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My WP box was waiting for me when I got to work this morning. Everything looks to be there. Now to find time to read the rules...

Thanks Squig. I'm mildly interested at retail but I bailed on the KS due to being stung on shipping/customs and their uncertainty on Firefight.

One of those situations where I can't trust them on KS but wish I could support their HIPS production.

Warpath plastics are definitely starting to trickle out there in the wild.

Got some Veer-myn Nightmare plastics from my cousin in Warpath packaging (although yeah, they were in the Infestation campaign) but also saw the 3rd gen Plague plastics are at retail as well.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Thanks Squig. I'm mildly interested at retail but I bailed on the KS due to being stung on shipping/customs and their uncertainty on Firefight.

One of those situations where I can't trust them on KS but wish I could support their HIPS production.

You might end up with a similar deal at retail on some of the stuff, the vehicles priced at $30 + shipping/ customs in the KS is probably going to be very close to discounted/ bundled retail. I went easy on the add-ons during the KS and stuck with the best value-for-money things (the core army battleforces and a few choice add-ons).

Thankfully Firefight has turned out really well, it's basically identical to Warpath with minimal modifications to work better with individual minis.

Originally I was going to play Warpath due to knowing it was a good set of rules and not sure about where Firefight was going. Now that I've seen Firefight, I don't see any reason to play Warpath regularly except for an occasional colossal game.

At the moment I'm assembling a 1250 point Asterian list and it has 23 models in it, which is great - for once I can get an army assembled in a week and painted in a month rather than having it be some massive project that drags out across a year.

Really think the 20-50 model count is the sweet spot, large enough to feel like a proper battle rather than a skirmish, but not massive enough to be too overwhelming to paint in the first place. I really like KoW, but 150+ models is a *lot* of work.

New Year, New Game: Ronnie's preview of 2017





Well, what a monster 2016 was! To give you some idea of the past 12 months:
•Kings of War continued to march on, with lots of tournaments, new armies and a historical book
•We struggled to keep Dungeon Saga in stock
•We launched The Walking Dead: All Out War – and the response has been fantastic
•We have just finished shipping the Warpath KS – the only game in town for epic scale sci-fi battles (and Firefight for those who like smaller scale killing!)
•And, finally, we also did a couple of smaller Kickstarters to set up some of next year’s releases…

So what do we have next year… well the short answer is 2017 is shaping up to be a very exciting year, fuelled by gaming joy!





Kings of War





But, let’s do the ugly stuff first. Over the last 18 months we have been hit with a heap of price rises, and on top of that the dollar prices have risen too. We have soaked this up for as long as we can, and held the armies sets at £50 this year, even though the regiment sets all went up in price.

However, the current Kings of War army sets, and Dungeon Saga will be going up to £59.99 from Feb 1st. We will look at reconfiguring the sets to see if we can bring them back to £50, and offer a better starter force at the same time. However, that does still give you 30 days to pick them up at the existing price, so if you’ve been thinking of starting KoW or picking up a new army for the summer campaign, there’s no better time than now!









The year is starting with a ’new year, new army’ theme – because it always takes a while to get that army ready for the tabletop. Plus, if you want to be involved in the massive summer campaign you’d best get building and painting! If you want to give KoW a try, then you can find the new rules here and we have a special offer on the softback gamer’s edition of the rulebook right now too.

In the summer we have the global campaign, which we will be run alongside Beasts of War, and the outcome will move the storyline along. Then towards the end of the year we will have the Kings of War sourcebook (just like that beautiful edition that some of you will have in your Warpath pledges).





Warpath





Talking of Warpath, it will hit retail in April. First up will be Enforcers vs. ForgeFathers and the armies come thick and fast thereafter. Warpath is all about big battles – while the mechanics are all new, and themed strongly about taking key strategic points, and using the terrain well.

We have tried to apply a lot of what we have learned from KoW about game length and clean, slick rules – so you can set up and play through in a couple of hours. If a mass battle is too much, there is the more skirmish-sized battles in Firefight.








