Welcome to the League of Extraordinary Riveters... contest #6
WE'RE NOT WORTHY! (thanks to Ruglud for the idea)
Competition Guidelines:
For this competition you'll be asked to make a shrine, or object of veneration of some sort. This may include monuments and statues, churches/temples, shrines located within some greater structure (another building, or maybe on the back of a tank) It doesn't have to be religious or dedicated to a god, but must be a meaningful monument in some way.
Base: this might be part of a terrain set, and large or spread out, for instance a cathedral, or monument. Or, it might be very intricate and fitting on a standard game base such as 25, 40 or 60 mm.
Guidelines for judging: Creativity, Humor and Realism are all equally appreciated, in any combination. Please post WIP's so we know what materials you are working with: for example if you purchase a kit or scratchbuild your own. The final product will be judged as a whole, based on what you do with the materials you are using... if you use ready made materials there needs to be some other form of creativity such as modifications to it or combination in an artful way with other products. Diversity and variation of color, shape and texture are a huge part of this. Other elements such as worshippers, being based on a tank, or building interior/exterior all may influence the judging slightly but the object of veneration is the most important. It doesn't matter whether it's ruined or in use. Weathering, and plantlife growing in and around the shrine could count as part of the entry though.
Prizes: League membership, and the winner receives a miniature lovingly converted and painted by me, limited to as large as a 40mm base. There will also be a prize for participation in general, and those entries that might be full of heart but not technically the best, which will be a servo skull crafted and painted by me. BTW Cataphractii was very happy with his
Deadline: June 30th. A bit longer than the other contests, but I think it's just more relaxed for everybody and their busy lifestyle... no excuse not to join!
So how to use this contest to increase skills and share techniques? I hope to see some cool weathering techniques, whether of stone, bronze or other creative materials. If you want some flames burning in your shrine... I recommend grabbing some LED tea light candles, chopping it up and placing it inside to create a flickering flame effect. Shrines to chaos gods, Shrines to Gork and Mork, Imperial tank-churches, statues of heroic space marines, Or any other weird object of veneration you might come up with for any game or display. This would be a great opportunity to show off shrubbery skills... maybe some flowers placed the feet of a statue or vines growing up around to show age.
BTW guys... please edit your 'League terrain contest' banners to link here! that way we get the word out.
I'm in as always... I'll figure something out. I'll be building a brotherhood of sorts for the papa-pandacontest anyways... they'll be needing a symbol of inspiration... They be worthy...
Viktor von Domm wrote: i am in it...for better or worse... that is something that screams out to me from every corner!!!
for now i have no idea... but i will drill a hole in my head and after a suitable flush something will come to my mind!
Automatically Appended Next Post: link please to update the contest sig?
I just copy/paste the link to this thread and replace it where the old link was, in your edit sig where the HTML code is? Works for me...
Or you could do this...
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Copy and paste, but remove the *s
Mine would be much smaller, but I already have the bits for my version of it... I've just been putting off doing it for ages as I don't think I can do it justice. On the other hand... learn by doing!
The plinths would be made from old-shape Sure roll-on de-odourant bottles, so only about 5cm high instead of the scale in that image.
Fifty wrote: Mine would be much smaller, but I already have the bits for my version of it... I've just been putting off doing it for ages as I don't think I can do it justice. On the other hand... learn by doing!
The plinths would be made from old-shape Sure roll-on de-odourant bottles, so only about 5cm high instead of the scale in that image.
Assuming you used a normal model, and colored it to look like wraithbone, that could be very cool.
My recommendation would be to use that pic as inspiration, and focus on a single plinth, putting more work into the detail on it and surroundings... whether it's ruined or not... not to mention, there are a lot of great bits available for elven ruins.
On the other hand, if you pulled of a monumental scale statue of some sort... that would be most impressive as it would require a lot of ingenuity to blow up an eldar to that scale! I guess same goes for any other figure. Space Marines have it easy because of the GW kit...
What I am thinking of is the chamber where an Avatar would sit, with the Avatar up on a throne, typical Eldar archways around and one of each of the Phoenix Lords on a plinth.
I got the bug tonight already... It is not the scale that I think some people were hoping for, but if I can pull it off, it will be awesome...
I should point out that this is way too ambitious for me, and I am not going to be able to pull it off as well as I would like, nor well enough to win this comp. Like I said though, learn by doing.
Head now removed from body for straightening. Middle finger sliced on craft knife.
Belly mostly removed from chest. Index finger sliced open on razor saw.
Only small cuts, but I think I have given enough blood to Khaine tonight, and I am clearly to tired to continue...
This is right up my street, im in. Not sure exactly what mine will be yet, probally something space marine related or at the least imperial based.
The new deadlines great gives me plenty of time, also looking forward to seeing what everyone else comes up with.
Quick question, would it be ok to use one of my current work in progress piece's, finish it and use it on my entry?
Any hints as to what you'll be dropping this time?
Well, I have a few ideas...
My first thought is a gothic war memorial that would take pride of place in a ceremonial plaza on a far flung loyalist world of the Imperium.
This is the inspiration - it' the Nelson Monument in Liverpool (UK) and has some amazing sculptures on it - Google it as there are so many details that one photo cannot convey.
The monument is a depiction of a goddess handing a naked Nelson the crowns of victory while a sinister, skeletal figure of Death clutches at his breast. Four despondent French prisoners-in-chains sit at the base.
hk1x1 wrote: This is right up my street, im in. Not sure exactly what mine will be yet, probally something space marine related or at the least imperial based.
The new deadlines great gives me plenty of time, also looking forward to seeing what everyone else comes up with.
Quick question, would it be ok to use one of my current work in progress piece's, finish it and use it on my entry?
Great to have you on board!
That is fine, and I'm sure others have done the same... just take pics of what you started with.
@ Ruglud: Those statues are very 40k to begin with... definitely awesome inspiration... I'm guessing you've seen it in person?
I wonder if because of the iconography of death in the Imperium... a skeleton wouldn't be depicted like that. It's usually the opposite.... death is the Imperium itself, as in images of the corpse-emperor, space marines as angels of death, skulls as the main symbol of the Imperium. So a victory over death is anti-imperial! Probably also no need to have nudity, that is a neo-classical style and the imperium is more based on Medieval gothic (or depending, also high renaissance) sculpture, which would usually be heavily clothed/armored. But it all depends on the planet!
