MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Iron Angel wrote: I hope you forgive me the joking remark, that I don't find it surprising the Thousand Sons lost, using such a bad sword design vs. armored oppenents
The sword design is less of an issue compared to them holding them backwards.
I was quite sure that the outward curved part of the Kopesh would be to strike the opponent with..
EDIT: You know, like a saber is used.
No. The hook of the khopesh is designed to trap an enemy weapon, and fling it out of their hands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
ImAGeek wrote: Yeah, but it's the one from the Contemptor. Maybe tactical Dreadnought is a mistake and it should be Dreadnought, who knows.
ahhh sorry i didn't see it that well!
but still the other picture of that one guy in the honor guard uses some other kind of termi armour so my request still stands anyway hahahaha.^^
Iron Angel wrote: I hope you forgive me the joking remark, that I don't find it surprising the Thousand Sons lost, using such a bad sword design vs. armored oppenents
The sword design is less of an issue compared to them holding them backwards.
I was quite sure that the outward curved part of the Kopesh would be to strike the opponent with..
EDIT: You know, like a saber is used.
No. The hook of the khopesh is designed to trap an enemy weapon, and fling it out of their hands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The hook can be used like that, but the outside curved edge is the sharp edge used for cutting.
Iron Angel wrote: I hope you forgive me the joking remark, that I don't find it surprising the Thousand Sons lost, using such a bad sword design vs. armored oppenents
The sword design is less of an issue compared to them holding them backwards.
I was quite sure that the outward curved part of the Kopesh would be to strike the opponent with..
EDIT: You know, like a saber is used.
No. The hook of the khopesh is designed to trap an enemy weapon, and fling it out of their hands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have never used a kopesh in any way so I can't, but since the curved part is sharp, I imagine it would work nice for cutting.
Unless you try cutting heavy armor which is a bit dumb.. thats why I joked about it.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Not owning such a device, I'll take your word. I just thought magnetized with movable counters looked cool.
This, unlike Blood Bowl, is looking like it's going to be significantly different to it's ancestors. I'm very interested to see it develop.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Not owning such a device, I'll take your word. I just thought magnetized with movable counters looked cool.
This, unlike Blood Bowl, is looking like it's going to be significantly different to it's ancestors. I'm very interested to see it develop.
Given the models are likely to be in the expensive side, I really hope it's a game that takes a while to play. Low model count Games (for me, just an opinion!) work best when they're cheap and quick affairs (X-Wing), or much pricier and in-depth. If I'm paying say £300, I don't want games that last maybe half an hour,
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Not owning such a device, I'll take your word. I just thought magnetized with movable counters looked cool.
This, unlike Blood Bowl, is looking like it's going to be significantly different to it's ancestors. I'm very interested to see it develop.
Given the models are likely to be in the expensive side, I really hope it's a game that takes a while to play. Low model count Games (for me, just an opinion!) work best when they're cheap and quick affairs (X-Wing), or much pricier and in-depth. If I'm paying say £300, I don't want games that last maybe half an hour,
Plastic kits were confirmed, I'm hoping for a basic of each of the main 3, rather than just warlords, with FW resin upgrades for psy-titans etc and full resin for rarer titan types.
So am I reading that Titanguard entry correctly in that you can use regular plastic Skitarii Vanguard for them? It says you can exchange all the weapons for radium carbines or arcrifles. That is the normal loadout for the Vanguard right?
Just want to know if I can finally use my Skitarii with my Mechanicum forces.
Iron Angel wrote: I hope you forgive me the joking remark, that I don't find it surprising the Thousand Sons lost, using such a bad sword design vs. armored oppenents
The sword design is less of an issue compared to them holding them backwards.
I was quite sure that the outward curved part of the Kopesh would be to strike the opponent with..
EDIT: You know, like a saber is used.
No. The hook of the khopesh is designed to trap an enemy weapon, and fling it out of their hands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have never used a kopesh in any way so I can't, but since the curved part is sharp, I imagine it would work nice for cutting.
Unless you try cutting heavy armor which is a bit dumb.. thats why I joked about it.
The curved part is a cutting edge, also chopping like an axe. The hooked part was designed so the sword could go between shields in a shield wall and the hook would grab the shield as the sword was pulled back. That would create an opening in the shield wall for the second rank of soldiers to attack into the defenders shell. In single combat it can be used to try and disarm the shield from the opponent in a similar manner.
Kirasu wrote: Heavy dread just seems like a way to get SM to have a "Knight" model.. Pretty cool tho!
The Emperor having stats will be a bit of a letdown I'm sure tho, considering he's the most powerful being in the entire known galaxy. It's like fighting against a chaos god and he can force an entire legion to bow down to him or kill hundreds with a swing of his sword. Nothing short of a god infused Horus sho uld be able to touch him, so stats in a game based on D6s will be woefully inadequate.
And yet... He has 10,000 super-being of capability somewhere between am Astartes and a Primarch guarding his life, and playing the blood games to keep thier anti-assassination skillls sharp.
The Emperor is the greatest living psyker in out galaxy, sure- a being of immense power, intelligence and will. But he's not invincible, akd hes not omnipotent. (sadly )
Kirasu wrote: Heavy dread just seems like a way to get SM to have a "Knight" model.. Pretty cool tho!
The Emperor having stats will be a bit of a letdown I'm sure tho, considering he's the most powerful being in the entire known galaxy. It's like fighting against a chaos god and he can force an entire legion to bow down to him or kill hundreds with a swing of his sword. Nothing short of a god infused Horus sho uld be able to touch him, so stats in a game based on D6s will be woefully inadequate.
And yet... He has 10,000 super-being of capability somewhere between am Astartes and a Primarch guarding his life, and playing the blood games to keep thier anti-assassination skillls sharp.
The Emperor is the greatest living psyker in out galaxy, sure- a being of immense power, intelligence and will. But he's not invincible, akd hes not omnipotent. (sadly )
While he isn't powerful if you read the short story "The wolf of ash and fire" it is pre Heresy battle with Horus and the Big E fighting back to back. Only a few pages long, but was a nice tale.
Kirasu wrote: Heavy dread just seems like a way to get SM to have a "Knight" model.. Pretty cool tho!
The Emperor having stats will be a bit of a letdown I'm sure tho, considering he's the most powerful being in the entire known galaxy. It's like fighting against a chaos god and he can force an entire legion to bow down to him or kill hundreds with a swing of his sword. Nothing short of a god infused Horus sho uld be able to touch him, so stats in a game based on D6s will be woefully inadequate.
And yet... He has 10,000 super-being of capability somewhere between am Astartes and a Primarch guarding his life, and playing the blood games to keep thier anti-assassination skillls sharp.
The Emperor is the greatest living psyker in out galaxy, sure- a being of immense power, intelligence and will. But he's not invincible, akd hes not omnipotent. (sadly )
While he isn't powerful if you read the short story "The wolf of ash and fire" it is pre Heresy battle with Horus and the Big E fighting back to back. Only a few pages long, but was a nice tale.
