New GW website is now online.
GW officially announced a gift upon reopening the website, showing a sprue of this miniature.
If you get this one, you are offered to buy the following one for 30$:
Also on FAQs missing:
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Last GW annual report said that relaunch of a bigger and improved GW webstore was planned for April.
Here some rumours from this week:
Tim on Faeit 212 wrote:GW Website
Launch day will be the 7th April!
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:the new GW web store will have it's final testing phase from 17th to 20th of march. Guess we can expect the new webstore in early april!
Older rumours say that FW products will be sold on it as well.
We will see what this relaunch means for remaining metal and finecast products.
Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. If such a thing is true then perhaps it might finally bring an end to the argument of whether or not FW is allowed in regular games. Regardless, color me interested.
I'll be very interested if my local shop could get forge world. I'm tempted but am not very stoaked about having to spend almost $500 before I get free shipping from FW direct. The local store option will open up getting one unit/model/book at a time and building the collection of FW stuff instead of having to go all at once to get the best deal and not get reamed by shipping.
Assuming Forgeworld will be integrated into the new site, then they will presumably follow regional pricing in line with other GW products. No change for the UK, maybe good news for the US, bad news for everyone else, especially Canada and Australiia.
willb2064 wrote: Assuming Forgeworld will be integrated into the new site, then they will presumably follow regional pricing in line with other GW products. No change for the UK, maybe good news for the US, bad news for everyone else, especially Canada and Australiia.
As someone with a Death Korps army to finish, this is my concern.
Now, considering I currently get dinged with duties and UPS fees for duties whenever I order something over $100 or so (it's kind of random when customs will assay something), alongside integrated VAT, I'm hopeful I'll come out slightly ahead, or at least, at no worse.
What'd make my day is if my FLGS will be able to order FW with some kind of wholesale discount; currently direct order stuff is only like 15%, less, whereas "main" products are the usual much higher percentage (I think it's about 40%), but even if the "You don't live in 'murica" tax is the usualy 20%, I'll still come out slightly ahead.
The real perk'll be living close to the US border; I'm willing to be my group of friends will happily order a bunch of FW stuff, have it shipped to a store in Seattle or something and all cram into a car and collect some shiny resin at a decent discount, even from a GW store.
Consider me cautiously optimistic, but aware at how mercenary and petty GW can be.
Orkhead wrote: Agreed if Forge world was easier to come by and the books were available for my regular LGS I would be much more open to them.
I really don't get the "FW is so hard to come by" argument. You buy it online, just like you buy anything else online. Having the ability to order it through a local store doesn't help because, like most of what GW sells, it's not going to be on the shelf when you come in to buy it. So why drive out to a store, place an order, and then drive back to pick it up when you can just buy online from home and let UPS do all of the delivery work? The only thing adding FW to the "main" GW store will do is add the ability to give charity donations to your local independent store with more products.
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slk28850 wrote: I'll be very interested if my local shop could get forge world. I'm tempted but am not very stoaked about having to spend almost $500 before I get free shipping from FW direct. The local store option will open up getting one unit/model/book at a time and building the collection of FW stuff instead of having to go all at once to get the best deal and not get reamed by shipping.
Only if you completely ignore the cost of driving to and from the GW store. If you aren't going there already on a schedule that's convenient then it's easy for the cost of gas to be as much as the shipping cost. Let's say I want to buy a $100 tank from FW: I can pay $15, order it from home, and have UPS deliver it right to my door, or I could spend $10 in gas and a couple hours of time to get it from a store. I'll gladly pay the $5 for convenience. And, unlike driving costs and times, shipping costs aren't constant. If I order $50 worth of FW stuff I only pay $7.50 in shipping. If I buy $500 worth of FW stuff I pay nothing in shipping.
(This also applies to anything else GW sells. Unless you're just picking up a couple pots of paint while you're there to play a game the only reason to buy in person instead of online is to make a charity donation to a store that you like.)
Orkhead wrote: Agreed if Forge world was easier to come by and the books were available for my regular LGS I would be much more open to them.
I really don't get the "FW is so hard to come by" argument. You buy it online, just like you buy anything else online. Having the ability to order it through a local store doesn't help because, like most of what GW sells, it's not going to be on the shelf when you come in to buy it. So why drive out to a store, place an order, and then drive back to pick it up when you can just buy online from home and let UPS do all of the delivery work? The only thing adding FW to the "main" GW store will do is add the ability to give charity donations to your local independent store with more products.
I think what people are hoping for is the possibility of ordering on the online GW webpage and having it delivered free to your local GW store thus only really needing one trip to pick it up, but living 10 minutes walk from the local store I don't really care
l0k1 wrote: Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. .
That doesn't actually follow.
I would expect that if FW is integrated into the main website, it will be as direct only product. Forgeworld doesn't have the production capacity to supply wholesale accounts.
PotentiallyLethal wrote: I think what people are hoping for is the possibility of ordering on the online GW webpage and having it delivered free to your local GW store thus only really needing one trip to pick it up, but living 10 minutes walk from the local store I don't really care
That's what I'm talking about. Maybe that's more appealing in the UK where GW stores are everywhere, but my "local" GW store is still 25 miles away (and until a couple years ago there wasn't even one in the same state). So "free" shipping costs ~$7 worth of gas and an hour of driving, even if I can place the order online. I can't imagine how people are willing to pay $100 for a tank kit, but find the extra $7 for much more convenient delivery to be such a financial burden.
l0k1 wrote: Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. .
That doesn't actually follow.
I would expect that if FW is integrated into the main website, it will be as direct only product. Forgeworld doesn't have the production capacity to supply wholesale accounts.
The point is that most GW stockists can order anything on the (current) GW website, albeit at a lesser profit marge.
If FW products are sold via GW website AND this policy doesn't change, then most GW stockists can finally order FW products. As all are send from the Nottingham warehouse anyway, this is mostly a policy thing, not a big infrastructure thing.
BTWFW books were sold on the GW website for quite a while.
I still think the idea of FW being sold at a GW store or ordered with free delivery to a GW store is a pipe dream, a very large pipe dream.
Why would GW all of a sudden eat the shipping cost? Even if FW were to be carried in a GW stores, don't expect the full range, more like 'The 10 most popular items' kind of thing.
l0k1 wrote: Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. .
That doesn't actually follow.
I would expect that if FW is integrated into the main website, it will be as direct only product. Forgeworld doesn't have the production capacity to supply wholesale accounts.
The point is that most GW stockists can order anything on the (current) GW website, albeit at a lesser profit marge.
Unless the FW stuff is put up as "direct only."
Matt1785 wrote: Why would GW all of a sudden eat the shipping cost? Even if FW were to be carried in a GW stores, don't expect the full range, more like 'The 10 most popular items' kind of thing.
GW already ships stuff free to their stores. Adding FW kits changes nothing.
Kroothawk wrote:
The point is that most GW stockists can order anything on the (current) GW website, albeit at a lesser profit...
Not quite that simple. According to comments from a couple of retailers in the past, there are two 'grades' of Direct Only merchandise. One can be ordered by independents at a reduced discount. The other can not, and is only available through GW directly.
I would fully expect Forgeworld to go into the latter category.
I am not aware of any "direct only" product that my FLGS can't order. It can get even limited editions and could get the old Imperial Armour books while on the website. Of course, with GW's retracting from the market, they might easily decide that selling GW products should be reduced even more.
That said, this thread is more about the launch date. The FW rumour could be just wishlisting.
Kroothawk wrote: I am not aware of any "direct only" product that my FLGS can't order. It can get even limited editions and could get the old Imperial Armour books while on the website. Of course, with GW's retracting from the market, they might easily decide that selling GW products should be reduced even more.
Kroothawk wrote: We will see what this relaunch means for remaining metal and finecast products.
Why would it mean something for those? Have there been other rumours saying that the new site will effect them somehow?
A bit speculative, but why should they invest a lot of work hours into listing e.g. 50+ Space Marine HQ units, when metal and finecast are discontinued soon?
Orkhead wrote: Agreed if Forge world was easier to come by and the books were available for my regular LGS I would be much more open to them.
Forgeworld is no more difficult to order than any of the direct order items. You don't hear gaming groups getting in a twist over people fielding Eldar Grav Tanks which aren't available on general sale.
Living in Australia, I can only hope if FW becomes available through GW that it doesn't become more expensive. At the moment, FW infantry isn't actually too bad price wise, I really don't want to see it jump like everything else does.
It would be nice to be able to order stuff from the FLGS or GW store if it means I don't have to pay shipping, though. I rarely buy enough in one go to reach the free shipping threshold.
Orkhead wrote: Agreed if Forge world was easier to come by and the books were available for my regular LGS I would be much more open to them.
I really don't get the "FW is so hard to come by" argument. You buy it online, just like you buy anything else online. Having the ability to order it through a local store doesn't help because, like most of what GW sells, it's not going to be on the shelf when you come in to buy it. So why drive out to a store, place an order, and then drive back to pick it up when you can just buy online from home and let UPS do all of the delivery work? The only thing adding FW to the "main" GW store will do is add the ability to give charity donations to your local independent store with more products.
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slk28850 wrote: I'll be very interested if my local shop could get forge world. I'm tempted but am not very stoaked about having to spend almost $500 before I get free shipping from FW direct. The local store option will open up getting one unit/model/book at a time and building the collection of FW stuff instead of having to go all at once to get the best deal and not get reamed by shipping.
