Sad times. Looks like the Specialist Games range is going to the great lead graveyard in the sky. A small but growing selection of Specialist Games minis are no longer available. Confirmed by several posts from Tactical Command, Warseer, Specialist Arms, Epic Addiction Blog and anyone that phones up GW Mail Order to ask. The general line is "They are gone permanently. Other stuff will disappear as stocks run out"
A quick look on GWUK show that some models are no longer available, such as:
Blood Bowl Atherlorn Avengers team Soopa stompa Reaver titan Artillery company Repulsive Grand Cruiser Blood Bowl Chaos Booster
Also, some Warmaster, Mordheim and Inquisitor miniatures are unavailable. Could either mean they're switching them to Finecast (ugh) or they're wrapping up the range completely now.
If you want any SG models, probably best to grab them now...
Oh good. One more step towards GW's current management finally getting fired for sheer incompetence. Hopefully they don't trash the molds so that GW's new owners can get the stuff back into production quickly.
Oh FFS, I was planning to start an Imperial Fleet for BFG next month. Seriously, is Tom Kirby on a personal mission to piss on the fond memories of anyone over twelve years old or something? :/
EDIT: Righto, just rang up myself, according to the mail order chappie, they are discontinuing some models which are both A: in need of new moulds being made because the old ones are knackered, and B: don't sell particularly well. They are NOT axing the whole range, and they are NOT getting rid of the free rules on the website.
Also, if anyone was specifically after a Repulsive Grand Cruiser, they have two left in the warehouse as of 11am GMT that they'll let you order over the phone if you have a credit card.
So, it's still crappy news, but its slightly less crappy than it could be.
That is a real rubbish move by GW. I can kind of see why they are doing it if it isn't making them any money, but I was planning on building both an Ork and Spacemarine fleet for BFG :(
That is a real rubbish move by GW. I can kind of see why they are doing it if it isn't making them any money, but I was planning on building both an Ork and Spacemarine fleet for BFG :(
For what it's worth, the line isn't making GW money because they don't want to make money off of it.
PEARSCW wrote: Do we have a link to the post on Tactical Command, I have just had a browse and cannot see it.
Will be a shame to see the epic stuff go. I had plans for a Space Marine force in the future. At least there are plenty of proxies that can be used.
Here's the thread. Couple of them have e-mailed GW and have been told the same. specialist-arms.com also have similar responses as does a post on Warseer I've just read...
I'm always really confused as to why GW let the 40K tie in elements of Specialist Games die.
Why not just make it that results of games of Necromunda, Gothic or Epic could effect standard 40k games or vice versa. I know the rules aren't the same but surely some kind of Mission table could see this work. I don't think they should need to tie in to regular 40k, it's just something I thought GW would have done.
That is a real rubbish move by GW. I can kind of see why they are doing it if it isn't making them any money, but I was planning on building both an Ork and Spacemarine fleet for BFG :(
For what it's worth, the line isn't making GW money because they don't want to make money off of it.
Or they can't afford to make money off it.
Yes, I mean that seriously. Look at the current state of the specialist games: no books in print, everything is metal, and most of their customers probably don't even know the games exist. To make money off them GW would have to re-launch the entire line with new rulebooks, set up new production for finecast/plastic, and do some marketing to get people interested. That's probably a fair bit of money being spent up front, at a time when GW is struggling to break even. Then of course since GW only knows how to market to existing customers and assumes that their customers fans will spend all of their available money on GW each sale of a specialist games product means less money spent on "core" products, and specialist games are a lot cheaper to play. So GW probably took a look at the situation, realized how much of a disaster their current financial state is, and decided that they can dump the whole line and increase "profits" for a quarter to keep the shareholders happy.
The only hope here is that they save the molds until the company is bought by someone less amazingly incompetent.
Just grabbed a Necromunda Redemptionist set while they're still available. No doubt we'll either get no explanation at all, or some juvenile doublespeak along the lines of "This is a spectacular development as it means we can dedicate more effort to the kits and service that you come to expect." To be fair, has anyone considered the idea that they're only temporarly unavailable, so people like me will panic buy before they apparently go out of production alltogether, when in fact they'll be back next week or something. Regardless we'll probably get an over-inflated box set of BFG or Necromunda that's so so so super-duper-limited-exclusive-edition that there's only 4 kits ever made.
Valkyrie wrote: Just grabbed a Necromunda Redemptionist set while they're still available. No doubt we'll either get no explanation at all, or some juvenile doublespeak along the lines of "This is a spectacular development as it means we can dedicate more effort to the kits and service that you come to expect." To be fair, has anyone considered the idea that they're only temporarly unavailable, so people like me will panic buy before they apparently go out of production alltogether, when in fact they'll be back next week or something.
Since their customer service has apparently confirmed the news, that would equate flat out lying to customers about the products availability - GW would soon feel the heavy hand of UK consumer watchdog in their collar. As I said, in theory it could mean widespread switch to Finecast, but it seems unlikely.
And yeah, I'm actually rather surprised how no corporate yes-men have came out yet and spilled the awesome opportunity this presents to old SG fans to start a new 40k army or something!
Yeah, I was going to buy some Aquila landers the other day and they'd disappeared, so I bought Lightnings instead. Didn't realise the whole lot was going, time to get the other bits I was looking at I guess.
Aye, didn't even realize a load of the books where gone, will treasure my mordheim books then, and regret selling the Necromunda ones. Although several of my fave figures in either setting have not been available for ages, and I'm not willing to pay ebay prices.
Looks like metal in general may be getting phased out as looking on a thread or two elsewhere it seems figs in the 40K and Fantasy sections are also gaining the dreaded 'not available' tag.
Good job I picked up those Wood Elves a few weeks back, might do a check over see if there is anything I seriously want later, but most of the Specialist range is sadly looking a bit outdated.
Valkyrie wrote: Just grabbed a Necromunda Redemptionist set while they're still available. No doubt we'll either get no explanation at all, or some juvenile doublespeak along the lines of "This is a spectacular development as it means we can dedicate more effort to the kits and service that you come to expect." To be fair, has anyone considered the idea that they're only temporarly unavailable, so people like me will panic buy before they apparently go out of production alltogether, when in fact they'll be back next week or something.
Since their customer service has apparently confirmed the news, that would equate flat out lying to customers about the products availability - GW would soon feel the heavy hand of UK consumer watchdog in their collar. As I said, in theory it could mean widespread switch to Finecast, but it seems unlikely.
And yeah, I'm actually rather surprised how no corporate yes-men have came out yet and spilled the awesome opportunity this presents to old SG fans to start a new 40k army or something!
Exactly. I'd be less pissed off (still pissed off though nonetheless) if GW actually gave us a legit reason and treated us like adults when it came to their decisions. If they were just honest and said something like "It's not economically viable for us to continue the Specialist Games sector, therefore we regret that we will have to cease production" instead of just hoping people don't notice or giving us the usual doublespeak crap, then I'd a have quite a bit more respect for the company.
Well that sucks. Aeronautica Imperialis is a really under-appreciated game, it's sad to see them dumping it instead of doing anything to boost sales. I wonder if this was FW's own decision to stop as well, or if they've been ordered by GW management to end production.
I've been meaning to try Inquisitor and Gorkamorka for a while, better download the PDFs.
I wonder if this will extend beyond specialist games. I wouldn't be too surprised if older metal 40K/WHFB models that don't sell quite as well will be going the journey as well.
Well that sucks. Aeronautica Imperialis is a really under-appreciated game, it's sad to see them dumping it instead of doing anything to boost sales. I wonder if this was FW's own decision to stop as well, or if they've been ordered by GW management to end production.
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. So, get your Haven Class Spires and Ramilies Starforts for your pensions - they will go for a packet on ebay when they're sold out...
Well lets not be all doom and gloom. This actually might signal good stuff, like FW taking over the games. They were already doing some epic titans, and mordheim personalities could easily be side projects for their fantasy devision. As for bloodbowl, isn't it rumored to be this years secret item for fall/winter with 4 new sculpted teams?
Theophony wrote: Well lets not be all doom and gloom. This actually might signal good stuff, like FW taking over the games. They were already doing some epic titans, and mordheim personalities could easily be side projects for their fantasy devision. As for bloodbowl, isn't it rumored to be this years secret item for fall/winter with 4 new sculpted teams?
novemberrain wrote: Forgeworld is also stopping Specialist games support - confirmed by multiple Taccoms members, including me ringing them.
zedmeister wrote: So, get your Haven Class Spires and Ramilies Starforts for your pensions - they will go for a packet on ebay when they're sold out...
Let's just hope the Chinese/Russian community decides that there's enough of a market to sell them on ebay...
Welp, I suppose the question now is do I grab the BFG and Epic armies I've been meaning to for years now, or just say feth it and spend my money on a game that wants players.
Lansirill wrote: Welp, I suppose the question now is do I grab the BFG and Epic armies I've been meaning to for years now, or just say feth it and spend my money on a game that wants players.
Buy it. It's really annoying to have to hunt down OOP models at inflated prices on ebay because you didn't buy them when you had a chance, and someday you'll probably regret not getting them.
Refrained from dropping a couple hundred on BFG ships I'd wanted to pick up for ages when I realized I've played one game of BFG in 10 years and that it's not likely to change. Pity, the specialist games were some of the best stuff GW ever produced, especially the 40k tied in ones.
Welp, looks like Space Marines are already more or less gone from the US. No scouts or terminators, and 1-2 weeks for regular PA. So much for that chapter I was wanting.
So I lied. I did grab a few of the Mechanicus ships because I think finding them on ebay in the future would suck if I even decided I wanted them. And I've got a dark mechanicus army I've been building for 40k and expanding on thru 6th so far.
Hulksmash wrote: So I lied. I did grab a few of the Mechanicus ships because I think finding them on ebay in the future would suck if I even decided I wanted them. And I've got a dark mechanicus army I've been building for 40k and expanding on thru 6th so far.
To be fair I only bought the ones that'll probably never show up on Ebay.....To hell with the rest of the stuff. Dropping around $100 for a cruiser squadron and battleship isn't so bad. Wish they still had some of the light cruisers though that would have put a bit more on the cost...
Oh fecking hell, I've been putting off getting the FWBFG stuff I wanted for ages, now there's no way I'll be able to afford it all before everyone else's panic-buying runs down their stock >:/
Also, I love the excuse the FW guys are being forced to give over the phone; "Yeah sorry, the market just isn't there for them anymore" - hmmmm, hmm, hmmmmmmm, I wonder why that could be.
Yodhrin wrote: Also, I love the excuse the FW guys are being forced to give over the phone; "Yeah sorry, the market just isn't there for them anymore" - hmmmm, hmm, hmmmmmmm, I wonder why that could be.
Now, the real question is whether there isn't a market for the FW stuff, or if GW has ordered them to stop sales and told them to lie about it if anyone asks.
streamdragon wrote: Hm... do I drop more cash on Escher models now, or do I go third party and never play at a GW store/event.
Wait... I already don't play at GW stores/events...
Here's the thing though; some of us quite like the actual models. I don't want to have to play BFG with generic sci-fi ships, I like the flying cathedrals :(
streamdragon wrote: Hm... do I drop more cash on Escher models now, or do I go third party and never play at a GW store/event.
Wait... I already don't play at GW stores/events...
I'm currently pulling together an Escher gang, and I've got almost every GW Escher model.
After doing some looking I couldn't find many 3rd party models that fitted in with them.
If you've found anything appropriate please let me know
zedmeister wrote: There's always deadzone to consider. I'd be surprised if Mantic didn't put out some sort of female only gang...
They'd have to offer a worthwhile deal for women-only bundles this time before I'd be interested. I don't want to pay more than GW plastic prices for models without sculpts and with sparse concept art, nor do I want to be told the only way to get a better price per model is to buy some men and orks too.
Me, I hope to buy a ton of Raging Heroes' new lines once they get that Kickstarter up and running.
