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John D Law wrote:
I wish I could read somthing into them showing an old inquisitor model for the first time in a decade. Ahh one can dream I guess

It did seem a suspiciously prominent reference; I wonder whether they’re testing the water to see if people would be interested in a resurrection of that too?

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.

Worth mentioning that the book in Blood of the Phoenix is no different than what Shadowspear, Dark Imperium, Forgebane, etc have come with. It's supposed to be a small paperback with the fluff of the 'campaign' in the box plus rules for the items in the box.

It’s similar, but this one appears maybe a little more in depth. I don’t think the others ones have been 40 pages. It could just be full of crap though, i’m just speculating.

phillv85 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.

Worth mentioning that the book in Blood of the Phoenix is no different than what Shadowspear, Dark Imperium, Forgebane, etc have come with. It's supposed to be a small paperback with the fluff of the 'campaign' in the box plus rules for the items in the box.

It’s similar, but this one appears maybe a little more in depth. I don’t think the others ones have been 40 pages. It could just be full of crap though, i’m just speculating.

Shadowspear was 24 pages for each of the three books.

Okay look people, I'm going to point this out but in return I expect to see some fun conversions in the future

The Mistress of Repentence (or whatever they're now calling her). The hilt on that huge crazy whip. It looks exactly like a lightsabre hilt

So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Yes.

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

Those mostly seem like minor problems?

- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.

- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.

- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

Rebuttal, Sisters always looked terrible on 25mms because the robe took up so much of the base that you couldn't hardly see it at all. Old space marines fit better on 25s than they did. Also, if you're playing old editions that's certainly fine, but expecting your use case to be a concern during new product development is unrealistic. The entire middle bit is essentially whining at ghosts as well.


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 jake wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

Those mostly seem like minor problems?

- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.

- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.

- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?

Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.

phillv85 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.

Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?

What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, every SC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...

I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.

My thinking here was that both boxes come with names characters. How many Haldors or Ahrimans do I need is the thought process.

ERJAK wrote:
Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.

Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).

Anyway, we all know why they switched to 32mm...

I'm a big not-fan of the 32mm for the sisters.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.

Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).

Anyway, we all know why they switched to 32mm...

25mm was the standard, but 28mm is creeping in as of Warcry.


As for a reason for 32, there didn't acually seem to be one, beyond GW knows how much people hate rebasing, and they felt like punishing players for something.

I'm personally a fan of both bigger models and bigger bases. The new models look fantastic, and the bases seem appropriately sized.

Looking at the picture of the box contents, most of those figures should actually be ok on a smaller base. Characters appear to be the main challenge, though you can add some overhanging scenics to the base if looking to make those fit, or simply use the larger bases for them to make them stand out more.
No easy solution to the size of the actual models however...

Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

I play regularly with marines on 25mm bases and have no interest in rebasing them, so why does it matter?

They are elite troops and they make sense on 32's(at least to me).

 jake wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

Those mostly seem like minor problems?

And that makes them invalid how exactly?

- I feel like the vast majority of people who buy these models WILL use them to play 8th edition, Killteam or future versions of the game. I'm guessing players wanting to play previous versions of 40k are few and far between. And for those players the base size shouldn't really be much of a problem.

He asked why someone might consider bigger bases lame, whether the number of people not using them in 8th is one or one hundred thousand makes no odds, for them it could be considered lame. And you would be horribly surprised to find how retentive "retro" gaming can be.

- updating bases for older models can be a time consuming project, but it can also be as simple as sticking the old model, base and all, on top of a new larger base. Of course, completely rebasing an army can be frustrating and time consuming, but it can also be fun and satisfy. if you don't wan to do it... don't.

Just sticking one base atop another looks like arse, and surely you know that fine well. And "if you don't like it, don't" is entirely dependent on what someone's local community is like. For every store/club/group where people are happily using 2nd Ed metal Terminators on 25mm bases, there's one where anything less than strict adherence to the "proper" sizes will see you accused of cheating.

- If other players are hassling you over having different bases, don't play with them. Why would you want to waste time on someone like that anyway?

If it's a choice between dealing with them or not gaming at all? Which is a choice plenty of people face and one that's more common for "retro" stuff not less, since your player pool will be much smaller than extant editions of a game and people's fundamental nature as an opponent doesn't change just because they switched to an older system.

The "nobody's holding a gun to your head/starving children in Africa so eat up" defence is becoming annoyingly common on Dakka these days.

phillv85 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.

Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?

What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, every SC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...

I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.

Well before they go to SC they will need to come into own kits. SC's don't contain unique to them kits. And come AFTER own boxes have come. They don't want to give discount boxes for new one.

tneva82 wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Sticking monopose models and books in does seem to be their new direction to stop people buying multiple boxes. To be fair, it’s going to stop me from doing it.

Yeah. So far they’ve done it here, SC Primaris Space Wolves, and SC Thousand Sons. Any I’m not thinking of?

