Update 3/8, posted by AduroT from the thread on Muse On Minis;
My summary of all the spoilers so far. Copy-pasted from several sources on PP's and F&F's boards (huge thanks to Hatred on F&F!).
Trollbloods
Fennblade Kithkar (Solo)
Has two Reach swords with the P+S +1 of a Fennblade sword. Has Righteous Vengeance, Hard, Commander and Unyielding. Has the same MAT, cost and Health as a Skinner. Has Fennblade ARM +1.
Night Troll
Light warbeast that costs the same as a Swamp and has the same stats. Has Stealth, Paralysis (see Krea) on his melee attacks, an animus that forces warrior models to move directly towards him (range self), Eyeless Sight and Man Eater.
Warders (apparently they still have some abilities which have not been spoiled yet)
Have Champ stats with +1 ARM and -1 SPD. Have Battle Driven and Reach. Costs the same as a unit of Fennblades.
Mountain King
Eh, everyone knows by now.
Hunters Grim
--Has Mirage, Mage Sight and Pursuit as spells. One of his pyg buddies has a snare gun and the other has a Blunderbuss (see winter guard). They each grant an ability: Circular Vision and Reform. Both pygs have RAT 6. Grim's feat grants friendly faction models Mark Target (see Cygnar Rangers) and Snipe.
--The other ability that one of the Pygs is Trapper.
Place a 5" AoE touching this models base. Living and Undead models entering or ending their movement suffer a POW 10. If the model is damaged it is Knocked Down. Flying and Incorp models do not suffer from Trapper.
--They have 360 LOS and reform.
--Head hunter, gives warbeasts in Grims battlegroup a free charge if the enemy model is hit.
--Mortality is Grims last spell.
Cost 2 RNG 10, Upkeep. -2 Def/-2 ARM can not be healed.
--He is 16/15 still and RAT 8 with +4 WB points.
Sorcerer WA A 1 point model which can be attached to any Trollblood unit. Has Disbinding, Winter storm and Ice bolt
Circle Orboros
Known entries: Warpborn Alpha, Woldwrath
Unseen entries:
Morvhana the Dawnshadow
--Stats: Morvhana the Autumnblade, +2 SPD, +2 ARM, +2 boxes
--Feat: See Bell of Lost Souls; basically, can spend life to resurrect destroyed models
--Sword has Life Trader
--Mount has Ram (hurr), no info on mount POW
--Heals whenever a friendly faction model in CTRL dies (the amount you think)
--Spells: Purification, Sunder Spirit, Carnivore, Death knell, Fog of war
--can cut for d3 damage to allow friend faction models to reroll attacks or damage rolls
Tharn Blood Pack
--SPD 6 MAT 7 RAT 6
--RNG 12 POW 13 bows
--POW 11 melee
--Assault and battery
--Heart eater
--Tree Walker
they are 7/10 so kinda spendy
New Satyr
9 points
Has 3 POW 16s, and Smash and Grab
Animus is Bulldoze (self)
Also has Hard Head and Aggressive
New Griffon Warbeast
--Animus: Amuck (so who was it who said we'd never get RNG: 6 animi again?)
--Flight
--Can apparently trample over everything, period. Adds pow to tramples for a total of P+S 12.
--Points cost: 5
--The Griffon actually takes no free strikes at all, even from other models while trampling.
Skorne
Makeda3
Feat: Dance of Death - When a model in Makeda’s battlegroup destroys one or more enemy models in her control area with an attack, either Makeda can gain 1 fury point or 1 fury point can be removed from a model in her battlegroup in her control area. Dance of Death lasts for one turn.
--Spells: Eliminator, Vortex of Destruction, Ground Zero, Sunhammer
--P+S 15 sword with Blood boon and reach.
--emakeda is still 15/17 and has battle driven with her group. they also shield guard for her
Reptile hounds
P+S 8, 13/13 with 13 hp, slaughterhouse animus, flank [reptile hounds] 2pts a piece.
Despoiler (Rhinodon character warbeast):
--Eyeless sight
--Arcane Supression animus
--lets his controlling warlock upkeep a spell for free
--creates Void Spirits out of enemy warrior models
--Affinity Mordikaar: gains dark shroud in Mordikaar's control area.
Might also cost 10, have MAT 6 and critical brutal damage on the tail.
Should mention that he can only create the Void Spirit once per turn, and that he is still a Rhinodon so his base P+S is pretty tame.
Legion of Everblight
3Lylyth (Previously Spoiled)
Afflictor (Released, Previously Spoiled)
Archangel (Sadly, Previously Spoiled)
Warchief Ua (Released, Previously spoiled)
Nephilim Bloodseer
Can cast another warbeasts animus ala Cyclopss shaman (Primal magic is the name of the rule)
animus is Witch blight (new)
Has Telemetry (see Mark Target. but for Magic) against enemy models within 5" of this model. Cost 5pts, 12/19
Legion Lesser Warlock
Known Abilities:
Costs: 3
Fury: 4
Spells: Energizer, Blood rain
Field Marshall: Aggressive
Hits alot harder with lesser beasts In melee with its target.
Can only take lesser warbeasts.
Minions
Midas
Midas is FURY 6 MAT 6 14/16 if I remember correctly.
Feat is wordy: Pet Cemetery
Spend X Fury and bring back any number of warbeasts that is in Midas battlegroup. Return all warbeasts with 1 point in each aspect healed. All returned warbeasts gain Undead, Heal all warbeasts in his control area for the amount of Fury spent during the feat. (This means both the ones brought back and the ones still in play).
Then there is some stipulations about which can and can not activate etc.
Oh they also have to be placed within 3" of Midas when they come back.
Spell List: Bad Blood, Hex Blast, Battle lust and Calamity.
Curse[Bone Grinders]: See Bane Lord Tartarus Curse
Butchery, when a living warbeast dies within his ctrl area he gains a Bone token, any time during his activation remove up to 3 bone tokens and replace them with Fury. ( no limit on how many bone tokens he can have.)
Has Blood Boon on his weapon (P+S 13) If he kills an enemy Warbeast he can casts its animus or a cost 3 spell for free.
Dismember: rolls an extra damage dice with melee attacks against warbeasts.
Rask and Razor boars have been spoiled already, Midas are above, the Gobber mechanik is a solo that has Repair 8 and a RNG 8 POW 10 gun Rat 4. Costs 1 point and will apparently work for all the Hordes factions plus Cygnar and Khador.
Bog trog shamblers are as follows:
Take Alexia and the risen make them worse since they are hordes and then you have the Shambler and Trogs.
The Bokor has Death magic just like Alexia. He poops out Undead togs that are 10/13 SPD 5 MAt 5 POW 8. He can not make them any better than that.
I cant remember what his other spell/ability does but it's RNG 3. His CMD is 8.
Click for larger images in the gallery! Edited with some of the pictures from further down in the thread.
Here are the Gargantuans that have been revealed so far:
WIP Legion Archangel, just shown at Lock 'n Load:
Video of the sculptor talking and showing greens of the Archangel and Mountain King:
Trollbloods Mountain King, shown at Adepticon:
WIP Circle Woldwrath:
Skorne Gargantuan:
Epic Grim Angus... 3 man warlock unit "The Brothers Grimm"
Epic Morvahna
Click to zoom in! All pics but the Epic Morvahna pic are from my friends at the event (the Mountain King pics I took at Adepticon).