If that’s too big you can play Deadzone for squad sized tactical actions (with some new releases planned, including a GCPS faction). And if even that is too much, then wait for Star Saga coming later in the year, where the Warpath universe gets its very own dungeon crawler-style board game.




Dreadball




And of course we have Dreadball 2nd edition hitting next year. This edition of Dreadball will rebalance the teams, make Jacks rock and make sure there is a very cool league system to tie your games together. If you want to jump in on the beta testing for DB2 then click here.




The Walking Dead: All Out War




And then we have The Walking Dead: All Out War rolling out throughout the year. January and February sees the individual release of the Atlanta Camp Survivors, with Rick on a Horse, The Governor and Morgan all available – and if you got the Kickstarter and want to add these, go here. May sees Hershel’s farm, and a host of new faces joining the game. Oh, and we have added a few BIG names as retail exclusives then too. We’ll have organized play packs coming out, paint sets and some game aids too.








And finally...





Ok, nearly finished. The plan for the future is to focus more and more on making our product available through your local hobby stores, rather than running lots of Kickstarter campaigns. This means we are making new organized play packs, as well as improving the existing ones.

We will still use Kickstarter to help us with the bigger projects, so we can go large and hard at launch, just as we did this year. But on some we might limit the pledges to exactly the funding needed.

We will also be attending more shows than ever next year – both in the UK and Europe. Plus, we’ll be back at PAX shows for the first time in five years!

And what’s coming up you ask…well far be it from me to say , but I have always been known for my love of a bit of 3D scenery, especially all the useful stuff that brings your wargames table, or dungeon to life, and I might have been testing a skirmish-style game recently…

So, thank you for your fantastic support for Mantic over the last 12 months. Special thanks to everyone who introduced a friend or club to one of our games. It’s fantastic to see the community for each system growing and the fun and enjoyment the games bring. I hope, and feel, The Walking Dead will take us to a bigger and wider audience than ever, and many of those will then migrate to other Mantic games.

Wishing you all a very happy hobby 2017 and hope to see you online, or even better at an Open Day, event or show sometime next year for a chat or a game.

May your dice rolls be lucky,

Ronnie

 scarletsquig wrote:


Really think the 20-50 model count is the sweet spot, large enough to feel like a proper battle rather than a skirmish, but not massive enough to be too overwhelming to paint in the first place. I really like KoW, but 150+ models is a *lot* of work.

I agree, I hope that the upcoming KoW Skirmish game can scale up to hit that 20-50 model count as well as the 10-15 individual models itch.

Just built the Enforcer jet that caused 10 pages of angst and drama earlier.

I will grab pictures later but I am happy to say there is no seam.
In fact it is a really well designed kit with a minamal amount of parts and which took about 5 minutes to build.

Also Chard looks fine they managed to find the worst angle with the crapest camera to take the photo.

I will say that while chard is really well cast, I did get this giant chunk of flash which on close inspection turned out to be blaine.

Mantic Forum is down or is it just me?

SeanDrake wrote:
Just built the Enforcer jet that caused 10 pages of angst and drama earlier.

I will grab pictures later but I am happy to say there is no seam.
In fact it is a really well designed kit with a minamal amount of parts and which took about 5 minutes to build.

I'm sure someone will tell you you're still wrong

 lord_blackfang wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Just built the Enforcer jet that caused 10 pages of angst and drama earlier.

I will grab pictures later but I am happy to say there is no seam.
In fact it is a really well designed kit with a minamal amount of parts and which took about 5 minutes to build.

I'm sure someone will tell you you're still wrong

No doubt that certain someone will be along shortly

 kodos wrote:
Mantic Forum is down or is it just me?

Down for several, if not all, according to another thread in the Mantic secton here on dakka.

So Ronnie says they're going to stop using Kickstarter as a storefront and nobody zeroes in on that? That seems like pretty big news.. although he did say "might"...

