PsychoticStorm wrote:
To be honest I am more relaxed about kickstarters, they have too many moving parts in too much quantity for things to go wrong.

What matters for me is when and how they fix things.

Yes, communication might have been better two weeks ago, but what can you communicate? you must first have a clear picture.

Instead of being passive and wait until the last minute to see if God is going to fix your mess for you at the first evidence of a growing problem with the distribution you start tracking the pledges and see who is going to be left out. And then you mail them that there is a problem with their order. You don't leave them out of the loop wondering what the hell happened and grow angry. You take action first!

And mind you currently I'm out of 300€ but in the long run I can laugh at the loss while PRODOS can't because they pissed the guy (and as far as I know I'm the only one) that was going to promote the fething game in the regions of Kansai and Chubu among his friends for free to the point that he is not interested in playing WZ and probably will used the miniatures as proxies for 40K. Well done PRODOS!

The root of this problem from my PoV is that PRODOS is not big enough to deal with two successful KS and apparently did not bring some part timers, friends, gf or whatever to help moving things along. And instead of going full damage control we have the FB page full with people asking where is my stuff and precious few answers from the company other than the KS update above that can be summed up as "yeah, working on it". Yes, what I said involves having time to do that and a host of other tasks at the same time but again bring people to help for God's shake

I considered jumping in the AvP KS, now I'm real glad that I didn't.

M.

Im with Miguelson. This is BS, and why is there no book and only PDFs? This project only used KS as an additional revenue stream and was not the main financial force behind it, at least according to their initial KS notes so using KS as an excuse doesn't cut it. The book should have been the first thing finished. I cant view the PDF from work and I have no printer at home, now I am supposed to go buy a printer just to play a game I ordered the book for? The more I think of it, the more the add on figure ticks me off, they are adding a fig that likely isn't one of the factions I can use thus is a useless figure. Maybe if its a limited release I can sell it on Ebay. Hell at least give us the option on which figure we want, I would take the one of the Blood Beret characters for when that faction comes out(not holding my breath). Sorry for the rant but I invested a fair bit of money in this and they are treating us like crap. They could easily have used the resources for their silly Aliens game and used them to get this project off the ground before switching directions.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
To be honest I am more relaxed about kickstarters, they have too many moving parts in too much quantity for things to go wrong.

What matters for me is when and how they fix things.

Yes, communication might have been better two weeks ago, but what can you communicate? you must first have a clear picture.

Instead of being passive and wait until the last minute to see if God is going to fix your mess for you at the first evidence of a growing problem with the distribution you start tracking the pledges and see who is going to be left out. And then you mail them that there is a problem with their order. You don't leave them out of the loop wondering what the hell happened and grow angry. You take action first!

Exactly!

Exalted!

It really is not that hard to send out and e-mail/Kickstarter Update.

Obviously no one like handing out bad news, but some communication is better than none.

This does not bode well for their AvP KS...

I completely agree with you Miguelsan. There should have been more communication. From the sounds of things, they didn't even alert people when their orders actually shipped.

It's still pretty annoying that I have yet to receive my stuff. There's absolutely no reason why there's been such a delay on my order. Mine should have been sent out with the initial batch back in, when was that? Late November? I have absolutely nothing in my order that should have delayed it. I had no vehicles or superheavies or anything of that sort. All I had were the two Doom Troopers, the Cybertroic Starter, the Bauhaus Starter, and two Capitol troop sets. I know there were issues getting Bauhaus done in time, but they've been done for a while.

I really hope that they actually increase their communication a bit more with those of us who are still waiting. Shipping notifications and tracking numbers would be nice.

I can understand the frustration, I just feel the reaction is a bit, extreme?

How would you feel if we were at an airport waiting for a company to solve our overbooking problems and then realised that me, that screamed a lot, threatened the poor guys at the counter and stuff like that got my boarding pass and an upgrade to 1st class to boot and you, that trusted the counter guys when they told you to be pacient and took the relaxed path are told that you'll be lucky if you get a seat tomorrow, my shift is over and good luck securing a hotel room?

My reaction is not extreme, so far I've only complained loudly and demanded answers from PRODOS. Feel free to call me extremist when I try to get the European Consumer Centre involved, perhaps PRODOS will find some answers for them then.

M.

PD: We were told that the PDF with the armies would be ready yesterday... I fail to see the update. I know that probably it's because they are in full panic mode but if you say something either deliver it or don't say anything at all.

To be honest I was in this situation this summer and frankly I got a seat, without screaming, without demanding.

If you feel that you must scream loud to get your point across, I feel you are on the spoiled part of the world, don't worry you are in the majority.

Now to be frustrated as I said I understand, to demand communication I understand, I did the same on RH's but to add the threats you did, I would say its a bit extreme.

I'm glad you were lucky. Me on the other hand have been repeatedly at the wrong side of a problem where speaking clamly and politely to the staff got me exactly nothing while the screamers got it if only because the staff wanted to get rid of them. So call me spoiled if you want but I no longer think that using politeness is worthy in a system that rewards demanding in harsh tones over asking.

