His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I just shipped my set of concept sketches for Prodos. Chances are, at least some of those will be shown on Friday, when the big reveal hits, so now I'm all twitchy to see if die hard Warzone fans accept my updates.

Considering how awesome your Attila head is I must say, I'd love to see more of what you have been up to!

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I just shipped my set of concept sketches for Prodos. Chances are, at least some of those will be shown on Friday, when the big reveal hits, so now I'm all twitchy to see if die hard Warzone fans accept my updates.

Well I have to say they are awesome and yes they will be part of tomorrow showing. Welcome to the 'twitchy' club. Until midnight GMT

Gee, thanks, now I won't be able to do any work until midnight. You're lucky I already did the missing parts.

Prodos wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, I just shipped my set of concept sketches for Prodos. Chances are, at least some of those will be shown on Friday, when the big reveal hits, so now I'm all twitchy to see if die hard Warzone fans accept my updates.

Well I have to say they are awesome and yes they will be part of tomorrow showing. Welcome to the 'twitchy' club. Until midnight GMT

This good sir, is the best decision ever.

@His Master's Voice: Well done, mate! I think that your Attila head showed that you deserved it 10000%!

Really really nice head

I just want more of their paints from back in the day, I have an Army of Grey Knights that are in need of their old blue metallic paint.

Oh and my Capitol Forces need some new playmates too.....

As cool as coloured renders may be, I'm starting to worry about the possibility everything shown tomorrow might be only renders. In the end miniatures are what sells a game, no matter how good the renders are.

On the other hand. That's a cool Nepharite.

Hello Alakhai, long time no see! Love it, the face looks a little bit squat, but it sure is a beauty!

Why isn't it the 15th yet?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Why isn't it the 15th yet?

Why dont you just cross the international dateline?

 kenshin620 wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Why isn't it the 15th yet?

Why dont you just cross the international dateline?

Because I don't have a Harrison Drive?

See what I did there?

Take my money!

Nostalgia strikes... ooohh the pain my wallet feels!

http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/

Countdown is at 0.

 ergotoxin wrote:
http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/

Countdown is at 0.

Mine has just under 6 hours.

 ergotoxin wrote:
http://warzonegame.com/warzone-resurrection/

Countdown is at 0.

Quoting Prodos

Prodos wrote:
Well I have to say they are awesome and yes they will be part of tomorrow showing. Welcome to the 'twitchy' club. Until midnight GMT

My zone is GMT+1 and countdown reached 0 just 15 min ago. And judging from Byte, who must be at USA East Coast, probably the page design didn't kept in mind a readjustement of the proper countdown according user's PC timezone.

So wait another 40 min and then try again.

Bah, sorry guys. I feel troll'd.

Wait... so this, in theory, ends in about 20 minutes? TERRIFIC. I'm going to happily sit here and throw money at my monitor until it goes in.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Wait... so this, in theory, ends in about 20 minutes? TERRIFIC. I'm going to happily sit here and throw money at my monitor until it goes in.

here you are http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

Date: 15th February 2013

Dear Mutant Chronicles Warzone Fans.
Firstly we would like to thank you for all the support and excitement you have shown for ‘Warzone Resurrection’. We are truly blown away by it! We would also like to thank you for your constructive feedback, which has helped us tread the fine line between the old and the new. We are very proud and excited by what has been produced and we hope you are too! After all - you’ve kept the dream alive for the last 20 years.
So as we promised, today is the day… the big reveal! What does that mean? Well, firstly we are able to present the three factions we have decided to lead with, namely Dark Legion, The Brotherhood and the MegaCorporation Cybertronic. It is also the day we launch the ‘Kickstarter’ project to finance the fourth faction MegaCorporation Bauhaus.

Our Kickstrater page :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

We understand some people are not keen on the concept of ‘Kickstarter’ and as such wanted to explain a couple of things.
1. We intend for all products we have developed so far for the first 3 factions to be available in June 2013. The Kickstarter project (its success or failure) will not affect these plans.
2. We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.
If you do not wish to support a Kickstarter project, but still want a Warzone Resurrection force (or two), you will be able to pre-order them from our website (warzonegame.com), after the Kickstarter, to receive in June. Or you can order them for near-immediate delivery after the release date from the same site.

We also intend to sell through FLGS. So if you know one that you think should stock Warzone Resurrection, let us know!
Another key thing is that we have designed a new game system; one that like everything else in Warzone Resurrection is a mixture of old and new. Key to this is the skirmish approach and the D20 of old, but we have also incorporated algorithms from computer game programming (for balance) and card play (to represent environmental, wargear and personnel effects on the battle). But be assured, Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection is still primarily a tabletop 28mm scale miniature skirmish game and a very good, exciting and gripping one at that!

Kind Regards and Happy Gaming

Jarek, Mark and Michal (Prodos Games Ltd.)

So... I've never Kickstarted outside the US... So Amazon doesn't do you pay-out, as it would with a US Kickstarter?

I've currently pledged about $405 USD, which was the extra required to get in at the 300-some-odd pound level. Looks amazing!


Edit: Ok, for those curious, the 249 pound tier of backing, which requires an extra 12 pounds for non-US backers, runs you $405 USD at the moment. Hopefully a LOT of freebies will add value to that tier, because that is slightly higher pricing than I was anticipating (on a per model basis).

That all said... my budget is about $500 USD for this, so I may drop down to two-factions and just bolt on a mountain of additions.

To Prodos..... PLEASE be generous here. I am going to tour these models all around upstate NY, and WILL champion your game. PLEASE, for the love of free PR and a game's long life, help me out by making this as value rich for me as possible. People like me will get you future fans/customers, but we need you to do something for us, on this end. ;-)

Smart move, one way for people who just want to get the product and another for KS Junkies

Glad to see such open minded companies!

Oh surprise, a KS. Though the explanations given are cool. So if we hit that paltry goal, we get to have plastic kits. Me like.


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Bauhaus!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the very next thing they should do is get those renders printed, prepped and painte and show the actual models as they'd look like in the flesh (so to speak).

From what we've seen so far, the renders don't do the printed models justice and this could hold them back in terms of pledges.

If you're selling miniatures-- show miniatures!

The 30 quid level gets you a 34 quid box? That's no better than if you simply waited and ordered from thewarstore.com. Wow... this is officially just a preorder mechanic for them in that case.

edit: The vulcan suit is nice but there really isn't an incentive with the tiered structure for me to bother ordering now as opposed to just buying it when its in stock.

 agustin wrote:
I think the very next thing they should do is get those renders printed, prepped and painte and show the actual models as they'd look like in the flesh (so to speak).

From what we've seen so far, the renders don't do the printed models justice and this could hold them back in terms of pledges.

If you're selling miniatures-- show miniatures!

our camera man is off sick... but more, nice pictures tomorrow, for now I can show you this :

Sorry for quality of the pic! :
3D render = print = Cast mini.

Bauhaus set looks interesting, even though I really miss Valerie Duval there! Also the undead legionnaires could use a shoulder pad or helmet here and there, after all they are called "legionnaires"!

Also... You guys should really finish that base-coated Chasseur

 ergotoxin wrote:
Bauhaus set looks interesting, even though I really miss Valerie Duval there! Also the undead legionnaires could use a shoulder pad or helmet here and there, after all they are called "legionnaires"!

Also... You guys should really finish that base-coated Chasseur

in good hands as we speak

I hope Bauhaus is just a work in progress. Otherwise, those are some static minis if I ever saw any.

No Imperials, dissapointed.

The tier pricing is a little off as well as there isn't a discount for choosing higher tiers. For instance the Kickstarter special and Chasseur tiers cost £54 if bought seperately but the Necromutant tier (which has the same content as the first 2) also costs £54. For me that just means that I will probably opt for the Chasseur tier simply because I don't have any interest in the current factions (with the possible exception fo Bauhaus if the sculpts are good) but if the Necromutant tier cost £45-50 I would have probably gone for that.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I hope Bauhaus is just a work in progress. Otherwise, those are some static minis if I ever saw any.

That might be because they're concepts.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I hope Bauhaus is just a work in progress. Otherwise, those are some static minis if I ever saw any.

these are concepts

"i feel love......"

Any chance for you guys to pop in at salute with some prints/ prototypes?

Good luck with the KS.

I hope they allow us to purchase add-ons. I'm only likely to go for a single faction, but would like to get more minis than just a starter, but not interested in being burdened by another whole faction.

I think they already have that option in the pledge manager. At least that's what the KS brief is telling me.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I hope they allow us to purchase add-ons. I'm only likely to go for a single faction, but would like to get more minis than just a starter, but not interested in being burdened by another whole faction.

Already on Kickstrater web

So, the value of various pledge tiers, at least right now, is mostly linear? (IE if you add 8 of even the most expensive unit-boxes, and another starter, the 249 pound tier is essentially the same price as the 109 pound tier)

Are there plans for that to change? Is their an incentive for going big now, and not waiting for retail discounts later while just buying a starter or two now?

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like 3 of the 4 starter factions are ones that I have no interest in: Brotherhood Church, Dark Legion and Cybertronic. So I have to wait for the fourth.

Prodos wrote:
I wonder if the forth is to your liking. What's on your wish list?

Imperials. Plus some units from Capitol (Light Infantry, Rangers, Sharks) and to a lesser extent Mishima.
But with my luck, the fourth will be Bauhaus.

Warzone Resurrection wrote:Well, firstly we are able to present the three factions we have decided to lead with, namely Dark Legion, The Brotherhood and the MegaCorporation Cybertronic. It is also the day we launch the ‘Kickstarter’ project to finance the fourth faction MegaCorporation Bauhaus.

Damn, I knew it

Warzone Resurrection wrote:

I really, really like those. Get stuff like those painted ASAP and replace your kickstarter starter renders with real painted miniatures. I think it would only help if people saw the actual miniatures that they're buying rather than renders.

I must admit that I'm still concerned the detail is too shallow and won't show up after paint is applied. I'm really excited about Warzone coming back, so **please** prove my worries unfounded.

Loving the look of the Bauhaus, but can't really tell if they are male or female...



Can I get confirmation on if they are:

1) All Male with Female hero
2) All Female with Female hero
3) Gender Neutral with Female hero

This is probably where I will be jumping in but would love to have them be Lady Storm Troops over regular Male, but the previous incarnations seem to have them all male except for heros.

They seem to be faceless/genderless masked mooks

Though some helmetless heads might help with that

Awesome news! The only two factions I don't own for Warzone are the Brotherhood and the Dark Legion so I'll definitely spring for the two starter pledge once I get home.

For those of you who are worried about the price of the Kickstarter minis vs. what they'd be in stores: don't forget that the higher the pledges get the more stuff gets added in. THAT'S where tabletop games on Kickstarter get into the "good deal" territory.

Sorry, Bauhaus concepts do not like anything...

The Good: Warzone is back.

The Bad: Mishima is the ugly puppy left behind in the dog pound again.

I'll be pledging but I don't know at what level, the higher levels would be interesting but I don't like the current factions.

M.

I am a little shocked at the different tiers. There is a real lack of savings the higher you go. I understand it just started but it is still a tad strange. I would love to see an offer for two factions collectors rule book, cards, and 2 cases. I can set these guys up with 2 FLGS one in Canada one in Washington.

If you look at the stretch goal levels, it seems to imply that the higher we go, the less each box/mini will cost. Will this be done by adding minis? It would be the most sensible way to go.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If you look at the stretch goal levels, it seems to imply that the higher we go, the less each box/mini will cost. Will this be done by adding minis? It would be the most sensible way to go.

It looks like us kickstarting will make it cheaper for retail. Interesting, I get the feeling we may see some nice freebies.

So...why does this always happen to games I really want to do well? I hate being negative, but seriously Prodos, did you guys even bother to check out other Kickstarters that have been very successful? Are you even trying to bring in money or is this just a pre-order ploy?

1. Who the heck starts with a price point equal to or HIGHER than GW??
2. The miniatures, while great looking, do not appear to be very multi-posable, leaving you with X amount of static poses. Even a skilled convertor will have issues making different poses.
3. The listed stretch goals are....I can't even call them laughable, since there is literally nothing to give people incentive. A "special" card at each level? Really?
4. Unless you plunk down some serious money, there are NO kickstarter exclusives. A special rulebook? Whats so special about it?

Man, I hate this, but I think I'm going to have to skip this kickstarter and just find a set of rules post-release somewhere and use my old minis. Like many others, I've been getting away from GW because they have gone insane with pricing. Now my favorite game is re-released and they are even more insane.

I really wish you guys luck on this, because you are going to REALLY need it. My advice? Cancel the whole thing and do some research on crowdfunding. If not, prepare for some major backlash when people actually break down and take your project apart. The masses are not kind.