I love the chains coming from the lion's mouth... just replace lions with skulls... and you're good to go!
@Fifty: I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to try something similar.
I'd like to work in the shrine I built previously, but make statuary and stele to go with it. I'll submit them separately, of course. Since the arch is not terribly stable I can't use it for games, but I'm going to work it into the bases of the statuary so it won't fall over (and inevitably crush models and terrain).
@Mars: also ambitious... and no problem as long as you build something new and integrate it into the older structure. I definitely think the shrine would look nice if it had more grounding and statuary around it, making it look more like a gate.
No problem at all from my point of view, Mars. As I said, I don't think I can do my project justice anyway. I may not even finish! The more the merrier making Eldar terrain.
I have, however, made some more progress...
Notice the mouth is no longer screaming! The head is ready to be pinned on straight. I'll need to green stuff a bit of collar back on one side.
Legs are pinned. I won't attach the knee pads or put on green stuff until the whole pose is fixed. I'll pin the feet next.. Once that is done will be pinning the torso to the hips.
As you can see, he will be posed sat down with the sword across his lap and both hands resting. I am confident I can get the pose okay... However...
The hardest bit for me will be doing the green stuff belly, as I'll need to try and get the six-pack done, and I am awful at green-stuffing. In fact, I wonder if there are any Londoners who could help me with that part? I may even put an appeal out on the main painting and modelling section...
I'm planning on making some of the smaller things from back of the "How to make wargames terrain" book, see how that goes. Since most mechanicus things are shrines I cant go wrong
I'm going to do some research tonight, and If I can pull it off I will be up for this!! It will be my very first terrain peice and with a finish date of 30th June, I think I can manage it!
HAZZER wrote: @ Fifty I would happy help you witht eh sculpting if my perents wasent being so over portective and not allowing to send you my adress. Sorry man!
Here's a work in progress sculpt of the winged statue i'll be using for my Terrain piece, once it's finished i'll make a mold, then cast up some copy's.
These will then be used as details on the ruins surrounding my Shrine.
I think I'll join too. Maybe a huge cauldron full of body parts for some ogres.
Get me if I'm wrong but any harden warrior or soldier would surely worship there weapons? So defiantly a cannon could be an option?
hk1x1 wrote: Here's a work in progress sculpt of the winged statue i'll be using for my Terrain piece, once it's finished i'll make a mold, then cast up some copy's.
These will then be used as details on the ruins surrounding my Shrine.
AWESOME!!
My opinion, that looks like something that would be on the side of a square column, either on two sides or all four.... will it be stone? Looks a lot like a medieval stone carving, but the sword looks as if it would be fragile as stone, I'm sure you have some kind of plan for that.
hk1x1 wrote: This is right up my street, im in. Not sure exactly what mine will be yet, probally something space marine related or at the least imperial based.
The new deadlines great gives me plenty of time, also looking forward to seeing what everyone else comes up with.
Quick question, would it be ok to use one of my current work in progress piece's, finish it and use it on my entry?
Great to have you on board!
That is fine, and I'm sure others have done the same... just take pics of what you started with.
Dammit h1x1 - your statues and shrine sculpts are so fething awesome... Your piece is going to set the standard I think... I need to get a move on with planning mine
@ Ruglud: Those statues are very 40k to begin with... definitely awesome inspiration... I'm guessing you've seen it in person?
I wonder if because of the iconography of death in the Imperium... a skeleton wouldn't be depicted like that. It's usually the opposite.... death is the Imperium itself, as in images of the corpse-emperor, space marines as angels of death, skulls as the main symbol of the Imperium. So a victory over death is anti-imperial! Probably also no need to have nudity, that is a neo-classical style and the imperium is more based on Medieval gothic (or depending, also high renaissance) sculpture, which would usually be heavily clothed/armored. But it all depends on the planet!
I love the chains coming from the lion's mouth... just replace lions with skulls... and you're good to go!
I'm with you Meade - need to change the imagery around somewhat - think an Angel of Death will be the focal point with a 'hero of the imperium' figure playing second fiddle. As much as I dislike the use of skulls in 40K I can't deny they'll look good in place of the lion heads. I'm toying with the defeated enemy figures around the plinth being Zeno scum of some type and most likely dead / dying...
There will also be no nudity here, at least not of the male persuasion - in the immortal words of The Pub Landlord - "I was never confused..."
Well initial thought is for a tekno-totem pole for the cyborks, but I need funds for some specific bitz for that plan...might have a think about something for the slaaneshi beastmen.....or something else entirely....
Edging forwards. Feet, knees, hips, loincloth and body all pinned, but not glued or fixed in place. Need to pin the head, which will be fairly easy. Also need to pin the arms, which will be more crucial.After that is fixing and greenstuffing... Might be a good idea to paint before I fix the arms in place...
I'm with you Meade - need to change the imagery around somewhat - think an Angel of Death will be the focal point with a 'hero of the imperium' figure playing second fiddle. As much as I dislike the use of skulls in 40K I can't deny they'll look good in place of the lion heads. I'm toying with the defeated enemy figures around the plinth being Zeno scum of some type and most likely dead / dying...
There will also be no nudity here, at least not of the male persuasion - in the immortal words of The Pub Landlord - "I was never confused..."
NSFW but fething funny
Spoiler:
@the Pub Landlord... LOL!
Any way sounds good... xeno scum would work but scraggly looking humans would probably work too, representing heretics/mutant scum, the enemy within....
I'll offer 'best effort' on this one. I've had an idea for a long time to make a WFB Beastmen Herdstone, and it would have an application for my 40K table as well so it won't be a 'dead' piece of terrain.
Grimtuff wrote: Do we have to have WIP pics? I have a piece that I can enter but sadly I have no WIP pics.
The whole point of the contest is to have a community environment where everyone is doing one theme at the same time... and provide that extra incentive to go the extra mile, complete the task instead of have it sit on the shelf half done, and learn techniques from each other as peers. I mean I could go on and on about that. A big part of the reason for that is that this is a casual online contest, with no entry fee.
So, I will most likely give the prize (which is worth money... when we get down to it) to someone who helps fulfill that... however as I said above I don't have a problem with people who take a previous work and expand on it or finish it, just as long as there is something that helps convince me you were working on it for this contest.
Then again there is nothing stopping you from sharing, that is the whole point.
