OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: although I'd still worry about something getting caught under an overhanging board sending the whole lot flying as people stand up/walk around it
Yeah, I was considering that as I was wondering about my final pledge amount. The felt rolling trays are really nice and I imagine will be very handy rather than bouncing everywhere on ABS.
Not entirely sure what they mean by 'attach to any side', are these strong enough to hang off the table when filled with models?
A little off, the number is a bit higher! ;P.
No stress on flat surface! If no surface underneath as future demonstrations will show it's fine. No other battle board we know of (possibly ROB) can hold well if both ends of the battle board our 12" outside a table surface, Ours can. The Games & Gears Gaming Trays has the same tech. The Games & Gears gaming trays can be attached or glued to either side, whichever you are happy with and makes most sense to you. If you have a space issue you can attach and detached them, if you are fortunate to have enough ample space to game at home you can have them glued on as just another option.
On the model count. If you play warhammer you can have 5 ranks of normal infantry deep no problem. We have not tried is but we think you can fit 100 (80 for sure!) Warhammer infantry models.
So on a 6 by 4 we know you can fit 180 Warhammer Infantry miniatures (3 Games & Gears Gaming Trays) , will check to see if you can do 200 . However we think the main purpose of the Games & Gears Gaming trays will be for your gaming accessories.
Best quote I could find with regard to overhang tolerance.
Here it is for those who can view facebook images. I don't think the board would have quite the same shading as the below, though (all the previous DzC boards have just been grey, black, and white). This just looks like a composite image of 4 of the card DzC tiles that Hawk Wargames makes.
Have to admit this isn't my favorite, though... that circular feature in the lower left is one that we rarely use with the card tiles, as it's hard to make it look natural in a cityscape. I would personally prefer something else to go in the lower left quadrant, that would be more useful.
Whelp, I was one of the early birds, then dropped, then came back. My dining table is only around 3 x 5, so being able to make a nicely thematic 4 x 4 at will for Robotech games holds some appeal. A 6mm scale would be awesome, but I was leaning towards a DZC pack anyway, so basically I end up with the same effect.
Speaking of which, has there been any chatter about what makes the Buildings add on unique? New buildings? More of them? The DZC pack contains (off hand) 20 buildings, and this seems to have about the same, at the same cost, and if that's the case I might as well snag said pack from a local store, which would give me the buildings and the terrain tiles, which I could use to expand the 6x4 board, or just alter the playing surface a bit.
And finally, since I need to get this off my chest; I'm so glad I can Games and Gears(tm) join this Games and Gears(tm) Battle Games and Gears(tm) Board Games and Gears(tm) KiGames and Gears(tm)ckGames and Gears(tm)staGames and Gears(tm)rteGames and Gears(tm)r. Truly it is the most Games and Gears(tm) to ever grace the Games and Gears(tm) in the wide Games and Gears(tm) internet.
I realize that this would be a departure from the cityscape set but the only complaint I have with the DZC layout is the complete lack of curved streets. I'm not sure if anyone else feels this way but a simple tile with a curve (and not an intersection) would be much appreciated. I don't know if there is a way to incorporate that into a tile without screwing up the total flow of the roads on the other tiles though.
Looks like we'll have the answer everyone has been waiting for soon
Games & Gears wrote:MINI UPDATE:
Ok we have a firm time frame for 28mm Hawk Wargames Urban Battle Field will be revealed 1st four initial designs based on the 10mm scale version on the 14.11.2013 3pm GMT UK time. It is pretty much all done, we need to do one last verification and then we can hit the publish button! Thank you for your patience and awesome support!
Have to admit this isn't my favorite, though... that circular feature in the lower left is one that we rarely use with the card tiles, as it's hard to make it look natural in a cityscape. I would personally prefer something else to go in the lower left quadrant, that would be more useful.
Looks to be a plaza, which could work well with some small kiosk-type buildings, a stage, maybe some jersey barriers, etc. I'll agree, not as common a sight or quite as useful as more streets, but I can both see it's use, and how it would be annoying when wanting a lot of regular urban streets.
Have to admit this isn't my favorite, though... that circular feature in the lower left is one that we rarely use with the card tiles, as it's hard to make it look natural in a cityscape. I would personally prefer something else to go in the lower left quadrant, that would be more useful.
Looks to be a plaza, which could work well with some small kiosk-type buildings, a stage, maybe some jersey barriers, etc. I'll agree, not as common a sight or quite as useful as more streets, but I can both see it's use, and how it would be annoying when wanting a lot of regular urban streets.
I think the generic streets are better, as RiTides says you don't want a plaza involved in every set up.
Which is what will happen when this is one of your 6 tiles.
I hope the circle plaza area doesn't make it to the 28mm (40k) version,
The tile is great except for that!
I think if it was a square design the problem wouldn't exist as it could be the location for a important building..
I was just adding that the big circle will be in one of the 6 areas of the board for every game!
I should point out that this Big o Circle is not a deal breaker!!
I can just place a big o building over it if I don't wanna look at it.
I still want want want one of these boards.
I'm actually starting to come around to the idea! Any of these would look excellent at the center.
The problem I have is that there are no big cities that I know of with all the empty space and sidewalk/pavement that you see in the DZC terrain. I think there should be twice as many buildings. But then if you do this LOS is shortened and the game changes a great deal. I wonder how differently DZC would play in an open field area with a fortress or complex in the middle of the board as the goal? Every game that I've seen for DZC is done in the middle of a highly urban area.
from my experience playing Infinity, when roads are not parallel to the board edges, but at an angle, the gaming experience is vastly improved, of course this cannot be done in a modular board, at least not easily.
Can't believe they really did name the Deadzone Overlay add-on after me. :-p That's so weirdly cool. What an odd thing to be flattered by, but it just feels neat having gone from a hobbyist six months ago, to working with Mantic on Deadzone fiction, and then having some table-top product named after me. LOL
Good work, NewTruth! And hopefully more road layouts will be possible at 28mm once another design gets unlocked for it. Very happy to have the 5th design for 10mm unlocked, which is what I'm in for
yeah, I'm not sure if they will have extra boards for 28mm as they have shown the 6 you get for your pledge. Although an alternative straight and/or a road dead end and/or a L-shape turn would be amazing and get me to up my pledge.
I'm excited to see the final Anime Wars scifi board.
I posted on the Kickstarter page, but the 105K goal (which is a ways away) should not be Hellscape. It is one of the less popular boards. Imo, it should be the Anime Wars board.
You say it will be easy to reach, but there are only about 11K of single early birds left. If I add in the 4x early bird level, it's about 17K. If I add in the Xmas Special (which is a whopping 33 pounds more than the single early bird ) it's STILL only about 35K.
If all of those go, and that's quite a bit, the pledge total will only reach 110K. Thus, the 105K goal matters quite a bit.
I really think it should be one of the more popular boards, rather than giving the Hellscape board a 6th option before any of the other 28mm designs. I like the DzC board being at 95K, as it will be VERY popular. But for the first 28mm board to get all 6 tile options, it should be anything BUT Hellscape. Obviously, I'd like it to be Anime Wars, but anything other than Hellscape would be an improvement... we just unlocked a Hellscape board at the current (75K) stretch. It should not be at 105K!
Honestly if the goals were closer together I think they'd go faster.
edit: As in, more people say "Oh, the 6th option is just that far away - I'll pledge a little more to get there." As it is the jumps between them seem giant.
And I'd rather Helscape but I may be biased because that's the one I'm likely going to get.
I am getting condused. So, still no generic simple board (like RoB flat tiles but with out skullpits etc) ?
Is it meant to be an unlock? I am not putting money in hoping ti will be an unlock and then it not reaching it.
You did say at the beginning when asking for feedback that a basic generic would be available - why the change? That board out of all boards has got to be the one with the least amount of effort to produce.
@Ritides, your enthusiasm for Anime wars is infectious!
Based on current numbers you are correct. But give us some time to get all the add on products. As the average pledge per backer can change all those numbers you quoted. So once all the terrain kits are complete and more is offered, Case and more. It should change those numbers . Once the early birds go, and xmas rewards kick in it's a whole new page and then on to more good things. The Average pledge per backer will increase naturally.
35 Days to go. It's been awesome thus far and what is in store is equally exciting.
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fullheadofhair wrote: I am getting condused. So, still no generic simple board (like RoB flat tiles but with out skullpits etc) ?
Is it meant to be an unlock? I am not putting money in hoping ti will be an unlock and then it not reaching it.
You did say at the beginning when asking for feedback that a basic generic would be available - why the change? That board out of all boards has got to be the one with the least amount of effort to produce.
The main 5 themes designs where done by our partners. If we are able to do one within this KS it will be either a Hawk Wargames battle board or ND battle board. These are the battle boards they want to do initially. Hopefully we will get to a level we can do more
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I'm in (and probably will stay in, but who knows what will happen in a month) for a Hellscape board. My only concern is that it looks like each tile will have some sort of feature and smooth edges which seems like it might make for some really noticeable tiling. I seem to recall a similar concern with the boards that Secret Weapon is making with regards to their scrap yard theme. Using 2x2 boards probably reduces this, and sticking some terrain over the bare patches probably helps as well, but I'm looking forward to seeing more images of the theme. At around 100USD *and* prepainted though... damn... going to be hard to say no.
lord_blackfang wrote: City boards never play well, in my experience. Long, straight open spaces are terrible. Might as well at least look good.
That where cars - both damaged an trashed - like the Antoceti (sp?) Workshop terrain for Mars Attacks comes in, not to mention Jersey barriers, rubble, etc, etc...
I may not have done this correctly as I did it without making unreasonable demands of the project creator first, but I've dropped my pledge on this. I just don't think I'll get enough use out of the boards.
Riquende, that is the only, and I mean the ONLY, way to do it if you need to / must / etc.
The alternate Hellscape theme is a little better, so that's good. But I don't think we'll see the 6th tile of anything beyond that unlock, unless more Early Bird priced pledges are opened once these fill up as the holidays progress. Ah well, I'll just sit back and watch since my friend and I are in for 3 6'x4' boards and 6 trays if we count our pledges together (we're splitting a trays pack, so I can get 2 trays with felt in them for cheaper ).
One note G&G- You might not want to talk too much about "raising the average pledge per backer". That also sounds like, you know, squeezing us for money . Better to focus on getting the word out to new backers, and the average pledge will naturally take care of itself.
I have personally maxed out already, though- I don't tend to slowly increase my pledge throughout campaigns, or at least I try not to- I pledge for what I think is appropriate and then tweak it at the end.
I did add on for trays, but that will be it for me!
1.) Someone should fix the title of this thread, esp. the kickstarter typo. E.g: "Games & Gears Battleboards Kickstarter - NOW LIVE"
2.) Funny how projects from UK always distringuish between UK and EU (UK is part of EU and Europe).
3.) Haven't read this thead, but I don't understand why the second, XMAS special pledge is much more expensive than the still available early bird, for the same content.
