beast_gts wrote: This image has just started doing the rounds on FB:
Spoiler:
Oh my god. Never could have I imagined that the vehicle can be more lore breaking, more idiotically constructed, more generic and unoriginal than the horrid abomination of GW's repulsor.
Yet here we are with this essentially anti-grav baneblade that looks more like a kitbash than an actual proper model. Say what you will about FW but they do not fail to impress, at least from time to time.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Shall we start a betting pool as to how much that new beautiful monstrosity will cost? My wallet is already whimpering in anticipation.
Hopefully enough that I never, ever have to see it across from me on a table.
Oi! I don’t jump fads! My heart belongs to Fires Of Cyraxus, and it will not stray to other books, no matter how attractive. Fires Of Cyraxus gives me all I need, no other book can substitute.
Except for maybe “Codex: Peregrine Owns Your Wallet”.
The tank looks interesting, although as often is the case the photo angle and colour scheme don't seem to be doing it any favours. If FoC is on its way its going to make resisting the FWAM range even harder
Verviedi wrote: Oi! I don’t jump fads! My heart belongs to Fires Of Cyraxus, and it will not stray to other books, no matter how attractive. Fires Of Cyraxus gives me all I need, no other book can substitute.
Except for maybe “Codex: Peregrine Owns Your Wallet”.
Please don't. No.
Anyway, more Primaris vehicle options would be nice.
Especially their version of the Rhino.
Their lack of a viable affordable transport is shocking and sad!
Verviedi wrote: Oi! I don’t jump fads! My heart belongs to Fires Of Cyraxus, and it will not stray to other books, no matter how attractive. Fires Of Cyraxus gives me all I need, no other book can substitute.
Except for maybe “Codex: Peregrine Owns Your Wallet”.
Please don't. No.
Anyway, more Primaris vehicle options would be nice.
Especially their version of the Rhino.
Their lack of a viable affordable transport is shocking and sad!
MonkeyBallistic wrote: My initial reaction to the new tank was positive. However, the more I look at it, the less I like it.
It just looks far too generic sci fi tank to me. It could be from anywhere.
That's actually why I love this AND the Repulsor. They're generic enough that if I leave off the blatantly 40K markings, I can use them for a number of RPGs and other tabletops.
I am glad that Fires is coming out, but I am just not a fan of the big tanks. Definitely will not be picking this specific model up (but will get Fires) for my Tau.
Anyway, more Primaris vehicle options would be nice.
Especially their version of the Rhino.
Their lack of a viable affordable transport is shocking and sad!
If you're playing with friends or perhaps a club rather than PUGs at stores or tournaments, it's called a Rhino, and it's been available for years now.
gendoikari87 wrote: Are we SURE this is fires and that it's coming soon. Admech need it badly. It's cruel to keep teasing us.
What else is it gonna be? Red Scorpions are in Fires. This vehicle is painted in RS colours. It mentions a new book.
Nah, Fires of Cyraxus is still years away. This is the first of the prequel books, Kindling of Cyraxus.
insaniak wrote: That thing is going to be much harder to put tracks on than the Repulsor was...
Where we're going, we don't need roads tracks.
Spoiler:
Anyway, knowing my luck, that tank will end up being too expensive (either in dollars or points) that I won't be able to get/use it, just like the new Custodes flyer.
Azazelx wrote: If you're playing with friends or perhaps a club rather than PUGs at stores or tournaments, it's called a Rhino, and it's been available for years now.
"Just play the game however you want. Rules are meaningless!!!"
I wonder if it has any transport capacity? The back half under the turret almost looks like it could be some kind of swappable mission specific module.
Finally, a FoC update. Though I'm not really sold on this new Tau thing. Don't they usually have much curvier vehicle designs, kind of like Eldar without all the magic stones everywhere?
I think it looks great. It will make a fantastic conversion to my 30k Mechanicus army. Depending on the size it might replace Triaros Convaiers as a transporter. I can totally see Thallax rocking this as a ride no problem. If it's way to big then it will make a cool Super Heavy conversion for something or another.
Keep it up ForgeWorld. Also can we have official colours, history and Legio emblems about Legio Vulturum "Gore Crows" and Legio Kydianos "Death Cry" please ForgeWorld ?
Literally 3 vehicles smashed into one. Pretty half asses design like the Repulsor. It being forgeworld, its rules will be either way to good for its cost, or very crappy. they don't often have middle grounds.
I'm sure ill get one for completeness for my primaris only ultramarines
str00dles1 wrote: Literally 3 vehicles smashed into one. Pretty half asses design like the Repulsor. It being forgeworld, its rules will be either way to good for its cost, or very crappy. they don't often have middle grounds.
Jokes aside, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm thinking about when I complain that FW is 99% space marines of various colors. It's not a hideously ugly design, but it isn't great either. It doesn't fill a desperately-needed fluff role (and, arguably, it is a very un-fluffy idea), it doesn't fill a rules hole, and it isn't so spectacular a design that it just has to be done. It looks like exactly what you'd expect if you decide that you're doing nothing but space marines and need to have a new space marine release every week, regardless of whether or not you have a great idea for that new product. And it's really frustrating to see space marine players get mediocre release after mediocre release just to keep milking the cash cow, while those of us hoping for other stuff (including products announced years ago!) are ignored.
It looks like they mixed a bunch of CAD files together and slapped a Sicaran turret on it. . Ehhhh... I guess it gives Primaris Marines a big tank so it serves its purpose. Not a big fan, though.
Literally anything for any other army but Space Marines (god forbid a xenos race) would be much more interesting, although evidently that's not Forgeworld anymore.
JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Personally I love the fact that FoC is taking so long to come out. The longer FoC is not out, the longer there is a possibility that Mechanicus gets an army-wide Dogma that isn't complete and utter trash.
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Maybe it doesn’t take very long, but it’s extra work they weren’t expecting to have to do and has to be slotted into their work schedule somewhere.
Do you perhaps think Forgeworld writers sit around all day, waiting to be given something to do? They were a small team, stretched thin before they lost one of their most important members.
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Maybe it doesn’t take very long, but it’s extra work they weren’t expecting to have to do and has to be slotted into their work schedule somewhere.
