Even though Mother Nature did all she could to prevent it, AdeptiCon 2013 kicked off the second decade of our unending campaign to bring you the best wargaming convention possible! , Over 1900 attendees from across the globe descended on the Westin Lombard Yorktown Center to engage in conflicts across a myriad of worlds. The additional day allowed for more events, seminars, demos and fun than ever before…yet we are not done yet!

AdeptiCon 2014 will continue to build upon this tradition of wargaming excellence, and as always…you won’t want to miss it! Preregistration will open in early November, so clear your schedules and start planning!

What: AdeptiCon 2014!
When: April 3rd– 6th, 2014
Where: Westin Lombard Yorktown Center (Lombard, Illinois) - Make Your Hotel Reservations Now!

Check the AdeptiCon website over the next several months for additional news concerning the convention, preregistration, specific events, special guests and more!

Reserved, can't wait!

Also reserved and starting to plan! Have to defend our team spirit title.
We've done the Inquisition, We've done the Traitors Hand, is Weekend at the Emperors forthcoming???? Be there to find out......

Looking forward to another great year no matter what though!

Reserved. Last thing I want is to not have the type of room I'm looking for.

And it's not like I could stay away from trying to three-peat the Team Tournament

****Edit due to Ragnar *****

"Three-pete"? How many guys named Pete were on your team? Is this an in-joke I missed, or am I just calling unnecessary attention to a spelling error?

Calling the hotel now...

That's just jealousy shining through

Looking forward to finally getting to attend! Date is saved!

...and reservation made. Which reminds me that I need to go take care of that for NOVA too...

 Hulksmash wrote:
That's just jealousy shining through

If I can't replicate your successes on the table I just have to console myself with my superior spelling skills. Actually, I'm 2-0 vs. guys on your team, but that's not saying much, as I've only gotten to play Nick so far.

Yeah, and he's a pushover

Given the expanded Thursday schedule this year, did folks feel it was necessary to arrive (and thus reserve the hotel) on Wed night? Or maybe only if you were playing in the singles 40K GT?

I arrived on Wednesday this year, and will again next year. As it was, weather tried hard to keep me from arriving at all....

I got in on Wednesday this year and booked it the same way this year. The new format has made it so that it's a true 4 day weekend instead of 2.5 or so....

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, and he's a pushover

Given the expanded Thursday schedule this year, did folks feel it was necessary to arrive (and thus reserve the hotel) on Wed night? Or maybe only if you were playing in the singles 40K GT?

It also depends on where you are.

If you are flying in from the west coast because of the time change and the flight times you have to come in on Wed.

If you are on the east coast you might be able to come in on Thur.

And my reservation is in

Honestly, I don't think I can swing leaving on Wednesday... and if I do, I might just find someone to crash with. Last year, I couldn't swing Monday off of work, so I had to get up at like 4a.m. . So, this time I'm hoping to get Monday off and we'll see about Wednesday. Booked Thurs - Sun night for now

I ended up calling in the reservation, seems I could have made it on the website but I felt better talking to someone I guess

Edit: Blackmoor, that's my thinking, too... I'm on the east coast. And likely, I won't be playing in the 40k singles event, just the team tournament hopefully!

I just reserved my room. This will be my first adepticon and I'm very excited.

And I sort of already know the answer to this, but there is stuff that non gaming family members like my wife and daughter can do around the Westin yes? My cousin lives like an hour away but doesn't know much about that area. I guess there is always a trip into Chicago which could be fun.

Lorek says that they're sold out of the normal ones already? Might need to open up another block of rooms

Glad I jumped on it, though!

Actually - I checked the block and there is space available. The link in Matthias' original post is working properly and I was able to start the booking of a reservation. Though I would not wait. The hotel block is filling at a good clip with 40+ rooms nights added over the past 2 hours.

Just a quick note:

The Westin hotel block is now 80% full in just over eight days of being released. If you want a room at the Westin, do not wait because they are going fast.

Geeking Out at AdeptiCon Tour 2014

Geek Nation Tours is currently accepting reservations for AdeptiCon 2014 through September 30th! Aside from handling your hotel, transport to/from the airport and arranging all manner of extracurricular convention activities, participation also enables you to preregister for events in advance! Don’t come half way across the world only to have the spots you wanted disappear...

Check out the Geek Nation Tours website for detailed information.

Preregistration Begins Thursday, November 14th at 7PM CST

We are busy putting the final touches on the schedule for AdeptiCon 2014 and it is shaping up to be another fantastic year!

It is impossible to cover everything in this update, so head on over to the AdeptiCon 2013 Webcart and see what events we have in store for you! The webcart is about 75% complete at this time. Please be aware that event days, event times, costs and descriptions are all subject to change. Several new events and seminars will be added before registration begins – but this should give you a good starting point to begin planning your weekend!

The full schedule should be completed by Friday, November 1st. In the meantime, we suggest you do the following in order to make your registration process go as smoothly as possible:

Make sure you whitelist the info@adepticon.org email address. All of your cart confirmations will be coming from this address and they can very easily get caught in spam/junk filters.

Log into the AdeptiCon Webcart to make sure you know what email address your account is under and what your password is. Trying to figure this out the day registration opens will be a nightmare. You can request a password reset by clicking here. Please note that if you use a different email address for PayPal, your webcart account might be under that email address. It just depends on how you registered last year.

Preregistration opens on Thursday, November 14th at 7PM CST. Last year, our most popular events sold out within hours, so act quickly to reserve your spot in the events of your choice!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Reserved. Last thing I want is to not have the type of room I'm looking for.

And it's not like I could stay away from trying to three-peat the Team Tournament

****Edit due to Ragnar *****

As brown's flying partner this yr, I already told Goyno I will be leaving him at the airport! So you will have to "three-peat" with 3 people!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA...or you could let me take his place

 krootman. wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Reserved. Last thing I want is to not have the type of room I'm looking for.

And it's not like I could stay away from trying to three-peat the Team Tournament

****Edit due to Ragnar *****

As brown's flying partner this yr, I already told Goyno I will be leaving him at the airport! So you will have to "three-peat" with 3 people!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA...or you could let me take his place

We have a better chance of winning with three people then three + you!

Super pumped to get reg'ing for adepticon again, always an awesome time Also glad I have a roommate who remembered to book, i totally would have forgotten...

I can' wait to see the survey results. I want to see what people think of forge world.

Team tournament Saturday and Sunday! Will be extremely tempted to register for this again

Target wrote:

 krootman. wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Reserved. Last thing I want is to not have the type of room I'm looking for.

And it's not like I could stay away from trying to three-peat the Team Tournament

****Edit due to Ragnar *****

As brown's flying partner this yr, I already told Goyno I will be leaving him at the airport! So you will have to "three-peat" with 3 people!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA...or you could let me take his place

We have a better chance of winning with three people then three + you!

Super pumped to get reg'ing for adepticon again, always an awesome time Also glad I have a roommate who remembered to book, i totally would have forgotten...

HOW RUDE

Always book as soon as they open up the block. Even if that means I'm normally booking a room 9 months out

And if they leave you at the airport Target I'll pick you up....after the Championships

 Hulksmash wrote:
Always book as soon as they open up the block. Even if that means I'm normally booking a room 9 months out

And if they leave you at the airport Target I'll pick you up....after the Championships

Never. Flying. Again.

I'll be driving this year, because f that noise from last year.

Interesting... I've considered driving, but feel like the extra time I'd need on either side might not be worth it. But it's a similar distance for me (living in MD) so... hmmm. Have you driven to it before, and is there anything to keep in mind about going that way? (I assume parking is free since there's a lot of space there)

 RiTides wrote:
Interesting... I've considered driving, but feel like the extra time I'd need on either side might not be worth it. But it's a similar distance for me (living in MD) so... hmmm. Have you driven to it before, and is there anything to keep in mind about going that way? (I assume parking is free since there's a lot of space there)

AFAIK, most of the guys in this region end up driving, so you can usually find folks to caravan with from one of the various clubs (both inner circle, beltway, and IFL usually have guys going). I drove my first year, and flew last year. And while last year may be an anomaly, i got to the airport at 11am for a 12:30 flight, which got cancelled 4 times, changed airlines, rescheduled, and left finally at 1:30 am, having me arrive at 3:30 am to the hotel for a 7am singles GT start. That may not be the norm, but for me, its not even worth the risk - also, if I'm bringing a display board/team army, its a real pain to try and fly. The drive is about 11-12 hours depending on how much you stop, and is super easy. You spend about 300 miles holding the wheel straight and driving through endless flat in Ohio, and that's about it

Okay, maybe I'll see if any of the beltway gamers guys are going . I've already got rooming worked out with some Dakka mods, but not having to pack an army for flight would be appealing!

One other question- given the length of the drive, I'm guessing that means you drive Wednesday / Monday? When I was planning to fly in (and only do the team tournament, not the championships) I had only booked the hotel for Thurs - Sun... but obviously if driving Wed I'd have to add Wed onto that.

Will think it over, cheers for your thoughts

Looking forward to seeing those poll results and hearing what points and such we'll be playing at! This will be the first GT in a while I will get to play at instead of TO at, so I am even more juiced than normal for Adepticon.

Speaking of poll results...any news of when they will be posted?

What poll are you guys referring to?

 TimmyMWD wrote:
What poll are you guys referring to?

