Battle Sister Bulletin – Part 17: Capital Punishment… on Legs!
In this Battle Sister Bulletin, we’re checking in with everyone’s favourite execution machine of excruciating death – the Penitent Engine! This particular model features in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set, which is on its way in November, so today we’re taking a closer look at the miniature’s incredible design. But before we do, let’s remind ourselves exactly what these horrific creations are all about…
What We Know
Life in the 41st Millennium is pretty bleak at best, but to delve into the background of the Penitent Engine is to gaze into some of the very grimmest and darkest parts of the far future. Brace yourself – this is not for the faint of heart!
The Ecclesiarchy is unflinching in its punishment of those who commit crimes against the Emperor.* Those judged guilty of the most heinous acts of treachery and betrayal are condemned to die – not by the executioner’s blade, nor even by immolation at the stake,** but as the pilot of a Penitent Engine…
Once wired into the Penitent Engine’s crucible, the convict is as good as dead, for once they are neurally bonded there’s no coming back from the physical and mental trauma inflicted upon them by the machine’s torment amplifiers.*** From that point onwards, the hapless sinner becomes little more than a pain-fuelled berserker, wildly lashing out at cruelly engineered projections of their own crimes as they seek desperate penance in an apoplectic, terminal rampage.****
For their part, the Adepta Sororitas often make use of Penitent Engines. Not only do the Battle Sisters see it as their solemn duty to witness the punishment of the condemned, but the wanton destruction that the Penitent Engines can unleash makes them highly effective – but entirely expendable – auxiliary assets.
The Model
The Penitent Engine is a lethal device – both for its unfortunate pilot and those facing it in battle. It shares the aesthetics of a crude torture machine, with wrought iron and wooden elements layered on top of its otherwise minimalist structure. Given the intentionally disposable nature of the Penitent Engine’s occupant, every expense will have been spared in its construction, the one embellishment being the Ecclesiarchy symbol at its crown.
The Penitent Engine’s hollow main alcove – referred to as a crucible – is designed to accommodate its condemned occupant in whatever torturous stress position they’re bound in.***** Judging by his curled fingers and toes, not to mention the pained expression on his face, it’s fair to say this particular prisoner looks… less than comfortable! His emaciated body and ragged clothing also imply that he’s been incarcerated for some time, waiting on death row for his appointed time of execution in battle.
A visor covers the scalp and eyes of the Penitent Engine’s occupant,****** through which he is neurally overstimulated with pain via a series of umbilical cables, while racks of stimms and combat drug injectors run the length of his spinal column. Around his neck, a heavy weight has been hung, bearing his penitent number. There is no lock and key for his neck clamp – once it’s fastened, that’s it!
Even though the Penitent Engine has a stripped-down aesthetic for massed production, the weaponry is still more advanced than the crude buzz-saws and burnas of Ork Deff Dread and Killa Kans. The circular blades, in particular, feature deep indentations to ensure that they won’t get clogged up with viscera or the torn hulls of the Penitent Engine’s victims.
You can look forward to getting your own Penitent Engine in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set later this year. Until then, make sure you’ve got the existing plastic miniatures, Celestine and Amalia Novena, painted in readiness for the new models. We’ll be back in a couple of weeks with your next Battle Sister Bulletin.
* As the saying goes: ‘To err once is human; to err twice is treachery.’
** Those methods are so 40,000 years ago!
*** To be fair, we doubt they’d want to after what they go through!
**** We recommend staying at a safe distance at this point.
***** Being bound to a wooden beam in this manner was apparently called ‘planking’ – and no, you wouldn’t want to post a picture online if you’re planking like this…
****** We like to think he’s in his happy place… but we somehow doubt it!
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That's the same fella they showed off for the army box reveal and there's no mention of a separate kit, posability or other engines. Kinda lends some weight to the monopose/etb rumour.
Battle Sister Bulletin – Part 17: Capital Punishment… on Legs!
In this Battle Sister Bulletin, we’re checking in with everyone’s favourite execution machine of excruciating death – the Penitent Engine! This particular model features in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set, which is on its way in November, so today we’re taking a closer look at the miniature’s incredible design. But before we do, let’s remind ourselves exactly what these horrific creations are all about…
What We Know
Life in the 41st Millennium is pretty bleak at best, but to delve into the background of the Penitent Engine is to gaze into some of the very grimmest and darkest parts of the far future. Brace yourself – this is not for the faint of heart!
The Ecclesiarchy is unflinching in its punishment of those who commit crimes against the Emperor.* Those judged guilty of the most heinous acts of treachery and betrayal are condemned to die – not by the executioner’s blade, nor even by immolation at the stake,** but as the pilot of a Penitent Engine…
Once wired into the Penitent Engine’s crucible, the convict is as good as dead, for once they are neurally bonded there’s no coming back from the physical and mental trauma inflicted upon them by the machine’s torment amplifiers.*** From that point onwards, the hapless sinner becomes little more than a pain-fuelled berserker, wildly lashing out at cruelly engineered projections of their own crimes as they seek desperate penance in an apoplectic, terminal rampage.****
For their part, the Adepta Sororitas often make use of Penitent Engines. Not only do the Battle Sisters see it as their solemn duty to witness the punishment of the condemned, but the wanton destruction that the Penitent Engines can unleash makes them highly effective – but entirely expendable – auxiliary assets.
The Model
The Penitent Engine is a lethal device – both for its unfortunate pilot and those facing it in battle. It shares the aesthetics of a crude torture machine, with wrought iron and wooden elements layered on top of its otherwise minimalist structure. Given the intentionally disposable nature of the Penitent Engine’s occupant, every expense will have been spared in its construction, the one embellishment being the Ecclesiarchy symbol at its crown.
The Penitent Engine’s hollow main alcove – referred to as a crucible – is designed to accommodate its condemned occupant in whatever torturous stress position they’re bound in.***** Judging by his curled fingers and toes, not to mention the pained expression on his face, it’s fair to say this particular prisoner looks… less than comfortable! His emaciated body and ragged clothing also imply that he’s been incarcerated for some time, waiting on death row for his appointed time of execution in battle.
A visor covers the scalp and eyes of the Penitent Engine’s occupant,****** through which he is neurally overstimulated with pain via a series of umbilical cables, while racks of stimms and combat drug injectors run the length of his spinal column. Around his neck, a heavy weight has been hung, bearing his penitent number. There is no lock and key for his neck clamp – once it’s fastened, that’s it!
Even though the Penitent Engine has a stripped-down aesthetic for massed production, the weaponry is still more advanced than the crude buzz-saws and burnas of Ork Deff Dread and Killa Kans. The circular blades, in particular, feature deep indentations to ensure that they won’t get clogged up with viscera or the torn hulls of the Penitent Engine’s victims.
You can look forward to getting your own Penitent Engine in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set later this year. Until then, make sure you’ve got the existing plastic miniatures, Celestine and Amalia Novena, painted in readiness for the new models. We’ll be back in a couple of weeks with your next Battle Sister Bulletin.
* As the saying goes: ‘To err once is human; to err twice is treachery.’
** Those methods are so 40,000 years ago!
*** To be fair, we doubt they’d want to after what they go through!
**** We recommend staying at a safe distance at this point.
***** Being bound to a wooden beam in this manner was apparently called ‘planking’ – and no, you wouldn’t want to post a picture online if you’re planking like this…
****** We like to think he’s in his happy place… but we somehow doubt it!
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That's the same fella they showed off for the army box reveal and there's no mention of a separate kit, posability or other engines. Kinda lends some weight to the monopose/etb rumour.
That’s not a rumour. That’s some guy’s speculation that some people are taking at face value for some reason.
That’s not a rumour. That’s some guy’s speculation that some people are taking at face value for some reason.
Thats literally what "rumor" means. If it were verified instead of being speculation it wouldn't be a rumor.
Definition of rumor (Entry 1 of 2)
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
That’s not a rumour. That’s some guy’s speculation that some people are taking at face value for some reason.
Thats literally what "rumor" means. If it were verified instead of being speculation it wouldn't be a rumor.
Definition of rumor (Entry 1 of 2)
1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source
2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
Yea.. but that definition is just a rumor. We have to wait and see what the real definition will be.
That was a very disappointing Bulletin... Still don't like the model, which is all due to the pose. I suppose it should display the engine being on the move, but it looks far too static for that. It just looks like it lifts up one leg, simply to stand on only one, stationary. If the model is somewhat customizable in its pose it could be great, but somehow that seems (extremely) unlikely.
Out of curiosity, why?
The machine itself isn't particularly different, the new one has saw blades that look like they might cut people rather than bludgeon them to death, and almost certainly won't be the same horror show to assemble.
Female pilot and a double-guns configuration in the background of the art picture.
Given GW's current policy regarding No Model No Rules and the fact that the background model in the art has the exact same torch placement and "cathedral roof" design for the top, I think it's extremely likely that we'll see that as a secondary build option.
Out of curiosity, why?
The machine itself isn't particularly different, the new one has saw blades that look like they might cut people rather than bludgeon them to death, and almost certainly won't be the same horror show to assemble.
Crimson wrote: So they showed us a model we have already seen...
And artwork with different weapon options. The one in the back has guns rather than flamers, and censors rather than buzz saws.
I really don't think it would have been too much to ask that they would have previewed those options by showing the actual model.
This is it, they showed us this engine already, this literal exact engine, then an unannounced set of possible options in the back of a piece of artwork isn't much of a reveal.
Crimson wrote: So they showed us a model we have already seen...
And artwork with different weapon options. The one in the back has guns rather than flamers, and censors rather than buzz saws.
I really don't think it would have been too much to ask that they would have previewed those options by showing the actual model.
They did show the actual model. As far as we know as of this moment, there are no other options, background art or not. If they exist, they'll likely be in a future full kit.
WarCom wrote:You can look forward to getting your own Penitent Engine in the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set later this year
Note the singular. That one model is the specific one that will be appearing in the November boxed set. The only things they've shown in all these months (34 weeks!) that isn't in the box is the rhino, the indifferent hospitaler on the giant base, and the stand alone Sister Superior that already came out. In two weeks, prepare for the Mistress of Repentance that's in the video. She's probably the only thing left we haven't had a full article (or articles) about (unless they amazingly haven't done the Seraphim we've already seen).
Though thinking about it, that would work out. Mistress or seraphim on October 14th, the other the 28th and then preorder for the boxed set probably on November 2 (though last Saturday of October or November 9 also have reasonable odds for the preorder).
Out of curiosity, why?
The machine itself isn't particularly different, the new one has saw blades that look like they might cut people rather than bludgeon them to death, and almost certainly won't be the same horror show to assemble.
I don't like the new pilot, there's something off but I can't exactly point what, maybe the orientation of the hands, the pants feels out of place too but it may be due to the color scheme. Also the cruxified pose of the old one seems more evocative of a religious punishment to me.
On the engine itself, I don't like the human legs which make it look like a dread, I prefer the sentinel type legs. The main body seems smaller, and the pose feels more like he's dancing "walk like a egyptian" than about to smash some heretics. And it doesn't have all the skulls, banners and purity seals that were on the old one.
Out of curiosity, why?
The machine itself isn't particularly different, the new one has saw blades that look like they might cut people rather than bludgeon them to death, and almost certainly won't be the same horror show to assemble.
Well, the old one was bigger.
I like the smaller version. A few walkers are too big, and could have been done more compactly. Redemptor dreadnought and admech ironstrider both come to mind. Glad this stayed more compact.
The new vehicles being designed for the Adepta Sororitas represent the more antiquated Deimos-pattern Rhino STC. As such, they are flanked by the archetypal circular doors, adorned with the symbolic fleur-de-lys of the Adepta Sororitas.
