Thats another great model / paint job

Those gals are so pretty. And The Ossiarch Bonedudes are actually affordable, if that translates to the Sisters as well, whew. I have a slight feeling that we won't be that lucky, though.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Not sure where the mass complaining about not getting things earlier is coming from now that we're actually getting something, but it's perfectly believable that in the early plastics they couldn't actually pull most of this off. Having had the guardsman and GSC neophyte kits sitting on my work bench next to each other there's clearly been advances. And then after years of not doing anything with them, not having an internal driver supporting them and for some godawful reason never listening to their community, they thought that the faction was dead for the community as much as it was at GW. Then they actually talked to the community and found out they were wrong.

It's not difficult to understand how the people who produce a constant flood of marines don't see value in other smaller factions. Hopefully more interaction with the community will clear that up.

Bear in mind that social media has also enhanced and augmented niche voices by allowing them greater facility in finding each other and amplifying messaging through repetition. This is a new phenomenon from the “oughtteens” which may now give better market understanding to companies like GW.

Also bear in mind, that for a long time, the only market research available to companies was either: (a) buying preferences, which will get skewed by availability [e.g., “weird, no one is buying the stuff we aren’t selling—they must not be interested!”] and (b) explicit polling, which gets skewed by asking people to compare real things versus imaginary things [e.g., “do you like this space marine here or a sister of battle you imagine in your head?”]. As much as people may hate having their data sold around by places like Facebook, Instagram, Etc., the upside is also that companies can get insight into what we want possibly even better than we know ourselves.

...and then they can market test through meme dropping on social media and scraping profiles for posts and watching hype around tangential related things (like SoB outfits at cons, for example).

These are all things they couldn’t do 20 years ago.

Now, these are all things which people (rightfully) complain about in reference to social media also amplifying similarly niche views like alt right movements, data harvesting like Cambridge Analytica, and privacy invasion in general... but it sure does help sell product to niche markets like ours!

But, this is dakkadakka, I’m sure we can find some way to complain that GW didn’t invent Facebook, smart phones, and targeted online advertisement sooner which could have given us a full plastic SoB range in, like, 1987.

If I ever paint white like that, I'm done. There's just nothing left to do in this hobby.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Not sure where the mass complaining about not getting things earlier is coming from now that we're actually getting something, but it's perfectly believable that in the early plastics they couldn't actually pull most of this off. Having had the guardsman and GSC neophyte kits sitting on my work bench next to each other there's clearly been advances. And then after years of not doing anything with them, not having an internal driver supporting them and for some godawful reason never listening to their community, they thought that the faction was dead for the community as much as it was at GW. Then they actually talked to the community and found out they were wrong.

It's not difficult to understand how the people who produce a constant flood of marines don't see value in other smaller factions. Hopefully more interaction with the community will clear that up.

Is it really any more complaining than before? I like to think it's just the same old voices that aren't dismissed for the same old reasons anymore because now there are entirely new reasons to dismiss them.

The thing is someone who wanted plastic Sisters with the Witchunter codex fifteen years ago isn't going to stop having wanted that. Ever. Because the desire was there at the time and it wasn't fulfilled. That's not going to change anymore, no matter how much time passes or how many plastic kits we are about to get.

sieGermans wrote:
These are all things they couldn’t do 20 years ago.

Couldn't?

Is this the point where we have to remind everyone that GW knows its audience and that market research in a niche market is otiose?

It's pretty simple. Prior to November 2017 nobody even wanted plastic Sisters. People just spontaneously changed their minds on Sisters when GW changed their minds on market research.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Also awaiting the inevitable "muh boobie armor uffenzive" comments.

Interesting, seeing as nobody has been.

Do you also feel the need to check the sky every five minutes in case this time is actually falling?

Can't wait to see the full range. Exciting stuff.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
As plastic minis became more prevalent in the past 10 years (especially in GW's systems, but nowadays in historicals too), I think any army with plastic options has seen a lot more play than those purely existing in metal. Obviously, the expected popularity of a range would be a condition to invest in the production of moulds for plastic figures, but at the same time, those factions lacking plastics would rarely become popular. That doesn't mean there weren't potential customers for plastic SoB then, or that there aren't enough (to warrant the investment) of them around now.

This is worth considering. The bad old days are gone and we live in a plastic paradise now. In my personal experience getting someone new to the hobby to even consider metal models is harder than introducing them to the idea of kitbashing plastic kits.

I always thought of GW's golden age of plastic models beginning with 3rd ed. New plastic Marines, loyalist and traitor, plastic Guardsmen, plastic Hormagaunts that somehow managed to fall over even worse than the old metals, the introduction of Tau and (sorta) Necrons with many plastic kits to form the core of their model range - it seemed like everyone would get at least their Troops choice in plastic. Sisters, along with Grey Knights, turned out to be the outlier. When a full Grey Knights range in plastic was launched in 5th ed plastic Sisters were long overdue and it only got worse from there.

At some point people simply stopped putting up with metals in large enough numbers that an army like Sisters holds no appeal enough to spend money on them. As such there is simply no grounds for debating the popularity of Sisters before they're available in plastic and therefore comparable to all the other armies. The world had long moved on and Sisters are only catching up now.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Do you belong to other groups that discuss 40k, outside of this one? You know those exist, right?

Great, those other groups exists! Now go stir artificial controversy there instead of here, thanks .

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Reds8n

Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I'm not sure about this, but I won't underestimate the collectors. For years, I would buy GW models "because it looks cool". I had a Knight on my shelf for 3 years before I actually thought about playing it in a game. But then again, the money actual players throw down is a lot more, I'd think.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

Well, yeah. For some reason, a lot of women love Tyranids.

Or Nurgle stuff.

That's kind of weird. I showed my gal Necromunda models, because she demanded the right to intrude on my recreational time and ensure I was incapable of escaping her torment. (Her words, not mine).

She likes the Ambots. And Chaos Cults. So... now I have to Satan up an Ambot.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

I managed a few 8th edition games in New Delhi but nothing in 2+ years.

Nonetheless I'm ready to declare myself 40k champion of Upper and Lower Egypt.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

The two new painted Sisters look awesome. I like that white scheme.

I will agree with Erjack. But of those people who play 1 game and quit, I would say that a decent percentage of them continue to collect & paint.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
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Reds8n

Well I guess that used to be an answer to my post. I'll never know what was in there but if it became some big red text I guess it's a good thing.
You know what else is a good thing? Just a few more hours before the next reveals (that's very likely to include some Sisters stuff)!!

Oh baby

Whoa! and it looks like the Exorcist and Immolator have gained a Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter. More weapons for purging the witch, mutant, and heretic!

Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Those are by far the most incredible looking vehicles I've ever seen.

GW just nailed these. I'm so glad they haven't lost the gothic touch, I was getting super worried with all the bad primaris stuff.

These are absolutely incredible.

That's one funky helmet

Those look amazing. I really want to build them. Dont plan to start a sisters army, but I really want to build these kits. Maybe a friend will let me build his?


If you took the Dark Angel's symbols off the dark talon, it would fit in pretty well as a sisters flier to match these tanks.

I love it. The new Immolator and Exorcist take everything that was great about the old models and ramp them up to 11 and then spin the dial AGAIN.

Goodness gracious those are gorgeous!!

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed - this is the first new Sororitas units that I am not as keen on.

I will get one of each as command vehicles but not as keen as I had hoped - more on the Immolator than the Exorcist. I guess they had to make enough changes to make you get new ones - need to see them in the flesh though

So hv Bolter in the hull and is that a quad flamer /multi-melta?

Being plastic, should be easy enough for you guys to tone it down with a knife and plasticard though, right?

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Same. Too much with no real payoff.

Looks like a dual kit, as well.

 Alpharius wrote:
Being plastic, should be easy enough for you guys to tone it down with a knife and plasticard though, right?

I'll probably pick and choose the add ons - yeah.

I wonder if the HV bolter is instead of the Storm bolter?

Glad to see them and looking forward to seeing them appearing on the tables around the world

I wonder what people would think with a different paint scheme. The new azad rly all black makes it look blocker than it needs to. Paint everything above the main hull in stonework grey, or see what it looks like in that white scheme from the sister picture earlier.