The alternate Hellscape theme is a little better, so that's good. But I don't think we'll see the 6th tile of anything beyond that unlock, unless more Early Bird priced pledges are opened once these fill up as the holidays progress. Ah well, I'll just sit back and watch since my friend and I are in for 3 6'x4' boards and 6 trays if we count our pledges together (we're splitting a trays pack, so I can get 2 trays with felt in them for cheaper ).
One note G&G- You might not want to talk too much about "raising the average pledge per backer". That also sounds like, you know, squeezing us for money . Better to focus on getting the word out to new backers, and the average pledge will naturally take care of itself.
I have personally maxed out already, though- I don't tend to slowly increase my pledge throughout campaigns, or at least I try not to- I pledge for what I think is appropriate and then tweak it at the end.
I did add on for trays, but that will be it for me!
We are in an awesome position of 800 backers and some time left to get more done on our end. We are on track to unlocking everything, some days we will have huge surges some days will be quite. But we are on track. Great thing is we can amend and be flexible when needed. Still not many people are aware of the KS since we have not banner adverts and it is an organic community word of mouth success. Open days and more neat stuff and also the community continue to spread the word of mouth will get us there .
On the AVPB, we are trying to have an honest conversation and be very open about the strategy as our backers are our investors. However you have a good point, our frankness and openness can be mis-interpreted to what people maybe use to culturally.
Lastly, thank sir for your support and everything else same goes to all who have backed us here. Just a real pleasure on behalf of the crew to do this project and you lot make it all worth it, seriously.
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Well projects from the UK can ship to the UK a lot more cheaply than the rest of the EU.....
Correct, there is no USPS version in the EU. So shipping to the Continent is different Thant the UK in terms of services available to us. When and if an EUPS is formed or a more harmonized postal service for the EU then no problem, but each nation has there own rules and customs.
3.) Haven't read this thead, but I don't understand why the second, XMAS special pledge is much more expensive than the still available early bird, for the same content.
There is only under 180 EBs left at 62.00GBP and a few left at the x4 pledge. Once they go the Xmas pledge gets in, celebration of Hanukah & Xmas.
Regarding the banner, it's pretty cheap to get a banner ad on Dakka if you so choose, just FYI. I think you're already aware of that, but info is here:
Most people who follow N&R should know about your campaign already, of course! But it might give it a little more visibility for people who don't frequent this section of the site.
I'm starting to waver. Considering the difference between 6mm and 10mm...
Also, $200 would let me build a lot of table and terrain in the scale I want. I have no interest in resin terrain or the trays. To be honest, the terrain seems a little uninspired.
I'll keep my money in for now and see how it goes. C'mon 6mm...
Isn't the DZC cityscape like $36 from some places online? So, why do I want the pack you have for 25.00GBP, isn't that about $33? Bleh.
I don't think there are plans for 6mm in the short term, Kendachi, unless this skyrockets... the Hawk Wargames 10mm board is about the best you can do. Perhaps modify it for 6mm, it's got to be a decent starting point... rub off the painted lines on the roads and add an extra lane, etc?
The 6mm market is niche enough I can't see them going for that. The 10mm board makes more sense, since Hawk Wargames already had the designs made, and it can likely double up for 15mm if needed (I certainly plan to use it for such).
RiTides wrote: Riquende, that is the only, and I mean the ONLY, way to do it if you need to / must / etc.
The alternate Hellscape theme is a little better, so that's good. But I don't think we'll see the 6th tile of anything beyond that unlock, unless more Early Bird priced pledges are opened once these fill up as the holidays progress. Ah well, I'll just sit back and watch since my friend and I are in for 3 6'x4' boards and 6 trays if we count our pledges together (we're splitting a trays pack, so I can get 2 trays with felt in them for cheaper ).
One note G&G- You might not want to talk too much about "raising the average pledge per backer". That also sounds like, you know, squeezing us for money . Better to focus on getting the word out to new backers, and the average pledge will naturally take care of itself.
I have personally maxed out already, though- I don't tend to slowly increase my pledge throughout campaigns, or at least I try not to- I pledge for what I think is appropriate and then tweak it at the end.
I did add on for trays, but that will be it for me!
RT - I agree with what you've said here, and was making similar noises at the start of the campaign. Every time I get a G&G update extolling the virtues of going out there and recruiting more cult members for the cause and increasing the average pledge amount per backer by "just" another £10, or £50 it raises the hackles in the back of my neck. Personally at least, it bothers me quite a lot to be "spoken" to in that manner, and makes me wonder when they intend to send the women out to do some flirty fishing.
In the opening day, when I asked about how I'd add a third board to me 2x pledge for £64 and they said "upgrade to four" it flagged this stuff early. I got my wife's account to pledge for a single board, so now I have the option of keeping one, two, three or of course, none. Again, to be decided in the last day. Christmas Day, as it happens. (Is there a more inappropriate time to end a campaign? Especially one that's constantly sending out requests to "upgrade" pledges?) So anyway, I'm currently down for 3 boards over 2 backers. I've got no interest whatsoever in expensive trays, or expensive resin scenery, or any of that other gak.
The other two things that bother me about this campaign are - firstly something I brought up a week or so ago - the £10k stretch goals that each unlock one tile per style, when the initial £35k somehow "unlocked" 20 tiles. WTF is up with that? Either they needed a lot more than that to hit their real target, or they need a feth load less per additional tile. Either way, it feels dishonest - because it clearly is. When a campaign creator is clearly being so dishonest with the numbers, it erodes whatever trust you might have in them. And, well, that's a bit of a problem. Of course, this being perceived as a "negative" question, or trying to look behind the curtain, or too intrusive, or whatever - means it just gets ignored by G&G - when it just means I can do basic mathematics - choosing to ignore this kind of question outright simply doesn't help trust.
The other is simply that G&G only appear to respond at all to positive feedback. GW cops so much flak for "this is great news", but G&G have taken this to comedic extremes. Well-written and/or reasonable posts that point out issues or concerns get ignored, or perhaps a small aspect of the post gets picked up "great to see you're so enthusiastic about the Anima Tactics board!" - and again, it engenders a distrust and makes G&G seem a bit ...slimy. It's all very used-car-salesman crossed with the most extreme of "this is great news".
And of this is the kind of communication we can expect during the "give us money" phase...
The other is simply that G&G only appear to respond at all to positive feedback. GW cops so much flak for "this is great news", but G&G have taken this to comedic extremes. Well-written and/or reasonable posts that point out issues or concerns get ignored, or perhaps a small aspect of the post gets picked up "great to see you're so enthusiastic about the Anima Tactics board!" - and again, it engenders a distrust and makes G&G seem a bit ...slimy. It's all very used-car-salesman crossed with the most extreme of "this is great news".
This has been one of the driving factors as to why I haven't felt the need nor the want to back their product, even though DZC is becoming bigger in my local play area and the DZC board would be the perfect way to get the game off the ground where I play. I feel like every time I have tried to offer criticism of a product to improve the product, it's ignored and people that are like, "WE LOVE THIS STUFF" get the responses. So I feel like G&G only see me as a wallet or an ATM instead of an investor in their product and design (of which a KS backer is essentially in most cases).
The problem is that with the successful kickstarter (which at this point would take an act of God to prevent), Games and Gears is being validated that they can get away with a semi-decent product as long as they make their 'early adopters' (if you'll allow me to borrow from the tech world) happy. It's the same sort of vibe I get when I walk into an Apple store.
I think they have a solid KS. Seems they answered everything on the KS. Communication is the best I have seen out of any KS. My club has backed them to the hilt... And I don't think that post deserves a response from G&G.. But continue to bash to your hearts intent!! Lol
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darkeldarcrone wrote: Lol... Azazelx lol.
I think they have a solid KS. Seems they answer everything on the KS. Communication is the best I have seen out of any KS. My club has backed them to the hilt... And I don't think that post deserves a response from G&G.. But continue to bash to your hearts intent!! Lol Lol been lurking and a few of you are just relentless. Funny
Yeah, I'm going to put you on ignore now. Grown-ups are talking - seeya! (or not!)
The problem is that with the successful kickstarter (which at this point would take an act of God to prevent), Games and Gears is being validated that they can get away with a semi-decent product as long as they make their 'early adopters' (if you'll allow me to borrow from the tech world) happy. It's the same sort of vibe I get when I walk into an Apple store.
I'm actually pretty sure that the product will be of good quality - especially for the price (a 6x4 GW felt mat costs $50 here, after all), and they're at least being upfront about things like the depth and such. I think the cobblestone streets board looks unnatural with the razor-sharp gutters, and while they've chosen to ignore what is reasonable feedback on it - at least they're openly showing what it looks like - so we all have the option to buy or not.
I'm also not butthurt about the KS being successful. I'm happy that it is successful, since they look like the kind of products I want to purchase. I simply wish they felt more honest as creators. Perhaps I've been spoiled by creators like Mark/DFG who listen and actually take on feedback, as opposed to treating us like their little army (I get that it's meant to be "in character" or some such, but it's not well written enough to be humorous or self-depreciating/modest enough to not irk me.)
Backed Robotech . One reason I backed this one was based on my mate backing the brushes, they kept communication up till the end and there after service according to him was top notch. But the Ninja's are a little quite, still getting Robotech updates so seems good.
I think they have a solid KS. Seems they answered everything on the KS. Communication is the best I have seen out of any KS. My club has backed them to the hilt... And I don't think that post deserves a response from G&G.. But continue to bash to your hearts intent!! Lol
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Yeah, with a post count of 100 and ~60 of those in this very thread, I think, with all due respect, people would be totally understandable in questioning your objectivity.
Azazelx wrote: I'm actually pretty sure that the product will be of good quality - especially for the price (a 6x4 GW felt mat costs $50 here, after all), and they're at least being upfront about things like the depth and such. I think the cobblestone streets board looks unnatural with the razor-sharp gutters, and while they've chosen to ignore what is reasonable feedback on it - at least they're openly showing what it looks like - so we all have the option to buy or not.
The DZC board I saw at GenCon was not to my liking, but I will admit that perhaps I am not their target audience for that board as RiTides, whom I consider a reasonably level headed fellow disagreed with me on that board, but the brick work and the cobblestone on the fantasy board could have easily been fixed with a few minor changes and been 10 times better, the space Anime Wars board was okay, if a little bland (in my opinion), but the hellscape board was a bit of a misstep and boring (I believe RiTides said that a cracked earth would have been a better choice/idea and I agree with that assessment, regardless of who said it)
I'm also not butthurt about the KS being successful. I'm happy that it is successful, since they look like the kind of products I want to purchase. I simply wish they felt more honest as creators. Perhaps I've been spoiled by creators like Mark/DFG who listen and actually take on feedback, as opposed to treating us like their little army (I get that it's meant to be "in character" or some such, but it's not well written enough to be humorous or self-depreciating/modest enough to not irk me.)