What? Both SW and TS were 100% full kits, if anything, every SC (save for the split Sigmar starter and Deathwatch pseudo-SC) is all full option stuff, not single Primaris, Stormcast, GSC, or ghost ETB kit ended up in Start Collecting boxes...

I'm thinking more like Shadowspear, which I'm convinced models from will become SC! Chaos Space Marines and SC! Primaris Vanguard. They've thrown a book into the new CE vs DE box to bump the price on that one.

Well before they go to SC they will need to come into own kits. SC's don't contain unique to them kits. And come AFTER own boxes have come. They don't want to give discount boxes for new one.

I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 Sentionaut wrote:
So is it pretty safe to say that Sisters look like they're now on 32mm bases?

Lame.

Why?

Because not everyone was planning to play the latest edition with these and the fact that they're on 32s means they'll mostly be posed to fit only on 32s and will be a pain in the arse to fit on 25s? Because people were planning to keep using their metal or third-party or converted Sisters models from previous editions, and will now have to either rebase or deal with snooty little fetus-gamers who'll accuse them of cheating because they started playing five minutes ago and don't know anything about the history of the faction? Because they just don't like the continual embiggening of everything?

Take your pick man.

Personally, I find it lame because I liked that the 32mm base was reserved for things meant to be bigger than baseline human (Space Marines, Goliaths and the like), while the regular human sized people kept using the old ones. It makes for a cool diferentiation on the table, both visually and from a "control space" level.

But that's just me, apparently.

phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.

Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.

I know I'm really late to the party here, but I just looked at the pictures posted a few pages ago. Most notably this one:



What really stood out to me was that if I hadn't been following the SoB news/leaks, I'd look at that picture and assume that the woman with 2 whips and 2 braziers on her back was the Canoness.

Hell, I've been following the leaks and I still wondered for a moment if I'd somehow missed a second Canoness model.

I suppose all I'm saying is that (to me at least) the Mistress of Repentance looks far more like a Canoness than the actual Canoness model.

She certainly looks far more like the army leader, given her more dynamic pose and eye-catching braziers.

tneva82 wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I'm not saying it's imminent, but I do think those models will end up in SC! boxes. We could be a year or two away from it the way the release window seems to be and the lack of kits for the remaining models.

Maybe. But by then the solo kits have been released and it's going to be those that are in SC box, not the mono pose ones. Just like every other SC.

See I don't think it is going to be the full kits. I think they're making these monopose sets to put into SC! boxes down the line to make them less attractive to people who want to buy half a dozen of them. Purely speculation on my behalf of course, we won't know until there is a Primaris Vanguard Start Collecting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 jake wrote:
Not nearly as annoying as your apparent need to find completely ridiculous things to complain about.

That's not a counter-argument. That's just a personal insult.

Try harder.

I did try harder. I saw his list of problems with base size and presented constructive and reasonable responses He chose to ignore them and doubled down on complaining for the sake of complaining.

Its absolutely fine not to like larger bases for your models, but his specified complaints, and his dismissal of suggestions for addressing them, are ridiculous.

The 32mm thing is very annoying. The bases look empty on many models. The 28mm they came out with for Warcry would have been perfect.

Also, even though many of the sisters are standing smaller, creating a smaller foot print, these sisters overall look incredibly tall. I was so happy when primaris marines were actually taller than everything but the size of standard humans just keeps growing. When the Necromunda gangs came out and they towered over the genestealer cultists and skitarii, I was like "hopefully that's just for a side game" but nope.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.

Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).

And those people can go play by themselves
The last time I was at a tourney my first opponent tried this (complaining about non factors), I forfeited and went to hang out with my buddies, he suddenly changed his tune when he found out he wasn't going to get eighty billion tourney points for the forfeit and then packed up and left when he couldn't possibly win the tourney because of it, I think he came back for day 2.

I had a great time for the rest of the games.

 Grundz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
Adding on, using larger bases than your minimum is largely a detriment, not an asset.

Which is why some people will screech "modelling for advantage!" if you have sisters on standard 28mm bases (or 25mm - I forget what GW sizes are).

And those people can go play by themselves
The last time I was at a tourney my first opponent tried this (complaining about non factors), I forfeited and went to hang out with my buddies, he suddenly changed his tune when he found out he wasn't going to get eighty billion tourney points for the forfeit and then packed up and left when he couldn't possibly win the tourney because of it, I think he came back for day 2.

I had a great time for the rest of the games.

Great post, thank you for sharing. Sometimes the right answer is to just let the whiner whine and disengage from them. I find it ridiculous that people care about these things, but we all have stupid little idiosyncrasies and approach the hobby in different ways. If we can't have a discussion in the moment and resolve a dispute so minor, it isn't worth the time.

 Casbyness wrote:
Okay look people, I'm going to point this out but in return I expect to see some fun conversions in the future

The Mistress of Repentence (or whatever they're now calling her). The hilt on that huge crazy whip. It looks exactly like a lightsabre hilt

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lightwhip