Camkierhi wrote:Crying shame, but what about a Praetorian on horseback? I believe you have some very pretty Praetorian Guard I have seen on your blog??!!
Sorry if I my spelling is wong.
mayn thanks for that high praise Camkierhi! indeed a praetorian on horseback would be a cool thing to have...
Meade wrote:Looking good guys
Vik maybe try some of those 32 mm scale figs out there?? Maybe for dystopian legions?
yup... i looked into quite some 1:32 and 1:35 minis already... head is spinning^^ dystopian minis... also a good idea!
hk1x1 wrote:looking good Vic, look forward to seeing where this goes.
coming from you... high praise indeed...as you are the undisputed master of statue- making!!!
@ Vic. I wouldn't say I was a master, but thanks anyway for the compliment.
Progress is slow going on my entry at the moment, and that's probably because I'm being overly ambitious with my concept, but there's plenty of time so no rush.
well... i was making a research before i even started... and you are with your statues a google VIP and here on dakka when you search for statues... you fill up 95%... i close my case
Viktor von Domm wrote: well... i was making a research before i even started... and you are with your statues a google VIP and here on dakka when you search for statues... you fill up 95%... i close my case
I think he's in stealth mode Trying to get everyone's guard down...
From the makeup of this contest so far... I'd say we have many masters competing, but as Riveters our greatest enemy is randomness and real life interfering with the ability to finish projects...
Viktor von Domm wrote: well... i was making a research before i even started... and you are with your statues a google VIP and here on dakka when you search for statues... you fill up 95%... i close my case
Or maybe i'm just really good at tagging my pic's lol
Viktor von Domm wrote: well... i was making a research before i even started... and you are with your statues a google VIP and here on dakka when you search for statues... you fill up 95%... i close my case
Or maybe i'm just really good at tagging my pic's lol
LOL! i see...clever planning wins the day
Meade wrote:
Viktor von Domm wrote: well...i take your comments to her... and we´ll see about what is what
Well it's not such a bad advice round figures look pretty good on round podiums
You can tell her I'll make her some steampunk earrings if you win for the prize
Ahhhh!...now that sounds nice!
and yup... round podium for the rather round queeny^^...
but atm i am following another route... mechanical steed
I booted up cad and came up with this as a rough shape for a hexagonal building. the left shows the front view, the right shows one of the other sides,
just to give an indication of scale , that little line between the two is 28mm high.
here is what the ground floor would look like in size
good looking start noodles...and about time we saw some updates here...
which brings me up to speed wih my own endeavors...:
it will be a project i think will one day make a full table if i play my cards right...
for now...working title is graveyard...
for now i have used wine bottle corks made from foam (?!), serviettes...and flooring insulation foam (green foam)...PVA and the patience of my wife^^...
also... seeing this now... it is a testament to my own hobby ADD
I now know pretty much the direction I'm heading in with my entry, or at the least I have an image in my head of what i want it to look like.
I've still got a lot of work to do as the images below are just the master sculpts, and will be used to make molds so i can mass produce all the parts I need.
This includes a mold of the 100 bricks you can see below, as im expecting to use around 2000 bricks in my entry ( yes it's gonna be big )
@hk1x1: god damn... have some mercy on the other contestants! That's looking extremely promising... I especially love what you're doing with the bricks, that method adds so much character to them, and the sculpt is masterful! Make some molds.. you never know someone might be looking for that sort of thing!
Well I guess Vik is dropping out due to having a serious talk with his family about quitting the hobby... sorry to see you go Vik...
of course i wont leave the field of contestants without a fight to our dear hk1x1
i am no fool^^
instead...i am a riveteer!!!
and we rivet for success^^
although... sometimes we construct without any rivets^^
which brings me up to speed with my current progress:
the top i i left to be able to be taken off... so to better work and play inside...and boy... there will be some small marvels inside still to come just you wait
and as this is also something that this competition should provide...here is the educational part:
i made these columns from two corks each... each column i then covered in a mixture of tissue paper and dilluted PVA... now it is a nice and very sturdy structure... as the whole is made from foam corks...yeah... nowadays you get these too in winebottles...urgh....i then pinned these to the position in the constrction by actuall pins... i cut of the pinheads and then placed the dull ends with pincers (attention boys and gals...this could be hurting otherwse...) and just left enough of the pins to later on have them secure stuck and connected to the base of the temple... and the upper structure to the roof too... see for yourself for this little description...
that´s it for now... i hope i can make some more progress tomorrow...
I've done very little on this recently, but time for a materials update...
I have spare Phoenix Lords of each flavour (except Baharroth, but I'll just use my only one and buy a new one if I need to) and I need plinths for them to stand on for my Avatar's shrine/throne room. I have five rather lovely shaped Lynx roll-on deodourant bottles that I kept from when I first saw them for exactly this purpose. Sadly, I only have five. However, I also have the tops of two bottles of Febreze which also have a very nice shape. The Febreze tops will need something else to go on, and I was considering some bottles of Isklar Spring Water. I don't think I am going to use the Isklar. If anything, I'll probably go for Evian bottles again, as per my Eldar Bastions I am building... Anyway, here are the raw materials I am planning on using.
So, I need to decide whether to buy an Illyrith just for the sake of this shrine or just go with the original six. I then need to decide whether only Asuryan gets a big plinth, or another Phoenix Lord too, and maybe leave an empty plinth for Illyrith, or any future Warp Spider/Shining Spear Phoenix Lords. Opinions welcome, please.
I don't have any Phoenix Lords lying around, so I used Eldrad to show how the plinths should look. It is just a scrappy blu-tac mock up, but you can see the idea. Bit top heavy, so iI think I will fill the bottle with something... Hope I have time to get this finished.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Or this way round. I think I like this less. It makes the plinth look too big, and doesn't seem focused inwards the way I would like
ah...now i see.... very interesting! if you can close the form then simple sand for weight would suffice i say.... now i look even nmore forward to see this finished!!!
I think the plinths are a cool shape for Eldar, but the most important thing is how the figure will be unified with the plinth so it seems like one structure. It's a lot harder than modelling some stone or metal statue, that we are all familiar with.
I think I want to go with an all over wraithbone colour for both plinth and statue. It will almost certainly involve Gryphonne Sepia wash at some stage!
Sure no problem, but obviously the better it is the more it has a chance of winning. Whether or not it's functional in a game, does not matter for this contest really. It could even be the base on a model, or the model itself, as long as it fits the theme of the contest...