I would threaten if I really cared about doing extra bussiness with them. Now I want or my miniatures as promised or my full money back and if PRODOS continues refusing to comunicate with me, I'll take it to the people that they might not want to ignore.

M.

Faction PDFs are up on Kickstarter and the public Facebook group. They've also managed to track down about 50% of the packages lost by the sub-contractor. So those will be getting sent back, re-checked and sent off again (with tracking info sent to the folks they are destined for). Here's hoping they can find the other 40 in the next few days and expedite the process instead of having to re-do all of it. A few more folks have already received tracking numbers it seems.

That said, I am at least slightly puzzled by the calls for blood at this point. I mean, 90% of fulfilment has passed, inside the next week or so another 5% will go. Depending on the last 40 packages we may well see fulfilment end early next month. Waiting can be frustrating, but it is weird to act like Prodos aren't doing anything. It isn't like they could handle a shipping snafu while they were off on vacation (and despite what some may think, they are more than allowed to; running a KS isn't a pledge to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and every single day of the year). They could have told us about the snafu the second they found out, but then it would have been an update without a plan to fix it. They had already set an initial deadline for the 15th, so it makes sense to update us on the situation at that point when they have had time to figure out a general solution.

Because telling folks about a problem prior to a solution being forthcoming tends to make them more pissed off, because then you also look unprepared.

Either way, comparing being stranded in a city due to a flight snafu to not getting a shipment of miniatures exactly when you thought you would get it is a wee bit hyperbolic. Shipping issues are not magically unique to the Warzone KS and they are not the end of the world. Folk over in the Deadzone crowd are still waiting on packages due to various customs issues, for example (and many of us had mispacks that will take months to sort out this time of year). There will always be issues when it comes to quickly trying to work out how to do hundreds of international orders right around the holidays. Even local shipping options become tricky then.

In the end, I don't see why they have reason to lie about a shipping snafu. At least they are giving us reasons for things getting delayed. This isn't Raging Heroes or Robotech where folks receive vague platitudes about the artistic process and the the complexity of the project. If something is behind because the 3D printer went down, Prodos tell us that. If things are behind because there was a flood at their original print shop, Prodos tell us that. If there was an issue with the engineering of a mini and they need to go back to the drawing board, Prodos tell us that. Getting angry at them and accusing them of actually giving us reasons for hold-ups is a sure fire way to tell other KS Creators to just be vague and lie about it in the future lest they be accused of giving "dog ate my homework" excuses. Complex projects come with risks. Equipment can and will go down, sub-contractors can get delays (and will, often), and there will be shipping issues no matter what you do. When something went wrong, they told us why instead of just telling us there would be delays, for reasons. The only other KS I feel I have gotten that kind of forthright information from was the latter half of the Ogre KS (the initial half was kind of low on communication prior to them announcing they were a whole year off the mark).

So they had a shipping problem. You can either believe they're lying and that this is some conspiracy to piss off the last 10% of the backers (which doesn't make any sense). Or you can go with all the preceding evidence that they are being straight with us and believe that there was a shipping issue that has a non-trivial solution.

At this point, I honestly do hope you get your stuff soon. But it may be a good idea to take a step back and calm down a bit. They have been straight with us throughout the rest of the KS. They have always given reasons for delays and made sure to adjust the time line as things happened. They have never shirked from the fact that their initial time line was way too tight and didn't chalk delays up to "their unique non-linear revolutionary project management system that no you can't see" (they even had non-truncated spread sheets!). But in the end, they started getting stuff out, and have continued doing so. I just don't see a reason to believe that they will suddenly stop doing that and I'm glad that when there is an issue they tell us, re-adjust the project time line and offer solutions if it is a problem that has immediate ones.

Best of luck to you, I can commiserate with your frustration, even if I feel it is a bit overblown in regards to the circumstances. Hopefully things work out for you, one way or the other.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
That said, I am at least slightly puzzled by the calls for blood at this point. I mean, 90% of fulfilment has passed, inside the next week or so another 5% will go.

Because we 10% were not part of that 90% fulfillment? Everyone else getting their stuff does not equal fulfillment on our part or make us even remotely happy. This stuff was supposed to be shipped a very long time ago. That and the book is only in PDF and apparently not in book form yet is a further annoyance since I have no printer nor can I use the printers at work since the PDF is blocked. The rules and publications should have been finished a long time ago as well as they are by far the easiest to do. This project was according to early notices not funded by KS but augmented, so once again, using KS as an excuse is a non-starter. Plus those of us who haven't gotten our stuff know that they are wasting resources on the Aliens game which some of us have zero interest and that is taking resources away from the project we are interested. They should never have started a new project when the old project hadn't even gotten out the door.

In addition Warzone has had a very rough run of it. I don't know a single shop that was in existence back in the original Warzone days that will even take a risk on this new version, which means all sales at this point will be to a company with a proven bad shipping record. I had one store tell me he didn't even want to see it in his store after he got burned so bad the last time. Now I know what happened to 1st and 3rd editions of the game and know it was beyond the companies' control as to why they went down. The newest edition is already getting off to a very rough start and doesn't bode well for the future.

