well without having to cover up any gaps.
Thanks for sharing!
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If I remember when I get home I can take a pic of the instruction book
Casbyness wrote: Another random tip: If you get bored with the Retributor Superior having limited right arms, note that parts 69 and 126 (outstretched grenade arm and unarmed pointing arm, respectively) from the Battle Sisters box can be used as further options. The pointing arm needs a bit of wrangling and green stuff at the shoulder joint to work, but the grenade arm fits pretty well without having to cover up any gaps.
Thanks for sharing!
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If I remember when I get home I can take a pic of the instruction book
Careful with those instruction booklets, there are errors in both the regular and Retributors versions.
Nothing major though, just use of the wrong images in places.
- The colourful "here's what a finished Retributor B should look like" photo has the heavy flamer sister shown twice, with the multi melta sister nowhere to be seen.
- Similarly, the Battle Sister I finished photo is wrong, it just repeats the image of Battle Sister H.
If you want to use spare heavy weapons on the regular boxed set then first of all obviously Battle Sister B would work.
Not sure about C, that heavy flamer pose would need some adjustments for the cables or ammo feed to fit.
The other two clear candidates are F and G. F is probably the best bet if you don't want to sacrifice the regular set's heavy weapon models.
All that is, currently, left to release:
-Immolator/Rhino(do we know if this is a dual kit or not?)
Looking at the codex, it seems that they are not a dual kit, as the Rhino pictured is a Mars pattern variant and uses an upgrade sprue, while the Immolator is a Deimos pattern variant and has similar characteristics with the Exorcist. I wonder how much these will cost? Hopefully they don't charge an arm and a leg for a regular Rhino with and upgrade sprue.
just opened up my exorcist. part of me thinks there was a missed oppertunity to do a plastic demios rhino. I suspect that was the original plan but it got nixed when they realized they'd have a seperate rhino kit costing nearly twice the old one and that it'd not sell
It's entirely possible to use the dying Sister on the Hospitaller base as a regular rank and file model.
All you need are bits from the regular squad boxed set or Retributor set. Replace the reaching hand wih a standard bolter-wielding hand. Add a regular backpack. Add a rear cloth section via a discarded plastic piece from a different Sister or just make one with green stuff. Then prop her up by attaching her right foot against a random piece of terrain added to a 32mm base. She ends up looking like a wounded Sister fighting for her life.
Casbyness wrote: It's entirely possible to use the dying Sister on the Hospitaller base as a regular rank and file model.
All you need are bits from the regular squad boxed set or Retributor set. Replace the reaching hand wih a standard bolter-wielding hand. Add a regular backpack. Add a rear cloth section via a discarded plastic piece from a different Sister or just make one with green stuff. Then prop her up by attaching her right foot against a random piece of terrain added to a 32mm base. She ends up looking like a wounded Sister fighting for her life.
having completed the exorcist I gotta say it's a good model from an assembly POV, it's detailed and ornate but not terriably difficult. I left the cherubs off mine as they're just something I see breaking off in transport, luckly it doesn't seem to be nesscary for the model
Casbyness wrote: It's entirely possible to use the dying Sister on the Hospitaller base as a regular rank and file model.
All you need are bits from the regular squad boxed set or Retributor set. Replace the reaching hand wih a standard bolter-wielding hand. Add a regular backpack. Add a rear cloth section via a discarded plastic piece from a different Sister or just make one with green stuff. Then prop her up by attaching her right foot against a random piece of terrain added to a 32mm base. She ends up looking like a wounded Sister fighting for her life.
BrianDavion wrote: just opened up my exorcist. part of me thinks there was a missed oppertunity to do a plastic demios rhino. I suspect that was the original plan but it got nixed when they realized they'd have a seperate rhino kit costing nearly twice the old one and that it'd not sell
Kinda still think there'll be a plastic deimos rhino at some point. I love the resin one but hate the side skirts, mine have always been fine everywhere else, but they are warped in a weird way while having no slippage or issues elsewhere.
I'm currently working on building Junith and a hospataller. Junith is a kitbashers paradise. I swapped her head out for the shaved one from the battle sister box(took some whittling to get fit right) and it looks great.
think I'm gonna model the hospataller without the scenic base and use the casualty as an objective marker.
