timetowaste85 wrote: Is warpath basically the same except multi basing? Cuz I'd be into that too with the movement trays they offer.
Slightly different values. For example each trooper has at least 1 hp in firefight but in warpath, a group of 5 troopers can have 3 hp only. Same with attack dice. But other than that, the traits seem to be the same
Haven't seen current ones, no, and google isn't throwing anything up at me. Might be too soon, not yet at retail and still not finished with backer fulfillment
New update on the Kickstarter "clearing up" the gcps heavy weapons issue. I'm not a fan due to having to buy an extra set to identically equip both teams of a two teamunit
This is a message from your friendly dispatch team to confirm that your order ***-**** has been shipped and (in most cases) should have arrived.
Now we have had a chance to recover from the insanity of November and December we have had a chance to catch up with the paperwork, finish off the mince pies (very important) and are getting everything back to its normal setting of just mildly crazy.
As you no doubt heard we have completed shipping on Warpath Wave 1. However, we are aware, that you have not been given a whole lot of information regarding what that actually means. So we are here to fix that for you.
The way shipping works is that the orders are divided up into batches to try and make picking and shipping as accurate/easy/quick as possible. This does mean that not all orders to the same area ship at the same time. So don't worry if you have not received your order yet but others in your country/area have.
Depending on which country you are in will determine the method of shipping. Most people will receive the entire order in one box. However if your order weighs in between 1.8 and 3.5kg (this is roughly equivalent to an advanced warfare pledge level with few or no extras) AND you live in one of the countries listed below then it is most likely that you will have your order delivered in 2 boxes:
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Now, we do still have around 10 orders still here where we have emailed them regarding an address issue and a further 30 or so orders still on query in the pledge manager. We will be chasing those up where we haven't had a response and dispatching them as soon as we can.
We are also getting the odd parcel returned to us now with address/delivery issues. We are contacting you as soon as they arrive with us so we can get them out to you as soon as possible.
What this all basically means is: Don't worry if you do not have your delivery yet, it can take some time to reach you. If you still have not had your order, or any emails for additional information regarding your order, by the end of January then that is the time to email in to let us know that it is still not with you and we will get it resolved for you.
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lord marcus wrote: New update on the Kickstarter "clearing up" the gcps heavy weapons issue. I'm not a fan due to having to buy an extra set to identically equip both teams of a two teamunit
Mantic has made a clear and obvious mistake, but instead of fixing it they're doubling down on it. Not great.
Exactly. Its Mantic doing something GW does too (in the instance of things like Devastators). People expected something different, get upset when they didn't get what they had assumed, and Mantic clarified. The good news is that it sounds like squads with different weapon load outs can split fire! So you still get your cake and you can eat it.
lord marcus wrote: New update on the Kickstarter "clearing up" the gcps heavy weapons issue. I'm not a fan due to having to buy an extra set to identically equip both teams of a two teamunit
Mantic has made a clear and obvious mistake, but instead of fixing it they're doubling down on it. Not great.
To be fair, can you imagine the unplanned shipping costs fixing this would incur?
You do realise that the asterian drones are the same and always have been. You get two drones and one of each weapon option. Seems a pretty normal way to do things.
Yeah, to be fair I was expecting to only be able to build one of each weapon type, I'm more iffed about my mortar tripod being broken/confusing as hell to put together.
timetowaste85 wrote: Mortar doesn't use the full tripod. It uses the two legs together and the mortar makes the third leg. Don't use all 3 leg pieces plus mortar.
Figured that with the third leg, but it does leave an odd gap just below the legs.
Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.
Is the GCPS kit the first plastic kit to contain left-handed troopers shooting their guns? Between that, the jet packs, and the ambiguously female head, I'm really impressed with Mantic's forward-thinking approach. Sadly, they are also forward thinking in that they only give you the bear minimum of appropriate left arms to equip one special weapon per sprue.
ray648 wrote: You do realise that the asterian drones are the same and always have been. You get two drones and one of each weapon option. Seems a pretty normal way to do things.
No, because every Asterian Drone I received in DZ1, and the extra one I got in DZ2 just for kicks in one of the packs, came with each weapon option - excepting the plasma bombard they made out of metal on a whim later, and then by DZ2 era apparently forgot they made, because I've never seen it on sale again. Same goes for the Goblin guntrack, and the Veermyn chemical pushwagon.
The FF gun platform is different, as the Surtr and Jotunn come in a different boxes, but that has always been explicitly stated. The Urban Demolisher is another metal upgrade from DZ1 they nearly forgot, and I had to remind them it actually existed and people had paid money for it in the alpha stage of Warpath, as it was missing.
A quick question of those who have the book - is there any form of army structure? I read the beta rules for firefight that was on their kickstarter, and I didn't see any sort of structure. It was really just "take whatever you want, but if you take too many of a certain unit in a certain points level your opponent gets bonuses."
For full Warpath a unit has limits on the teams it is made up of.
I don't have my book but for example a unit can start with a requirement of 2-4 squads of basic infantry.
They the can have the option of taking 0-2 Heavy weapon teams
0-1 specialists. Such as snipers or race specific stuff.
The individual units also in some cases have up grades that can be bought.
Different races have different setups GCPS have a very open structure with a lot of options resulting in very flexible units that can be all rounders.
The enforcers however have a more rigid structure witth an emphasis on small units that are very good at one thing.
I really like it I have had a.lot of fun list building making up set.units that I feel will be usefull and keeping a record.of.them to make myself a.plug and play feeling way of.making a army fast.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: A quick question of those who have the book - is there any form of army structure? I read the beta rules for firefight that was on their kickstarter, and I didn't see any sort of structure. It was really just "take whatever you want, but if you take too many of a certain unit in a certain points level your opponent gets bonuses."
Selecting Units
Each force will be made up of a number of
units, each with its own entry in the force list.
There are no specific units that you must or
must not take – it’s up to you to decide which
units will work best for you in the game, or
simply which units you like the look of!
Page 76 in Firefight, and basically the same speech page 75 of Warpath ie no force org, just a points limit; I imagine there will eventually be a tournament pack that adds optional restrictions, but it's free choice out of the box.
e: Warpath of course has restrictions within each unit, ie 1-4 teams, or 2-6 teams, but that's all, there's nothing like the 40k force org chart, or even the KoW Regiment-Troop-Hero-War Engine setup.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: A quick question of those who have the book - is there any form of army structure? I read the beta rules for firefight that was on their kickstarter, and I didn't see any sort of structure. It was really just "take whatever you want, but if you take too many of a certain unit in a certain points level your opponent gets bonuses."
Selecting Units
Each force will be made up of a number of
units, each with its own entry in the force list.
There are no specific units that you must or
must not take – it’s up to you to decide which
units will work best for you in the game, or
simply which units you like the look of!
Page 76 in Firefight, and basically the same speech page 75 of Warpath ie no force org, just a points limit; I imagine there will eventually be a tournament pack that adds optional restrictions, but it's free choice out of the box.
e: Warpath of course has restrictions within each unit, ie 1-4 teams, or 2-6 teams, but that's all, there's nothing like the 40k force org chart, or even the KoW Regiment-Troop-Hero-War Engine setup.
Which argusbly is a good thing. Strider army anyone?
You can spam stuff, but the more powerful stuff has a secondary points system, High Value Assets. You only get so many points of those per game before you start to give your opponent VPs.
For example, in a 2000 point game you took nothing but Corporation Lancer Tanks, you'd end up with 18ish HVAs. A 2000 point game has a limit of 5 HVAs, so your opponents would be starting the game with 26 bonus Victory Points.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: You can spam stuff, but the more powerful stuff has a secondary points system, High Value Assets. You only get so many points of those per game before you start to give your opponent VPs.
For example, in a 2000 point game you took nothing but Corporation Lancer Tanks, you'd end up with 18ish HVAs. A 2000 point game has a limit of 5 HVAs, so your opponents would be starting the game with 26 bonus Victory Points.
I like that mechanic. Are there HVAs that aren't just rare vehicles and monsters? Meaning, can you take powerful veteran skills as an HVA instead of a tank?
MasterSlowPoke wrote: You can spam stuff, but the more powerful stuff has a secondary points system, High Value Assets. You only get so many points of those per game before you start to give your opponent VPs.
For example, in a 2000 point game you took nothing but Corporation Lancer Tanks, you'd end up with 18ish HVAs. A 2000 point game has a limit of 5 HVAs, so your opponents would be starting the game with 26 bonus Victory Points.
I like that mechanic. Are there HVAs that aren't just rare vehicles and monsters? Meaning, can you take powerful veteran skills as an HVA instead of a tank?
I like it as well. It's markedly preferable to the market leaders mechanic of buying units in bulk with $$ allowing you to spend zero points in game to use those units.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: You can spam stuff, but the more powerful stuff has a secondary points system, High Value Assets. You only get so many points of those per game before you start to give your opponent VPs.
For example, in a 2000 point game you took nothing but Corporation Lancer Tanks, you'd end up with 18ish HVAs. A 2000 point game has a limit of 5 HVAs, so your opponents would be starting the game with 26 bonus Victory Points.
I like that mechanic. Are there HVAs that aren't just rare vehicles and monsters? Meaning, can you take powerful veteran skills as an HVA instead of a tank?
There are a couple of HVA infantry squads, mostly those using exotic/experimental/rare equipment. I think the enforcer team with the fusion gun is an HVA and maybe the Veermyn Tangle.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: You can spam stuff, but the more powerful stuff has a secondary points system, High Value Assets. You only get so many points of those per game before you start to give your opponent VPs.
For example, in a 2000 point game you took nothing but Corporation Lancer Tanks, you'd end up with 18ish HVAs. A 2000 point game has a limit of 5 HVAs, so your opponents would be starting the game with 26 bonus Victory Points.
I like that mechanic. Are there HVAs that aren't just rare vehicles and monsters? Meaning, can you take powerful veteran skills as an HVA instead of a tank?
There are a couple of HVA infantry squads, mostly those using exotic/experimental/rare equipment. I think the enforcer team with the fusion gun is an HVA and maybe the Veermyn Tangle.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: What page does the B&E Team have an HVA on? I'm not seeing it.
