Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Oh yeah, that's much better. I think this new direction is growing on me.

I do have to note again that the stances feel a bit to samey. Will there be no more variation in poses?

yes, 3 variants of legs, 3 torso, 5 arms , 2 weapons, 8 heads in one pack,
each pack is 5 models.

now legs can be rotated ±90°
depending on torso/leg mix you will get more/less dynamic position
in general 720+ combinations for one model, like for skirmish should be ok ?

AND all of that for price of Jack Daniel's! ))



Soon painted version!

So when will we see some release dates/prices? Will those peices be resin or plastic or one of the new plastic/resin hybrids?

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
Looks good but why aren't they wearing armor?

Because they are these:



The original Chasseurs were dudes in tanktops with some headgear. These guys at least have visible dermal plating going for them (along with the headgear). Weren't you just complaining about how you were afraid they would throw old designs out? Or is that another c0un7_z3r0 I'm thinking of?

Either way, I think they are marked improvement on the the source material.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
AND all of that for price of Jack Daniel's! ))

Hmm, good thing I'm more of a Scotch man.

I can have my Cyber and drink Scotch too! (not sure how happy my wife will be about this)

 judgedoug wrote:

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
Looks good but why aren't they wearing armor?

Aren't they replacing these guys?

Spoiler:

http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/cybertronic-mega-corporation/tg9508pb-warzone-cybertronic-chasseurs-4-figures/

Dermal plates seems more armor than a wifebeater


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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

yes, 3 variants of legs, 3 torso, 5 arms , 2 weapons, 8 heads in one pack,
each pack is 5 models.

AND all of that for price of Jack Daniel's! ))

$21.99 ?

that is about right ±1.99

Hmm, $4.80-ish per fig for proper multi-part plastic that one can actually pose? In a skirmish game? That's damn reasonable. Certainly cheap enough for me to pick up a new box or twelve.

Not really a fan of those. I always thought cybertonics basic soldiers would just look like tech advanced humans with a few bionics and advanced weaponry, these are just too much, and I hate the shirtless thing, it doesn't make sense to me.

$4.00 a piece, for 6 piece miniatures, that don't really appear to have much poability. I think I'll pass. That's more expensive than GW and is up there with forgeworld.And yes I understand you don't need as many, but to me a high detailed mini is a high detailed mini.

I'm going to guess the price is higher because these are resin or restic, not plastic.

...Or Catachan kevlar wifebeaters.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Not really a fan of those. I always thought cybertonics basic soldiers would just look like tech advanced humans with a few bionics and advanced weaponry, these are just too much, and I hate the shirtless thing, it doesn't make sense to me.

another troll?

they are replacing this ones:

http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/cybertronic-mega-corporation/tg9508pb-warzone-cybertronic-chasseurs-4-figures/

... IP rights? Rings the bell?

If you've got a lot of bionics (generating heat) you might actually be better off shirtless

(or incorporating cooling fins)

 god.ra wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Not really a fan of those. I always thought cybertonics basic soldiers would just look like tech advanced humans with a few bionics and advanced weaponry, these are just too much, and I hate the shirtless thing, it doesn't make sense to me.

another troll?

they are replacing this ones:

http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/cybertronic-mega-corporation/tg9508pb-warzone-cybertronic-chasseurs-4-figures/

... IP rights? Rings the bell?

I'm not a troll. I hated those ones back in the day. There is no reason to hold onto an asthetic that is just not good. They can do whatever they want with the IP, this is one of the lines of miniatures that they should have changed. They look like WWF wrestlers, not soldiers. The old cybertonic shock troopers were much more in liine with how I like cybertronic to look. In the fluff the basic cybertronic soldiers were not supposed to be super augmented, augmented yes, cyborgs no, they were pretty much just basic soldiers.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Love 'em! They remind me a lot of an updated version of the black & white interior art from Mutant Chronicles (the RPG). I do kind of miss the classic Cybertronic weapons a little, though they were a bit incongruous with the rest of the setting (looked like they were designed by Shirow Masamune actually). But the guys themselves are brilliant, a big improvement over the Mk1 Chasseurs/People's Volunteers. And the full view actually makes them look a lot sleeker as well. I could see them done up with a chromed armour look from classic cyber, it would be brilliant.

And I can see a lot of AdMech players wanting some to do Skitarii grunts.

Oddly, they also remind me of Syntha from Void/Urban War. But that shouldn't surprise me, considering who I-Kore descended from. Syntha did always feel like Cybertronic v2.0.

I do kind of miss the classic Cybertronic weapons

 Andrew1975 wrote:

I'm not a troll. I hated those ones back in the day. There is no reason to hold onto an asthetic that is just not good. They can do whatever they want with the IP, this is one of the lines of miniatures that they should have changed. They look like WWF wrestlers, not soldiers. The old cybertonic shock troopers were much more in liine with how I like cybertronic to look. In the fluff the basic cybertronic soldiers were not supposed to be super augmented, augmented yes, cyborgs no, they were pretty much just basic soldiers.

Yeah, I guess it may depend on which edition you like. 1st Edition Cybertronic described the basic Chasseur as heavily augmented and beyond human. The 2nd Edition book described the main-line troops as not having the best equipment (likely referring to the tier-1 People's Volunteers). Personally, not being a huge fan of 2nd Edition's background changes, I prefer the more heavily augmented look. I like Cybertronic being a super-elite force made up of the top picks from other corporations (living and dead). So I hope this is a sign that we will be seeing 1st Edition Cybertronic, myself.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Not really a fan of those. I always thought cybertonics basic soldiers would just look like tech advanced humans with a few bionics and advanced weaponry, these are just too much, and I hate the shirtless thing, it doesn't make sense to me.

$4.00 a piece, for 6 piece miniatures, that don't really appear to have much poability. I think I'll pass. That's more expensive than GW and is up there with forgeworld.And yes I understand you don't need as many, but to me a high detailed mini is a high detailed mini.

I'm going to guess the price is higher because these are resin or restic, not plastic.

What's more expensive than GW or FW ???? $4 a miniature
Lets see:
My Squad of 10 DKK cost me £36 that is 56 usd... Work out math by your self.
And just to compare with GW I paid yesterday for 5 raptors £20 = 31 USD ....

Just go troll somewhere else.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

I'm not a troll. I hated those ones back in the day. There is no reason to hold onto an asthetic that is just not good. They can do whatever they want with the IP, this is one of the lines of miniatures that they should have changed. They look like WWF wrestlers, not soldiers. The old cybertonic shock troopers were much more in liine with how I like cybertronic to look. In the fluff the basic cybertronic soldiers were not supposed to be super augmented, augmented yes, cyborgs no, they were pretty much just basic soldiers.

Yeah, I guess it may depend on which edition you like. 1st Edition Cybertronic described the basic Chasseur as heavily augmented and beyond human. The 2nd Edition book described the main-line troops as not having the best equipment (likely referring to the tier-1 People's Volunteers). Personally, not being a huge fan of 2nd Edition's background changes, I prefer the more heavily augmented look. I like Cybertronic being a super-elite force made up of the top picks from other corporations (living and dead). So I hope this is a sign that we will be seeing 1st Edition Cybertronic, myself.

I'm not sure which edition I'm thinking of either. I just know I always hated the shirtless guys and here they are again! I guess it doesn't matter, I was never a cybertronic man (might have been because of the minis) I liked Bauhaus and Capitol. To be honest I was always hoping they would come out with a soviet type faction Red Star.

What's more expensive than GW or FW ???? $4 a miniature
Lets see:
My Squad of 10 DKK cost me £36 that is 56 usd... Work out math by your self.
And just to compare with GW I paid yesterday for 5 raptors £20 = 31 USD ....

Just go troll somewhere else.

Man, you just love the troll word! DKK are not GW direct that's forgeworld! Sure you can pick raptors, how many pieces on each raptor, there are 116 pieces per box! I'll compare these to guard, pretty static 5 piece plastic models 10 for $29. Hell you get 10 dark eldar for $29 and those have lots of bits, and are pretty dynamic and I think GW prices are absurd! So yeah, $20 for 5 static minis is more expensive than GW.

Before the pure Prussia-fication of Bauhaus in 2nd Edition, there were a lot of Russian influences (alongside French and Italian) in Bauhaus.

And of course the Sons of Rasputin was also present (can't wait to see their update down the line).

No real need for a third faction with Russian influences so long as they bring back Bauhaus's pan-Euro flavour and tone down the be-monacled Prussian bad-guy quotient.

Just go troll somewhere else.

Economy of scale has a lot to do with pricing as well. Going to assume here that Warzone 3 will be more on the high-quality, boutique-miniature level side of design and distribution at first.

Assuming a level of success, maybe if they partner with WGF and do hard plastic sprues, we'll see War of Spanish Succession style pricing of 36 guys for $20.

 judgedoug wrote:

Assuming a level of success, maybe if they partner with WGF and do hard plastic sprues, we'll see War of Spanish Succession style pricing of 36 guys for $20.

Doubt it

Sci Fi dudes usually cost more than historical because of IP and stuff. Look at WGF shock troopers and the dreamforge guys.

Dont really see a problem with price. If you only need like 10-20 guys then you dont need much. Look at Mercs, sure it costs $50-60 for 6 guys but those 6 guys is all you need

Yeah, Warzone is and always has been a skirmish game. I used to play games of it with two 5-man squads and a character and they were a blast. Warzone was awesome because it scaled down really well. But games of 50+ dudes per side were really, really slow. So $20-24 for five guys is just fine for the size. Hell, the 2nd Edition box gave you way to many guys to actually play the game with (40 per side is some kind of mega battle). They are a bit lower on the scale than Games Workshop, close to par for Privateer Press (even a bit under in some cases) and the product they're giving out sounds to be pretty flexible.

A good-sized army can probably be had for less than $100 at those prices (at least under old systems). Price for a game-worthy army is always the important metric to me and if they can keep it to $40-50 for a starter and $100 for a good-sized force, then they are in the sweet spot in my eyes. And since Warzone tends to scale down well (something to do with individual model activation) you can probably get by learning the game on a couple $20 boxes.

I like some their themes a great deal - "tommy helmets" on capital in particular. I just hope they don't do the horrible scale things they seemed to have done in the past. And not making every figure a catachan with a different gun would help. I have enough roid rage figures at the moment. The zombies seem Ok though.

Oh I likey the new stuff already, new life to Warzone!

 god.ra wrote:


Just go troll somewhere else.

Man, you just love the troll word! DKK are not GW direct that's forgeworld! Sure you can pick raptors, how many pieces on each raptor, there are 116 pieces per box! I'll compare these to guard, pretty static 5 piece plastic models 10 for $29. Hell you get 10 dark eldar for $29 and those have lots of bits, and are pretty dynamic and I think GW prices are absurd! So yeah, $20 for 5 static minis is more expensive than GW.

You started with Forgeworld, how may of these cheap guardsman you'll need to play a game?

Old warzone was about 20 minis so lets assume 100 Usd to play nice 3-4 h skirmish game... And how much poits/value you'll get with GW for 100 USD???
Equivalent army in GW damaged my wallet for £200+ = 320 usd
Stop trolling.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Basing the cost of figures by how many you need in a game, is ridiculous.