There is some signs pointing at that he held back intentionally to offer Horus more glory, and/or a bonding moment with him. As we have noted, the Emperor's power is absolutely nuts, and he can extinguish an opponent's mind with little trouble.
The Emperor having rules isn't as crazy as some might think. The 30K Primarch rules are largely toned down appropriations of the fluff that are still done justice by virtue of them nonetheless being a clear cut above any other characters. The Emperor would simply be another cut above the Primarchs. He'll be a Lord of War and thanks to the 30K Lord of War restrictions he will be prohibited in all but the largest games - unless I missed something with the Custodes rules, I can't see there being a Rite of War that allows him to be taken as a HQ either.
Like the Primarchs, Big E would be toned down to fit into the game but only be available in larger battles where there will actually be counters to him. Mixing the best attributes of Horus' and Magnus' rules with some extras would probably give you a rough idea of how he will perform in the game.
Iron Angel wrote: I hope you forgive me the joking remark, that I don't find it surprising the Thousand Sons lost, using such a bad sword design vs. armored oppenents
The sword design is less of an issue compared to them holding them backwards.
I was quite sure that the outward curved part of the Kopesh would be to strike the opponent with..
EDIT: You know, like a saber is used.
No. The hook of the khopesh is designed to trap an enemy weapon, and fling it out of their hands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have never used a kopesh in any way so I can't, but since the curved part is sharp, I imagine it would work nice for cutting.
Unless you try cutting heavy armor which is a bit dumb.. thats why I joked about it.
The curved part is a cutting edge, also chopping like an axe. The hooked part was designed so the sword could go between shields in a shield wall and the hook would grab the shield as the sword was pulled back. That would create an opening in the shield wall for the second rank of soldiers to attack into the defenders shell. In single combat it can be used to try and disarm the shield from the opponent in a similar manner.
That does sound more reasonable than yanking the enemy weapon from their hands. I doubt though that it has the same impact as an axe would, the point of balance should be more closer to the handle on the kopesh.
Also I start to worry that this is awfully off topoc .
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Not owning such a device, I'll take your word. I just thought magnetized with movable counters looked cool.
This, unlike Blood Bowl, is looking like it's going to be significantly different to it's ancestors. I'm very interested to see it develop.
Given the models are likely to be in the expensive side, I really hope it's a game that takes a while to play. Low model count Games (for me, just an opinion!) work best when they're cheap and quick affairs (X-Wing), or much pricier and in-depth. If I'm paying say £300, I don't want games that last maybe half an hour,
Plastic kits were confirmed, I'm hoping for a basic of each of the main 3, rather than just warlords, with FW resin upgrades for psy-titans etc and full resin for rarer titan types.
Plastic kits confirmed? Really? Last time I heard they were gonna make everything in resin, And perhaps the terrain in plastic.
alexkon3 wrote: Would be awesome if someone could ask if we will get the achean Terminator armour shown in the book for the honor guard of the 1k sons as upgrade or so for normal tartaros armour!
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I saw some photos of the Titan stat cards making the rounds on social media. What do we think? Looks like there will be a gradient of capability based on damage taken.
Those Titan stat cards are just begging for a touch screen device app.
Love the Sisters transport. It looks like its jumped straight out of Flash Gorden
Not owning such a device, I'll take your word. I just thought magnetized with movable counters looked cool.
This, unlike Blood Bowl, is looking like it's going to be significantly different to it's ancestors. I'm very interested to see it develop.
Given the models are likely to be in the expensive side, I really hope it's a game that takes a while to play. Low model count Games (for me, just an opinion!) work best when they're cheap and quick affairs (X-Wing), or much pricier and in-depth. If I'm paying say £300, I don't want games that last maybe half an hour,
Plastic kits were confirmed, I'm hoping for a basic of each of the main 3, rather than just warlords, with FW resin upgrades for psy-titans etc and full resin for rarer titan types.
Woah woah woah, hold up there chief. When were plastic kits for AT confirmed? Last I'd read they were doing a starter box of plastic terrain but all the actual Titan models were going to be resin.
I don't know for sure, but that might have been mentioned at the Weekender?
Last we heard about plastic anything was before Titanicus was delayed by 7 or so months, so with that extra time they might have decided to do plastic titans too.
'- Adeptus Titanicus is delayed (it was originally planned to be released around february). Not being rushed out. Might be out before the end of the year.
- There will be complete plastic buildings (which you can destroy yourself, by cutting etc).
- Thanks to Blood Bowl, and the delay there is a possibility of plastic Titans which go on sale at the same time as the black book / resin ones.'
Atia pointed out back in January (and that may be outdated after today's seminar) that plastic models could start with the smaller titans and knights, then other models later. That's why the comment mentions the first AT black book (campaign and new rules). FW have already finished warlord, reaver and warhounds in resin, so instead of working on these again they would start with plastic versions of other units and thereby expand the initial range.
Goddamnit. So we are gonna get super expensive basic titans in resin (and with all the casting flaws that come with that) that everyone wants to play and cheaper less popular new units? Kinda disappointing.
Titanicus mainly finished but it does not yet have a release slot. There's lots coming out from GW in the next 2 years and Titanicus is jostling for position amongst them.
Phases follow previous [Epic] versions rather than 40k "I go, you go" - so a movement phase on a "I move one, you move one, I move another one, ..." etc, same for repair, shooting, combat, etc
If they go resin, in 8mm, I'd estimate: Castellax robot ~ Warhound, Contemptor ~ Reaver, Warlord ~ somewhere between Leviathan and one of the hyrbid Knight kits. So, prohibitively expensive even for a FW game.
Assuming they have decided to go plastic thanks to Blood Bowl's success? Who knows. In a starter box, probably way, way cheaper, but individually they'll still give them a "premium" pricetag, so about 2/3 the resin cost(or else they'd never sell the resin ones).
I doubt they will be that cheap, a warhound is going to be contemptor size and I guess price. I heard the warlord in this scale will be Knight sized and as such Knight price.
I figure this is going to be one of the most expensive games ever made on a per model basis.
Is the seminar happening right now? Can someone ask about what's going to be plastic, and timelines? If they're really putting in magnet holes that is so appreciated!
Given how many places there are you can order magnets, it's probably more that they just don't want to stock them and deal with extra hassle than that "blah blah nanny state blahdy helf n' safety innit guv" Kippery.
There is some signs pointing at that he held back intentionally to offer Horus more glory, and/or a bonding moment with him. As we have noted, the Emperor's power is absolutely nuts, and he can extinguish an opponent's mind with little trouble.
That is just lame. I don't understand why people want Emperor to be this utterly invincible superbeing. It is much cooler if he is actually vulnerable and is in real mortal peril when fighting Horus or that überork.
There is some signs pointing at that he held back intentionally to offer Horus more glory, and/or a bonding moment with him. As we have noted, the Emperor's power is absolutely nuts, and he can extinguish an opponent's mind with little trouble.
That is just lame. I don't understand why people want Emperor to be this utterly invincible superbeing. It is much cooler if he is actually vulnerable and is in real mortal peril when fighting Horus or that überork.