Do you perhaps think Forgeworld writers sit around all day, waiting to be given something to do? They were a small team, stretched thin before they lost one of their most important members.
Forgeworld now includes the specialist studio. James Hewitt left them a while ago so it is possible they have poached one or more people from the forgeworld rules team. They have certainly poached some sculptors. Forgeworld is now In charge of heresy, bloodbowl, lotr, and the upcoming Necromunda and adeptus Titanicus games. It is easy to imagine that their own 40k stuff,which is supplementary to the main studio stuff unlike their other properties, might seem like less of a priority.
It doesn't have to be a huge priority to get it done, because this is not a huge project. If the book was already ready for 7th edition then the 8th edition rules update shouldn't take more than a day, a week at absolute most. And delaying some other release, which we don't even know about yet and can't be upset about missing, by a day to get a much-demanded book finished and ready to sell sounds like a much better idea than delaying it for months or more.
Mymearan wrote: The FW employee who is resposible for these new DKoK casts, specifically the at-ease guys, is saying on FB that he went and found all the original parts, re-moulded and cast them, and actually this version of the kit is better and more correct than the original one. Very cool.
Mymearan wrote: The FW employee who is resposible for these new DKoK casts, specifically the at-ease guys, is saying on FB that he went and found all the original parts, re-moulded and cast them, and actually this version of the kit is better and more correct than the original one. Very cool.
What happened to the original molds?
Probably just worn down and in need of replacing. Resin casting molds don't last forever.
Haighus wrote: I really hope so, they were some of the coolest models in the entire DKoK range. Also, I really think Heavy stubbers need to become a generic special weapon option for all Guard, they open up so many cool modelling opportunities. Currently is just Grenadiers with access to them for loyalists as far as I can tell.
I've wanted that for a long time, they look great and synergize well heavy bolters and other anti-infantry weapons.
Peregrine wrote: It doesn't have to be a huge priority to get it done, because this is not a huge project. If the book was already ready for 7th edition then the 8th edition rules update shouldn't take more than a day, a week at absolute most. And delaying some other release, which we don't even know about yet and can't be upset about missing, by a day to get a much-demanded book finished and ready to sell sounds like a much better idea than delaying it for months or more.
I didn't realise our forum had some people with amazing rules writing/balancing/book design skills. I trust you'll apply for a job at Forge World next time they'll advertise?
They aren't going to bring out a mech book without the core mech codex out. Same with Space Marines. They couldn't even fathom what the rules would be until both those codexes were ready for the printers. Not only that but imagine if you had a Forge World imperial armour book before your codex was released? It would make no sense at all from a sales perspective. Are Tau not the enemy in this book? I'd be surprised if the book was out before their core codex was out too.
Couple that with the death of Alan Bligh, I think you are being very unfair to the Forge World studio to suggest they sat on the book for months for no good reason.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if FW was waiting for the T'au codex release before writing their rules, especially after the mess of the index.
Kijamon wrote: I didn't realise our forum had some people with amazing rules writing/balancing/book design skills. I trust you'll apply for a job at Forge World next time they'll advertise?
FW/GW don't have people with amazing rules writing/balancing skills either. They constantly publish unbalanced and ambiguous garbage, presumably with little or no playtesting that would catch things like conscript spam or the various day-1 FAQ problems. We aren't talking about a company like WOTC, with months-long development schedules because of extensive playtesting and a proper design process, the quality of work involved is barely better than the average fan-made rules. Give me the 7th edition copy of FoC and I'll have an 8th edition copy for you by the end of the week. And it would probably be at least as good as what we're eventually going to get in the official book.
And no, I'm not going to apply. I'd either get fired for refusing to comply with the culture of incompetence and "casual at all costs" idiocy at GW, or get fired when some less-incompetent management finally realized it's time to start doing better and hire real game designers.
They aren't going to bring out a mech book without the core mech codex out. Same with Space Marines. They couldn't even fathom what the rules would be until both those codexes were ready for the printers. Not only that but imagine if you had a Forge World imperial armour book before your codex was released? It would make no sense at all from a sales perspective. Are Tau not the enemy in this book? I'd be surprised if the book was out before their core codex was out too.
If that's the case then they can just say "it will be out a week after the Tau codex"* and get everyone to stop worrying about it. At least then we'd know that there's a plan in place and a release date in mind. We wouldn't have this ridiculous open-ended schedule and vague statements about "updating for 8th edition" anymore.
*Yes, printing times and all, but those same times apply for the codex too. FoC should be finished a day after the Tau codex is final and sent to the printers.
The fact that the Krieg Quartermaster is actually a guy who goes around reclaiming equipment from dead/dying soldiers is part of the theme of the Kriegers.
40k has a long tradition of talking uncool rear line type jobs and making them bad-donkeys. Look at Space Marine Chaplains and Librarians or IG preachers.
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
How about the lead writer suffering from, and then dying from cancer?
I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
Verviedi wrote: I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
its got an anti gravity system so it might can be dropped from orbit the way the repulsor should be able to but isn't
Verviedi wrote: I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
It sort of fits alongside Guilliman's return and the higher reliance on larger, multi chapter Space Marine campaigns. This new Superheavy is a sort of throwback to the pre-heresy Legions and their use of the Superheavies - less rapid strike and more heavy shock assault
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
How about the lead writer suffering from, and then dying from cancer?
That a good enough reason?
It's pretty unpleasant that people keep throwing that in people's faces, using it as a rhetorical tool.
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
I think people overestimate GW's size. Just because it's the "biggest in the industry" doesn't mean it's Exxon Mobil or General Electric.
Take away the staff in the stores, etc.., the Nottingham Headquarter isn't that big. There're maybe 3-6 background writers in GW main at any given time and maybe 2 or so for Forge World. Plus maybe the odd rules writer (also maybe around 5 guys), White Dwarf guy or Graphics guy occasionally pitching in. Possibly some outsourcing to former GW employees or freelancers in a pinch (but secrecy and all that ...).
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
I think people overestimate GW's size. Just because it's the "biggest in the industry" doesn't mean it's Exxon Mobil or General Electric.
