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I've seen it, and I'm considering it...

Dark Reign has been fumbling around for a new direction. Maybe as a 'gothic space ships' supplier might be the best path.

From the email I got today about packing my order. There were a few items on my order that were on this list. Most annoying is the Reaver which was available when I put in the order and now is showing obsolete....

Specialist Back Order but still Available:

Battlefleet Gothic: Imperial Vengeance Cruiser 24-May-13
Battlefleet Gothic: Adeptus Mechanicus Cruiser 17-May-13
Battlefleet Gothic: Falchion Class Escort 17-May-13
Battlefleet Gothic: Space Marine Hunter 17-May-13
Epic: Imperial Marauder Bombers 10-May-13
Epic: Ork Flakwagons 31-May-13
Warmaster: Bretonnian Peasants 31-May-13
Warmaster: Bretonnian Characters 31-May-13
Warmaster: Lizardmen Cold One Riders 31-May-13

Specialist Obsololete Items:

Epic: Eldar Court Of The Young King OBSOLETE
Epic: Imperial Thunderbolt Fighters OBSOLETE
Battlefleet Gothic: Eldar Shadow Cruiser OBSOLETE
Battlefleet Gothic: Orca Class Escorts OBSOLETE
Warmaster: Lizardmen Kroxigor OBSOLETE
Epic: Imperial Reaver Titan OBSOLETE

Buy Titans and aircraft from Forge World. Better figures at a better scale with the infantry/vehicles already out there.

Tried, they were already out of their Reavers....I have the warhounds already.

 Squat Kid wrote:
I've seen it, and I'm considering it...

As a fellow space-dwarf, I have to say I'm extremely excited about what Deadzone is going to turn out like..

I can still remember the buzz actually when Necromunda was first released, and everyone was playing it - and some of the mental campaigns that GW used to run in their stores (still remember my poor Goliath leader who was blinded in both eyes ).

If Deadzone makes even half of that it will be something special. Perhaps its good in a way that a new company is coming along that is being pro-active in terms of the games it puts out and supporting them, as GW used to be once upon a time.

Oh god damn sonofa....one day, I only needed one ruddy day to buy the AdMech light cruiser, and it's bloody gone. And there's little hope of even seeing it show up from the recasting brigade on ebay considering how infrequently it seems to sell

Unlike a lot of the stuff they aren't showing it as unavailable. They are showing it as 3-4 weeks to restock on the US site so you might still be able to grab one.

 Compel wrote:
Might I direct you to Deadzone, then Squat Kid?

Why?

Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.

Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?

Backfire wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.

Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/

Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.

 Fafnir wrote:
Real shame too, I've always wanted to try BFG. Just never the support for it.

My sentiments exactly.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Unlike a lot of the stuff they aren't showing it as unavailable. They are showing it as 3-4 weeks to restock on the US site so you might still be able to grab one.

Nah, it's been listed as "ships within 24 hours" on the GW site until about two hours ago, when it switched to "no longer available" - none left in the UK

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Might I direct you to Deadzone, then Squat Kid?

Why?

Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.

Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?

I don't think either of those recommendations would be out of line HBMC. It's not unreasonable to suggest games that are similar to what you like, especially if said games are or will soon be hard to get.

Not sure what you are driving at here...

~Eric

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.

Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/

Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.

They don't really have that 40k aesthetic, though. They'll be a cool alternative for the people who can't get a hold of the BFG stuff, though.

 Taarnak wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Might I direct you to Deadzone, then Squat Kid?

Why?

Some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Your reccomendation is a bit like someone saying "I really like milk chocolate" and then you saying "Well may I direct you to this white chocolate?". Sure, they're both types of chocolate and they may even like the white chocolate... but it's never going to be the milk chocolate they said they like.

Or to put it in gaming terms, I like BattleTech. Are you going to suggest I start playing C.A.V.?

I don't think either of those recommendations would be out of line HBMC. It's not unreasonable to suggest games that are similar to what you like, especially if said games are or will soon be hard to get.

Not sure what you are driving at here...

~Eric

I think he's driving at the fact that, even if you have an alternative game to Necromunda and its models, it's not Necromunda. Most people want Necromunda, not an alternative. Deadzone looks cool, but it will never have the rich back story, amazing fictional setting, and charm of Necromunda; at least in my opinion.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.

Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/

Ever heard of Firestorm Armada? The ships look amazing.

Yes. The ships look terrible in my opinion (and in both scale and visuals, uncompatible with BFG ships), the background does not interest me, and the game itself hasn't really got good reviews.

Had a look at Deadzone earlier, like a lot of Mantics other offerings, not really interested. They need a few more years on their model design before I'd be willing to spend my money on them. When compared to some of the work other small companies have been doing, it just doesn't grab my attention.


Picked up the re-releases of Griff and Zug earlier as I'd been meaning to get them for a while. Also got the Cadian metal Standard/medic and the Colonel just in case he went at some point.

 Taarnak wrote:
Not sure what you are driving at here...

I thought it'd be perfectly obvious when I said that some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Sometimes the universe the game is set in and the game itself are what people like. Just saying “Play X because it’s like Y” isn’t good enough because some people really like Y and don’t like X. Liking one specific skirmish game doesn’t mean someone will automatically like any other.