The immolator does look upgunned compared to the old one. Sisters version of the flame storm cannons on the redeemer? And in place of the twin multimelta, maybe the melta cannons from the IG devil dog?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I wonder what people would think with a different paint scheme. The new azad rly all black makes it look blocker than it needs to. Paint everything above the main hull in stonework grey, or see what it looks like in that white scheme from the sister picture earlier.

Coukld be right and as was suggested some elements will be optional - although I think its cost me more to have these painted than the base Immolators!

 Alpharius wrote:
Being plastic, should be easy enough for you guys to tone it down with a knife and plasticard though, right?

Dropping that huge stained glass window down by about half it's height may help.

That's a hell of a lot of plastic for a heavy flamer razorback.

Cherubs for the Cherub God! Flames for the Flame Throne!

Flanderisation to the max but bloody gorgeous modes.

So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

I really like the Exorcist. It's the right kind of "Organ of Death" and really amps up the original design.

The Immolator has issues, the first of which being that the window at the front is far too tall. The other is that shrine on the back. It blocks the turret! Otherwise it looks fantastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

To be fair, the side hatches/doors are round.

Them some pretty tanks!

Love the Exorcist, (glad I never actually assembled/painted my old one, will have to figure out how to add a hull-mounted Heavy Bolter to it). The Immolator looks really cool, but I do prefer the older design, (once again, I'll have to figure out ho to alter my current ones for the HMHB). If it is indeed a dual kit, I'll be buying one, building the Exorcist, and then making plans for the tasty Immolator bits. I wonder if the stained glass window is translucent or not? (can anyone tell?)

Sadly the Retributor is still notable by it's absence.

One has to have been raised in a Catholic country with giant gotic , romantic and baroque Cathedrals everywhere to really appreciate the beauty of the new Inmolator, sorry.

So the final Bulletin will show us the actual non-starter box kits, I presume?

 Breotan wrote:
To be fair, the side hatches/doors are round.

And people here swore blind that they couldn't possible work with the existing Rhino kit, so it had to be a new Rhino.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
To be fair, the side hatches/doors are round.

And people here swore blind that they couldn't possible work with the existing Rhino kit, so it had to be a new Rhino.

Looking closer at it, I'm pretty sure it is a new kit. As in completely new and not just an add-on sprue. The sides have been completely redesigned and are clearly based on the Deimos. The front doesn't look like something glued on top of a standard Rhino. I'm looking at one of my Rhinos right now and I don't think there's a single sprue from the old Rhino kit used here.

I feel like they’ve gone too far with those tanks. It’s the first thing i’ve seen in the range I don’t like.

Maybe it is then. The Rhino is two sprues, right? So maybe it just uses the sides/tracks, but has a unique chassis.

The Rhino Hull is split across the two sprues, with the left and right sides on different spures. I can't see them including anything from it in this new kit.

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

As someone who has always lobed the over the top idea of the Exorcist as it was, this just makes me even happier. Great kit, nice update all around and looks like a painter's sub-assembly nightmare.

Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

I really like the Exorcist. It's the right kind of "Organ of Death" and really amps up the original design.

The Immolator has issues, the first of which being that the window at the front is far too tall. The other is that shrine on the back. It blocks the turret! Otherwise it looks fantastic.

It was fair speculation based on teasers, there’s no need for 20/20 hindsight snarky pops at others. And it literally is a Deimos Rhino chassis with bolted-on bling, so, ya know, it ain’t a Rhino but is also is.

 alextroy wrote:
The Rhino Hull is split across the two sprues, with the left and right sides on different spures. I can't see them including anything from it in this new kit.

You're right. Plus, on second look, I just don't think that the gold swirly patterns on the hull would be separate bits you stick on (they'd never line up properly and would end up looking a bit janky). Makes far more sense for them to be part of the moulded panels.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

I really like the Exorcist. It's the right kind of "Organ of Death" and really amps up the original design.

The Immolator has issues, the first of which being that the window at the front is far too tall. The other is that shrine on the back. It blocks the turret! Otherwise it looks fantastic.

Yup. Exorcist is the correct amount of crazy, but I'm not even slightly sold on the Immolator, it just looks derpy.

Does the rose window on the Immolator have a Nurgle simple on it? I wonder if it is cast in clear plastic and painted with the contrast paints.

In a word: Perfection.

Forget all the infantry stuff. Woop de doo. These vehicles are what shall violate my wallet next year.

Woah, with such models (and with the added HMHB) I wonder if the rules for the immolator are going to stay close to what they are now. With sharing the same hull as the exorcist rather than the rhino I could see it become sturdier. And the top platform is so big that it makes me wonder if it will still keep some transport capacity rather than become more of a big tank. Though the step around the side hatch certainly make it sound like it will still work as a transport. The exorcist also has those but I guess it's just a result of being a dual kit!

What models are still unrevealed? Afaict, the various priests (if they get upgrades), the sister dialogus (gonna miss the current derpy geeky cutie one), painted/full versions of the retributor, maybe new dedicated models for the dominions?

Those tanks are glorious.

The window on the immolator is perhaps a bit big for my taste, but it certainly fits the aesthetic!


I really want to build the exorcist organ onto a titan. I know it's been done with the current kit, but this would be much more fun!

Also, did anyone notice in the video of the Immolator kit that that stained glass is actually a semi-transparent piece????

*conspiracy theory mind activates*

Of course it's a new Rhino! Why would GW want to make anything that uses a kit made for the mini-Marines? All this does is lend more credence to the idea that all our Mk.II to Mk.VIII friends will be turned into "Legends" sooner rather than later.

 insaniak wrote:
I really want to build the exorcist organ onto a titan.

Will it fit atop a Knight?

I guess these will be 2 different kits? After the AdMech transport anything's possible, but the sheer amount of different plastic between these two vehicles makes me wonder.

 John Prins wrote:
I guess these will be 2 different kits? After the AdMech transport anything's possible, but the sheer amount of different plastic between these two vehicles makes me wonder.

I could see one sprue with the sides, glacis, belly, and rear of the tank, and a separate sprue for the upper elements that make either the exorcist or immolator variants. Not sure if there is an upper hull plate that the upper works sit on top of, of if the side plates include a lip and there is just a hollow in the middle.

And I still think that is more flamestorm cannon than mere heavy flamer.

Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I really want to build the exorcist organ onto a titan.

Will it fit atop a Knight?

Should do... I recall seeing one online somewhere, although on reflection I'm not sure if it used Exorcist parts or was done from scratch.

Size wise, though, it should work. Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

drbored wrote:
Also, did anyone notice in the video of the Immolator kit that that stained glass is actually a semi-transparent piece????

I suspect it's clear plastic stained with contrast paints.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
I guess these will be 2 different kits? After the AdMech transport anything's possible, but the sheer amount of different plastic between these two vehicles makes me wonder.

I could see one sprue with the sides, glacis, belly, and rear of the tank, and a separate sprue for the upper elements that make either the exorcist or immolator variants. Not sure if there is an upper hull plate that the upper works sit on top of, of if the side plates include a lip and there is just a hollow in the middle.

And I still think that is more flamestorm cannon than mere heavy flamer.

It's an Immolation flamer with an updated look to show the difference.

jake wrote:Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

It's not just you...

ERJAK wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

I thought the FW Exorcist was great. The Sisters aesthetic took a hard turn toward over the top with Witch Hunters (which was cool in its own way), but the FW Exorcist and Repressor were a great match for the original Immolator and perfect for those of us who preferred the Sisters aesthetic originally presented in the 2nd edition codex.

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

 jake wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

I thought the FW Exorcist was great. The Sisters aesthetic took a hard turn toward over the top with Witch Hunters (which was cool in its own way), but the FW Exorcist and Repressor were a great match for the original Immolator and perfect for those of us who preferred the Sisters aesthetic originally presented in the 2nd edition codex.

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

If so then it made sense at the time. As jake says, it was before the Witch Hunters went full gothic (in fact before all of 40K went full gothic thanks to ripple effects from the Inquisitor game).

I like both the old Exorcists, fence-sitting heretic that I am. I also like the new one. Not too keen on the new Immolator, but it's not bad. I hope that stained glass window is extremely bulletproof, or life will not be fun for the turret gunner...

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

But the key point there, surely, is that he does need the game in order to justify his habit.