GW does that all the time and so do other companies, like PP. This is especially notable in case of special/elite choices in GW armies that cost significant more than core/troops despite usually having a negligible amount of extra materials used in the production process.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Nothing I have seen so far justifies $4 a miniature.

Metal/Resin Miniatures?

As I said, look at Mercs. Sure some people call it ridiculous but I think game wise it is a fair price

Actually, how much you are likely to sell to someone should also be factored in to something's cost. If you can expect to sell a handful of a unit to each customer and are expecting a certain demand, then you set you price to make sure that you can turn a profit from those expectations. Manufacturing costs, development, material, and quality all factor in to it. But demands and the likelihood of moving a set amount of product also factor in to it.

This is why large-scale army games (like Mantic's stuff) tend to sell figures at ~$1 per figure, and why Infinity and other small skirmish charge $9-10 for each figure. It's why individual characters tend to get costed higher than a similarly made group of figures that you buy more of. If an army is going to be made up of 20-30 guys, then selling them at a buck a pop only works if you can either expect a lot of buyers (not happening for a start-up wargame), especially if you aren't expecting a lot of people to hop to new factions from the get go. It means that each customer ends up netting you $20-30 plus, maybe, a rulebook (which tend to have a much lower return). How many customers do you need to pay for all of that expensive plastic production? Probably quite a few at $30 a person, and even at $60 it may be a bit iffy.

But with, say, Dream Forge or Mantic, they are making stand-ins for games that may require someone to buy 100+ guys. So they will likely see orders large enough to break even sooner (that and they are a pre-established company).

For a new company, doing a small skirmish game and actually delivering plastic. $20 for 5 guys is not a horrible price. And who knows, maybe a Kickstarter can push the price down if they go that route. But S20 for 5 guys is not nearly GW prices, hell, it's barely Privateer Press prices. Again, not as huge an issue as you seem to be making it.

I remember doing the math when Excelsior had the WZ license (2003-2006) and their figures averaged to about $4.50 a figure. I forget if I was calculating that for Canadian or American, but I'm sure of that because I wrote a big piece on a blog about the actual costs of various miniatures games.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Stuff I agree with.

As Ronin said price is not a clear cut thing as more than just the cost of creating the miniature is involved. I won't care about higher prices per miniature when compared with GW as long as two things are true with this revival 1)The new stuff connects with the original WZ. What totally killed FF game for me was the change in scale and the looks, when a Venusian Ranger doesn't look like a Venusian Ranger that's not WZ to me. 2) The skirmish side of the game. WZ was always about a couple squads and some heroes, 300 to 500 pts, if I wanted to play assault on San Dorado I can do that with 40K that deals with masses of troops better than WZ.

M.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Nothing I have seen so far justifies $4 a miniature.

If you're going to compare costs, do not compare resin to injection molded plastic.

Games Workshop charges $20 for a finecast resin miniature. If these are $4 for resin miniatures, then they are indeed significantly cheaper than Games Workshop.

Economy of scale has a lot to do with pricing as well. Going to assume here that Warzone 3 will be more on the high-quality, boutique-miniature level side of design and distribution at first.

That might justify $4 miniatures, sure.

Sure many of the smaller skirmish games have miniatures that are worth a premium. They are very detailed and each one gets the love and care dedicated to a character model. Take MERCS or Infinity for example. Each miniature design is basically a one off work of art. These however have the look and feel of rank and file troops with pretty static poses and not a whole lot of variety, only subtle differences between the 5 in a box. So again I'm not seeing the justification of $4 a model here.

There are too many companies right now using state of the art technology to make great and affordable miniatures, I really think if the new warzone is going to survive they need to look at a better business model.

GW does that all the time and so do other companies, like PP. This is especially notable in case of special/elite choices in GW armies that cost significant more than core/troops despite usually having a negligible amount of extra materials used in the production process.

Are we really going to look at GW practices as the way companies should model themselves? PP is just as bad with their pricing.

If you're going to compare costs, do not compare resin to injection molded plastic.

Games Workshop charges $20 for a finecast resin miniature. If these are $4 for resin miniatures, then they are indeed significantly cheaper than Games Workshop.

Again just because GW finecast is stupid expensive, that does not justify anything. Mantic works in restic and doesn't charge nearly as much. I just got Sedition wars, and got some nice restic models for about $1 a piece.

I'm not a fan of resin or restic really. The technology is there to create detailed affordable, muliti part, multi pose plastic. Use it!

But with, say, Dream Forge or Mantic, they are making stand-ins for games that may require someone to buy 100+ guys. So they will likely see orders large enough to break even soone

Dreamforge and Mantic have or soon will have their own systems. People will use the stuff in other systems because its cost effective and looks good. If Warzone produces good mini at a good price people will do the same thing and use them in other systems, creating an additional market for the figures. Plus I would love to see the look of panic on GW face when people in mass start using ducal militia instead of guardsmen.....the ultimate sign that GW needs to rethink their practices.

I think its very short sighted and a bad strategy to hope that warzone alone sells enough botique miniatures. Make them so good that people want to use them in other systems. The market is there, exploit it, everyone else is. Plus it's free advertising!
"What are those miniatures your using for guard, they are pretty cool!"
"They are my Bauhaus Ducal Militia from Warzone, haven't you played that yet, it's awesome!" I've actually has this conversation a number of times.


If some guy, without a game system, basically running a company out of his garage can do this, then the warzone guys really need to look at this and decide if they really want to invest in their project. I can order a box of twenty for $33 from the warstore. I got 60 of them for $80 in the kickstarter.

The Spanish player community is very excited about this new project. We want to force your arrival and triumph.

Our community and forum Mutant Chronicles Spain (Mutant Chronicles España) is at your disposal for anything you need in our country.

welcome! For the Cardinal!

Talking about cost per figure, will there be a starter box? but looking at the designs it will be Cybertronic and Dark legion (i was hoping for Imperial!)

I think one of the problems with warzone was that they had to make so many miniatures lines, that were very similar. Take for example, Capital. They had light troops, heavy troops, free marines, sea lions, scorpions, sunset strikers and martian banshees just to name a few. That is a hell of a lot of lines to produce and keep track of, and that's just the infantry, for one army! These were all pretty much the same miniatures wise, they basically just had some minor but distinct differences, mostly helmet and equipment swaps, sometimes different shoulderpads and grieves. Which was fine as troops from each faction should have a vary similar aesthetic.

They did try to make them more different in 3rd ed but most of those were fail! The new light troops and rangers did not even feel like capitol troops, dusters and ranger hats just did not fit with the rest of the Capitol aesthetic.

Instead of making a bunch of individual sculpts just make a good multipose plastic kit or two with all the options and gribbles. It would save tons of development and production costs, plus you have economy of scale working for you. You also have the whole line launched basically at once instead of people having to wait years for each factions 10 different sets of infantry.

Even GW realized it was too expensive and wasteful to do models using that style. Its why they went from 6 different imperial guard armies down to just 2. With warzone, its even worse because each player is probably only going to buy one, possibly two boxes of each kind of infantry squad for their faction. However if you make 10 man kits with gubbins for all the options you can now sell 6 or 7 of the same kit. One kit, one box, one production line, one line of inventory for basic infantry kits for each faction....Its a huge savings. Sell it for $20 or $25.

This is essentially how I made my Bauhaus army. I didn't like most of the miniatures produced for the Bauhaus line, plus the ones I did like were very hard to find. So I used the Ducal militia and just green stuffed and head swapped them all. I used necron heads for Venusian rangers and green stuffed the grieves. I used Void Junkers heads, various bits and green stuff for the Jaegers and blitzers. I used the Spacewolf wolfhead for the wolf head dragoons. I used the ducal militia sergeant heads for strike commandos. I used the ducal milita heavy head for Hussars.

Is it perfect, no, but for mix matched components it looks pretty good. If they were all designed for the kit it would have worked fine. And if the original Ducal militia kit was truly multi pose, I'm sure I could have done a lot more. So a purpose built kit could do this job pretty well. It really only takes some minor swaps to make the different infantry units.

Save the restic for character models and beasties.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

They did try to make them more different in 3rd ed but most of those were fail! The new light troops and rangers did not even feel like capitol troops, dusters and ranger hats just did not fit with the rest of the Capitol aesthetic.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Most everyone I know thought the dusters and ranger hats were a HUGE improvement over the baseball caps and football helmets that made up the previous aesthetic.

 warboss wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

They did try to make them more different in 3rd ed but most of those were fail! The new light troops and rangers did not even feel like capitol troops, dusters and ranger hats just did not fit with the rest of the Capitol aesthetic.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Most everyone I know thought the dusters and ranger hats were a HUGE improvement over the baseball caps and football helmets that made up the previous aesthetic.

The rangers were just bad addition to the line, as they did not replace the football helmets, this did and it was better than both.



Which were not great.

Although I still think these were the best



The ranger gear was just as bad as the football helmets if not worse. At least the football helmets were just the helmets, the whole uniforms on the duster/ rangers was terrible. They did not match with the free marines, sea lions, heavy troopers or really any of the other Capitol stuff. Capitol had a more modern military feel. The dusters and ranger hats looked just as ridiculous as the football helmets and were an attempt to bring in that ww1 aesthetic that some of the other armies had, but it worked for the others, Capitol not so much.

And please make martian banshees that look like this

and not this


Most of the 3rd ed remakes were really bad. With the exception of the Bauhaus dragoons and etolis mortant and a few others.

Guys, I just wanted to say that although Andrew brings up some interesting points on models regarding producing them to be played in the systems of others. We want to produce models for warzone primarily and hence have a warzone game too. Consider this, everyone can buy cheap models from garage manufacturers at a fraction of the cost they can from the people that designed the game (and invested significantly in it)! Taking this to the extreme why even buy models, use 1 cent coins or tokens, that will save lots of money. If we as a gaming community want just 1 big company and a lot of ripoff companies then Andrews approach is right. But if you want rules and a game system to enjoy from us, the big guys or any of the small companies cherish them (obviously assuming you feel you are getting value for money)

Prodos doesn't want to be a rip off company, instead a company that makes amazing models of amazing quality that have the Warzone feel but for the 21st century. They will be priced appropriately (again you can probably buy knock of Jack Daniels if you want) but again not to rip the customer off (where's the business sense in that). If people want to use tokens and pirated rules I'm sure they will and good luck to them. As gamers ourselves, Prodos would rather play great games with awesome miniatures

Lots more to come, we hope you enjoy them all! We are!

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Most of the 3rd ed remakes were really bad. With the exception of the Bauhaus dragoons and etolis mortant and a few others.

I think you mean 2nd ed. re-makes, as 3rd ed was done by Excelsior and they only put out a handful of models.

Though on the larger point of what you said, I think you and I will have to agree to disagree .

Is it not just a little early to be complaining about the material these will be made of? Especially since I don't believe it's actually been mentioned yet?

Also, white Hard Plastic is indeed awesome, people should probably stop pointing to Dreamforge as their example all of the time. As amazing as Mark's achievement is, he had the backing, support and infrastructure of Wargames Factory. This (which will apparently be surprising news to some people) is actually a little more complex than just asking them to make your models for you, please, kthx bai.

I'm keen to see the finished product. And when I do, if I think it's subpar or poor value, I'll be more than happy to share my opinion. I'm just not getting too concerned (or bent out of shape) until I see something a lot more substantial than a few CG renders.