Medium of Death wrote: I'm always really confused as to why GW let the 40K tie in elements of Specialist Games die.
Why not just make it that results of games of Necromunda, Gothic or Epic could effect standard 40k games or vice versa. I know the rules aren't the same but surely some kind of Mission table could see this work. I don't think they should need to tie in to regular 40k, it's just something I thought GW would have done.
I thought they did a campaign book that had gothic to 40k stuff. Long out of print, though.
Epic to 40k would be easy in a campaign setting as well. Maybe write the scenario rules for a 'territory' style campaign with a mechanic where a player's campaign-level action can choose to be either a 'Strategic advance' (play a game of Epic) or a 'Tactical strike' (play a game of 40k) with some different victory details to make this a meaningful decision. Maybe make the Strategic Advance reward with less resource points or whatever (it's an expensive option in consumables, and the conquered territory has less population), while the Tactical Strike gets bonuses to intel/research, but less resources of other kinds as there's less forces to really hold and pacify the conquered territory. if desired,a dd a mechanic where each player picks their desired style, and do a matrix table of attacker vs. defender like so:
Attacker Epic/Defender Epic: Epic, standard mission
Attacker 40k/Defender Epic: Roll a d6. 1-3, 40, Infiltration Mission. 4-6, Epic, Fighting Withdrawal Mission
Attacker Epic/Defender 40k: Roll a d6. 1-3, Epic, Standard Mission. 4-6, 40k, Last Stand mission
Attacker 40k/Defender 40k: 40k, standard mission
Necromunda is a bit tougher, as Necromunda factions don't really map 1:1 to 40k factions the way the other games do. They're all various kinds of hive gangs, so in a 40k context they're basically militia ImpGuard might use in a pinch.I think at least one version had some limited support for Space Marines, Genestealers, and a few other bits, but for the most part a lot of 40k factions would have little or no representation.
It must not be worth the money to re-tool the molds into other materials. Since a majority are going to be decades old plastic, Metal or Forgeworld, they would need to spend bandwidth making plastic molds or finecast (bleh).
If I were GW, I would break off the specialist games into its own company the way FW is and say 'here is the IP, go nuts'. Let them live or die as a self-contained unit. Let the specialist games guys bring back the journal and then Kickstart the living gak out of all the old games.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Or give the Necromunda rights to FFG and let me at 'em!!!
Push your FFG contacts to look into it, maynard!
Oh for all that's sweet and true and good and just in the world, please do that. The idea of FFG taking over the Specialist Games makes me all goey downstairs
Not just Necromunda either, they could make actual Inquisimunda, a fusion of the best bits of both, with all the old 28mm SG games as settings/sourcebooks. BFG seems well suited to a boxed-game adaptation too. Do FFG do kickstarter?
This is such a shame and so utterly unsurprising that I can't even muster the energy to make a "This is great news!" joke.
*walks away*
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This I have found quite sad... Your usual wit, sarcasm and jovialism is great to read HBMC... It must truly be a time of misery if this is what GW's "policies" and "ideas" has reduced you to :(
Oh what ?! This is actually quite devastating ! I love BFG and the forgeworld BFG models even some of the Aeronautica stuff and now I'm been told it's been discontinued :O
This is actually really sucky news for me and my friend who play specialist games... Cram.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: ARRAGRAGRAGHHHHHH!!! DAMN YOU GW!!!! I just bought a bunch of Aeronautica Imperialis stuff and now you're getting rid of it??
***many swear words***
Grrrrr...
***walks away muttering to self****
Hey, you already bought it, it doesn't turn to dust now that the game isn't supported.
Honestly, this sucks a fat one, but isn't much different from the last few years as far as GW is concerned. They haven't supported any of these games (aside from some odd Bloodbowl individual figures a couple years back) and won't now. The best place to buy this stuff already was eBay, and it was hard enough to find people to play to begin with. The online communities for Bloodbowl and Necromunda are what have kept those alive for years, and they'll continue to do so.
Welp, I picked up my 'small' imperial fleet for BFG. Might get some Epic, but those miniatures are so danged fiddly I'm not sure I'd actually have fun painting them. Didn't want to slow my order down with the 1-2 week wait on a SM battle company either way though.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: ARRAGRAGRAGHHHHHH!!! DAMN YOU GW!!!! I just bought a bunch of Aeronautica Imperialis stuff and now you're getting rid of it??
***many swear words***
Grrrrr...
***walks away muttering to self****
Hey, you already bought it, it doesn't turn to dust now that the game isn't supported.
Honestly, this sucks a fat one, but isn't much different from the last few years as far as GW is concerned. They haven't supported any of these games (aside from some odd Bloodbowl individual figures a couple years back) and won't now. The best place to buy this stuff already was eBay, and it was hard enough to find people to play to begin with. The online communities for Bloodbowl and Necromunda are what have kept those alive for years, and they'll continue to do so.
Yes, but I don't really own enough to play a decent game. I just got the rulebooks and a couple of fighters from a few factions so I could try it out with friends. About $150 worth. They're already taking down some of the AI models, I could just buy the rest of the squadrons I wanted before they all go, but I'm also in the middle of buying a car and don't really want to drop the money on it at the moment :-(
Specialist games was for many the place to which they would point to prove that GW wasn't entirely deaf to veteran gamers. Despite the lack of expansion of these games for years, SG still added some interesting aspects to the GW universes.
Now it's just one more scroogie to the vets.
Very sad to hear about this. Makes me glad that I've got 3 (almsot 4) necromunda factions worth of figures. Haven't played since the 90's, but at least I'll have the option.
This really sucks! It was Mordheim that got me into miniature gaming in the first place. I had always wondered about the miniatures that lined the wall at my FLGS but was put off by the start up costs. then my friend introduced me to Mordheim and I was hooked. I wish that GW would realise what good starter games Necromunda and Mordheim and the like are, as I have since spent many thousands on their plastic crack. Another wasted opportunity on GW's part.
Anyone know how long Forge World usually take to deliver? I ordered some AI stuff the other day, now it's looking like I'm up against the clock to order the rest of what I need, but I don't want to do that until I've seen the first lot in person (it's a lot of money to drop on totally unseen stuff).
Also an interesting coincidence for me, I just put a bunch of Necromunda House Escher models on eBay, many of them are relatively rare out of production models. Here's a link:
Inevitable I imagine. They were never going to be released in Finecast as that requires investment, given how they've run down specialist games there's probably not a market to support that. But to continuing in metal requires they maintain old equipment and continue to buy metal stocks. That's just not going to work.
It's just not viable, not that I'm excusing them. They aren't viable because they've cut support and wound the ranges down over 10 years and have chosen to let them go to ruin. Now there's no place for them because they don't want to make them work. They were happy to make a small amount off them by keeping stocks of things, but now it requires real care they prefer to shut them down. Sad but it was a surprisingly long time coming given the current management style.
Riquende wrote: Anyone know how long Forge World usually take to deliver? I ordered some AI stuff the other day, now it's looking like I'm up against the clock to order the rest of what I need, but I don't want to do that until I've seen the first lot in person (it's a lot of money to drop on totally unseen stuff).
I think you might be out of luck, they've already pulled some of the stuff off the site and now the thunderhawk is out of stock, the vampire raider has gone out of stock in the few minutes since I added it to my cart. The Aquila Lander and Valkyrie has vanished. All of these were models I was planning to buy in the next few months, so yeah, I am not happy right now. Something from the Tau range is gone as well, not sure what it was I just notice there's one less object in the range. I think I need to quit the hobby and stick to working on my cars, little toy soldiers are not worth the frustration.
I just wish the bastards could say a week or two ahead of time "Hey guys, unfortunately we are discontinuing these lines in 2 weeks, please place any last orders for them now". Instead you order half a force and then before you have a chance to finish it they pull the range from their sites.
I give up, frak them, I'm not going to try and purchase a crapload of stuff to beat the clock.
judgedoug wrote: So, GW admits defeat and Mantic has now picked up the torch? Can't wait for Mantic's Mordheim-replacement.
Meet the new boss, same (or slightly better/worse) than the old boss.
At least the new boss shows up to work, actively talks to you, encourages you, gives you tasks, and pats you on the back.
The old boss has forgotten to come to work for ten years.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh FFS, I was planning to start an Imperial Fleet for BFG next month. Seriously, is Tom Kirby on a personal mission to piss on the fond memories of anyone over twelve years old or something? :/
EDIT: Righto, just rang up myself, according to the mail order chappie, they are discontinuing some models which are both A: in need of new moulds being made because the old ones are knackered, and B: don't sell particularly well. They are NOT axing the whole range, and they are NOT getting rid of the free rules on the website.
Also, if anyone was specifically after a Repulsive Grand Cruiser, they have two left in the warehouse as of 11am GMT that they'll let you order over the phone if you have a credit card.
So, it's still crappy news, but its slightly less crappy than it could be.
I like that this post has been consistently ignored.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh FFS, I was planning to start an Imperial Fleet for BFG next month. Seriously, is Tom Kirby on a personal mission to piss on the fond memories of anyone over twelve years old or something? :/
EDIT: Righto, just rang up myself, according to the mail order chappie, they are discontinuing some models which are both A: in need of new moulds being made because the old ones are knackered, and B: don't sell particularly well. They are NOT axing the whole range, and they are NOT getting rid of the free rules on the website.
Also, if anyone was specifically after a Repulsive Grand Cruiser, they have two left in the warehouse as of 11am GMT that they'll let you order over the phone if you have a credit card.
So, it's still crappy news, but its slightly less crappy than it could be.
I like that this post has been consistently ignored.
Just thought I'd bring it to your attention.
I'll believe it when I see it, others have said they are gone for good...
I just rang Forgeworld and they are also stopping production of any new specialist games miniatures – this means that all BFG, EPIC, AI ranges are now no longer in production and once the remaining stocks go they will not be replaced.
I just wish the bastards could say a week or two ahead of time "Hey guys, unfortunately we are discontinuing these lines in 2 weeks, please place any last orders for them now". Instead you order half a force and then before you have a chance to finish it they pull the range from their sites.
They have no online medium to convey such a message...
Or perhaps they should put it in their nigh useless glossy rag.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh FFS, I was planning to start an Imperial Fleet for BFG next month. Seriously, is Tom Kirby on a personal mission to piss on the fond memories of anyone over twelve years old or something? :/
EDIT: Righto, just rang up myself, according to the mail order chappie, they are discontinuing some models which are both A: in need of new moulds being made because the old ones are knackered, and B: don't sell particularly well. They are NOT axing the whole range, and they are NOT getting rid of the free rules on the website.
Also, if anyone was specifically after a Repulsive Grand Cruiser, they have two left in the warehouse as of 11am GMT that they'll let you order over the phone if you have a credit card.
So, it's still crappy news, but its slightly less crappy than it could be.
I like that this post has been consistently ignored.
Just thought I'd bring it to your attention.
I'll believe it when I see it, others have said they are gone for good...
I just rang Forgeworld and they are also stopping production of any new specialist games miniatures – this means that all BFG, EPIC, AI ranges are now no longer in production and once the remaining stocks go they will not be replaced.
I run Epic Addiction. Just be aware that some FW staffer will know more than others, and although I stand by what I heard from them, the staffer I talked to may not have had the whole truth. On the other hand the staffer Yodhrin talked to might also be in the same place.
The blanket approach to specialist games is bloody stupid; there's a lot more potential money in re-releasing BFG and Epic in particular; they appeal to what 40k gamers want, and the rulesets are fairly concise; they'd likely generate more money for GW than the bloody Hobbit if they took it seriously.
But no, march on into oblivion dear sir, march on.
Well that blows, I always hated how quickly GW abandoned their spin-offs and then left them to fester in a corner. They took a sales dip and off to the dark corner of the webstore they went. But the main limiter was that Specialist Games stuff was fething expensive and usually woefully incomplete. Epic was home to vehicles that cost as much as a full Land Raider kit, Necromunda was missing loads of minis, etc.