They e-mailed a poll to all of their past participants. The poll closed yesterday and I was wondering what the results where.

That is: past participants of one particular event that had signed up under their own email address.

I know there was talk of doing a dev blog post discussing the results soon - but I am not even sure anyone has had the time to look at the results in detail right now. I barely have enough time to breathe.

Hobby Seminars and Warmachine/Hordes Events Added to Schedule

155 events and counting! The schedule continues to coalesce with the addition of Hobby Seminars and Warmachine/Hordes events. More finite details will be added to these events over the next week, but they now have their proper place in the schedule for planning purposes. Only a few more events to go and the schedule should be more or less complete...for now that is!

As a reminder: You can head on over to the AdeptiCon 2013 Webcart to see what events we have in store for you!

Excellent... was wondering where all the Warmahordes was...

The Hardcore event for friday appears to be somehow sold out already...

 insaniak wrote:
Excellent... was wondering where all the Warmahordes was...

The Hardcore event for friday appears to be somehow sold out already...

That's how hardcore the event is. You have to find a ticket-holder & beat him up for his ticket. In a cage match. Full of crocodiles.

 Janthkin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Excellent... was wondering where all the Warmahordes was...

The Hardcore event for friday appears to be somehow sold out already...

That's how hardcore the event is. You have to find a ticket-holder & beat him up for his ticket. In a cage match. Full of crocodiles.

Hahaha

Looking forward to my first taste of Adepticon & the States.

Does anyone know if there will be boards just set up for anyone to play friendlies on? There's a few Dakkaites I'd love to get a game in against in between events.

 Janthkin wrote:
That's how hardcore the event is. You have to find a ticket-holder & beat him up for his ticket. In a cage match. Full of crocodiles.

Excellent. Glad I still have my original metal bonejacks... Just have to make sure I bring some extra socks.

That Hardcore event was a left over/test event from last year. The Hardcore! event for 2014 is: 7:00PM - 7:30AM [Saturday/Sunday]. All night. Hardcore.

I'm not sure I'm that hardcore.

Besides, that's valuable 'drinking with people from the other side of the planet' time...

Is the VIG badge text correct saying that the vendor hall will be open to only VIG pass holders for 2 hours on Thursday night... or should that be Wednesday night?

I'm leaning towards just getting the regular badge again this time, but I remember wishing I'd sprung for that one before

Also, is it possible to pay directly with credit card on the AdeptiCon site, rather than by Paypal?

Finally, should the 3 non-paying team tournament members do anything in particular when registering to note that they're in the team tournament, too?

Cheers

 insaniak wrote:
I'm not sure I'm that hardcore.

Besides, that's valuable 'drinking with people from the other side of the planet' time...

That is like the middle of the day for you. I would think that you would be the only one awake.

That's the rub with Adepticon in general though: balancing your time between the scheduled events that are the stated reason for attending, and socializing/pick up games with the people you get to see once a year, which is the better reason to attend.

Its a great problem to have, of course.

Yup; biggest reason to go to AdeptiCon, or really any of the big TT cons, is the social opportunities. Really an awesome core group that attends most of them.

I go to crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women!!!!

@Ritides

Is the VIG badge text correct saying that the vendor hall will be open to only VIG pass holders for 2 hours on Thursday night... or should that be Wednesday night?

Last year the vendor hall did not open till Friday. I think this is still somewhat under discussion but I expect vendors to use part of the day on Thursday for setup and then to be open later in the day on Thursday. So this would be correct but the exact time is subject to change.

I'm leaning towards just getting the regular badge again this time, but I remember wishing I'd sprung for that one before

The VIG badge, really depends on what you are looking at doing. It is generally a pretty good value if you plan to get raffle tickets, the AdeptiCon swag, anyway. The VIG just bundles that stuff and more. It also tends to have some VIG only merchandise that is not in the standard swag bag. For instance CMON provided some Zombicide promos last year. If you are arriving day 1 and plan to go through registration the VIG badge also helps expedite the process of standing in line. It is also fairly limited, and went amazing fast last year. So if it is something you are interested in doing be prepared to do it out of the gate.

Also, is it possible to pay directly with credit card on the AdeptiCon site, rather than by Paypal?

We off load all the credit card process to Paypal. This is really to mitigate potential security liabilities associated with processing and housing credit card data. By having those transactions run through Paypal it is safer for our attendees and for us! You can use a credit card via PayPal without a PayPal account. PM me with your concerns with Paypal.

Finally, should the 3 non-paying team tournament members do anything in particular when registering to note that they're in the team tournament, too?

Nope, that should be all covered by the team tourney registration which will list all the team members. The other three just need to purchase a badge.


Hope that helps ..

Hank

That's fantastic, thanks for the thorough answers muwhe

And I can definitely use Paypal, I just like to be ready for it (by either having all the funds in my account already, or none). Paypal has been forcing me to use leftover amounts in my account before using a credit card lately, which is just a little annoying as sometimes it's hard to track things that get split between what's in the account and onto a credit card.

Can't wait!

muwhe wrote:

The VIG badge, really depends on what you are looking at doing. It is generally a pretty good value if you plan to get raffle tickets, the AdeptiCon swag, anyway. The VIG just bundles that stuff and more. It also tends to have some VIG only merchandise that is not in the standard swag bag. For instance CMON provided some Zombicide promos last year. If you are arriving day 1 and plan to go through registration the VIG badge also helps expedite the process of standing in line. It is also fairly limited, and went amazing fast last year. So if it is something you are interested in doing be prepared to do it out of the gate.

Huh, I'd never really considered it, but that's actually a good point. I'd need a "gamer sized" shirt anyway, so that's closer to $20, and the glass is cool, so it's really only paying $25 for the ease of signing up and easy access.

muwhe wrote:
... If you are arriving day 1 and plan to go through registration the VIG badge also helps expedite the process of standing in line.

Or it does if you remember that you bought it... I completely forgot last time, so wound up spending a week standing in line, just to finally get to the front and be told that I was in the wrong queue...

So I think I'm finally going to go this year, and I am looking at the events list and was wondering if you veterans could help me out a bit.


Specifically, the Fantasy "It's how you use it tournament", the 40K friendly 2014 and the 40k combat patrol 2 caught my eye. Can anyone give me an idea as to what the 40k friendly is specifically. I think the others are pretty well covered, so I am just curious about that one.

Edit: Also, the Horus Heresy Apocalypse game looks like fun. Any ideas on that one as well?

The 40k Friendly is like a whacky 40k tournament; I'm not sure how it will have changed for this year, but the first two years (I participated in year 1, signed up for but bailed due to GT exhaustion, yet still observed / hung around year 2) were full of zany whacky things ranging from random table to table involvements and deploying your opponent's army for him while he deploys yours, etc. It's a lot of fun ... and always has a theme they stick fairly strongly to. Year 1 you got little metal "The Dude Emperor" models and Abide T-Shirts following a Lebowski theme. Year 2 they went with the theme of "it's 1 louder" and had TOs wearing hair metal costumes.

Strongly recommend

It's also less physically taxing than the GT. You DO want to make sure you bring a whackadoodle list, however; they'll (as they should) tell you to reconsider if you try to bring something too hard. The year I played, I stripped all my close-assault straken guard out of their Chimeras, bought my veterans every upgrade, and went screaming around the table with nearly 80 T3 5+ guys toting 12" range weapons, + Straken. No blobs ... no special tricks ... just lots of sillyness.

So, 40k Friendly is totally worth it

MVBrandt wrote:
The 40k Friendly is like a whacky 40k tournament; I'm not sure how it will have changed for this year, but the first two years (I participated in year 1, signed up for but bailed due to GT exhaustion, yet still observed / hung around year 2) were full of zany whacky things ranging from random table to table involvements and deploying your opponent's army for him while he deploys yours, etc. It's a lot of fun ... and always has a theme they stick fairly strongly to. Year 1 you got little metal "The Dude Emperor" models and Abide T-Shirts following a Lebowski theme. Year 2 they went with the theme of "it's 1 louder" and had TOs wearing hair metal costumes.

Strongly recommend

It's also less physically taxing than the GT. You DO want to make sure you bring a whackadoodle list, however; they'll (as they should) tell you to reconsider if you try to bring something too hard. The year I played, I stripped all my close-assault straken guard out of their Chimeras, bought my veterans every upgrade, and went screaming around the table with nearly 80 T3 5+ guys toting 12" range weapons, + Straken. No blobs ... no special tricks ... just lots of sillyness.

So, 40k Friendly is totally worth it

That.....sounds.....amazing.....
Yep, I'm in for that. I'm not a big tournament guy, but it seems like you gotta get involved in events at Adepticon, so I figured that doing things a bit different would be the best way for me to have fun. Getting curb-stomped by a guy that plays in 4 tournaments a week is not my idea of a good time.

MVBrandt wrote:
The 40k Friendly is like a whacky 40k tournament; I'm not sure how it will have changed for this year, but the first two years (I participated in year 1, signed up for but bailed due to GT exhaustion, yet still observed / hung around year 2) were full of zany whacky things ranging from random table to table involvements and deploying your opponent's army for him while he deploys yours, etc. It's a lot of fun ... and always has a theme they stick fairly strongly to. Year 1 you got little metal "The Dude Emperor" models and Abide T-Shirts following a Lebowski theme. Year 2 they went with the theme of "it's 1 louder" and had TOs wearing hair metal costumes.