Hell I almost never play these days, even after switching to mostly collecting skirmish-system forces, but I still structure my purchases based on the game systems I enjoy in case I do get an opportunity to game with them. When the games are in a bad way, my enthusiasm for related projects declines, even if that makes almost no logical sense.

The fact of the matter is when GW mismanages the gaming side of things, their sales suffer. That's not to say they have to cater to tournament types - I'd even argue they shouldn't do so, as hardcore all-RAW-all-the-time rulesets can be just as offputting to casual collectors as generally rubbish rulesets - but they do have to meet a minimum standard of quality, and I'd wager even most "collectors" like to think of themselves as gamers, at least in a hypothetical "if I had more time/motivation/hobby friends I'd game more frequently" kind of way.

Eh, in my original post, I was not trying to be super precise. I would consider people like you to be collectors, more or less. You have Skirmish forces for how many factions, for example? Do you buy your forces as necessary to take advantage of the rules and fill out your list, or do you buy forces in the structure and proportion of a legal game army with plenty of options, none of which you use because you almost never play?

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

fox-light713 wrote:

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it looks like the gun emplacement is fixed to the hull and doesn't rotate at all.

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

If so then it made sense at the time. As jake says, it was before the Witch Hunters went full gothic (in fact before all of 40K went full gothic thanks to ripple effects from the Inquisitor game).

I may be misrepresenting when the FW Exorcist and Repressor were released. I know I didn't buy either until after Witch Hunters, You're right though. Even though the gothic stuff was always there in 40k, people forget that it was MUCH less pronounced in pre-Witch Hunters. They kind of went nuts after that, and a lot of people now think of that as what 40K is supposed to be. Which is fine, of course. We all have different preferences.

 insaniak wrote:
Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

No, no, no. I want a Knight with a Knight-sized Sisters helmet (whatever their actual name is). That'd be awesome.

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

I can live with the exorcist's size, but on the immolator, I wish the front stained glass was half the size. That and the flamers seem much larger than the 'slightly extra range' heavy flamers on the previous immolator. I feel like I'm going to be disappointed by a lack of specialness with them.

For the detail work itself, I'm fairly happy with everything but the mega exhaust pipes/braziers.






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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

No, no, no. I want a Knight with a Knight-sized Sisters helmet (whatever their actual name is). That'd be awesome.

Sabot pattern helm for the sisters helmet (IIRC).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Eh, in my original post, I was not trying to be super precise. I would consider people like you to be collectors, more or less. You have Skirmish forces for how many factions, for example? Do you buy your forces as necessary to take advantage of the rules and fill out your list, or do you buy forces in the structure and proportion of a legal game army with plenty of options, none of which you use because you almost never play?

Probably dozens of factions over multiple different systems, but I don't see myself as a "collector" any more than a "gamer"; I feel no urge to be completionist, nor to acquire "rares", I place no value on exclusivity(indeed I find it annoying as all hell, and outright reprehensible if it's artificial), I don't keep things in original packaging. I can be drawn to a project by fiction, visuals, rules, or some combination in any given instance, and all are a consideration while I plan out a project. I'd always taken that to be pretty much the default "hobbyist" mode of operation, with how much any given person gets to game depending on their circumstances and other commitments.

I'd wager the numbers of people who care only or almost entirely only about collecting, or painting for its own sake, or gaming above all other concerns are probably roughly equivalent and in all cases a minority compared to the general mass of people who value all aspects to a greater or lesser degree, which is why GW suffer when they ignore any one aspect; it's not that they'd alienating big monolithic blocs of customers with a single interest, it's that they'd alienate one of those smaller groups and a big chunk of their Joe Workshop average hobbyist types who want reasonably good quality in every aspect of the product and process.

I like how the Exorcist and Immolator now have an extra heavy bolter for reasons, meaning that everyone with existing models won't be WYSIWYG.

Nice.


Not really a fan of the tanks. They're just way too over the top and chonky.

Why do the exhausts have braziers on top? How do they exhaust?
Why do the Immolator's flamers have barrels coming out of the barrels?
How difficult are the models going to be to transport with all those cherubs hanging off them?
'Gothic' has been flanderised to literally having stained glass windows on tanks.
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?
The rockets peeking out of the Exorcist organ look pretty dumb.

The tanks are salvageable I guess. The Immolators window is ridiculous, and not in a good way. But overall they're overdone, messy and lack clarity of design.

A different paint job might help, too.

 jake wrote:

fox-light713 wrote:

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it looks like the gun emplacement is fixed to the hull and doesn't rotate at all.

The extended bases for the flying buttresses on the front don't align with the hull and the corner rivets. You can see a rivet underneath one of them, too. Which means it's a raised part, and thus possibly still a turret turret. It is hard to see, I agree. It doesn't help that from this angle it looks like the fence in the back would stop the turret from turning.

Gotta say, wasn't blown away with the vehicles so far. Though the painted pics of the new infantry models looks great. I guess it's good, saves me some temptation but the tanks just look way too blocky and super tall.

For when you just refuse to acknowledge that less really is more...

 Geifer wrote:
The extended bases for the flying buttresses on the front don't align with the hull and the corner rivets. You can see a rivet underneath one of them, too. Which means it's a raised part, and thus possibly still a turret turret. It is hard to see, I agree. It doesn't help that from this angle it looks like the fence in the back would stop the turret from turning.

Definitely looks to me like it can turn!

The tanks are absolutely fabulous, everything and more I wanted from them, they are the most 40k thing we have seen in a while , nice to see them dividing opinion, you either love them or you're wrong .
Fact is GW couldn't win, these models are very much in keeping with the original designs and had they gone "bland" people would have moaned that the new versions were not like the old versions, they keep the over all look and they are too over the top....

Obispudkenobi wrote:
Fact is GW couldn't win, these models are very much in keeping with the original designs

Ironically the original immolator was design with practicality in mind - it was a razorback with the turret moved forwards (to improve troop access), low profile, fast, and cheap.

Aside from being more conspicuous Marnius Calgars personal landraider this new one clearly doesn't have fire points (in keeping with 8th), but with the extra guns and bling i'm expecting the price to go up making it less desirable to field as a transport unless they've really amped up the weapons, and I somehow doubt they've made it faster.

Will find out soon enough of course but i'm getting one hell of a 'pentagon wars' vibe from it. 8e hellhounds have should that flame tanks have the potential to be good at least.


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 insaniak wrote:
Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

That doesn't seem correct. The hybrid exorcist was released in 2004 with the new immolator kit but the forgeworld kits were definitely release prior to Codex: Witch Hunters, some time around 2002-2003 (they were pictured in Imperial Armour 2 for instance).

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how the Exorcist and Immolator now have an extra heavy bolter for reasons, meaning that everyone with existing models won't be WYSIWYG.

Nice.


Not really a fan of the tanks. They're just way too over the top and chonky.

...at first glance, i liked them more, but you've got good points in that post. so we know they'll likely be more expensive to field because of the bolters, and the modeling issue, but that can be a work around. i really don't get why multiple orders are on it, and the cherubs may be nice for show, but yeah.. another thing id like to not be on them personally to complicate things, so theres a fair bit to lop off of these things.

yay for a bunch more things in the piece box I didn't really want. first things that slightly bugged me on them is the long mask? (interface?) on the exorcist, and the size of said stained glass tank window... well, at LEAST these can be stripped down, but how much can it be before you take a chunk out of what you paid for. and how much ARE these gonna be?

Those tanks are dumb. They have taken iconic models and made them look utterly trash.

The stained glass window on the Immolator is just simply too tall and seems just too over the top.

Also from a gaming point of view, true line of sight is going to have a field day with these... I can see the fluer de lys on the top of the stained glass window of your tank. I can shoot it

The new tanks look Redeemer-level of overdone (as in the stuff from the old Necromunda comic), and I am OK with that ^_^.

The new tanks look good, my only displeasure comes from the stained glass window on the Immolator, if it were half the height it'd be pretty much perfect.

I'm very curious to see if there's some other detail on the back, some kind of divine HUD.

it also looks like it'll stand on it's own enough that there will probably end up being some third party bits with a smaller window.

I think the new Exorcist is an improvement on the metal/plastic one. Being able to see the missiles IMO makes it actually look like a weapon system that's been stylized to look like a pipe organ, rather than a pipe organ that supposedly chucks out missiles, and most exorcists I've seen have the pipes slanting backwards, now they're straight up, which is a lot better from a physics perspective.