Anyone have a direct link to the rules/faction PDFs for download?

http://warzonegame.com/images/wzrv1_1rules.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/bauhaus_download.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/brotherhood_download.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/capitol_download.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/cybertronic_download.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/legion_download.pdf
http://warzonegame.com/images/mishima%20_download.pdf

Thank you for much for that, RatBot!

Col. Dash wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
That said, I am at least slightly puzzled by the calls for blood at this point. I mean, 90% of fulfilment has passed, inside the next week or so another 5% will go.

Because we 10% were not part of that 90% fulfillment? Everyone else getting their stuff does not equal fulfillment on our part or make us even remotely happy. This stuff was supposed to be shipped a very long time ago. That and the book is only in PDF and apparently not in book form yet is a further annoyance since I have no printer nor can I use the printers at work since the PDF is blocked.

The rule book has been printed, and (presumably, I didn't pledge for one) received by those who have got their pledges,

you can see one out in the wild at the link below

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection.html

It's not fun being one of the last to get your KS shipment (I was with Dreadball), even less so when there are problems (where they'd run out of a good chunk of the minis I was due, and had, unasked, replaced a bunch more with metal) but they really aren't trying to upset you

They want repeat custom, they want positive buzz, it's not in their interest to deliberately mess thing up

Soo, what's the status of the big kits? I'm still short an Eradicator and the release date for that kit is November 2013 on the official site.

They seem to be focusing on getting all the wave one stuff out the door, so updates have been sparse on the super-heavies. Last update on them was in a video in Update #136 (no sound at work, so I can't double check it).

Part of me wants to say they would be done with 'em late January or early February. Though who knows if the shipping situation threw that target off. I'm sure once they get past this crisis and back on track we'll get more non-shipping info.

That said, they should probably update the online store since those dates appear to be the planned second wave date before they had to re-engineer the kits.

Can't wait to see how they've changed though, though I was rather taken with their first EDD concept, so hopefully they didn't have to fiddle with it too much.

And hallelujah for PDF army lists. Now I can save my book from massive wear and tear while list building.

Though it does appear that the main rules are missing the resource table on page 22. Shouldn't be too big a fix (may have accidentally shifted to a lower layer since there is still space in the layout for it). But it should be the same as it was in the beta unless I'm mistaken (3 resources for Ranged and Close Combat, 4 for Tech and Psychic). The rest of it looks largely identical to the printed book (save for skipping the fluff section). Having a free PDF should definitely help me grow this in my group.

First of I am all with Durandal on the shipping issue, it sucks to be last but they are trying to solve it.

Secondly the heavies will get here when they get here, most of us have loads to paint anyway.

Thirdly has anyone noticed the extended resources for advanced game table lists the close combat warlord at 8 resources but the tech warlord at only 7?

All I ordered was the book, the cards, and a bag of Legion objective markers. So far I've gotten the book, the markers, and an IOU on the cards.

I know I wouldn't mind seeing a PDF of the various card decks, but I don't remember seeing those. Has that been mentioned?

 Alpharius wrote:
Thank you for much for that, RatBot!

No problem. Game looks pretty fun, looking forward to whenever they get it into wider distribution for sure.

Pending my full rules review I can say that the game looks very solid, the mechanics are much less convoluted than in say GW's games, which make it much smoother to run which is necessary since you act with every model as an individual rather than on a squad basis.

All in all I can't believe that war-gaming didn't move to a d20 system long ago.

The cards also keep both you and your opponent reacting to the unknown which is very nice. Though with between 6 and 8 resources for only the warlord + 4 for troops (10-12 depending on warlord) in a standard advanced game that mechanic may get a little to powerful.

Anyone who hasn't received their order- what's been the turnaround time on emails you've sent since Wednesday? I sent an email Wednesday afternoon and still haven't received a reply. Is this normal?

I mailed them perhaps thursday about some issues with the content of my order (see my review for details) and got a response in less than 24h.

So I guess I should be worried, then. Wonder if my emails are getting caught in a spam filter, which is weird for gmail.

 jacobus wrote:
So I guess I should be worried, then. Wonder if my emails are getting caught in a spam filter, which is weird for gmail.

It is possible. They were quick responding to me as well, but perhaps your issue isn't a simple 'whoops, sorry, we'll have that rectified in a jiff' type issue.

I usually give five business days before worrying.

For those that have their models.

Are you finding a lot of issues?

So far my purple sharks don't line up when assembled leaving huge gaps.

Sea Lions were mold slipped.. Looked atrocious both bodies and legs.

Free Marines do not fit together leaving big gaps between the legs and torsos.

I sent pics to Prodos but I am a but flustered just wondering if I got a bad batch or if it is standard.

 primalexile wrote:
For those that have their models.

Are you finding a lot of issues?

So far my purple sharks don't line up when assembled leaving huge gaps.

Sea Lions were mold slipped.. Looked atrocious both bodies and legs.

Free Marines do not fit together leaving big gaps between the legs and torsos.

I sent pics to Prodos but I am a but flustered just wondering if I got a bad batch or if it is standard.

You don't seem to be the only one with purple shark problems judging from this thread...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/574868.page#6463781

Hope that helps.

edit: Nevermind.. you've posted in that thread!

