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 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

Tell that to the Ork players...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

Tell that to the Ork players...

Oh I have...and I understand that they're disappointed that they didn't get all the nonsense that 4chan/Reddit/Faeit/BoLS spewed out or that they wishlisted for...but 6 vehicle kits? That's a fairly hefty release by any realistic metric.

Orktober was mostly a disappointment because it wasn’t actually in Orktober. Also because Speed Freaks wasn’t Gorkamorka II: Gork ‘Arder.

SeanDrake wrote:
The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

I have a hard time subscribing to this thought. They certainly had enough room on the sprue for the Immolator-exclusive humongous stained glass window...

The vehicles just suffer from a complete lack of unified design, most of it surface detail. Sprue space has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned.

- The golden swirly bits are all over the tank but don't mesh with the other designs used. The Exorcist does better because they really are all over it, while the Immolator has them all over the hull but they're conspicuously absent from the turret.

- I'm going to assume when viewed from directly ahead, the driver's arched armor plate appears to have the same shape and size as the heavy bolter mount. Yet the latter arch has pillars framing it, while the former does not.

- Similarly the framing pillars distort the base of the heavy bolter mount, which is echoed in the Immolator turret but not in the base of the Exorcist superstructure.

- The base of the arches of the headlights are different to the base of the arches of the heavy bolter mount and different from the driver's arched armor plate.

- The alcoves with the saints are on the Exorcist's superstructure as well (but with differently painted edges - not a problem with the actual model, but still a noticeable deviation that doesn't help the look of the finished model). These don't exist on the Immolator's turret which instead has a saintly figure standing out in the open behind it.

- The braziers, exhaust pipe cages and side hatch hinges share a design that's pretty much limited to clustering around the centers of the sides. There are instances where these same designs could have been used to decorate other parts of the tank, for instance as replacements for the golden swirls to avoid having those places look barren in their absence. Notably the Exorcist's ram does a good job of this, while the Immolator uses a completely different design that is technically reminiscent of its window but sitting horizontally instead of vertically and standing monochrome in contrast to the stained glass of the window.

The vehicles look to me like the designer was instructed to plaster them with a large amount of thematic details and "make them the most 40k thing ever", as some folks in this thread put it, and implemented that without much understanding of composition or the concept that you can use restraint and still utterly clutter something. I don't think of the Exorcist as overdone in terms of surface coverage. Every large surface has something to break it up, but it's all otherwise empty space that benefits from the presence of those details. Rhinos are, after all, just big metal bawkses. My problem is strictly the amount of different designs that are meant to go together and, to me, utterly fail to accomplish that.

 Geifer wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

I have a hard time subscribing to this thought. They certainly had enough room on the sprue for the Immolator-exclusive humongous stained glass window...

The vehicles just suffer from a complete lack of unified design, most of it surface detail. Sprue space has nothing to do with it as far as I'm concerned.

- The golden swirly bits are all over the tank but don't mesh with the other designs used. The Exorcist does better because they really are all over it, while the Immolator has them all over the hull but they're conspicuously absent from the turret.

- I'm going to assume when viewed from directly ahead, the driver's arched armor plate appears to have the same shape and size as the heavy bolter mount. Yet the latter arch has pillars framing it, while the former does not.

- Similarly the framing pillars distort the base of the heavy bolter mount, which is echoed in the Immolator turret but not in the base of the Exorcist superstructure.

- The base of the arches of the headlights are different to the base of the arches of the heavy bolter mount and different from the driver's arched armor plate.

- The alcoves with the saints are on the Exorcist's superstructure as well (but with differently painted edges - not a problem with the actual model, but still a noticeable deviation that doesn't help the look of the finished model). These don't exist on the Immolator's turret which instead has a saintly figure standing out in the open behind it.

- The braziers, exhaust pipe cages and side hatch hinges share a design that's pretty much limited to clustering around the centers of the sides. There are instances where these same designs could have been used to decorate other parts of the tank, for instance as replacements for the golden swirls to avoid having those places look barren in their absence. Notably the Exorcist's ram does a good job of this, while the Immolator uses a completely different design that is technically reminiscent of its window but sitting horizontally instead of vertically and standing monochrome in contrast to the stained glass of the window.

