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Most of my criticism comes from storage and transportation angle. My sisters force with me compact and just enough to scratch that urge and be an allied force. The size seems a bit overly tall and gaudy for lack of a better term.

I get why people love them but they look a little too large and in charge. For cash wise I'd imagine they come in the same cost as the impulsor and dune strider, so 75$ USD cost range for if people need to know how much they'll need to save.

I'd have favored the ornaments on them but a more compact design for storage and transport, and the stained glass window just looks like they must need to replace it after each and every battle which seems silly.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
and the stained glass window just looks like they must need to replace it after each and every battle which seems silly.

Space sciencemagic bulletproof stained glass. Is actually more durable than adamantium! Very expensive though, only the Ecclesiarchy can afford it. Because they take everyone's money!!!

There's literally glass that can take las cannon shots in cannon already folks. Calm down.

I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
There's literally glass that can take las cannon shots in cannon already folks. Calm down.

"Transparisteel" isn't it, or is that from another setting?

Plus, lest we forget, the second version of the Immolator had a 'glass' screen.

Love the concept of the stained glass although like others, I feel from the photo that it is too tall. Can't wait to get my hands on it to decide.

Absolutely loving the Tanks.

When the Church goes to war in 40k, it's literally a Church going to war.

It's heavy with symbols, and with symbolism. Provided the background hasn't changed (it may well have), SoB are often First Responders to Heretic attacks, whether native Cult uprising, or an invasion from beyond the Stars.

When you see those trundling toward you, maiming, blasting and burning, that's got to impact you. It's The Emperor's own Special Buddies come to strike you down with firepower, pomp and pagentry.

It's a visual statement that when you fight The Church, The Church has precisely zero issues with setting about your face with a hammer. Not all Cultists are full on fruit loops. Criminal Gangs etc caught up may well back down or switch sides (in the vain hope they still won't end up ded), and for Loyalist defenders, that's a hella inspiring sight to follow into battle.

Seriously. The Church just took to the field.

alphaecho wrote:
Love the concept of the stained glass although like others, I feel from the photo that it is too tall. Can't wait to get my hands on it to decide.

Even I will admit I hope it's relatively easy to split some or all of that turret off for storage, I'm just thinking it's very much worth the work.

Absolutely love them both. I can understand people's transport worries, but it looks like they'll be easy enough to separate into piece for transport.

ERJAK wrote:

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's fine and I get the worry,

BUT. This is effectively a new army. Yes, it predates the upcoming release, but this is basically a new "Year Zero" for Sisters and while it might be limiting to begin with, I imagine that there will be more releases to come that will generally expand the army.

And it's been pointed out before, but even if the Sisters release consists of only a tank, two infantry boxes and a bunch of characters, that's actually a pretty big release compared to any other company.

It's a beginning, not an end. Let's not complain too much. We've had a decade of that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Absolutely loving the Tanks.

When the Church goes to war in 40k, it's literally a Church going to war.

It's heavy with symbols, and with symbolism. Provided the background hasn't changed (it may well have), SoB are often First Responders to Heretic attacks, whether native Cult uprising, or an invasion from beyond the Stars.

When you see those trundling toward you, maiming, blasting and burning, that's got to impact you. It's The Emperor's own Special Buddies come to strike you down with firepower, pomp and pagentry.

It's a visual statement that when you fight The Church, The Church has precisely zero issues with setting about your face with a hammer. Not all Cultists are full on fruit loops. Criminal Gangs etc caught up may well back down or switch sides (in the vain hope they still won't end up ded), and for Loyalist defenders, that's a hella inspiring sight to follow into battle.

Seriously. The Church just took to the field.

My issue isn't that it's overdesigned, just that it's badly designed. You can have a bunch of symbolism and stuff but it feels like they crammed to much in. Like the designer was looking at it and saw a flat surface and though "I can put something there" and it just ended up like a cluttered mess. Maybe it's just GWs habit of super harsh edge highlighting or maybe there's a lot of extra bits and they just crammed as much as possible on there for the preview pictures. I'm hoping it's the latter.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

Fictional wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's been a common thought among the community that a Sisters update would require very few kits due to the Bility to share kits like that. So yeah, definitely plausible.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

In the case of Retributors, who specialise in providing fire support, this means carrying either a heavy bolter, heavy flamer or multi-melta. In addition to multiple options of each weapon type and a Sister Superior to lead them, the Retributors will have a number of head options, including bare, helmeted, or ones equipped with rebreathers – all of which have their own additional flourishes of detail. For example, the full helm of the Retributor shown above has a built-in targeter for accuracy.

