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I really hope they take the time and flesh out a full codex with model updates/release
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2017/10/12 06:13:50
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
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2017/10/12 06:27:17
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Personally I love the fact that FoC is taking so long to come out. The longer FoC is not out, the longer there is a possibility that Mechanicus gets an army-wide Dogma that isn't complete and utter trash.
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2017/10/12 06:31:20
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Maybe it doesn’t take very long, but it’s extra work they weren’t expecting to have to do and has to be slotted into their work schedule somewhere.
Do you perhaps think Forgeworld writers sit around all day, waiting to be given something to do? They were a small team, stretched thin before they lost one of their most important members.
2017/10/12 06:40:14
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
Maybe it doesn’t take very long, but it’s extra work they weren’t expecting to have to do and has to be slotted into their work schedule somewhere.
Do you perhaps think Forgeworld writers sit around all day, waiting to be given something to do? They were a small team, stretched thin before they lost one of their most important members.
So what you're saying is they might be hiring?
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2017/10/12 07:59:59
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Forgeworld now includes the specialist studio. James Hewitt left them a while ago so it is possible they have poached one or more people from the forgeworld rules team. They have certainly poached some sculptors. Forgeworld is now In charge of heresy, bloodbowl, lotr, and the upcoming Necromunda and adeptus Titanicus games. It is easy to imagine that their own 40k stuff,which is supplementary to the main studio stuff unlike their other properties, might seem like less of a priority.
2017/10/12 09:08:29
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
It doesn't have to be a huge priority to get it done, because this is not a huge project. If the book was already ready for 7th edition then the 8th edition rules update shouldn't take more than a day, a week at absolute most. And delaying some other release, which we don't even know about yet and can't be upset about missing, by a day to get a much-demanded book finished and ready to sell sounds like a much better idea than delaying it for months or more.
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Mymearan wrote: The FW employee who is resposible for these new DKoK casts, specifically the at-ease guys, is saying on FB that he went and found all the original parts, re-moulded and cast them, and actually this version of the kit is better and more correct than the original one. Very cool.
Mymearan wrote: The FW employee who is resposible for these new DKoK casts, specifically the at-ease guys, is saying on FB that he went and found all the original parts, re-moulded and cast them, and actually this version of the kit is better and more correct than the original one. Very cool.
What happened to the original molds?
Probably just worn down and in need of replacing. Resin casting molds don't last forever.
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Haighus wrote: I really hope so, they were some of the coolest models in the entire DKoK range. Also, I really think Heavy stubbers need to become a generic special weapon option for all Guard, they open up so many cool modelling opportunities. Currently is just Grenadiers with access to them for loyalists as far as I can tell.
I've wanted that for a long time, they look great and synergize well heavy bolters and other anti-infantry weapons.
2017/10/12 09:21:27
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: It doesn't have to be a huge priority to get it done, because this is not a huge project. If the book was already ready for 7th edition then the 8th edition rules update shouldn't take more than a day, a week at absolute most. And delaying some other release, which we don't even know about yet and can't be upset about missing, by a day to get a much-demanded book finished and ready to sell sounds like a much better idea than delaying it for months or more.
I didn't realise our forum had some people with amazing rules writing/balancing/book design skills. I trust you'll apply for a job at Forge World next time they'll advertise?
They aren't going to bring out a mech book without the core mech codex out. Same with Space Marines. They couldn't even fathom what the rules would be until both those codexes were ready for the printers. Not only that but imagine if you had a Forge World imperial armour book before your codex was released? It would make no sense at all from a sales perspective. Are Tau not the enemy in this book? I'd be surprised if the book was out before their core codex was out too.
Couple that with the death of Alan Bligh, I think you are being very unfair to the Forge World studio to suggest they sat on the book for months for no good reason.
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Matt.Kingsley wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if FW was waiting for the T'au codex release before writing their rules, especially after the mess of the index.
They said as much at the open day.
2017/10/12 10:08:14
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Kijamon wrote: I didn't realise our forum had some people with amazing rules writing/balancing/book design skills. I trust you'll apply for a job at Forge World next time they'll advertise?
FW/GW don't have people with amazing rules writing/balancing skills either. They constantly publish unbalanced and ambiguous garbage, presumably with little or no playtesting that would catch things like conscript spam or the various day-1 FAQ problems. We aren't talking about a company like WOTC, with months-long development schedules because of extensive playtesting and a proper design process, the quality of work involved is barely better than the average fan-made rules. Give me the 7th edition copy of FoC and I'll have an 8th edition copy for you by the end of the week. And it would probably be at least as good as what we're eventually going to get in the official book.
And no, I'm not going to apply. I'd either get fired for refusing to comply with the culture of incompetence and "casual at all costs" idiocy at GW, or get fired when some less-incompetent management finally realized it's time to start doing better and hire real game designers.