Only if you completely ignore the cost of driving to and from the GW store. If you aren't going there already on a schedule that's convenient then it's easy for the cost of gas to be as much as the shipping cost. Let's say I want to buy a $100 tank from FW: I can pay $15, order it from home, and have UPS deliver it right to my door, or I could spend $10 in gas and a couple hours of time to get it from a store. I'll gladly pay the $5 for convenience. And, unlike driving costs and times, shipping costs aren't constant. If I order $50 worth of FW stuff I only pay $7.50 in shipping. If I buy $500 worth of FW stuff I pay nothing in shipping.
(This also applies to anything else GW sells. Unless you're just picking up a couple pots of paint while you're there to play a game the only reason to buy in person instead of online is to make a charity donation to a store that you like.)
I understand what you're saying. If I don't go to my store it would cost about the same. Thing is I go to my local store anyway so there is no extra gas fee.
PotentiallyLethal wrote: I think what people are hoping for is the possibility of ordering on the online GW webpage and having it delivered free to your local GW store thus only really needing one trip to pick it up, but living 10 minutes walk from the local store I don't really care
That's what I'm talking about. Maybe that's more appealing in the UK where GW stores are everywhere, but my "local" GW store is still 25 miles away (and until a couple years ago there wasn't even one in the same state). So "free" shipping costs ~$7 worth of gas and an hour of driving, even if I can place the order online. I can't imagine how people are willing to pay $100 for a tank kit, but find the extra $7 for much more convenient delivery to be such a financial burden.
Welcome to my world when it comes to Infinity and Atomic Empire, Peregrine...
Matt1785 wrote: I still think the idea of FW being sold at a GW store or ordered with free delivery to a GW store is a pipe dream, a very large pipe dream.
Why would GW all of a sudden eat the shipping cost? Even if FW were to be carried in a GW stores, don't expect the full range, more like 'The 10 most popular items' kind of thing.
and yet they already did this for years, and quit in the last couple.
Matt1785 wrote: I still think the idea of FW being sold at a GW store or ordered with free delivery to a GW store is a pipe dream, a very large pipe dream.
Why would GW all of a sudden eat the shipping cost? Even if FW were to be carried in a GW stores, don't expect the full range, more like 'The 10 most popular items' kind of thing.
and yet they already did this for years, and quit in the last couple.
if i remember correctly, it took what? I week or two for the items to make it to the store, even though you "placed" your order at the store, I suspect either the store would only place 1 actual order a week for all customer orders or FW would only ship out once a week so i think its safe to assume the store order in general would prolly hit the FW free shipping limit
slk28850 wrote: I understand what you're saying. If I don't go to my store it would cost about the same. Thing is I go to my local store anyway so there is no extra gas fee.
But your local store isn't going to get free shipping to the store or any discount, so the only reason to buy FW stuff through a local store would be to give the local store a charity donation for letting you use their tables.
(I'm assuming your local store is an independent store, since no sane person would willingly spend significant time in a GW store if there's any alternative.)
Absolutely horrified by this, if regional pricing for Australia means that we get the ridiculous 'tax for no reason' on top of the already high price of Forge World, it could slam a door shut on my Horus Heresy collection. If it's just converted straight into AUD, no problem...but GW has never done that before. Really worried.
Marshal Loss wrote: Absolutely horrified by this, if regional pricing for Australia means that we get the ridiculous 'tax for no reason' on top of the already high price of Forge World, it could slam a door shut on my Horus Heresy collection. If it's just converted straight into AUD, no problem...but GW has never done that before. Really worried.
+1. If FW gets absurdly high Australian pricing, it will pretty much stop me buying any more FW stuff.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Afterall, what's the point of uploading PDFs, if the site is going to be remade anyway?
I'm not seeing the connection there.
Well, if the site is going to remade and moved around, wouldn't the attachment uploads have to be removed as well? I admit I am not that that well versed in web design.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Afterall, what's the point of uploading PDFs, if the site is going to be remade anyway?
I'm not seeing the connection there.
Well, if the site is going to remade and moved around, wouldn't the attachment uploads have to be removed as well? I admit I am not that that well versed in web design.
No, this isn't really a thing. If you're simply talking about downloadable PDFs there's no technical limitation/reason stopping you making those same files available on a new website, even if you move between architectures (eg php to asp). PDFs aren't compiled or anything.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Afterall, what's the point of uploading PDFs, if the site is going to be remade anyway?
I'm not seeing the connection there.
Well, if the site is going to remade and moved around, wouldn't the attachment uploads have to be removed as well?
I admit I am not that that well versed in web design.
No, this isn't really a thing. If you're simply talking about downloadable PDFs there's no technical limitation/reason stopping you making those same files available on a new website, even if you move between architectures (eg php to asp). PDFs aren't compiled or anything.
I didn't mean permanently removed, I meant they would have to upload them again after the redesign.
Of course, it probably doesn't work like that.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Afterall, what's the point of uploading PDFs, if the site is going to be remade anyway?
I'm not seeing the connection there.
Well, if the site is going to remade and moved around, wouldn't the attachment uploads have to be removed as well?
I admit I am not that that well versed in web design.
No, this isn't really a thing. If you're simply talking about downloadable PDFs there's no technical limitation/reason stopping you making those same files available on a new website, even if you move between architectures (eg php to asp). PDFs aren't compiled or anything.
I didn't mean permanently removed, I meant they would have to upload them again after the redesign.
Of course, it probably doesn't work like that.
Uploading a couple of megabytes worth of files and creating links to them is mostly trivial.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Uploading a couple of megabytes worth of files and creating links to them is mostly trivial.
Particularly since their website software would most likely be creating the links anyway. So it's just a matter of uploading the files again, assuming that they can't just re-use the same links as they have now, which is also possible.
Marshal Loss wrote: Absolutely horrified by this, if regional pricing for Australia means that we get the ridiculous 'tax for no reason' on top of the already high price of Forge World, it could slam a door shut on my Horus Heresy collection. If it's just converted straight into AUD, no problem...but GW has never done that before. Really worried.
+1. If FW gets absurdly high Australian pricing, it will pretty much stop me buying any more FW stuff.
Well, I hate to break it to you guys but that is probably how it is going to be. However it is not all doom.
When I worked for the great enemy we had all the forge world items in the computer and what their regional prices were, so you could order it through a GW store (or at the time games day) at the regional set price. Or just order it through the FW site and get it at whatever exchange was (which was much lower).
Not that my word is worth much, and not trying to become a rumor monger here, but this lines up with what I was told by someon that attended the recent management meeting in Texas.
They also told me that the US warehouse contains FW, and that his impression of the very little info he got from GW higher ups was that FW would be in-store or at least shippable to stores. Exciting!
Marshal Loss wrote: Absolutely horrified by this, if regional pricing for Australia means that we get the ridiculous 'tax for no reason' on top of the already high price of Forge World, it could slam a door shut on my Horus Heresy collection. If it's just converted straight into AUD, no problem...but GW has never done that before. Really worried.
+1. If FW gets absurdly high Australian pricing, it will pretty much stop me buying any more FW stuff.
Well, I hate to break it to you guys but that is probably how it is going to be. However it is not all doom.
When I worked for the great enemy we had all the forge world items in the computer and what their regional prices were, so you could order it through a GW store (or at the time games day) at the regional set price. Or just order it through the FW site and get it at whatever exchange was (which was much lower).
Except if they combine the websites themselves, it will probably mean that we can no longer order direct from FWUK and will have to order through the Australian FW equivalent with Australian prices, the same as we do now.
Back in the day you used to be able to order direct from GWUK and have them ship it to Australia How times have changed.
Yes. A month ago I posted a thread about this. Memphis will stock the fw & bl stuff, GW stores downloading new cr software, and GW website combining fw an bl into one. Have a nice day!
several anonymous sources on faeit212 wrote:New Website New website is more streamlined. A lot of faster, drop down menus to direct you faster to your selection.
Indicators on items: Delayed shipping due to stock level, Direct Order Only, Limited Availability.
Black Library Black Library: Digital Editions are purchasable in stores. Essentially allowing stores to benefit from the purchase of Digital Editions. Customer essentially purchases at Order Point, pays in store, and can go to tablet (laptop, etc) and download.
Forgeworld Forge World tab is missing from the new test site. Currently Forge World is still at the bottom of the page, giving a link to their main website.
- Speculated that this is going to be the norm until production levels or distribution centers are increased.
- Speculation that a tab will be launched with new website but GW is remaining silent, considering non-disclosure agreements.
The way it is sounding, is that the new website is just upgraded software with a few bells and whistles; nothing screaming revolutionary. I am cautious on the Forge World part now, it still seems likely but increase in demand (due to easier shipping) would result in needing: More personnel to meet production demand, people need to realize that Forge World is practically a made to order company, they do not have the production capacity or staff levels of GW (in fact they are at about 25% the size).
In other words: GW fears that FW would sell like crazy, so they stopped the plan, avoiding an unwanted rise in revenue.
Or this part of the rumour was crap from the start
chiefbigredman wrote: WAIT
If there are no specialist games (in the sections) do you think I should just go download as much of the rules and stuff for Mordhiem etc???
chiefbigredman wrote: WAIT
If there are no specialist games (in the sections) do you think I should just go download as much of the rules and stuff for Mordhiem etc???
Yes, please DL all the Specialist games PDF's. They are all awesome games, and I'm quite sure that with the new site launch they will take the opportunity to erase all traces of the Specialist games stuff from existence.
chiefbigredman wrote: WAIT
If there are no specialist games (in the sections) do you think I should just go download as much of the rules and stuff for Mordhiem etc???