Will add more pics and info to the OP as more info is revealed on Gargantuans, but wanted to get this posted for folks to see the just-revealed Legion one
And Skorne will get a preview last, I am sure. Show me the Mammoth already!
As for the Gargantuans thus far, if they have a power level like the Colossi, then I can't effing wait! P+S 20+ with all of Skorne's speed buffs?! Yes, please.
I was iffy bout starting legion there beasts are rather hit or miss with me but after seeing archangel and xtreme carni I may have to get my blight on. I will wait to see what the woldwrath looks like first tho.
More from the Gargantuans book (not sure if that's the name yet). Looks like it will just be an Epic Warlock and a Gargantuan for each faction (just like Colossals will just have a caster and colossal per faction). Will edit a few pics of each into the OP when I get home.
Circle Woldwrath:
Epic Grim Angus... 3 man warlock unit "The Brothers Grim"
Epic Morvahna
More pics of the Legion gargantuan:
Click to zoom in! All but the Epic Morvahna pic are from my friends at the event
Also found this video on youtube of the Legion model:
WOW just WOW.
Mega cool stuff coming from PP.
As a note to an above poster. The Hordes Gargantuan book will not have the limited release`s of colossals. There will be more than 2 models per faction
Note that in the video the sculptor is basically describing the Legion model as being almost done, but not complete- he still has to put the skin on it and add details. So it's still WIP!
Motorgrater wrote:As a note to an above poster. The Hordes Gargantuan book will not have the limited release`s of colossals. There will be more than 2 models per faction
That's great news! Where did you hear this (at the event?)
How are these in relation size-wise to the colossals in Warmachine? Are these the equivalents in hordes to them? I'm not too familiar with warmahordes (nor do I know how the games interact).
warboss wrote:How are these in relation size-wise to the colossals in Warmachine? Are these the equivalents in hordes to them? I'm not too familiar with warmahordes (nor do I know how the games interact).
I believe that is also going to be the name of the Hordes book released with them... not sure, but it'd make sense since the Warmachine book coming out this summer is called "Colossals".
Loving the picture for Emorhvanna and Egrim. Wip models for archangel and woldwrath look good can't for the finished product. Guess I'm gunna have to starting a big boys hordes faction instead of just gators.
Now for the big question will next hordes xpac have 2 new regular epic casters or 1 legendary and 1 epic.
RiTides wrote:I believe that is also going to be the name of the Hordes book released with them... not sure, but it'd make sense since the Warmachine book coming out this summer is called "Colossals".
The book is called Gargantuans, they confirmed it on the back of the latest No Quarter Magazine..
I want to see the Skorne one... I need the Troll one and I'll probably get the Skorne one :(
RiTides wrote:Edited many of the pics into the OP.
Note that in the video the sculptor is basically describing the Legion model as being almost done, but not complete- he still has to put the skin on it and add details. So it's still WIP!
Motorgrater wrote:As a note to an above poster. The Hordes Gargantuan book will not have the limited release`s of colossals. There will be more than 2 models per faction
That's great news! Where did you hear this (at the event?)
PP website on many of the colossals threads it has been mentioned by PP staff. There should be something about it later tonight I believe
Oh my goodness the Archangel is awesome... So I need one of those for my legion and a woldwrath for circle and a Judicator for Menoth.... I may as well just give PP my paychecks directly :(
The mercenary Galleon makes me wonder (and hope) about a Minions gargantuan. A 30 foot tall croc would be all kinds of win
Wow. PP just put the Epic in Epicness. Awe in Awesomness and ect. They just are always evolving and getting better. It's almost as if they we're doing the exact opposite of a certain companie... Maybe this older companie should start following their example, maybe even go to ask them a few advices on a few topics.
Looks like Epic Grim has 2 pygs that come with him. Pics of a poster of the 3 of them, and a WIP of Grim and one of the pygs. These are from the PP forums:
Aduro, I love the trollbloods Mountain King! But I love most things trolls, so I'm biased by now
Lost Hemisphere wrote: -New Bog Trog warlock incoming, named Rask -Bonegrinder Farrow Warlock is named Midas -“Swamp Shamblers” – Bog Trog zombies -Lylyth3 will be an Epic Cavalry Battle Engine Warlock on a 120mm base – an Ulk-drawn bladed sleigh -The Hunters Grim – Warlock Unit, Grim Angus w/ 2 pygs -Makeda3 will be a warlock unit, Makeda with two Exalted Guardians -New Retribution unit will be infantry with ‘razorblades’; Eiryss3 will be their UA -Greylord Outriders – Khadoran light cavalry -Iron Fang Kovnik armed with an axe – precursor to an IF unit with axes? -Tempest Blazers – Gunmage light cavalry -Bane Riders – Bane Knight heavy cavalry -Intimated that there were light cavalry on the way for Protectorate and Mercenaries -Plastic Tharn kit – large bows made of stag horns, likely same kit will be used to make plastic Ravagers -Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release -All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012 -Skorne Mammoth = ENORMOUS Titan
Thoughts: More banes? Just what the community (i.e., Cryx players) need. Cool new cavalry for each faction (except Ret? Eh, you guys get a unit lead by Eiryss3, you can't complain),. SKORNE MAMMOTH WON'T BE STUPID! Yes! New Blindwater caster + Undead troops = fun times for Maelok's tier list, good times for Witch Docters, and means I've got a section faction to buy.
Additional: Skorne Epic3 is Makeda (or, apparently, now Mak3da) with Ancestral Guardian elite-cadre type unit. Mammoth is a, and a quote, 'Bronzeback on crack with a cannon turret'.
Not impressed with the Wold Wrath so far. I know it's a WIP, but I dunno what they can do at this point to stop it from looking like a baseball with limbs.
Epic Morvahna art is epic, I hope the model lives up to it.
And Grim is cool as always.
Lost Hemisphere wrote:-Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release
-All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012
How do these two statements reconcile?
They would release ALL the Gargantuans before the book? I know they release models before the book (some of the troll models from Domination came out ahead of time- at least, Jarl and the scattergunner UA, I think) but that sounds a little odd.
Glad it's going to have more stuff than the Warmachine one . Catch us up!
Lost Hemisphere wrote:-Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release
-All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012
How do these two statements reconcile?
They would release ALL the Gargantuans before the book? I know they release models before the book (some of the troll models from Domination came out ahead of time- at least, Jarl and the scattergunner UA, I think) but that sounds a little odd.
Glad it's going to have more stuff than the Warmachine one . Catch us up!
Presumably the big beasties and possibly one warlock per faction comes out during 2012, along with the rules for Gargantuans being printed in No Quarter - in theory, there shouldn't be a huge amount different from Colossals, beyond any Fury/Focus-related changes, and the Colossals ones have been printed in NQ42.
The advantage to the cards feature for PP releases is that the models can be released way before the books - see also Superiority in Mk1.
Lost Hemisphere wrote:-Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release -All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012
How do these two statements reconcile?
They would release ALL the Gargantuans before the book? I know they release models before the book (some of the troll models from Domination came out ahead of time- at least, Jarl and the scattergunner UA, I think) but that sounds a little odd.
Glad it's going to have more stuff than the Warmachine one . Catch us up!
