Fresh from their Facebook news page, Kingdom Death will be launching a Kickstarter on Nov. 23rd. Given the superb quality of their minatures so far, I can see this one being very popular, and I'm all in before its even kicked off! I can only assume that 'Monsters', will be their eagerly anticipated game launch. We can only wait to see what goodies will be produced for us!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster?ref=category

About fething time!

THIS is the kickstarter I've been waiting for.

Adam Poots was kind enough to answer me some questions about his KS-plans via Email: Interview with Adam Poots about the Kingdom Death Kickstarter

I am also looking forward to this one a lot.

Sounds interesting, although im wondering how exactly they will be able to get away with a KS campaign. From what i've seen the Kingdom Death range has some very NSFW models. I guess they could just feature lots of pictures of their tame miniatures, and include the more 'extreme' stuff as either written text or external images.

The overall timing of the campaign is pretty poor IMO, launching and finishing during a major holiday season where most people will be spending their spare money on gifts and food (And other Christmas/religion related stuff.) might have a negative effect on how much money the campaign can reach.

I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

 Ouze wrote:
I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

But what a glorious 2 hours it will be!

1) I am really looking forward to this one - maybe I'll actually be able to get the models I want from them before they are 'sold out' again?

2) Given what happened to Tentacle Bento, I hope they pick their sculpts carefully!

3) And now a game based around their miniatures? Excellent! I just hope they make all their miniatures available for more than the aforementioned 2 hours!

 Ouze wrote:
I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

And I hope that in the tradition of your country, Free Speech is allowed and Kingdom Death can release whatever they want rather than having to shut down on the whims of protestors who allow one thing, but then argue the toss when something else doesn't follow their dictations.

I do think given the Christmas season, their timing is a little off, but, I'm in!

Much as I love the figures I suspect I can't afford another KS

oh well I'll have to wait and see what the options are (and there is always ebay)

 Alpharius wrote:

2) Given what happened to Tentacle Bento, I hope they pick their sculpts carefully!

I don't think Tentacle Bento got shot down because of their visuals.

*sigh* Troll Forge made me break my decision to not buy any more miniatures this year... now KD is going to make me do it again.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Adam Poots was kind enough to answer me some questions about his KS-plans via Email: Interview with Adam Poots about the Kingdom Death Kickstarter

I am also looking forward to this one a lot.

That's awesome (although he was as ever evasive). I will be watching with interest. I love the "beyond the wall" model and am sure some KS ones will be jaw dropping.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

2) Given what happened to Tentacle Bento, I hope they pick their sculpts carefully!

I don't think Tentacle Bento got shot down because of their visuals.

Cute.

But I'm pretty sure the "Wet Nurse" model would stimulate the same Outrage Nerve that got people all hot and bothered about TB too.

Looking forward to this one but the timing could be better not a great idea to run it so close to Christmas/holiday season - from reading the interview it looks like the KS is for mostly new sculpts for the actual game and a lot of the more controversal stuff won't feature until much nearer the end if everything else is funded so not much time to get shut down if people raise objections

Very surprised, pleasantly at that, to see a Kingdom Death KS. Cannot wait for the madness to start.

 Alpharius wrote:


Cute.

But I'm pretty sure the "Wet Nurse" model would stimulate the same Outrage Nerve that got people all hot and bothered about TB too.

True. But that is also one of the most extreme sculpts out there... even for KD.

It'll be interesting to see if it'll have things along the line of The Illuminated Lady or some of the Pin-Up models.

A "Pin-Up pledge level" could prove both popular and a potential problem depending on Kickstarter's policy on (plastic) boobies. The Brom Kickstarter went through fine with the odd nipple flashing. So here's to hoping.

The Tentacle Bento got flak (incl. from powerful lobby-groups like Amnesty) for it's embrace of sexual assault, not specifically any issue with nudity.

But yes, it'll be worth watching for another likely example of the "Dragon Age 2" (possibly NSFW pic spoilered below) paradox in public perception being on display if KD goes outside of Kickstarter's comfort zone.

 Ouze wrote:
I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

The models will be "out of stock" long before then.

 Zweischneid wrote:


But yes, it'll be worth watching for another likely example of the "Dragon Age 2" (possibly NSFW pic spoilered below) paradox in public perception being on display if KD goes outside of Kickstarter's comfort zone.

Spoiler:

Now THAT is a funny picture!

And you're right, it will be interesting to see what boundaries (if any) get pushed here...

The Tentacle Bento incident was blown way of proportion (imho). I don't see that being an issue here because there's no rape, just nudity, genital-shaped monstrosities, BDSM and violence. Good wholesome stuff compared to that Soda Pop Miniature trash of being an octopus monster capturing girls.

Anyway, there are other Kickstarters that have nudity so I don't think this one will get pulled for it. A Pin-Up level would be nice depending on how their whole system is tiered, and I imagine would make buttloads of cash especially if offered at a KS discount. Most excited about, as Alpharius pointed out, actually being able to purchase models from Kingdom Death. I've been trying to give them my money, but they don't seem to want it!


(Disclaimer: Don't actually consider SPM or Tentacle Bento trash, was being sarcastic. Feels like I need to state that explicitly in this case, just to be safe.)

I would reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly

Really

REALLY

Rather talk about Kingdom Death and their exciting new game / kickstarter, than rehash the whole Soda Pop Tentacle Bento drama.

Hopefully when there is something to see (in a week?) we can talk about what matters- the sculpts, the game rules, the universe/background, etc.

I have two Kingdom death minis. Absolutely beautiful scuplts and molds.

To be fair, I was considering moving on and selling them, as they have not had a real purpose (other than to taunt my modest painting skills). But, for them to have a game finally coming out, and for it to be COOPERATIVE is my than I could ask for.

Poor, poor credit card.

I had picked up the Flower Knight, and thought it looked amazing! However, I ended up selling it because the taller scale (32mm?) meant I couldn't really use it for anything else, and of course it was impossible to count on getting any of the models with how fast they sold out.

But with them (one would think) all being available through the Kickstarter, I can see them doing very well!

Personally, I probably won't be pledging... I have sworn off Kickstarter through the end of the year. But I will be window shopping

 TheSecretSquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

And I hope that in the tradition of your country, Free Speech is allowed and Kingdom Death can release whatever they want rather than having to shut down on the whims of protestors who allow one thing, but then argue the toss when something else doesn't follow their dictations.

I do think given the Christmas season, their timing is a little off, but, I'm in!

In the traditions of our country, Free Speech will entitle anyone and everyone to bitch and complain to no end whatsoever about whatever they want to complain about. Kingdom Death can take the criticism however they want, but presumably they're not 8-year-olds who will somehow fold under the pressure of internet complaining (which is about as harmful as being hit with a wet noodle).

Just when I thought I MIGHT save some money this month! lol..
Looking forward to it!

Wet Nurse the Skirmish Game?
Looking forward to the names of the pledge levels

 RiTides wrote:
I would reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly

Really

REALLY

Rather talk about Kingdom Death and their exciting new game / kickstarter, than rehash the whole Soda Pop Tentacle Bento drama.

Hopefully when there is something to see (in a week?) we can talk about what matters- the sculpts, the game rules, the universe/background, etc.

That would be nice, but that all depends on the miniatures involved, I'd think.