I honestly still prefer the forge world one, as I like the sisters being more businesslike, but this is definitely better than before.

The Immolator, OTOH, is far too overdone for my tastes, but it looks rectifiable by cutting back the flamer nozzles and leaving out or cutting down the stained glass window.

Hull mounted heavy bolter is a nice firepower upgrade for single weapon tanks. I hope we'll get the option to upgrade it to a heavy flamer and/or multi-melta.

I'm really hoping that the cherubs are easily removed/left off - they look far too prone to breaking off.

At any rate, these things will take a long time to paint with all the fiddly bits.

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

I they look fairly good, so I happy. But I would like to see a new tank as well.

Ignispacium wrote:
The new tanks look good, my only displeasure comes from the stained glass window on the Immolator, if it were half the height it'd be pretty much perfect.

Looking at it I think it would be easy enough to cut the bottom half off without losing the fancy parts and reducing the length....said the vicar

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

Hyperbole aside, you don't like it fine, you're entitled to a crappy opinion. But the exorcist and immolator scream exactly what the sisters should have. It's over the top exactly as it should be.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

There's always Whirlwinds to substitute.

I'm exhausted at even the prospect of painting either of those tanks, and I paint a lot of Guild Ball models where the belt's belt's have belts.

For people that don't like that much bling I don't think it will be difficult to just dont put those pieces. Like the Primaris Repulsor. It looks dumb with everything on him but if you just don't put the missile boxes and other small things it looks much cleaner for people that prefer that style.

 John Prins wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

There's always Whirlwinds to substitute.

Exactly. The FW Exorcist was just a alt design for a whirlwind.

I need GW to understand that these are the BEST tanks they've ever made. I can't even put into words how much I love these. I'm converting basically every imperial tank i'll ever get in the future from these.

More of this GW, please. I need Black Templars to look like this.

Always more bling, always more.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

A quick search found one meme about the helmet, and one reference to title you referenced, which was your own post on here.

I absolutely love these tanks. The rediculously excessive bling is exactly what I want from a faction that is supposed to make the Catholic Church look restrained.
They also look easy to make plainer if that is what you want. It would be extremely easy to remove the stained glass windshield or cut it to reduce its size. Between this and last week’s cherub preview I think this release is shapaing up very nicely.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

The tanks are the best and most 40k models I've seen in a long time. Absolutely love them.

Even if their rules turn out to be "if you take this, your opponent automatically wins on a rerollable 2+", one of each does belong into every SoB collection.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank.

You know you can just buy Whirlwind or Scorpius if you like atheist, business-like look (which is totally fitting Sisters ) and call it a day, right?

I really don't get the whine here, if you think there is too much X on these you can easily clip that off. It's adding detail that is difficult, not removing it. GW went with full suite as a base, if you want to tone it down, you need all of 5 minutes with file and knife, done. And anyway, it's kind of funny, GW toned down ridiculous caricatures marines became in last decade or so and it's nOt EnOuGh GoThIc, GW kept gothic elements with sisters and now it's ToO mUcH gOtHiC. GW really can't win, eh?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

That and if the power armor takes a hit to it's power supply, that helmet is going to break her neck.



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 Irbis wrote:
GW toned down ridiculous caricatures marines became in last decade or so and it's nOt EnOuGh GoThIc, GW kept gothic elements with sisters and now it's ToO mUcH gOtHiC. GW really can't win, eh?

Actually I'm very much in favor of the non-gothic SM, and find the Too Much Gothic SOB to be exactly that.

Not sure why, but I like the new Exorcist better than the previous one. The new Immolator is going to make my old metal/plastic hybrid ones look...quaint.

The tanks look great. It is just a shame that they didn't use this same chassis for the Rhino as well. Not that it will be hard to build a (quite overpriced) 'command Rhino' with this kit. I might do that.

The amount if bling is pretty great. The only thing that gives me a pause it is the stained glass window. It is a great looking piece in itself, but as others have noted, it is kinda tall for such a compact vehicle. In any case - again, as noted - leaving off extra bling is much easier than adding it.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

Tanks so sanctified that they shield your eyes from heresy with additional devotional icons? It is written that a sister's strongest weapon is her faith, and the immolator cannon is, in many ways, really therefore just more of a side-arm to that, so if a compromise must be made...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

That and if the power armor takes a hit to it's power supply, that helmet is going to break her neck.

Well yeah, its impractical, but isn't that you'd expect fanatics to do? Aren't fanatics all about sacrificing common sense in favor of ideology?
As I said, if you don't want impracticality, then don't play the faction that's composed of religious fanatics who think prayer will block gun fire...though in Sororitas's case it seems to work, so I guess it is practical then?

Also remember that they fight heresy and those consortium with literal daemons, where faith and relics are demonstrably proven to deter, wound, and kill the daemonic.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

I really like the Exorcist. It's the right kind of "Organ of Death" and really amps up the original design.

The Immolator has issues, the first of which being that the window at the front is far too tall. The other is that shrine on the back. It blocks the turret! Otherwise it looks fantastic.

It was fair speculation based on teasers, there’s no need for 20/20 hindsight snarky pops at others. And it literally is a Deimos Rhino chassis with bolted-on bling, so, ya know, it ain’t a Rhino but is also is.

Umm we saw rhino already and knew it was not deimos. But we also knew deimos vehicles were incoming(hint being gw flat out saying so) and look at that. We got deimos vehicle. In fact after rhino was revealed it was pretty much public secret they did it like this. Question is why though

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Also remember that they fight heresy and those consortium with literal daemons, where faith and relics are demonstrably proven to deter, wound, and kill the daemonic.

The average daemon is t3. Everything wounds and kills the daemonic just fine, regardless of whether its overbuilt or utterly practical.

I can get not liking these new tanks if you favored a more practical sisters set up- not every order had the ornate vehicles.

but I feel like i have to start asking what people mean when they say something is "the most 40k thing." for me, im neutral on these at this point, because im somewhere between ornate and practical.

It's not like i wasn't going to have to trim off parts elsewhere in this selection already. i wonder if i bought one of every box, how much plastic would be unbuilt.

I think the new Exorcist looks nice, much easier to build, not so sure about the Immolator, nothing wrong with the old ones tbf.

To a certain extent, I actually think that the amount of ornamentation on the Sororitas tanks goes against their central theme of faith being a weapon.

The Sisters shouldn't need to cover every available surface with gilding, statuary, and shrines, because their strength is derived from THEIR faith - not from a bunch of statues and relics bolted to their metal bawkses.

The 2nd edition Immolator is a functional, utilitarian, brutal looking vehicle (although still with a bit of ornamentation to distinguish it from an Astartes tank). It looks more like the sort of vehicle that you'd expect a severe order of warrior nuns to use, rather than being a blinged out reliquary with tracks.

Also, why is a vehicle which was only created in M35 (at the earliest - we don't have an exact date for the Fornosian Accord) based on a variant of the Rhino chassis which is considered 'past it's best' (Imperial Armour 2)? The MkIb is no longer even produced (by Astartes forges, at least).
The MkII or MkIII Rhino hulls makes way more sense than the MkI for what is effectively the Sororitas' main tank.
And it isn't as if the Sororitas don't have access to the superior later hull, since the new Rhino is a MkIIc.

New Exorcist isn't doing it for me. I uave 4 of the original ones and I don't think I'll be replacing them. The ImmolatorI'm sure will be fixed by dropping the window down.

Like I get that people think Sisters are supposed to be WOWIE ZOWIE CATHOLISISM TO THE xXxTREME STARTING DWAYNE THE ROCK JOHNSON but the old Exorcist hit that sweet spot of being over the top but not SO over the top that it becomes a Flanderised parody of itself. This new Exorcist saw that line between balanced design and Age Of Sigmar silliness and just rumbled right over it like Horus himself was lying on it. Also the drivers helmet makes her look like a Dark Souls boss.

The Immolator is slightly more excusable but I still prefer the old one. It was a practicle tank but it had design elements that identified it as a religious weapon without screaming it at you and shoving your face in it.

Also the Forge World exorcist was horrible.