There has only been one Kickstarter that I've seen that I honestly wished was not successful, this is not it. My problem with this kickstarter being successful is that G&G is putting out what I think is an inferior product to what they could (see my suggestions earlier in the thread) and having people being okay with an inferior product simply because of the price/"deals" (also that GW mat doesn't exist anymore, sadly), thus why I compared it to how I feel whenever I walk into an Apple store. They have put out a good product, and they're very good with their image, but they try to sell you an inferior product and people lap it up because of some reason or another.
If you are really passionate and really want to have a good discussion about certain aspects and help us constructively then send us a PM. As we have not received any from those few same posters who may have issue... and received a lot from those who are interested and want to see us do more and improve here since the inception of the this thread which has been here for a long time . We understand trying to sway and change perceptions for the better or worse. The best we can do is make good products and give good value to our backers .
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Here is some pics of the Deadzone 3" Square Grid available on our Kickstarter. These are really sweet. We look forward to the Mantic Open Day. It's going to be good!
Azazel, I guess I've come round on the tone. People communicate in different ways, it's not something I'm going to get too concerned over. As for content, I made the above post regarding that, and Games & Gears have actually listened about the content of their posts previously. So, I think that's actually something you can discuss and have your feedback taken on. But tone is harder- maybe they're just that enthusiastic about the product . I certainly like it a lot, and think the value for the money is pretty insane! But, I just don't think tone is something a person can change as easily- ah well, like I said doesn't really bother me
I do think a compromise is possible- Games & Gears, for example, a number of folks have mentioned the border of the anima tactics (fantasy) board. If the border of the roads was not so straight, the cobbles would look a lot more natural. Do you think you could look into changing that, or is it already set?
Azazel, regarding pledge total- it's very likely G&G raised funding on their own for the initial 20 boards, and just needed 35K or the like to complete the funding. So, I don't necessarily see a discrepancy there- just that the initial goal is discounted due to their covering the rest of the cost.
Dreamforge augmented their KS funding with outside sources too, I believe... it makes sense that a company that wants to put out a product would put in some traditional investment, too.
I do think a compromise is possible- Games & Gears, for example, a number of folks have mentioned the border of the anima tactics (fantasy) board. If the border of the roads was not so straight, the cobbles would look a lot more natural. Do you think you could look into changing that, or is it already set?
As mentioned on the KS comments section and updates. The Anima Battle Board is being revamped on and the roads are changing to that specification. The Ninja's are on it!
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With the amazing feats the gaming community has supported us thus far, it's hard not to be super enthused about our own products. For which we are guilty as charged!
GamesNGears wrote: As mentioned on the KS comments section and updates. The Anima Battle Board is being revamped on and the roads are changing to that specification. The Ninja's are on it!
I had totally missed this, and that is excellent!
Now if the Hellscape board could just have that pentagram type logo removed from the one board, it could basically double as "cracked earth" (which I had not mentioned, but came up above) which a lot of folks were interested in . Especially with that alternate scheme. Cheers
If at first you dont succeed rethink replan and try again.
Selling single pieces of 1x1 board at £8 doesn't work.
Selling a full 6x4 of pieces for £62 does. However its the DZC tie in, and others, which fixes this.
We went berserk backing this on the DZC forums, I bought one and regretted not buying two, so I made a second account to do so. As I made the first account for this project you could pretty much say I'm a fiorm backer.
GamesNGears wrote: As mentioned on the KS comments section and updates. The Anima Battle Board is being revamped on and the roads are changing to that specification. The Ninja's are on it!
I had totally missed this, and that is excellent!
Now if the Hellscape board could just have that pentagram type logo removed from the one board, it could basically double as "cracked earth" (which I had not mentioned, but came up above) which a lot of folks were interested in . Especially with that alternate scheme. Cheers
If and when cracked earth makes a return it will be part of the Hellscape Series . As a Ninja Division battle board. We need to get approval and insure it fits the theme.
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Orlanth wrote: If at first you dont succeed rethink replan and try again.
Selling single pieces of 1x1 board at £8 doesn't work.
Selling a full 6x4 of pieces for £62 does. However its the DZC tie in, and others, which fixes this.
We went berserk backing this on the DZC forums, I bought one and regretted not buying two, so I made a second account to do so. As I made the first account for this project you could pretty much say I'm a fiorm backer.
Thanks and well said. Very much appreciate your support and everyone else. We sincerely are still blown away with the fantastic support. Hope the tone is ok... But we cannot be thankful enough. Just cannot wait to get the Battle Boards to you. Lets smash through the stretch goals .
On that note. Hawk Wargames will be demoing the G&G Dropzone Commander Battle Board at the Mantic Day Open Day. So if you are able to make it. Make sure you get a game on it!
Pic below is the Hellscape Alt base painted variant.
Ok some intended to be seen as helpful comments for you:
The following features suck:
1. The Anima fantasy flooring. As mentioned by others the pavement and roads needs to be a lot more irregular. Frankly I was put off by this.
2. Individual tilesets for the Hellscape. Now I am not a Hellscape customer so take this with a pinch of salt, but I think there is a terrible error just waiting to happen.
Take a look at this:
You might not even have seen the error yourselves, unlike the other boards this one has not been shown as a 4x4. Notice all the others fit together, this however has no correcting terrain, each tile from this one to all the others id individual and independent and unconnected. Irts all verty well to have funky scarring in the shape of runes, and perhaps you can pull it off but unless the scarring connects at the sides all you are left with are bathroom tiles with a wierd pattern. I suppose hell could be a grid of squares but it would make more sense of the scarring connected at every corner and side and formed pattern within the tiles.
Please show us a grid of all four (five) tiles together and you will see what I mean, or at least challenge me to show I am wrong and your vision fits together as a whole.
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Also some suggestions for you.
1. Please consider making some walls for the Anime Wars battleboard.
You have each tile connecting at yellow and black striped sections, wouldnt it be nice if those were doorways. A series of appropriate + , L and T sections would tern the board into a series of 2"x"2" rooms (holds?) to fight over.
2. Modify the Dropzone Commander Battleboards please.
This new board unlocked is four of Hawk Wargames 1"x1" tiles.
Might youi utilise the levity of having larger tiles to make the tiles less regular along the internal edges. It still looks too much like four tiles.
Also how are you going to raise or indent the grass areas? I wonder if it will remain practical to add a layer of flock ourselves for extra texture
Also consider adding feature Mr Lewis missed:
- Gutters and road drainage grates.
- Manholes.
- Some occasional irregularities like broken or raised/indented pavements. Please don't leave it prefectly smooth.
Anime Wars:
That maybe a job for B4H!! will pass it on
Hawk Wargames Urban Battle field battle board.
The grass area will be recessed 1mm-2mm approx so you can add water feature, grass feature, rubble features or else. As for everything else we will pass it on to Hawk Wargames
Regarding the Hellscape boards connecting together, this has been a concern for a number of folks. Is there no way to make the cracks go all the way to the edge, G&G? They don't have to line up with the next tile- they're cracks. But it would suck to have a gap with no cracks near the edges of each tile.
RiTides wrote: Regarding the Hellscape boards connecting together, this has been a concern for a number of folks. Is there no way to make the cracks go all the way to the edge, G&G? They don't have to line up with the next tile- they're cracks. But it would suck to have a gap with no cracks near the edges of each tile.
Kroothawk wrote:2.) Funny how projects from UK always distringuish between UK and EU (UK is part of EU and Europe).
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Well projects from the UK can ship to the UK a lot more cheaply than the rest of the EU.....
GamesNGears wrote:Correct, there is no USPS version in the EU. So shipping to the Continent is different Thant the UK in terms of services available to us. When and if an EUPS is formed or a more harmonized postal service for the EU then no problem, but each nation has there own rules and customs.
Your kickstarter text says otherwise: EU and every part of EU incl UK have same shipping cost:
FREE SHIPPING to: USA, UK, EU, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, JAPAN & SINGAPORE.
And believe it or not: UK is indeed part of the European continent
Continent [ˈkɒntɪnənt]
n
(Placename) the mainland of Europe as distinguished from the British Isles
And by your logic, apparently it costs the same to ship to "USA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, JAPAN & SINGAPORE" as well as every nation in the EU. Clearly, they're subsidizing the shipping, which is very nice of them.
I do the same thing when I ship Dakka Dice to Dakkanauts worldwide. Shipping is "free" for everybody, but it by no means costs me the same to ship to everybody! Really not sure where you're going with this, but the fact that the actual cost is different should be pretty obvious.
Most shipping services in the US make the same distinction here with shipping to the "non-continental" United States- such as Hawaii. Part of the US, but not part of the same continent... just like Britain
Kroothawk wrote:2.) Funny how projects from UK always distringuish between UK and EU (UK is part of EU and Europe).
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Well projects from the UK can ship to the UK a lot more cheaply than the rest of the EU.....
GamesNGears wrote:Correct, there is no USPS version in the EU. So shipping to the Continent is different Thant the UK in terms of services available to us. When and if an EUPS is formed or a more harmonized postal service for the EU then no problem, but each nation has there own rules and customs.
Your kickstarter text says otherwise: EU and every part of EU incl UK have same shipping cost:
FREE SHIPPING to: USA, UK, EU, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, JAPAN & SINGAPORE.
And believe it or not: UK is indeed part of the European continent
Yes but we have a warehouse in the UK to service the UK and one in Germany to service the EU. ....Make sense? so it is separate... We have a dedicated UK service because our shipping dept is based in the UK. We would do the same if we were in any other country in the EU. So if we were based in France we would service France separately than the rest of the EU. If you want more explanation of why it is like this. PM us and our shipping manager who is into this will be happy to talk about it
"Yes but we have a warehouse in the UK to service the UK and one in Germany to service the EU. ....Make sense? so it is separate... We have a dedicated UK service because our shipping dept is based in the UK. We would do the same if we were in any other country in the EU. So if we were based in France we would service France separately than the rest of the EU. If you want more explanation of why it is like this. PM us and our shipping manager who is into this will be happy to talk about it "
I defy this logic!!! Raaaa! Actually it makes sense... :p. Enjoying this thread.
I think this picture more emphasises other points than dismissed it. if you look at the picture there is a strip in the middle of the 4x2 bit - presumably where the 2 boards meet - that has no cracked effect at all. Gives the whole thing the look of 2x2 boards pushed together rather than a complete battlefield.
It's not really a be all and end all thing for me, particularly as I'm reasonable good at DIY and can probably cut out some "cracks" myself, but I think it is these bland strips that might be putting people off.
Oh man, I got so worked up about continents that I missed that pic
That actually looks better than I expected when put together. There is a gap, though... in the end it wasn't a board I was interested in so it doesn't really matter to me, but if the cracks could go all the way to the edge, at least at a few points, it would really help break up that bare section (which might look like a line down the middle of the table once you've got 6 boards together).
This is something we suggested in the early stages. The empty areas do have a fine sand feel to them. We will pass it on though. That said there is a rough fine sand feel to the clean sand areas. The new GW brown technical paint also adds more to those areas, just thought I should mention that as we have been messing around with those.
That said let us get all the four hell scape boards together for when you see it in full hellish glory. It looks quite neat. Should be done by Friday.