Take away the staff in the stores, etc.., the Nottingham Headquarter isn't that big. There're maybe 3-6 background writers in GW main at any given time and maybe 2 or so for Forge World. Plus maybe the odd rules writer (also maybe around 5 guys), White Dwarf guy or Graphics guy occasionally pitching in. Possibly some outsourcing to former GW employees or freelancers in a pinch (but secrecy and all that ...).
Yeah, people are far too unrealistic about the whole thing. And besides all the above, at the end of the day, stuff gets released when it’s released.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
To see some people in this thread throwing tantrums about it and lambasting FW for writing terrible books, while on the other hand stamping their feet because they want it NOW! is cringe inducing.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
That is just not how a good business conducts itself. They don't owe us, but they should be significantly better about informing us and keeping us happy. We are that which keeps them in business. Pissing off your fanbase is not a good business decision, usually. So it works both ways. They give us info, we get excited, they release that product, we buy it.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
I see them. I also see <Fly> as a likely keyword, as well as titantic, and think Necron Pylons hitting them on 2s and one shotting them to be very, very hilarious.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
It literally isn't, also 'soon' isn't a quantifiable time frame.
Also, Mr Bligh died of cancer when he was not expected to die from cancer. Mr Hoare went to Specialist Games and Mr Wylie was tasked with converting everything over to 8th for 40k. That's the 'holy trinity' of FW writers. This isn't a warehouse of people, that's the trinity. They have an understudy, Emma, who's been learning the craft. But that's prettymuch it.
So, there's a wait. It's not what I want either, but it's a small company within a company and you can either wait for it or ragequit. I know I'm more than happy to sit tight and I'm keen as mustard to have my Dark Mechanicum list already.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
I'm not sure you grasp how blindingly hostile this attitude is.
"Out soon" is a promise, a two year delay on that is a broken promise, and you're exhibiting withering contempt for people daring to be upset and complain.
I’m not meaning to be hostile, so I apologise if anyone feels that way.
Being disappointed about a book not being released is fine. Claiming you’re entitled to them releasing it now, and calling the writers and creators at FW incompetent is a step to far though.
I’m pretty sure everyone would have been furious had it been released in March, only to be invalidated within 8 weeks. The same issue exists now, the Tau codex may not have been written yet. That could really upset the FoC apple cart. For all we know GW could have put a moratorium on FW releasing new books until the dust settles on 8th. They’d be well within their rights, and to be honest, quite sensible to do so.
FW may have teased the book a little early, but let’s be fair to them, the key writer died, and they were handed a new brief to create games and rules for specialist games. By the time it was ready 8th had hit so then had all sorts of rewrites etc to do.
To be fair it looks a lot better in these pictures than it did in the leak though. Still don’t like it though.
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
Did you not see the guns covering it? The 12 Shots is just the main gun.
This tank is ugly, but in a good way. I need one to go with the Repulsors I will eventually get. Scythes of the Emperor Armored Strike Force here I come.
I see them. I also see <Fly> as a likely keyword, as well as titantic, and think Necron Pylons hitting them on 2s and one shotting them to be very, very hilarious.
Did you not read the article at all?
Its 12 shots for each barrel. So 24 -2 damage 3 shots. Id guess its STR 8 though possibly 9.
Then you can take 2 of the large plasma guns from the Primaris dread. So d6 plasma shots each at STR8/9 -4 1/2 damage. OR las rippers. Then it has a heavy bolter and some other minor weapons.
Also its not getting one shotted most likely as it states it has some type of void shields to stop the strongest attacks. It can move and shoot without a -1 and flys.
Its depends on its point cost. Id hope for nothing more then 450 but who knows. But it has descent weapons
What? It doesn't sound incredibly good, at all. 12 Shots is okay, but if it doesn't have more guns or more firing options, the thing is going to do nothing against the very rampant "horde" armies that most people use currently.
In the article it says it has a pair of the guns and they fire 12 shots each. It also mentions sponson mounted "las-rippers" or "plasma eradicators," plus it appears to have a twin heavy bolter on the nose. They also mentioned a storm bolter on the back (adorable).So its going to firing between 30 and 40 shots a turn most likely.
As for horde, they also mentioned that it has a repulsor field that reduces charge range, and they aluded to it giving a benefit in CC. It can also fallback and shoot, so you aren't tying it up anytime soon.
It really is a super heavy hovering Sicaran, especially with those turret guns I wonder if we will see versions of its ancestors variants as well?
On the book front IMO either the Tau codex is out soon(at this stage I'd count early next year as soon) with FoC not far behind, or FW have another book on its way with this beasty in it.
Also said its grav does damage to Flying units which charge it.
From the video using the primaris and measuring the same primaris to my baneblade it looks to be the same overall height (in fact front of track guard is exactly same height as front of track guard on a baneblade) a third thinner at the front than a baneblade (under three primaris wide while baneblade is 4) but the tank is slightly longer than a baneblade.
Yes, fellas, yes. I saw the video before the article was out. Video was posted here when I first responded, got the notification from youtube and watched it, then posted.
I apologize for not reading the article before I had access to it.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
You're drawing an artificial distinction between "disappointment" and "dissatisfaction" in order to try and get other people to stop expressing their opinions. "Entitlement" is a nonsense, and so is your complaint.
It looks like they mashed together two different kits they were working on and called it a day. On the bright side, it doesn't look like just another land raider variant.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
You're drawing an artificial distinction between "disappointment" and "dissatisfaction" in order to try and get other people to stop expressing their opinions. "Entitlement" is a nonsense, and so is your complaint.
gentlemen, nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, and we're all gonna die.... go play a game?
To be honest the Red Scorpion paint job didn't help it at all, but looking at the video I quite like the Astraeus now. It looks like you can swap the Heavy Bolters for Las-cannons like on the Repulsor.
I like the look of the tank, with a solid paintjob it looks a lot better. But a resin vehicle of that size is a big no no for me. I tend to like resin for characters or smaller models. But resin vehicles are not only a pain if there's warping, a pain to assemble and hold together. They also break easier when dropped and cost a crazy amount of money. So cool model, but it's never going to find it's way onto my table.