Mind you, it’s possible that those designs are only for the Sororitas-specific Immolator (and perhaps the Repressor?).
Gallahad wrote: The penitent's hands are freakishly large. I just can't unsee them.
I'd call that GW standard if GW was actually capable of maintaining standards. They've reined in the large hands, feet and heads over the last years on some models, but not others. Mostly on females, actually. I don't know if this guy can quite compete with the old (current) zombies for hand size, but he should at least get credit for trying.
Spreading his fingers like that certainly doesn't help either.
Gallahad wrote: The penitent's hands are freakishly large. I just can't unsee them.
I hope there is an option for a female penitent.
It might be an attempt to represent emancipation, highlighting how thin their arms are by retaining some size in the hands. Considering there's a lot more bone in the hands it might even be that once you reach a certain point of starvation the relative size of hands to upper and lower arms does start to increase. Plus its the sort of detail that might look fine at 1ft but not at 1 inch in a photo from the model.
The problem with that is that GW actually sucks at emaciation. Their house style is beefy and muscular. Just look how Flagellants turned out. Nice models as such, but nowhere close to starving religious madmen. And they came before Age of Sigmar doubled down on the beef factor.
The hands are a little big, but it’s not like they’re full on yaoi hands or anything. I think the angle and bindings on the arms make them look smaller, and thus worsens the perspective on the hands as well.
AduroT wrote: The hands are a little big, but it’s not like they’re full on yaoi hands or anything.
Faint praise
But yea, I'd build them without the weak as convicts, probably go wired in servo skulls or fluid vat or even pull the pilots off the old p-engines. A smaller pilot would make the engine look bigger, which currently looks a bit smaller than expected
Alright, set your clocks for the whining and outrage - judging by the 40K Open day, the date the new Battlesister box will go on pre-order will be the 30th. Technically in November...
If you’re a fan of Adepta Sororitas or the aircraft of the 41st Millennium, you’ll want to get yourself to the Warhammer 40,000 Open Day on Saturday the 30th of November. A demo area will be showcasing the new Sisters of Battles rules, and you’ll be able to get your hands on one of the new models in the Paint & Take area – that’s right, a free Battle Sister for you!
Doesn't bode that well for new units, as GW don't usually do a December army release, but looks like with the Impulsor and the marine releases they might be flirting with going back to the releases that don't see everything come out with the codex.
I'd be curious if this tradition is more down to the ordering process from third party sellers rather than GW's traditionally whimsical release process.
The big Christmas boxes of terrain usually get revealed to store owners around February/March to get a handle on numbers, and whilst anecdotally I've been told that Christmas isn't that big a deal for a GW store (it's a month and a half or so, which is on the low side for retail) I don't know if this holds for third party stores - who might need to plan a bit more in advance about how to maximise things than they would do normally.
There's a slight difference. Warhammer Community did its marketing campaign to make something they called Orktober happen, but GW had no releases to back it up. That was a clear marketing failure on GW's part and they deserve all the flak they got for it.
Plastic Sisters from the very beginning had GW say "2019 - Emperor willing". That's not hard to decode as GW preparing to be the best kind of correct, and while I'm certain we all hoped to get everything for the army in one big, awesome release, you should at least keep in mind what GW said and consider that that may not happen.
I mean, given the complaints we've seen about the latest staggered Marine releases I have no doubt there will be ample complaints about a barebones Sisters release, but unlike the Marine release and Orktober there is actually forewarning straight from GW.
6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Pure Marine players have reason to be so entitled - they normally get something every week and are shocked if they don't.....
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
I think this year we'll just see the box and maybe the separate codex (it's in full one in the box isn't it?) - not individual kits.
Main release/showing of the rest of the new stuff in the Jan 4th Open day - assuming the sisters codex in the box isn't kind of a minidex like Vanguard Space marines were and just has the things in the box (or just the existing Sisters stuff), and then the full Ecclesiarchy codex joins them with the rest of the new stuff later on.
tneva82 wrote: sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
It has been ~184 months since GW released a new unit for the sisters. No new units have yet been announced for this year.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Feel free to be as hyperbolic as you like, but in terms of things we know, there will be a boxed set with a largely known number of redone Sisters kits all in plastic going on pre-order this November, and the box will contain a version of the codex that is described as limited edition. That's all we know is going to be released for the time being. Anything else is supposition.
And if that turns out to be all we get this year, we're not looking at the release of a functional army any more than the introduction of Genestealer Cults in Overkill was one. There will be rules to use the models in the box, you can probably have fun games with the boxed set's contents at the points level that provides, but for the average player the contents of a single box will be all they will be able to field until separate boxes for all the units are released. Which will not be pleasing to a lot of people because they didn't want plastic Sisters just to have plastic Sisters but to actually play a full and viable army of them. Which they will have to keep waiting on. Again, if what we know now is going to be released is all that's going to be released.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
I'm not complaining about the kits, they seem nice
I'm complaining about the apparent lack of rules and/or options, both of which would cost nothing, to make me excited about those kits. My assumption was that they would do what they did for grey knights, make a ton of options out of a small number of kits, which would allow for some new choices, but all we've seen besides resculpts is a ammo cherub for retributors.
Its still possible that they hit it out of the park with the new rules and we don't need any options, but I'm not sure.
Lord Damocles wrote: '...every expense will have been spared in its construction...' ...except for the decorative trims, braziers, detailing on the fuel tanks, skulls...
Try to find a piece of imperial metal scrap without skulls or ornaments.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
I'm not complaining about the kits, they seem nice
I'm complaining about the apparent lack of rules and/or options, both of which would cost nothing, to make me excited about those kits. My assumption was that they would do what they did for grey knights, make a ton of options out of a small number of kits, which would allow for some new choices, but all we've seen besides resculpts is a ammo cherub for retributors.
Its still possible that they hit it out of the park with the new rules and we don't need any options, but I'm not sure.
There’s a chance that these are all monopose models from the box in November, according to rumours. So there wouldn’t be options there. I’m not convinced by the rumour yet personally but it’s not unfeasible.
There’s a chance that these are all monopose models from the box in November, according to rumours. So there wouldn’t be options there. I’m not convinced by the rumour yet personally but it’s not unfeasible.
Wait, do we think that the box is going to be monopose "ezbuild" models, and then we're getting a stack of different boxes?
That sounds like a lot of confidence on GW's part that they'll be able to sell a lot of army boxes to do unique sprues for it.
There’s a chance that these are all monopose models from the box in November, according to rumours. So there wouldn’t be options there. I’m not convinced by the rumour yet personally but it’s not unfeasible.
Wait, do we think that the box is going to be monopose "ezbuild" models, and then we're getting a stack of different boxes?
That sounds like a lot of confidence on GW's part that they'll be able to sell a lot of army boxes to do unique sprues for it.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Feel free to be as hyperbolic as you like, but in terms of things we know, there will be a boxed set with a largely known number of redone Sisters kits all in plastic going on pre-order this November, and the box will contain a version of the codex that is described as limited edition. That's all we know is going to be released for the time being. Anything else is supposition.
And if that turns out to be all we get this year, we're not looking at the release of a functional army any more than the introduction of Genestealer Cults in Overkill was one. There will be rules to use the models in the box, you can probably have fun games with the boxed set's contents at the points level that provides, but for the average player the contents of a single box will be all they will be able to field until separate boxes for all the units are released. Which will not be pleasing to a lot of people because they didn't want plastic Sisters just to have plastic Sisters but to actually play a full and viable army of them. Which they will have to keep waiting on. Again, if what we know now is going to be released is all that's going to be released.
are sisters a Xenos faction now? Is anything not a marine now a xenos?
There’s a chance that these are all monopose models from the box in November, according to rumours. So there wouldn’t be options there. I’m not convinced by the rumour yet personally but it’s not unfeasible.
Wait, do we think that the box is going to be monopose "ezbuild" models, and then we're getting a stack of different boxes?
That sounds like a lot of confidence on GW's part that they'll be able to sell a lot of army boxes to do unique sprues for it.
That is how they did shadowspear, dark imperium and deathwatch Overkill.
That is how they did shadowspear, dark imperium and deathwatch Overkill.
Yeah but those were either standalone things or two armies, I think this would be the first single army release they did this for, Its a risk, though it would cut down or eliminate the secondary market of "I'll buy this box and sell the half I dont want"
That is how they did shadowspear, dark imperium and deathwatch Overkill.
Yeah but those were either standalone things or two armies, I think this would be the first single army release they did this for, Its a risk, though it would cut down or eliminate the secondary market of "I'll buy this box and sell the half I dont want"
It's the first time they've launched a new amy in a box containing a codex in what must be a decade?
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Feel free to be as hyperbolic as you like, but in terms of things we know, there will be a boxed set with a largely known number of redone Sisters kits all in plastic going on pre-order this November, and the box will contain a version of the codex that is described as limited edition. That's all we know is going to be released for the time being. Anything else is supposition.
And if that turns out to be all we get this year, we're not looking at the release of a functional army any more than the introduction of Genestealer Cults in Overkill was one. There will be rules to use the models in the box, you can probably have fun games with the boxed set's contents at the points level that provides, but for the average player the contents of a single box will be all they will be able to field until separate boxes for all the units are released. Which will not be pleasing to a lot of people because they didn't want plastic Sisters just to have plastic Sisters but to actually play a full and viable army of them. Which they will have to keep waiting on. Again, if what we know now is going to be released is all that's going to be released.
are sisters a Xenos faction now? Is anything not a marine now a xenos?
Nah, just Sisters. We have fishfolk in space, and they're Xenos. We have fairyfolk in space, and they're Xenos. Now we're getting womenfolk in space, so guess what they'll be. It's simple logic, you see.
More seriously, I don't exactly know what tneva is on about with that, but if you group support level traditionally it's popularly Imperium, Chaos and Xenos (which is nonsensical but whatever). If you strictly work with those three tiers by support level there's some sense to putting Sisters in the same group as some Xenos armies, although compared to Sisters every single Xenos army has still been drowned in attention. Sisters are pretty singular in the state they're in.
Well, they are now. For a while they were nothing particularly special- wood elves and dark eldar were in a pretty similar state- neglected for years and then suddenly new book, new sculpts.
Wraith models aside, Craftworld eldar have felt much the same as well, other than the lingering bike picture that floated for years before it actually happened. But then there was persistent rumors of Sisters models for years but 'they just couldn't get the robes right,' or some such rot.
I think a lot of these monopose models that are coming out now will eventually find their way into Start Collecting boxes. I think GW have had a think about how to stop people stocking up on large numbers of SC boxes, and this is their chosen method.
What's more interesting is that this is a proper last chance with an actual cut off date in advance! Seriously wish this was how GW did ALL Last Chances (where possible and practical - ergo when the mould hasn't just broken).
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?
I don't like the new rhino without the top plate!
The leftmost tab on GW's website that has the pre-orders section also has the Last Chance to Buy section.
And yes, the current Immolator as well the Exorcist are there. If you want more of those, this is the time to buy.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: How do you know? Is the old rhino+immolator kit part of the operation or not?
I don't like the new rhino without the top plate!
you can tell by the red circle with 2 blocks in it, the immolator kit is part of the last change
Thanks everyone for the answer. I just wish I knew how the new Immolator looks like, to decide if I can just turn all my current dual-kits into rhinos and buy new immolators, or if I should stock up on old rhinolators now before the model change!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Thanks everyone for the answer. I just wish I knew how the new Immolator looks like, to decide if I can just turn all my current dual-kits into rhinos and buy new immolators, or if I should stock up on old rhinolators now before the model change!
Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...
Lord Damocles wrote: Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...
Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"
Lord Damocles wrote: Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...
Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"
Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.
Lord Damocles wrote: Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...
Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"
Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.
Aren't SoS one of the factions that still sees the emperor as a man instead of a diety? Because that would be a MASSIVE problem when trying to work with SoB.
Gameplay wise they make sense to work together but fluffwise I think they're too different.
I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.
drbored wrote: Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.
I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.
I concur.
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.
Lord Damocles wrote: Also of note, October's White Dwarf has updated rules for Sisters of Silence which probably* means that the Null Maidens won't be rolled into Codex: Sisters of Battle.
*Although [i]White Dwarf rules becoming obsolete within a couple of months isn't exactly unheard of...
Which is good, because the only reason that you would ever have to do so is "Well, they both gots the boobies! So they belong in the same codex, right?"
Or they're both good at hunting psykers, Sisters are the only force to not have psykers in the Imperium that are also widespread and are a logical pairing if you assume that SoS shouldn't have their own codex.
Aren't SoS one of the factions that still sees the emperor as a man instead of a diety? Because that would be a MASSIVE problem when trying to work with SoB.
Gameplay wise they make sense to work together but fluffwise I think they're too different.
Neither do Space Marines yet they work together pretty easily. Just don't bring it up and sideline every conversation to duty.
drbored wrote: Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.
I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.
I concur.
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
Why wouldn't they work well together, they don't exactly have much to talk about do they? harharhar
Most likely nothing, but have there been any reveals in the new SOB line of any melta weaponry? slightly concerned here
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
Well, I don't really know if it's a good idea to put them in the SoB book or not, but there isn't really much necessarily stopping a dualistic interpretation of the Emperor. Each one could just be favoring one aspect over the other, not necessarily denying it exists. I mean, it's not impossible, there is a rather popular real world religion that maintains God as a Trinity.
And several branches of said rather popular real world religion are nontrinitarian, a topic that has been argued with words and weapons for about as long as said religion exists. Something tells me that particularly zealous people in one group might not cooperate very easily with those from the other category.
If the SoB really need a particular battlefield role to be filled, I'd rather see the creation of a new profile than just including the SoS "because they need a place and are also womenfolk".
SoB are especially good at hunting psykers? I thought they were just good at rooting out heresy, which is entirely different.
Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ? Also, there is a reason why they were part of an old codex named "Witch Hunters".
Sisters hate mutants, witches and heretics. Since the first two are usually the third as well..."burn the heretic !" is kinda the short version of their battle motto.
Sarouan wrote: Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ?
Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.
Really, psyker-heavy armies are much better at denying powers than Sisters are. Culexus are much better at this too. And SoS are much better at this too.
Sarouan wrote: Also, there is a reason why they were part of an old codex named "Witch Hunters".
Yes, it is because straight after the release of Inquisitor, the 54 mm miniature game, GW decide to release 3 inquisition codex for the 3 ordos, and they decide to include other forces for padding, and when selecting the padding for Ordo Hereticus, the order focused on hunting Heretics, they selected the Sisters of Battle, because they are also very focused on Heresy. Why Witch Hunter for this codex? Well, I guess Heretics Hunter didn't sound as good, and it conveys the same idea of hunting heresy. Actual witch-hunters victims didn't have any psychic powers. When Donald Trump calls investigations “Witch Hunt”, he doesn't mean that people think he has psychic powers, he thinks that people are unfairly attacking him for his believes.
Sarouan wrote: Sisters hate mutants, witches and heretics. Since the first two are usually the third as well..."burn the heretic !" is kinda the short version of their battle motto.
They hate both, and specialize on finding them. Investigators. If you told me that Sisters are specialized in finding out hidden psykers, yeah, that would be part of their role. Minor, because
a) Psykers are much rarer than mutants and heretics
b) There are more specialized forces that are MUCH better at this role, given that the Sisters know nothing, and don't want to know anything, about psychic powers, beside that they hate those.
The black ships aren't crewed by Sisters of Battle, you know? That's for a reason!
Sarouan wrote: Why do you think their Shield of Faith ability is giving them a defense against psychic powers ?
Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.
I'd say it might also have been GW overthinking it, as the sisters have had a much more straightforward 5+ in previous editions - which worked fine when psychic powers were 'I shoot a psychic heavy flamer at you' and not so much use against summoning and invisibility.
The current rules are either a coin flip against every power with the relic or not even worth rolling without. Wouldn't be surprised to see it changed again.
Why do you think this defense is useless in 99.9% of the cases?
Because it's a little nice thematic thing (resisting through pure faith/willpower) rather than a major thing.
Yeah, it's thematic - because it represent their faith being a shield against psychic powers. You also seem to forget they have a stratagem to nullify a psychic power as well. Why do they have that ? Because they are hunting psykers, that are considered extra heretics in the canon of the imperium.
They were always showing contempt on psykers, especially in the background. Are you saying it never existed now ?
Really, psyker-heavy armies are much better at denying powers than Sisters are. Culexus are much better at this too. And SoS are much better at this too.
SoB have this, while other non psyker armies don't. Tell the Tau or the Astra Militarum without psykers how they manage to stop their powers.
Of course psykers are the best defense against psykers. This is litterally what it says in the background too. And of course non psyker abilities are lesser than psykers in that field - or, I don't know, litteral psychic living voids as the Culexus and the Sisters of Silence are.
Your point is meaningless. It's not because an ability isn't all powerful than its presence means nothing for the theme.
They hate both, and specialize on finding them. Investigators. If you told me that Sisters are specialized in finding out hidden psykers, yeah, that would be part of their role. Minor, because
a) Psykers are much rarer than mutants and heretics
b) There are more specialized forces that are MUCH better at this role, given that the Sisters know nothing, and don't want to know anything, about psychic powers, beside that they hate those.
The black ships aren't crewed by Sisters of Battle, you know? That's for a reason!
a) The rarity doesn't mean they don't hunt them the lesser in comparison to the others.
b) Well duh ! Still doesn't mean the sisters like the psykers in their hearts and aren't extra wary of psyker powers. Because that's in their background, you not remembering it or not wanting to read it doesn't make it disappear from reality.
And of course the black ships aren't crewed by SoB. Though I remember some stories having them as escorts because of their special resistance to psychic powers. Not to the level of SoS, of course, but since those are an entirely other level of special forces, it's not like you can have SoS everywhere to stop everything.
Face it, they were part of the Codex : Witch Hunters for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitors like to use when they hunt, well, witches - the other word for psykers in 40k background. And please leave Trump's nonsense out of this, he doesn't know to use words so no need to confuse in 40k as well.
Because it fits the “pure will/true faith” theme they got going.
Sarouan wrote: They were always showing contempt on psykers, especially in the background.
They were always shwoing contempt for xenos too. And for heretics. Apostate heretics get the most contempt of all.
Sarouan wrote: Of course psykers are the best defense against psykers.
Well, no, that's blank. Culexus + Sisters of Silence. Force that, unlike the Sisters of Battle, focus entirely on hunting psykers. Because Sisters of Battle primary focus are:
a) Ecclesiarchial all-purpose army, and
b) Ecclesiarchy “internal affairs” investigator and executor (← which is why they are close in some way to the Ordo Hereticus)
Sarouan wrote: Face it, they were part of the Codex : Witch Hunters for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitors like to use when they hunt, well, witches - the other word for psykers in 40k background.
They are part of the Codex: Witch Hunter for the simple reason they are one of the forces inquisitor like to use when they hunt heretics. Including sometime psychers, but that's more of an exception than the rule. Apostate cardinals, unruly planetary governors, even too borderline space marines chapters get destroyed by Inquisitor-led Sisters of Battle armies.
Sarouan wrote: And please leave Trump's nonsense out of this, he doesn't know to use words so no need to confuse in 40k as well.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Don't they often work with Witch Hunters / Ordo Hereticus, who are psyker hunters?
Don't they also have a weapon that specializes in killing psykers?
The ordo hereticus was originally set up after the incident with Vandire and is primarily interested in heresy. This does tend to lead them towards the mutant and from there the witch but not as a specialisation - if someone like Ahriman popped up it's more something for the malleus, whereas rampant xenos psychic activity would be the area of the ordo xenos (for instance).
The sisters specialist weapon for killing psykers is the flamer*. Burn the witch and all that.
(*also a combi stake-crossbow for character models, which in 8th edition is functionally a very picky stormbolter. It is amongst the new plastic weapons so perhaps that will change)
drbored wrote: Sisters of Silence =/= Sisters of Battle.
I'm glad the SoS are getting rules in a White Dwarf at least, but they don't belong in the Sisters of Battle book at all. If anything, they should have been put into the Custodes book.
I concur.
SOS love BiggiE for being a man.
SOB love BiggiE for being a god.
something tells me they wouldnt work well together.
to be fair, Chaos books have Tzeentch followers who flippin' love a bit of magic as well as Khorne followers who probably dismember folks who can shuffle cards, so...
A.T. wrote: The ordo hereticus was originally set up after the incident with Vandire and is primarily interested in heresy. This does tend to lead them towards the mutant and from there the witch but not as a specialisation - if someone like Ahriman popped up it's more something for the malleus, whereas rampant xenos psychic activity would be the area of the ordo xenos (for instance).
Thanks, that's what I was trying to say, but obviously failed to convey.
Their faith makes them slightly more resistant, but that doesn't usually matter, because it's just a pretty slight increase. In my opinion the only case where it could come handy is if dealing with a mind control psyker that was powerful enough to control other forces but not powerful enough to control Sister, if that happens, but that's a very rare situation afaict.
Also it doesn't matter how many IG regiment include psykers because IG regiments that do not include psykers still far outnumber SoB.
How so? Do you think it means their in the codex or that it's a sign of life for the Inquisition?
Two or three Battle Sister Bulletins back we saw one feature in the foreground of new artwork. It was speculated that because f that we might reasonably expect plastic Arco-Flagellants. Seeing the old models go reinforces that.
I'd have preferred to see new Deathcult Assassins myself, though. Not a good sign to see the old metals continue to be sold.
How so? Do you think it means their in the codex or that it's a sign of life for the Inquisition?
Two or three Battle Sister Bulletins back we saw one feature in the foreground of new artwork. It was speculated that because f that we might reasonably expect plastic Arco-Flagellants. Seeing the old models go reinforces that.
I'd have preferred to see new Deathcult Assassins myself, though. Not a good sign to see the old metals continue to be sold.
Its sightly odd as they already have a plastic Deathcult Asssassin in the Rogue Trader set. Seeing as they have done the giant Acro's I am assuming they will do the same for the small ones
tneva82 wrote: sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
It has been ~184 months since GW released a new unit for the sisters. No new units have yet been announced for this year.
Man, Veridiugly and Celestine with sidekicks come out 16 years ago? Man, the time sure does flow!
And that's if we ignore FW sister units, ecclesiarchy expansion around 5th edition, and the BSF minis...
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Pure Marine players have reason to be so entitled - they normally get something every week and are shocked if they don't.....
I really hope this was just a weak troll, because if not, you just proved his point better than any argument could have. Marine players had two releases this edition, first wave of primaris 3 years ago and and comically drawn out second wave that GW couldn't release fully for whatever reason so it doesn't even count as a full one yet. Ok, two and a half if we're generous and count demo units of wave 2 from Shadowspear as anything approaching one. Two releases in three years, when Nurgle alone had 4 times that, never mind other armies, the horror!