Given what some of their 'monsters' look like and what their implied actions are... we'll see!

Good timing don't have much else on the radar as far as kick starters go!

 TheSecretSquig wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I hope that, in the Kingdom Death tradition, the Kickstarter only lasts 2 hours.

And I hope that in the tradition of your country, Free Speech is allowed and Kingdom Death can release whatever they want rather than having to shut down on the whims of protestors who allow one thing, but then argue the toss when something else doesn't follow their dictations.

I do think given the Christmas season, their timing is a little off, but, I'm in!

And perhaps when idly musing on tradition of other countries, you might firstly learn that capitalization in "free speech" is mostly a matter of being "Freely Obnoxious" and perhaps a bit " Pompously Speaking" but not much anything of use, secondly remember that while free speech indeed should protect nearly anything not a concrete threat, direct exhortation to unlawful acts against others or straight-up libel, unconditionally, it has always been understood to be protection against the government or semi-governmental actors and thirdly that this last bit is there more than anything because while you certainly have your "free speech" rights to say whatever you like, I have my "free speech" rights to, for example, disagree vocally or instead choose to not broadcast or in any way not legally required of me aid you in that speech - and so does every free person and company under that rule of "free speech".

...Even kickstarter, however entitled some whiny little snots, lacking even the few brain cells required to correctly remember the definition of censorship, may feel.

While I certainly do *not* agree with KS's decision to pull the TB project, I'll bloody well defend their right to do so, just as it is my right to not in any way aid the expression of either neo-nazi sentiments or those making the case for hate-crime legislation (//still a toss-up which of those I despise more, really, at least neo-nazis make can me laugh sometimes )

@Secret Squig: i think you misread Ouze's intent with the comment, mate...
i read it as a reference to how fast the minis sell out on the website everytime there is a new release...

i hope this does well...
i had always heard that Adam meant to rerelease all the LE minis for the game set, which is why i never rushed to get any...
we'll see what happens...

cheers
jah

 drazz wrote:
I have two Kingdom death minis. Absolutely beautiful scuplts and molds.

I have four. Expensive and worth every single penny. I'd stop bitchin' about GW if their stuff was this high caliber.

Yup, I've seen a few up close - absolutely awesome. Even if the style might not be your thing, at least technically they're impressive as hell!
I do wonder, though. much of KD's appeal comes from the highly detailed resin kits he does now; this KS however will be for a "boxed game" with figures in "plastic" (whatever the hell that means; it's not exactly too specific a term!) going more for a mass appeal.
I don't know if it will quite survive that translation as we might hope.
Nothing to do about it but wait and see I guess, but to get yourself all excited for something up his usual alley might not be wise.

If you read the interview link someone posted, Adam describes the game as containing more generic peices, rather than the Boutique Horror stuff we've all come to know and love, so I doubt we'll be seeing something like the Wet Nurse.

Guess we'll see in the coming weeks what's in store. I currently own most of the Kingdom Death models, they're on that ever growing 'to do' pile!

Hello!

During the course of the campaign I plan to make myself available to answer as many questions as I possibly can and I wanted to ask what thread here on dakka would be most appropriate to do so.

I do not want to impede anyones free thoughts and feelings, but would like to offer facts and insight that would be otherwise very hard to find!

Please advise me, and thank you.

Hi KD, great to see you here.

I was going to make a Kingdom Death ongoing news & rumour thead as soon as the next batch of release's come up, but if your joined up you could do it instead of me if you want, your choice really. In terms of the kickstarter that will get a serprate thread either created by me or someone else, depends who gets round to it first. The News & Rumour thread and the kickstarter thread could be combined if thats works better for you, but I personally feel it would get a little "cluttered".

Either way let me know what you would prefer.

For the Kingdom Death Kickstarter campaign, this Kingdom Death Kickstarter campaign thread seems appropriate

Yep, what they said . We welcome first party comments on Dakka, so please feel free to post anything and everything!

I hope they don't move too far away from the boutique horror style they've been doing. That was what made them unique in a market getting a bit saturated with generic Fantasy stuff.

Damn them!

This will be the 3rd KS I've put in on this year. If this ends up being good, I'm going to go broke...

Yea, I just found about Kingdom Death Minis, and am already trying to figure out what I can do with out to get some of their stuff, and with a KS, no matter how good it looks, I hope the game play is well thought out.

It is awesome that this KS will focus mainly on new releases. This will attract more people, both those that have purchased earlier miniatures as well as those that never got the opportunity. Hopefully, as the campaign draws more money, Adam Poots might include some of the sold out pieces (Wet Nurse, Gorm, Manhunter, etc.) as possible add-ons or stretch goals.

I am looking foward to all pleasant surprises.

I've been waiting for this to appear in one form or another. Nice that it coincides with a nice windfall

I'm intrigued by the bit in the interview that mentions armour that can be added onto the heroes to make them more unique

"The newest thing in terms of the miniatures will be the introduction of interchangeable armor kits, so people can customize their character(s) to a much greater extent."

It'll be interesting to see how this works and how easy it will be to evolve your character over time.

I see they've added a countdown timer to the Kingdom Death website KS goes live in 25 hours from now

http://kingdomdeath.com

Aye, the armour changing and customisation sounds good. It will be good to build up your character. My guess would be you start as a lowly survivor and build yourself up to a game hunter, white speaker, etc etc.

Also, I've been reading into some of the given hints and comments that this will be inspired in some fashion by warhammer quest. If true: Nice!

Just hope some of the more disturbing sexual imagery is toned down a bit.

I am eagerly awaiting this.

Darn it!! Actually starts at midnight, is there a reason that I would stay up or can I just join in tomorrow.

Yes, I am excited!!

yeah,

 Makaleth wrote:
Darn it!! Actually starts at midnight, is there a reason that I would stay up or can I just join in tomorrow. Yes, I am excited!!

Depends on If they have early bird specials! Kingdom death in renown for it's limited runs and elite collectors membership! so some items might be 1-10 backers even at low levels..
pure speculation mind...
Panic...

Makaleth- looks like it starts at midnight EST, wouldn't that be... like around noon in Aus? (Your flag?)

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 Makaleth wrote:
Darn it!! Actually starts at midnight, is there a reason that I would stay up or can I just join in tomorrow. Yes, I am excited!!

Depends on If they have early bird specials! Kingdom death in renown for it's limited runs and elite collectors membership! so some items might be 1-10 backers even at low levels..
pure speculation mind...
Panic...

Well, I hope if the early birds are in, there's more than just 10 runs! Looks like I'm staying up tonight...


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Oh, I assume cmon are the publishers for this? Hints seem to indicate as such.

I am confused... so this isn't a kickstarter.
Is it just buying Ltd Release Models to help it along?

Kingdom Death?

Nope this is for the new board game Monster which will contain 20+ new sculpts the existing limited edition stuff may or may not feature but it's not the focus of the kick starter.

this is an early prototype image from their website:


more info from various sources:

The Kickstarter is for “Kingdom Death – Monster” our first miniature board game. The game features cooperative gameplay, over 20 never before seen miniatures including a huge monster sculpted by JAG and… well I really don’t want to spoil it so, please just check us out on friday!

The main pledge level will be $100 as seems to be the norm with this type of project now.