Hopefully they fix this before they get around to shipping mine. Will be doubly annoyed if the stuff I waited forever on is all screwed up and I have to wait for replacements.

 primalexile wrote:
For those that have their models.

Are you finding a lot of issues?

So far my purple sharks don't line up when assembled leaving huge gaps.

Sea Lions were mold slipped.. Looked atrocious both bodies and legs.

Free Marines do not fit together leaving big gaps between the legs and torsos.

I sent pics to Prodos but I am a but flustered just wondering if I got a bad batch or if it is standard.

Sounds like that may be a thing with some of the Purple Sharks in some cases. Not sure if it is universal or just a common issue with some of the kits.

My stuff has all been excellent so far, though. Outside of the large amounts of flash I've had little to no mould slip and most everything has lined up well.

Don't worry, they'll sort you out, probably just got some bad eggs.


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They look to be the re-engineered super-heavy tanks. I'm liking the overall updates quite a bit. Part of me will miss the crow's nest on the Grizzly, but seeing as this one isn't the old monstrous one, it makes more sense without.

The details and edges also look a lot harder. An improvement overall to the original 1:1 down-scaled version we were getting before. Should fit better with the aesthetic of the Vorreiter and Vulkan for folks that were worried about that.

I hope that means we'll be seeing an update soon.

The first tank looks like a rip-off of the Akuyaku No. 1 "Bad Guy" tank by Miyazaki, which is also released in kit form by Asuka.

Though it wouldn't be the first time this was done to that model.

Its the other way around if you think there's a similarity- the first Grizzly tank was released in '96 by forgeworld, and is similar to the CAD design (though less detailed)
The MC:Bauhaus cover art (that you see in Ronins sig and profile) are from '95 for the English edition.

Still i would chalk it up more to them both going to the same well for inspiration, taking an old retro WW1ish tank, blowing it up and slapping as many guns as possible on it.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
The first tank looks like a rip-off of the Akuyaku No. 1 "Bad Guy" tank by Miyazaki, which is also released in kit form by Asuka.

Though it wouldn't be the first time this was done to that model.

The argument could certainly be made since the Akuyaku popped up around 1985 in Model Graphix (I believe). Though hard to prove, since it only ever appeared in Japanese-language only modelling magazines and rare kits from that point and there wasn't exactly a huge market for Japanese stuff in the West just yet (though this was also the birth of Robotech in the US, so who knows). The Grizzly appeared (I think) at its earliest in 1995 and I think the original definitely has a lot of similarities that point to Miyazaki's tank being the inspiration (mostly the Char-style tracks, twin rear turrets and the crow's nest). For all we know it was a case of model/design telephone tag where someone saw an Akuyaku in the late 80's, made a neat scratch build that showed up in Swedish modelling mag and the designers thought it looked cool and popped something similar in to Mutant Chronicles. Hard to know back in the misty times before mass internet availability.

The more generally available Akuyaku didn't pop up until around 2005 (and I think it appeared in a more generally available art book in 1997). So it would depend on how in to Japanese culture the original designers were. But I'd say the original Grizzly was almost definitely an homage to the Akuyaku (one way or another), too many similar key design features for parallel development.

The new version definitely has several key differences to finally divorce the design a bit more from the Akuyaku, which is a good thing. Still has the distinctive rear turrets (though the design is quite different on them), but loses the rounded features, crow's nest and most importantly, the size. This one actually has a lot more in common now with the Char series of tanks that inspired bits of the Akuyaku itself. The more angular design is very reminiscent of someone taking a Char 2C giving it the B1's treads and then giving it a few extra turrets ala the T-35 (oh and making it the size of the Maus). Hard to find a better description of the Bauhaus than taking a tank that is such a mutt.

Well you're certainly into tanks Ronin, I have no idea what even half of that means.
But if you really want to know Chris from Modiphius is doing an interview with Fredrik Malmberg, who was CEO of Target the company behind mutant chronicles and is asking us to submit questions over at the MC3ed facebook page, perhaps you could try to get it in there.

 primalexile wrote:
For those that have their models.

Are you finding a lot of issues?

So far my purple sharks don't line up when assembled leaving huge gaps.

Sea Lions were mold slipped.. Looked atrocious both bodies and legs.

Free Marines do not fit together leaving big gaps between the legs and torsos.

I sent pics to Prodos but I am a but flustered just wondering if I got a bad batch or if it is standard.

The larger number of bad casts right now is due to them stressing out so many minis in such a short time. You seem to have gotten worse than most but I'd say it's not uncommon that people got something that was a bit off.

Well, that doesn't give me very much confidence in what I'm getting.

I notice that Prodos is down as one of the traders at this years Salute. Do they generally have a decent range of stock at shows?

When is Salute?

It could make for some interesting Face to Face meetings and conversations between Prodos and Kickstarter backers...

April the 12th (IIRC).

My sharks were also miscast. Even with little pieces of mold stuck underneath but most other miniatures were fine except for the really thin spears for the Valks and a snapped blade on the crucifier.

Other stuff I disliked is the heads or rather the lack of variety. Other than the sharks there are not variants for sergeants or custom heroes in my order.

