Love it? Don't mind? Hate it?

Personally, I hate it. IMPERIAL GUARD is something iconic, dammit. I liked fielding an IMPERIAL GUARD army. Come April it's gonna be an Astra Militarum army? Come on, GW. They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

"Yeah I'm writing my 1500 point Astra Militarum armylist"

"Your what?"

I don't mind it (but I'm not an IG player) but it does seem like a bit much, especially since A) The army has been Imperial Guard since the beginning, and B) "Astra Militarum" is a bit of a mouthful for anyone to say. I would have likely came up with something not as outlandishly sounding, even if it was something like using the old "Codex Imperialis" and then having it be divided into Army/Navy/etc.

I do find it funny though that they're changing the names due to possible copyright, given how litigious GW themselves have been. Karma is a... well, you know.

What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

I had heard a rumor that they might do this in the future; I can only imagine it's because they have a trademark of Space Marine, but couldn't get one for Imperial Guard and if rumors are to be believed, Disney has some issues with that since they bought the Star Wars franchise (which would also explain Stormtroopers).

I wouldn't at all be surprised, given the Spots the Space Marine thing, to see a Codex: Adeptus Astartes someday. I wonder what Chaos would be though.

Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well. And werent there Space Marines in Cameron's Alien 2?

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well.

Supposedly they do, that's why they were able to go after the Spots the Space Marine author.

I'm not all that bothered about it. It's a cool sounding name, IMO. Fits in with the Imperium. Though I definetely appreciate what an iconic name Imperial Guard is, and will continue to refer to them as such myself.

Interesting that they seem to be making these changes. The Sisters of Battle codex was renamed Adepta Sororitas (though this name already existed in their fluff). As others said, probably a move to get a better handle on thier copyrights.

Hopefully Codex: Adeptus Legionnaires.....

It has nothing to do with wanting a legion codex mind you, nope, nothing at all.

Looking forward to when the WW1 German army issues a C&D to the Star Wars franchise for plaguarising Stormtroopers.

On Topic: Hilariously bad name, when I first heard the rumor I was like "not even GW..."

Apparently I'm wrong.

I'll (as I'm sure many others will) keep on using Imperial Guard as the army's name.

Easier to say than 40K faux Latin and tis more iconic.

Dont mind, hard to get used to but dont mind. After all its just a name change. Means nothing to me.

I hate this name change. I do not look forward to the day I play a kid and go "oh I'm playing imperial guard"
"The what???"
*sigh* "I'm not saying it"
"What are you talking about?"
"You know... The..... Astra.... JUST NO!"

Sir Arun wrote:They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars.

WayneTheGame wrote:...but couldn't get one for Imperial Guard and if rumors are to be believed, Disney has some issues with that since they bought the Star Wars franchise (which would also explain Stormtroopers).

Is there any evidence for these claims? I have heard people talking about this but I reckon it is nonsense. Neither term can really be trade marked, as they are both historical terms. Also, they have been used by GW for long time, an IP law can't really be enforced if you leave someone alone for so long. Sounds made up to me. It is far more likely that GW wants to have solid claims on its own army names, which means they need to use less generic terms.

I like it.

At the end of the day, change is usually better than no change. If it weren't, why buy a new book? If you want things to be more or less as they were in the old book, stick with the old book, no?

I like it, but I won't use it personally, they've always been Imperial Guard to me and that's he way they stay!

The only reason GW is coming up with a new name is because they can't enforce a claim on the name "Imperial Guard". They're not afraid of Star Wars or anything like that.

They can't really go after a company making "imperial guard" bits. They can go after guys making "Astra Militarim" bits though.

At least, that's what they think.

Honestly it won't do much but confuse new players. There will be a codex named "Astra Militarum", but the vast majority of its models will be labeled as Imperial Guard. Old players will refer to the army as the Imperial Guard without caring, and bits companies will be able to just outright say "we make Imperial Guard bits" without GW being able to do anything about it. It won't really matter in any way except to make this stuff even more confusing than it already was.

People are still trying to figure out if the Stormtroopers mini dex is actually related to the IG or if its a whole new army for example. That confusion wouldn't be around if they had kept the old names.

I personally don't really care. I'll keep calling them IG as always and I imagine that's what most others will do too. I will get a good laugh watching GW managers trying to say Astra Militarum with a straight face though

Zweischneid wrote:At the end of the day, change is usually better than no change. If it weren't, why buy a new book? If you want things to be more or less as they were in the old book, stick with the old book, no?

Better is always different, but different is not always better. Plus, they've been coming out with updated versions of codices for years without changing the name. Necron players aren't forced to use an obsolete codex to still be running a necron army.

