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pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

Please understand, that we are doing it under Mutant Chronicles license so some revenue goes back to Paradox.... But we will give you as much as is financial possible!

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
So there is nothing to be worry about as we wont send to production anything that fans would hate!

Oh no, we'll be at this for forever!

This is totally worth an Exalt.

Honestly, those concepts looked great to me. They have an almost Gears of War vibe to them which just appeals.

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

Honestly, freebies in a Kickstarter are things that established companies do, knowing that their project can come in months late and over-budget without their survival being at risk. Kickstarters looking to actually raise funds for a project tend to be more conservative. This one has well-planned out reward tiers and good stretch goals that don't introduce too much un-planned scope creep. People need to remember that a lot of the big kickstarters lately have been backed by some well-established companies that treated them more as marketing and per-orders than as a fund-raising project.

If my funding helps knock a few bucks off MSRP and gets us plastic, then I will be happy with what was accomplished without feeling like they owe me 200 minis (not that My painting queue even wants that many right now).

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

Thanks for letting the fan base have a voice!

 Consul Scipio wrote:
Tell me the following dorky pose is optional? Please?

That one is a Blood Bowl/DreadBall player...

Prodos wrote:

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

Good to get the full quote in there, and best of luck to the project, but whoooo baby, £250 is one big pledge to jump in at!

I was looking at the single (or maybe double) starter sets!

 judgedoug wrote:

phil751 wrote:
Usual waves of negativity from the very vocal minority of the dakka community i see . GOA pulled so i guess this is the new target. Just waiting for valera to join in with his normal cynicism guess hes still laughing about the demise of the GOA kickstarter. I swear if a company came up with awesome ruleset stunning models made in metal/plastic/resin (of course whichever material would be wrong ) and were giving it away gratis there would still be a bunch of people here ready to kick it in the teeth
seriously is this section of the community actually into wargames at all.

Oh no doubt. At least there are space zombies in this one.

Good point. Chris should be happy, at least!


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 judgedoug wrote:

Not to pick on you specifically, but mainly to everyone who's like "I HATE THIS IT'S A KICKSTARTER WAAHHH", they've gone out of their way to appease the anti-Ks crowd and to point out that you don't need to participate in the KS, and can still just buy whatever you want when the release date hits:

"We understand some people are not keen on the concept of ‘Kickstarter’ and as such wanted to explain a couple of things.
1. We intend for all products we have developed so far for the first 3 factions to be available in June 2013. The Kickstarter project (its success or failure) will not affect these plans.
2. We have a stretched goal for ‘Kickstarter’ which will allow us to manufacture the ‘starter boxes’ in plastic. If we do not meet this the starter will be made (like the rest of the initial releases) in high grade resin.
If you do not wish to support a Kickstarter project, but still want a Warzone Resurrection force (or two), you will be able to pre-order them from our website (warzonegame.com), after the Kickstarter, to receive in June. Or you can order them for near-immediate delivery after the release date from the same site. "

Well to be fair, they gave us 2 weeks of teasing and it really did look like there might have been product in stores very soon ready to go. To go from that to "HAI GAIZ! BACK MY KICKSTARTER!" was a bit disappointing. Having said that - I'll repeat myself. My main issue with this particular KS is the fact that it's not actually worth backing over waiting for retail if you live outside of the UK...

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Bubbalicious wrote:
i think it would have looked better if the "fins" on the upper part of the shoulder were pointing up instead of out to the sides where it makes no sense to have them.

I actually made them a bit to short. Right now they do not cover the neck area completely from the side in resting position and only do it properly when in firing position. If they were to point up they'd a) provide no cover to the neck area from the side when the arm is raised, b) limit the movement of the arm to about 90 degrees up.

Didnt think of that, but.
A) Arms should not be raised when in combat, arms are low against the body when shooting
B) It depends on how large the fins are, or they could point a little more upwards? (dont have a clear immage of how that would have looked) since the way they are now, you are not supposed to rais your arm.
And they remind me a little bit of TAU shoulders right now.

