Erren wrote: Tony Cantrell on Thursday’s Twitch interview said they’d do those as they come out with Imperial Armour books for them. I don’t recall if he meant the generic single-faction hardbacks, or the campaign books. At any rate, yes they’re coming, but not soon.
You got a source on that? Not saying you're wrong I'm just curious.
I like it... hang on is he an apothocary or something?
his left knee pad.
would be cool if it was.
Red Scorpions old rules and fluff were that Apothecaries led squads instead of Sergeants. Culln’s first incarnation was a veteran Sergeant so it’d make sense if he were.
Am I the only one who sniggered a little at the scroll on his right knee? I mean I know they're going for a more accessible tone these days but even so just writing "WAR" in allcaps seems a bit on-the-nose
Yodhrin wrote: Am I the only one who sniggered a little at the scroll on his right knee? I mean I know they're going for a more accessible tone these days but even so just writing "WAR" in allcaps seems a bit on-the-nose
Haha! I did once you mentioned it, I hadn't spotted it before. Amusing.
Yodhrin wrote: Am I the only one who sniggered a little at the scroll on his right knee? I mean I know they're going for a more accessible tone these days but even so just writing "WAR" in allcaps seems a bit on-the-nose
Haha! I did once you mentioned it, I hadn't spotted it before. Amusing.
Verviedi wrote: Mmm.... Culln’s in Cyraxus... we’re getting closer...
Someone reset the clock!
I really like that Culln. I just wish they had left him alone. He doesn't need to be the only character that changes in the Red Scorpions. I wish this was a new character.
I wish FW would make some more characters for the codex armies. Give us an Iron Hands character, some Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists characters, some Black Templars, and some White Scars. At least they have made some Raven Guard and Salamanders characters.
Verviedi wrote: Mmm.... Culln’s in Cyraxus... we’re getting closer...
Nah bruv. We're getting this 'cause the mini's been done for ages and it's just sitting there doing nothing with a book that may never come out. Might as well release it.
Culln looks good but I'm having trouble deciphering what is painted on detail and what's sculpted? looks flat in places where I'd assume it was detail?
Erren wrote: Tony Cantrell on Thursday’s Twitch interview said they’d do those as they come out with Imperial Armour books for them. I don’t recall if he meant the generic single-faction hardbacks, or the campaign books. At any rate, yes they’re coming, but not soon.
You got a source on that? Not saying you're wrong I'm just curious.
I assume the source is the twitch interview, that must have been streamed on twitch give the name (assuming here myself, I've never used twitch)
I realise now that the release of The Anphelion Project which I purchased... i think a couple of weeks before 8th was announced was a practice run for their ability to publish softback books.
Silentz wrote: I realise now that the release of The Anphelion Project which I purchased... i think a couple of weeks before 8th was announced was a practice run for their ability to publish softback books.
Their softbacks have been out longer than that though, the year previous they were already selling it at Games Day EU in that format.
Verviedi wrote: Mmm.... Culln’s in Cyraxus... we’re getting closer...
Someone reset the clock!
I really like that Culln. I just wish they had left him alone. He doesn't need to be the only character that changes in the Red Scorpions. I wish this was a new character.
I wish FW would make some more characters for the codex armies. Give us an Iron Hands character, some Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists characters, some Black Templars, and some White Scars. At least they have made some Raven Guard and Salamanders characters.
I mean they DID give us Vaylund Cal. That's about as much as any of us Iron Hands players will get.
The gargantuan squiggoth was the most iconic
FW model from the ork range.
Someone could hope it will get a new mold and get back, but I would not hold my breath:
orks are not marines and if most of the FW range is now oop, not one
kit made it back to this day.
mortar_crew wrote: The gargantuan squiggoth was the most iconic
FW model from the ork range.
Someone could hope it will get a new mold and get back, but I would not hold my breath:
orks are not marines and if most of the FW range is now oop, not one
kit made it back to this day.
The Hornet went unavailable and came back recently.
The issue is that FW moulds do get worn down and have to be replaced; but its fitting them into a time and budget slot to be replaced - especially when some do start to show issues with assembly or lifespan of the mould and thus reworking gets put on the table as well.
mortar_crew wrote: The gargantuan squiggoth was the most iconic
FW model from the ork range.
Someone could hope it will get a new mold and get back, but I would not hold my breath:
orks are not marines and if most of the FW range is now oop, not one
kit made it back to this day.
The Hornet went unavailable and came back recently.
As did a load of DKoK, the Arvus Lighter, the Rogue Idol...
mortar_crew wrote: The gargantuan squiggoth was the most iconic
FW model from the ork range.
Someone could hope it will get a new mold and get back, but I would not hold my breath:
orks are not marines and if most of the FW range is now oop, not one
kit made it back to this day.
The less iconic Rogue Idol was rereleased, so I cannot imagine this model going away permanently.
I emailed Forge World to ask if the Squiggoth would be stomping back onto their site. I'll update when and if they reply. I really hope it does. It'd probably be one of the first models I'd get if I got the itch to do Orks.
Most things FW took out eventually came back either with a fresh mold so the new casts are not as flawed any more, or with a brand new model.
The only thing off the top of my head that really ever went away and was declared to never return, is the tau Orca, some tau gear, and some kroot models. (plus some drones who got lost for the same reason as the kroot)
The Orca couldn't sell, because it was huge and costed a ton, but in game isn't more than a big taxi, so even if I wanted to get one gamewise, I could not justify the $ tag.
The bits were just too specific. the varius hammerhead turrets were very niche, and mostly not that good.
And the kroot (and drones) didn't sell at all because as pretty as the models were, the rules were so god awful that they made 6th edition possessed and rubric look great.
BoomWolf wrote: The Orca couldn't sell, because it was huge and costed a ton, but in game isn't more than a big taxi, so even if I wanted to get one gamewise, I could not justify the $ tag.
While I agree that it wasn't worth the price tag, that too was Forgeworld's fault. They could have made its rules better than just a large bullet sponge with devilfish grade weapons in the first place or come out with a kit that upgraded them.. or simply dropped the points cost to where it would have been worth it as a bigger devilfish. I thought the kit itself was very cool especially with the seated guys and suits inside and even made up a small force for smaller 40k games back in 5th that was based off of only what could actually fit inside one. I had always hoped to eventually get one.
Just a footnote to remind folks that a lot of stuff on the FW page has gone unavailable then available again as they've been swapping over to boxes instead of the godawful bags they used to send stuff out in. Unavailable doesn't always mean gone for good.
