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 Yodhrin wrote:

Wait, are you saying mangozac is going to be producing an actual range of minis rather than just doing those incredible commission jobs?

If so, shut up and take my money.

He's considering it. I'm considering helping if possible. But non of this is set in stone yet. We're both sort of fumbling around here. If we go for it, I'm setting up Dark Reign's old store with new stuff, including his minis. I'm also thinking about contracting some of the guys that worked on FFG's books to do some 'non-40k' dark futureish art prints. ATM everything is suddenly in flux because of this.

Pacific, such a picture would have been off-topic at best, and a non sequitur at worst. Several other posters, including the person I was replying to, understood what I meant. I'm sure you can do the same.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites. Three FW BFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.

All it took for GW to sell mass amounts of Specialist Games stuff was to stop making it. Imagine how much more they could've sold if they'd promoted it instead.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:
He's considering it. I'm considering helping if possible. But non of this is set in stone yet. We're both sort of fumbling around here. If we go for it, I'm setting up Dark Reign's old store with new stuff, including his minis. I'm also thinking about contracting some of the guys that worked on FFG's books to do some 'non-40k' dark futureish art prints. ATM everything is suddenly in flux because of this.

Consider it more! You could even make some things that don't exist in miniature form, like not-Stryxis ships and not-Rak'ghol ships.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Pacific, such a picture would have been off-topic at best, and a non sequitur at worst. Several other posters, including the person I was replying to, understood what I meant. I'm sure you can do the same.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Wow, you can really watch the BFG models go out of stock on both GW and FW websites. Three FW BFG Tau models gone today (one while I was trying to order, two after it), also 3-5 Tau Epic models.

All it took for GW to sell mass amounts of Specialist Games stuff was to stop making it. Imagine how much more they could've sold if they'd promoted it instead.

Sadly, I agree. I called them up because the falchions I just got in the mail today were malformed. I'm hoping they still have replacements.

You can see the speculators just snapping this stuff up left and right.



LOL Don't worry, I *know* there's a demand. But I'm waiting on mang. It's ultimately his call, and he's not too sure he wants to take this step, profitable though it may be. Guys like Vaaish and I just produce a few concepts, mang is the virtuoso who makes them come to life.

Yikes, consider my throat jumped down on. It's not like I demanded the guy must play deadzone and burn all his necromunda dudes in a heap!

It's more a case of:

1) I'm really into Deadzone, which is a bit like necromunda.
2) Dude was wanting to get into necromunda again, which isn't going to really be around anymore.
3) Dude likes squats, which haven't been around for years.
4) Deadzone will have space dwarfs.
5) Be helpful and suggest Deadzone with space dwarfs as an alternative.


I've traditionally preferred Battlefleet Gothic as my 'specialist game' of choice. Someone suggested Firestorm Armada, which I'm not really aware of. I'm probably not going to go for it but I'm not gonna blame the guy for suggesting it!

Wow surprised to see so much stuff gone so fast, even tons of the eldar epic stuff is gone and I'll was checking those out only yesterday, with GW dropping so much of this stuff I wonder whos gonna fill the void especially when it comes to epic 40K and BFG.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.

Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.

Any chance there will be some eldar stuff in the works?

 Rolt wrote:
Wow surprised to see so much stuff gone so fast, even tons of the eldar epic stuff is gone and I'll was checking those out only yesterday, with GW dropping so much of this stuff I wonder whos gonna fill the void especially when it comes to epic 40K and BFG.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

My friend, that's where you are wrong, and I'm not talking about that full thrust crap.

Even now, the BFG communty's finest designers and sculptors are hard at work to fill the void. With pretty good resin, I might add.

Any chance there will be some eldar stuff in the works?

Look, before anyone starts bombarding me with questions, I don't know what mang has planned beyond he wants a battleship design. Eldar will be a problem because unlike Imperial, they're not based off real world things so they'd be a bit harder to get away with just yet. So here's the facts as stands: He's considering the idea.

I will broadcast any further details as they become available.

^ My sincere apologies Baronleagh its not my intention to cause you any stress.