Strongly recommend

It's also less physically taxing than the GT. You DO want to make sure you bring a whackadoodle list, however; they'll (as they should) tell you to reconsider if you try to bring something too hard. The year I played, I stripped all my close-assault straken guard out of their Chimeras, bought my veterans every upgrade, and went screaming around the table with nearly 80 T3 5+ guys toting 12" range weapons, + Straken. No blobs ... no special tricks ... just lots of sillyness.

So, 40k Friendly is totally worth it

I think it's misnamed. As you describe, it's wacky. That's well and good if having completely random stuff impact your game appeals to you, but I found it different than what I expected (a tournament with more themed armies and less flavour-of-the-month spam). It reminded me of going to a 'speed painting' event at a Games Day, only to find that it wasn't about painting quickly, but instead involved painting while blindfolded and wearing oven mitts. If that's what you want, go for it.

 Redbeard wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
The 40k Friendly is like a whacky 40k tournament; I'm not sure how it will have changed for this year, but the first two years (I participated in year 1, signed up for but bailed due to GT exhaustion, yet still observed / hung around year 2) were full of zany whacky things ranging from random table to table involvements and deploying your opponent's army for him while he deploys yours, etc. It's a lot of fun ... and always has a theme they stick fairly strongly to. Year 1 you got little metal "The Dude Emperor" models and Abide T-Shirts following a Lebowski theme. Year 2 they went with the theme of "it's 1 louder" and had TOs wearing hair metal costumes.

Strongly recommend

It's also less physically taxing than the GT. You DO want to make sure you bring a whackadoodle list, however; they'll (as they should) tell you to reconsider if you try to bring something too hard. The year I played, I stripped all my close-assault straken guard out of their Chimeras, bought my veterans every upgrade, and went screaming around the table with nearly 80 T3 5+ guys toting 12" range weapons, + Straken. No blobs ... no special tricks ... just lots of sillyness.

So, 40k Friendly is totally worth it

I think it's misnamed. As you describe, it's wacky. That's well and good if having completely random stuff impact your game appeals to you, but I found it different than what I expected (a tournament with more themed armies and less flavour-of-the-month spam). It reminded me of going to a 'speed painting' event at a Games Day, only to find that it wasn't about painting quickly, but instead involved painting while blindfolded and wearing oven mitts. If that's what you want, go for it.

That is a fairly accurate assessment. It is probably misnamed in that it's a little unfair to infer a regular GT (Even with tough armies) "unfriendly." But that's what they name it, and it is entertaining to participate in!

Events like what you're looking for do exist, just perhaps not at AdeptiCon (or maybe they do, if you check out the Warzone tournament ... I know my buddy Owen participated in that and felt it was a "real " tournament, but very different in terms of what armies there were, etc.).

Warzone gets a big thumbs-up from me. I helped run it last year (solely because the TO was completely alone, and the Gladiator was over-staffed), and aside from some minor year 1 organizational issues, it was a lot of fun. Smaller armies, smaller boards, and the structure itself enforces the need for balanced armies (as your min-max army that does well on the trenches battlefield is going to absolutely suck in the narrow corridors of a space hulk)..

 Redbeard wrote:
I think it's misnamed. As you describe, it's wacky. That's well and good if having completely random stuff impact your game appeals to you, but I found it different than what I expected (a tournament with more themed armies and less flavour-of-the-month spam). It reminded me of going to a 'speed painting' event at a Games Day, only to find that it wasn't about painting quickly, but instead involved painting while blindfolded and wearing oven mitts. If that's what you want, go for it.

What was it about the names:

Warhammer 40K: The Friendly 2012 - The Emperor Abides

and

Warhammer 40K: The Friendly 2013 - It's One Louder...

that made you think these events would be serious?

Or these event leads:

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only taking it easy!
999.M41 The Appearance of “The Dude“

During the ending days of the 13th Crusade, reports spread across Imperial space of the appearance of an extremely relaxed prophet. Calling himself the Dude and hailing from the fringe, this strange man was known for preaching to the Empire of Man to simply “abide.” Initial reports were sporadic, with long periods of silence. In and of itself, this was not uncommon for that sector of space, for in this Age of Man…word travels slowly. Still, The Dude quickly gained the critical eye of the Ordo Hereticus. Just how many Inquisitors were dispatched to deal with this new threat is unknown, but what is known is that The Dude would have long periods of inactivity, where he would literally drop off the radar.

At the greatest expense, it has recently been confirmed that The Dude has simultaneously appeared in several different sectors at the same time. The exact explanation for these appearances remains a mystery, yet the reports hint at the unthinkable….either additional prophets have sprung up bearing the message of The Dude…or The Dude can exist in multiple locations at the same time. Whatever the case, the path of these appearances are on a course of convergence, and other than reports of his obsession with finding some long lost piece of archeotech, his exact purpose remains a mystery. It is vital that The Dude be secured for study, and even more importantly, that he be denied to our enemies!

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, we’re gonna rock you!

Hello. My name is Marneus DiBarzano I'm an Internet meme creator, blogger, and wargamer. I’ve made a lot of memes. All Your Base Are Belong To Us...ya that was mine. In 1996, I went down to Joliet, Illinois to a wargaming store called Fantastic Games. Don't look for it, it's not there anymore. But that night I watched a group of wargamers that for me redefined the term "hobby". I remember being knocked out by their exuberance, their raw power - and their punctuality. Those wargamers are the now-legendary Snake Sons of DaBoyz. Seventeen years and eleven AdeptiCons later, The Snake Sons are still going strong, and they've earned a distinguished place in Grand Tournament history as some of America's most dedicated hobbyists. So in the late Fall of 2012 when I heard that The Snake Sons had theory-crafted the ultimate Warhammer 40K Team Tournament list, a concept they called 'Smell the Power Glove,' and were planning to attend AdeptiCon 2013 to promote their new team concept, well needless to say I jumped at the chance to make the documentary, the, if you will, conumentary that you're about to see. I wanted to capture the, the sights, the sounds, the smells, of a hard-working wargaming club on the road. And I got that. But I got more, a lot more. But hey - enough of my yakkin'. Whaddaya say, let's roll some dice!

What is warzone? Is it it's own game or a method of playing 40k?

godswildcard wrote:
What is warzone? Is it it's own game or a method of playing 40k?

FW put out rules for it a while back - I believe you can still get them from the Adepticon 2013 rules links.

Basically, 1k lists, 4x4 boards, but each board is of a very different type, usually with some specific rules associated with the board: one of those boards is a Zone Mortalis board (think a space hulk); one was a (burning) city with dense buildings; one was a desert; one was trench warfare. You had a small'ish "sideboard" available, e.g., to swap out flyers for infantry/walkers when you were on the space hulk board.

 Janthkin wrote:
Warzone gets a big thumbs-up from me. I helped run it last year (solely because the TO was completely alone, and the Gladiator was over-staffed), and aside from some minor year 1 organizational issues, it was a lot of fun. Smaller armies, smaller boards, and the structure itself enforces the need for balanced armies (as your min-max army that does well on the trenches battlefield is going to absolutely suck in the narrow corridors of a space hulk)..

Yea the Warzone event was very fun event. You play on 4 different boards with lower point limit.

It was totally relaxed event. If you play in the Championships and Team event it a good to day to relax and not get gamer “burn out”.


and thank you Janthkin for help running it.

AdeptiCon 2013 Warzone Event Rules
http://www.adepticon.org/13rules/201340Kwarzone.pdf

AdeptiCon 2013 Warzone Scenario Packet:
http://www.adepticon.org/wpfiles/2013/WarzoneBooklet.pdf

You are a gentleman and a scholar!

If there is a discrepancy in price between the description of the event and what is in the cart, which one is accurate? The Fantasy Team Tournament price is $70, but the description says $60. I'm presuming the $70 is correct, I just want to make sure I'm budgeting correctly.

Thanks!

Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

You are correct the proper amount is $70.00 per team.

Any word on points level for the championships this year?!?! Inquiring minds want to know!

@Reece -

We will be posting the survey results mid-next week. Matt, after many hours laying out 160 events in the webcart is getting some much needed hobby R&R this weekend before the craziness of registration begins.

Hank

Hobby R&R on the weekend? Blasphemy

Cheers for the hard work you guys all put in for this event!!

<3 and Empathy to all of you, Hank. Looking forward to connecting again while attending this year.

muwhe wrote:
@Reece -

We will be posting the survey results mid-next week. Matt, after many hours laying out 160 events in the webcart is getting some much needed hobby R&R this weekend before the craziness of registration begins.

Hank

Fair enough, thanks Hank!

One more question about the VIG pass- when is the long line for registration now? When I attended in 2012, I think it was Thursday evening.

Is that still the case, or is it Wednesday evening? I'd likely be arriving midday on Thursday, so if the line was already passed it'd make the VIG less important to me... but if it's Thursday night then I'd definitely want it, that line was crazy

 Reecius wrote:
I go to crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women!!!!

I'm pretty sure I did better than you in 2013.

@Ritides –
I would say the line midday on Thursday would be minimal.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
I go to crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women!!!!

I'm pretty sure I did better than you in 2013.

Hahaha, jerk!