Love the new heads, the two to the right (on the upper and lower row) are my favorites. They give them more flavor and expose the nice helmet more than the others giving them the right feel in my opinion.

pancakeonions wrote:

Prodos wrote:

pancakeonions wrote:
Pretty cool to see this project up and going. I have the original boxed set, but never played it! Didn't it have a sort of leveling up or character progression? Was that part of the table top game at all? (I'm a big fan of Necromunda, and wonder if this might have some "character development" elements similar to that)

Very cool to see this evolve, but not super keen on the selection of KS as a pre-order method. The "lures" of value and freebies* don't appear to make this a project I'll jump in on, as picking it up later will be a much better bargain with very little wait time, apparently.

* from today's comments by Prodos Games Ltd on the KS page: "...have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some)..." Reckon I'm a bit spoiled by some of the absolutely great deals I feel I've gotten off KS in the past year.

And heres what I actually wrote: 'Mark, you've got 59 days and obviously it will be clearer, but have to say there won't be tons and tones of freebie ( there will be some) the 249 pledge already has £50 ish worth of saving!'

So in other words, if you choose to pledge at £250 you will be saving £50 on RRP AND as Kickstarter progresses (over the next 59 days) there will be some extra extras and freebies (other than those listed in the streched goals).

Good to get the full quote in there, and best of luck to the project, but whoooo baby, £250 is one big pledge to jump in at!

I was looking at the single (or maybe double) starter sets!

Feels so weird seeing myself referred to, by name, in a quote. (Prodos was responding to my question in the above item).

And yeah... it is a big pledge, but I really, really want to be a steward of this game in my local gaming community. That requires owning a lot, and varied, items for demos, etc...

and some wallpapers :

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Dear oh dear,
Why do people keep screaming for 'freebies' and 'value' right at the start of a KS
Yes projects like Bones and Sedition Wars (& other CMON projects) had great value at the END, but this was slowly built up via many, many stretch goals
give this a chance to fund, then set some stretch targets before you ask for 'better than retail'
If towards the end of the project they have overfunded massively and the value still isn't there thens the time to complain
and to those in the US wanting free international shipping.... welcome to the world of KS we in the rest of the world have to work with (and you won't even end up with the import taxes/VAT we in Europe have to pay when we back US projects)

Orlando. Are you serious?
Bones and Sedition Wars had good value (better than retail) right at the start. Like, Day 1. They may have both shot right through the roof as their campaigns progressed, but I was happy to pledge for both right at the start. A Kickstarter should be attractive to join right at the start, and if the stretch goals make it better, that's great. This Kickstarter is another of the "pre-order" style, so there's no reason that it couldn't be better than retail at the very least - especially given that we're buying from the manufacturers. I'm not sure why you think a Kickstarter - especially a pre-order-job like this one should offer worse value than retail, or why that should be acceptable, or how that would attract pledges...

I'm not asking for freebies, but I am asking for value that's better than waiting for 2 weeks after the KS ends and buying it from a shop... especially in light of the inherent risks of Kickstarter and a brand new startup company, as Warboss quite reasonably pointed out.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
The two on the far right are my faves.

I agree!

phil751 wrote:

Well it couldn't be that I have browsed dakka for years just never registered until today as had perhaps recently been following the GOA kickstarter and now mutant chronicles and maybe perhaps , having become a little tired of the naysaying of certain members of the community , not the entire community decided I'd register and add some of my own ' constructive criticism ' of the criticisers.

It's awesome to see that instead of bothering to join the Dakka community and have input anywhere else, as the vast majority of us do, you've only joined in order to bitch at people in a Kickstarter thread. Your actions are certainly adding to the positivity and usefulness of the Dakka community! If you're just lurking and not actually contributing yourself, how do you feel you have a right to come in and criticise Dakka? Why not go off to a peaches & cream forum instead? Instead of being so negative yourself, why don't you post in some threads and become an active member - and by doing so help to make the mood more of what you might consider positive, instead of merely being someone who has appeared suddenly whining and bitching from the shadows? You've clearly got a choice right there. I hope you're able to make the better one.