Just thought I'd share a resource that's helped me in designing my entry, It's a collection of artwork from all over the internet featuring 40k Imperial Architecture.
I know it wont be of use to everyone, but it might provide inspiration to some.
Well, it's Italian, I think, so it's probably something glorious and decadent. Built the base.
And with hot tub:
I'm going to start by building it as per the instructions and then see how best to adapt.
It occurs that I could buy a set of fw khorne brass to decorate. That would cost more than this plastic crack did...
I might leave the base as is, but I'm fairly sure I can make an interlocked khorne logo. I'm thinking ziggurat o'khorne, basically. Need to scrounge some khornate iconography... The crater will get scrounged for general play.
Here is broadly what it's supposed to look like: Although being the "limited edition" it comes with red sides, transparent crater and limited edition figures. Gee. I'm sorely tempted to put lights in the eyes... If I can make it vertically AND horizontally a khorne sigil, not only will that look top as a shrine to it'd make a great piece of multi-level terrain, is the theory.
the skull-rock head is the best piece of kit, and then my second thoughts would be how to integrate it into a khorne logo... then probably lose the red flamey pieces.
keep in mind... you can find the cheap LED tea light candles, and easily install them for a burning flame effects...
and beyond that... a good paintjob does wonders....
Can you post a picture with a figure next to it for size reference? When I was out with the family last night my son and I went through the toy section at target, was probably right next to that but forgot to check it out, too busy looking at Lego I guess. Those fireballs may make excellent mace tops if the right size.
Never mind, saw your scale shot in your thread, it's looking great.
Gentlemen, after a long period of reflexion, I've finally started to work on my entry.
First, a little jump in time.
July 1997. I was in Galway for a month, and as a reading practice I bought a White Dwarf. It was the one which announced the release of the first Sisters of battle codex.
In this WD was a campaign opposing the SoB to a genestealer cult. And there was a cardboard shrine to use in this campaign.
Back to today.
Here's the shrine now:
WD cardboard terrain do not like movings.
Here's, however it's twin sister, unpunched (and of which I've made copies, just to be sure this kind of material would not disappear in the warp of time):
Now, my new friend "Signs making styrene sheet" enters the game:
I still don't know if it's going to be a SoB shrine or a CSM one.
I remember that White Dwarf, and I remember that card shrine...
I also remember it getting squashed
Heres where I am with my entry at the moment, although I havent started work on my final version yet, I have done a test piece to give me an idea of how all the parts i've cast go together.
This is a very rough WIP, and needs a lot more work, plus I have a load of painting tecniques I want to try on this, so their ready for my finished entry.
It looks like I probably wont get my planned terrain finished in time for the competition, this is mainly due to me being overly ambitious.
So I've made some changes to my test piece and have decided to enter this instead.
Here's the progress I've made so far.
When you feel in your gut what you are and then dynamically pursue it - don't back down and don't give up - then you're going to mystify a lot of folks. -Bob Dylan
@Inmygravenimage: Well, the experiments are appreciated! Can't wait to see what you come up with!
@everyone: Hmm... the deadline is steadily coming up... be sure not to leave it to the last minute! Hk1 has posted some incredibly impressive stuff... but there are some dark horse candidates that we haven't heard back from... that have already proven their skills to compete and take the win! Live up to the challenge, so you can look in the mirror in the morning and call yourself Riveteer!
Ooh that's sexy! I especially like the Dentil and arches around the base! I just had too many IRL things going on to dedicate as much time as it deserved!
Seeing all this cool innovation, I think my original idea - the shrine of khorne made from toy bits - is more in keeping with the League's... ideals I guess. I can live with the modular terrain being chaos specific, if not (posssssssibly not) exclusively khorne.
@onManNoodles: That's looking awesome so far! I'd say the basic shape is very well done at this point, if it were me I would add more details like from watch parts, little plastic gears that you can scavenge or just plain copper wire (you can always pull apart electrical cables). Part of my heart belongs to anything mechanicus!
@Camkierhi: the walls and basic shape are looking good... at this point I'd try out some different plasters (like a little can of spackle from the hardware store, mixed with some rubble for the floor) on it to get a worn down texture, there are parts that are still very angular.
I still haven't figured out a very good formula for simulating cracked wall plaster, but I did get very good results on my chaos bastion after I covered foam in spackle, then sprayed it with a spraycan primer that ate into the holes (the foam beneath) and made a very convincing texture. Also just plain goopy, low quality paint or crackle paint from the art store may have great results!
inmygravenimage wrote: A good option is the "stone" spray paints for making plant pots look like, well, stone - I used it on my RoB and it's a nice gritty effect.
Yes! neglected to mention it. The stone spray paint is great, but more for a stone wall kind of deal i would say, as the chunks are sometimes pretty grainy. Also test it first on foam, I've sprayed some on pink foam and it had no ill melting effects but YMMV. A
s for pics this is the one i was talking about, kind of a bad pic but maybe you get the idea.
inmygravenimage wrote: Looks great, and I for one like your giant oversized grimdark toothpicks. After all, in the grimdark future, there is no dental
loss.
corrected that for you...after all...most meatshields die at an early age with most of their teeth^^
inmygravenimage wrote: Looks great, and I for one like your giant oversized grimdark toothpicks. After all, in the grimdark future, there is no dental insurance.
corrected that for you...after all...most meatshields die at an early age with most of their teeth^^
Corrected again...
Genetically enhanced SMs don't need it, Imperial citizens can't afford it and the decaying Emperor doesn't give a damn about it...
Viktor von Domm wrote: wicked...although... a slight downside ...the toothpicks... I think they look too long... it always has put me off if the scale doesn´t match...
probably, yeah. the barbed wire is a bit oversized too (from pipe cleaner)... next time i might use little nails or something similar for spikes, but this was about a year ago... it's good for some fun chaos terrain
As for dental floss... well in the grimdark present there is not much dental floss either... although I do enjoy my tea tree toothpicks from time to time... what can I say I like spikey things.
The trick to doing cracked wall plaster is to carve some lath boards as well. WHen using foamcore, just leave the cardboard layer on, instant 3D plaster layer, peel it off for the lath and brick/stud layers.
@ Camkierhi: Excellent work on your shrine so far I like it, It's great to see everyones work slowly coming together.