I find it wierd considering how crazily gunned up the Repulsor is for close quarters self-defense against any assailants that want to get close, this big ass tank that would probably benefit a lot more logically from mass close quarter small arms defensive weaponry, has practically none just from looking at it..!
To me, this sculpt is inferior to something like a Spartan or a Mastodon.
It just does not look "right" to me. It looks almost not belonging to an human faction. But then again, is the same impression I have for the other Primaris Hovering Tank.
I am really happy with the appearance of the new Super Heavy. It definitely takes the Repulsor aesthetic and makes it actually look cohesive and decent. The weapons look pretty cool. I love that it has giant versions of the accelerator cannons from the Sicaran. I can't wait to see the stats. This might be my first big Forgeworld tank.
I think this is the first time i have ever seen an SM thread be so woefully out of date on a title change, and what's up with the lack of pics?
Pretty lukewarm reception, cause I think that tank looks pretty cool overall... although the shoehorned LR front and sicarran turret are a bit out of place to the rest of the design, I still think it looks decent. I for one am very happy SM are going back to the glory days of smooth, tech oriented appearances and more miliatry as opposed to skull bedazzled space monks of skulls. It's a good thing to me.
For something that looks Mastodon sized, and like a suped-up Repulsor, I'm confused why it has nil transport capacity. Why is it bigger then? What inside it that takes up all that space?
GenRifDrake wrote: I find it wierd considering how crazily gunned up the Repulsor is for close quarters self-defense against any assailants that want to get close, this big ass tank that would probably benefit a lot more logically from mass close quarter small arms defensive weaponry, has practically none just from looking at it..!
It has at least two: The rear mounted Storm Bolter mentioned and the turret Stubber that you can see in the article pictures.
GenRifDrake wrote: I find it wierd considering how crazily gunned up the Repulsor is for close quarters self-defense against any assailants that want to get close, this big ass tank that would probably benefit a lot more logically from mass close quarter small arms defensive weaponry, has practically none just from looking at it..!
It has at least two: The rear mounted Storm Bolter mentioned and the turret Stubber that you can see in the article pictures.
They also talk about an advanced Repulsor field that crushes stuff that gets too close.
FrothingMuppet wrote: For something that looks Mastodon sized, and like a suped-up Repulsor, I'm confused why it has nil transport capacity. Why is it bigger then? What inside it that takes up all that space?
Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
You honestly think they’ve taken the writers of FoC away from their keyboards and made them sculpt Legion doors for Rhinos?
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
You honestly think they’ve taken the writers of FoC away from their keyboards and made them sculpt Legion doors for Rhinos?
Sure! They have been all given crash course in how to sculpt rhino doors
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
You honestly think they’ve taken the writers of FoC away from their keyboards and made them sculpt Legion doors for Rhinos?
Sure! They have been all given crash course in how to sculpt rhino doors
I'm going to keep repeating this [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
FrothingMuppet wrote: For something that looks Mastodon sized, and like a suped-up Repulsor, I'm confused why it has nil transport capacity. Why is it bigger then? What inside it that takes up all that space?
I thought this too, and my only guess is that it needs one stonking big reactor to power the two void shield projectors it has, along with the rest of it's anti-gravity systems to just keep it floating.. xD
GenRifDrake wrote: I find it wierd considering how crazily gunned up the Repulsor is for close quarters self-defense against any assailants that want to get close, this big ass tank that would probably benefit a lot more logically from mass close quarter small arms defensive weaponry, has practically none just from looking at it..!
It has at least two: The rear mounted Storm Bolter mentioned and the turret Stubber that you can see in the article pictures.
They also talk about an advanced Repulsor field that crushes stuff that gets too close.
I did notice they mention a storm bolter at the rear yes, and the little heavy stubber that I don't really class as a proper close quarters defensive weapon because whatever it's pointing at, so does the big ass guns. xD And yes it has the grav field mentioned, but that i'm going to assume is melee range deterence, unless that thing can actually project grav shockwaves from those things to form a ranged attack, that would be cool... But I meant more like, the Repulsor's little side and rear turret stations seem rather ideal and sensible inclusion for small arms fire defense against flanking attacks from infantry that might try to get cheeky rocket launcher shots on it etc. Therefore didn't make too much sense to me why this even bigger target lacks a lot more in that department, but I suppose when you're void shielded and massively armoured, perhaps you just stop caring about what the little guy can do..?
I rather like how the big floaty thing looks personally. The rear of the vehicle especially, behnd the Repulsor nose. It does look like it oculd be converted into a cargo container craft very easily.
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
You honestly think they’ve taken the writers of FoC away from their keyboards and made them sculpt Legion doors for Rhinos?
Sure! They have been all given crash course in how to sculpt rhino doors
I'm going to keep repeating this [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
That is why Fires of Cyraxus is delayed. Get over yourselves.
The current team can't get the work done? When I have a team member go on a vacation, the department doesn't crumble in their absence. I appreciate your logic, but a business doesn't usually come to a grinding halt when a member leaves.
And you'd think there were formulas to get it ported to 8th, since it seemed ready for 7th but was delayed for (seemingly) 8th release. Just a weird turn of events with FoC. I wonder if they are aware of all the salty folks waiting for it.
Plus, in my specific instance, Writers had nothing to do with my decals going to the printers.
On topic, wow.... those Iron Warrior doors are actually kinda nice. Got that Legion vibe.
Peregrine wrote: Oh yay, another mediocre space marine release, because the existing doors aren't enough. But surely the delays with FoC and neglected factions are an acceptable price to pay for more doors.
You honestly think they’ve taken the writers of FoC away from their keyboards and made them sculpt Legion doors for Rhinos?
Sure! They have been all given crash course in how to sculpt rhino doors
I'm going to keep repeating this [MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]
That is why Fires of Cyraxus is delayed. Get over yourselves.
You really, really need to stop using someone's death as a rhetorical tool to try to make people feel bad. It's really ugly, and tries to bludgeon aside actual arguments with emotional manipulation.
Hollow wrote: I really like it There is something Command and Conquer about it.
THATS what it is! I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much, but you nailed it. It's ugly, but in a Tiberian Sun kinda way. Yep, I'm getting one!