The writing has been on the wall for a while, but it is sad to see GW killing off some of their best work.
Oh well, at least I have my Epic and Necromunda stuff, not that I've played either in years. Just another one of those moves that will have me placing my money elsewhere I suppose.
I can play dwarf kings hold, dreadball and now deadzone whenever I like.
Just because GW is axing all of it's specialist/ cool stuff, doesn't mean there aren't other companies releasing loads of new stuff.
Mantic and Spartan are probably the most prolific alternatives for the specialist gaming style of releases, along with all the numerous skirmish and board games out there.
The only one I'll really miss is mordheim, excellent setting.
I mean, take something like necromunda... 4 plastic gang kits, then a plastic terrain set.
One month's worth of releases away from the current "release some stupid giant monster/flyer every month" and back towards the good old days would have GW drowning in cash.
But they just won't do it. Space Hulk was the last time they ever did something like that.. and it made them a ton of cash. Can't have profit and huge sales in the company, can we? Oh, no.
Squig, get Mantic working on a BFG replacement in the WarPath universe. I know you're not affiliated with them, but Mantic does this weird thing called "listening to customers" and I'd say you're fairly well known to them.
Yeah, I know, Firestorm Armada, but the rules and models outside of the Rense System Navy really didn't grab me.
I mean, take something like necromunda... 4 plastic gang kits, then a plastic terrain set.
One month's worth of releases away from the current "release some stupid giant monster/flyer every month" and back towards the good old days would have GW drowning in cash.
But they just won't do it. Space Hulk was the last time they ever did something like that.. and it made them a ton of cash. Can't have profit and huge sales in the company, can we? Oh, no.
The strategy departement at GW is filled with a bunch of clowns. If they released necromunda with 4 plastic gangs, theyd make ton of money. Hell most of these kits could be used in 40k as well, so it wouldn't only be for necromunda (most gang could be used as conscript in a IG army, Scavvies or cultist could be used as cultist in a chaos army). Same thing for Mordeheim.
At least, dead zone and sprawl ganger (man I'm pumped for this game) are coming out soon, so i'll get my fix of campaign based skirmish games.
Have to admit I'm not surprised this has happened, Specialist Games seemed to have been the Redheaded stepchild of GW since I started 40K back in 2003.
Had they bothered investing in it and pushing the various games then they could've been onto a money maker.
I mean Mordhiem, Necromunda and Blood Bowl are still hugely popular....hell Blood Bowl from what I hear still has packed out tournaments for it.
GW has really been waging a war against its own fanbase these last 2-3 months. I can't fathom what else they have planned. I suspect complete bans on gaming in-store.
hokieseas wrote: So does this kill that rumor that there was going to be a new specialist boxed game released in the mix this summer? Supposedly Blood Bowl?
Not necessarily. It could very well end up being completely scaled back to a new starter set and a handful of faction.
hokieseas wrote: So does this kill that rumor that there was going to be a new specialist boxed game released in the mix this summer? Supposedly Blood Bowl?
No, it just means it won't be supported. But we thought that anyway.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: It is the lack of warning that angers me, once again GW stinks like a fetid donkey's arse at communication.
That's what really pisses me off, I had recently bought $150 worth of Aeronautica Imperialis spread across 2 factions to play intro games and was wanting to expand to a couple of full squadrons, within minutes of me reading this thread half the models I would have bought are now "out of stock" and a couple have vanished from the site completely. If they'd at least told us they were going away soon so I could have finished off my squadrons, that would have been annoying but at least I wouldn't be angry and left with incomplete squadrons.
Kilkrazy wrote: They barely were. This is just the end point of a process of not so benign neglect that started 10 years ago or more.
This is it really... I think bullet in the head for games that were dragging themselves along the ground with a few fingers, breathing in ragged and gasping breaths. The fan communities for most of those games will continue regardless I think however.
Real question now - Mantic's Deadzone, the game being designed by one of the rule-writers for Necromunda no less (Jake Thornton). They've made pains to say their game isn't Necromunda, but there are certainly similarities in the concept.
So, the timing of the Deadzone KS is coincidence? Personally I would be inclined to say not..
GW has become a medium for shifting plastic really which is not a bad thing in itself, but they are taking it to extremes. If they could get away without publishing rulebooks, I think they'd cut those too.
GW has become a medium for shifting plastic really which is not a bad thing in itself, but they are taking it to extremes. If they could get away without publishing rulebooks, I think they'd cut those too.
I'm pretty sure they make a pretty penny off their rulebooks and codices as well.
I am hardly surprised by this, for years GW have been trying to kill off their Specialist games, by overpricing and just sheer neglect. These were the last bastion of the once loyal fan base of "hobby gamers"
What annoys me more is that GW will still slavishly hold the IP's and woe beside anyone who tries to produce anything remotely like any of these now defunct games.
To rub salt in the wound I am now certain that there will be a limited edition Bloodbowl at some exhorbitant price, late this year. One off sale with a splash article in WD and then no support or anything new afterwards.
Followed next year by Mordheim or a deluxe BFG with a (yes I mean one model battleship) for each of the major races played out on a lovely velvet star map ---
For me at least this is just spitting in the face of the many who have lined ther coffers over far too many years.
The only non-overpriced Specialist thing was the 12 Mordheim Villagers for $40, which I nabbed immediately. $3-something per metal model is less than most other companies now. Really sad about this, but it finally gave me the impetus to grab the redesigned Epic Eldar Revenant Titans i've been wanting, plus the aforementioned Mordheim Villagers, plus the Drunk Dwarfs and a few other odds and ends.
I started wargaming actively 2 or 3 years ago, but long before then i use to paint BFG with my Dad when i was like 6. and I'm sure i played a game or two but never really remembered. Those faint memories of my horribly painted fleet are part of the reason i started 40k a few years ago and I've been thinking about grabbing BFG for those feelings of nostalgia ever since. Sad to see something like BFG go, especially since I've seen some amazing work with the models.
Ah GW... you've done it again. Well, it's off to those Russian and Chinese dealers to get some casts
I can play dwarf kings hold, dreadball and now deadzone whenever I like.
Just because GW is axing all of it's specialist/ cool stuff, doesn't mean there aren't other companies releasing loads of new stuff.
Just because there are other companies releasing loads of new stuff doesn't mean I'm going to care about them. I'm invested in 40k universum, if GW won't provide me rules & models I care about, then I'm out of the universum, and out of the hobby.
wilycoyote wrote: I am hardly surprised by this, for years GW have been trying to kill off their Specialist games, by overpricing and just sheer neglect. These were the last bastion of the once loyal fan base of "hobby gamers"
What annoys me more is that GW will still slavishly hold the IP's and woe beside anyone who tries to produce anything remotely like any of these now defunct games.
To rub salt in the wound I am now certain that there will be a limited edition Bloodbowl at some exhorbitant price, late this year. One off sale with a splash article in WD and then no support or anything new afterwards.
Followed next year by Mordheim or a deluxe BFG with a (yes I mean one model battleship) for each of the major races played out on a lovely velvet star map ---
For me at least this is just spitting in the face of the many who have lined ther coffers over far too many years.
my friends thought the dreadfleet mat made a beautiful tablecloth... that's not a game one should ever try and have anyone who plays warhammer play
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Black Nexus wrote: hardly surprising. I'm not worried, I know where my money's wanted .
Yodhrin wrote: Oh FFS, I was planning to start an Imperial Fleet for BFG next month. Seriously, is Tom Kirby on a personal mission to piss on the fond memories of anyone over twelve years old or something? :/
EDIT: Righto, just rang up myself, according to the mail order chappie, they are discontinuing some models which are both A: in need of new moulds being made because the old ones are knackered, and B: don't sell particularly well. They are NOT axing the whole range, and they are NOT getting rid of the free rules on the website.
Also, if anyone was specifically after a Repulsive Grand Cruiser, they have two left in the warehouse as of 11am GMT that they'll let you order over the phone if you have a credit card.
So, it's still crappy news, but its slightly less crappy than it could be.
I like that this post has been consistently ignored.
Just thought I'd bring it to your attention.
I'll believe it when I see it, others have said they are gone for good...
I just rang Forgeworld and they are also stopping production of any new specialist games miniatures – this means that all BFG, EPIC, AI ranges are now no longer in production and once the remaining stocks go they will not be replaced.
I run Epic Addiction. Just be aware that some FW staffer will know more than others, and although I stand by what I heard from them, the staffer I talked to may not have had the whole truth. On the other hand the staffer Yodhrin talked to might also be in the same place.
Oh no, you're right, the Forgeworld stuff is deffo going the way of the dodo, once their current stock of an item sells out they're permanently delisting it(and even then, the FW guy I spoke to this afternoon said "best get your orders in by the end of the month", I assume he meant May, so they're probably just going to kill the BFG and Epic sections then either way), the staffer I was referring to in that first comment was regarding the GW metal ranges.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh no, you're right, the Forgeworld stuff is deffo going the way of the dodo, once their current stock of an item sells out they're permanently delisting it(and even then, the FW guy I spoke to this afternoon said "best get your orders in by the end of the month", I assume he meant May, so they're probably just going to kill the BFG and Epic sections then either way), the staffer I was referring to in that first comment was regarding the GW metal ranges.
If it doesn't sell, you really can't expect FW (or GW for that matter) to keep it in stock.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh no, you're right, the Forgeworld stuff is deffo going the way of the dodo, once their current stock of an item sells out they're permanently delisting it(and even then, the FW guy I spoke to this afternoon said "best get your orders in by the end of the month", I assume he meant May, so they're probably just going to kill the BFG and Epic sections then either way), the staffer I was referring to in that first comment was regarding the GW metal ranges.
If it doesn't sell, you really can't expect FW (or GW for that matter) to keep it in stock.
How many people have have mentioned in this thread that they have either placed an order as a result of this news, expressed regret as they may not have the finances in time or have spoken of fond memories of one of these games?
If they didn't sell it was GW's fault and nothing else.
To be fair god only knows when or if I would have purchased the ships I purchased today if they hadn't dropped them. I've been meaning to pick them up for well over 8 years.
I was just about to pull the trigger on 3 BFG fleets for my kids. I spent the past couple of weeks going through the BFG rules with an eye towards integrating them into a full blown 40k campaign from the initial space battles, to planetary assaults etc.
I'm even building a hive city (36" round, 24" tall ) as a centerpiece.
Oh well. Guess I'll take a closer look at Firestorm Armada's miniatures.
I was just about to pull the trigger on 3 BFG fleets for my kids. I spent the past couple of weeks going through the BFG rules with an eye towards integrating them into a full blown 40k campaign from the initial space battles, to planetary assaults etc.
GW support isn't going to make the rules fade off the page in your current rulebook or your current models implode. You can still get BFG stuff pretty easily and even when GW stops selling them retail, they will still be out there.
I am not going to smash my bloodbowl minis with a hammer because of this or stop playing. I will still play mordheim if a game pops up. This really only impacts people who were going to buy stuff from the GW website. I feel like you can buy specialist game lots dirt cheap and collect pretty much anything you wanted.
Hulksmash wrote: To be fair god only knows when or if I would have purchased the ships I purchased today if they hadn't dropped them. I've been meaning to pick them up for well over 8 years.
I bought an Inquisitor scale Space Marine as I always regretted not getting one when they first came out, despite never playing or intending to play the game.
One wonders whether the spike in sales will be sufficient to give them pause or *dons tin hat* that was secretly the plan all along.
Or! The part of my brain that still wants to believe GW has a clue and wants to make its customers happy has just suggested that it may be to clear out the old stock in preparation for an annual, rolling spec games update, with new plastic kits and updated rules for each game every few years.
Part of me wants to believe that this a sneaky cash grab on GW's part: let word spread that they're killing off the Specialist Games, and suddenly everyone buys up what's left of the stuff and GW makes a quick bit of money in the short term.
But, I'm not surprised. They've done next to nothing to support the games, and they even did their best to kill off some of the fansites a couple years back.