I knew I should have read the next page, the one with the notes for HVAs, unique units, and designated generals.
Also no, I don't see HVA stars on the Breach and Eradicate team in either book. I used ★ in a search of the pdf, and the Tangle was the only infantry unit of any kind with a HVA star, otherwise it was limited to vehicles, and not every vehicle at that - an all Strider army has no HVA stars at all for example.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: What page does the B&E Team have an HVA on? I'm not seeing it.
I knew I should have read the next page, the one with the notes for HVAs, unique units, and designated generals.
Also no, I don't see HVA stars on the Breach and Eradicate team in either book. I used ★ in a search of the pdf, and the Tangle was the only infantry unit of any kind with a HVA star, otherwise it was limited to vehicles, and not every vehicle at that - an all Strider army has no HVA stars at all for example.
I'm in the RC and we spent a huge amount of time looking at and working on different army structure systems for Warpath.
We really wanted players to be able to field varied, diverse lists - say an Asterian Drone army compared to an Asterian Kalyshi one, without having to throw out a ton of restrictive themed variant lists that pushed players into restrictive playstyles. We also wanted people to be able to play fully mechanised lists if they wished, so for example the same GCPS list can be used to create an Imperial Guard Krieg-style ground pounder army, a Steel Legion mechanised infantry force or one akin to Elysian drop troops.
A lot of the mechanics with the way the suppression and damage modelling work help to limit extreme min maxing in lists, and the only real issues were with mass spamming high-Def units and the HVA system is used to handle that. Anything that when fielded in multiples would prove overly challenging for a balanced army to deal with, is assigned an HVA rating. Some units, such as Polaris Striders, which can have an extreme impact on the game en-masse are also assigned HVA ratings.
The thing I like about the HVA system, is that it still allows gamers to play 'what if' scenarios in a structured environment, and makes for an interesting asymmetric challenge for both players. It also allowed us to point up units in two different ways:
(1) A cost metric when fielded in balanced numbers (points)
(2) And one for when fielded in very large numbers (HVA)
YouKnowsIt wrote: I'm in the RC and we spent a huge amount of time looking at and working on different army structure systems for Warpath.
We really wanted players to be able to field varied, diverse lists - say an Asterian Drone army compared to an Asterian Kalyshi one, without having to throw out a ton of restrictive themed variant lists that pushed players into restrictive playstyles. We also wanted people to be able to play fully mechanised lists if they wished, so for example the same GCPS list can be used to create an Imperial Guard Krieg-style ground pounder army, a Steel Legion mechanised infantry force or one akin to Elysian drop troops.
A lot of the mechanics with the way the suppression and damage modelling work help to limit extreme min maxing in lists, and the only real issues were with mass spamming high-Def units and the HVA system is used to handle that. Anything that when fielded in multiples would prove overly challenging for a balanced army to deal with, is assigned an HVA rating. Some units, such as Polaris Striders, which can have an extreme impact on the game en-masse are also assigned HVA ratings.
The thing I like about the HVA system, is that it still allows gamers to play 'what if' scenarios in a structured environment, and makes for an interesting asymmetric challenge for both players. It also allowed us to point up units in two different ways:
(1) A cost metric when fielded in balanced numbers (points)
(2) And one for when fielded in very large numbers (HVA)
Why are Polaris striders a huge impact? Isn't the Polaris cannon anti tank, and the majority of the armies will normally be infantry?
Nice to have one from the RC here
for this point, I like your system and it is actually one I knew from other (older) games and I missed in 40k the most
And I have one question, are we going to see other factions soon?
I knew that Mantic don't want to get into the count as 40k list stuff, but to get people into a complete new game it would be helpful to tell them how many are planed and how long they have to wait for them
YouKnowsIt wrote: I'm in the RC and we spent a huge amount of time looking at and working on different army structure systems for Warpath.
We really wanted players to be able to field varied, diverse lists - say an Asterian Drone army compared to an Asterian Kalyshi one, without having to throw out a ton of restrictive themed variant lists that pushed players into restrictive playstyles. We also wanted people to be able to play fully mechanised lists if they wished, so for example the same GCPS list can be used to create an Imperial Guard Krieg-style ground pounder army, a Steel Legion mechanised infantry force or one akin to Elysian drop troops.
A lot of the mechanics with the way the suppression and damage modelling work help to limit extreme min maxing in lists, and the only real issues were with mass spamming high-Def units and the HVA system is used to handle that. Anything that when fielded in multiples would prove overly challenging for a balanced army to deal with, is assigned an HVA rating. Some units, such as Polaris Striders, which can have an extreme impact on the game en-masse are also assigned HVA ratings.
The thing I like about the HVA system, is that it still allows gamers to play 'what if' scenarios in a structured environment, and makes for an interesting asymmetric challenge for both players. It also allowed us to point up units in two different ways:
(1) A cost metric when fielded in balanced numbers (points)
(2) And one for when fielded in very large numbers (HVA)
Why are Polaris striders a huge impact? Isn't the Polaris cannon anti tank, and the majority of the armies will normally be infantry?
If I had to guess it is because they vapourise anything and if spammed once they had taken out the other sides tanks/heavy hitters they would be difficult to kill while overriding there main disadvantage low rof.
I wouldn't worry, their instantaneous matter transporter is probably just on the fritz again. If I were you, I'd give it another 3 hours or so and then you can panic, call the police, and the BBB.
I wouldn't worry, their instantaneous matter transporter is probably just on the fritz again. If I were you, I'd give it another 3 hours or so and then you can panic, call the police, and the BBB.
I got my FEDEX shipping notice two days ago, with an estimated delivery of YESTERDAY. Not to mention it looks like I will be one of the absolute last people to get their delivery. I also have a history of not getting things on Kickstarter, and have had issues with Mantic as well. Yes, I do sound like overly worried, I admit that. However, once bitten and all that....
I bitched out FedEx for their guy not dropping my box and "claimed he tried to deliver and I wasn't home". No note, no nothing, said he would deliver it the next week on the tracking site. I told them to get his ass back and drop it immediately. I got it two hours later.
Yeah, FEDEX in my area is pretty bad. My wife and I work opposite shifts at work, so we don't need a babysitter or daycare. There is someone home 24 hours a day, if not both of us. FedEx has been known to find someone "not home" on several occasions, including when I was landscaping my front yard. They have delivered my packages to the wrong address several times, and even recorded my address as "unfindable" (or whatever the actual term is when they swear there isn't a house built there. They were a block off of my address when delivering). I almost forgot the time they chucked a package into a snow drift near the corner of my house. I barely noticed it poking out of the fresh snow that was piling up.
I don't understand delivery that bad, the worst I've had is the occasional express delivery van driver who only waits about 15 seconds after ringing the doorbell, before racing back to his van with the package to move on to the next delivery.
timetowaste85 wrote: I bitched out FedEx for their guy not dropping my box and "claimed he tried to deliver and I wasn't home". No note, no nothing, said he would deliver it the next week on the tracking site. I told them to get his ass back and drop it immediately. I got it two hours later.
Good on you. Luckily I live in an apartment complex and they drop packages at the office.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, and also getting back to topic, is anyone else extremely impressed with the gcps sprues adaptability?
I got my FEDEX shipping notice two days ago, with an estimated delivery of YESTERDAY. Not to mention it looks like I will be one of the absolute last people to get their delivery. I also have a history of not getting things on Kickstarter, and have had issues with Mantic as well. Yes, I do sound like overly worried, I admit that. However, once bitten and all that....
Well that's a bit different. I thought you had just gotten the notice that it was on the way.
It's weird - where I am in Canada, FedEx is one of the most dependable delivery services, meanwhile our government run postal services will sit on packages for a few days until they have more stuff to deliver.
timetowaste85 wrote: I bitched out FedEx for their guy not dropping my box and "claimed he tried to deliver and I wasn't home". No note, no nothing, said he would deliver it the next week on the tracking site. I told them to get his ass back and drop it immediately. I got it two hours later.
Good on you. Luckily I live in an apartment complex and they drop packages at the office.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, and also getting back to topic, is anyone else extremely impressed with the gcps sprues adaptability?
I'm loving it, there's a lot of options and the resulting troopers look great.
Only problem I'm finding is figuring out how to represent Rangers with Sniper Rifles, my decision has been to model the troopers with a red stripe on one shoulder pad.
timetowaste85 wrote: I bitched out FedEx for their guy not dropping my box and "claimed he tried to deliver and I wasn't home". No note, no nothing, said he would deliver it the next week on the tracking site. I told them to get his ass back and drop it immediately. I got it two hours later.
Good on you. Luckily I live in an apartment complex and they drop packages at the office.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, and also getting back to topic, is anyone else extremely impressed with the gcps sprues adaptability?
I'm loving it, there's a lot of options and the resulting troopers look great.
Only problem I'm finding is figuring out how to represent Rangers with Sniper Rifles, my decision has been to model the troopers with a red stripe on one shoulder pad.
I'm deciding whether to do that, convert with enforcer pathfinders parts, or use anvil industries Miniatures.
Also, just finished first strike. Great book, few loose ends to tie into a sequel that I will eagerly await. I'm a little disappointed we didn't get an epilogue paragraph for the main corporation marine.
JoeRugby wrote: Not seen one yet so here's a size comparison pic of the GCPS troops
Anyone got the heavy weapon upgrade set to take a pic of?
Just had a gander at this. (I've been on a long holiday hiatus from miniatures.)
The GCPS troops look like they match up brilliantly with the Dreamforge Eisenkern, to the benefit of both. Namely, the GCPS look like they could actually fit inside the Dreamforge armor, so they would look great alongside or fighting against them.
(At first I thought the GCPS might be just slightly too tall relative to the Eisenkern, until I noticed that the Eisenkern's base was about half as tall as the GCPS's.)
Someone should put up some picks of GCPS alongside the oh-so-very-cheap-but-useful Sedition Wars troopers. Maybe I should. Which means maybe I should actually put one together first.
JoeRugby wrote: Not seen one yet so here's a size comparison pic of the GCPS troops
Anyone got the heavy weapon upgrade set to take a pic of?
Just had a gander at this. (I've been on a long holiday hiatus from miniatures.)