However, if you prefer your heretics chargrilled rather than perforated with heavy bolter rounds, chances are you’ll be looking to equip your Retributors with a heavy flamer or two.
Check out this alternative build that can be assembled from the kit…

That’s not all! The new kit is also set to include a brand-new feature in the form of an Armorium Cherub.

Then you didn't look hard enough. There's at least two mentions that make it clear that Retributors are meant to be their own kit.

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's like people didn't even read all the Battle Sisters Bulletins
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/27/battle-sister-bulletin-part-8-retributors-first-lookgw-homepage-post-4/

I don't see where in that article that it states that Retributors will be their own box.

In the case of Retributors, who specialise in providing fire support, this means carrying either a heavy bolter, heavy flamer or multi-melta. In addition to multiple options of each weapon type and a Sister Superior to lead them, the Retributors will have a number of head options, including bare, helmeted, or ones equipped with rebreathers – all of which have their own additional flourishes of detail. For example, the full helm of the Retributor shown above has a built-in targeter for accuracy.

However, if you prefer your heretics chargrilled rather than perforated with heavy bolter rounds, chances are you’ll be looking to equip your Retributors with a heavy flamer or two.
Check out this alternative build that can be assembled from the kit…

That’s not all! The new kit is also set to include a brand-new feature in the form of an Armorium Cherub.

Then you didn't look hard enough. There's at least two mentions that make it clear that Retributors are meant to be their own kit.

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Celestians and Retributors are expected to be made from the Sisters box just with different bits. Grey Knights are expected to use one box for strike squads, purifiers (exactly the same only with more big guns) and interceptors (who get a special backpack) and the only difference between paladins and normal terminators is an extra bit on their shoulders that breaks off anyway.

It's been a common thought among the community that a Sisters update would require very few kits due to the Bility to share kits like that. So yeah, definitely plausible.

They can also have the weapons and some heads on a seperate sprue, so they only need to swap them out

 ekwatts wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's fine and I get the worry,

BUT. This is effectively a new army. Yes, it predates the upcoming release, but this is basically a new "Year Zero" for Sisters and while it might be limiting to begin with, I imagine that there will be more releases to come that will generally expand the army.

And it's been pointed out before, but even if the Sisters release consists of only a tank, two infantry boxes and a bunch of characters, that's actually a pretty big release compared to any other company.

It's a beginning, not an end. Let's not complain too much. We've had a decade of that.

It's 2 decades now and those don't stop existing because they finally deigned to hand out the scraps we should have gotten 15 years ago.

Comparing GW release to other companies is stupid in this context. You compare GW to GW. I don't care if this is would be a great Fantasy Flight release because it's not a goddam Fantasy Flight game.

And 'well they might come out with more stuff later!' is childishly naive, especially considering that whole 'decades' thing you were so quick to point out. Every Sisters of battle player must go into every model release assuming this is the last thing we're going to get for at least 10 years because That's the precedent GW has set.

Even Celestine was originally intended to be a single kit to shut sisters fans up for another decade until the Community Survey results came in.


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A.T. wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

Yeah. the guy who said they're 'all useful' is massively overselling it. Heavy bolters are okay, heavy flamers are mildly amusing for meme repressor builds(despite still being pretty bad) and multi meltas are terrible.

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

Frankly, it does seem like you're trying to be a downer. What in the world makes you think they wouldn't get a kit?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

Seriously? You're using Grey Knights as the basis?
Do you know when those models came out?
2010.

The difference in units as well is far, far, far less than you're making it out to be for Grey Knights. Backpacks were one difference for the Interceptors, more Heavy Weapons for Purgation Squads, Purifiers had a different painted helmet, and the standard squad wasn't anything special.
I'm also fairly sure(but not 100% certain) that Grey Knights initially released in a box of 5 rather than 10 and the metal special/heavy figures were still on sale for some time after the plastics dropped.

All that said: there is nothing of late that suggests your fears have any founding outside "BUT GW!".

ERJAK wrote:

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A.T. wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

They are all pretty terrible at the moment, so here's hoping for salamander style strats.

Yeah. the guy who said they're 'all useful' is massively overselling it. Heavy bolters are okay, heavy flamers are mildly amusing for meme repressor builds(despite still being pretty bad) and multi meltas are terrible.