For consistency reasons I guess. If he can make a whole Legion kneel to him with a thought, why would a sole Ork present a problem?
For consistency reasons I guess. If he can make a whole Legion kneel to him with a thought, why would a sole Ork present a problem?
There is no point in trying to find consistency in BL books. They don't know the difference between a primarch and a chapter master. Emperor is just as strong as the writer needs at the moment. In any case, for a game it is obviously better to go with low end estimate of Emperor's power to make the game to work.
There is some signs pointing at that he held back intentionally to offer Horus more glory, and/or a bonding moment with him. As we have noted, the Emperor's power is absolutely nuts, and he can extinguish an opponent's mind with little trouble.
That is just lame. I don't understand why people want Emperor to be this utterly invincible superbeing. It is much cooler if he is actually vulnerable and is in real mortal peril when fighting Horus or that überork.
He is a superbeing who never wanted to be worshipped as a god but ended up in that position anyway. That counts, right?
what a beautiful bunch of previews!!!
you guys really made my weekend with all of these reports
so good to see my Space Puppies finally getting some HH love these last few months...
i was never a big fan of the T. Sons, but they are really looking good as a foil to the Wolves, visually...
now i just need to know how long we have to wait for those two awesome Moritats!!!
those feeds to the guns add a ton of dynamism to a very static model...
man, FW makes the best Marines...
aside from the horrible prep-work that they require, i have always enjoyed painting them so much more than the stock plastics...
these guys look like they will be a nightmare to prep, too, but a ton of fun to paint...
If someone there has a chance, please find out the answers to these questions:
What is the Misericordia rule we see on the Custodes?
The Custodes jetbikes have a rule allowing them to shoot with each of their weapons, but they only have one gun each (unless you count tossing a grenade), not even the bolt pistol that legion jetbikes get to carry.
Why doesn't the Custodes transport have the Assault Vehicle rule. Such a low model count army, that will largely depend on assaults to win, simply can't afford to jump out of a transport and stand around just holding their for a turn before charging.
There is some signs pointing at that he held back intentionally to offer Horus more glory, and/or a bonding moment with him. As we have noted, the Emperor's power is absolutely nuts, and he can extinguish an opponent's mind with little trouble.
That is just lame. I don't understand why people want Emperor to be this utterly invincible superbeing. It is much cooler if he is actually vulnerable and is in real mortal peril when fighting Horus or that überork.
I, for one, am looking forward to the Emperors rules. Its always good to see how a BL character is transformed to the tabletop. He'll probably be made MUCH weaker, but am I excited to see how hr fair against a Warlord
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Prosecution of Sarum: at the bottom of Sarum there's always been something wrong...
With Sarum they could be returning to something that had been restricted... Change is a big element of the book - tiring in the dark Mechanicum, BA and DA
End of Q&A, bug slide coming...
Magnus available at Warhammer fest
AI? Men of Iron?
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The Horus Heresy is will always follow the core rule set. So it will transition with the new rule editions.
Titanicus mainly finished but it does not yet have a release slot. There's lots coming out from GW in the next 2 years and Titanicus is jostling for position amongst them.
ThirstySpaceMan wrote: So there's a chance we will see emoji TDA? Lol such a bad design. Hit one with a tank round and he lives but like a turtle is now on his back.
They might have a hydraulic lever pushing out from their back like those self-righting robots from robot-wars.
If they can get more than 1 guy working on the Primarchs.
If not, we might see them before 2035.
They've got Russ and Magnus done for Inferno. The Angels are probably next (I know Simon really wanted to do Sanguinius so he'll me after Magnus most likely). Dorn and Alpharius will come when the story moves back round to include them.
Yea, tease me more of my House but give me no transfers.
Le sigh.
Got to say though, this was a pretty great HH weekender for a lot of folks and even I am considering a Talons Allied detachment now. That SoS transport is legit!
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BrookM wrote: Oh man, they're doing the Thramas crusade!
YES! I am expecting Atramentar models and maybe a character or two!
All of the stuff looks sharp. I like the design of the Sisters transport - very unique and very cool.
Resin Adeptus Titanicus is 100% dead on arrival for me - and sadly my entire gaming group (all 35-60 years old and fondly remember original Epic etc.). No one has interest in that material, particularly at the price point - shame as we'd all have jumped on a quality plastic starter box, etc.
As with most FW stuff this thread serves as nice inspiration at least.
Elbows wrote: All of the stuff looks sharp. I like the design of the Sisters transport - very unique and very cool.
Resin Adeptus Titanicus is 100% dead on arrival for me - and sadly my entire gaming group (all 35-60 years old and fondly remember original Epic etc.). No one has interest in that material, particularly at the price point - shame as we'd all have jumped on a quality plastic starter box, etc.
As with most FW stuff this thread serves as nice inspiration at least.
AT will have some plastic - we don't know exactly what will bee done in plastic yet though.
The rules leaks for Inferno are insane. Constatin Valdor is almost primarch level. The Talons of the Emperor list looks scary good. Their version of the contemptor can potentially be throwing around D hits in CC o.0
Though pricey, you really get the feel for how powerful the custodes are compared to normal marines.
Some other fun thought. TS have better swordsman than palantine blades. I'm also loving their psychic sniper scouts which give Raven guard a run for the money.
Both Russ and Magnus look like they can handle Horus which is huge.
TS also look like they truly play different then any of the legions so far. SW look super customizable with their choices.
Talons seem OP on the whole as they do everything and do it better for not much more points.
*Reads weapon options for Custodes squads*
*Looks at plastic Custodes*
Well that's interesting. If I'm reading this right, there is no way to make the Custodian guard and sentinel guard squad option of a vexilla and warblade with the plastic kit from BoP. As there is no left hand version of either the vexilla or blade. The only place the vexilla and shield build from BoP fits is the Hetaeron squad.
GoatboyBeta wrote: *Reads weapon options for Custodes squads*
*Looks at plastic Custodes*
Well that's interesting. If I'm reading this right, there is no way to make the Custodian guard and sentinel guard squad option of a vexilla and warblade with the plastic kit from BoP. As there is no left hand version of either the vexilla or blade. The only place the vexilla and shield build from BoP fits is the Hetaeron squad.
I noticed that too. Seems to run counter to the plastic kit.
Given the shapes and cad elements, it would make a lot of sense for fw to make the Mars pattern titans in resin, they can just scale down the 40k ones, and then for plastic titans make the lucius pattern ones. Those are simpler in design, making them a lot easier to do injection molded versions that look good, and let people choose the basic or premium versions, and keep the almost as awesome lucius designs around
Alpharius wrote: No, but it would be shocking if Warlords aren't in plastic, wouldn't it?
Shocking? No, but it would be disappointing. I'm really hoping that the success of BB along with the recent large kits for 40k and AoS will convince GW to take a chance on plastic Titans. If not the Warlord then at least the Reaver and Warhound.
I'm really interested in Adeptus Titanicus, but the potential cost of even the intro box might put me off of it. Of Course I do like plastic over resin usually, especially when it comes to anything large.
Has anyone done a page by page flipthrough of inferno on youtube yet? I haven't been able to find anything...a bit of a surprise.