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praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

They do look good, but rather generic. They need a bit of armour - kneepads, helmets and such to tie them in with the WZ universe. Even as separate pieces so they can still be used as generic sci-fi zombies if that's their choice. Actually, separate bits would make them much more modular and therefore unique.

Bubbalicious wrote:
And they remind me a little bit of TAU shoulders right now.

That's because if you're going to have shoulder pads, the way Tau do it is the most sensible one, as they do not run the risk of projectiles and shrapnel ricocheting under the armour.

BTW, you should either post your version on WZ facebook or send it to Prodos guys here. They seem responsive to fanbase feedback.

As for the helmets, I was always a fan of the first edition Hussars. Guess they aren't as popular as the second edition Ducal Militia.

Also note that I've redesigned Bauhaus armor to be angled because I feel the rounded armour style should be reserved for Imperial. Their equipment always had a more organic look compared to other megacorps.

I like the angled (but not squared) shoulders on the Hussars. It does help give them a bit more visual identity compared to Imperial who tended to have more rounded armour. Being more angular just feels right for Bauhaus.

And for the record, I like the initial 1st Edition helmet as well. I'd love it if #4 (the Ducal Militia helmet) and the original were included (though the spikeless Ducal Militia helmet is a close third).

I'm also liking the kit concepts as well (that knife is sex-ay). I'm interested to see if you changed the Panzerknacker up a bit or kept it the same (the Equalizer is perfect, which I'm glad about, my MC characters always carried one), I'm not married to its design and it is always interesting to see things updated. Like the LMGs (can't remember the name of 'em Stone...something...hmm, the Wolf-headed dragoon Kapitan has one) quite a bit. Close to the originals but a bit sleeker (which I like for Bauhaus, as their equipment is supposed to be the best of the best, even compared to Cybertronic).

I do admit, I miss the gatling-gun style HMGs a bit though. But with every faction having one, things did start looking kind of samey. The only really memorable ones were the Charger (with as many barrels as a Liefield character has teeth!) and the Mishiman one (with its angled tri-barrel design). The Bauhaus HMG was fairly generic (as was the Capitol one for that matter). Giving Capitol and Bauhaus more unique looking heavy weapons would certainly be a good thing when doing a redesign with an eye toward tweeking and modernizing things.

I can't wait for the KS to hit $35k so we can start ogling 3D renders of them. They did such a great job of Brotherhood and Cybertronic (enough on the latter to get me to spring for double starters) that I am excited to see what happens to my baby. Also, I can't wait to see the Venusian Rangers/Marshals (if my avatar was any indication).

I have to admit, this KSer nonsense has taken the wind out of my WZ sails. I'll buy it when its on the shelf.

If there is one problem I think WZ always faced it is that the miniatures never lived up to the art. The art and concepts were great. The minis with (notable exceptions) were almost always a let down, with some being disasters. Either the proportions were off, the translation was bad, or the pose seamed unnatural.

The vulkan definatly needed a rework, those minis were awful, I'm just not sure if this is the right approach, but the fatter on is better. The Vulkan was not a suit like a terminator, it was a small walker, so no need to worry about it being to wide to fit the human arms into the robot arms, it didn't work that way.

Bauhaus strike skimmer.....horrible model, that should be easy to improve on.

I like the far right helmets the best for the head choice. I see that you chose more of the first ed Hussar look, I really prefer the 2nd ed Bauhaus stuff, the ducal militia were generic enough, the hussars especially the captain were nice as were the dragoons. Blitzers and Jaegers ......not so much, although I did like the double stacked mags on the Jaegers.