The DZC board I saw at GenCon was not to my liking, but I will admit that perhaps I am not their target audience for that board as RiTides, whom I consider a reasonably level headed fellow disagreed with me on that board, but the brick work and the cobblestone on the fantasy board could have easily been fixed with a few minor changes and been 10 times better, the space Anime Wars board was okay, if a little bland (in my opinion), but the hellscape board was a bit of a misstep and boring (I believe RiTides said that a cracked earth would have been a better choice/idea and I agree with that assessment, regardless of who said it)
I agree with you on the urban fantasy board, as we were both making the same points to G&G earlier - and I agree it could have been fixed relatively easily. But having said that, I'm just not going to ever buy it (when I probably would have). Ultimately, it's their loss. Pretty sure we're in agreement on the Hellscape board as well - and again a simple texturing of it would fix 90% of the issue - cracked earth would have been even better.
There has only been one Kickstarter that I've seen that I honestly wished was not successful, this is not it. My problem with this kickstarter being successful is that G&G is putting out what I think is an inferior product to what they could (see my suggestions earlier in the thread) and having people being okay with an inferior product simply because of the price/"deals" (also that GW mat doesn't exist anymore, sadly), thus why I compared it to how I feel whenever I walk into an Apple store. They have put out a good product, and they're very good with their image, but they try to sell you an inferior product and people lap it up because of some reason or another.
Being quite blunt, the whole hobby is filled with "almost were" and "might have been" and "so close buy missed it" -level products, from Workshop on down. I'm just willing to ignore (and not buy) their sub-par products and pick up the better ones, just as I am with anyone else.
GamesNGears wrote: wow what happened here.
If you are really passionate and really want to have a good discussion about certain aspects and help us constructively then send us a PM. As we have not received any from those few same posters who may have issue... and received a lot from those who are interested and want to see us do more and improve here since the inception of the this thread which has been here for a long time . We understand trying to sway and change perceptions for the better or worse. The best we can do is make good products and give good value to our backers .
The messages are right here, loud and clear in a public discussion forum. "Send us a PM" is a bs cop-out. It's up to you as the creator to actually engage with the customers, and if you're actually able to read the posts that are written here you're just as capable of pressing the bloody PM button. If you're too lazy to do so, then it's on you. I've made pertinent points on Kickstarter campaigns before and gotten direct feedback from creators and reps who've read the posts and been proactive enough to press the PM button themselves. I hardly think I'm a unique special snowflake in that regard.
Besides, when I asked about adding a third board, you politely suggested to me that I should just buy four instead.
@RT - regardless, they skip over any criticisms- constructive or not, refuse to address concerns, and generally just pick up on the "we LOVE it" aspects of posts. They did it yet again to your post.
I look forward to seeing how this campaign goes once the EBs run out and what happens if the 5th and 6th boards for the existing designs don't unlock...
I agree with you on the urban fantasy board, as we were both making the same points to G&G earlier - and I agree it could have been fixed relatively easily. But having said that, I'm just not going to ever buy it (when I probably would have). Ultimately, it's their loss. Pretty sure we're in agreement on the Hellscape board as well - and again a simple texturing of it would fix 90% of the issue - cracked earth would have been even better.
Azazelx, sometimes I really wonder if you skip reading some posts; earlier in this thread GamesNGears responded to Orlanth saying the Anima fantasy boards are being revamped and they have said as much on their Kickstarter. Actual quotes in spoiler below or you can scroll to the top of page 23.
Besides, when I asked about adding a third board, you politely suggested to me that I should just buy four instead.
I actually thought you were a bit ridiculous asking to add another board at early bird price after you already grabbed an early bird for a lower amount of tables. When you snagged your early bird, the early bird with one more board was still open which you could of grabbed. It smacked of entitlement/laziness to me. Heck, even now you can create a second account and snag a single board early bird; a bit underhanded, but...
@RT - regardless, they skip over any criticisms- constructive or not, refuse to address concerns, and generally just pick up on the "we LOVE it" aspects of posts. They did it yet again to your post.
Actually, they have responded to criticisms and are making changes to the Anima Fantasy Board, they are doing the "wait and see it all together" tactic with the Hellscape board and actually doing suggestions from backers like doing the Deadzone overlays. So to me it looks like they are trying to address some concerns. Perhaps I'm willing to give them some leeway since their brushes kickstarter was the only one to deliver on time of the eight I should of received stuff for.
I look forward to seeing how this campaign goes once the EBs run out and what happens if the 5th and 6th boards for the existing designs don't unlock...
As do I; be interesting to see how they react and how the backers react. See what they do to make it all work to their benefit.
RiTides wrote: Oh man, I got so worked up about continents that I missed that pic .
BTW first entry when googling Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Somehow, they call the whole of Europe a continent.
It is only the Brits, that claim not being part of the continent and the EU and UK warehouses not being in the EU or on the European continent. Just saying
If it looked something like that, it could be useful to a lot of people, since it could pass for any generic old European town.
And now that we can see the layout for the 28mm urban boards, those are a little disappointing as well. With the selection of road pieces (one 4-way, one straight, and two t-junctions), there really aren't very many ways to lay out the roads without abrupt dead ends. I think those board layouts were very poorly planned.
Azazelx, sometimes I really wonder if you skip reading some posts; earlier in this thread GamesNGears responded to Orlanth saying the Anima fantasy boards are being revamped and they have said as much on their Kickstarter. Actual quotes in spoiler below or you can scroll to the top of page 23.
Posting as I read through the thread, darling. This means I don't read through the entire thread before replying to individual posts. For example, I'm not reading the last post in this thread before replying to you right now. So on the Anima tactics board -
1) that's great that they're finally listening to the feedback, and
2) like a lot of other people in this thread, I had no idea they were doing it, since
3) I didn't see it mentioned in the updates, possibly
4) because I don't really read KS comments sections, so many of us miss whatever KS creators have to say in those unless others repeat them later.
I actually thought you were a bit ridiculous asking to add another board at early bird price after you already grabbed an early bird for a lower amount of tables. When you snagged your early bird, the early bird with one more board was still open which you could of grabbed. It smacked of entitlement/laziness to me. Heck, even now you can create a second account and snag a single board early bird; a bit underhanded, but...
Entitlement? Really? It's a business transaction. They're not my friends and they're not doing me a favour by letting me spend money with them any more than any of us are doing them a favour by supplying the seed money to fund their products. Adding another is actually standard in a lot of KS campaigns in the miniatures/wargaming space - people pick up an early bird moogle, and later on decide that they would like/can afford an additional moogle but not lose their EB slot. Given that this campaign ends on Christmas Day, throwing an additional $100 at them isn't anything I want to commit to. Also, do you think I'm the only person backing this Kickstarter that might want to add an additional board down the line? Do you think many people with an EB slot are going to be happy to add an extra board for +50% or almost double their EB amount? That's called leaving money on the table.
Now, given that they very much appear to want to increase the average spend per backer, and that I (and presumably some other people) have no interest in trays or resin scenery, a pretty simple way of bumping that number is to allow people to add more boards if they're not interested in any of the other extraneous junk they're selling. Now, I have indeed gotten my wife to pledge for a single additional board with her account - don't you read the posts you're actually replying to? - and assuming we both stay in, G&G get to pay postage for two separate packages instead of combining the two. Same deal with anyone who managed to snag two singles rather than the double set. If we drop, an EB slot will open up in the final hour, which means we're squatting on what could potentially be another backer who might be interested in their scenery or trays.
Yep, perfect solution.
See, I'm actually in the I'm Alright Jack position on this and have been since 10 minutes after they sent me their rather shortsighted reply. I can keep both pledges and have three boards, or drop either and have one or two - or even drop both if money is tight for Christmas. Whether they change their silly restrictions or not, it won't affect me. It doesn't stop me from feeding back to G&G that it's a bloody stupid idea.
Actually, they have responded to criticisms and are making changes to the Anima Fantasy Board, they are doing the "wait and see it all together" tactic with the Hellscape board and actually doing suggestions from backers like doing the Deadzone overlays. So to me it looks like they are trying to address some concerns. Perhaps I'm willing to give them some leeway since their brushes kickstarter was the only one to deliver on time of the eight I should of received stuff for.
Well, if you read through the earlier parts of this very thread, you can see where they simply skip over the issues people highlighted with the Anima Tactics board, without even a token "we'll look into it". Instead, they chose to pick up on the comments from others saying that they liked the design, and simply parroted that back in their reply about HOW AMAZING EVERYTHING IS. Kickstarter comments sections are generally spam-filled shitholes, that are incredibly difficult to wade through since it's like one long painful twitter conversation thread - so I don't find them at all useful for following or interacting...
I'll be blunt - I'm less likely to give them leeway on anything since they refuse to engage with anything (here at least) besides cheerleading. Compare that to someone like Mark from DFG who takes time to address people's concerns and therefore retains an enormous amount of goodwill despite his KS being over a year late now.
I look forward to seeing how this campaign goes once the EBs run out and what happens if the 5th and 6th boards for the existing designs don't unlock...
As do I; be interesting to see how they react and how the backers react. See what they do to make it all work to their benefit.
If they can. I think the long, long campaign and choice to end it on Christmas Day is going to hurt them a lot more than it helps...
RiTides wrote: Oh man, I got so worked up about continents that I missed that pic .
BTW first entry when googling Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe Somehow, they call the whole of Europe a continent.
It is only the Brits, that claim not being part of the continent and the EU and UK warehouses not being in the EU or on the European continent. Just saying
UK is in Europe has been for 1000s of years!!! I think you mean European Union (the political governing union) which not everyone (Euro Country) is in the E.U. The KS is non political. It's really because our Forwarders class UK and EU separately. That is pretty much it!
Azazelx, sometimes I really wonder if you skip reading some posts; earlier in this thread GamesNGears responded to Orlanth saying the Anima fantasy boards are being revamped and they have said as much on their Kickstarter. Actual quotes in spoiler below or you can scroll to the top of page 23.
Posting as I read through the thread, darling. This means I don't read through the entire thread before replying to individual posts. For example, I'm not reading the last post in this thread before replying to you right now.
That's probably not for the best, and something you might want to revise going forward.
3) I didn't see it mentioned in the updates, possibly
Well doll, it was mentioned in update #4 and I quote
Update #4 Nov 18, 2013
Table of Contents for this Update:
-Anima Revamp, how long?
The revamp is under way. We should have a target date for release of the revamp picture designs on the 19th of Novemeber 2013. Ninja Division have had a Ninja G5 Summit and are ready to show you awesome. It's really cool. Thank you for your patience it will certainly be worth it.
I will not lie and say I am not disappointed that it's two days past the supposed share date of the revamp, but honestly I'm not in it for that board.
If they can. I think the long, long campaign and choice to end it on Christmas Day is going to hurt them a lot more than it helps...
I agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. Right now I'm alright with what they have shown but not overall excited for the boards. Depending on how my group reacts to the boards, I may be dropping my pledge and make my own stuff. Well crap, now I sound like you, Azazelx dear.