I'll be staying up to watch this go live in around 4 hours time. - UPDATE actually maybe I won't I'm seeing reports that the count down timer is counting down to midnight in whatever time zone your in - some people are already at 0 hours left so it looks like this goes live at midnight EST which would be 5AM GMT will have to set the alarm clock.

Yeah, Mine ended at midnight for me as well (which is why it confused me).

Hopefully there is no early bird on this (As I cannot stay up 24 hours to get it!) ;-)

I'm in the UK, it currently says its at 2hrs, 5m, not sure how its showing for everyone else.

BTW someone better get a thread up for this Kickstarter soon.

 Rolt wrote:
I'm in the UK, it currently says its at 2hrs, 5m, not sure how its showing for everyone else.

For me too.

But even if there are differences, it's likely a function of the timer he put up on his own website (say, he set the time to count down to "midnight" and it does just that responding to time kept in your browser).

I highly doubt there will be a sequential Kickstarter-go-live sort of thing.

I think it'll be midnight EST.

 Rolt wrote:
BTW someone better get a thread up for this Kickstarter soon.

I thought that was what this thread was for.

The main pledge level will be $100 as seems to be the norm with this type of project now.

Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case now!

Still, if the miniatures are up to their usual standards... $5 each without any interesting stretch goals seems OK?

 Alpharius wrote:

The main pledge level will be $100 as seems to be the norm with this type of project now.

Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case now!

Still, if the miniatures are up to their usual standards... $5 each without any interesting stretch goals seems OK?

Sounds about right don't forget the game also has tiles, dice (D10s) and cards as well plus I can't wait see what the large monster by JAG is. I'd say stretch goals will probably add more of the generic miniatures and later may add more special/hero miniatures. I'll back this for $100 (or maybe more depends on the reward levels) and I'll be happy with the game with 20 miniatures for that price even if we unlock nothing else the stretch goals are just bonuses and aren't my main reason for backing the project - with some of these projects some backers expectations for what their $100 gets them has become unrealistic.

The plan seems to be to just reveal 1 or 2 stretch goals at a time to keep people guessing I have to say I prefer this method of stretch goals I like to be surprised by what's next keeps the interest up rather than seeing everything planned to X dollars plus having stretch goals to unrealistically high amounts can put people off from the start - not that I don't think this will take a lot of money but don't come right out looking for $1million! build up to it over $10k to $20k stretch goals.


Here's Kingdom Death's kickstarter creator's page - I assume they are running this themselves and it will appear here soon:
http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/poots/created

 DaveC wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

The main pledge level will be $100 as seems to be the norm with this type of project now.

Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be the case now!

Still, if the miniatures are up to their usual standards... $5 each without any interesting stretch goals seems OK?

Sounds about right don't forget the game also has tiles, dice (D10s) and cards as well plus I can't wait see what the large monster by JAG is. I'd say stretch goals will probably add more of the generic miniatures and later may add more special/hero miniatures. I'll back this for $100 (or maybe more depends on the reward levels) and I'll be happy with the game with 20 miniatures for that price even if we unlock nothing else the stretch goals are just bonuses and aren't my main reason for backing the project - with some of these projects some backers expectations for what their $100 gets them has become unrealistic.

Well, yes and no.

If the 'expectation' for this kind of thing is now "$100", then the flip side of that is we should 'expect' something pretty good for that $100.

$100 is no small amount of money!

And, as noted, the bar has been set by SEDITION WARS, RELIC KNIGHTS, ZOMBIECIDE, etc.

Whhhaaat?

The KD Timer page updated its reads: Kingdom Death:Monster Launching 23/11/2012, 12.01AM

So at least with have a final date of sorts, looks like its running on GMT time after all.

Maybe KS hasn't aproved the project yet ?

Impacts Chibi project was about 2-3 weeks late as KS took their time about it

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Maybe KS hasn't aproved the project yet ?

Impacts Chibi project was about 2-3 weeks late as KS took their time about it

No. It's just a stupid timer because it runs off your computers clock.

Go to your computer settings. Change the time and/or date and check the timer again. If you, say, change your computer's date to the 21st, you'll have the timer back showing 47 hours.

Presumably the KS will start at midnight of the time-zone that Kingdom Death has their computer set to (New York I believe).

Hmm. A chess-like board game wasn't what I was expecting. And here I was hoping it would be my first foray into kickstarting.

It's live

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster

There are 100 black Friday specials for $85 rather than $100 but man that $45 international shipping is steep I actually wouldn't back it if I hadn't got the black Friday special to offset some of the postage.

 -Loki- wrote:
Hmm. A chess-like board game wasn't what I was expecting. And here I was hoping it would be my first foray into kickstarting.

Fear not, it's... I dunno what it is...

WELL DONE BUZZSAW!!
First pledger!


In for $295 (Black Friday Sale and Shipping!)
Really happy about this one

Already at $4500... 6 mins in!!!

You know, whatever else you can say about Adam Poots, the man has got some serious graphic design chops: this may be the best laid-out kickstarter I have ever seen in terms of making it clear what is in which level.

I've grabbed a black Friday Game pledge, but wondering if the 2 KS exclusive minis are worth upping it...

Eh, I can always do that later, gotta hold my place in line!

What the hell is with the weird random hands coming out of everything?

In for the special...already pining for the limited edition models though. I'm still recovering from the savage testicular beating that is that shipping charge.

Is there a proper photo of what models you get? $55 for two models is ludicrous, but I'd at least like to have a look.

well considering the standard cost of a kingdom death limited edition and general release resin miniature is in the range of 20 to 30 $US normally .... then there is really nothing ludicrous about it at all .

Also in at the Black Friday special price, and hoping the KS LE models will be available as additional purchases in this KS eventually?

And yes - better pictures of the miniatures would be appreciated too!

keas66 wrote:
well considering the standard cost of a kingdom death limited edition and general release resin miniature is in the range of 20 to 30 $US normally .... then there is really nothing ludicrous about it at all .

*shrug* I guess this is the first time Kingdom Death has actually continued selling a product long enough for me to notice how much it would cost.

 Alpharius wrote:
Also in at the Black Friday special price, and hoping the KS LE models will be available as additional purchases in this KS eventually?

And yes - better pictures of the miniatures would be appreciated too!

I asked Poots a question about that: it seems rather odd that the KS exclusives are at $155, as that level seems to offer a markedly less value then other levels (the tee shirt is apparently valued at $35? That's... a bit much).


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Continuing on the thought I had above, it's rather odd... am I imagining things, or would it be a much better value to grab the black Friday Game ($85) and use a second account to buy the $70 resin explorer set?

I've upped my pledge to the deluxe set at $250 as I think there may be more to it by the end but I also have an $85 pledge held on my second account just in case so that covers me either way.

Re shipping $45 is actually about right I know Zombicide cost CMON $52 to ship to me still stings as bit but I understand it plus the black Friday deal covers my shipping fee.

Ok, is this the fastest mini related KS out of the gate yet??

It is moving quickly!

Looking at the tiny pictures, there don't seem to be many actual monsters in the game?

Stretch goals/add ons to come?

plastictrees wrote:
Ok, is this the fastest mini related KS out of the gate yet??

This one does have boobies, after all. Judging from the art and LE resin, possibly even naked boobies at that. Hence $30k in less than an hour.