Some stuff, on the other hand, has, like my beloved Ork Kill Krusha, gone for good... due to a mixture of complex molds and or low sales. (fun trivia moment, I was told the Anphelion base molds tore after every 2-4 casts making replacement insane).
Minor note but Sons of Horus MKII shoulder pads have vanished from site. Not only they aren\t visible where shoulder pads are link from my previous order goes to "details have been expunged" page.
Humhum. Hopefully they come back. My favourite mark so if I would be buying assault marines for SoH they def would be MKII. Well MKIII is decent backup probably if worst come.
So just a quick update. I got a reply from Forge World and they have assured me that the Squiggoth will return and the molds are just being retooled. They aren't sure when it will be back, but it will be back.
I quite like the look of them, but a 15 pound upgrade set for 6 models which will cost you an extra 30 pounds, so 45 pounds for 6 models that you have to convert yourself (clipping off heads and whatnot) is not really terribly appealing.
There wasn't enough variety in the Gundabad range, but this doesn't seem like a terribly appealing method for fixing it.
Darth Bob wrote: So just a quick update. I got a reply from Forge World and they have assured me that the Squiggoth will return and the molds are just being retooled. They aren't sure when it will be back, but it will be back.
Thanks for the input!
That's good to hear, I will wait for it then.
Now if only they could release the datasheets they promised
months ago for the missing models...
Darth Bob wrote: So just a quick update. I got a reply from Forge World and they have assured me that the Squiggoth will return and the molds are just being retooled. They aren't sure when it will be back, but it will be back.
So the stock response. I was getting the same reply when asking about Corsaire upgrade sets, until they complete removed them from the webstore.
When something IS going away, they say so.
Examples are the orca, kroot units, some if the tau turret variations, etc.
Tau had quite a few things "gone forever"
I suspect that its not that they lie but that things change over time and since they have limited resources some things slip through the net for so long that retooling and putting into production becomes too big a cost - esp for legacy things that might well be showing their age next to more modern offerings.
Esp if the item itself didn't sell all that heavily when it was in production and likely also if they dont' get many emails asking about when it will be on sale again. Continued product interest will drive things - I've heard tell that the email notification on the GW side of the website for out-of-stock items does influence them on when things get cast up in the production cycle.
Ergo if they get a lot of people after a certain item they will push it up the line to get those castings done sooner.
Yep. The only reason FW has taken on LotR the way they did is because of the incredibly loyal community. The guy running LotR, Adam Troke, came straight from that community. They will buy anything FW puts out religiously.
Mymearan wrote: Yep. The only reason FW has taken on LotR the way they did is because of the incredibly loyal community. The guy running LotR, Adam Troke, came straight from that community. They will buy anything FW puts out religiously.
There's no need to be quite so condescending to people who want to support their hobby, you know?
That wasn’t actually supposed to be condescending. LotR fans are super committed to supporting their hobby like you say. It’s commendable and they’re a very friendly community.
Mymearan wrote: That wasn’t actually supposed to be condescending. LotR fans are super committed to supporting their hobby like you say. It’s commendable and they’re a very friendly community.
My apologies then. It just gets tiresome when a game doesn't have 40k's popularity you find yourself having to constantly defend it. The Facebook page for Forge World is just plain aggrevating when something LotR dares take a release spot from something 40k or heresy related.
I think it hits the nail on the head actually. It certainly accurately describes me.
The SBG community and customer base might be small relative to Warhammer, but its as dedicated, consistent and long-lasting as the Bloodbowl community. And GW needs to diversify and not have all its eggs in the Warhammer basket.
Warhammer Community article on the 7th Ed update thing for Heresy.
Goodbye Invisibility, hello Mind Howl.
Wow, I really like that change! Rather than a psychic power that lets you run a crazy, nigh-invulnerable deathstar... it's a power that can basically negate an opponent's deathstar.
I'd been hesitant about playing 7th ed, but maybe I'll pick up this rulebook after all...
Mymearan wrote: That wasn’t actually supposed to be condescending. LotR fans are super committed to supporting their hobby like you say. It’s commendable and they’re a very friendly community.
LotR fans are a spectrum. I consider myself a LotR fan, I like these models, I'm not going to buy them because the pricing on finecast LotR stuff is insane IMO.
Darth Bob wrote: So just a quick update. I got a reply from Forge World and they have assured me that the Squiggoth will return and the molds are just being retooled. They aren't sure when it will be back, but it will be back.
So the stock response. I was getting the same reply when asking about Corsaire upgrade sets, until they complete removed them from the webstore.
I don't think it's a stock response, several times I've asked FW about stock and so far they've been honest with me regarding both things that will be coming back and things that won't be coming back.
Mymearan wrote: That wasn’t actually supposed to be condescending. LotR fans are super committed to supporting their hobby like you say. It’s commendable and they’re a very friendly community.
My apologies then. It just gets tiresome when a game doesn't have 40k's popularity you find yourself having to constantly defend it. The Facebook page for Forge World is just plain aggrevating when something LotR dares take a release spot from something 40k or heresy related.
Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.
Warhammer Community article on the 7th Ed update thing for Heresy.
Goodbye Invisibility, hello Mind Howl.
Wow, I really like that change! Rather than a psychic power that lets you run a crazy, nigh-invulnerable deathstar... it's a power that can basically negate an opponent's deathstar.
I'd been hesitant about playing 7th ed, but maybe I'll pick up this rulebook after all...
Warhammer Community article on the 7th Ed update thing for Heresy.
Goodbye Invisibility, hello Mind Howl.
Wow, I really like that change! Rather than a psychic power that lets you run a crazy, nigh-invulnerable deathstar... it's a power that can basically negate an opponent's deathstar.
I'd been hesitant about playing 7th ed, but maybe I'll pick up this rulebook after all...
alleus wrote: Perfect! I've been looking forward to this. Hopefully they will release a digital version as well.
Unfortunately, the digital version will be in that damnable epub format.
Speaking of which - what viewer do you download to make the thing actually work?
When you have the answer to that, let me know.
The last time I tried was with that Death from the Skies supplement, and I couldn't get it to display nicely on a Kindle Fire (it showed up on one quarter of the screen and I couldn't zoom in), and while I got it to display on my PC, it didn't format quite right and I still couldn't zoom. And I think GW incorporates some DRM or something because the software I tried to convert it to PDF locked up every time.
alleus wrote: Perfect! I've been looking forward to this. Hopefully they will release a digital version as well.
