warboss wrote: You can always easily add hills to a flat board with terrain. You can't temporarily remove hills from a board with them to make a flat surface.
Right, but looking at those plastic boards it is tough to recommend them over a $5 bit of mdf with some sand stuck to it, such is the level of detail.
warboss wrote: You can always easily add hills to a flat board with terrain. You can't temporarily remove hills from a board with them to make a flat surface.
Right, but looking at those plastic boards it is tough to recommend them over a $5 bit of mdf with some sand stuck to it, such is the level of detail.
there's no way I would ever sit down and cover 6x4 of table with all those little cracks and crevices. If you are volunteering to do it for $5 then please let me know your availability.
warboss wrote: You can always easily add hills to a flat board with terrain. You can't temporarily remove hills from a board with them to make a flat surface.
Right, but looking at those plastic boards it is tough to recommend them over a $5 bit of mdf with some sand stuck to it, such is the level of detail.
there's no way I would ever sit down and cover 6x4 of table with all those little cracks and crevices. If you are volunteering to do it for $5 then please let me know your availability.
I think what he's saying is that the cracked looked to the landscape doesn't offer much more in aesthetics than mdf with sand on it. The urban streets, while not for me did offer something unique that is a little bit rougher to do with a bit of mdf and playground sand. The hellscape looks, too flat. Hell, I would have liked the concept better if it was a cracked dry lake look:
I guess my image of a hellscape is a blighted piece of earth with 'unpredictable' levels of terrain. Crags of ground coming out of the earth, cracked ground, rifts opening, etc...
warboss wrote: You can always easily add hills to a flat board with terrain. You can't temporarily remove hills from a board with them to make a flat surface.
Right, but looking at those plastic boards it is tough to recommend them over a $5 bit of mdf with some sand stuck to it, such is the level of detail.
there's no way I would ever sit down and cover 6x4 of table with all those little cracks and crevices. If you are volunteering to do it for $5 then please let me know your availability.
My point is that the texture looks flat and 1-dimensional. I'd rather spend double or triple the price on a Secret Weapon or GW board that has texture more than 1mm deep, or 1/10th of the price on a DIY board made of MdF and sand.
Yeah, I'm also in the "I like my boards to be flat" group. I do think more random cracking like the lake pic Alfndrate posted would have been cool, but I haaaaaaaaaaaate built-in hills so I am not missing them at all here.
As previously stated, built-in hills are the #1 most disliked feature on ROB tables, with good reason.
We are overwhelmed with the reception we have received so far. If you are a retailer and found us here then pm'd us via our FB. This will be for Kickstarter once funded and all orders delivered to our backers we will launch to retail.
Regarding the discussion here. . It's good times. Time allowing we should do videos,. take it to the public and a lot more. We are working around the clock here and enjoying it. There are some things we cannot disclose that We would love to until we have 100% confirmation. Once you do see the Hellscape boards in their entirety there are the most intricately detailed boards done. But we (as in the public) have only seen the teaser pics. There should be a version of it done in two colors. So bear with us.
I think we already stated the great benefits of intricate detail and at the same time miniatures being able to balance on the boards. We do not like bumby/prefixed terrian on our battle boards if you like that there is the ROB and others. I think we need to work hard, do videos, more pics and prepare all this pre kickstarter which we will. It also has to be terrain friendly like this for the things that will be placed on it . Whether we will do an exclusive themed set for the board we cannot confirm! ;P but you heard it here first. But also not there is some awesome terrain already available in the market from some really cool companies. We want GW, GF9 and other terrain on our battle boards without anything restricting where they maybe placed.
Lastly a large portion of us have quite a bit of terrain lying around and we want you to use it on our boards and not be frustrated that you cannot place it exactly where you want.
This for me is a must. I mean how many friends including myself have had a 20 pound miniature or more expensive models than that break, lose and arm, tail or whatever. After spending hours of painting it. Cursing the joints whilst gluing it. Then to see it as G&G put it on a "bumpy" texture only to ruin a miniature because it I had to put it there for a charge maneuver... been there done that. No thank you and so have a lot other mates I know. So I love the respect of my miniatures in their board designs. I just want a cool board. So bloody get the kickstarter going G&G. Gimme some HELL!!
darkeldarcrone wrote: This for me is a must. I mean how many friends including myself have had a 20 pound miniature or more expensive models than that break, lose and arm, tail or whatever. After spending hours of painting it. Cursing the joints whilst gluing it. Then to see it as G&G put it on a "bumpy" texture only to ruin a miniature because it I had to put it there for a charge maneuver... been there done that. No thank you and so have a lot other mates I know. So I love the respect of my miniatures in their board designs. I just want a cool board. So bloody get the kickstarter going G&G. Gimme some HELL!!
I don't mind a little terrain molded onto my board. I liked GW's board enough to buy one (and then wish I hadn't later). I like how the hills are modular, but the tiles are too big to be useful. Maybe molded hills would work better on a board based on 12" tiles, where the hills would be smaller? Or sold as optional tiles with just 1 hill on the tile, designed to fit with other tiles.. so you if you want some hills, you can throw in a couple of hill tiles, or leave them out if you want a flat landscape
@ Ritides: Previewing Anime Wars Next week and the Fourth board.
In the meantime we are working on the kickstarter right now. Estimate 15-20 days till launch. Fixed date two week notice prior launch. So we are close!
It seem like we have started right? But to us we been making these fine tuning for close to 9 months now .
Alfndrate wrote: ...I guess my image of a hellscape is a blighted piece of earth with 'unpredictable' levels of terrain. Crags of ground coming out of the earth, cracked ground, rifts opening, etc...
I think the idea is you make/buy terrain to create your own version of hell.. this is just the base/board.
Alfndrate wrote: ... ...Hell, I would have liked the concept better if it was a cracked dry lake look:
Spoiler:
I think your in luck as i beileve they already have that designed. from the first KS.. the cracked earth scheme.
I just don't think that the sort of texture I think they are trying to do on the Hellscape is playing to the strengths of their product (aside from the pentagram thing).
Anything intended to look natural/organic is just going to require a lot of work at the painting stage to pull off convincingly.
Sorry to bring this back up with no news, but any updates here from Games 'n Gears? It's getting close to 2 weeks since this post was made:
GamesNGears wrote: @ Ritides: Previewing Anime Wars Next week and the Fourth board.
In the meantime we are working on the kickstarter right now. Estimate 15-20 days till launch. Fixed date two week notice prior launch. So we are close!
It seem like we have started right? But to us we been making these fine tuning for close to 9 months now .
Sorry for the radio silence here. Been crazy busy (which is good) at G&G HQ here.
We are on track to release the KS for the end of this month. Around the 20th -29th. We will have a firm release date next week.
Right now we are sorting the pics and videos for:
Anime Wars Battle Boards: Space Station
ANIMA Batttle Boards: Medieval, Steampunk, fantasy battle board. (City)
We just broke the news here first
Also something else end of this week or sooner..... that will be announced and big for us. Part of the KS and we have kept under wraps. We hope you all will love it!!!!
That is all we can say now. Games & Gears "Psychotic Storm/Panic" Space Station Battle Board "Anime Wars" (art design by Ninja Division). Pics to be released we hope end of the week. We will do a few mobile office pics with miniatures. But the Professional pictures will take a bit longer to publish. ... we never forget the ideas and enthusiasm of the community, even though nearly over a year ago and in the making,
Press Release:
Games & Gears announce their Warsmith Terrain lines:
London, United Kingdom, 15th October 2013.
Games & Gears LLP announces a new product line: Warsmith Terrain (TM). High Quality Resin Terrain. Warsmith Terrain is the feature terrain line arm of Games & Gears LLP. Here Games & Gears gets to focus on producing some of the best terrain in the market covering many fantasy/steampunk/sci-fi themes. Each themed set will come a Warsmith Foundry starter pack set.
Warsmith Terrain (TM). Will be available initially via the upcoming Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter. Packing out your Games & Gears battle boards with some awesome terrain. Each theme to match a battle board!!
Not only are the high quality resin Warsmith Terrain (TM) pieces a great complimentary set for your Games & Gears Battle Board. They are also compatible for many gaming areas where you play your miniature war games and also RPG games.
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First sneak peaks of just a small section of what is to come. Each themed Games & Gears Battle Board will have a themed terrain pack. Where you can place anywhere till your battle board delight ;P.