I would like some new versions of these


Maybe NSFW

do the kickstarter levels stack, say if I get the third lowest, do I get the t shirt that comes from the 2nd lowest, for example too?

Totally pledging when I get home. Smart move to just have the KS be for improving the product and getting Bauhaus out the door. The actual preview minis look fantastic (love the Cyber stuff, may have to spring for the double-starter level). And my Vulkan horde can always use more bodies.

Congrats on the launch!

 Vain wrote:
Loving the look of the Bauhaus, but can't really tell if they are male or female...



Can I get confirmation on if they are:

1) All Male with Female hero
2) All Female with Female hero
3) Gender Neutral with Female hero

This is probably where I will be jumping in but would love to have them be Lady Storm Troops over regular Male, but the previous incarnations seem to have them all male except for heros.

Look I know they are called Bauhaus, but I don't think they are supposed to be a bunch of art house Germans performing Kraftwork saying "Dieter touch my Monkey".

Seriously These are terrible. Why do they look like cybermen?



I love WZ, but I am terribly disappointed in this project so far! Bauhaus is my favorite corp with a background based on Prussian heritage and honor. I don't know what this is! Why even buy the rights to WZ if you are not going to use the IP. This looks as bad of an adaptation as the World War Z movie!

I don't know if I'm more dissapointed in this or that awful Warzone movie that came out a few years ago. I"ll be using my Dreamforge Strormtroopers and old Bauhaus stuff to fill in until you guys can get your act together.

The only real problem with the Bauhaus concept art is that it's a mock-up based on real human proportions whereas everything else is based on cartoon/heroic proportions. Once things get to the render stage, I expect them to look better.

But anyone who think s a relaunch of Warzone is going to be just rehashing the original material isn't going to get what they want from this.

yeah they do look like Cybermen...well I'm playing them

There is a more detailed view of the Hussars (the only ones I was leery about) concept art and from a side profile, the helmets are a pretty good update of the 1st-edition Hussar. They are basically just missing helmet spikes (possibly a head option once they start playing with renders). I like the shoulder-pads. They still smack of Bauhaus but aren't jutting out three feet to either side of the model. It seems like the Hussar is going back to being the bog-standard low-level infantry they were in 1st Edition (they were closer to the Ducal Militia, in those days, for anyone more familiar with 2nd Edition and Ultimate). But I think showing of the side-view of the helmet and giving it the depth really helps on these guys.

Again, these are closer in concept to the 1st Edition "hockey-mask" Bauhaus than the 2nd Edition versions. After seeing multiple angles, I am actually starting to like them quite a bit.

And I also like the weapon re-designs.

But to each their own, I have a feeling that these are pretty early concepts, so what we end up with may well be quite different. But getting the close-up of the Hussar, it still screams BAUHAUS to me, albeit a modernized take on them.

And besides all of that:

A lightly-armoured female character not showing off any cleavage? Deliver her in a non-T&A pose and you will be heroes. She looks like a stone-cold bad ass.

I hope you are right. Where did you see the side shots?

It looks like they did a nice job on the brotherhood troopers I saw on the kickstarter page though, so here is hoping bauhaus are just really poor early concepts.

http://forum54.oli.us/index.php/topic,7152.msg57822.html#msg57822

Over on the Excelsior Games forums (and probably on Facebook). And looking over a bit more, it looks like Drachen has an Equalizer! How did they know that it was my favourite Bauhaus gun for all time?

But yeah, the Hussar's helmet isn't as flat as the head-on shot makes it look (protrudes out a bit for side-mounted vents). If you add a helmet-spike to it and change nothing else, then they look like Ducal Militia wearing 1st Edition Hussar helmets. And I'm glad to see that on Drachen they are keeping the concept of Special Forces specific Cresthelms with their own meanings (Templar eh? Interesting...).

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Brotherhood trooper! nice

Definitely going to throw some money at this (once I get paid). Probably at the Razide level so I can demo the game to other people. Now to choose which factions I want, one will definitely be The Brotherhood and I suspect the other will be Bauhaus but could just as easily be Cybertronic or Dark Legion.

Kinda disappointed by the lack of Imperials at launch but if they are done to the standards of everything else they'll be worth the wait.

Meh. It all seems a bit too expensive at this stage. If it starts to offer good value, I might jump on in the final days. If not, I may or may not buy some via an internet retailer.

I'm backing. Don't know which army to take though. Either Bauhaus or Brotherhood. Might add on some Cybertronic depending on what sort of add-ons become available.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
http://forum54.oli.us/index.php/topic,7152.msg57822.html#msg57822


Over on the Excelsior Games forums (and probably on Facebook). And looking over a bit more, it looks like Drachen has an Equalizer! How did they know that it was my favourite Bauhaus gun for all time?

But yeah, the Hussar's helmet isn't as flat as the head-on shot makes it look (protrudes out a bit for side-mounted vents). If you add a helmet-spike to it and change nothing else, then they look like Ducal Militia wearing 1st Edition Hussar helmets. And I'm glad to see that on Drachen they are keeping the concept of Special Forces specific Cresthelms with their own meanings (Templar eh? Interesting...).

Holy crap. I thought I was the only one that ever checked excelsior's site.

Yeah, still not a fan. I don't know if it's the posture or what of that sketch....no, pretty much hate everything about it. I never liked the hockey helmet Hussars. I really liked the 2nd ed Bauhaus esthetic. Really gas masky.

I mean this guy is bad ass!

Does anybody know if all the mega corporations vill show up evntually?

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
Does anybody know if all the mega corporations vill show up evntually?

I'm sure they will get to them Capitol is a kickstarter goal. I assume they will do Imperial and Mishima later.

Their website is down. Everybody probably hit it at once.

 kaiohx wrote:

Man, I hate this, but I think I'm going to have to skip this kickstarter and just find a set of rules post-release somewhere and use my old minis.

Umm. The rules in PDF are included in the £1 pledge level. That's pretty damn good value for the money. How much is a GW electronic book?

And how in the world is a £30 starter with 12 miniatures (two of which are either big or special characters), 75 cards, dice and rules more expensive than GW? £35 pound starter sets are right at the sweet spot for starters. Whether it's Infinity, Malifaux, Dystopian Wars, Warmachine/Hordes, Kings of War or Warpath, starter sets right around 30-35 pounds retail is right where things should be.

When people started talking about these being really expensive, I went back and looked at the numbers again and the price is around 14% off with free shipping in the UK, or if you're outside the UK, it works out to slightly more than retail after shipping. I think it'd be a good idea if they could get international shipping to be retail + free shipping. After all, they won't have to remit VAT on those sales, so that's 20% of the pledge available to cover shipping.

When you factor in that a full game is supposed to be in the 20-30 miniature range, so the starter gets you half way there, maybe more so depending on the points values of the special character or big model you get in there on top of the infantry.

This looks good to me! I can't really chip in right now, but I'll definitely be picking up the Dark Legion and Brotherhood starter sets as soon as I can. Best of luck with the Kickstarter!

A few things I did notice:

1) The video doesn't have any real content. This is where you want to put a real person in front of the camera (or at the very least narrating) and have them explain what the KS is all about and why people should pledge. The little trailer isn't good enough here.

2) The bonus stuff when stretch goals are hit don't create a sweet spot which provided momentum as people see it as such a good level to pledge as more things are added. If you announce some additional bonuses for Razide and higher at every Stretch goal that will encourage the selection of those reward levels and upgrading as the KS proceeds. I can't actually identify a sweet spot at all at this point.

3) Still no real painted miniature shots. This should have been done before the KS went live. You want to sell miniaturs? Show miniatures.

4) Length of 60 days. The more successful Kickstarters have been 30 day ones. Are you going to have enough real content to keep making meaningful updates for 60 days? And this is your KS, not a pre-KS teaser. Show real stuff and not little ovals with just the head of a miniature or just a gun and everything else greyed out. When you're at the point of getting funding from the end user, you should be showing them the real thing and not partial sneak peaks like the daily teasers you did before the KS went live.

5) Risks and Challenges is where you talk about the risks and challenges, not how good you are. Be honest here and actually talk about the risks and challenges rather than blowing smoke up people's butts about how reliable you are.

I'm sure there are other issues, but these are the ones that were obvious to me. Especially the poor video. Go watch the very first Reaper Kickstarter video and see what they included in their video.


http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min

We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.

Does this make sense to anyone?

So will you make new sculpts, resin and plastic require different kinds of sculpting, You can't just inject plastic into the same mold, even if the mold is now steel. When you design for plastic, I mean it can't be an after thought.

If you change to plastic which is much cheaper than resin, are you changing prices?

I guess I just don't see the point of the switch on material.

Also what is the deal with the cards, I see limited editions and things that look like booster packs as rewards. Is this going to have card collecting aspect where I have be hunting for cards and buying boosters and stuff? That would be a real deterrent.

Maybe they mean restic?

 agustin wrote:
or if you're outside the UK, it works out to slightly more than retail after shipping.

I'm not seeing pricing problems here at all. Especially when you factor in that a full game is supposed to be in the 20-30 miniature range, so the starter gets you half way there, maybe more so depending on the points values of the special character or big model you get in there on top of the infantry.

There's your pricing problem right there - assuming they want to sell this to people outside the UK...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe they mean restic?

Switching over to restic might be a bonus for them as its a cheaper material, but I don't see that as a bonus for the gamers unless it comes with a price decrease. Why would I pay the same for an inferior material?

This whole project seams a little......thrown together....or rushed.

I just hope I can add the figure case to the "Razide" level later on.

Andrew1975 wrote:

We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.

Does this make sense to anyone?

Doesn't make sense to me either.

If you change to plastic which is much cheaper than resin, are you changing prices?

Very good question.

Also what is the deal with the cards, I see limited editions and things that look like booster packs as rewards. Is this going to have card collecting aspect where I have be hunting for cards and buying boosters and stuff? That would be a real deterrent.

That would be a 100% deal breaker for me.

Azazelx wrote:
There's your pricing problem right there - assuming they want to sell this to people outside the UK...

Perhaps they don't. Perhaps operating just inside the UK is all they can handle right now. Maybe outside of the UK will be handled by distributors and whatnot at a later date, so for now, you don't get any savings for pre-ordering. It seems a bit short sighted though.


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 Steel Rabbit wrote:
I just hope I can add the figure case to the "Razide" level later on.

This should be an add on available now. They must know what KR is charging them to make the cases, so they should be able to offer it as an add on right now.


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 Andrew1975 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe they mean restic?

Switching over to restic might be a bonus for them as its a cheaper material, but I don't see that as a bonus for the gamers unless it comes with a price decrease. Why would I pay the same for an inferior material?

This whole project seams a little......thrown together....or rushed.

They couldn't even be bothered to have some painted miniatures pictures ready to go for when the KS went live. Perhaps you are right.

I'm also not a fan of "restic" either. It's okay, but it better come with a price drop on the starter. So should styrene (hard plastic) if they manage to go that route.


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O.o

What exactly is the KS for? Are we looking at funding for just those units, or the revamp of the whole game?

Have to admit they are a lot farther on then that other one, but there seem to be no figures in there, just the pretty pictures.

Any figure's done, yet that we can see?

That looks interesting, but seems like it's a little.... off.

 agustin wrote:
When people started talking about these being really expensive, I went back and looked at the numbers again and the price is around 14% off with free shipping in the UK, or if you're outside the UK, it works out to slightly more than retail after shipping. I think it'd be a good idea if they could get international shipping to be retail + free shipping. After all, they won't have to remit VAT on those sales, so that's 20% of the pledge available to cover shipping.

So, explain why someone outside the US would want to pay above retail when we can just wait a little while, especially if we don't care about Bauhaus. I play Brotherhood (already going in production and ready to go) and Mishima (not even on the block). Sorry, I'll wait till I can get 20% from Warstore or my LGS or something. And saying "Wooo, I get 14% off MSRP!!!" just makes you look ignorant. It is a arbitrary price set by the manufacturer, and in this case STILL on par with GW, which is insane in and of itself. Anyone who pays that is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome from so many years of paying GWs crazy prices.

You want a breakdown? Here you go:
GW - $37.25 for a set of 10 completely configurable tactical marines loaded with bits. It has enough bits that if you can find spare legs and maybe a few backpacks, you can make a ton of special characters or more troops.

Warzone KS - around $47 (at todays market). 10 single-pose minis (in several poses), a 'special' character, and a second character or a larger mini like a big power armor. Add $12 for shipping and we are up to almost $60. not sure where the 'deal' is.

Still no special extras like a KS exclusive mini, not even a sticker to say "I backed the WZ KS!". And the stretch goals.. the goals themselves are good. the rewards...man...where to begin on how silly those are. People ripped Wyrd in half for offering a pad of character sheets for TtB (hich in the end turned out to be a pretty sweet idea). These guys are gonna include a whole card for each goal. How generous.