Fair points, the newer models do certainly look more extravagant. I don't think they are AoS levels of absurdity, but they do approach it a bit more.
The stained glass on the immolator is probably pushing it a little and should behind the driver. I get what they are going for, it just doesn't look right up front. They should have kept the old turret, and put the stained glass at the back to make it look like a little chapel.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Fair points, the newer models do certainly look more extravagant. I don't think they are AoS levels of absurdity, but they do approach it a bit more.

agreed. Not quite AOS but just enough to remind you how nuts/devout the sororitas are. You never go full AOS tho.

I really like the new versions of both and am looking forward to building/kitbash/convert them.

Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

I like the Exorcist, but the Immolator... Not a fan of that huge stained glass thing. I prefer the previous Immolator to this new one.

Voss wrote:
Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

Their new army is skeletons in power armor made of skeletons.

 Sim-Life wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

Their new army is skeletons in power armor made of skeletons.

The first army they released were golden space marines with big crossbows called boltstorms and said space marines ride around on dragons and gryphons.
Then they released steampunk dwarfs being lifted around the battlefield with armored balloons. One of them even has an armored top hat and monocle. I mean a literal top hat, not the tall hats that chaos dwarfs had. Because that would have made some sort of sense thematically.

 insaniak wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

My memory is the Exorcist showed up in one of the Chapter Approved lists with no model or art.

The FW came after, and the pipe organ third.

Very cool tanks,

I see that some of the imperium may still have the sense to avoid the taint of chaos that is at work in the new Imperial grav tech...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

I think that there may be a different problem at root.

The trouble is not the game playing, but the fact that the rules in way structure how we understand the models that we collect.
Who and what and why is this a model of and what can he or she or it do, his her its weaknesses and so on...
all of this is from rules and stories.
Where these confound expectations, or like recent stuff just seem to suffer from a 'more faster sell 'em while the Ip is hot" sort of profiteering business management,
well, it feels wrong...
So, people that do not play the game ( as I - just not loving the lack of immersion in the new 40k to take the time..)
might be wating for a better set of rules to make the time to play the game.

I wish that i could say yeah, this is how I want to spend my time.
Instead, I suppose that I end up spending some fraction of it typing these words...
small fraction..

One person has a bad hot take and everyone else spends way too much time giving them attention.

I think the tanks embody everything that Sisters of Battle and 40k is. The Exorcist is THE MOST 40K tank they've made.

Giant shrine pipe organs playing holy music while launching ballistic missiles and surrounded by skull-faced baby-robots and piloted by a person with a church for a helmet. It's incredible, it's perfect. One person with a bad opinion and/or mood isn't going to ruin that for me.

 Crimson wrote:
The tanks look great. It is just a shame that they didn't use this same chassis for the Rhino as well. Not that it will be hard to build a (quite overpriced) 'command Rhino' with this kit. I might do that..

Looking at the "basic" Rhino https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/battle-sister-bulletin-part-16-your-first-painted-vehiclesgw-homepage-post-3/ I think the two kits look to be fairly compatible. Swapping the front plate and roof should get you a fancy Deimos Pattern Rhino and a(slightly less fancy) Mars pattern Exorcist/Immolator.

I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

 insaniak wrote:
I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

that would be dope

 insaniak wrote:
I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

...that reminds me. they didn't say anything about celestians yet, did they? will they be getting such an option? i hope so...

I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Helmet of the Exorcist's driver resembles a design in Blanche's artwork



And I'm very happy that they did.

Now I like the head more. I couldn't get behind it at first. Cool though it had some Blanchistu basis.

Yup. It's absolutely ridiculous, and I love it.

..well, that KIND of saves that head for me, but i still don't like it. at least theres a basis for that silliness prior.

I just figured she had periscopes attached to the eye sockets on the helmet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I just figured she had periscopes attached to the eye sockets on the helmet.

Or her eyes are linked to the cherubs. She sees all that the lil babbies see

I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

 Segersgia wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Helmet of the Exorcist's driver resembles a design in Blanche's artwork.

Good find. Interesting!

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

I do hope there's some variation. I mean, I know I want to use the Immolator's rear shrine as a piece of terrain somewhere else.

Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

Well we really haven't seen any of the units. We've seen the basic minis that will be in the Ltd. Ed. box, but we haven't seen the real kits for Sisters, Seraphim, Archos, Penitent Engines, other HQ/characters and so on.

We've got the odd glimpse, bad photo, or instagram pic, but nothing substantial.

I'd like to think that there were some -new- SoB units in there, but I'm more concerned about them cutting things (like Dominions and Celestians) because they don't have specific kits and have always been made of general SoB minis (much like Trueborn and Bloodbrides).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

I do hope there's some variation. I mean, I know I want to use the Immolator's rear shrine as a piece of terrain somewhere else.

I need at least ONE of those stained glass pieces, because I've got a idea for a Necromunda chapel scenario- I'm going to put a small light behind that window and let the colors shine through into the cathedral area.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I'd like to think that there were some -new- SoB units in there, but I'm more concerned about them cutting things (like Dominions and Celestians) because they don't have specific kits.

.... chalk that up as a fear as well. we haven't seen either one, have we? i was REALLY hoping they'd do something to the Celestians to make them more worth it, but... it WOULD be easier to just remove them.

losing anything would be a terrible blow. like i think the Repressor is about to be.

I'd love a really ornate Celestian kit that have very-clearly more senior Sisters, with fancier armour, robes, and really cool looking gilded weapons.

Of course, there are Retributors as well. Will they get a box, or will Sisters come with 10 girls and enough guns to do Retributors or Dominions a regular Sister squad?

I guess the next bulletin will give us a bit more detail, given it's the final one before release.

As for the Repressor... well... it was never really a GW Sisters kit. But at the same time, was't the Exorcist also FW only once upon a time?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As for the Repressor... well... it was never really a GW Sisters kit. But at the same time, was't the Exorcist also FW only once upon a time?

I think it was a GW kit, but I could be mistaken.

Also, I kind of want to make a Stevie Wonder miniature to play on it.

I think Lady Gaga somehow fits better with SoBs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think Lady Gaga somehow fits better with SoBs.

Well, it's not like Stevie Wonder noticed he was in a women's only unit. He just thought all the guys were being quiet or at work or something.

And let's be fair, Lady Gaga would probably be playing music for another artistically-inclined faction...

Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. And yes, I mean it's still ridiculous even withing a setting with chainsaw swords and giant superhuman space men yelling at each other.

...I'm hoping they make this, because I'll probably use it for a terrain project.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

My memory is the Exorcist showed up in one of the Chapter Approved lists with no model or art.

The FW came after, and the pipe organ third.

That's my memory as well.

I'm okay with either the FW one or the Pipe Organ one.

The more I look at those tanks, the more I love them. I cannot wait to get my hands on a couple of those kits, and see what else I can add to them.

And stained glass shields… Brilliant!

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's assuming Celestians and Dominions even make the cut.

Most of my criticism comes from storage and transportation angle. My sisters force with me compact and just enough to scratch that urge and be an allied force. The size seems a bit overly tall and gaudy for lack of a better term.

I get why people love them but they look a little too large and in charge. For cash wise I'd imagine they come in the same cost as the impulsor and dune strider, so 75$ USD cost range for if people need to know how much they'll need to save.

I'd have favored the ornaments on them but a more compact design for storage and transport, and the stained glass window just looks like they must need to replace it after each and every battle which seems silly.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
and the stained glass window just looks like they must need to replace it after each and every battle which seems silly.

Space sciencemagic bulletproof stained glass. Is actually more durable than adamantium! Very expensive though, only the Ecclesiarchy can afford it. Because they take everyone's money!!!

There's literally glass that can take las cannon shots in cannon already folks. Calm down.

I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
There's literally glass that can take las cannon shots in cannon already folks. Calm down.

"Transparisteel" isn't it, or is that from another setting?

Plus, lest we forget, the second version of the Immolator had a 'glass' screen.

Love the concept of the stained glass although like others, I feel from the photo that it is too tall. Can't wait to get my hands on it to decide.

Absolutely loving the Tanks.

When the Church goes to war in 40k, it's literally a Church going to war.

It's heavy with symbols, and with symbolism. Provided the background hasn't changed (it may well have), SoB are often First Responders to Heretic attacks, whether native Cult uprising, or an invasion from beyond the Stars.

When you see those trundling toward you, maiming, blasting and burning, that's got to impact you. It's The Emperor's own Special Buddies come to strike you down with firepower, pomp and pagentry.

