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 John Prins wrote:
I guess these will be 2 different kits? After the AdMech transport anything's possible, but the sheer amount of different plastic between these two vehicles makes me wonder.

I could see one sprue with the sides, glacis, belly, and rear of the tank, and a separate sprue for the upper elements that make either the exorcist or immolator variants. Not sure if there is an upper hull plate that the upper works sit on top of, of if the side plates include a lip and there is just a hollow in the middle.

And I still think that is more flamestorm cannon than mere heavy flamer.

Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I really want to build the exorcist organ onto a titan.

Will it fit atop a Knight?

Should do... I recall seeing one online somewhere, although on reflection I'm not sure if it used Exorcist parts or was done from scratch.

Size wise, though, it should work. Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

drbored wrote:
Also, did anyone notice in the video of the Immolator kit that that stained glass is actually a semi-transparent piece????

I suspect it's clear plastic stained with contrast paints.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
I guess these will be 2 different kits? After the AdMech transport anything's possible, but the sheer amount of different plastic between these two vehicles makes me wonder.

I could see one sprue with the sides, glacis, belly, and rear of the tank, and a separate sprue for the upper elements that make either the exorcist or immolator variants. Not sure if there is an upper hull plate that the upper works sit on top of, of if the side plates include a lip and there is just a hollow in the middle.

And I still think that is more flamestorm cannon than mere heavy flamer.

It's an Immolation flamer with an updated look to show the difference.

jake wrote:Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

It's not just you...

ERJAK wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

I thought the FW Exorcist was great. The Sisters aesthetic took a hard turn toward over the top with Witch Hunters (which was cool in its own way), but the FW Exorcist and Repressor were a great match for the original Immolator and perfect for those of us who preferred the Sisters aesthetic originally presented in the 2nd edition codex.

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

 jake wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Agreed. Maybe my ideas of 'armor' are too rooted in real world, or even existing 40k armor, but these are just..... stupid. I know 40k is supposed to be about over the top and rule of cool,but these are just.... stupid. Even the old metal pipe organ exorcist was better than this, never minding FW's frankly superior model.

Just.... no.

The forgeworld exorcist was the dumbest waste of resin in the history of time. It was utterly pointless, added nothing to the line, and looked like gak to boot. The pipe organ is one of the most iconic weapons in 40k(despite sisters barely existing before this year). To trade it out for 'why does that whirlwind look weird' is, was, and will always be frankly asinine.

I thought the FW Exorcist was great. The Sisters aesthetic took a hard turn toward over the top with Witch Hunters (which was cool in its own way), but the FW Exorcist and Repressor were a great match for the original Immolator and perfect for those of us who preferred the Sisters aesthetic originally presented in the 2nd edition codex.

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

If so then it made sense at the time. As jake says, it was before the Witch Hunters went full gothic (in fact before all of 40K went full gothic thanks to ripple effects from the Inquisitor game).

I like both the old Exorcists, fence-sitting heretic that I am. I also like the new one. Not too keen on the new Immolator, but it's not bad. I hope that stained glass window is extremely bulletproof, or life will not be fun for the turret gunner...

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

But the key point there, surely, is that he does need the game in order to justify his habit.

Hell I almost never play these days, even after switching to mostly collecting skirmish-system forces, but I still structure my purchases based on the game systems I enjoy in case I do get an opportunity to game with them. When the games are in a bad way, my enthusiasm for related projects declines, even if that makes almost no logical sense.

The fact of the matter is when GW mismanages the gaming side of things, their sales suffer. That's not to say they have to cater to tournament types - I'd even argue they shouldn't do so, as hardcore all-RAW-all-the-time rulesets can be just as offputting to casual collectors as generally rubbish rulesets - but they do have to meet a minimum standard of quality, and I'd wager even most "collectors" like to think of themselves as gamers, at least in a hypothetical "if I had more time/motivation/hobby friends I'd game more frequently" kind of way.

Eh, in my original post, I was not trying to be super precise. I would consider people like you to be collectors, more or less. You have Skirmish forces for how many factions, for example? Do you buy your forces as necessary to take advantage of the rules and fill out your list, or do you buy forces in the structure and proportion of a legal game army with plenty of options, none of which you use because you almost never play?