BrianDavion wrote: just opened up my exorcist. part of me thinks there was a missed oppertunity to do a plastic demios rhino. I suspect that was the original plan but it got nixed when they realized they'd have a seperate rhino kit costing nearly twice the old one and that it'd not sell
Kinda still think there'll be a plastic deimos rhino at some point. I love the resin one but hate the side skirts, mine have always been fine everywhere else, but they are warped in a weird way while having no slippage or issues elsewhere.
I'm currently working on building Junith and a hospataller. Junith is a kitbashers paradise. I swapped her head out for the shaved one from the battle sister box(took some whittling to get fit right) and it looks great.
think I'm gonna model the hospataller without the scenic base and use the casualty as an objective marker.
yeah, I'd not be suprised, I think the reason GW didn't do one this time around is because they'd charge "new tank prices" for it. and people would just buty and bling up space Marine Rhinos. I expect if GW ever does retire old Marines, chaos space Marines will get a relaunch of their tanks in a Demios varient.
And that's preorder at earliest. Already had to cancel one tournament. If canoness and imagifier won't come next or week after that I have to cancel 2nd tournament as well. Never thought I would be worrying can I attend tournament 29.2 or not...
Crimson wrote: Well, this sucks. I was afraid that they would do this. What would be the best way to contact them to complain about this?
Has any sneaky person been able to peek at the release calendar to at least give us an idea of when the next Sisters set will be coming?
I guess the best way to convey a message would be if everyone called their customer services dept asking when the next Sisters are coming. Also, not buying the current Necro and Warcry garbage they are churning out instead would help.
Interestingly I'd wager you've half a chance it goes back to Sisters next week. 2 Weeks AoS; 2 Weeks 40K. Whilst not a strict pattern it does seem to be GW's general patterning that one franchise majors over the other more or less. With the odd "specialist game" week thrown in.
Sure hope so! Of course still could be like dialogus and repentia next week and rhino and seraphim week after that and I can't go to tournament even then
Crimson wrote: Well, this sucks. I was afraid that they would do this. What would be the best way to contact them to complain about this?
Has any sneaky person been able to peek at the release calendar to at least give us an idea of when the next Sisters set will be coming?
This is speculation, but the latest PA5 teaser made a reference to a possible Imperial 3rd faction and 'faith in the Emperor'. It would make sense to release the rest of the Sisters range alongside their PA book. PA5 is confirmed as February.
Overread wrote: Interestingly I'd wager you've half a chance it goes back to Sisters next week. 2 Weeks AoS; 2 Weeks 40K. Whilst not a strict pattern it does seem to be GW's general patterning that one franchise majors over the other more or less. With the odd "specialist game" week thrown in.
Seems reasonable. I've got more than enough lined up to paint to fill the gap anyway.
Crimson wrote: Well, this sucks. I was afraid that they would do this. What would be the best way to contact them to complain about this?
Has any sneaky person been able to peek at the release calendar to at least give us an idea of when the next Sisters set will be coming?
This is speculation, but the latest PA5 teaser made a reference to a possible Imperial 3rd faction and 'faith in the Emperor'. It would make sense to release the rest of the Sisters range alongside their PA book. PA5 is confirmed as February.
Pretty sure that's GSC talking about the "Four-armed Emperor"
BrianDavion wrote: to make matters worse, has anyone noted you can no longer buy Cannoness Viyrdia?
It seems I picked her up just in time then!
Brian jumped the gun there, Mmmpi - she's certainly still available on the UK site, but for some reason she isn't sat within the Adepta Sororitas category if you use that filter. Searching for Veridyan brings her up, though whether that is true for different localised sites may or may not be true.
tneva82 wrote: And that's preorder at earliest. Already had to cancel one tournament. If canoness and imagifier won't come next or week after that I have to cancel 2nd tournament as well. Never thought I would be worrying can I attend tournament 29.2 or not...
Could you kitbash Canonesses from Sisters Superior and some spare weapons, and make an Imagifier from a Sister with Simulacrum perhaps? Greyfax with headswap is another option for the former, and you can probably make something from the figures in The Triumph; not a bad price for 6 characters if you manage to find a use for all of them. Assuming it's not already in your army.
It would of course be rather a bit easier if GW just released the one plastic unnamed HQ already. Would say it's a a bit more of a priority than The Triumph or Junith were...
tneva82 wrote: And that's preorder at earliest. Already had to cancel one tournament. If canoness and imagifier won't come next or week after that I have to cancel 2nd tournament as well. Never thought I would be worrying can I attend tournament 29.2 or not...