Prodos wrote:
Guys, I just wanted to say that although Andrew brings up some interesting points on models regarding producing them to be played in the systems of others. We want to produce models for warzone primarily and hence have a warzone game too. Consider this, everyone can buy cheap models from garage manufacturers at a fraction of the cost they can from the people that designed the game (and invested significantly in it)! Taking this to the extreme why even buy models, use 1 cent coins or tokens, that will save lots of money. If we as a gaming community want just 1 big company and a lot of ripoff companies then Andrews approach is right. But if you want rules and a game system to enjoy from us, the big guys or any of the small companies cherish them (obviously assuming you feel you are getting value for money)

Prodos doesn't want to be a rip off company, instead a company that makes amazing models of amazing quality that have the Warzone feel but for the 21st century. They will be priced appropriately (again you can probably buy knock of Jack Daniels if you want) but again not to rip the customer off (where's the business sense in that). If people want to use tokens and pirated rules I'm sure they will and good luck to them. As gamers ourselves, Prodos would rather play great games with awesome miniatures

Lots more to come, we hope you enjoy them all! We are!

I was about to write something along these lines. I cannot agree more with what you write.

I am excited with the resurrection of WZ, because I loved WZ and want a chance to enjoy the game again. So, I want minis that work for WZ and NOT some cheap generic sci-fi troops to use in 40k. I have not seen anyone demanding from PP minis that are compatible with other sci-fi systems. Why should PRODOS Games do this for WZ, a game with a background and history richer than anything in the marker apart from 40k?

Personally, I got really interested when I saw these news, but by now my enthusiasm has grown to levels difficult to control I mean WZ is coming back, the guys that release it update us daily and are eager to respond promptly to the feedback from the community, not to mention amazing sculpts so far at prices that -for me- look like a steal. I mean, is there a reason not to be excited!?

@Prodos: Can we expect to see any time soon some heavy/power-armoured infantry?

You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

Prodos wrote:
You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

I have indeed, but I was hoping for some renders instead of just bits and concept art. What if I ask nicely? Please?

praetor24 wrote:

Prodos wrote:
You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

I have indeed, but I was hoping for some renders instead of just bits and concept art. What if I ask nicely? Please?

Soon!

Prodos wrote:

praetor24 wrote:

Prodos wrote:
You may have seen [bits of] them already on this forum or the facebook like page or forum group!!!!

I have indeed, but I was hoping for some renders instead of just bits and concept art. What if I ask nicely? Please?

Soon!

Soon can't be soon enough

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Are we really going to look at GW practices as the way companies should model themselves?

Yes, because pricing your product in relation to projected sales volume is something that companies do and for good reasons. We could argue that GW is taking the mick with the actual prices but the idea is not ridiculous in the slightest.

don't rly understand, WZ is coming back, and its business not charity...


If i got my new WZ full army for 100 USD that is still 2-3 times cheaper than 1 GW army!

Just give them chance, let see what the price is going to be, how many models you will need for nice army...

Guys we have to support them... I dont want them to get WZ-cursed ! I think if WZ die this time it will die forever.!

If they can even pull off even half of what they had going before the purge, That will be a step in the right direction.

We're not even talking about some of the great stuff they had years ahead of it's time...

As to the price issue, There is no issue if you can pull off a halfway decent miniatures multiparted plastic box set without a 50 buck pricetag for 5.

If you can't, well....

It's not about it being a business. Its about not being clueless and actually wanting players and agreeable product to sell. Those two running the troll machine are missing the point.

Those figures were ahead of thier time. The beuty of the game was the sheer veriety of figures they had available. Weapons, vehicles, equipment, books....

It only took GW 15-18 years to figure it out.

I'm honestly interested in what you have to offer. Hope to see something I like and I hope to see something worth my time.

 god.ra wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Not really a fan of those. I always thought cybertonics basic soldiers would just look like tech advanced humans with a few bionics and advanced weaponry, these are just too much, and I hate the shirtless thing, it doesn't make sense to me.

another troll?

they are replacing this ones:

http://shop.princeaugust.ie/warzone-mutant-chronicles-wargame/cybertronic-mega-corporation/tg9508pb-warzone-cybertronic-chasseurs-4-figures/

... IP rights? Rings the bell?

Why do you keep calling everyone a troll just because they don't agree with the general consensus? To express ones opinion isn't trolling just because it differs from others?

I know how the chasseur-minis used to look like (and i hated TG for it) but I'm not so sure those gorillas TG made back in the 90's were what chasseurs was meant to look like, just like the "Imperial Hedgehog Necromower" didn't quite look like the concept art (which was really cool in a mad max kind of way, not the mini though). Chasseurs could, given the fluff, have many different appearances but I do believe they were meant to wear body armor apart from their "build in" armor and I believe that would look cooler as well (why would the megacorporation with least manpower send soldiers out in the field without proper protection). Why not make them more like the shock troopers, those were awesome?

 Andrew1975 wrote:

If you're going to compare costs, do not compare resin to injection molded plastic.

Games Workshop charges $20 for a finecast resin miniature. If these are $4 for resin miniatures, then they are indeed significantly cheaper than Games Workshop.

Again just because GW finecast is stupid expensive, that does not justify anything. Mantic works in restic and doesn't charge nearly as much. I just got Sedition wars, and got some nice restic models for about $1 a piece.
I'm not a fan of resin or restic really. The technology is there to create detailed affordable, muliti part, multi pose plastic. Use it!

Mantic's restic models range from $2.50 apiece (wraiths) to $3.50 (gore riders) to $6 (Dreadball MVP's). Restic is cheaper to manufacture than resin.

Scibor resin miniatures are about $9 for an infantry model. Games workshop resin miniatures are about $20 for an infantry model. Mierce Miniatures are about $16 for an infantry model.

Metal/pewter miniatures can be anywhere from $5 apiece to $15 or more (Avatars of War, some Reaper figures).

Sedition Wars metal miniature are actually on average $15 for a human sized model.

So $4 to $5 for a resin infantry model is quite good.

Injection plastic model can certainly be very cheap - pennies worth of material. Then the company can charge whatever they want (ranging from Wargames Factory at $2 for a sprue to GW at $42.50 for a sprue). But it involves a much greater investment for the manufacture of steel molds. Don't assume every company is Dreamforge - Dreamforge ran a successful Kickstarter that only paid for a small portion and now WGF are part-owners of the company and Mark has a very large debt to be paid off with each sale of a Dreamforge kit.

So we've got a new company producing Warzone with an unknown quantity of capital - do they dump $10k to make a sprue of 5 Chasseurs that will probably have an MSRP of $14.99 or just do 3D printed resin and sell 'em for $20-$25?

Right now Warzone will be having another another rebirth with some hardcore fans clamoring for it but mostly an untested market.

This is actually one of the only good reasons I've heard for Kickstarting something... see if the marketplace actually wants it. Not a preorder, but see what level of interest there would be to perhaps actually make plastic kits of Legionairres and Chasseurs, etc.

Just to clarify the editions of Warzone:

1st: produced by Heartbreaker Hobbies in the early/mid 90s

2nd: Produced by Target Games in the late 90s, this edition had the big box with 80 plastic troops and many new resculpts of 1st edition models

3rd: Excelsior re-released the old models and a new rulebook titled Ultimate Warzone this is in the mid 2000s

4th: Prodos completely starting from scratch for models and releasing the game as Warzone Resurrection in 2013

 scipio.au wrote:
Is it not just a little early to be complaining about the material these will be made of? Especially since I don't believe it's actually been mentioned yet?

Quite agreed. No matter how many times the WZ dudes post, they're still keeping the material under wraps so it could be anything really

The miniatures are going to have to be completely re-done for this game to have any chance of success in today's market.

By all means, base them off of the earlier designs - but they can't look much like them, please!

"Inspired by", yes!

I can't comment on the ruleset, or how the game played though...

I'm very excited for the possibility of playing a new version of Warzone.

This was the first TTG I ever played, and I have a substantial collection of Imperial and Bauhaus miniatures (both "1st" and "2nd" edition).

The renders shown so far look fantastic. I cannot stress how much I hope the renders for Imperial and Bauhaus retain the "WW1 in Space" aesthetic.

I really want WZ to work. Don't take it the wrong way. But looking at the cybertronic and undead legionnaires, I'm underwhelmed. Both renders are of very stiff looking miniatures, they convey no action or movement and are all just variations of the same guy, they are all just standing there. Now hopefully these are just design mock ups, not what the actual produced models will look like.

There is so much competition right now, there is even a new Rouge trooper, platoon sized game coming out soon! Looking at what I have seen I can only see some really hardcore WZ fans picking these up. There has got to be a real reason for not just old WZ fans to pick these up. You have to give people a reason to buy these, currently I don't see it at any price point, much less $4 a model.

That being said the renders do look very detailed. But there is just not enough variety in them. The legionnaires look to have 2 sets of legs that are exactly the same except for boots and bandages, but they are all the same exact pose, which is the I'm just standing here pose. Same with the cybertronic guys, there seams to be 2 legs one with straight legs and one with legs slightly apart, the rest is just them with different heads and holding guns in different completely non threatening ways.

So please please please, show me something that gives me hope that this is actually going to work.

Infinity has miniatures at $10+ a model and they have no problem selling miniatures... Even with a really complicated rule set and unclear/poorly mapped rule book.

Even with an increased price people still port the miniatures into other games. Why? Because they think it looks cool. Just because miniatures aren't $1 or less a piece doesn't mean a game will flop.

You want cheap miniatures you already know there is a market for that and you know exactly where to go to get them. The renders are definite improvements over the old miniatures.

For those of you interested we have a like page and group on Facebook. Search on FB Warzone resurrection)
For those that aren't into FB don't worry we'll still post on here as well!

Prodos wrote:
For those of you interested we have a like page and group on Facebook. Search on FB Warzone resurrection)
For those that aren't into FB don't worry we'll still post on here as well!

Thanks for this assurance!

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 Andrew1975 wrote:
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And please make martian banshees that look like this

Most of the 3rd ed remakes were really bad. With the exception of the Bauhaus dragoons and etolis mortant and a few others.

Amen to both!

1st edition Banshees were OK, but to get some faithful to the artwork would be great indeed!

(And yes I am still proud of my Banshees!!!)

cerealkiller195 wrote:
Infinity has miniatures at $10+ a model and they have no problem selling miniatures... Even with a really complicated rule set and unclear/poorly mapped rule book.

Even with an increased price people still port the miniatures into other games. Why? Because they think it looks cool. Just because miniatures aren't $1 or less a piece doesn't mean a game will flop.

You want cheap miniatures you already know there is a market for that and you know exactly where to go to get them. The renders are definite improvements over the old miniatures.

Sure, but look at the miniatures for Infinity or Mercs, they are pretty amazing, these are not. Unless you want an army of guys just kind of standing around. They can charge whatever they want, but there has to be some kind of justification for $4 or $10 models. I'm just not seeing it here.