They're all SoB have. They're not getting new weapons, so, yes, heavy bolters are useful, multi meltas are useful, and even heavy flamers are useful. They're not plasma or lascannons, but SoB don't get those, so why bother comparing to them? If you view these weapons with disdain, maybe sisters aren't for you?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Why do the tanks have the symbols of multiple Orders on them?

I know this was posted like a million pages ago but it caught my eye as I was playing catch-up.

The iconography in the tank is actually consistent with what we see in existing sisters of Battle stuff down to the infantry level: the capital I with the starburst skull in the middle is the icon of the Ecclesiarchy, the Fleur is Sisters of Battle as a group, and the symbol of venus is the specific order of battle sisters.

All boils down to the Order of Our Martyred Lady. Along with the red and black colour scheme.

As for the tanks themselves... it seems that every preview has had people shouting 'too much' or 'too little' and I think this is definitely a case of too much.

Now, that would work for an exorcist, to make it this massive centerpiece relic just festoined with bling by generations of gild-happy ecclesiarchs and if I ever build one that's the angle I'd go for when painting it, but the immolator is so blingy is basically competes with the Exorcist for that position, or itself if you opt to take more than one.

And that's a problem because even though I prefer rhinos with larger squads, the people who swear by immolators take a lot of them.

I hope against hope it's a dual-kit, but the only common parts they share apart from the Sororitas rhino we've seen already are the side armour and brazers (which are probably mount to the door plate like the stalker/hunter side skirts) and the front (which is probably an alternate front plate) while the stuff takced on top could fit on a whole sprue each. If it was though, I'd build the Immo without the cherub (which would break) and remove or replace the stained glass window (which I would claim to have lost) and just give the opponent the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to shoot at it peeking over cover. Then, put the Exorcist rocket launcher top on a stalker/hunter hull with those cute side-skirts, and mount the stained glass window on it.

Sister giant shades' helmet will go on a Canoness model, completing my trifecta of young short haired ex-penitent palatine, old wizened hooded elder, and inferno pistol wielding lunatic.

The tanks are fething terrible which is fine for the rocket organ because that was the point. But the flame tank is just poor and the worse case of a multi option kit being shoe horned in for ages because they used all the sprue space on the organ tank.

Since the Immolator is doubling up with the Exorcist I'm starting to suspect the Immolator may be changing from a dedicated transport to a heavy support (or maybe fast attack) tank with transport capacity.

 John Prins wrote:

Fictional wrote:
At least you can be almost certain that the Retributors box will only contain 2 of each weapon, and only 1 of them will be "good".

Well, Retributors only have 3 weapons choices - Heavy Bolter, Multi Melta and Heavy Flamer. They're all useful, especially if sisters get anything like the Salamanders flamer strats.

I said good, not useful.

In theory all the weapons that came with CSM Havoks are useful, but people stampeeded into fielding 4 Chaincannons, of which the kit contained 1.

And it's true, it is possible something new and good will come with the final Codex that makes people take a mix of weapons, rather than just fielding 4 heavy bolters.
I'd like to think they would improve or expand the Holy Trinity strat in some way, or have it as a bonus applied to mixed weapon squads.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

No, it's says they're a NEW kit, not their OWN kit. I'm not trying to be a downer because I'd love a Retributor only kit as I have literally over 100 normal, metal battle sisters and not many heavy sisters, but I'm choosing to not get my hopes up because GW is still GW.

No, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.

Havocs got a kit. There is no reason to expect Retributors will not get a kit.

And I cited that Grey Knights make 3 units from one basic kit, and Sisters have a similar situation where they have 3 power armor units that could be included into one SKU.

Seriously? You're using Grey Knights as the basis?
Do you know when those models came out?
2010.

The difference in units as well is far, far, far less than you're making it out to be for Grey Knights. Backpacks were one difference for the Interceptors, more Heavy Weapons for Purgation Squads, Purifiers had a different painted helmet, and the standard squad wasn't anything special.
I'm also fairly sure(but not 100% certain) that Grey Knights initially released in a box of 5 rather than 10 and the metal special/heavy figures were still on sale for some time after the plastics dropped.

All that said: there is nothing of late that suggests your fears have any founding outside "BUT GW!".

I don't know why you're so determined to argue your point. I'm just fully expecting that the "massive" Sisters release will be just like last years Orktober. GW have a very long track record of hyping up small releases as a huge deal.

To be fair, revamping an army that has lacked a major model release for over twenty one years is still a big deal, even if the number of kits is low.