The vehicles look to me like the designer was instructed to plaster them with a large amount of thematic details and "make them the most 40k thing ever", as some folks in this thread put it, and implemented that without much understanding of composition or the concept that you can use restraint and still utterly clutter something. I don't think of the Exorcist as overdone in terms of surface coverage. Every large surface has something to break it up, but it's all otherwise empty space that benefits from the presence of those details. Rhinos are, after all, just big metal bawkses. My problem is strictly the amount of different designs that are meant to go together and, to me, utterly fail to accomplish that.

That is well reasoned and fair. I disagree but respect your thoughtful opinion on the matter.

Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

I wonder if this version will even have weapon options...

 catharsix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

you know there is an option where you just dont put all of the details on the model

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if this version will even have weapon options...

I'd be surprised if it didn't since that could be an easy barrel swap on the turret.


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 Grundz wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah I kind of prefer the Witch Hunters Immolator...

Yeah, I'm with you Mr. Vice-Pricipal. The new one is just a little TOO over the top. I get that they're baroque and iconography-obsessed, but it could be dialed back a touch without losing the flavor.

you know there is an option where you just dont put all of the details on the model

No one knows how much detail is prebaked in yet.

That said, I'm kind of looking at mixing Rhino and Immolator kits together so I can have Deimos pattern Rhinos with the extra bling on them (like the braiziers).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'd be surprised if it didn't since that could be an easy barrel swap on the turret.
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A few years ago it would have been surprising. But then the current crop of Ork vehicles happened.

 Captain Joystick wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?

I know this was posted like a million pages ago but it caught my eye as I was playing catch-up.

The iconography in the tank is actually consistent with what we see in existing sisters of Battle stuff down to the infantry level: the capital I with the starburst skull in the middle is the icon of the Ecclesiarchy, the Fleur is Sisters of Battle as a group, and the symbol of venus is the specific order of battle sisters.

All boils down to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. Along with the red and black colour scheme.

I don't mean the generic iconography - I mean literally the symbols of the major Orders.

Look at the little white statues above the side hatch on the Exorcist - you've got, from left to right, praying figure (probably generic), Order of The Bloody/Sacred Rose, Order of the Valorous Heart, [hidden by brazier], praying figure (probably generic). Plus the Order of Our Martyred Lady elsewhere on the vehicle.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

it's only due to how overhyped everyone got. They were expecting a total refresh and when they only got 6 vehicles that weren't what they wanted, orkrage ensued.

Hopefully the Sororitas refresh is more complete.

Well Orktober did not deliver replacement for the crap stuff like
tankbustas, released 6 vehicules which invalidate the old buggy,
left the trakk as it, same with the koppters, etc...

It was an opportunity to make something interesting, but their
choices were out of the park.

No new Kommandos kit either, and to add insult to the injury
they indeed added tankbustas bombs as a rule for them,
but phased out all their heavy weapons
(which were sold in blisters, being metal)
because their just got the axe in the the store.
So cool...

As an ork player it sank my interest in the army so hard I do not have
touched a green skin in a year...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

I don't mean the generic iconography - I mean literally the symbols of the major Orders.

Look at the little white statues above the side hatch on the Exorcist - you've got, from left to right, praying figure (probably generic), Order of The Bloody/Sacred Rose, Order of the Valorous Heart, [hidden by brazier], praying figure (probably generic). Plus the Order of Our Martyred Lady elsewhere on the vehicle.

...I hadn't even noticed that due to all of the other things going on here, like taking off the exhausts or cherubs. i bet on the other side of the vehicle is more order statues. maybe this is to show the range of the kit for customization?

but i favored argent shroud, and darn sure don't want the other orders on it, so how many little statues will they give you with these to fill the empty space that would leave?...with all the leftover bits and bobs i wouldn't want to use from this range push, i could make scenery.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

Because you chose to post nonsense and when called out upon it, you fell back to moving goalposts.

Orktober as a "disappointment" tends to be overblown nonsense here. Anyone who thinks that a release of 6 vehicle kits is a "small release" is disingenuous as all heck.

it's only due to how overhyped everyone got. They were expecting a total refresh and when they only got 6 vehicles that weren't what they wanted, orkrage ensued.