Are they improvements? They are certainly more detailed and in proportion ill give them that, but the poses (the single pose may be more appropriate) are terrible and all almost exactly the same. I mean Protos listed what options the kits will come with, I can see all those options in the renders, yet all the miniatures are in the same erect standing there pose. It would be one thing if at least the one pose was interesting, but its not. If your going to just make one pose, at least make it interesting, these guys look like union workers on a break! I wouldn't pay anything for what I've seen so far because there are better miniatures out there at $2 and at $4 there are miniatures that blow these away.

The only cool factor I'm seeing here is that they are WZ, and that is not enough.

AAN wrote

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Hmm, $4.80-ish per fig for proper multi-part plastic that one can actually pose? In a skirmish game? That's damn reasonable. Certainly cheap enough for me to pick up a new box or twelve.

Agreed. The fact that its skirmish level will allow me to get into it. Wife and I are finishing 40k armies, and thats enough $$ in itself, so another army scale game would be no good. However theres always room for another skirmish game.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Sure, but look at the miniatures for Infinity or Mercs, they are pretty amazing, these are not. Unless you want an army of guys just kind of standing around. They can charge whatever they want, but there has to be some kind of justification for $4 or $10 models. I'm just not seeing it here.

I think, after 500 posts with basically the same content, based on 2 preview pics, we all got your point. No need to repeat it in another 500 posts.

The more I think about it, the less excited I get. Not because of anything Prodos is doing, but because of the track record of Warzone. Since the game is produced based on a license, even if the game is sucessful, the owner of the IP (Paradox, if memory serves correct) can just yank the plug and move in whatever direction they want (depending on the way contracts are set up). I think this is what happened when they moved from 1st to 2nd edition.

I hope the rules are great and I hope the models are great too, but I'll refrain from excitement as long as I can in hopes that Prodos can make something good and not have the rug pulled out from under them.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Sure, but look at the miniatures for Infinity or Mercs, they are pretty amazing, these are not. Unless you want an army of guys just kind of standing around. They can charge whatever they want, but there has to be some kind of justification for $4 or $10 models. I'm just not seeing it here.

I think, after 500 posts with basically the same content, based on 2 preview pics, we all got your point. No need to repeat it in another 500 posts.

+1

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Sure, but look at the miniatures for Infinity or Mercs, they are pretty amazing, these are not. Unless you want an army of guys just kind of standing around. They can charge whatever they want, but there has to be some kind of justification for $4 or $10 models. I'm just not seeing it here.

I think, after 500 posts with basically the same content, based on 2 preview pics, we all got your point. No need to repeat it in another 500 posts.

Naw dawg, lemme explain to you in greater detail how in my opinion it's not worth four bucks and they should have 25mm bases and stats published for use in 40k

 bbb wrote:
The more I think about it, the less excited I get. Not because of anything Prodos is doing, but because of the track record of Warzone. Since the game is produced based on a license, even if the game is sucessful, the owner of the IP (Paradox, if memory serves correct) can just yank the plug and move in whatever direction they want (depending on the way contracts are set up). I think this is what happened when they moved from 1st to 2nd edition.

I hope the rules are great and I hope the models are great too, but I'll refrain from excitement as long as I can in hopes that Prodos can make something good and not have the rug pulled out from under them.

The more Prodos shows the less nervous I am actually. In the Target/Heartbreaker days Warzone died despite its success due to some peculiarities of Swedish bankruptcy law. Basically a failure in one division of a very large company (and the parent company was in to everything from game development to missiles from what I remember) caused everything to implode. Only Paradox made it out alive. Basically had Warzone been part of a US or UK company, this may not have happened. Either way, it was wildly popular and died in spite of that due to a particular way bankruptcy got handled in its country of origin. That's grounds for a curse, I suppose, but I don't go in for superstition much. Just a spot of bad luck (that will be hard to repeat because they are a UK company now).

Excelsior, well, I can kind of see why Paradox pulled the plug. It was basically a fan project that gave us little new material outside of a new take on the background. It didn't dazzle us with new pieces of professional concept art, it only barely started showing off greens for new models, it took years to develop the books. Paradox could have let it run for years and it probably wouldn't go anywhere. I remember that shortly after the crash the creator of UWZ promised to release all of the un-released source-book material (serial numbers filed off and all), and nothing ever came of it. It's understandable of course, Excelsior was 1-2 guys going it on their own, they simply couldn't do all the work required to fully reboot a darling of the 90's.

The less said about FFG's reboot, the better, that a couple of guys did a better job than a large company says quite a bit (and looking at Dust... I have to wonder why they didn't just make MC/WZ their flagship minis game instead of a 54mm boardgame with some of the worst rules I've ever had the poor luck to play).

But Prodos have been putting their best foot forward. They aren't acting like a little garage-developer. They are showing professional-level work that I would expect out of a proper company. And unlike the last proper company to get their hands on it, they are treating it in the way that worked for Target, as a property and not a sacred cow. So long as they keep this up and deliver on their promises then I can't see why Paradox would pull the plug. Prodos is actually moving forward with the property rather than trying to piece together all the left-over bits. And I say this even as UWZ (though I suppose naming something Ultimate is a bit on the nose) is my favourite edition of all time. But it took way to long to make and held up Excelsior for too long. Prodos are doing things the right way, not trying to recycle old eras but forging a new one. This is what the game needs to thrive again.

I admit that I was skittish when the first sneak peak showed up and all we had was a teaser trailer, but now that they have shown off full 3D models used for production, beautiful concept art, actual production mock-ups and let on that they are already in the later stages of play-testing; well, many of my fears of this being another vanity-press project in the making have been laid to rest. They could still fail, of course, but this is the best showing that Warzone has made since Target died.

Hmm, interesting, but I'll certainly need to see more. I'm always game when a skirmish game provides a lot of little details for weapons. I just hope it is easy enough to remember after a game or two. I'm also interested to see which version of the weapon system you went with. UWZ had some great bits, but part of me is still partial to 1st Edition's simplicity (and I really hope not 2nd Edition, way to much to remember).

Edit - And it also occurs to me the UWZ tried something similar with its weaponry (I actually kind of liked it). Hmm, colour me intrigued.

also some chasseurs poses you can make:

Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

Show us more minis Exalted One! Can't wait!!

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

If the minis look good though, wouldn't you rather buy them quick rather than wait... so even if they get the "rug pulled out from under them" you still get those potentially awesome minis?

Just playing devil's advocate here.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

I concur, bring on the Bauhaus and Imperial. I need picklehaube and gas masks!

My Space Wolves cant wait for new Wolf Headed Dragoons

I already own a few dozen and I can't wait to have more (especially well-proportioned ones!). Always a big fan of the Order of the Wolf and standard Dragoons from 1st Edition (and bring back the Kampfkanone!).

 Kroothawk wrote:

 bbb wrote:
Alright, you've sold me. Best version of the chasseurs I've seen yet

I miss the "pew pew" on the pic

BTW I think it is time to show a normal soldier, by e.g. Capitol, Bauhaus or Imperials, not just cyber/daemon thingies.

Working on this one

Working on this one

Aaah! The excitment!

Is it just me, or does anyone else thinks the model in the picture looks like it is doing some funky dance moves?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
also some chasseurs poses you can make:

Presumably they are wrestling with the complex Shoebox Shoulderpad matrix?

Would be neat to see this make a go of it. Squad level Sci-fi gaming seems like it has a lot of room for some companies to bust in and grab some market share right now.

The only real complaint that I have is that in both the legionaries and Chasseurs have very static legs. The armatures posted above for example have only minor variations of the 'astride' stance.

Palindrome wrote:
The only real complaint that I have is that in both the legionaries and Chasseurs have very static legs. The armatures posted above for example have only minor variations of the 'astride' stance.

I think they mentioned 3 leg options? If that pose sampler shows two of them and the third is in motion in some way I think they've covered what they can. 1 in 3 being kneeling for instance would be too much, so they are a bit limited if they intend every part of the kit to be useable (ie not having a fourth set of legs for variety but only enough bodies/arms for three models).

@palindrome there is no variation in the astride legs in the picture, they are all labelled as leg type number 3.




Bloody ninja's *grumble grumble*

Oh wait, I see Leg 2 labeled in there. Oh well.

There are three legs, together(1), stepping forward(2) and astride(3) its just 3 gets repeated several times.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
There are three legs, together(1), stepping forward(2) and astride(3) its just 3 gets repeated several times.

Right. Leg 1 and 2 appear to be identical though, which is why I thought there might be a third mystery leg until I saw that 1, 2 and 3 were labeled.

I think it may be the angles. Legs1 are close together and look to be slowly advancing forward, Legs2 are further apart and look to be bracing to fire. I'd need to see more angles of each though. I guess they are missing a running and kneeling option, but I don't think that's really bad. You also don't want too many really dynamic leg poses because it can actually make the samey-ness of only having 2-3 leg variants more noticeable. More reserved leg poses takes focus off of the legs and upper bodies tend to be more varied with head/chest/arms to combo. Since legs usually tend to be one solid piece going too varied on them can make it easy to spot duplicates in a unit. But one or two optional, dynamic legs never go amiss so long as they aren't a forced choice (thus always having 1-in-5 guys kneeling).

But if you are looking to cut down on extraneous bits on the sprue, then going with reserved leg poses is a good strategy to create the illusion of variety.

look what you can do just with 2 types of legs:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/mk3-4.jpg

is ther notmissing a pic in the begining the skeletons for cybertronic??

 Nicklas_danielsson wrote:
is ther notmissing a pic in the begining the skeletons for cybertronic??

Everything's looking great so far! I hope we get to see the new Imperials soon! I need new references

Wow! Dig those skele-bots. Those old sculpts weren't too bad, certainly a contender with Necrons. I hope we see more of the "throwback-moving forward" aesthetic through inspiration. Keep up the good work guys!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
also some chasseurs poses you can make:

sonehow i find these very intriguing... they remind me of A.I.M. footsoldiers...now there is an idea of a cool IG army...

I was thinking an army of Scud the Disposable Assassins myself

lol....sometimes the companies could make a fortune by using the simplest ideas^^

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
@palindrome there is no variation in the astride legs in the picture, they are all labelled as leg type number 3.

They are labelled L 1-3. Leg 1 and leg 2 look identical though so that may well be a mistake.

Legs are a vital component of a miniture as most of its 'movement' comes from its stance. Something like the Chasseurs could get away with being quite static (as has been shown) but Legionnaries need something a lot more dynamic, or at least varied, certainly more so than was shown in the renders a couple of days ago.

Minis that you attach the legs to for different stances, and same for arms? nice!

I am always surprised about how quick some people are to criticize miniatures that they have not seen. I for once find nothing "static" or "wrong" in these minis. Or at least, I find them no more static than miniatures from other companies.

As for the poses held at stock for the upcoming releases, check the concept art Prodos has posted here and on their facebook page.

Ooh, liking the early shot of the Attilla III up on the FB site. Definite Attilla features on it with a bit of ABC Warriors flair to it. Can't wait to see it in a more finished state (and more than just the head).

And besides, those are basic troops. Show me Space Marine in one hundred positions

 kenshin620 wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
Is it not just a little early to be complaining about the material these will be made of? Especially since I don't believe it's actually been mentioned yet?

Quite agreed. No matter how many times the WZ dudes post, they're still keeping the material under wraps so it could be anything really

Prodos has unlocked the secrets of Finecast.

You heard it here first.

There are some great new posts in their fcbk page. Man, I haven't felt that excited for a really long time!