Could you kitbash Canonesses from Sisters Superior and some spare weapons, and make an Imagifier from a Sister with Simulacrum perhaps? Greyfax with headswap is another option for the former, and you can probably make something from the figures in The Triumph; not a bad price for 6 characters if you manage to find a use for all of them. Assuming it's not already in your army.
It would of course be rather a bit easier if GW just released the one plastic unnamed HQ already. Would say it's a a bit more of a priority than The Triumph or Junith were...
That would end up with wasted playable body that would not have much use afterwards. There's only so many canoness models you need and I want the official as a) it looks good b) it doesn't look just sister superior or imagifier(how to make it different looking from simulacrum anyway? It should be instantly clear from glance it's not same model).
And triumph is way too expensive for me to get for character purposes And greyfax wouldn't arrive in time anyway. I have the viridyan on order from before first wave came to preorder and I'm not expecting THAT to come before either. At least it should be faster than necron cryptek that took 8 months but web store items are not the solution if you are in a hurry
tneva82 wrote: And that's preorder at earliest. Already had to cancel one tournament. If canoness and imagifier won't come next or week after that I have to cancel 2nd tournament as well. Never thought I would be worrying can I attend tournament 29.2 or not...
Could you kitbash Canonesses from Sisters Superior and some spare weapons, and make an Imagifier from a Sister with Simulacrum perhaps? Greyfax with headswap is another option for the former, and you can probably make something from the figures in The Triumph; not a bad price for 6 characters if you manage to find a use for all of them. Assuming it's not already in your army.
It would of course be rather a bit easier if GW just released the one plastic unnamed HQ already. Would say it's a a bit more of a priority than The Triumph or Junith were...
That would end up with wasted playable body that would not have much use afterwards. There's only so many canoness models you need and I want the official as a) it looks good b) it doesn't look just sister superior or imagifier(how to make it different looking from simulacrum anyway? It should be instantly clear from glance it's not same model).
And triumph is way too expensive for me to get for character purposes And greyfax wouldn't arrive in time anyway. I have the viridyan on order from before first wave came to preorder and I'm not expecting THAT to come before either. At least it should be faster than necron cryptek that took 8 months but web store items are not the solution if you are in a hurry
I'm thinking of switching one Simulacrum for the old Empire General angel of death banner, but that's useless if you don't have easy access to something along those lines... And even then, I may well end up replacing the top of an actual Imagifier, depending on how many Simulacra I will already have running around...
Where are you ordering things that take 8 months to arrive by the way? I'm rarely in much of a hurry, but I do like things to arrive before I forgot I even ordered them...
BrianDavion wrote: to make matters worse, has anyone noted you can no longer buy Cannoness Viyrdia?
It seems I picked her up just in time then!
Brian jumped the gun there, Mmmpi - she's certainly still available on the UK site, but for some reason she isn't sat within the Adepta Sororitas category if you use that filter. Searching for Veridyan brings her up, though whether that is true for different localised sites may or may not be true.
Could this mean she will be going out of production though? It regularly happens that things are misplaced in the webstore, but Canoness V certainly was in the right place until recently. I don't know why they would be changing anything in that section unless they mean to change something soon. Unless it's a mistake related to the hopefully near release of another pack with Canoness in the name...
The exorcist is definitely designed with a sprue that makes up the bottom half and a second sprue with all the unique bits for the actual exorcist. Seems incredibly likely the Rhino will just have a different top and could very well include the immolator parts.
LunarSol wrote: The exorcist is definitely designed with a sprue that makes up the bottom half and a second sprue with all the unique bits for the actual exorcist. Seems incredibly likely the Rhino will just have a different top and could very well include the immolator parts.
I noticed that building them too.
However, looking at the pictures of the new Rhino from Warhammer Community, it has different side doors, a different mount for the Hunter-Killer Missile, different exhausts, etc. It looks like it's the existing Space Marine Rhino with a larger than normal accessory sprue (front plate, doors, missile, stormbolter and some minor bits like the tow hooks).
Meanwhile the Immolator is the same bottom half as the Exorcist with a different top.
LunarSol wrote: The exorcist is definitely designed with a sprue that makes up the bottom half and a second sprue with all the unique bits for the actual exorcist. Seems incredibly likely the Rhino will just have a different top and could very well include the immolator parts.