Unfortunately, the digital version will be in that damnable epub format.
Speaking of which - what viewer do you download to make the thing actually work?
When you have the answer to that, let me know.
The last time I tried was with that Death from the Skies supplement, and I couldn't get it to display nicely on a Kindle Fire (it showed up on one quarter of the screen and I couldn't zoom in), and while I got it to display on my PC, it didn't format quite right and I still couldn't zoom. And I think GW incorporates some DRM or something because the software I tried to convert it to PDF locked up every time.
The only reader that works every time on a fire is "Kobi" and you will have to download It as 3rd party. 99% of the time on other Android devices Play Books works.
I spent days trying to get something on Fire that worked and nearly gave up but got there in the end. It could be worse and still be only Apple devices.only bleh.
BrookM wrote: Doors were released a few weeks ago but were met with the usual complaints of it not being *insert product here*
Pretty much. Which is sad, because the doors look really good.
Yeah, but they're not *insert product here*
Or they are so minor release they don't really spark long conversation. No new units or anything. Just doors. I'll be getting them later but hardly going to speak about those.
A post on B&C claimed that the Astraeus would be coming in at 220 GBP and (curiously) $363 USD, a whole $70 more than the exchange rate dictates.
Unless these are rumored event prices for some upcoming event FW will be at then I find the cited USD pricing curious as it is not only wrong but also FW seems to only deal in GBP.
The odd listing of USD pricing leads me to think this isn't legit but has anyone else heard any rumblings of pricing that aligns with either of these?
SonicPara wrote: A post on B&C claimed that the Astraeus would be coming in at 220 GBP and (curiously) $363 USD, a whole $70 more than the exchange rate dictates.
Unless these are rumored event prices for some upcoming event FW will be at then I find the cited USD pricing curious as it is not only wrong but also FW seems to only deal in GBP.
The odd listing of USD pricing leads me to think this isn't legit but has anyone else heard any rumblings of pricing that aligns with either of these?
Oh wow okay. What is the deal with the USD pricing then? When this is on the website for 220 GBP then it will only be about $291 USD when the payment is converted at the bank/paypal level.
I also take it this means it is going up within the month?
The usd prices are what they use at shows that are state side like Adepticon. It is almost never worth getting due to the inflated conversion rates, especially if you can hit free shipping at the 250gbp point.
whalemusic360 wrote: The usd prices are what they use at shows that are state side like Adepticon. It is almost never worth getting due to the inflated conversion rates, especially if you can hit free shipping at the 250gbp point.
This. This is nothing new, FW have been doing this for years. Their catalog prices are always set on a principle of "make 200% sure that no matter what the exchange rate does between when we print the catalog and when the customer places an order we will make a profit", and it's never worth buying in anything but GBP.
Also, getting a catalog early is not new, it's happened in the past. It's probably legitimate.
whalemusic360 wrote: The usd prices are what they use at shows that are state side like Adepticon. It is almost never worth getting due to the inflated conversion rates, especially if you can hit free shipping at the 250gbp point.
This. This is nothing new, FW have been doing this for years. Their catalog prices are always set on a principle of "make 200% sure that no matter what the exchange rate does between when we print the catalog and when the customer places an order we will make a profit", and it's never worth buying in anything but GBP.
Also, getting a catalog early is not new, it's happened in the past. It's probably legitimate.
FW has been set at the 1.65 USD to the pound in the catalogue for years now.
Did anyone notice the prices go up a bit? Ultramarines Praetorian Torsos went from 11 quid to 12. Looking at it, almost everything went up .5 - 2 quid.
Crazyterran wrote: Did anyone notice the prices go up a bit? Ultramarines Praetorian Torsos went from 11 quid to 12. Looking at it, almost everything went up .5 - 2 quid.
Even more. Brass Scorpion is now 160 (was 155), Questoris Knights are 125 (was 120), Warhound Titan weapons are 43 (used to be 40)... Hey, at least Warlord Titan stayed at 1250. I just opened my order history and Cerastus Knight - Atrapos went from 175 to 185 in a period of almost 3 years.
We know that you were expecting to be able to pre-order the Horus Heresy Age of Darkness Rulebook, but we’re afraid you’ll have to wait a little longer before you can order your copy. As your constant companion in your Legion’s battles in the 31st Millennium, it’s important that the Horus Heresy rulebook is as good as it can possibly be. Following a print quality check, the decision has been made to delay the rulebook in order to make sure it meets the exacting standards you expect from all Forge World products. We know you’re eager to get battling in the Age of Darkness, and you can rest assured that the team at Forge World are working as hard as they can to get the rulebook ready as soon as possible, and it will have all the great content we promised it would.
Looky Likey wrote: FW doing quality checks on rulebooks? Wow, it really is a new GW.
Perhaps it required fewer errata than the 8E indexes, so they had to add in more mistakes to meet the usual standards we expect from Forge World products
Weird thing though if they made announcement for them to be on pre-order this week either the pre-order date was going to be longer than week or they print those in-house. Def not China print as it wouldn't get in time for sales in even few weeks.
So if it's China print either they had books IN hand already so now ordered new prints or the pre-order was "delivery on february 2018" or similar.
It is possible the rulebook is still printed in China, but the size of the print run small enough to ship it to the UK by air. So it could still be released soon.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: I welcome this awareness. Hopefully it will be more their usual level of errors and issues and not on par with the mess that was Inferno.
Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: I welcome this awareness. Hopefully it will be more their usual level of errors and issues and not on par with the mess that was Inferno.
Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
Yea, it is a refined 7th Edition. Which makes the Horus Heresy ostensibly a specialist game now, since it deviated from the core rules. I think it gives FW a bit more freedom to be more true to the setting.
Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.
The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.
Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,
Verviedi wrote: Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.
The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.
Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,
Well they have been working on this book for quite a while. Likely lot longer than indexes by order of multiples after being surprised by 8th...Not to mention it's their biggest cash cow so yeah they likely care more about that than 40k.
Verviedi wrote: Oh, interesting. Forgeworld delayed a book. In other news, Virginia has deer, and water is wet.
The interesting thing here is the fact that it failed a QA check. What in god’s name did they find in it? If they didn’t stop to wonder what they were doing when they released their indices for 8th, and stopped for this one, I genuinely fear what’s going on.