It's a visual statement that when you fight The Church, The Church has precisely zero issues with setting about your face with a hammer. Not all Cultists are full on fruit loops. Criminal Gangs etc caught up may well back down or switch sides (in the vain hope they still won't end up ded), and for Loyalist defenders, that's a hella inspiring sight to follow into battle.

Seriously. The Church just took to the field.

alphaecho wrote:
Love the concept of the stained glass although like others, I feel from the photo that it is too tall. Can't wait to get my hands on it to decide.

Even I will admit I hope it's relatively easy to split some or all of that turret off for storage, I'm just thinking it's very much worth the work.

Absolutely love them both. I can understand people's transport worries, but it looks like they'll be easy enough to separate into piece for transport.

ERJAK wrote:

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's fine and I get the worry,

BUT. This is effectively a new army. Yes, it predates the upcoming release, but this is basically a new "Year Zero" for Sisters and while it might be limiting to begin with, I imagine that there will be more releases to come that will generally expand the army.

And it's been pointed out before, but even if the Sisters release consists of only a tank, two infantry boxes and a bunch of characters, that's actually a pretty big release compared to any other company.

It's a beginning, not an end. Let's not complain too much. We've had a decade of that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Absolutely loving the Tanks.

When the Church goes to war in 40k, it's literally a Church going to war.

It's heavy with symbols, and with symbolism. Provided the background hasn't changed (it may well have), SoB are often First Responders to Heretic attacks, whether native Cult uprising, or an invasion from beyond the Stars.

When you see those trundling toward you, maiming, blasting and burning, that's got to impact you. It's The Emperor's own Special Buddies come to strike you down with firepower, pomp and pagentry.

It's a visual statement that when you fight The Church, The Church has precisely zero issues with setting about your face with a hammer. Not all Cultists are full on fruit loops. Criminal Gangs etc caught up may well back down or switch sides (in the vain hope they still won't end up ded), and for Loyalist defenders, that's a hella inspiring sight to follow into battle.

Seriously. The Church just took to the field.

My issue isn't that it's overdesigned, just that it's badly designed. You can have a bunch of symbolism and stuff but it feels like they crammed to much in. Like the designer was looking at it and saw a flat surface and though "I can put something there" and it just ended up like a cluttered mess. Maybe it's just GWs habit of super harsh edge highlighting or maybe there's a lot of extra bits and they just crammed as much as possible on there for the preview pictures. I'm hoping it's the latter.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

Fictional wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's been a common thought among the community that a Sisters update would require very few kits due to the Bility to share kits like that. So yeah, definitely plausible.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

In the case of Retributors, who specialise in providing fire support, this means carrying either a heavy bolter, heavy flamer or multi-melta. In addition to multiple options of each weapon type and a Sister Superior to lead them, the Retributors will have a number of head options, including bare, helmeted, or ones equipped with rebreathers – all of which have their own additional flourishes of detail. For example, the full helm of the Retributor shown above has a built-in targeter for accuracy.

However, if you prefer your heretics chargrilled rather than perforated with heavy bolter rounds, chances are you’ll be looking to equip your Retributors with a heavy flamer or two.
Check out this alternative build that can be assembled from the kit…

That’s not all! The new kit is also set to include a brand-new feature in the form of an Armorium Cherub.

Then you didn't look hard enough. There's at least two mentions that make it clear that Retributors are meant to be their own kit.

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

In the case of Retributors, who specialise in providing fire support, this means carrying either a heavy bolter, heavy flamer or multi-melta. In addition to multiple options of each weapon type and a Sister Superior to lead them, the Retributors will have a number of head options, including bare, helmeted, or ones equipped with rebreathers – all of which have their own additional flourishes of detail. For example, the full helm of the Retributor shown above has a built-in targeter for accuracy.

However, if you prefer your heretics chargrilled rather than perforated with heavy bolter rounds, chances are you’ll be looking to equip your Retributors with a heavy flamer or two.
Check out this alternative build that can be assembled from the kit…

That’s not all! The new kit is also set to include a brand-new feature in the form of an Armorium Cherub.

Then you didn't look hard enough. There's at least two mentions that make it clear that Retributors are meant to be their own kit.

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's been a common thought among the community that a Sisters update would require very few kits due to the Bility to share kits like that. So yeah, definitely plausible.

They can also have the weapons and some heads on a seperate sprue, so they only need to swap them out

 ekwatts wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's fine and I get the worry,

BUT. This is effectively a new army. Yes, it predates the upcoming release, but this is basically a new "Year Zero" for Sisters and while it might be limiting to begin with, I imagine that there will be more releases to come that will generally expand the army.

And it's been pointed out before, but even if the Sisters release consists of only a tank, two infantry boxes and a bunch of characters, that's actually a pretty big release compared to any other company.

It's a beginning, not an end. Let's not complain too much. We've had a decade of that.

It's 2 decades now and those don't stop existing because they finally deigned to hand out the scraps we should have gotten 15 years ago.

Comparing GW release to other companies is stupid in this context. You compare GW to GW. I don't care if this is would be a great Fantasy Flight release because it's not a goddam Fantasy Flight game.

And 'well they might come out with more stuff later!' is childishly naive, especially considering that whole 'decades' thing you were so quick to point out. Every Sisters of battle player must go into every model release assuming this is the last thing we're going to get for at least 10 years because That's the precedent GW has set.

Even Celestine was originally intended to be a single kit to shut sisters fans up for another decade until the Community Survey results came in.


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A.T. wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

Yeah. the guy who said they're 'all useful' is massively overselling it. Heavy bolters are okay, heavy flamers are mildly amusing for meme repressor builds(despite still being pretty bad) and multi meltas are terrible.

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

Frankly, it does seem like you're trying to be a downer. What in the world makes you think they wouldn't get a kit?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

Seriously? You're using Grey Knights as the basis?
Do you know when those models came out?
2010.

The difference in units as well is far, far, far less than you're making it out to be for Grey Knights. Backpacks were one difference for the Interceptors, more Heavy Weapons for Purgation Squads, Purifiers had a different painted helmet, and the standard squad wasn't anything special.
I'm also fairly sure(but not 100% certain) that Grey Knights initially released in a box of 5 rather than 10 and the metal special/heavy figures were still on sale for some time after the plastics dropped.

All that said: there is nothing of late that suggests your fears have any founding outside "BUT GW!".

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A.T. wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

Yeah. the guy who said they're 'all useful' is massively overselling it. Heavy bolters are okay, heavy flamers are mildly amusing for meme repressor builds(despite still being pretty bad) and multi meltas are terrible.

They're all SoB have. They're not getting new weapons, so, yes, heavy bolters are useful, multi meltas are useful, and even heavy flamers are useful. They're not plasma or lascannons, but SoB don't get those, so why bother comparing to them? If you view these weapons with disdain, maybe sisters aren't for you?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?

I know this was posted like a million pages ago but it caught my eye as I was playing catch-up.

The iconography in the tank is actually consistent with what we see in existing sisters of Battle stuff down to the infantry level: the capital I with the starburst skull in the middle is the icon of the Ecclesiarchy, the Fleur is Sisters of Battle as a group, and the symbol of venus is the specific order of battle sisters.

All boils down to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. Along with the red and black colour scheme.

As for the tanks themselves... it seems that every preview has had people shouting 'too much' or 'too little' and I think this is definitely a case of too much.

Now, that would work for an exorcist, to make it this massive centerpiece relic just festoined with bling by generations of gild-happy ecclesiarchs and if I ever build one that's the angle I'd go for when painting it, but the immolator is so blingy is basically competes with the Exorcist for that position, or itself if you opt to take more than one.

And that's a problem because even though I prefer rhinos with larger squads, the people who swear by immolators take a lot of them.

I hope against hope it's a dual-kit, but the only common parts they share apart from the Sororitas rhino we've seen already are the side armour and brazers (which are probably mount to the door plate like the stalker/hunter side skirts) and the front (which is probably an alternate front plate) while the stuff takced on top could fit on a whole sprue each. If it was though, I'd build the Immo without the cherub (which would break) and remove or replace the stained glass window (which I would claim to have lost) and just give the opponent the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to shoot at it peeking over cover. Then, put the Exorcist rocket launcher top on a stalker/hunter hull with those cute side-skirts, and mount the stained glass window on it.