I noticed that building them too.
However, looking at the pictures of the new Rhino from Warhammer Community, it has different side doors, a different mount for the Hunter-Killer Missile, different exhausts, etc. It looks like it's the existing Space Marine Rhino with a larger than normal accessory sprue (front plate, doors, missile, stormbolter and some minor bits like the tow hooks).
Meanwhile the Immolator is the same bottom half as the Exorcist with a different top.
I hadn't really looked. Is it actually a new model or an old conversion/FW/etc?
changemod wrote: That does look distressingly like a conversion kit for the ancient rhino rather than a rhino built from the new kit specifically for sisters.
Seems like that's exactly what it is. From further back in the thread (spoilered for picture size):
changemod wrote: That does look distressingly like a conversion kit for the ancient rhino rather than a rhino built from the new kit specifically for sisters.
It is. The SoB rhino is your standard plastic rhino with an upgrade sprue.
As for the Exorcist and Immo, i think the door shape and little side shrines are going to make it incompatible with the side - skirts of other rhino upgrade kits like the vindi or hunter, but I do have those parts and will give it a try.
Has anyone heard any news on when we might be getting our canoness kit?
I'm pondering using Novena as my first canoness, using a spare helmet to make her fit with my helmeted miniatures, but not gonna use her for all three ofc, and I don't like Veridiyan.
changemod wrote: That does look distressingly like a conversion kit for the ancient rhino rather than a rhino built from the new kit specifically for sisters.
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you say distressingly, I say "thankfully" mostly because if it was an entirely new kit using the same model as the exorcist it'd be 100 bucks a pop, if it's based on the old rhino it'll.. hopefully, be cheaper
Melissia wrote: Has anyone heard any news on when we might be getting our canoness kit?
Given all that remains to be released (Canoness, Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier, Dilogus, Seraphym/Zephirym and Repentia... is there a Repentia Superior mini outside of the Ltd. Ed box?), I'd say that there are two move waves left (*sigh*), and that they won't be 'til at least the week after next (next week is more Beastgrave stuff).
Dunno why they thought that a massively important HQ would be a good thing to delay the release of...
changemod wrote: That does look distressingly like a conversion kit for the ancient rhino rather than a rhino built from the new kit specifically for sisters.
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you say distressingly, I say "thankfully" mostly because if it was an entirely new kit using the same model as the exorcist it'd be 100 bucks a pop, if it's based on the old rhino it'll.. hopefully, be cheaper
Likely 5-10 pounds more than marine rhino. Remember new sku's, new price hikes..
Melissia wrote: Has anyone heard any news on when we might be getting our canoness kit?
Given all that remains to be released (Canoness, Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier, Dilogus, Seraphym/Zephirym and Repentia... is there a Repentia Superior mini outside of the Ltd. Ed box?), I'd say that there are two move waves left (*sigh*), and that they won't be 'til at least the week after next (next week is more Beastgrave stuff).
Dunno why they thought that a massively important HQ would be a good thing to delay the release of...
my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
this is... actually potentially good news for people who wanna run a single large block of Repenta as additional repenta superiors will likely be great conversion fodder for things like canonnesses etc
Melissia wrote: Has anyone heard any news on when we might be getting our canoness kit?
Given all that remains to be released (Canoness, Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier, Dilogus, Seraphym/Zephirym and Repentia... is there a Repentia Superior mini outside of the Ltd. Ed box?), I'd say that there are two move waves left (*sigh*), and that they won't be 'til at least the week after next (next week is more Beastgrave stuff).
Dunno why they thought that a massively important HQ would be a good thing to delay the release of...
my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
this is... actually potentially good news for people who wanna run a single large block of Repenta as additional repenta superiors will likely be great conversion fodder for things like canonnesses etc
Uuuh that would suck. Tons of identical poses...There's only so much you want to do. Top of that you would struggle to get sensible amount. Buy 3 boxes and have 12? Full squad is 9...With Ro3 that's 27 repentia so whatever you do you end up with spares and 7 superiors and pay arm and teeth for those...That would be very customer unfriendly. So much like for GW!
Also arco flagelants came in box of 10...