I'm hoping "anime space station" will be perhaps the flight deck of the Prometheus, or maybe the insides of the Daedalus, or the hull of the SDF-1, or perhaps a Zentraedi ship hull.
judgedoug wrote: I'm hoping "anime space station" will be perhaps the flight deck of the Prometheus, or maybe the insides of the Daedalus, or the hull of the SDF-1, or perhaps a Zentraedi ship hull.
I just hope it will look good with my Relic Knights stuff.
Noted! spending over year to bring these battle boards about, I would suggest to create your perfect battle board is using our based painted battle board as it is intended to be as a base. For some people that will suffice and many a year of gaming on it. Others maybe want to personalize it and create their own worlds. Where the Games & Gears base painted battle boards assist greatly is that you skip a ton of steps in making a board specific to that very preference and focuses on the change you want to make. Whether it maybe a Games & Gears Battle board with rocky features and you want to add sand and grass to bring your ideal battlefield about is all part of the hobby. You can do as little or as much to it, but you do have a super head start with the Games & Gears Base painting battle boards.
Press Release:
Games & Gears announce their Warsmith Terrain lines:
London, United Kingdom, 15th October 2013.
Games & Gears LLP announces a new product line: Warsmith Terrain (TM). High Quality Resin Terrain. Warsmith Terrain is the feature terrain line arm of Games & Gears LLP. Here Games & Gears gets to focus on producing some of the best terrain in the market covering many fantasy/steampunk/sci-fi themes. Each themed set will come a Warsmith Foundry starter pack set.
Warsmith Terrain (TM). Will be available initially via the upcoming Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter. Packing out your Games & Gears battle boards with some awesome terrain. Each theme to match a battle board!!
Not only are the high quality resin Warsmith Terrain (TM) pieces a great complimentary set for your Games & Gears Battle Board. They are also compatible for many gaming areas where you play your miniature war games and also RPG games.
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First sneak peaks of just a small section of what is to come. Each themed Games & Gears Battle Board will have a themed terrain pack. Where you can place anywhere till your battle board delight ;P.
Warsmith is already the name of a Terrain company, you should reconsider calling your stuff that if you want to actually keep that Trademark.
http://warsmithpress.wordpress.com/
GamesNGears wrote: Noted! spending over year to bring these battle boards about, I would suggest to create your perfect battle board is using our based painted battle board as it is intended to be as a base. For some people that will suffice and many a year of gaming on it. Others maybe want to personalize it and create their own worlds. Where the Games & Gears base painted battle boards assist greatly is that you skip a ton of steps in making a board specific to that very preference and focuses on the change you want to make. Whether it maybe a Games & Gears Battle board with rocky features and you want to add sand and grass to bring your ideal battlefield about is all part of the hobby. You can do as little or as much to it, but you do have a super head start with the Games & Gears Base painting battle boards.
So, you're going to make blank flat boards as well? Quite interested in that if the price point is nice.
Motograter wrote: Are these boards out or will they be out anytime soon. Its been ks after ks and nothing that I have seen has happened.
We are hoping Next week or the week after. Should show you some more awesome things soon . It has taken a long time. But we decided to take the route to get everything ready enough so. When we mass produce there will be no delays and dispatched on time to our future KS backers. We want to insure our promises are kept.
GamesNGears wrote: Noted! spending over year to bring these battle boards about, I would suggest to create your perfect battle board is using our based painted battle board as it is intended to be as a base. For some people that will suffice and many a year of gaming on it. Others maybe want to personalize it and create their own worlds. Where the Games & Gears base painted battle boards assist greatly is that you skip a ton of steps in making a board specific to that very preference and focuses on the change you want to make. Whether it maybe a Games & Gears Battle board with rocky features and you want to add sand and grass to bring your ideal battlefield about is all part of the hobby. You can do as little or as much to it, but you do have a super head start with the Games & Gears Base painting battle boards.
So, you're going to make blank flat boards as well? Quite interested in that if the price point is nice.
That is something we are looking into and will announce. Price point is key and agreed. We want these battle boards and everything we do as accessible as many people possible.
They're a UK company, so I'd imagine they'll be fairly reasonable.
Their paint racks are £15 for instance, with free shipping at £30, I'd imagine £75 shipped or maybe a bit less if they hit their price point, with a discount for the Ks backers, so, maybe £60?
Here is something fun we did today as the Hobby Gears Rack have been mentioned (Thank you)
From our Facebook page: Here is a picture of 3 Games & Gears Hobby Paint Racks Together. We also used a Games & Gears Gaming Tray which will be available during our upcoming Kickstarter for the Games & Gears battle boards.
The Hobby Gears Paint Rack on your left we put some work in progress models on, so once you have built your infantry models you can neatly place them on the Hobby Gears Rack, waiting to be painted. For large miniatures we put them on the Games & Gears Gaming Tray. In Hobby Gears Paint Rack in the middle filled it up with paint pots and filled some on the Hobby Gears paint Rack on the right side too.
The Hobby Gears Paint Rack monster set builds your own hobby building/painting space too in the middle area.
Only 7 Hobby Gears Paint Rack Monster Sets left, 10 Twin sets and 8 Single Sets for our limited pre order. Once gone normal release and order will be for Jan 2014. So make sure you get yours this year!
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Back to the battle boards: Prices and rewards levels to be announced next week. For all early birds which will be over 1000 limited rewards (exact amount of early rewards will be announced next week once we have it all cleared). Price will be approx 100.00USD. So 62.00GBP for a 6 by 4 base painted battle board. More info on rewards to come soon once all is confirmed. So bear with us.
Will you be able to get a $100 EB and then double/triple up by adding additional funds without needing to change slots and search out a $200/300/etc EB?
Azazelx wrote: Will you be able to get a $100 EB and then double/triple up by adding additional funds without needing to change slots and search out a $200/300/etc EB?
Yes.
Also same with the Games & Gears Warsmith Foundry Terrian Starter Packs. We are seeing if we can do 1 reward which will be Battle board with G&G Warsmith Foundry Terrain Starter pack. At the end of the KS when we send our the backerskit survey you will choose which theme battle board and terrain set you want and multiples of it and other items that go with the Games & Gears Battle Boards.
Games & Gears Anima Battle Board come is 4 designs initially and 2 designs to be unlocked via Kickstarter stretch goals. All battle boards come base painted as in pictures. The Anima Battle Board will be a 6 by 4 Games & Gears battle board. Giving you 6 unique designs that go together is various combos for your 4by4 and 6 by 4 games.
-Amazingly, intricately detailed
- Super miniature user friendly
- for medieval, fantasy & steampunks setting (not exhaustive)
-High quality injection molded plastic.
Check out our other pictures with the Games & Gears Felt dice tray!! You no longer have to roll your dice on the battlefield.
Check out our Games & Gears Gaming Trays in other pictures.
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Is that the final version of that texture? I can't help but think it would come across so much better in a mid grey/dark grey tone. As it is, the road looks a little freaky...
Azazelx wrote: Will you be able to get a $100 EB and then double/triple up by adding additional funds without needing to change slots and search out a $200/300/etc EB?
Yes.
Also same with the Games & Gears Warsmith Foundry Terrian Starter Packs. We are seeing if we can do 1 reward which will be Battle board with G&G Warsmith Foundry Terrain Starter pack. At the end of the KS when we send our the backerskit survey you will choose which theme battle board and terrain set you want and multiples of it and other items that go with the Games & Gears Battle Boards.
That's excellent.
Also, FWIW, If I didn't already have customs racks made, I'd be all over your ones.
We want to leave the "Freaky" road as is. Gamers can quickly paint of over if they want a change or ink it. Its pretty easy to do and does not take that much time.
These flat boards are completely pointless. You can get the same level of texture by scoring insulation foam with a pencil and it'll cost you maybe $20 for a 6x4. Either make some real texture or don't even bother.
1067 Hell Yes's and growing disagree. But feel free to make your own. There is depth to the battle boards... just not crazy depth to imbalance your models on the board and at times miniatures fall over, we've been through this . Also to add to it there is the Games & Gears Warsmith Terrian Line
There is a ton of beautiful texture and we are looking forward to launching soon!
GamesNGears wrote: 1067 Hell Yes's and growing disagree. But feel free to make your own. There is depth to the battle boards... just not crazy depth to imbalance your models on the board and at times miniatures fall over, we've been through this . Also to add to it there is the Games & Gears Warsmith Terrian Line
1,395 Actual backers (rather then Facebook clickers) seem to think that a bit of depth is rather nice. That 'Anime' board could use with a bit more depth and detail in it, especially in the sidewalk/drainage area. Having those field stones in the road with a bit of roundness would make it look worlds better as well. Right now you're not really doing anything that couldn't be done with a Laser Cutter on MDF.