Hopefully the Sororitas refresh is more complete.

the hype was overblown due to how GW mismanaged the eventual release and how they leaked the speedfreekz box set early. we were lead to believe some form of customization could be had straight out the box, and be supported in the codex. that simply wasn't the case. so it's understandable why people were let down when expectation didn't meet up with reality.

and expecting or hoping sisters refresh isn't going to be controversial as the orktober one, is paramount to being delusional. it's going to be a FUBAR that no one has seen the likes of since Ward mucked up the game back in the day- we still here mutterings on dark places of the interwebz as some are still upset at how he influenced the game and certain factions....and that was quite a while back. i fully expect GW to mismanage the sisters release by not making enough product to meet or exceed demand. expect people being upset for at least another 6-12 months. and if GW still have a massive boner for space marines, we can expect to see regular sister releases once a decade- thanks precedence set.

I mean as long as the infantry kits look aces, which so far to me they do, I'm pretty happy still.

I dislike the tanks a bit, but thats ok. For me, and not speaking as an old time sisters player, I just want enough to run with the new Celestine model in a Detachment to feel good so I don't need a whole lot to make that happen.

Speaking for an older sisters player I am getting excited with, he just wants the rules to be good as he won't be expanding his force but is super excited for an actual book release.

I'd say to avoid let down, keep the expectations at a mid level, I wouldn't expect the world from the first bits of releases. Not to be cynical, but they aren't marines and it's hard to argue Marines don't get a lot of the release schedule.

As is I'm highly doubtful guard will see another release for years to come.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

It would be nice to get that back

 solohammer wrote:

the hype was overblown due to how GW mismanaged the eventual release and how they leaked the speedfreekz box set early. we were lead to believe some form of customization could be had straight out the box, and be supported in the codex. that simply wasn't the case. so it's understandable why people were let down when expectation didn't meet up with reality.

I read all the same articles you did, they didn't promise squat. People hyped themselves up with no basis. Expectation was manufactured by the community to insane heights and then dove screaming down the moment the reality of 'only' getting six kits came through.


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Lammia wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

It would be nice to get that back

This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

I guess it makes building Brigades or Spearheads easier?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

I wouldn't read too much into that - the GSC Goliath kit can be built as both heavy support or dedicated transport.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

I read all the same articles you did, they didn't promise squat. People hyped themselves up with no basis. Expectation was manufactured by the community to insane heights and then dove screaming down the moment the reality of 'only' getting six kits came through.

This was amplified by the kits themselves, though. If those kits had been, say, new Tankbusters, Kommandos, Flashgits, Buggy, Track and a Deffkopta, Ork players would have been over the moon. Instead, we got six new buggy options, presented as six different, no-option kits. So while those new kits looked cool at first glance, when they weren't accompanied by more substantial, real releases, they started to feel like a massive missed opportunity, and a waste of budget and production queue space.


Don't get me wrong, I love the designs, and it's always nice to have new chassis options to hang conversions onto... I just feel like they would have been better off compressing those 6 vehicle ideas into fewer separate kits, and releasing some other stuff alongside them instead to capitalise on the hype.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
This one loses me, why is immolators taking up slots a good thing?

In 3e they were heavy support that could be taken as transports or by themselves.

Don't forget they are sisters not marines - a lightly armed razorback-type vehicle would represent the 2nd most powerful ranged unit in the codex after the exorcist itself.

Do we need to rehash the Orktober conversation for the umpteenth time? It’s been over a year.

Hmmm - I like both, but I also like the old ones. Kind of want to run out and buy an old immolator, because it is simpler. What I like a great deal though is that you basically get both tanks because it looks like just a turret swap.

Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Sorry if it's been asked before, but do we know when preorder is?

That puts it around the AUD$320-350 mark.

Nope.

 Aenar wrote:
Price of the new Sisters of Battle boxset: £125, €160, $210.

Spoiler:

looks like I'll be getting 2 boxes

 godswildcard wrote:
Sorry if it's been asked before, but do we know when preorder is?

23rd.

Also the box would be 50$ cheaper in USD if they used actual conversion rates.