The new road for Anima so far is close to this. Still being worked on
Thank you for the update. That is good news. If the stones in the street end up less "pointy" and more rounded with little gaps in between, like the cobblestones in that picture, and the brick paving is staggered like that, I will definitely be interested. Then I could use it for a fantasy urban area, or a European town for Bolt Action games. I will keep my eye out for updates on the Kickstarter page.
I still think the 28mm sci-fi urban board should have something else, maybe a straight street or dead end, instead of the second T-junction, so there are more possible useful layouts.
The 2x1 shot for the hellscape board looks promising. There's really only one place to see the bars that come about from tiling, so it's hard to say for sure, but it looks like it might be okay.
If I remember when I'm sitting at my desk and have some photo editing software, I'll grab pictures from the 3 tiles that have been posted and try and mock up a 2x3 pattern with them... see what it looks like then.
The new road for Anima so far is close to this. Still being worked on
Thank you for the update. That is good news. If the stones in the street end up less "pointy" and more rounded with little gaps in between, like the cobblestones in that picture, and the brick paving is staggered like that, I will definitely be interested. Then I could use it for a fantasy urban area, or a European town for Bolt Action games. I will keep my eye out for updates on the Kickstarter page.
I still think the 28mm sci-fi urban board should have something else, maybe a straight street or dead end, instead of the second T-junction, so there are more possible useful layouts.
Thank you for your interest Albino Squirrel, we are just waiting for the final proofs to post it up. Ninja's (Ninja Division) are working hard to get it done and approved. From what we have seen, the road is like the picture you showed . We hope to update all as soon as we get the heads up. Would love to see some Bolt Action games on the Anima Battle Boards, Warlord crew are awesome.
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Lansirill wrote: The 2x1 shot for the hellscape board looks promising. There's really only one place to see the bars that come about from tiling, so it's hard to say for sure, but it looks like it might be okay.
If I remember when I'm sitting at my desk and have some photo editing software, I'll grab pictures from the 3 tiles that have been posted and try and mock up a 2x3 pattern with them... see what it looks like then.
We are just waiting for the paint to dry on the alt base painted version we worked on this week for Hellscape. Hoping to post something tomorrow or over the weekend . Mock up would be cool
I'll be honest, most of the problems people are having with this Kickstarter are either unconvincing or uninteresting to me. People don't love the product? OK. G&G seem to be responding fine to the criticism for my tastes.
HOWEVER, the business about the end date is compelling. I'm backing, for one board, and I'm even wavering on that a little bit. Ending a week or two after Christmas, even if that meant delaying the launch by a couple weeks, would have made backing this MUCH easier. The last thing I need on Christmas day is an extra $100 disappearing from my checking.
tomjoad wrote: I'll be honest, most of the problems people are having with this Kickstarter are either unconvincing or uninteresting to me. People don't love the product? OK. G&G seem to be responding fine to the criticism for my tastes.
HOWEVER, the business about the end date is compelling. I'm backing, for one board, and I'm even wavering on that a little bit. Ending a week or two after Christmas, even if that meant delaying the launch by a couple weeks, would have made backing this MUCH easier. The last thing I need on Christmas day is an extra $100 disappearing from my checking.
We completely understand, we do have the KS backers kit to sort this out just in case you do miss something out. But we hope to have much of the options and more out before the 15th-19th of December so backers can add everything they want prior the final date. However your support during the campaign and getting everything you want is very much appreciated and thanks
Well doll, it was mentioned in update #4 and I quote
I will not lie and say I am not disappointed that it's two days past the supposed share date of the revamp, but honestly I'm not in it for that board.
Fair enough, honeybunch. I missed it and now stand corrected. Alph - tish and tosh - it's a joke that's bringing us closer together, so I'll keep using it, unless my druidic friend objects, of course.
I have to say, the updated pic posted in this thread and the tone that the latest update was written in (treating us like adults) are both 100% better.
If they can. I think the long, long campaign and choice to end it on Christmas Day is going to hurt them a lot more than it helps...
I agree wholeheartedly with you on this one. Right now I'm alright with what they have shown but not overall excited for the boards. Depending on how my group reacts to the boards, I may be dropping my pledge and make my own stuff. Well crap, now I sound like you, Azazelx dear.
See? We're like two peas in a pod. Except it appears that I might like the actual boards more than you do while you're in it for the other stuff?
HOWEVER, the business about the end date is compelling. I'm backing, for one board, and I'm even wavering on that a little bit. Ending a week or two after Christmas, even if that meant delaying the launch by a couple weeks, would have made backing this MUCH easier. The last thing I need on Christmas day is an extra $100 disappearing from my checking.
We completely understand, we do have the KS backers kit to sort this out just in case you do miss something out. But we hope to have much of the options and more out before the 15th-19th of December so backers can add everything they want prior the final date. However your support during the campaign and getting everything you want is very much appreciated and thanks
The problem there is that extrapolating using the current information you guys have supplied, the backerkit will only allow add-ons and any additional boards would have to be bought at £95 or more likely at £110. I'd much prefer to be able to safely back at an amount I know I can keep to, and then add multiple boards after Christmas. For example - the new Anima board may indeed tickle my fancy, but $400 on Christmas Day? No chance. $300 is already a stretch that likely will end up being too far. Jan 10th or 16th or whenever the backerkit comes out? Sure! Add two more boards if they're still $100! If they're £110/US$178/AU$192 each, then unfortunately it's simply not going to happen.
Lansirill wrote: The 2x1 shot for the hellscape board looks promising. There's really only one place to see the bars that come about from tiling, so it's hard to say for sure, but it looks like it might be okay.
If I remember when I'm sitting at my desk and have some photo editing software, I'll grab pictures from the 3 tiles that have been posted and try and mock up a 2x3 pattern with them... see what it looks like then.
I concur, the two boards together look really great, but that's also not really relevant. You can have two patterns of scarring together without forming an overly obvious grid pattern. However when we get to 2x2 or 3x2 the 'bathroom tile' effect is going to look at lot more obvious IMHO.
The grass area will be recessed 1mm-2mm approx so you can add water feature, grass feature, rubble features or else. As for everything else we will pass it on to Hawk Wargames
So Dave Lewis is doing this himself, interesting. He is already an extremely busy man. Does your franchise allow you to add stuff like drains and manholes yourselves, or do you have to replicate exactly what he creates?
1-2mm recess will be great for adding flock, especially if its closer to 2 than 1.
Here are the two rough mock-ups I made of the Hellscape board. The images aren't the greatest for doing this (and I'm not good enough with Photoshop or Gimp to correct them by any stretch) but I thought I'd share.
Lansirill wrote: Here are the two rough mock-ups I made of the Hellscape board. The images aren't the greatest for doing this (and I'm not good enough with Photoshop or Gimp to correct them by any stretch) but I thought I'd share.
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Thanks Lansirill! We will get pics ready of actual 4 boards together look much better. the lighting makes them look meld not well in that pic as they were taken separately. Also 5th design is up. Appreciate your efforts though!!
Here is one without the individual lighting of a set of 2.
Slinky wrote: That looks pretty nice, thanks for that pic.
Currently the Hellscape is in as one of my 2 boards, as it is the most widely applicable to different games, I think.
Then have to decide between anime wars and 28mm roads for my other...
Thanks Slinky!
Just to add, more Hellscape Pics of alt base painted version to be added today as an update alongside the Major announcement of a another great Miniature company joins the Games & Gears Battleboard Kickstarter!
I'm certainly interested, although I haven't pledged yet. I do have a slight concern with the pre-painted boards, how robust is the paint? How long is it going to survive me dragging models around on it and throwing dice at it? Apologies if you've already covered this somewhere and I didn't spot it.
@grrrfranky, it's solid you will have to start slashing it with a sharp heavy knife to chip it. If you add more paint to it, make sure you seal it well like with anything else
Dust Studio, joins us . Going to play some Dust, Anima and Warmahcine this weekend. Some of us are going to the Mantic open day... cannot wait to play Deadzone on the battle boards
I like the look of the alternate Hellscape board and it is probably what I am going to get. Now the question will be how I match the bases of my Chaos Demon army to it....
yeah, I'm down for three boards. Definitely selecting the 28mm city board (amazing!) and the Anime Wars Battle Board (amazing!) I can not wait to get these.
I have one choice left, but I don't play 10mm games or fantasy... I do however play daemons, so I'm interested in the concept of the Hellscape Board.
But wtf is going on with these hellscape tiles!!!
Tile 1, 2 & 3 all kinda have a jagged rocks thing going on... But some of the lines on the ground look like random squiggles, that anyone with a dremel could replicate... And then some of the rock shape outlines don't join up / complete, so how are we suppose to interpret/paint that?
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Tile 4 looks like a complete mess!
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Seriously G&G what is going on here? this looks like gak...
. .. Then we have Tile 5's cad drawing. It is completely Different! and it is Amazeballs!
It looks amazing! can I have 6 Hellscape tiles that look like this please??
Seriously Hellscape 1-4 tiles should be reworked away from the random crappiness and be more like Tile 5 and the original cracked earth tile you showed during the first KS...
Fair enough, honeybunch. I missed it and now stand corrected. Alph - tish and tosh - it's a joke that's bringing us closer together, so I'll keep using it, unless my druidic friend objects, of course.
I have to say, the updated pic posted in this thread and the tone that the latest update was written in (treating us like adults) are both 100% better.
Glad to hear that you're liking their improvement in communication.
See? We're like two peas in a pod. Except it appears that I might like the actual boards more than you do while you're in it for the other stuff?
Don't get me wrong honey, I like the boards, even the boards I'm not getting (looking forward to the updated Anima board) but if my gaming group doesn't like the boards and have no desire to play on them, it lessens their value to me.
RiTides wrote: Okay guys, can we get back to talking about the boards now
Sure! I'm patiently waiting to see the revamped Anima board and the carring case. Awesome they have a Dust overlay now. Trying to rack my brain on sensible suggestions to possibly improve the Anime Wars and 28mm cityscape boards.
Saxon wrote: I like the look of the alternate Hellscape board and it is probably what I am going to get. Now the question will be how I match the bases of my Chaos Demon army to it....
Awesome thank you sir!
@Panic, lol great you like the 5th design, I am sure we can make them all more awesome . Will get them to discuss . Your enthusiasm is infectious
RiTides wrote: Okay guys, can we get back to talking about the boards now
Sure! I'm patiently waiting to see the revamped Anima board and the carring case. Awesome they have a Dust overlay now. Trying to rack my brain on sensible suggestions to possibly improve the Anime Wars and 28mm cityscape boards.
Don't get me wrong honey, I like the boards, even the boards I'm not getting (looking forward to the updated Anima board) but if my gaming group doesn't like the boards and have no desire to play on them, it lessens their value to me.
Ah, I see what you mean, pun'kin. Are their dislikes towards the designs or with the depth issues? I can see both, actually - but on different boards.