Vote on the new heads for the new Attilas, I am really, really, really pleased to see WZ making a comeback, and not the abomination FFG did

1st and 3rd look amazing. 1st looks closer i think to original attilas; but i think the 3rd looks the best.

I like the first one best. Nothing can beat nostalgia and "classicism"

Warzone ... My 'first love'..
Amazing rules, poor models.

Now it's time to change this !!!!
WZ will rule the world

When You show as some Ladies eg. Mourning wolves ?

I'm Yours now, but if models will be look almost like concepts art i will say to GW Thanks and all my money are Yours.

Cheers
DGB

DaGreenBoy wrote:
Warzone ... My 'first love'..
Amazing rules, poor models.

Now it's time to change this !!!!
WZ will rule the world

When You show as some Ladies eg. Mourning wolves ?

I'm Yours now, but if models will be look almost like concepts art i will say to GW Thanks and all my money are Yours.

Cheers
DGB

+1 to this !!!

The new attila actually kicks ass! And the necromutant looks really promising as well!

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Vote on the new heads for the new Attilas, I am really, really, really pleased to see WZ making a comeback, and not the abomination FFG did

Pic for the lazy

I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

 warboss wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Plus, a lot of the old models look like they should be dumped in something a lot stronger than Simple Green!

 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Plus, a lot of the old models look like they should be dumped in something a lot stronger than Simple Green!

I find Pinesol works well, that and and old toothbrush

 warboss wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

yeah, but we haven't seen the new models yet, and since they said the old models would still work I could be up and running with the game pretty quickly if I got around to repainting my older, unfinished models by the time the rules are released.

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Plus, a lot of the old models look like they should be dumped in something a lot stronger than Simple Green!

I find Pinesol works well, that and and old toothbrush

In regards to the likely joke about look of the old models, I believe Alpharius is referring to something more akin to a volcano than an alternative cleaning solution.

hmm, now I know why they not aiming at OLD customers as they will just play with their old cr...y models...

well I'll spend my CASH on new stuff just to make sure they survive on this mad miniatures market :0 every cent helps!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Sweet! Is that a mystic or one of those elite-troopers?

 warboss wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 bbb wrote:
I really need to dig up my old models and dump them in simple green...

I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Plus, a lot of the old models look like they should be dumped in something a lot stronger than Simple Green!

I find Pinesol works well, that and and old toothbrush

In regards to the likely joke about look of the old models, I believe Alpharius is referring to something more akin to a volcano than an alternative cleaning solution.

Yeah, that's what I was aiming for!

All kidding aside, the latest models look to be a lot more in line with Today's Expectations - so we should be OK.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

I've became hopelessly addicted to those little snippets of renders and prints so a concept sketch, no matter how good (and this IS good) is just not enough.

I can't remember what was the last time I was that excited about a game...

Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

Very exciting! Back in the day Warzone (and Doomtrooper) was popular here in Czech Republic, would be nice to see it played again. Also, any company that could potentially compete with GW deserves support.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Yep, Head #1 for that Cybertronic render is my fave, followed by #3 and #2, #4 looks a bit necrotechy.

I can't wait to (re) join the Brotherhood!

Around here back in the day the most popular was Bauhaus and Imperial by far. Capitals were noticed on the table when they were resculpted from baseball hats and football helmets.

#1 seems a little on the Necron, sorry, nose.
I like #3 in a retro sort of way and number #2 in general.

No1 was more looking old A.B.C. warriors to me(Got to read them when stationed in Germany, bought the graphic novels.
#3, almost Cylon like




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Ah, I will need to get lots of silver and blue paint for my Cybetronic/Robocop like scheme,.

 god.ra wrote:
hmm, now I know why they not aiming at OLD customers as they will just play with their old cr...y models...

well I'll spend my CASH on new stuff just to make sure they survive on this mad miniatures market :0 every cent helps!

Some of the old models were decent, and some were quite good. Sure, it was sometimes a challenge to find the decent to good ones amongst the crap, but such was the "cost" of playing Warzone. Along with not using "good" units because their models were awful (for me, anyway). They pretty much are aiming at the old customers though - they're the majority of the ones who give more than a crap about the new game. "New" customers have a lot more to choose from these days. Without the older guys and their nostalgia for the game, Warzone is just another also-ran that died well over a decade ago.

Be less trollish and needlessly fanboi-ish, perhaps?

Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Imperials. Plus some units from Capitol (Light Infantry, Rangers, Sharks) and to a lesser extent Mishima.
But with my luck, the fourth will be Bauhaus.

My friend will love that new concept. He was looking forward to starting up a BHood force. It looks stellar. Wonder what it is. Should make us shoulder-pad lovers happy though.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Imperials. Plus some units from Capitol (Light Infantry, Rangers, Sharks) and to a lesser extent Mishima.
But with my luck, the fourth will be Bauhaus.

Well I can tell you that 2 of your favourites are also my personal favourites. But as for the 4th release I'm sworn to secrecy (for the moment at least)!

Prodos wrote:
Well I can tell you that 2 of your favourites are also my personal favourites. But as for the 4th release I'm sworn to secrecy (for the moment at least)!

Man, I haven't been teased like this since high school!

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

Same here. I liked the nationalistic corporate ones in the game both in style and models.

Forgive me for saying this here but I wish they would revive chronopia too . I feel very happy since I loved warzone and I have tons of bauhaus I never got around to use a lot. Nevertheless I will support this effort and hopefully I am gonna buy a lot of this cool minis

The starters make sense to me in terms of displaying strong faction variety right off the bat, and also differentiating yourself from Wierd War 2 games, Infinity etc.
I preferred the nationalistic corporations as well but Not Germans, Not British, Not Japanese and Not Americans doesn't seem like a bold opening play for a new gaming endeavour even if it is based on an old IP.

Chronopia had some cool imagery. The Fantasy skirmish market seems a lot more crowded, and set to become more so once Wrath of Kings and Confrontation get kickstarted this year. I think there's more room for someone to get a foothold in Sci Fi TTGs at this scale.

Yeah, the aesthetics of Cyber, the Dark Legion and the Brotherhood will definitely give the game a unique flavour out of the gate. Mutants/zombies vs. 80's Cyborgs vs. Space Catholics is pretty durn evocative. I wonder what the 4th will be.

They could always go with the Cartel who get a smattering of corporate units from across the solar system (Doomtroopers). That would make a good lead in to all of the proper Megacorps.

Looking good (Head 1 and 2 over 3 and 4). I'm pretty happy with all the stuff shown so far.

Pleased to see the Brotherhood get a look in (but I wouldn't mind Imperial for the fourth). If this works out GW never get to see my cash again (most is going on Kickstarters as it is).

 warboss wrote:
I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Oh, you can bet your boots that I'll do that too. I'm just excited to have something to play with right out the gate.

Always liked the brotherhood.

More pics!
More teasers!

 Capamaru wrote:
Forgive me for saying this here but I wish they would revive chronopia too . I feel very happy since I loved warzone and I have tons of bauhaus I never got around to use a lot. Nevertheless I will support this effort and hopefully I am gonna buy a lot of this cool minis

Well, hopefully Warzone does well and Chronopia might be something down the road.

Prodoss - you might not be able to answer this (for another week), but will all of the factions be making a return in the initial wave?


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 Steel Rabbit wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I think they'd prefer if you just bought the new ones.

Oh, you can bet your boots that I'll do that too. I'm just excited to have something to play with right out the gate.

This.

I just need to find all my old rulebooks at some stage. They're packed away in deep, deep storage.

This is looking better and better.

A Mortificator? It surely mimics the head in shoulders Terminator look and that's not right for Mortificators.

M.

Prodos wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

I'll tell you what's on mine: Bauhaus all the way.

If we can find a ruleset that keeps my Étoiles Mortants from dying (yeah, I know it's in the name, but come on...) I'll be happy.

Indeed, 2nd and Ultimate had troubles with making close combat viable. I wonder how Res will handle it. Keeping the focus on shooting is a good plan, but assault should certainly be viable.

I'm personally hoping for a bit of 1st Edition's character customization back. It would need to be fairly regimented to avoid the bulk of the issues, but I always loved the pseudo-RPG elements of 1st Edition. Few games ever really let you create a special character that felt special. 'Course, internal balance issues and the like made sure that guys with Nimrods and Command Helmets ruled the day, but the sentiment was nice. It made the game great for multi-player co-op. Get people to make a character (or even a team of Doom Troopers) and assault them with an endless horde of undead legionnaires. Good times.

Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Hmm, so Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic is set. Great!

Next best for me: Mishima (my 1st army in 1st ed), then Capitol and Bauhaus (we all want Valerie back, or?).

Prodos wrote:

I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

I think, I 'll have to say Bauhaus, if only for the Vulcan and this:

 Azazelx wrote:
Prodoss - you might not be able to answer this (for another week), but will all of the factions be making a return in the initial wave?

Prodos (with one s) already said, 4-5 factions initially. Let them get a good start before demanding all Warzone and Chronopia factions at once, in plastic, for 10c each

You must have me confused with someone else. Anyway, I'll just be happy to see their range of badguy Dark Brotherhood zombie figures wearing a nice mixture of stahlhelm and pickelhaube. After all, if they're in Poland, it seems the least they can do for you...

@Prodos: Will the starters be available to order on the 15th of February or is it just the official-revealing-to-the-public-day?

I'm definitely buying into this whenever it comes out.

The two best selling fractions was Bauhaus and Imperial, feels amazingly stupid not to include them at launch.

This project is like made ​​for Kickstarter, many old fans who can back it. Hope you post a link to the KS on the 15th

I hope that Mishima is next

On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Sidstyler, I agree with your assessment concerning KS fatigue but in this particular situation KS is ideal. You have a new company picking up an established IP and revamping the whole line. That's a lot of work and needs a lot of capital. If they do go KS, let's not hold it against Prodos that other firms have used KS when the probably didn't need to thus jading us to the whole process.

A KS makes the most sense, actually. Especially if the stretch goals included hard-plastic sprues.

As much as I dislike KS (If you are not behind your project and are willing to risk your money, do not start it!), it would make sense here!
I totally agree with robertsjf and judgedoug.

Speaking of one more good company. This is great news... I don't think I've heard of these guys before Prosody. I loved warzone.... the rules where awesome, the backstory was pretty cool, but the models lacked a bit. If these are multi-part styrene kits with but in customization in mind.... could be a hit. Brotherhood, Imperial, Bauhaus, Cybertronic.... Awesome news.

I like it ! I want more info !

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I don't think not doing Bauhaus and Imperial would be "amazingly" stupid. Sure it would bum me out a bit not to see Bauhaus, but if I still back them at the beginning and it is a huge success I get to try something new, and make sure the product gets developped later on.

Trying new stuff out. Could be fun.

And yes, Valerie Duval can come back any minute now.

Oh, oh, oh! I know! Don't do all the factions, but at least make doomtroopers from all factions so we get a wee bit of a taste.

I think it makes sense to do the factions that have vastly different asthetics first than Capital, Imperial and Bauhaus which kind of feel samey.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

As awesome as this is, I have to ask. Since when do Razides wear pants?

It's a flesh robe, made from the skins of its victims. No one wants to see smooth, bare Ken-like pubes.