I was just about to pull the trigger on 3 BFG fleets for my kids. I spent the past couple of weeks going through the BFG rules with an eye towards integrating them into a full blown 40k campaign from the initial space battles, to planetary assaults etc.
GW support isn't going to make the rules fade off the page in your current rulebook or your current models implode. You can still get BFG stuff pretty easily and even when GW stops selling them retail, they will still be out there.
I am not going to smash my bloodbowl minis with a hammer because of this or stop playing. I will still play mordheim if a game pops up. This really only impacts people who were going to buy stuff from the GW website. I feel like you can buy specialist game lots dirt cheap and collect pretty much anything you wanted.
Well, I suppose that's one way of seeing the shiny bit of pebble buried in the mountain-sized pile of steaming horse-cack.
I can play dwarf kings hold, dreadball and now deadzone whenever I like.
Just because GW is axing all of it's specialist/ cool stuff, doesn't mean there aren't other companies releasing loads of new stuff.
Just because there are other companies releasing loads of new stuff doesn't mean I'm going to care about them. I'm invested in 40k universum, if GW won't provide me rules & models I care about, then I'm out of the universum, and out of the hobby.
That's an... interesting point of view. Do you not actually like wargaming?
I don't know why, but the arbites gang, cawdor gang, etc, all the inquisitor people, they are all on 'usually ships within 24 hrs' on the Australian GW site, so I don't know what you guys mean by 'they've disappeared'.
It really is a shame that everything seems to be going for good. There were some incredible bits scattered throughout the specialist sections and I am constantly baffled as to why they were ignored for so long. With the right kind of marketing you can sell anything. I pledged for a bunch of stuff in Mantic's Dreadball kicksarter despite not being even remotely interested in the game itself...
I can play dwarf kings hold, dreadball and now deadzone whenever I like.
Just because GW is axing all of it's specialist/ cool stuff, doesn't mean there aren't other companies releasing loads of new stuff.
Just because there are other companies releasing loads of new stuff doesn't mean I'm going to care about them. I'm invested in 40k universum, if GW won't provide me rules & models I care about, then I'm out of the universum, and out of the hobby.
That's an... interesting point of view. Do you not actually like wargaming?
Well I picked up an esher gang. The hardest gang to convert. I noticed the arbites are sold out which is ashame. I'm sure they'll start appearing on eBay in the coming months though.
Another reason I can see GW doing this is so they can release limited edition versions of the games. Like the rumoured blood bowl later this year. Maybe they will follow it up with other limited release specialist games. I'm not saying this is a good thing. But they are clearly thinking that there's no point in releasing a limited release game if you can still pick it up in the specialist game section.
I can play dwarf kings hold, dreadball and now deadzone whenever I like.
Just because GW is axing all of it's specialist/ cool stuff, doesn't mean there aren't other companies releasing loads of new stuff.
Just because there are other companies releasing loads of new stuff doesn't mean I'm going to care about them. I'm invested in 40k universum, if GW won't provide me rules & models I care about, then I'm out of the universum, and out of the hobby.
That's an... interesting point of view. Do you not actually like wargaming?
No, not really.
Thats why my friends everyone is different... I personally would find quite frustrating to be hostage of 40k in order to enjoy this hobby that is so Rich... the things I have seen and been involved in all these years of hobby are priceless to me and 40k is only one of those rewarding experiences. I kind of feel curious about my surroundings and that makes me evolve into other projects, to discard that from wargaming is like a fisherman that wants to put fish o the table but just limits itself to one specific specie of fish.
Yodhrin wrote: and even then, the FW guy I spoke to this afternoon said "best get your orders in by the end of the month"
More like end of the day. Stuff was disappearing between putting in into the cart and going through checkout (which, btw, glitches your order and bills your credit card without completing the transaction), I'd be surprised if there's anything left tomorrow.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh no, you're right, the Forgeworld stuff is deffo going the way of the dodo, once their current stock of an item sells out they're permanently delisting it(and even then, the FW guy I spoke to this afternoon said "best get your orders in by the end of the month", I assume he meant May, so they're probably just going to kill the BFG and Epic sections then either way), the staffer I was referring to in that first comment was regarding the GW metal ranges.
If it doesn't sell, you really can't expect FW (or GW for that matter) to keep it in stock.
How many people have have mentioned in this thread that they have either placed an order as a result of this news, expressed regret as they may not have the finances in time or have spoken of fond memories of one of these games?
If they didn't sell it was GW's fault and nothing else.
Yea, except for the fact that this stuff has been around for at least five years or so. Expressed regret and fond memories don't equate to cash in the till, either. As far as the anecdotal statements about people placing orders, I expect it is too little - too late. A few orders now that the news is out doesn't do anything if there was little to nothing being bought in the previous five or more years.
Krinsath wrote: Squig, get Mantic working on a BFG replacement in the WarPath universe. I know you're not affiliated with them, but Mantic does this weird thing called "listening to customers" and I'd say you're fairly well known to them.
Yes. You have to convince them, Squig. It's important.
That's an... interesting point of view. Do you not actually like wargaming?
No, not really.
Thats why my friends everyone is different... I personally would find quite frustrating to be hostage of 40k in order to enjoy this hobby that is so Rich... the things I have seen and been involved in all these years of hobby are priceless to me and 40k is only one of those rewarding experiences. I kind of feel curious about my surroundings and that makes me evolve into other projects, to discard that from wargaming is like a fisherman that wants to put fish o the table but just limits itself to one specific specie of fish.
Why it is strange? I quit MtG years ago because I hated the direction WotC was taking the game, and I didn't start another CCG even though literally dozens were available by then, some of them just as popular than MtG. In fact I didn't start any new game at all to "replace" what I had lost.
Being put into guillotine is not an opportunity to try out new fancy head.
Breotan wrote: Yea, except for the fact that this stuff has been around for at least five years or so. Expressed regret and fond memories don't equate to cash in the till, either. As far as the anecdotal statements about people placing orders, I expect it is too little - too late. A few orders now that the news is out doesn't do anything if there was little to nothing being bought in the previous five or more years.
The point is there's obviously interest in the games, and it's pretty likely that a lot of those sales are people who were pushed away by GW's lack of support and now realized that this is their last chance to get that cool game if they ever want to play it. How many of those people would have made their purchases earlier if GW hadn't done their absolute best to kill the games? Obviously thanks to GW's incompetence we'll never know, but I suspect that it isn't a trivial number.
(And yes, that's exactly why I waited until now to buy more of the FW epic stuff. I bought the books for Aeronautica Imperialis and a few models, and I loved the game. But without any support from GW or players in the area I was waiting until I could find some other people who would be interested. I would have gladly spent hundreds of dollars on overpriced little planes if the local store had hosted specialist games night and ran a weekly AI league.)
That's an... interesting point of view. Do you not actually like wargaming?
No, not really.
Thats why my friends everyone is different... I personally would find quite frustrating to be hostage of 40k in order to enjoy this hobby that is so Rich... the things I have seen and been involved in all these years of hobby are priceless to me and 40k is only one of those rewarding experiences. I kind of feel curious about my surroundings and that makes me evolve into other projects, to discard that from wargaming is like a fisherman that wants to put fish o the table but just limits itself to one specific specie of fish.
Why it is strange? I quit MtG years ago because I hated the direction WotC was taking the game, and I didn't start another CCG even though literally dozens were available by then, some of them just as popular than MtG. In fact I didn't start any new game at all to "replace" what I had lost.
Being put into guillotine is not an opportunity to try out new fancy head.
Strange? Not to me, I only mentioned it was different but it's your prerogative. You can limit or expand your scope as much as you wish, me? I personally would not be in a guillotine like you seem to be and I can assure you that I would have fish on my table regardless of type...
If sales are so important, then why GW keeps around The Hobbit which probably sells poorly even by Specialist Games standards?
Specialist Games are self-fullfilling prophecy - when you give no support & no promotion, of course you're going to end up with a twilight product sooner or later, thus justifying cutting "poorly selling" product. GW seems to assume that miniatures market is a zero-sum game: people are going to spend X amount of money to miniatures, and best way to profit from that is to offer small range of products which offer maximum profitability.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.
Companies cutting out "niche" products to "concentrate on core business" are generally dying companies.
Backfire wrote: If sales are so important, then why GW keeps around The Hobbit which probably sells poorly even by Specialist Games standards?
License obligations? Also, GW hasn't spent years marginalizing the Hobbit stuff to the point where only the most dedicated fans will notice when they get rid of it. Cancelling a "core" game is the kind of thing that makes shareholders worry
Companies cutting out "niche" products to "concentrate on core business" are generally dying companies.
I think that's exactly it. GW is in trouble, so they're doing stuff like cutting "niche" products and rushing out new codices as fast as possible in an attempt to hide the problems a bit longer. The next financial report will inevitably claim a bunch of money saved by finally shutting down the last of their obsolete metal production, and most of their shareholders won't notice anything beyond the net profit numbers.
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Compel wrote: I actually thought that was one of forge worlds big sellers, considering it seemed to constantly need its mould replaced through use.
But they probably didn't keep much stock available since it's a niche product, and people have been spending the past ~12 hours panic buying everything. In fact it's probably worst for the high-demand stuff because there are more people thinking "I'd better get another one while I still can", while stocks of some of the really niche stuff might last another day or two.
Backfire wrote: If sales are so important, then why GW keeps around The Hobbit which probably sells poorly even by Specialist Games standards?
License obligations?
Of course. But it goes on to show that it's not just about sales. GW will naturally keep on updating Hobbit until movie cycle is done, complete with 27 new Gandalf figures and 6 different Smaug models. Then they will drop it - unless Jackson starts making Silmarillion trilogy and GW has to buy the license again...
And sometimes, old product ranges might seem like a drag to company, even if they're profitable. I don't say it's comparable, but for example Microsoft hates how popular Windows XP still is, and they wish nothing more than it would go away, but the damn thing just won't die.
Backfire wrote: But it goes on to show that it's not just about sales.
Well, "we're going to get sued for breach of contract if we drop the Hobbit stuff" isn't really much better as a motivation than "cut everything that doesn't sell as well as space marines".
Compel wrote: I actually thought that was one of forge worlds big sellers, considering it seemed to constantly need its mould replaced through use.
But they probably didn't keep much stock available since it's a niche product, and people have been spending the past ~12 hours panic buying everything. In fact it's probably worst for the high-demand stuff because there are more people thinking "I'd better get another one while I still can", while stocks of some of the really niche stuff might last another day or two.
I know I went and ordered one while they were still in stock. It's the great Specialist Games Rush of 2013. I also grabbed a few orbital defense platforms, which are OOS as well now. Part of me is glad I grabbed stuff while I could, part of me feels like a complete gullible tool for giving money to GW in response to pulling this stunt.
Backfire wrote: If sales are so important, then why GW keeps around The Hobbit which probably sells poorly even by Specialist Games standards?
License obligations? Also, GW hasn't spent years marginalizing the Hobbit stuff to the point where only the most dedicated fans will notice when they get rid of it. Cancelling a "core" game is the kind of thing that makes shareholders worry
Companies cutting out "niche" products to "concentrate on core business" are generally dying companies.
I think that's exactly it. GW is in trouble, so they're doing stuff like cutting "niche" products and rushing out new codices as fast as possible in an attempt to hide the problems a bit longer. The next financial report will inevitably claim a bunch of money saved by finally shutting down the last of their obsolete metal production, and most of their shareholders won't notice anything beyond the net profit numbers.
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Compel wrote: I actually thought that was one of forge worlds big sellers, considering it seemed to constantly need its mould replaced through use.
But they probably didn't keep much stock available since it's a niche product, and people have been spending the past ~12 hours panic buying everything. In fact it's probably worst for the high-demand stuff because there are more people thinking "I'd better get another one while I still can", while stocks of some of the really niche stuff might last another day or two.