Presumably the big beasties and possibly one warlock per faction comes out during 2012, along with the rules for Gargantuans being printed in No Quarter - in theory, there shouldn't be a huge amount different from Colossals, beyond any Fury/Focus-related changes, and the Colossals ones have been printed in NQ42.
The advantage to the cards feature for PP releases is that the models can be released way before the books - see also Superiority in Mk1.
Yep. It was a common practice for 1/4-1/3 of the book's contents to be on shelves before the book in MkI.
Dysartes wrote:Presumably the big beasties and possibly one warlock per faction comes out during 2012, along with the rules for Gargantuans being printed in No Quarter - in theory, there shouldn't be a huge amount different from Colossals, beyond any Fury/Focus-related changes, and the Colossals ones have been printed in NQ42.
The advantage to the cards feature for PP releases is that the models can be released way before the books - see also Superiority in Mk1.
Ah, very cool! Would they actually be usable in events and the like with rules being in NQ, even without the book being out?
Once the model is on general release, it is legal for tournaments, RiTides.
Pre-releases, such as at Lock & Load, are usually legal for the duration of that convention, but won't be tournament-legal until the model is on general release.
Epic Angus? Awesome, he's my favourite Trollblood model. And he really rocks that hat.
Who is this beauty? An extreme Carnivean I suppose.
The additional stuff sounds awesome, too. All of it. Gun Mage cavalry? Yes please. Swamp Zombies? YES PLEASE! Interesting that Blindwater becomes more and more of an undead faction. Now give me epic Warlocks!
What about the Merc factions? Nothing new for Pirates and Rhul?
Lost Hemisphere wrote:
-New Bog Trog warlock incoming, named Rask
-Bonegrinder Farrow Warlock is named Midas
-“Swamp Shamblers” – Bog Trog zombies
-Lylyth3 will be an Epic Cavalry Battle Engine Warlock on a 120mm base – an Ulk-drawn bladed sleigh
-The Hunters Grim – Warlock Unit, Grim Angus w/ 2 pygs
-Makeda3 will be a warlock unit, Makeda with two Exalted Guardians
-New Retribution unit will be infantry with ‘razorblades’; Eiryss3 will be their UA -Greylord Outriders – Khadoran light cavalry
-Iron Fang Kovnik armed with an axe – precursor to an IF unit with axes?
-Tempest Blazers – Gunmage light cavalry
-Bane Riders – Bane Knight heavy cavalry
-Intimated that there were light cavalry on the way for Protectorate and Mercenaries
-Plastic Tharn kit – large bows made of stag horns, likely same kit will be used to make plastic Ravagers
-Hordes: Gargantuans will be a “catching up” book, returning to multiple releases per book; expected Spring 2013 release
-All Gargantuans and Colossals are planned to be released during 2012
-Skorne Mammoth = ENORMOUS Titan
Thoughts:
More banes? Just what the community (i.e., Cryx players) need. Cool new cavalry for each faction (except Ret? Eh, you guys get a unit lead by Eiryss3, you can't complain),.
SKORNE MAMMOTH WON'T BE STUPID! Yes!
New Blindwater caster + Undead troops = fun times for Maelok's tier list, good times for Witch Docters, and means I've got a section faction to buy.
Additional: Skorne Epic3 is Makeda (or, apparently, now Mak3da) with Ancestral Guardian elite-cadre type unit. Mammoth is a, and a quote, 'Bronzeback on crack with a cannon turret'.
Just one Farrow addittion? Pity that...
Loving the idea of Gun Mage Cavalry, though. My Kraye's drooling... I thought I'd heard something about the possiblity of Gun Mage cav, but PP was having problem balancing them. Guess, if that recollection is accurate, PP got it figured out. Cool...
Anyone else think that the Woldwrath should be voiced by Vin Diesel in a WB animated movie?
Can't say that the sculpt show for the Circle Gargantuan is really impressing me in terms of detail. However in terms of sheer scale it looks to stand head and shoulders (or just shoulders) above the Colossals, at the moment it stands to be neck-and-neck between that and the Galleon for my money.
The mammoth concept looks sharp, but dose not display the creativity I expect from PP. The giant troll and wold make sense in their factions. This giant titan seems a little blunt considering the variety of beasts Skorne are known to enslave.
I like the rules I see... just not too impressed with the P+S of his fists and his armor... but other than that, I'm okay...
I know some people on the PP forums are complaining about the lack of regeneration on the Mountain King, they forget that if he takes damage he creates a whelp for free... there is your regeneration...
AduroT wrote:He doesnt have regen?! Wow. That's kind of a shocker for a troll. Doesnt every single dire troll have it?
Every single Troll, actually. Even the elemental ones. Not that it makes too much of a difference here. It's already got two healing abilities, a third is hardly necessary.
It's sounding like he's pretty hated on the other forum I read. They think he's going to die too easily and not really put out more damage than cheaper options.
The problem with the Mountain King is the lack of defenses and total health that the colossals have to keep it alive to use those whelps. Seems like it would just get eaten alive by Cryx especially.
Yeah, I wasn't sure AoE, but I think Laughing Man is right- since Privateer Press allows the pictures of the cards to be posted on their own forums, it makes sense that they don't mind them being posted.
If you pay the points for a pack of whelps separately you can spawn TWO at a time which should make for some insanity.
RiTides wrote:Yeah, I wasn't sure AoE, but I think Laughing Man is right- since Privateer Press allows the pictures of the cards to be posted on their own forums, it makes sense that they don't mind them being posted.
They only allowed it because the miniature was released to the general public, otherwise posting the pictures on their forums would be a big no-no.
So I've been toying around with the idea of using the Mountain King and making him the truck he is/should be...
Take an Earthborn, Janissa and Krielstone Bearers, and probably a Mauler (I mean who wouldn't want that), and I'm sure he becomes a lot better. Most people are probably going to say, "Well yeah but at those points, why wouldn't I just take another Dire Troll or two"
With the Krielstone Bearers w/UA and full focus (11 inch range) you can give him +2 ARM and +1 STR, that gives you a 2 inch sweep at P+S 20.
Add in the EBDT with Elemental Communion and Janissa's wall placing effect, your Mountain King gets 23 ARM, sure he's still DEF 9 but you want those troll whelps jumping off of him, if you boost his armor high enough, he'll only suffer a few points of damage.
Finally, I would probably run him with either of the Doomshapers. pDoomie has Fortune which will help (somewhat) with that MAT 5, and eDoomie can pop Wild Aggression which is probably your best bet to get around the MAT 5... or if you've got the points, use the Runebearer and cast it on him turn one if you don't want to use Doomshaper's fury early on.
Alfndrate wrote:So I've been toying around with the idea of using the Mountain King and making him the truck he is/should be...
Take an Earthborn, Janissa and Krielstone Bearers, and probably a Mauler (I mean who wouldn't want that), and I'm sure he becomes a lot better. Most people are probably going to say, "Well yeah but at those points, why wouldn't I just take another Dire Troll or two"
With the Krielstone Bearers w/UA and full focus (11 inch range) you can give him +2 ARM and +1 STR, that gives you a 2 inch sweep at P+S 20.