Eh, I just prefer the original rendition. I guess doing a "naked" version would make it hard to potion the torso in a multipart model, but something like an ammo belt or even a chain would work better. I think the second edition model had a belt even though it was one piece. I can always convert mine.

Also, that doesn't look like a Nazgaroth. What weapons is that?

You know what, guys, the more previews I see, the more I cool down on this whole thing. It's the sculpts and design choices, really. The sculpts in and of themselves aren't bad by any means, but they're merely competent, yet utterly soulless, like renders for a generic, bland video game shooter. I also object to the decision of covering up the Razide's junk, or lack thereof, as silly as it might sound. What's the rationale behind it, besides ruining the original concept and nature of the beast? Also, judging by the proto-cast shown a few days back, the sculptor botched the head and how it connects to the torso. See where the middle of the "mouth" connects to the chest? It's off-center.

Next - who came up with the idea of running that horizontal line across Atilla's chin? It makes him look like he's got a lower lip instead of a bare jaw! It looks ridiculous instead of threatening.

I don't know, I need something to knock me off my feet, and fast, 'cause I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It all looks so... amateurish, including the publicity campaign, though make no mistake, I have no doubt the folk behind it are competent.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
What weapons is that?

Hard to tell from the angle but I would guess plasmacaster.

My only concern at this point is that the detail is deep enough. It's really easy to sculpt detail that looks deep in CAD format or a render but is actually very shallow if you were to make a 3d form of it. Deep detail is so much easier to paint than shallow detail. It's also so much easier to see given that everything is a scaled down version as these are miniatures.

Honestly being buck-nekkid wasn't one of the defining features of the Razide to me. Then again, who knows when you're dealing with multi-part minis, maybe one of the lower bodies has pants and there are nekkid ones as well. We wont really know until a wider roll-out.

But either way, the defining features of the Razide were all about its upper body. Its hulk-esque silhouette is what really made it what it was.

The said, I could see its gun being a slightly redesigned Nazgaroth. It still has the general look of one (large barrel, spike-like bayonet) but is a lot less boxy than the original. However, it is a lot smaller, so maybe a Soulshearer? Either that or an all new weapon.

Edit - Hmm, or a Hellblaster, like those carried by the Nasca Razide.

I think the new razide looks so much better than the original miniature. I'm really liking the move away from the terrible proportions of the original miniatures.

 -DE- wrote:
You know what, guys, the more previews I see, the more I cool down on this whole thing. It's the sculpts and design choices, really. The sculpts in and of themselves aren't bad by any means, but they're merely competent, yet utterly soulless, like renders for a generic, bland video game shooter. I also object to the decision of covering up the Razide's junk, or lack thereof, as silly as it might sound. What's the rationale behind it, besides ruining the original concept and nature of the beast? Also, judging by the proto-cast shown a few days back, the sculptor botched the head and how it connects to the torso. See where the middle of the "mouth" connects to the chest? It's off-center.

Next - who came up with the idea of running that horizontal line across Atilla's chin? It makes him look like he's got a lower lip instead of a bare jaw! It looks ridiculous instead of threatening.

I don't know, I need something to knock me off my feet, and fast, 'cause I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It all looks so... amateurish, including the publicity campaign, though make no mistake, I have no doubt the folk behind it are competent.

Ehhh criticism is so simple....
Not only renders they show http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4979985813318&set=o.121888887983248&type=1&theater
Congratulations but your in 1% people on this forum that are not impressed...

 Sidstyler wrote:
On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Yeah, this. I'd prefer to be able to buy them on the 15th. Rather than pay for them on the 15th to receive in November October March 2014

Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

 Azazelx wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Yeah, this. I'd prefer to be able to buy them on the 15th. Rather than pay for them on the 15th to receive in November October March 2014

Lol, I kinda like your snark here. It would be nice to just do the old fashioned, "here's my money in exchange for your product" kinda thing. It seems that they already are further along than some KSs have been *COUGH*Gates of Antares*COUGH* so maybe we can actually do the old-school way.

-C6

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

I'm actually fine with this. It will be easy for me to revert it and it's clearly a design choice to allow at least some variation. I do however notice they changed the leg design. I admit I prefer the original one. It made the guy bulkier. Perhaps it didn't translate well into 3d format.

Yeah, I like Kickstarters that get in to the game later on in development so that they can generate funding for things like printing books and producing the physical miniatures using higher-grade material than they had originally planned. Kickstarters that have you buy-in at square one are a lot riskier in that regard. Considering how much legwork they've already done, I would definitely kick in on the project. And being this far along, they would have a better idea of stretch goals that wouldn't introduce much scope creep. The main problem a lot of KS's have is they happen really early and a lot of stretch goals are these blue sky ideas that add a lot of scope creep.

But so far along, Prodos probably already knows what they would do with a larger pool of money, so they could budget accordingly and avoid getting too out there with stretch goals. They are in a great place to either do a traditional pre-order (which has the upside of not coming with stretch goals if it becomes really popular; but can cause a lot more backlash if something is late) or a Kickstarter (which comes with stretch goals if it gets popular, but people seem more forgiving of slipping deadlines) and be in a good place.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I'm actually fine with this. It will be easy for me to revert it and it's clearly a design choice to allow at least some variation. I do however notice they changed the leg design. I admit I prefer the original one. It made the guy bulkier. Perhaps it didn't translate well into 3d format.

I quite like the leg extension, myself. I don't think the ultra-tiny legs translated well to the physical medium. People probably would have claimed it was just a rip-off of a Khador warjack if it had kept the weird proportions.

But I can see why someone would miss the more traditional design.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I quite like the leg extension, myself. I don't think the ultra-tiny legs translated well to the physical medium. People probably would have claimed it was just a rip-off of a Khador warjack if it had kept the weird proportions.

But I can see why someone would miss the more traditional design.

I think my last post didn't come out right.

I LOVE IT!

There, all fixed.

Now, I think Bonner's rendition was pretty well done even though it did sport disproportionally short legs, but the miniatures never did it justice so it might just be a case of good transition from 2d to 3d being impossible. It happens, no big deal. I might even try to do an old school version once I get my hands on it.

Seems they like us digging for more official pics:

I agree the lower jaw should be solid. Other than that it looks good. Kinda wish they'd go with the original skull design there. Nothing I can't fix myself though.

I'm starting to think that there simply may be more than one option for them. So far we have the ABC Warrior head and now the visored one. Makes sense if they want to go with mutli-part cases. One big criticism of the old Warzone minis was how samey the units could be. Giving a handful of different head options is certainly a good way to go. I still like the ABC Warrior head the most though. Evokes the classic Cyber look while twigging off of the 2000AD aesthetic.

looking for this....

also looking for this one??

I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

i agre whit you ther

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

They look like the Undead Legionnaires that Simon Bisley did up for the covers of the Golgotha comics to me. I actually kind of like it a bit better than the viking-hat ULs. And of course all you really need to add are shouldpads and maybe some helmets to make 'em more Bonner-style. But borg'd zombies certainly has a resonance in the source material as well.

Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems they like us digging for more official pics:

hey it's Sargent Hammerstein

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

They look like the Undead Legionnaires that Simon Bisley did up for the covers of the Golgotha comics to me. I actually kind of like it a bit better than the viking-hat ULs. And of course all you really need to add are shouldpads and maybe some helmets to make 'em more Bonner-style. But borg'd zombies certainly has a resonance in the source material as well.

I've gotten bogged down in enough ambitious conversation projects that never saw the light of day or got finished in any sence. Scuplting Shoulder pads and helmets on a bunch of zombies sounds like way to much work. It would be like me telling you to shave the helmets and shoulder pads off.
XP

If you like them that's cool thow. I'm just saying they don't grab my attention like that old artwork did. Sure the old ones looked abit silly, but most sci-fi and Fantsey stuff looks silly. Might as well embrace it. lol

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

This good sir is awesome! Is it your design or an official variation of what we have already seen? If it's yours I think that the people behind WZ's resurrection should "steal" it without second thoughts.

praetor24 wrote:
If it's yours I think that the people behind WZ's resurrection should "steal" it without second thoughts.

Well it's not official by any means, and it's just a slight variation of the original Atilla without the lower jaw, so they obviously can use it as they please. Would save me some work, as I plan to buy a bunch of those.

 Lockark wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I just wanted to say. After seeing the old art for the Dark Legion troopers, and then seeing the Generic Cyber Zombies they went with....

I hope they consider revisiting them, and trying to go with a updated version of the old look. The old ones are pretty distinctive and had a cool 80's metal vibe going on, well the new ones look like Generic FPS cannon fodder.

As for the robo dude. It looks more like a face then a skull now. It's kinda a odd choice. Less terminator, and more buttler bot?
*Shrugs*

Doesn't look nearly as threatening as the concept art.

They look like the Undead Legionnaires that Simon Bisley did up for the covers of the Golgotha comics to me. I actually kind of like it a bit better than the viking-hat ULs. And of course all you really need to add are shouldpads and maybe some helmets to make 'em more Bonner-style. But borg'd zombies certainly has a resonance in the source material as well.

I've gotten bogged down in enough ambitious conversation projects that never saw the light of day or got finished in any sence. Scuplting Shoulder pads and helmets on a bunch of zombies sounds like way to much work. It would be like me telling you to shave the helmets and shoulder pads off.
XP

If you like them that's cool thow. I'm just saying they don't grab my attention like that old artwork did. Sure the old ones looked abit silly, but most sci-fi and Fantsey stuff looks silly. Might as well embrace it. lol

Wasn't suggesting anyone sculpt anything. It was actually more aimed at Prodos as a conversion bitz pack. I'm just saying that non-helmeted, shoulder-padless bio-borg style Undead Legionnaires exist in the actual art for the game, and have for quite a while. Not everyone's cuppa, but I just hate it when people say they are generic shooter zombies when they look like stuff Bisley was painting for the setting since 1st Edition.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
hey it's Sargent Hammerstein

And that is why I love that head design. Mutant Chronicles was always basically 2000AD+Heavy Metal Magazine THE GAME. So the more design cues they can grab, the better.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems they like us digging for more official pics:

hey it's Sargent Hammerstein

This one is a lot better than the official one, they should includ it as an option.
This game looks interesting, is there a site where we can learn some info on the stroy and the factions ?. I've been searching for a new miniature sci-fi game in plastic, since GW seem to insist on prcing theyr products as outrageously as possible.

Edit : meant to quote "His Master's Voice" version

streetsamurai wrote:
This game looks interesting, is there a site where we can learn some info on the stroy and the factions ?.

Go to mutantpedia.com. Pretty much everything that was published for Warzone is available as pdfs there.

seems like a mis of 40k and shadowrun, from the little I read. Wich is cool since they're my two favorites setting.

Is there any alien faction in the game ?

The Dark Legion are kinda alien. A lot of their units are formed from actual subdued species, like the Ilian Templars or Calistonian Dancers.

 catharsix wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
On the contrary I kinda hope there isn't a Kickstarter. I'm getting pretty damn sick of them at this point.

Yeah, this. I'd prefer to be able to buy them on the 15th. Rather than pay for them on the 15th to receive in November October March 2014

Lol, I kinda like your snark here. It would be nice to just do the old fashioned, "here's my money in exchange for your product" kinda thing. It seems that they already are further along than some KSs have been *COUGH*Gates of Antares*COUGH* so maybe we can actually do the old-school way.