I went and did this a couple of weeks back as I'm still pissed that a bunch of the Apocalypse data sheets disappeared without warning. And don't get me started on all the free modelling and conversion articles they used to have (CoD modular terrain, how to build a Land Raider Ares, anyone?!)
Kroothawk wrote: Just for the record, here some pics found by natfka that supposedly show the new website design:
<snip>
"Hey GW, the 90s called, they want their webstore design back!"
I mean, seriously, I get it's just a webstore, and I haven't even used it since the bits service went away, but could they possibly have made this any more bland?
Also, is it only me or does it look like they even did away with their news section (that pseudo-blog thingy, whatever it is called)?
Also, is it only me or does it look like they even did away with their news section (that pseudo-blog thingy, whatever it is called)?
Ah, it's about time they got rid of what's new today / white dwarf daily / terrible terrible time. It's been awful for ages. I actually won't be sorry to see it go - it's just kind of a bitter reminder of how something like that could be done really well, but GW aren't remotely interested in doing it well
Peregrine wrote:
Why provide news for free when you can put it in White™ Dwarf™ Weekly™?
Of course, how could I ever forget this pinnacle of news media! Silly me.
Bull0 wrote:
Ah, it's about time they got rid of what's new today / white dwarf daily / terrible terrible time. It's been awful for ages. I actually won't be sorry to see it go - it's just kind of a bitter reminder of how something like that could be done really well, but GW aren't remotely interested in doing it well
I agree wholeheartedly, I just find this implicit admission of their own incompetence slightly embarassing.
Something to look at, the new Imperial Gaurd, Astra Militarium or whatever they want to call it, comes out early April, has its new pretty name and the website launches on the 7th, which is probably shortly after the new IG with thier name change. Why is it still called Imperial Gaurd in the lefthand column? It's not translation, they have "Adeptis Sororitis" on there. I call fake, someone giving everyone a nice ride but didn't read up.
Allod wrote: I agree wholeheartedly, I just find this implicit admission of their own incompetence slightly embarassing.
"Slightly embarrassing" could be their new motto at this point =(
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Shamanlord1961 wrote: Something to look at, the new Imperial Gaurd, Astra Militarium or whatever they want to call it, comes out early April, has its new pretty name and the website launches on the 7th, which is probably shortly after the new IG with thier name change. Why is it still called Imperial Gaurd in the lefthand column? It's not translation, they have "Adeptis Sororitis" on there. I call fake, someone giving everyone a nice ride but didn't read up.
It's actually not as a good as a point as you think. Sisters have always been called Adeptus Sororitas in Germany. Besides, the design is probably not done in-house. It looks like just a streamlining and tablet-friendlification to me, the designers probably have just taken the old content and put it into a new format.
And honestly I can't see a reason why anybody would fake this.
Ragnar69 wrote: It's actually not as a good as a point as you think. Sisters have always been called Adeptus Sororitas in Germany. Besides, the design is probably not done in-house. It looks like just a streamlining and tablet-friendlification to me, the designers probably have just taken the old content and put it into a new format.
And honestly I can't see a reason why anybody would fake this.
You might be right about it being good for tablets. When I use my Ipad mini to go on their website it is such a pain to click stuff sometimes....
I don't really mind this set up for the website but I do wish they would have an area where they have all the old articles stored (the ones that are nearly impossible to find now or are gone all together)
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Both Whats New Today and the new website will go live on April 11th. The site will be easier to navigate, and comes with a lot of new features, some of which are not on the test sites. Forgeworld will be there eventually, but is not right now.
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Both Whats New Today and the new website will go live on April 11th. The site will be easier to navigate, and comes with a lot of new features, some of which are not on the test sites. Forgeworld will be there eventually, but is not right now.
sounds like back peddling in the face of another wrong rumor
sounds like back peddling in the face of another wrong rumor
This.
Forge World can never be on that site, because traditional pressure-mould-hand-cast resin that takes a few hours to set and harden simply can't be produced in those quantities.
By default, if they'd want to ramp up production enough to enter "GW main", they'd need to port it to plastic or the (harden-in-seconds-good-for-spin-casts) Finecast.
sounds like back peddling in the face of another wrong rumor
This.
Forge World can never be on that site, because traditional pressure-mould-hand-cast resin that takes a few hours to set and harden simply can't be produced in those quantities.
By default, if they'd want to ramp up production enough to enter "GW main", they'd need to port it to plastic or the (harden-in-seconds-good-for-spin-casts) Finecast.
Do you really think that one extra click is a barrier to sales sufficient to prevent FW going into meltdown?
They talk about FW releases in "what we're pushing today" there's a direct (albeit small, I'll concede) link through to the site from the main GW page. I'd argue the price is a far more effective barrier to FW selling in volumes outside of their capacity, but I guess that argument is losing substance with each new release.
Do you really think that one extra click is a barrier to sales sufficient to prevent FW going into meltdown?
A "meltdown"? No.
But I believe it would be inefficient to "pre-cast" Forge World stuff and ship it, and stock it, at GWs various hubs around the world, making it available to the same conditions (speed of shipping, free shipping, etc..).
The current Forge World range is largely tiny quantities of "cast-on-demand" when stuff is ordered, with the likely exception of high-volume "sale-on-release" like the HH Primarchs, etc..
But it just doesn't make sense to stock, say, an Eldar Nightwing and a Tyranid Malanthrope, etc.. in every hub around the world, when only ~2 of them are sold a year, upon which a Forge World guy goes and picks the mould from the cellar, pours in resin, watches a Champions League Match and springs it from the mould the next morning to ship it.
I could imagine perhaps a system similar to how the current ("old") webstore works with Black Library. The ~10 top sellers of a given month are in there, stocked by GW hubs around the world, so they can chuck the book in if you order it with your Tac Marines, but don't hold the entire range. But even that is stretching it, as even BL books are printed in advance (and, like most stuff in the book trade, destroyed after period X to free up storage room). The system applied to FW would probably also mean piles of Forge World stuff destroyed at every hub every month or so if it doesn't sell.
You've made a critical assumption that they would ship FW product in the same manner as GW.
There's no reason why it couldn't have a disclaimer along the lines of "FW takes x amount of extra time to ship" and just carry on behind the scenes like normal.
azreal13 wrote: You've made a critical assumption that they would ship FW product in the same manner as GW.
There's no reason why it couldn't have a disclaimer along the lines of "FW takes x amount of extra time to ship" and just carry on behind the scenes like normal.
Possibly.
Still, why feth up the shiny new webstore with ugly disclaimers, which the 13-year-olds will still not read (and complain later), when you have a perfectly fine FW website and brand-separation to do that job for you.
If you carry on behind the scenes as normal, what advantages are there to adding Forge World to the GW-shop, other than trolling the GW customer-service guys? The FW fans will find their fix on the Forge World site easy enough, and the "new-to-this-loooook!-Sternguard"-crowd isn't the target audience of FW anyhow.
Also, FW is how GW squeezes a second customer-cycle out of customers bored of the main-range. You don't wanna waste that come-back-bullet the first time round, no?
Between the rumours of FW in store shipping and the plastic medusa I was looking forward to April. We'll see if the month is awesome or awesome for my wallet.
PotentiallyLethal wrote: I think what people are hoping for is the possibility of ordering on the online GW webpage and having it delivered free to your local GW store thus only really needing one trip to pick it up, but living 10 minutes walk from the local store I don't really care
That's what I'm talking about. Maybe that's more appealing in the UK where GW stores are everywhere, but my "local" GW store is still 25 miles away (and until a couple years ago there wasn't even one in the same state). So "free" shipping costs ~$7 worth of gas and an hour of driving, even if I can place the order online. I can't imagine how people are willing to pay $100 for a tank kit, but find the extra $7 for much more convenient delivery to be such a financial burden.
I think the original point was a Canadian ordering stuff into a US store, so is getting the favourable exchange rate rather than the free shipping. Say GW stuff is 10-20% cheaper if you buy it from the US, it'll still become worth the trip when the order is big enough to justify the fuel costs. We're only talking about a relatively short hop across the border to save a lot of money, people do that all the time.
Herzlos wrote: I think the original point was a Canadian ordering stuff into a US store, so is getting the favourable exchange rate rather than the free shipping. Say GW stuff is 10-20% cheaper if you buy it from the US, it'll still become worth the trip when the order is big enough to justify the fuel costs. We're only talking about a relatively short hop across the border to save a lot of money, people do that all the time.
But that's an "advantage" you only get access to because "core" GW's international price differences are completely stupid. FW just bills you in GBP and lets your credit card company figure out the exchange rate, there would be absolutely no benefit from going across the border to buy FW stuff unless GW moves it into the "core" system and raises Canadian prices while keeping US prices constant. There is no way that would be an improvement for anyone compared to how it is now.
Commisar on Warseer wrote:Just noticed:
The Forge World, Digital Editions and Warhammer World Facebook pages are down.
And the "Follow us on Facebook / Twitter" buttons have disappeared from the Forge World Website.
Local Games Workshop store Facebook pages still up.
Not sure if this is permanent or a side effect of the website relaunch, maybe with a facebook relaunch.
azreal13 wrote: You've made a critical assumption that they would ship FW product in the same manner as GW.
There's no reason why it couldn't have a disclaimer along the lines of "FW takes x amount of extra time to ship" and just carry on behind the scenes like normal.
Possibly.
Still, why feth up the shiny new webstore with ugly disclaimers, which the 13-year-olds will still not read (and complain later), when you have a perfectly fine FW website and brand-separation to do that job for you.