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Alfndrate wrote: Seriously snuggle bunny, look at tile 5 of the hellscape, it's good, like ridiculously good
I agree, snookums. Tile 5 looks great, but the problem with the Hellscape theme is really what Panic outlines above. I'd forgotten about the original cracked earth tile, but that is why I was initially interested enough to go to their facebook site and click the "hell yes" button.
Okay, snuggle bunny got me . But seriously guys, it's getting creepy
I didn't like Tile 5 at first, but am warming up to it (and it seems everyone else loves it!). Tile 4, though, not nearly as good, as Panic points out.
Ah, I see what you mean, pun'kin. Are their dislikes towards the designs or with the depth issues? I can see both, actually - but on different boards.
The problem hot cakes is that only one out of six of my gaming group buddies has actually responded to my request for feedback, so I have no idea what they actually think yet. The sole response was neutral about them and mainly about the trays. Hence the if in my previous comment.
I don't play any 10mm games yet, but I have been thinking about starting DCZ or Planetfall so I've been eyeing the 10mm board. I've been wondering though, what are the little single lane off shoots from the big roads suppose to be on the cityscape tiles? Entrances into parking structures or something else?
Alfndrate wrote: Seriously snuggle bunny, look at tile 5 of the hellscape, it's good, like ridiculously good
I agree, snookums. Tile 5 looks great, but the problem with the Hellscape theme is really what Panic outlines above. I'd forgotten about the original cracked earth tile, but that is why I was initially interested enough to go to their facebook site and click the "hell yes" button.
I'm glad that we both agree on that lumlums I also agree that the cracked earth would have been a much better offering. Hell they probably could have pitched that to the Hell Dorado guys as the hellscape board and people wouldn't be resorting to pet names, and the set would actually be good.
The fantasy roads board got updated, but the razor straight curbs are still a problem and make it a miss for me. The cobbles and brickwork look fine, but all those random lines next to perfectly straight ones breaks the visual for me:
I agree, that mock up makes it look a million times better than the previous version.
But final judgement shall be held on to until I see it in a render, because that black and white mock up makes it look like you're staring at one of those images that can be 3d when you cross your eyes...
If we have time, we are going to mess around with our Anima Tactics, Brushfire , WHFB & Warmahordes mini's after the new year on this battle board, a lot of painting to do!
Can't wait to get some gaming on the Anima Battle Boards!
That does look much better. I don't really get why there are "L" shaped bricks, though. And getting rid of them, like someone else said, would make it less obvious how often the pattern repeats.
Curved curbs will help, but the other problem with the curb is that it is one long continuous piece. That's never going to really look right. It really needs some occasional gaps, so it looks like maybe long pieces of stone carved into shape and fitted together. There probably wouldn't be concrete curbs, though admittedly I don't know anything about the Anima Tactics game, I was hoping to use this board for other fantasy or even historical games. I think it's still not quite there yet for me.
Hopefully they still fix some of those issues. And I'd be interested to see what they pre-paint job is intended to look like.
One of us is starting an Empire fantasy army and cannot wait to game on the battle board. Another is gearing up their Khador and Cygnar. For me, Anima, Brushfire and Malifuax. Also maybe start a WHFB army, KOW or WOK, either way looking forward to game on the Anima battle board.
WOW, that Anima board is a massive improvement over the original that was shown. Color choices make a lot more sense, and the brick patterns are greatly improved. Wish the curb wasn't quite so uniform though. When will the full board be shown?
Also, any news on when the paint racks will ship? I have 2 headed my way.
Alpharius wrote: Cyporiean's suggestions are quite nice - you should try hard to get them into that design!
I do like them, if they don't incorporate the 45 degree angles (because I think round would work just as well), then they should definitely look to adding the lines to break up the 'curbs' a bit.
Also good on GnG for taking a look into the criticisms of their product, I don't think anyone here can say that the anima fantasy boards are not vastly improved by their communication back and forth.
G&G- 45 degree or curved corners will work for me, but I hope you're looking into breaking up the long straight sections like Alfndrate says and Cyp's image also shows.
Adding a few lines like in the image would do wonders, and be very easy for you to add!
I personally was hoping for a wobbly, not straight, line... but hey, if it's straight with a few lines added to break it up, I think that will fix it for the most part.
I look forward to seeing the revised version!
rigeld- darn, now that I've seen the L-shapes, I can't unsee them I agree that that would make the pattern a lot less obvious.
Lobukia wrote: Two things... real masonry has easily seen patterns, but yeah, can't say that I often see "L" shapes in modern or historical brickwork.
Most of the patterns you see are intentional and small scale. This doesn't look like it's supposed to be intentional and it really just jumps out and punches you in the face.
You're right though - with buildings in place it might not be a big deal. I just think that a board shouldn't have to rely on "Well, you're going to cover that up with terrain anyway, so let's ship it sub par."
Alpharius wrote: Add my vote to those that say "break up the long curbs please"!
Same here. The new concept looks a LOT better. The curbs just need to look a little more organic.
Tile 5 of the hellscape board looks greatly improved too. I still think having the textrure go to the edge of those baords would make them flow better.
Happy Thanksgiving & to those who celebrate Hanukkah . Have a good one.
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The reduced stretch goals are very welcome! Glad the next is the final DzC board . Not sure where Anime Wars is in the queue of goals now, but hopefully a final surge near Christmas will net that one, too!
Looking really good so far. Also thanks to our manufacturing crew who have really worked hard here and because of that are able to get through unlocking the stretch goals faster. 24 days to go. Still early days . Every backer counts so we cannot wait for the days to come!
Joyboozer wrote: Can you clean up the front page a bit?
To be honest the current pics really aren't selling me on these boards and looking at it isn't helping.
Working on it in the next few days! thanks
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Just increase my pledge for the terrain. Got two sets of the forty quid deals. Too sweet to miss out. Pre ordered Deadzone and got two more 2by2s deals and two of the deadzone grids.
Here are some Deadzone Pics from one of the crews mobile. Not great but gives you an idea. We loved it. On a 2by2 Anime Wars Battle Board with the Deadzone 3" Overlay Grid sheet. So what is cool is that you will have 5 interchangeable designs and hopefully 6 soon. So when you have your small games can change the environment a bit and for your big games.... well... it will be awesome!
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@GamesandGears - Your boards are beautifully done, and I know you have Deadzone grid overlays, but is there any chance you guys might make a dedicated Deadzone board in the future?"
Our focus now is to unlock all 6 designs on the Kickstarter which we are close to doing day by day,
It is a possibility if that discussion takes place. The rate of the success of our KS will determine our ability of speed to which we can do more in 2014 and beyond.
Thanks for your response regarding my Deadzone inquiry. I'm all kickstarted out this year, but I'll be watching your future output with great interest.
RiTides wrote: One 2x EB is open if anyone was looking for one!
Edit: ....and gone.
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Thanks to you all who have supported this project so far. Exciting times. Cannot wait to unlock all the initial 10 Stretch Goals, Not far from the 6th Stretch Goal
1. Please consider making some walls for the Anime Wars battleboard.
You have each tile connecting at yellow and black striped sections, wouldnt it be nice if those were doorways. A series of appropriate + , L and T sections would tern the board into a series of 2"x"2" rooms (holds?) to fight over.
This year's kickstarters gave me nearly all the minis and terrain I ever wanted for sci-fi skirmish gaming. But one thing is still missing: plastic boards with clip-in, modular walls.
There hasn't been much in that vein in the hobby. There was the out-of-print Halo boardgame:
That set was bland, crude, and didn't implement the concept particularly well, but it was a start.
Currently the (also bland to my eye) Zone Mortalis set is available if you want all of your games set in a Sci-Fi Gothic setting.
Generally speaking, plastic miniature boards aren't the easiest sell. Customers are likely to spend money on miniatures and 3-D terrain first, and customers' ability to make their own boards from other materials, albeit not to the same standard, is a certainty. But after a KS year that saw impressive new terrain products like Mantic's Deadzone and Battle Systems (both of which I backed), we still don't have non - Gothic sci-fi plastic terrain boards that actually anchor the buildings sitting on top of them, or that lock-in variable combinations of interlocking, free-standing walls, to create non-Gothic sci fi modular dungeons / space hulks.
Yes, there are a number of resin and MDF board products that can do this right now. But many gamers prefer plastic to MDF, and for many, modular resin terrain is too difficult to store, and / or too much of a pain to create, and / or will never be affordable. I think there's a window of opportunity here. If you can successfully integrate modular walls into your boards, particularly if you can devise a way to lock freestanding walls into the board itself in infinite combinations, and you can make it work well and look good (that's always the trick), I think you will have something that sets you apart and broadens your appeal.
Partnering with Mantic to make "lock-in" boards compatible with Deadzone scenery would be one possible approach.
1. Please consider making some walls for the Anime Wars battleboard.
You have each tile connecting at yellow and black striped sections, wouldnt it be nice if those were doorways. A series of appropriate + , L and T sections would tern the board into a series of 2"x"2" rooms (holds?) to fight over.
This year's kickstarters gave me nearly all the minis and terrain I ever wanted for sci-fi skirmish gaming. But one thing is still missing: plastic boards with clip-in, modular walls.
There hasn't been much in that vein in the hobby. There was the out-of-print Halo boardgame:
That set was bland, crude, and didn't implement the concept particularly well, but it was a start.
Currently the (also bland to my eye) Zone Mortalis set is available if you want all of your games set in a Sci-Fi Gothic setting.
Generally speaking, plastic miniature boards aren't the easiest sell. Customers are likely to spend money on miniatures and 3-D terrain first, and customers' ability to make their own boards from other materials, albeit not to the same standard, is a certainty. But after a KS year that saw impressive new terrain products like Mantic's Deadzone and Battle Systems (both of which I backed), we still don't have non - Gothic sci-fi plastic terrain boards that actually anchor the buildings sitting on top of them, or that lock-in variable combinations of interlocking, free-standing walls, to create non-Gothic sci fi modular dungeons / space hulks.
Yes, there are a number of resin and MDF board products that can do this right now. But many gamers prefer plastic to MDF, and for many, modular resin terrain is too difficult to store, and / or too much of a pain to create, and / or will never be affordable. I think there's a window of opportunity here. If you can successfully integrate modular walls into your boards, particularly if you can devise a way to lock freestanding walls into the board itself in infinite combinations, and you can make it work well and look good (that's always the trick), I think you will have something that sets you apart and broadens your appeal.
Partnering with Mantic to make "lock-in" boards compatible with Deadzone scenery would be one possible approach.
thanks for the feedback. There is a lot we can do and much of that really is talking to the likes of Mantic and others and making it happen. Right now we are taking it all one step at a time. Making sure we fulfill each promise made. Your ideas are ace. When we have unlocked the next 5 stretch goals and at higher funding. There is a lot we can do and beyond. .
Sinful Hero wrote: Whoa, that is pretty sweet, although I don't know where the "steampunk" is on it.
Maybe it's clockwork terrain?
Is it? I only just see the vents at the top of each pole- not really seeing any gears or anything. Which is actually fine by me because I hate clockwork/steampunk.