-C6

Heh, it may be a little snarky. But damn, I'd really like to see a new products pimped here that are actually new products ready to buy, rather than seemingly most things being Kickstarters... And, you know. I'd like to pick up some of these and actually start playing the new version of the game in the short term, rather than 6-12 months down the line.


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 His Master's Voice wrote:
I agree the lower jaw should be solid. Other than that it looks good. Kinda wish they'd go with the original skull design there. Nothing I can't fix myself though.

Yeah, I'd prefer optional heads, but failing that, the solid head or the skull heads work best. Not a massive fan of the ABC Warrior head if it's the only option.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Wasn't suggesting anyone sculpt anything. It was actually more aimed at Prodos as a conversion bitz pack. I'm just saying that non-helmeted, shoulder-padless bio-borg style Undead Legionnaires exist in the actual art for the game, and have for quite a while. Not everyone's cuppa, but I just hate it when people say they are generic shooter zombies when they look like stuff Bisley was painting for the setting since 1st Edition.

I'm sorry, but as a outsider looking in. Thows zombies look like they would be at home in Duke Nukem Forever.
=P

I said eariler in this thread I have no nostalgia or anything to make me like or dislike this game. So I'm just going solely off the mini's.

 -DE- wrote:
I don't know, I need something to knock me off my feet, and fast, 'cause I'm not impressed with what I'm seeing. It all looks so... amateurish, including the publicity campaign, though make no mistake, I have no doubt the folk behind it are competent.

It's still better than Gates of Antares.

Way better. Way, way better.

I'm liking the previews more and more. I find the latest robotic head to actually be a bit creepy. I think painting this new stuff up in very gritty stark colours is going to make a great foundation for horror-scifi gaming.

Is the game still on schedule for release?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

praetor24 wrote:
If it's yours I think that the people behind WZ's resurrection should "steal" it without second thoughts.

Well it's not official by any means, and it's just a slight variation of the original Atilla without the lower jaw, so they obviously can use it as they please. Would save me some work, as I plan to buy a bunch of those.

Try to convince them to make it real. Honestly, it's a hell of a concept! The best option that has been suggested so far, officially or otherwise.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

hell to the yeee! make it so.........

I remember having Siege of the Citadel as a kid, it was the first miniature game I ever owned... I'd like to track down a copy again lol

Just for you.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=siege+of+the+citadel&_sacat=0&_from=R40

I'll see if I can get it here before I can get it there... here I can lessen the price with models I don't want lol

 Nicklas_danielsson wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

hell to the yeee! make it so.........

+1,000

Hell yeah to that!!!!!

I just dug all my old Mutant Chronicles RPG books out of storage.

Time for an appropriate avatar.

praetor24 wrote:

 Nicklas_danielsson wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

hell to the yeee! make it so.........

+1,000
Hell yeah to that!!!!!

I prefer the original version with the mouth, but tastes differ.

Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

I won't let you bring down my good mood...

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

It is totally reasonable to wait until other people have them in their hands and report on them. People do that for all sorts of new products and it's especially appropriate for miniatures as they are so tactile.

But I've seen a ton of new miniature produces pop over of the last couple decades and go on to make great ranges of miniatures. Everyone has their "first time" and learns from it.

Renders, concept art and some 3d printed masters might not be a guarantee of quality, but they are proof that the people involved are going through the same process of miniature product development than previous companies that have successfully brought miniatures to market have done.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

now, more about rules:

Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

I hereby nominate you as the new bearer of the Icon of Eeyore, I am done, and undone.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

I'll be pleased to see miniatures, but the one we've seen so far looks pretty amazing so far (no soft detail to my eye - organic maybe, soft no).

Look forward to more though!

Laney

Varrak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

HMV:your version of Atilla is way better and closer to original. They should use it instead of theirs.

Rainbow Dash wrote:I remember having Siege of the Citadel as a kid, it was the first miniature game I ever owned... I'd like to track down a copy again lol

Loved that game but never picked it up, had Fury of the Clansmen and Blood Berets...sigh!

agustin wrote:I just dug all my old Mutant Chronicles RPG books out of storage.

Time for an appropriate avatar.

Well it's a good thing the Mutant Chronicles RPG is coming back then! http://www.modiphius.com/mutant-chronicles.html We're working with the PRODOS guys so it's going to be a fantastic journey!

 NAVARRO wrote:

Varrak wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Concept art and 3d renders does nothing for me... Unless a company has good tracking record of competent casting and model making I stay away from what in reality is just sketchy ideas of a model.
Want me to be interested in their minis please show me the finished minis...

You can have the best concept in the world but if you cant translate it into a mini is good as nothing. SO many things can ruin the final product quality that well I just cannot be exited about this. The only print I have seen does seem to have a bad design choice regarding arm joints... and soft detail.

15th Feb... and your eyes will hurt, as mines already...

That's the spirit. We will talk on the 15th then.

To make it clear I really wish you and all new mini companies projects all the best of luck... I just find that with the Kickstarters trends of lots of concepts and no minis and also some new and old companies selling stuff just based on 3d renders kind of anti climax for someone who just wants to buy minis by actually looking at minis.

Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





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 modiphius wrote:

Rainbow Dash wrote:I remember having Siege of the Citadel as a kid, it was the first miniature game I ever owned... I'd like to track down a copy again lol

Loved that game but never picked it up, had Fury of the Clansmen and Blood Berets...sigh!

agustin wrote:I just dug all my old Mutant Chronicles RPG books out of storage.

Time for an appropriate avatar.

Well it's a good thing the Mutant Chronicles RPG is coming back then! http://www.modiphius.com/mutant-chronicles.html We're working with the PRODOS guys so it's going to be a fantastic journey!

))))

If that's the low resolution 3d print I can't wait to the see the final version.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Balance reasons, but there is a logic in that madness:

Piercing ammo does less damage to flesh, they are design to go through armour,so hard core/tip, where normal ammo is design to "spin" and deform once target is hit
Plasma, does not have hit force, but is perfect to melt down metal armour pieces, where Bio is more like Carapace armour...
blast, well, Light armour only covers fragile pieces of body where heavy is more like exoskeleton type armour/full coverage/full plate.

Anyway MAIN reason is balance.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





[))

Looking good, keep posting shiny minis mate For me this last pic even without head etc is much more revealing than all the concepts on this thread.

Keep them coming.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....





[))

Looking good, keep posting shiny minis mate For me this last pic even without head etc is much more revealing than all the concepts on this thread.

Keep them coming.

There is much more to come :]

I think its time that GW starts getting worried again......

 NAVARRO wrote:

Varrak wrote:
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Isn't that the nature of Kickstarters? They want to collect money to be able to make the minis. Making the mini and then coming short on the kickstarter looks risky. My problem with Kickstarters is what happens when somebody just takes the money and doesn't deliver anything.

Anyway pretty stoked about Warzone. Only thing that comes close to 40k fluffwise.

You missed the point.
There is a trend growing more each day in this industry to the point that established companies no longer even paint their minis or take pics of them... just a render and to the store shelf it goes... If it's justifiable or not on KS's isnt what I'm talking about here.

Most companies still get their miniatures painted. A render is just quite easy to put on the net and is available way before a company even got their hands on a figure, let alone paint it. I get your point to a degree, but will all the 3D printing I'm guessing you'll see a lot of renders. A good company follows up with splendidly painted figures.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Light armor's easire to peel off when it starts to melt? Bio has redundant systems that make AP less effective as it just punches a small area?

But looking at the chart, I'm going with game balance as primary motivator

edit: responded to post before reading entire thread. Warzone Resurrection confirmed

robertsjf wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Guess it's my 40k baggage, but I'm not sure why would plasma be less damaging against Light armour than against Heavy. Or why would Bio get a bonus against piercing. Then again, as long as it makes sense in terms of game balance, I won't mind it.

Light armor's easire to peel off when it starts to melt? Bio has redundant systems that make AP less effective as it just punches a small area?

But looking at the chart, I'm going with game balance as primary motivator

edit: responded to post before reading entire thread. Warzone Resurrection confirmed

as my previous post :

Balance reasons, but there is a logic in that madness:

Piercing ammo does less damage to flesh, they are design to go through armour,so hard core/tip, where normal ammo is design to "spin" and deform once target is hit
Plasma, does not have hit force, but is perfect to melt down metal armour pieces, where Bio is more like Carapace armour...
blast, well, Light armour only covers fragile pieces of body where heavy is more like exoskeleton type armour/full coverage/full plate.

Anyway MAIN reason is balance.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
If that's the low resolution 3d print I can't wait to the see the final version.

I don't know that I would call that a LOW RES, it was likely run on a prefactory multi-mini.

There is a setting to increase the smoothness of the surface, but at these scales with the naked eye, you will not see a difference. It is only when you view the print under macro/magnification that you will notice the higher setting at all.

Very very cool! Plus Mutant Chronicles RPG returning WOOT! I was only just looking through old Mutant Chronicles (good times!)

BTW you official folks should add a link to your website in your sig, maybe adding a fancy banner.

Hmm, those look like zombied warrior Legionnaires, oh to see Warzone back on sale with these better minis

Oh man, they're re-doing Warzone?! *drool* This is the game that gave GW a run for its money back in the tail end of 40K2. At the time it was THE alternative to a then-aging and creaky Warhammer 40K second edition ruleset, and for a while gave second edition Warhammer 40,000 a run for it's money. The first edition of the game was quite unbalanced, some factions were obviously better then others.

There's enough plastics available that if they make a sprue of core infantry available for every faction, and keep the old sprues in production, this game has a real chance of being a winner. If they make a sprue of Undead Legionnaires, which is what the render looks like, I'll be all over this. If some of the vehciles actually had kits to go with them, it would be a surefire success.

Any gamer should take a trip through agis.de Warzone gallery.

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:

Warzone Resurrection wrote:........yes, but you will get this:

Now don't get me wrong. The renders look cool but it ain't Dark Legion Undead Legionnaires, it's the generic biotech zombies from any sci-fi fps-game from the last decade holding Kratach rifles. This is like putting a boltgan in a spartanesque (as in Halo-spartans) armoured dudes hands ( who got slightly rounded shoulder-pads) and call it a space marine. This is exploiting an IP to sell something that in all aspects seems to be something new and just leave some "tokens of gratitude" (like the Kratach rifles or the profile of some shoulder-armor) to please the crowd. I ain't buying it.

I loves the new concept art. If they can make a plastic frame of those guys, preferably with swappable heads and weapons, I think they have a winner. To be honest, a lot of the old stuff hasn't aged well, both art and models. It really does need an update and generic bio-zombies are as good as any.

 Azazelx wrote:

Hello from the 1990's!

Don't knock this, this figure rules. Easily equal to the old Necromunda Plague Zombies and compares well to what's out today.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Look I'm not saying that they are doomed if they use different sized bases. I'm just saying that it probably behooves them to keep them standard. It's all going to come down to the miniatures and the sculpts, I'm not even that concerned about the rules. You can always sell miniatures without rules, and the warzone rules were pretty good, with some exceptions. The last few times warzone failed has been because of bad (inconsistent may be a better word, as some of their minis were pretty good) miniatures, if you make good miniatures there are people that are going to buy them and use them for whatever they want. I really think that is going to have to be their strength. The basing issue is small but it will still be an issue for some people, especially people relatively new to the hobby, have 40k armies and want to be able to use their miniatures in both games. If you make people choose, especially newbies, they are going to choose what is popular, easy and guaranteed.