Add in the EBDT with Elemental Communion and Janissa's wall placing effect, your Mountain King gets 23 ARM, sure he's still DEF 9 but you want those troll whelps jumping off of him, if you boost his armor high enough, he'll only suffer a few points of damage.
Finally, I would probably run him with either of the Doomshapers. pDoomie has Fortune which will help (somewhat) with that MAT 5, and eDoomie can pop Wild Aggression which is probably your best bet to get around the MAT 5... or if you've got the points, use the Runebearer and cast it on him turn one if you don't want to use Doomshaper's fury early on.
Idk, just some thoughts...
I agree with all of those thoughts, they're what I've seen people considering using him with (with the exception of the Mauler, although that makes sense).
The issue is that, without the Mauler and dropping the extra Krielstone scribes, you're still already at 37 points. So there's not much else coming with him!
Including the Mauler and extra scribes puts it at 47. With pDoomshaper's 7 warbeast points, that'd leave you 10 points for an infantry screen.
It's doable at 50, but still a bit of a stretch. At 35 him and his supporting cast (of course the Earthborn will do other things, but is pretty necessary to boost his ARM) take pretty much all your points.
The reason I think the Mauler isn't as necessary, is you're likely not rotating multiple animii onto him every turn, so if you're putting on Elemental Communion, you're not putting on Rage (although it'd be nice for the critical attack turn).
I think he'll definitely need Wild Aggression, Fortune, or similar!
Alfndrate wrote:So I've been toying around with the idea of using the Mountain King and making him the truck he is/should be...
Take an Earthborn, Janissa and Krielstone Bearers, and probably a Mauler (I mean who wouldn't want that), and I'm sure he becomes a lot better. Most people are probably going to say, "Well yeah but at those points, why wouldn't I just take another Dire Troll or two"
With the Krielstone Bearers w/UA and full focus (11 inch range) you can give him +2 ARM and +1 STR, that gives you a 2 inch sweep at P+S 20.
Add in the EBDT with Elemental Communion and Janissa's wall placing effect, your Mountain King gets 23 ARM, sure he's still DEF 9 but you want those troll whelps jumping off of him, if you boost his armor high enough, he'll only suffer a few points of damage.
Finally, I would probably run him with either of the Doomshapers. pDoomie has Fortune which will help (somewhat) with that MAT 5, and eDoomie can pop Wild Aggression which is probably your best bet to get around the MAT 5... or if you've got the points, use the Runebearer and cast it on him turn one if you don't want to use Doomshaper's fury early on.
Idk, just some thoughts...
I agree with all of those thoughts, they're what I've seen people considering using him with (with the exception of the Mauler, although that makes sense).
The issue is that, without the Mauler and dropping the extra Krielstone scribes, you're still already at 37 points. So there's not much else coming with him!
Including the Mauler and extra scribes puts it at 47. With pDoomshaper's 7 warbeast points, that'd leave you 10 points for an infantry screen.
It's doable at 50, but still a bit of a stretch. At 35 him and his supporting cast (of course the Earthborn will do other things, but is pretty necessary to boost his ARM) take pretty much all your points.
The reason I think the Mauler isn't as necessary, is you're likely not rotating multiple animii onto him every turn, so if you're putting on Elemental Communion, you're not putting on Rage (although it'd be nice for the critical attack turn).
I think he'll definitely need Wild Aggression, Fortune, or similar!
Yeah, I wouldn't use any colossal or gargantuan at anything less than like 75 points. Using models I have (and an EBDT, since I don't own one yet D: ) here is what I was thinking:
Epic Hoarluk (+6 Points)
Dire Troll Mauler
Earthborn Dire Troll
Mountain King
Full Krielstone Bearer w/ UA Trollkin Champions w/Skaldi
Trollkin Fennblades w/UA Fell Caller Hero
Janissa Stonetide
2 units of Whelps
Trollkin Champion Hero
Which leaves me with 1 point, so I was thinking of throwing in a Swamp Gobber crew just because.
Like I said, I don't see myself using them in anything less than 75 point games, unless I just wanted to throw one out there just because...
I do think some of the Colossals will be viable at lower points, but I agree- the Mountain King will shine at 75 . And either way, is awesome! I will probably give it a try at 50, since that's the highest point level we really play in my area.
RiTides wrote:I do think some of the Colossals will be viable at lower points, but I agree- the Mountain King will shine at 75 . And either way, is awesome! I will probably give it a try at 50, since that's the highest point level we really play in my area.
Yeah, we have to be in the mood for a big game at my store... the last big game we had was this six hour slugfest of an Unbound game... SO MUCH INFANTRY!
I noticed he has the standard 4 arms of Titans, 2 for killing, 2 for hugging. For those of use clamoring for a T Rex, just don't put on the big main arms and use the stubby ones, there T Rex.
Word on the grape vine is that the Circle Wold Wraith is the strongest/best of the Hordes Gargantuans according to the opinion of the devs and play testers. Gets spoiled in the next NQ in a couple months.
AduroT wrote:Word on the grape vine is that the Circle Wold Wraith is the strongest/best of the Hordes Gargantuans according to the opinion of the devs and play testers. Gets spoiled in the next NQ in a couple months.
Boo! Hiss!
Good for them, though! I do hope these things are viable, would love to see them on the table.
Got the Mountain King last night but was too tired to take pics. Will snap some when I get home tonight and put them here in the thread.
As you already know... it is SO HUGE! That feeling is even stronger when you see the parts. Only comes in a few pieces, too, which is nice. I don't know how they casted them, but it looks fantastic.
If like they say in the video, the hordes book is supposed to help them catch up to war machine then were is the gargantuan for minions? Mercs got a colossal so whats up with that?
John D Law wrote:If like they say in the video, the hordes book is supposed to help them catch up to war machine then were is the gargantuan for minions? Mercs got a colossal so whats up with that?
Minions are getting one, just not in Gargantuans. They'd rather use those slots to actually fill out the list before giving them one just cause everyone else has them.
Gargantuan spoilers at Muse on Minis. Directed there by a friend, no real idea if they're accurate or not, but they seem cool!
The Archangel has a P+S 19 Bite attack.
Her Bite attack has the special ability Consume (not critical).
She can make Ride By attacks.
The Woldwrath’s animus reads something like the following:
RNG:Self Cost:2
Druid’s Wrath- Friendly faction models gain boosted magic attack rolls when targeting enemy models within 10” of this model.
derek wrote:I thought the Skorne One was a Triceratops not a Mammoth? I read nothing about it just looked at the picture. That makes me want one less now. :(
There have been 3 things that have been called Mammoth in the IK/WM/Hordes story:
1. The giant lizard from the Witchfire Trilogy(Mammoth is what the Cygnarans called it)
2. The different giant lizard(looking like a Ceratopsid with tusks) from Monsternomicon II(Pendrake called it a Mammoth, PP has retconned that to being a mistranslation of the Skorne language on his part)
Yeah looking at the artwork, it basically just looks like a super sized Titan. So no real effort put into a new idea sadly That said i want one anyway!
I know what happened to mine: The rubber band to keep the armor on rotted out due to a flood, the Rex itself lasted a few more years until my parents had to move when a lot of my childhood stuff just seem to vanish between houses.
Speaking of Dino Riders, saw these Imaginext Dino Riders (same name!) at Target yesterday and instantly thought of it for My Lil' Skorne Empire Complete with pale rider dude in oversized red armor
Spell Ward- This model cannot be targeted by spells.