Irbis wrote: Man, Veridiugly and Celestine with sidekicks come out 16 years ago? Man, the time sure does flow! And that's if we ignore FW sister units, ecclesiarchy expansion around 5th edition, and the BSF minis...
Units.
Celestine 2004, Canoness 1993. All forgeworld sororitas units were released pre-witch hunters.
The 'ecclesiarchy expansion' was Jacobus and Kyrinov - models from 1997 that had been discontinued in 3rd.
tneva82 wrote: sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
It has been ~184 months since GW released a new unit for the sisters. No new units have yet been announced for this year.
Man, Veridiugly and Celestine with sidekicks come out 16 years ago? Man, the time sure does flow!
And that's if we ignore FW sister units, ecclesiarchy expansion around 5th edition, and the BSF minis...
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Pure Marine players have reason to be so entitled - they normally get something every week and are shocked if they don't.....
I really hope this was just a weak troll, because if not, you just proved his point better than any argument could have. Marine players had two releases this edition, first wave of primaris 3 years ago and and comically drawn out second wave that GW couldn't release fully for whatever reason so it doesn't even count as a full one yet. Ok, two and a half if we're generous and count demo units of wave 2 from Shadowspear as anything approaching one. Two releases in three years, when Nurgle alone had 4 times that, never mind other armies, the horror!
Looks at the releases from Forgeworld - as usual sees new Marines including the Levianthan Dreadnought people get so excited about FOR 40K
Looks back at the last month for 40k releases - sees something new every week for Marines
Dismisses argument as fately flawedand orignally statement as completely correct.
Guess a new model every week is not enough for some.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: The resin Canoness from 2-3 years back is on the block too.
No she's not. She's just direct only!
Huh it shows up in the Last Chance list but didn't have the icon. So maybe it'll stick around.
It's because the Community post links to GWs Adepta Sororitas section, not their LCTB. At the time the WC post went up, they weren't in the LCTB section, but are now.
tneva82 wrote: 6-7 kits, boxed set and codex not releases to back it up?
sheesh no wonder gw doesn't usually bother to release anything for xenos as whiny players complain with all those releases as not enough. guess gw would need to release 100 kits in a month to satisfy people.
Pure Marine players have reason to be so entitled - they normally get something every week and are shocked if they don't.....
I really hope this was just a weak troll, because if not, you just proved his point better than any argument could have. Marine players had two releases this edition, first wave of primaris 3 years ago and and comically drawn out second wave that GW couldn't release fully for whatever reason so it doesn't even count as a full one yet. Ok, two and a half if we're generous and count demo units of wave 2 from Shadowspear as anything approaching one. Two releases in three years, when Nurgle alone had 4 times that, never mind other armies, the horror!
You could to go Tokyo 2020 with that level of gymnastics.
This has to be the most disingenuous argument I have ever seen you made in this forum. And that was a high bar to pass.
I don't think Death Cult Assassins are part of the deal though. They're not related to the Adepta Sororitas or the Ministorum in general (unlike, say, Archos).
Yes, it'd be nice to have them, but I think they're beyond the scope of this specific release.
I think we'd have to wait for a new Inquisitorial release, but given the current attitude at GW, that seems less than likely. =][= are now stuck in a not-as-extreme-but-still similar position to what the Genestealer Cults had before their reemergence.
I can see death cultists being rolled in with SoS in a later codex, actually. Tweak their background so they are mostly (minor) nulls and end up in death cults because they’re estranged from anyone remotely sane by their power, but they aren’t of the calibre that can be trained and focused to make a true Null Maiden so the Order of Silence sponsors the cults on the sly with training and equipment and in turn gets an off-the-books auxilia.
would be nice to get plastic death cultists, as much as I like my finecast models, it would be preferable to have them in plastic and not limited to 2 poses.
Hopefully the codex has a place for them or at least reserve them for an Inquisitor/witch hunters supplement or something.
Racerguy180 wrote: would be nice to get plastic death cultists, as much as I like my finecast models, it would be preferable to have them in plastic and not limited to 2 poses.
Hopefully the codex has a place for them or at least reserve them for an Inquisitor/witch hunters supplement or something.
Death Cultists have a special place in my heart. Lots of ways to make a knife/sword type unit, but it take a special bit of madness to decide they will be a cult of all-girl cyborg bondage ninjas in ripped gimp suits.
Mr_Rose wrote: I can see death cultists being rolled in with SoS in a later codex, actually. Tweak their background so they are mostly (minor) nulls and end up in death cults because they’re estranged from anyone remotely sane by their power, but they aren’t of the calibre that can be trained and focused to make a true Null Maiden so the Order of Silence sponsors the cults on the sly with training and equipment and in turn gets an off-the-books auxilia.
I don't see why SoS or Death Cultists would/should be rolled into SoBs.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Death Cultists have a special place in my heart. Lots of ways to make a knife/sword type unit, but it take a special bit of madness to decide they will be a cult of all-girl cyborg bondage ninjas in ripped gimp suits.
IIRC that's down to the models being based on two specific characters from the 54mm Inquisition game (Severina and Sevora).
It's a shame they've never been expanded on as a unit since death cultists could fill the roll of sniper, infiltrator, etc in a faction that lacks it.
Racerguy180 wrote: would be nice to get plastic death cultists, as much as I like my finecast models, it would be preferable to have them in plastic and not limited to 2 poses.
Hopefully the codex has a place for them or at least reserve them for an Inquisitor/witch hunters supplement or something.
They have a plastic Death Cultist in the Rogue Trader set already....
How so? Do you think it means their in the codex or that it's a sign of life for the Inquisition?
Two or three Battle Sister Bulletins back we saw one feature in the foreground of new artwork. It was speculated that because f that we might reasonably expect plastic Arco-Flagellants. Seeing the old models go reinforces that.
I'd have preferred to see new Deathcult Assassins myself, though. Not a good sign to see the old metals continue to be sold.
Its sightly odd as they already have a plastic Deathcult Asssassin in the Rogue Trader set. Seeing as they have done the giant Acro's I am assuming they will do the same for the small ones
My take is that the lone Death Cult Assassin and Crusader are used as incentives to buy their respective boxed sets and their existence is enough to make GW feel comfortable giving Death Cult Assassins and Crusaders rules/unit entries. Arco-Flagellants need a new plastic kit for that given the metal models are dropped (which we can assume is an expression of GW's desire to remove all non-plastic models from the Sisters range while they're giving them their update).
If you assume minimum effort on GW's part, it's the logical conclusion. And given Sisters' history, assuming that should come easy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think Death Cult Assassins are part of the deal though. They're not related to the Adepta Sororitas or the Ministorum in general (unlike, say, Archos).
GW seems to put them with the Ministorum these days. Death Cult Assassins were introduced as Inquisition assets but ever since the concept of keywords entered the game, in this case factions in 7th ed, Death Cult Assassins were a Ministorum unit. It's part of why the Imperial Agents codex put the Inquisition in an even sorrier state that they've been in.
No guarantees, of course, but for now I have no reason to believe Death Cult Assassins (and Crusaders) won't be in the Sisters codex.
I think it’s okay, actually. With how monopose the full kits will be when they come anyway, this at least means there’ll be 2 different looking units before you have to start to worry about repetition.
ImAGeek wrote: I think it’s okay, actually. With how monopose the full kits will be when they come anyway, this at least means there’ll be 2 different looking units before you have to start to worry about repetition.
I was already sure that the contents were quick-build mono-pose on a combined sprue, so this doesn't surprise me. The real concern was always how likely the box set will sell out on the first day of preordering.
This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.
Crimson wrote: This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.
I suspect they will given the codex included will showcase the entire range.
Crimson wrote: This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.
I suspect they will given the codex included will showcase the entire range.
Prior to the latest Marine codex that would have been par for the course. Yet with that book, for the first time in forever, GW was comfortable showing off new kits that are still not released.
I wouldn't take the presence of the codex in that box as a sign that any full kits are released with a short time of the boxed set. Possible, but no longer certainty.
Crimson wrote: This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.
Yes, I cross-converted Dark Imperium Intercessors with regular ones and ETB ones without much issue. Extra poses/limbs makes for greater variety.
if its a limited quantity box it will probably sell out within seconds and many will be pissed off.
interested in picking one up depending on price, but probably will be among the ones missing out on it
I apologize if this has been already discussed, but is there any idea on the price point of this box?
I remember that the Warhammer Community Survey had a grand prize and 10 additional ones to lucky hobbyists and they should be Adepta Sororitas models.
From the Terms and Conditions of said lottery:
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
I hope that the box won't have a RRP of £250 because, even accounting for the limited edition Codex, it would be incredibly expensive. Using GW exchange rates, that would be €325 and US$418,75.
Aenar wrote: I apologize if this has been already discussed, but is there any idea on the price point of this box?
I remember that the Warhammer Community Survey had a grand prize and 10 additional ones to lucky hobbyists and they should be Adepta Sororitas models.
From the Terms and Conditions of said lottery:
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
I hope that the box won't have a RRP of £250 because, even accounting for the limited edition Codex, it would be incredibly expensive. Using GW exchange rates, that would be €325 and US$418,75.
Discount boxes can be 'worth' a certain amount, but retail for lower.
Not the best picture but I think the Seraphim look horrible on those particular flight stands.
Aenar wrote: I apologize if this has been already discussed, but is there any idea on the price point of this box?
I remember that the Warhammer Community Survey had a grand prize and 10 additional ones to lucky hobbyists and they should be Adepta Sororitas models.
From the Terms and Conditions of said lottery:
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
I hope that the box won't have a RRP of £250 because, even accounting for the limited edition Codex, it would be incredibly expensive. Using GW exchange rates, that would be €325 and US$418,75.
Well, this is what GW had to say about the box when they revealed it:
It’s our pleasure to unveil this glorious army set today – a monument to the unwavering devotion of our community and to a new era for one of the most beloved armies in Warhammer 40,000.
... this one is dedicated to you die-hard Sisters of Battle fans as a reward for your unwavering faith.
This price certainly seems monumental and is the exact kind of reward that I'd expect from GW.
Whatever the price does turn out to be, I hope GW have got plenty of stock ready. It would be a real shame if anyone who's not able to place an order in the first five minutes misses there chance.
That said I think these mono build sprues would be a good candidate for a SoB start collecting box in the future.
Aenar wrote: I apologize if this has been already discussed, but is there any idea on the price point of this box?
I remember that the Warhammer Community Survey had a grand prize and 10 additional ones to lucky hobbyists and they should be Adepta Sororitas models.
From the Terms and Conditions of said lottery:
12) The prizes will be an army of new Adepta Sororitas plastic miniatures. The prizes would include a grand prize worth £250 and 10 prizes worth £35 (grand prize ca. AUD 468 and 10 prizes at AUD 65). The prize value of the 11 prizes are: GBP £600 (ca. AUD 1127) and they will be dispatched to the customer at the time of their worldwide release later this year. The currency and exact value of each prize will vary depending on the countries of residence of the winners.
I hope that the box won't have a RRP of £250 because, even accounting for the limited edition Codex, it would be incredibly expensive. Using GW exchange rates, that would be €325 and US$418,75.
Discount boxes can be 'worth' a certain amount, but retail for lower.
I hope so, because the £35 price of the boxes of 10 SoB seems in line with their retail prices.
Geifer wrote: Hopefully GW reacts to this and gives us good pictures, like a nice group shot of all the models. Or a non-blurry picture of the Mistress.
Crimson wrote: This is what I expected and it is fine. I just hope the full kits are released in conjunction or soon after with this (and not like with Shadowspear where we are still waiting for some.) Monopose kits are more fun if you at the same time have the extra bits from the full kits to spruce them up with.