They aren't going to bring out a mech book without the core mech codex out. Same with Space Marines. They couldn't even fathom what the rules would be until both those codexes were ready for the printers. Not only that but imagine if you had a Forge World imperial armour book before your codex was released? It would make no sense at all from a sales perspective. Are Tau not the enemy in this book? I'd be surprised if the book was out before their core codex was out too.
If that's the case then they can just say "it will be out a week after the Tau codex"* and get everyone to stop worrying about it. At least then we'd know that there's a plan in place and a release date in mind. We wouldn't have this ridiculous open-ended schedule and vague statements about "updating for 8th edition" anymore.
*Yes, printing times and all, but those same times apply for the codex too. FoC should be finished a day after the Tau codex is final and sent to the printers.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The fact that the Krieg Quartermaster is actually a guy who goes around reclaiming equipment from dead/dying soldiers is part of the theme of the Kriegers.
40k has a long tradition of talking uncool rear line type jobs and making them bad-donkeys. Look at Space Marine Chaplains and Librarians or IG preachers.
2017/10/12 11:02:49
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
How about the lead writer suffering from, and then dying from cancer?
That a good enough reason?
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I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
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Verviedi wrote: I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
its got an anti gravity system so it might can be dropped from orbit the way the repulsor should be able to but isn't
Verviedi wrote: I like the idea of a floaty land battleship, honestly. I don’t like the fact that it’s a Space Marine model. That doesn’t fit the current fluff, and doesn’t really justify a revision.
Imo, all Space Marine equipment should be orbitally deployable, and useful as a rapid strike manuever. Fellblades aren’t that, despite being cool, neither is this.
It sort of fits alongside Guilliman's return and the higher reliance on larger, multi chapter Space Marine campaigns. This new Superheavy is a sort of throwback to the pre-heresy Legions and their use of the Superheavies - less rapid strike and more heavy shock assault
2017/10/12 12:28:57
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
Peregrine wrote: JFC, the FoC excuses are ridiculous. No, it does not take this long to update a book to 8th edition, and anyone who claims otherwise should be fired for incompetence.
How about the lead writer suffering from, and then dying from cancer?
That a good enough reason?
It's pretty unpleasant that people keep throwing that in people's faces, using it as a rhetorical tool.
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
I think people overestimate GW's size. Just because it's the "biggest in the industry" doesn't mean it's Exxon Mobil or General Electric.
Take away the staff in the stores, etc.., the Nottingham Headquarter isn't that big. There're maybe 3-6 background writers in GW main at any given time and maybe 2 or so for Forge World. Plus maybe the odd rules writer (also maybe around 5 guys), White Dwarf guy or Graphics guy occasionally pitching in. Possibly some outsourcing to former GW employees or freelancers in a pinch (but secrecy and all that ...).
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2017/10/12 15:22:56
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
If anyone is to blame for lack of speed it's whoever's in charge of hiring and resources leading to an understaffed department. If a key person is debilitated by illness, that's also something that should be accounted for by management both from a business perspective and from a compassionate perspective.
I think people overestimate GW's size. Just because it's the "biggest in the industry" doesn't mean it's Exxon Mobil or General Electric.
Take away the staff in the stores, etc.., the Nottingham Headquarter isn't that big. There're maybe 3-6 background writers in GW main at any given time and maybe 2 or so for Forge World. Plus maybe the odd rules writer (also maybe around 5 guys), White Dwarf guy or Graphics guy occasionally pitching in. Possibly some outsourcing to former GW employees or freelancers in a pinch (but secrecy and all that ...).
Yeah, people are far too unrealistic about the whole thing. And besides all the above, at the end of the day, stuff gets released when it’s released.
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
To see some people in this thread throwing tantrums about it and lambasting FW for writing terrible books, while on the other hand stamping their feet because they want it NOW! is cringe inducing.
2017/10/12 15:26:21
Subject: Re:Forgeworld News & Rumors - DK of Krieg
We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
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We aren’t entitled to expect a book is released just because it’s highly anticipated, and we aren’t entitled to an explanation as to why it’s not been released yet.
Yes, we somewhat are, because at the end of the day we are customers. We buy these products and have some expectations for reasonable releases. When you preview something and say "it is almost ready!", it shouldn't take almost two years for it to release. That is bad business and leads to customer dissatisfaction.
You really aren’t. You’ve not paid for it, it’s not a kickstarter that you’ve pledged a couple of hundred quid on, it’s a book....a book that seemingly isn’t finished (and with good reason.)
Disappointment is understandable, but dissatisfaction implies that FW’s writers are beholden to your demands. They aren’t.
This is the same kind of whiny entitlement that see people abusing GRR Martin for not releasing the final Game of Thrones book yet. He doesn’t owe you that book, and neither do Forgeworld.
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