But outside that even with all my complaining about the mess PRODOS did with the delivery I cannot fault them on average quality.

M.

How is their material to work with? I'm hoping it's similar to the 'resin' plastic that Alkemy uses.

Also, any word on when they will reach an American distributor?

Well, no shipping notices yet. I believe they said to be patient until this week. If I hear nothing by Wednesday, it'll be time to start complaining.

Still waiting to hear something. They have been quiet since that last update, even on their forum except for some "We check our email regularly." Answers to people who didn't get email answers. I avoid their facebook page, far too many rabid, Prodos can do no wrong, fanboys. Maybe something has been said there.

Col. Dash- I finally got my emails to go through, and Rob has been great with communication since then. Did you send to orders@warzonegame.com ? I was sending to the orders@prodos.co.uk address and they kept getting lost in the ether. Just a thought.

I have had no issue on emails myself but have read plenty on all forums that others have. I am waiting to hear about a tracking number to receive my initial stuff.

So anybody got any communication from them?

Hi all,

Our group's second video bat-rep can be found here. Hope you enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5TwjokVBQ

Mark

Looks like the super-heavies are almost ready for production.

Here is a shot of the Cap tank master. Apparently just needs a bit more clean up before it is ready to go.



Edit - They are hoping to have it ready for production by Sunday it seems.

This is looking different than the deep blue hue of their normal masters. I wonder if they are using a more traditional hard resin for the large vehicle kits or if this is from a new/different printer?

It seems Prodos has avoided an annoyed email. I got my tracking number today. Found the email in my spam box, so be sure and check yours.

Interestingly, they're shipping through something called Parcel Force. I'm curious how that's going to arrive.

My buddy's finally arrived on Saturday (ironically it came to his place as he was over at mine for games night with the guys ). So while the other two folks will be continuing on with getting a start on the next Deadzone round, I'll hopefully be filling his Capitol stuff full o' holes in the name of the Homebuilders. It will be my first proper game of Warzone where I'm not providing all the figs, I can't wait now.

 Barzam wrote:
It seems Prodos has avoided an annoyed email. I got my tracking number today. Found the email in my spam box, so be sure and check yours.

Interestingly, they're shipping through something called Parcel Force. I'm curious how that's going to arrive.

Parcel Force is the big/heavy stuff arm of the UK's Royal Mail so I would think it will feed into your normal postal system (USPS from your flag?) in the same way

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
It seems Prodos has avoided an annoyed email. I got my tracking number today. Found the email in my spam box, so be sure and check yours.

Interestingly, they're shipping through something called Parcel Force. I'm curious how that's going to arrive.

Parcel Force is the big/heavy stuff arm of the UK's Royal Mail so I would think it will feed into your normal postal system (USPS from your flag?) in the same way

This is how mine came, and i can confirm. Speaking on my pledge.....


So I just got my kick starter pledge. I was super excited, but as I'm putting it together i'm getting more and more disappointed.

so far the Bauhaus Vulcan is suffering from realy bad miscast and mould shift. I'm going to have to try and rescuplt whole details now on the model. I don't find this expectable for a resin product. I have no idea how this modle passed QC. I have been takeing pics of the modle and can post the issues i've been haveing here if people wish to see.

I also feel their is huge design issues with the Hussars.

They are way to hard to assemble, they should of been something like:
-The Right arm and gun should of been one parts
-Torso and legs should of been one parts
-Shoulderpads separate
-The legs are spread so far apart they stand on the lip of their 30mm base. Makes it hard to glue them to their base.

I also found these two issues with the design in general:
-The spike on the helmet is so small I've broken the damn things off with a paintbrush, or just brushing them with a finger. Totally unacceptable for a wargameing mini. I'm disapointed i can't have spiked helmets.
-The belt on the torso is not thick enough, and blends into the jump suit. At 1st i was wondering why they removed the belt.

Otherwise the hussars seem to be well cast. Just a paint in the ass to put together.


I still have more bauhaus, mishima, and Capitol stuff to go threw. I love the design of these mini's but I hope the rest don't disapoint like these 1st have.

 Lockark wrote:
So I just got my kick starter pledge. I was super excited, but as I'm putting it together i'm getting more and more disappointed.

so far the Bauhaus Vulcan is suffering from realy bad miscast and mould shift. I'm going to have to try and rescuplt whole details now on the model. I don't find this expectable for a resin product. I have no idea how this modle passed QC. I have been takeing pics of the modle and can post the issues i've been haveing here if people wish to see.

I'd like to see that. Also, it might help to get the issue addressed as well. When the first cybertronic orders were sent out, someone posted some pics here and they got a response directly from the company. You should *NEVER* have to resculpt details due to poor QA (filling minor gaps and holes in flat surfaces is occasionally acceptable depending on the extent). I'm considering getting Warzone minis at the retail level and would appreciate seeing the pics to identify potential issues. If I'm special ordering at my local store (which likely I'd have to do instead of them stocking it themselves), QA issues on one of the few units that I'd want (the vulcan) would be helpful in making my decision.

Yes, please post pictures!