I suspect they will given the codex included will showcase the entire range.
Prior to the latest Marine codex that would have been par for the course. Yet with that book, for the first time in forever, GW was comfortable showing off new kits that are still not released.
I wouldn't take the presence of the codex in that box as a sign that any full kits are released with a short time of the boxed set. Possible, but no longer certainty.
Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
Hopefully they release killteam rules at the same time because otherwise new players will have nothing else to do with the models until the full kits release.
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balmong7 wrote: God I hope there aren't a lot of sisters players in my town. I want this box and am terrified it will sell out everywhere.
tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)
A bunch of nicely posed updates in a box set for collectors or those starting an army is... well, not the sky falling as some of you seem to think. Seems like a nice bunch of models if you want them.
To put it in context, the Daemonkin and Vanguard Marine "books" that came with Shadowspear were 24 pages each and extremely light on fluff.
80 pages sounds about right for something like this.
Just to add to this, the Harlequins Codex is 80 pages, so it fits into the standard Codex range, even if it's a bit smaller than usual. I do expect this to be the actual codex though based on what they've said elsewhere
ERJAK wrote: Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
It's almost as if they didn't think anyone actually played the game, just bought the cool models.
I so want to buy this box. I'm going to add the 3 arcoflagellants to the models I already own, meaning I'll be able to field a full unit of 3 arcoflagellants, and same with Repentias, so a 4 repentia unit! And a horde of 1 penitent engine ^^.
I'm going to love having a real codex, though, and strats cards! But 80 stratagems seems a lot. Will it be 80 for strats + special objectives and other stuff?
tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)
Thats... a ridiculous way to look at it. There may not be a ton of people playing Sisters at the moment, but thats hardly surprising for an army that hasn't had a proper release in over 15 years and has never been well supported anyway. what I think does exist is a large number of players who either previously played Sisters and are eager to come back or always wanted to but never did because the army was extremely poorly supported. there were hardly any Genestealer Cult players after 20 years of being ignored, but that didn't stop both new and old players picking up the army once it was available. From what I understand its now pretty popular.
I'm one of those players. I stopped playing 40K 10 years ago, and I'm only coming back because of Sisters. I know 5 other players locally who are excited to come back for the same reasons (and keep in mind, I have no contact with the local 40k community at all, so these are just 5 random gamers I know who are excited for this release). For over a decade the comments surrounding Sisters has been "I'll come back when they get a proper release" or "I'll start collecting them when they're in plastic". Your assertion that no one is going to be interested in sisters is ridiculous.
Also the new SM codex and Psychic Awakening reveals gives me hope there will be rules for making your own Order, so the Order of the Ebony Lance will live as itself rather than as a count-as major order \o/.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Also the new SM codex and Psychic Awakening reveals gives me hope there will be rules for making your own Order, so the Order of the Ebony Lance will live as itself rather than as a count-as major order \o/.
tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)
Thats... a ridiculous way to look at it. There may not be a ton of people playing Sisters at the moment, but thats hardly surprising for an army that hasn't had a proper release in over 15 years and has never been well supported anyway. what I think does exist is a large number of players who either previously played Sisters and are eager to come back or always wanted to but never did because the army was extremely poorly supported. there were hardly any Genestealer Cult players after 20 years of being ignored, but that didn't stop both new and old players picking up the army once it was available. From what I understand its now pretty popular.
I'm one of those players. I stopped playing 40K 10 years ago, and I'm only coming back because of Sisters. I know 5 other players locally who are excited to come back for the same reasons (and keep in mind, I have no contact with the local 40k community at all, so these are just 5 random gamers I know who are excited for this release). For over a decade the comments surrounding Sisters has been "I'll come back when they get a proper release" or "I'll start collecting them when they're in plastic". Your assertion that no one is going to be interested in sisters is ridiculous.
That's a ridiculous way to look at it. YOU asserted no one would be interested. I didn't say that at ALL.
I said there are very few people who PLAY sisters.
He specifically said 'Sisters Players' not 'people who maybe wanna sorta start a sisters army if they can find the money oh but it's mary's wedding that saturday so I guess I'll pick it up sunday, oh wait it's timmy's soccer game that day, yunno what I don't need a new army'.
The people who actually play the army are few and far between. The people who will pick up the box set is a larger, totally speculative number.
If you're saying 'I hope there aren't a lot of sisters players in my area' the answer is 'Duh, there's like 200 sisters players on the planet.' If you're saying 'I hope there aren't a whole lot of people in my area that intend to buy the box set.' That number is so impossible to forecast that even attempting to is ridiculous.
Also, your life story is not evidence, it's anecdote.
I'm just curious of the models in the box set are unique to that box or if those exact models will be sold separately later.
Are you asking if this particular sprue build of the models is going to be limited to the box set?
Dunno, I doubt it though. Plastic molds are expensive. They'll likely either include the sprues in another discount box or come out with 'easy build' type discounted boxes lime the repulsor had.
Are you asking if this box set is the only way to ever get plastic battle sisters?
I meant if this box is the only way to get these models specifically, since they are on mixed sprues. Maybe they'll roll them into a start collecting later. But I know I wouldn't be able to get this box till december and it might be sold out by then.
Thargrim wrote: I meant if this box is the only way to get these models specifically, since they are on mixed sprues. Maybe they'll roll them into a start collecting later. But I know I wouldn't be able to get this box till december and it might be sold out by then.
Shadowspear sprues seemed to have vanished completely.
That's what I was afraid of, I like these sculpts and don't want to miss out on them. Instead of making them go away like Shadowspear i'd rather they got reboxed or put into a smaller start collecting with no codex. Seems like a lot of effort to develop these sprues and then stop producing them so quickly.
There's a good chance that the Shadowspear sprues will come back in the future though, possibly as part of Chaos involvement in a PA book, so never say never. Not much consolation for those who don't want to wait but are unable to get the box of course, but I doubt they'll disappear forever.
ERJAK wrote: Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.
ERJAK wrote: Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.
Isn't the new box set ltd edition - I certainly remember that GW MASSIVELy cocked up with the resin Cannoness release and loads of people (including me) had to wait much linger fior the pre-order to arrive. They even appologised and said how shocked they werre
Now if the box set is ltd AND the metals are not avaible?
ERJAK wrote: Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.
I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.
The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible. It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.
You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!
Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.
Are they a digital download only? Or made of taffy and therefore edible/perishable? If you're referring to monopose kits, they're still real btw even if they don't necessarily suit your fancy. I too prefer in most cases fully poseable kits but it doesn't mean that more cinematic monopose ones should automatically get downgraded to imaginary status.
I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.
The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible.
Assuming that the points are staying the same is a bit of a stretch. Repentia don't come in units of 4 right now after all.
It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.
You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!
Do you actually know how to introduce new players to the game? Because I can tell you right now, 10 Intercessors wouldn't make an appearance nor would their Chapter rules or anything like that.
Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.
He ain't wrong though. It's a detachment in a box, and depending upon the point values it is a good box to compare to, say, the way most people who actually know what the hell they're doing with teaching new players the game would do:
Red Corsair wrote: WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.
With the beta numbers as a guide, it looks to be a vanguard detachment of 450pts (basic gear) to 500pts (all meltas, etc).
Definitely casual. Min sized unarmoured assault units and no firepower to speak of - it'd be interesting to see the odds of a single buffed-up Iron Hands executioner wiping out the entire box in a single shooting phase.
But it's not a bad box set as a starter/paint project. I just hope the price isn't extortionate, and that the codex has been dragged out of 3rd edition along with the models.
A.T. wrote: Definitely casual. Min sized unarmoured assault units and no firepower to speak of - it'd be interesting to see the odds of a single buffed-up Iron Hands executioner wiping out the entire box in a single shooting phase.
If a single model that isn't a titan or anything can kill 24 infantry models, in 5 different units, with 2 of thow 24 infantry models being characters, and most of them having a 3+ save, AND a walker on top of it all, in a single shooting phase there is really a big problem with GW's rules!
Sisters of battle have never been an army for beginners...
If anything, there would be some of the Inquisition stuff to get you a few sisters on the table as attachments. Nice to see a few options out there, That boxed set looks like a Start playing box to just get a few models on the table for people to try the new rules, in the off chance that they work for the game.
Death Cult figures were part of the Inquisitor retinue, along with the Hospitaller, the champion, the Veteran Guardsman, the Servitor, the Idol holder, the mouthpiece, the psycher, etc.... There's not going to be a whole squad of them, when most of these sisters start out as Repenta.
Any word on pulling out and dusting off the Immolator, Land raider, and Special weapons/ troops and vehicles from back in the day?
FYI, that box is a "Get them on the table box"... Trust me, the rest of the stuff is right alongside it, and around the corner. THEN there's the Sisters of Silence Squads that they were inferring in the WD coming up...
My guess- Sisters are going to get some heavy and super heavy stuff, a dread sort of thing, and a Jump infantry option that is going to close the distance, along with their own sets of Drop pods, and "New and Improved" special sisters, on par with the Primeris Marines for the Ecclisiary.. (It works for the Space Marine's, it works even better to the Ecclesiary)
ERJAK wrote: Which leads to the problem...how TF are you gonna actually play the army? The metals will be gone by the time this comes out and you need at LEAST 3 box sets to field a (terrible) 1000pt army.
WTF are you on about? You can field whats in the box just fine, a patrol is also an option mate. It's the usual competitive filter your hung up on using as a lens. That set is a nice way for some new player with no idea or experience with the army to build quick and easy and get a few games in casually at lower point limits while they wait for the larger release.
I hate the idiotic 'well you can physically build any detachment so that's an army right duh-her-ka-der!' Thing.
The army you would build out of one box is less than 500pts and is ungodly terrible. It's not even suitable for casual games because you don't have a SINGLE weapon that shoots farther than 24" and you're entirely on foot.
You won't be able to actually play a game because literally 10 intercessors will kill the entire boxset before you get into rapid fire range on your bolters. What a great way to introduce a new player to the game!
Use your head, not your 'REEE COMPETITIVE!!!' reflex.
Maybe, just maybe they care more about providing a wide sample of dope looking new models then they care about some dude screeching about how badly his army might perform before ever reading a single rule.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: If a single model that isn't a titan or anything can kill 24 infantry models, in 5 different units, with 2 of thow 24 infantry models being characters, and most of them having a 3+ save, AND a walker on top of it all, in a single shooting phase there is really a big problem with GW's rules!
Well they are all T3 (currently), mostly single wound and seven with no armour saves.
Four S10 AP -5 shots doing 3-6 damage each should be sufficient for the penitent, leaving roughly 27 AP -2 and 15 AP 0 shots at 3+ to wound plus a couple of S7 missiles and mortal wound potshots. Reroll 1s plus any other buffs.
I guess the character targetting rules would mean that the canoness and mistress would walk away.
And I am sure a knight castellan would make short work of both sides of shadowspear at once. It's a silly way to judge the contents of a box of models. If the contents are not competitive enough for anyone they can simply not buy it and wait for the wider release.
tbf, there aren't a whole lot of sisters players full stop so... As far as I know there are only 3 in all of michigan for example.(U.S. State with 9millionish population.)
Thats... a ridiculous way to look at it. There may not be a ton of people playing Sisters at the moment, but thats hardly surprising for an army that hasn't had a proper release in over 15 years and has never been well supported anyway. what I think does exist is a large number of players who either previously played Sisters and are eager to come back or always wanted to but never did because the army was extremely poorly supported. there were hardly any Genestealer Cult players after 20 years of being ignored, but that didn't stop both new and old players picking up the army once it was available. From what I understand its now pretty popular.