The GCPS troops look like they match up brilliantly with the Dreamforge Eisenkern, to the benefit of both. Namely, the GCPS look like they could actually fit inside the Dreamforge armor, so they would look great alongside or fighting against them.
(At first I thought the GCPS might be just slightly too tall relative to the Eisenkern, until I noticed that the Eisenkern's base was about half as tall as the GCPS's.)
Someone should put up some picks of GCPS alongside the oh-so-very-cheap-but-useful Sedition Wars troopers. Maybe I should. Which means maybe I should actually put one together first.
One of CMON's first board game kickstarters, after Zombicide.
Game regularly can be found for under 30 online. Good source of nice scifi bases. Also weird monsters and pretty decent generic scifi grunts if you don't mind restic cleanup.
One of CMON's first board game kickstarters, after Zombicide.
Game regularly can be found for under 30 online. Good source of nice scifi bases. Also weird monsters and pretty decent generic scifi grunts if you don't mind restic cleanup.
Don't mind restic at all. Might be something to look into
The spiky digitigrades are my favorite of the bunch.
Those are the Yndig. That's a really good look for them. The robots look really nice, too. Didn't the concept art for the sumo guys show them with helmets?
All of these are cool. Not sure why but I like the fatties.. Conceptually they are very unique in a sea of buff vietnam swat space knights. The others are cool too.
I notice that Mantic took the Dreadball player Anne-Marie Helgar (or whatever her name was) off their site. I wanted to buy one or two more when I finally had the funds to get their adventure book...
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I notice that Mantic took the Dreadball player Anne-Marie Helgar (or whatever her name was) off their site. I wanted to buy one or two more when I finally had the funds to get their adventure book...
I don't understand delivery that bad, the worst I've had is the occasional express delivery van driver who only waits about 15 seconds after ringing the doorbell, before racing back to his van with the package to move on to the next delivery.
Not as bad as the FedEx stories, but I had the front door open with the screen door closed )I can see out, but out can't see in) and my PC desk is 15 feet from the front door. A delivery guy rang the doorbell and then immediately walked off, trying to leave a parcel under the doormat instead of carding it or, you know, giving me more than seconds to make it to the actual door. I got to the front door within seconds and told him off pretty harshly. Then I looked at the parcel and found it was for next door, so I told him off again, more harshly. Go, go Australia Post. But that's what happens when you outsource/privatise your delivery service and pay drivers per delivery in the interest of "efficiency" over public sector employees.
Backed it largely as a source of terrain and miniatures for Deadzone and Warpath. I'm considering doubling up my EB pledge for the extras and all the Nameless stuff which will be getting Deadzone rules soon.
I've been getting into Rogue Stars and Star Saga has been on my mind from the go. I back it and am eager to see it go together. Really contemplating throwing money into the Battle Systems PM as well as all of these things seem like they feed one another (while draining my wallet)
MLaw wrote: I've been getting into Rogue Stars and Star Saga has been on my mind from the go. I back it and am eager to see it go together. Really contemplating throwing money into the Battle Systems PM as well as all of these things seem like they feed one another (while draining my wallet)
Hey dude I have a bunch of the Battle Systems Sci Fi stuff from their first Sci Fi Kickstarter if you were interested in buying it or something. It's all brand new and unused. I went with a different direction for the project I originally bought it for.
Mymearan wrote: Star Saga! I'd completely forgotten that game existed. Did anyone here back it?
I might have, but despite running 13 Kickstarters back-to-back - actually, they're overlapping, not back-to-back - over 4 1/2 years (that's one roughly every 4 months) they still haven't cared to figure out hub shipping to help backers save on paying a huge proportion of the KS pledge amount on postage and customs fees, like every other "kickstarter company" has, along with many other small companies that figured it out.
Well, that and terribly inconsistent quality of models and rules and polish. So, trust. Especially after Dungeon Saga. "We know we fethed up the last one but the next one will be better." only works so many times. Besides, GW has been getting their act together lately, especially with self-contained boardgames.
MLaw wrote: I've been getting into Rogue Stars and Star Saga has been on my mind from the go. I back it and am eager to see it go together. Really contemplating throwing money into the Battle Systems PM as well as all of these things seem like they feed one another (while draining my wallet)
Rogue Stars has me putting together my Deadzone Rebs starter I've had on a shelf for two years now! And as I do, I've actually gotten excited about using them in DZ2. It's been a real shot in the arm for my interest in my misc Mantic Sci-Fi stuff.
I stuck with my Star Saga pledge despite being fairly leery about their responses to my questions about how they'll avoid another Adventurer's Companion debacle. Rogue Stars and the proposed Nameless DZ2 faction make me feel a bit more at ease. The terrain and minis should be useful, regardless of the quality of the game itself.
Do the forthcoming new Dreadball teams and all the existing Dreadball teams have profiles for the various aliens, robots etc in the new Warpath/Firefight and DZ2 rulebooks? The ability to use Dreadball models or proxies to represent a real variety of aliens on the table top would make those books more appealing to me than if they only have the current main factions.
There used to be an escort the VIP scenario in Deadzone where the VIP was a dreadball player, and they had different stats based on their playing position, but that doesn't seem to have survived into 2nd edition.
The new Yndij team could probably be used in a Rebs DZ team, along with the other alien overlaps, but otherwise you're just doing some pretty standard counts-as.
SeanDrake wrote: Just built the Enforcer jet that caused 10 pages of angst and drama earlier.
I will grab pictures later but I am happy to say there is no seam.
In fact it is a really well designed kit with a minamal amount of parts and which took about 5 minutes to build.
I'm sure someone will tell you you're still wrong
No doubt that certain someone will be along shortly
I think I'm getting that kit in my pledge. If it turns out to be fine once in hand, I'll gladly admit it.
Got my pledge, going through it now. And of course there's a fething great toy-like seam right down the middle of the model. No wonder SeanDrake never turned up later with photos.
Now, people are welcome to think that it's "no big deal" and I'll simply disagree and say that I think it's an unfortunate choice on an otherwise good looking model (nice flying stand, too!) - A horizontal split, angled along the lines of the model would have been much easier to cover up when built, but Maybe Mantic doesn't have access to non-completely-flat tooling at this point in time. However, that's a seam line and there's no getting around that, so I'll thank people here not to try to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
I will agree with him that it's a simple to build kit and doesn't suffer from wanting to be an overly-complex Tamya kit. The plastic infantry models look nice as well - Mantic have really upped their game there. Unfortunately, my invoice doesn't make sense though, with something crossed out and the quantity changed in pen. So I'll have to email them to clarify and ask them to fix it up. So fulfilment issues as usual, which is even more of a shame since the models are really quite nice. /sigh
Any seams, or lack thereof on mine will be pretty much unnoticeable once the undercoat is applied.
If anything is crossed out, then it's a case of, it's an item that's not arriving in that wave (EG, my hornet battlegroups and the mule in my GCPS battlegroup have been crossed out).
Quantities though, that's a bit odd, if it's made, it's made.
I got to see one of those Enforcer Interceptors yesterday that a friend had assembled. It looked really nice and I could barely seem any seam with under normal lighting (with my failing eyes).
One another note the Dreadball playtest material has been updated.
Scraping the backside of a knife (or mould line remover if you have one of those) along that seam line would probably fill it in pretty nicely. I agree it's a shame they cut it that way.
There are 3 pieces (because you know lack of instructions) that I can't figure out what they are for on the "Interceptor". One looks like a landing skid and the other 2 looked like they were half of the same thing or meant to slide over something. Anyone know where those pieces go?
The only tricky parts are the 2 vents that need to be inserted in the wings if you see Compels picture the triangle detail pointing forward on the wing well just in front of that is where the vent goes you need to glue it place before gluing both parts of the wing together. The landing skid goes on the underside of the nose section the wing ends should not be glued and are rotated down to act as the rest of landing gear.
The landing ramp wouldn't stay closed on mine (I magnetised it this evening to bug resolved)
The it seems a bit small for the enforcers, used to undersized vehicles so not a big bug but would have liked them to look like a enforcer could stand up in like the art where they are jumping out to het back.
Nothing game breaking but not the above take some of the shine off of it.
Ok landing skid makes sense, that was where I thought I remembered seeing it in a previous picture. Just wasn't seeing anything that indicated it went there, was expecting some recess or someplace it fit in like the other pieces.
This is the 2 pieces I'm refering too. They aren't the missile launchers or bombs.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually maybe these are the missile launchers you mentioned.. which are different than the bombs.
Yeah, that's what I mean for the missile launcher (Well, missile pods). - That's an optional upgrade for the Accuser Interceptor, and comes set on the Persecutor Bomber.
Have a look on page 101 in the warpath firefight rulebook. - Look on the sides of the fuselage above the wing.
That was what I needed. I didn't think about looking in the books because I haven't opened those up yet.
The seams aren't that bad. I can see how the center one would pick up if you dry brushed or painted it incorrectly but once it is primered and painted, it shouldn't be visible at all.
My only real disappointment was that some of the extra pieces like the landing skid, option missile pods didn't have real methods to attachment or didn't think about magnetization. I am going to magnetize the unit transport part so it can separate from the main hull.
The missile pods are the only plastic parts in the kit without a real attachment method, the landing skid has a V shaped surface that fits into the V shaped groove on the fuselage chin, and every other part has a definite place, and a definite way of fitting, apart from the tail fins, where the horizontal parts are identical and can go either side.
I guess my experience as a hobby kit builder helped, because I found it relatively straightforward to find where everything went - the missile pods and the metal flare launchers were the only things I couldn't place, because as it turns out they have no definite, designed place on the wings or fuselage.
In the latest update on Star Saga, Mantic said they are switching Pledge Manager suppliers to (back to?) Backer Kit. Wasn't their old Pledge Manager company Geiger, the same company that handled Dropfleet Commander's Pledge Manager with all of its unknown unknowns? Wonder if there's a connection or if Mantic had similar experiences...