The 2nd ed Ducal militia shouderpads are very similar to what you have going on here, but please don't mess with the rest of them so much

But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Will they be some generic lord/heroes

I hate games who forces me to only take named character.

The 2 upper right helmet are the best ones, tough i'd make the spike a bit bigger

 Andrew1975 wrote:
But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Yeah, they are what I'm really excited to see. The old ones look like they used the head of Nagash to proportion their helmets. Good Venusian Rangers will be worth their weight in gold to me.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
But I think the true measure of Bauhaus will be the Rangers. Please if you can give me a good ranger like the iconic picture (just ditch the leather boots and gloves, maybe cut down the grieves a little, and no cape. Switch the skull mask to a helmet and don't make the teeth goofy buck teeth.) I'll be happy.

Yeah, they are what I'm really excited to see. The old ones look like they used the head of Nagash to proportion their helmets. Good Venusian Rangers will be worth their weight in gold to me.

Never would have guessed from your Avatar.

Just broke out my venus forces of war, they have a profile of almost all the Bauhaus helmets.....those images look so nice.

No, no, no. Totally different. My Avatar is a Venusian Marshal, that's like, completely different. :p

They have ponies.

*hides behind his PAULDRONS!*

 Ronin_eX wrote:
No, no, no. Totally different. My Avatar is a Venusian Marshal, that's like, completely different. :p

They have ponies.

*hides behind his PAULDRONS!*

Yeah, that's what I thought, but I couldn't remember if I was making that up or not. It's been so long. Which edition put out the Marshals because I didn't see it in Venus forces of war. Was that Ultimate Warzone where they actually came up for the rules for those?

He's just a ranger whooping it Gangnam sytle!

The model is 1st Edition (and horrid... so bad :( ). I think the rules are as well, but I'm at work and cannot check. But if they exist they will be in one of the expansion books (other than Dark Eden).

And just to add, I kind of hope the Venusian Rangers lose the capes and hoods from the minis and keep the look of the original art (and maybe get the option to take a deathlockdrum as well). That way cloaked marshals will look a bit more distinct (if/when they arrive).

Fur cloaks always looked weird on seasoned jungle-fighters.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
The model is 1st Edition (and horrid... so bad :( ). I think the rules are as well, but I'm at work and cannot check. But if they exist they will be in one of the expansion books (other than Dark Eden).

And just to add, I kind of hope the Venusian Rangers lose the capes and hoods from the minis and keep the look of the original art (and maybe get the option to take a deathlockdrum as well). That way cloaked marshals will look a bit more distinct (if/when they arrive).

Fur cloaks always looked weird on seasoned jungle-fighters.

Yeah, I know the mini is 1st ed, but I don't think the rules for the mini came out till much later. Its not as bad as the mounted hussar minis, now those were really bad.

I never understood why the rangers had leather boots with like elastic drawstrings, when everyone else gets nice metal ones.

They have been changing the weapons up so much, who knows if they will have the deathlock drum. Even the panzerknacker, if thats what is in the concept sketch looks very different. Not bad, just different. I really did like the old weapons designs better.

Leather? I thought they were wearing bread-bags on their feet!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Leather? I thought they were wearing bread-bags on their feet!

That was a very early Mutant Chronicles asthetic. They almost all had leather boots, I had forgotten about that until I looked at my old MC RPG.

Yeah, the boots never translated well to the minis. Always made it look like they had lost their shoes and were wearing bags on their feet.

But it was common on a lot of the early art. I hope they update it to armoured boots on the new stuff (or greaves with leather boots UNDER the armour, like the 2nd Edition Hussars).

Hi guys.
I think that that you should design banners of your kickstarter project. Many of us are registered on few different forums in our countries. I think that it would give you free advertisment. I think that everyone of us wants to have lots of players to play with. If i wasn't using many non polish websites i wouldn't know that Warzone is returning. Except one forum that concentrates old Warzone fans, Warzone Resurrection news disappeared just after they showed.

Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.