I managed to scrounge up enough cash to buy one of the last Ramilies, but I suspect a lot of the "panic buying" are people with spare money lying about who don't give a toss about the games, they're just going to ebay them for quadruple the price in a month or so. Of course now I'm going to end up getting gouged by those same folks when I need to buy the GW part of my Imperial fleet, since I doubt I'll be able to come up with more hobby money before most of the more interesting metal ships are gone.
Compel wrote: I actually thought that was one of forge worlds big sellers, considering it seemed to constantly need its mould replaced through use.
But they probably didn't keep much stock available since it's a niche product, and people have been spending the past ~12 hours panic buying everything. In fact it's probably worst for the high-demand stuff because there are more people thinking "I'd better get another one while I still can", while stocks of some of the really niche stuff might last another day or two.
I know I went and ordered one while they were still in stock. It's the great Specialist Games Rush of 2013. I also grabbed a few orbital defense platforms, which are OOS as well now. Part of me is glad I grabbed stuff while I could, part of me feels like a complete gullible tool for giving money to GW in response to pulling this stunt.
I started putting together a cart to buy up, saw the Thunderhawk was gone and the Vampire Raider only had 1 left (tried to add 2 to cart and couldn't). At that point I said to myself "feck it, I can't be bothered with this" and just closed the window (didn't help I was at work when I first read about it and have $20k tied up in buying a car). Now I have the AI rules and 8 fighters, 4 from 2 different factions that I bought a couple of months ago... awesome... thanks GW/FW.
It's sad because this is true. They already have what? 9/10 sculpts for the guy?
The Hobbit stuff does seem to be lacking. It seems like they did a test run to see if it would be successful, were surprised when the horrific prices scared everyone off and then pretty much gave up on it.
Backfire wrote: If sales are so important, then why GW keeps around The Hobbit which probably sells poorly even by Specialist Games standards?
License obligations?
Of course. But it goes on to show that it's not just about sales. GW will naturally keep on updating Hobbit until movie cycle is done, complete with 27 new Gandalf figures and 6 different Smaug models. Then they will drop it - unless Jackson starts making Silmarillion trilogy and GW has to buy the license again...
And sometimes, old product ranges might seem like a drag to company, even if they're profitable. I don't say it's comparable, but for example Microsoft hates how popular Windows XP still is, and they wish nothing more than it would go away, but the damn thing just won't die.
Actually, Win7 happened and people started to switch. Now MS is all 'Look at Win8! It's just like iOS and Android! It'll rawk yo!'. And everyone points out that they just spent a year or more eval'ing Win7 for their infrastructure and won't change. 7 is the new XP.
After kicking myself for not buying Arbites earlier seeing this thread about Specialist Games, I decided to check some of the collectors under WHFB and some of them are "no longer available" as well like certain DoW stuff. I made an order a month ago to begin filling some voids in my Tileans, and I didn't notice them then as NLA for the US store during that time.
Don't know if this is just a fluke, coinciding with SG going away or just the final nail is finally coming down to a slow and painful death over the last decade, but I am not taking a chance. My savings just went on life support.
While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
it will be limited release and will probably befall the same fate as dreadfleet
people won't buy it because it will have no support, models that are only useful for that game, and little replay value
oh- and it will be too expensive
Rainbow Dash wrote: it will be limited release and will probably befall the same fate as dreadfleet
people won't buy it because it will have no support, models that are only useful for that game, and little replay value
oh- and it will be too expensive
1) Support may be the only downside.
2) Models will be usefull for other systems, that would not be an issue for many of these games. Look at Space Hulk and how many of these models ended up in Blood Angel armies and Tyranid armies. The only games that I think wouldn't be usable in other armies is Blood Bowl.
3) Replay value: I've never played Dreadfleet so I don't know what it was like. But many of these games came out in boxed format and have plenty of replay value. Gorkamorka, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Mordheim...they all have plenty of replay value. That's like saying that D&D doesn't have replay value.
4) Price: GW's gonna GW...
ClassicCarraway wrote: While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
Sorry, no, I bought my AI stuff less than a couple of months ago and I would have bought full squadrons before the year was out, the only reason I hadn't bought everything for full squadrons was...
1) I wanted to try the rules before spending $400 on models (I spent $150 as it was).
2) I'm currently living away from home so it's inconvenient to buy a large set of minis.
3) I wanted to sort out which models to buy (seeing as they're so damned expensive).
4) I wanted to split my purchases over a few sales, coz, ya know, so damned expensive.
5) I've been saving money to buy a car (which doesn't mean I can't buy anything, I just haven't wanted to drop large sums of money in one hit)..
If FW had of sent a newsletter saying "sorry guys, we aren't going to be able to keep manufacturing these models and will be discontinuing them in a month", yes, I would have filled out my squadrons before they cut them. Instead I have to read it on a forum and by the time I check it out, a quarter of the models I wanted are gone and a few hours later when I get home from work, two thirds of the models I wanted are gone.
judgedoug wrote: The only non-overpriced Specialist thing was the 12 Mordheim Villagers for $40, which I nabbed immediately. $3-something per metal model is less than most other companies now. Really sad about this, but it finally gave me the impetus to grab the redesigned Epic Eldar Revenant Titans i've been wanting, plus the aforementioned Mordheim Villagers, plus the Drunk Dwarfs and a few other odds and ends.
Had been looking at Schaffer's Last Chancers (which are even cheaper than the villagers - $35 for 12 figs - under $3 a fig!) and decided I better order them along with a couple of Mechanicus BFG ships. I suspect that the WFB and 40K Collectors pages are not long for this world.
Hulksmash wrote: So I lied. I did grab a few of the Mechanicus ships because I think finding them on ebay in the future would suck if I even decided I wanted them.
I did the same. I hesitated on them for a number of years and have already lost out on the chance for AM Light Cruisers, so I bit the bullet and just picked up a bunch. The AdMech ships are NEVER on eBay.
Even if I never play BFG again, I've wanted them for display. If they're still around by the middle of the month, may grab some more Cruisers just to bulk it out. Probably going to magnetize mine just for options.
Rainbow Dash wrote: it will be limited release and will probably befall the same fate as dreadfleet
people won't buy it because it will have no support, models that are only useful for that game, and little replay value
oh- and it will be too expensive
I will lol when GW starts to take and destroy remaining games then, as was the case with Dreadfleet.
Well I had planned on having some spending money for foam sometime in the next few months but there goes that idea.
I just purchased
SPACE MARINE HUNTER CLASS DESTROYERS
SPACE MARINE GLADIUS CLASS FRIGATES
AERONAUTICA IMPERIALIS LIGHTNING STRIKE FIGHTERS
AERONAUTICA IMPERIALIS AND TACTICA AERONAUTICA
Battlefleet Gothic: Apocalypse Class Imperial Battleship
Battlefleet Gothic: Adeptus Mechanicus Battleship
Battlefleet Gothic: Adeptus Mechanicus Cruiser
Battlefleet Gothic: Space Marine Battle Barge
Blood Bowl: Star Player Griff Oberwald (Blood Bowl XXVII)
Inquisitor: Navis Nobilitai
Luckily I picked up a few inquisitor models and BFG ships at adepticon. Although I'm kicking myself for passing on an aeronautica lot that was there.
It's sad because this is true. They already have what? 9/10 sculpts for the guy?
The Hobbit stuff does seem to be lacking. It seems like they did a test run to see if it would be successful, were surprised when the horrific prices scared everyone off and then pretty much gave up on it.
I have my own theory in regards to "The Hobbit" film (aside from the pants on head incompetent pricing structure) and it comes down to the idea that "The Hobbit" just didn't have enough battle to really make people get interested in a battle game.
You had the prologue and a few flashback sequences, but for the most part "The Hobbit" film was a character development piece rather than an epic swords and sorcery clash. That part will come with "The Desolation of Smaug" and the "Battle of the Five Armies"(whatever PJ decides to call it).
As I said, it's just a theory...but it does make a kind of sense. The Lord of the Rings trilogy each had a few epic battle scenes. The Hobbit has not had those just yet. It's hard to get inspired for big army battles when all you've seen are some people wandering aimlessly and fighting whatever happens to get in the way, before running away some more.
Kanluwen wrote: It's hard to get inspired for big army battles when all you've seen are some people wandering aimlessly and fighting whatever happens to get in the way, before running away some more.
I'm sure that didn't help GW, but I suspect the bigger factor is that the movie didn't inspire anything. People saw it, maybe enjoyed the evening, and then got on with their lives while the movie was quickly forgotten. It didn't have the same kind of lasting impact that the LOTR movies did, and that's really bad when you're depending on people spending hundreds of dollars (and going far out of their way to even find anything) on licensed products because they loved the movie so much.
Fair enough. I guess I just assume most other wargamers I meet/interact with do. I love gaming, and the death of one system is sad, but at the end of the day there are plenty of other games to partake in.
Back on topic:
I blinked myself and pulled the trigger on another blister of Lightnings when I saw FW only had one left.... leaves me with an annoying 4 in a game where squadrons are usually in 3s, but I guess I'll live with it.
ClassicCarraway wrote: While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get.
I can't agree with that sentiment. On a personal note, I was definitely considering buying BFG, but I didn't want to buy into anything until I was aware of my permanent residence (because one of the two places that I was considering at the time did consider BFG viable, while the other didn't).
Now, granted, I'm not aware of my permanent residence, and won't be until the end of the summer, if at all, but now I won't have to worry about spending any money on GW products. So at the very least, I must thank GW for saving me a lot of money.
Well, let's see. I can turn to Judge Dredd for Necromunda, Firestorm Armada for BFG, DZC for epic and i'm sure there's a Mordhiem type game out there too. Grats GW for stepping out of the market. Maybe just stop making 40k and Fantasy so that you have nobody to compete with any of your products.
Most likely trying to clear slow moving stock off their balance sheet before the end of their financial year. All the moves this calendar year seems to show they are trying to pump up q4 to make up short falling in the previous three quarters.
Graphite wrote: But if they discontinue Necromunda, what will John Blanche use as the base for his horrible and pointless conversions in white dwarf?
Horrible and pointless? They are the most interesting part of WD and INQ 28 is hardly pointless.
Horses for courses. I personally don't like John Blanche's art particularly and am beginning to get tired of seeing the same Nurgle Warrior model painted in a different shade of rusty orange again and again.
Graphite wrote: But if they discontinue Necromunda, what will John Blanche use as the base for his horrible and pointless conversions in white dwarf?
Horrible and pointless? They are the most interesting part of WD and INQ 28 is hardly pointless.
Horses for courses. I personally don't like John Blanche's art particularly and am beginning to get tired of seeing the same Nurgle Warrior model painted in a different shade of rusty orange again and again.
It can get samey, but I prefer seeing different and homepainted minis over the "official" armies and minis normally displayed in WD pages.
Well I picked up some pieces of Blood Bowl on ebay, before prices start to go through the roof. Still no guarantee that this rumored Blood Bowl box will turn up or what it will contain, so couldn't risk waiting.
Want to teach the eldest lad how to play this summer, and I only have a Dwarf and Goblin team which is hardly balanced for learning as a new player. So got some Humans and Orcs inbound.
At least Blood Bowl has a lot of 3rd party support, I can see GW teams getting rarer as years go by, but there are a few companies now putting out proxies and they're not ashamed to make the specific positions either (rather than generic FF figures).
Think I'll hold off selling my Undead & High Elf teams for a year or two now.
ClassicCarraway wrote: While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
I finished a Mordheim campaign with twenty participants last month. I'm currently building multiple Inquisitor warbands in 28mm simultaneously. I've been slowly buying BFG ships whenever I had spare money for the last year. For a lot of people, the Specialist Games are an active and thoroughly enjoyed part of our hobby.
ClassicCarraway wrote: While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
I'm a regular player of Specialist Games. I'm currently in the middle of a large campaign that ties in BFG, AI, Epic and 40k. Luckily I recently got the last of my Ad Mech and Chaos ships and have oodles of Epic, but I was planning another round of AI and BFG purchases in the coming months. No chance now...