So, tell me where this value is again? Maybe I've become a KS snob, but looking at the really successful ones, if your going to go the Kickstarter route, be prepared for it.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
Does anybody know if all the mega corporations vill show up evntually?

I'm sure they will get to them Capitol is a kickstarter goal. I assume they will do Imperial and Mishima later.

Their website is down. Everybody probably hit it at once.

It does seem so, they are talking about the five mega corporation and are mentioning unlocking 5th, 6th and 7th factions etc in the future, so I guess they are on their way as well!

 agustin wrote:
....you don't get any savings for pre-ordering.

I'd just like to point out that, despite how many KS projects are run, it isn't a system for pre-ordering.

Yeah, they need to sort out the video, post some actual photos, and clarify the plastic/resin query, but there's no reason why a small company who isn't being backed by CMON should offer big discounts on their product. Better to let it stand and die on its own merits.


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EDIT: If the official site is down, just check through Kickstarter itself: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

 kaiohx wrote:

So, explain why someone outside the US would want to pay above retail when we can just wait a little while, especially if we don't care about Bauhaus.

There is literally no reason to unless you want them before they trickle through distribution. Like it said, they should have found a way to make it work at retail + free shipping for outside the UK.

I play Brotherhood (already going in production and ready to go) and Mishima (not even on the block). Sorry, I'll wait till I can get 20% from Warstore or my LGS or something. And saying "Wooo, I get 14% off MSRP!!!" just makes you look ignorant. It is a arbitrary price set by the manufacturer, and in this case STILL on par with GW, which is insane in and of itself. Anyone who pays that is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome from so many years of paying GWs crazy prices.

I think you might be ignorant of current prices of miniatures. Take a look at Infinity, Malifaux, WM/H, Spartan Games, etc., and the prices of their starters. 35 pounds is not out of line. And roughly 14% off UK MSRP is totally consistent with how UK internet retailers discount things. I think you're the one demonstrating ignorance here.

You want a breakdown? Here you go:
GW - $37.25 for a set of 10 completely configurable tactical marines loaded with bits. It has enough bits that if you can find spare legs and maybe a few backpacks, you can make a ton of special characters or more troops.

Warzone KS - around $47 (at todays market). 10 single-pose minis (in several poses), a 'special' character, and a second character or a larger mini like a big power armor. Add $12 for shipping and we are up to almost $60. not sure where the 'deal' is.

The miniatures are resin so it'd probably be better to compare them to 12 GW finecast miniatures made up of 10 troopers, 1 character and 1 larger model. GW in that case comes out to around $100 (and that's being very generous).

So, tell me where this value is again?

For people in the UK. That's about it. They should really change the shipping rates for outside the UK so they don't pay more than their MSRP.

But the actual pricing of the starters is just about right for miniature games these days. Especially when the starter makes up about half of a full army.


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 cybogoblin wrote:

 agustin wrote:
....you don't get any savings for pre-ordering.

I'd just like to point out that, despite how many KS projects are run, it isn't a system for pre-ordering.

Yeah, they need to sort out the video, post some actual photos, and clarify the plastic/resin query, but there's no reason why a small company who isn't being backed by CMON should offer big discounts on their product. Better to let it stand and die on its own merits.

I actually agree. People have come to expect discounts whenever they buy things in advance and Kickstarters like the CMON ones, Reaper and Mantic's have cemented this impression.

There should be some sort of incentive for pledging though. Free shipping to your door is probably a good place to start. As it stand, I'll pay extra for pledging over waiting. I'm encouraged to wait by the prospect of paying more if I get in early.

I work at a games shop, so I can definitely wait for these figs to hit the shelves, but I really want these guys to know I'm out there, and I'm willing to support one of my favorite games.

Call me a moron, but there's my reason. I'm also employed, and can afford this (especially with some responsible planning, and an adherence to my hobby budget (something every gamer/hobbyest should have)).

 cybogoblin wrote:

 agustin wrote:
....you don't get any savings for pre-ordering.

I'd just like to point out that, despite how many KS projects are run, it isn't a system for pre-ordering.

This one pretty clearly is. Note the "everything will be at retail regardless in July" and "you can pre-order from our website as soon as the Kickstarter finishes." comments.

Really hoping that cards are not collectible or i stick with my old Ultimate Warzone for some game resurrection..

 agustin wrote:

I think you might be ignorant of current prices of miniatures. Take a look at Infinity, Malifaux, WM/H, Spartan Games, etc., and the prices of their starters. 35 pounds is not out of line. And roughly 14% off UK MSRP is totally consistent with how UK internet retailers discount things. I think you're the one demonstrating ignorance here.

Actually, if your paying 35 pounds for a Malifaux starter, YOUR the one getting ripped off. The new plastic crews are $35US typically, so that's what, 22 pounds? And again, retail is for suckers.

Its a shame this project is so UK-centric. So limiting, but hey, what can you do? At least it's making a return of sorts.

Vain wrote:Loving the look of the Bauhaus, but can't really tell if they are male or female...



Can I get confirmation on if they are:

1) All Male with Female hero
2) All Female with Female hero
3) Gender Neutral with Female hero

This is probably where I will be jumping in but would love to have them be Lady Storm Troops over regular Male, but the previous incarnations seem to have them all male except for heros.

It would be cool with a mix and if you got un-helmeted heads that were both male an female! The bodies could stay the same, you can hardly tell the difference between men and women with full battle gear anyway.

Ronin_eX wrote:There is a more detailed view of the Hussars (the only ones I was leery about) concept art and from a side profile, the helmets are a pretty good update of the 1st-edition Hussar. They are basically just missing helmet spikes (possibly a head option once they start playing with renders). I like the shoulder-pads. They still smack of Bauhaus but aren't jutting out three feet to either side of the model. It seems like the Hussar is going back to being the bog-standard low-level infantry they were in 1st Edition (they were closer to the Ducal Militia, in those days, for anyone more familiar with 2nd Edition and Ultimate). But I think showing of the side-view of the helmet and giving it the depth really helps on these guys.

Again, these are closer in concept to the 1st Edition "hockey-mask" Bauhaus than the 2nd Edition versions. After seeing multiple angles, I am actually starting to like them quite a bit.

And I also like the weapon re-designs.

But to each their own, I have a feeling that these are pretty early concepts, so what we end up with may well be quite different. But getting the close-up of the Hussar, it still screams BAUHAUS to me, albeit a modernized take on them.

And besides all of that:

A lightly-armoured female character not showing off any cleavage? Deliver her in a non-T&A pose and you will be heroes. She looks like a stone-cold bad ass.

I really agree with this! I never really liked any hussar mini though but these are awesome! It really helps seeing them in more angels though. And I totally agree about the female hero, she is really bad ass!

I know someone already posted this but here are more angels: http://forum54.oli.us/index.php/topic,7152.msg57822.html#msg57822

 kaiohx wrote:

Actually, if your paying 35 pounds for a Malifaux starter, YOUR the one getting ripped off. The new plastic crews are $35US typically, so that's what, 22 pounds? And again, retail is for suckers.

Mallfaux starters are cheaper. I had the impression of paying around $50 for mine, but that was with the mini rulebook and local taxes. But there was only like 5 miniatures in there and I don't remember any rules in there, only stat cards, so I still fail to see the problem with the pricing of these Warzone starters. 12 miniatures, with a full deck of cards and rules, £35 (which is about $55). So the price is right in line with other options in the market right now.

And if someone has a local store where they play and meet other gamers, they are certainly not being suckers by buying there.

Well, I guess the market will decide.

Looking at the Cybertronic renders on Kickstarter, I've spotted a really basic flaw - one that should hopefully be easily corrected before going to production.

Look at the tabs for the heads, torsos, legs. Square. Change those to round/domes and you immediately introduce a lot more flexibility in the kits to all users (not just those of us who will hack them off) while maintaining the strength of the joins (which we-who-will-hack-them-off) will lose.

Id like to back the project but the more I read into it the less sure I am. The Kickstarter page just isn't very specific, eg. I really wonder whether "plastic" means styrene, and whether pricing will be affected or not. Is the game going to be sold long-term in retail all around the world, or is this just a short-termed UK specific thing? I guess I'm not the only one who remembers the fate of previous Warzone incarnations...

Getting unsure about design as well. Its strange to see Alakhai look exactly like he did 15 years ago and yet Bauhaus Hussars are more like Half-Life 2 Combine mooks now. Hopefully the models will have options to give them more actual Mutant Chronicles identity (eg. kneepads, gas-mask or spiked helmet options).

Prices aren't too bad i think, nothing really different from the similar Relic Knight considering only the pledge level. CMON kickstarter however had many more interesting stretch goals which increased the value of the pledge.
They really need to explain the card mecanics, as you see you get extra cards with the troop boxes, what are these? Equipment for that unit? are they fixed or random???

So, now I'm a backer! I hope we unlock Capitol or even better Imperial! As for prices, I believe they are fair.

This whole thing looks even cheaper than Excelsior's attempt at bringing back Warzone, and we all know how that ended... Needless to say, any excitement I had for this has been put out of its misery. I'll be sticking to second-hand 1st/2nd edition minis to get my Warzone fix.

BTW, to the KS creator - please, for the love of God, PROOFREAD your content before submitting it, because the entire page is plagued with mistakes (Mortyficator, fraction, just to point out a couple). Moreover, make your list of stretch goals more readable, I had to zoom in to make out what it said.

 Steel Rabbit wrote:
I can definitely wait for these figs to hit the shelves, but I really want these guys to know I'm out there, and I'm willing to support one of my favorite games.

Call me a moron, but there's my reason. I'm also employed, and can afford this (especially with some responsible planning, and an adherence to my hobby budget (something every gamer/hobbyest should have)).

Ditto!

I am not employed, but I can afford it, because this year GW will see zero money from me. If the guys behind WZ do not mess up, they will see my whole hobby budget allocated to their products.

Saying that (and having already pledged at Necromutant level), I would also like to hear what Prodos Games has to say about a potential price decrease when/if they change the material of the starters from resin to plastic.

Also, what about the cards? Will they be collectible? I hope not.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


We also intend to sell through FLGS. So if you know one that you think should stock Warzone Resurrection, let us know!
Another key thing is that we have designed a new game system; one that like everything else in Warzone Resurrection is a mixture of old and new. Key to this is the skirmish approach and the D20 of old, but we have also incorporated algorithms from computer game programming (for balance) and card play (to represent environmental, wargear and personnel effects on the battle). But be assured, Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection is still primarily a tabletop 28mm scale miniature skirmish game and a very good, exciting and gripping one at that!

Kind Regards and Happy Gaming

Jarek, Mark and Michal (Prodos Games Ltd.)

Algorithms from coimputer game programming? Does it mean that we´d need a computer or tablet while playing?
I´m not a fan of games with cards, but it´s ok if the whole rule system is good.

I love the renders, but not the Bauhaus work in progress. I hope the Bauhaus miniatures to be much better.

Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

 unitstrogg wrote:
Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

I laughed at first, but you are actually onto something there, at least when it comes to the torso

 ergotoxin wrote:

 unitstrogg wrote:
Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

I laughed at first, but you are actually onto something there, at least when it comes to the torso

True, Vulcan's new design is too much on the skinny side. Although I was interested in Bauhaus, it was a deal breaker for me.

Kinda depressing to see so many people hating on it already. The Kickstarter practically just went up, I think we can at least give it a week or two before we officially declare it "dead", can't we?

For all the people saying this looks "rushed" or that they're "ill-prepared", I find that kind of silly seeing as how this is coming hot off the heels of the BGoA Kickstarter. On day one they're miles ahead of where they were at after a fething month, and since this one has about 60 days to go as well I expect we'll see more finished and even painted miniatures before it's all over.

Personally I didn't like finding out that it was a Kickstarter, like I said before I'm fething sick of them and it's even worse that it's a UK Kickstarter because it'll be a nightmare for me to back it at all. But while some people don't like the fact that this is essentially a pre-order since three of the four factions are going to be available no matter what, I'm actually relieved because I still get what I originally wanted, which was a chance to order product that doesn't hinge on the success of a crowd-funding campaign. There's still a Kickstarter to fund other factions and get them out quicker for people who are into that, but I like knowing that if I either choose not to back this or can't because my credit card company won't let me, then I can just buy it at retail in June. I kinda want to try and support the KS anyway, but I'm not sure about it yet. I'll ask my local store if they plan on supporting the game or not and if they do I might wait and buy it from them later.

One thing that worries me though is the card mechanic. I am not at all a fan of "lolrandom" game design, the likes of which GW have resorted to since they don't know what the feth they're doing anymore, and cards that cause random, potentially detrimental events reminds me too much of that. I'll try to remain confident though, because it seemed that their representative earlier in the thread was pretty worried about game balance so I doubt they would throw all that out the window with a "cinematic" card mechanic, but we'll see I guess.