If you carry on behind the scenes as normal, what advantages are there to adding Forge World to the GW-shop, other than trolling the GW customer-service guys? The FW fans will find their fix on the Forge World site easy enough, and the "new-to-this-loooook!-Sternguard"-crowd isn't the target audience of FW anyhow.
Also, FW is how GW squeezes a second customer-cycle out of customers bored of the main-range. You don't wanna waste that come-back-bullet the first time round, no?
Because 13 year olds are buying Forgeworld models with all their superfluous disposable income. They're trying to consolidate things. That's not exactly a bad thing or a good thing, just a thing.
I buy everything from my FLGS because they provide 12 tables with enough terrain for 24. I'd like their doors to not close. Secondly, I can just shoot the manager an email and he orders my stuff. When it comes in, they hold it until I'm ready, including not forcing me to buy it all at once. I basically get to use them as a GW credit card. On top of that, miniatures market is about the same distance to me, and i could actually go into their store and buy it at 20% off, but still choose to support my FLGS. So, I hope they can order FW, too, even if it takes a couple weeks like GW bit orders do.
FW confirmed to a customer, that they consiously quitted facebook (reposted from BolS):
FW Customer Service wrote:It is with regret that Forge World has decided to stop its Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest sites. As these sites have grown in popularity over recent years it has become increasingly difficult to give them the support and attention required from within the FW team. Therefore we have taken the difficult decision to stop them completely.
In other words: Due to its popularity, we decided to quit facebook and twitter So it doesn't look like they want to expand their presence on a redesigned GW website
Kroothawk wrote: FW confirmed to a customer, that they consiously quitted facebook (reposted from BolS):
FW Customer Service wrote:It is with regret that Forge World has decided to stop its Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest sites. As these sites have grown in popularity over recent years it has become increasingly difficult to give them the support and attention required from within the FW team. Therefore we have taken the difficult decision to stop them completely.
In other words: Due to its popularity, we decided to quit facebook and twitter So it doesn't look like they want to expand their presence on a redesigned GW website
Although (with uncharacteristic restraint) you've only implied how idiotic this move it, is is indeed nonsensical in business terms.
Warhammer world in particular needs facebook, because that's often how people organise games. When they run tournaments, it's the most appropriate way to share news reports. Ultimately, if you're not getting positive vibes and news from Warhammer World, why keep it open?.
Peregrine wrote: I really don't get the "FW is so hard to come by" argument. You buy it online, just like you buy anything else online. Having the ability to order it through a local store doesn't help because, like most of what GW sells, it's not going to be on the shelf when you come in to buy it. So why drive out to a store, place an order, and then drive back to pick it up when you can just buy online from home and let UPS do all of the delivery work? The only thing adding FW to the "main" GW store will do is add the ability to give charity donations to your local independent store with more products.
Man, if only there was a way I could communicate with the people at my FLGS without having to leave my house. Like, a little box that could convert my voice into a signal and send it to my FLGS who would have a similar magical device that could decode it. Science, get on it! Not only does my FLGS have such a device, they also offer a 25% and I don't have to pay shipping. Even if I couldn't get the 25% the free shipping alone and the fact that I go there regularly means it would be a good deal.
Didn't they quit social media before, when attracting bad press over Spots the Space Marine? Sticking their heads into the sand and removing all ability to comment seems to be their default response to any negative publicity
I wonder what (if any) scandal prompted this latest overreaction?
It's more likely that as people are speculating they're doing a site relaunch soon and the roles/responsibilities of the different pages are merging/changing, so they've closed in advance of that. I know we love controversy but if there had been one I'm pretty sure you'd have been able to read about it here.
Creeperman wrote: Didn't they quit social media before, when attracting bad press over Spots the Space Marine? Sticking their heads into the sand and removing all ability to comment seems to be their default response to any negative publicity
I wonder what (if any) scandal prompted this latest overreaction?
There was no scandal on either the Digital page or the Warhammer World one, both of which I happened to check the day before. Both of them were a model of polite discourse.
Creeperman wrote: Didn't they quit social media before, when attracting bad press over Spots the Space Marine? Sticking their heads into the sand and removing all ability to comment seems to be their default response to any negative publicity
Just for the record: GW main quit facebook a while ago, when their facebook page was flooded with negative comments on their legal action against "Spot the Space Marine".
A few days ago the facebook pages of GW Digital, Warhammer World and Forge World were deleted as well. This is what we are currently talking about, as esp. the GW Digital page was quite active and informative.
It's becoming more and more popular, which means we can reach more and more people with this very cost effective form of marketing-- cancel it immediately!
Davespil wrote: Man, if only there was a way I could communicate with the people at my FLGS without having to leave my house. Like, a little box that could convert my voice into a signal and send it to my FLGS who would have a similar magical device that could decode it. Science, get on it! Not only does my FLGS have such a device, they also offer a 25% and I don't have to pay shipping. Even if I couldn't get the 25% the free shipping alone and the fact that I go there regularly means it would be a good deal.
If only there was a way to read a post before making sarcastic comments on it, so that you wouldn't be embarrassed when you completely miss the point.
Most likely FW stuff is going to be direct-only, which means that if your FLGS can get it at all they're not going to get a retail discount. All you get is possibly a shipping discount, as long as you never order enough to get free shipping. And I was talking about GW stores mostly, not independent stores, and their ridiculous attempts to make "we'll let you use our computer to make the order" sound like an appealing offer.
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frozenwastes wrote: It's becoming more and more popular, which means we can reach more and more people with this very cost effective form of marketing-- cancel it immediately!
Remember, growing too quickly sets up unrealistic expectations for the next year. It's better to make sure you don't sell too much stuff at once, and effective social media marketing means a huge risk of doing that.
So Dakka thinks GW closed their facebook pages either because there was another massive scandal that it somehow completely missed, or because the pages were too successful.
Rather than the obvious conclusion that they'll relaunch their facebook presence after the new site launch in april.
Bull0 wrote: Rather than the obvious conclusion that they'll relaunch their facebook presence after the new site launch in april.
That's not obvious at all, and isn't even very plausible. If you're going to re-launch soon you don't just close everything with no warning, you make big announcements about "coming soon, awesome new website" and "see you in a week" to build anticipation for the new stuff. In fact, why close them at all if it's just a re-launch? It's not like there's anything to be gained from doing so.
Bull0 wrote: Rather than the obvious conclusion that they'll relaunch their facebook presence after the new site launch in april.
That's not obvious at all, and isn't even very plausible. If you're going to re-launch soon you don't just close everything with no warning, you make big announcements about "coming soon, awesome new website" and "see you in a week" to build anticipation for the new stuff. In fact, why close them at all if it's just a re-launch? It's not like there's anything to be gained from doing so.
You really think the behaviour you just described is typical for GW? No. They keep everything secret until the last possible minute. They're totally opaque. Blustering into closing the pages and re-tasking the staff without telling the community what's going on is typical for them. It's both obvious AND plausible.
By "relaunch their facebook presence" I don't mean they'll simply turn the same pages back on after the new site is up, that's stupid. I'm fairly sure the pages will be in a different configuration - some will go, some will stay, or they'll all go and there'll be a single GWFB page.
"Bastion of logic?" You mean like GW's actions? There's no good business reason whatsoever for deleting your online social presence without warning.
Normal consumers who see things like that probably think the business is closing. Jaded insiders like us think moves like that are to squelch negative criticism, or else part of some convoluted plot to funnel sales. Absolutely nobody looks at the unheralded sudden deletion of social media and thinks "This is great news, they're relaunching everything but didn't want to cause consumer anxiety," mostly because it's complete crap.
Yes, you're right, that's complete crap, and I didn't say it. Thanks for taking the time to post that enlightening commentary.
I said - and I think I was perfectly clear - that I believe they rushed into closing the pages ahead of relaunching them with the new site later on, without keeping the customers in the loop, and that this was typically opaque behaviour. I didn't say I thought that was some kind of astute move - if anything I think I implied that I think the opposite. Show me where I said it was sensible, or that consumers would understand or know what was going on - you won't be able to because I didn't.
You picked up on "bastion of logic" - I think it's *totally* illogical to believe that there was some kind of internet scandal that Dakka COMPLETELY MISSED or that the pages were "too successful" (they really weren't that successful anyway) when we know that they're doing a general site relaunch very soon so it's most likely connected to that. It's got nothing to do with GW - I agree, GW do things in a pretty damn illogical way too. All the time. You can read all about it on here.
I'm surprised this not been uploaded already, I received an email from the events team at warhammer world.
New Website for Warhammer World.
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Bull0 wrote: Yes, you're right, that's complete crap, and I didn't say it. Thanks for taking the time to post that enlightening commentary.
I said - and I think I was perfectly clear - that I believe they rushed into closing the pages ahead of relaunching them with the new site later on, without keeping the customers in the loop, and that this was typically opaque behaviour. I didn't say I thought that was some kind of astute move - if anything I think I implied that I think the opposite. Show me where I said it was sensible, or that consumers would understand or know what was going on - you won't be able to because I didn't.
You picked up on "bastion of logic" - I think it's *totally* illogical to believe that there was some kind of internet scandal that Dakka COMPLETELY MISSED or that the pages were "too successful" (they really weren't that successful anyway) when we know that they're doing a general site relaunch very soon so it's most likely connected to that. It's got nothing to do with GW - I agree, GW do things in a pretty damn illogical way too. All the time. You can read all about it on here.