Jokes aside, they look like really nice miniatures, though I echo H.B.M.C.'s confusion about random hands coming out of everything.

Holy gak, it just keeps going up...this is going to get funded in less than two hours.

And funded in 1 hour 14 minutes on to the stretch goals!

 -Loki- wrote:
Hmm. A chess-like board game wasn't what I was expecting. And here I was hoping it would be my first foray into kickstarting.

Perhaps one day they will make a skirmish game out of it. Have a feeling most people are not buying the game for the rules, but for the minis.

that said, with co-op games being huge in my area, I went in.

best case scenario, I have a fun game.

Worse case scenario, I can vulture someone on ebay.

Wasn't planning on going in on this, but fixed a lot of snow blowers on the side the past month.

$200 including shipping. My body was ready.

Not really feeling it here. Though I certainly understand that there are a lot of preexisting fans of the artist, I don't see the value for myself, particularly with the expensive shipping and a year's lead time.

A $20k stretch goal right off the bat is pretty ambitious. This will be an entertaining one to watch.

Over $46k currently and with 45 days left to run.

This one is going to be nuts.

Adam has added a second lot of black Friday specials for $86 limited to 100.

Now about $4k from the first stretch goal.

Ah well I just can't afford it,

at least at the level I would want to be at....

and the understandable but expensive postage finishes for me (sob)

oh well, i hope it does well (& the actual game is good)

In the email sent for pledging, they said that there would be options for the Adam and Anna models. Am I just missing something, or are they just not added yet?

EDIT: The first goal is already reached! Can't wait to see what the next one is. I'd personally like to see more armour and monsters, although some of the magnificent single-pose models would also be fantastic.

 Fafnir wrote:
In the email sent for pledging, they said that there would be options for the Adam and Anna models. Am I just missing something, or are they just not added yet

Just add $30 to your pledge total to buy them there is no separate option for them when you get your survey after the KS ends you can specify what the $30 is for then.

Am in, though at $295 I won't be going for the resins :( Looks like the $155 is the default level for this kickstarter or $200 for those of us outside the us...


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Just noticed this under the updates:

Options :
+$25 for the Tshirt ( its gonna be awesomely made i promise! )
+$30 for the two Kickstarter Exclusives in Plastic ( includes artwork! )
+$50 for the two Kickstarter Exclusives in Resin ( just like our collectors range )

Comments under Update #2 suggest that everything about this KS will be accelerated, including the indignation of backers.

Can someone post the text of update #2 as I can't access KS from work. Thanks.

 DaveC wrote:
Can someone post the text of update #2 as I can't access KS from work. Thanks.

"This is outstanding! We have already reached 60k and its only been 3 and a half hours! My mind is blown. Let's celebrate with a stretch goal and the introduction of our first pinup, the Rawhide Dame. A totally optional miniature to collect or use as an alternate in the game or to just collect, not required for gameplay just for fun.

If we hit 80k, Anyone eligible for the survivor or deluxe survivor level will get double the rawhide armor kits. Making a total of 8 miniatures or adding to the pool of parts to customize your survivors.

To help us along the way, The Rawhide Dame is available in plastic for +$15, or as a resin collectors edition for +$25, simply increase your pledge level and when the campaign is over we will sort everything out."

Thanks – Ah I see so into the optional purchases already - I assume people are complaining that this adds nothing to the game for their pledge money and that they are being nickeled and dimed already!

Can't beat CMON kickstarter campaigns imho

I really hope the KD kickstarter will also add "free" miniatures to the stretch goals instead of optional miniatures you have to pay for.

Well at 80K you will be able to add new figure in plastic (15) or resin (25)

but

the 155+ levels will get the bits to make 4 more plastic minis (rawhide armour versions) too

so it seems fair enough (says the man who can't afford to buy in)

$45 shipping is soooo damn steep. I almost bought in the $85 package but it sold out so fast and I am weary of the shipping. $500 something of Sedition Wars shipped for that lol

+$15 to +$25 for add on miniatures seems to be pushing the limit/testing the market a bit.

Hopefully the miniatures themselves are interesting/well done enough, and hopefully future stretch goals will be too.

I'm wavering already...

Well, $25 is what they sell the resin minis for on his website. There seems to be no "Kickstarter-discount", but neither are they more expensive.

But yeah, right now it feels like the US$ 155,- pledge with stretch goals is the (only) one for Kickstarter-savings. The lower miniature-only pledges seem identical to his website prices (though they are different minis) and the game - at least for a non-US guy like me - is likely going to be cheaper Christmas 2013 off some e-tailer without the $ 45,- shipping and import taxes.

Even more so if I put those US$ 100,- into some interest-earning account till than.

Hmmm so it seems the $155 level is the place to be for the stretch goals (that’s $200 for me with shipping) I thought the $85 level seemed to good to be true (currently pledged at $160 - $85 plus $45 shipping plus $30 for the ltd. plastic Adam and Anna). I’ll have to give this some consideration later I have plenty in the budget for this game but I don’t want to give up a Black Friday special deal until I’m sure the $155 level is the better option – I am basing everything off what I’m reading here at the moment as I can’t access the KS until I get home tonight.

The $45 postage is steep but having seen that my Zombicide game cost $52 to ship I know that at least in my case the shipping rate is about right and Adam has said he’s going to try and see what he can do about it I’d agree that Canadians in particular are getting a raw deal on the single shipping rate to all non US destinations.

I am in for the $129 Black Friday special (Survivor). Extra Phoenix and 4 extra armored survivors already.

This will be my first KS of the new year! Since money won't come out till then and keeps my pledge of no new KS in 2012... barely

 RiTides wrote:
I am in for the $129 Black Friday special (Survivor).

What the ... there was no Survivor special for $129 when I backed first thing this morning - I've just checked my tablet as it's not been connected to the interenet since I left home and this was not an option then. I'd have definitely backed Survivor at that price I'm actually some what annoyed now that this was added after the fact.

 DaveC wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I am in for the $129 Black Friday special (Survivor).

What the ... there was no Survivor special for $129 when I backed first thing this morning - I've just checked my tablet as it's not been connected to the interenet since I left home and this was not an option then. I'd have definitely backed Survivor at that price I'm actually some what annoyed now that this was added after the fact.

Same here.

That's more than a little annoying.

I was on the fence about staying in at $85.

Unless this gets real good, I don't think I'll be hanging on to it.

Broke 100K in less than 9 hours!

Alph and DaveC- Bummer, maybe he'll add a copy of it (he did with all the other Black Friday specials when they ran out).


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Also I jumped the gun- extra Phoenix for Survivor and above hits at 105K (imminently!).


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Annnnnd he added a copy of Survivor special for $130 so you guys might want to switch to that.

 DaveC wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I am in for the $129 Black Friday special (Survivor).

What the ... there was no Survivor special for $129 when I backed first thing this morning - I've just checked my tablet as it's not been connected to the interenet since I left home and this was not an option then. I'd have definitely backed Survivor at that price I'm actually some what annoyed now that this was added after the fact.

There is round two for 130 up now. Some 80 or so left.

RiTides- thanks for the update - I'm in at $130 now.

This one should be quite the ride, and clearly will be challenging Sedition Wars for #2 and, dare I say, Reaper for #1?!?

At this pace, who knows!