Got it, thanks muwhe!

 Reecius wrote:

 whitedragon wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
I go to crush my enemies, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women!!!!

I'm pretty sure I did better than you in 2013.

Hahaha, jerk!

Lol, I gotta take 'em where I can get them!

@Whitedragon

Fair enough =P

godswildcard wrote:
What is warzone? Is it it's own game or a method of playing 40k?

It's pretty much been covered between Janthkin, Jay_DaBoyz, and Matthias posting last year's rules, but the 40K Warzone Tournament was put together from a collection of GW publications, drawing various rules and Stratagems from the Zone Mortalis Expansion from FW, Cities of Death, Planetstrike, and Apocalypse, along with some older out of print GW publications. Essentially it puts a heavy emphasis on existing terrain rules and brings Stratagems out of the Expansions and into the world of tournament play.

If you like the Expansions and how the terrain rules can dramatically alter how you play the game, then the Warzone tournament should be a great fit for you.

There will be a few small changes from last year. The Hidden Set Up Stratagem needs to be altered or replaced, and most of the attendees last year wanted "water/canals/islands" as a new Warzone, so there is a strong likelihood the Desert rules will be folded into the Trench boards, and I'll be assembling 4 new island tables. That will all be hammered out between now and January.

I'm very excited Janthkin has volunteered to help again. The event wouldn't have run nearly as smoothly if he didn't swoop in out of nowhere and offer to help. I'm looking forward to us working together again this year.

So no Gladiator this year? Friday looks pretty clear actually. I might get in a short event or seminar but I think i'll mostly just hangout. Since I know I won't be making top 16

 Hulksmash wrote:
So no Gladiator this year? Friday looks pretty clear actually. I might get in a short event or seminar but I think i'll mostly just hangout. Since I know I won't be making top 16

Yeah, I saw that too. I sent a message to the TO from last year, asking if he was doing it again this year.

If not, then maybe Warzone/Doubles. Or just drinking heavily until the team event.

I think Neil and I are going to do the doubles on Friday.

If i could find an xwing teammate for friday, I will only have to play 40k in the team tourney. Anybody want to play x-wing on Friday?

You might try asking Jin or MajorTom11, skkipper- they'll both be at AdeptiCon and both love X-wing

 RiTides wrote:
You might try asking Jin or MajorTom11, skkipper- they'll both be at AdeptiCon and both love X-wing

I already scored when I got Redbeard back on the 40k team and team ok'd orks again. so may have to try Jin or Majortom. it will prevent me from having 40k overload.

Today Your Love, Tomorrow AdeptiCon Registration

AdeptiCon 2014 Registration opens tomorrow at 7:00PM CST. We are expecting a massive registration rush when the cart goes live, so please have some patience with the system. Several improvements have been made, but it will undoubtedly be a bit slow as several hundred people stop mashing their F5 key and start the registration process.

The AdeptiCon 2014 Schedule is now up for your viewing pleasure. It is currently up to date, however I am sure it will change a little over the next 24 hours. People are still trying to submit additional events! In the past 24 hours hours, we have add a few Bolt Action games, some new Hobby Seminars, two smaller Warbands/Regiments of Renown Warhammer Fantasy events and more!

Draft rules for some of the major events have already been or will be posted by tomorrow. Here what we have so far:

Warhammer Fantasy ‘It’s How You Use It’ Tournament
Warhammer Fantasy Return of the Big Brawl
Warhammer Fantasy Team Tournament
Warhammer Fantasy Championships

Several people have also noticed some events appear to already be short a few tickets. This reflects the Geek Nation attendees claiming their guaranteed spots. Their registrations were completed a few days ago, so the remaining tickets listed for each event reflect current availability.

Well, I was going to be selfish and not bring this back up to the top, but figured that wouldn't be nice

Don't forget to register tonight if you're interested in the Championships, Team Tournament (or at least, if you're the one from your team paying upfront for the rest), etc guys!

Question, how quick do the 40k championships usually sell out? I know the team tournament sells out stupidly fast. But if I can't get a singles 40k championships ticket till next week will I most likely be on wait list?

Yes, you'll be on wait list.

Sell out time is usually in the range of a couple hours to at most a day based on past years

Last year the Champs sold out in less than 24 hours. So plan your purchase time accordingly!

Yep looks like I'll be scrambling to reg tonight then haha thanks guys!

As Always...Last Minute Additions as the Clock Runs Out...

I just added a bunch of new seminars:
An Introduction To Making Miniatures The Hasslefree Way - Kev White
Intro to MDF Scenery: Cornerstones of Success and Painting MDF Scenery: Objective Acquired - Dan Cotrupe
Working with LEDs - Chris Michaels

A complete list of all 65 Hobby Seminars can be found here.

as well as a few new events:
Epic Armageddon Challenge
Wild West Exodus: Gunslinger Brawl Tournament
Deadzone
Kings of War

195 events. Whew. A little over 2 hours and counting...Don't worry, she'll hold together... You hear me, baby? Hold together!

Hey Matthias - does the description of the Warhammer 40k Championship mean that the point level survey resulted in no change? (It's described as being a 1850 pt event.)

Correct. Points stayed at 1850. Round time increased to 2:45. Draft rules will be up when the cart goes live. Survey results blog post early next week I think.

I appreciate the time bump.

89 minutes to go....

Excellent... I hadn't been aware that a change to the points limit was on the table, so had already sorted out an 1850 list.

Although it may all go out the window anyway if the rumoured Guard codex in March does happen...

Our cutoff for new books is March 2nd or 3rd I think...

Awesome... so unless it's released the first weekend in March, I should be safe

AdeptiCon 2014 Registration begins in roughly 10 mins. Please have patience with the server as close to 1000 people will be attempting to grab tickets! If you have any trouble processing your order, please get in touch with us!

LOL 5 pm PST hits and the site crashes. D'oh!

LOL...I can't access the Contact Page. I think I ordered my VIP pass as I was redirected back from the Paypal page...but then your server hiccupped and I have't recieved any email confirmation

That was rough.

Through all of the bad gateways and after 20 minutes I got my tickets.

AArgghh! I got the 40k ticket and my weekend badge into my cart and then 502 error!

I'm regretting my volunteer voucher, as it adds one more complication to the checkout process.

Yep, I had like 5 art classes lined up...then never ending gate way crashes and I lost them all.

Whew. Made it. We lucky few...we band of brothers.

Time for me to give up trying to get a VIG badge - 1.30AM here and still trying to get to the last stage of the checkout process :(

Get my ticket, Kimchi! hahah, try doing all that stuff while in China! the Great Firewall of China makes it extra fun!

 Blackmoor wrote:
That was rough.

Through all of the bad gateways and after 20 minutes I got my tickets.

Have you gotten an email confirmation? Just wondering if I should buy the badge again?

The paypal receipt is the confirmation, I believe. Check whatever email you have your paypal account set to.


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Reecius,

Frankie said he was getting yours, dougs, and todds?

 Reecius wrote:
Get my ticket, Kimchi! hahah, try doing all that stuff while in China! the Great Firewall of China makes it extra fun!

Dude, change your paypal password when you get home. China has it now.

I keep failing right at the Express Checkout point - it's not transferring back to Adepticon.

Edit: Glorious success! 60 more VIG badges available as of right now. 146 40k Championship tickets. 34 "Friendly" tickets. 42 team tournament tickets.

@Kimchi

Frankie said he's on it but I wanted to try and double down to increase our odds.

@Jathkin

Never got far enough to put in the password! haha, kept getting 502 errors.

Registered for the 40k team tourney! That was quite painful.

Wow, Team Tournament sold out in 48 minutes.

Irritated that it error ed out on checkout 13 times and half of the stuff I wanted was registering for at the top for the hour are now sold out.

Just set myself up for a weekend of 40k!!...I am already pumped...

40k Champs
40k Warzone
40K team tourney...now I need to get a team hashed out as one player might be dropping...

Good luck to everyone and hope to see you there!!

And I'm a go! What a nightmare that was. Only took me 49 minutes of freeze and crash to get it all good. See everyone there.

Wow, it looks like the champs is going to sell-out in just over an hour too.

It took me 47 minutes and then I did my buddies and it took 2 minutes.

Damn, by the time the errors resolved the team event had sold out...

How do I register for the team event wait list?

 The Everliving wrote:
Damn, by the time the errors resolved the team event had sold out...

How do I register for the team event wait list?

Same here

I just sent an email to the contact us form with the list of our 4 team members... can't believe the team event sold out in an hour

Dangit. Wasn't able to get my VIG badge or get into the 40K friendly.

So disappointed!

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, it looks like the champs is going to sell-out in just over an hour too.

Yup, looks like it's gone.

As long as you pressed the purchase button, it would save even if the site crashed, I was through with 2-3 crashes on every step in 30 mins.

VIG Badge (Thursday night vendor hall here I come!)

All weekend - Warmachine/Hordes Iron Arena

Thursday (8am - 5pm) - Warmachine/Hordes Masters Heat 1

Friday (8am - 4pm) - Warmachine/Hordes Iron Arena Heat 1
Friday (5pm - 9pm) - Space Hulk Castobel Peril

Saturday - Will go shopping at local stores for clothes/stuff (I still haven't mad it to a Wal-Mart yet) , look at things at the convention, rest and start packing purchases away.