Yes yes, of course, we don't want to pressure anyone. Just know that we're here. Waiting. In a darkened corner. Breathing heavily and watching you.

After seeing the rapid rate of model dissapearance, I went and ordered my Apocalypse.

I do like my lances, and while I don't have piles of spending money this month, I'd kick myself later for not getting it while I can.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Yes yes, of course, we don't want to pressure anyone. Just know that we're here. Waiting. In a darkened corner. Breathing heavily and watching you.

Don't say that dude, I had crazy people from the internet show up at my place once already. I didn't want to come across as freaking out, but at the moment Mang is thinking about it, I don't want to over sell him, and I don't want ANY OF YOU pestering him about it. He already had half the BFG community dial 'M' in a panic about this sudden situation and I don't want to add any stress to him.

So cross your fingers, I know I am.

Got an email saying there's a backorder on one or more of my items, but doesn't state which ones. Saying it should take 1-2 weeks to fill.

Ordered 2 AM Battleships and 4 AM Cruisers. Both are still saying "ships in 24 hours".

Seeing how fast the BFG stuff was going, I went and bought a small batch of Space Marine stuff. Just so, even though I'd like more, I still have it. Bought a Battle Barge and two Strike Cruisers from Games Workshop, as well as a pack of Gladius Frigates, Plasma Frigates, and Thunderhawk Gunships from Forge World. Wish I would have ordered yesterday because I would have ordered a pack of the Hunter Escorts too, but they sold out overnight. Glad I got at least some stuff though. But if this wouldn't have happen so suddenly, I probably would have invested enough to order more SM ships, plus an Imperial Fleet to go with it.

Oh well. :(

Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...

Nah, that went too far.

 -Loki- wrote:
Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...

Nah, that went too far.

One can dream, though. One can dream...

 -Loki- wrote:
Surely, seeing the rate at which stuff is selling, will tell GW there is indeed a market for these sorts of games, and we'll see a return of them with updated miniature lines and some promot...

Nah, that went too far.

Exchange rates! Minimum wage!

@Platuan4th

It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.

I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....

Well I made my second GW purchase for the year (after the Daemons Codex). Box'o'Cawdor Gangers (combined with my Reds I can do a pretty good Cawdor gang now), and Kal Jericho & Scabbs.

I was going to get the Spyrers, but not for that price.

 Compel wrote:
Yikes, consider my throat jumped down on. It's not like I demanded the guy must play deadzone and burn all his necromunda dudes in a heap!

It's more a case of:

1) I'm really into Deadzone, which is a bit like necromunda.
2) Dude was wanting to get into necromunda again, which isn't going to really be around anymore.
3) Dude likes squats, which haven't been around for years.
4) Deadzone will have space dwarfs.
5) Be helpful and suggest Deadzone with space dwarfs as an alternative.


I've traditionally preferred Battlefleet Gothic as my 'specialist game' of choice. Someone suggested Firestorm Armada, which I'm not really aware of. I'm probably not going to go for it but I'm not gonna blame the guy for suggesting it!

Whats the gameplay like in Deadzone? Can characters gain XP and skills and stuff?

So, with a few of the items being OOS/OOP, but still showing 24 hour availability, I imagine you could do some free shipping shenanigans if you wanted to. Order a pot of paint and 3 AM cruisers, see if they just send the pot of paint with free shipping. Only really worth while if you actually WANT the in stock item, but if anyone is feeling like scoring a petty victory it's out there.

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Platuan4th

It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.

I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....

Cool. Thanks for the info(figured it'd be them, since fleets require more).

While I agree with the hope for Light Cruisers coming back before the Drop(would probably order 8 or 10), IIRC, they've been unavailable for years, at least, every time I've checked. It's why I put off ordering the fleet to begin with.

Expect the US and England to sell out at different rates. It will depend a lot on how much is warehoused.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
@Platuan4th

It's the AM cruisers. They are supposedly on back order.

I'm still holding out hope that the light cruisers will indeed be available in a few weeks, maybe another run on the machines before they drop them....