Shame only 1 unit of sisters have access to the snare gun.
Even then only 4 of them can take it.
12" range assault weapon that when it hits, forces D3 strength tests.
Any failed cause a wound that ignores armour.
If a unit of 10 could take that it would be amazing.
My only gripe with the talon list is the custodes transport.
The lack of assault vehicle in an army that specialises in combat hurts a lot.
The sisters one has it, which helps I guess.
Just a shame the custode one lacks it.
This shows some promise. The question is will they make it dynamic enough so that you don't just stand at the edge of the board (or walk towards the enemy) all game while shooting?
It looks like the carapace weapons only come in pairs on a Warlord. Kinda boring.
Also, if it's 8 mm scale and a 4x4 board, it's gonna be kinda crammed. I would prefer much more to have a bigger table fro some more tactical manouvers.
GoatboyBeta wrote: *Reads weapon options for Custodes squads*
*Looks at plastic Custodes*
Well that's interesting. If I'm reading this right, there is no way to make the Custodian guard and sentinel guard squad option of a vexilla and warblade with the plastic kit from BoP. As there is no left hand version of either the vexilla or blade. The only place the vexilla and shield build from BoP fits is the Hetaeron squad.
All the more reason for FW to hopefully throw away GW's pretty badly posed kit and make one with options that can make the actual units!
Quick question (apologies if this has been covered): with the event-exclusive Custodes, will this figure be available at other upcoming events FW is present (i.e. Adepticon), or is it only at Warhammer World? Also, is there a general timeline for how long will this figure be available (i.e. would be possibly be at GenCon in the fall?)
Trying to figure out how to pick this guy up without paying the extortion rate of eBay.
Accolade wrote: Quick question (apologies if this has been covered): with the event-exclusive Custodes, will this figure be available at other upcoming events FW is present (i.e. Adepticon), or is it only at Warhammer World? Also, is there a general timeline for how long will this figure be available (i.e. would be possibly be at GenCon in the fall?)
Trying to figure out how to pick this guy up without paying the extortion rate of eBay.
It's event exclusive, not WHW exclusive, so it should be available at all events, and it'll probably be for the year.
I have enough problems these days finding a 40k game, let alone a 30k game. What do you guys think the probability of these Custodes units finding their way into a 40k list would be? I'm most interested in the jetbikes, although they'd be the least likely to make the crossover.
Until we know the results of the Storm that is Gathering (particularly what happens, if anything, if/when Cypher succeeds in getting to Terra), the most appropriate answer is "remotely possible, but very unlikely."
If the Storm results in the Custodes becoming significantly more common as a fighting force in the 41st millenium (say, the Emperor's Golden Throne and Palace no longer need their diligent protection), porting a lot of Custodes units becomes far more likely (including the Jetbikes - they're somewhat famous for being one of the few Imperial Forces to retain them, let alone in large numbers).
cuda1179 wrote: I have enough problems these days finding a 40k game, let alone a 30k game. What do you guys think the probability of these Custodes units finding their way into a 40k list would be? I'm most interested in the jetbikes, although they'd be the least likely to make the crossover.
I realize it's not always an option but if you can get to an event there's plenty of 40K & growing 30K out there.
Anyone know what the misercordia is? The rules say LC jet bikes have sweeping fire and can fire all weapons but only get one shooty gun per man. Is the misercordia a pistol? I also noticed multiple guardian spear types do we think this designation is the gun part of the spear?
It's the Sisters of Silence transport. It's possibly one of the most outta left field things GW has made in a while. I think it looks fantastic. Can't imagine how much it weighs...
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's the Sisters of Silence transport. It's possibly one of the most outta left field things GW has made in a while. I think it looks fantastic. Can't imagine how much it weighs...
Not all that much. From the looks of it is mostly hollow, and only like 6 parts. Front hull that can be swapped, a seam showing that the top and sides separate just above the side pipes, probably a belly plate, and rear assembly.
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Dark Mechanicum may also experiment with xenos tech and Dark Age tech. Not a switch flipped overnight, but a gradual evolution / devolution.
Prosecution of Sarum: at the bottom of Sarum there's always been something wrong... With Sarum they could be returning to something that had been restricted... Change is a big element of the book - tiring in the dark Mechanicum, BA and DA
End of Q&A, bug slide coming... Magnus available at Warhammer fest
AI? Men of Iron?
Probably referring to the Castellax-Achea... (image from battlebunnies)
I think that is a new and potentially exclusive weapon for the dark mechanicum on the unit on the right. Aether-???? Cannon?
The models look pretty cool and clearly have something more than a Cybernetica Cortex on the go!!
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's the Sisters of Silence transport. It's possibly one of the most outta left field things GW has made in a while. I think it looks fantastic. Can't imagine how much it weighs...
And I want like...seven. Too cool! Much Dune flavor!
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Dark Mechanicum may also experiment with xenos tech and Dark Age tech. Not a switch flipped overnight, but a gradual evolution / devolution.
Prosecution of Sarum: at the bottom of Sarum there's always been something wrong...
With Sarum they could be returning to something that had been restricted... Change is a big element of the book - tiring in the dark Mechanicum, BA and DA
End of Q&A, bug slide coming...
Magnus available at Warhammer fest
AI? Men of Iron?
Probably referring to the Castellax-Achea...
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I think that is a new and potentially exclusive weapon for the dark mechanicum on the unit on the right. Aether-???? Cannon?
The models look pretty cool and clearly have something more than a Cybernetica Cortex on the go!!
Sarum is the World Eaters Forgeworld, so it's not talking about the Thousand Sons Automata.
The thousand sun version of the castellax are powered by the warp, so if other legions or the mechanicum are going to take them then they are going to need a source of psykers or daemons to power them. I guess they might be in book 8 as an option for dark mechanicum as book 8 sees the first daemon powered mechanicum units?
I'm really liking that new Sister's transport, just need to get the book to plan out my list.
I'm also digging the new Warlord variant, had a look at the rules and it is just dirty. Did anybody find out when its arm and head variants are coming?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm most looking forward to finally getting Siege Tyrant Terminators.
Seriously. Book III. THEY WERE IN BOOK III. And now we finally get them.
So are Dorn, Alpharius, Lernean Terminators.
I reckon Dorn will be the last primarch done. With Angelus, expect the Lion and Sanguinius. After that, it'll be the White Scars turn for a book (finally!) and they'd probably face off against Alpha Legion (So Khan and Alpharius). That just leaves Dorn, assuming they don't want to do a Dæmon primarch first...
Nudibranch - your reading my mind.
The gryph-hounds and star eagles will be perfect stay d in models for now.
Still a little unsure about them though rules wise.
For their cost I see sisters with swords being a lot more damaging in 30k while being more resilient too.
Jackal wrote: Nudibranch - your reading my mind.
The gryph-hounds and star eagles will be perfect stay d in models for now.
Still a little unsure about them though rules wise.
For their cost I see sisters with swords being a lot more damaging in 30k while being more resilient too.