Mantic originally used pledge manager (https://my.pledgemanager.com/) before swapping to a custom built PM within Mantic digital made by Geiger this is their first use of Backerkit, there must have been issues with the Mantic digital version for them to swap and it would explain the Warpath PM being transferred to pledgehammer (which is still part of Geiger) and it lost a chunk of Dungeon Saga pledges at some point as well. An off the shelf PM is probably easier than a custom build and the Geiger version always had the problem of not allowing you to add on to a pledge once completed.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: In the latest update on Star Saga, Mantic said they are switching Pledge Manager suppliers to (back to?) Backer Kit. Wasn't their old Pledge Manager company Geiger, the same company that handled Dropfleet Commander's Pledge Manager with all of its unknown unknowns? Wonder if there's a connection or if Mantic had similar experiences...
I'm fairly sure Dungeon Saga had an issue with phantom pledge disappearance too.
Built my first 5 Asterian Marionettes and their drone today.
Nice kit. A few options on the Marionettes and 3 different variant for the drone is quite impressive.
It is not the best plastic kit ever, but everything seems fine and of good quality.
The Dreadball app was never all it was cracked up to be either. And I'm always suspicious of companies changing their name. (From Purple Guerilla to Geiger.)
Yeah none of the super cool stuff about digital Dreadball ever materialised, and I basically bought the Dreadball rulebook pack based on eventually getting that app.
Just had a look at the Pledge Manager for Star Saga and this will be the first Mantic KS I have to drop out of. Backed every single one, including the first KoWKS and Loka. Not this one.
Shipping for the base $100 core game is $25 (£20.20!).
Plus $9 (£7.27) extra shipping for EACH add-on. Even the tiny $20 expansion that has about 5 minis in it.
And that's just domestic UK prices. Judging by the KS comments it looks like its $40 base shipping and $15 per add-on to the US. Yes, even the $20 expansion is going to be $35 shipped.
Absolute maximum, tracked and insured, assuming a massive overestimate of 5kg weight for the package, and using the most expensive standard courier in the UK (parcelforce) should be £13. For everything.
And to top it off, no paypal on backerkit, so currency conversion fees and non-sterling bank charges apply...
I temporarily upgraded from a placeholder pledge to the base game, and was charged $25 for shipping to Japan. Maybe they're trying to make up with all of us international backers for the sky high postage costs of their last few campaigns?
Compel wrote: Any seams, or lack thereof on mine will be pretty much unnoticeable once the undercoat is applied.
If anything is crossed out, then it's a case of, it's an item that's not arriving in that wave (EG, my hornet battlegroups and the mule in my GCPS battlegroup have been crossed out).
Quantities though, that's a bit odd, if it's made, it's made.
Thanks for the picture, it's great to see one in the flesh.
Has the Hornet shown up as a model yet, I regret not ordering some of them.
scarletsquig wrote: Just had a look at the Pledge Manager for Star Saga and this will be the first Mantic KS I have to drop out of. Backed every single one, including the first KoWKS and Loka. Not this one.
Shipping for the base $100 core game is $25 (£20.20!).
Plus $9 (£7.27) extra shipping for EACH add-on. Even the tiny $20 expansion that has about 5 minis in it.
And that's just domestic UK prices. Judging by the KS comments it looks like its $40 base shipping and $15 per add-on to the US. Yes, even the $20 expansion is going to be $35 shipped.
Absolute maximum, tracked and insured, assuming a massive overestimate of 5kg weight for the package, and using the most expensive standard courier in the UK (parcelforce) should be £13. For everything.
And to top it off, no paypal on backerkit, so currency conversion fees and non-sterling bank charges apply...
I too was outraged by shipping prices until I saw that the numbers I was being quoted didn't add up with what everyone else was saying. Turns out until you enter an address in Step 2 the pledge manager will assume the worst and quote you for RoW shipping. Watching my $66 shipping turn into $34 made things a bit more acceptable.
Yeah, in the UK I had $8 for base pledge shipping (already paid as part of the Kickstarter), and $8 for the $75 expansion bundle, with individual expansions being $3 each.
Yeah, turns out shipping is fairly reasonable, but the way backerkit has it laid out is terrible, it shows the incorrect pricing right up until you enter the checkout to add address and payment.
Looks like I'll get it after all, probably just the base $100 pledge for now though, expansions can be bought retail if I find I have the time to play them after playing through everything in the base game.
Most interested in what new minis will be made for the Rebs expansion.
Compel wrote: Any seams, or lack thereof on mine will be pretty much unnoticeable once the undercoat is applied.
The more I look at it, the stronger urge to crossbreed it with IJN Akagi I feel. Not sure of the scale, though - whether 1:700 or 1:350 is better... but this thing just REEKS of the Iron Vulture.
Anyway, an interesting kit that would find its uses once in the wild. Thanks for the photographs, Compel!
Making mention in the warpath/Mantic threads...I have decided I want one more dropship/bomber to...well, be a bomber. Anyone in the US who has a spare, send me a message. Can work out a trade, sale, w/e.
So I asked everywhere else, and this is probably a dumb question, but what size base does Ingulff and Pad go on? I have a spare 40MM base and I'm curious as to if it's Blaine's or his.
krystalking wrote: So I asked everywhere else, and this is probably a dumb question, but what size base does Ingulff and Pad go on? I have a spare 40MM base and I'm curious as to if it's Blaine's or his.
For Firefight he's classified as regular infantry which goes on a 25mm base unless otherwise stated (which it isn't ) for Warpath he's an upgrade for a Forge Guard unit so 25mm either way.
Warpath Baine goes on a 40mm base, I heard from someone who only got Blaine in shipment one and that's what he came with, as opposed to the rest of us getting a separate bag of bases for all the minis.
Padd goes on a separate base and doesn't do anything really. I guess in Wapath you could get away with only using 3 Forge Guard + Ingulf and Padd on the team base.
RoninXiC wrote: Built my first 5 Asterian Marionettes and their drone today.
Nice kit. A few options on the Marionettes and 3 different variant for the drone is quite impressive.
It is not the best plastic kit ever, but everything seems fine and of good quality.
I've put together and painted a few of my marionettes too - got to say I'm very impressed with the quality of the plastics.
Seems like a big step forward for Mantic - pic below of some of mine painted:
RoninXiC wrote: Built my first 5 Asterian Marionettes and their drone today.
Nice kit. A few options on the Marionettes and 3 different variant for the drone is quite impressive.
It is not the best plastic kit ever, but everything seems fine and of good quality.
I've put together and painted a few of my marionettes too - got to say I'm very impressed with the quality of the plastics.
Seems like a big step forward for Mantic - pic below of some of mine painted:
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Those look nice - good job. Makes me want some Asterians!
Nothing Sci-Fi related on Ronnie's blog post today but confirmation that resin casting is moving in house from March so I'm sure that will filter into DZ, WP, DB and the like.
RoninXiC wrote: Built my first 5 Asterian Marionettes and their drone today.
Nice kit. A few options on the Marionettes and 3 different variant for the drone is quite impressive.
It is not the best plastic kit ever, but everything seems fine and of good quality.
I've put together and painted a few of my marionettes too - got to say I'm very impressed with the quality of the plastics.
Seems like a big step forward for Mantic - pic below of some of mine painted:
Well it looks like Mantic is doubling down on the stupid which I seem to remember them trying before and having to back down on on one of their previous KS
'Obviously, we want to make sure you get your items, but we cannot do it without your order. If we don’t hear back from you after the deadline above, your pledge will be accepted as a donation towards the Kickstarter project and you will miss out.'
Update #79 ℹ
Feb 6 2017
Wave 1 missing orders and items deadline!
We finished shipping all the Wave 1 orders at the start of last month and hopefully you are now having fun building and painting, and devouring the new rules for Warpath.
If you haven't received your items from Wave 1, the deadline for letting us know about missing orders and items from Wave 1 is Monday 20th February!
You need to contact us ASAP if your order is missing, to make sure we can help resolve this. It may be that we haven’t received an order from you in the pledge manager. Without this we have no shipping details or payment for shipping, and unfortunately the pledge manager doesn’t show us which backers we haven’t received an order from (this is changing for all our future Kickstarter projects, including Star Saga).
Obviously, we want to make sure you get your items, but we cannot do it without your order. If we don’t hear back from you after the deadline above, your pledge will be accepted as a donation towards the Kickstarter project and you will miss out.
If you haven’t checked your order to ensure everything is there, please do so ASAP. We are very careful when we pack each order, but due to the large number of orders, a small number of mis-packs do happen.
We want to make sure these are resolved, so check your order, and contact us if you need any advice on your order. Again, we don’t want you to miss out, so if you have any issues, make sure you let us know before the deadline.
I thought the main issue was that Mantic lost the info AFTER folks in this thread went through the proper steps? Forging an alternative fact narrative by blaming the victims won't help their rep.
er, yeah, as far as I am aware, the only missing Warpath pledges are people who didn't actually read the directions on how to do it. If you've not done your survey it for, what, like, five, or wait, is it eight months now? or something, you kind of deserve to not be coddled for your own stupidity.
If they'd put it on the front page of the KS somewhere... fail to fill in the PM by the date we say and your pledge is treated as a donation I'd agree it would be down to the folk who failed to fill it in
(although there do seem to have been at least a few vanishing pledges here as well, and it's still the same basic PM that lost all those pledges the first time round, and from the same supplier that lost all those Hawk Dropfleet pledges too)
but since they didn't have that in the T&C they're stuck with the liability to provide the stuff (or of course a refund) whenever Joe Computer Illiterate (or Unlucky) finally gets round to asking where the stuff is
lord_blackfang wrote:Mantic did lose a bunch of pledges once.
But they really do, as do all Kickstaters, also constantly struggle with barely (computer-)literate backers who pledge and never fill out any forms.
RoninXiC wrote:Yeah, I think so too. hawk was and is the most stupid company at the moment.
Sining wrote:No, I think that was Hawk. Not Mantic
I could have sworn Mantic had that issue (and I am aware of Hawk's as well so wouldn't confuse them) but it could be an earlier KS and not this one though. If it doesn't apply to this KS then sorry about the confusion on my part.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: If they'd put it on the front page of the KS somewhere... fail to fill in the PM by the date we say and your pledge is treated as a donation I'd agree it would be down to the folk who failed to fill it in
(although there do seem to have been at least a few vanishing pledges here as well, and it's still the same basic PM that lost all those pledges the first time round, and from the same supplier that lost all those Hawk Dropfleet pledges too)
but since they didn't have that in the T&C they're stuck with the liability to provide the stuff (or of course a refund) whenever Joe Computer Illiterate (or Unlucky) finally gets round to asking where the stuff is
Yeah, I seriously question the legality of that, even if that phrase was included at the start. I'm pretty sure that the money in question would fall under unclaimed / abandoned property law, which usually requires the money to be turned over to the government after a certain period of time if the original owner can not be found.