 Alpharius wrote:
RiTides- thanks for the update - I'm in at $130 now.

This one should be quite the ride, and clearly will be challenging Sedition Wars for #2 and, dare I say, Reaper for #1?!?

At this pace, who knows!

Will be interesting to see how they planned it. 45 days is a long way to keep the tension and excitement. I am quite surprised they didn't do just 30 days and enjoy their holidays with the million + in the bag.

Thanks RiTides I ran around to the local coffee shop with my tablet and used their Wifi to change my pledge to the $130 Survivor level.

Sweet DaveC I have a mental picture now!

I think it's smart to end it after the holidays. I couldn't be in otherwise! Makes a good present, use money gifts towards it, etc etc


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Glad you got in, too Alph! I pledged from my phone at my relatives' place.

This isn't shipping for a year!!!

The minis look great, but it's going to take a lot more to wrench money out of my hand. I'd also like to see more pictures of the individual minis.

 RiTides wrote:
Sweet DaveC I have a mental picture now!

I think it's smart to end it after the holidays. I couldn't be in otherwise! Makes a good present, use money gifts towards it, etc etc

Makes sense. Still. Reaper was "only" 30 days and Sedition Wars was something like 35.

Imagine either having to string it along another two weeks or so

They would have hit a holiday lull anyway, might as well build that in to the run time.

A one year delivery time seems reassuringly realistic.

I don't think CMON is involved in this incidentally.

 Bat Manuel wrote:
This isn't shipping for a year!!!

Don't know how I overlooked that bit of info, but I did.

Ouch!

November 2013 seems a long ways away!

 Bat Manuel wrote:

The minis look great, but it's going to take a lot more to wrench money out of my hand. I'd also like to see more pictures of the individual minis.

Yeah, me too.

We really do need some better shots of these miniatures...

There should be a link on the first page or at least directions on the subject line IMO...


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Wow, 120k after less then 24 hrs and I still see NOTHING new from the starter kit.... These are the lamest stretch goals yet this this is going to finish bigger then sedition wars?!

The main box now includes an extra armour set. I'll be interested to see where the "wall" is in the boxed game and how this affects stretch goals

My energy drink has run dry, the sun is beating down on my face but I am happy. My fragile mind has been blow apart thanks to you guys and the only way I can think to thank you is by setting the next goal to upgrade the game box itself!

If we hit 140k, we will upgrade the game box with the Lantern Armor kit. The kit can create 4 miniatures and is interchangeable with all the former armor kits. The lantern armor kit represents the survivors first crude foray into metal working, in their world devoid of most natural resources the mysterious lantern hoard the cling to for light also provides a bit of scrap for them to learn from.

This will bring the core boxed game up to 6 armor kits! However, I want to make this clear that there is a financial wall I cannot pass when it comes to upgrading the core box. I want to add as much as possible but I also need to be responsible. Thank you in advance for your understanding.

To help us reach this goal, I have lined up one of our most requested miniature for the plastic que! Beyond the Wall is a diorama piece and will not feature any game rules, however for +$15 she can be added to your rewards for collecting, painting and / or converting. For +$27 an unnumbered resin encore version including everything in the photo below can be added to your rewards.

Do you mean no new pictures and info? Because the first stretch goal added to the base game, as does the next stretch.

I think people have weird expectations for a KS that's less than half a day old.

 Alpharius wrote:
RiTides- thanks for the update - I'm in at $130 now.

That package is away and there's a 3rd one at $131, which I'm in (which was *painful*) as I can see this taking off in a big way

plastictrees wrote:
Do you mean no new pictures and info? Because the first stretch goal added to the base game, as does the next stretch.

I think people have weird expectations for a KS that's less than half a day old.

At the rate they are adding new items, I'm wondering how quickly they are going to run out of bits to add... We've already passed three stretch goals and are half way to the fourth in 12 hours!

I`m curious how far he`s prepared as well. I`d imagine that selling KD minis the way he has up until know has given him a good sense of the popularity of the range.

 endtransmission wrote:

plastictrees wrote:
Do you mean no new pictures and info? Because the first stretch goal added to the base game, as does the next stretch.

I think people have weird expectations for a KS that's less than half a day old.

At the rate they are adding new items, I'm wondering how quickly they are going to run out of bits to add... We've already passed three stretch goals and are half way to the fourth in 12 hours!

Those stretch goals were lame to be fair.... I mean, a couple more naked adventurers and and armored kit? The extra phoenix doesn't count for me... that was a bit lame.

So there is a 131$ pledge available now for the goals. I am in.

plastictrees wrote:
I`m curious how far he`s prepared as well. I`d imagine that selling KD minis the way he has up until know has given him a good sense of the popularity of the range.

By his profile, he's also backed some 20+ projects himself, including DreadBall, Sedition War, Relic Knights and some smaller ones such as Red Box and Assimilation Alien Host.

He should have a fair sense of how these things go down.

Only 20 of the $131 Survivors left.

Is CMON involved (seemingly not) or if not, who? He mentions a partner experienced with this, I can't find where atm.

Aye, I do feel a bit of underestimation on kingdom deaths behalf. This could well end up being the right product at the right time but with not enough capacity to cope with demand!


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One thing I do like about this is the deep ocean feel of the game. To me it seems to mirror the hadal zone of the oceans:

The constant lack of light
The kill or be killed theme
The total lack of any resources or plants
The lanterns acting like bioluminescence drawing in other predators
The bizarre and other worldly nature of the creatures

I'm in at $250 + $45 P&P. As much as I want to support Adam and the KD stuff, I was a bit surprised to see the 1 year waiting time for the game. I own a fair share of the limited edition resins already, but have no issue adding some more to the collection.

Really going to enjoy tracking this Kickstarter, lets see whats in store..................

Oh. There goes goal number 4, adding Lantern Armour kits to the game

Any pictures yet? What do the armor kits look like? How does the snap on work?

I need to see more before I pledge.

Also, would love to know definitively if CMoN is involved...

~Eric

Taarnak wrote:
How does the snap on work?

What do you mean: snap on? AFAIK the miniatures are just normal plastic miniatures, if they are snap on, I'm removing my pledge post quick...

Snap on ? Based on the first few plastic releases from Kingdom death - ie Experiment of Death , the optional parts that are supplied are like normal plastic bitz . You choose which ones you want to use and either glue them on or magnetize them as you desire .

That may be the case. I may have misread, but I swear I read that the armor would be swappable somehow.

If not, oh well. Still need more pictures.

~Eric

Well it is a question to post on the kickstarter anyway just to be sure .

Adam posted a link to a comparison shot of the resin and PVC used on one of his pinups (not in this KS) just t give folk a better idea of what they're looking at

I thought I would miss out on this, but a BF-Survivor slot and a friend who's chipping is let me pledge


Addressing the 'snap on' armour question this is clearly not the case. The image below (from the latest update) shows what is in the Phonix Armour kit



and it shows the multiple bits you'll use to assemble the mini (presuambly resin masters as I don't imagine Adam will have been able to spring for expensive metal moulds yet)

Also a link to an interview with Adam talking about the game & where he wants to go with it (he mentions wanting to get it into distribution by CMON)

http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/industry-talk-adam-poots.html

yeah,
Looks really really good, might even be a good game.
But $100 plus $45 postage for a game I receive this time NEXT year....