Hopefully GW is feeling generous enough to do the sensible 9+1. Even that sucks with spare superiors(you only need 1 anyway) but better than 4+1 with squad size of 9
BrianDavion wrote: my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
Haven't we seen that there is far more variety to the Repentia than just 4? I'm betting a box of 10, just like the Archos. My fear is that there won't be a Repentia Superior in any kit - clampack or in a box - putting us into another Deffkopter situation (or a Death Guard/some Primaris minis situation - only worse).
changemod wrote: That does look distressingly like a conversion kit for the ancient rhino rather than a rhino built from the new kit specifically for sisters.
I think it's a very nice conversion kit and the Rhino is still visually a pretty decent model (though some mechanical aspects of the kit are dated). I would not have been against them getting a plastic Deimos pattern, though.
BrianDavion wrote: my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
Haven't we seen that there is far more variety to the Repentia than just 4? I'm betting a box of 10, just like the Archos. My fear is that there won't be a Repentia Superior in any kit - clampack or in a box - putting us into another Deffkopter situation (or a Death Guard/some Primaris minis situation - only worse).
It won't be 10 box without superior. Max squad size is 9. Has GW ever put box with more than unit's maximum?
BrianDavion wrote: my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
Haven't we seen that there is far more variety to the Repentia than just 4? I'm betting a box of 10, just like the Archos. My fear is that there won't be a Repentia Superior in any kit - clampack or in a box - putting us into another Deffkopter situation (or a Death Guard/some Primaris minis situation - only worse).
It won't be 10 box without superior. Max squad size is 9. Has GW ever put box with more than unit's maximum?
nope never. to be honest the reason I assume a 4 repenta 1 superior box is because these days it's pretty rare to see any more then the smallest squad size for non troops from GW. I figure if we get a bigger box I'll be pleasently suprised.
Unfortunately, it's two pictures, so we don't have everything together. To me, it looks like the Superior plus 9 Repentia since they are all slightly different (and the Superior would share zero parts with any of the models in the picture of 5).
BrianDavion wrote: my bet is repenta will be 4 sister repenta and 1 repenta superior per box.
Haven't we seen that there is far more variety to the Repentia than just 4? I'm betting a box of 10, just like the Archos. My fear is that there won't be a Repentia Superior in any kit - clampack or in a box - putting us into another Deffkopter situation (or a Death Guard/some Primaris minis situation - only worse).
It won't be 10 box without superior. Max squad size is 9. Has GW ever put box with more than unit's maximum?
nope never. to be honest the reason I assume a 4 repenta 1 superior box is because these days it's pretty rare to see any more then the smallest squad size for non troops from GW. I figure if we get a bigger box I'll be pleasently suprised.
I think it's a combination of "please buy Veridyan" and "oh crap we printed a huge second run of these limited boxed sets due to the day 1 sellout demand, now if we release the Canoness, Repentia and Seraphim boxes nobody will ever touch those limited sets again!".
The latter argument slightly falls down because if true they should have also delayed the Penitent Engines and Arcos, instead releasing the Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier and Dialogus. But maybe they didn't want to be too obvious about it
could also be there's been a delay in the shipment. I think thiough GW just doesn't wanna over focus on one game. thus they're taking a 2 week break to give AOS some love and then returning to 40k
That doesn't really excuse not having the basic HQ model released alongside the basic infantry. It'd be like if GW no longer sold a Space Marine Captain. Or any other non-named Space MArine HQ choice.
Melissia wrote: That doesn't really excuse not having the basic HQ model released alongside the basic infantry. It'd be like if GW no longer sold a Space Marine Captain. Or any other non-named Space MArine HQ choice.
it's coming, I'm focusing on building and painting my girls, so the lack of the full range Im not sweating, now if they make us wait until June or something yeah I'm gonna be rightously pissed
BrianDavion wrote: I think thiough GW just doesn't wanna over focus on one game. thus they're taking a 2 week break to give AOS some love and then returning to 40k
Dunno. At this point I think they're using 40k as a spacer between AoS releases, at least until April. Dribble a few sisters here, a PA book and model there...
Winter/spring seems to have a lot of Elves, Underworlds and odds an ends (wrath and lizards) with giants looming like a shadow over everything else.
Casbyness wrote: I think it's a combination of "please buy Veridyan" and "oh crap we printed a huge second run of these limited boxed sets due to the day 1 sellout demand, now if we release the Canoness, Repentia and Seraphim boxes nobody will ever touch those limited sets again!".
The latter argument slightly falls down because if true they should have also delayed the Penitent Engines and Arcos, instead releasing the Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier and Dialogus. But maybe they didn't want to be too obvious about it
Eeeh the release schedule was set up months ago...