Mantic lost pledges during dungeon saga in a situation that was very similar to Hawks lost pledges. They both used the same pledge manager and, as far as I can remember, kinda active at around the same time, overlapping the end of the DS period with the start of the DFC periods. No-one has said so for sure, but I imagine it was the same bug at the same time that got both. But that's just a theory.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: If they'd put it on the front page of the KS somewhere... fail to fill in the PM by the date we say and your pledge is treated as a donation I'd agree it would be down to the folk who failed to fill it in
(although there do seem to have been at least a few vanishing pledges here as well, and it's still the same basic PM that lost all those pledges the first time round, and from the same supplier that lost all those Hawk Dropfleet pledges too)
but since they didn't have that in the T&C they're stuck with the liability to provide the stuff (or of course a refund) whenever Joe Computer Illiterate (or Unlucky) finally gets round to asking where the stuff is
Yeah, I seriously question the legality of that, even if that phrase was included at the start. I'm pretty sure that the money in question would fall under unclaimed / abandoned property law, which usually requires the money to be turned over to the government after a certain period of time if the original owner can not be found.
But it's not unclaimed or abandoned money; it's a pledge with no guarantee of getting anything in return. So, in essence, a donation just as they said.
Yeah, the nature of crowdfunding where things can legitimately be donations likely muddies the water quite a bit. I'm not a legal expert, but I doubt there's been precedent set on the matter nor do I see any legislatures likely to pick up the issue to define it in law. Even in a best-case I doubt they could clearly define the rules of what is and isn't and that's doubly the case when involving international companies. It'd be an interesting hypothetical case to follow, but given that you end up in that status by not really caring in the first place it seems an unlikely suit to be filed barring someone trying to establish a precedent or an estate trying to recover funds on behalf of a deceased backer.
In most cases for Mantic though it's going to be cheaper to simply give them the money back if asked than to fight it so it's likely just a prod to get people to actually do something.
Well they seem to be going down the route that the Fallen Frontiers kickstarter did. That ended up being a huge PR cluster for them. It isn't like they can't figure out where the missing orders are from. They have the list of final emails/names from Kickstarter, they can cross reference that with the list of emails/names to come up with a list of unfulfilled. Then they can email them. Now the people who were late backers, that creates an issue but at the very least hopefully they are paying attention.
Now I can understand after months of delivery, they doing a final shout out to everyone... but saying they are donations is bad move. I had two orders lost with Mantic from previous KS: Kings of War and Dungeon Saga. Kings of War I didn't notice until really late. Both times I had my evidence of my KS and one of the cases I completed the PM, added extra funds and had proof of that. They took care of it without any fuss, even with KoW being months later before I contacted them. I really appreciated it, especially since the issue is on their server. Well rather it happens when they export KS list to their PM, then a second time when they export that list to fulfillment. I'm not sure why, but either way quite a few orders get lost.
I back a lot of KS. I try to keep up on them, but sometimes it can be difficult. If they start going down the route of "Contact us by X date or the pledge is a donation"... they will end up being one less KS that I have to worry about.
I've actually had no issues with CMON KS, not sure if others have... at least nothing on the scale that I've heard and seen from Mantic. None of my pledges have actually disappeared, as in after redeeming the pledge manager it vanished. Not completing their PM, I get sent multiple reminders (instead of just one initial mail, then reminders through KS Updates which aren't adequate).
The only issue I had with CMON is if a total was due, change in shipping or somehow the card didn't get go through... I don't receive any notification. I've actually gone back into the PM though, saw a total due, paid it and received my KS (8 months late) but without any issues.
If you haven't bothered to fill out the pledge manager in fifteen months...
But seriously, I'm sure Mantic would still honor your pledge. This is probably just a "hey you've had almost a year and a half to fill out the goddamn pledge manager, you are ignoring our attempts to contact you, perhaps this will light a fire under your ass" reminder to the handful of morons who haven't responded.
The latest Dreadball 2 update is a frightening look into how utterly incompetent people are. Nearly 20% of all the backers haven't filled out the pledge manager?
I should think a lot of the folk that threw in $1 just in case the decided to jump in later have spent all their cash on Bloodbowl instead, and abandoned the token pledge here
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I should think a lot of the folk that threw in $1 just in case the decided to jump in later have spent all their cash on Bloodbowl instead, and abandoned the token pledge here
Assuming all $1 pledges didn't respond, that means that ten percent of people having pledged real money have not responded.
But I cannot find any evidence to support your claim. Theoretically if people pledged $1 for Dreadball 2 hoping for a multi-hour plodding game that rewards you with a headache when you lose the game on a single dice roll, then yeah, they found exactly what they wanted in Blood Bowl
judgedoug wrote: The latest Dreadball 2 update is a frightening look into how utterly incompetent people are. Nearly 20% of all the backers haven't filled out the pledge manager?
Dreadball 2 is still going?
I may be one of the guilty if I pledged a dollar and just never bothered to close out the PM when I decided not to partake.
Question; can't seem to find it on the Mantic site: does the fusion gun have rules?! I have 4 models with fusion rifles, and can't find rules anywhere. Except in Deadzone. Seeing how they have the frag rule in Deadzone, that sounds similar enough to blast...could they just be treated like grenade launchers? Points and ability the same? But would they be more acceptable as a heavy team, an assault specialist, or a basic Enforcer unit specialist?
judgedoug wrote: The latest Dreadball 2 update is a frightening look into how utterly incompetent people are. Nearly 20% of all the backers haven't filled out the pledge manager?
I am among those who didn't do it and can shed some light on what happened here: I filled in the pledge manager, got as far as trying to pay, and it quite simply would not let me. I got server errors thrown at me when clicking the payment button or trying to go through PayPal. I put a support call in with mantic about this while the pledge manager was still open and was told that a reasonable number of people were having this issue and we would get emails once the pledge manager was closed so they could sort out what we all wanted. I got my email about this just before that update went out.
judgedoug wrote: The latest Dreadball 2 update is a frightening look into how utterly incompetent people are. Nearly 20% of all the backers haven't filled out the pledge manager?
The "Pledge Manager" system is utter crap.
I don't disagree with your primary assessment, and put it on the backers, but more to the point
- When you have already posted for pledge in what you wanted, and the project runs for over a year plus, then they pop up one day with another pledge manager, after already experiencing 6 months of issues with the Pledge Manager program
- That one already had claimed rewards for in another area fired and forgot a year back. You can't necessarily put it all on the backers, especially when you look at the numbers. 30-50 people, depending on your project, who didn't know about the pledge manager, add on the standard 10% of backers for spoilage.
And I will also add the fact that Mantic is guilty of this same unclear exit strategy/ completion on the project management side. I'll wager that the engineering is solid, but overall execution has a lot to be desired with the Closing processes.
I have added a Project Management discussion on Mantic's issue, from another project. It is an ongoing issue, and I think it is relevant to further use of Project Management of Kickstarter Projects.
You can see exactly where the ... issue... is in the KS projects. The issue is ingrained into Mantic's KS Project Management flow.
Once again, it boils down to Mantic's idea that Monty Haul Kickstarter Projects are its self imposed death of a thousand cuts. You can blame the customer for not jumping through hoops, but in the end it is part and parcel to the Management of the unclear end-state of the project- "What is required of backers."
In this update: Information on Wave 2 Shipping, Progress and Estimates.
Hi everyone,
Now that our Wave 1 shipping is all wrapped up and you guys are playing with your lovely Warpath goodies, it’s time to talk about where we are with the Wave 2 shipments and production progress. It’s a mixed bag of news but you guys need to know where we are so there are no surprises for any of us!
The Forge Father Tank (Sturnhammer/Drakkar/Brandr) has finished production and has just left China on a boat for the UK, with an estimated arrival time of April. The Forge Father Hultr and Veer-myn Tunnel Runner have been tooled and we’ve had the samples back. We are waiting on some final amendments and then we can place the production order.
Ideally, we will wrap these all up together in a single shipping wave if we can (Wave 2a) but if some people are only expecting one vehicle type and not another, we will work it out and get everything out to you in the most efficient way possible. As soon as we can firm up some dates on production and deliveries, we will let you know.
As you know from previous updates, we have been impacted by some changes and issues from our regular tooling and manufacturing factory for hard plastic vehicle kits. As a result we have been working on a new solution with a new supplier (who we have worked with on other projects so they we have plenty of experience of their production quality).
The Veer-myn Tunneller is currently being tooled by them and we hope to get the first test samples back in soon. This will inform whether we have a new solution to begin tooling the remaining kits outstanding; the GCPS/Plague Mule, the GCPS/Plague Hornet and the Asterian Chira/Chroma. Obviously we want the quality of our kits to be high and would very much prefer to have them in hard plastic (as we know you would too) but until we know we have a new solution in place, we can’t give any accurate dates on shipping yet. We will keep you informed on the progress as soon as we know, so everyone can be updated.
I don't know, if they delivered on time (or close to it) in the material they promised, to the quality they promised, there wouldn't be too many complaints. Change any of those variables and frankly, they earn the complaints they get.
You can't sell me one thing, deliver something else, and expect me to be happy.
kodos wrote: It doesn't matter what they do it would be wrong.
Basileans Man at Arms were tooled in hard plastic no matter how the chinese messed it up just to kepp the material
bad models, everyone complains
the chinese mess up hard plastic, so change to restic or resin for good looking models
everyone complain about the material
search for another company to make the stuff in hard plastic
everyone complains for being late and not fulfil promised delivery etc
The last few releases have been pretty well reviewed, actually. Their DBX and DS boardgame plastics had a few weak minis, but overall were at least decent. Their new KoW2 and Warpath plastics were very well done and earned positive reviews. Their DUST plastic minis have also received acclaim from backers. They still pop out the occasional "what were they thinking?" miniature, but for the most part Mantic has steadily improved each KS.
they learned alot from their first fails
but than they still produce in China which also means that there can be a 12 month delay just because the government decided to decline the export licence of the company
(my department has now a 6th month delay on a multi million project just because of Chinese bureaucracy)
CptJake wrote: I don't know, if they delivered on time (or close to it) in the material they promised, to the quality they promised, there wouldn't be too many complaints. Change any of those variables and frankly, they earn the complaints they get.