Pass.

Panic..

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


Adam posted a link to a comparison shot of the resin and PVC used on one of his pinups (not in this KS) just t give folk a better idea of what they're looking at

I thought I would miss out on this, but a BF-Survivor slot and a friend who's chipping is let me pledge

That looks like it has similar shrinkage to the Restic that Mantic uses. Wonder if it is the same supplier? Also, I wonder if this will make the figures scale better to other manufacturer's lines?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Addressing the 'snap on' armour question this is clearly not the case. The image below (from the latest update) shows what is in the Phonix Armour kit



and it shows the multiple bits you'll use to assemble the mini (presuambly resin masters as I don't imagine Adam will have been able to spring for expensive metal moulds yet)

I definitely misread or misremember then. Thanks for the picture.

~Eric

Can someone do a screen capture of the White Lion armor kits from the video?

Best way currently to look at the various armors is to watch the vid. He even shows some built with combinations. Pretty darn sweet!

And over 150K already

It looks like the amount of $15/$25 add-ons is going to amount to a lot of extra money in this campaign.

It might not be so easy to say "I'll get 'em all!" in the end.

True, but I am not after the pin-ups anyway.

If this breaks 1000 backers and 200K day 1, it will be insane!

 Alpharius wrote:
It looks like the amount of $15/$25 add-ons is going to amount to a lot of extra money in this campaign.

It might not be so easy to say "I'll get 'em all!" in the end.

Yeah there is. "King of Death" Pledge at US$ 5.000,- . Gives you every mini they produce, including past runs.

Doesn't seem worth it to me atm. The sum of KD's backlog would be < US $2.000 at "normal prices"; but who knows what they've got planned.

So here's a recap on what's in it so far

Game Box
4 unarmoured survivors
5 armour kits (builds 20 survivors)
7 monsters (Lion, Antelope, Phoenix, Mings Man, Butcher, Kings hand, Watcher

KS extras
+4 unarmoured minis (game box upgrade)
+4 rawhide armour minis (survivor upwards only)
+1 phoenix (survivor upwards only)
+4 lantern armour minis (game box upgrade)
+1 watcher (survivor upwards only) at 185K
+4 Phonix armour minis (survivor upwards only) at $200K

Optional Add Ons
$25/50 Adam & Anna, the survivors (resin/plastic), in some pledge levels already
$25 T-Shirt, in some pledge levels already
$15/25 Rawhide Dame (resin/plastic)
$150 Phoenix (resin), plastic in game box already
$15/27 Beyond the Wall (plastic/resin), existing sold out KD sculpt
$15/35 Watcher (plastic/resin), plastic in game box already
$15/25 Phoenix Dancer (plastic/resin) at $200K

The minis look great and all, but I hope with more stretches reached, we'll get to see more of the mono-pose KD minis that aren't pinups.

Agreed Fafnir... but that would hurt my wallet.

One final $135 Survivor black Friday pledge level opened up, around 75 left! This is the sweet spot for stretch goals.

 RiTides wrote:
Agreed Fafnir... but that would hurt my wallet.

See, it'll hurt your wallet more, but in the long run, it makes that absurd shipping price much more tolerable for me.

I really, truly do hope that he can manage to save on the shipping, at least for Canada. At this rate, it would almost cost me less to drive down to the border and pick it up from there.

So... are their figs the usual 28-30mm kind, or are they more like 54mm or something like that? I thought I remembered that they did bigger figs, but maybe that was just special stuff...

they're 'slightly' oversized for general 28mm heroic use, though not to the point of being completely out of place. it's not dystopian legions level bad by far, to give you an idea.

 Bolognesus wrote:
they're 'slightly' oversized for general 28mm heroic use, though not to the point of being completely out of place. it's not dystopian legions level bad by far, to give you an idea.

Though some are bigger than others - for example, I've heard that the Flower Knight is a bit on the larger size.

Yeah, the Flower Knight is pretty big, but it's distinctly non-human in the first place. It's also incredibly beautiful.

Just backed at the Survivor level. I'm a little put off by the delivery date being a year from now, but at least I have a month and a half to change my mind.

As Fafnir said, I believe the flower knight is supposed to be some kind of golem or supernatural thingy anyway.

actually the FK scales perfectly with other minis; it's immediately obvious it's *supposed* to be bigger

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Just backed at the Survivor level. I'm a little put off by the delivery date being a year from now, but at least I have a month and a half to change my mind.

I was about to post the exact same thing. Get out of my head man!!

My gut tells me that Adam is being smart and giving a very conservative delivery date. He could very easily have said the delivery date was May or June and then shortly after the Kickstarter closed turned around and said things would be delayed, like pretty much every other Kickstarter. I'd rather know up front that delivery will be later next year and then be pleasantly surprised if it gets pushed up a month.

It's interesting - I certainly like a lot of the minis in the KS.

But affordability/availability of future, followup products gives me pause.

nice stretch goals, however, like sedition wars, I am not a fan of a stretch goals being get another copy of X!

and add 15 dollars to get this mini!

couldn't we just have bigger stretch goals to get new items rather than smaller ones for minis we already get?

I only have a need for so many of the exact mini and can only paint so many duplicate minis.

Over 200K and 1,050 backers, still with time left on day 1!

New stretch goal is damned interesting...




The regiment is a little crazy there: 25 of those guys for $50? Damn that's cheap!

Can I just say that I LOVE this style of "pinup." What we would call "zaftig" in Yiddish. That "Rawhide Dame" - so awesomely zaftig...

And I assume that, post-Black Friday, the game (and extras) will be available in non-limited runs?

catharsix, haha yeah, trés zaftigash mini's

And damn. I need to buy this but cant budget it until feb.

 xcasex wrote:
catharsix, haha yeah, trés zaftigash mini's

And damn. I need to buy this but cant budget it until feb.

Sell blood.

 Breotan wrote:

 xcasex wrote:
catharsix, haha yeah, trés zaftigash mini's

And damn. I need to buy this but cant budget it until feb.

Sell blood.

you make more selling yourself to an old rich lady.

Just saying.

sorry all availible blood goes to khorne already j/k the makerbot set me back quite a bit.

Are those armor kits complete miniatures?
Or just extra bits you can use to change the miniatures in the box?

There are enough pieces in the armour kits to make some new figures

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 xcasex wrote:
catharsix, haha yeah, trés zaftigash mini's

And damn. I need to buy this but cant budget it until feb.

Sell blood.

you make more selling yourself to an old rich lady.

Just saying.

If the rich lady is zaftig like these illustrations/minis, I wouldn't complain too much!

...though my wife might

Seriously though, I need to get over to the Swap Shop forum/Bartertown to unload some of my stuff to raise some more cash to pay for this Kickstarter. Did the same for the DreamForge KS a few months back, and am so glad I did.

-C6

 Piston Honda wrote:
nice stretch goals, however, like sedition wars, I am not a fan of a stretch goals being get another copy of X!
and add 15 dollars to get this mini!
couldn't we just have bigger stretch goals to get new items rather than smaller ones for minis we already get?
I only have a need for so many of the exact mini and can only paint so many duplicate minis.

They're already pretty big. The first one was 20k.