I was on the fence about this one during the KS campaign, and I'm still interested in it, if I can find some local-ish players.

But pictures of what to expect will be appreciated!

Here is what I've found so far:

I hope you didn't want to have spikes on your huaasrs helmets. The flash is about as thick as these tiny spikes, and a gentle pass of the finger breaks them off.


The top carry handles on the hussar guns are also a detail i hope no one was counting on haveing.


almost every huaasr gun i've gone threw has a glob of resin were the carry handle should of been. I've had to snip this off everyone to make them look right.


I also think the huassars are abit rediculus to get glues to the 30mm base. They don't even stand inside the lip!


Now the vulcan.... This modle has been a mess. I forgot to take pics of the mould distress marks that were on both guns. Also on one of the legs the mould shift distorded the gear on the knee pad, and i had to scrap it off to make it look "right".

Examples of the mould shift that happened:

Hard to see in this one, but the top right cornor is raises a mm or two above the rest of the vent along the mould line.


Even more dramatic mould shift on the arms:


The groin plate thingy is a right off.


Sorry for the blurry pic, but see that huge bumb comeing out the back of the torso? That's just a huge round blob of resin, that looks like it formed from mould rip.





Bassicly it looks like my vulcan came from a mould that should of been retired, and never should of been sent out.
=/

Wow, that sucks a bit. Outside of the tiny helmet spikes (and tiny flamed bits on my Juggernauts) my Bauhaus stuff has been fine (no issues with the gun rail). I'd get in touch with them and get the guns and vulkan replaced though. My two vulkans certainly didn't come out like that. Those are definitely in need of replacement. Luckily they have at least listened to the fans about thin pieces and improved on many sculpts to make them more manufacturable. At least this issue didn't take as long to sort out as Corvus Belli's love of impossible to glue diddly bits. Good luck on getting replacements.

Looks like they pushed their molds a bit too hard for too long without replacing them. Hopefully my stuff is near the beginning of a mold's life cycle if it ever gets to me :(

Ask them for replacements they have promised to send me replacements for every issue I had, even issues that wasn't really their fault like shipping damage.

Col. Dash wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
That said, I am at least slightly puzzled by the calls for blood at this point. I mean, 90% of fulfilment has passed, inside the next week or so another 5% will go.

Because we 10% were not part of that 90% fulfillment? Everyone else getting their stuff does not equal fulfillment on our part or make us even remotely happy. This stuff was supposed to be shipped a very long time ago. That and the book is only in PDF and apparently not in book form yet is a further annoyance since I have no printer nor can I use the printers at work since the PDF is blocked. The rules and publications should have been finished a long time ago as well as they are by far the easiest to do. This project was according to early notices not funded by KS but augmented, so once again, using KS as an excuse is a non-starter. Plus those of us who haven't gotten our stuff know that they are wasting resources on the Aliens game which some of us have zero interest and that is taking resources away from the project we are interested. They should never have started a new project when the old project hadn't even gotten out the door.

In addition Warzone has had a very rough run of it. I don't know a single shop that was in existence back in the original Warzone days that will even take a risk on this new version, which means all sales at this point will be to a company with a proven bad shipping record. I had one store tell me he didn't even want to see it in his store after he got burned so bad the last time. Now I know what happened to 1st and 3rd editions of the game and know it was beyond the companies' control as to why they went down. The newest edition is already getting off to a very rough start and doesn't bode well for the future.

Just FYI, the book does exist and is sitting right beside me. Its gorgeous and well worth the wait my friend!

That's a plus. Still waiting lol.

I don't like the waiting either but having been on the other side of the coin as a shipping clerk when the shipper messed up (a UPS truck caught fire on the dock- with my companies outgoing orders) I can certainly sympathize. And with the PDFs in hand now I can plan out my next purchases to finish my armies.
The bigger concern to me is it sounds like the molds are being used a little too long, which then could mean more delays as i photograph and then wait for replacements.

Of course with this timing i might now just get one package with the Death Egg and Icarus included.

Slightly off topic, but it looks like the Mutant Chronicles Roleplaying Game is going to get us some new minis from Prodos and Mophidius as well. There will be conversions to Warzone:Resurrection. These are a couple of days old, but here are the first renders for heretics.

Cool for the conversion thing, but the basic Warzone rules should include generic commanders just like in past editions, we can equip from a list, which unlock troop types so we are not forced to bring named characters. I always hated special characters in games, preferring to build my own, this game is no exception.

Col. Dash wrote:
Cool for the conversion thing, but the basic Warzone rules should include generic commanders just like in past editions, we can equip from a list, which unlock troop types so we are not forced to bring named characters. I always hated special characters in games, preferring to build my own, this game is no exception.

This is a major issue for me as well. Its one of the main reasons why I don't play warmachine.

That's exactly the reason I don't and is the first reference that comes to mind when I have argued this in the past.

Col. Dash wrote:
Cool for the conversion thing, but the basic Warzone rules should include generic commanders just like in past editions, we can equip from a list, which unlock troop types so we are not forced to bring named characters. I always hated special characters in games, preferring to build my own, this game is no exception.