Lightning Strike
RNG: 14 RoF: 1 AoE: - Pow: 15
Damage Type Electricity
Storm Generator- When a model is directly hit with this weapon, center a 3" AOE on it. You can then have lightning arc to the nearest model within 4" of the model hit, ignoring the attacking model. The model the lightning arc to suffers an unboostable POW 10 electrical damage roll. After this damage roll is resolved, center a 3" AOE on the model the lightning arced to. The AOES remain in play for one round. Models entering or ending their activations in an AOE suffer a POW 10 electrical damage roll.
Stone Fistx2
Pow: 3 P+S: 19
Open Fist
(Not magical weapons like the other constructs)
Earth Shaker- When an enemy model is directly hit by an attack made with this weapon, center a 4" AOE on the model directly hit. Models in the AOE are knocked down.
Animus
Druid's Wrath
Cost:2 RNG: Self
Friendlly Faction models gain an additional die on magic attack rolls targeting enemy models within 10" of this model. Druid's wrath lasts for one turn.
A friend's take on it, who already has his NQ43:
20pts, Mat6, 2x P+S19 fists that create 4"AOEs on enemies hit that KD everything in the aoe. It's gun is RNG14 POW15 (rat5) and if it hits a model, you center a 3"AOE, and then arc to the nearest model within 4", and place another AOE, and the AOEs stay there and it lightningifies things coming in.
All with 50+ damage pipes.
Oh, and has spell ward.
If any of this is true... man... that thing's awesome!
Holy gak!! Thats gone from.do-want straight to must-have andwill be bought as soon as its released. Assuming those are true that is one hell.of a beast.
At least it'll be hard to utilize in a list containing the gargantuan (20 points doesn't leave a lot of space for druids). Boosted attack rolls are neat, but often times unnecessary.
Spell Ward- This model cannot be targeted by spells.
Lightning Strike
RNG: 14 RoF: 1 AoE: - Pow: 15
Damage Type Electricity
Storm Generator- When a model is directly hit with this weapon, center a 3" AOE on it. You can then have lightning arc to the nearest model within 4" of the model hit, ignoring the attacking model. The model the lightning arc to suffers an unboostable POW 10 electrical damage roll. After this damage roll is resolved, center a 3" AOE on the model the lightning arced to. The AOES remain in play for one round. Models entering or ending their activations in an AOE suffer a POW 10 electrical damage roll.
Stone Fistx2
Pow: 3 P+S: 19
Open Fist
(Not magical weapons like the other constructs)
Earth Shaker- When an enemy model is directly hit by an attack made with this weapon, center a 4" AOE on the model directly hit. Models in the AOE are knocked down.
Animus
Druid's Wrath
Cost:2 RNG: Self
Friendlly Faction models gain an additional die on magic attack rolls targeting enemy models within 10" of this model. Druid's wrath lasts for one turn.
Oh, good. Another model I don't have to buy. Thanks for hating my faction, PP.
At least it'll be hard to utilize in a list containing the gargantuan (20 points doesn't leave a lot of space for druids). Boosted attack rolls are neat, but often times unnecessary.
What about a blackclad, a spell assassin, or even geomancy?
I think the point of some of the rules is to keep these models useful but
not autoincludes.
I just have to say, as a troll player I have gargantuan rules envy (although, I know we didn't really need a powerful one, our beasts rock... and it's going to be fun to be spawning 2 whelps every time he's damaged)
lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, good. Another model I don't have to buy. Thanks for hating my faction, PP.
Hm?
I´m not quite sure I can follow you.
Are you saying the Woldwrath is bad and PP is hating Circle, or am I missunderstanding you?
I mean, I´ll need some time to actually read the proper rules and everything, but on paper it seems quite damn good. Especially compared to the Mountain King.
Stats are pretty much what was expected.
Spellward is a double edged sword, I admit. No arm buffs but Baldur2´s feat unless I´m missing something. On the other hand no Parasite etc.
The gun is pretty nice. Only one shot (unless he has two of them), but nice high power and the AoEs can give some nice area denial even though they are limited to models being hit.
The fists have an expected P+S, but Earth Shaker is nice.
Actually surprised that the Woldwrath has an unique Animus. With all the magic attacks Circle can bring it seems quite handy to have. All those nice sprays and AoEs by the various druidic models, the Druids of Orboros´ Force Bolt, Geomancy and so on. And 10" around a colossal base is quite some area where you get additional dice. Apparently it is indeed additional dice and not boosted, so doubly awesome for stuff like Earth Spikes (4 dice = high crit chance).
lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, good. Another model I don't have to buy. Thanks for hating my faction, PP.
I'm also confused. I thought it looked pretty neat. I'm surprised - shocked, really- that it doesn't have Geomancy, but apart from that it looks pretty interesting. It's mind is sinfully easy to box, and the fist damage is... lackluster, but that titanic knockdown AOE is something.
Yea, considering that almost every druidy ability like Force Bolt, Rock Hammer, Wang Spray or whatever has Critical Knockdown, the animus is really strong, especially when cast by the warlock so your little mens don't need to be near the monster.
I do think the model is going to be a bit weak as it can't be healed easily other than stones, and the really good buffs are just gone. But then again, gargantuans seemingly are made to shut down infantry spam, and it will be great for that, and for 20 points I think it will work in many lists. So, I am optimistic.
I just wish it didn't have LRM20's mounted on its shoulders. I hate the look of it :(
Even ignoring the immunity to its own side's buffs, I don't particularly care for a $135 model that will struggle to stay fully operational with all but 1 caster. Its gun has a cute effect, but needs to directly hit on its RAT5 to trigger it - far from a certainty against the kinds of targets you'd want to shoot with a POW10 AOE, even with boosting. And the low FURY means we won't want it in melee on the same turn we use the animus.
20 points for a model that doesn't have enough FURY to do more than 1 thing a turn, along with by far the most limited healing in all of Hordes, is not an acceptable deal regardless of the model's good points. Add the 7 or more points for the units that actually benefit from its animus and you have a mean knockdown machine, but barely any points left for models that actually kill things.
lord_blackfang wrote:Even ignoring the immunity to its own side's buffs, I don't particularly care for a $135 model that will struggle to stay fully operational with all but 1 caster. Its gun has a cute effect, but needs to directly hit on its RAT5 to trigger it - far from a certainty against the kinds of targets you'd want to shoot with a POW10 AOE, even with boosting. And the low FURY means we won't want it in melee on the same turn we use the animus.
20 points for a model that doesn't have enough FURY to do more than 1 thing a turn, along with by far the most limited healing in all of Hordes, is not an acceptable deal regardless of the model's good points. Add the 7 or more points for the units that actually benefit from its animus and you have a mean knockdown machine, but barely any points left for models that actually kill things.
That makes sense, good analysis. Personally I'm just not seeing taking Gargantuans or colossals in any games of 50pts or less. At 75-100+ they should start coming into their own, and perhaps have been balanced more around that points level?
lord_blackfang wrote:Even ignoring the immunity to its own side's buffs, I don't particularly care for a $135 model that will struggle to stay fully operational with all but 1 caster. Its gun has a cute effect, but needs to directly hit on its RAT5 to trigger it - far from a certainty against the kinds of targets you'd want to shoot with a POW10 AOE, even with boosting. And the low FURY means we won't want it in melee on the same turn we use the animus.