Unless they want higher quality writing about Space Marines fighting Space Marines and pulped the whole run because they misspelled Guilliman’s name,
Probably found another bunch of tourists wandering Prospero
If it's a printing issue with the qulity of say images and the text itself, one could argue that they should atleast release the digital version. However, if there was something written wrong, like incorrect stats or some other rule issue, then everything needs to be fixed.
Maybe they don't want to release the digital version if they can't release the physical version at the same time though. Shame if that's the case.
str00dles1 wrote: Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.
I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.
str00dles1 wrote: Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.
I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.
I assume it won’t be sold in the rebranded Warhammer stores?
I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.
kronk wrote: Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.
Loopstah wrote: Clearly they felt it was worth proof-reading a rulebook all about Space Marines fighting Space Marines, unlike the AM and Xenos Index books.
So, so true...
For the record, we are still waiting for the missing datasheets they promised to release
months ago...
str00dles1 wrote: Well, FW does a pretty piss poor job at supporting it. Just releasing models doesn't count. Perhaps one day they will plan to expand into LOTR and bring it back to how it was and this is just to keep the license going under FW/GW. I loved War of the Ring and the Skirmish LOTR that came after, but all those pieces are like Gold as they are Webstore exclusives and cost as much if not more to have a force then a 40k army is. At least with 40k you can still get 30% off. I hope it surges back one day, I really do, but til then, its just pictures of pretty models.
I've got good news for you, then! The newly redesigned Battle Companies (the "LOTR skirmish" you mentioned) comes out next month in hardcover, and LOTR/Hobbit gets officially relaunched (and rebranded) next year as Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. Additionally, GW has been re-releasing out of production models, and lowering the prices on models that were too expensive. The Middle-Earth team at GW - the team dedicated solely to the LOTR/Hobbit license, releases, models, etc, also expanded recently.
I assume it won’t be sold in the rebranded Warhammer stores?
I honestly couldn't tell you. The entire range moved to white-box direct order only as the "Lord of the Rings" and "Hobbit" branded packaging ran out, so one could speculate that new retail boxes with the new Middle Earth branding will be launched alongside the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game next year. The LOTR/Hobbit range still has dozens of plastic kits and two of the best plastic terrain kits GW has ever made, so we'll see!
gorgon wrote: I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.
kronk wrote: Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.
In other words, we're exactly where we were before the temporary spike in interest driven by the 30K plastics and accompanying boxed games. The reality is 30K was never going to get to a place where most people have strong, thriving local 30K communities unless it became a "proper GW" game system with an ongoing schedule of plastics releases which we now know isn't going to happen. All FW sticking with 7th has done is make that fact obvious by showing that most "30K communities" were a couple of folk in some gaming groups/shops who occasionally played each other but mostly just played 40K with 30K army lists and models.
It's a niche system and always will be unless it gets the aforementioned full-GW treatment, preorganised games/campaigns and big event games are its natural habitat, and I'll take FW's occasionally shonky rules-writing for a niche system over the slick all-plastic version you'd get from the main studio with GW-style fluff abominations any day of the week.
I went to the 30k doubles @ Warhammer World this weekend, it was a long way short from selling out, whereas the 40k doubles the same month @ Warhammer World is sold out already. I'm sure the last time I did the 30k doubles HH it was sold out?
I'm hoping they sort phosphex and shatter shells out as they have sorted invisibility. Get those three nerfed and I know from speaking to enough people at this weekend alone that the fun level of games against a power list in 30k will improve enormously.
Look good but think all frost axes and combi bolters is a bit meh. They have a bit of unit selection in their options which would have been nice to get a variation for.
Anyone else a bit meh on the HH now? I'd have killed for SWHH termies 5 years ago back when I was buying and reading the books but now... not so much (exacerbated by my opinion that the models aren't particularly eye catching either). GW/BL/FW drawing out the admittedly seminal event in 40k history for a real world decade has soured my enthusiasm for new models from it.
Mymearan wrote: That wasn’t actually supposed to be condescending. LotR fans are super committed to supporting their hobby like you say. It’s commendable and they’re a very friendly community.
LotR fans are a spectrum. I consider myself a LotR fan, I like these models, I'm not going to buy them because the pricing on finecast LotR stuff is insane IMO.
I fully agree with this man's points here.
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warboss wrote: Anyone else a bit meh on the HH now? I'd have killed for SWHH termies 5 years ago back when I was buying and reading the books but now... not so much (exacerbated by my opinion that the models aren't particularly eye catching either). GW/BL/FW drawing out the admittedly seminal event in 40k history for a real world decade has soured my enthusiasm for new models from it.
I see it more as a painting and modelling pick'n'mix selection for 40k - with the 8th edition caveat that some models will have to be used as proxies for other things, and others are more of a painting project because they may never release rules for them...
Peregrine wrote: Oh nice, it's back too. Too bad it doesn't seem to have the old drop-down drone rack, that was a really nice feature.
Wasn't that the AX-2-2 that carried the Remoras? I liked that concept and model.
The AX-2-2 had Remoras, but only had a model in Aeronautica Imperialis. The drone racks were on the regular Tigershark, and still are rules-wise. The old model just had a neat little drop-down drone bay to hold them, while the new one seems to have simplified that feature away. Pic:
That sucks. One of the coolest features of the old 2000ish FW Tau models was the included embarked units. Obviously cutting that part out means they have to mould less resin and not include additional plastic sprues for additional savings on both material and labor.
I never liked the original Tigershark anyways. I was always preferential to the 1.0 which I am now a proud owner with the new one. The old Tigershark models in general didn't look too great. These new ones are much better and sexier. This makes it my second "titan" scale unit from FW. Also Canadian weather is being extra bad this year so all my modelling projections not involving painting are on hold. :( I hope to be able to get at least one Barracuda done before winter set in but it came early here.
I'll cheerfully buy Heresy for the next three-four decades. Longer hopefully.
The Varangyr don't have a ton of options, plus we don't know yet if there are other options included. Recently some kits have contained options for pose or loadout.
For their role , background wise, the default loadout is pretty much spot on. Russ doesn't sit back shooting when he goes to war, his bodyguard likewise. If you want a more specialised unit then another type of unit is probably more suited to that. In 40k, well presumably they all die during the Heresy or left with Russ, so until the fluff changes no point in them having special rules for 40k.
gorgon wrote: I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.
kronk wrote: Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.
I won't be getting into 30k until the rules are updated to 8th.