I'm one of those players. I stopped playing 40K 10 years ago, and I'm only coming back because of Sisters. I know 5 other players locally who are excited to come back for the same reasons (and keep in mind, I have no contact with the local 40k community at all, so these are just 5 random gamers I know who are excited for this release). For over a decade the comments surrounding Sisters has been "I'll come back when they get a proper release" or "I'll start collecting them when they're in plastic". Your assertion that no one is going to be interested in sisters is ridiculous.
That's a ridiculous way to look at it. YOU asserted no one would be interested. I didn't say that at ALL.
You've said similar things before. For whatever reason you seem to enjoy spreading the idea that no one will be interested in buying new Sisters . I'm not sure why, but its become pretty obnoxious. You should knock it off.
A.T. wrote: Four S10 AP -5 shots doing 3-6 damage each should be sufficient for the penitent, leaving roughly 27 AP -2 and 15 AP 0 shots at 3+ to wound plus a couple of S7 missiles and mortal wound potshots. Reroll 1s plus any other buffs.
This is an absolutely indecent amount of firepowerr for a single model and GW should feel bad about it!
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: This is an absolutely indecent amount of firepowerr for a single model and GW should feel bad about it!
8th edition is just a continuation of GWs shift towards apocalypse 40k. It'll be interesting to see what GW does with the sisters to bring them along as the beta gave no indication.
You don't own any Repentia? Are their rules really that bad right now?
warboss wrote: Are they a digital download only? Or made of taffy and therefore edible/perishable? If you're referring to monopose kits, they're still real btw even if they don't necessarily suit your fancy. I too prefer in most cases fully poseable kits but it doesn't mean that more cinematic monopose ones should automatically get downgraded to imaginary status.
Don't be so needlessly obtuse. You know exactly what I mean.
These aren't the kits that will be released in individual boxes (Canoness aside) when the Sisters get their full release. They're like the Eliminators and Chaos Marines from Shadowspear. Like the Plague Marines from Dark Imperium. They're not the real kits.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Don't be so needlessly obtuse. You know exactly what I mean.
These aren't the kits that will be released in individual boxes (Canoness aside) when the Sisters get their full release. They're like the Eliminators and Chaos Marines from Shadowspear. Like the Plague Marines from Dark Imperium. They're not the real kits.
And you knew that's what I meant.
I told you ages ago that this would be the case.
And what does it matter? You need more than this amount of models for a proper army anyway, so you can get the multipose kits in addition to these, which increases the variety.
Crimson wrote: I told you ages ago that this would be the case.
You didn't know. You suspected that they would be. I didn't think they would be. Turns out you were correct. I still don't see why they bothered making them in the first place.
I mean, they obviously have the full kits, so why not just put them in there?
It costs money to make new moulds, and if you're going to make the full kits why go to the expense of these other kits for something that isn't a starter-box? Do keep in mind that I'm not looking at just the Sisters box in this way; I think that Shadow Spear has the same issue. Why make a unique CSM squad when you've already gone to the trouble and expense of making a new full CSM kit?
It costs money to make new moulds, and if you're going to make the full kits why go to the expense of these other kits for something that isn't a starter-box? Do keep in mind that I'm not looking at just the Sisters box in this way; I think that Shadow Spear has the same issue. Why make a unique CSM squad when you've already gone to the trouble and expense of making a new full CSM kit?
Because they can sell you both, as he said. See also just about every 8th box set from Dark Millennium onwards. Not even any point refuting it as it’s how they do things.
JohnnyHell wrote: See also just about every 8th box set from Dark Millennium onwards. Not even any point refuting it as it’s how they do things.
This comment confuses me. Please elaborate.
Sure. GW’s current MO is to sell you the monopose box set as the only option to begin with, then release regular multipart kits some time later usually at a higher price. They quite often get to double dip people’s wallets as they buy the new shiny-shiny when the box comes out, then buy more when the multipart kits come out (to expand army or for posing variety).
JohnnyHell wrote: GW’s current MO is to sell you the monopose box set as the only option to begin with, then release regular multipart kits some time later usually at a higher price.
Is it though?
'Cause they've only released 2 (soon to be 3) monopose boxes this edition - the starter-box, which is always like that (and, before Irbis comes in to "Well ackshually!" the thread, the spin-off simpler starter-kits), and then Shadow Spear.
Have there been other fully-mono-pose kits that I'm missing?
H.B.M.C. wrote: You don't own any Repentia? Are their rules really that bad right now?
I don't own any not for rule reason but because I just don't like the current models.
But yeah the rules never struck me as good. They have always been very fragile, and used to hit last. Sure, they hit strong... but will they ever get the chance to?
Always thought they would work better as a cheap throw-away unit than as one with power fist on every model, especially given the lore.
I also don't own no arcoflagellants, no penitent engine, no official crusaders, no official death cultist, no official priest.
I did find some very nice count-as DCA and crusaders though. Warmachine's Daughter of the Flame make for DCA that looks way more at home in a Sisters army than the official DCA, they have the same cloth tabard over armor, they have nice hoods, they have big pauldrons, they look religious...
Yeah, Repentia worked in 3rd ed when their 4+ steel bra meant something and the game favored close combat. They just got worse with every iteration of their rules after that until I didn't bother reading them anymore.
Frankly I can't imagine how the unit is supposed to work in 8th ed.
Geifer wrote: Yeah, Repentia worked in 3rd ed when their 4+ steel bra meant something and the game favored close combat. They just got worse with every iteration of their rules after that until I didn't bother reading them anymore.
3e repentia were 20 points a model for 1 base attack and randomly activating forced movement. 4+ armour, no inv/fnp, no transports. They were dead the second you came within range of a heavy bolter and good luck stopping them from running out of cover.
The 5e WD repentia under 6e rules were 4 attacks on the charge, fleet, FnP and 6++, and strike on death for 17 points. Could steal transports.
6e dropped the repentia all the way down to 14 points and change their faith to be an FnP booster. Could take transports.
And 8e handed them the gimp-eviscerators. Up until order traits they were actually outdamaged by death cultists with power knives against light vehicles like rhinos.
Of course 8e also lets them attack if they do actually get across the table. The fragility of past editions was one thing but IIRC after overwatch came in a firewarrior squad would beat them in close combat by simply shooting their points worth of repentia off the board on the charge. The could do with some of that 3e mad rush speed back now.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: If a single model that isn't a titan or anything can kill 24 infantry models, in 5 different units, with 2 of thow 24 infantry models being characters, and most of them having a 3+ save, AND a walker on top of it all, in a single shooting phase there is really a big problem with GW's rules!
Well they are all T3 (currently), mostly single wound and seven with no armour saves.
Four S10 AP -5 shots doing 3-6 damage each should be sufficient for the penitent, leaving roughly 27 AP -2 and 15 AP 0 shots at 3+ to wound plus a couple of S7 missiles and mortal wound potshots. Reroll 1s plus any other buffs.
I guess the character targetting rules would mean that the canoness and mistress would walk away.
Yaknow, I'm looking at the executioner, and I'm having a real hard time seeing where does all that firepower come from.
I mean, assuming laser destroyer, its 2 S9AP-4 shots, not 4 S10AP-5 shots. Using the current engine statline-that will NOT take it down, that will not even take half of it down. (hits on 3s, wounds on 3s with just 2 shots-that's 0.88 wounds, dealing 3.555 damage, and only 2.37 wounds on average will get through it's FnP)
If it stays still to shoot twice (meaning it had clear line of sight, was not engaged, etc.) it will still only deal about 4.74 wounds on average, of the engine's 7. not taking it out in a volley.
Not a single one of his weapons is AP-2, it DOES feature about that many AP-1 shots though. so hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s. (simplifying the rocket pod that hits on 4s and wounds on 3s) so you get 12 wounds, half gets blocked by armor so its 6 dead sisters.
For the AP0 shots, 2d6+4 (because like hell you are in rapid bolter range without moving) so lets say 11 shots. again hitting on 3s wounding on 3s, its 4.88 wounds. enough to remove either the repentia of the flags, but not both, and would hardly harm actual sisters if pointed at them (taking down 1.6 actually armored sisters)
Not QUITE taking them down in a single shooting round. two shooting rounds are also not going to finish them off. (it will be enough to clear the engine, the repentia/flags and about 16 of the armored sisters, leaving about 3 more sisters, and the two chars)
And all this is generously assuming he has clear lines of sight, sisters not in any cover, it's in perfect range for every gun to actually target it's desired target (including it's 18" guns), the tank doesn't get bracketed, or even assaulted after it's first shooting-and above all, that the sisters models get NO UPDATE AT ALL that might improve their durability, speed, range, or whatever,
Considering they are a bad matchup (infantry and a dread against something that chews infantry and dreads) and the tank is great to begin with-i'd say enduring for over 2 turns and possibly dishing some damage in return under the most unfavorable of circumstances is not that bad.
I mean, this "army" is obviously far from optimized as it's a mishmash of units. plus its just about 450 points worth of models anyways (current pricing, and with unknown gear). Its a starter, not a tournament list.
I actually want the sheraps quite bad, and I'm not even an IoM player.
BoomWolf wrote: Yaknow, I'm looking at the executioner, and I'm having a real hard time seeing where does all that firepower come from.
I was thinking with the forge master and lieutenant buff, but also probably mixing it and the dreads up with doctrines.
My comment on whether or not a buffed executioner would wipe out the box was just idle speculation after watching the new Iron Hands in action (or rather inaction, crawling 5" a round as they did)
So, you pack and exe, with a nearby forgemaster and lieutenant, pile up doctrines and such (putting aside they are now FAR more expensive than the sisters)-and compare it to the poor sisters without using ANY of their special rules, let alone the new upcoming ones?
Doesn't seem like quite a fair assessment of the value of this kit?
BoomWolf wrote: Doesn't seem like quite a fair assessment of the value of this kit?
Who said anything about the value of the kit? I said 'it'd be interesting to see the odds of a single buffed-up Iron Hands executioner wiping out the entire box in a single shooting phase' - having just prior to the post been watching the new Iron Hands in action for the first time since the marine update and the five minutes it took to fire it's dozen weapons off.
Arcos looks fairly appropriately silly and horrifying. I think they are decent. I still have an unopened box of metal ones, somewhere.
I love the "sidearm" book on the "Mistress." I converted my old Sister Superiors to all be holding books (I think BoSL was wargear back then), so I already love a good book theme.
I still have my old metal Penitent Engines, so I can likely salvage the old pilots to replace the new, if I really feel the need.
Is it just me, or do these Repentia looks "better" than what we saw in the preview? Or is it just a small picture and a different angle?
A.T. wrote: The further away you get, the better they look :p
Well, good thing I am getting old and will likely need to hold them well away to see them soon! Of course, I do have some of the old metals, so I can mix them in and dilute the look as needed, depending on how the scales look together.
Might be my old eyes, but looks like there is no melta lady in the Sister squad, just a flamer and a Stormbolder. Not sure what that "means" though...
"You may also have noticed that over the course of the series, we’ve hinted at loads of other models that aren’t in this set. That’s because this is actually only the (mind-blowingly awesome) vanguard of an expanded Adepta Sororitas range yet to come."
It appears that this says there will be some new options/models not just replacements
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A.T. wrote: Wonder if they've move the arcos profile a little further from the other elite cc units. They've been squashed together ever since the 5e GK dex.
Ive had 5 arcos with a priest almost take down a knight with the stratagem, they are really nasty, but too fragile
Sisters need an act or something to help negate overwatch or something to get these CC options to pay dividends, you can't always ram a tank into somethings face first
H wrote: Is it just me, or do these Repentia looks "better" than what we saw in the preview? Or is it just a small picture and a different angle?