But feel free to make your own.
Warsmith Terrian Line
You should do this with your product names, would you be happy with someone making a line of items called 'GamesNGears'?
We have discussed the above in great length, not sure why you keep bringing it up. People have seen it @ Gen Con and other places and we have had overwhelming great feedback. Over 500 sign ups with our Dorpzone Commander board alone at Gen Con. If you love something else fine by us. But you have made your point many times over again.
We have had the "Warsmith" name for a long time. Were not aware of that one till you mentioned it. We are very busy making products and not always aware of what else is going on...
We really do not like to repeat what already has been repeated. Nor do we want to derail the focus. You made your point.
So back on the focus:
Anime Wars Incoming! Some videos too . So you get a feel for the texture.
We have had the "Warsmith" name for a long time. Were not aware of that one till you mentioned it. We are very busy making products and not always aware of what else is going on...
So you claim a trademark without even researching it? Google is not difficult, and the Real Warsmith shows up pretty easily when you type it into Google.
I also seriously doubt your not being aware of what else is going on in the industry, its not that big.
Dudes you can't please everyone. But as someone said elsewhere. Your stuff is SUPER sick (in a very good way) and very pro. You got my hell yes and pledge and it keep getting better. Don't stop Games & Gears!
forget to add. Going to pick up Hellscape & Anima. If the space station is as good as these will have one of them too!
That there will be a special Limited Reward of no more than than 13 for:
Smogcon 2014 Battle Board pledge: Were we match your pledge for a battle board to that specific convention. Also some added G&G perks at the Con and possible casual play bonuses. With your name on the side on the board forever!
Templecon 2014 Battle Board Pledge: Were we match your pledge for a battle board to that specific convention. Also some added G&G perks at the Con and possible casual play bonuses. With your name on the side on the board forever!
More conventions to come soon! . We will also have quite a large array of Battle Boards Present at these cons and many more for causal play pick up games.
But this is for die hard convention goers who want to support the event one extra mile and Games & Gears. We love the hard work of the community and conventions organizers and we are all about supporting these great conventions
More specific details to be released on the rewards next week.
I understand the advantages of having a flat terrain, in gameplay and stackability, but the depth difference between pavement and road seems alien to be every time I looked at it.
Yes, I have seen in at GenCon looks great, but the depth troubled me.
I will admit the Anima board looks good at an angle, giving the illusion of depth, but in the ground pictures it looks odd.
On a completely different subject you should do something for your paint racks like a storage unit so we can place them like a stare one behind the other.
Absolutely, but we think we have gone over the point several times.
The streets are based on 13th/14th century streets not present time:
Here are a few pics we had for reference:
There was very little depth at that time and very many no depth in road vs pavements at all in some cases. Although ANIMA does have depth but not as much as a present day street. If it was a present day street we would go much deeper.
Great suggestion on the Hobby Gears Paint rack, we will look into it!
I think the boards have a lot of potential, more pictures / videos are needed first. I had a look at your facebook page and noticed previously you mentioned doing bases in the same style as the boards - what an excellent idea. I'm quite hopeful that these boards will do just what i am looking for.
Nephilim
PS Looking at your inspiration reference pictures I have lived in both of those places, how spooky !
No problem! . That was what we are discussing (ANIMA)
The Sci-Fi Board road vs (Dropzone Commander) depth and detail are as per as Instruction from Hawk Wargames. Their game is on a smaller scale, for DZC, EPIC 40k and Robotech players.
However an extra 1mm deep might make the difference for the rest (need to check with Hawk first) . We have played a lot of 40k and infinity on it. Doesn't bother us, but totally understand at the same time .
Since we make these we are felxible to a degree as long as our partners are ok with it. They are pretty awesome. So ..
Good to see you guys stay true as you can to what these should look like. Nice reference pics. Just staring and the ANIMA boards now. Want them so bad! My Dark Elves need to pillage a few Empire towns & Cities!!
Whether gamers can ink/paint their boards or not, I think you could have done something to pretty up that tile before showing it off, as it looks terrible like that.
The white street is jarring to look at, and takes away from the overall feel of the tile. I'm having trouble looking at the tile itself because the white doesn't mesh well with the rest of the tile and is a huge and prominent feature of the tile. Showing me well painted models on it shows me that either 1) you have someone in studio that can paint or 2) you know someone that can paint kind of sticks in my craw because it seems like you guys didn't put forth the effort to make that look as good as it could have. While I don't mind seeing unpainted models alongside painted models to show the difference (because a good paintjob can hide flaws in the model), it's like you want to show us a great project, but there is just something that falls flat in every picture. This board has that jarring section of white, the Hellscape was a single color with really nothing special about it, the Dropzone commander was really the only board that doesn't look like bad in the promotional photos, but to me that fell flat on its face when I saw it in person.
You can say that I'm just 1 person and your 'Hell Yeahs' or w/e prove otherwise, but I feel you're at a 6/10 because of your own efforts (or lack there of) but you could easily be an 8 or 9 out of 10 with just a little bit more effort...
I have to concur with some of Alf's points. I'm one of the "Hell Yeahs" - and I'm giving feedback. Having voted in a "would you buy..." poll on Facebook doesn't exactly mean that I or anyone else automatically will love everything that is shown later.
That AT board is nice, but it's not great. I'd offer some feedback on it, but unfortunately it appears that you're not interested in genuine, constructive feedback from potential backers/customers? I happily spent $250 on Tablescapes (so far) and could potentially drop $2-400 on these if they were nice enough. I do agree with Alf again that the Anima board as shown above could easily go from a 6 to a 9 with a few modifications (aside from depth).
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Panic wrote: yeah,
I kinda like the honesty of showing tiles like you'll receive.
They could of course also (maybe during the KS) show some propainted tiles.
Panic...
They wouldn't need to be pro painted - I just think the paint choice on these ones is just a bit too jarring as displayed above. It looks quite unnatural.
lord_blackfang wrote: I have a genuine question for "backers" who apparently don't care about texture depth: why not just get a good quality printed mat or board instead?
Well, the last time I played using a mat, when I tried to place a model on the play area outside of the portion supported by the table it ended up in pieces on the floor.
I think I accidentally deleted some of my previous post. So pming them. They said 100% playability was their focus. Which goes with Joug Dougs comments and my sentiments
I also agree with Panic, I like the honesty in how they look and they look damn hot!!
lord_blackfang wrote: I have a genuine question for "backers" who apparently don't care about texture depth: why not just get a good quality printed mat or board instead?
Well, the last time I played using a mat, when I tried to place a model on the play area outside of the portion supported by the table it ended up in pieces on the floor.
Can't quite figure out what went wrong.....
Yeah, he said mat OR BOARD. Boards don't bend. So your point is invalid. Hope that makes sense. Edited for clarity.
I agree with others, I think the "anima" board would look better with a different paint job. The fact that the main street part of it is painted in a very flat way really doesn't help.
@darkeldarcrone, confirmed
Our battle boards are 100% focused and made to for gaming playability for the home, covention or store (check out our limited convention rewards approved by some amazing conventions and more to come), tons of detail and at the same time your miniatures don't tip or fall, even break. charges and miniature interaction should be super clean and we have now a terrain line to add more depth and texture. Games & Gears battle boards all come base painted. But if you want to change the color or add to it, you can do and create your own preferred color coded theme.
We love Kings of War... city fighting absolutely! cannot wait to see pictures of miniatures in battle over city fights! Agreed Judgedoug.
We do have an awesome professional painting studio who will paint these up and there is a limited reward that will cover that. So far so good, lot of people loving it and digging it. We cannot wait to bring this KS about .
The paint job looks terrible but i realy like the board otherwise. Like the other board thow it suffers from no minor textures. So it can't be dry brushed. You need a airbrush to paint it well imo.
@Lockark, there is a bit of love & hate here on the paint job. We will try and gauge that more. But overall feedback we are getting (note just here) is overwhelming good. Changing the paint job is not an issue if it does need to come to that. That said this are based painted and a good spray paint and some inking/drybrushing or airbrushing will do quick work to the get the color theme change you want.
GamesNGears wrote: @Lockark, there is a bit of love & hate here on the paint job. We will try and gauge that more. But overall feedback we are getting (note just here) is overwhelming good. Changing the paint job is not an issue if it does need to come to that. That said this are based painted and a good spray paint and some inking/drybrushing or airbrushing will do quick work to the get the color theme change you want.