My shrine's now in the later painting stage's, but It's far from finished, I still have a lot of work to do... A lot of slow, steady, tedious work to do,
But I suppose you can't rush perfection
Some excellent work showing up on this thread as expected...
I will admit that i'm struggling to even make a start on my entry - the original idea of a war memorial is way too ambitious and I don't have any suitable minis to populate it...
I either need to go back to the drawing board or admit defeat and allow RL to beat me down...
Never admit defeat though - I have a week to get something done and I intend to do just that - just not sure what at the moment...
Ruglud wrote: Some excellent work showing up on this thread as expected...
I will admit that i'm struggling to even make a start on my entry - the original idea of a war memorial is way too ambitious and I don't have any suitable minis to populate it...
I either need to go back to the drawing board or admit defeat and allow RL to beat me down...
Never admit defeat though - I have a week to get something done and I intend to do just that - just not sure what at the moment...
Fair enough, but keep in mind, for you, there is always the obligatory 1 week extension, it won't be a problem if people need a bit more time. It's tradition!
I'm banking on the extension too, takes me into first week of school holidays! Still, got some riveting done (seriously - can't have a contest entry without rivets), and have a plan for a sacrificial pit. I reckon that I may have found a use for all those tank commander bodies (we're sinking!)
Thanks guys. Yeah, it's crazy big. I'm dithering between obsidian and brass overall. Or, possibly, dark metal, brass chains etc, lumps of obsidian. Not sure, and I still don't know how I'm going to work the red in. I'll prime it black and work from there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @OneMan that's pretty freakingnawesome too!
You may be able to get some kind of rustoleum spray that coats the head to give it texture like beaten metal... but if you go this direction it better have rivets...and be breathing fire.
Well, there are rivets already can't do this without rivets now can we? I'm not allowed to buy a textured rust spray, it's against my rules to buy any bits especially for this, having bought a child's toy to desecrate for the project. I'll allow myself primer, but that's it. I am a masochist - maybe I shoulda gone for slaanesh instead...
@ Onemannoodles, thanks mate, and I'm really looking forward to seeing yours finished as it my favorite so far, so I wouldn't give up if I were you .
As for the candles, their made from small lengths of modeling putty (or you could use green stuff) with a tiny piece of wire set into the top for the wick,
then I Painted all the extra wax on afterwards using a mix of very thick paint, and a very small brush.
Wow guys, awesome work. I'm struggling to pick a favourite of the entries thus far... So many great ideas and the execution is just fantastic.
I'm going to take a crack at getting something done this weekend, as after that I'll be back in Poland on business and may not be able to meet the deadline, even if it gets extended.
For those procastinators like myself, get your finger out and do some work, we need more entries
Well, the build's done, even if I am out of primer:
Frickin' lasers in its eyes and everything.
More pics
Spoiler:
If you're verrrry observant you'll notice that the back wall of the cell isn't there at present.
Oh, here it is:
Still need to cover up the Snap-x logo though. Bah. This will slot in post paint. Actually, this will also be getting primed grey rather than white, for the SoB.
Likewise her cellmate who needs primed, and the other poor unfortunate soul (drinker):
And the the summoning. The Exorcist is about to make it to freedom, failing to heed the guardsman's girlish screams...
The SM has a mauled right arm that you can't see, and will get aforementioned tester head. The pit is a separate piece but fits on the four centre squares of the base securely.
Here you go, I finally made a start - although I'm going with a simpler build than the original idea - a stone circle which can be used in many type of wargames as it's pretty generic - i.e. not going to have any specific iconography on it...
More info and pics on my 'Random stuff' blog (see sig)
@Chelnov That is awesome, have you decided is this an effigy of Gork or Mork?
I'm very glad there is at least one entry based on a tank chassis finished or not it is cool better than the stompa model I think. Orks can pull off the 'giant robot on a tank' concept pretty well.
Woah, impressive work there. This competition is so strong. I don't envy the judges !
I had a bit of disaster today whilst flocking - basically my Woodland Scenics 'scenic cement' spray wouldn't work so I had to use a different spray head, but it made a mess and the cement seems to have gone a little over the 'sell by' date... Think I managed to save it though and ended up using good old fashioned hair spray to fix the flock in place
Some final touches to do on the stones tomorrow and then I'll post some final pics - I'm away all week on business from Monday so wont be able to make the deadline otherwise...
Ruglud wrote: Woah, impressive work there. This competition is so strong. I don't envy the judges !
I had a bit of disaster today whilst flocking - basically my Woodland Scenics 'scenic cement' spray wouldn't work so I had to use a different spray head, but it made a mess and the cement seems to have gone a little over the 'sell by' date... Think I managed to save it though and ended up using good old fashioned hair spray to fix the flock in place
Some final touches to do on the stones tomorrow and then I'll post some final pics - I'm away all week on business from Monday so wont be able to make the deadline otherwise...
Good to know! I already mentioned it that there is the obligatory weeklong extension... its tradition you know but there are enough good entries as it is that the deadline will be Sunday July 7th... that is unless everyone gets their entries in on time.
OMG Graven... That is beyond words... I wasn't sure how well the toy would workas a piece of playable terrain, but all i can say is 'me of little faith'
Righty, on that note, I humbly offer up my entry for Meade's wonderful competition...
The Stone Circle
A mystical and ancient monument whose purpose and meaning is lost in the mists of time. No markings exist on the stones or the central table so it is impossible to say who placed the stones on the site or why. What is known though is that a powerful lay line runs through the site and that many races are drawn to the circle for the power that it embues whoever is in possesion. Many battles have been fought around the stones over the years and no doubt many more in the future. The most common combatants are Human and Orc, with their blood staining the surrounding land, whilst only the army leaders dare to set foot within the circle...
Really nice, hadn't appreciated fully the scale, very nice indeed! And thanks for the kind words, although I'm fairly sure it will actually destroy me.
@Chelnov: thanks, its a bit of a pain, but I've got another 2-3 hours work left on it and I can say its done. I cant wait to see yours, there is just something about ork terrain
Idea for the person that runs / judges the next contest- don't allow WIP or completed shots in the thread until it is time for judging.
It's inspirational to see such amazing work but IMO it reduces participation. Prospective contestants may not join / share if they feel their skill level has already been surpassed.
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote: Idea for the person that runs / judges the next contest- don't allow WIP or completed shots in the thread until it is time for judging.