I would if I really believed it

I can actually see it getting potential backers really angry if they did genuinely have only enough pledges to fund the project and then let it sit there for days or weeks with no chance for anybody else to back

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I would if I really believed it

I can actually see it getting potential backers really angry if they did genuinely have only enough pledges to fund the project and then let it sit there for days or weeks with no chance for anybody else to back

I think he was referring to not bringing in products from outside of the funding.. like.. no "terrain bundles" of all their previous offerings.. Didn't they have an instance where the jetbikes were offered on a kickstarter following the one that had just funded their production.. only the second time around they were offered at a deep discount?

 MLaw wrote:
So Ronnie says they're going to stop using Kickstarter as a storefront and nobody zeroes in on that? That seems like pretty big news.. although he did say "might"...

Heard that before, then they realise they need money and it's back to KS we go...

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Heard that before, then they realise they need money and it's back to KS we go...

Mantic can fund new metal and resin stuff any time they want, but if people want more hard plastic, KS is the only way it's going to happen.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Thanks Squig. I'm mildly interested at retail but I bailed on the KS due to being stung on shipping/customs and their uncertainty on Firefight.

One of those situations where I can't trust them on KS but wish I could support their HIPS production.

Based on the size and weight of the box of my pledge, I still feel like Mantic lost money on shipping.


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SeanDrake wrote:
Just built the Enforcer jet that caused 10 pages of angst and drama earlier.

I will grab pictures later but I am happy to say there is no seam.
In fact it is a really well designed kit with a minamal amount of parts and which took about 5 minutes to build.

I got 4 of them and I couldn't be happier. It is probably my favorite sci-fi dropship on the market (other than the laughable 40k ones) that isn't the Prodos Cheyenne Dropship (which is like 200 bucks or whatever)


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 Compel wrote:
I think Mantic are really very lucky they got that out before the board game hits retail.

Though I think Warpath will be badly hurt if 8th Edition 40k ends up not being terribad, especially if they leave it until April.

Gosh, what interesting times we live in. Warpath and Firefight is just straight up a better ruleset than any edition of 40k - but I don't think 40k has ever been accused of having a good ruleset, so it's not a difficult feat to pull off. However, if GW made Age of 40k, I would definitely start playing 40k again, as Age of Sigmar is fun as hell. But that means that Age of 40k wouldn't be competing with Warpath, at least not directly.

8th Edition being an 'Age of 40k' would probably be Mantic's ideal scenario.

Sure, yeah, 40k's never been good as a ruleset. But it's been 'good... enough' for a long time. The formation and giant deathbot focus has been losing players, along with the gigantic growth of tabletop as a hobby (with a big help from FFG and Wil Wheaton) has fractured the player base that 40k hasn't been 'good enough' for a while now.

Ultimately, 8th edition 40k doesn't need to be better than Warpath or Firefight, it just needs to reach that magical 'good enough' point that the inertia and effort of switching games may be too much. And that would be bad for mantic.

If plastic means more kickstarters then go nuts I say, it's a huge plus over near nonstarter metal. People morally opposed or whatever and folks outside of sane shipping range can wait for retail ... of awesome new plastics.

Capping ks once they reach a certain level sounds pretty ridiculous, someone will change that to a one week mini ks I'm sure.

Makes me wonder if Mantic know some of the GW release schedule and plan accordingly. The KoW v2 hit perfectly to soak up disillusioned exWFB fans. Are Mantic hoping Warpath does the same - providing GW drop the 40k ball.

On another note though, the sunken cost fallacy keeps 40k running regardless.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Makes me wonder if Mantic know some of the GW release schedule and plan accordingly. The KoW v2 hit perfectly to soak up disillusioned exWFB fans. Are Mantic hoping Warpath does the same - providing GW drop the 40k ball.

On another note though, the sunken cost fallacy keeps 40k running regardless.

If Mantic come out with a Warpath version of Uncharted Empires, I think that could help immensely.