Anyways, my vote? Two thumbs WAY down.

I agree that the name itself is worse (the name is no longer descriptive, is an awkward mouthful to say, is less distinct relative to its peers, etc.), and that it also sounds like a horrible intellectual property grab. Meanwhile, the upside to the name change is... umm... hang on...

Nope.

I'm going to be an Imperial Guard player to the end of my days, no matter what name is on the codex.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well. And werent there Space Marines in Cameron's Alien 2?

Last I recall Starship Troopers never says "Space Marine" in the book. I think there was a different book that did. But those would be protected by copyright while GW has Trademarks for Space Marine which are used differently and have different rules.

I don't care.

A tenner says that this about as much of a name change as Adepta Sororitas is to Sisters of Battle. As in, entirely on the Codex cover.

People being stupid and angry for the sake of having an excuse to be angry at GW again, nothing new. Regardless, it doesn't remove the right of anyone to call it the Imperial Guard.

They should have changed it to Codex: Verus Ferrus Testiculus.

So, does the Feminine conjugation they are using there mean that we are finally getting female IG?

Its just not fair. My Tau Just got a codex not too long ago so it will be at least a few years until we get Codex: Communistarum Pisces Spatio

The imperial guard are still referred to as the imperial guard in all other fluff, so I'm not entirely sure what the weird name of this new guard codex will mean.

It's kind of dumb, but I'm fairly indifferent to it; I'm not sure if it'll change anything. Like someone's already said, imperial guard is way easier to vocalize than astra militarum and I figure that'll further discourage people from using the new name.

 ekim wrote:
Its just not fair. My Tau Just got a codex not too long ago so it will be at least a few years until we get Codex: Communistarum Pisces Spatio

The same goes for Codex: Spicati Spatium Classiarios
And Codex: Cimices Comedens Extra Via Lactea will have to wait even longer.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well. And werent there Space Marines in Cameron's Alien 2?

The Aliens soldiers are Colonial Marines, not Space Marines.

They also weren't called "Space Marines" in Starship Troopers. They were the "Mobile Infantry". This is, however, the very first appearance of "power armor" in science fiction.

It's really not a big deal. Considering Imperial Guard was never functionally just the Imperial Guard, but moreso "Imperial Guard with attached Imperial Navy, Commisairat, and Adeptus Astra Telepathica elements", the army gaining a more broad term to describe it as a whole sortof makes sense.

Put simply, your guardsmen are still Imperial Guard, so are your tanks, and your sentinels. But the other stuff isn't. Combined, they all fall under the Astra Militarum designation.

I'm cool with it.
(Touch the name 'Imperial Navy' though, and I will destroy GW.)

-TheCaptain

 Ailaros wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:At the end of the day, change is usually better than no change. If it weren't, why buy a new book? If you want things to be more or less as they were in the old book, stick with the old book, no?

Better is always different, but different is not always better. Plus, they've been coming out with updated versions of codices for years without changing the name. Necron players aren't forced to use an obsolete codex to still be running a necron army.

Anyways, my vote? Two thumbs WAY down.

I agree that the name itself is worse (the name is no longer descriptive, is an awkward mouthful to say, is less distinct relative to its peers, etc.), and that it also sounds like a horrible intellectual property grab. Meanwhile, the upside to the name change is... umm... hang on...

Nope.

I'm going to be an Imperial Guard player to the end of my days, no matter what name is on the codex.

They have changed a few names in the past, though. Not big iconic ones like Necrons, mind you, but the Inquisition armies used to have different names - the Witch Hunters became Adepta Sororitas (and I think the 5th Edition "codex" in WD was called Sisters of Battle), the Daemon Hunters became Grey Knights, and now there's an Inquisition book of sorts, apparently. Obviously the Grey Knights are still a fairly generic name compared to the Adepta Sororitas, but my point is that there is a precedent for GW changing the name of armies.

On the topic at hand, I'm meh about it. I actually like the faux Latin names that GW has - I feel like Adepta Sororitas is way more fluffy than Sisters of Battle. I actually prefer Adeptus Astartes to Space Marines. With that said, though, I don't play Guard, and I have no intention of starting up a Guard army. I also don't think that people are going to be calling their army "Astra Militarum" any time soon - even with the Sisters of Battle, I've never met anyone who calls them "Adepta Sororitas," everyone just says "Sisters of Battle," because as far as I know, there's a vast difference between the way people speak and the way they write.

In my opinion, Astra Militarum looks great on paper, it's a pretty cool name and it fits in with the theme of 40k. But I really doubt you'll ever see a player who's going to say "My army of choice is the Astra Militarum."