It's inspirational to see such amazing work but IMO it reduces participation. Prospective contestants may not join / share if they feel their skill level has already been surpassed.
To be fair though, I'm giving a secondary prize for participation/coolness/other stuff. Not everyone has the same skills resources and time and it is a contest, but a friendly one.... the point is to encourage people to share their work, to inspire others. The reward is you win the contest and it's just a small reward to give incentive. I just feel that forbidding people to post WIP's just defeats the point of it, as well as further buries the thread... we want people posting on it so everyone sees and sees the quality of our Riveting.
There is only one cure for low participation! Make an entry yourself and win the contest!
The rain had finally stopped.
Guardsman Ryl Alders looked up at the sky. There was still no sun, but Ryl would take his blessings where he could.
This world was horrid. Nearly constant rain and foul-smelling mud dampened more than just clothes. They dampened the mind, and the spirit just as well.
Ryl had seen it first hand. The other night, during a lull in the fighting, Guardsman Jor had taken his own life, saying he'd never see sun again.
Now, he surely never would.
Father Jacobi had been the most distraught. He had seen Jor's distress, and he had done all he could to save the poor lad, but in the end, nothing prevailed.
As Ryl stared at the sky he heard a murmuring at the shrine. He looked over and saw Father Jacobi marching out for morning prayer. He looked solemn, but also at peace. Sergeant Gors, still nursing his broken left arm, moved closer and knelt down in the mud.
"Guardsman, hold my Primer for me." he said softly, pulling a well worn copy of the Primer from a pouch on his belt. Ryl nodded and knelt next to him and held open his Primer. "Guardsmen, gather. Its time." The rest of the squad shambled in. The fighting against the Orks had been costly, and the squad was battered and tired. They gathered around the shrine, little more than a salvaged stone column with a Aquila bolted to the top.
Father Jacobi stood in front of it and held his hand out over the troops.
"Sons, the Emperor knows how hard this is for you. He knows how much you suffer in his name. And he thanks you for your service in his name. But we must keep up the fight my children. We can not allow the green skinned horde to hold this world. This world where men, women and children have been cast down without a second thought. We must fight, and we must win."
Thanks guys! Looks like my job as a judge is getting harder and harder.
@Noodles: just
@WeaponPrime: your entry tells the most story so far, definitely gets points for that!
@Graven: Don't hang up your hat dude!! But either way you still get points for participation. Your boldness in construction is an inspiration to us all.
@Hyenajoe - You still have 7 more days to add some more detail
My progress so far has been slow, i am in the middle of moving from 1 house to the other...and my precious mancave has been dismantled already , so i have to work in the kitchen.
Anyhow, with 7 days left i refuse to throw in the towel just yet
The trees and plants are not fixed yet, i still have to paint the whole ruzzbot/stompa, place some vines etc...but i hope that before the end date my effigy of Gork will be finished.
at weapon prime... is that soldier i see in your dio a cadian at ease or did you make that one as a conversion? i need to know as i wanted to make some guarding IG for a long time...
at all... looks super cool... i don´t know if i should compete against you lot... you are atm way too crazy for me to challenge you!
*big sigh of envy*
i had haped that you had found a way to get that pose done with just bitz... ebay is selling these, two a blister for around 20+€s and thats as close as robbery as you can get IMHO
Well guys... contest is officially closed. But it may be a few days before I give a final decision here... looking back at the entries its just so close and the more I look at them the more I am impressed. So whomever I choose as the winner I feel as if they deserve a good writeup as for why they won and same goes for the contenders...
First of all, The contestants presented for posterity.
Camkierhi:
Ruglud, "The Stone Circle":
hk1x1. "Imperial Shrine":
inmygravenimage, "Shrine of Khorne":
OneManNoodles, "Adeptus Mechanicus Shrine":
xXWeaponPrimeXx, "No Atheists in Foxholes":
HyenaJoe, "The shrine of Saint Apollonia":
Chelnov, "Ruzzbot":
Final Round came down to three contestants. OneManNoodles, Hk1x1, and Camkierhi. I felt it would help explain the judging and help me out to use numbers, so I tried to grade the entries on a scale, and the winner overall is everything added up. A lot of the factors I'm judging on kind of bleed or overlap into one another (like realism and weathering, for instance) and there a lot of 'overall' type factors I judged it on too.
Weathering (how convincing are the weathering techniques)
Noodles: 8/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 7/10
Hk used some amazing weathering techniques, giving the whole piece an aged appearance. He showed the internal structure of the masonry as it was crumbling, and vegetation growing around and in it. I love the moss color on the stones in the wall, and the tree could be a bit more convincing, but it's still really cool.
Noodles used some great weathering techniques, but overall I felt they were just shy of what they could be. Could use a bit more variation in color, and some of the metal parts felt unfinished, still you get massive points for this!
Realism (including everything overall, paintjob, light and shade, weathering, construction... keeping in mind its still sci-fi)
Noodles: 7/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 7/10
Once again Hk pulls ahead with this, the work on the masonry, the vegetation, the weathering details, overall contribute to something that is very convincing. Especially the fact that it seems like every stone is a slightly different color, whether of green or grey, this makes a huge difference.
Scratchbuilding (extra points for using rivets),
Noodles: 10/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 9/10
Noodles comes out ahead... the amount of love put into the plasticard work on this piece is amazing. The different elements that are put together, like the glass tubes, all contribute to make something really cool and a great example of scratchbuilding.
Hk you get points for this too, the sculptures you've done are amazing... but the sheer amount of building Noodles has done comes out ahead.
Diversity/variation (is there color and shape variation, that makes it lovely to look at?)
Noodles: 8/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 8/10
Once again I love it how in Hk's entry, every stone is a different color. He actually makes a solid stone wall nice to look at. Noodles uses more variation in shapes, but some parts of the base and stair become monotonous.
Coherence (does it all come together in a unified whole?),
Noodles: 7/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 7/10
I would give Hk a ten in this category, but for the simple fact that this entry is kind of dull when seen from multiple angles, there is not much going on in the back except a solid square shaped wall. Still, when considered overall... everything just comes together. Every element looks like it belongs in the same world in a very convincing way. I just don't get the same feeling from Noodle's entry. IMO all the different scratchbuilt themes conflict a bit... the arches, the checkered pattern and the riveted areas... needs to have one dominant theme and stick with it, and some kind of weathering or painting light and shade could help as well.