Hollow wrote: I really like it There is something Command and Conquer about it.
THATS what it is! I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much, but you nailed it. It's ugly, but in a Tiberian Sun kinda way. Yep, I'm getting one!
i think it's more supreme commander... specifically the earth alliance forces big hover tank
I am loving the look of it the more I see, especially from alternate angles.. I just wonder how i'll fit one into my lists as I can't imagine the cost it'll have with those cannons, void shielding, and being super heavy hull..!
I like the new space marine hover tank. It looks advanced, yet still maintains that harsh imperial aesthetic.
Not going to get it, because I don't play marines, but I think they did a good job on it.
I personally am digging the SH tank, almost reminds me of a land bound SM flyer with its blocky design. Very imperial to me.
Also I promise it can definitely be shot off the board first turn, I've seen it happen and done it to knights, baneblades, mastodons, fellblades, all sort of big nasties. Heck I had a mastodon blown off the table on the first turn 4 out of 5 games I rolled it in. Void shields are basically a invuln that can save vs mortal & degrades as you taken damage as well so the more damge it takemthe more vulnerable it becomes.
Big models are pretty vulnerable this edition vs a good TAC list.
Yeah, IDK, that transition point looks designed to snap in half... IDK, a lot of recent FW things have felt a bit like they're trying to combine two styles and it ends up looking like a kitbash.
Also, any heavy antigrav thing needs to compare to the caestus, and I don't think it can...
Hollow wrote: I really like it There is something Command and Conquer about it.
THATS what it is! I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much, but you nailed it. It's ugly, but in a Tiberian Sun kinda way. Yep, I'm getting one!
i think it's more supreme commander... specifically the earth alliance forces big hover tank
I'm perpetually baffled by this kind of response. I'm not getting at you or saying it's an invalid response, before anyone starts, I just find it confusing. "This thing looks like it belongs in a completely different IP...I'll take two please!".
Hollow wrote: I really like it There is something Command and Conquer about it.
THATS what it is! I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much, but you nailed it. It's ugly, but in a Tiberian Sun kinda way. Yep, I'm getting one!
i think it's more supreme commander... specifically the earth alliance forces big hover tank
I'm perpetually baffled by this kind of response. I'm not getting at you or saying it's an invalid response, before anyone starts, I just find it confusing. "This thing looks like it belongs in a completely different IP...I'll take two please!".
Having a vibe of something else or ‘there’s something a bit ... about it’ isn’t the same thing as it looks like it belongs in a different IP (or it doesn’t look like it belongs in this IP).
I love it. I went back and forth on the new plastic gravtank, but I think it's due to the overabundance of little guns all over it, stripped down it looks good and this looks great, freed up from drowning in skulls, purity seals, banners and other garbage. And I think that's primarily whats been drawing me to the primaris in general, I mean that last terminator chaplain, I actually laughed at it with all it's 'flair', it looked like it had been tp'd at halloween... But the stripped down, hi tech marines and tanks in the primaris range are really working for me.
Further, as to it looking the part, I am reminded of the SM battle barge a lot when I see it, and that's a major plus.
LexOdin9 wrote: Cawl's been stealing Tau designs again, hasn't he?
nothing about this tank screams Tau. Not really anything else from the Primaris line does either.
Pretty sure that was a quip about stealing from the Gundam Anime, as White Base was referenced, and Tau are likened to mecha anime protags.
But on topic.... not a fan. It just seems wonky, and why do the primaris need a new super-heavy? They have access to all the previous toys that Space Marines had.
But on topic.... not a fan. It just seems wonky, and why do the primaris need a new super-heavy? They have access to all the previous toys that Space Marines had.
Probably because FW wanted to/were told to get on the Primaris train. But there not allowed/didn't want to step on the main studio's toes with a regular sized tank or infantry accessories, until the Primaris line is more fleshed out.
But on topic.... not a fan. It just seems wonky, and why do the primaris need a new super-heavy? They have access to all the previous toys that Space Marines had.
Probably because FW wanted to/were told to get on the Primaris train. But there not allowed/didn't want to step on the main studio's toes with a regular sized tank or infantry accessories, until the Primaris line is more fleshed out.
Yeah, I figure this was designed to a brief from the main studio, which is why it lacks the flair of earlier FW stuff. Competent, but not "Wow"! My impression is a lot of the classic FW designs were created from a "wouldn't it be cool if" conversation, with rules and army alignment coming later.
LexOdin9 wrote: Cawl's been stealing Tau designs again, hasn't he?
nothing about this tank screams Tau. Not really anything else from the Primaris line does either.
Pretty sure that was a quip about stealing from the Gundam Anime, as White Base was referenced, and Tau are likened to mecha anime protags.
But on topic.... not a fan. It just seems wonky, and why do the primaris need a new super-heavy? They have access to all the previous toys that Space Marines had.
Well that makes sense.
I think if they make the back portion look more cohesive with the front, it wouldn't be as jarring. I would have liked it more if the Grav panels in the back faced forward and backward (kind of hard to explain). I dunno. I still like it, and honestly other than the Grav panels, it isn't really that out of place with the regular SM stuff. If it had a set of treads in the front and a set on each side in the back, this would fit right in with the pre-Primaris stuff.
I am interested to see what all the different weapon options are. Those heavy bolters in the front likely can be exchanged for Lascannons. Hopefully the heavy stubber can be replaced with a Onslaught Gatling Cannon. Obviously want to learn more about its main cannons and those Lascannon or Plasma sponsons.
One of my associates posted this in our group. And I have to say, it does sort of give off that 80's design. I still don't like it, but I can see why some people do.
Platuan4th wrote: Except that the specific Thundertank box used in that 'shop is from the 2011 reboot line NOT the 80's show.
So, it looks like early 2010's design?
I wasn't referencing the actual Thundertank art on the box, but remembering the old Thundertank from the original show.... the fact that the new one is there escaped my sight.
Platuan4th wrote: Except that the specific Thundertank box used in that 'shop is from the 2011 reboot line NOT the 80's show.
So, it looks like early 2010's design?