Sunday (7am - 5pm) - Warmachine/Hordes Commanders Crucible
Sunday Evening - Aftercon Mixer

Matthias / muwhe, is the wait list for the Team Tournament done in the order the request was received (via the "contact us" form)?

If so... is there any way to know where we are on that list ("Dakka Detachment 3", request submitted by Stephen Garber) and how likely it is that we'll get in?

I believe someone posted saying they were 20-deep on the wait list for the championships one year and got in, not sure what it's like for the team tournament... I'm hoping we're right at the top since I submitted the form just over an hour after registration went live...

Request submitted for wait list for team and friendly event. Have to defend my friendly event title from last year!

Fingers crossed we get into both.

Send wait list requests to info@adepticon.org

Thanks for struggling through that with us. Over 1000 people registered in the first 90 mins. Far exceeding last year. This process was just as painful last year if you recall...

Wait lists are first-come, first-served. Going to take me a few days to get through all this, but definitely get on wait lists.

Got in!
Though I wish the confirmation in your "my account" page showed if you are getting the full swag bag as it looks like more than 1000 have been sold already although the page still says Full swag available.

I got in on
WHFB How you use it on Thursday (evening event)
Friday Just a seminar on painting (will spend friday relaxing, demos, vendor hall ALOT and spending time with the wife - maybe take a run down to the battle bunker)
Friday Evening Painting Seminar
Sat/Sun WHFB 2-day Championship

It should say Partial now. We are over 1000 attendees. Once I have a second, I'll figure out the what Order Number corresponds to the cutoff point.

I have to say, if we get in on the wait list, I think this experience will make me appreciate it more... what utter insanity!

I will definitely be at AdeptiCon regardless of event registration to catch up with all the Dakka mods and folks, but fingers crossed on our Team Tournament chances

Well - you could always organize a Dakka event through AdeptiClubs:

http://cart.adepticon.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=41&products_id=991

Friday I've got sorted, it's the weekend that is pending wait list! Fingers, toes, all fully crossed that we are like #1 on the list

It was a slog but got a full weekend of 40k planned. Champs, friendly, and team(Greg Sparks 5).

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As long as you pressed the purchase button, it would save even if the site crashed

If this is true, where should I be able to see this, since I pressed the purchase button several times.

 Enslaviour wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As long as you pressed the purchase button, it would save even if the site crashed

If this is true, where should I be able to see this, since I pressed the purchase button several times.

If it's something that sold out in the meantime, it will be gone. Webcarts generally don't take the inventory qty off until checkout is completed, rather than when it is added to the cart.

 insaniak wrote:

 Enslaviour wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As long as you pressed the purchase button, it would save even if the site crashed

If this is true, where should I be able to see this, since I pressed the purchase button several times.

If it's something that sold out in the meantime, it will be gone. Webcarts generally don't take the inventory qty off until checkout is completed, rather than when it is added to the cart.

I know.....was hoping.....only really go for the team event, the rest is just filler for my friends and myself.

The thing that's a bit crazy to me about this whole process is that I really wonder how many additional people would sign up for these events if there were unlimited spots.

What I mean is that I feel like its kind of a case of having 1,000 spots available and 1,040 people interested in those spots, but those people are all so passionate about getting one of those 1,000 spots that they all crash the server trying to make sure they're not one of the 40 people left out in the cold. Its not so much that there are soooo many people trying to get the same thing, but rather there are just not quite enough spots and people that are super passionate that creates this feeding frenzy and site crashes.

I could be totally wrong, though...

Am I reading right that were on partial swag bags already? That's garbage. I tried to reg at 8, the site crashed, and because I'm waiting for it to calm down a bit, on day 1, I'm getting a partial?

horsegak.

W00t. Got a VIG badge.


Sorry folks, you'll have to deal with me at Adepticon 2014.

 cincydooley wrote:
Am I reading right that were on partial swag bags already? That's garbage. I tried to reg at 8, the site crashed, and because I'm waiting for it to calm down a bit, on day 1, I'm getting a partial?

horsegak.

Hey, don't feel like you have to candy coat your opinion and be polite about it. Let us know how you really feel!

I'm sure it's frustrating but not something to get overly upset about, either. Next year just be sure to strike a little quicker or see if someone will be wiling to hook you up with their swag bag, maybe? No point in cursing and making a fuss about it though, in my opinion.

Gotta agree with Reecius here...I've stuffed the bags the past 3 of my 4 years going and I will say good 90% of the time you find people giving away most of there bag anyways.

Will say it crashed on me during the checkout phase, but a reload or 2 got me back to it and got everything paid for.

 Reecius wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Am I reading right that were on partial swag bags already? That's garbage. I tried to reg at 8, the site crashed, and because I'm waiting for it to calm down a bit, on day 1, I'm getting a partial?

horsegak.

Hey, don't feel like you have to candy coat your opinion and be polite about it. Let us know how you really feel!

I'm sure it's frustrating but not something to get overly upset about, either. Next year just be sure to strike a little quicker or see if someone will be wiling to hook you up with their swag bag, maybe? No point in cursing and making a fuss about it though, in my opinion.

Didn't try to. I think it's garbage that you can get a partial bag when you try and register day 1 but can't due to site crashing. Maybe y'all can help out with people getting health care too.

I was in the "partial" bag stage last year, and I was given a full swag bag... I didn't find it to be too much of an issue.

Over the course of 30 minutes, 1400 people want the same item. There are only 1000 of that item. Someone won't get that item, it is just the way it is.

I am pretty sure we performed leaps and bounds better than healthcare.gov!

 Physh wrote:
Gotta agree with Reecius here...I've stuffed the bags the past 3 of my 4 years going and I will say good 90% of the time you find people giving away most of there bag anyways.

Will say it crashed on me during the checkout phase, but a reload or 2 got me back to it and got everything paid for.

We were filming a battle report at the shop, we had an alarm set for 7:45, promptly put it on pause and sat around 3 computers spamming f5 to make sure we got what we needed lol.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, Team Tournament sold out in 48 minutes.

I am guessing that that is due to the freeze errors everyone was encountering. Without the glitches, I bet the team tournie would have sold out in less than 20 minutes. I myself was logged in at 10 minutes to 7 and it took over an hour for me to get registered due to all the errors and slow page loads. Thankfully, Yellowbeard had better luck and nabbed a spot in the 40k team tournie.


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 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As long as you pressed the purchase button

You would think, but on my first attempt I nabbed a VIG badge and immediately went for checkout. I made it all the way to Paypal, filled out my credit card info, and hit the pay now button. Was redirected back to adepticon site where it said congratts and then the site crashed...both Paypal and the site admin had no record of the transaction. Thankfully I was able to order it a second time before they sold out .

The thing that's a bit crazy to me about this whole process is that I really wonder how many additional people would sign up for these events if there were unlimited spots.

Last year we had something like 60+ on the 40K Championship waitlist and 30+ teams on the 40K Team Tourney wait list.. It is hard to say as once the event sells out and the first batch send in waitlist requests. I imagine most people stop trying.

@Wyomingfox

No doubt it would have gone faster without the glitches. I almost forgot to log on and register and got on at 7:15. I had everything squared away by 7:40 and I only got the error screen once but it certainly wasn't moving fast.

muwhe wrote:

The thing that's a bit crazy to me about this whole process is that I really wonder how many additional people would sign up for these events if there were unlimited spots.

Last year we had something like 60+ on the 40K Championship waitlist and 30+ teams on the 40K Team Tourney wait list.. It is hard to say as once the event sells out and the first batch send in waitlist requests. I imagine most people stop trying.

Hey muwhe,

Could you update on how many of those teams got into the Team Tourney last year? And, were some of them informed well ahead of time (hopefully- and if so, around what timeframe?) and the last few just at the event itself? I've never been on a waitlist like this before so just curious what the process is.

Fingers crossed...

 Matthias wrote:
Over the course of 30 minutes, 1400 people want the same item. There are only 1000 of that item. Someone won't get that item, it is just the way it is.

I am pretty sure we performed leaps and bounds better than healthcare.gov!

p

Well, the site crashed. People couldn't register without slow page loads. So nope. I'd say nope.

Especially since the swag bag number is completely arbitrary in the first place. Make it time frame based. Not #s based. Especially due to the website problems.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Matthias wrote:
Over the course of 30 minutes, 1400 people want the same item. There are only 1000 of that item. Someone won't get that item, it is just the way it is.

I am pretty sure we performed leaps and bounds better than healthcare.gov!

p

Well, the site crashed. People couldn't register without slow page loads. So nope. I'd say nope.

Especially since the swag bag number is completely arbitrary in the first place. Make it time frame based. Not #s based. Especially due to the website problems.

The swag bag number is very much not arbitrary, its how much support they have from sponsors, vendors, etc, they don't do 1000 for no reason. If they did time frame based they'd be on the hook for like, another 500 full swag bags - that money has to come from somewhere.

It sucks dude, but that's the way it goes - they do a good job handling the traffic considering how crazy it is, could they handle it smoothly without a hiccup? Sure! Would it cost them more money and translate into additional costs for all of us? Darn tooting!

Target ninja'ed me, but swag bag #'s are not arbitrary. How many you can reasonably pursue from sponsors, plus how much branded shwag you'll put in, etc., all factors into how many you can actually provide. If you can't get a sponsor to give you 1400 minis for bags, you can't do 1400 bags (or however many).

 cincydooley wrote:
Well, the site crashed. People couldn't register without slow page loads. So nope. I'd say nope.