People really underestimate lead times. Schedule was set and locked even before the limited edition came to sale first time...Which btw isn't still univesally available. No boxes here ever since first print came to sale and gw store doesn't sell it either. It's just certain stores that have it.
And nobody touch limited sets? Apart from being cheaper than individual boxes they also have one distinct advantage: All poses are different to multi part kits. Sister with bolter is sister with bolter and extra bits don't then matter. Sister superior w/bolt pistol&chainsword is same regardless of spare bits. BUT the limited set ones provide alternative poses...Seeing the multi part are no more posable than the limited sets the sisters suffer from attack of the clones syndrome. Every single superior will look very samey and if they have same weapon there won't be any difference of note. At least with limited edition set or two you will have some alternative poses to have them.
I'm considering 3rd box just for alternative poses...Only issue being arco flagelants(have 30 already) and repentia(12+9+9=30 so 3 too many...).
Melissia wrote: That doesn't really excuse not having the basic HQ model released alongside the basic infantry. It'd be like if GW no longer sold a Space Marine Captain. Or any other non-named Space MArine HQ choice.
it's coming, I'm focusing on building and painting my girls, so the lack of the full range Im not sweating, now if they make us wait until June or something yeah I'm gonna be rightously pissed
Others would like to actually play with game though. Would suck if 1.5 months after main release started I could still not go to tournaments because GW decided basic HQ isn't worth selling in first month.
Casbyness wrote: I think it's a combination of "please buy Veridyan" and "oh crap we printed a huge second run of these limited boxed sets due to the day 1 sellout demand, now if we release the Canoness, Repentia and Seraphim boxes nobody will ever touch those limited sets again!".
The latter argument slightly falls down because if true they should have also delayed the Penitent Engines and Arcos, instead releasing the Rhino, Immolator, Imagifier and Dialogus. But maybe they didn't want to be too obvious about it
Eeeh the release schedule was set up months ago...
People really underestimate lead times. Schedule was set and locked even before the limited edition came to sale first time...Which btw isn't still univesally available. No boxes here ever since first print came to sale and gw store doesn't sell it either. It's just certain stores that have it.
And nobody touch limited sets? Apart from being cheaper than individual boxes they also have one distinct advantage: All poses are different to multi part kits. Sister with bolter is sister with bolter and extra bits don't then matter. Sister superior w/bolt pistol&chainsword is same regardless of spare bits. BUT the limited set ones provide alternative poses...Seeing the multi part are no more posable than the limited sets the sisters suffer from attack of the clones syndrome. Every single superior will look very samey and if they have same weapon there won't be any difference of note. At least with limited edition set or two you will have some alternative poses to have them.
I'm considering 3rd box just for alternative poses...Only issue being arco flagelants(have 30 already) and repentia(12+9+9=30 so 3 too many...).
Melissia wrote: That doesn't really excuse not having the basic HQ model released alongside the basic infantry. It'd be like if GW no longer sold a Space Marine Captain. Or any other non-named Space MArine HQ choice.
it's coming, I'm focusing on building and painting my girls, so the lack of the full range Im not sweating, now if they make us wait until June or something yeah I'm gonna be rightously pissed
Others would like to actually play with game though. Would suck if 1.5 months after main release started I could still not go to tournaments because GW decided basic HQ isn't worth selling in first month.
My store has 3 boxes left. I'm considering buying all 3 over time but hard now to pawn off the LE codex now that the other is available, same with cards.
H.B.M.C. wrote: So Mortifiers get 15 attacks, not 13. That extra attack gets the "make 3 attack" rule from the flails, meaning their 4x3 attacks actually becomes 5x3.
Did not see that coming.
It's how it works with Mortarion's scythe sweeps and with the Knight Seneschal warlord trait and stomps. All "Make 2/3 attacks for each attack" abilities work the same way in that regard.
No surprises here, just the expected change to the Canoness and a slightly unexpected reduction on Mortifier unit size (1-4 is correct).
I would count original codex loadout(bolter, power sword, rod of office) becoming illegal slight surprise. Hopefully nobody kitbashed that. Also slight nerf to the rod
Just noticed the doors on the rhino seem to have changed from the initial pic we saw, but everything else seems to be the same from what I can see.
I wonder why that was? I much prefer the first ones...