I play Epic reasonably regularly. GW selling figures or not has made no difference to my ability to interest people in the game or not - no-one bought anything from them anyway, we all used re-sellers or second hand.
ClassicCarraway wrote: While its sad to see some classic lines get put to rest (or out of their misery), I have to laugh at all the "sentimentality" being displayed. It's always, "Oh, I was planning on getting models XYZ sometime in the near future, DAMN YOU GW!!!!", knowing full well that you never had any intention of buying that Necromunda gang or BFG fleet that you were "waiting for the right moment" to get. When was the last time anybody actually played Epic or Mordheim?
On another note, I wonder if this has any impact to the rumored release of a new version of Bloodbowl? Bloodbowl was consider a part of Specialist Games after all.
Our gaming group plays the games in the specialist games range considerably more often than WHFB and 40K.
Although truth be told with GW pricing, we already moved on to mostly third party miniatures for these games.
Graphite wrote: But if they discontinue Necromunda, what will John Blanche use as the base for his horrible and pointless conversions in white dwarf?
Horrible and pointless? They are the most interesting part of WD and INQ 28 is hardly pointless.
Horses for courses. I personally don't like John Blanche's art particularly and am beginning to get tired of seeing the same Nurgle Warrior model painted in a different shade of rusty orange again and again.
It can get samey, but I prefer seeing different and homepainted minis over the "official" armies and minis normally displayed in WD pages.
I like that JBs models exist. I like that they have a section in White Dwarf. Many of them are horrible, sometimes intentionally, sometimes due to his sytem of holding a model against a brick wall and throwing paint at it to see what sticks. But in the current context, they have NO POINT. They're not for 40k, that's for sure, and GW haven't acknowledged the existance of any specialist game for years.
The whole thing looks like a bit of a vanity project, which is a shame as it really is often the nicest bit of the current version of WD. I do sometimes wonder how much each of the models would actually cost if you were to try to build it yourself...
The John Blanche miniatures raise a very good point. Hopefully the popularity of this column could see GW get their arse in gear and produce a warband scale book for 40k. Take Kill Teams simplicity and cross it with some of the aspects from Necromunda and Inquisitor. Specialist Deathwatch scenarios, Space Hulk boarding actions, Cult exterminations... anything!
Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
Only after the last store has been closed,
Only after the last sculptor has been fired,
Only after the last customer has been outpriced,
Only after the last fan has been sued,
Only after the last miniature has been discontinued,
Only then will Tom Kirby find that you can't get dividends from nothing.
Yeah, I had on the Ramilies but FW being so annoying to order from I hadn't gotten around to it. That's another one I'm sad about. Maybe recasters will start working on that one like they have the Imperator Titan from epic.
Medium of Death wrote: The John Blanche miniatures raise a very good point. Hopefully the popularity of this column could see GW get their arse in gear and produce a warband scale book for 40k. Take Kill Teams simplicity and cross it with some of the aspects from Necromunda and Inquisitor. Specialist Deathwatch scenarios, Space Hulk boarding actions, Cult exterminations... anything!
It would be nice, but you're probably better off writing your own or adapting another rules system for it. GW are only interested in the bigger, better, more stuff on the table, "cinematic" games.
Yeah, I had on the Ramilies but FW being so annoying to order from I hadn't gotten around to it. That's another one I'm sad about. Maybe recasters will start working on that one like they have the Imperator Titan from epic.
I'm thinking we'll see a horrific explosion in price on ebay, this will attract the recasters, then they will (hopefully) glut the market and the price will return to a more level setting.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I hope any recasters watching this unfold will take up the miniatures and carry them on.
Ravenous D wrote: And GW will sue recasters for making models they don't produce. Everybody wins!
The recasters that sell on eBay tend to be Russian or Chinese. At the very most, GW will be able to force them to start selling with a new eBay account.
And in the time I spent posting that, two other people said the same exact thing. I think there may be a consensus on this one.
This is sad news, but I suspect most people who play these games are used to having to pick up non GW models for a lot of the range. I recently did a blogpost with some alternative minis for Inquisimunda or Necromunda
I think there is a slowly building movement of people that are working to leave GW behind, creating their own rulesets and alternative models, hopefully this will speed up the process and we will have some truely independent games that keep the original spirit of the 90's.
They could have given us a couple of months warning though... If they had any means left to open communications with their customers...
GW doesn't even need to be able to communicate *with* them, just *to* them, which they still can. GW has simply chosen to not bother, because, I don't know, money is dumb?
They.... are....... seriously....... DOING THIS TO US!!!
WTF is wrong with GW, first they try to make us pay more for crappy cartoony sculpts then they get rid of the cool stuff we like but they dont.
this calls for an emergency panic buying spree-i still have to finish my early imperial/Chaos fleet and my IG Epic with Titan support and my Adeptus Titanicus force and..........
I'm hopeful we'll see some "August/September" Space Hulk releases in the coming years. Like a BFG boxed set with the rules, counters, and Imperial and Chaos or Imperial and Eldar ships.
GBL wrote: Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
Please tell me you know how to read a financial statement before you posted this drivel?
You might want to look at their financial statements and then you'd realise they actually make a NPAT (granted, I didn't check their notes so this is hearsay until we determine why) in the Australian market for their retail sector for the first time I've ever seen from them in 2012.
GBL wrote: Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
Please tell me you know how to read a financial statement before you posted this drivel?
You might want to look at their financial statements and then you'd realise they actually make a NPAT (granted, I didn't check their notes so this is hearsay until we determine why) in the Australian market for their retail sector for the first time I've ever seen from them in 2012.
I'm not sure if you are trying to confirm or deny that GW have a flawed business plan.
I think he's trying to say that GW is turning a profit (despite almost no growth in revenue). Probably due to price rises and the reducing of hobby centers.
Yeah, I'm not really sure how "They finally turned a profit for a year!" translates to "they have a good business plan", hence why I'm confused. They are, after all, a market leader and have been since the early to mid 90s or longer in Australia. Not being able to turn a profit despite being a market leader doesn't scream "business prowess" to me.
WTF is wrong with GW, first they try to make us pay more for crappy cartoony sculpts then they get rid of the cool stuff we like but they dont.
this calls for an emergency panic buying spree-i still have to finish my early imperial/Chaos fleet and my IG Epic with Titan support and my Adeptus Titanicus force and..........
Why GW, why
You don't approve of GW's actions, so you're going to give them lots of money?
They could have given us a couple of months warning though... If they had any means left to open communications with their customers...
This.
I have not jumped to specialist section early enough. I was planning to complete my Epic scale Imperial Guard with some Valkyries. Gone they are, on GW or FW.
This gets me mad.
WTF is wrong with GW, first they try to make us pay more for crappy cartoony sculpts then they get rid of the cool stuff we like but they dont.
this calls for an emergency panic buying spree-i still have to finish my early imperial/Chaos fleet and my IG Epic with Titan support and my Adeptus Titanicus force and..........
Why GW, why
You don't approve of GW's actions, so you're going to give them lots of money?
This is why people end up hating GW. Instead of trying to maintain customers by making them happy, they do something like this and gamers have to go "oh crap, I need to buy a ton of stuff to complete my collection before they disappear" because they already have money invested and then end up angry at GW and possibly leaving them after that. It's a great business plan to prop up sales temporarily and destroy them in the long term.
They could have given us a couple of months warning though... If they had any means left to open communications with their customers...
This.
I have not jumped to specialist section early enough. I was planning to complete my Epic scale Imperial Guard with some Valkyries. Gone they are, on GW or FW.
This gets me mad.
Yes, the Valkyries and Aquilas were pulled from the site before I first read this thread and had a chance to check their site.
They COULD have given warning and taken the opportunity to make some extra cash while people fill out their collections in less time than they had planned, instead they just stop production, make a quick buck and piss off consumers.
There is some hope for the Admech Light Cruiser, Chaos Battleships, Chaos Grandcruiser, and Rogue Trader Cruiser as they haven't been removed from the website even being out of stock. A lot of the other out of stock items have been removed from the sight completely.
Well, I've just gone for a Haven Spire and some Eldar transports - stuff that will be hard to get hold of in future. The rest will have to wait till the end of the month if there are any left...
Hulksmash wrote: There is some hope for the Admech Light Cruiser, Chaos Battleships, Chaos Grandcruiser, and Rogue Trader Cruiser as they haven't been removed from the website even being out of stock. A lot of the other out of stock items have been removed from the sight completely.
We'll see....
They just haven't got around to it, so don't keep your hopes up. AdMech light cruiser's still available on European website btw.
I'd have really needed a Repulsive for my Reserve fleet, but damn. Oh well, I bought some other stuff.
I have worked for GW in the past, have an accounting degree,and have run one of their hobby stores, and still could not give you an idea of a cohesive business plan coming from out of Memphis or the UK. I for one think the specialist games were a good idea and not following up on them was a poor plan (still like my Dreadfleet) but GW will do as they always have and muddle along. I don't look at anything I buy as suporting them because if I want something I"ll acquire it otherwise it can sit on the shelf.
GBL wrote: Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
Please tell me you know how to read a financial statement before you posted this drivel?
You might want to look at their financial statements and then you'd realise they actually make a NPAT (granted, I didn't check their notes so this is hearsay until we determine why) in the Australian market for their retail sector for the first time I've ever seen from them in 2012.
You are aware that GW's growth has been flat in an expanding market for a number of years? Regardless of their profits, they are seriously under performing in the context of a wider market, in spite of consistent price rises, which means they are almost certainly heading for a fall, as regardless of how inelastic they may consider their pricing, there will come a day when the prices exceed what the majority is able or willing to pay for the product they offer. If they continue to repeat their behaviour, this is simply an inevitability.
Besides that, how is your point relating to Aus profits even vaguely related to a post decrying GW for phasing out specialist games?
It IS a stupid idea. They've criminally neglected them all for years, driven them into the ground and subsequently got rid of them. All this in spite of the fact that they are blatantly held in high esteem by vet gamers, and would make an ideal gateway product into their larger cash cows which have a high barrier to entry in terms of cost, something which I've seen a number of posters here cite as the reason they have adopted another game (usually Warmachine) instead.
The decision to discontinue a range of products that are languishing in the doldrums is understandable, the reasons they've ended up there are unforgivable.
Regardless of profits, I sincerely believe that the company could and should be making a lot more money than it is, and the state of specialist games is a microcosm of all that is wrong with them and why they aren't.
I have here in my possession a White Dwarf 214, where they are advertising positions for 'Picker Trolls', and I quote:
"Older games and models never get deleted as far as we are concerned they just become part of our back catalogue range, we now have over 30,000 models and components."
This is an October (or Orktober, for those in the know) 1997 issue of WD. While I'm obviously not claiming that GW is obligated to fulfill a statement from a 10+ yr old magazine, this WAS, in fact, their actual business philosophy. Before the advent of modern inventory systems, before the development of RFID tags, before any of the advances that streamlined and economized inventory management, GW had people who went around and looked in bins for the right part. This was an important part of their company identity.
Given that handling inventory now would be substantially cheaper and easier than in 1997, and given that GW could just pass the price onto the customer, why NOT keep stuff forever. Maybe the single Mordian with Meltagun you want is priced at $15, because it's not economical for them to cast it at $10. Maybe it's $20, maybe $30. However, it could be an option, priced at what the market demanded.
GW is sadly becoming an actual "collectible miniatures' company, as in, they release a model, and if you don't buy it, you don't have any other chance to get it later. Heck, they might as well go to randomized blind boxes. Being able to discover old miniatures, and being able to 'enter the hobby' at any time, were an important thing to GW at one point. I didn't even know about Warhammer 40K when the Praetorians were produced, but when I discovered them in an old WD in a bargain bin, I was able to start collecting them, directly from GW. Now, if you discover something cool that predates your discovery, you get two options. Forget about it (no business for GW) or buy on the secondary market (no business for GW).