Well there is a 'heroes of the solar system' system which allows you to make your own characters, but it is very rudimentary.

Okay, I got to open up my box tonight! I have to say, I'm pretty damn pleased with what I got.

Overall, everything looks good. I have no major miscasts. The Bauhaus guys all look good. Their helmet spikes are indeed super tiny and many were broken off, but since I was planning on cutting them off anyway, it's no issue for me. Their carry handles were all full and well cast, too.

My Vulkan has some very slight mold slip issues and the Bauhaus symbols on the legs are pretty soft. The biggest issue with it is that there were two air bubbles that formed on the chest. I may just work it as battle damage or fill them in though depending on my mood when I get to building it. We'll see.

One question though, there's two torsos in the Hussar set that don't have the shoulder pads attached. Were there supposed to be loose shoulder pads to glue onto them? If there are, mine are missing them. And were they supposed to come with rocket launchers?

Everything else looked pretty good from what I could see. Yeah, there's a lot of flash and I would question the way the Banshees are attached to their sprues, but everything appears to be good. The one, big issue with my order is that my Atilla/Cuirassier was missing from my starter set.

So, who exactly do I need to contact regarding missing content?

Who do you contact if you have not got anything, not even the promised tracking number?

To both questions orders@warzonegame.com would probably work. It's what I contacted regarding missing bits and I believe it also handles queries on KS orders.

ok thanks.

I got a response from Prodos this morning about my missing Atilla. Apparently they were out of stock on it and will be shipping him to me when they do the second wave stuff.

I'm glad they wrote back to me about it in a relatively timely manner, but it would have been nice if that informed me ahead of time that there were stock issues with that figure, rather than leaving me to think that he was just plain missing. I'll give Mantic credit that at least they put a note in my shipment about which items they were going to be sending in wave 2.

Just an FYI- this could be a cool Mishiman Hero or Warlord...

Well Barzam, at least you have models to start work on. Theres a large number of us with nothing but promises for our money.

And while i haven't received any tracking numbers emailed, i had a UPS delivery slip with a Parcel Force tracking number on it waiting for me when i got home today.

Nice, because I have received neither a tracking number, nor any communication.

Got to play a few games of Warzone at TempleCon. Among my thoughts:

-Turn and burn mechanic can seriously hurt you if you aren't prepared for it (Dark Legion Melee Monster Warlord Alakhi(sp?) closing th distance to my Bauhaus and murdering them outright).
-You need LOTS of terrain on the table. Like Infinity lots or more. Shooting can be very killy.
-No armor modification on heroes is odd, and I'm not sure we were using it properly.

Definitely a blast to play, however!

So did anybody got a reply from them?

Because I rate no delivery and no response after so much time... a bit low.

When i email them I usually get a response back a day later

In the above email?

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Got to play a few games of Warzone at TempleCon. Among my thoughts:

-Turn and burn mechanic can seriously hurt you if you aren't prepared for it (Dark Legion Melee Monster Warlord Alakhi(sp?) closing th distance to my Bauhaus and murdering them outright).

Yeah, good use of resources can really have a big impact on things. Stacking various generic and unit-specific boosts can cause some pretty neat effects. Still remember my buddy pouring a bunch of resources in to Max Steiner to net him a high-strength initial shot with his deathlockdrum that managed to one-shot the enemy warlord (the lucky crit definitely helped since it obviated armour and heal checks as well).

-You need LOTS of terrain on the table. Like Infinity lots or more. Shooting can be very killy.

This is both a yes and no in my mind. The low cap on weapon ranges (some things buck the trend of course) means it lacks Infinity's danger of falling prey to uber long-ranged weapons like the HMG that have a sweet-spot a mile wide. But that said, the simple weapon ranges mean that, in the open, that 24" range rifle is effective at any range (unlike in Infinity where things have specified sweet spots). In general, I found that this led to people keeping engagement distances long if they had a good patch of cover to own. And at the very least, vehicles seem to be able to tank damage fairly well (unlike a TAG which can get shredded if you aren't careful). Still, definitely want terrain to be fairly dense, but I feel it has more leeway for open sight lines and the like. But yes, shooting can be devastating (this has always been a hallmark of Warzone; it was always brutally unforgiving).

-No armor modification on heroes is odd, and I'm not sure we were using it properly.

How were you using it? The no armour mods simply means they wont eat extra penalties from specific weapon types (plasma, piercing, blast, etc.) not that their armour is never reduced. The armour modifiers listed in the unit are only used to determine what damage types something is weak (or strong) against. So while a unit of Chasseur eat a -3 additional armour penalty when hit with blast weapons, most character don't care what damage type they get hit with (and most also come with a lower cap on what their armour can be reduced to). If you were using it like that, then it was 100% kosher. If you were not applying any penalties to their armour roll for weapon strength, then yeah, that was an oversight.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
If you were not applying any penalties to their armour roll for weapon strength, then yeah, that was an oversight.

Well that makes Alahki a lot less scary. His armor save was unreal! Good to know it only applies to weapon types.

I'll have to get another game in, but I'd agree with you on sight lines, long range doesn't matter as much, but advancing through multiple rounds of shooting? Lunacy.