The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

@Sidstyler - I totally agree, even though I haven't been super positive about things pre-kickstarter I'd say let's wait and see before we wright this off as a failure!

Having said that, I truly hope they scrap that Everassur and come up with something new. I'd say it looks like a weird take on GWs hellbrute and got nothing to do with the MC-universe...

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
@Sidstyler - I totally agree, even though I haven't been super positive about things pre-kickstarter I'd say let's wait and see before we wright this off as a failure!

Having said that, I truly hope they scrap that Everassur and come up with something new. I'd say it looks like a weird take on GWs hellbrute and got nothing to do with the MC-universe...

Mate, I agree with every single word you said. Well, apart from the excitement part - I was super positive since the beginning!

@Prodos; Guys, seriously, the Everassur is a really bad choice for the starter box. You can keep him as an add-on or something, but as it is right now, this model is bringing low the otherwise stunning Cybertronic box. Couldn't you replace him with a Machinator?

I'm just saying the current art direction is too much of a stretch. I mean, this is what Mutant Chronicles/Bauhaus used to mean... Not that it didn't need updating, but right now there are much more differences than similarities...

I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

Since we got you , could you please answer these questions as well?

1) Will the cards be collectible?
2) If the starters get released in plastic, does it mean that their price will drop?

Thanks for keeping us updated!

Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

As expected, the Bauhaus redesign is stirring the old guard. Oh well, can't please them all...

By the way, the KS is about halfway there. Wonder how much they can get before the inevitable post 48 hours slump.

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 reppy wrote:
I hope that computer algorhytm means that the rules of the games follow a structure similar to computer algorhytm and not that a pc is needed to play....

Speaking of the miniatures i like them, although the Bauhaus is strange, they're really different from the original, total new design. The Vulkan is too slim, it seems a normal soldier with a party costume.

It means that you will get BALANCED game (units, heroes and mechanic in general), as imbalance was one of reasons why Warzone was dying 3 times... and our goal is not to go that way

We want to make game where your strategy and Tactic is key to victory, not a brand new Army Book (if you got my point ).

Regarding Cybertronic model, its one of new heroes, more to come, including old ones.

Since we got you , could you please answer these questions as well?

1) Will the cards be collectible?
2) If the starters get released in plastic, does it mean that their price will drop?

Thanks for keeping us updated!

answers blow.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
As expected, the Bauhaus redesign is stirring the old guard. Oh well, can't please them all...

By the way, the KS is about halfway there. Wonder how much they can get before the inevitable post 48 hours slump.

If by old guard you mean people not taken with the generic, uninspired, bare-bones FPS troopers and the cardboard Vulkan cosplayer you put out, then I agree.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Thanks

 -DE- wrote:
If by old guard you mean people not taken with the generic, uninspired, bare-bones FPS troopers and the cardboard Vulkan cosplayer you put out, then I agree.

Yeah, exactly those people.

Before I answer your questions I feel that I need to explain something:
Why cards, to open up unlimited spectrum of strategies, tactics and combos in game…

Have 3 types of cards in game, Strategy, Global Strategy and Gear.
Strategy cards can affect your quads characteristic/ change type of weapon (issue different ammo type, or change type of your squad armour) for one Game Round (can be negated by enemy), also they can affect the game mechanic a bit (again in balanced way).

Global strategy, these cards can affect battlefield (for instance you can drop “Fog bomb” which is reducing all range of weapons by ½) or you can boos cover save, or remove cover save or create cover in open terrain ect…. For one Round (can be negated by enemy..

Gear Card, these are basically upgrades to your squad, mainly affecting weapons but also can give squad special abilities (for instance “medic packs” can give your squad Heal Roll – negates effect on Wound, on (1-4 on D20) - 20%) these cards stay with squad until is negated by enemy.

Every card has its value so you have to buy strategy, nnd how? You have Res points (resources), you start game with X number of Res Cards (depending on class of your hero), then every round you can add one from your hand.

Answer to your question is No, but we will make special pack (different drawing only) for peoples who would like to have a “special” issued cards (for example kickstarter ones)

For us, most important is game balance, and having “Rare Cards” won’t help!

Regarding plastic, yes we you will get lost of free stuff once we hit “plastic stretch goal”. 

The movie with game play will be up this weekend!

It's totally cool to simply say "see the above post for info about cards" rather than cut and paste it. People can scroll up or load a previous page.

Good to hear about the game play video. And that the cards won't be about fishing for rares. And that the computer algorithm thing is about balance and not needing a computer at the table.

The plastic issue hasn' t been clarified though. Will the retail MSRP change if the starters are made plastic? When you say "plastic" what material do you mean?

Also, I absolutely love the brotherhood renders. Can't wait to see pics of actual miniatures for those.

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

 Capamaru wrote:

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

Thanks .... can say much but Chronopia is also in "our brains"

 Capamaru wrote:

 agustin wrote:
The computer algorithm thing is even more worrisome than cards in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has declared it dead whatsoever. At this point, a lot of the criticism has been quite constructive.

Scorning and "constructive criticism" are separated by a very thin line sir. We the very list we can do is encourage antagonism since that is the only way to have cheaper and better products. GW and their childish 40k has been around the block for quite some time and the only reason we keep on playing is the lack of other alternatives. I too was into warzone in the 90s and I missed the game despite the horrific miniatures. Any way I hope for the best and I am gonna contribute my money on this, keeping my fingers crossed and waiting for chronopia .

No, scorn and constructive criticism are worlds apart. Sometimes people may confuse one for the other, but they accomplish the exact opposite of one another.

I absolutely want to see this project succeed. I even swapped my avatar in honour of it. I've also told all my local gaming buddies about it. I have an awesome local store that I buy from and I've already emailed them about it and placed my pre-order with them for a Brotherhood and Dark Legion starter. While I may not be directly contributing to the Kickstarter, I'm going to make damn sure that a local group of players gets into the game and that my local store brings it in for us.

I think a lot of the Kickstarter specific criticism has been super constructive. As in that addressing real issues can help bring in more pledges from people who might be sitting on the fence.

My favorite thing about this new Warzone is that it is happening. Regardless of the KS, starter sets are getting released this summer. The Kickstarter is also funding rapidly and is already half way to be funded. So it looks like Bauhaus will be a reality as well. I hope it goes farther and that my questions and suggestions can help get it there.

EDIT: If there was one available, I would also put a Warzone KS banner as my signature like how I see some DreamForge KS ones still around. That'd be awesome.

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The only faction I care about is Bauhaus, and I'm concerned at the concept art. I won't be pledging until I see some modelling/sculpts done... they're just too generic and boring as is. I always liked Bauhaus because of the... severity?... of their armor. Not sure how to better describe it.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

There's a difference between constructive criticism (which much in this thread has been) and outright hating. GoA attracted quite a lot of criticism, as it was atrociously run. This one is a bit of a disappointment, as there are no real incentives to back for those of us outside of the UK - it'll be cheaper at retail, after all. Another, quite relevant and fair criticism is the fact that they don't appear to have a native English speaker proofreading their content, as displayed by the use of "Fraction" instead of "Faction". While it might seem a minor thing, we're looking at a rulebook as a key part of the forthcoming game. This KS has a much more realistic target than GoA, which is to be expected as they apparently are close to production. They will have no problem hitting their target given the pledge levels so far achieved. How far they get down the stretch goal road is what remains to be seen.

I'm personally quite disappointed in the fact that it's a KS, and moreso that it's a low-value KS (no savings from RRP - so why bother?) I'll follow this thread and reply to commentary from time to time, but my excitement in the re-release has pretty much been squashed - at least until it hits retail, when I'll probably buy a few things rather than going big on the KS. Though I'm now much more likely to dig out my old figures and 1st Edition rulebook for some skirmish fun at home with friends, so that's something at least.

Ooo, do not love those Hussars. They remind me too much of the minions you'd see in an old Flash Gordon serial.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

You tell 'em, One Post Wonder!

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

I really hope you never go to Board Game Geek....

Tell me the following dorky pose is optional? Please?

Actually you have to build them all that way. I'm very sorry.

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Oh no doubt. At least there are space zombies in this one.

 agustin wrote:

I absolutely want to see this project succeed. ...

I think a lot of the Kickstarter specific criticism has been super constructive. As in that addressing real issues can help bring in more pledges from people who might be sitting on the fence.

My favorite thing about this new Warzone is that it is happening.

I am totally with Augustin on this one.
IMO the overall tone of this topic is friendly and constructive. Most really want WZ to succeed!

Let us keep it that way.
So Prodos: Jjust give us more info and a lot of the above discussions would not even arise (e.g "What are the cards doing?")

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm personally quite disappointed in the fact that it's a KS, and moreso that it's a low-value KS (no savings from RRP - so why bother?) I'll follow this thread and reply to commentary from time to time, but my excitement in the re-release has pretty much been squashed - at least until it hits retail, when I'll probably buy a few things rather than going big on the KS. Though I'm now much more likely to dig out my old figures and 1st Edition rulebook for some skirmish fun at home with friends, so that's something at least.

Not to pick on you specifically, but mainly to everyone who's like "I HATE THIS IT'S A KICKSTARTER WAAHHH", they've gone out of their way to appease the anti-Ks crowd and to point out that you don't need to participate in the KS, and can still just buy whatever you want when the release date hits:

"We understand some people are not keen on the concept of ‘Kickstarter’ and as such wanted to explain a couple of things.
1. We intend for all products we have developed so far for the first 3 factions to be available in June 2013. The Kickstarter project (its success or failure) will not affect these plans.
2. We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.
If you do not wish to support a Kickstarter project, but still want a Warzone Resurrection force (or two), you will be able to pre-order them from our website (warzonegame.com), after the Kickstarter, to receive in June. Or you can order them for near-immediate delivery after the release date from the same site. "

The initial concept designs for Bauhaus are a let down. The Hussars might turn up to be fine with some tweaks (currently they look like extras from a low cost Sci Fi movie, very dull and losing part of the strong charisma the old concepts have), but the Vulkan...

That's a Vulkan:



or this



but not a dude in a cosplay costume made of cardboards!
Seriously, the Vulkan should be reworked from start. It's meant to be a 55 mm battlesuit!

I always thought the roll cage vulcan was kind of silly looking, but I think the second one is pretty cool. The concept art looks more like the second one but with everything squared off and slimmed down. And the forearms sort of have a modular look to them.

I'm looking forward to seeing a render (or better yet a miniature) before I decide if I like it or not. The Bauhaus concept art is simply not enough to go on.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Before I answer your questions I feel that I need to explain something:
Why cards, to open up unlimited spectrum of strategies, tactics and combos in game…

Have 3 types of cards in game, Strategy, Global Strategy and Gear.
Strategy cards can affect your quads characteristic/ change type of weapon (issue different ammo type, or change type of your squad armour) for one Game Round (can be negated by enemy), also they can affect the game mechanic a bit (again in balanced way).

Global strategy, these cards can affect battlefield (for instance you can drop “Fog bomb” which is reducing all range of weapons by ½) or you can boos cover save, or remove cover save or create cover in open terrain ect…. For one Round (can be negated by enemy..

Gear Card, these are basically upgrades to your squad, mainly affecting weapons but also can give squad special abilities (for instance “medic packs” can give your squad Heal Roll – negates effect on Wound, on (1-4 on D20) - 20%) these cards stay with squad until is negated by enemy.

Every card has its value so you have to buy strategy, nnd how? You have Res points (resources), you start game with X number of Res Cards (depending on class of your hero), then every round you can add one from your hand.

Answer to your question is No, but we will make special pack (different drawing only) for peoples who would like to have a “special” issued cards (for example kickstarter ones)

For us, most important is game balance, and having “Rare Cards” won’t help!

Regarding plastic, yes we you will get lost of free stuff once we hit “plastic stretch goal”. 

The movie with game play will be up this weekend!

I love all of this stuff. Sounds great. I love you guys.
You have my support.

I do have to admit that I like the concept art for Angelika. It'd be nice to see the mini look like that.