Sister giant shades' helmet will go on a Canoness model, completing my trifecta of young short haired ex-penitent palatine, old wizened hooded elder, and inferno pistol wielding lunatic.

The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

 John Prins wrote:

Fictional wrote:
At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

I said good, not useful.

In theory all the weapons that came with CSM Havoks are useful, but people stampeeded into fielding 4 Chaincannons, of which the kit contained 1.

And it's true, it is possible something new and good will come with the final Codex that makes people take a mix of weapons, rather than just fielding 4 heavy bolters.
I'd like to think they would improve or expand the Holy Trinity strat in some way, or have it as a bonus applied to mixed weapon squads.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

Seriously? You're using Grey Knights as the basis?
Do you know when those models came out?
2010.

The difference in units as well is far, far, far less than you're making it out to be for Grey Knights. Backpacks were one difference for the Interceptors, more Heavy Weapons for Purgation Squads, Purifiers had a different painted helmet, and the standard squad wasn't anything special.
I'm also fairly sure(but not 100% certain) that Grey Knights initially released in a box of 5 rather than 10 and the metal special/heavy figures were still on sale for some time after the plastics dropped.

All that said: there is nothing of late that suggests your fears have any founding outside "BUT GW!".

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

To be fair, revamping an army that has lacked a major model release for over twenty one years is still a big deal, even if the number of kits is low.

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

Tell that to the Ork players...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

Tell that to the Ork players...

Oh I have...and I understand that they're disappointed that they didn't get all the nonsense that 4chan/Reddit/Faeit/BoLS spewed out or that they wishlisted for...but 6 vehicle kits? That's a fairly hefty release by any realistic metric.

Orktober was mostly a disappointment because it wasn’t actually in Orktober. Also because Speed Freaks wasn’t Gorkamorka II: Gork ‘Arder.

SeanDrake wrote:
The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

I have a hard time subscribing to this thought. They certainly had enough room on the sprue for the Immolator-exclusive humongous stained glass window...

The vehicles just suffer from a complete lack of unified design, most of it surface detail. Sprue space has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned.

- The golden swirly bits are all over the tank but don't mesh with the other designs used. The Exorcist does better because they really are all over it, while the Immolator has them all over the hull but they're conspicuously absent from the turret.

- I'm going to assume when viewed from directly ahead, the driver's arched armor plate appears to have the same shape and size as the heavy bolter mount. Yet the latter arch has pillars framing it, while the former does not.

- Similarly the framing pillars distort the base of the heavy bolter mount, which is echoed in the Immolator turret but not in the base of the Exorcist superstructure.

- The base of the arches of the headlights are different to the base of the arches of the heavy bolter mount and different from the driver's arched armor plate.

- The alcoves with the saints are on the Exorcist's superstructure as well (but with differently painted edges - not a problem with the actual model, but still a noticeable deviation that doesn't help the look of the finished model). These don't exist on the Immolator's turret which instead has a saintly figure standing out in the open behind it.

- The braziers, exhaust pipe cages and side hatch hinges share a design that's pretty much limited to clustering around the centers of the sides. There are instances where these same designs could have been used to decorate other parts of the tank, for instance as replacements for the golden swirls to avoid having those places look barren in their absence. Notably the Exorcist's ram does a good job of this, while the Immolator uses a completely different design that is technically reminiscent of its window but sitting horizontally instead of vertically and standing monochrome in contrast to the stained glass of the window.

The vehicles look to me like the designer was instructed to plaster them with a large amount of thematic details and "make them the most 40k thing ever", as some folks in this thread put it, and implemented that without much understanding of composition or the concept that you can use restraint and still utterly clutter something. I don't think of the Exorcist as overdone in terms of surface coverage. Every large surface has something to break it up, but it's all otherwise empty space that benefits from the presence of those details. Rhinos are, after all, just big metal bawkses. My problem is strictly the amount of different designs that are meant to go together and, to me, utterly fail to accomplish that.

 Geifer wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

I have a hard time subscribing to this thought. They certainly had enough room on the sprue for the Immolator-exclusive humongous stained glass window...

The vehicles just suffer from a complete lack of unified design, most of it surface detail. Sprue space has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned.

- The golden swirly bits are all over the tank but don't mesh with the other designs used. The Exorcist does better because they really are all over it, while the Immolator has them all over the hull but they're conspicuously absent from the turret.

- I'm going to assume when viewed from directly ahead, the driver's arched armor plate appears to have the same shape and size as the heavy bolter mount. Yet the latter arch has pillars framing it, while the former does not.

- Similarly the framing pillars distort the base of the heavy bolter mount, which is echoed in the Immolator turret but not in the base of the Exorcist superstructure.

- The base of the arches of the headlights are different to the base of the arches of the heavy bolter mount and different from the driver's arched armor plate.

- The alcoves with the saints are on the Exorcist's superstructure as well (but with differently painted edges - not a problem with the actual model, but still a noticeable deviation that doesn't help the look of the finished model). These don't exist on the Immolator's turret which instead has a saintly figure standing out in the open behind it.

- The braziers, exhaust pipe cages and side hatch hinges share a design that's pretty much limited to clustering around the centers of the sides. There are instances where these same designs could have been used to decorate other parts of the tank, for instance as replacements for the golden swirls to avoid having those places look barren in their absence. Notably the Exorcist's ram does a good job of this, while the Immolator uses a completely different design that is technically reminiscent of its window but sitting horizontally instead of vertically and standing monochrome in contrast to the stained glass of the window.

The vehicles look to me like the designer was instructed to plaster them with a large amount of thematic details and "make them the most 40k thing ever", as some folks in this thread put it, and implemented that without much understanding of composition or the concept that you can use restraint and still utterly clutter something. I don't think of the Exorcist as overdone in terms of surface coverage. Every large surface has something to break it up, but it's all otherwise empty space that benefits from the presence of those details. Rhinos are, after all, just big metal bawkses. My problem is strictly the amount of different designs that are meant to go together and, to me, utterly fail to accomplish that.

That is well reasoned and fair. I disagree but respect your thoughtful opinion on the matter.

Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

I wonder if this version will even have weapon options...

 catharsix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

you know there is an option where you just dont put all of the details on the model

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if this version will even have weapon options...

I'd be surprised if it didn't since that could be an easy barrel swap on the turret.


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 Grundz wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

you know there is an option where you just dont put all of the details on the model

No one knows how much detail is prebaked in yet.

That said, I'm kind of looking at mixing Rhino and Immolator kits together so I can have Deimos pattern Rhinos with the extra bling on them (like the braiziers).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'd be surprised if it didn't since that could be an easy barrel swap on the turret.
.

A few years ago it would have been surprising. But then the current crop of Ork vehicles happened.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?

I know this was posted like a million pages ago but it caught my eye as I was playing catch-up.

The iconography in the tank is actually consistent with what we see in existing sisters of Battle stuff down to the infantry level: the capital I with the starburst skull in the middle is the icon of the Ecclesiarchy, the Fleur is Sisters of Battle as a group, and the symbol of venus is the specific order of battle sisters.

All boils down to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. Along with the red and black colour scheme.

I don't mean the generic iconography - I mean literally the symbols of the major Orders.

Look at the little white statues above the side hatch on the Exorcist - you've got, from left to right, praying figure (probably generic), Order of The Bloody/Sacred Rose, Order of the Valorous Heart, [hidden by brazier], praying figure (probably generic). Plus the Order of Our Martyred Lady elsewhere on the vehicle.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

it's only due to how overhyped everyone got. They were expecting a total refresh and when they only got 6 vehicles that weren't what they wanted, orkrage ensued.

Hopefully the Sororitas refresh is more complete.

Well Orktober did not deliver replacement for the crap stuff like
tankbustas, released 6 vehicules which invalidate the old buggy,
left the trakk as it, same with the koppters, etc...

It was an opportunity to make something interesting, but their
choices were out of the park.

No new Kommandos kit either, and to add insult to the injury
they indeed added tankbustas bombs as a rule for them,
but phased out all their heavy weapons
(which were sold in blisters, being metal)
because their just got the axe in the the store.
So cool...

As an ork player it sank my interest in the army so hard I do not have
touched a green skin in a year...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

I don't mean the generic iconography - I mean literally the symbols of the major Orders.