Especially since the swag bag number is completely arbitrary in the first place. Make it time frame based. Not #s based. Especially due to the website problems.

Actually the site never crashed. Max database connections exceeded - yep. excessive load due to 1400 people smashing their F5 key - yep. The first 1000 people get some extra stuff and that has to be managed. Sponsors are giving us stuff out of pocket for those bags, and we cannot assume/ask for more. Even if you didn't make the first 1000, you still get a swag bag. It might be missing a few items, but it isn't like you went from getting everything to nothing.

Matthias, you'd mentioned checking the registration number that was the last full swag bag, do you happen to know what that is?

Also quoting over my prior question since it got caught by the page rollover

 RiTides wrote:

muwhe wrote:

The thing that's a bit crazy to me about this whole process is that I really wonder how many additional people would sign up for these events if there were unlimited spots.

Last year we had something like 60+ on the 40K Championship waitlist and 30+ teams on the 40K Team Tourney wait list.. It is hard to say as once the event sells out and the first batch send in waitlist requests. I imagine most people stop trying.

Hey muwhe,

Could you update on how many of those teams got into the Team Tourney last year? And, were some of them informed well ahead of time (hopefully- and if so, around what timeframe?) and the last few just at the event itself? I've never been on a waitlist like this before so just curious what the process is.

Fingers crossed...

@Ritides -

I would say the odds are pretty good.


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As for swag bag items -

For any items that AdeptiCon controls the production of we produce in excess of 1500.

Many vendors supply quantities in excess of 1,000 .

We stuff bags until we run out of things to stuff them with...

Okay, well that helps then . I've been feeling like jerk #1 being the guy who was supposed to get our team registered, and coming in just a hair too late on it.

Cheers and I promise not to bother you guys about it for several days while you work out the list

I did the bare minimum last night at 7:00pm just to grab my 40k championship ticket, and then when I logged on a few hours later to grab some seminars for Friday they were all sold out.

I guess I will have to start working on a Taudar army so I can make the final 16 so I have something to do on Friday.


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 RiTides wrote:
Okay, well that helps then . I've been feeling like jerk #1 being the guy who was supposed to get our team registered, and coming in just a hair too late on it.

Cheers and I promise not to bother you guys about it for several days while you work out the list

The problem with the Team Tournament is that everyone just grabs a ticket knowing that they are hard to come by and then tries to find a team later. They is why the TT sells out so fast and some teams are left out.

 Blackmoor wrote:
I guess I will have to start working on a Taudar army so I can make the final 16 so I have something to do on Friday.

You could always organize a Dakkadakka AdeptiClubs event, volunteer, BS with Mike Mutscheller or do Jaegar shots with Brad.

So if I registered early enough to get the full swag bag (the checkout said I'd get a full one) what kind of stuff should I expect? I've never been to a convention of any type before, so I have no idea.

Idk what adepticons will be. But nova open this year had a sprue of 10 female zombies, a shot glass, a laser pointer, a small bits bag, some resin custom bases, some other sample type stuff. That's probably what you can expect out of adepticon I'd think. It's usually sample type stuff to get you informed and interested in their sponsors.

Usually you can expect to see a Unique mini (exclusive to the convention), every year Adepticon does one for Fantasy, Sci-Fi, and Sportsball.

Last year's:




Privateer Press has thrown starter sets into the bags the last few years.

Wow. I'm used to running swag bags- a t-shirt and a few coupons. Any of the above would be epic really.

Adepticons is usually pretty epic, last year mine had some random limited edition mini's/promo zombicide figures, as well as a hordes starterset.

And often, interesting little things that end up being really neat. Adepticon was the first place I saw (and received) GF9's "Tac Template," for example.

And if you're unusually fortunate in the year you attend ...

I bought extras of those.

 Inquisitor_Malice wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:
I guess I will have to start working on a Taudar army so I can make the final 16 so I have something to do on Friday.

You could always organize a Dakkadakka AdeptiClubs event, volunteer, BS with Mike Mutscheller or do Jaegar shots with Brad.

I heard last year what happens when Brad drinks..no thank you!

AdeptiCon 2014 Wait Lists
Current wait lists for all major events can be found here.

These lists will be updated as people receive tickets for each event. You might not see much movement right away, but with the rush of registration, we tend to see people buying stuff they really cannot commit to and they tend to request refunds down the road.

If at any point you would to be removed from a wait list, please let us know.

When a ticket becomes available, we will contact you to see if you are still interested in participating. You will have one week to respond before the ticket is passed on to the next person on the wait list. If you are still interested, you will need an active AdeptiCon webcart account and have purchased an AdeptiCon 2014 Weekend Badge (this can be bought when notified of an available wait list ticket).

Swag Bag Cutoff
We have exceeded 1000 registered attendees! Your Swag Bag status is determined by your Weekend Badge Order Number. If your Order Number is 8015 or lower, your are within the first 1000 registered attendees. Anyone who purchases a Weekend Badge going forward will still receive a Swag Bag (including the exclusive AdeptiCon miniatures), however it is not guaranteed to contain everything advertised from our sponsors.

Draft Rules
Here is the first set of event rules. These are all still considered in draft form.

Warhammer 40K Championships
Warhammer 40K Team Tournament
Warhammer Fantasy: The Return of the Big Brawl
Warhammer Fantasy: It's How You Use It Tournament
Warhammer Fantasy Championships
Warhammer Fantasy Team Tournament

Registered Teams lists are next!

7th on the wait list, not quite as high as I'd hoped. Any idea how many teams made it off the list last year / usually make it (just a guess?).

Also, I'm like the 990th attendee (put in the team request first then went back and got my pass).

We went through several teams...20ish I want to say and still were missing 5 full teams the day of the event (we had terrible weather leading into the weekend).

Ah, that's great to hear! (not about the weather, of course)

That's funny RiTides, I'm 6992 and got my badge and TT at the same time.

It's going to be a good time.

I'm in the low 20's for the Friendly, what do you think my chances of getting to play are?

Hard to say for sure given we have only 72 slots for the Friendly.

However, I am pretty certain that day of we will be looking to fill spots.

Friendly was set at 60 slots last year, sold out, and ran day of with 52. Some of that maybe due to weather, some due to people making the Championship 16 and others no shows.

Generally, if you are willing to roll the dice events are looking to fill slots morning of these events.

How will the new Inquisitorial Detachment be handled for the team tournament? Will you just be unable to take it since you can't take allies?

@TimmyMWD - Going to let it settle in for a few days but we are looking at how we will address it in the context of the AdeptICon Team Tourney format.

My personal opinion after having read the thing is that it does very little that allying in GK inquisition couldnt already do. Just allows you to do it with more armies (All Imperial). With that in mind if you are not allowing allies, I wouldnt allow this either. Really just allowed the SoB to have access to Inquisition again (which I approve of, but doesnt excuse GW from making a PROPER SoB codex.....come on GW) and allows the Inquisitors access to a more basic Space marine (red scorpions) that arent GK. My thoughts is no. Maybe a poll to see what people think with the criteria of no other allies being allowed in the tournament? BTW you guys run an awesome event....KEEP IT UP!!

I vow to make it into the Top16 of the Championships.....


.....assuming I get into the tournament.

I vow to not lose my first game again this year

.....assuming my opponent doesn't beat me!

My plane landed last Thursday at 8:30 PM CST. I was home about 10 PM CST. Missed out on registering for my events.

It sucks, but was completely out of my hands. I'm on the waiting list, though.

 Reecius wrote:
I vow to not lose my first game again this year

.....assuming my opponent doesn't beat me!

You will win until you play Paul Murphy.

 TimmyMWD wrote:
How will the new Inquisitorial Detachment be handled for the team tournament? Will you just be unable to take it since you can't take allies?

The Warhammer 40K Team Tournament rules have been updated to deal with Codex Inquisition:

http://www.adepticon.org/14rules/201440Kteam.pdf

Make sure to refresh the page. Last Update should read 11.18.2013

 Matthias wrote:
Survey results blog post early next week I think.

I think that most people do not care too much about all of the questions that you asked (for example: point limits).

I might be wrong, but the question that seems to have sparked the most interest (and really the only interest) is the Forge World question. I would like to know what experienced tournament players have to say on this matter. There is so much noise on the internet that it is hard to tell exactly what people really think of it.

I would not be surprised if 90% were for it, or if 90% against it.

I'm really looking forward to my fist shot at Adepticon. I have been wanting to go for years and finally my schedule allows for it! I'm just really excited to meet some players outside of the Northern Ohio area

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Matthias wrote:
Survey results blog post early next week I think.

I think that most people do not care too much about all of the questions that you asked (for example: point limits).

I might be wrong, but the question that seems to have sparked the most interest (and really the only interest) is the Forge World question. I would like to know what experienced tournament players have to say on this matter. There is so much noise on the internet that it is hard to tell exactly what people really think of it.

I would not be surprised if 90% were for it, or if 90% against it.

No disrespect intended here, but I don't think we need another thread hijacked by this question.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Matthias wrote:
Survey results blog post early next week I think.

I think that most people do not care too much about all of the questions that you asked (for example: point limits).