If you want to devolve into snarkiness, then we can all also thank you for your wonderfully condescending remarks. At this time, no one really knows what prompted GW's latest moves. Some of us posed speculation based on prior information and experiences, which apparently calls for you to speak with towering arrogance from a position of equal ignorance.
It's totally plausible someone posted something on one of the GW pages that upper management flipped out about. It might not even have been particularly offensive, maybe only a passing question about leaked information. It's also plausible it's just a botched relaunch in the best GW traditions. No one outside of GW knows.
Sorry, *I* devolved into snarkiness? When you started this confrontation by putting words in my mouth and proceeding to tell us how they were complete crap. And you wonder why I responded a bit condescendingly? Love your style.
And again, I still put *speculating that something somewhere might have happened, or else that this is some kind of shadowplay* below *it's probably to do with the site relaunch we know is happening* in terms of positions of relative logic or ignorance. You're welcome to disagree but you aren't going to convince me.
Anyway, I don't have anything further to add to this. Cheers
The logical conclusion of the various social media closes is that they are being consolidated into one entity for the relaunch.
However, that doesn't mean a new social media presence necessarily, they are perhaps shifting the blogs etc onto the new site itself, it is much easier to integrate sales into the information that way.
It's daft whatever they are thinking, the only company I've ever heard who think too much customer interaction (and overwhelmingly positive as well) is an issue.
Peregrine wrote: That's not obvious at all, and isn't even very plausible. If you're going to re-launch soon you don't just close everything with no warning, you make big announcements about "coming soon, awesome new website" and "see you in a week" to build anticipation for the new stuff. In fact, why close them at all if it's just a re-launch? It's not like there's anything to be gained from doing so.
Actually it's completely plausible. Think about the company we're talking about, and therefore think which is more likely:
1. They relaunch their online presence without any warnings or previews.
2. They give previews and "coming soon" notices of their new website/social media presence.
Again, this is Games Workshop, which of the above two is more likely given GW's track record with everything it does.
Bull0 wrote: So Dakka thinks GW closed their facebook pages either because there was another massive scandal that it somehow completely missed, or because the pages were too successful.
Rather than the obvious conclusion that they'll relaunch their facebook presence after the new site launch in april.
Bastion of logic, this place
Please read the thread or at least the last 2 pages before posting.
1.) Noone claimed that a scandal was the reason for this wave of facebook quitting.
2.) FW customer service officially said that they cancelled their facebook page because it was too successfull and they don't have enough time for keeping it updated. Having not enough time means, they won't have enough time for relaunching it as well.
Please read the thread or at least the last 2 pages before posting. 1.) Noone claimed that a scandal was the reason for this wave of facebook quitting.
OK Kroot, I'll play along. Here are the posts I was referring to that read like speculation that a scandal was the reason for the pages closing:
Creeperman wrote: Didn't they quit social media before, when attracting bad press over Spots the Space Marine? Sticking their heads into the sand and removing all ability to comment seems to be their default response to any negative publicity I wonder what (if any) scandal prompted this latest overreaction?
Just for the record: GW main quit facebook a while ago, when their facebook page was flooded with negative comments on their legal action against "Spot the Space Marine". A few days ago the facebook pages of GW Digital, Warhammer World and Forge World were deleted as well. This is what we are currently talking about, as esp. the GW Digital page was quite active and informative.
Creeperman wrote: At this time, no one really knows what prompted GW's latest moves. Some of us posed speculation based on prior information and experiences...It's totally plausible someone posted something on one of the GW pages that upper management flipped out about. It might not even have been particularly offensive, maybe only a passing question about leaked information.
So they've shut down their facebook presence and instead opening their own blogs? I suppose that makes some sense - facebook isn't what it used to be, and as a way of organizing events it is a little cumbersome. I can see why they'd want their own archetecture.
Still, there was no reason they couldn't have a blog *and* a facebook page, unless they're determined to drive traffic to their own blog.
Please read the thread or at least the last 2 pages before posting.
1.) Noone claimed that a scandal was the reason for this wave of facebook quitting.
OK Kroot, I'll play along. Here are the posts I was referring to that read like speculation that a scandal was the reason for the pages closing:
Creeperman wrote: Didn't they quit social media before, when attracting bad press over Spots the Space Marine? Sticking their heads into the sand and removing all ability to comment seems to be their default response to any negative publicity
I wonder what (if any) scandal prompted this latest overreaction?
Just for the record: GW main quit facebook a while ago, when their facebook page was flooded with negative comments on their legal action against "Spot the Space Marine".
A few days ago the facebook pages of GW Digital, Warhammer World and Forge World were deleted as well. This is what we are currently talking about, as esp. the GW Digital page was quite active and informative.
Creeperman wrote: At this time, no one really knows what prompted GW's latest moves. Some of us posed speculation based on prior information and experiences...It's totally plausible someone posted something on one of the GW pages that upper management flipped out about. It might not even have been particularly offensive, maybe only a passing question about leaked information.
Your "Bastion of logic, this place" statement is what's caused this latest tempest in a tea cup.
It was just a joke - I find the idea that "maybe something went down somewhere, at some point, and that's why they closed their pages" when we all know there's a site relaunch coming is illogical to the point of being worth making a joke about. There's plenty of reasoned logical discussion on dakka, I dig on it, it's why I'm here. Don't take it personally.
And yeah, I said I didn't have anything to add at that point, which I didn't. Then someone asked me a question, so I came back =)
Trying to predict what GW will do is difficult at this point. Whether it's social media, codex releases, or crazy-ass tracked models with steering wheels. I'd say "Follow the almighty dollar!" but 1) they use British Pound Moneys, and 2) some of their decisions leave me scratching my head. I can only blame: CHAOS!
Bull0 wrote: So Dakka thinks GW closed their facebook pages either because there was another massive scandal that it somehow completely missed, or because the pages were too successful.
Rather than the obvious conclusion that they'll relaunch their facebook presence after the new site launch in april.
Bastion of logic, this place
They have never relaunched their forums, so it is not an obvious conclusion they will relaunch other social media channels.
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The main GW site doesn't look any different to me. Perhaps it hasn't been upgraded yet/ (11:30 in the morning, British Summer Time.)
This is great news, now there's even less confusing information and unwelcome social commentary to get in the way of you spending money on fantastic new Games Workshop products!
No one likes discussing their favorite Games Workshop hobby with total strangers, nor actually playing a game against them. Therefore Games Workshop has determined that the best way to protect our valued customers from unwanted social interaction is to remove ourselves from all social media, while simultaneously discouraging gaming at all Games Workshop Hobby Centres in hopes of driving ourselves completely out of business.
Remember, we value all customer feedback, so make sure to drop us a line at... oh, wait, never mind, we just finished severing all lines of communication with our customer base. We don't give a flying feth about your feedback, just send us more money!
Creeperman wrote: This is great news, now there's even less confusing information and unwelcome social commentary to get in the way of you spending money on fantastic new Games Workshop products!
No one likes discussing their favorite Games Workshop hobby with total strangers, nor actually playing a game against them. Therefore Games Workshop has determined that the best way to protect our valued customers from unwanted social interaction is to remove ourselves from all social media, while simultaneously discouraging gaming at all Games Workshop Hobby Centres in hopes of driving ourselves completely out of business.
Remember, we value all customer feedback, so make sure to drop us a line at... oh, wait, never mind, we just finished severing all lines of communication with our customer base. We don't give a flying feth about your feedback, just send us more money!
I'm tempted to copy that and e-mail it to GW customer service.
Hah! I love on Warhammer world, in "Games Workshop's Displays" when viewing the pics, X takes you to the next picture and the arrow closes the picture viewer .
Stormonu wrote: Hah! I love on Warhammer world, in "Games Workshop's Displays" when viewing the pics, X takes you to the next picture and the arrow closes the picture viewer .
Nah mate, GW deliberately made their crosses look like arrows and arrows look like crosses so they can own the designs.
Maybe its one of the 12415 SM snowflakes..? There are more than enough special characters, librarians, champions, chapter masters, company commanders, Terminator sergeants, veteran swordbrotherwolflordfathers and whatnot...
I'm holding Occam's Razor in my hand, and I'm going use it to cut anyone who thinks its a plastic Sister.
Kosake wrote: Maybe its one of the 12415 SM snowflakes..? There are more than enough special characters, librarians, champions, chapter masters, company commanders, Terminator sergeants, veteran swordbrotherwolflordfathers and whatnot...
1. Launch new website. 2. Offer special promo-miniature based upon the army that outsells everything else (combined probably). 3. Profit.
I don't see how anyone can criticise this, even putting aside the 4Chan-esque Internet Hyperbole Marine hate.
My money is on a Chapter Master, there's a fancy shield and power sword on the sprue to be used as the relics. Looks pretty nice as far as one can tell from the small picture. Except the skull cape, I guess this particular Chapter Master is a secret admirer of Skulltaker's style.
This just in, the more you spend at gw.com, the more fantastic minis you can get! You can unlock a bunch of limited release minis. Spend just USD 1000, and you can unlock this awesome mono-pose chapter master. Only 24.99!
Pehaps they will? I agree that it doesn't really look like a sister though, unless they now have access to heavier suits of powered armor (terminator analogue).
I actually thought it might be a chaos model; sword looks funky.
Barksdale wrote: This just in, the more you spend at gw.com, the more fantastic minis you can get! You can unlock a bunch of limited release minis. Spend just USD 1000, and you can unlock this awesome mono-pose chapter master. Only 24.99!