If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).

Someone above says get Firestorm Armada ships for BFG. Why? They look nothing like BFG ships. The aesthetic is completely different. How is it a substitute or a replacement?

I’m not saying that a person couldn’t or shouldn’t like a different game – as I said in my chocolate example they may even like the other thing – but one is not automatically a replacement for the other because they share similar attributes.

Can I play a Delaque gang in Deadzone? No. No interest.
Can I play my Tyranids in War Machine? No. No interest.
Can I use my Draconis Combat guys in Heavy Gear? No. No interest.

I like the things I like because I like what they are, not because they tick a few boxes in a broad criteria that can easily be replaced by something different.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


I thought it'd be perfectly obvious when I said that some people like Necromunda because they like Necromunda. Sometimes the universe the game is set in and the game itself are what people like. Just saying “Play X because it’s like Y” isn’t good enough because some people really like Y and don’t like X. Liking one specific skirmish game doesn’t mean someone will automatically like any other.

Aye, setting is paramount for me also, if I think a background is sloppy, or the range is uninspiring compared to those I'm already playing or have done, I'm not going to get involved in the game no matter how much some other folks might like it. That's not really directed at anyone or setting btw, just a general ethos I adhere to when it comes to wargaming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).

As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.

I am in the same boat, I LOVE the warhammer universe and I could just not bring myself to play any other tabletop game, for some reason they all seem incredibly boring to me (warmachine etc) and yet I am addicted to warhammer. It is the universe which makes the game special imo.

Backfire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).

As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.

He has a completely valid point, though. The two are very different games, so offering one as an equal alternative to the other is a tad silly. The same can be said for Necromunda and Dead Zone.

Backfire wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.

Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/

My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.

Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.

 Darth Bob wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

If someone said “You like 40K? Why not give War Machine a try?” I’d laugh at them because I have no interest in War Machine (or insert a myriad of other games here, I don’t want to make this into a GW vs PP thing).

As a Dakka thread gets longer, probability of comparison between GW and PP approaches one.

He has a completely valid point, though. The two are very different games, so offering one as an equal alternative to the other is a tad silly. The same can be said for Necromunda and Dead Zone.

Hey, if you read my posts, I'm in complete agreement with him. Not all of us are 'wargamers', some of us are just gamers who happen to like one or two specific wargames. If those games are discontinued or changed to unrecognizable, we won't go to greener pastures.

I also didn't move to any other trading card game after I quit Magic, so I'm not a card gamer either. OTOH, I have tried out (and likely will) number of different RPG systems since I stopped playing D&D, so I guess I'm a roleplayer, however...


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 BaronIveagh wrote:


My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.

Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.

I've seen some of those efforts and they look promising, true. Not that much available just yet, however.

Backfire wrote:

I've seen some of those efforts and they look promising, true. Not that much available just yet, however.

Yeah, I'm starting work on a battleship design for mang. I'm really not too sure where I want to take it. Something big and impressive, but that screams '40k' while being un40k enough. If you follow.

With the discontinuing of BFG, I have a feeling we'll see a great deal more "Not Battlefleet Gothic" in the near future. Same for Epic.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

Backfire wrote:

 Elemental wrote:

Or D: Move on to a company that doesn't despise you, and stop rewarding bad behaviour. Most of the time, you don't even need to give up the game itself, there are proxies out there for nearly everything.

Sadly, not too many proxies around for BFG. Oh well, there are always recasters.... :/

My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.

Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.

Wait, are you saying mangozac is going to be producing an actual range of minis rather than just doing those incredible commission jobs?

If so, shut up and take my money.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I’m not saying that a person couldn’t or shouldn’t like a different game – as I said in my chocolate example they may even like the other thing – but one is not automatically a replacement for the other because they share similar attributes.

Fair enough, but the other thing might be a good replacement. Which you would possibly never know about had someone not suggested it. I never suggested that Deadzone would be an auto replacement for Necromunda. I said it would likely be a replacement for me, though, and suggested others might feel the same.

Also, since GW still has a ton of models available, and gamers have collections already built, aesthetics is one of the easiest things to substitute for. One could easily use a Delaque gang in Deadzone and play it as one of the existing factions. Not that doing so automatically scratches the itch for Necromunda either, but it's an option.

I just don't think it is that big a deal that someone suggested alternatives. If you say no thanks and they keep at you about it that is another issue altogether.

~Eric

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
Not sure what you are driving at here...

*snip*

I like the things I like because I like what they are, not because they tick a few boxes in a broad criteria that can easily be replaced by something different.

I don't think the post prior to your own warranted that kind of response... ? Which, very nearly prompted me to post a picture of a pram with discarded toys around it, no doubt followed by a telling-off by a mod in the process

It was a suggestion, . of course Deadzone isn't Necromunda. But, it shares enough similarities to make it suggestible as a replacement, especially now that Necromunda looks like it is going to be confined to the annals of gaming history..

Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites.
Three FW BFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.

Can't find the buggers for sale anywhere, though. awesome stuff, but it seems it's not exactly a readily available mass solution, it seems.