Krinsath wrote: The doors could be double-sided and the fancier side is just facing down in those pictures.
Maybe, but I don’t think two lip bits sticking out on the top of the ones in the sprue shot would fit into a rhino door hole if that was the inside of the door, but I might be wrong
H.B.M.C. wrote: So Mortifiers get 15 attacks, not 13. That extra attack gets the "make 3 attack" rule from the flails, meaning their 4x3 attacks actually becomes 5x3.
Did not see that coming.
Why? It's the plain reading of the rules.
Mortifiers have an Attack stat of 4. Having two penitent flails adds +1 Attack for a total of five. Five Attacks, each making three to-hit rolls, means 15 to-hit rolls.
I'm baffled by the fact that there was a need for this to be clarified at all.
You multiply before adding. That's why it needs clarification, as this goes against standard order of operations.
Except flail doesn"t multiply your attacks. It gives 3 hit rolls per attack. Different things and there are multiple examples of this before. Have you just started playing 8th ed by chance?
tneva82 wrote: Except flail doesn"t multiply your attacks. It gives 3 hit rolls per attack. Different things and there are multiple examples of this before. Have you just started playing 8th ed by chance?
A rose by any other name...
Look, I'm not disputing the ruling. If that's how they want to work it out then that's perfectly fine. The query was why that need clarification at all, and the reason is just that: Such a thing goes against standard orders of operation with mathematics. Doesn't mean GW can't ignore that if they want - they certainly can and obviously have - but it's a valid query in an FAQ.
tneva82 wrote: So if you multiply damage(say overchaged plasma) do you first multiply your attacks as well before rolling to hit? after all multiply first.
You multiply before adding. That's why it needs clarification, as this goes against standard order of operations.
This is indeed how GW have done it since I can recall.
Earliest example I can think of? Frenzy in WHFB up to around 6th Ed. Frenzy doubled your attacks. And most units with Frenzy as a standard rule had two hand weapons, which grant an extra attack. The order was double your profile attacks, then add one for two hand weapons.
Either way, it’s the definition of a Frequently Asked Question, because it’s a question, and frequently asked. Having a definitive answer is a good thing,
Where does it say that the +1 attack is unaffected by the "each attack rolls 3 to-hit rolls", HBMC?
I mean, aside from absolutely nowhere.
The weapons give three to-hit rolls per attack. Thus, adding one attack gives +3 to-hit rolls.
This is patently obvious.
tl;dr: Each Attack made with the Penitent Flails is 3 to-hit rolls. It doesn't say "multiply the number of attacks by three", but rather, every attack gives 3 to-hit rolls. Whether or not it's four attacks or five, each attack is 3 to-hit rolls. Thus, with one flail it's 12, and with two flails granting +1 attack, it's 15. Because that extra attack is also made with a pentitent flail.
This is simple and straightforward, and you're really stretching it hard to try to argue otherwise.
See, the funny thing is, normally, if I read "each attack rolls 3 to-hit rolls", my question would be "Ok. And then which one do I choose to see if I hit with that attack?"
You multiply before adding. That's why it needs clarification, as this goes against standard order of operations.
This is indeed how GW have done it since I can recall.
Earliest example I can think of? Frenzy in WHFB up to around 6th Ed. Frenzy doubled your attacks. And most units with Frenzy as a standard rule had two hand weapons, which grant an extra attack. The order was double your profile attacks, then add one for two hand weapons.
Either way, it’s the definition of a Frequently Asked Question, because it’s a question, and frequently asked. Having a definitive answer is a good thing,
Thing is there\s never multiplication of attacks here. And there's multiple examples in 40k of this very mechanism. So if you have been living under rock and have assumption that you double everything(even different things) before additions...Well guess if you are shooting with overcharged plasma you roll 2 hit rolls and wound rolls then. After all. Multiplications first. Even if you are multiplying and adding different things.
For what it's worth, I think there are instances where GW has been inconsistent with order of operations. Compare the application of aura buffs in AoS (multiply first then add) to the strength of say, a Catachan power fist.
That said, the flails are a different beast, and follow the same (fairly clear) paradigm that arco flagellants have followed for many editions: a total 'attacks' profile that gets its buffs applied, then multiplied by whatever the x factor of the weapon is to determine number of hit dice. I know every time I saw them on the tabletop the player who had never encountered them before was confused.