I wasn't referencing the actual Thundertank art on the box, but remembering the old Thundertank from the original show.... the fact that the new one is there escaped my sight.
Personally, it actually looks more like the newer one than the older one, though.
I don't really like it. Not going to post funny remarks or memes, just why it looks off to me.
It doesn't look like it comes from an STC at all. Or share much of the same design language as the other SM vehicles do. (Same reason the Mastadon looks off to me, but that isn't as far off) It really does look like a kitbash (well executed) of another tank with SM details
The good-
The nose pods share the same slope and inset panel of most SM vehicles, with the light arrays being standard (though there is a cut into the slope leading to the lights, while most others do not). The skull dome on the inside looks out of place though, as it should be either lower mounted to match the repulsor, or much larger to imply a larger generator.
The repulsor panels are the same as the... Repulsor, and resemble a cross between rhino tracks at the tips, and land speeder grav plates and underbelly. They are in large angular fittings, unlike the inset rounded fixtures of the repulsor.
The central nose looks like a blend of the Sicaran/Proteus grill and heavy bolter mount.
The meh-
The turret tries to blend the blocky (overstuffed) style of the repulsor with the more typical turrets of the caladius or sicaran, and makes a mess of it. It is too narrow for it's length (repulsor is basically a square with stowage, sicaran and fellblade are domes, predator is a slightly stretched octagon)
The guns are mixed as well- the mounts are oversized sicaran cannons, but with angular cowls instead of the rounded ones of the Sicaran and Caladius. The base of the barrel looks like a bunch of arachnus blaze cannon styling on top of the acellerator autocannons. Still, I rather like the cannons.
Side sponsons. They actually look really cool. I'd love them if they were on say the fire raptor, fell blade, or spartan. But they are mounted high and forward, so the cylinder breaks up the top hull, and the shape of the weapon itself would scream multi-melta if you didn't see the barrel tips. Also, they are mostly rounded and cylindrical while the main turret shrouds are faceted, and everything besides the engine cowls and ammo drums are highly angular, so they look out of place.
The bad-
The upper hull. The nose is fine, right til it reaches up past the top of the hull to form a spine. Then dips in for an unnessecary inset and back out for more spine, which widens out to the rear. And there are a lot of vents and periscopes and pipes protruding out of the top, while nearly all SM vehicles are basically flat with a small terrace for the hull roof (usually where the turret/hatches go and which is often fared into armor panels on the sides) with panels and details inset into it.
The Mastadon has a large bunker on top but generally follows the same rough look. The Storm Bird does share the central spine with flat panels to the sides, but the Storm Bird also looks like a ton of extra panels slapped on the sides and top of a servicable thunderhawk.
The ugly-
The rear repulsors. Too many angles perpendicular to the rest of the tank. SM designs are angular in the front, less so in the rear, and basically slab sided. Top corners are usually slanted off, and even aircraft with slanted wings or upper hull keep those parts a solid piece. The rear of this thing look like the front corner of a proper SM tank, with inset panel, jammed up with six others and then put sideways and under the main body. And to add insult, a slightly off looking void shield generator is mounted at a slant, hand rails added above, and the repulsors vertical engines are flipped on their sides and put on the back.
Too many extra angles and bits, and facing wrong directions.
I don't have photoshop, but there are a few fixes to solve most of these problems though.
First, instead of a central spine, keep the hull on the front engine pods going up as well and then back at the same level. This will make the cylinders and much of the protruding vents go away, make the hull wider towards the rear, and eliminate the hand rails on the sides. add some insets with vents and mechanical parts. Doing this would also make the widened rear into a small terrace for the turret to sit on like other SM tanks.
Widen the main turret, and either add a second hatch, or make the top hatch more solidly a part of the turret.
Remove the rear repulsors and engines. Angle up the belly along with the front engines, and then flat towards the rear, similar to the storm raven/thunderhawk. Instead, add a second pod to the rear sides like on the front, with vertical slopes, larger versions of the repulsors vertical engines, and possibly a second set of sponsons. You get rid of a ton of odd angles, vertical engines tie into the repulsor, and the general shape will be more like the mastadon.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I like the new space marine hover tank. It looks advanced, yet still maintains that harsh imperial aesthetic.
Not going to get it, because I don't play marines, but I think they did a good job on it.
Can't decide if I like it or not.
I am impressed its not got 300 guns like the Repulsor and the turret is very nice. The whole thing reminds me more of a Centurion grav tank form the game of the same name by FASA (yeah I am that old).
BrookM wrote: I wonder how big a crew sits in that things, with all those vision ports.
Probably still only three or four, five tops, they'll largely be back-up for when the cameras are knocked out I'll wager.
I reckon a driver, gunner, Techmarine servicing the plant and grav-generators, and probably a secondary gunner too. Maybe a commander. Bearing in mind two Marines adequately pilot a Predator to a high degree of efficiency with sponsons (vs 6 Guardsmen for a Leman Russ with sponsons).
I dig it, and I think it's precisely because it doesn't quite fit any one existing aesthetic.
That helps it occupy it's place as something entirely new to the Imperial arsenal, rather than some long forgotten relic that Cawl has dug up from the Heresy (could still be STC of course!)
And I do like that concept. I feel it helps set the narrative that Guilliman has launched a second Great Crusade. And just like his father's efforts, he's backing that up with brand new weapons and warriors.
Just remember, Forge World's large models are often clunky blocks of resin that didn't shrink evenly in the mold and will be difficult to put together correctly without brass rod, epoxy resin, and lots of gap filling. Seriously, Forge World has some of the most terrible quality control issues I've ever seen in resin casting.
Breotan wrote: Just remember, Forge World's large models are often clunky blocks of resin that didn't shrink evenly in the mold and will be difficult to put together correctly without brass rod, epoxy resin, and lots of gap filling. Seriously, Forge World has some of the most terrible quality control issues I've ever seen in resin casting.
I was under the impression that was mainly only an issue in older molds- the new molds are generally ok for a couple of years.