Dear oh dear,

Why do people keep screaming for 'freebies' and 'value' right at the start of a KS

Yes projects like Bones and Sedition Wars (& other CMON projects) had great value at the END, but this was slowly built up via many, many stretch goals

give this a chance to fund, then set some stretch targets before you ask for 'better than retail'

If towards the end of the project they have overfunded massively and the value still isn't there thens the time to complain

and to those in the US wanting free international shipping.... welcome to the world of KS we in the rest of the world have to work with (and you won't even end up with the import taxes/VAT we in Europe have to pay when we back US projects)

Well if those current Bauhaus regulars get the option for a separate head that is more retro then i am all for it and yes the Vulcan need some fattening

Well, UK prices do include 20% VAT and when you don't have to remit that to the government that goes a long way to subsidize shipping. The reverse isn't true for US projects. And if Prodos is not VAT registered, they really should talk to an accountant about how revenue from Kickstarter will be seen by the tax office.

also please don't forget we are working under license, therefore some revenue from Mutant Chronicles is going back to Paradox, but we will give away as much as possible on Kickstarter

Thanks for understanding

I will say that so far Prodos has been responsive to constructive criticism so there is room for improvement for Bauhaus. I also find the battlesuits lacking but Prodos already said it was just a concept drawing.

M.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
also please don't forget we are working under license, therefore some revenue from Mutant Chronicles is going back to Paradox, but we will give away as much as possible on Kickstarter

Thanks for understanding

This actually makes a lot of sense. I must admit I totally forgot about this aspect. Margins are always tighter on licensed products.

There's no point in running a Kickstarter and ending off not having anything left after fulfillment.

I'd like to see this succeed. This is one of the few kickstarters recently I'm actually in to even if it is in funny money

I'll probably be backing for the Cartel level if this gets to plastics. If not then the basic level with a couple of troop boxes added on.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Before I answer your questions I feel that I need to explain something:
Why cards, to open up unlimited spectrum of strategies, tactics and combos in game…

Have 3 types of cards in game, Strategy, Global Strategy and Gear.
Strategy cards can affect your quads characteristic/ change type of weapon (issue different ammo type, or change type of your squad armour) for one Game Round (can be negated by enemy), also they can affect the game mechanic a bit (again in balanced way).

Global strategy, these cards can affect battlefield (for instance you can drop “Fog bomb” which is reducing all range of weapons by ½) or you can boos cover save, or remove cover save or create cover in open terrain ect…. For one Round (can be negated by enemy..

Gear Card, these are basically upgrades to your squad, mainly affecting weapons but also can give squad special abilities (for instance “medic packs” can give your squad Heal Roll – negates effect on Wound, on (1-4 on D20) - 20%) these cards stay with squad until is negated by enemy.

Every card has its value so you have to buy strategy, nnd how? You have Res points (resources), you start game with X number of Res Cards (depending on class of your hero), then every round you can add one from your hand.

Answer to your question is No, but we will make special pack (different drawing only) for peoples who would like to have a “special” issued cards (for example kickstarter ones)

For us, most important is game balance, and having “Rare Cards” won’t help!

Regarding plastic, yes we you will get lost of free stuff once we hit “plastic stretch goal”. 

The movie with game play will be up this weekend!

Many many thanks! And there are indeed many the reasons to thank you:

1) You are bringing back WZ!
2) You are doing it in a way that is exciting indeed.
3) For what you just said about the cards. I LOVE the way this new system sounds.
4) For providing answers, keeping us updated and being responsive to our feedback. I hope you will continue conducting your business like this, because I think that a customer-open company is what this hobby really needs. I from my side have already pledged my loyalty to you, if not for your promising product, definitely for your business ethos.

Sirs, you had our attention. Now, you have our wallets. Keep it on!!!!

P.S.: Did I read Chronopia? Oh my, oh my!

 -DE- wrote:
This whole thing looks even cheaper than Excelsior's attempt at bringing back Warzone, and we all know how that ended... Needless to say, any excitement I had for this has been put out of its misery. I'll be sticking to second-hand 1st/2nd edition minis to get my Warzone fix.

BTW, to the KS creator - please, for the love of God, PROOFREAD your content before submitting it, because the entire page is plagued with mistakes (Mortyficator, fraction, just to point out a couple). Moreover, make your list of stretch goals more readable, I had to zoom in to make out what it said.

I was initially a bit excited due to some of the preview pics but the chosen factions (except for Bauhaus) pretty much coincide with my least favorite ones in the old game as I preferred the corporate nation-state wars more than the demons-vs-space church side of the game. Add to that very lackluster "deals" on the kickstarter that don't even equal the discount you'd get from your average internet retailer and you've just got a very risky preorder. I'll just wait and see what the other factions end up looking like and possibly buy them when they're released and there is no risk.

I'm not sure if it's possible to be old fashioned with Kickstarters but I see them as a vehicle for the company to generate good will, excitement, and an instant community for the release of the product in return for customers basically getting discounts roughly between what a store and distributor would pay. Most of the successful tabletop gaming kickstarters seem to have the company NOT sell at a loss but rather to the end consumer at the same price they'd normally pay to the middlemen. Both sides win. I see no benefit for US customers to order through this 60 day preorder period with its inherent risks (international transaction, preorder with a new unknown company, etc) rather than simply buying the same things for the same price or even less with ZERO risk from well known retailers that will have the items in stock.

 unitstrogg wrote:
Vulkans should be more like this!:
http://oi45.tinypic.com/2w50cvo.jpg

While I agree that your stretched out version looks better, you run into the same problems with it as space marines in power armor do. They're going for realistic proportions and no realistic human could fit in that with any mobility in the arms and legs. The suit isn't large enough for a cockpit with controls like in Heavy Gear but is rather worn with arms going into arms, legs going into legs. If a human tried that with they stretched suit, he'd end up being a steroid superfreak space marine build (which is fine for 40k but not this).

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Welcome to dakka. I'm glad you can apparently make such sweeping declarations in your first day on your first post as an expert. If I were a cynic, I'd be thinking the words puppet and sock in no particular order. People are voicing valid criticisms that you are free to address but seem to be ignoring in favor of criticizing the community.

Ok, the explanation on the cards was really necessary now i think i can pledge for this game. I repeat that the cost dosen't seem too high for me, at least for the first half of the pledge levels.

Okay, that original Vulcan design is really dorky looking. I'm sorry, but the new one is much better looking. It at least looks like plausible military hardware. It seems to be channeling a bit of the Studio Nue Starship Troopers power armor design.

And this is my first UK KS. Am I supposed to add the shipping cost to my pledge total in the pledge manager?

 Steel Rabbit wrote:
Awesome news! The only two factions I don't own for Warzone are the Brotherhood and the Dark Legion so I'll definitely spring for the two starter pledge once I get home.

For those of you who are worried about the price of the Kickstarter minis vs. what they'd be in stores: don't forget that the higher the pledges get the more stuff gets added in. THAT'S where tabletop games on Kickstarter get into the "good deal" territory.

Well, for the time being, nearly every tier is roughly equal as a cost proposition.

 warboss wrote:
If I were a cynic, I'd be thinking the words puppet and sock in no particular order.

He could be a lurker. Then again, even with how outspoken Dakka can be today, it has nothing on Ye Olden Days. Back then one could etch steel with the acid and vitriol extracted from some of the threads.

 Barzam wrote:
And this is my first UK KS. Am I supposed to add the shipping cost to my pledge total in the pledge manager?

It did it automatically for me when I placed my pledge.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 warboss wrote:
If I were a cynic, I'd be thinking the words puppet and sock in no particular order.

He could be a lurker. Then again, even with how outspoken Dakka can be today, it has nothing on Ye Olden Days. Back then one could etch steel with the acid and vitriol extracted from some of the threads.

 Barzam wrote:
And this is my first UK KS. Am I supposed to add the shipping cost to my pledge total in the pledge manager?

It did it automatically for me when I placed my pledge.

By the way, do you have any news about your Attila design? Does Prodos plan to adopt your take on the mini?

I'll probably hold off until we get closer to seeing the Capitol or Imperial stuff, as those were 2 of the 3 factions that I played, with Bauhaus being the 3rd.

Not terribly impressed with the Bauhaus concept-art so far, but I'll reserve final judgement until we see a render or two.


Pardon me, if this has already been answered, but when you say "plastic" are we referring to injection-molded plastic? Or are we referring to "plastic-resin", such as what Mantic has used?

Or possibly spun-cast like Trollforged.

I just realised that AGAIN you have to have a Facebook account to go to the KS linked design forum!

Why so?
I honestly do not see much use in joining Facebook - and I presume I am not the only one - so why prohibit possible customers?

Well, I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack of Imperials (and here I am making a cosplay and everything! jeez! ). HOWEVER I really hope this is successful, since that'll mean you can get in the other Mega Corps later. And at the rate its going I'm more than certain you'll get there.

I'm going to wait until that point myself. Good luck Prodos Games!

Never played or owned any minis from the original war zone but definately feel the new art direction is a change for the better even if it isn't quite there yet. Definately peaking my interest.

 CorpBoltman wrote:
Well, I'm a little bit disappointed by the lack of Imperials (and here I am making a cosplay and everything! jeez! ). HOWEVER I really hope this is successful, since that'll mean you can get in the other Mega Corps later. And at the rate its going I'm more than certain you'll get there.

I'm going to wait until that point myself. Good luck Prodos Games!

Well Capitol is 80k so maybe Imperial at 160k? I'm thinking this KS is more like a Mantic one where the game is coming out anyway, but KS will improve the components and also help fund the planned releases much, much sooner.

I am going to hold of investing anything until I see the lay of the land after a good few weeks have passed. As it is nothing really interests me in the KS.

In at the Razide level, can't wait to see how high this climbs (I will be hovering around Kicktraq until April). It's already at 56% of the goal and it hasn't been 24 hours yet.

I actually love the sound of the cards. But I'm a 2nd Edition 40k lover, so tactile stuff always gets my vote. Just so long as the rules on the cards are referenced elsewhere (I like them as quick reference, not the only reference; that is something 40k got really, really wrong in 2nd Edition). I also feel like this will see a return of the the big army-wide special rules from 1st Edition (I loved screaming "THE MOMENT HAS COME!" before seizing initiative for a turn). Either way, going with cards as a quick reference tool is a great idea. I wonder if double-blind deployment is making a return, one of Excelsior's best additions to Warzone.

I'm glad to hear that you'll be using some kind of algorithm/rubric to price out minis. That should be tweakable enough to allow for easy adjustment throughout the process and it can hopefully reach the level of balance (or hopefully even exceed) that Ultimate Warzone managed (but, you know, without dying after ).

Either way I'm down for a Cybertronic starter and the eventual Bauhaus starter. I'll probably be adding a squad of Venusian Rangers in if we make it to that stretch goal.

Good luck to Prodos.

Welcome to dakka. I'm glad you can apparently make such sweeping declarations in your first day on your first post as an expert. If I were a cynic, I'd be thinking the words puppet and sock in no particular order. People are voicing valid criticisms that you are free to address but seem to be ignoring in favor of criticizing the community.

@warboss

Well it couldn't be that I have browsed dakka for years just never registered until today as had perhaps recently been following the GOA kickstarter and now mutant chronicles and maybe perhaps , having become a little tired of the naysaying of certain members of the community , not the entire community decided I'd register and add some of my own ' constructive criticism ' of the criticisers.

Just pledged at the Razide level, quite impressive that the Kickstarter is already over £20k. Looking forward to more information over the coming days. Definitely liking the sound of the cards to add a sort of fog of war to the game.

An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

Those look quite good, actually. May need to buy a few boxes after release.

At this point, I'll be going in just for the 1 pound PDF rulebook.

12 figs for 46 bucks isn't a terrible deal, but not nearly enough to entice me.

However, if the quantity of miniatures goes up when they hit the plastic stretch goal (which they should reach soon) I might actually get in on the Bauhaus if the artwork looks promising (which it doesn't yet).

I have a squad of old metal Etoiles Mortant on the way from a buddy, maybe they need some friends...

Sidstyler wrote:Actually you have to build them all that way. I'm very sorry.

Consul Scipio wrote:Tell me the following dorky pose is optional? Please?

Sidstyler wrote:Actually you have to build them all that way. I'm very sorry.

Brotherhood Chant..."Shoot me in the chest while I shake my fist at you!"
Knowing my luck you're probably right! Thanks I needed that, btw work has been challenging today.

His Master's Voice wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I hope Bauhaus is just a work in progress. Otherwise, those are some static minis if I ever saw any.

That might be because they're concepts.

His Master's Voice wrote:As expected, the Bauhaus redesign is stirring the old guard. Oh well, can't please them all...

By the way, the KS is about halfway there. Wonder how much they can get before the inevitable post 48 hours slump.

His Master's Voice wrote:

 -DE- wrote:
If by old guard you mean people not taken with the generic, uninspired, bare-bones FPS troopers and the cardboard Vulkan cosplayer you put out, then I agree.

Yeah, exactly those people.

You are sounding a bit defensive HMV. Just an observation. Also, people not being enthralled by new designs =/= Old Guard hating on the New Guard.

These designs deviate quite a lot from the original designs. Since Prodos will be relying a bit on nostalgia, they may be too far deviated.