20 points for a model that doesn't have enough FURY to do more than 1 thing a turn, along with by far the most limited healing in all of Hordes, is not an acceptable deal regardless of the model's good points. Add the 7 or more points for the units that actually benefit from its animus and you have a mean knockdown machine, but barely any points left for models that actually kill things.
Ah, ok. Thanks for elaborating.
Yeah, the not healing part really sucks. Didn´t even think about that, stupid construct rules I always forget because I mainly play living beasts.
And well, the high points-per-FURY is a problem all Gargantuans share (at least the two we´ve seen and I doubt Archangel and Mammoth will be any different). The problem really is that two beasts worth of FURY would be massively overpowered the way FURY works, but one beast worth of FURY means that, unlike Colossals, Gargantuans will only really see play in games 50pts upwards.
I was kinda biased by a Hey-it´s-better-than-the-Mountain-King mood. I can definitely see where you´re coming from.
Still, I like it. Maybe simply because we knew the basic things to expect like FURY, P+S and such from the Mountain King and thus I had no extremely high expectations, and I like the look of it. I´ll deal with them the way I deal with the battle engines: I won´t get them immediatly, but I guess sooner or later I´ll get one when I have some bucks to spare. Thankfully they´re no must-haves in terms of power.
Yeah, the Gargantuans are going to be harder to balance out well than the Colossals because of how Fury works. That said I think the Wold Wrath is going to be pretty awesome. The auto-knockdowns and the pseudo Covering Fires are both pretty nice, and the Animus is Amazing. Probably should have had Megalith's d3 healing thing though, but at least you don't have to worry about a super low Threshold like the Mountain King.
Also, this thing in melee with the auto Knockdowns during Cassius' Feat.
Vimes wrote:Yeah, the not healing part really sucks. Didn´t even think about that, stupid construct rules I always forget because I mainly play living beasts.
Well, you can always assign a unit of Shifting Stones to it, which I'll probably do anyway to frustrate charges, and for easy lightning targets to place the Storm templates / get the lightning bounces just where I want them. And there's the possibility that there will also be some kind of "construct mechanic" solo. Also, Cassius finally has the second half of his feat, now that Circle has a non-damaging knockdown effect. Still, Spell Ward is a bit pants considering the Druids who synergise so well with it can already block spells.
Stones just don't cut it, IMO, as they can't heal if they move and their heals don't stack, so you could still end up only healing 1 HP (possibly leaving 1 aspect disabled) even if you do everything right.
A construct healer would help, it would put the WW's healing on a level playing field with Colossals at least, if not Gargantuans.
Blarg! Kind of annoys me, in a I'm jealous way. They talked up the double epics for Colossals, how they'd be all cool with extra board presence and stuff, which turns out to mean they are either riding a horse or have an attached solo. Then they start talking about the Garganguans double epics, and they're casters in units, or even a caster riding a chariot as a Battle Engine. Super Jealous! Though it does give me hope for a Huge Base Epic Terminous one day...
Soon Terminous will be a huge based model that actually costs points to use.
Shortly there after, the 4th Makeda will be released as an upgrade kit, where you glue her to the new Terminous, who then becomes her hat.
Clearly I am content to wallow in ignorance (Even if announced earlier I am still surprised to see Lylth as the engine caster, I honestly expected trolls to get that one ...)
If Gargauntuans does the same as Colossals, there is only a new warlock and the Gargant. No new units for at least the main factions. Dunno about minions...
Those are chains son, we ain't holding them back with just measly jute twine over here
Ronin, there are units being announced, since Hordes is still a little behind Warmachine.
I believe it's 1 new warcaster for each faction (idk about minions), the colossal, and some units have been announced (in the video)
Things I know:
Brothers Grimm (Epic Grimm and 2 character whelps) Mountain King Trollkin Warder Mak3da - Third version of Makeda Mammoth 3lylth Angelius Infector or Incubator w/e the new light warbeast they featured is called Epic Morvhana WoldWrath Tharn Archer guys Undead bogg Troggs
So there is an epic caster, a colossal, and something else, it seems to be a unit in every case but Skorne and Legion (they're getting a new beast).
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Right, but the Mammoth and the Woldwrath have a lot of rope. To hold things like cannons.
There s a lot of rope on the constructs though isn't there? I thought they were stone, wood, magic and rope (ya know, like Cryx girls are sugar, spice, and some blighted taint of a dragon... or was it everything nice?)
12thRonin wrote: If Gargauntuans does the same as Colossals, there is only a new warlock and the Gargant. No new units for at least the main factions. Dunno about minions...
My understanding (which is kinda supported by what they said in the video) is that Gargantuans is going to have a bit more material then Collossals, as they felt that the Warmachine factions are more developed at this point, while the Hordes factions could use a bit more fleshing out.
After all, just from that video we see that it looks like each faction gets at least 1 new unit.
Speaking of, I have mixed feelings about the Circle addition. It seems odd to have Tharn males with bows, when the Tharn women already serve as a the ranged pieces for that sub-sub-faction. I'm sure they will have some different rules to make them worthwhile (after all, they are competing not only against Bloodtrackers, but Reeves and Nyss Hunters), I'm just hungry for more info.
Also, it looks like the bow-tharn will be based off of the plastic Tharn kit that is coming out. More plastic (restic?) is always exciting!
Yea I don't get Tharn archers either... Circle has enough ranged options in general (you forgot the flying magic shooting shrimp things and arguably druids), and really infantry mashing ability over all with their melee tricks. I think a Tharn Ravager armor breaking unit would have been a lot more useful. It seems like the only good way to crack heavies with Circle is with our own heavies; a unit of Tharn with big ass hammers to smash through 'jacks would have been perfect.
Still hoping for circle character unit. Not much info for minions shamblers were preview @L&L even thought I don't play thornfall be nice if you a spoiler instead of just midas.
@Buzzsaw Not sure what to think of tharn archers but time will tell.
@Wehrkind Who knows we might get a skinwalker attachment/solo that might make them hit harder.
That's true HC, there is a reference to a skinwalker solo in Domination. We can hope! Brutal Charge perhaps? That would be tasty with CMA! Or maybe Gang!
Wehrkind wrote: That's true HC, there is a reference to a skinwalker solo in Domination. We can hope! Brutal Charge perhaps? That would be tasty with CMA! Or maybe Gang!
Hmm, a UA would be something I could see, and the fact that skinwalkers are going plastic means that a lot of people are going to have them and be looking for ways to use them.
Honestly, while the concept art looks good for the new Tharn, I would really have liked to see resculpted Bloodtrackers. Actually, a core plastic kit that could be used for blood-trackers/weavers would be great (in the same way the new kit is going to be used for Ravagers and the new thingy).
Of course, there is plenty of time for this to pan out. I mean, they are still only showing concept art for the Archangel? Shouldn't it be done by now, the WIP picks that are floating around made it look nearly done. Although it might not be painted...
I wonder if the base for the Mammoth will come with all four quadrants marked instead of just the front two, so it can do the traditional Titan Butt Charge, because it's going to need to.