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

fox-light713 wrote:

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it looks like the gun emplacement is fixed to the hull and doesn't rotate at all.

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

If so then it made sense at the time. As jake says, it was before the Witch Hunters went full gothic (in fact before all of 40K went full gothic thanks to ripple effects from the Inquisitor game).

I may be misrepresenting when the FW Exorcist and Repressor were released. I know I didn't buy either until after Witch Hunters, You're right though. Even though the gothic stuff was always there in 40k, people forget that it was MUCH less pronounced in pre-Witch Hunters. They kind of went nuts after that, and a lot of people now think of that as what 40K is supposed to be. Which is fine, of course. We all have different preferences.

 insaniak wrote:
Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

No, no, no. I want a Knight with a Knight-sized Sisters helmet (whatever their actual name is). That'd be awesome.

 BrookM wrote:
Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

I can live with the exorcist's size, but on the immolator, I wish the front stained glass was half the size. That and the flamers seem much larger than the 'slightly extra range' heavy flamers on the previous immolator. I feel like I'm going to be disappointed by a lack of specialness with them.

For the detail work itself, I'm fairly happy with everything but the mega exhaust pipes/braziers.






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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Add the pilot from a penitent engine in place of the knight's head, and you're good to go...

No, no, no. I want a Knight with a Knight-sized Sisters helmet (whatever their actual name is). That'd be awesome.

Sabot pattern helm for the sisters helmet (IIRC).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Eh, in my original post, I was not trying to be super precise. I would consider people like you to be collectors, more or less. You have Skirmish forces for how many factions, for example? Do you buy your forces as necessary to take advantage of the rules and fill out your list, or do you buy forces in the structure and proportion of a legal game army with plenty of options, none of which you use because you almost never play?

Probably dozens of factions over multiple different systems, but I don't see myself as a "collector" any more than a "gamer"; I feel no urge to be completionist, nor to acquire "rares", I place no value on exclusivity(indeed I find it annoying as all hell, and outright reprehensible if it's artificial), I don't keep things in original packaging. I can be drawn to a project by fiction, visuals, rules, or some combination in any given instance, and all are a consideration while I plan out a project. I'd always taken that to be pretty much the default "hobbyist" mode of operation, with how much any given person gets to game depending on their circumstances and other commitments.

I'd wager the numbers of people who care only or almost entirely only about collecting, or painting for its own sake, or gaming above all other concerns are probably roughly equivalent and in all cases a minority compared to the general mass of people who value all aspects to a greater or lesser degree, which is why GW suffer when they ignore any one aspect; it's not that they'd alienating big monolithic blocs of customers with a single interest, it's that they'd alienate one of those smaller groups and a big chunk of their Joe Workshop average hobbyist types who want reasonably good quality in every aspect of the product and process.

I like how the Exorcist and Immolator now have an extra heavy bolter for reasons, meaning that everyone with existing models won't be WYSIWYG.

Nice.


Not really a fan of the tanks. They're just way too over the top and chonky.

Why do the exhausts have braziers on top? How do they exhaust?
Why do the Immolator's flamers have barrels coming out of the barrels?
How difficult are the models going to be to transport with all those cherubs hanging off them?
'Gothic' has been flanderised to literally having stained glass windows on tanks.
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?
The rockets peeking out of the Exorcist organ look pretty dumb.

The tanks are salvageable I guess. The Immolators window is ridiculous, and not in a good way. But overall they're overdone, messy and lack clarity of design.

A different paint job might help, too.

 jake wrote:

fox-light713 wrote:

 jake wrote:
Is it just me or is the immolator turret now fixed front? I don;t see any way for it to rotate.

I wouldn't quite say fixed but reduced rotation arc compared to the old one. Some left right movement but won't be much.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it looks like the gun emplacement is fixed to the hull and doesn't rotate at all.

The extended bases for the flying buttresses on the front don't align with the hull and the corner rivets. You can see a rivet underneath one of them, too. Which means it's a raised part, and thus possibly still a turret turret. It is hard to see, I agree. It doesn't help that from this angle it looks like the fence in the back would stop the turret from turning.

Gotta say, wasn't blown away with the vehicles so far. Though the painted pics of the new infantry models looks great. I guess it's good, saves me some temptation but the tanks just look way too blocky and super tall.