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The bear on the bottom of the battlement has that "Oh... gak, he's right behind me isn't he?" face you get when you are talking gak about your boss who is... right there.
Wehrkind wrote: The bear on the bottom of the battlement has that "Oh... gak, he's right behind me isn't he?" face you get when you are talking gak about your boss who is... right there.
Great, now I can't see anything else when looking at it
In true Ninja style.... the Ninja's have Ninja'd part of our UPDATE!! Curses!! , check the rest of the pics. Will be in the new update... Ninja's!! Anime 6th Design and more:
yeah,
Been looking at All 6 boards on facebook.
Any chance of getting straight on flat renders? so we can play around with what all 6 will look like as a table??
I know there are a lot of 'details' to these boards, but they seem very... bland isn't the word, but disjointed? It's like comparing the 5th hellscape to the previous 4 tiles. It doesn't quite match the other tiles. Individually they look good, but I think when trying to put them all together into a table they sort of fall apart in their individuality. Kind like there's no i in team.
I know there are a lot of 'details' to these boards, but they seem very... bland isn't the word, but disjointed? It's like comparing the 5th hellscape to the previous 4 tiles. It doesn't quite match the other tiles. Individually they look good, but I think when trying to put them all together into a table they sort of fall apart in their individuality. Kind like there's no i in team.
I can agree with that for the Anima board - but then these are just the bases without terrain - and you'll need a lot of terrain!
The other use I can see for them is using them as a base on a "normal" grass table for an emplacement location. = so, normal 6x4 flat table with grass mat. Then you have this placed at a location on the table.
Then on top of the tile, you place your imperial Bastion, your Mantic Landing pad, your hab-units, etc - so it's like whoever built the fortifications or docks have placed them onto a concrete/pre-fab slab instead of on dirt, even if it doesn't take up the entire board...
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Some of us played Deadzone for the first time. We used a lot of 40k buildings terrain as our Deadzone terrain is not built yet. As soon as it is we will switch. Guys & gals.... it's pretty sweet Deadzone on Anime Wars. Will post pics tomorrow, we want to get the Deadzone Terrain done first. We will jump on the Mantic thread about the game (pretty sweet and good ruleset).
Once we get our Robottech pledged we backed, its going to see a lot of Robotech Action. Works really well with 40k funny enough with the scenery on. Felt like a massive battle in a smashed up tech factory. I think you just have to play around with Anime Wars if you want to get the feel for it. For some of us it clicks really well. Big thanks to the Dark Sphere store (London) who let us use all the terrain. We will kit that place out with battle boards. The store owner & gamers were impressed which was awesome. For us at least Anime Wars and Deadzone is an instant match. Personally I prefer it to streets and roads, as you have more freedom placing terrain around the board.
Did we say the game is pretty sweet, great rule set. Very tight game. I had to demo it to our creative director. Read the rules a couple of times last night. I could write a page on this. I wish you could all play Deadzone on the Anime Wars battle board, really cinematic game, brings the game to life. We are going to be there next week and will make an announcement so if you are in town. Come join us.
Was a great night of gaming. The tray system and dice tray worked like a treat. (We played 70pts).
Glad to see the final hellscape board and very happy to see that it has detailing to the edge of the board... some of the other seem to look like a blob of detail in the middle with plain sections around the edges which I think looks a little odd when you join the individual boards together to form a table.
Happy to see as I was planning on getting the Hellscape set as it would fit in with the majority of the games I play/the style of most of my based models/etc
I'm wondering on the likelihood of getting the 6th board for the 28mm cityscape. Looks the most versatile board for the games I play - infinity, 40k, dust etc.
Lobukia wrote: I've heard it said (no clue if its true) that KS often make a significant amount of $$ on the final three days
That is usually the case, but many campaigns have not been showing this 'explosion' at the end either.
The ones that really show an end of campaign spike are the ones that offer deals that are 'too good to pass up' - usually via freebies, add-ons and whatnots.
That doesn't seem to be the case here though, so I'd not look for too much in that vein here.
Just had a thought - looking ahead to post kick starter product, do you think you'll ever do a 'blank' tile? That way, I could make my own layouts and stuff, yet still have the modularity to switch in tiles to change things up.
I'd probably buy a few blanks - having the ability to add in parks, harbours, industrial areas, wasteland etc would be fantastic for the 28mm urban board, and having it work with your clip system, dice trays etc would be the icing on the cake.
That's the slightly odd thing about this campaign - the preview images were of essentially "textured/patterned blanks" but they haven't been included in this one...
That makes me happy! I can only speak for myself, but my plan would be to have a few blank tiles made up as specific 'feature terrain' that I can add in from time to time to change things up. Not necessarily one you'd want in every game. Stuff like an industrial dockside area, or church and graveyard, stuff like that. Its just nice to have options beyond the existing ones, where you can let your imagination go nuts.
Yeah,
I agree.
It's the fact that the blanks are the perfect size and can clip onto the existing sets that makes them useful.
Set terrain like aircraft crash sites, fortifications and installations.unique terrain sets.
Chopping up two or three blanks to create trenches or a drop pod massacre.
I'm happy that they are available, but sad they are tile for tile more expensive than a whole early bird board. I appreciate that the early bird boards are pretty damned cheap, but still, instead of adding a couple as an extra spend, I'll be sacrificing the pimped out dice trays etc, and keeping the pledge the same. :/
Only so much money at this time of year, and hard to justify 80 quid for 2 plastic tiles and a few plastic trays. Hope it gives the project the boost it needs to unlock the rest of the boards though.
It's going to be a real struggle to get the 6th tiles of the existing designs done at this rate. Anime (sci-fi) looks likely, but Anima will be a bit of a stretch, and the 28mm Urban will be a hard sell. The blanks aren't really priced appropriately to make a difference in this campaign, excepting from the diehard fans like the guy above - especially with 10% of "Early Birds" still being open almost 6 weeks after the campaign started...
Not sure how many people will be piling on the cash for Kickstarter on Christmas Eve...
Hopefully some of the remaining 10% of "Early Birds" will get the final designs unlocked.
I think the lack of 'freebie' rewards might cause this one to limp across the finish line instead of having a big uptake at the end. Not that I'm criticising - 62 quid for a 6x4 board is a great deal no matter how you skin it. I just think there's too much of a gap between early bird prices, and prices for some of the addons. Maybe if the early birds had been 75 quid or something, there'd have been room for a 'freebie' or two. Still, not downing the project. Looking forward to getting my board.
Just reflecting some more - it seems that this campaign was very much geared around "the upsell" - all that stuff before about wanting to increase the "average pledge per backer" makes it pretty clear.
What's also quite interesting is G&G's attitude towards adding additional boards to an EB pledge at the EB price - simply saying "no" and expecting people to add them on for the full price - while even now there's almost 100 EBs sitting there vacant. At a guess, I'd think this was an attempt to keep the "buy-in" level enticing, with an expectation that the loss from not allowing existing backers to buy more boards at the limited price would be less than keeping those additional boards open with the hope of getting new backers in to buy a board, then a bunch of additional stuff like Dice Trays, Resin scenery, overlays, etc - and this "add-on" mentality continues even now with the "blank" textured boards costing more than pledging for another board using another KS account and (as noted in the KS comments) "wallpapering over it".
Looks like unless there's a huge surge when the 48-hour warning goes out, G&G are going to be leaving money on the table from EBs who might have added a second or third board to their pledges at the EB price - but can't (without using extra KS accounts - which will cost G&G more in shipping).
None of this would be nearly as much of a worry if it didn't look like it may not even end up having all of the initial designs unlocked...
Good point, I think like all Kickstarters there will be a massive rush in the end. I guess we will find out on the last 2 days. I know a whole load of people in my neck of the woods are holding out till the last minute. I backed AVP and battle systems, thought the same because of the console releases but last two days were big jumps. Maybe not as big on Xmas eve, but it does look like all will be unlocked. IMHO
I toyed with the idea of opening a second kick starter account to just get a second board to use as 'blanks'. Still haven't ruled it out, but I'm lazy...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Out of curiosity, if the 6th design doesn't get unlocked, do we just get a random duplicate, or do we get to choose? 2 sets of crossroads would be a bit much.
Eggs wrote: I think the lack of 'freebie' rewards might cause this one to limp across the finish line instead of having a big uptake at the end. Not that I'm criticising - 62 quid for a 6x4 board is a great deal no matter how you skin it. I just think there's too much of a gap between early bird prices, and prices for some of the addons. Maybe if the early birds had been 75 quid or something, there'd have been room for a 'freebie' or two. Still, not downing the project. Looking forward to getting my board.
I don't think the lack of "freebies" hurt it (though obviously, it's a factor) so much as not allowing people to add on additional boards at the EB price. Note how the 2x EB and 3x EB have long since sold out, and they even sold a few (22/100) Black Friday sets at 20 quid more. I think the price difference between getting an EB and getting an additional board has simply been too much for most people to swallow. from £65 to £95 is a pretty steep climb - especially when there's 89 more sitting there at £65.
*Note - I'm not personally butthurt about this, as I have 2 pledges across 2 accounts for 3 boards. I just think forcing people to "game" the system when leaving 89 boards (at present) on the table is a bit silly.
I agree to an extent. I think where the freebies might hurt it a little is in the final couple of days - the freebie bonanza that many wargaming projects experience as the funding rockets in the final few days I think in part self perpetuates. The more funding, the higher the perceived value of the deal, the more people take the plunge, rinse, repeat.
I'm not personally butt hurt either. As you say, I can quite easily create another account, and get 12 tiles instead of eight, for an extra 22 quid.
Looks like we are on track. As it is we will be able to deliver on time.
Usually I back Kickstarters last minute myself. Maybe a bad habit. Although I work for G&G this is the first KS I backed early. I want a board for myself. . I would say let's wait an see.
About how high the surge will be.... Honestly don't know. It could be, ok, good or crazy good. Most people should be off work soon. So wait and see. Excited. Fair comments above!
darkeldarcrone wrote: Good point, I think like all Kickstarters there will be a massive rush in the end. I guess we will find out on the last 2 days. I know a whole load of people in my neck of the woods are holding out till the last minute. I backed AVP and battle systems, thought the same because of the console releases but last two days were big jumps. Maybe not as big on Xmas eve, but it does look like all will be unlocked. IMHO
There will be some degree of a spike, but I don't think it'll be a massive surge. The timing (Christmas) is quite bad for "surges" for those of us with families/etc. After Christmas would be a better time for that. I'm only able to stay in because I planned for it over a month ago. The last two days have also been lower than the preceding two days, but all four have been hovering around the £1-2k per day that the last week has had. Which would be about another £6k if it holds steady and doesn't have a jump at 48hrs... Which would mean Anime Wars but not Anima or 28mm Urban.
From what I have on followed on the comments section, you get to choose it.
Although I am hoping for more things from G&G once they unlock the 10th one. To be fair, I f I wasn't so hyped about this months ago, I would have jumped in the last minute like I have with all the other Kickstarters I pledge. First time I broke that habit.