Actually, yeah. Kind of. They shoot a worm that reproduces by eating what they hit and the reproduced worm fires into the closest enemy thing. They get a few hits of successively smaller creatures via wacky bio superscience.
I kinda want to start Hordese now for the Archangel.
Alothough 120$ is kinda expensive.
I think im going to ask for the hordes 2 player Battle box for x-mas.
12thRonin wrote: If Gargauntuans does the same as Colossals, there is only a new warlock and the Gargant. No new units for at least the main factions. Dunno about minions...
They specifically said at Lock and Load that Gargantuans would be a full book plus Gargantuans and Unbound.
12thRonin wrote: If Gargauntuans does the same as Colossals, there is only a new warlock and the Gargant. No new units for at least the main factions. Dunno about minions...
They specifically said at Lock and Load that Gargantuans would be a full book plus Gargantuans and Unbound.
Minions aren't getting a gargantuan, but they're the only faction getting two warlocks and hopefully they'll be getting more actual units than the rest of the book factions to help them catch up.
I didn't know people actually held models like that when they painted. I guess I'm too old---I have to practically nail my hand to the desk to keep it steady.
Poor Bog Trogs. We're going to take your land, enslave your people and make you fight---and not even in death will you find peace. Hah.
AgeOfEgos wrote: I didn't know people actually held models like that when they painted. I guess I'm too old---I have to practically nail my hand to the desk to keep it steady.
Poor Bog Trogs. We're going to take your land, enslave your people and make you fight---and not even in death will you find peace. Hah.
I think you mean and not even in death will you be useful to the faction. That witch doctor leading them had better have some pretty high utility abilities, the gatormen are already almost entirely an infantry focused attrition army. Adding another low power, fear causing, attrition based infantry unit would make two thirds of the armies infantry have the same role. Skorne will love 'em.
AgeOfEgos wrote: I didn't know people actually held models like that when they painted. I guess I'm too old---I have to practically nail my hand to the desk to keep it steady.
Poor Bog Trogs. We're going to take your land, enslave your people and make you fight---and not even in death will you find peace. Hah.
The hatred between trogs and gatorman run deep suprised new lock was a trog. I was hoping the new lock was gunna be a croak, someday...
AgeOfEgos wrote: I didn't know people actually held models like that when they painted. I guess I'm too old---I have to practically nail my hand to the desk to keep it steady.
Poor Bog Trogs. We're going to take your land, enslave your people and make you fight---and not even in death will you find peace. Hah.
I think you mean and not even in death will you be useful to the faction. That witch doctor leading them had better have some pretty high utility abilities, the gatormen are already almost entirely an infantry focused attrition army. Adding another low power, fear causing, attrition based infantry unit would make two thirds of the armies infantry have the same role. Skorne will love 'em.
AgeOfEgos wrote: I didn't know people actually held models like that when they painted. I guess I'm too old---I have to practically nail my hand to the desk to keep it steady.
Poor Bog Trogs. We're going to take your land, enslave your people and make you fight---and not even in death will you find peace. Hah.
I think you mean and not even in death will you be useful to the faction. That witch doctor leading them had better have some pretty high utility abilities, the gatormen are already almost entirely an infantry focused attrition army. Adding another low power, fear causing, attrition based infantry unit would make two thirds of the armies infantry have the same role. Skorne will love 'em.
Adds more undead for maelok I guess.
If they're cheap and easily recoverable like most necromancer+skeleton units they'd be good for jamming a zone using maeloks tier list advance move.
I'm also confused as to what the Tharn Archers are bringing to the table. Right now our ranged options are limited, with our best being Bloodtrackers and Shrimps, with a Minions option being better than all of them. Reeves could be better if not so costly...
If you wanted to give me ranged, I'd have rather had Reeves lowered in cost to not suck. If you wanted to give me Ravagers, I'd have rather had Tharn get a UA that works or a near total redesign from the ground up. I mean, if you wanted them to be good, they should have Overtake and Reform. Or at least have that granted by UA. Or something.
But hey, at least my Gargantuan can be highly resistant to magic and shooting. Now I just have to figure out how to protect him from being torn apart in melee before he can do his job. Whatever the heck that is...
Mattlov wrote: I'm a fan of it. I can guarantee I will not be a fan of the price.
Seeing as it's price will be in line with the other Colossals/Gargantuans currently released I'm failing to see how much sticker shock can come from such a thing?
Mattlov wrote: I'm a fan of it. I can guarantee I will not be a fan of the price.
Seeing as it's price will be in line with the other Colossals/Gargantuans currently released I'm failing to see how much sticker shock can come from such a thing?
I assume Mattlov isn't a fan of those current prices is all.
I don't know. Games Workshop and Privateer Press have broken
any imaginary price line for me. It's what I enjoy, so I'll spend it.
Mattlov wrote: I'm a fan of it. I can guarantee I will not be a fan of the price.
Seeing as it's price will be in line with the other Colossals/Gargantuans currently released I'm failing to see how much sticker shock can come from such a thing?
By what Ive seen it costs $25 more to store owners than a stormwall to stock, so i'd expect it to be the most expensive of the bunch.
Anyone Else get the feeling this looks like a piece you will display? Not play? It looks to big and cumbersome to carry, Heck, you might have to buy a stroller to carry it around in.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Anyone Else get the feeling this looks like a piece you will display? Not play? It looks to big and cumbersome to carry, Heck, you might have to buy a stroller to carry it around in.
I'd like to claim my wife birthed that. Just think of all the questions that come after...
hotsauceman1 wrote: Anyone Else get the feeling this looks like a piece you will display? Not play? It looks to big and cumbersome to carry, Heck, you might have to buy a stroller to carry it around in.
Oh no. It will be played.
If I bought one and painted it, I'd want to play it. It's not like I'm
rocking award winning paintjobs.
That archangel is fantastic. Never been interested in these models, but this is really tempting me... luckily I am banned!! until our US trip is done and paid for
Love this model. Okay, there's my legion's colossal...any ideas On how to use this for Tyranids other besides a harridan (maybe a winged hive tyrant on steroids?)
Dysartes wrote: Given we've got no idea what they do yet, Nagashek, isn't it a little early to be that far around the DOOM! cycle?
Fair enough, I think I meant to say "IS that too much to ask for?" I admit I don't have high hopes for them, as our in faction ranged options are few and of middling to poor quality (or simply over costed.) I just can't imagine them having the damage output required to justify their cost.
I really don't understand why circle had to have ANOTHER ranged option. They already have the bloodtrackers and reeves. AND those little stone guys who's volume of fire gets more powerful with each hit.
Kurgash wrote: I really don't understand why circle had to have ANOTHER ranged option. They already have the bloodtrackers and reeves. AND those little stone guys who's volume of fire gets more powerful with each hit.
Wait for the rules, I guess. I'd love for a Crit slam or something nifty.
Kurgash wrote: I really don't understand why circle had to have ANOTHER ranged option. They already have the bloodtrackers and reeves. AND those little stone guys who's volume of fire gets more powerful with each hit.
I wouldn't exactly call BT's the height of ranged aggressiveness. By the time they're close enough to shoot, anything in the game is close enough to counter charge and annihilate them. It's so easy to counter their primary strength that they grow more and more difficult to use all the time. And the shrimps have 5 shooters max, and with their low BS (and no ability to boost) they don't often get to raise that POW higher than 12-13. We have few DEF debuffs and no POW buffs. And the Reeves are decent range, passable power, but 1ppm. Crikey that's rough for a faction with no access to Snipe.