Let's hope not. The last special Webstore figure was the Title Belt Marine, and you just got him for spending $100.
Kosake wrote: Maybe its one of the 12415 SM snowflakes..? There are more than enough special characters, librarians, champions, chapter masters, company commanders, Terminator sergeants, veteran swordbrotherwolflordfathers and whatnot...
1. Launch new website.
2. Offer special promo-miniature based upon the army that outsells everything else (combined probably).
3. Profit.
I don't see how anyone can criticise this, even putting aside the 4Chan-esque Internet Hyperbole Marine hate.
That's actually quite simple. Marines make up for about 25% of all GW Profits, fantasy and everything else included. If you make more Marine stuff, more people will buy it, thus the revenue from space marines increases. If the space marines gain an even higher percentage, according to the laws of conservation, other percentages must drop. There are currently 9 non-space marine factions out there (excluding knights, scions, inquisition, lotd and whatever else 1-unit army may or may not appear). IF SM (DA, BA, SW) make up for 50% of 40k revenue, that leaves 5.5 % per other faction, assuming an equal distribution. Since the distribution is not equal, I guess that some armies are pretty close to the 1% or less threshold (looking at you, sisters...). So if you want armies squatted because maintenance and new models are just too much hassle for less than 1% revenue while a new space marines inside space marines modell will earn you the attention of 70% of your customer base, then more SM modells are just the way to go.
Breotan wrote: Are you confusing it with the new plastic "not-Sicarius"?
I'm not familiar with the model to which you are referring. And, of course since the site's down, I can't look for it. Which model do you mean?
H.B.M.C. wrote: 2. Offer special promo-miniature based upon the army that outsells everything else (combined probably).
This is probably right, I think.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Let's hope not. The last special Webstore figure was the Title Belt Marine, and you just got him for spending $100.
I believe that you also got him when GW opened a site in your country, like I think Poland had one for example, right?
I really like that guy, by the way. I did wind up getting him eventually but from, uh, somewhere else. So I'm sorta-kinda excited about getting one from GW. I'm not really big on Spreens but it might be cool.
Unless they make it "with a $500 order" or something grubby like that. In which case I'd wait until I found it... somewhere else.
Kosake wrote: That's actually quite simple. Marines make up for about 25% of all GW Profits
I'm pretty sure they are up to 50% or so these days, including things like paint, dice, books, ect. I mean hey, apparently some fantasy armies only make up 1%.
Ouze wrote: I really like that guy, by the way. I did wind up getting him eventually but from, uh, somewhere else. So I'm sorta-kinda excited about getting one from GW. I'm not really big on Spreens but it might be cool.
I'll probably order something so I can get him, because I like Ltd. Ed. collector's miniatures like that (I have most of the ones from the Army Boxes, the Skullz AdMech guys, and so on). I have the Title Belt Marine as well, thought that was kind of an accident. I was ordering from the US web store (before the dark times, before the embargo), when buying from the US to OZ was still a 50% discount for us. Was buying for myself and a friend to save on shipping, and spent enough to get him. Didn't even realise that's what you had to do until I saw him in my cart.
Here a better picture of the sprue which came with a mail from GW.
The header of the mail says "our webstore will soon open again, then there will be gifts"
I'm interested to see how they will interpret gift, probably something along the lines of the aforementioned marine for a purchase of X Dollars/Euros/etc.
I'm pretty sure they are up to 50% or so these days, including things like paint, dice, books, ect. I mean hey, apparently some fantasy armies only make up 1%.
It's 50% because no other faction has so many opportunities for Limited Editions and Dataslates
The head is actually in the bottom row above the sword; the two things next to the torso are shoulderpads. Now, unless the Sisters have gone bald lately..
I think I count no less than 20 skulls on that model. I'd estimate as many as 30 once having seen a full 360 view. I think there is no other option than for this model to be a chapter master with a statline of mostly 8s and 9s.
1.) GW announced their plan to relaunch their website in April in their latest annual report, so this fact is not rumour.
2.) FW websiite is running normally ATM.
jonolikespie wrote: I think there is no other option than for this model to be a chapter master with a statline of mostly 8s and 9s.
Well, only the finest of the space marines Adeptus Astartes are worthy of so rich a bounty of the Imperium's most treasured natural resource, Skulldanium - best to give it to someone who can best harness it into producing even more Skulldanium.
It was as I typed it that I realized that, in a way, all the characters in the 40k universe are essentially playing the world's most grimdark MMO, grinding out skulls and faction.
Anyway kids, remember: you want ctrl + F5, not f5.
I'm pretty sure they are up to 50% or so these days, including things like paint, dice, books, ect. I mean hey, apparently some fantasy armies only make up 1%.
It's 50% because no other faction has so many opportunities for Limited Editions and Dataslates
The head is actually in the bottom row above the sword; the two things next to the torso are shoulderpads. Now, unless the Sisters have gone bald lately..
Heh, well that would be one way of fixing the hair problem.
I personally believe they should have just abandoned the hair and just give all of the grunts helmets.
Just stumbled on to the end of this post... really? Guys you need to get out more, you're having a discussion over the image and who / what it is? You're even discussing how "accurate" it is!! It's an interesting idea, similar to the Anakin / Darth Vader poster. It's simple and works well, especially as all it is is a "coming soon" holding page.
jonolikespie wrote: I think I count no less than 20 skulls on that model. I'd estimate as many as 30 once having seen a full 360 view. I think there is no other option than for this model to be a chapter master with a statline of mostly 8s and 9s.
Looks to be just a SM captain/Chapter Master in PA. Iron Halo, Power Fist, Storm Bolter, cape. Probably priced the same as the current SM plastic monopose HQs. ie. Too Much Money...
The shadow of the sprue seems to be that of the completed model.
Looks like he's resting his powerfist on his leg or something and holding the stormbolter by his side.
Thats the Games Day 1991 LE4 Space Marine Captain - if memory serves, he was only available in one store / venue on one day in the US.
Most painted versions (including mine) have a plastic bolter grip glued onto the bottom of the storm-bolter.
It seems appropriate in some ways that GW are doing an updated version of him...and sad in another in that they're now drawing on their own work for inspiration.
xttz wrote: I wonder if you can now field an entire army comprised of all the marine captain models GW have released over the years.
Coming to a dataslate near you!
I don't see why it's a problem if they offer the limited ed mini as a freebie for spending over a certain amount. Kickstarters do it with stretch goals all the time and we love them for it.
This guy's sword has more skulls than the ROB board, and all the Fantasy and 40k scenery put together. Glorious.
Frankly, I don't know he's broken down into many pieces. The whole isn't greater than the sum of it's parts (and the way he holds that storm bolter...), and I doubt it'll be easy to convert as the pieces seem to link into each other (going by the shape of the cloak on the sprue).
This guy's sword has more skulls than the ROB board, and all the Fantasy and 40k scenery put together. Glorious.
Frankly, I don't know he's broken down into many pieces. The whole isn't greater than the sum of it's parts (and the way he holds that storm bolter...), and I doubt it'll be easy to convert as the pieces seem to link into each other (going by the shape of the cloak on the sprue).
The old version had even more skulls
Sheesh, how long does it take to update a site? It's been what, 6 hours?
CthuluIsSpy wrote: I have to say, that remake of the old captain is pretty well made.
80 euros is pretty steep though.
I don't know. Free mini with Eur 80, or £60 dose not seem that unreasonable point. 2 boxes of most things. I won't be getting him, and won't be spending that much, but I don't think its that high a point.
Maybe it's just me, but for all the obvious improvements in quality, the original 1990's version has more character. The posing of the new plastic model seems a bit awkward, whereas the old metal mini exudes stern hatred.
jonolikespie wrote:I've already stopped giving them my money, and I feel very confident about saying I am most certainly not alone in that.
Agreed. The new guy looks totally awkward and rather... Soulless?
Ok maybe I'm imagining that but look at the hand on the stormbolter. It looks like he's somehow managed to drop and fumble it without realising.
Hope they finally update the ancient information on Games Days.
They still say its coming soon, how long do you think it will be before the website is actually ready?
Wolfstan wrote: Just stumbled on to the end of this post... really? Guys you need to get out more, you're having a discussion over the image and who / what it is? You're even discussing how "accurate" it is!! It's an interesting idea, similar to the Anakin / Darth Vader poster. It's simple and works well, especially as all it is is a "coming soon" holding page.
Good job on coming to a discussion forum on news and rumors and complaining that people are discussing news and speculating on rumors.
I imagine now you're off to Dairy Queen to inform them you're not fond of ice cream, yes?
Anyway, that guy is sort of neat but $100 worth of stuff, I dunno. I suppose if you get stuff that you can only get from them, i.e. GW direct things, it's not so bad, otherwise it feels like you're just giving them a free $20 bill vs ordering from the Warstore or wherever. I think I have to ruminate some more on this one. I think the sword queers the deal for me, it's just too much.
Sweet mother of skulls, even the bolter clip? Well, on the plus side he shouldn't be too hard to get. A box of troops should just about hit the mark for how much you have to spend to get him.
That's an odd way to hold a bolter: How did the bolter get there, why doesn't it just clatter to the floor and how will the captain get to the handle without dropping the bolter?
ChrisB wrote: Should also add the shipping offer - not sure whether this is new or not
This is new as some weeks ago, there was free delivery at 20£ or so
If you want the mini, and are getting it for free, you are getting a discount from GW.
You are getting $120 worth of stuff and only spending $100.*
* assuming you value the mono-pose captain at $20. The deal gets better if you value it at $30 like the last mono-pose SM plastics. Which I don’t.