 Locclo wrote:
I also don't think that people are going to be calling their army "Astra Militarum" any time soon - even with the Sisters of Battle, I've never met anyone who calls them "Adepta Sororitas," everyone just says "Sisters of Battle," because as far as I know, there's a vast difference between the way people speak and the way they write.

In my opinion, Astra Militarum looks great on paper, it's a pretty cool name and it fits in with the theme of 40k. But I really doubt you'll ever see a player who's going to say "My army of choice is the Astra Militarum."

Pretty much this.

 TheCaptain wrote:
It's really not a big deal. Considering Imperial Guard was never functionally just the Imperial Guard, but moreso "Imperial Guard with attached Imperial Navy, Commisairat, and Adeptus Astra Telepathica elements", the army gaining a more broad term to describe it as a whole sortof makes sense.

Put simply, your guardsmen are still Imperial Guard, so are your tanks, and your sentinels. But the other stuff isn't. Combined, they all fall under the Astra Militarum designation.

I'm cool with it.
(Touch the name 'Imperial Navy' though, and I will destroy GW.)

-TheCaptain

I agree with this. It makes sense by the fluff to call the army Astra Militarum as I have not fielded a 100% IG army in years (if ever); vendetta, Valk, commissars, primaris psyker, storm troopers, etc. are all most definitely not IG units.

I also think it is fine that GW tries to protect its IP. Them choosing the name IG in the beginning indicates they didn't really take the line seriously and didn't care enough about it to protect it. Now they actually want to do something with the line (new plastics and supplements) and are protecting it.

BTW if you want an easy name say I play on AM

Technically the Imperial Guard have been called the Imperial Guard only since their name was changed from the Imperial Army back in the late 80s.

I think most people will ignore the new name the same as they ignore all the other made-up dog Latin names.

I like the Latin (or High Gothic ) names. The only thing I would prefer is a subheading of some sort, like the old Codex: Angels of Death had.

Codex: Astra Militarum
"detailing the armies of the Imperial Guard"

 Sir Arun wrote:
Love it? Don't mind? Hate it?

Personally, I hate it. IMPERIAL GUARD is something iconic, dammit. I liked fielding an IMPERIAL GUARD army. Come April it's gonna be an Astra Militarum army? Come on, GW. They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

"Yeah I'm writing my 1500 point Astra Militarum armylist"

"Your what?"

This. I hate it and cannot see the point of the name change.

I hate it, and my Imperial Guard will always be Imperial Guard.

Why?
- Because the change is a pointless and arbitrary move to protect IP that I sincerely doubt is under threat.
- Because it makes no sense for IG to be referred to in High Gothic while the Space Marines are referred to in Low Gothic. The other way round, I could take it.
- Because it just sounds stupid.

Well could give me a reason as to why my guard allied with tau, they Frakking hated their new name..

The name change goes from something iconic and old-earth sounding that everyone has a handle on, to some generic cod Latin for the sake of copyright protection. It's all about muh moats and walls, muh IP. Truly the suits are in charge trying to make a show of defending IP rather than making good games.

This won't make any difference to the third party bits market. You can't stop people making human arms and heads that happen to be compatible with your miniatures.

As an Imperial Guard player, I don't mind.

We're Imperial Guard dammit, not some latin club.

 Sir Arun wrote:


They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

Source? I doubt that was the case.

 Truth118 wrote:
The imperial guard are still referred to as the imperial guard in all other fluff, so I'm not entirely sure what the weird name of this new guard codex will mean.

Well, you don't expect them to spoil a future release before pre-orders are up, do you? They'll probably wait until the codex drops and then every mention of the IG in fluff/BL novels will be replaced with "Astra Militarum" from that day on.

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well. And werent there Space Marines in Cameron's Alien 2?

The Aliens soldiers are Colonial Marines, not Space Marines.

They also weren't called "Space Marines" in Starship Troopers. They were the "Mobile Infantry". This is, however, the very first appearance of "power armor" in science fiction.

There were other works, however, where Heinlein called several units "Space Marines.

There's a list of the use of the term Space Marine on wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Marine#Books_and_Short_Stories


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 thenoobbomb wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
What I dont get is, if GW wanted to go down this route, why didnt they release Codex: Adeptus Astartes instead of Codex: Space Marines?

At least that sounds semi decent and makes sense.

Codex Space Marines was released before the decision to make the main Imperial codices High Gothic.

C: SM 6th ed : September 2013

C: Adepta Sororitas : October 2013

C: Astra Militarum : March 2014

When they remake Space Marines for 7th, they will most likely use the High Gothic name.

I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

Yeh, Space Marine is too generic. It's a Sci-Fi Archtype after all.