You can't sell me one thing, deliver something else, and expect me to be happy.
than you should not back on a KS.
as this is giving someone money to try something
so that they run into problems of any kind because it did not work out as originally planned
this is nothing too be surprised because it would be expected
not only for Mantic but for all KS of course there are those that just use the platform as a pre-order system for stuff that is already done (and know that htey would not get the same amount sold on Amazon or their on store)
but all projects that start from scratch ran into problems and have delays of any kind.
Are we celebrating the 100th Cyclic Argument on this thread? It might be time to pop some champagne. Let's see if we got all the bases covered:
1. Argue about what a Kickstarter is and isn't
2. Invent a problem, state it as fact, convince others it is fact
3. Complain about invented problem
4. Repeat for at least three pages
Delays are one thing, and if comms are good are typically accepted.
Changing product materials and/or quality is a different thing. If you KS for a hard plastic model and deliver something else, you failed. That is not the customers fault. And yes, I use the term customer, becuase Mantic sure does use KS as a pre-order system and has for years.
BrookM wrote: This being my first Mantic KS, how big a chance is there that they will use a different material in the end?
They've done it before, no reason they wouldn't do it again.
At least they're still producing them, which is more than can be said of some rewards on their other projects (DS adventure gamebooks, for example).
They did finally produce the adventure game book(s?). Backers just have to buy them at retail now.
Yes, they actually made them now after saying they weren't making them therefore making me spend my pledge credit on other items I didn't want because I initially pledged for the books they said they would make, which they said they were then not making, but ended up making
judgedoug wrote: Are we celebrating the 100th Cyclic Argument on this thread? It might be time to pop some champagne. Let's see if we got all the bases covered:
1. Argue about what a Kickstarter is and isn't
2. Invent a problem, state it as fact, convince others it is fact
3. Complain about invented problem
4. Repeat for at least three pages
No one 'invented a problem'. They pointed out Mantic's wording, and know for a fact Mantic has switched materials in the past, and noted the wording gives them wiggle room to do so yet again.
Using Mantic's past performance as an indicator of future performance, it is fair to say the worry exists. Hopefully Mantic comes through, but I bet if they were not worried themselves about it they would not have used the wording they did.
CptJake wrote: Delays are one thing, and if comms are good are typically accepted.
Changing product materials and/or quality is a different thing. If you KS for a hard plastic model and deliver something else, you failed. That is not the customers fault. And yes, I use the term customer, becuase Mantic sure does use KS as a pre-order system and has for years.
this is you, other customers don't care about the material as long as they got their stuff in time
(and pre-order system is more the CMON games)
BrookM wrote: This being my first Mantic KS, how big a chance is there that they will use a different material in the end?
It depends what it is
Some of the stuff in this KS has already changed material,
eg GCPS Mules went from Resin when I pledged for them to plastic (of some sort could be DS type or hard), to hard plastic and now look to be a bit problematic as they've had to switch factories
(and as far as I can tell it's still not clear whether the plague version is going to be its own unique thing... the plan with the original resin, or some bolt on bits in resin or metal for the GCPS version as seems a bit more likely now)
Automatically Appended Next Post: edit: hard plastic mules would be a bonus for me, resin what I signed up for and DS style PVC the worst option especially if the plague stuff turns into metal bolt on bits
but I was always aware that Mantic is prone to pull the odd material switch especially when they sell lots more or far fewer of something than expected
judgedoug wrote: Are we celebrating the 100th Cyclic Argument on this thread? It might be time to pop some champagne. Let's see if we got all the bases covered:
1. Argue about what a Kickstarter is and isn't
2. Invent a problem, state it as fact, convince others it is fact
3. Complain about invented problem
4. Repeat for at least three pages
No one 'invented a problem'. They pointed out Mantic's wording, and know for a fact Mantic has switched materials in the past, and noted the wording gives them wiggle room to do so yet again.
Using Mantic's past performance as an indicator of future performance, it is fair to say the worry exists. Hopefully Mantic comes through, but I bet if they were not worried themselves about it they would not have used the wording they did.
Hrm...so Google offered this insight:
Spoiler:
Something to be aware of? Certainly. Something to worry about? Not at this stage. Ronnie is not a supervillian who is already five steps ahead of the hapless backers and planting the seeds of his sudden and inevitable betrayal; a just as cogent explanation is that they're worried that the other manufacturer may not be up to snuff and would be a repeat of the M@A incident so they're being honest that they haven't seen if they can be brought on to do the work. I'd imagine if they can't, then the topic of material change may come up since it'd be insanely overdue if they had to start from scratch with another HIPS manufacturer.
Until that scenario has come about though, probably best to just keep a weather eye out.
Something to be aware of? Certainly. Something to worry about? Not at this stage. Ronnie is not a supervillian who is already five steps ahead of the hapless backers and planting the seeds of his sudden and inevitable betrayal; a just as cogent explanation is that they're worried that the other manufacturer may not be up to snuff and would be a repeat of the M@A incident so they're being honest that they haven't seen if they can be brought on to do the work. I'd imagine if they can't, then the topic of material change may come up since it'd be insanely overdue if they had to start from scratch with another HIPS manufacturer.
Until that scenario has come about though, probably best to just keep a weather eye out.
You DO realize your google search brings up articles on financial investment (stocks/mutual funds) performance, right?
Which makes your snark less than relevant. Past performance/behavior for people or companies IS a good indicator of future perform/behavior. Change 'performance' with 'behavior' and show me the new screenshot.
Something to be aware of? Certainly. Something to worry about? Not at this stage. Ronnie is not a supervillian who is already five steps ahead of the hapless backers and planting the seeds of his sudden and inevitable betrayal; a just as cogent explanation is that they're worried that the other manufacturer may not be up to snuff and would be a repeat of the M@A incident so they're being honest that they haven't seen if they can be brought on to do the work. I'd imagine if they can't, then the topic of material change may come up since it'd be insanely overdue if they had to start from scratch with another HIPS manufacturer.
Until that scenario has come about though, probably best to just keep a weather eye out.
You DO realize your google search brings up articles on financial investment (stocks/mutual funds) performance, right?
Which makes your snark less than relevant. Past performance/behavior for people or companies IS a good indicator of future perform/behavior. Change 'performance' with 'behavior' and show me the new screenshot.
Why?
I'm really hoping his post was just a joke. Because otherwise, the human race has just taken a wrong turn on the information super highway. That's not how knowledge and facts work!
The point is that past performance is not a guarantee of what will happen in a future for anything. If it was, then there would be no point in allowing people second chances for any mistake ever made. Made a mistake on a math test in school? You're bad at math and can never learn to be good at it. Life over, get out. Maybe you can get an English degree. Except that's exactly NOT how it works.
Does this mean you should never consider the past? Of course not, simply that what happened before is not an ironclad indicator of what WILL happen and to act like it will be is its own form of folly. Mantic have screwed up in the past and have pulled material switches; these are both indisputable facts of the past. That Mantic has acknowledge many of the mistakes they've made makes them less likely to re-occur, though "less likely" does not translate to "impossible" of course.
BrookM wrote: This being my first Mantic KS, how big a chance is there that they will use a different material in the end?
They've done it before, no reason they wouldn't do it again.
At least they're still producing them, which is more than can be said of some rewards on their other projects (DS adventure gamebooks, for example).
They did finally produce the adventure game book(s?). Backers just have to buy them at retail now.
Yes, they actually made them now after saying they weren't making them therefore making me spend my pledge credit on other items I didn't want because I initially pledged for the books they said they would make, which they said they were then not making, but ended up making
Me too!
Still, it's not too expensive I did end up with a lovely Valedor*.
*Lovely on the inside. You have to get to know him. He doesn't make it easy, but if you put out the offer of interest and let him warm up to you, totally lovely person.
So I've actually just opened up the Vermyn I've gotten from the DZ KS and I have to say I'm pretty impressed with the PVC casting. Minimal mold lines (almost none to be precise). If everyone could cast PVC like this, I would be much more accepting of it as a medium
The next few months will be spent focusing on the first few armies from the book - Enforcers, Forge Fathers, Asterians, Veer-Myn - which you'll see more of next month. After that we will be releasing the GCPS and Plague. Remember that a lot of the units in the Kickstarter aren't out yet and it'd make little sense to start another faction without seeing those released first. We'll be supporting existing factions by getting starter sets, KS releases and a few more units out as we go - this takes us into next year.
Next year we'll also be handling Star Saga releases, which will include the Rebs and Nameless expansions. The models for these are planned to go into Deadzone, too. Warpath is something we can try but it isn't nailed down just yet for those factions, as we'd prefer to have fully supported list in terms of miniatures, rather than releasing lists without miniatures. In the short list of factions to do beyond the current 6, Rebs and Nameless are on the short list.
Nostromodamus wrote: "Swaythes" is how a lot of English people pronounce it, myself included.
But Honest Trailer Voice Guy isn't English! Also, is Forgefather the plural of Forgefather? Kind of sounds like he was phoning it in if that wasn't an imitator...
Still, props to Mantic for the effort. The Warpath 'universe' is coming along nicely.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpharius, what's a little ten orders of magnitude between friends?
Should we have gotten our digital rules copies of Warpath yet? I certainly haven't, but I do have my physical rulebooks and now see they're about to release them digitally to the general public.
If that's their only "finished" flyer, they might be holding off until other factions have their flying models available. Because some semblance of balance when releasing a new game with several factions.
That's a good point, plus it means a whole "flyer's inbound" marketing blitz when the others are ready, building excitement.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That's a good point, plus it means a whole "flyer's inbound" marketing blitz when the others are ready, building excitement.
Yeah, but I want my fifth damn drop ship!! Well, two as dropships with burst lasers. One with Polaris cannons, two as bombers! Jury is out about my "addiction".