(even tho I reallyreally wanna play Vulkan & the rest of the 18th in the heresy)
hobojebus wrote: That's the most pointless loadout you could take I'd of preferred they come without arms.
Looks like Ill stick with the plastics.
*I'd have. "Of" is never an acceptable substitute for "have."
Fighting for proper grammar on the internet is a losing battle at best.
On topic, It may be the paint job, but I am not really excited about any of those new models. The tank is a mess of design elements that don't fit the Marine aesthetic properly, Culln feels slightly over-decorated, and the details on the beastman again feel slightly overdone. The Scorpions diorama troops feel more like they fit the Astartes range, but I think that they are not as well executed as the Honor Guard that comes with Severin Loth.
The new Tau aircraft I think are an improvement over the old versions (though the old ones are quite nice too) but it feels like the Astartes ranges has been slightly "off" since around when the Stormbird and Mastadon came along.
Am I the only one who finds it incredibly irritating that the barrel on the bolt pistol is not drilled out? Cmon FW... that's like... mini assembly 101.
Maybe I'm just a stickler for the detail.
Anyway. At the risk of being in the minority camp, I like that tank.
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: Am I the only one who finds it incredibly irritating that the barrel on the bolt pistol is not drilled out? Cmon FW... that's like... mini assembly 101.
Maybe I'm just a stickler for the detail.
Anyway. At the risk of being in the minority camp, I like that tank.
All I can hope for is, that with these models and a slight move towards the Red Scorpions, we’ll be getting FW rules updates soon as potentially things like stratagems and traits for forgeworld armies. As I said, I can but hope…
As for the new Dread – I’m going to reserve my judgement until I learn more about it. A chapter master leviathan dread seems pretty cool… But totally pointless? I’d expect he’d HAVE to be more points than a standard Leviathan due to chapter master buffs, but, it just means he is going to die first turn, every single game, due to him being targetable… Sure, it’ll take some firepower to do so, but it’s going to happen. Though to be fair, I’m not sure if it’d be classed as “too much of a threat” as it has a twin assault cannon for a main weapon…… It’ll all be about shutting down buffs.
In regards to the SW termies – I’m on a downer in regards to HH right now. Half my 1ksons army is still unbuilt from just before book 7 came out (which didn’t help), but the main problem is 40k 8th edition. With 8th I’m finding I’d much rather put my attention there, than with then also making sure I pick-up the new 7th rulebook and re-learn another set of rules – that, and like others said, it’s becoming more like an event “narrative” game, and these events tend to happen alongside 40k events so I’m pulled more to the 40k event instead.
The new tank looks interesting, but again, I’ll reserve judgement until I can see it in person and checkout what it can do and what it costs. It looks massive, but it’ll be a huge investment and I’d rather assess it first before buying it and finding it’s either completely broken OP or just another big target there to die while costing 1/3rd of your army.
Not really getting the feeling behind necromunda either tbh… Sure, apparently beastmen use to be a thing in 40k a long time ago, but, it just feels like a forced attempt at moving more fantasy models across into the 40k setting. The two have always been separate to be, and from a personal point of view, I’d like it to stay that way. I’ve also heard mixed reviews come from places that have done pre-release game days on it. I kind of get the impression it’s just like another version of Shadow War and likely to be just as unbalanced.
gorgon wrote: I love the creative work the FW studio does. I'm a fan. But I also can't stick my head in the sand and say it's a good thing that they're managing the core rules for HH now, given their the continuing errors and issues with their publications.
kronk wrote: Agreed. Still disappointed that they are sticking with what I guess is a modified 7th edition?
Ah, well. The HH guys at AdeptiCon are why I keep playing and building HH. They are fun to play with, regardless of the edition or rules. I guess I'll buy it when it comes back.
I feel like 30K is rapidly becoming a game primarily played at big events and gatherings. Many people don't have strong, thriving local 30K communities, especially after the decision to stick with 7th.
I won't be getting into 30k until the rules are updated to 8th.
(even tho I reallyreally wanna play Vulkan & the rest of the 18th in the heresy)
I'm going to be using my 30K WE for 40K. I have to add some things, and can't use others. But with the indices a lot of my minis are usable, and my future FW purchases will be guided by what can be used in both systems.
You should probably check out the 8th edition 30K fan project. Those guys are doing a nice job with it.
I don't think Culln will still be the Chapter master- generally being Dreadnoughted removes the Marines previous rank and relegates them to advisor, except maybe for Iron Hands.
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a good example- he was once the Space Wolves Chapter master until he got stuck in a Dreadnought.
Dunno who will be the new Chapter master of the Red Scorpions though.
Haighus wrote: I don't think Culln will still be the Chapter master- generally being Dreadnoughted removes the Marines previous rank and relegates them to advisor, except maybe for Iron Hands.
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a good example- he was once the Space Wolves Chapter master until he got stuck in a Dreadnought.
Dunno who will be the new Chapter master of the Red Scorpions though.
Think they said it was that guy with the Combi Flamer Pistol thing.
Man, does anyone else have an issue with the Primaris Super Heavy? I'm not looking for a well designed tank or anything, but man...I just can't like that thing.
Haighus wrote: I don't think Culln will still be the Chapter master- generally being Dreadnoughted removes the Marines previous rank and relegates them to advisor, except maybe for Iron Hands.
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a good example- he was once the Space Wolves Chapter master until he got stuck in a Dreadnought.
Dunno who will be the new Chapter master of the Red Scorpions though.
Think they said it was that guy with the Combi Flamer Pistol thing.
He’s got the same sword as Cullen, so guessing that’s right.
Frankenberry wrote: Man, does anyone else have an issue with the Primaris Super Heavy? I'm not looking for a well designed tank or anything, but man...I just can't like that thing.
It’s not just you. Personally, I think it’s horrible.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I like the giant tank, but I wish in the game it had a transport capacity.
Likewise. I would be all over it if it had a transport capacity. Otherwise, I think they could have made it much smaller. That entire back section could be half the size.
The tank screams HALO to me...and that's a terrible thing (one of the most derivative, unimaginative and bland IPs in existence).
Regarding the barrels being drilled on the bolt pistols - these are promo pics and they won't modify the model as they sell it for that purpose. Last thing they need is someone griping that the model they received didn't have a drilled out bolt pistol barrel, etc.
The advertised product should generally be 100% what you get in the package. Basic marketing junk.