Probably why they changed IG too.
Background wise, it never made much sense to me why the IG were called IG. The Imperial Guard, historically, was meant to be an elite detachment of soldiers. They are not meant to be cannon fodder.

From wiki:

An imperial guard or palace guard is a special group of troops (or a member thereof) of an empire, typically closely associated directly with the Emperor or Empress. Usually these troops embody a more elite status than other imperial forces, including the regular armed forces, and maintain special rights, privileges and traditions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Guard

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Technically the Imperial Guard have been called the Imperial Guard only since their name was changed from the Imperial Army back in the late 80s.

Seems we have missed that train. Still using Imperiale Armee......

Dont like it. My IG is still Imperial Guard. Its simply too much in the fluff itself. Let Astartes keep their fancy title and let us good old footslogging Imperial GUARD!

But hey...who cares? Really. So its now Astra Militarum, some will call it AM, some IG...meaning is still same. So, I hate it and I dont mind

edit: What would gak me off is change of fluff. Making IG/ AM into something else. Which, I hope, isnt this case. Yeah, GW?

They are renaming it what now? Dear lord preserve us

Don't really mind - what is a bit odd is that they called the most recent codex Imperial Knights instead of a faux Latin version?

I have more of a problem with the new truck...............and if the new Codex is just Cadian regiments with different names instead of lots of "Chapter Tactics".......

 Mr Morden wrote:
Don't really mind - what is a bit odd is that they called the most recent codex Imperial Knights instead of a faux Latin version?

I have more of a problem with the new truck...............and if the new Codex is just Cadian regiments with different names instead of lots of "Chapter Tactics".......

Probably because knights aren't a "main" faction. No point in giving a fancy High Gothic name to a sideshow.

 thenoobbomb wrote:


I prefer Adeptus Astartes over Space Marines, actually.

So do I, actually. I can accept it much more easily since it's as old as Rogue Trader, and also because "Space Marines" make them sound like a children's toy, much like "Space Wolves" sounds embarassingly bad compared even to something like Luna Wolves - or "Space Sharks" compared to Carcharodons.

I don't like AM, but I'll accept it if it is indeed used merely as the title for the book that deals with the Imperial Guard (still called that by name).

I think it's cool that they are finally coming up with unique names and I'm not overly worried that the name Imperial guard will suddenly disapear. Just like with the sisters of battle the codex will say Astra militarum since it's the official high gothic name and inside the book the army will probably be refered to as the imperial guard since it's the name used by most folks in the galaxy. So while GW changes the name on the boxes and books I find it very hard to believe that the imperial guard name will just disapear from the fluff.

Does this mean we have to change the little glowy IG to AM?

On topic: I don't mind it all that much. It's going to take some getting used to to keep saying the new name but I really don't mind. On a side note (again) I hope we get some plastic Commisars with the new release. I want to start IG or AM or whatever, but I hate metal models, so I cant use anything from the elites section or Commisars.

I don't mind it since I'm sure when the design team was brainstorming names there were worse ones, but to me they will always be the "IG"

I don't mind Adeptus Astartes, because Space Marines does sound a bit childish. However, Imperial Guard has always been a fine name and I think Astra Militarum is a stupiditus namus maximus.

When someone not in to sci-fi wargaming asks me what I collect, I'd much rather say "I have an Imperial Guard army", for that reason I think it's a bad change.

i voted i don't mind, but i think it's unnecessary. Imperial Guard is a decent name, it's been in use for 30 years, it works.

I've played Guard for years, but I don't really don't mind calling them something different.

A rose by any other name, and all that.

I feel a bit saddened this change is made due to lawsuits and IP protection, clearly this was not made in the intent to better the game.

I will miss the name Imperial Guard becuase that's what I grow up with. I know it will not change the game in anyway but the memory attached to it will be lost.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
They should have changed it to Codex: Verus Ferrus Testiculus.

I agree. I am agreeing with you as hard as I can.

As a player using their French translations, I've had to cope with the newer translation team changing names "just because" . Began with the tau codex where it was very minor, the marines one didn't change much but the Eldar one was an awful mess where perfectly fine (but not straightforward translations) of aspect warriors were changed to goofy sounding names. Then they did it to the tyranids, turning Deathleaper into the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here, changing Genestealers because eh, English names suck (while keeping vehicles names in English and turning the names which were translated back to English)


Short version, I'm not happy

Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8
Although the name doesnt bother me (even though i have been calling them IG for 24 years) it would be a shame to lose this iconic name. Hopefully it is just a new wing of the imperial army forming.

 Annihilator236 wrote:
Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8

This is GW we're talking about. They're not going to admit there's a new codex coming out until 2 weeks Saturday, so they will be referring to them as IG until that point. It's beyond stupid, but that's how they roll. You could walk into a GW with a printed pic of the leaked cover and models and they'd tell you it's a fake.