What's your reasoning for not having the bricks laid down in straight rows instead of the offset rows that you see in the real world? I think the brick aspects of the non-street section should be reworked, I don't think they look realistic at all...
GamesNGears wrote: @Lockark, there is a bit of love & hate here on the paint job. We will try and gauge that more. But overall feedback we are getting (note just here) is overwhelming good. Changing the paint job is not an issue if it does need to come to that. That said this are based painted and a good spray paint and some inking/drybrushing or airbrushing will do quick work to the get the color theme change you want.
you know I honestly just throught it was primed and then ink-washed to show the details.
I'll definitely be painting mine differently.
(I have a whole Medieval town's worth of the old resin Armorcast buildings and a dozen JR medieval buildings)
Can't wait to surround this board with the Warhammer castle and do a Kings of War siege and city fight!
lord_blackfang wrote: I have a genuine question for "backers" who apparently don't care about texture depth: why not just get a good quality printed mat or board instead?
Well, the last time I played using a mat, when I tried to place a model on the play area outside of the portion supported by the table it ended up in pieces on the floor.
Can't quite figure out what went wrong.....
I agree with others, I think the "anima" board would look better with a different paint job. The fact that the main street part of it is painted in a very flat way really doesn't help.
Yeah, it's almost like I specifically mentioned one thing, without mentioning the other!
It took me seconds to spot the bolded part, while trying to figure out what connection the quote had to your post.
If you have a point, to save time, kindly just state it please.
Kilkrazy wrote: Were your reference pics shot in Rye? The street with the Mermaid Inn?
York has some very characteristic mediaeval buildings in The Shambles.
Yes! Lovely place, the crew did go there and spent a day . We would recommend all to visit there! It is very inspiring and pretty cool place to be at. Hope they will take me next time too!
lord_blackfang wrote: I have a genuine question for "backers" who apparently don't care about texture depth: why not just get a good quality printed mat or board instead?
Well, the last time I played using a mat, when I tried to place a model on the play area outside of the portion supported by the table it ended up in pieces on the floor.
Can't quite figure out what went wrong.....
I agree with others, I think the "anima" board would look better with a different paint job. The fact that the main street part of it is painted in a very flat way really doesn't help.
Yeah, it's almost like I specifically mentioned one thing, without mentioning the other!
It took me seconds to spot the bolded part, while trying to figure out what connection the quote had to your post.
If you have a point, to save time, kindly just state it please.
No worries, next time I'll say "He said mat OR BOARD, a board would address the only problem you have with a mat, so what kind of post was that, hahahahahha"
But I only mentioned the mat because that was relevant. But if you're going to insist on being a pedant, kindly find me a printed board, commercially available, which is available as a single 6' x 4' piece and not tiles a la the Realm Of Battle board from GW, which would still suffer the same potential toppling mishaps if set up on a table that allowed the degree of overhang that these boards are supposed to allow?
azreal13 wrote: But I only mentioned the mat because that was relevant. But if you're going to insist on being a pedant, kindly find me a printed board, commercially available, which is available as a single 6' x 4' piece and not tiles a la the Realm Of Battle board from GW, which would still suffer the same potential toppling mishaps if set up on a table that allowed the degree of overhang that these boards are supposed to allow?
Printed board remember, not plastic or similar.
Sorry when someone says "Why not get a mat or board" and you say "Well mats bend!", the next response is clearly just "What about a board". You're the one that's moaning about wanting to save time - try answering the whole point instead of part of it. Adding additional constraints to the topic now and putting the onus on me to find you a commercial product that probably doesn't exist doesn't change that. What does it matter if it's all one sheet? I use 3 2x4s on a dining table. Works fine. No bending. Minis don't topple off at the edges. What does it have to do with you acting like "Mats bend" is a suitable counterargument to "Why not get a mat or a board"?
azreal13 wrote: But I only mentioned the mat because that was relevant. But if you're going to insist on being a pedant, kindly find me a printed board, commercially available, which is available as a single 6' x 4' piece and not tiles a la the Realm Of Battle board from GW, which would still suffer the same potential toppling mishaps if set up on a table that allowed the degree of overhang that these boards are supposed to allow?
Printed board remember, not plastic or similar.
Sorry when someone says "Why not get a mat or board" and you say "Well mats bend!", the next response is clearly just "What about a board". You're the one that's moaning about wanting to save time - try answering the whole point instead of part of it. Adding additional constraints to the topic now and putting the onus on me to find you a commercial product that probably doesn't exist doesn't change that. What does it matter if it's all one sheet? I use 3 2x4s on a dining table. Works fine. No bending. Minis don't topple off at the edges.
Really?
There's a chap at my club who had a whole bunch of Historicals in need of repair due to flippage using that exact same system. All it took was one chap to absentmindedly place a rulebook on the "table" edge.
I'm aware that boards do not behave like mats, which is why I addressed only mats in my response. The fact you felt compelled to address this is speaking more to your apparent predilection for nit picking and picking fights than any flaws in my logic.
Continue shouting at the wall if you like, we're done for now.
Still waiting for an example of that commercially available, printed board btw.
(I can go back and edit my posts if I think of something clever to add too!!)
azreal13 wrote: But I only mentioned the mat because that was relevant. But if you're going to insist on being a pedant, kindly find me a printed board, commercially available, which is available as a single 6' x 4' piece and not tiles a la the Realm Of Battle board from GW, which would still suffer the same potential toppling mishaps if set up on a table that allowed the degree of overhang that these boards are supposed to allow?
Printed board remember, not plastic or similar.
Sorry when someone says "Why not get a mat or board" and you say "Well mats bend!", the next response is clearly just "What about a board". You're the one that's moaning about wanting to save time - try answering the whole point instead of part of it. Adding additional constraints to the topic now and putting the onus on me to find you a commercial product that probably doesn't exist doesn't change that. What does it matter if it's all one sheet? I use 3 2x4s on a dining table. Works fine. No bending. Minis don't topple off at the edges.
Really?
There's a chap at my club who had a whole bunch of Historicals in need of repair due to flippage using that exact same system. All it took was one chap to absentmindedly place a rulebook on the "table" edge.
I'm aware that boards do not behave like mats, which is why I addressed only mats in my response. The fact you felt compelled to address this is speaking more to your apparent predilection for nit picking and picking fights than any flaws in my logic.
Continue shouting at the wall if you like, we're done for now.
No, I pointed out a simple flaw in your logic and you got pissy because it "took a long time" to derive my point. Nobody's shouting at you; way to go ad-hominem. Sure, we're done. Suits me fine.
*edit* Made it really clear I don't see what the relevance of "Find me X commercial product" has in terms of "Why do you think "Why not use X or Y" "Because X bends" is a suitable answer", it's just a diversionary tactic, if you're waiting I'd recommend not holding your breath
I think points and concerns have been made and raised very clearly several times here repeatedly. Thank you and well noted!! But we want to move on kindly now thanks again.
In a few hours we will show the world the Anime Wars battle board!! Incoming and we are excited. More Games & Gears Warmsith Terrian line to come in the days and weeks to come to kit out your Games & Gears battle boards!
I think points and concerns have been made and raised very clearly several times here repeatedly. Thank you and well noted!! But we want to move on kindly now thanks again.
In a few hours we will show the world the Anime Wars battle board!! Incoming and we are excited. More Games & Gears Warmsith Terrian line to come in the days and weeks to come to kit out your Games & Gears battle boards!
very excited, you guys have already sold me on the ANIMA board for fantasy stuff, if the sci fi board can be used for Robotech then I'll be double happy.
I think points and concerns have been made and raised very clearly several times here repeatedly. Thank you and well noted!! But we want to move on kindly now thanks again.
In a few hours we will show the world the Anime Wars battle board!! Incoming and we are excited. More Games & Gears Warmsith Terrian line to come in the days and weeks to come to kit out your Games & Gears battle boards!
Ditto! There is an army behind you G&G just get your KS up and running! Keep up the great work. If the anime board is as good as the rest in I am in for that one too.
Games & Gears Anime Wars base painted Battle Boards.
Here are the first sneak peaks of our Anime Wars Battle Board! This will come in 4 initial 24" inches by 24" inches designs and 2 more to be unlocked via our Games & Gears Kickstarter to a total of 6 designs for your gaming pleasure. The Anime Wars Battle Board will be a 6 by 4 Games & Gears battle board. Giving you 6 unique designs that go together in various combos for your 4by4 and 6 by 4 games.