The further away you get, the better they look :p
It looks like the box is all monopose, and the earlier ones may be from the squad box
Grundz wrote: It looks like the box is all monopose, and the earlier ones may be from the squad box
Ah, yes, yes, that makes perfect sense.
I think this box might be in parts, a way to deliver on their "promise" to have something out this year (that is, deliver some "good will"), a way to gauge the interest level (in actual sales) of the faction, and a way to simply just generate some more immediate ROIC on the (conceptual/design) work that has been put in already.
Looking at the pic, the sprue breakdown seems to be
2x sprue of
1 repentia, 3 sisters, 2 seraphim, 1 arcoflagellant
1x sprue of
2 repentia, 2 sisters with special weapons, sister superior, imaginifier, seraphim superior, female arcoflagellant. Maybe the mistress or repenitance.
Canoness is single sprue clampack fig.
Engine is probably on its own sprue, but may be an stripped down version like the contemptor or etb redemptor dread
Grundz wrote: "You may also have noticed that over the course of the series, we’ve hinted at loads of other models that aren’t in this set. That’s because this is actually only the (mind-blowingly awesome) vanguard of an expanded Adepta Sororitas range yet to come."
It appears that this says there will be some new options/models not just replacements
No, its admitting something that has been coming into focus lately: that this 'November release' is just for this box, and the real army release is actually next year at some point.
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The arcoflagellants are very strange models. The bodies look ok (for surgically altered people) but the weapon limbs are probably the least threatening things I've seen in the entire 40k universe. A grot with knife looks more threatening.
The sisters models are... interesting. Superior, imagifier, storm bolter, flamer and 3 pairs of models with head swaps (helmed and not)
The seraphim are kinda ruined by the flying stands.
The Repentia Superior is a nice model, but the bigger base annoys me.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Looking at the pic, the sprue breakdown seems to be
2x sprue of
1 repentia, 3 sisters, 2 seraphim, 1 arcoflagellant
1x sprue of
2 repentia, 2 sisters with special weapons, sister superior, imaginifier, seraphim superior, female arcoflagellant. Maybe the mistress or repenitance.
Canoness is single sprue clampack fig.
Engine is probably on its own sprue, but may be an stripped down version like the contemptor or etb redemptor dread
Was halfway through reaching the same conclusion when I figured I should have a look if somebody else had already worked it out. Thanks! It's a shame about the repeated arcoflagellant, that one really sticks out. Hope it won't be long until they preview the full set of those - with some luck it will at least have some amount of poseability and interchangeable parts to allow for decent variation. The older figures may have been creepier, but with these being more human they do appear more horrific. I guess if the repentia had been closer to what some imagined, they would have been too similar to the new-design arcos.
Hmm. Wonder if we might in fact have seen the more complete arcoflagellant preview if the box contents hadn't been leaked earlier, prompting GW to give the full reveal.
Sisters look great but all those Repentia are so bad.. I dont understand what has happened with GW and combat poses, you dont lean/run forward with 1 foot on the ground while wielding a massive heavy weapon. Its like theyre nerf weapons that weigh 2 pounds.
Repentia Superior... Mistress sounds too kinky these days, I guess.
It's a great model, though, and will make for a great Canoness. I mean, why wait for the whip to break? It's inevitable. May as well get it over with from the start.
Lord Damocles wrote: If the female arco had an eviscerator, she'd make a passable Repentia.
Yeah, she looks more like a Repentia than the actual Repentia ever will.
TalonZahn wrote: And what's the ballpark cost of this SUPER LIMITED BOXED RELEASE!!!!
Unknown. The limited edition codex (and a codex at all) throws off the regular boxed set prices.
Limited edition books are $80 rather than $40 for an alternate cover. Another $15 for the datacards. I'm going to wash dice and the rules booklet, unless of course they're Specialty Sisters Dice (in which case add $15-$25).
Shadow spear was $175, but had 35 models rather than 25. Wrath and Rapture was $160, but 38 models (though most were old models).
Given its 10 less models than shadowspear, but also all new models like Shadowspear (rather than a mix like W&R), plus the book and datacards... I'd guess somewhere around $200-$225. $220-240 if specialty dice.
TalonZahn wrote: And what's the ballpark cost of this SUPER LIMITED BOXED RELEASE!!!!
I thought it was LTD and now its Exclusive - need to know what exactly it is!
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Nova article didn't actually ever say that.
Spikeybits said that the article stated that, and it got repeated until it was assumed that it did. I was wrong, and Geifer was 100% right! GWdid describe it as a "limited edition".
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Nova article didn't actually ever say that.
Spikeybits said that the article stated that, and it got repeated until it was assumed that it did.
Yeah. It did say that. I don't read Spikeybits and I got my information straight from that article. I talked about it back then. Others talked about it back then. In this very thread. And unlike the editid article, people referencing the exact phrasing, in quotes, from that article still exists in this thread.
My only regret is that I didn't outright put the entire paragraph in quotes back then to preserve for posterity. And you.
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
The Nova article didn't actually ever say that.
Spikeybits said that the article stated that, and it got repeated until it was assumed that it did.
Yeah. It did say that. I don't read Spikeybits and I got my information straight from that article. I talked about it back then. Others talked about it back then. In this very thread. And unlike the editid article, people referencing the exact phrasing, in quotes, from that article still exists in this thread.
My only regret is that I didn't outright put the entire paragraph in quotes back then to preserve for posterity. And you.
You're 100% right. My apologies, I must never have really thought much of the text.
I went through and found that I had even posted the damn article text though!
The article stated:
After waiting for so long, you all deserved something very special, and that’s what this Sisters of Battle Army Set delivers. This packed box kicks off your Adepta Sororitas force in style. Including a swathe of stunning new plastic models and a limited edition codex, this one is dedicated to you die-hard Sisters of Battle fans as a reward for your unwavering faith.
With that in mind, it makes me wonder if maybe the reasoning is because of this?
From today:
Whether you want to start a new Sisters of Battle collection, expand an existing force with the new range of plastic miniatures, or even dip your toes into the (grim, dark and futuristic) waters of Warhammer 40,000 for the first time, the Sisters of Battle Army Set has you totally covered. And no, it’s not an abridged codex – it’s the fully updated new edition of Codex: Adepta Sororitas, with special cover art exclusive to this set!
I've never used that style flight stand before - I've only used the even older ones. What's wrong with them?
Unlike the peg or ball and socket flying stands, this one is curved,and requires glue to attach. And the attachment surface is small and curved, making it hard to magnetize, plus if magnetized, the model will tend to lean forwsrds.
TalonZahn wrote: And what's the ballpark cost of this SUPER LIMITED BOXED RELEASE!!!!
I thought it was LTD and now its Exclusive - need to know what exactly it is!
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm puzzled by whatever distinction you guys are trying to make. Aren't all of GW 'limited edition' codexes just basically alternate covers? The current AoS battletomes are described this way:
This is a beautifully presented edition of Battletome: Orruk Warclans, featuring a soft-touch cover with foil block, gilt page edges and ribbon marker. Each copy is uniquely numbered, and the edition is limited to 660 copies.
The gilt is trivial and the marker more an annoyance than anything else. What more were you expecting?
Kanluwen wrote: You're 100% right. My apologies, I must never have really thought much of the text.
I went through and found that I had even posted the damn article text though!
No worries. Big plus, at least you had the foresight to quote it at the time.
And yeah, like I said I think the information in the latest article about the codex is the correct one. Especially when they went back and edited the original reveal article. They probably don't want conflicting information out there and figure it's smoother to do that than post a correction and remind people of what they originally said.
Grundz wrote: It looks like the box is all monopose, and the earlier ones may be from the squad box
Ah, yes, yes, that makes perfect sense.
I think this box might be in parts, a way to deliver on their "promise" to have something out this year (that is, deliver some "good will"), a way to gauge the interest level (in actual sales) of the faction, and a way to simply just generate some more immediate ROIC on the (conceptual/design) work that has been put in already.
If true any result from this release would be seen like year or two from now...
TalonZahn wrote: And what's the ballpark cost of this SUPER LIMITED BOXED RELEASE!!!!
I thought it was LTD and now its Exclusive - need to know what exactly it is!
Well, you should think it's limited edition because that's how the NOVA preview article described it originally. But checking the article now, that phrase is mysteriously absent.
So now that GW successfully rewrote history we have exactly one official statement from GW left and as per the latest article it's the full codex with exclusive cover art. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm puzzled by whatever distinction you guys are trying to make. Aren't all of GW 'limited edition' codexes just basically alternate covers? The current AoS battletomes are described this way:
This is a beautifully presented edition of Battletome: Orruk Warclans, featuring a soft-touch cover with foil block, gilt page edges and ribbon marker. Each copy is uniquely numbered, and the edition is limited to 660 copies.
The gilt is trivial and the marker more an annoyance than anything else. What more were you expecting?
I'm not following this limited nonsense too closely, but some codices get two different versions of limited editions. One just the book with a fancy cover and gilt, the other with extra markers, card packs and such stuff that's actually separate from the book.
I don't really care either way but given that the former is stupidly priced and the price of the latter is just beyond stupid, it's a point of interest to note that the codex isn't just a codex but a limited edition codex, because you can be sure that will inflate the price of the box. Or at least it's reasonable to worry about it. Prior to today's article we didn't have any indication of the bells and whistles in the boxed set and going off of the description of the codex was the best thing we had.
With this article at our disposal, yeah, you're right. It's pretty much a moot point. Dice are listed as a separate item, cards are there, we've got the full list of items included in the box to speculate how ridiculous GW is going to price this one.
Edit: Oh, one extra thing. People are worried about how many copies of this box GW has made and if it will be available for a while or sell through quickly. You can be sure that the inclusion of a box exclusive codex is far more preferable than a limited edition in that regard.
H wrote: I think this box might be in parts, a way to deliver on their "promise" to have something out this year (that is, deliver some "good will"), a way to gauge the interest level (in actual sales) of the faction, and a way to simply just generate some more immediate ROIC on the (conceptual/design) work that has been put in already.
If true any result from this release would be seen like year or two from now...
I'm not quite sure about that. Sales data is pretty immediate. The ROIC is delayed, but I don't think GW has a solvency problem, rather, it's about quarterly/yearly results to show on stock dividends or whatever they call those things. In other words, they are just wanting to make the books look a bit more "balanced." And the first, well, we can't quantize the "optics" really, at least, not realistically. But getting something out this year, a "starter" of sorts, does mean there likely is less "perceived" pressure on their part to rush the rest out, to quite those likely very few who still were saying, "well, I'll believe in them when I see them."
In fact, to that end, I think GW would be extra bad if they jack up the price on this. THey should treat it more as a sort of Start Collecting thing, rather than a deluxe box. The more people by this box and more of these boxes, the direct proportional later sales of the additional Sisters product will almost assuredly be markedly higher. But I am not in marketing or accounting, or part of their corporate strategy group, so what do I know?
Geifer wrote: Repentia Superior... Mistress sounds too kinky these days, I guess.
It's a great model, though, and will make for a great Canoness. I mean, why wait for the whip to break? It's inevitable. May as well get it over with from the start.
Lord Damocles wrote: If the female arco had an eviscerator, she'd make a passable Repentia.
Yeah, she looks more like a Repentia than the actual Repentia ever will.
That whip is ridiculous.
Maybe magnetize the whip at the base and pack it separately,
or drill the hand a make a new one of wire,
or pray for an alternate loadout... power mace perhaps?