 Annihilator236 wrote:
Im still not convinced of the fact that astra militarum is the new name for the imperial guard. After seeing the damocles gulf expansion advertising the imperial guard, surely this close to the AM/TM release they would have amended the name there?8
Although the name doesnt bother me (even though i have been calling them IG for 24 years) it would be a shame to lose this iconic name. Hopefully it is just a new wing of the imperial army forming.

http://theshellcase.co.uk/2014/03/11/leaked-imperial-guard-codex-cover/

Does that convince you a bit more?

Well, the most recent SM release was the Adeptus Astartes Storm Wing, and not the Space Marine Storm Wing.

I have no problem with a Codex: Adeptus Astartes. And I kind of hope Chaos Space Marines becomes Astartes Maleficarum.

Don't like it, it seems far too forced for copyright claims and therefore lacks the simplistic majesty of saying the tried and true Imperial Guard.

Also abbreviating it as "AM" looks worse and less distinct than saying 'IG". It looks like I'm referring to the time or some radio station when I start off with AM.

 Grimskul wrote:
Don't like it, it seems far too forced for copyright claims and therefore lacks the simplistic majesty of saying the tried and true Imperial Guard.

Also abbreviating it as "AM" looks worse and less distinct than saying 'IG". It looks like I'm referring to the time or some radio station when I start off with AM.

I think the Allied Mastercomputer (from I have no mouth and I must scream) and the Adeptus Mechanicus would disagree

B0B MaRlEy wrote:the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here

Woah... hard core.

Anyways, even the pseudo-latin doesn't work well here. Adeptas sororitas is good in part because it vaguely translates into things like "the secret sisterhood" and "elite sisters", either of which are fine. Meanwhile, Astra militarum translates to "space army".

Yup, I'm the Space Army player...

... derp.

 Ailaros wrote:

B0B MaRlEy wrote:the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here

Woah... hard core.

Anyways, even the pseudo-latin doesn't work well here. Adeptas sororitas is good in part because it vaguely translates into things like "the secret sisterhood" and "elite sisters", either of which are fine. Meanwhile, Astra militarum translates to "space army".

Yup, I'm the Space Army player...

... derp.

Yeah, I think something like "Emperator Armata" would have been better. That's bad latin / High Gothic for "The Emperor's Army" which is what the IG are. "Emperator Malleus" is another possibility.

It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Seriously, GW, Disney aren't going to sue you for using Imperial Guard or Stormtroopers, you're the one that does that.

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

The thing about latin (or any language for that matter) is that direct translations will usually sound terrible (especially if you use google translate ).

For example:

Adeptus Astartes : Obtained Stars

Adepta Sororitas : Obtained Sisters (oh my *George Takei*)

Adeptus Mechanicus : Obtained Mechanic (ok, this makes a bit of sense)


Star Army though...while technically true (It is an army that fights in space), still sounds a bit off, and can be applied to every other army in the setting.

As sound as renaming McDonalds into Karczewszczanka or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
I want GW to be honest and credit the next Codex to:
"Written by the GW Legal Team".

 Kroothawk wrote:
As sound as renaming McDonalds into Karczewszczanka or Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
I want GW to be honest and credit the next Codex to:
"Written by the GW Legal Team".

Well, that would certainly give the term "rules lawyer" another meaning

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

I get that it makes sense, my point was that if you're going to change a name for an arbitrary reason, at least put a little thought into it rather than plugging it into Google translate and taking the rest of the day off.

 Paradigm wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Makes sense, actually.

Trooper = Soldier.

I get that it makes sense, my point was that if you're going to change a name for an arbitrary reason, at least put a little thought into it rather than plugging it into Google translate and taking the rest of the day off.

Actually they didn't plug it into google translate.

English to latin in GT:

Stormtrooper = Stormtrooper

Storm trooper = Tempestatem equites (storm horses?)

Latin to English

Militarum Tempestus : Military Conditions


So there goes that theory of laziness.

What's weird though is that google keeps changing it's mind for "Storm trooper"

So far I have:
Tempestatem LICTOR
Equites impetus
Tempestatem equites

Still no Militarum Tempestus

Ok, I was just being sarcastic. The point is, there's very little thought gone into the rename that really was unnecessary.

 Paradigm wrote:
It gets even worse with the Militarium Tempestus (Stormtroopers). Roughly translates as 'soldiers of storm', which just makes one want to cry.

Seriously, GW, Disney aren't going to sue you for using Imperial Guard or Stormtroopers, you're the one that does that.