The first two designs you see are we call "Cargo Rooms" & the "Core Reactor" of course you can name them as you wish. Our Games & Gears Warsmith Terrain line will have Sci Walls available to give the 4 rooms you see with the hexagon panels to bring it full to life, which will be showcased during our Kickstater. Other Games & Gears Warsmith Sci-Fi Terrain product lines will compliment this Anime Wars battle board.
Whether you play Relic Knights, Warhammer 40,000, Robotech, Infinity and other Sci-Fi games with super detail and texture.
- Games & Gears battle boards are designed with 100% miniature war games play-ability in mind. Where the actual texture is NOT an obstruction for your miniatures. To add greater depth we have our up and coming high resin detailed Warsmith Terrain line to add to the Games & Gears battle boards to give you awesome visuals and a great game play experience. You can also add your own collection of your terrain to your Games & Gears battle boards.
- All Games & Gears Battle Boards can be interlocked with each other.
- You can also add Games & Gears Gaming trays to keep your gaming accessories at hand and also place your casualties there, you can also deploy your miniatures from the Games & Gears Gaming trays.
- Play on the Games & Gears Battle Board without rolling dice on them by using our Games & Gears Felt Dice tray. So you just roll your dice in a slick and clear way for both you and your opponents to see the results!
It's been a long journey to get this ready for our Kickstarter launch. We very much thank you for your stern patience and faith in us. You are the G&G community and your countless messages of support have spurred us on. As we have got all the niggling bits of pre production mostly out the way we need your support to hit the mass production button and deliver these to you on time and without delay via your pledge.
-First 1400 Kickstarter backer to get their battle boards within 3-4.5 months after the end of our Kickstater.
We will try and get this down to 2.5-3 months. The rest of our awesome backers after the initial 1400 kickstarter backers will get their battle boards on the 5 month from the end of the Kickstater and we will try to get that down to 4 months if we can. We aim to insure you do not have to wait so long for your Games & Gears Battle Boards. Good price, good quality and deliver on time is our creed and we stand by it.
Thank you for being with us on the long journey, it is time to change the gaming experience for the better, your pledge will enable us to do a lot more and bring more our community you.
Sincerely,
Da Crew
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Cannot wait to add the Games & Gears Warsmith Sci Fi Terrian on this bad boy!
Finally a slick, super sweet battle board that's my Yu Jing faction arms are safe at last!! when they tip over (and have done) those darn fiddly arms break :(. But I love the faction to bits. You have just saved the arms of many Infinity players miniatures and other fiddly bits lol. I'm IN for this one as well!!!
darkeldarcrone wrote: Finally a slick, super sweet battle board that's my Yu Jing faction arms are safe at last!! when they tip over (and have done) those darn fiddly arms break :(. But I love the faction to bits. You have just saved the arms of many Infinity players miniatures and other fiddly bits lol. I'm IN for this one as well!!!
What board are you playing on where models are in constant fear of tipping over? I've never had a model break (including infinity) when it took a tumble down a hill...
darkeldarcrone wrote: Finally a slick, super sweet battle board that's my Yu Jing faction arms are safe at last!! when they tip over (and have done) those darn fiddly arms break :(. But I love the faction to bits. You have just saved the arms of many Infinity players miniatures and other fiddly bits lol. I'm IN for this one as well!!!
Interesting. That sci-fi board looks good, and the concerns about depth and colour I have for the street board aren't an issue with that one. I can certainly see myself getting one of those. Maybe a bit of colour modulation with an airbrush, and it's golden.
Quite like the Sci-fi board. The lack of depth/texture isn't an issue when you are creating clean, smooth surfaces.
The AT board could be great. The texture of the paving stones on the sides is good, but looks a little too uniform. I could live with it though. The road I am a little baffled by. I have no idea what the surface is trying to be, and it looks like someone knocked up a bad photoshop of a cracked road in 5 minutes then stuck it on a board. Is it supposed to be a cracked earth dirt road? The harsh contrast of the paint job doesn't help it, but I doubt a better paint job will save it.
willb2064 wrote: Quite like the Sci-fi board. The lack of depth/texture isn't an issue when you are creating clean, smooth surfaces.
The AT board could be great. The texture of the paving stones on the sides is good, but looks a little too uniform. I could live with it though. The road I am a little baffled by. I have no idea what the surface is trying to be, and it looks like someone knocked up a bad photoshop of a cracked road in 5 minutes then stuck it on a board. Is it supposed to be a cracked earth dirt road? The harsh contrast of the paint job doesn't help it, but I doubt a better paint job will save it.
I assume this is the effect they're after, and a less....high contrast? paint job will probably make it a bit closer to it.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my posts. One like that would be made of win. The colours and shapes of the flagstones, the slight rise at the gutter/road's edge, etc.
Though the shown board also has flagstones that are a bit/lot more oddly shaped, rather than the semi-regularity of the ones in your pic. All bordered by ruler-straight lines at the road's edges.
More Games & Gears Battle Board pictures to come. All pre production is pretty much set and sorted. We are getting the KS video worked on and the KS itself.
It's exciting times and we cannot wait to launch.
More special limited rewards to be announced like the convention limited rewards.
Awesome!! Really cannot wait. Going to add pictures of the space station here so I don't have to keep going back and fourth on this thread, just like to stare . Can you put all the pictures of all the boards in one post please?? Thanks!
my mates and I are already excited about playing X-Wing, inifinity and 40k on it. Spaceship, space station, base compound... so many ways... so many games to be played on this board. Its really sweet.
I would think that playing X-Wing on such a board wouldn't be to viable when you look at the scale of things. The tiles pictured are set up in such a way that they are very clearly meant for 25 to 32mm models. Placing an X-wing on that board would look horribly out of scale. I mean the Naboo starfighter is smaller than an X-wing if I remember correctly, and if you watch Phantom Menace, it has to basically 'land' for it to stop and shoot. This board doesn't really lend itself to that scale of game.
I'll be in this for the Dropzone Commander city board. I think it was really smart the way they laid that one out- with the lines painted on, it works fantastically for 10mm. It will be interesting if it works well for 28mm without the painted lines... but I'm not too concerned since I saw the DzC version at GenCon and that's the one I'm interested in
For my dark eldar and 40k gaming gonna get the Hellscape, for fantasy battle the Anima one. For the anime wars one as I said X-wing, infinity and 40k and anything else I want to play on it! The Dropzone one if I get into Dropzome, a mate of mine has an army set, their mini's are super sweet. So leading onto my question. Will there be a reward to get all the boards? A couple of us may just do that. I'm in for 3 for starts and see what else you have.
This looks to finish around the time i get my Christmas bonus so i am very tempted by the Anime wars and DZC ones, should nicely cover my gaming table needs!
Alfndrate wrote: I would think that playing X-Wing on such a board wouldn't be to viable when you look at the scale of things. The tiles pictured are set up in such a way that they are very clearly meant for 25 to 32mm models. Placing an X-wing on that board would look horribly out of scale. I mean the Naboo starfighter is smaller than an X-wing if I remember correctly, and if you watch Phantom Menace, it has to basically 'land' for it to stop and shoot. This board doesn't really lend itself to that scale of game.
I think it could work really well. Thinking of it as the exterior of a large Space Station (though nothing like the size of the Death Star). I'm also assuming that like the Tablescapes KS campaign, the G&G tile "themes" will feature several different tile designs each to get the 6x4 board happening. I felt that both the Hell Dorado and Anima boards as shown were flawed, but this one looks bloody good. I just hope G&G become more open to feedback and constructive criticism, as most replies to such appear to simply be cheerleading posts that ignore criticism with "400 facebook hell yeas" about whether the campaign should go ahead (which means gak all really when discussing specific details on tiles).
I think critical thought based on 3 or 4 pictures is not critical. Like another dude said wait for the videos and more pics. Also I think the few same people have made their points as G&G have said over again and again.
I would PM G&G like i do if I feel so passionately about something. It is ok if you don't love it. I think it's not ok if you keep ranting about it.
But from the 30 gamers mates I play with we are all going to jump in. Their 1080 hell yes and a few hundred maybes is bloody fantastic and puts things into perspective (just check) So no gak here, just in awe of their awesome boards. Best thing I seen so far out there including the hell one and anima. As someone who frequents miniature war games on nearly a daily basis. I think they got the board exactly down to how club players like myself want gaming boards to be like. off the soap box... Back to staring....
darkeldarcrone wrote: I think critical thought based on 3 or 4 pictures is not critical. Like another dude said wait for the videos and more pics. Also I think the few same people have made their points as G&G have said over again and again.
If that's all we've got to go on, and people continue to discuss the product, then the discussion continues. This isn't a forum that's dedicated only to slavering sycophancy. There are actually quite a few producers of products who are quite active here who are also receptive to feedback.