I like the direction the Vulkan is headed in but it needs more refining and tied back to the older aesthetic in my opinion. I love the idea of putting the shoulder pads down onto the arms and think that should be applied to the Brotherhood as well (in addition to making their pads smaller still). The rest of the Bauhaus concepts presented here are pretty bland. One thing that Warzone/Mutant Chronicles could never be accused of in the past was being bland...

Your work in sculpture and illustration is fantastic from what I have seen in your threads HMV. If you intend to do more work of the concept variety in the future you should really learn to not take criticism personally. Also, learn a bit more about the design work. The ability to illustrate =/= the ability to design. They are different disciplines.


I like the new figures shown. Is it possible to put the gun stock on the inside of the elbow where it belongs? If not, please look into making that change.

Looking forward to more.

~Eric

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

These Undead Legionaries look amazing but their bases are too big. Now I am all for using 25mm ones. Could you also give Mishima players some info about their favourite army?

 AAN wrote:
I just realised that AGAIN you have to have a Facebook account to go to the KS linked design forum!

Why so?
I honestly do not see much use in joining Facebook - and I presume I am not the only one - so why prohibit possible customers?

AAN we will have a forum on our website very soon: warzonegame.com
Until then we are using Facebook for this, and as I've said previously, we will continue posting on the interested forums everything posted on FB, unless some one else gets there first (which they often do )

Also I'm not sure we can or should link to the other forums for various different reasons!

Taarnak wrote:
You are sounding a bit defensive HMV. Just an observation.

An observation based on what?

Look, I don't really care what people think of those, I only cared about my customer being satisfied. Both Prodos and Paradox reviewed and accepted my redesign, I got paid, case closed. I don't even mind people coming up with bs like 'cardboard boxes cosplay'. Most people on the internet know everything about everything, including visual design, so who cares.

Really, Prodos can and should scrap my work and do another round if they think they'll sell more stuff that way.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Taarnak wrote:
You are sounding a bit defensive HMV. Just an observation.

An observation based on what?

Look, I don't really care what people think of those, I only cared about my customer being satisfied. Both Prodos and Paradox reviewed and accepted my redesign, I got paid, case closed. I don't even mind people coming up with bs like 'cardboard boxes cosplay'. Most people on the internet know everything about everything, including visual design, so who cares.

Really, Prodos can and should scrap my work and do another round if they think they'll sell more stuff that way.

Did you design the Bauhaus concepts? Consider me a fan, then. After seeing the full shots on the forum, they actually look like plausible real-life designs (especially the Vulkan, looks like the current USA/Darpa powered armor that's being developed, with armor put on). Retains the style and makes it realistic.

Yeah, I like those legionaries.

 judgedoug wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Taarnak wrote:
You are sounding a bit defensive HMV. Just an observation.

An observation based on what?

Look, I don't really care what people think of those, I only cared about my customer being satisfied. Both Prodos and Paradox reviewed and accepted my redesign, I got paid, case closed. I don't even mind people coming up with bs like 'cardboard boxes cosplay'. Most people on the internet know everything about everything, including visual design, so who cares.

Really, Prodos can and should scrap my work and do another round if they think they'll sell more stuff that way.

Did you design the Bauhaus concepts? Consider me a fan, then. After seeing the full shots on the forum, they actually look like plausible real-life designs (especially the Vulkan, looks like the current USA/Darpa powered armor that's being developed, with armor put on). Retains the style and makes it realistic.

Can you repost the pics from the facebook forums for those of us not into the social media scene?

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Did you design the Bauhaus concepts? Consider me a fan, then. After seeing the full shots on the forum, they actually look like plausible real-life designs (especially the Vulkan, looks like the current USA/Darpa powered armor that's being developed, with armor put on). Retains the style and makes it realistic.

Can you repost the pics from the facebook forums for those of us not into the social media scene?

These are what I'm talking about

Had to register just to throw my two cents in, as I never thought WarZone would be raised from the dead (again) ! So, very happy to see it happen.

Those Legionnaires look really sweet and I am simply delighted to see that some of them still wield the same old Kratachs, as I was always strangely fond of this assault rifle. Hell, it was better than Mishima's standard AR (was it "Shogun" ??) in WZ 1st ED

One thing though, I am not keen on using such potent characters as Dominic or Alakhai in starter boxes, I'd rather see some high-ranking but ordinary Brotherhood member and a Nepharite. But that's just my personal preference, I never liked using named characters / great heroes in any skirmish game, the way I see it they should be more like a legend, leading hundreds or thousands of troops, not taking to the battlefield themselves accompanied by a handful of grunts and - oh look, what are the odds! - encountering their equivalent in the enemy ranks, it always seemed silly.

Anyway, best of luck with WZ: Res, I can't wait to unleash some big, bad Dark Legion boys on humanity once more

I think the current designs are too close to each other and not close enough to original Warzone. We have the cybertronic faction, we have the cybermen faction, and we have the cylon faction. Two factions also have mutated, bare-chested humanoids. Where are the humans, where are the mega-corps?





Every Warzone starter had the Imperials as its centerpiece. Why is their existence totally ignored in this kickstarter. Aren't they one of the most popular Warzone factions? I think, the choice of units and factions is unfortunate. Guess I have to wait a year, until I might join this game.

 judgedoug wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Did you design the Bauhaus concepts? Consider me a fan, then. After seeing the full shots on the forum, they actually look like plausible real-life designs (especially the Vulkan, looks like the current USA/Darpa powered armor that's being developed, with armor put on). Retains the style and makes it realistic.

Can you repost the pics from the facebook forums for those of us not into the social media scene?

These are what I'm talking about

Thanks. I personally think it looks cool despite liking the more exaggerated scifi version a bit more. I'd be surprised if it stayed the exact same proportions as the cybertronic stuff still kept (a bit too much IMO) the exaggerated thickness guns.

From their Facebook:

I don't understand all the fuss about the new bauhaus stuff! To me, it looks like the best conceps we've seen this far and have way more bauhaus feel to them than the cybertronic stuff got a cybertronic feel to them! Sure they might need some minor twitches but they are imo pretty awesome anyway! Can't wait to see the renders let alone miniatures!

The everasseur, now that's the real criminal if you ask me!

And the legionnaires looks awesome btw! Much better than I'd expect!

Lads, Just quick note about Bauhaus.

These are just concepts arts and final decision will be made once we have 3Ds. So there is nothing to be worry about as we wont send to production anything that fans would hate!

Looks good so far, but i would like to see more before i do anything. Like how many different different troop choices there is in the factions, what they look like, a little bit of how the game plays.

Like the renders so far but hopefully there will be some painted minis up there to show soon.

Isnt the cuirassier and Atilla the same thing? The artwork for it looked so lovely, but the transition to 3D render of it looks really crappy. Chest armor shrunk, the wide arms and shoulders changed and legs looks weird. The whole thing looks like it got shrunk down from big bad as to more toy looking.

Not really sold on the Bauhaus, they look a little bit boring to me, especially the big robot. Troopers looks ok but needs some work to make them look good. Helmet needs something, maybe widen the lower part of the helmet to make it look more like the German ww1/2 helmet and put some gas mask filters on the lower side of it where there are what i think is holes. The upper part of the shoulder armor looks wrong to, i think it would have looked better if the "fins" on the upper part of the shoulder were pointing up instead of out to the sides where it makes no sense to have them. Chest i cant realy comment on since i have only seen it from front and back, i would like to see it from the side to.
As it stands now, if i go Bauhaus il go with dreamforge and slightly converted Dust Warfare miniatures

The Razide is easy my favorite of them, it looks big and bad! I will easily get on of those no matter what!

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I don't understand all the fuss about the new bauhaus stuff! To me, it looks like the best conceps we've seen this far and have way more bauhaus feel to them than the cybertronic stuff got a cybertronic feel to them! Sure they might need some minor twitches but they are imo pretty awesome anyway! Can't wait to see the renders let alone miniatures!

The everasseur, now that's the real criminal if you ask me!

And the legionnaires looks awesome btw! Much better than I'd expect!

I think the Everasseur is just fine as well. Not every piece of Cybertronic art is symmetrical and sleek. Plenty of the Mutant Chronicles stuff, Dark Eden designs, and 2nd Edition designs were chunky, utilitarian and covered in tubes, rivets and other dieselpunk trappings. The Ev simply seems to be pegging on that rather than the sleeker Curriaser minis. Hell, I'm mostly picking up the Cyber box just to get that sucker.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
So there is nothing to be worry about as we wont send to production anything that fans would hate!

Oh no, we'll be at this for forever!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Lads, Just quick note about Bauhaus.

These are just concepts arts and final decision will be made once we have 3Ds. So there is nothing to be worry about as we wont send to production anything that fans would hate!

Beautiful concepts if you ask me! But will you be doing anything about the everasseur? I don't mean to be rude but it does look a bit over-worked and bulky...

Bubbalicious wrote:
i think it would have looked better if the "fins" on the upper part of the shoulder were pointing up instead of out to the sides where it makes no sense to have them.

I actually made them a bit to short. Right now they do not cover the neck area completely from the side in resting position and only do it properly when in firing position. If they were to point up they'd a) provide no cover to the neck area from the side when the arm is raised, b) limit the movement of the arm to about 90 degrees up.

 god.ra wrote:
From their Facebook:

Need these now!!

Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

Definitely the upper right corner. It's got a touch of the WW1 flair without carrying it to a comedic level. It respects the previous minis' design but still goes off in a more modern realistic direction.

The two on the far right are my faves.

Bottom two farthest to the right. Don't like the helmet spike.

Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

Why do I feel the need to dredge up the Ron Perlman/Thomas Jane Mutant Chronicles BluRay that I have on the shelf? Awful flick, but so cheesy it was fun.

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

Please understand, that we are doing it under Mutant Chronicles license so some revenue goes back to Paradox.... But we will give you as much as is financial possible!

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
So there is nothing to be worry about as we wont send to production anything that fans would hate!

Oh no, we'll be at this for forever!

This is totally worth an Exalt.

Honestly, those concepts looked great to me. They have an almost Gears of War vibe to them which just appeals.

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

Honestly, freebies in a Kickstarter are things that established companies do, knowing that their project can come in months late and over-budget without their survival being at risk. Kickstarters looking to actually raise funds for a project tend to be more conservative. This one has well-planned out reward tiers and good stretch goals that don't introduce too much un-planned scope creep. People need to remember that a lot of the big kickstarters lately have been backed by some well-established companies that treated them more as marketing and per-orders than as a fund-raising project.

If my funding helps knock a few bucks off MSRP and gets us plastic, then I will be happy with what was accomplished without feeling like they owe me 200 minis (not that My painting queue even wants that many right now).

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

Thanks for letting the fan base have a voice!

 Consul Scipio wrote:
Tell me the following dorky pose is optional? Please?

That one is a Blood Bowl/DreadBall player...

Prodos wrote:

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

Good to get the full quote in there, and best of luck to the project, but whoooo baby, £250 is one big pledge to jump in at!

I was looking at the single (or maybe double) starter sets!

 judgedoug wrote:

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Oh no doubt. At least there are space zombies in this one.

Good point. Chris should be happy, at least!


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 judgedoug wrote:

Not to pick on you specifically, but mainly to everyone who's like "I HATE THIS IT'S A KICKSTARTER WAAHHH", they've gone out of their way to appease the anti-Ks crowd and to point out that you don't need to participate in the KS, and can still just buy whatever you want when the release date hits:

"We understand some people are not keen on the concept of ‘Kickstarter’ and as such wanted to explain a couple of things.
1. We intend for all products we have developed so far for the first 3 factions to be available in June 2013. The Kickstarter project (its success or failure) will not affect these plans.
2. We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.
If you do not wish to support a Kickstarter project, but still want a Warzone Resurrection force (or two), you will be able to pre-order them from our website (warzonegame.com), after the Kickstarter, to receive in June. Or you can order them for near-immediate delivery after the release date from the same site. "

Well to be fair, they gave us 2 weeks of teasing and it really did look like there might have been product in stores very soon ready to go. To go from that to "HAI GAIZ! BACK MY KICKSTARTER!" was a bit disappointing. Having said that - I'll repeat myself. My main issue with this particular KS is the fact that it's not actually worth backing over waiting for retail if you live outside of the UK...

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Bubbalicious wrote:
i think it would have looked better if the "fins" on the upper part of the shoulder were pointing up instead of out to the sides where it makes no sense to have them.

I actually made them a bit to short. Right now they do not cover the neck area completely from the side in resting position and only do it properly when in firing position. If they were to point up they'd a) provide no cover to the neck area from the side when the arm is raised, b) limit the movement of the arm to about 90 degrees up.