On that FW doors page there are:
Dark Angels Legion Deimos Rhino Doors
Dark Angels Chapter Repulsor Doors
Dark Angels Land Raider Doors
Older designs
Dark Angels Rhino Doors and Front Plate
Dark Angels Land Raider Doors
If they are not failing with their naming conventions, the upper list has Legion and Chapter doors and another set with an eight point emblem that is neither Legion or Chapter. I doubt that the eight point emblem is on there accidentally...
It's an iron halo, and a common SM design element for decades... I dunno, it's sunburst inspired in the first place. If it is a little not towards edging towards chaos in the heresy, all the better though, as it can arguably work both ways. I think it is a clever use overall.
PS - The Rolling Thunder was THE GAK back in the day!
PPS - Staring at the tank a bit more, I still like it overall, and like this aesthetic direction they are going in (a lot less skull/gothic/tomb, a lot more military/futuristic), it is bugging me a bit that it is so huge in footprint with such a tiny turret comparatively... at the size it is it just looks like it has HUGE transport capacity, for it to have none seems weird design wise. I think it would have been a good move on their part to either upsize the turret or shrink the body, particularly the back, to balance things out a bit more.
If it had split tracks like the mastodon I'd be ALL over it. Absolutely all over it. It would look like a bit of a rip off of the scorpion from Halo but I wouldn't care.... Not into this grav tank style thing going on personally, leave that to the tau and eldar, marines and guard should have tracks.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: If it had split tracks like the mastodon I'd be ALL over it. Absolutely all over it. It would look like a bit of a rip off of the scorpion from Halo but I wouldn't care.... Not into this grav tank style thing going on personally, leave that to the tau and eldar, marines and guard should have tracks.
PPS - Staring at the tank a bit more, I still like it overall, and like this aesthetic direction they are going in (a lot less skull/gothic/tomb, a lot more military/futuristic), it is bugging me a bit that it is so huge in footprint with such a tiny turret comparatively... at the size it is it just looks like it has HUGE transport capacity, for it to have none seems weird design wise. I think it would have been a good move on their part to either upsize the turret or shrink the body, particularly the back, to balance things out a bit more.
I think the problem is that the front of it looks like it was going to have a Land Raider-style assault ramp, until they changed their minds at the last minute and then didn't bother to redesign the front half to accommodate the change. Overall, I still like it.
Its NOT an Iron Halo. If you google iron halo in google images, every image shown is a 12 rayed star or a part of a 12 rayed star. There are no 8 rayed versions of the Iron Halo.
The Rhino on the Heresy page below set has a partial 12 ray star on the front plate. Its possible that GW screwed the ray count on the Land Raider door pieces, but that would not be terribly normal for them.
MajorTom11 wrote: It's an iron halo, and a common SM design element for decades... I dunno, it's sunburst inspired in the first place. If it is a little not towards edging towards chaos in the heresy, all the better though, as it can arguably work both ways. I think it is a clever use overall.
MajorTom11 wrote: It's an iron halo, and a common SM design element for decades... I dunno, it's sunburst inspired in the first place. If it is a little not towards edging towards chaos in the heresy, all the better though, as it can arguably work both ways. I think it is a clever use overall.
PS - The Rolling Thunder was THE GAK back in the day!
PPS - Staring at the tank a bit more, I still like it overall, and like this aesthetic direction they are going in (a lot less skull/gothic/tomb, a lot more military/futuristic), it is bugging me a bit that it is so huge in footprint with such a tiny turret comparatively... at the size it is it just looks like it has HUGE transport capacity, for it to have none seems weird design wise. I think it would have been a good move on their part to either upsize the turret or shrink the body, particularly the back, to balance things out a bit more.
I still like it, Rolling Thunder ftw!
I figured that the rear hull was some massive reactors/capacitors/grav coils, but with all the armour plating you can't see it. Aesthetically the design would work better if these were more exposed, as your eyes would then know what all the bulk was for, but the armour makes more sense from a functional point of view. Having said that, we haven't got a full 360 yet, so that may change from other angles.
On Thursday at 4:00 pm, we’ll be checking in with Tony Cottrell, head of the Forge World studio. While we can’t reveal what he’ll be showing off, we can guarantee it’ll be awesome – would you expect anything else from the team that brought you the Horus Heresy?
Somebody mentioned that at the heresy weekender they spoke with a designer that confirmed he was done (or pretty much done). I believe it was in the same post they mentioned a designer talking about a primaris super heavy.
I kinda like the tank. The two issues I see are pain scheme (it looks like something from Star Wars) and the messy middle section. There's just not enough clear space on the hull for all the fine detail elsewhere to breathe.
I think we won't hear much about AT before 2018. Necromunda was already fully announced and there should be some more articles about it after Shadespire (probably in mid November). Then it and Blood Bowl will be the focus of advertisement until spring 2018 and a Warhammer World event. AT might get the same release spot as BB and Necromunda, so late 2018 is my current guess for its release. I expect something we havent seen before.
I'd be so happy if it was Adeptus Titanicus - and even more so if it was a true and proper return of Epic, the only real scale that makes sense for 'mass battles' as GW would like us to play them, with Titans and Super-Heavies and what not!
Yeah, Dorn has been finished for awhile and Alpharius is what they're working on. If Dorn comes out soon and isn't one of the 2, maybe we'll see Sanguinius or the Lion.
Wait, does that mean only 2 primarchs for the entire year? Or at least 2 primarchs? It seems to me a bit underwhelming, only 2 characters models for a whole year.
Wait, does that mean only 2 primarchs for the entire year? Or at least 2 primarchs? It seems to me a bit underwhelming, only 2 characters models for a whole year.
Two Primarchs next year. That doesn't mean that is it for characters next year though.
Wait, does that mean only 2 primarchs for the entire year? Or at least 2 primarchs? It seems to me a bit underwhelming, only 2 characters models for a whole year.
He said at least 2 primarchs for 2018. He was also just asked about Alpharius, and he said something along the lines that they'll eventually do it. Didn't sound like it was one of those two.
Wait, does that mean only 2 primarchs for the entire year? Or at least 2 primarchs? It seems to me a bit underwhelming, only 2 characters models for a whole year.
There’s not usually, if ever, more than 2 primarchs a year...
Wait, does that mean only 2 primarchs for the entire year? Or at least 2 primarchs? It seems to me a bit underwhelming, only 2 characters models for a whole year.