I would PM G&G like i do if I feel so passionately about something. It is ok if you don't love it. I think it's not ok if you keep ranting about it.
Well, if we're going to go down this path, I don't particularly care what you think, and I'm quite happy that you don't get to decide what's ok and not ok for me to post about.
But from the 30 gamers mates I play with we are all going to jump in. Their 1080 hell yes and a few hundred maybes is bloody fantastic and puts things into perspective (just check) So no gak here, just in awe of their awesome boards. Best thing I seen so far out there including the hell one and anima.
The entirety of your gaming group of 30 of you are all going to jump in? As unlikely as it sounds, good for you and good for them. Your fanboi is showing a bit much here though - and as I said before, I'm one of the "hell yeas". But let's not forget that we're talking about a poll that simply asks if you'd be interested in purchasing $100 gaming boards - it asks nothing specific about any of the designs (none of which are even mentioned), so it basically means less than feth all when discussing the specifics of any of the designs.
Ultimately, of the three shown, I only like one. I can certainly afford to get more than one, so I'd like as many as possible to be up to par so I can spend more money on their products.
Sorry for the radio silence here. We have all been busy here gearing up on Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter, getting our other lines of products ready for distribution world wide that are available on our website. Some great ideas here. We will post all the board pics which have already been published here and elsewhere in one post. So what we are doing now is videos, KS video a battle report and a lot more .
Since we make these if you have any great ideas/suggestions were we can consider please email us info@gamesandgears.co.uk. This is really the best way to engage and discuss it. It will be forwarded to the design team and they will discuss with Ninja Division or Hawk. So Please email us by all means, just bear with us, we are usually quick to reply, we have not yet got any PMs yet at all on this yet... But the community is brimming with awesome ideas we are sure!
Also note This KS will be about our Battle Boards and Terrain line,, gaming trays, dice trays which will go hand in hand with each other. There is some really lovely stuff coming up with our terrain line that we hope you will love too. We think beautiful terrain art for the boards and modular movable terrain is the way forward. Thanks to many of you here and the world wide gaming community you have already made Games & Gears a great success so we thank everyone sincerely. We will continue to work hard and bring this KS about and upon hopeful success on that bring out many many more battle boards . This is just the start.
Bear with us if we are quiet on here. It's just crazy busy (in a very good way).
Just to quickly answer some questions. You can get some or all the Games & Gears battle board themes by pledging on the KS, up to you how many you want. All theme boards will be delivered at the same time not in separate waves. Only waves we have is the: First 1400 backers get there's a bit early as we make them and ship them, save us storage space we do not have. There will be a limited reward where Ichiban Studios will professional paint your battle boards for you. Will have some gaming convention rewards as they will be using them in their cons and a whole lot more.
More to come! Please bear with us, if we are not as active in the next few days!
darkeldarcrone wrote: I think critical thought based on 3 or 4 pictures is not critical. Like another dude said wait for the videos and more pics. Also I think the few same people have made their points as G&G have said over again and again.
I would PM G&G like i do if I feel so passionately about something. It is ok if you don't love it. I think it's not ok if you keep ranting about it.
1) First impressions are everything when it comes to a product. If someone doesn't like the 3 or 4 pictures that are used as promotional marketing material, then why would they like the actual product? The promo material is supposed to be the stuff to suck people into a product that they don't know they want yet. People have been asking for videos and more pics for weeks now, if they aren't going to release one now, then it won't matter if they release one when the KS starts because by then people will find themselves in 1 camp or another.
2) I'd rather not take my issues with the designs to PMs because I've yet to get what I feel is an honest answer without the thin, slimy veneer of marketing doublespeak from GnG.
But from the 30 gamers mates I play with we are all going to jump in. Their 1080 hell yes and a few hundred maybes is bloody fantastic and puts things into perspective (just check) So no gak here, just in awe of their awesome boards. Best thing I seen so far out there including the hell one and anima. As someone who frequents miniature war games on nearly a daily basis. I think they got the board exactly down to how club players like myself want gaming boards to be like. off the soap box... Back to staring....
Sadly, "30 gamers/mates" etc... means feth all in the larger scheme of things, as does the number of hell yes's on facebook. The actual lack of activity on any of the designs seems more telling than anything. Out of the past few design reveal posts on their facebook have garnered far less attention than it seems to be considering GnG's 1097 "hell yeahs". But hey, I'm gonna bow out for awhile because it seems that the company don't seem to be willing to take criticism about their product even from people that are interested in their product such as Azazelx.
After looking at their facebook page, I'm wondering if the "DZC"-sized roads will work well for Robotech Tactics? I also ordered a pair of the paint racks as well as they're a pretty great price. They look like they'll work well on my temporary paint desk to help neaten up the paints and possibly some of the WIP models as well. Now just hoping they ship in early rather than late November.
@Azazelx thanks for your purchase and support! Our team who heads that are working hard to send it out early! Worst case scenario as promised end of November. Thanks again we are nearly sold out. Had a crazy rush in the beginning, last few left.
Regarding the DZC boards on Robotech Tactics. It should work sweetly together. The buildings however will be a tad big. As we will be doing a special building pack only for this with Hawk Wargames which you can get separately. There are some pictures on our FB with Epic 40k showcased on the DZC Battle Board.
I wonder if you will like the idea of making a storage box in the dimensions of the paint rack, I eagerly wait mine but I plan to have some in a configuration of the one behind the other, the back elevated enough to be over the one in front it.
GamesNGears wrote: @Azazelx thanks for your purchase and support! Our team who heads that are working hard to send it out early! Worst case scenario as promised end of November. Thanks again we are nearly sold out. Had a crazy rush in the beginning, last few left.
Regarding the DZC boards on Robotech Tactics. It should work sweetly together. The buildings however will be a tad big. As we will be doing a special building pack only for this with Hawk Wargames which you can get separately. There are some pictures on our FB with Epic 40k showcased on the DZC Battle Board.
What do you mean by the buildings being too big? I'd have thought DZG was in a smaller scale than RT Tactics? What's the scale of DZG 1/100? I'll find out what the scale of Robotech is supposed to be.
@Azazelx, it's either to big or too small. ;P. Can't remember which way around. Either way the buildings look a tad odd with Robotech. The DZC cityscape battle board itself is a sweet match with Robotech.
DZC is 10mm.
@Psychotic Storm, certainly are looking into it for late 2014. But nothing solid yet
@Ritides, will be card material. Custom building pack for this KS only. Regarding existing or new designs will be confirmed as soon as I find out.
To be pedantic (only because I know some people get SUPER uptight about the particulars of scale, I'm not one of them), Robotech has been advertised as being 1/285.
My crew has been looking at getting a DZC cityscape set or two for when our RRT boxes arrive, but since this involved Palladium and the delivery has slid from "December" to "December/January" and progress seems to be slow as things bounce between Ninja Division, Palladium and Harmony Gold, if those building exist with this project and the price/S&H are right, I could see snagging one of these boards.
So, as I said months ago, I remain interested, and look forward to the KS going live in the next week or two.
Games & Gears & Hawk Wargames announce Hawk Wargames 28mm Urban Battlefield Battle Boards. For their upcoming Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter
LONDON, United Kingdom, October 21, 2013 - Games & Gears has announced a custom version of their battle boards which will be created for 28mm tabletop sci-fi wargames.
This will be based on the 10mm Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle board but at 28mm scale. The main adjustments will be: roads will be 6 inches wide and a minimum 3mm in depth compared to the pavement. 3mm is a little over 10% of the height of a 28mm miniature model, give you great realism for your war games.
The Hawk Wargames 28mm Urban Battlefield battle-boards are high quality battle boards that can be used to play any Sci-Fi miniature wargame on. More will be announced soon.
Games & Gears LLP is a producer of innovative high end designs & products for a range of niche and FMCG markets. Products include Games & Gears Gaming Boards, the Pro Studio Line, Masters Series, Hobby Gears & many other licensed products. Contact Games & Gears at info@gamesandgears.co.uk.
Hawk Wargames Ltd is a Wargaming company from London, created by David Lewis. After the successful launch of Dropzone Commander at Salute! in 2012, the game has gone from strength to strength, releasing new models, and most recently, a fantastic Cityscape card scenery pack and a 2 Player Starter Set, which has created a great buzz around the game. For more information about Hawk Wargames, please visit www.hawkwargames.com or email info@hawkwargames.com.