Didnt think of that, but.
A) Arms should not be raised when in combat, arms are low against the body when shooting
B) It depends on how large the fins are, or they could point a little more upwards? (dont have a clear immage of how that would have looked) since the way they are now, you are not supposed to rais your arm.
And they remind me a little bit of TAU shoulders right now.

Love the new heads, the two to the right (on the upper and lower row) are my favorites. They give them more flavor and expose the nice helmet more than the others giving them the right feel in my opinion.

pancakeonions wrote:

Prodos wrote:

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

Good to get the full quote in there, and best of luck to the project, but whoooo baby, £250 is one big pledge to jump in at!

I was looking at the single (or maybe double) starter sets!

Feels so weird seeing myself referred to, by name, in a quote. (Prodos was responding to my question in the above item).

And yeah... it is a big pledge, but I really, really want to be a steward of this game in my local gaming community. That requires owning a lot, and varied, items for demos, etc...

and some wallpapers :

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Dear oh dear,
Why do people keep screaming for 'freebies' and 'value' right at the start of a KS
Yes projects like Bones and Sedition Wars (& other CMON projects) had great value at the END, but this was slowly built up via many, many stretch goals
give this a chance to fund, then set some stretch targets before you ask for 'better than retail'
If towards the end of the project they have overfunded massively and the value still isn't there thens the time to complain
and to those in the US wanting free international shipping.... welcome to the world of KS we in the rest of the world have to work with (and you won't even end up with the import taxes/VAT we in Europe have to pay when we back US projects)

Orlando. Are you serious?
Bones and Sedition Wars had good value (better than retail) right at the start. Like, Day 1. They may have both shot right through the roof as their campaigns progressed, but I was happy to pledge for both right at the start. A Kickstarter should be attractive to join right at the start, and if the stretch goals make it better, that's great. This Kickstarter is another of the "pre-order" style, so there's no reason that it couldn't be better than retail at the very least - especially given that we're buying from the manufacturers. I'm not sure why you think a Kickstarter - especially a pre-order-job like this one should offer worse value than retail, or why that should be acceptable, or how that would attract pledges...

I'm not asking for freebies, but I am asking for value that's better than waiting for 2 weeks after the KS ends and buying it from a shop... especially in light of the inherent risks of Kickstarter and a brand new startup company, as Warboss quite reasonably pointed out.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
The two on the far right are my faves.

I agree!

phil751 wrote:

Well it couldn't be that I have browsed dakka for years just never registered until today as had perhaps recently been following the GOA kickstarter and now mutant chronicles and maybe perhaps , having become a little tired of the naysaying of certain members of the community , not the entire community decided I'd register and add some of my own ' constructive criticism ' of the criticisers.

It's awesome to see that instead of bothering to join the Dakka community and have input anywhere else, as the vast majority of us do, you've only joined in order to bitch at people in a Kickstarter thread. Your actions are certainly adding to the positivity and usefulness of the Dakka community! If you're just lurking and not actually contributing yourself, how do you feel you have a right to come in and criticise Dakka? Why not go off to a peaches & cream forum instead? Instead of being so negative yourself, why don't you post in some threads and become an active member - and by doing so help to make the mood more of what you might consider positive, instead of merely being someone who has appeared suddenly whining and bitching from the shadows? You've clearly got a choice right there. I hope you're able to make the better one.


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praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

They do look good, but rather generic. They need a bit of armour - kneepads, helmets and such to tie them in with the WZ universe. Even as separate pieces so they can still be used as generic sci-fi zombies if that's their choice. Actually, separate bits would make them much more modular and therefore unique.

Bubbalicious wrote:
And they remind me a little bit of TAU shoulders right now.

That's because if you're going to have shoulder pads, the way Tau do it is the most sensible one, as they do not run the risk of projectiles and shrapnel ricocheting under the armour.

BTW, you should either post your version on WZ facebook or send it to Prodos guys here. They seem responsive to fanbase feedback.

As for the helmets, I was always a fan of the first edition Hussars. Guess they aren't as popular as the second edition Ducal Militia.

Also note that I've redesigned Bauhaus armor to be angled because I feel the rounded armour style should be reserved for Imperial. Their equipment always had a more organic look compared to other megacorps.

I like the angled (but not squared) shoulders on the Hussars. It does help give them a bit more visual identity compared to Imperial who tended to have more rounded armour. Being more angular just feels right for Bauhaus.

And for the record, I like the initial 1st Edition helmet as well. I'd love it if #4 (the Ducal Militia helmet) and the original were included (though the spikeless Ducal Militia helmet is a close third).

I'm also liking the kit concepts as well (that knife is sex-ay). I'm interested to see if you changed the Panzerknacker up a bit or kept it the same (the Equalizer is perfect, which I'm glad about, my MC characters always carried one), I'm not married to its design and it is always interesting to see things updated. Like the LMGs (can't remember the name of 'em Stone...something...hmm, the Wolf-headed dragoon Kapitan has one) quite a bit. Close to the originals but a bit sleeker (which I like for Bauhaus, as their equipment is supposed to be the best of the best, even compared to Cybertronic).

I do admit, I miss the gatling-gun style HMGs a bit though. But with every faction having one, things did start looking kind of samey. The only really memorable ones were the Charger (with as many barrels as a Liefield character has teeth!) and the Mishiman one (with its angled tri-barrel design). The Bauhaus HMG was fairly generic (as was the Capitol one for that matter). Giving Capitol and Bauhaus more unique looking heavy weapons would certainly be a good thing when doing a redesign with an eye toward tweeking and modernizing things.

I can't wait for the KS to hit $35k so we can start ogling 3D renders of them. They did such a great job of Brotherhood and Cybertronic (enough on the latter to get me to spring for double starters) that I am excited to see what happens to my baby. Also, I can't wait to see the Venusian Rangers/Marshals (if my avatar was any indication).

I have to admit, this KSer nonsense has taken the wind out of my WZ sails. I'll buy it when its on the shelf.

If there is one problem I think WZ always faced it is that the miniatures never lived up to the art. The art and concepts were great. The minis with (notable exceptions) were almost always a let down, with some being disasters. Either the proportions were off, the translation was bad, or the pose seamed unnatural.

The vulkan definatly needed a rework, those minis were awful, I'm just not sure if this is the right approach, but the fatter on is better. The Vulkan was not a suit like a terminator, it was a small walker, so no need to worry about it being to wide to fit the human arms into the robot arms, it didn't work that way.

Bauhaus strike skimmer.....horrible model, that should be easy to improve on.

I like the far right helmets the best for the head choice. I see that you chose more of the first ed Hussar look, I really prefer the 2nd ed Bauhaus stuff, the ducal militia were generic enough, the hussars especially the captain were nice as were the dragoons. Blitzers and Jaegers ......not so much, although I did like the double stacked mags on the Jaegers.

The 2nd ed Ducal militia shouderpads are very similar to what you have going on here, but please don't mess with the rest of them so much

But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Will they be some generic lord/heroes

I hate games who forces me to only take named character.

The 2 upper right helmet are the best ones, tough i'd make the spike a bit bigger

 Andrew1975 wrote:
But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Yeah, they are what I'm really excited to see. The old ones look like they used the head of Nagash to proportion their helmets. Good Venusian Rangers will be worth their weight in gold to me.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Yeah, they are what I'm really excited to see. The old ones look like they used the head of Nagash to proportion their helmets. Good Venusian Rangers will be worth their weight in gold to me.

Never would have guessed from your Avatar.

Just broke out my venus forces of war, they have a profile of almost all the Bauhaus helmets.....those images look so nice.

No, no, no. Totally different. My Avatar is a Venusian Marshal, that's like, completely different. :p

They have ponies.

*hides behind his PAULDRONS!*

 Ronin_eX wrote:
No, no, no. Totally different. My Avatar is a Venusian Marshal, that's like, completely different. :p

They have ponies.

*hides behind his PAULDRONS!*

Yeah, that's what I thought, but I couldn't remember if I was making that up or not. It's been so long. Which edition put out the Marshals because I didn't see it in Venus forces of war. Was that Ultimate Warzone where they actually came up for the rules for those?

He's just a ranger whooping it Gangnam sytle!

The model is 1st Edition (and horrid... so bad :( ). I think the rules are as well, but I'm at work and cannot check. But if they exist they will be in one of the expansion books (other than Dark Eden).

And just to add, I kind of hope the Venusian Rangers lose the capes and hoods from the minis and keep the look of the original art (and maybe get the option to take a deathlockdrum as well). That way cloaked marshals will look a bit more distinct (if/when they arrive).

Fur cloaks always looked weird on seasoned jungle-fighters.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
The model is 1st Edition (and horrid... so bad :( ). I think the rules are as well, but I'm at work and cannot check. But if they exist they will be in one of the expansion books (other than Dark Eden).

And just to add, I kind of hope the Venusian Rangers lose the capes and hoods from the minis and keep the look of the original art (and maybe get the option to take a deathlockdrum as well). That way cloaked marshals will look a bit more distinct (if/when they arrive).

Fur cloaks always looked weird on seasoned jungle-fighters.

Yeah, I know the mini is 1st ed, but I don't think the rules for the mini came out till much later. Its not as bad as the mounted hussar minis, now those were really bad.

I never understood why the rangers had leather boots with like elastic drawstrings, when everyone else gets nice metal ones.

They have been changing the weapons up so much, who knows if they will have the deathlock drum. Even the panzerknacker, if thats what is in the concept sketch looks very different. Not bad, just different. I really did like the old weapons designs better.

Leather? I thought they were wearing bread-bags on their feet!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Leather? I thought they were wearing bread-bags on their feet!

That was a very early Mutant Chronicles asthetic. They almost all had leather boots, I had forgotten about that until I looked at my old MC RPG.

Yeah, the boots never translated well to the minis. Always made it look like they had lost their shoes and were wearing bags on their feet.

But it was common on a lot of the early art. I hope they update it to armoured boots on the new stuff (or greaves with leather boots UNDER the armour, like the 2nd Edition Hussars).

Hi guys.
I think that that you should design banners of your kickstarter project. Many of us are registered on few different forums in our countries. I think that it would give you free advertisment. I think that everyone of us wants to have lots of players to play with. If i wasn't using many non polish websites i wouldn't know that Warzone is returning. Except one forum that concentrates old Warzone fans, Warzone Resurrection news disappeared just after they showed.

Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.

GBL wrote:
Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.

find someone who is wiling to pledge and share cost with.

Shipping cost is really high, maybe they can differentiate it between countries? 12 pound for shipping to Italy is really too much.... I'll back however, cause i like the game and the backgroud, but i fear it's not the most cost saving campaign in which i've taken part

I can't stop being amazed about how responsive Prodos is to our feedback. I mean it's great not only because our "desires" are fulfilled, but because it is also indicative of how serious the guys behind WZ take their effort.

To be honest, I think that this kind of conduct is rather unique in the business. Thank you guys!

I'd like to address three issues which concerns shoulder plates, modern & reasonable design and consistent line of thought. Now bear in mind, English isn't my native language so expressing my thoughts here is a bit difficult. And this is how I see things, I'm not saying this is the only way to view things!

First I'd just like to say I believe there have been three factions concerning the aesthetics to be used in this relaunch of warzone. There have been those who go "we need something completely new" and those who go "let's stick to the old art" (ie not the old miniature design) and a middle position of those who want things to at least remind us of the old stuff but that wouldn't mind seeing some updates. I place myself in the middle position (after initially being more to the conservative side of things) with the reservation that I believe some of the old art could be used basically as it is (Venusian Rangers, Blood Berets, Inquisitors) while some stuff probably have to be completely reinvented (Cybertronic Light Recon Vehicle, Capitol the Great Gray, some of those bdsm-looking DL stuff).

Many people have been asking for a new and more reasonable design apart from the "old, silly & dated" design, a design more in sync with the 21st century as in no more big shoulder plates etc. But what do people really mean by this, what's new with new design, it's not really obvious is it? "Isn't it?" someone might ask, well let me explain. When it comes to the new Bauhaus concepts people are discussing the best way to design armor to increase the likelihood of bullets and shrapnel to bounce of ricochet of leaving the wearer safe. Looking at what's out there I'm not sure this have been a great issue for to many game-designers though. Some people have ridiculed one of the two versions of the Chasseurs making jokes about their bullet proof wife-beaters (I feel you I never liked them either).

But now things gets interesting, it seems as if some people are really concerned about how purposeful an armor should look and asks for a new design for the same reason wile letting the new Chasseurs compleaterly pass under their radars whose design is based on the exact same ideas as the old ridiculed ones with bullet proof wifebeaters. How purposeful is it to walk in to the heat of battle without as much as even a wifebeater on to protecht their vital organs? Sure they got armor under their skin, but how much is that and where is it located, by the look of it it seems to be located under their muscles which at large seems unprotected. And I'd say you don't have to kill someone that can't use their arms because their muscles are torn off by bullets. What do they got to make bullets ricochet of them, do they flex their muscles? If flesh were such a great bullet-stopper why is it that some police-forces (like the Swedish) have stopped using FMJ-ammo and started using those bullets that gets fragmented when they enter the body (don't know their name)? And how new and fresh is the idea of half naked muscular men? They got as much in common with Conan than some cyborg from the future.