Yeah, they seem pretty weak, like it would of been better is you could take more than 6 beasts in a unit or if they had the actual 'beast' unit type and the sisters were on some sort of jetbike or had a 'release the hounds' type ability where the beasts would detach and recieve some sort of charging bonus for doing so in exchange for lower leadership.
Eh, still love the concept of the unit so will be taking them either way.
Jackal wrote: Nudibranch - your reading my mind.
The gryph-hounds and star eagles will be perfect stay d in models for now.
Still a little unsure about them though rules wise.
For their cost I see sisters with swords being a lot more damaging in 30k while being more resilient too.
Slap these ladies behind a LC shield wall for survivability. Everyone in the talons meshes well together. I do think I will only use one squad of pursuers, as the SOS have better units but rule of cool needs cyber dogs and hate bird swarms. The snare gun squad will see some use me thinks. And I feel like the fire pike you can give TDALC is a points sink. Jet bikers so so sweet. my wife will leave if I build the army I want over any time period shorter than a year
If it makes you feel better bud I've hidden my bank statements from the Mrs lol.
Up to a 5k custodes army due to impulse buying and the more I see the worse it's getting.
Especially the art that is the custode jetbike.
Keep in mind sisters can gain special rules army wide too.
Give them the stealth ability and throw them behind a shield unit with shrikes.
Should help with templates and keeping them alive a lot longer.
And with snare guns it's a shame you can't take a unit of 10.
The damage is amazing.
While tempted by DA, I'm sticking to my guns. After I picked up the Daemon Prince Magnus as a Christmas gift, I'm going with Thousand Sons for my bad guy legion.
kronk wrote: I REALLLY like the Dark Angels' HH look.
Same. Have we any ideas when this will be released? I have 2000pts of Dark Angels that need painting up! They're currently just black or grey plastic lol.(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)
Transfers for the knight was mentioned but no date. Just something like "yeah we know they need released but the person dealing with them is a law unto herself. They will be released soon.
kronk wrote: I REALLLY like the Dark Angels' HH look.
Same. Have we any ideas when this will be released? I have 2000pts of Dark Angels that need painting up! They're currently just black or grey plastic lol.(Sorry if it's been mentioned already)
Given their current rate of releases I'd expect book 8 to be next year.
Kijamon wrote: Transfers for the knight was mentioned but no date. Just something like "yeah we know they need released but the person dealing with them is a law unto herself. They will be released soon.
Thank you. I hope it is soon as in like Q2 this year at the latest. :/ Not holding my breath, which is good because if I had I would already have died like a year ago.
buddha wrote: Some other fun thought. TS have better swordsman than palantine blades. I'm also loving their psychic sniper scouts which give Raven guard a run for the money.
Both Russ and Magnus look like they can handle Horus which is huge.
TS also look like they truly play different then any of the legions so far. SW look super customizable with their choices.
Talons seem OP on the whole as they do everything and do it better for not much more points.
Yep, The Leman russ armor making Angron and Horus hit on 6's and the weapon with multiple wound chance absolutely puts him in top place as the most capable primarch in a challenge.
Anybody notice that the SoS transport wouldn't actually be able shut it's doors - seems a bit of a daft design to put the guns where they are... Aside from that, I'm loving all the Custodes and TS stuff. Kinda thinking more and more of starting up one or the other.
Yep, The Leman russ armor making Angron and Horus hit on 6's and the weapon with multiple wound chance absolutely puts him in top place as the most capable primarch in a challenge.
Try Magnus with Invisibility, or better yet, Magnus with Iron Arm, Warp Speed and Endurance (or just any two of those).
I'm really interested in Angelus now, where's that Ravenwing love at?
Magnus is going to be a pure beatstick when a model is released.
Had someone proxy him in a 2.5k game today and the damage he causes is ridiculous.
Watched as they faced off against a knight list and promptly tabled the guy early on turn 3.
The sheer destructive powers magnus can throw around wreck just about anything.
If your running invisibility aswell, good luck.
My only gripe is its easy to spam large amounts of strength D shooting from him alone.
We made a note of damage from a single cast against a knight castigator.
At around 16HP worth of damage we realised he was on the nasty side.
My only worry is with the right powers and a charge farm to support him, him can level a full HP unshielded reaver in a turn with ease.
With invisibility the reaver really can't do anything in return except suck it up.
Due to having 3 TSons legion players in the area I've already worked sisters into my list as a rough defence.
Granted it was a single game, but I wanna see more before I make up my mind.
Jackal wrote: Magnus is going to be a pure beatstick when a model is released.
Had someone proxy him in a 2.5k game today and the damage he causes is ridiculous.
Watched as they faced off against a knight list and promptly tabled the guy early on turn 3.
The sheer destructive powers magnus can throw around wreck just about anything.
If your running invisibility aswell, good luck.
My only gripe is its easy to spam large amounts of strength D shooting from him alone.
We made a note of damage from a single cast against a knight castigator.
At around 16HP worth of damage we realised he was on the nasty side.
My only worry is with the right powers and a charge farm to support him, him can level a full HP unshielded reaver in a turn with ease.
With invisibility the reaver really can't do anything in return except suck it up.
Due to having 3 TSons legion players in the area I've already worked sisters into my list as a rough defence.
Granted it was a single game, but I wanna see more before I make up my mind.
As a Questoris player, I am going to get some of the Dune ships and some ladies to stick in them. Magnus is generating a lot of buzz already about how OP he is. :/
Yeah FW are almost for sure going to have to Errata him, probably by nerfing or removing his D ability.
EDIT: That being said though, people have been playing is as working on the entire Witchfire family, including the special Witchfires like Beams & Novas. It's highly likely that FW only intended for it to only be used with normal Witchfires. Also it could probably do with being a 'Once per Turn' ability, even if that meant not making the Strength improvement random. The potential to spit out multiple Str D Witchfires with multiple shots can skew him to be powerful as all hell the one game and single handily destroy a Household.
Jackal wrote: Magnus is going to be a pure beatstick when a model is released.
Had someone proxy him in a 2.5k game today and the damage he causes is ridiculous.
Watched as they faced off against a knight list and promptly tabled the guy early on turn 3.
The sheer destructive powers magnus can throw around wreck just about anything.
How does the FW 30k variant compare with the GW40k version that is supposed enhanced by Tzeentch to be a daemon prince on top of being a primarch? I haven't kept up with 40k stats for a while so don't have a clue in that regard.
Jackal wrote: Magnus is going to be a pure beatstick when a model is released.
Had someone proxy him in a 2.5k game today and the damage he causes is ridiculous.
Watched as they faced off against a knight list and promptly tabled the guy early on turn 3.
The sheer destructive powers magnus can throw around wreck just about anything.
How does the FW 30k variant compare with the GW40k version that is supposed enhanced by Tzeentch to be a daemon prince on top of being a primarch? I haven't kept up with 40k stats for a while so don't have a clue in that regard.
40k Magnus can Throw out a D Beam Every Turn
30k Magnus can Fire 6 D Shots every Turn (Biomancy)
Yeah...