I know everyone gives this guy a hard time because of the bases, but it really is a concern for me. I'd be much more likely to take up Warzone if I knew the bases were the same as GW, and I knew my Dark Legion figures could do double-duty as Chaos Cultists. It's hard getting people to make the switch. I know Dark Age and PP's stuff are on new bases, and that cool, and I like them too, but it's easier to get people to make the switch if they're on standard 25s

 agustin wrote:
I don't think silly proportions in either sculpting or equipment size is going to work as well today as it did in the 90s. If everyone wanted the miniatures as they were back then, Prince Augst would be swamped with orders and the game would be back in distribution.

Like it or not, this is going to involve a re-imaging for 2013 rather than just rereleasing of models from 15+ years ago.

I have to agree. I like the new bio-tech zombie guys. Much better than the old plastics that came with the board gamea.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
I think one of the problems with warzone was that they had to make so many miniatures lines, that were very similar. Take for example, Capital. They had light troops, heavy troops, free marines, sea lions, scorpions, sunset strikers and martian banshees just to name a few. That is a hell of a lot of lines to produce and keep track of, and that's just the infantry, for one army! These were all pretty much the same miniatures wise, they basically just had some minor but distinct differences, mostly helmet and equipment swaps, sometimes different shoulderpads and grieves. Which was fine as troops from each faction should have a vary similar aesthetic.

Instead of making a bunch of individual sculpts just make a good multipose plastic kit or two with all the options and gribbles. It would save tons of development and production costs, plus you have economy of scale working for you. You also have the whole line launched basically at once instead of people having to wait years for each factions 10 different sets of infantry.

This is a good idea. It should be like the Night Goblins sprue, with spears, hand weapons and bows. They had way too many troop types. They should have one core infantry type for each faction, preferably with all the options

 kenshin620 wrote:
Pic for the lazy

This looks amazingly good,

 Capamaru wrote:
Forgive me for saying this here but I wish they would revive chronopia too .

There was a chronopia figure of an evil guy riding a giant fly, if they redid that figure, in plastic, and made it larger, like a 40 or 50mm base, I would collect entire units of them

 Octopussy wrote:
The two best selling fractions was Bauhaus and Imperial, feels amazingly stupid not to include them at launch.

They had plastics. If they made a second unit in plastic with this new run, and kept the old plastic in production, it would give them a marked advantage in the market.

 Octopussy wrote:
This project is like made ​​for Kickstarter, many old fans who can back it. Hope you post a link to the KS on the 15th

A kickstarteer would indeed be awesome. Make it small, not huge like the Gates of Antares kickstarter that is clearly going to fail. Just one kickstarter for each infantry or vehicle type.

 Ronin_eX wrote:


Looks like they posted the full mockup. Still unsure whether the gun is a re-design (definitely big enough for a Nazgaroth from this angle). And looks like the pants are just a loincloth (should help break up the model and add a bit of contrast to it).

Aw dude, this is a must purchase for me. Not only can I use it for Warzone, but with some conversion it can be a Adeptus Mechanicus Ogryn with an Ogryn/Ogre head, a chaos Ogryn, a Big Mutant in Lost and the Damned...

Looking forward to development....

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 chris_valera wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Hello from the 1990's!

Don't knock this, this figure rules. Easily equal to the old Necromunda Plague Zombies and compares well to what's out today.

Not knocking it, mate. It's one of mine!

I've got a few others worth sharing, once I dig them out and find them...

 chris_valera wrote:

Any gamer should take a trip through agis.de Warzone gallery.

Agreed!
See it here: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html
And you can still even buy some of them...
http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=49410.0

 chris_valera wrote:

I know everyone gives this guy a hard time because of the bases, but it really is a concern for me. I'd be much more likely to take up Warzone if I knew the bases were the same as GW, and I knew my Dark Legion figures could do double-duty as Chaos Cultists. It's hard getting people to make the switch. I know Dark Age and PP's stuff are on new bases, and that cool, and I like them too, but it's easier to get people to make the switch if they're on standard 25s.

For me too, not gamewise but from a simple matter of personal taste, I like the good old GW Slotta base style and flat coins/ washer style bases.
All the other weay too big bases are IMO only distracting from the mini it should only support...

Nice work. I can see using slightly bigger bases for the figures that are clearly oversized for 25mm bases (like the ..erm, whatever that thing is in my image above) or the Razides, Atillas, and various other figures. I'd think 25mm and 40mm rounds would be the way to go, though. I like the consistency across my figures.

I hope that the new game is more similar to the first edition rather than the second.

 maxdamek wrote:
I hope that the new game is more similar to the first edition rather than the second.

Agreed! 1st edition was unbalanced but the most FUN!



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 Azazelx wrote:
Nice work. I can see using slightly bigger bases for the figures that are clearly oversized for 25mm bases (like the ..erm, whatever that thing is in my image above) or the Razides, Atillas, and various other figures. I'd think 25mm and 40mm rounds would be the way to go, though. I like the consistency across my figures.

IMO the use of "GW-style" 25 and 40mm bases would be indeed a clever move.
The above mentioned "double-duty" in other games should always be considered...

(That is also one of the reasons why my Victory Decision system is not tied to any type of basing...)

I dfo miss my old 50+ Bauhaus force, my Brotherhood army was getting good sized and I had some nice Dark Soul forces, and my capitolian marines had tattoos and names, Cybertronic was painted "Robo-cop blue/silver" and my Imperials were well set as airborne for the red berets I had. Trenchers were all drabbed. I even had some Mishima troops. Now I can try again with revised minis!

Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.

Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

i have memories of myself as a child amazed by the Venusian Rangers helmets and by the mysterious planet Nero... guys, thank you so much for this

anyway, any chance to have venusians in the first wave?

Warzone is back! Amazing! I´m one of the few WZ players here in Spain, and everyone in my gaming group is really excited! The new miniatures look incredible and I hope every faction will be redone, because some of the old miniatures aren´t very good. I think it´s great news that a great game system comes back from the (almost) death. Is all the information going to be released on 15th? I mean, the first factions, the release dates of miniatures and rulebook, etc...


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I think the addiction of Mr Hoare is great. I love his work with the Witch Hunters Codex and Cities of Death.

Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to our writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.

Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

A good and sensible move there.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

you see, as long as 3D print is perfect there is no issues with final model quality, that is the beauty of resin cast...
and 3D - even test ones, looks awesome, pic below its again only LOW RES quality, wait for hight quality resin ....

What kind of printer are you using and at what settings for this 'low quality' print? And what settings will the high quality be printed at? You folks have your own 3D printer or are you using a third party? (If so who?)

What I've seen from Shapeways and Ultra Frosted detail is that the print lines are still noticeable and if there is another commercial 3D print outfit (especially in the EU) that does a better job then Shapeways, I'm really interested.


And you guys (girls?) mentioned plastic minis. What kind of plastic are we talking about, the kind that can be glued with plastic glue or do we still need superglue?

The last "daily sneak peek pic" is 4 days old, right?

Technically, the Legionnaire print was shown on Sunday, but either way someone's behind schedule.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The last "daily sneak peek pic" is 4 days old, right?

unfortunately you are correct kroothawk, I keep checking back to see what new tidbits are revealed but there hasn't been anything for a few days. 15th is right around the corner though

Prodos wrote:
Prodos Games are very please to announce the addition of Mr. Andy Hoare to the MC Warzone resurrection writing team. Andy is a massive Mutant Chronicles fan and has been battling in the Solar System since the early 90s.
Andy Hoare is a veteran of the tabletop wargaming industry having worked for Games Workshop, Wyrd, Architects of War, Mantic and others. He works as a freelance designer and author and lives in the Midlands in the UK, the spiritual home of the tabletop wargaming scene.

Great news, I always like Andy's writing style and rulebooks!!!
Welcome Andy!!! I still remember very nicely playtesting for you and Graham the Witchhunter Codex!

 Kroothawk wrote:
The last "daily sneak peek pic" is 4 days old, right?

The last one was on 10th

Weekends we are closed

But seriously, new one goes up today!



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 Kroothawk wrote:
The last "daily sneak peek pic" is 4 days old, right?

The last one was on 10th

Weekends we are closed

But seriously, new one goes up today!



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big ugly something?

As usual, I'm late to the party, but I'm very excited to see where this goes. I have some fond memories of painting mutant chronicles "Seige of the Citadel" miniatures (a 28mm MC boardgame released in the USA by pressman) and I still have my 2nd edition rulebooks. There are also a number of Warzone minis still doing duty in my various sci-fi armies.

I'm very pleased that they seem to be doing new sculpts and art that are in line with the original warzone art which was quite evocative and well done.

Oddly, my friend is offering up a Bauhuas army for sale, maybe I'll take him up on it...

Is this a product release or a kickstarter? Why is this still a mystery?

Something wicked this way comes by the look of that sneak peek

 Byte wrote:
Is this a product release or a kickstarter? Why is this still a mystery?

Because it isn't the 15th yet? Patience people. Only a few more days.

 Byte wrote:
Is this a product release or a kickstarter? Why is this still a mystery?

Still a mystery. We'll find out in about 56 hours from the type I posted this.

http://www.warzonegame.com

 Byte wrote:
Is this a product release or a kickstarter? Why is this still a mystery?

I don't think there is a mystery, Protos has never given any indication that they would do a kickstarter, in fact in their posts they seam against it. Other people have been asking for one. I think it's probably a smart idea. Kickstarters have their ups and downs so I could see why they may want to avoid it, on the other hand I think it would also be totally worth it.

I can see people not wanting to wait months for product. But it doesn't really have to be that way. Mantic got people their in stock armies to customers as soon as the kickstarter was over. I suppose if you have in stock items you could send them out before the kickstarter is even over as long as it has reached it's funding goal, but I don't really know.

Seams a great way to build the hype machine and get a reading on public reception to a product. There are however sooooooo many kickstarters right now.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, now I kinda hope the preview head makes it to release, because it will allow me to do this

That looks pretty darn dandy! I wish prodos stole it!

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Something wicked this way comes by the look of that sneak peek

I think this turn of phrase has been used twice now in the last 6 months. We need to come up with something new.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Is this a product release or a kickstarter? Why is this still a mystery?

Because it isn't the 15th yet? Patience people. Only a few more days.

No, because they haven't indicated either way. I've asked a few times in this thread already... The lack of concise answer is getting annoying.

I'm hoping for a product release.

 god.ra wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
The last "daily sneak peek pic" is 4 days old, right?

The last one was on 10th

Weekends we are closed

But seriously, new one goes up today!



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big ugly something?

Somehow it makes me think of warmachine, khador mech nuclear powered?

Image is tagged as Cyber234. So it's either Cybertronic or they are being smart asses to people that check source images

Does the symbol/pattern thing on those two rear turbine things mean anything to anyone steeped in Warzone imagery and lore?

Check the tags on the other images and see what sort of pattern there is. Internet Detectives, Ho!