Nagashek wrote: I wouldn't exactly call BT's the height of ranged aggressiveness. By the time they're close enough to shoot, anything in the game is close enough to counter charge and annihilate them. It's so easy to counter their primary strength that they grow more and more difficult to use all the time. And the shrimps have 5 shooters max, and with their low BS (and no ability to boost) they don't often get to raise that POW higher than 12-13. We have few DEF debuffs and no POW buffs. And the Reeves are decent range, passable power, but 1ppm. Crikey that's rough for a faction with no access to Snipe.
No access to any ranged buffs, unless you count Curse of Shadows. And Reeves are one of the very few units in the game that aren't just overpriced, but also badly designed. You need to use combined ranged attacks to hit anything, but that causes all but one of the attackers to miss out on Snap Fire & Swift Hunter.
I really want to see a comparison shot between this and the monster Heresy Dragon (of which less than 50 have been sent out after 4 years... but it's still an incredible sculpt). I think this might be on par with it for size and sheer awesomeness! Which is great since you can actually buy this one
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Note that those pigs are LESSER Warbeasts, not LIGHT Warbeasts. They're on small bases like the Legion Shredders. Only the second faction in the game to get something like that.
AduroT wrote: Note that those pigs are LESSER Warbeasts, not LIGHT Warbeasts. They're on small bases like the Legion Shredders. Only the second faction in the game to get something like that.
That's awesome. It's not a pignode, but it'll be really helpful to differentiate the pigs as a minion faction and will probably (finally) give them a speedy assault unit to run interference for the rest of the force. I can't wait to see what else they've got in store!
Love the Alpha model, and I was getting a set of Skinwalkers anyway when they came out in plastic in a couple of weeks, so fingers crossed for good rules on him. A speed boost, or something to generate more attacks like Berserk or Backswing would be just what they need, and make the unit a viable alternative to Gatormen.
Elemental wrote: Love the Alpha model, and I was getting a set of Skinwalkers anyway when they came out in plastic in a couple of weeks, so fingers crossed for good rules on him. A speed boost, or something to generate more attacks like Berserk or Backswing would be just what they need, and make the unit a viable alternative to Gatormen.
By the fluff description it sounds like they'll be getting consume, berserk, or both.
AduroT wrote: A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!
It'd make him a viable caster! But all kidding aside, it really wouldn't do much other than make him marginally harder to assassinate. He needs it.
If/when it comes I suspect that a 'pork node' won't follow the traditional Warmachine arcnode concepts. IMO we should expect something unusual (like the Gallows Grove or Spell Martyrs). I don't think an Arcadius specific channeller character beast (like Laris) or a magic pig that isn't actually a channeller (like the Cyclops Shaman) is out of the question. There's also the possibility of a Corrupter style arc node gun.
In other news I should be the owner of a Woldwrath next week. (I'm not sure if that actually constitutes Gargantuan news)
AduroT wrote: A Pork Node would be rather insane for what it would do for Arcadius. Crippling Grasp? Yes please!
It'd make him a viable caster! But all kidding aside, it really wouldn't do much other than make him marginally harder to assassinate. He needs it.
If/when it comes I suspect that a 'pork node' won't follow the traditional Warmachine arcnode concepts. IMO we should expect something unusual (like the Gallows Grove or Spell Martyrs). I don't think an Arcadius specific channeller character beast (like Laris) or a magic pig that isn't actually a channeller (like the Cyclops Shaman) is out of the question. There's also the possibility of a Corrupter style arc node gun.
In other news I should be the owner of a Woldwrath next week. (I'm not sure if that actually constitutes Gargantuan news)
The idea of a caster attachment with a paymaster or spell effect that could turn a nearby FF beast into a channeler (or arc node, it would be fluffy if it were actually the warmachine upgrade) would create some great new gameplay scenarios. It'd fit Arcadius' theme to have an assistant walking around with a mind control helmet or something to that effect. Problematically though, that would mean that there are two caster attachments total in the minions with both being arcadius' assistants. As a gator player I like the outside the box thinking the lesser warbeasts implied, I can't wait to see what they have in store for my side of the minions.
12thRonin wrote: To be fair, the Farrow need more help than the Gators do...
Not in the Collossals/gargantuan meta. Being unshootable is nice, but when the highest P+S available to your entire faction is 17, with no buffs anywhere it makes it hard to deal with stormwalls and mountain kings.
Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.
Yep, he lost an 8 inch spell that requires that he walk up to a colossal to get use out of (and thusly die). With parasite cast that gives a wrastler (which will be near dead by the time it gets there) the ability to strike 4 times at P+S 20 and twice at P+S18. That'll be -2 to -5 on the 20's depending on what you're facing given the clear preference for stacking armor buffs onto colossals/gargantuans. That'll average about 26 damage on a stormwall (if you don't miss), 52 if you can parasite, charge it with two wrastlers, and never miss. Any barely competent player won't let you do that.
Pigs can get a hog with aggression dial + carvers feat + mobility for a lengthy charge and 5 attacks, one at P+S 19/4 dice, 3 P+S 19/3 dice and and attack at P+S18/3 dice. That averages 40 damage. Warhogs cost 1 point less and have a longer threat range than wrastlers. Carver doesn't have to put himself in harms way to pull this off. Two hogs, which is fairly standard, will wreck a doublebuffed galleon.
Gators realistic tactic against collossals is Mealok assassinations. This is virtually impossible against menoth/trolls.
I love the lesser piggies. I think they look surprisingly good for a boar miniature. Especially compared to other boar miniatures out there *cough*.
Making a UA for the skinwalkers is just good business sense considering they are in the two player starter. Hopefully they'll also release a legion Warspears UA. That would be awesome.
12thRonin wrote: Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way.
I'm not sure on the pigs, but as a Gator player--Calaban's parasite isn't the answer to heavy armor. You can only pick him once and most armies you face every round are running some high ARM beat stick now--and Calaban has to get very close to get that spell off. Only way I've dealt with Colossals when I've played them is to toss gators past them or use Maelok to assassinate. Gators (and it sounds like Pigs) both need some AP love.
On topic though---that wing scale really brings it home. That's going to be one big mini.
12thRonin wrote:Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.
What do you mean, "gone"? Was there an Erata I missed? Or will he get an epic version in Gargantuans? I'd prefer an epic Barnabas, just to see where the fluff takes him.
12thRonin wrote:Apparently Calaban lost Parasite along the way. The best the Farrow can get is 20 with the Hog and Arcadius and he's got to burn fury and take damage to do it. If you look at the net effect, they're a push.
What do you mean, "gone"? Was there an Erata I missed? Or will he get an epic version in Gargantuans? I'd prefer an epic Barnabas, just to see where the fluff takes him.
I think 12thRonin was referring to Shuma's claim that "Being unshootable is nice, but when the highest P+S available to your entire faction is 17, with no buffs anywhere it makes it hard to deal with stormwalls and mountain kings."
(the Mountain King pics I took at Adepticon).
Swamp Zombies? YES PLEASE! 
That said i want one anyway!
(I'm not sure if that actually constitutes Gargantuan news) 