Sorry if I'm wrong, but can't you cast only one witchfire a turn? In 40k Ahrimans staff allows him to cast 3, but he is the only one who can cast the more than once per turn.
hordrak wrote: Sorry if I'm wrong, but can't you cast only one witchfire a turn? In 40k Ahrimans staff allows him to cast 3, but he is the only one who can cast the more than once per turn.
You can cast multiple different Witchfires in the same turn, you just can't cast the same Witchfire multiple times with the same Psyker (unless you're 40k Ahriman).
hordrak wrote: Sorry if I'm wrong, but can't you cast only one witchfire a turn? In 40k Ahrimans staff allows him to cast 3, but he is the only one who can cast the more than once per turn.
You can cast multiple different Witchfires in the same turn, you just can't cast the same Witchfire multiple times with the same Psyker (unless you're 40k Ahriman).
Also in a unit with several psykers, they can't cast the same power either.
That too . I keep forgetting that as it never comes up in my games (though it probably will be soon given the direction my Daemons are going and with the T-Sons rules further encouraging me to build an army of them).
Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.
I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.
Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.
I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.
While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.
Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.
Jackal wrote: Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.
I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.
Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.
I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.
While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.
Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.
I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.
I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.
Sanguinius has psychic power, yes. But I would describe it as a passive power. In Fear to Tread, he can sense when his sons die.
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This was used against him when they were ambushed and a great number of them were killed all at once, putting Sanguinius in a form of coma from the psychic backlash.
Some people are speculating (or maybe there is old fluff that supports or is somewhat ret-conned now) that when Sanguinius is killed by Horus, the psychic backlash causes a great number of Blood Angels to immediately suffer from Red Rage TM.
There is a lot more, but I'm not terribly knowledgeable about the Blood Angels.
Im defiantly gonna build a Fallen army (probably a small one) for my FLGS's big Gathering Storm finale (a giant Apocalypse size battle with many participants) and those images just get me excited.
Sanguinius was prescient. He could see future events to a degree, along with the psychic/emotional bond with his Legion.
It's also what speaks to the "Jesus" allegory knowing he was going to die for his father, but he still went to his death.
I can't see him having any "Attacking" type psychic powers, but I can see them working the prescience in there somewhere. Which could lead to some cool scenarios where he "knows" where to attack and gets to strike beforehand.
Making Sanguinius a ML 2 Divination psyker seems logical. Giving him Precognition and Foreboding as pre-selected powers would fit the fluff. Also making him DtW on 4+. Nic addition to a melee monster th Angel will be.
hordrak wrote: Making Sanguinius a ML 2 Divination psyker seems logical. Giving him Precognition and Foreboding as pre-selected powers would fit the fluff. Also making him DtW on 4+. Nic addition to a melee monster th Angel will be.
Jackal wrote: Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.
I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.
Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.
I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.
While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.
Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.
I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.
The Khan isn't a psyker?
Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.
Jackal wrote: Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.
I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.
Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.
I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.
While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.
Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.
I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.
The Khan isn't a psyker?
Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
I've been through the units for Custodes and Sisters twice now and I still can't find which of them is armed with the Proteus Las Lance listed under "Custodes Battlefield Support Weapons" is this the "other" weapon the Jetbikes were suppose to be armed with
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.
It's also been mentioned many times, in many threads, on many sites, that ALL Primarchs had some psychic attunement, but only a few of them could actually use it.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.
Just finished reading Scars, and it wasn't clear if it was Khan doing it, something Magnus did or something else.
Jackal wrote: Long story short, magnus has an army with him simply to feed his crazed warpcharge addiction.
I think it's at the high end of stupidly good, but not broken.
30k has issues with psykers to begin with due to having limited numbers of them in armies, and most of which don't do a lot.
Due to having a low number of psykers, the defence against it really wasn't needed before as it was nothing special.
This however can given it a pretty nasty shake.
I've seen the more competitive players scouring ebay for sisters of silence to try and cut down the damage.
While I'm no fluff nut, isn't sanguinius also a pretty strong psyker? (Not as strong as magnus though)
This kind of makes me edgy about what's to come.
Then you have the emperor, in a talon list where nearly half the units shut down psykers altogether lol.
I don't think Sanguinius was, but I know the Khan was.
The Khan isn't a psyker?
Edit: well, all the Primarchs were innately psychic beings to some extent, but the Khan isn't a psyker in the traditional sense.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
For what it's worth, both the Proteus Las Lance and Adrathic Exterminator aren't available to units yet.
The Adrathic Exterminator will be a heavy turret upgrade that's been shown from weekender pics on the Caladius chassis.
The last Lance is a pretty welcome weapon though depending on what they give it to.
Jetbike have the ability to fire multiple weapons yet only have the bike mounted weapon and grenades.
It's believed this is for future releases.
The Misericordia is also believed to be the power dagger.
However, nothing has been shown to confirm this 100%
Considering its Latin for "mercy" though, it could go either way.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.
There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.
There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.
That was right after talking to not-magnus, so he/it could have been the cause of it.$
Edit: Look, I know all the Primarchs have psychic potential, but Khan was NOT a Psyker, nor did he use psychic abilities AFAIK.
Nah, Jagatai and Sanguinius just supported Psykers in their legion. The Khan showed psychic POTENTIAL, but as far as I know the only Primarchs to actually become full-blown Psykers were Magnus and Lorgar. Corax, Night Haunter and possibly Vulkan also subconsciously used Psychic abilities.
I am really, really sure he used some sort of psyker powers in the battle. I don't have my book on hand (at work), but I will dig for it after work.
It was when they were battling the psychneuein on Prospero. The Khan was able to psychically charge his blade or something to destroy them. He also has some internal dialogue about how all the primarchs are psykers, even ones like Angron and Mortarion.
There you go! That. I couldn't remember, been some time since I read it. Definitely a Psyker who can utilize powers in combat.
That was right after talking to not-magnus, so he/it could have been the cause of it.$
Edit: Look, I know all the Primarchs have psychic potential, but Khan was NOT a Psyker, nor did he use psychic abilities AFAIK.
Stop peddling your #alternativefacts!
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Jackal wrote:The Misericordia is also believed to be the power dagger.
However, nothing has been shown to confirm this 100%
Considering its Latin for "mercy" though, it could go either way.
Just for reference, IRL, a Misericorde is a dagger - typically a stilleto or rondel that was plunged through an incapicitated Knight's eye slits or punched up into exposed joints such as an armpit to finish him off or 'put him out of his misery' if you like. You can pretty much bet that if Misericordia is mentioned, it's gonna be the dagger.
thanks, but sadly I can't take full credit! Local sign maker routed it, its about a foot tall and for game by club prize. I want to keep it big style, it's awesome. I put up some other pics in my gallery.
However, if you plan on killing him in combat I'd recommend throwing one at him.
He is one hell of a combat character.
Resilient, great stats and amazing damage output.
Also gives custodes free transponders so you can deepstrike them for free, rather than paying for them.
All this for under 300.
Edit: The only real downside I see is people will throw him in a unit with upgrades, which is going to be a fair chunk of points.
With 5 custodes (spear) the units damage output is stupidly high however, meaning most things you fight will be severe overkill.