I'm sure it's frustrating to wait while Mantic just sits on your drop ships. But consider that they don't even have a manufacturer for my drop ship yet
Nostromodamus wrote: "Swaythes" is how a lot of English people pronounce it, myself included.
But Honest Trailer Voice Guy isn't English!
If it's the way many voice acting gigs go he may have done it the American way, sent it back, and it could have come back with with requests and suggestions including "You pronounced this wrong", and epic voice guy being a professional does what the customer asks.
Just postulation on my part, but having been involved in voice overs and narration similar things have happened to me before.
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm sure it's frustrating to wait while Mantic just sits on your drop ships. But consider that they don't even have a manufacturer for my drop ship yet
I'm also waiting on GCPS drop ships. Like...6, I think? You get three per GCPS battle group, right?
And I'll be very disappointed if they (or the mules) are restic. I have the marauder raptors, and those are awful!
lord_blackfang wrote: I'm sure it's frustrating to wait while Mantic just sits on your drop ships. But consider that they don't even have a manufacturer for my drop ship yet
I'm also waiting on GCPS drop ships. Like...6, I think? You get three per GCPS battle group, right?
And I'll be very disappointed if they (or the mules) are restic. I have the marauder raptors, and those are awful!
If Mantic don't make the main vehicle kits in hard plastic, Warpath/Firefight's release will be DoA. I just can't see a load of people coming in from that 'other game' to restic vehicles. Main troops and vehicles need to be hard plastic, the rest in metal, resin or that new pvc.
GW dropped the ball with the release of AoS and really helped Mantic out with KoW. I'm sure that won't happen again when 40k 8th is released.
If Mantic don't make the main vehicle kits in hard plastic, Warpath/Firefight's release will be DoA. I just can't see a load of people coming in from that 'other game' to restic vehicles
most people coming from the other game won't buy anything no matter what material
and I am sure the standard stuff will be in hard plastic and hope for resin/restic upgrades will replace the metal parts in future
Dreadball 2 KS delayed until October due to manufacturing issues. That's when Star Saga is supposed to ship so at a guess that will slip to Q1 2018.
New Renders
Warpath Objective cards - £7.99 contains 66 Objective Cards for use in games of Warpath and Firefight, including every Objective in the Rulebook and Faction Specific Objectives. Retail only release these are not part of the KS.
I wonder if 'manufacturing issues' means that Mantic are pulling all their (hard) plastic business from the current Chinese factory that couldn't/wouldn't do most of the flyers and are now having to move it all over to another?
I've backed an unrelated dice KS that just got a pretty hard shaft from their Chinese manufacturer as well over materials, gate locations, and a big backtrack on metallic ink (the samples they sent to earn the contract had it, now they claim they can't do it); and Reaper has been pulling teeth trying to get everything out of China for Bones 3, and while they'll beat the Bones 1 time, it'll actually be later than Bones 2. Might be a bit of a pinch over there right now.
Azazelx wrote: Should we have gotten our digital rules copies of Warpath yet? I certainly haven't, but I do have my physical rulebooks and now see they're about to release them digitally to the general public.
Anyone know anything about this? Dave? Anyone? Bueller? I'd like to check with others on the forum before hassling Mantic directly.
Thanks guys - found them. I'd forgotten that they were direct links and not to the Mantic Digital store. I wonder how they're going to handle digital updates and Kickstarter backers after that recent email? I wonder how they're going to handle KoW backers and digital updates for that matter, since those went out via Wargames Vault if I remember correctly/
My KoWKS rulebook was through Wargames Vault. Other KS rules were links to pdfs that came through Mantic's digital store.
The thing is, I also *bought* several of the original DZ books and the KoW Uncharted Empires through Mantic digital. Now when I log into Mantic digital, it says there's no downloads or orders made.
I guess someone at Mantic pressed a reset button.
:-(
Gimgamgoo wrote: My KoWKS rulebook was through Wargames Vault. Other KS rules were links to pdfs that came through Mantic's digital store.
The thing is, I also *bought* several of the original DZ books and the KoW Uncharted Empires through Mantic digital. Now when I log into Mantic digital, it says there's no downloads or orders made.
I guess someone at Mantic pressed a reset button.
:-(
Your existing purchases are under the My Library tab at the top of the page, took me a couple of minutes to figure out as well.
Gimgamgoo wrote: My KoWKS rulebook was through Wargames Vault. Other KS rules were links to pdfs that came through Mantic's digital store.
The thing is, I also *bought* several of the original DZ books and the KoW Uncharted Empires through Mantic digital. Now when I log into Mantic digital, it says there's no downloads or orders made.
I guess someone at Mantic pressed a reset button.
:-(
Your existing purchases are under the My Library tab at the top of the page, took me a couple of minutes to figure out as well.
Azazelx wrote: Should we have gotten our digital rules copies of Warpath yet? I certainly haven't, but I do have my physical rulebooks and now see they're about to release them digitally to the general public.
Is anyone willing to snag me an interceptor at adepticon and mail it to me?? I need one! If they're selling the Polaris cannon bits with them, then I'd want two interceptors and a Polaris cannon set! PM me if you can help!
- Enforcers to get command squad miniatures, Sergeant Howlett to get his own squad.
- Medics for other races are possible
- New races like the Nameless will be introduced to Star Saga/ Deadzone first then expanded to WP later by adding HIPs troops
- Brokkr bomb bots possible in Firefight but not Warpath
- FF alternate weapons for weapon platforms are planned
- highest priority for HIPS infantry are Asterian Cyphers and Plague 2nd gens - Rebs are a matter of getting the miniature range right first
- Marauders need work on both the background and miniatures before they get their own army list
- Asterian pulse bombard will get released probably as part of a set of weapons platforms
- Asterian army deal released in May
- No FF flyers, no Enforcer ground vehicles
- There won't be armybooks for individual armies new lists will be part of larger sourcebooks which may include expansions/campaigns
- All units that are in the rule book should have minis released by summer 2018
Azazelx wrote: Should we have gotten our digital rules copies of Warpath yet? I certainly haven't, but I do have my physical rulebooks and now see they're about to release them digitally to the general public.
Backers received them on December 7, 2016.
Thanks guys - found the email. I was expecting it to be in my Mantic Digital Library since a bunch of the DeadZone stuff is in there. What happens when they update the digital rules for WP and KoW? It seems that we would need to re-purchase them since we won't get updated versions from our Mantic Digital accounts?
- Enforcers to get command squad miniatures, Sergeant Howlett to get his own squad.
- Medics for other races are possible
- New races like the Nameless will be introduced to Star Saga/ Deadzone first then expanded to WP later by adding HIPs troops
- Brokkr bomb bots possible in Firefight but not Warpath
- FF alternate weapons for weapon platforms are planned
- highest priority for HIPS infantry are Asterian Cyphers and Plague 2nd gens - Rebs are a matter of getting the miniature range right first
- Marauders need work on both the background and miniatures before they get their own army list
- Asterian pulse bombard will get released probably as part of a set of weapons platforms
- Asterian army deal released in May
- No FF flyers, no Enforcer ground vehicles
- There won't be armybooks for individual armies new lists will be part of larger sourcebooks which may include expansions/campaigns
- All units that are in the rule book should have minis released by summer 2018
Marauders news is bad. Very very bad.
The rest of the news is not surprising really. Holding off on any of this. Just really not feeling Mantic at the moment. Hoping to find some non-Mantic fanboy type reviews on youtube after all the general releases have been circulating. The bulk of feedback now are either super loyal diehards or people who backed them enough to regret it. Need some objectivity going forward.
While we're on the topic of news:
While I'm not entirely sure where I heard it (I think it was the Warpath fanatics facebook page, I've forgotten) one of the Mantic guys there said Ranger Sniper Rifles would be coming with the general GCPS release (implied to be around May/June.)
Not sure if he said metal or not but I believe he did.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: The marauders background is pretty good, at least the mandrake rebellion part. A slight visual redesign (mangalores?) could help to sell them.
I like them as GoW Locust. They're already super close.. or the reptillians (Fatu-Krey) from Galaxy Quest. Mangalores could work but they're so dopey.
MLaw wrote: The rest of the news is not surprising really. Holding off on any of this. Just really not feeling Mantic at the moment. Hoping to find some non-Mantic fanboy type reviews on youtube after all the general releases have been circulating. The bulk of feedback now are either super loyal diehards or people who backed them enough to regret it. Need some objectivity going forward.
If it helps, my FLGS has a Warpath group running, headed by an ex-GW employee. They got maybe a half dozen people playing weekly now. I've been itching to join in but they run it on the same nights I run the Bolt Action league.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: The marauders background is pretty good, at least the mandrake rebellion part. A slight visual redesign (mangalores?) could help to sell them.
I saw someone's Marauders I think on one of the many FB groups where they had painted their skin a rubbery grey with black armor. They looked a lot more menacing than the standard bright green with reds and yellows that Space Orks are painted.
They should get Shieldwolf to redesign them; their Mountain Orcs are pretty evil looking.
MLaw wrote: The rest of the news is not surprising really. Holding off on any of this. Just really not feeling Mantic at the moment. Hoping to find some non-Mantic fanboy type reviews on youtube after all the general releases have been circulating. The bulk of feedback now are either super loyal diehards or people who backed them enough to regret it. Need some objectivity going forward.
If it helps, my FLGS has a Warpath group running, headed by an ex-GW employee. They got maybe a half dozen people playing weekly now. I've been itching to join in but they run it on the same nights I run the Bolt Action league.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: The marauders background is pretty good, at least the mandrake rebellion part. A slight visual redesign (mangalores?) could help to sell them.
I saw someone's Marauders I think on one of the many FB groups where they had painted their skin a rubbery grey with black armor. They looked a lot more menacing than the standard bright green with reds and yellows that Space Orks are painted.
They should get Shieldwolf to redesign them; their Mountain Orcs are pretty evil looking.
The problem with Shieldwolf's orcs is that their heads are so massive. I think they just didn't understand the tooling or something when they did them.. but they look awful to me. That general feral.. almost cat like shape is fine.. they just look like bobble heads though.