Atmospherics (does it have a mood?)
Noodles: 7/10
Hk: 9/10
Camki: 8/10
Hk's definitely has a mood to it, that's all I can say.. it's not dark, more like extremely peaceful. Noodles has all the cool elements there for a religious feeling, but is just shy of getting off the ground, although the coolness factor is still off the charts (and sadly too subjective for this contest... I just think everything is cool).
Camki's entry also get's points because the stained glass windows and everything else give it a very fairy-tale mystical mood!
Creativity (did you think outside of the box and use new techniques or raw materials?),
Noodles: 10/10
Hk: 7/10
Camki: 8/10
Noodles, the use of the glass tubes was awesome. The use of different parts from kits mixed with the plasticard is top notch. Hk, I feel was just doing more of the same of what he is used to... but since he is so good at what he does it's fine with me nevertheless he still gets credit for some original sculpture here.
Camkierhi, you get credit for those awesome stained glass windows and display case for the sword and book. That was really cool!
Painting (overall the skill and effort put into painting)
Noodles: 9/10
Hk: 6/10
Camki: 7/10
Noodles: the details on the front including the little readout for the monitor, the glowing effects, The servo skull, was all fantastic. Hk, I already give points for the weathering stone, but aside from that I can't say there is any stellar paintjobs here, because I know it's fairly easy to drybrush stone and have it look excellent, and there doesn't need to be either... it is what it is.
Camki: awesome job painting the marble, the details on the book and such, and the walls.
Noodles: 66
Hk: 67
Camki: 54
So there you have it folks... Hk1x1 is the winner by a nose! And Camki you gave them a run for their money. In my mind you and OneManNoodles are equals but there you have it, there can be only one Anyway I hope my judging system helps to illustrate why I reached my decision. Also, everything I've written here is only one man's opinion and really, very little qualifies me except I'm making the prize (but I hope it helps at least) OneManNoodles, Camkierhi, well played.
Now for the secondary prize.... goes to...
immygravenimage!
Congrats dude, the sheer insanity and ambition of your creation and it's chaotic goodness have found it's way into my heart. Also, you made many WIP postings in the thread which is a necessary prerequisite for this prize! It doesn't have to be a hardcore profession job, it just has to make us smile and you certainly accomplish that. It was a very tough decision between you, and xXWeaponPrimeXx, whose entry actually has a story and a lot of great little details and variation in the posing I liked. The servo skull of doom is yours my friend.
Once again thanks to all the participants... each entry was a gem in itself, contributes to the thread and helps illustrate the talent here on Dakka. If any of you want me to change the final pic in the list of entrants, just post here or PM and I can change the title, use a different picture if you have finished it off or just want a different angle there, and I'll probably post all these to the front of the thread so that anybody looking around can see the entries right away.
Woo! I get to be a little floating skull! Great efforts all round, and a worthy winner. Meade, the detailed breakdown made for fascinating reading, and I'm just glad I made you smile. Onwards, riveters!
Congrats to all, and on a personal note I'm glad to see hk1x1 getting some well-deserved recognition. He's been making incredible stuff since posting on dakka but his thread didn't see a lot of attention. I expect that is going to change now.
My hat doffs to Meade for showing the comprehensive and methodical approach to judging. I think it was excellent and it would be cool to see more judges do this in the future.
Respect to ALL who entered. You took the time and showed the commitment to follow though, and in the process inspired a lot of people. OneManNoodles piece could fit anywhere on my table and I'm interested in taking a crack at a similar piece in the future. The flooring that Camkierhi used is awesome and I could do well to replicate that on my Imperial Sector ruins.
The absolute massive size of graven's piece is... massive. Over the top. You could play an entire game of Necromunda on it. Just staggering. You;re going to have to move to a new place if you keep building stuff like that.
Again, congrats to all, and I hope to stomp all of you into the wet slogging mud of defeat if I ever have the chance to compete in one of these contests again.
wow, didn't expect that, really thought OneManNoodles was gonna win this, a really close contest.
Thank you Meade for an excellent comp, it was fun, and great to see everyone's different entry's, plus I like what you said in the points breakdown, plenty of stuff for me to work on there in time for the next one.
welcome to the fold of the riveteers... *nods to:* graven, hk1x1 you´ve earned it... will you know make a comp together or only you HK1x1?...
by the way... you may now fly the riveers banner proudly!!!
and meade... that´s got to be the most indepth judging i have seen here... i can see how all the judging must ave left you spent and broken... but you are an artist... that´s probably a needful requirement to be still an awesome modler and painter as you already are
to all the others: it only worked so well this time because of you! to all entries... be proud about your work... !
Congratulations hk1x1, it was a close one and a very well deserved win for you and welcome to the riveters! I have to say I'm almost glad I didn't win, I have no idea what I would have picked as a prize
@ Meade: Thanks for laying on such a great contest and for the explanations made for an interesting read, Its nice to have a critical eye besides my own go over my work I'll have to work on my weathering so I win the next one
@ inmygravenimage: congrats I sure hope you've got room in a corner for that beast to sit.
Viktor von Domm wrote: welcome to the fold of the riveteers... *nods to:* graven, hk1x1 you´ve earned it... will you know make a comp together or only you HK1x1?...
by the way... you may now fly the riveers banner proudly!!!
and meade... that´s got to be the most indepth judging i have seen here... i can see how all the judging must ave left you spent and broken... but you are an artist... that´s probably a needful requirement to be still an awesome modler and painter as you already are
to all the others: it only worked so well this time because of you! to all entries... be proud about your work... !
cheers, vik
Thanks Vik, yes I am glad to have a break from judging!
The honor for the next contest goes to Hk1x1, so it's up to him to decide when to get on that... when he's ready
@OneManNoodles: Glad my judging notes helped, Noodles! Thanks again and for the record, if I wasn't completely fair-minded, my love for the Adeptus Mechanicus would have caused some bias on my part, your entry is still really awesome in my book
As the winner it has fallen to me to run the next contest, but don't panic, it wont start for a little while yet, as I think everyone would like to catch their breath before we start again.
In the meantime i'd love to hear everyone's ideas and suggestions for the next competition, I do have a few of my own but I want to hear what you think.
As it's you who will be spending your time building your new creations, and it helps if you have an interest in what it is your building.