I like the skull covered sword. The RT terminator captains also came with the same sword, so it warms my retro-heart. Of course, the mini is non-WYSWYG, as I don’t think you can legally have a SB/PS/PF on the same guy.
hungryp wrote: Sweet mother of skulls, even the bolter clip? Well, on the plus side he shouldn't be too hard to get. A box of troops should just about hit the mark for how much you have to spend to get him.
Gotta honor those children who valiantly sacrificed themselves in the name of the Emperor* somehow!
*by being the thing a Chaos Marine tripped over, stalling his advance by a whole seven seconds!
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Alpharius wrote: Just look up a few posts, maybe on the last page?
It is a Space Marine captain.
"Free" if you order over (x) amount for your country.
Technically not a lie as you aren't paying for the model, you're paying for all the other stuff and getting him as a bonus. Likely an incentive to get people to visit the new webstore and not a bad bit of marketting.
I'll likely get him next month when I order the stuff I need for my Beastmaster unit.
I have the space marine christmas web exclusive sergeant standing on the broken aquila armed with bolter and powerfist the last time they gave away such a "freebie", except the web order total was 50 Euros.
l0k1 wrote: Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. If such a thing is true then perhaps it might finally bring an end to the argument of whether or not FW is allowed in regular games. Regardless, color me interested.
l0k1 wrote: Very interesting. If FW products will be available via the new website, thenmy flgs should able to order FW products with a discount as well. If such a thing is true then perhaps it might finally bring an end to the argument of whether or not FW is allowed in regular games. Regardless, color me interested.
FW is already allowed in normal games.
Unless you play in some area that has house ruled otherwise...(which doesn't apply to me but it does apply to some other people).
HisDivineShadow wrote: I think ill pass on Mr. Skull Cape. Looks tacky. Like redneck Walmart fabric print tacky. They dont even flow with the fabric. Looks tacked on in CAD.
To be fair, that's how the original's cape looked too.
redbristles wrote: I'm not complaining, a free model for spending money that I would anyway? Fine by me!
Thing is, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, but your post does an admirable job of raising the point, is it worth paying the ~25% premium on that £80 to get a model that isn't necessarily useful to you/one you want?
Wouldn't, since you're ordering online anyway, it make more sense to go to Darksphere or someone and spend the discount to potentially add a whole extra unit to your army?
Padre wrote: Thats the Games Day 1991 LE4 Space Marine Captain - if memory serves, he was only available in one store / venue on one day in the US.
Most painted versions (including mine) have a plastic bolter grip glued onto the bottom of the storm-bolter.
It seems appropriate in some ways that GW are doing an updated version of him...and sad in another in that they're now drawing on their own work for inspiration.
Photo from Stuff of Legends...
There's nothing sad about drawing on your own work for inspiration. It's a nice throwback. I like the model a lot.
Actually £60ish is far better than I was expecting. I imagined it being £100 at least.
The model itself is pretty cool, if not spectacular. I can't help but wonder if there are better things they could have allocated that cost/development to than yet another SM captain, especially when the mutli-part plastic kit is still the best.
redbristles wrote: I'm not complaining, a free model for spending money that I would anyway? Fine by me!
Thing is, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, but your post does an admirable job of raising the point, is it worth paying the ~25% premium on that £80 to get a model that isn't necessarily useful to you/one you want?
Wouldn't, since you're ordering online anyway, it make more sense to go to Darksphere or someone and spend the discount to potentially add a whole extra unit to your army?
If you're ordering stuff that is Direct Only or using the in-store terminals for ordering(I just did this for my Militarum Tempestus book and 3 Scion boxes), I think it might be less because you're wanting a ~25% discount and more that you're making use of the GW shop and free shipping to said shop.
redbristles wrote: I'm not complaining, a free model for spending money that I would anyway? Fine by me!
Thing is, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, but your post does an admirable job of raising the point, is it worth paying the ~25% premium on that £80 to get a model that isn't necessarily useful to you/one you want?
Wouldn't, since you're ordering online anyway, it make more sense to go to Darksphere or someone and spend the discount to potentially add a whole extra unit to your army?
It would make more sense fiscally, but as a collector, there is something to be said about getting an exclusive model. I might actually pick up a few direct only things I've been meaning to get so I can get this guy.
redbristles wrote: I'm not complaining, a free model for spending money that I would anyway? Fine by me!
Thing is, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, but your post does an admirable job of raising the point, is it worth paying the ~25% premium on that £80 to get a model that isn't necessarily useful to you/one you want?
Wouldn't, since you're ordering online anyway, it make more sense to go to Darksphere or someone and spend the discount to potentially add a whole extra unit to your army?
If you're ordering stuff that is Direct Only or using the in-store terminals for ordering(I just did this for my Militarum Tempestus book and 3 Scion boxes), I think it might be less because you're wanting a ~25% discount and more that you're making use of the GW shop and free shipping to said shop.
Furry muff.
That's an awfully specific set of circumstances though. Perhaps it's because I'm largely "beyond" GW as a retailer these days (in that, rather than first call, they're 4th, maybe even 5th or 6th) but I didn't really consider buying that volume of direct only (I tend to buy bits and stuff if I specifically want them, not a lot else.)
Wouldn't you, assuming indifference on the freebie, still have been better off just ordering the book in store (or at home) and buying the Scions at a discount elsewhere?
redbristles wrote: I'm not complaining, a free model for spending money that I would anyway? Fine by me!
Thing is, and this isn't aimed specifically at you, but your post does an admirable job of raising the point, is it worth paying the ~25% premium on that £80 to get a model that isn't necessarily useful to you/one you want?
Wouldn't, since you're ordering online anyway, it make more sense to go to Darksphere or someone and spend the discount to potentially add a whole extra unit to your army?
If you're ordering stuff that is Direct Only or using the in-store terminals for ordering(I just did this for my Militarum Tempestus book and 3 Scion boxes), I think it might be less because you're wanting a ~25% discount and more that you're making use of the GW shop and free shipping to said shop.
Furry muff.
That's an awfully specific set of circumstances though. Perhaps it's because I'm largely "beyond" GW as a retailer these days (in that, rather than first call, they're 4th, maybe even 5th or 6th) but I didn't really consider buying that volume of direct only (I tend to buy bits and stuff if I specifically want them, not a lot else.)
Wouldn't you, assuming indifference on the freebie, still have been better off just ordering the book in store (or at home) and buying the Scions at a discount elsewhere?
Maybe, but as trite as it might sound...the local GW store is actually better than a few of the shops that are immediately located near me. I'm okay with spending a bit more with the quality of the shop that we have now.
It's well-kept, well-lighted, has reasonable hours(and now that the GW has an "on-call manager", the few times that the actual manager was gone for things like doctor's appointments or that nature? No longer an issue) and is reasonably located. The manager also makes sure that it's a very friendly atmosphere.
jonolikespie wrote: I've already stopped giving them my money, and I feel very confident about saying I am most certainly not alone in that.
Is it just GW stuff that's expensive or all imported hobby stuff?
IE is it down to Australian import taxes or GW having it shipped to you via the moon??
Storm bolter and a power fist, its like they don't even play the game....
Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
You could always treat the sword as cosmetic. After all, Marneus Calgar (Power and Terminator) has a sword and I don't believe its ever been included in his equipment list.
Wolfstan wrote: Just stumbled on to the end of this post... really? Guys you need to get out more, you're having a discussion over the image and who / what it is? You're even discussing how "accurate" it is!! It's an interesting idea, similar to the Anakin / Darth Vader poster. It's simple and works well, especially as all it is is a "coming soon" holding page.
Good job on coming to a discussion forum on news and rumors and complaining that people are discussing news and speculating on rumors.
I imagine now you're off to Dairy Queen to inform them you're not fond of ice cream, yes?
Anyway, that guy is sort of neat but $100 worth of stuff, I dunno. I suppose if you get stuff that you can only get from them, i.e. GW direct things, it's not so bad, otherwise it feels like you're just giving them a free $20 bill vs ordering from the Warstore or wherever. I think I have to ruminate some more on this one. I think the sword queers the deal for me, it's just too much.
Nope. Missing my point totally aren't you and in some ways I'm now drawn in because I'm having to explain myself... over something that is pointless
The image is an artistic representation of someones design idea. It's not a picture of a new model, it's not information on a new release or even a painting of a character... it's the imagined shadow of a completed Space Marine and people are spending time discussing how an arm is hanging or holding a weapon.
Perhaps it's the British humour in this. If you were in a group over here I'd have a big grin on my face and saying "lads, come on, you need to get out more"
Storm bolter and a power fist, its like they don't even play the game....
Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
You could always treat the sword as cosmetic. After all, Marneus Calgar (Power and Terminator) has a sword and I don't believe its ever been included in his equipment list.
It's been in his equipment list in, I think, every incarnation, at least up to 5th!
If they still have the terrain bundle that has the garden of Moor in it then I'd defiantly order this. Discounted terrain, free shipping and a special edition mini. All my wants for online ordering are satisfied.
Hmm, with so many skulls on that Captain, I can see him being an easy conversion into a suitable Khorne Lord. Of course, I may never actually use him in-game, but hey, free model, so why not?
Missing my point totally aren't you and in some ways I'm now drawn in because I'm having to explain myself... over something that is pointless
I share your pain and have made similar complaints many times and as recently as this week. It's why I post so little, especially in the New and Rumors section where this problem seems to be the worst. Even the simplest comments often draw superfluous, irrelevant or erroneous responses that then require lengthy retorts. It's why these threads get so cluttered, making it nearly impossible to find anything useful in them (if there even is anything useful in them).