Elbows wrote: The tank screams HALO to me...and that's a terrible thing (one of the most derivative, unimaginative and bland IPs in existence).
Regarding the barrels being drilled on the bolt pistols - these are promo pics and they won't modify the model as they sell it for that purpose. Last thing they need is someone griping that the model they received didn't have a drilled out bolt pistol barrel, etc.
The advertised product should generally be 100% what you get in the package. Basic marketing junk.
Then we come into issue why NOT drilled barrel? Plastic it's understandable due to limits of technology. Resin less so.
Elbows wrote: The tank screams HALO to me...and that's a terrible thing (one of the most derivative, unimaginative and bland IPs in existence).
Regarding the barrels being drilled on the bolt pistols - these are promo pics and they won't modify the model as they sell it for that purpose. Last thing they need is someone griping that the model they received didn't have a drilled out bolt pistol barrel, etc.
The advertised product should generally be 100% what you get in the package. Basic marketing junk.
Then we come into issue why NOT drilled barrel? Plastic it's understandable due to limits of technology. Resin less so.
Haighus wrote: I don't think Culln will still be the Chapter master- generally being Dreadnoughted removes the Marines previous rank and relegates them to advisor, except maybe for Iron Hands.
Bjorn the Fell-handed is a good example- he was once the Space Wolves Chapter master until he got stuck in a Dreadnought.
Dunno who will be the new Chapter master of the Red Scorpions though.
Dreadnought-interred Space Marines tend to spend a lot of time inactive and "asleep". Not what you want in a Chapter Master.
Do like the grav tank. Especially like the background to it as well and how they're trying to get it made on Forgeworld's distant from Mars. Future schism alert!
Don’t forget, this is Forgeworld, they’ve got a level of freedom the main design studio doesn’t.
Lost and the Damned and the Cult armies for Heresy could both benefit from having abhuman models available. If Gor sells well, they’ve got a proof of concept, at least for Beastmen.
And given the current state of The Imperium, I can see them being a little more relaxed about the shape of those mercilessly lobbed into the meat grinder.
Exciting, Rogue Trader scented times may well lie ahead. Spesh if those as excited as I am start pestering FW!
Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.
So, just so I'm seeing this correctly - the Astraeus is a 24 wound Toughness 8 vehicle with a 2+ invulnerable shield which also works against Mortal Wounds?
Kanluwen wrote: It looks like FW might have unintentionally created the Alaitoc flyer killer in that Astraeus.
Twin Macro-Accelerator Cannon:
When targeting units with the Fly keyword, this weapon ignores abilities which negatively modify its hit rolls.
Really expensive and possibly cheesy way to shut down the Alaitoc Flyer nonsense, but...man would it be funny to do one time.
That's about only thing I think it is worth it for though.. for the points it costs I think 2x Repulsors is just overall better than the Astraeus and you'll probably still have some points left. Only thing it seems really good at is ripping flyers from the sky with it's Dakka cannons, but outside of that, gimme two Repulsors any day.
Elbows wrote: So, just so I'm seeing this correctly - the Astraeus is a 24 wound Toughness 8 vehicle with a 2+ invulnerable shield which also works against Mortal Wounds?
Yeah. Pass.
It's only a 5+ Invulnerable that works on MWs? Look at the Degradation chart, it lists the Void Shield save value there. It's just a 2+ regular armour save, that's not the void shield save.
Ahhhh, okay, I couldn't find where the save was for the Void Shield...that's much better. I was looking all over - never glanced at the degradation chart. Is that where Titans have void shields located too?
(wipes brow) At least now I can volunteer to play against one.
A REALLY big anti-air dakka platform, as I do not see why you would take it over 2x Repulsors which bring more tank hunter power imo if you go Las-Talon and T/L Lascannon route. I also don't know why anyone would take the Plasma Eradicators over Las-Rippers.. those are just so bad even if they have 36" range over the Las-Rippers 24".
The Astraeus is an abysmal disappointment, and I actually like the model!
Against T8 3+ save vehicles, the full las build gets you between 9 and 15.5 damage for 738 points. A Shadowsword (which is popular enough that it SHOULD inform design) is averaging between 14-21 damage to the Astraeus with only the Volcano cannon and for 260 points less. These numbers are after all dice have been rolled.
The most favorable engagement I can see for this thing is to shoot a flyer with the big gun and a T7 tank with the las weapons. In such a situation the big gun should dish out about 12 damage to drop any light flyer and the array of las weapons should average about 6 or 7 damage to drop a T7 vehicle to half health. If we are talking a Stormtalon/hawk and a Predator I don't think that is enough damage to warrant the immense points cost.
Imateria wrote: Did anybody else Lol at the 7+ needed for the Voidshield save when at 5 wounds or less?
Did anyone else lol at the poxwalkers having a 7+ armour save?
tneva82 wrote: Just their way of saying voids are out(and future proofing if ever there is positive modifier maybe)
Thee already are several; the layered voids are explicitly a special kind of armour save, not an invulnerable save or a FNP type roll, so they would seem to benefit from cover bonuses and suchlike.
Void sheilds are huge disapointment. Realistically - FNP would have been better lol. Really sad that a 10 point spirit stone is actually more effective than a void sheild because it can be taken in addition to a save. Real sad coming out of forge world. This would have been my first forge world purchase but the rules on this just aren't good enough to warrant buying - 4 preditors or 2 repulsors would be much more effective than this POS.
Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time. There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them. I'd take a Falchion over it any day.
DaemonJellybaby wrote: Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time.
There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them.
I'd take a Falchion over it any day.
Imateria wrote: Did anybody else Lol at the 7+ needed for the Voidshield save when at 5 wounds or less?
Did anyone else lol at the poxwalkers having a 7+ armour save?
tneva82 wrote: Just their way of saying voids are out(and future proofing if ever there is positive modifier maybe)
Thee already are several; the layered voids are explicitly a special kind of armour save, not an invulnerable save or a FNP type roll, so they would seem to benefit from cover bonuses and suchlike.
I would be very surprised if Void Shields gained the benefit of Cover. Not that it matters too much, thats a rather huge model to fit wholly inside terrain and obscure 50% of.
DaemonJellybaby wrote: Well thats the ugliest tank to come out of FW for quite some time.
There are a lot of big tanks in its (points and ££) cost bracket and it looks like the Astraeus would get torn apart by almost all them.
I'd take a Falchion over it any day.
Zingraff wrote: Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.