225K goal smashed, just waiting for the next!

 scipio.au wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
nice stretch goals, however, like sedition wars, I am not a fan of a stretch goals being get another copy of X!
and add 15 dollars to get this mini!
couldn't we just have bigger stretch goals to get new items rather than smaller ones for minis we already get?
I only have a need for so many of the exact mini and can only paint so many duplicate minis.

They're already pretty big. The first one was 20k.

Yeah, I had the same thought. 'Maybe he should space these out more.' Then I thought about it, and 25,000USD is a pretty hefty chunk of money. I'd certainly like to see some new stuff added for free, but I have the impression that AP isn't exactly rolling in cash just yet. Or maybe he is, who knows. $25 for his resin miniatures are quite fair though, and the plastics for $15 seem like a great deal if the comparison shot is an accurate representation.

I am wondering if I was a little silly getting the Deluxe Survivor though. Eh, extra resins. Can't go wrong with that.

With the pace this is moving at combined with his own internal sales data for his 'regular' figures, hopefully this will help him figure out the demand for his stuff and ramp up production?

Unless, of course, his previous strategy was a very clever plan in order to build up the brand, create demand and then unleash the Kickstarter on the world to to tune of 3 million?!?

Anyway.... I'm all for stretch goals that aren't duplicates of figures we're already getting, if at all possible.

And yeah, the +$15 is on the high end of things...

I'm not sure of the use behind some of the stretches so far. The extra figures for the last two goals are nice models, but not exactly useful as they have no in-game purpose. At least with the SW duplicates they are planning on extra missions to use them... this doesn't seem to be something you can do with KD though

Extra armor models IS useful- you only get 4 of each type, but can have 6 players.

New monsters with rules will be really useful, though!

Or accessories like base inserts or the like.

I am actually quite surprised that they haven't padded it yet with all sorts of shinier cards, acrylic counters, sturdier box, etc., etc.,

44 days to go. At this rate, they'll have to have at least a 100 more stretch goals up their sleeve to keep folks entertained till January.

 RiTides wrote:
Extra armor models IS useful- you only get 4 of each type, but can have 6 players.

Yeah, extra armour is cool, but the three sets of extra monsters that we've got so far are useful only as display items. Having said that... given that the King's Men can be bought in packs of 25 there may be something we're not aware of coming up that will use them

 Zweischneid wrote:
I am actually quite surprised that they haven't padded it yet with all sorts of shinier cards, acrylic counters, sturdier box, etc., etc.,

44 days to go. At this rate, they'll have to have at least a 100 more stretch goals up their sleeve to keep folks entertained till January.

When these were suggested Adam said he was already plaining to use the highest quality box (the KS box may be different from the retail box, being mat black & embossed but that was a throwaway comment so I'm not 100% certain he was serious), cards etc.

could well be why the sweet spot is $150 not $100 like Sedition Wars/Relic Knights where they did stretch to upgrade component quality

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
I am actually quite surprised that they haven't padded it yet with all sorts of shinier cards, acrylic counters, sturdier box, etc., etc.,

44 days to go. At this rate, they'll have to have at least a 100 more stretch goals up their sleeve to keep folks entertained till January.

When these were suggested Adam said he was already plaining to use the highest quality box (the KS box may be different from the retail box, being mat black & embossed but that was a throwaway comment so I'm not 100% certain he was serious), cards etc.

could well be why the sweet spot is $150 not $100 like Sedition Wars/Relic Knights where they did stretch to upgrade component quality

Fair enough.

But DreadBall also had their "sweet spot" at the $150 "Striker", had a much shorter run-time and still had several "padding" stretch goals.

Just think of the inverse. Is he going to add another 100 something miniatures to "Survivor" to keep it running for another 1 1/2 months? He'd end up having to ship people the game and "Bones-Quantities" of miniatures.

Or he'll have to start doing much larger intervals, etc.. . .

I think we'll start seeing bigger stretch goals for bigger monsters not included in the base game.

Maybe?

Expansions have been mentioned as being part of the KS if it goes well.
Rules that expand on character development along with unique weapons etc. would give a lot of room for stretches that aren't just armor set X x2 or Big Hand Monster.

IF it goes well?!?

I'd say it is already doing more thank OK!

The figures and kits are amazing. Too bad I have too many 28mm games. I'm looking for more 15mm games.

RiTides wrote:Extra armor models IS useful- you only get 4 of each type, but can have 6 players.

New monsters with rules will be really useful, though!

Or accessories like base inserts or the like.

Wait a second! Aren't you all done with Kickstarters for 2012?!?

Warlord Imp wrote:The figures and kits are amazing. Too bad I have too many 28mm games. I'm looking for more 15mm games.

Ah... OK?

DEAR KINGDOM DEATH TEAM:

I contributed to the DreamForge KS, and followed the Dakka thread religiously, in part because Mark was (and continues to be) so consistently good about engaging with the community of his fans/customers/future customers. I highly recommend reading through that thread and seeing how he dealt with people, issues, etc. He didn't always give us exactly what we wanted (nor should he have), but he was always reasonable and clear in his explanations of decisions

So now, if I may humbly offer my suggestions to you guys on upcoming stretch goals, etc.:

I think that if you want me to spend more money (and I'm sure that others will feel similarly) you should make stretch goals involving some of your truly glorious, but nigh-impossible to acquire existing sculpts, like, making the Twilight Knight Pinup (just an example*... ), plastic or resin, available as an add on, I can GUARANTEE that I would throw down some more money. More fun monsters would be nice too (I am personally not a fan of the "Phoenix" monster, though I recognize that it's a very impressive sculpt). Moreover, perhaps this could be a way for you, as a business, to hook some of the KickStarter supporters on your pre-Monster line of goods as well (build the KD brand beyond just the Monster release!)

So, to recapitulate:

PLEASE make some of the amazing Kingdom Death existing catalog of brilliant minis available as possible future stretch goals. You've got more than 5 weeks to fill with goodies and reveals, and your line is already so amazing but SO HARD TO GET. Put nearly ANYTHING of yours into the KS as a add-on buy, and I will throw more money at you. As much as I can get away with, without alerting my wife...

Thanks for listening to us here at Dakka, and keep up the phenomenal work!

-C6

*Actually, pretty much ANY of the "Pinups" would be awesome

 Alpharius wrote:

RiTides wrote:Extra armor models IS useful- you only get 4 of each type, but can have 6 players.

New monsters with rules will be really useful, though!

Or accessories like base inserts or the like.

Wait a second! Aren't you all done with Kickstarters for 2012?!?

This one ends in 2013...loophole!

 catharsix wrote:

*Actually, pretty much ANY of the "Pinups" would be awesome

I disagree. All of the pinups are available for general release, and can be easily obtained from KD's own website or other retailers. Some may be out of stock currently, but they're not completely out of production. As such, putting them in with the kickstarter is of no value.

 Fafnir wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

*Actually, pretty much ANY of the "Pinups" would be awesome

I disagree. All of the pinups are available for general release, and can be easily obtained from KD's own website or other retailers. As such, putting them in with the kickstarter is of no value.

From what I can tell from their website, of the nearly 3 DOZEN really great figures shown, only FIVE are available in the shop. (The Forge God, Twilight Knight (non-Pinup version), The King's Hand, The Scribe, and The Architect Pinup ONLY). This is less than 15%...