I got the email from GW today showing the sprue of the promotional Space Marine Captain for the website relaunch. It was great seeing the pic of the finished model posted in the opening comment of this thread. How people managed to get 9 pages (and growing) of comments out of that is mystifying, but longer threads have been built on less around here.
For those of us with GW stores near our homes it would be great to be able to support them further by being able to order Forge World products at the store, get them delivered there, and pick them up there. I hope GW does it. When they took Forge World ordering out of GW Bowie a couple years ago it greatly hurt the stores income.
For newer customers who may be unaware, GW had a nearly identical promotion the last time they relaunched their website about 6 years ago. There was a free limited edition Space Marine Captain blister pack for customers that ordered $100 US or more product. That was the "3 beers" Marine (three fingers raised on the power fist).
Missing my point totally aren't you and in some ways I'm now drawn in because I'm having to explain myself... over something that is pointless
I share your pain and have made similar complaints many times and as recently as this week. It's why I post so little, especially in the New and Rumors section where this problem seems to be the worst. Even the simplest comments often draw superfluous, irrelevant or erroneous responses that then require lengthy retorts. It's why these threads get so cluttered, making it nearly impossible to find anything useful in them (if there even is anything useful in them).
Oh, get over yourselves the pair of you! Not seen so much concentrated pomposity since my school went to the Houses Of Parliament when I was a kid.
Just learn to be the bigger man and rise above stuff, nobody is forcing you to a) post b) justify your opinions to anyone, if you feel compelled to do either then that is solely on yourselves.
Storm bolter and a power fist, its like they don't even play the game....
Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
You could always treat the sword as cosmetic. After all, Marneus Calgar (Power and Terminator) has a sword and I don't believe its ever been included in his equipment list.
It's been in his equipment list in, I think, every incarnation, at least up to 5th!
And you've identified why I could never be employed as a proof reader
Storm bolter and a power fist, its like they don't even play the game....
Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
You could always treat the sword as cosmetic. After all, Marneus Calgar (Power and Terminator) has a sword and I don't believe its ever been included in his equipment list.
It's been in his equipment list in, I think, every incarnation, at least up to 5th!
And you've identified why I could never be employed as a proof reader
Its in 6th as well.
Useful thing to remember, if you don't need the AP2 of the fists, it means he can strike at initiative.
ClockworkZion wrote: Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
We know it is a sword. But who knows if it is actually a power sword ? And close combat weapons are free.
Storm bolter and a power fist, its like they don't even play the game....
Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
You could always treat the sword as cosmetic. After all, Marneus Calgar (Power and Terminator) has a sword and I don't believe its ever been included in his equipment list.
It's been in his equipment list in, I think, every incarnation, at least up to 5th!
And you've identified why I could never be employed as a proof reader
Its in 6th as well.
Useful thing to remember, if you don't need the AP2 of the fists, it means he can strike at initiative.
I'm a 2nd Ed Marine player. You couldn't gang up on him back then so the sword wasn't necessary...unless you wanted to parry.
I'm less concerned with what he's equipped with than the fact it looks like we have a choice of three left arms and zero rights. I'll penalties be picking one up though, because I am firmly of the twelve year old "Aaaaa! Space Marine! Awesome!" mentality.
Thanks for validating my point about superfluous comments.
As you post one yourself, right?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote: Stormbolter and Powerfist isn't a bad combo as the PF doesn't get a bonus for pistols anyways, the real issue is the Power Sword he has too...
We know it is a sword. But who knows if it is actually a power sword ? And close combat weapons are free.
True. It could basically be like a bonding knife and be unused in combat.
Hmmm... The site has been down awhile. I wonder how long it will take?
It looks like the skull sword doesn't 'need' to be put on the model. It's only an accessory like the cherub for the new plastic SM librarian.
Overall I really like the promo model, but I could do without the abundance of skulls on his cloak. All the others I can live with - maybe even two on the cloak placed in the lower corners, but not eight of them.
Brother SRM wrote: There's nothing sad about drawing on your own work for inspiration. It's a nice throwback. I like the model a lot.
I agree. I'm not crazy about this specific model, but I like the idea, anyway. If I had this model back in the day I bet I'd be really stoked.
BrassScorpion wrote:For newer customers who may be unaware, GW had a nearly identical promotion the last time they relaunched their website about 6 years ago. There was a free limited edition Space Marine Captain blister pack for customers that ordered $100 US or more product. That was the "3 beers" Marine (three fingers raised on the power fist).
Yeaaaah. That guy is one of my favorites. I am confident there is a mullet under that helmet, and a Sknyryd T-shirt under that chestplate.
Rayvon wrote:[Only on Dakka would people complain about a free gift !
Since you must order from GW direct and forgo the customary 20-25% discount online retailers offer, and you must spend $100USD, then technically it cost $20 to $25 in lost savings. It's only free if you're ordering stuff you could not get from a discounting retailer anyway.
Sir Arun wrote: if they had placed it a wee bit more toward the centre, it could have been a sheath for his thingy
"You know, Sister, it's not only Tyranids that have Boneswords. Oh hey, a hand flamer! "
oni wrote: Hmmm... The site has been down awhile. I wonder how long it will take?
It looks like the skull sword doesn't 'need' to be put on the model. It's only an accessory like the cherub for the new plastic SM librarian.
Overall I really like the promo model, but I could do without the abundance of skulls on his cloak. All the others I can live with - maybe even two on the cloak placed in the lower corners, but not eight of them.
I dub thee "Captain Skully McHeadbone"
Word " on the street" says it'll be up tomorrow sometime (UK time that is).
EDIT: 8 skulls? Obviously a Skulltaker for a recently turned traitor chapter then...
That's got to be the worst place for a sword while in combat. Try running, crouching, ducking or anything else with that giant plank right where your leg maneuverability is supposed to be.
MWHistorian wrote: That's got to be the worst place for a sword while in combat. Try running, crouching, ducking or anything else with that giant plank right where your leg maneuverability is supposed to be.
MWHistorian wrote: That's got to be the worst place for a sword while in combat. Try running, crouching, ducking or anything else with that giant plank right where your leg maneuverability is supposed to be.
Suspension of disbelief only goes so far. That placement is slowed.
It's like watching a movie and the character goes to a car and suddenly crawls in through the trunk to get inside. Such unexplained impracticality throws off the suspension part.
TheKbob wrote: That's so "Grimdark" it hurts. I know it's an artistic update, but yo dawg, I heard you like skulls...
I'm fluffing it so those are all the skulls of children who died while standing against* a Chaos Marine and dying in combat.**
*And by "standing against" I mean "running from"
*And by "dying in combat" I mean "were crushed when he tripped and landed on them, but it totally counts because they managed to slow him down for a whole seven seconds giving other people time to almost escape.
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Johnnytorrance wrote: Lol, so if I spend $135 I get a tiny little single figure for free?
$100USD from what I've read.
I'll have that in the bag just buying stuff for my Beastmaster unit!
And Mandrakes. Because I think I might be able to get them to work with Urien in a list (Urien is there largely to buff Grotesques but if I can get two uses out of him, why not?).
TheKbob wrote: That's so "Grimdark" it hurts. I know it's an artistic update, but yo dawg, I heard you like skulls...
I'm fluffing it so those are all the skulls of children who died while standing against* a Chaos Marine and dying in combat.**
*And by "standing against" I mean "running from"
*And by "dying in combat" I mean "were crushed when he tripped and landed on them, but it totally counts because they managed to slow him down for a whole seven seconds giving other people time to almost escape.
Spoiler:
You left out the part where the rest of the childrens' mangled corpses were used to make the "Shrine of Underfoot Youths"
TheKbob wrote: That's so "Grimdark" it hurts. I know it's an artistic update, but yo dawg, I heard you like skulls...
I'm fluffing it so those are all the skulls of children who died while standing against* a Chaos Marine and dying in combat.**
*And by "standing against" I mean "running from"
*And by "dying in combat" I mean "were crushed when he tripped and landed on them, but it totally counts because they managed to slow him down for a whole seven seconds giving other people time to almost escape.
Spoiler:
You left out the part where the rest of the childrens' mangled corpses were used to make the "Shrine of Underfoot Youths"
azreal13 wrote: Or one of their web monkeys left a tap on and all the internets is now all over the floor of the warehouse!
The shipping container that was carrying their Internets fell off the freighter and sank. The factory is furiously making new Internets, but in the meantime certain regions will have a limited supply of GW Internets.
(That actually happened to the Falcon way back when, didn't it?)
azreal13 wrote: Or one of their web monkeys left a tap on and all the internets is now all over the floor of the warehouse!
The shipping container that was carrying their Internets fell off the freighter and sank. The factory is furiously making new Internets, but in the meantime certain regions will have a limited supply of GW Internets.
(That actually happened to the Falcon way back when, didn't it?)
Yes, and the last metal Thunderhawk kit that a GW staffer had won as a company prize, if I recall the story correctly.
azreal13 wrote: Or one of their web monkeys left a tap on and all the internets is now all over the floor of the warehouse!
The shipping container that was carrying their Internets fell off the freighter and sank. The factory is furiously making new Internets, but in the meantime certain regions will have a limited supply of GW Internets.
(That actually happened to the Falcon way back when, didn't it?)
(Yes it did).
I heard Chinese recasters will be providing the Internets for much cheaper, but they may be made from slightly toxic materials.
How times have changed.