For when you just refuse to acknowledge that less really is more...

 Geifer wrote:
The extended bases for the flying buttresses on the front don't align with the hull and the corner rivets. You can see a rivet underneath one of them, too. Which means it's a raised part, and thus possibly still a turret turret. It is hard to see, I agree. It doesn't help that from this angle it looks like the fence in the back would stop the turret from turning.

Definitely looks to me like it can turn!

The tanks are absolutely fabulous, everything and more I wanted from them, they are the most 40k thing we have seen in a while , nice to see them dividing opinion, you either love them or you're wrong .
Fact is GW couldn't win, these models are very much in keeping with the original designs and had they gone "bland" people would have moaned that the new versions were not like the old versions, they keep the over all look and they are too over the top....

Obispudkenobi wrote:
Fact is GW couldn't win, these models are very much in keeping with the original designs

Ironically the original immolator was design with practicality in mind - it was a razorback with the turret moved forwards (to improve troop access), low profile, fast, and cheap.

Aside from being more conspicuous Marnius Calgars personal landraider this new one clearly doesn't have fire points (in keeping with 8th), but with the extra guns and bling i'm expecting the price to go up making it less desirable to field as a transport unless they've really amped up the weapons, and I somehow doubt they've made it faster.

Will find out soon enough of course but i'm getting one hell of a 'pentagon wars' vibe from it. 8e hellhounds have should that flame tanks have the potential to be good at least.


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 insaniak wrote:
Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

That doesn't seem correct. The hybrid exorcist was released in 2004 with the new immolator kit but the forgeworld kits were definitely release prior to Codex: Witch Hunters, some time around 2002-2003 (they were pictured in Imperial Armour 2 for instance).

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how the Exorcist and Immolator now have an extra heavy bolter for reasons, meaning that everyone with existing models won't be WYSIWYG.

Nice.


Not really a fan of the tanks. They're just way too over the top and chonky.

...at first glance, i liked them more, but you've got good points in that post. so we know they'll likely be more expensive to field because of the bolters, and the modeling issue, but that can be a work around. i really don't get why multiple orders are on it, and the cherubs may be nice for show, but yeah.. another thing id like to not be on them personally to complicate things, so theres a fair bit to lop off of these things.

yay for a bunch more things in the piece box I didn't really want. first things that slightly bugged me on them is the long mask? (interface?) on the exorcist, and the size of said stained glass tank window... well, at LEAST these can be stripped down, but how much can it be before you take a chunk out of what you paid for. and how much ARE these gonna be?

Those tanks are dumb. They have taken iconic models and made them look utterly trash.

The stained glass window on the Immolator is just simply too tall and seems just too over the top.

Also from a gaming point of view, true line of sight is going to have a field day with these... I can see the fluer de lys on the top of the stained glass window of your tank. I can shoot it

The new tanks look Redeemer-level of overdone (as in the stuff from the old Necromunda comic), and I am OK with that ^_^.

The new tanks look good, my only displeasure comes from the stained glass window on the Immolator, if it were half the height it'd be pretty much perfect.

I'm very curious to see if there's some other detail on the back, some kind of divine HUD.

it also looks like it'll stand on it's own enough that there will probably end up being some third party bits with a smaller window.

I think the new Exorcist is an improvement on the metal/plastic one. Being able to see the missiles IMO makes it actually look like a weapon system that's been stylized to look like a pipe organ, rather than a pipe organ that supposedly chucks out missiles, and most exorcists I've seen have the pipes slanting backwards, now they're straight up, which is a lot better from a physics perspective.

I honestly still prefer the forge world one, as I like the sisters being more businesslike, but this is definitely better than before.

The Immolator, OTOH, is far too overdone for my tastes, but it looks rectifiable by cutting back the flamer nozzles and leaving out or cutting down the stained glass window.

Hull mounted heavy bolter is a nice firepower upgrade for single weapon tanks. I hope we'll get the option to upgrade it to a heavy flamer and/or multi-melta.

I'm really hoping that the cherubs are easily removed/left off - they look far too prone to breaking off.

At any rate, these things will take a long time to paint with all the fiddly bits.