Now, old molds do deteriorate, and it may not be economical to replace them or repair them. However, rather than abandoning them, GW could take those old models, a 3d scanner, a 3-D printer, and offer them as 'print on demand' models. Heck, they could adopt a Kickstarter model internally and allow people to commit to a press run of an old model, where if enough people will pledge $ for, say, Mordians, then GW will do a run of Mordian guard. There's just so much that they could do other than allowing old, classic models to die without even an acknowledgement.
How much would it have cost GW to post a notice on their OWN website about a limited opportunity to get these models? They are selling $40 t-shirts with a one week collection window, but they can't be arsed to announce discontinuing Epic? The actions they are taking aren't as sad as the fact that they just don't even seem to care.
I wait for the day where GW destroys any surviving specialist games products they can get ahold of ala Dreadfleet.
People saying GW is doing great because it "turned a profit" are seeing the trees instead of the forest. You have to be truly blind or willingly ignorant to not see the disaster they're setting themselves up for.
WTF is wrong with GW, first they try to make us pay more for crappy cartoony sculpts then they get rid of the cool stuff we like but they dont.
this calls for an emergency panic buying spree-i still have to finish my early imperial/Chaos fleet and my IG Epic with Titan support and my Adeptus Titanicus force and..........
Why GW, why
You don't approve of GW's actions, so you're going to give them lots of money?
If your choices are;
A. Swallow the horrible bitter lump of bile in your throat and hand GW some cash.
B: Wait a while and end up having to pay four+ times more money to opportunistic resellers on ebay.
C: Never complete the forces you've already spent significant amounts of time and money on and were looking forward to using.
Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm finding just a bit of hope that Necromunda is going away right as Shadowrun "Sprawl Gangers" is coming out.
Mantic fans seem to be heralding "Deadzone" as a successor to necromunda. I'm buying into Deadzone, and am doing so happily. However, with it being grid based and not campaign-focused, I think that Sprawl Gangers (which campaign focused and the designers mention Necro several times) has much more chance of being a Necro replacement.
People saying GW is doing great because it "turned a profit" are seeing the trees instead of the forest. You have to be truly blind or willingly ignorant to not see the disaster they're setting themselves up for.
This is a decent enough analogy on how they are turning a profit.
Elemental wrote: You don't approve of GW's actions, so you're going to give them lots of money?
If your choices are;
A. Swallow the horrible bitter lump of bile in your throat and hand GW some cash.
B: Wait a while and end up having to pay four+ times more money to opportunistic resellers on ebay.
C: Never complete the forces you've already spent significant amounts of time and money on and were looking forward to using.
Yeah, A is still the least-worst option.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything. GW doesn't notice this thread and your complaints about them, they only notice if you're still handing over your cash or not. If you are, you can't really complain when they continue this behaviour.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
Elemental wrote: You don't approve of GW's actions, so you're going to give them lots of money?
If your choices are;
A. Swallow the horrible bitter lump of bile in your throat and hand GW some cash.
B: Wait a while and end up having to pay four+ times more money to opportunistic resellers on ebay.
C: Never complete the forces you've already spent significant amounts of time and money on and were looking forward to using.
Yeah, A is still the least-worst option.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything. GW doesn't notice this thread and your complaints about them, they only notice if you're still handing over your cash or not. If you are, you can't really complain when they continue this behaviour.
Eilif wrote: Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm finding just a bit of hope that Necromunda is going away right as Shadowrun "Sprawl Gangers" is coming out.
Mantic fans seem to be heralding "Deadzone" as a successor to necromunda. I'm buying into Deadzone, and am doing so happily. However, with it being grid based and not campaign-focused, I think that Sprawl Gangers (which campaign focused and the designers mention Necro several times) has much more chance of being a Necro replacement.
Eilif wrote: Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm finding just a bit of hope that Necromunda is going away right as Shadowrun "Sprawl Gangers" is coming out.
Mantic fans seem to be heralding "Deadzone" as a successor to necromunda. I'm buying into Deadzone, and am doing so happily. However, with it being grid based and not campaign-focused, I think that Sprawl Gangers (which campaign focused and the designers mention Necro several times) has much more chance of being a Necro replacement.
Definitely interested in Sprawl Gangers too. Love the Shadowrun setting.
~Eric
Thanks for the link it's a nice view of the author's reasoning.
You have a reasonable position, but for my self -and I suspect many other gamers- the limitations of a grid and it's effect on terrain (especially homemade) mean that Deadzone may be a great game, but it won't be a replacement for Necro.
Also, where's the info on a deadzone campaign system? The only comment on this I've heard so far is that the author's weren't intending to include scenarios beyond a learn-to-play intros. Scenarios are a vital part of a campaign system and were/are one of the great things about Necromunda.
I'd love to be wrong about this, so hopefully there will be some evidence to the contrary.
As for Shadowrun Sprawl Gangers, depending on the flexibility of the force lists and whether there is a unit creation mechanic, I'm thinking that there may be some opportunities for Deadzone figs to crossover and visa/versa.
I've also got Ghosts of Heife (not-blade-runner-gang-combat) coming from the just completed KS. It has a unit creation mechanic, so there may be crossover possibilities there also.
puma713 wrote: Ah good. This means they can focus more on the Hobbit and LoTR. . .
Yeah, funny thing, I realized that exact same thing happened with Google: they removed cache option from their searches on the grounds that "most users were not using them, so it was better for us to streamline our services". Unfortunately, convenient cache was the main reason for me to use Google, so bye bye Google!
Eilif wrote: Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm finding just a bit of hope that Necromunda is going away right as Shadowrun "Sprawl Gangers" is coming out.
Mantic fans seem to be heralding "Deadzone" as a successor to necromunda. I'm buying into Deadzone, and am doing so happily. However, with it being grid based and not campaign-focused, I think that Sprawl Gangers (which campaign focused and the designers mention Necro several times) has much more chance of being a Necro replacement.
Definitely interested in Sprawl Gangers too. Love the Shadowrun setting.
~Eric
Thanks for the link it's a nice view of the author's reasoning.
You have a reasonable position, but for my self -and I suspect many other gamers- the limitations of a grid and it's effect on terrain (especially homemade) mean that Deadzone may be a great game, but it won't be a replacement for Necro.
Also, where's the info on a deadzone campaign system? The only comment on this I've heard so far is that the author's weren't intending to include scenarios beyond a learn-to-play intros. Scenarios are a vital part of a campaign system and were/are one of the great things about Necromunda.
I'd love to be wrong about this, so hopefully there will be some evidence to the contrary.
As for Shadowrun Sprawl Gangers, depending on the flexibility of the force lists and whether there is a unit creation mechanic, I'm thinking that there may be some opportunities for Deadzone figs to crossover and visa/versa.
I've also got Ghosts of Heife (not-blade-runner-gang-combat) coming from the just completed KS. It has a unit creation mechanic, so there may be crossover possibilities there also.
They haven't posted hard info on the campaign system yet but have said more than once it will be there.
I also have Ghosts of Hefei (love Goalsystem rules). Good choice.
From the email I got today about packing my order. There were a few items on my order that were on this list. Most annoying is the Reaver which was available when I put in the order and now is showing obsolete....
Epic: Eldar Court Of The Young King OBSOLETE Epic: Imperial Thunderbolt Fighters OBSOLETE Battlefleet Gothic: Eldar Shadow Cruiser OBSOLETE Battlefleet Gothic: Orca Class Escorts OBSOLETE Warmaster: Lizardmen Kroxigor OBSOLETE Epic: Imperial Reaver Titan OBSOLETE
As a fellow space-dwarf, I have to say I'm extremely excited about what Deadzone is going to turn out like..
I can still remember the buzz actually when Necromunda was first released, and everyone was playing it - and some of the mental campaigns that GW used to run in their stores (still remember my poor Goliath leader who was blinded in both eyes ).
If Deadzone makes even half of that it will be something special. Perhaps its good in a way that a new company is coming along that is being pro-active in terms of the games it puts out and supporting them, as GW used to be once upon a time.
Oh god damn sonofa....one day, I only needed one ruddy day to buy the AdMech light cruiser, and it's bloody gone. And there's little hope of even seeing it show up from the recasting brigade on ebay considering how infrequently it seems to sell
Unlike a lot of the stuff they aren't showing it as unavailable. They are showing it as 3-4 weeks to restock on the US site so you might still be able to grab one.
Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.
Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.
Hulksmash wrote: Unlike a lot of the stuff they aren't showing it as unavailable. They are showing it as 3-4 weeks to restock on the US site so you might still be able to grab one.
Nah, it's been listed as "ships within 24 hours" on the GW site until about two hours ago, when it switched to "no longer available" - none left in the UK
Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.
Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?
I don't think either of those recommendations would be out of line HBMC. It's not unreasonable to suggest games that are similar to what you like, especially if said games are or will soon be hard to get.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.
They don't really have that 40k aesthetic, though. They'll be a cool alternative for the people who can't get a hold of the BFG stuff, though.
Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.
Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?
I don't think either of those recommendations would be out of line HBMC. It's not unreasonable to suggest games that are similar to what you like, especially if said games are or will soon be hard to get.
Not sure what you are driving at here...
~Eric
I think he's driving at the fact that, even if you have an alternative game to Necromunda and its models, it's not Necromunda. Most people want Necromunda, not an alternative. Deadzone looks cool, but it will never have the rich back story, amazing fictional setting, and charm of Necromunda; at least in my opinion.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.
Yes. The ships look terrible in my opinion (and in both scale and visuals, uncompatible with BFG ships), the background does not interest me, and the game itself hasn't really got good reviews.
Had a look at Deadzone earlier, like a lot of Mantics other offerings, not really interested. They need a few more years on their model design before I'd be willing to spend my money on them. When compared to some of the work other small companies have been doing, it just doesn't grab my attention.
Picked up the re-releases of Griff and Zug earlier as I'd been meaning to get them for a while. Also got the Cadian metal Standard/medic and the Colonel just in case he went at some point.
I thought it'd be perfectly obvious when I said that some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Sometimes the universe the game is set in and the game itself are what people like. Just saying “Play X because it’s like Y” isn’t good enough because some people really like Y and don’t like X. Liking one specific skirmish game doesn’t mean someone will automatically like any other.
If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).
Someone above says get Firestorm Armada ships for BFG. Why? They look nothing like BFG ships. The aesthetic is completely different. How is it a substitute or a replacement?
I’m not saying that a person couldn’t or shouldn’t like a different game – as I said in my chocolate example they may even like the other thing – but one is not automatically a replacement for the other because they share similar attributes.
Can I play a Delaque gang in Deadzone? No. No interest. Can I play my Tyranids in War Machine? No. No interest. Can I use my Draconis Combat guys in Heavy Gear? No. No interest.
I like the things I like because I like what they are, not because they tick a few boxes in a broad criteria that can easily be replaced by something different.
I thought it'd be perfectly obvious when I said that some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Sometimes the universe the game is set in and the game itself are what people like. Just saying “Play X because it’s like Y” isn’t good enough because some people really like Y and don’t like X. Liking one specific skirmish game doesn’t mean someone will automatically like any other.
Aye, setting is paramount for me also, if I think a background is sloppy, or the range is uninspiring compared to those I'm already playing or have done, I'm not going to get involved in the game no matter how much some other folks might like it. That's not really directed at anyone or setting btw, just a general ethos I adhere to when it comes to wargaming.
If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).
As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.
I am in the same boat, I LOVE the warhammer universe and I could just not bring myself to play any other tabletop game, for some reason they all seem incredibly boring to me (warmachine etc) and yet I am addicted to warhammer. It is the universe which makes the game special imo.
If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).
As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.
He has a completely valid point, though. The two are very different games, so offering one as an equal alternative to the other is a tad silly. The same can be said for Necromunda and Dead Zone.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.
Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.
If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).
As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.
He has a completely valid point, though. The two are very different games, so offering one as an equal alternative to the other is a tad silly. The same can be said for Necromunda and Dead Zone.