In a trial game against a friends iron hands they tore through a 10 man breaches team, 20 man tac and a talon of 2 contemptors.
As long as he stays in combat he tends to kill most things with ease and be safe from shooting.
Unfortunately I couldn't get to ferrus though as I buried him in shield custodes and a unit of jetbikes.
Either way, unless the character can strike before him and kill him that turn, there's a good chance he will just outright kill them.
Fingers crossed for a Jenetia Krole mini sometime? I haven't seen much info outside of the Sisters transport for some new stuff or upgrades unless I've missed something.
Little bummed out about the lack of Rhinos for them as well since a fair amount of art has them using lots. Oh well!
Dagstyrr wrote: Fingers crossed for a Jenetia Krole mini sometime? I haven't seen much info outside of the Sisters transport for some new stuff or upgrades unless I've missed something.
Little bummed out about the lack of Rhinos for them as well since a fair amount of art has them using lots. Oh well!
There aren't really that many releases they could do for the Sisters, are there? Based on what they can take now anyway. Krole, Excruciatus Cadre, the "beasts" for the Pursuer Cadre, and maybe a weapon pack? Everything else can be built with the plastic kit.
I share your disappointment about the Rhinos. I get FW want to make their take on Custodes & SoS unique and visually distinct from the rest of the Imperium, but the fact that all these new factions & subfactions, in both 30K and 40K, don't even have the option to take Rhinos and similar supposedly-ubiquitous vehicles really undermines the whole "STC" idea. Also, I really really wanted a grav-Rhino kit
Dagstyrr wrote: Fingers crossed for a Jenetia Krole mini sometime? I haven't seen much info outside of the Sisters transport for some new stuff or upgrades unless I've missed something.
Little bummed out about the lack of Rhinos for them as well since a fair amount of art has them using lots. Oh well!
There aren't really that many releases they could do for the Sisters, are there? Based on what they can take now anyway. Krole, Excruciatus Cadre, the "beasts" for the Pursuer Cadre, and maybe a weapon pack? Everything else can be built with the plastic kit.
I share your disappointment about the Rhinos. I get FW want to make their take on Custodes & SoS unique and visually distinct from the rest of the Imperium, but the fact that all these new factions & subfactions, in both 30K and 40K, don't even have the option to take Rhinos and similar supposedly-ubiquitous vehicles really undermines the whole "STC" idea. Also, I really really wanted a grav-Rhino kit
I think the Oblivion Knights will need a new kit too, with their fancy cloaks and all, as well as the HQ's. I agree that Sisters should have the option to take Rhinos, but can understand the Custodes not using them. The Custodes use bespoke stuff that is only not spread wider because it cannot be mass produced due to it's complexity, like Laustrum bolt shells. The Emperor has ensured his bodyguard get the rarest of experimental stuff before they eventually move into mass-production (which I assume was the ultimate goal for all the rare Custodes stuff that wasn't prohibited, but was halted by the HH).
Jackal wrote:Warpig - makes sense then bud, cheers.
No problem - sometimes it pays to be eye deep in history books.
Haighus wrote:I think the Oblivion Knights will need a new kit too, with their fancy cloaks and all, as well as the HQ's. I agree that Sisters should have the option to take Rhinos, but can understand the Custodes not using them. The Custodes use bespoke stuff that is only not spread wider because it cannot be mass produced due to it's complexity, like Laustrum bolt shells. The Emperor has ensured his bodyguard get the rarest of experimental stuff before they eventually move into mass-production (which I assume was the ultimate goal for all the rare Custodes stuff that wasn't prohibited, but was halted by the HH).
I think the disappointment stems from the fact that Grav-Rhino's were long established as one of the cooler bits of Custodes fluff. I understand that FW is trying to set them apart from SMs, but Grav-Rhinos were sort of an iconic image of the Custodes.
Well from what I can tell art wise grav rhinos were only given to the Custodes? There is a particular picture called "The Emperors Gift". As well as a normal rhino with some Sisters exiting. Both are in Collected Visions.
I have been neglecting my 30+ prospero sisters for a while so I've got plenty to work on. Just need to flesh out a list. Bit of a SOS fan boy. Combine this with the new BL book about the war in the webway. My dreams are coming true.
Due to exceptionally high demand we're working the Forge World servitors hard and production has gone into overdrive on The Mighty Zug and the Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought. This means that right now if you order either of these models, you might experience a delay of up to two weeks before they are dispatched. Rest assured, we will get those incredible models to you just as fast as we can.
Thanks for your patience.
The Mighty Zug: https://goo.gl/Ft0mfs Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought: https://goo.gl/pkiAoF
little pic from Inferno concerning psykers here for you too
Hmm... Varag is very mundane and low-key for an Orc. That's surprising, especially considering what his first and second incarnations were like, and especially after the great Zug mini we just got.
What a shame.
Daemon Prince looks like a cut-price Mierce Miniature knockoff.
Kinda meh. The orc looks pretty much the same as the rest of the orc players.
The Daemon...I like the front part of the torso. The rest (especially feet and the lower back), look like the sculptor was too lazy to do anything with them. Exactly like with the previous Khorne daemon.
SoB are space marines with Chapter Tactics: T3 and some weird units nobody ever uses.
Custodes aren't Space Marines, and you're weird Space Marine hate is just that: Weird.
I don't hate space marines, I'm just tired of MEQ/TEQ elite infantry (there, happy?) completely dominating FW's release schedule, to the point where everything else is neglected almost entirely. Where's the Tau book we've been waiting on for ages? Where's some acknowledgement that IG still exist? Where's an update for IA8, which is now what, two full editions out of date? Remember when FW used to do cool stuff for every faction, not just an endless parade of shoulder pads and contemptor dreadnoughts?
To be honest though, with the heresy in full swing it's to be expected that marines are centre stage with releases.
My tyranids have been neglected for ages though, to the point they have had 1 model more recently released (dimachaeron) and then a ton of stuff discontinued lol.
Just sell me the carnifex upgrades sans the fex.
I rather buy a cheap one for £15 off ebay then an upgrade kit.
Allows me to use magnets without paying over £50 for 1 fex.
I also remember when FW had most of their releases timed around the books, and then nothing for ages. And when they didn't, it was almost always an IG superheavy tank.
Joyboozer wrote: Am I the only one that thinks Varag looks like a lumpy piece of gak?
Zug is an amazing sculpt, Varag looks like a bad third party release.
Joyboozer wrote: Am I the only one that thinks Varag looks like a lumpy piece of gak?
Zug is an amazing sculpt, Varag looks like a bad third party release.
Agreed.
Thirded, or would that be turded considering the sculpt
I've not seen anything suck as hard as Varag does from FW in a long time. He's not as good as the normal Ork blitzer and will cost more than that model plus all of the rest of an ork team.
Varag looks fine to me, I'm surprised at these comments. Maybe not a homerun, but he's nicely understated and would make a great alternate blitzer as Sarouan posted.
Varag is awful, especially compared to the phenomenal plastics.
Boxy, vague detail. Very easy to convert him from extra plastics so no big loss, just a shame after the phenomenal Zug sculpt.