Look at the little white statues above the side hatch on the Exorcist - you've got, from left to right, praying figure (probably generic), Order of The Bloody/Sacred Rose, Order of the Valorous Heart, [hidden by brazier], praying figure (probably generic). Plus the Order of Our Martyred Lady elsewhere on the vehicle.

...I hadn't even noticed that due to all of the other things going on here, like taking off the exhausts or cherubs. i bet on the other side of the vehicle is more order statues. maybe this is to show the range of the kit for customization?

but i favored argent shroud, and darn sure don't want the other orders on it, so how many little statues will they give you with these to fill the empty space that would leave?...with all the leftover bits and bobs i wouldn't want to use from this range push, i could make scenery.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

it's only due to how overhyped everyone got. They were expecting a total refresh and when they only got 6 vehicles that weren't what they wanted, orkrage ensued.

Hopefully the Sororitas refresh is more complete.

the hype was overblown due to how GW mismanaged the eventual release and how they leaked the speedfreekz box set early. we were lead to believe some form of customization could be had straight out the box, and be supported in the codex. that simply wasn't the case. so it's understandable why people were let down when expectation didn't meet up with reality.

and expecting or hoping sisters refresh isn't going to be controversial as the orktober one, is paramount to being delusional. it's going to be a FUBAR that no one has seen the likes of since Ward mucked up the game back in the day- we still here mutterings on dark places of the interwebz as some are still upset at how he influenced the game and certain factions....and that was quite a while back. i fully expect GW to mismanage the sisters release by not making enough product to meet or exceed demand. expect people being upset for at least another 6-12 months. and if GW still have a massive boner for space marines, we can expect to see regular sister releases once a decade- thanks precedence set.

I mean as long as the infantry kits look aces, which so far to me they do, I'm pretty happy still.

I dislike the tanks a bit, but thats ok. For me, and not speaking as an old time sisters player, I just want enough to run with the new Celestine model in a Detachment to feel good so I don't need a whole lot to make that happen.

Speaking for an older sisters player I am getting excited with, he just wants the rules to be good as he won't be expanding his force but is super excited for an actual book release.

I'd say to avoid let down, keep the expectations at a mid level, I wouldn't expect the world from the first bits of releases. Not to be cynical, but they aren't marines and it's hard to argue Marines don't get a lot of the release schedule.

As is I'm highly doubtful guard will see another release for years to come.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

It would be nice to get that back

 solohammer wrote:

the hype was overblown due to how GW mismanaged the eventual release and how they leaked the speedfreekz box set early. we were lead to believe some form of customization could be had straight out the box, and be supported in the codex. that simply wasn't the case. so it's understandable why people were let down when expectation didn't meet up with reality.

I read all the same articles you did, they didn't promise squat. People hyped themselves up with no basis. Expectation was manufactured by the community to insane heights and then dove screaming down the moment the reality of 'only' getting six kits came through.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

It would be nice to get that back

This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

I guess it makes building Brigades or Spearheads easier?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

I wouldn't read too much into that - the GSC Goliath kit can be built as both heavy support or dedicated transport.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

I read all the same articles you did, they didn't promise squat. People hyped themselves up with no basis. Expectation was manufactured by the community to insane heights and then dove screaming down the moment the reality of 'only' getting six kits came through.

This was amplified by the kits themselves, though. If those kits had been, say, new Tankbusters, Kommandos, Flashgits, Buggy, Track and a Deffkopta, Ork players would have been over the moon. Instead, we got six new buggy options, presented as six different, no-option kits. So while those new kits looked cool at first glance, when they weren't accompanied by more substantial, real releases, they started to feel like a massive missed opportunity, and a waste of budget and production queue space.


Don't get me wrong, I love the designs, and it's always nice to have new chassis options to hang conversions onto... I just feel like they would have been better off compressing those 6 vehicle ideas into fewer separate kits, and releasing some other stuff alongside them instead to capitalise on the hype.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

In 3e they were heavy support that could be taken as transports or by themselves.

Don't forget they are sisters not marines - a lightly armed razorback-type vehicle would represent the 2nd most powerful ranged unit in the codex after the exorcist itself.

Do we need to rehash the Orktober conversation for the umpteenth time? It’s been over a year.

Hmmm - I like both, but I also like the old ones. Kind of want to run out and buy an old immolator, because it is simpler. What I like a great deal though is that you basically get both tanks because it looks like just a turret swap.

Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Sorry if it's been asked before, but do we know when preorder is?

That puts it around the AUD$320-350 mark.

Nope.

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

 godswildcard wrote:
Sorry if it's been asked before, but do we know when preorder is?

23rd.

Also the box would be 50$ cheaper in USD if they used actual conversion rates.

terry wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

I want mine NOW!

terry wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

British people can. If you're in NA it's actually not worth it to get 2. There's almost no discount on the second one.

So exactly what the leaks said it would be?

Yeah, that cements me not gettin' this one. Best keep my eyes open for the rest of the line release, and most importantly, the codex.

ERJAK wrote:

terry wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

British people can. If you're in NA it's actually not worth it to get 2. There's almost no discount on the second one.

I'm from the Netherlands and the 160 euro I think its still worth it getting to, selling one codex + datacards for the price of the normal one

Hmm, 160€ is not nearly cheap enough to make it an auto buy but not expensive enough to outright dismiss it either.

Great. Now I have to think! Thanks, GW!

€160 is a bit more expensive than I hoped, but I can live with this.

People who seriously believed the box would be the price of a Start Collecting box will cry...

 stahly wrote:
People who seriously believed the box would be the price of a Start Collecting box will cry...

Or at least question their life choices, as there's a strong possibility they aren't good at estimating or making educated guesses.

Kinda disappointed this isn't in the range of ~Dark Imperium/Shadowspear, to be honest.

The price doesn't scare me off and I'm definitely keen on starting some sisters and showing support for the army receiving some love...but this price point is pretty much the upper limit of what feels "comfortable" for this box set, to me.

It's right about that price range, just with a Codex and Dice and Datacards bumping it up.

And frankly, I feel like that's an important thing to note.

You're not getting a little pamphlet with your rules. You're getting the full Codex.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's right about that price range, just with a Codex and Dice and Datacards bumping it up.

I thought they were just showing normal white dice in the preview. Have sisters dice been spotted?

Ah, the box has the codex in it? Then I might pick a copy up. My finances aren't too bad at the moment, was going to delay but if it has the codex might as well buy it to take a peek.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
It's right about that price range, just with a Codex and Dice and Datacards bumping it up.

I thought they were just showing normal white dice in the preview. Have sisters dice been spotted?

Might be me having wires crossed, but I thought the dice shown in the preview had at least a fleur de lys and skull.

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 stahly wrote:
People who seriously believed the box would be the price of a Start Collecting box will cry...

Or at least question their life choices, as there's a strong possibility they aren't good at estimating or making educated guesses.

Other people were set on the box costing £250, as per the Warhammer Community Survey competition terms and conditions. Guess it shows how erratic GW's prices can be - with decent discounts on some deals, yet with vastly exaggerated prices for some limited edition stuff.


Not quite sure yet myself. I prefer the full boxes to have more options and random bits to add variation, but at the same time these specific builds are nice variants themselves.

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terry wrote:

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

British people can. If you're in NA it's actually not worth it to get 2. There's almost no discount on the second one.

I'm from the Netherlands and the 160 euro I think its still worth it getting to, selling one codex + datacards for the price of the normal one

Probably gonna be hard to offload those. the only people I can see who would want sisters but not be willing to shell out for at least one of these boxes are people who literally don't have the money for the box or people who don't plan to upgrade from the metals.


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 stahly wrote:
People who seriously believed the box would be the price of a Start Collecting box will cry...

No one believed that. We were hoping for the price of shadowspear(a vastly superior value IMHO). Or you know, not eating a 50USD markup due to GW playing fast and lose with exchange rates.

Press F for australia and new zeeland btw.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

A.T. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's right about that price range, just with a Codex and Dice and Datacards bumping it up.

I thought they were just showing normal white dice in the preview. Have sisters dice been spotted?

Might be me having wires crossed, but I thought the dice shown in the preview had at least a fleur de lys and skull.

Nope. Chinese leaks have them as plain white 6 sideds with no special symbols.

Likely actual SoB dice will come out with the full army release at 20+ dollars per 20 dice kit.