So any ideas you may have let me know, And hopefully we can make The Terrain Competition # 7 as successful as the last .
well... I hope the lil breather will not take too long^^
as for ideas...
some, including me favoured a limitation comp... like taking a sheet of A4 Plasticcard and try to get a fully good looking terrain piece...
one other thing was some barricade or other scatter terrain...(like the famous nuka machine of dave?)
or...some chemical plant terrain?...
or make up a motto...like distilled boredom...
a pub...
or...like dave did in his first comp idea... try to name a piece of junk you want us all to build something with... like the lid competition...or the cookie competition...
As for some ideas for the next competition, i kinda like viks idea of using a piece junk we all have to use. If it has to be something i "need" , i still need to make a landingplatform and a flyer for my sisphus complex...wink, wink, nudge, nudge, hehe.
hk1x1 wrote: As the winner it has fallen to me to run the next contest, but don't panic, it wont start for a little while yet, as I think everyone would like to catch their breath before we start again.
In the meantime i'd love to hear everyone's ideas and suggestions for the next competition, I do have a few of my own but I want to hear what you think.
As it's you who will be spending your time building your new creations, and it helps if you have an interest in what it is your building.
So any ideas you may have let me know, And hopefully we can make The Terrain Competition # 7 as successful as the last .
To suggest some popular, generic but fun themes that most people could fit into their terrain for whatever their doing... we haven't done bunkers or gun emplacements yet, that's always fun... Hills, Ruins, Roads (or perhaps bridges), Houses/dwellings, Factories,
Or you could have a theme such as post-apocalyptic, War-torn, pastoral, Ice or Fire, Magical, and then maybe just some generic size restrictions so that people could make whetever they dream up according to that theme.
Or of course you could go with something a bit more off the wall, which is risky in that it might discourage participation from practical point of view but might encourage others due to general insanity. Like a paper terrain comp for instance.
Thanks meade, some great ideas there. I particularly like the gun emplacement idea, making something that actually has a function on the battlefield, other than just providing troop cover.
A weapon platform that you can use in your games as part of your army, The new Aquila strong point comes to mind, but it doesn't have to be as big as that.
This also works well with another idea I had, and that's encouraging people to build something that doesn't belong to the Imperium of man, you could if you wanted to of course,
but it would be great to see gun emplacements from other race's, Eldar, Tau, Necron. Orks would probably be a fun one to build (just think of all those rivets ),
or for something more challenging what about Tyranids, a completely organic gun emplacement.
It would be a chance to use you imagination, and really think outside the box.
So let us know what you think, and we'll go from there .
Congratulations to the winners! I've secretly following this thread like a secret ninja of secretness! All of the entries were really cool, I definitely don't envy the position of picking a winner.
I might throw my hat in for the next round and try my hand and riveting, I'll wait and see what the theme is first though before I decide.
Casey's Law wrote: Congratulations to the winners! I've secretly following this thread like a secret ninja of secretness! All of the entries were really cool, I definitely don't envy the position of picking a winner.
I might throw my hat in for the next round and try my hand and riveting, I'll wait and see what the theme is first though before I decide.
Thanks for the congrats, It was a great Competition (thanks to Meade and everyone that entered) and I hope to see you at the next one .
I am throwing around ideas at the moment as to the next contests theme, an idea that has been put forward is Gun Emplacement's.
You can find more details in my last post above.
Yeh I saw that discussion and it sounds like it could be fun. I don't know enough to comment further to be honest, I'd be interested to know how big a Gun Emplacement would have to be. It sounds like too big a project for me to take on but that might not be the case. I'll keep an eye on the discussion to learn more about it.
Casey's Law wrote: Congratulations to the winners! I've secretly following this thread like a secret ninja of secretness! All of the entries were really cool, I definitely don't envy the position of picking a winner.
I might throw my hat in for the next round and try my hand and riveting, I'll wait and see what the theme is first though before I decide.
Good to see you around here! BTW I was also readying something for the infinity competition too but sadly life got in the way for me to get my entry in on time I am now expanded into Infinity anyhow, it's quite addictive!
Yeh, it's a shame but real life has a way of intervening in our hobby plans. I'm glad the competition did it's job though and got you into the system. It's a highly addictive game and the miniatures are just amazing!
I've already had a few thumbs up for Gun Emplacements as a theme for the next contest, but I'm keen to know what everyone else thinks.
I also had a think about the finer details, and have come up with few more ideas.
I really want to make this contest a mixture of terrain building, and model making. As although the main theme is a gun emplacement this is first and foremost a terrain completion, so your entry should reflect this and be a balance of both, for example a Basilisk cannon behind a few sandbags is more model than terrain, but a Basilisk cannon in a fortified bunker built in to a cliff face is a far more interesting concept.
This contest will be open to everyone regardless of your skill level, if you don't think your paintings up to scratch, or your modelling abilities are less than perfect, don't worry, as what I'm looking for in this contest is Imagination and detail.
I want you to build something that I've never seen before, something that only exists in your mind.
And to make it even more original, how about a Xenos Gun emplacement, built by one of the many 40k alien races.
This wont be mandatory of course you can still build an imperial piece if you wish.
To finish of here's a few entry ideas of my own, feel free to use them if you wish.
The cannon of an old wrecked Titan, that's been repaired and made into a make shift artillery piece.
An Ancient Alien weapon, lost and buried for millions of years, is discovered and reactivated.
An Orbital Defence Cannon, stolen by another race, and overridden using their own technology.
These are just a few ideas, the possibilities are endless.
It does sound great! For me the issue would be time constraints, I have a lot on these days so I'd be pushed to work on something as large as a gun emplacement. Having said that I quite like the idea of challenging myself to accurately represent the theme in a small area.
Also, are rivets mandatory? I think some 40k races and other game systems(is that allowed?) would struggle to add rivets. Tau, Eldar, Tyranid, Infinity all spring to mind.
Already thinking on how to get a gun emplacement explained in my zombie apocalypse terrain... But i'll think of something i guess... Gun emplacement is fine by me...
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it'd make a great piece of multi-level terrain, is the theory.
well I certainly understand... you're a parent now and you have responsibilities...
That's huge!
Sorry seem to be hijacking this, anyways this is my last pic dump.
Great efforts all round, and a worthy winner. Meade, the detailed breakdown made for fascinating reading, and I'm just glad I made you smile. Onwards, riveters!