I disagree here- I think there's been quite an interest in point levels for tournaments lately! Almost as hot a topic as the FW issue, and that's saying something

 krootman. wrote:

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Matthias wrote:
Survey results blog post early next week I think.

I think that most people do not care too much about all of the questions that you asked (for example: point limits).

I might be wrong, but the question that seems to have sparked the most interest (and really the only interest) is the Forge World question. I would like to know what experienced tournament players have to say on this matter. There is so much noise on the internet that it is hard to tell exactly what people really think of it.

I would not be surprised if 90% were for it, or if 90% against it.

No disrespect intended here, but I don't think we need another thread hijacked by this question.

There is no debate, just numbers.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Reecius wrote:
I vow to not lose my first game again this year

.....assuming my opponent doesn't beat me!

You will win until you play Paul Murphy.

I'll beat him this year I tell you!!

I shudder to think what clothing will go missing if you play Paul this year Reece. It can only escalate from last year I'd think...

Warhammer 40K Championships Survey Results have been posted to the AdeptiCon 2014 Development Blog.

Nice, thanks for posting that! I really like the summary:

AdeptiCon 2014 Development Blog wrote:These results were considered along with verbal feedback received during and after AdeptiCon, the changes to the Warhammer 40K rules mentioned above, and how the Warhammer 40K Championships fit into our overall tournament offerings. Our conclusions:

The Championships will remain at 1850 points.
Round times will be expanded to 2 hrs and 45 mins.
Forge World will not be included in the Warhammer 40K Championships, but will remain a component of other tournaments.
Terrain placement will be similar to last year.

We would once again like to thank those that took the time to respond to the survey. The motto of AdeptiCon has always been, “By Gamers, for Gamers” and that is never more evident than when our valued attendees take the time to make their voices heard. We look forward to seeing you all at AdeptiCon 2014!

- AdeptiCon 2014 Staff (and their significant others)

P.S. Current draft rules for the AdeptiCon 2014 Warhammer 40K Championships can be found here.

 Matthias wrote:
Warhammer 40K Championships Survey Results have been posted to the AdeptiCon 2014 Development Blog.

Well these were interesting.

Points
71% wanted 1850 and keeping with the status quo
The only other significant block was 17% for 1500 points. That tells me that people might be open to lower point games.

Time
This question asked if last year the 2.5 hour rounds are enough. Only 14% said that it was not enough time but the problem is that Demons (for the most part), Tau and Eldar were not there and those codexes can take a long time to play. Since those codexs were released tournaments have struggled to finish games on time.

Forge World
Over 50% of the field said they did not want forge world, and only 20% wanted unrestricted forge world.

Terrain (this is the one that surprised me)
57% wanted player placed terrain. I was uncomfortable with player placed terrain at first, but it was ok once I got use to it.

The one thing that I did not like from last year was that you placed objectives after choosing table sides and I thought that was an issue.
For example:
#1. Everyone buried their objectives on the very back edge of the board.
#2. If there was an odd number of objectives one person would have a huge advantage.
Personally I think that objectives should be placed before table sides to create a more even distribution of objectives since you do not know where you are going to start.

I actually missed that about the FW question- I didn't realize the middle choice was "restricted" (0-1) and that only 19% of people chose "unrestricted". That's pretty interesting! But you do have around half who were open to "restricted", but again less than 20% who wanted full-on allowance.

One thing to note Blackmoor, is that although they didn't get an overwhelming response on time issues, AdeptiCon did increase the round time in order to stay at 1850. So that (increased time) is a really big positive, imo!

Most of these results are not very surprising, and it's good that this effort was performed to pull them in and help verify the way attendees actually feel about it. More super kudos to AdeptiCon.

The "vast majority for at least restricted, majority against including at all" vote on "40k Approved" Forgeworld jives with the feedback we received last year when we invited attendees to share their opinion with us along similar lines.

I think the key is to also remember the target audience of the survey namely the 40K Championship attendees, an event that has traditionally ran at 1850 pts, and without Forge world.

As such I expected the Forge world question to be a bigger split, in the context of the Championship, than the final result ended up. ( 52/48 split ).

muwhe wrote:
I think the key is to also remember the target audience of the survey namely the 40K Championship attendees, an event that has traditionally ran at 1850 pts, and without Forge world.

As such I expected the Forge world question to be a bigger split, in the context of the Championship, than the final result ended up. ( 52/48 split ).

I see a lot of people lumping in the limited FW with the unlimited FW crowd. To me there is a big difference between the two.

As everyone knows I am anti-forge world, but I would not mind a 0-1 limit on FW. I look at it as 80% of people wanting restrictions on Forge World, and only 20% want unlimited access.

@Blackmoor -

Just looking at the same glass half empty or half full ... but yes .. : )

muwhe wrote:
@Blackmoor -

Just looking at the same glass half empty or half full ... but yes .. : )

Haha . But yeah, I agree on this- the "internet discussion" has been very "all or nothing". But over 80% of people being against "all", at least in this (post Championships) survey kind of puts the kibosh on the idea that there is a near-universal desire for "all" inclusive, no restrictions.

But the fact that there are almost 50% of folks (EVEN BLACKMOOR, lads ) who would be open to restricted FW allowance means the middle ground position of allowing it, but with restrictions, is pretty viable!

So I'm a big fan of that survey, I'd like to see that same question asked after other events if possible

I like the team tourney restrictions. I can bring lots of forgeworld but I can't spam it. So a unit of grot tanks, a mega grot tank, a mega dread is ok. It prevents having to play against possibly 18 grot tanks and 3 mega grot tanks worst case

I voted for restricted but I'm against unrestricted FW. Interesting information.

The one thing that I did not like from last year was that you placed objectives after choosing table sides and I thought that was an issue.

@Blackmoor - Not a pretty pie chart but the results of that question

After placing objectives - 50.00%
Before placing objectives - 39.42%
No preference - 10.58%

muwhe wrote:

The one thing that I did not like from last year was that you placed objectives after choosing table sides and I thought that was an issue.

@Blackmoor - Not a pretty pie chart but the results of that question

After placing objectives - 50.00%
Before placing objectives - 39.42%
No preference - 10.58%

Thanks Hank!

I wonder why 39% want to place objectives after choosing table sides. Anyone who voted that way want to state their reasoning?

Too bad on FW, but it was as close as I would have guessed. Our closing poles showed a movement towards acceptance of FW after being exposed to it. I think a lot of this is people just choosing to stick with the status quo. We got a lot of that in our polls this year.

Blackmoor, hahaha, you see the numbers in an interesting way, but I suppose we all bring our own biases to the table.

The big one I wanted to see change was book objective placement. It can result in such lop-sided games. I would love to see more restrictions on placement and points values for objectives to make it more even, but no matter what, I will be there and having fun!

Is there more than one way to see the numbers? Nearly 8/10 are against broad use of forty k approved, while 5.5/10 are against any at all. Simple and easy.

The only disappointment for me is player placed terrain, but since it allowed me to beat a competitive peer off a single pregame dice roll last year I don't suppose I should complain overly.

RiTides at least a couple events have performed similar polling. In the case of many, I do think there's some natural proclivity of those who enjoy an event to vote toward a similar event. The champs last year were a lot of fun, so why would most of us want to see dramatic change? The loudest complainers are often in the smallest minority.

MVBrandt wrote:
Is there more than one way to see the numbers? Nearly 8/10 are against broad use of forty k approved.

Because that is not accurate assessment of the survey.

Players were given three options, so for example we don't know what the results would have been if the survey asked a 50/50 question like: Would you prefer IA be allowed (full stop) or would you prefer no IA be allowed (full stop). We obviously know the same people who voted against any IA use would have voted the same way, but we don't know how many of the other side would have instead voted for complete IA inclusion if that was their only other option.

So you can safely say that 52% of players are against any IA inclusion in the champs, and you can say that 48% are for some sort of IA inclusion in the champs, but to say that roughly 80% aren't for full usage of IA in the champs is a false statistic based upon the questions asked.


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Also, I think we should all remember that this is just a targeted survey for a specific event that was answered by roughly 100 people. It absolutely SHOULD be used for that event (as these are the people playing in the event) but 100 people voting on one event shouldn't be spun into anything more than what it is (not saying you're doing that at all Mike, just pointing that out in general).

Also, I think we should all remember that this is just a targeted survey for a specific event that was answered by roughly 100 people. It absolutely SHOULD be used for that event (as these are the people playing in the event) but 100 people voting on one event shouldn't be spun into anything more than what it is (not saying you're doing that at all Mike, just pointing that out in general).

+ 1

Yeah, and you have to assume that people without strong opinions were less likely to vote.

So, not only does this survey only apply to this event, it only shows the views of those with relatively strong opinions.

While not scientific, its reasonable to assume that more people are okay with FW than the survey indicates.

MVBrandt wrote:
The only disappointment for me is player placed terrain, but since it allowed me to beat a competitive peer off a single pregame dice roll last year I don't suppose I should complain overly.

I think it would be a more interesting discussion to determine what alternative tactics could have been applied during the game. I have lost games due to terrain placement simply due to the fact that I did not adapt tactically or my strategy did not work. This is not a rip on Jeremy, but I find it hard to see where one terrain placement equals automatic game over.