They're not worried about Star Wars suing them. They're worried about being able to sue bits makers for making "Astra militarum" bits. They can't sue you for making "Imperial Guard" bits, so they changed the name to something easier to protect. That's it.

Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

When this was rumoured I pretty much knew it was true, but I still hoped it wasn't. I think it's an awful name change.

The main thing to me is that it's actually less evocative. Imperial Guard has a proud, bracing air to it. It suits the religious, militaristic, totalitarian nature of the Imperium. I can see billions march to their deaths in the Imperial Guard. The Astra Militarum, not so much.

But also:

- It's bad writing to use an unwieldy name instead of a straightforward one.
- It sounds like 40K is taking itself too seriously.
- "Space military" is kind of a redundant name for a sci-fi wargame army.
- I've been collecting IG since second edition, and this just seems like breaking what didn't need to be fixed.
- The army itself doesn't seem to be changing, so this namechange is forced and awkward.
- It's meant to control an IP built on lifts from and associations with other works.

I don't like the name change, it isn't catchy in any way to be honest.

 Fabio Bile wrote:

When this was rumoured I pretty much knew it was true, but I still hoped it wasn't. I think it's an awful name change.

The main thing to me is that it's actually less evocative. Imperial Guard has a proud, bracing air to it. It suits the religious, militaristic, totalitarian nature of the Imperium. I can see billions march to their deaths in the Imperial Guard. The Astra Militarum, not so much.

But also:

- It's bad writing to use an unwieldy name instead of a straightforward one.
- It sounds like 40K is taking itself too seriously.
- "Space military" is kind of a redundant name for a sci-fi wargame army.
- I've been collecting IG since second edition, and this just seems like breaking what didn't need to be fixed.
- The army itself doesn't seem to be changing, so this namechange is forced and awkward.
- It's meant to control an IP built on lifts from and associations with other works.

Pretty much this. Additionally, what happens to terms like 'Guardsmen'?

MrMoustaffa wrote:Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

Disney owns star wars, which had stormtroopers first.

The real problem, though, is if the Nazi party is going to sue GW, because they had stormtroopers even before that.

 ekim wrote:
Its just not fair. My Tau Just got a codex not too long ago so it will be at least a few years until we get Codex: Communistarum Pisces Spatio

exalted!

I personally don't care one way or the other. I think it's a more fitting name personally, but think that it can't really help the game itself one way or the other.

 Ailaros wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

Disney owns star wars, which had stormtroopers first.

The real problem, though, is if the Nazi party is going to sue GW, because they had stormtroopers even before that.

Not really. They were specialists of the German Army in WWI. The Nazi Party, founded only after WWI in 1919, would get sued themselves.

Question is, did any of them copyright the term in English?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Actually they didn't plug it into google translate.

English to latin in GT:

Stormtrooper = Stormtrooper

Storm trooper = Tempestatem equites (storm horses?)

Latin to English

Militarum Tempestus : Military Conditions


So there goes that theory of laziness.

What's weird though is that google keeps changing it's mind for "Storm trooper"

So far I have:
Tempestatem LICTOR
Equites impetus
Tempestatem equites

Still no Militarum Tempestus

Militarum Tempestus actually kinda works then, because they're not just calling them "Militarum Tempestus" but the troopers are called the "Militarum Tempestus Scions".

Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

I wouldn't have minded a name change so much, but the one they chose doesn't seem to fit in with any of the other faux-latin names they already have.

I wouldn't mind the Astra Militarum being, say, a branch of the IG but not the entire friggin thing!

 Engine of War wrote:
Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

Well, they only added a single syllable.

The problem isn't so much that the name is long so much as that it's awkward. "Stra" and "arum" are the kinds of sounds one makes when one's clearing one's throat.

Tempestas=Storm, Tempestus=Weather.

 Ailaros wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:
Ill just still call them "The Guard" or IG out of habit. astra longnameium is too annoying to say again and again.

Well, they only added a single syllable.

The problem isn't so much that the name is long so much as that it's awkward. "Stra" and "arum" are the kinds of sounds one makes when one's clearing one's throat.

It's arse tra not Stra.

Personally I don't mind.

I like the phrasing of "Imperial Guard" and all the titles and terms that go with it but Astra Militarum does sound much more formal and *fancy*

For all we know Disney have quietly been talking to GW after purchasing SW and have given GW to option to save face (and costs) by re-naming IG before a suit is filed.

It's a bit... unexpected, and IG will really always be IG... but I'm fairly ambivalent about the whole thing really. We'll get used to it.

Latin words sound cool, but it seems like an unnecessary change. Eveyone will continue to call them Imperial Guard or the Guard or whatever anyways.

If anyone really thinks Disney cares, even a little bit, about GW having "stormtroopers", you're insane. That's simply a fact.