Hey, y'all are not allowed to have fun playing this until we all have our models in hand. Pack em back up and await the go ahead from the unlucky few(I think more than a few) of us that havent gotten our stuff yet.

Yeah, being out of cover is horrid if you don't have much going for you (Stealth, Stalker or cards if you are playing advanced games). I find that breaking up a nasty long-ranged fire fight with a Rapid Deployment squad or a vehicle with some CQB weapons tends to do the trick (the latter is also handy as mobile cover for a supporting squad).

Corporate Agents! "Mr. Anderson. You have. Been leading. Two liiives."

They look nice.

Does anyone else think he looks like Inquistor Salvatore Nikodemus from WZ 1st Ed.? I'm liking this minis for the RPG so far!

Looks like the Imperial supplement is being released April 12. Renders:

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EDIT: The pictures are huge. Just click the links I guess.

Available at Salute....good god this is going to be expensive.....

I think my wife may well kill me

Oh God... I need those Imperial troops.

All these are nice, but do they reply on their emails?

On the subject anybody else that has not got anything yet?

They updated the KS page. Apparently 40 packages were returned and had to be sent again and there are 8 packages that lack an owner or said owner can't be contacted by PRODOS and they suggested contacting them at orders@warzonegame.com if you don't get yours by the end of this week.

I don't know why PRODOS is not answering your mails perhaps your address has been tagged as spam and they are not reading it?

M.

I hope that my stuff is in the mail. I did not get an email, but they said its all on the way in that update so I guess we will see. Ill believe it when I open the box if it appears.

In the previous update they said the same and that they would send tracking numbers too.

My email was not in their spam filter when they contacted me before the initial shipping time.

remember it's really easy to accidently mark something as spam (and thus make any further emails from the same address vanish)

Email addressed actually published on the web end up with 1000s of spam email so they're never going to spot the mistake by themselves

I really think trying to contacting them from a fresh email address would be the smart move to make

Another update from the RPG Kickstarter. A Brotherhood Sacred Warrior. I like the scars. Although in the older editions, didn't Sacred Warriors have pistols, too? Or am I getting them mixed up with the Fury?

I like the beard but it looks like he has a mask and aren't sacred warriors supposed to have long hair?

I thought only Valkyries and Archangels had long hair.

Damn hippies. His face would probably look alright painted, I think the render itself just makes it look mask like. Neat to see one without the silly blinding giant helm. Odd that they don't at least have pistols.

From the Warzone rulebook: "Many wear their long hair free..."

Maybe his hair is tucked down into his armor so that when he puts his helm on it doesn't take up space or somehow spread to the front.

He could also be a very straitlaced and serious Sacred Warrior who hates hippies.

Well a little bit a of green stuff in the back gets him a mullet. That fixes everything, right?

Guys?

guys...

I don't know of any situation where a mullet fixes anything, Ronin...

No? How about an episode of MacGyver?

Here's a new Free Marine render from the Mutant Chronicles RPG Kickstarter. Looks like he could definitely be used as a Capitol close-combat warlord.

Just noticed that the new units are up for sale today
Blue Shark
Tiger Dragons
and the Eradicator

Been waffling on this. Get its time to decide or not.

If I read it right, the Miniatures Master pledge gets 8 sets, plus all the PDFs? That includes the various core books, settings, guides, conversions, etc? Plus 8 miniature sets? Seems like a decent deal.

Is there anymore information on the Imperials that Prodos will have at Salute?

Anyone get their wave 2 stuff yet?

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Anyone get their wave 2 stuff yet?

A few people over on the FB page have reported getting them (and we have a couple shots of their eradicators and such to prove it). Still haven't gotten mine, but I had a bunch of extras in the second wave, so I'm not surprised. Still haven't finished building the rest of it. Oh well, at least I haven't gone in for any mini-heavy KS's this year (though I did grab a 3-mini set from the MC one; I think I can handle that ).

Oh good, does this mean they will send me my wave one stuff sometime soon?

They said they will resend them once they have time.

Hmm. I all got in wave two was a replacement card deck....

Glad I haven't had time to finish assembling the models

Does anyone have any decent scale shots of these miniatures next to Infinity miniatures? I'd like to see how some of the Capitol guys scale up next to Ariadna miniatures if anyone has any on hand. Otherwise just a general scale shot would be good. I've seen the one of the zombie next to the infinity miniature, but that's probably not as indicative as the zombies look to be a lot smaller than other miniatures in the Warzone line.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Does anyone have any decent scale shots of these miniatures next to Infinity miniatures? I'd like to see how some of the Capitol guys scale up next to Ariadna miniatures if anyone has any on hand. Otherwise just a general scale shot would be good. I've seen the one of the zombie next to the infinity miniature, but that's probably not as indicative as the zombies look to be a lot smaller than other miniatures in the Warzone line.

I can grab you one tonight when I get home. As I recall when I had them side by side they were fairly close.


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Sorry for the bad quality. Only had time for a quick cellphone picture.

I've got one as well.



People ought to look in my gallery more often.

Excellent, so they're pretty much in scale with Infinity miniatures, this is good to know. Cheers guys, I appreciate it!