Hey, if you read my posts, I'm in complete agreement with him. Not all of us are 'wargamers', some of us are just gamers who happen to like one or two specific wargames. If those games are discontinued or changed to unrecognizable, we won't go to greener pastures.
I also didn't move to any other trading card game after I quit Magic, so I'm not a card gamer either. OTOH, I have tried out (and likely will) number of different RPG systems since I stopped playing D&D, so I guess I'm a roleplayer, however...
I've seen some of those efforts and they look promising, true. Not that much available just yet, however.
Yeah, I'm starting work on a battleship design for mang. I'm really not too sure where I want to take it. Something big and impressive, but that screams '40k' while being un40k enough. If you follow.
Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.
Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/
My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.
Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.
Wait, are you saying mangozac is going to be producing an actual range of minis rather than just doing those incredible commission jobs?
I’m not saying that a person couldn’t or shouldn’t like a different game – as I said in my chocolate example they may even like the other thing – but one is not automatically a replacement for the other because they share similar attributes.
Fair enough, but the other thing might be a good replacement. Which you would possibly never know about had someone not suggested it. I never suggested that Deadzone would be an auto replacement for Necromunda. I said it would likely be a replacement for me, though, and suggested others might feel the same.
Also, since GW still has a ton of models available, and gamers have collections already built, aesthetics is one of the easiest things to substitute for. One could easily use a Delaque gang in Deadzone and play it as one of the existing factions. Not that doing so automatically scratches the itch for Necromunda either, but it's an option.
I just don't think it is that big a deal that someone suggested alternatives. If you say no thanks and they keep at you about it that is another issue altogether.
I like the things I like because I like what they are, not because they tick a few boxes in a broad criteria that can easily be replaced by something different.
I don't think the post prior to your own warranted that kind of response... ? Which, very nearly prompted me to post a picture of a pram with discarded toys around it, no doubt followed by a telling-off by a mod in the process
It was a suggestion, . of course Deadzone isn't Necromunda. But, it shares enough similarities to make it suggestible as a replacement, especially now that Necromunda looks like it is going to be confined to the annals of gaming history..
Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites.
Three FWBFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.
Wait, are you saying mangozac is going to be producing an actual range of minis rather than just doing those incredible commission jobs?
If so, shut up and take my money.
He's considering it. I'm considering helping if possible. But non of this is set in stone yet. We're both sort of fumbling around here. If we go for it, I'm setting up Dark Reign's old store with new stuff, including his minis. I'm also thinking about contracting some of the guys that worked on FFG's books to do some 'non-40k' dark futureish art prints. ATM everything is suddenly in flux because of this.
Pacific, such a picture would have been off-topic at best, and a non sequitur at worst. Several other posters, including the person I was replying to, understood what I meant. I'm sure you can do the same.
Kroothawk wrote: Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites. Three FWBFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.
All it took for GW to sell mass amounts of Specialist Games stuff was to stop making it. Imagine how much more they could've sold if they'd promoted it instead.
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BaronIveagh wrote: He's considering it. I'm considering helping if possible. But non of this is set in stone yet. We're both sort of fumbling around here. If we go for it, I'm setting up Dark Reign's old store with new stuff, including his minis. I'm also thinking about contracting some of the guys that worked on FFG's books to do some 'non-40k' dark futureish art prints. ATM everything is suddenly in flux because of this.
Consider it more! You could even make some things that don't exist in miniature form, like not-Stryxis ships and not-Rak'ghol ships.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Pacific, such a picture would have been off-topic at best, and a non sequitur at worst. Several other posters, including the person I was replying to, understood what I meant. I'm sure you can do the same.
Kroothawk wrote: Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites. Three FWBFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.
All it took for GW to sell mass amounts of Specialist Games stuff was to stop making it. Imagine how much more they could've sold if they'd promoted it instead.
Sadly, I agree. I called them up because the falchions I just got in the mail today were malformed. I'm hoping they still have replacements.
You can see the speculators just snapping this stuff up left and right.
LOL Don't worry, I *know* there's a demand. But I'm waiting on mang. It's ultimately his call, and he's not too sure he wants to take this step, profitable though it may be. Guys like Vaaish and I just produce a few concepts, mang is the virtuoso who makes them come to life.
Yikes, consider my throat jumped down on. It's not like I demanded the guy must play deadzone and burn all his necromunda dudes in a heap!
It's more a case of:
1) I'm really into Deadzone, which is a bit like necromunda.
2) Dude was wanting to get into necromunda again, which isn't going to really be around anymore.
3) Dude likes squats, which haven't been around for years.
4) Deadzone will have space dwarfs.
5) Be helpful and suggest Deadzone with space dwarfs as an alternative.
I've traditionally preferred Battlefleet Gothic as my 'specialist game' of choice. Someone suggested Firestorm Armada, which I'm not really aware of. I'm probably not going to go for it but I'm not gonna blame the guy for suggesting it!
Wow surprised to see so much stuff gone so fast, even tons of the eldar epic stuff is gone and I'll was checking those out only yesterday, with GW dropping so much of this stuff I wonder whos gonna fill the void especially when it comes to epic 40K and BFG.
Rolt wrote: Wow surprised to see so much stuff gone so fast, even tons of the eldar epic stuff is gone and I'll was checking those out only yesterday, with GW dropping so much of this stuff I wonder whos gonna fill the void especially when it comes to epic 40K and BFG.
My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.
Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.
Any chance there will be some eldar stuff in the works?
Look, before anyone starts bombarding me with questions, I don't know what mang has planned beyond he wants a battleship design. Eldar will be a problem because unlike Imperial, they're not based off real world things so they'd be a bit harder to get away with just yet. So here's the facts as stands: He's considering the idea.
I will broadcast any further details as they become available.
Yodhrin wrote: Yes yes, of course, we don't want to pressure anyone. Just know that we're here. Waiting. In a darkened corner. Breathing heavily and watching you.
Don't say that dude, I had crazy people from the internet show up at my place once already. I didn't want to come across as freaking out, but at the moment Mang is thinking about it, I don't want to over sell him, and I don't want ANY OF YOU pestering him about it. He already had half the BFG community dial 'M' in a panic about this sudden situation and I don't want to add any stress to him.
Seeing how fast the BFG stuff was going, I went and bought a small batch of Space Marine stuff. Just so, even though I'd like more, I still have it. Bought a Battle Barge and two Strike Cruisers from Games Workshop, as well as a pack of Gladius Frigates, Plasma Frigates, and Thunderhawk Gunships from Forge World. Wish I would have ordered yesterday because I would have ordered a pack of the Hunter Escorts too, but they sold out overnight. Glad I got at least some stuff though. But if this wouldn't have happen so suddenly, I probably would have invested enough to order more SM ships, plus an Imperial Fleet to go with it.
Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...
-Loki- wrote: Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...
-Loki- wrote: Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...
It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.
I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....
Well I made my second GW purchase for the year (after the Daemons Codex). Box'o'Cawdor Gangers (combined with my Reds I can do a pretty good Cawdor gang now), and Kal Jericho & Scabbs.
I was going to get the Spyrers, but not for that price.
Compel wrote: Yikes, consider my throat jumped down on. It's not like I demanded the guy must play deadzone and burn all his necromunda dudes in a heap!
It's more a case of:
1) I'm really into Deadzone, which is a bit like necromunda.
2) Dude was wanting to get into necromunda again, which isn't going to really be around anymore.
3) Dude likes squats, which haven't been around for years.
4) Deadzone will have space dwarfs.
5) Be helpful and suggest Deadzone with space dwarfs as an alternative.
I've traditionally preferred Battlefleet Gothic as my 'specialist game' of choice. Someone suggested Firestorm Armada, which I'm not really aware of. I'm probably not going to go for it but I'm not gonna blame the guy for suggesting it!
Whats the gameplay like in Deadzone? Can characters gain XP and skills and stuff?
So, with a few of the items being OOS/OOP, but still showing 24 hour availability, I imagine you could do some free shipping shenanigans if you wanted to. Order a pot of paint and 3 AM cruisers, see if they just send the pot of paint with free shipping. Only really worth while if you actually WANT the in stock item, but if anyone is feeling like scoring a petty victory it's out there.
It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.
I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....
Cool. Thanks for the info(figured it'd be them, since fleets require more).
While I agree with the hope for Light Cruisers coming back before the Drop(would probably order 8 or 10), IIRC, they've been unavailable for years, at least, every time I've checked. It's why I put off ordering the fleet to begin with.
It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.
I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....
Cool. Thanks for the info(figured it'd be them, since fleets require more).
While I agree with the hope for Light Cruisers coming back before the Drop(would probably order 8 or 10), IIRC, they've been unavailable for years, at least, every time I've checked. It's why I put off ordering the fleet to begin with.
I'm with you on the lights. I'd grab 8 easy. Luckily I must have grabbed some of the last AM regular cruisers since I got a shipping confirmation on them and that would have let me field my 4 AM Battleships, 4 Cruisers, and my 8 Lights as a fleet but I don't expect them to come back. Come on recasters.....
Well, after obsessively refreshing my online banking for an hour, my pay's finally come through, so I ordered the stuff that I like and will probably go for a fortune on ebay or which I need in pristine condition. Still pissed I missed out on the AdMech light cruiser though. And that this whole bloody mess is happening in the first place.
And don't worry BaronIveagh, I was only kidding, there will be no harassment, just the last few dying embers of optimism I can muster up
Wow, US store is going down fast: Despoiler, Desolator, Repulsive, and the possessed cruiser bits are all gone. SM Gladius frigate, The BFG Blue Book, Rogue Trader cruiser, the ring station, all gone. Admech cruisers are all still for sale on the US store though.
Admech cruisers are likely gone. The light is not available (says 3-4 weeks but it's been that way forever) and the Cruiser is on "Back Order" which, since they are gone in the UK means they're probably gone too.
This is all really a bummer. I have been with GW since the original Specialist games were just newly released (I have BFG, 1st ed. Necromunda, Gorkamorka, etc). It really sucks to see things from the most nostalgic period in my life disappear.
Hopefully they keep things like the resource section- at least some of the games like Mordheim can be played with other models. I'm not surprised to see the closing though, as most of the models were idiotically priced or unfeasibly packaged. Look at the gangs for Necromunda, for instance. $15 for three random models, which might be a mix of gangers OR juves? That's no friggin' way to purchase models for a game, when certain models carrying certain weapons matter.
GBL wrote: Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.
Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.
Please tell me you know how to read a financial statement before you posted this drivel?
You might want to look at their financial statements and then you'd realise they actually make a NPAT (granted, I didn't check their notes so this is hearsay until we determine why) in the Australian market for their retail sector for the first time I've ever seen from them in 2012.
You are aware that GW's growth has been flat in an expanding market for a number of years?
A simple bit of investigation reveals that GW ran a deficit for FY2012. They made a profit of 19.5 million and paid it all out to investors, ending in a year loss of 0.06 million. This is because their stock prices have been relatively flat for many many years, which is a bad thing - they are worth less now due to inflation. If an investor can't at least match inflation with their money, it's a loss (and better invested in other things... hell, a low interest normal savings account would return better than GW stock). Companies give out their profit as bonuses to shareholders to keep them still invested despite an overall loss of value of shares.
A simple bit of investigation reveals that GW ran a deficit for FY2012. They made a profit of 19.5 million and paid it all out to investors, ending in a year loss of 0.06 million. This is because their stock prices have been relatively flat for many many years, which is a bad thing - they are worth less now due to inflation. If an investor can't at least match inflation with their money, it's a loss (and better invested in other things... hell, a low interest normal savings account would return better than GW stock). Companies give out their profit as bonuses to shareholders to keep them still invested despite an overall loss of value of shares.
but.... but.... but that is heresy! GW posting a loss???? Heresy I tell ya!!!
But in earnest, if you can please provide the data on how you came to this conclusion I would greatly appreciate it.
I know you're not affiliated with them, but Mantic does this weird thing called "listening to customers" and I'd say you're fairly well known to them.