Accidental mispost from what was meant to be a Sock puppet?
Thought this was the cross forums there's a chap nickname eggs, I am a member there so can talk more on my own terms . Here I represent G&G and yes I am very hyped up about this KS and meant every word.
doh! It's all good. Need to keep track of how many forums I am responding too!
I like to support the company I work for . Awesome crew. As I said before which was for the Cross Forums and now here .
Looks like we are on track. Very excited here myself. It has been amazing. Just get these bad boys delivered to you. It's very exciting stuff and just the beginning.
darkeldarcrone wrote: Ok cool, whilst you are here can I add more stuff after the KS ends? I was able to do this for Rivet wars and other kickstarters.
Yes, we will send you the backer kit a few weeks after the Kickstarter ends , thank you!
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Eggs wrote: I agree to an extent. I think where the freebies might hurt it a little is in the final couple of days - the freebie bonanza that many wargaming projects experience as the funding rockets in the final few days I think in part self perpetuates. The more funding, the higher the perceived value of the deal, the more people take the plunge, rinse, repeat.
I'm not personally butt hurt either. As you say, I can quite easily create another account, and get 12 tiles instead of eight, for an extra 22 quid.
Ok sorry I confused you for my mate Eggs, but in reply, We are neutral in this position (second account) For us it's a balance. It is not making a ton of money whilst giving a lot away as from what we know and has been done, this delays the Kickstarter and also can make business's Kickstarter dependent. If you followed our brush Kickstarter it is now a succesful global line. How many kickstarters do you know which deliver on time??
For us Kickstarter is getting the funds to tool the project and reward backers with the product. We don't want any delays or stress on the production line, like so many Kickstarters have suffered from.
Good price, good delivery and good quality. Is what we want to do. Kickstarter is just the beginning and with your support we can get awesome products out there sooner to you and the market. It's been a great success thus far in where we want to be, let's get it to crazy levels of goodness. Thanks
darkeldarcrone wrote: I backed avp and battle system last minute. It is just what happens. I also backed this one early to! So you don't get the boards free yourself??
I was last minute on battle systems, but early on AvP and this. Great minds and all that
darkeldarcrone wrote: I backed avp and battle system last minute. It is just what happens. I also backed this one early to! So you don't get the boards free yourself??
I was last minute on battle systems, but early on AvP and this. Great minds and all that
We backed those too! All last minute to join the surge!! (Although I did back this one early, not the creator here, just work for this awesome company). Great minds indeed!
yeah,
Looking at the 28mm urban boards,
I can't see that many layouts being created with the 6 proposed tiles.
I kinda hope the final t-Junction doesn't get unlocked as I'd prefer a second straight or open board.
I think the locked t- junction should be changed to a 90 turn or the straight with laybys...
I sent the kickstarter link to Natfka yesterday and he posted it up today. Should help with the final push... he gets good (as in incredible) traffic and is a huge DZC and 40k fan.
Just spreading Christmas cheer. I was going to send them that Frontline/battlemat KS link too, but after I got online to do it, I saw that Reecius had done it himself.
G&G, you seem to be awesome at making stuff, but not good at marketing. Here is the update pictures. Awesome work guys. Cannot wait to get it. This is their elevated Terrain. You can get this by pledging for a reward on the Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter and then getting this as part of a terrain kit. Comes in two pieces. Rocky part is seperate from the flat pavement brick according to the update.
yeah, Ok so heres my beef with the current set of 6 urban 28mm tiles.
You can move juctions around a little but I can only see three basic layouts.. pls excuse the crappy photos... paper tiles and iphone.
1) both empty tiles at the top or bottom. 2) both empty tiles at the left or right. 3) both empty tiles split by the straigh tile. (top or bottom) .
. If the 'locked' blank tile is swapped for a straight road tile it seems a little better. This is because the park can go in any of the six spots and the roads go around it... .
. But ultimately I think the gaps between the roads create enough space? Is there a need for a park!
I think 2 straights, 2 tjuctions 1 cross road plus 1 other road. would be better. to test this out I made a 90deg turn.
IMO This seems to create much more freedom of tile placement...
I like the park tile, but I feel the park should be an optional extra tile. so your not forced to have a park in every Layout The park creates an area on the board that I think will be hard top place buildings on without looking strange.
If we had 2x straight 2x T-juction 1x cross road plus 1x 90deg turn as standard... plus a ££ 2 tile urban upgrade pack containing the blank tile & the park tile I'd be all over it! I could have any of the above setups
I'd be changing to what panic suggested if it were available. As is, I have ordered two blanks to supplement the urban board. If all the tiles were as panic suggested, I'd just turn one of the blanks into a park, or buy the park tile as an add on. More versatility is always better.
Going to get the powers that be to talk and sort it. Fingers crossed. Your passion is infectious. Thank you for taking your time and doing that.
Panic wrote: yeah,
Ok so heres my beef with the current set of 6 urban 28mm tiles.
You can move juctions around a little but I can only see three basic layouts..
pls excuse the crappy photos... paper tiles and iphone.
1) both empty tiles at the top or bottom.
2) both empty tiles at the left or right.
3) both empty tiles split by the straigh tile. (top or bottom)
.
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If the 'locked' blank tile is swapped for a straight road tile it seems a little better.
This is because the park can go in any of the six spots and the roads go around it...
.
.
But ultimately I think the gaps between the roads create enough space?
Is there a need for a park!
I think 2 straights, 2 tjuctions 1 cross road plus 1 other road. would be better.
to test this out I made a 90deg turn.
IMO This seems to create much more freedom of tile placement...
I like the park tile, but I feel the park should be an optional extra tile. so your not forced to have a park in every Layout
The park creates an area on the board that I think will be hard top place buildings on without looking strange.
If we had 2x straight 2x T-juction 1x cross road plus 1x 90deg turn as standard...
plus a ££ 2 tile urban upgrade pack containing the blank tile & the park tile I'd be all over it!
I could have any of the above setups
yeah, It's very exciting now that we are in the final days!
In my above post I made the mistake of thinking the blank was locked... the last locked board is the second T-junction. My bad!
G&G Is it possible for you to change the locked T-junction to a 90degree turn? A second T-junction design isn't really needed.
But I can see the problems with a radical changing the of the set this late in the Kickstarter, such as removing the blank and park. If a backer has a 2x board pledge and wants double 28mm city.. and wants parks. He would be fairly aggrieved if the parks became available only as purchasable extras.
Maybe you could offer two 28mm city options? 1) The Original Set
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IMO the ideal 28mm default core set consists of... 1x straight 1x T-junction 1x cross road 1x park 1x blank 1x 90deg turn.
2) All Roads
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IMO the ideal 28mm all roads core set consists of... 2x straight 2x T-junction 1x cross road 1x 90deg turn.
+++ Anyways... I don't have to worry about this anymore!! I decided the best value for me was to jump up a level to the 4x early bird deal. 2x 28mm urban battle boards 1x anima wars (tau city board planned) 1x hellscape (nurgle garden board planned)
++ Regardless of how G&G sort out the 28mm set - I'm in!
I've got G&G brushes - a KS they delivered on time. I love the G&G paint rack - a pre-order that was also delivered on time.
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2014 is going to be great with all the stuff I pay for this year arriving in the post!! It's like I've bought lots of little presents for the future me.
This gives you many many variants now (Honorable mention to Panic). We have a solid 28mm Sci-fi Battle Board. It's sweet and cannot wait to get it in your hands.
All six designs for Hawk Wargames Urban battle field have now been unlocked. !!
Yes Anime wars is unlocked all 6 designs too. We are trying to catch up and put this all in the update!!
Thanks all, please spread the word and lets gets this funded as high as we can!! more to come!
What the hell? You just made it worse. That's just a repeat tile of the straight road. If we hadn't unlocked the sixth tile, we'd get to choose whatever repeat we wanted. Now you are forcing one on us. That just makes it worse. And I'm thinking I should drop my pledge, because I have no idea what other changes you are going to make at the end, and I might not have time to see them in time to change my pledge before the kickstarter ends.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Now granted, that's probably the tile I would have chosen as an extra, but maybe not everyone would have. And it's probably better than actually unlocking that additional T-junction, but it wasn't looking like that would happen anyway. I guess it a decent outcome, and at least it is certain what will happen, not waiting on whether or not the last tile gets unlocked. Assuming there isn't another last minute change coming.
Gonna be pushing gak uphill to get another 7k in 36 hours. I'll wait until the very end before I pull my Anima board pledge, though, since I'd really like the whole thing to be unlocked.
Man I'm hoping we unlock board 6 for Anima. If not, any chance we can get it for a modest upcharge? Say pay an extra $10 to have it be you're 6th tile? I really like that one. Too bad the blank is already unlocked, I've no use for it.
Slinky wrote: Just spotted there's one 2xEB open, thought I'd let Dakkanauts know in case one of you wants to grab it.
Thank you for the heads-up - there were 2 when I went over and I upgraded from a 1x EB to a 2x EB - the colour option of the dark grey Anima board tipped me over so now I have a Dredd board and an Empire of the Dead board coming.
Just listened to the latest podcast. Good to hear what you guys have planned. Really hope the last design get unlocked, as it would be good to have a choice from the full range. Good luck guys!
Well, I understand that you lied to your backers. All along you've been saying in comments that if the sixth board design doesn't get unlocked, backers would get to choose which repeat they want. Now it looks like the 28mm board sixth design wouldn't have gotten unlocked, and instead of letting the backers choose a repeat for the sixth section, you are forcing them to take a certain one. Probably the one a lot of people would have chosen, but not all. And you still lied about it.
What are you going to do if the 6th anima design doesn't unlock? Let people pick a repeat, or choose for them? And how could I believe your answer anyway?
Actually, Albino, they did not say backers could choose what repeat to get if all weren't unlocked. They may have said they'd consider it, but I got the impression it was likely to be random. Do you have a quote for their saying otherwise, as when this was discussed previously I thought it was pretty clear the repeat tile might be a random selection.
Panic wrote: yeah,
I can see this kickstarter surge at the end and unlock all the stretch goals.
So that won't be an issue.
£62 per board to your door is too good a deal to pass up!
Panic...
With 21 hours to go, I'm not sure I can see it "surging" to the tune of another £7k to unlock the Anima Wars board. There's a reason they removed the £125k 28mm board stretch, after all. As Eggs noted a couple of pages ago, there are no freebies or freebie stretch goals here to help entice people to jump on at the last minute, and the add-ons are rather expensive compared to the basic boards. It hasn't exactly been moving great guns since the 48 hour warning....
That would work. It would also prevent me from having to ...lower my pledge.
Doesn't have quite the same ring to it as "drop my pledge", does it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just as long as they do it before the campaign ends, and not after. Better yet - in the next 12 or so hours so people can see it's unlocked!
. However we think the main purpose of the Games & Gears Gaming trays will be for your gaming accessories.
) it's STILL only about 35K.
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Needs more Aquitar in here.