If I could play Warpath with Necrons, Tau and AdMech, I would get the books and likely buy into their more unique stuff too.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Makes me wonder if Mantic know some of the GW release schedule and plan accordingly. The KoW v2 hit perfectly to soak up disillusioned exWFB fans. Are Mantic hoping Warpath does the same - providing GW drop the 40k ball.

On another note though, the sunken cost fallacy keeps 40k running regardless.

Wouldn't surprise me. Ronnie & Alessio & Rick & Jervis & Michael & Alan & Gav & Paul & John & Bryan all drink and play games together.

I'm glad to hear the drop ship turned out so well. Exciting times indeed.

Has anyone seen the Asterion hover tank in real life yet?

40k won't be good as long as it has TLOS, and I don't see that changing, Age of 40k or not Age of 40k.

Warpath Firefight has an amazing abstract LOS system that every squad based skirmish game from this point on should copy.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Makes me wonder if Mantic know some of the GW release schedule and plan accordingly. The KoW v2 hit perfectly to soak up disillusioned exWFB fans. Are Mantic hoping Warpath does the same - providing GW drop the 40k ball.

On another note though, the sunken cost fallacy keeps 40k running regardless.

Not only do I think this is true I beleive it runs the other way as well or the squatting of tomb kings the same month Mantic choose Empires of Dust as the first release from there uncjarted book was an amazing coincidence.

Yeah the biggest threat to GW is not there gakky rules or another gaming company, but there being a moment of revelation where suddenly everyone understood and got the sunk cost fallacy.

I had a go at making some firefight lists up based on one of my mates and his friends 40k armies.

Army One - 1000 points

Enforcers x5
Enforcers+ x5

Jetbikes x2

Assault Enforcers x4
Veteran Lieutenant x1
Thermal Mines

Strider
Polaris Cannon

Captain
Laser Pistol
Energy Gauntlet
Thermal Mines


GCPS Recruits x5
GCPS Recruits+ x4
Sergeant
Grenades and Mines

GCPS Marines x5
GCPS Marines+ x5
Autocannon


Army Two - 993 pts
Enforcers x5
Missile Launcher

Enforcers x4
Lieutenant x1

Assault Enforcers x5

Assault Enforcers x5
Breach and Eradicate

Assault Enforcers x5
Incinerator

Strider
Urban Assault Pattern

Captain
Laser Pistol
Energy Gauntlet



Army Three - 1000 Points
Marines x5
Marines+ x5
Autocannon

Marines x5
Marines+ x5
Autocannon


Veterans x4
Flamethrower
Flamethrower
Veteran Lieutenant x1

Mule Transport
Laser Cannon Upgrade

Lancer Battle Tank

General

Marines x5
Laser Cannon

 MLaw wrote:
So Ronnie says they're going to stop using Kickstarter as a storefront and nobody zeroes in on that? That seems like pretty big news.. although he did say "might"...

No he didn't say that... He said that they will be shifting more towards retail releases rather than launching everything through KS. That't not saying they won't run Kickstarters in future (I know that there's one planned for the KoW skirmish game to fund hard plastics), just that they will be running fewer and concentrating more on retail.

I mean it's good news, but I'd hate to see Dakka denizens going into meltdown in 6 months time because OMG MANTIC PROMISED ThEY WOULDNT RUN KICKSTARTERS ANYMORE!!!!! when Mantic said nothing of the sort...

 Daedleh wrote:

I mean it's good news, but I'd hate to see Dakka denizens going into meltdown in 6 months time because OMG MANTIC PROMISED ThEY WOULDNT RUN KICKSTARTERS ANYMORE!!!!! when Mantic said nothing of the sort...

It's OK, they'll find something else to go into meltdown about.

As will the rest of the World, all the time?

Moving on...

Got my stuff

Is the dwarf characters dog supposed to have 4 legs? Cant work out if mine is miscast or if it's supposed to have 3 legs and a stump