We are very excited about this. Now you have the awesome texture design by Hawk Wargames in 28mm and an awesome city fight battle board. Time to lead our armies and liberate/destroy/capture worlds and their cities.
We are very excited about this. Now you have the awesome texture design by Hawk Wargames in 28mm and an awesome city fight battle board. Time to lead your army(s) and liberate/destroy/capture worlds and cities. :p
GamesNGears wrote: We are very excited about this. Now you have the awesome texture design by Hawk Wargames in 28mm and an awesome city fight battle board. Time to lead your army(s) and liberate/destroy/capture worlds and cities. :p
Just take my money! Was only going get three of your boards... Count me in for 4. Hawk 28mm battle board... Awesome. Loving the terrain. Waiting to see the themed sets. Keep up the awesome work G&G
This just occurred to me... the title of this thread, and my impression, had been that the boards would come in sets of 6... but will you be offering a set of 4 boards for the Dropzone Commander board?
I think the table at GenCon only had 4 if I'm remembering right, and we've never played it on larger than a 4'x4' area... so only 4 boards and not 6 would be ideal for that.
All Games & Gears battle boards will come in 4 designs initially and then a further 2 design unlocked via stretch goals for each battle board. Unlocking all the designs will give each theme 6 designs that go together.
GamesNGears wrote: All Games & Gears battle boards will come in 4 designs initially and then a further 2 design unlocked via stretch goals for each battle board. Unlocking all the designs will give each theme 6 designs that go together.
Sounds good... but just to be clear, there will be a pledge level for just 4 of them, right?
@Ritides. No. The reason behind this a number of things. Keep the rewards simple. Insuring 4by4 players get all 6 designs which they can interchange. Keep prices super value for money for everyone. Helps and supports us in volume and maintain good price. Shortens the delivery time packing is standardized since everyone gets 6.
GamesNGears wrote: @Ritides. No. The reason behind this a number of things. Keep the rewards simple. Insuring 4by4 players get all 6 designs which they can interchange. Keep prices super value for money for everyone. Helps and supports us in volume and maintain good price. Shortens the delivery time packing is standardized since everyone gets 6.
Well, bummer.
I can understand standardized packaging, but if you've got terrain add-ons and the like you'll already have a variety of boxes... and it helps to have a reward level to let folks dip their toes in.
Also the costs for a 4by4 will be nearly the same. If all 6 designs get unlocked which we hope. Then a fair option would be for the 4by4s to choose which pcs they want. However this increases costs in time in packing, checking orders case by case and working out volumes increase costs considerably it also increase the length in delivery time (for everyone). It can be done no problem, but the cost of this will not make it worth it for 4by4 rewards as there will be little difference in price.
If we price the 6by4s for 200usd or more then we can have room to do all the leg work for a 4by4 as stated above. As it will be charging consumers a lot of money and way beyond the threshold we think battle boards/gaming boards should be.
Since it would not meet two out of three of our critirea: 1.Great Price, 2. Great Quality 3, Great delivery (1 & 3). We have decided not to do it and offer everyone great value for money, in return of great support to us & the product.
, Ninja Division, Hawk Wargames and us will be making high quality battle boards as many have seen in Gencon or down local clubs. We just cannot wait to get it to you
Provided, of course, that these boards turn out to be everything they're promised to be!
Yeah, I would've liked the option for 4, also due to the fact that there will be only four unique designs to start.
If G&G hits the $100 price point for 6, then that's still OK for me... but if there's shipping on top of that, etc it can add up quickly!
Whereas four with shipping still for under $100 would be a no-brainer for dropzone commander players. I guess if my other friend also gets a set, we'll each use our spare 2 tiles to make a third 4x4
Pounds isn't a problem, I just pledged for a campaign in it . It just means I try to have the funds in Paypal so I can use my Paypal card and not have to have my bank do any converting.
Even a set of six 2' x 2' boards (6x4) is beneficial for players who use 4x4 for their games - if there's multiple unique designs it allows you greater flexibility in setting up your modular board!
GamesNGears wrote: All Games & Gears battle boards will come in 4 designs initially and then a further 2 design unlocked via stretch goals for each battle board. Unlocking all the designs will give each theme 6 designs that go together.
So the pledges will be for 6 tiles regardless, each theme with 4 designs - and then unlocking an additional 2 designs per theme? And each of the 6 tiles with a different design after stretch unlocks?
Sorry, we are in full swing of getting the KS ready for launch next week.
But here is a G&G Terrain sneak peak. Part of one terrain set on the KS that you can upgrade with your pledge. Just working on the battlements.
from our FB "Hell Dais:
is another Terrain piece from Games & Gears. Elevated terrain, great for heavy weapon squads, artillery and anything else that benefits from line of sight over troops by being on elevated terrain. In true Hellish fashion the Hell Dais can be flipped over to create another elevated terrain for your gaming pleasure."
Holy crap that is some sweet terrain. Reading the blurb will fit nicely with the Hell board and a corrupted Anima board. Waiting to see what other terrain you will do for the other boards! cannot wait for this, Kickstarter this week?
Games & Gears via the facebooks wrote:
Games & Gears 2nd,3rd,4th or 5th of November. Final touches and KS approval. We will list all the rewards shortly. To make sure everyone has the just no to miss out on the early birds. Will confirm a fixed date within the next 2 days
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Yep, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th - or 9th of November. Or something. I wonder how long the delays on this one will be once it's complete? Also, ending on 9th of December isn't really particularly friendly, so I might have to skip this one now, when if they'd gotten it running earlier I'd have definitely been in.
Worth noting, campaigns don't have to be a month long. A cursory Google'ing indicates they can be as short as a day.
Obviously it won't be THAT short, but they've commented on wanting a very swift turn around for delivery, and have been spreading the word on Facebook, here, and presumably elsewhere.
I could see potential for a mere 2 weeks, or something like that. Enough time to finish getting the word out a bit, but cut out the middle man of those 'slump weeks' where only a trickle of funding is found. Big start, big finish, minimal loss if the products are delivered shortly and fans become their marketing material with boards destined for the website and proper order shortly thereafter.
Azazelx wrote: Yep, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th - or 9th of November. Or something. I wonder how long the delays on this one will be once it's complete? Also, ending on 9th of December isn't really particularly friendly, so I might have to skip this one now, when if they'd gotten it running earlier I'd have definitely been in.
KS can take up to a week to approve a campaign, don't forget. Maybe it was submitting on the 2nd. Or they were waiting production proofs? (ya know, what everyone jumps down Mantic's throat for not having)
Azazelx wrote: Yep, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th - or 9th of November. Or something. I wonder how long the delays on this one will be once it's complete? Also, ending on 9th of December isn't really particularly friendly, so I might have to skip this one now, when if they'd gotten it running earlier I'd have definitely been in.
KS can take up to a week to approve a campaign, don't forget. Maybe it was submitting on the 2nd. Or they were waiting production proofs? (ya know, what everyone jumps down Mantic's throat for not having)
Well, they appear to have a working camera, so they're already off to a good start over Mantic...
azreal13 wrote: Any chance of the paint racks making it out the door before the KS rises up and swallows you until Christmas?
Hobby Gears Racks should be finished by the end of next week (mass production). Then packing/handling and sending to our warehouses in the USA, Canada & UK then dispatched to you. Estimated time of dispatch end of November. But we hope a delightful surprise if we can do it mid November.
GamesNGears wrote: -Initial Rewards to be announced within the next 8 hours.
I hope you anounce what the "x2" (two sets of 6 boards) early bird / pledge level is set at, as that's what it looks like a friend and I will likely be splitting now
azreal13 wrote: Any chance of the paint racks making it out the door before the KS rises up and swallows you until Christmas?
Hobby Gears Racks should be finished by the end of next week (mass production). Then packing/handling and sending to our warehouses in the USA, Canada & UK then dispatch to you. Estimated time of dispatch end of November. But we hope a delightful surprise if we can do it mid November.
Cool, my paint area is a fething state, I NEED those racks!
azreal13 wrote: Any chance of the paint racks making it out the door before the KS rises up and swallows you until Christmas?
Hobby Gears Racks should be finished by the end of next week (mass production). Then packing/handling and sending to our warehouses in the USA, Canada & UK then dispatch to you. Estimated time of dispatch end of November. But we hope a delightful surprise if we can do it mid November.
Cool, my paint area is a fething state, I NEED those racks!
Mine is in a really organised state, but still got 6, I do not object to better organisation.
My issue is that I'd don't have a defined painting area, I re-started a few years back with the intention of just picking up some models to paint, and I am still using that Citadel Paint Station as a lap tray!