He said at least 2 primarchs for 2018. He was also just asked about Alpharius, and he said something along the lines that they'll eventually do it. Didn't sound like it was one of those two.
They obviously didn’t want to say which ones were coming, or they would have, so I don’t think you can tell either way. They mentioned Alpharius was after Dorn at an event though.
djones520 wrote: I'm betting it'll be Dorn and Johnson. I think Alpharius and Sanguinius are the two most anticipated, so will be the last two done.
They already stated in August at the Forge World open day in August that they're well into the work on Alpharius. He will be the one after Dorn. After that I'm expecting Sanguinius as the stuff they've put out that will be in Angelus like the new Sicarans have been in Blood Angel colors. Plus the Blood Angels have their transfers out while we're still waiting on the Dark Angels ones.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: Age of Darkness Rulebook prototype shown - more info on it next week. Out soon!
Huzah! Looking forward to it.
Me too. I have a couple of major 30k projects on hold for that rulebook.
Well I have no major projects on hold due to that rulebook but just due to general lazyness(or rather going through my pile of unread japanese books. Figured I might want to try to make a dent to that before next trip least I buy more books in a year than I read!). But really need to get working on those blood angels(now about that primarch model...). Got them, got the airbrush paints for them, then blam complete painting freeze. Beah!
Oh and also I would like to get those custodians painted. I rather like how liquid gold from vallejo works. PAin in the ass to work with but stunning gold.
Oh and also I would like to get those custodians painted. I rather like how liquid gold from vallejo works. PAin in the ass to work with but stunning gold.
It isn't too bad if you just have a dedicated set-up for it. Plus, if you haven't thrown an agitator into your pot, do it asap. I have a few iron tacks in mine and it keeps it from caking on the bottom.
A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
They did WHAT? Sorry about offtopic but this is actually rather big news for me. They really stopped doing it? No more? Are there alternatives or should I go to local paintstore(that on spring had lots of them) and get several bottles for ready?
em_en_oh_pee wrote: A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
They did WHAT? Sorry about offtopic but this is actually rather big news for me. They really stopped doing it? No more? Are there alternatives or should I go to local paintstore(that on spring had lots of them) and get several bottles for ready?
Doesn’t look like they’re gone; maybe someone got confused because they moved from the model paints catalogue to the fine arts catalogue?
em_en_oh_pee wrote: A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
They did WHAT? Sorry about offtopic but this is actually rather big news for me. They really stopped doing it? No more? Are there alternatives or should I go to local paintstore(that on spring had lots of them) and get several bottles for ready?
Doesn’t look like they’re gone; maybe someone got confused because they moved from the model paints catalogue to the fine arts catalogue?
army painters gold is much better imo. And I know alclad makes a super top notch gold. Everything else I use valejo air. Be ready if you go army painter it needs a fair bit of flow improver if you want to airbrush it on. Don't airbrush alclads stuff indoors either
Automatically Appended Next Post: I mean if you WANT brain damage go ahead and airbrush alclad indoors
em_en_oh_pee wrote: A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
They did WHAT? Sorry about offtopic but this is actually rather big news for me. They really stopped doing it? No more? Are there alternatives or should I go to local paintstore(that on spring had lots of them) and get several bottles for ready?
Doesn’t look like they’re gone; maybe someone got confused because they moved from the model paints catalogue to the fine arts catalogue?
Phew. One reason I liked going to vallejo over GW is stability. I hate, hate, hate when paints change. I don't "finish" armies. I don't have "I get X points and army is done". End result is models can be added years later. I have ran into trouble with GW paints that changed and I was then trying to figure out alternative paints to replicate what I had done before.
em_en_oh_pee wrote: A shame they stopped making Liquid Gold. It really was a great product.
They did WHAT? Sorry about offtopic but this is actually rather big news for me. They really stopped doing it? No more? Are there alternatives or should I go to local paintstore(that on spring had lots of them) and get several bottles for ready?
Doesn’t look like they’re gone; maybe someone got confused because they moved from the model paints catalogue to the fine arts catalogue?
Phew. One reason I liked going to vallejo over GW is stability. I hate, hate, hate when paints change. I don't "finish" armies. I don't have "I get X points and army is done". End result is models can be added years later. I have ran into trouble with GW paints that changed and I was then trying to figure out alternative paints to replicate what I had done before.
ScaleHobbyist, which is where I sourced mine, says it is discontinued. And Vallejo doesn't sell on its site, so it could be there still for reference.
They have gone over to a new metal color range. I find it not nearly as good as the Liquid Gold series was. I do not recommend it generally, since the Vallejo Game/Model Air lines are superior.
Alpharius wrote: I'd be so happy if it was Adeptus Titanicus - and even more so if it was a true and proper return of Epic, the only real scale that makes sense for 'mass battles' as GW would like us to play them, with Titans and Super-Heavies and what not!
I think it was the only scale which could properly convey the huge scale of the battles, while Apocalypse just seemed ridiculous. I always wished 40K would go to either d20 or d100 so we could better distinguish the relative strengths of each unit. A multi-decade genetically altered post human with humanities most advanced targeting aids have the same BS as a veteran Guardsman was always strange to me.
Rolsheen wrote: Did anyone notice the Tiger Shark's Cyclic Ion Blaster has -1 damage does that mean it heals a unit it shoots LOL
-_- Go figure, but anyone worth playing will say it must do 1 damage. Amazing looking model. Way better looking than the old one. Also I just got a cool Tau landing pad so these Air Caste pilots would be perfect, but my backlog is now massive. Must... resist... urge. Have too much stuff. I also want those Barracuda.
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Heavily considering grabbing the Barracuda Wing + Tigershark. Good deal plus I'll have air caste mini's.
Tony Cantrell on Thursday’s Twitch interview said they’d do those as they come out with Imperial Armour books for them. I don’t recall if he meant the generic single-faction hardbacks, or the campaign books. At any rate, yes they’re coming, but not soon.
Malcador Heavy Tank receives no form of grinding or lumbering advance and the Master of Ordnance is still not allowed to boss around carriages or emplacements.