Painting the Mantic Marauders grey is something I intend to do with the existing models. I think the misstep was that Mantic did all of this "not-GW" stuff.. and they took it hard sci-fi.. but they got to Orcs and decided "screw it" and leaned into it almost full GW. Thematically and in many places artistically it's too similar. If they had gone more hard sci-fi with the concept and removed them from the design elements that make GW Orks what they are.. I think they would've found a bit more success. Ramshackle, slightly dopey, hints of WW2 uniforms.. none of that needed to come over. I hope they take it the direction of some sort of space conquistador (not literally.. they don't need to be spaniards).
Back during the first Dead Zone KS I was disappointed with the Silly Happy orcs. I felt it was a missed opportunity to sculpt them as the vicious smart mercs they were supposed to be. The dancing sniper goblin was the worst offender but the over all look was just too far into the silly camp for my tastes.
Azazelx wrote: Was that for all the outstanding stuff, or just the Gunship?
Just the gunship I think as it is tooled and in production and most of the rest aren't
edit: new KS update just out says
The FF Tank (above) has completed production. We’ve approved the Hultr and Tunnel Runner tools and they start production imminently. The Tunneler completes tooling in the next couple of weeks and then we will have test shots to review before production- we will do an update with image of these when they arrive.
That's looking good. Happy that they decided "nope not good enough" and sent the plastics back for re-tooling, an extra 6 months wait is much better than getting something that isn't high-quality enough. One of main ways that they've changed from their earlier kickstarters, no compromises on quality.
It'll be a lot longer than another 6 months if it's just the tooling for the gunship that's been approved at this stage. There's tooling and approval for the rest of it, manufacturing, hopefully dodging restic or some other half-arsed material change solution for the other models, production of same, shipping to the UK and then packing and distribution to backers around the world.
Oh yeah, we're already an extra several months into the wait so far anyway. :p
judgedoug wrote: I agree, would rather wait for good stuff than get some more crap stuff in the meantime.
My concern is that as items are completed and dribble in they'll just sit on them for months (or a year or more?) until it all gets in so they can ship it in a single second wave.
What’s happening at the Mantic Open Day! April 25, 2017
The Mantic Open Day is fast approaching, so we wanted to give you a run down of exactly what you’ll be able to do during the day… plus we want to announce a very special FREE gift for all those that attend. You better read on to find out more…
1.FREE ENFORCER INTERCEPTOR
That’s right! Attendees will get either a free Warpath Enforcer Interceptor worth £24.99*. Honestly, we’re not kidding! We want to get the Warpath word out there and one of the best ways is showing off the awesome vehicles, which aren’t hitting retail as individual purchases until June.
2.LEE AND CLEMENTINE BOOSTER FOR THE WALKING DEAD: ALL OUT WAR
The Lee and Clementine Booster sold out within an hour at Salute, so we’re expecting it to be popular during the Mantic Open Day too. We’ll have limited stock available during the event, so you’ll need to get here nice and early. For those of you who can’t make it, you’ll be able to pre-order the Lee and Clementine booster on our website all weekend, along with Wave Two of The Walking Dead, both of which will ship towards the end of the month once Kickstarter backers have received their goodies.
3.PLAY STAR SAGA WITH STEWART OUR STUDIO MANAGER
Can you beat our resident evil overlord Stewart? Throughout the Open Day you’ll have the chance to play one of the Star Saga scenarios to see if you can beat Stewart, although the chances are slim, to be honest. Plus, we’ll have the painted Star Saga miniatures on display during the day for you to drool over.
4.MULTIPLAYER WALKING DEAD ARENA DEATH MATCH BATTLE ROYALE!
In the post-apocalyptic world of The Walking Dead, it’s every survivor for themselves! Take to the streets of Atlanta to see if you can be the last survivor standing. Tool yourself up with some (hopefully) useful equipment and then battle it out against the other characters to grab the most loot. Who will make it out alive?
5.TRY OUT WARPATH
Fancy trying out our epic sci-fi wargame? Then the Open Day is the perfect opportunity because we’ll be running Warpath demos all day.
6.JETBIKE RACING!
Not literally unfortunately, but you will have the opportunity to try out our slightly bonkers Jetbike Racing game, inspired by the Deadzone rules. Hammer it around the track and shoot down your opponents to see if you can cross the finish line first. Plus, we’ll be making the Jetbike Racing rules available to our newsletter subscribers shortly, so make sure you sign up at www.manticgames.com!
7.PLAY WAVE TWO OF THE WALKING DEAD: ALL OUT WAR
With the retail launch of Wave Two just around the corner and the Kickstarter contents currently on the boat from China, it’s time to get excited about Wave Two! At the Open Day, you’ll be able to try out one of the scenarios from the upcoming Miles Behind Us expansion, which sees Rick and the gang travel to Hershel’s farm.
8.PAINT AND TAKE
Try your hand at painting an Enforcer or get creative with a Walking Dead Walker. We’ll have a painting station set up with all the paints, brushes and other accessories you need to paint your own miniature, plus you can take it home once you’ve finished. We’ll also have Dave Neild, our studio painter, on hand to offer some tips and tricks for painting Warpath miniautres.
9.SEMINARS!
Mantic Open Day
The seminars are always a great opportunity for Ronnie to spill the beans about what’s coming up and they’re usually handy for Mantic staff to find out what we’ll be doing in the next year too ;-p For this Open Day, Ronnie and Stewart will be talking about what’s coming up over the next few months and Rob will be chatting about the Kings of War summer campaign. For those of you that can’t make it to the Open Day, make sure you keep checking Facebook throughout the day, as we’ll be livestreaming the seminars.
10.SHOP DEALS
As usual, the shop will be open for all your Mantic purchases… and we might even have a few treats and surprises in there too!
We’ve got a handful of tickets left, so if you want one of those FREE Warpath vehicles, you better snap one up quick! You can buy a single ticket or a group ticket for four people and we look forward to seeing you there!
£24.99 for the Interceptor is a decent price but €39.99($39.99) direct - not so much. I need 2 more so I'll have to get them from a UK discounter with free shipping.
Just saw someone post a quote from Ronnie on fb saying they're "waiting to see how the Tunneller comes out before committing the others to the new manufacturer", and having to switch manufacturers would help explain some of the delays.
Is the big crazy one in the first photo supposed to be the final boss for the Nameless, that got unlocked when the PM hit?
It's a lot more visually interesting than yet another upright humanoid. Especially if they get the sizing right- something like that needs to be able to tangle with a Stage 1 Plague!
highlord tamburlaine wrote: Is the big crazy one in the first photo supposed to be the final boss for the Nameless, that got unlocked when the PM hit?
It's a lot more visually interesting than yet another upright humanoid. Especially if they get the sizing right- something like that needs to be able to tangle with a Stage 1 Plague!
Yeah think it's the Namless Monstrosity the picture wasn't tagged but it's a much better design than they had but that was largely just a place holder anyway. The third one I believe is the Blight again they only used place holder artwork during the KS.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Is there a retail estimate for the Interceptor and other fliers?
Ronnie said £25 ($40) for all Warpath vehicles is the target unless production/tooling requires a higher price.
Also mentioned
- Dreadball 2 complete redesign from the ground up to balance everything they added a new stat which removes the need for special rules. They regret doing Xtreme as it broke the balance in the game.
- KS delivery now end of year retail April 2018.
- Deadzone GCPS rules later this year - rules included in the stater box, PDF online for those that have what they need already
- Nameless similar but later release
-Warpath Rebs - still need to consider plastic troops but GCPS troops and vehicles will be included with the Rebs. Probably mid to late 2018.
£25 ($40) for vehicles.. what the hell with that exchange rate??? The USD is doing way better than that ratio.. gonna have to order UK I guess if I end up getting any of that.. as $40 isn't gonna fly for me..
Those renders are pretty crazy. Looks like someone bought Marmoset for their concept renders
If you want yours to look like that you're going to have to coat it in polyeurathane, gloss coat it, carry around a lighting rig, and keep it sprayed down with water or baby oil lol.. It looks like they have gloss and specularity cranked through tha roof.
I am still glad I backed this. Zero buyer remorse. So many quirky aliens and monsters. Like someone mentioned, very easy to cross into some horror or other genre type gaming with stuff like this.
BrookM wrote: I suppose there was no news on the GCPS vehicles current tooling / whatever status?
All Ronnie said was that they'd given the tunneller to the new company as a test if they pass then they'll get more they used the tunneller as it doesn't have the smooth details of the chroma so less to mess up as a first try. From that I'd guess tooling of the other vehicles is still some way off yet.
I still hope they do well, but these running delays in production, delivery and more importantly - retail mean that resurgent GW and new-40k are going to eat WarPath'slunch.
BrookM wrote: Lunch, dinner and if this keeps up, they'll also stay for breakfast the morning after for sure.
It's a shame really. For the last 6 months I've had a 40K khaki uniformed IG Armoured Fist company painted up waiting for their Tunnellers.
I rarely game due to time and location constraints but I'm always looking for something different to build up and paint. That's why I jumped in on Mantic's KS.
That said, I'm perfectly happy to wait for what Mantic consider to be a good product rather than a 'rush any tat out' to fulfil the KS.
The nameless models have a great dual use potential for King of Wars for eitheir Neretica or the Night stalkers.
I have already seen some nicely done units using the Dreadball nameless team, this bring a nice expansion to the same idea, and I don't regret having pledged for an additionnal nameless minions addon. ^_^
Yeah as much as they got a really lucky break with the launch time of Kings of War 2E, whatever disaster befell their original production partner and forced them to find another mid stream has really screwed them.
I spotted this Heavy Magma Cannon Jotuun Platform in the WP release video, probably a resin gun, pity they are still using the old gunner he could do with an update
DaveC wrote: I spotted this Heavy Magma Cannon Jotuun Platform in the WP release video, probably a resin gun, pity they are still using the old gunner he could do with an update
The gunner does let it down.. but really I'm surprised that thing is sitting at an angle like that and not tipping. It looks extremely front heavy. Part of me dislikes how over the top the design is.. but I think they've landed just at the edge of ludicrous and would probably add that to my FF... when.. they get built
WAyland have the Jotuun set up for pre order £25 for 3 with 1 resin magma cannon, it does look ridiculously big I guess they took the tank version and just made it fit the chassis with minimum changes