Don't really have a strong opinion on it, but I'll prob still refer to them as IG or Guard even if that's no longer the 'official name'.

Doesn't matter one whit to me.

The Solstice Lunar III Light Drop Regiment will be the Solstice Lunar III Light Drop Regiment whether they're a regiment of the Astra Militarum, Imperial Guard, Star Army, Mobile Infantry or whatever...

On the other hand, Star Army. Stararmy. Starmie?

 1hadhq wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Technically the Imperial Guard have been called the Imperial Guard only since their name was changed from the Imperial Army back in the late 80s.

Seems we have missed that train. Still using Imperiale Armee......

Because Imperiale Wehr might make some folks back home feel uneasy.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
I have more of a problem with the new truck...............and if the new Codex is just Cadian regiments with different names instead of lots of "Chapter Tactics".......

It was necessary to explain where the Battle Wagon came from

I like it. Now I won't continually get pictures in my head of Frogs with big mustaches and Bearskin hats when someone brings them up....

I can see how some people might think Disney would sue, considering that this is the same company that tried to copyright the name of "Day of the Dead" and it's Spanish counterpart, the same name that is a holiday, after they decided to make a movie about it. And failed. That being said, I doubt that they can sue over the name of stormtrooper due to the fact that it is a general name and has been in use for almost a century in various forms and incarnations.

Now to bring this back to topic, Imperial Guard vs Astra Militarum = Fine by me. I don't care what Games Workshop calls the army, my Tyranids still keep a special place at the table for Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner.

 dracpanzer wrote:
I like it. Now I won't continually get pictures in my head of Frogs with big mustaches and Bearskin hats when someone brings them up....

That one went over my head. Expand please?

Its GW being battle brother hurt they cant trademark ordinary words.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
I like it. Now I won't continually get pictures in my head of Frogs with big mustaches and Bearskin hats when someone brings them up....

That one went over my head. Expand please?

I am guessing Napoleon's Imperial Guard

 Ailaros wrote:

B0B MaRlEy wrote:the silent death, which is a woman's beer name around here

Woah... hard core.

Anyways, even the pseudo-latin doesn't work well here. Adeptas sororitas is good in part because it vaguely translates into things like "the secret sisterhood" and "elite sisters", either of which are fine.

Which is an abreviation that also makes sense AS(s)

I'll still be calling them IG. I've had my army since 3rd edition and don't particularly care for the new name, it doesn't have the same classic appeal.

The bean counters called us Astra Militarum, the Ork Humies, we know ourselves as the Guard, the Imperial Guard.

On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Seriously, where did this "Disney will totally sue them" bs come from?

Disney owns star wars, which had stormtroopers first.

The real problem, though, is if the Nazi party is going to sue GW, because they had stormtroopers even before that.

Not really. They were specialists of the German Army in WWI. The Nazi Party, founded only after WWI in 1919, would get sued themselves.

Question is, did any of them copyright the term in English?

Actually the term 'Storm Troops' (Shturmovye) was first used and implemented by the Russian general Brusilov in 1916. The Germans were earlier with a similiar idea in 1915, but they called them Stoßtruppen (Shock Troops) instead. They only started using the term Sturmtruppen later, and members of such units were not called Stormtroopers but Sturmmann (Storm man).
I am however pretty sure that Brusilov forgot to copyright his term, so the chances of him rising from the grave and sueing Disney and GW are rather slim.


I hope that GW does keep the name Imperial Guard, but that the Astra Militarum will be som sort of overarching organisation of which the IG is a part.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

 Sir Arun wrote:
. They're also getting rid of the Stormtroopers name because of its similarity to Star Wars. GW spineless.

I want proof not random ass assumptions.

Nothing wrong with the name change, but it seems silly to me. Imperial Guard are an Iconic Army.

Ixnae onae heae adae latinae.

(Points to anyone who can read pig latin)


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Also, for feth's sake, it's not because of Disney, it's because GW wants to sue third parties who advertise themselves as making bits and models for their stuff. Suing someone for making "Imperial Guard" or "Storm trooper stuff" is much harder than suing someone for making "Astra militarum" or "Whatever the hell we're calling Stormtroopers" stuff.

The next person who says this is disney's idea is going to be forced to play Mindjack for a whole day straight.

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Codex: Infestantibus Viridi Fungos

They should just cut to the chase and call it Codex: Get Stuck In!

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

I feel the term "Traitor Militarum" doesn't quite flow off the tongue as readily.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
The bean counters called us Astra Militarum, the Ork Humies, we know ourselves as the Guard, the Imperial Guard.

On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Orks -> Milwallus Hordus

 Psienesis wrote:
They should just cut to the chase and call it Codex: Get Stuck In!