Sarouan wrote: I know what is wrong with Varag; he looks exactly like an alternative generic orc blitzer would. He doesn't have that "Star Player" feeling.
That's why I called him 'low-key'. That's nothing grand about him.
RiTides wrote: ... he's nicely understated and would make a great alternate blitzer as Sarouan posted.
He didn't post that as a positive. Understated is not what you want from a Star Player mini.
I agree of course, but if I was an ork BB player, I'd totally be picking it up and using it as a blitzer... that squig ball is just too great not to use
RiTides wrote: I agree of course, but if I was an ork BB player, I'd totally be picking it up and using it as a blitzer... that squig ball is just too great not to use
You know the main set comes with 2 ball squigs right?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Hmm... Varag is very mundane and low-key for an Orc. That's surprising, especially considering what his first and second incarnations were like, and especially after the great Zug mini we just got.
What a shame.
Agreed. He's not a bad sculpt, all in all, and had he been released with the last incarnation of Blood Bowl I would have snapped him up.
Compared to the new plastic Orcs, he's unimpressive. The detail is crisper, and the sculpts have more action and dynamism, on the plastic models.
TBH, I'm kind of glad because Varag's Star Player stats never really excited me as a player. Not that they were bad, but I wasn't particularly interested in fielding a tactically gifted orc--I like the ones that just pound in your face. If he had awesome rules, I would have been really tempted to buy one, despite a determinedly average sculpt.
zedmeister wrote:Dæmon, not so much. Has a whiff of Carden about it...
Oi, that's my line.
Joyboozer wrote:Am I the only one that thinks Varag looks like a lumpy piece of gak?
Zug is an amazing sculpt, Varag looks like a bad third party release.
IMO it's because he's so completely cluttered. There may be a distinctive pose and sense of movement under there (unlikely, but just for argument's sake) but in both of the viewpoints posted here it's broken up and obscured by a zillion bits of jagged, pointy armour; like some kind of disruption camo. I won't say the style of those previous Varag sculpts are much better, but at least the orc comes first.
I am expecting/hoping this Friday. That way any of the people who spent between £130 and £245 on a copy via eBay rather than £75 from FW can feel even more special, the
Looky Likey wrote: I am expecting/hoping this Friday. That way any of the people who spent between £130 and £245 on a copy via eBay rather than £75 from FW can feel even more special, the
The FW Facebook page said only 4 more sleeps until it was released.
Verviedi wrote: Well, Inferno's done. That means the book writing team is now working on FiresOfCyraxus?
Sorry, we need Raid on Kastorel-Novem 2nd edition first.
Then Badab War 2nd edition.
I would kill for Badab War 2nd Ed. Seriously, that was one of their absolute best works and now it was so quickly overshadowed by the Heresy. Such a shame! So many missed opportunities from FW.
It would be too much to ask for, but please FW, involve AD-B with the fluff of the Thramas campaign, if only for one or two more quotes or blurbs from Sev.
A book revolving around the White Scars and their Black Library arc (Scars and the Path of Heaven) would be one I personally welcome, as that series of books was one of the few arcs from start to finish I thoroughly enjoyed and did not feel like waste or filler at all.
Verviedi wrote: Well, Inferno's done. That means the book writing team is now working on FiresOfCyraxus?
Sorry, we need Raid on Kastorel-Novem 2nd edition first.
Then Badab War 2nd edition.
No, we just need Angelus, then they can do whatever the hell they want.
Bingo. Get us Angelus and FW's book writing teams are good to go for whatever 40K shenanigans you guys want.
Compromise:
Not until I have actual, updated rules for the Raptors Chapter.
How about we just get Bob the Web guy to slap a PDF of the Raptors rules on the webpage? That way the writing team doesn't have to get distracted from writing Fires.
Not until I have actual, updated rules for the Raptors Chapter.
How about we just get Bob the Web guy to slap a PDF of the Raptors rules on the webpage? That way the writing team doesn't have to get distracted from writing Fires.
They're up there currently.
They're just two SM codices and one rules set out of date.
BrookM wrote: A book revolving around the White Scars and their Black Library arc (Scars and the Path of Heaven) would be one I personally welcome, as that series of books was one of the few arcs from start to finish I thoroughly enjoyed and did not feel like waste or filler at all.
Yeah, and would be a good place to revisit the Emperors Children and Death Guard too.
BrookM wrote: A book revolving around the White Scars and their Black Library arc (Scars and the Path of Heaven) would be one I personally welcome, as that series of books was one of the few arcs from start to finish I thoroughly enjoyed and did not feel like waste or filler at all.
Yeah, and would be a good place to revisit the Emperors Children and Death Guard too.
Indeed, not to mention tackle one or two characters from other Legions tagging along and Slaaneshi daemons while we're at it.
Not until I have actual, updated rules for the Raptors Chapter.
How about we just get Bob the Web guy to slap a PDF of the Raptors rules on the webpage? That way the writing team doesn't have to get distracted from writing Fires.
They're up there currently.
They're just two SM codices and one rules set out of date.
Not until I have actual, updated rules for the Raptors Chapter.
as a matter of curiosity, I play Raptors chapter (Nth company, don't get me started...I added additional background )
what's not currently playable about Raptor rules? have I not been paying attention?
Actually, I think Raptors are still one of the mostly usable as-is ones from the pdf updates from years and years ago. Some Chapters weren't as lucky and are really rooted in past editions/codicies.
Ouch, Inferno is £80, but looking at the description it's about as meaty as Conquest is, which is also £80. I was expecting a special slipcase edition with a poster and reference sheets, but I guess that was a Conquest exclusive thing then.
BrookM wrote: Ouch, Inferno is £80, but looking at the description it's about as meaty as Conquest is, which is also £80. I was expecting a special slipcase edition with a poster and reference sheets, but I guess that was a Conquest exclusive thing then.
It will probably show up later once everybody has got this so they have to get it again
H.B.M.C. wrote: I heard that they had the choice between putting out that terrain piece again, or publishing the new IA... so they chose the terrain piece.
Blood...Blooood... Just release it, goddammit! I have the money now! Why must you do this to me, Forgeworld?!
Wow... first the Orc, now this Ogre... and just bad. They look like third party models. :( Zug is just so great looking. Dynamic with solid proportions and a cool look. These others just look like early 2000s models.
BrookM wrote: Ouch, Inferno is £80, but looking at the description it's about as meaty as Conquest is, which is also £80. I was expecting a special slipcase edition with a poster and reference sheets, but I guess that was a Conquest exclusive thing then.
It will probably show up later once everybody has got this so they have to get it again
That would be the first time FW have done so with a HH or IA book to my knowledge, the slipcase edition of IV and the leather ediiton of the legion astartes books both came out first/same time as the normal edition. I don't think GW have done that either with Codexes. Black Library have done something almost similar with the recent reissues of old books, but those are rather old.
With the first three books the big slipcase came with the last book in the series. I am surprised they haven't done one so far for the rest of the books, when I asked they said the first three were a trilogy so hence why they got a slipcase.
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