-C6

plastictrees wrote:

This one ends in 2013...loophole!

Exactly

 RiTides wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

This one ends in 2013...loophole!

Exactly

And here I thought you were an engineer.

That's some slippery slope justification in action there!

Next stretch just posted and only $2k to get it - Flower knight unlocks at $250k probably as a paid extra the update doesn't say one day or another

update

I've slept, I've eaten and I am ready! The 225k Stretch goal has been blasted apart and everyone eligible for the Survivor and Deluxe Survivor Reward levels will receive 5 extra kings plastic Kings Men.

I've been reading all of your messages and keeping track of the comments. I agree I think it would be a good idea to add an option menu to the top of the page and to make the rewards in the levels a little bit more clear. I am going to work on updating that today.

I am carefully looking over the budget, mold costs, printing etc. This is one hell of a balancing act! My production partner already wants to murder me and its only day two!




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oh and we've only got 2K to go on this one

That's a damn good unlock. I already have a Flower Knight, so it's not a huge deal for me, but I can easily say it's one of the finest miniatures ever sculpted, and anyone who has a chance to get one should definitely try.

 Fafnir wrote:
That's a damn good unlock. I already have a Flower Knight, so it's not a huge deal for me, but I can easily say it's one of the finest miniatures ever sculpted, and anyone who has a chance to get one should definitely try.

Exact same situation for me... I might get a plastic one as well if there are both options

I like the way it says Expansion

that reads like new monster, new cards, rules etc (hopefully)

plus of cource the model itself which I've tried and failed to pick up several times

So, as someone who has never kickstarted anything - those optional models, is there a minimum pledge? I've been after the Beyond the Wall model for a long time, and the Pheonix Dancer would be great to paint. Can you simply do the minimum pledge and add those to it?

edit - Very tempted to buy in at the Survivor level and add the odd upgrade. That's a pretty fantastic game set already.

Honestly, with the huge shipping cost, you might as well buy in at the Survivor level.

So how does kickstarter work. If I pledge the $155 for the Survivor set, do I pay it immediately? What happens if the project fails (obviously not this time with the funding they have)?

You won't be charged until about 15 or 20 minutes after the Kickstarter ends on the 7th of January you can change your pledge as much as you like until the end. If the project fails to reach it's funding total of $35k (really?) you won't be charged at all no matter how much you have pledged.

You pay it when the project is finished, and if it fails, you pay nothing.

That's tempting. Having it end 7 January is kind of helpful as well. I'll definitely keep an eye on this then.

keep an eye on any of the 'black friday' levels opening up (pledger dropping out etc.) and pledge as soon as you see it opening up. Might save you a penny or two (or just get you an extra option for the same price!) and your card gets charged at the same time regardless.

If somehow you should change your mind, you can drop your pledge right up until just before it ends, if I'm not mistaken (must say I've never actually dropped a pledge yet - but I've heard of such heresy being done )

Fafnir wrote:You pay it when the project is finished, and if it fails, you pay nothing.

Note - this one has already succeeded!

Bolognesus wrote:keep an eye on any of the 'black friday' levels opening up (pledger dropping out etc.) and pledge as soon as you see it opening up. Might save you a penny or two (or just get you an extra option for the same price!) and your card gets charged at the same time regardless.

If somehow you should change your mind, you can drop your pledge right up until just before it ends, if I'm not mistaken (must say I've never actually dropped a pledge yet - but I've heard of such heresy being done )

Yes, you can cancel your pledge anytime up until the end.

I am VERY excited about the Flower Knight 'expansion' - as I've always wanted the model AND, as noted, it looks as if we'll get official rules for it too!

The expansion contains, 1 plastic flower knight, its artificial intelligence cards, hit location cards, special resource cards earned by defeating it ( yeah right ), gear cards, rulebook ( including lore & crafting recipes ), some new settlement events, version of the Flower Sword that fits the armor kits, and a special painting guide by Thomas David!

This is our first game expansion and I am presetting it at 50% off! Partially because the Flower Knight is already sculpted but mostly because I <3 you guys. He can be added to your rewards by increasing your pledge level by +$15.

yup, it's rules, and it's quite a decent price actually. I do hope I'll have the funds together by january 7th; I sure don't have 'em now

Comes with the base, too! My fave model besides Beyond The Wall, I'm content now

Pitching in the extra $15. I may already have a Flower Knight model, but having him part of the game is totally worth it.

$15 add-ons are the new $10!

Also:

At 285k I have lined up the last expansion for the core box, a permanent upgrade that will forever change every single copy of the game! If we hit the goal, I will be adding the Fur Armor Kit, a few more sculpted pieces of gear to deck the survivors out with and a new Settlement Location where all of this can be crafted! It will also open up a few new innovations allowing people to strategize with the advantages of staying primitive and getting spiritual with their inner beasts.

Huh.

I hope that means we'll be getting more expansions, but that they'll only be Kickstarter for now?

Because otherwise it is a bit earlier to be closing off this particular avenue, I think!

Phew! I promised some cool avatars and I am going to get on that next!

Not sure what that means in Kingdom Death world.

Avatars = character models for the game?

I hope!

 Alpharius wrote:

Not sure what that means in Kingdom Death world.

Avatars = character models for the game?

I hope!

No, the 'Im a Backer' avatars.

I was thinking game stuff - silly me!

All that talk of the 'final permanent expansion' threw me for a loop.

A suspect a semantic trick, and we'll get expansions that won't be part of the retail set and/or that we'll have to buy separately now too then...

Ah, when I said avatar, I meant specifically images people could use as profile images in various places. Sorry to excite, its a bit more mundane then I lead on!

@catharsix

I am now here, have read everything up to this point and am ready to participate! I also agree with you, I would love to take this opportunity to add more of the back catalog and allow fans that missed out a chance to get otherwise very hard to get miniatures. I cannot give any discounts on the resin ( kickstarter / amazon already takes 11% out of whatever is raised ) because they have a fixed cost and a very slow time line. You didn't ask about that, but I figured I would make that clear here too.

I want this thread to be *official, so to speak. Is there anyway for the OP to change the thread name? Or would it be better if I went ahead and created a new one?

P.S. My mind is totally blown with how well this is doing, I did not expect it to grow so fast and the numbers of emails, kickstarter messages / comments makes it difficult to keep up, BUT this is my focus now and I will do my best to get back to each and every single one.

Here is the latest Stretch goal :

 kingdomdeath wrote:


@catharsix

I am now here, have read everything up to this point and am ready to participate! I also agree with you, I would love to take this opportunity to add more of the back catalog and allow fans that missed out a chance to get otherwise very hard to get miniatures. I cannot give any discounts on the resin ( kickstarter / amazon already takes 11% out of whatever is raised ) because they have a fixed cost and a very slow time line. You didn't ask about that, but I figured I would make that clear here too.

Thank you very much for responding to my idea/suggestion. Just to clarify, I'm not looking for discounts - I'd happily pay full price for the existing KD stuff. It's the unavailability that's the problem. If you could make some of those amazing, classic models available, I know I wouldn't be the only one adding them on to my pledge (I'd probably actually recant my previous request and ask you to offer LESS so I could keep myself out of the doghouse from buying too many little figurines of buxom, gloriously curvaceous ladies...)

Looking forward to more developments!

-C6

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