Lol

"Codex: Killed to a man, you say?"

"Codex: Send in the next wave!"

"Codex: All quiet. Casualties normal"


Because I would accept the change if it meant I got to say, "Yeah, I'm a Send In The Next Wave player".

And call Armageddon expansion Ghazghkull ante portam?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
I like it. Now I won't continually get pictures in my head of Frogs with big mustaches and Bearskin hats when someone brings them up....

That one went over my head. Expand please?

I am guessing Napoleon's Imperial Guard

Exactly that.

nevermind

It still says Imperial Guard when I go to the GW website...

 Pouncey wrote:
It still says Imperial Guard when I go to the GW website...

Since Codex: Astrid Mileysarum hasn't been released yet, that means........... Yeah, you tell me what the relevance of Imperial Guard still being found on GW website means.

Old schoolers will continue calling them IG (oh no! CHANGE!), and new adopters could very well shorten it to Astras or AstraMs or something far better and imaginative!

I reckon I'll pick the book up, and see if I can build a viable army that doesn't require hundreds of foot troops.

From henceforth, they shall be abbreviated as "Millies"!

 Ailaros wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They should just cut to the chase and call it Codex: Get Stuck In!

Lol

"Codex: Killed to a man, you say?"

"Codex: Send in the next wave!"

"Codex: All quiet. Casualties normal"


Because I would accept the change if it meant I got to say, "Yeah, I'm a Send In The Next Wave player".

Isn't everyone?

Having thought about it a bit I will dub the new codex Codex: Angsty MileyCyrum.

I like the new name! But then again I don't play IG.

I don't play IG, (AM whatever) but I'm not a huge fan of the new name and I'll probably always call Imperial guard, Imperial Guard.

As long as i can still call them the Imperial guard, i wish for both names, like how there are the astartes and marines. Also with the Sororitas and Sisters of battle :p

I am a 20-year veteran that will still be calling them Imperial Guard. GW has such an irrational hatred of their own sucessful past, I amompletely and utterly shocked they brought Knights into the game- though that was mostly to give Imperials a Wraithknight/Riptide sized model.

It's like the current GW hierarchy wants nothing to do with the GW of old, because then they might have to owe their sucess to their predecessors.

If you reskin everything , to newcomers it looks like you "suddenly" came up with such a great idea, rather than riding 25 years of inertia.

Hate it. The new one sounds awful. Why change what most people love?

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

 Furyou Miko wrote:
From henceforth, they shall be abbreviated as "Millies"!

I approve.

The fake Latin just to make something they can enforce some copyright laws on makes me sad.

Forever IG.

squidhills wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

Orcs in WHFB uses a C.

squidhills wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

squidhills wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:


On a side note, what do you think the next codex rename will be?

Well, the rumor is the next codex will be Orks, so if GW is having an extended brain fart, my guess will be they will re-name the Orks somehow. If they don't rename the whole army, you can bet they will rename individual units. Kind of how gretchen got renamed grots in 3rd edition.

Orkuss Stupidious

I dont know lol, But im not sure if they k in orks will mean they get to keep their name.

Orks are unlikely to face a name change given that there's pretty much nothing else in fiction called an Ork. All other Orks are spelled with a C because Tolkien, Bethesda, and Blizzard said so.

Thats what I mean, all orcs have a C except GW ones (that I know of) so I thought it would secure their name.

In Shadowrun, Orks are spelled with a 'K' not a 'C', and Shadowrun 1st Ed landed about the same time Rogue Trader did (but given that WHFB is older than RT and Shadowrun, GW might have a solid claim to "Ork with a K").

Maybe a very tenuous claim. The term "Orc" goes back long before Tolkien, I'm not sure of the history but I believe the most common spelling in the past couple of hundred years has been a C, but going back further orke and ork were also typical spellings of the word.

I've always assumed GW Orks are called Orks because Orks like to substitute K's for C's and CK's (Trukk, Trak, Shokk, Kommandos, Mek, Rokkit, etc etc).

I think Astra Militarum sounds truly dumb.

They will always be the Guard to me, just as Chaos Dreadnoughts will never be called Helbrutes.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Do they? I thought Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers (of which there is also more than 1 movie) have a trademark on Space Marines as well.

Supposedly they do, that's why they were able to go after the Spots the Space Marine author.

I think its only in the UK though. I may be wrong. It something like Apple computers in the US and Apple records in the UK.

MarsNZ wrote:
Looking forward to when the WW1 German army issues a C&D to the Star Wars franchise for plaguarising Stormtroopers.

] Sorry for off topic reply here.... but did this actually happen? I'm terrible with history