He'd be cool to have in a retinue, but the Inquisition rules for 8th are beyond garbage, and probably the worst of any faction in the game. Most Inquisitor loadouts can't even be legally played anymore. You could take Gor as an Acolyte with a pistol and chainsword, and that's about it. But you'll have a very hard time justifying the use of that on the table.
Zingraff wrote: Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.
He'd be cool to have in a retinue, but the Inquisition rules for 8th are beyond garbage, and probably the worst of any faction in the game. Most Inquisitor loadouts can't even be legally played anymore. You could take Gor as an Acolyte with a pistol and chainsword, and that's about it. But you'll have a very hard time justifying the use of that on the table.
Yeah, the tl;Dr of it is acolytes are WAY over costed for what they do, and inquisitors don't reealy do anything for your army other imperial factions didn't do better anyway
In theory inquisators SHOULD be perfect HQ's for imperial soup armies to rbing everything together. But they kinda fail to deliver that. They almost need a top down rewrite to make their place in imperial soup armies more clear.
Zingraff wrote: Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.
He'd be cool to have in a retinue, but the Inquisition rules for 8th are beyond garbage, and probably the worst of any faction in the game. Most Inquisitor loadouts can't even be legally played anymore. You could take Gor as an Acolyte with a pistol and chainsword, and that's about it. But you'll have a very hard time justifying the use of that on the table.
Yeah, the tl;Dr of it is acolytes are WAY over costed for what they do, and inquisitors don't reealy do anything for your army other imperial factions didn't do better anyway
In theory inquisators SHOULD be perfect HQ's for imperial soup armies to rbing everything together. But they kinda fail to deliver that. They almost need a top down rewrite to make their place in imperial soup armies more clear.
Give them: BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE IMMORTAL EMPEROR’S INQUISITION: If the Inquisitor is your Warlord, any IMPERIUM unit with a faction variable (<CHAPTER>, <REGIMENT> or similar) automatically replaces it with INQUISITION instead of any of the options normally allowed.
Allows the Inquisitor to order anyone around but also allows for space marine Captains to inspire guardsmen to be better shots, and guard Officers to order space marines to be better shots, and similar interesting interactions, while softly locking out the divergent chapters and named characters.
Zingraff wrote: Gor might be cool to have in an inquisitor's retinue. Anyone has any idea on how to use the model that way? I haven't yet had a chance to look at the current 8th edition rules for inquisitors.
He'd be cool to have in a retinue, but the Inquisition rules for 8th are beyond garbage, and probably the worst of any faction in the game. Most Inquisitor loadouts can't even be legally played anymore. You could take Gor as an Acolyte with a pistol and chainsword, and that's about it. But you'll have a very hard time justifying the use of that on the table.
Yeah, the tl;Dr of it is acolytes are WAY over costed for what they do, and inquisitors don't reealy do anything for your army other imperial factions didn't do better anyway
In theory inquisators SHOULD be perfect HQ's for imperial soup armies to rbing everything together. But they kinda fail to deliver that. They almost need a top down rewrite to make their place in imperial soup armies more clear.
Give them: BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE IMMORTAL EMPEROR’S INQUISITION: If the Inquisitor is your Warlord, any IMPERIUM unit with a faction variable (<CHAPTER>, <REGIMENT> or similar) automatically replaces it with INQUISITION instead of any of the options normally allowed.
Allows the Inquisitor to order anyone around but also allows for space marine Captains to inspire guardsmen to be better shots, and guard Officers to order space marines to be better shots, and similar interesting interactions, while softly locking out the divergent chapters and named characters.
Well, I guess my old Marine army is worthless. It was pretty much based around an inquisitor.
In other news, I noticed this in this month's WD:
We're working on rules for Hired Guns, Hangers-on, Bounty Hunters and Hive Scum.
There was also a bit about them having plans for more than 3 times as many additional models than there were in the original Necromunda. Do you guys think they'll be FW, like Gor, or GW?
It’s a Specialist Game so Forge World only, unless they want to give up one of their quarterly allocation of sprue frames to make them instead of a gang kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yet somehow not enough room to swing a cat transport any Marines.
When you need all the guns but not the grunts.
All repulsive plates, without any ot the transport capacity! Astraeus super heavy tank, for only 200 prayers to the Ommnisiah.
How does the same team that writes the rules for the Falchion also write the rules for this thing? It's so bad on a rules level, do they have absolutely 0 conversation about anything they write?
Kirasu wrote: How does the same team that writes the rules for the Falchion also write the rules for this thing? It's so bad on a rules level, do they have absolutely 0 conversation about anything they write?
Did you see the Forgeworld indexes? Their rules team is an utter mess.
Kirasu wrote: How does the same team that writes the rules for the Falchion also write the rules for this thing? It's so bad on a rules level, do they have absolutely 0 conversation about anything they write?
You're talking about the same team that wrote that the Tiger Shark AX-1-0, a unit that is armed with 2 Macro weapons (weapons that can only be fired if the unit remains stationary unless it has the titanic keyword), is a flyer that has a minimum move distance and cannot stay still, and doesn't have the titanic keyword. They did not realize that this was a problem until pretty much the every Tau player on the internet pointed out to them that the Tiger Shark actually could not function as written. Forge World has jacked up their 8th edition rules writing so horribly in the name of jerking off to their power armor fantasy (Horus Heresy).
Kirasu wrote: How does the same team that writes the rules for the Falchion also write the rules for this thing? It's so bad on a rules level, do they have absolutely 0 conversation about anything they write?
You're talking about the same team that wrote that the Tiger Shark AX-1-0, a unit that is armed with 2 Macro weapons (weapons that can only be fired if the unit remains stationary unless it has the titanic keyword), is a flyer that has a minimum move distance and cannot stay still, and doesn't have the titanic keyword. They did not realize that this was a problem until pretty much the every Tau player on the internet pointed out to them that the Tiger Shark actually could not function as written. Forge World has jacked up their 8th edition rules writing so horribly in the name of jerking off to their power armor fantasy (Horus Heresy).
The series that's last rules release was an utter mess of typos, missing rules, balance issues and the like of which no one had ever seen before (Though the Indices probably beat it with flaws, they were also all rushed in a short time frame).
Well, naturally heresy is thier money maker.
It's hard to justify throwing monies on units that liturally can't function in game.
And even when they do, FW canceled entire model lines because they didn't sell, missing that the reason they didn't sell was not because the models were not awesome, but the rules were worse than godamn possessed for several editions.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: This image shows brilliantly why I would never buy one. It just doesn’t look like it belongs in the same IP as the others.