I'd say the new chasseur concept is just as dated as anything from the old range. Now don't get me wrong, they do look cool, they don't remind me much of anything from cybertronic though and the do not make any sense. As I've said before, why would the smallest mega corporation with the least manpower an probably most expensive soldiers not make use of proper armor? My point is, MC/WZ have never been about making sense and still Isn't, the rule of cool still applies and hiding behind arguments about sensible design is a bit silly since the design still clearly isn't. Which brings us to the next issue, sure no one have to love the old design but please be consistent in your arguments and think of what you say. If you like the new design that is all fine but don't discredit someone as being backwards for loving the old stuff especially since this "new" design might not be as "forward" as it might seem. Sure about design, there is a point of making things look somewhat reasonable but when people are getting in to arguments about "have you ever worn a plated armor" I'd say we are missing the point. MC/WZ to me is all about a cool take on a, now days, quite common theme regarding the world, history an fluff in general as well as cool if at times somewhat odd design (which do need some updates to a varying degree).

So about my last issue, shoulder plates. I really do like the new sleek Bauhaus design and the alternative helmets were great to see (apart from the one they are currently wearing the far right one is the best one imo) it would be interesting to see them with shoulder-plates with a more old school vibe to it! Just to make a comparison if nothing else! Because, as much as I like the new Bauhaus shoulder plates, I'd hated if the same thing would have happened to the brotherhood or if this is going to happen with Imperial and the others but especially Imperial so I can really understand if some people are a bit upset.

So, that's my take on the current state of things so to speak, if you disagree of believe if got things wrong, please do discuss it with me. And above all I love Prodos for reviving WarZone and bringing the MC universe back to our lives THANK YOU FOR THAT, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

Damn, now I have to pledge for Dark Legion, These Legionaries are just too good!
And they can even serve on double duty as generic SF Zs!!!


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Prodos wrote:

AAN we will have a forum on our website very soon: warzonegame.com
Until then we are using Facebook for this, and as I've said previously, we will continue posting on the interested forums everything posted on FB, unless some one else gets there first (which they often do )

Also I'm not sure we can or should link to the other forums for various different reasons!

Thanks for the good News!
...and I am not proposing to link from here, but maybe from the KS itself, or?



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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

1st and second row right corner, booth have a suitable WWI/ II ish feel and are Close enough to the original designs!


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Damn again, now they have me, just pledged at "The Razide" Level...

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

By far the best "zombie" models yet, and they look like multi-part plastics to boot? This project now has my attention.

An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

While I like the idea of re-vamping WZ this isn't looking as hot as I hoped.
Naysayer I know....

So positive input.
Give Bauhaus thigh armor please.
Take a look at the concepts for metal gear rising before going any further with cybertronic. The Ork style custom mekboy fas'runnin legs just ruin a cool idea. You took the head from basic trooper from rising... go a little further n make a killer model and model line if the whole thing looked metal gear.

DL is cool zombies n demons w guns kinda hard to mess that up.

And someone looks like a cross between the religious faction from warmachine and cylons from battlestar.

5deadly wrote:While I like the idea of re-vamping WZ this isn't looking as hot as I hoped.
Naysayer I know....

So positive input.
Give Bauhaus thigh armor please.
Take a look at the concepts for metal gear rising before going any further with cybertronic. The Ork style custom mekboy fas'runnin legs just ruin a cool idea. You took the head from basic trooper from rising... go a little further n make a killer model and model line if the whole thing looked metal gear.

DL is cool zombies n demons w guns kinda hard to mess that up.

And someone looks like a cross between the religious faction from warmachine and cylons from battlestar.

You do know that Target Games Brotherhood design predates PPs Menoth design? But I kind of agree about the Cybertronic dudes...

praetor24 wrote:An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

Looks awesome! Even though I'm a brotherhood player I've never been a fan of Dominic until now!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I'm interested to see if you changed the Panzerknacker up a bit or kept it the same (the Equalizer is perfect, which I'm glad about, my MC characters always carried one), I'm not married to its design and it is always interesting to see things updated. Like the LMGs (can't remember the name of 'em Stone...something...hmm, the Wolf-headed dragoon Kapitan has one) quite a bit. Close to the originals but a bit sleeker (which I like for Bauhaus, as their equipment is supposed to be the best of the best, even compared to Cybertronic).\

I did redesign the Panzerknacker slightly, there are two versions that should have come with the Hussar concept, but for some reason I put them on the Ranger concept. Then again, when the KS hits 35k you'll see them as renders one way or the other.

@His Masters Voice - How much of the Bauhaus range have you been redesigning?

What you saw plus Rangers and another troop type that's not revealed yet.

praetor24 wrote:
An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

Spoiler:

Nice, but maybe something about the shoes should be modified. It looks like he's wearing "Crocs"!

New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,






and banner for supporters

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,






and banner for supporters

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Guys you are realy proffesionals. I must admit that at the beggining i was full of doubts, but now i know that the Warzone brand is in right hands. Thanks for a banner, now I'm going to spread Warzone propaganda.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
What you saw plus Rangers and another troop type that's not revealed yet.

OK, It will be interesting to see the rest when we reach 35k! Is there any version with a more traditional shoulder plate, it would be nice to compare it with the atm official version. But even though I like my MC-characters to have somewhat big shoulder-plates I kind of like the idea with a unit that brakes the rule so to speak.


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I really like the new Cybertronic hero concept! That one really got som nice CT-vibes!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

The 2 on the far right. They should definately come with a Pickelhaube spike though, if people don't like it it is trivially easy to remove but a lot harder to add.

GBL wrote:
Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.

Actually it might well cost that much (remember this is resin and while lighter than metal it's not weightless), and they have to allow for stretch goal weight increases, labour costs and packing material

airmail prices from roayl mail

800g = £12.10
700g = £10.80
600g = £9.54

so not cheap but not insanely overpriced

I like this new concept of the cybertronic hero.

Would it be possible to have the render of each starter set mini uncolored and in bigger size ?

thanks

BTW love these undead legionnaire. Just hope that they have somme accessories to spice them up a bit

Revamped concept for Vulkan. These guys at Prodos seem to know their job well and they definitely have both their ears open to community's feedback.


Enjoy!

Well, two boxes and a couple of books, to be fair. I really must be inured to shipping costs, 12GBP didn't seem that bad to me. I've paid much more for much smaller orders. *shrug*

A big problem with a lot of Kickstarters is low-balled shipping costs eating in to the funds. So I'd prefer if we pay a bit extra for shipping to ensure that they actually get the money they need to, you know, fund the project properly.

¡Vulkan much better!

Everassur great Redesign

That Vulkan sketch looks stunning. I think that's confirmed my choice of Bauhaus as one of the starter boxes.

Love the Everassur redesign.

I was even a fan of the first Vulkan concept... but that one is amazing. I'll take 20!

The Everasseur isn't too shabby either.

Vulkan redesign is good, but hopefully theyr will be a more glamourous head alson included.

I actually kind of preferred the slimmer Vulkan myself. Oh well, the new one is cool too. Will it have any kind of cover for the operator's head as an option?

Also, I've been meaning to direct a few questions to Prodos.
1)Will all Starter boxes receive troop expansions as they're unlocked, or will they be optional add-ons?
2)What sort of content will be in the limited edition rulebook that won't be in the rules included with the starter?
3)Is the limited edition rulebook hard cover or soft?

I'm trying to decide if I want to get the Necromutant or Kickstarter level.

Great redesigns of the Vulkan and Everassur! I really like the new redesigns, and hope they make it into the starter boxes.

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Is now working:


"


PM me for code as I don't know how to post it

Everassur looks definitely better, especially upper torso is in tune with classic Cybertronic style, although the arms may be a little too thick on the torso-arm joints, he will have trouble aiming that gun; feet also seem to be kind of disproportionately small, but that just may be the angle of render. Either way, a definite improvement over the original concept, as is the new Vulkan

 Barzam wrote:
I actually kind of preferred the slimmer Vulkan myself. Oh well, the new one is cool too. Will it have any kind of cover for the operator's head as an option?

Also, I've been meaning to direct a few questions to Prodos.
1)Will all Starter boxes receive troop expansions as they're unlocked, or will they be optional add-ons?
2)What sort of content will be in the limited edition rulebook that won't be in the rules included with the starter?
3)Is the limited edition rulebook hard cover or soft?

I'm trying to decide if I want to get the Necromutant or Kickstarter level.

Hi there, thanks for support answers :

1) Yes, and we are looking at this one ... can't say much but you wont be disappointed
2) Signatures + possibly unseen Paul Bonner Mutant Chronicles Arts!
3) Hard Cover (approx 70k -80K words!) that is approx 300 to 350 pages...

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Is now working:


"


PM me for code as I don't know how to post it

Thanks. Now it works perfectly fine!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
I actually kind of preferred the slimmer Vulkan myself. Oh well, the new one is cool too. Will it have any kind of cover for the operator's head as an option?

Also, I've been meaning to direct a few questions to Prodos.
1)Will all Starter boxes receive troop expansions as they're unlocked, or will they be optional add-ons?
2)What sort of content will be in the limited edition rulebook that won't be in the rules included with the starter?
3)Is the limited edition rulebook hard cover or soft?

I'm trying to decide if I want to get the Necromutant or Kickstarter level.

Hi there, thanks for support answers :

1) Yes, and we are looking at this one ... can't say much but you wont be disappointed
2) Signatures + possibly unseen Paul Bonner Mutant Chronicles Arts!
3) Hard Cover (approx 70k -80K words!) that is approx 300 to 350 pages...

Wow, that was a fast response. Thanks. I suppose I'll be keeping my Necromutant level then.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Is now working:


"


PM me for code as I don't know how to post it

Grabbed it by taking the code from your quote. I will wear this proudly, sir.

Edit - And to add, I'm glad you are keeping the other Everasseur around. I was always a fan of the more industrial-looking Cybertronic stuff from the MC RPG. Though the new one looks fantastic as well. I want both!

Warzone/Prodos,
I'd recommend posting on TheMiniaturesPage - there's several active threads there and a lot of those people don't visit Dakka and other forums.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=294789
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=296132

Man, the Vulkan is now off the chain. Bending the legs makes it much more dynamic, and the arms now look remote controlled rather than "insert your arms in here and wave around awkwardly".

Lurv it, I'm going in.

The new vulkan is simply awesome, liked the other one as well but this is brutal!

I'm really interested in those zombie figures.

Any way of picking up a few sets off the books?

I have a kidney or two in trade.


Very good looking work, and continuous feedback in the campaign is beyond excellent. Be successful, so I can start pimping up this game, as well.

I've got a few of the older guys in the house somewheres, By and By- Will these guys fit in with them?

Am I looking at changing the old "Slottabase" 25MM disk base to the 30MM base to compile them together?

Man, the new Everassur is great, but the Vulcan is simply amazing. Suddenly my "Cartel" pledge isn't looking high enough, as i'm definitely going to need to add more Vulcans already.

It feels really good to support a game/company this dynamically responsive to its fans. If this marks the tone of our working relationship, even beyond the Kickstarter, then Mutant Chronicles: Warzone is in very good hands.

I do like the look of the new vulcan suit concept. I clicked on the kickstarter page and it doesn't seem like any of this stuff is making it there. There are zero updates on it.

 warboss wrote:
I do like the look of the new vulcan suit concept. I clicked on the kickstarter page and it doesn't seem like any of this stuff is making it there. There are zero updates on it.

We are waiting for Paradox approval, but should not be a problem with this.

Now get rid of the x-legged Bauhaus soldier sketch

New Vulcan is simply stunning! Soldiers are just concept, minis will be more MEN i think Armor concept is great. Keep it on.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Now get rid of the x-legged Bauhaus soldier sketch

If you mean the soldier standing upright with his knees locked then I think you need to spend more time looking at humans and less time looking at models.
If you don't mean that concept then, wut?

And that's £25k pledged already very impressive.

The Vulkan redesign is ridiculously better than the first one, which I can see being tweaked to be a heavy weapons guy.

I think the Bahaus troopers are very close to being good. Looking forward to seeing the renders worked on.

I'd rather see Imperial or Capitol troops though. Psuedo German Near Future Soldier Ville, is pretty heavily populated at this point.

Yes it is, but what if it was because of the void left by Warzone?

I don't think it is, but maybe...

New vulkan is very cool looking!