Cool. Thanks for the info(figured it'd be them, since fleets require more).

While I agree with the hope for Light Cruisers coming back before the Drop(would probably order 8 or 10), IIRC, they've been unavailable for years, at least, every time I've checked. It's why I put off ordering the fleet to begin with.

I'm with you on the lights. I'd grab 8 easy. Luckily I must have grabbed some of the last AM regular cruisers since I got a shipping confirmation on them and that would have let me field my 4 AM Battleships, 4 Cruisers, and my 8 Lights as a fleet but I don't expect them to come back. Come on recasters.....

Well, after obsessively refreshing my online banking for an hour, my pay's finally come through, so I ordered the stuff that I like and will probably go for a fortune on ebay or which I need in pristine condition. Still pissed I missed out on the AdMech light cruiser though. And that this whole bloody mess is happening in the first place.

And don't worry BaronIveagh, I was only kidding, there will be no harassment, just the last few dying embers of optimism I can muster up

Wow, US store is going down fast: Despoiler, Desolator, Repulsive, and the possessed cruiser bits are all gone. SM Gladius frigate, The BFG Blue Book, Rogue Trader cruiser, the ring station, all gone. Admech cruisers are all still for sale on the US store though.

Admech cruisers are likely gone. The light is not available (says 3-4 weeks but it's been that way forever) and the Cruiser is on "Back Order" which, since they are gone in the UK means they're probably gone too.

Well, the Hunter Destroyers popped back up on Forge World. Just picked up some.

A couple sets have come back up. The escort carriers are another one that's available again.

This is all really a bummer. I have been with GW since the original Specialist games were just newly released (I have BFG, 1st ed. Necromunda, Gorkamorka, etc). It really sucks to see things from the most nostalgic period in my life disappear.

Hopefully they keep things like the resource section- at least some of the games like Mordheim can be played with other models. I'm not surprised to see the closing though, as most of the models were idiotically priced or unfeasibly packaged. Look at the gangs for Necromunda, for instance. $15 for three random models, which might be a mix of gangers OR juves? That's no friggin' way to purchase models for a game, when certain models carrying certain weapons matter.

 azreal13 wrote:

Shaozun wrote:

GBL wrote:
Step 1. Stop supporting specialist games.
Step 2. Raise the prices on specialist games.
Step 3. Allow this massive hole in the market to be filled by other companies.
Step 4. Phase out specialist games.

Genius. I cant see a single flaw in GW's business plan. Assuming their plan is to ultimately phase out GW.

Please tell me you know how to read a financial statement before you posted this drivel?

You might want to look at their financial statements and then you'd realise they actually make a NPAT (granted, I didn't check their notes so this is hearsay until we determine why) in the Australian market for their retail sector for the first time I've ever seen from them in 2012.

You are aware that GW's growth has been flat in an expanding market for a number of years?

A simple bit of investigation reveals that GW ran a deficit for FY2012. They made a profit of 19.5 million and paid it all out to investors, ending in a year loss of 0.06 million. This is because their stock prices have been relatively flat for many many years, which is a bad thing - they are worth less now due to inflation. If an investor can't at least match inflation with their money, it's a loss (and better invested in other things... hell, a low interest normal savings account would return better than GW stock). Companies give out their profit as bonuses to shareholders to keep them still invested despite an overall loss of value of shares.

A simple bit of investigation reveals that GW ran a deficit for FY2012. They made a profit of 19.5 million and paid it all out to investors, ending in a year loss of 0.06 million. This is because their stock prices have been relatively flat for many many years, which is a bad thing - they are worth less now due to inflation. If an investor can't at least match inflation with their money, it's a loss (and better invested in other things... hell, a low interest normal savings account would return better than GW stock). Companies give out their profit as bonuses to shareholders to keep them still invested despite an overall loss of value of shares.

but.... but.... but that is heresy! GW posting a loss???? Heresy I tell ya!!!

But in earnest, if you can please provide the data on how you came to this conclusion I would greatly appreciate it.

- Adam