Agreed. Not sure what happened at FW/GW in recent years but their vehicles have certainly taken a shift in a new direction aesthetically that I am not a fan of. Not sure when it started but I know when the Taurox came out I could hardly believe how bad it looked. Doesn't seem like it belongs in the setting at all. The only model FW has released in recent years that I like is the new Sisters of Silence vehicle. Its unique & I can definitely see the Sisters of Silence using them:
MonkeyBallistic wrote: This image shows brilliantly why I would never buy one. It just doesn’t look like it belongs in the same IP as the others.
Agreed. Not sure what happened at FW/GW in recent years but their vehicles have certainly taken a shift in a new direction aesthetically that I am not a fan of. Not sure when it started but I know when the Taurox came out I could hardly believe how bad it looked. Doesn't seem like it belongs in the setting at all. The only model FW has released in recent years that I like is the new Sisters of Silence vehicle. Its unique & I can definitely see the Sisters of Silence using them:
That is because the Kharon is properly Grimdark. This new hover tank looks like something from like Heavy Gear or something. Not at all Grimdark!
The Astraeus to me looks like it was clipped out of a simple RTS video game (something like Supreme Commander). But then I dislike the Repulsor tank or whatever also.
I liked Jes' original sketch but the end result leaves a lot to be desired. Combined witht he mediocre design of the dread and it's probably a good thing I won't be building a Primaris army --- the aesthetic direction is pretty bad at the moment.
Finally a marine that’s not constipation faced, but he gets objectified as fat. Women really don’t have a chance if space marines are judged for their looks .
Yeah, I can see with people don't like this new FW paint stile but I don't see what about it is awfulll. It looks a little like... an oil-painting. At least the faces.
It's been a fairly consistent criticism from a lot of people since this guy's work started being featured regularly (I think the BB stuff was the first?)
Being technically proficient, which this stuff undoubtedly is, isn't the only criteria of producing a pleasing paint job. For me, and, it seems plenty of others, the artist consistently makes decisions about colour and/or technique that just don't excite me to purchase the model, in fact they actively put me off, and for a commission that's supposed to illicit the opposite response, that's got to be considered a failure.
Much of this can be filed under the 'Different People Like Different Things" category and probably shouldn't clog up this thread too much more - if at all...
It's the same one Culln used to have, nice detail there. Makes me wonder how it survived Cullns death, as they said they needed a bucket to recover what remained of him.
Astraeus looks like it was done by some trainee during his lunch break. At least the price is somewhat reasonable, for such a lump o resin.
Scorp characters look nice.
I wonder if the tendency to ever larger centerpiece models is doing the hobby any good. I mean, I am certainly not going to start buying into a new game or army if I know that I'll need several 250€-units just to be vaguely competitive.
Certainly I can see the point that the new Gravtank doesnt aesthetically fit in with the rest of 40k.
Kosake wrote: I wonder if the tendency to ever larger centerpiece models is doing the hobby any good. I mean, I am certainly not going to start buying into a new game or army if I know that I'll need several 250€-units just to be vaguely competitive.
Certainly I can see the point that the new Gravtank doesnt aesthetically fit in with the rest of 40k.
Hell I pretty much gave up on modern 40K when the possibility of having to deal with several HUEG 250 quid units on the regular become a serious prospect. I have zero desire to play 28mm Epic, and collecting a "normal" army isn't fun for me any more because you *have* to "spam" loads of boring duplicate units in order to cram enough heavy firepower into a list to deal with the big stuff. These days in the few cases I venture away from specialist games stuff I make armies sized for early 3rd Ed.
The sad thing is it isn't even FW's fault. They always made these big units because they were cool models and made great centerpieces for display shelves and the occasional megabattle with your buddies, it was the main studio(or the moneymen who rule them) who made all this nonsense part of the core game and created the daft arms race that the modern game has become, and not because it made the game better but to further line their pockets with the bigger margins on giant plastic kits.
This image shows brilliantly why I would never buy one. It just doesn’t look like it belongs in the same IP as the others.
Looks like something from a setting like Infinity, or Gates of Antares.
I don't know, it doesn't look like a Baneblade, but it has some definite design elements in common with the space marine tanks (and even more elements if you look at the primaris tank). IMO the problem is not that it doesn't fit into the setting, it's that it's a poor design in general.
... is it just me or does the white scars rhino door not make any sense? The older kind, I mean. There doesnt actually seem to be a seam where it could open...?
Tyr13 wrote: ... is it just me or does the white scars rhino door not make any sense? The older kind, I mean. There doesnt actually seem to be a seam where it could open...?
Peregrine wrote: OMG OMG OMG SO EXCITED MOAR SPACE MARINE DOORS I WONDER WHAT IS BEHIND THEM. THANK GOD WE HAVE THIS DOOR AND NOT FOC.
I LIKE THEM AND I DON'T MIND HAVING SOME MORE VARIETY FOR SOME OF MY CURRENTLY UNBUILT RHINOS LOL MOAAR DOORS OMG.
Shame they're not for everyone though. Oh well, can't please all people all the time.
Don't worry, Perry doesn't really do jokes so he isn't familiar with how they work. Nor, apparently, when they're done to death and the very tiny ember of comedy they may have originally cradled has long since been extinguished.
Definitely getting the gimpy Road Warrior guy and also Lauren of Arabia there, but I'll probably give the bionic hunchback a miss unless the 360 shot is something special.
I wish they'd preview everything in bare resin first, their house painter's style just doesn't show things off very well IMO, it seems to look best in the "moody" action pics with terrain and less sterile lighting, but in those white background bright photo lighting rig shots they do for promos & the webstore they often look awful.
Of course in the case of the SW guy the quality of the sculpt itself is a bit lacking tbh, I think it's the fur that's putting me off - you can get away with "lumpy fur" on plastic kits, but once you move to resin you're inviting comparison to stuff like Mierce and that kind of style begins to look a bit amateurish.
Yodhrin wrote: Of course in the case of the SW guy the quality of the sculpt itself is a bit lacking tbh, I think it's the fur that's putting me off - you can get away with "lumpy fur" on plastic kits, but once you move to resin you're inviting comparison to stuff like Mierce and that kind of style begins to look a bit amateurish.
That explains nicely why I thought the SW character looked like he was a plastic clampack. Almost certainly not, but looks like one.