EDIT:
The thing to do seems to be to cut the arm at the base and magnetise to the shoulder.
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LunarSol wrote: Price dependent on this one. I'll likely buy it and not get around to it for a year or so when I see how to incorporate it in my inquisition stuff.
I love that the box even include the core rulebook (because of course I didn't buy it yet, with the index and crappy betadex ^^)! I'm so buying this box!
Man, I remember buying the original Tau army box from 3rd ed, and how much stuff you got there for the brand-new army vs this...teaser trailer of a box.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I love that the box even include the core rulebook (because of course I didn't buy it yet, with the index and crappy betadex ^^)!
I'm so buying this box!
I've never used that style flight stand before - I've only used the even older ones. What's wrong with them?
Unlike the peg or ball and socket flying stands, this one is curved,and requires glue to attach. And the attachment surface is small and curved, making it hard to magnetize, plus if magnetized, the model will tend to lean forwsrds.
it's also stupidly fragile. which will make transporting it difficult.
I like the Flagellants. The Repentia remain...underwhelming. The rest is appealing.
Whether I buy the box or not, however, depends entirely on the price. I likely won't even be playing 8th with the army and have no interest in post-Gathering Storm fluff, so the codex is basically worthless to me personally, and I have a suspicion that even beyond that they'll be doing a "premium" price on this to discourage Start Collecting Syndrome where folk buy multiples of the affordable box and a lot less of the individual unit boxes.
Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
I'm not too worried about the Seraphim. My suppressors(primaris) dont use the stupid flight stands. clear rod into drilled hole in foot.
I am a little concerned on how long until the individual boxes come out. Since it'll be unlikely to double up on the contents and "special" codex and I'm not a dick so 1 it is.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
I really hope they go this route with future army refreshes as well.
The simplified builds alone are a nice thing, IMO, for getting things going off the bat.
I've never used that style flight stand before - I've only used the even older ones. What's wrong with them?
Unlike the peg or ball and socket flying stands, this one is curved,and requires glue to attach. And the attachment surface is small and curved, making it hard to magnetize, plus if magnetized, the model will tend to lean forwsrds.
it's also stupidly fragile. which will make transporting it difficult.
It's highly worth mentioning that these kinds of models work out well with you attaching them to a piece of scenery or something of that nature. I did that with my Suppressors.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
Good spot. Different to what we've seen. The pilot is different as well (different place of arms, a... thing... on his chest), there's a ministorum symbol at the top which isn't on the other one we've seen.
So it seems one is this box, and one is the real kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Good spot. Different to what we've seen. The pilot is different as well (different place of arms, a... thing... on his chest)
Nothing screams "repent for your sins!" like being hooked up to a big warmachine that sends a direct current of electricity right to your nipples. I like the new penitent engine. I think it does a good job at capturing the aesthetic of the original model.
GaroRobe wrote: Yeah, I like how she's just floppy running. The two repeated bodies are the ones on the left
Spoiler:
Noooo, why does she have her helmet on her belt?
As irritating as that is, I'm more irritated by the long thin whip far above her head. She's going to need a special spot cut out in my case...
I bet you could easily cut the hand off at the wrist, and then drill a pin and just stick the whip hand in when playing/displaying and pull it out when transporting.
ERJAK wrote: It has all the rules you need to play plus the Adepta Sororitas Codex.
It just doesn't have the entire big rule book in it.
Do you mean that it includes all the rules, but none of the lore/art/whatever? Or that it is missing stuff like rules for scenario and similar, which aren't strictly required to play?
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, everySC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...
Chikout wrote: Anyone noticed this? Different version of the engine.
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Why do I get the feeling that the artist who sculpted that was a fan of Tranzor Z / Mazinger?
I was thinking Madonna, during the 'cone' period.
Also true. It's be cool if you could add on missiles to account for the mechaboobs on a male pentitent pilot for full Tranzor action but I don't know if the unit rules support that.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, everySC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
Worth mentioning that the book in Blood of the Phoenix is no different than what Shadowspear, Dark Imperium, Forgebane, etc have come with. It's supposed to be a small paperback with the fluff of the 'campaign' in the box plus rules for the items in the box.
I've never used that style flight stand before - I've only used the even older ones. What's wrong with them?
Unlike the peg or ball and socket flying stands, this one is curved,and requires glue to attach. And the attachment surface is small and curved, making it hard to magnetize, plus if magnetized, the model will tend to lean forwsrds.
it's also stupidly fragile. which will make transporting it difficult.
Yeah. Given how god-awful GW's previous entries into flying bases have been, I've been shocked by how much of a step back this is from the "Ball-and-Socket, but we didn't give you an interference fit so you have to glue/magnet it lololol) design.
I'd even take the old "Tiny stick with the break point designed right in there at the tip so you always always always lose the little bit of plastic in your model when, not if, it breaks" original design over these pieces of horsegak.
what's saddening is, with the redesign, they made a new large-scale model flying base (It's on the Idoneth Turtle, I don't know what else) and it is the single best flying stand GW has ever done. HUGE base for gluing down. Thick, sturdy stand. Big, interference fit ball joint on the end. It's amazing. a simply scaled-down version of that would have been amazing.
John D Law wrote: I wish I could read somthing into them showing an old inquisitor model for the first time in a decade. Ahh one can dream I guess
It did seem a suspiciously prominent reference; I wonder whether they’re testing the water to see if people would be interested in a resurrection of that too?
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
Worth mentioning that the book in Blood of the Phoenix is no different than what Shadowspear, Dark Imperium, Forgebane, etc have come with. It's supposed to be a small paperback with the fluff of the 'campaign' in the box plus rules for the items in the box.
It’s similar, but this one appears maybe a little more in depth. I don’t think the others ones have been 40 pages. It could just be full of crap though, i’m just speculating.
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
Worth mentioning that the book in Blood of the Phoenix is no different than what Shadowspear, Dark Imperium, Forgebane, etc have come with. It's supposed to be a small paperback with the fluff of the 'campaign' in the box plus rules for the items in the box.
It’s similar, but this one appears maybe a little more in depth. I don’t think the others ones have been 40 pages. It could just be full of crap though, i’m just speculating.
Shadowspear was 24 pages for each of the three books.
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
Those mostly seem like minor problems?
- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.
- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.
- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
Rebuttal, Sisters always looked terrible on 25mms because the robe took up so much of the base that you couldn't hardly see it at all. Old space marines fit better on 25s than they did. Also, if you're playing old editions that's certainly fine, but expecting your use case to be a concern during new product development is unrealistic. The entire middle bit is essentially whining at ghosts as well.
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
Those mostly seem like minor problems?
- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.
- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.
- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?
Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, everySC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
My thinking here was that both boxes come with names characters. How many Haldors or Ahrimans do I need is the thought process.
ERJAK wrote: Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.
Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).
Anyway, we all know why they switched to 32mm...
25mm was the standard, but 28mm is creeping in as of Warcry.
As for a reason for 32, there didn't acually seem to be one, beyond GW knows how much people hate rebasing, and they felt like punishing players for something.
Looking at the picture of the box contents, most of those figures should actually be ok on a smaller base. Characters appear to be the main challenge, though you can add some overhanging scenics to the base if looking to make those fit, or simply use the larger bases for them to make them stand out more.
No easy solution to the size of the actual models however...
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
I play regularly with marines on 25mm bases and have no interest in rebasing them, so why does it matter?
They are elite troops and they make sense on 32's(at least to me).
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
Those mostly seem like minor problems?
And that makes them invalid how exactly?
- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.
He asked why someone might consider bigger bases lame, whether the number of people not using them in 8th is one or one hundred thousand makes no odds, for them it could be considered lame. And you would be horribly surprised to find how retentive "retro" gaming can be.
- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.
Just sticking one base atop another looks like arse, and surely you know that fine well. And "if you don't like it, don't" is entirely dependent on what someone's local community is like. For every store/club/group where people are happily using 2nd Ed metal Terminators on 25mm bases, there's one where anything less than strict adherence to the "proper" sizes will see you accused of cheating.
- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?
If it's a choice between dealing with them or not gaming at all? Which is a choice plenty of people face and one that's more common for "retro" stuff not less, since your player pool will be much smaller than extant editions of a game and people's fundamental nature as an opponent doesn't change just because they switched to an older system.
The "nobody's holding a gun to your head/starving children in Africa so eat up" defence is becoming annoyingly common on Dakka these days.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, everySC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
Well before they go to SC they will need to come into own kits. SC's don't contain unique to them kits. And come AFTER own boxes have come. They don't want to give discount boxes for new one.
phillv85 wrote: Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.
Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?
What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, everySC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...
I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.
Well before they go to SC they will need to come into own kits. SC's don't contain unique to them kits. And come AFTER own boxes have come. They don't want to give discount boxes for new one.
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Sentionaut wrote: So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?
Lame.
Why?
Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?
Take your pick man.
Personally, I find it lame because I liked that the 32mm base was reserved for things meant to be bigger than baseline human (Space Marines, Goliaths and the like), while the regular human sized people kept using the old ones. It makes for a cool diferentiation on the table, both visually and from a "control space" level.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
I know I'm really late to the party here, but I just looked at the pictures posted a few pages ago. Most notably this one:
Spoiler:
What really stood out to me was that if I hadn't been following the SoB news/leaks, I'd look at that picture and assume that the woman with 2 whips and 2 braziers on her back was the Canoness.
Hell, I've been following the leaks and I still wondered for a moment if I'd somehow missed a second Canoness model.
I suppose all I'm saying is that (to me at least) the Mistress of Repentance looks far more like a Canoness than the actual Canoness model.
She certainly looks far more like the army leader, given her more dynamic pose and eye-catching braziers.
phillv85 wrote: I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.
Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.
See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.
jake wrote: Not nearly as annoying as your apparent need to find completely ridiculous things to complain about.
That's not a counter-argument. That's just a personal insult.
Try harder.
I did try harder. I saw his list of problems with base size and presented constructive and reasonable responses He chose to ignore them and doubled down on complaining for the sake of complaining.
Its absolutely fine not to like larger bases for your models, but his specified complaints, and his dismissal of suggestions for addressing them, are ridiculous.
The 32mm thing is very annoying. The bases look empty on many models. The 28mm they came out with for Warcry would have been perfect.
Also, even though many of the sisters are standing smaller, creating a smaller foot print, these sisters overall look incredibly tall. I was so happy when primaris marines were actually taller than everything but the size of standard humans just keeps growing. When the Necromunda gangs came out and they towered over the genestealer cultists and skitarii, I was like "hopefully that's just for a side game" but nope.
ERJAK wrote: Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.
Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).
And those people can go play by themselves
The last time I was at a tourney my first opponent tried this (complaining about non factors), I forfeited and went to hang out with my buddies, he suddenly changed his tune when he found out he wasn't going to get eighty billion tourney points for the forfeit and then packed up and left when he couldn't possibly win the tourney because of it, I think he came back for day 2.
ERJAK wrote: Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.
Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).
And those people can go play by themselves
The last time I was at a tourney my first opponent tried this (complaining about non factors), I forfeited and went to hang out with my buddies, he suddenly changed his tune when he found out he wasn't going to get eighty billion tourney points for the forfeit and then packed up and left when he couldn't possibly win the tourney because of it, I think he came back for day 2.
I had a great time for the rest of the games.
Great post, thank you for sharing. Sometimes the right answer is to just let the whiner whine and disengage from them. I find it ridiculous that people care about these things, but we all have stupid little idiosyncrasies and approach the hobby in different ways. If we can't have a discussion in the moment and resolve a dispute so minor, it isn't worth the time.
1 Canoness
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