As an aside and this is my opinion, static boards with a standard setup allow for predictability in game play. This limits strategic/tactical options and therefore limits the number of forces that can optimally perform. This hyper focus kills variety.

 Inquisitor_Malice wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
The only disappointment for me is player placed terrain, but since it allowed me to beat a competitive peer off a single pregame dice roll last year I don't suppose I should complain overly.

I think it would be a more interesting discussion to determine what alternative tactics could have been applied during the game. I have lost games due to terrain placement simply due to the fact that I did not adapt tactically or my strategy did not work. This is not a rip on Jeremy, but I find it hard to see where one terrain placement equals automatic game over.

As an aside and this is my opinion, static boards with a standard setup allow for predictability in game play. This limits strategic/tactical options and therefore limits the number of forces that can optimally perform. This hyper focus kills variety.

I agree; that's why (for us) at NOVA we are working with different layouts on multiple days, but consistent layouts on each board each round, so tactics must diversify and people can't game the terrain (this needs us to make more terrain, btw, so hardly a perfect resolution in the first year haha). Thus, variety, tactical complexity and fairness all combined.

In this case, I was able to place a three+ level piece of terrain with all my firepower on top and largely prevent him doing anything about getting at it due to the type of list he had and being able to ring it with expendable guard squads. Had the overly dominant piece been mirrored (LOS blockage) or not given to just one person's deployment zone, it would have been a more complex and challenging game. He still gave me quite a run!

The terrain placed vs. fixed argument is a consistent one, and I have my opinion on it, but obviously I don't HATE the alternative as I was supportive and attendant to the event last year, and complimentary after the fact. I just don't think it's ideal, and personally think it adds a level of entirely random unfairness to the game that doesn't need to be there in a tournament setting. I come from a sports background and a sports family, and never found a game of Baseball or Football unfair or unstimulating because the fields didn't change. By letting me luck out and get to place terrain to my personal advantage and my opponent's decline, when terrain is a fixed feature of the game that cannot be subsequently altered, a single early game dice roll was able to give me a MARKED advantage. Jeremy did his best to work with it, but we are peers ... he was not going to just outsmart me into giving up a massive advantage after I had it, and thus the outcome. While there's an EXTREMELY intellectually obvious component to terrain placement (I won the roll, I get to dictate this, there are super obvious advantages I now get to take), it's also entirely random who gets the advantage. Thus, it derives a handicap for one player over another at the drop of a dice. If the players are of roughly equal skill, you've now added a component to the tournament that you did not need to (6th edition rulebook rules allow for player-placed terrain and non-player-placed terrain) that provides a tip to the balance otherwise derived by their similar skill levels.

That said, it has no bearing either way on my decision to attend // my love for AdeptiCon. I'd also not like it to be lost in the longer paragraph, my initial comment that I entirely agree with you about there being downsides to the exact same terrain every round (downsides that can be corrected in ways other than putting terrain advantages in the hands of a single dice roll).

I love terrain placement. I feel it makes assault armies viable, which would other-wise be unuseable on a Nova board. It also adds another level of tactical play while taking very little time.

Of course, you still need to have fair terrain. Ie. 2 Ruins, 2 Hills, 2 LOSB, 2 Forest. Two of each means noone is getting screwed unless they do it to themselves. Their shouldn't be scenarios like the one Mike described.

On the topic of objectives, the setup with those last year was.. Less than optimal. I heard wayyy to many stories from good players losing because of a ridiclous disadvantage starting the game. To reference sports, starting one player with an extra objective or extra pts worth of objectives would be akin to starting a football game down 7 pts. Arguing that you have to plan on playing from behind is nonsense.

Either way, I can't wait for Adepticon '14! Gonna be a blast! Definitely looking forward to meeting up with all of my 40k acquantinces in one building.

Still no response on why people want objective placement after the roll for table sides.

I think we found out last year that whenever you had an odd number of objectives that it gave one player a huge advantage. Even when you have an even number of objectives it turns into a capture and control (Emperor’s Will?) mission since the objectives are all placed on the back board edge and everyone knows why that mission got the nickname “Roll dice and Tie” and “Draw Bore”.

@MVBrandt - I played quite a few sports in my time... Active play has been so long ago though that you youngins could not even imagine us old guys doing such things.

Upon reviewing your sports analogy, there are several influences that affect game play. Home field advantage (an advantage for one team over the other) and weather conditions (ie: in football - a random advantage goes to whoever wins the coin toss by letting them potentially choose the side not affected as much by the sun/wind either earlier or later in the game). Like in sports, the board/field is defined (in our case 4'x6'). Like in sports with varied conditions (ie: stadium and weather) any type of terrain setup, mission type, random player pairing, etc can give a player an advantage.

Ultimately - there are a number of different terrain options whether it's static boards of the same layout, static by judge placement, player placed, etc. I do not take any differences in opinion as a knock on any of the events throughout the world. Each event brings their unique feel to the game. Different options bring their pros and cons. But for greater variety and more tactical play, I give the nod to player placed terrain.


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 Blackmoor wrote:
Still no response on why people want objective placement after the roll for table sides. I think we found out last year that whenever you had an odd number of objectives that it gave one player a huge advantage.

I think if events took a page out of Epic 40K, it would allow for better objective placement.

First - the same number of objectives for each player or at least have the odd objective designated to be in a neutral position. This is nothing new since there are plenty of organizers who have done this throughout a number of events.

Second - in Epic 40K (if memory serves me correct), two of the three player placed objectives had to be in your opponents table half. This really mixes things up and I have found games of Epic 40K to be really engaging due to this dynamic.

The BAO Format does exactly this. Either you're placing half your objectives in your opponents deployment zone or you're putting some in the "neutral," zone.

Honestly, when I played Adepticon, the missions felt like an early version of the BAO Format.. Pre-Playtest. I mean no ill will by that, I just feel the guys out west have really nailed down a fair and balanced version of the dual-book-mission + secondaries idea. I don't understand why it isn't used over here at more events.

@Hippest

I agree, the missions in general were awesome, but player placed Objectives with book variables is a bummer.

We play test the crap out of our scenarios and document them frequently on YouTube and we've found it is more enjoyable to have as close to an even spread of objectives as possible. It's just more fun.

In my game 2 at Adepticon, I played an IG player in Hammer and Anvil with the Scouring and he has the 3,3,4 objectives as far away from me as possible and I had the 1,2,2 with my Nids having to march across the board into his army with a huge gap in terrain due to player placed terrain between us (which he wisely used to his advantage).

He had a HUGE advantage before the game started and I barely won due to some good luck. It was ultra lopsided before it began which is a cardinal sin of tournament scenario design, IMO.

That said, I love 95% of Adepticon's format, these are just minor critiques.

I enjoyed player placed terrain even though I was agaisnt it before trying it in a tournament format. As Adepticon uses big pieces of terrain and only about 6, it goes super fast and was really fun as it added another layer of player skill to the game. In Hammer and Anvil it can be a tad abusive but in general I really liked that.

BAO terrain doesn't really lend itself to that, we're actually looking at making big bases for terrain like Adepticon does to be able to implement that into our events.

As a suggestion on objective placing, one thing I really like that I saw DaBoyz GT has in their missions is this little addition:

DaBoyz GT Mission Packet wrote:
If there is an odd number of objectives, place one in the dead center of the table. Then each player gets half of the remaining objectives to place.

This is a really small but great tweak if Adepticon is still going to have player placed objectives, especially if random points are going to be used again. I really hope you guys look at using it, or something else, to prevent a repeat of what Blackmoor is talking about from last year where one player gets a natural advantage because they have more objectives in their deployment zone (which is made even worse when random points are used for each since they now also have much higher odds of getting a higher sum of objective points in their deployment zone). It was made a lot worst last year because the one mission that utilized this design also was hammer & anvil, which is fine as a deployment ype but when the two are put together repeatedly it can set up for very non-competitive games.

Hi Matthias,

What did you mean by this?

 Matthias wrote:
Registered Teams lists are next!

I'm guessing you mean posting up / going through the teams that have registered and filling out the members? I vaguely remember this from 2012 but it's been a little while

Just bringing this question back up to the top since I don't think Matthias / muwhe noticed it

That is part of it - but we have always just posted a list of participating team names. These can be found on the main AdeptiCon page (http://www.adepticon.org) under Registered Teams.

Ah got it, thanks for that!

What is Adepticon's rules committee current thoughts on dataslates, formations, escalation, stronghold assault, etc. for 40k...i.e. the champs, friendly, and team tourneys...for instance myself and my team are in construction of an army for the team event and the champs.......not really sure how to procede though...Do we need to be picking up a revenant titan for some D-weapon love?.......I will throw my thoughts in on that now....D-weapons are not for tourney play unless the tourney is built like the Gladiator...Personally I do not really even like the idea of formations that do not take up FOC space...anyways...just wondering where Adepticon is going to stand on this one...as Adepticon and the NOVA are oft followed tourney formats...The BAO format has really caught on for the west coast...but I know Frontline is having difficulty dealing with the rapid fire release of all the crazy stuff for 40k also...thanks for your thoughts in advance...

Gorress

My 2cents on this, formations and escalation are for narrative play. Not for tourney.....the allies matrix makes enough opportunity for creativity (read shenannigans) for people to enjoy. Stick with that and supplements (i.e. Iron Hands Clan whateveritwascalled).