Albertorius wrote: See, the funny thing is, normally, if I read "each attack rolls 3 to-hit rolls", my question would be "Ok. And then which one do I choose to see if I hit with that attack?"
Yeah, that was my first thought, too!
The fact that it makes three rolls per attack was obvious, but then I was like "wait, so three to-hit rolls, does it mean three chances to hit with the same attack, or each hit can thus wound?" that gave me pause. Cause that's not normally how one thinks of attacks, like how the d# attacks still says that number of attacks, not that number of to-hit rolls. But it's definitely meant to give them a... very large number of attacks.
Casbyness wrote: Wow half a page of people attacking HBMC for saying something perfectly reasonable. It must be Friday.
Removed - Rule #1
They didn't FAQ to tell us if the “Moment of Grace” stratagem allow us to roll up to a 9 on a d6! Very rarely useful but if you want to save a mini with no invul against a high AP attack, could be useful.
I mean, saving an exorcist against an AP4 attack by saying “Yeah ok I use an act of faith to roll a 6, then I use 1CP and a bad miracle dice, try again!” could be a pretty fun gotcha moment!
Casbyness wrote: Wow half a page of people attacking HBMC for saying something perfectly reasonable. It must be Friday.
Removed - Rule #1
They didn't FAQ to tell us if the “Moment of Grace” stratagem allow us to roll up to a 9 on a d6! Very rarely useful but if you want to save a mini with no invul against a high AP attack, could be useful.
I mean, saving an exorcist against an AP4 attack by saying “Yeah ok I use an act of faith to roll a 6, then I use 1CP and a bad miracle dice, try again!” could be a pretty fun gotcha moment!
This is only possible on attacks that ignore invuls though. Literally nothing with AoF doesn't have SoF.
In other news, placing Junith on a 25mm base allows her to still (just about) be placed on her battle pulpit, whilst also letting you use her as a Canoness in other battles if needed.
Also it's possible to cut the hood off the Hospitaller model, if you want something more unique or have multiple copies and want them to look different.
Maybe they plan to wait another twenty years before releasing the rest of the models?
This is really super infuriating and I really cannot understand why they're doing this. I am sure plenty of people wanted to start a new sister army and get playing and now they can't.
Yep. As it is I'm praying Fanatic 2020 tournament registeration doesn't start any time soon if it's like other bigger tournaments "pay first, won't get paid back in case you cancel". Likely gets filled quickly and as is I don't dare to register now because starts to look I can't even count on sisters being playable start of april...Would suck to pay register fee and then have to cancel with no return because sisters still missing core releases.
This is a masterclass in how to completely kill the hype for a product that you carefully built up for almost two full years.
I feel like when the preorders for the rest of the range finally go up we should just ignore them for at least a month, in revenge for this pointless wait.
Crimson wrote: Maybe they plan to wait another twenty years before releasing the rest of the models?
This is really super infuriating and I really cannot understand why they're doing this. I am sure plenty of people wanted to start a new sister army and get playing and now they can't.
I am somewhat surprised but I think I can see a possible logic - if GW assumes that people have a certain hobby budget per month, they might think that spreading the releases out means that people will buy more than if they all drop at once. They may also think that they didn't want too many weeks of sisters in a row, pushing other stuff out on the release schedule and annoying people who aren't interested in sisters (wouldn't have stopped them releasing the whole range in two weeks though...). Or they might have just taken longer to get these particular models ready for release. It sucks, but there's possible reasons for it.
Crimson wrote: Maybe they plan to wait another twenty years before releasing the rest of the models?
This is really super infuriating and I really cannot understand why they're doing this. I am sure plenty of people wanted to start a new sister army and get playing and now they can't.
I am somewhat surprised but I think I can see a possible logic - if GW assumes that people have a certain hobby budget per month, they might think that spreading the releases out means that people will buy more than if they all drop at once. They may also think that they didn't want too many weeks of sisters in a row, pushing other stuff out on the release schedule and annoying people who aren't interested in sisters (wouldn't have stopped them releasing the whole range in two weeks though...). Or they might have just taken longer to get these particular models ready for release. It sucks, but there's possible reasons for it.
Yet ossirich got full range(10) out week after big box was released...They had more after 2 weeks than sisters in 5.
Plus it's starting to look like 7.3 is earliest for next preorder, almost 2 months after first.next week something, then likely 2 week for aos. Then back to 40k. Looking rather likely.