Of course, we all know you can't do this hobby just a bit, so since then, every flat surface within even semi-easy reach has now become covered in paint pots, models and hobby tools!
I'm moving in a few months, and have the luxury of having a say in the layout of the new place, so will have a more organised space, but I'll still need something to organise my paint!
If there are any left after the weekend, I might order a other one, as since I placed my pre order, I've bought more paint!
War is coming to your table top at home. Only 1000 Early Birds, in honor of our Previous KS backers, FB fans & Dakka supporters (also all the lurkers who want in). Rest of the Rewards to be revealed. Be warned we expect them to sell out soon! But we think there is enough early bird rewards around for the 1st 1000 rewards. The MSRP will be aprrox 125.00GBP for a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Board. So the KS Prices will be less than the MSRP but much less. Which makes Games & Gears Battle Boards Epic Awesome Value for money .
azreal13 wrote: Any chance of the paint racks making it out the door before the KS rises up and swallows you until Christmas?
Hobby Gears Racks should be finished by the end of next week (mass production). Then packing/handling and sending to our warehouses in the USA, Canada & UK then dispatch to you. Estimated time of dispatch end of November. But we hope a delightful surprise if we can do it mid November.
Cool, my paint area is a fething state, I NEED those racks!
War is coming to your table top at home. Only 1000 Early Birds, in honor of our Previous KS backers, FB fans & Dakka supporters (also all the lurkers who want in). Rest of the Rewards to be revealed. Be warned we expect them to sell out soon! But we think there is enough early bird rewards around for the 1st 1000 rewards. The MSRP will be aprrox 125.00GBP for a Games & Gears 6 by 4 Battle Board. So the KS Prices will be less than the MSRP but much less. Which makes Games & Gears Battle Boards Epic Awesome Value for money .
You might want to think about what happens when people in an EB for, say, one board would like to get two or three or what have you when more options are unlocked. I'm interested in one, but might go as high as three (maybe four?) - but that's entirely dependant on what gets shown as the campaign evolves. Still, it puts people in the 62UKP slots in an odd position if they want to add more as time goes on, if it means they lose their EB slot...
judgedoug wrote: that's $100 for a 6x4 plastic modular board, which is an insanely good deal. i don't think they will have any problem selling out of Early Birds.
Got to agree with that, the secret weapon boards didn't interest me purely on the basis that even at the KS price they were more expensive than a realm of battle board from a discounted retailer for a UK person like myself. Being able to get something modular without tonnes of sculpted detail that repeats or causes wobbly model syndrome is a big draw, but even if the EB's somehow make up the majority of the pledges at least we've got them for a hell of a price compared to MSRP.
To be released on the 08/11/2013. Special cast on the Games & Gears Battle Boards with a lot of info prior the Games & Gears Battle Board Kickstarter. A guide into the upcoming Kickstarter! We will post a link here for your to tune in!
Alpharius wrote: I think I'll be in the air between Australia and China when this launches - argh!
There are a LOT of EB pledges though, so hopefully as long as you get on reasonably quickly, you should be alright, I imagine. Unless this thing goes crazy very very quickly of course
Wow, get the early birds guys! There's a lot of them, but the non-EB pledge (normal Core set) is almost twice as much... 62 pounds versus 110 pounds
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well geez, having seen the Anime Wars board I went ahead and upgraded to the EB x 2 pledge. There's a lot less of the multiple board pledges and 22 of the 100 "EB x 2" pledges are gone already.
If you're on the fence and just want to nab a spot, those are the ones that will go much more quickly (not the single EB pledges).
I'll admit the Dropzone board looks good, and is easily the best of the batch. The scaling for it makes the overall lack of depth not stand out as much. If I played DZC I'd likely pick one up.
But I stand by my earlier comments on the other boards though. The Anime Wars board looks like it'd make great wall covering on a budget sci-fi set.
The invalid trademark terrain additions have nice depth and detail to them (And curves!), its a shame the boards don't match up.
I agree that the DzC board is the best, which is one I'll be getting! Followed closely by the Anime Wars.
I think the Anime Wars one would be great for Infinity- we've been playing it on green mats, if I can get another local player in for the Anime Wars board we'll have enough for three 4x4 tables, which is the most we usually use for Infinity nights.
I love the Dropzone board but I don't play anything in that scale. If it came in 15mm, I would be all over it.
I would like to see how it works scaled up to 28mm, too. Just saying "like the 10mm, but with wider roads" doesn't quite cut it. I'd like to know how much space is left for buildings and stuff when the roads are that much wider.
The sci-fi Anime board looks fine at first glance but has poor functionality. The design just doesn't look like a good foundation for most buildings. Some of the area looks fine as the interior of a cargo bay or something, but I just don't see any structures except cargo containers make sense on top of that design.
lord_blackfang wrote: I would like to see how it works scaled up to 28mm, too. Just saying "like the 10mm, but with wider roads" doesn't quite cut it. I'd like to know how much space is left for buildings and stuff when the roads are that much wider.
In regards to your answer to DAVID's question, it's an OK answer for now. The issue is what happens to the city blocks when you make the roads that much wider and you extend the roads by 6"; is there enough room to actually put full buildings and ruined buildings ALA 40K style in such confines?
Yeah, they're basically scaling up the DzC design, which is probably why it wasn't as ready since Hawk Wargames made the DzC design and probably had to modify it for them to scale up.
Answer from the comments:
LoL No worries William, If you look at the Boards as they are now. The 28mm has like 1-2 roads accross one section and one road across the other.So 6-12" of one side is 1-2 roads. And 12-24" around it will be pavements. So a good reference would be the ANMA boards. Roads in that board are 6" wide.
Backed at EARYL BIRD level for the Anime Wars battleboard as a base for all the Infinity terrain that I have received/will be receiving from various KS/IGG projects.
The others I have covered by Secret Weapon for the city scape (obviously not for the same price point, but I think the price difference shows). I already have a Zuzzy cobblestone mat, although the Anima Battle board does actually look pretty solid from gaming distance.
I'm really not sure that they've overcome the limitations of their medium for the Hellscape.
Just noticed that they come pre-painted?? Not sure how I feel about that.
I'm pretty happy about the pre-painted part, particularly if those hazard stripes come out nicely on the Anime Wars board.
I'm like you in not needing the cityscape- I'll be receiving one from Warsmith's warboard campaign.
But I will be getting this one in the DzC scale, because it's pretty much perfect for that game since they worked with Hawk Wargames on it . A local friend is getting a set, too, so we'll have three 4'x4's to use at the store.
These are very tempting indeed. If I didn't already invest in the cardstock cityscape in the meantime (along with some plastic covers to keep them in place) I'd have hopped on to it right away. I might still later on so I'll be staying subscribed to this thread. Thanks for offering early bird pledges as well as I think that is a nice touch and shows appreciation to the early/long standing fans.
RiTides wrote: Over half the x2 EB pledges are gone- it will definitely be the first to run out.
What I'm interested in knowing is if we can add a third board to it for another £62 i I have a bit more to spend at the end of the campaign or via PM later on. Because if I can add another £62 or even £124 than I likely will, but if it's going to cost an extra £95 each, well, then I won't be doing that.
Which now means many people will go in on one set rather than two. Time for G&G to let people know if they can double up on a one-board pledge, or they're leaving a lot of money on the table...
Automatically Appended Next Post: So they got back to me:
No sir, you would have to revert to the core price discount which would be 95.00GBP for the third board. We would Kindly suggest to for you to look at the Early bird x3 pledge and invest it that sir. Which will give you what you want. Hope this is ok.
Just to make sure I haven't assumed/imagined this, there are other table types to be unlocked aren't there? Not just additional tiles for the ones already announced?
azreal13 wrote: Just to make sure I haven't assumed/imagined this, there are other table types to be unlocked aren't there? Not just additional tiles for the ones already announced?
That's very theoretical since ~1500 backers will be needed just to unlock all the tiles for the original themes.
I imagine that would come only after/if they unlock additional tiles for the 5 existing themes (6 if we count the 28mm roads as separate from the 15mm. They'll be funded at £35k, with the listed three stretches being for boards at £45, £55 and £65. So from that we can extrapolate another £10k each for them to be done, so I'd say at least £100k before any new designs are unlocked.
Hmmm, can't help wondering if a more neutral board might not have been a better option for one of the initial designs in that case.
I'm excited to get the daemon world one as a daemons 40K player (and to have my bases make sense in the context of the table for once!) but "generic 6x4 board suitable for nearly all games" might have been better than two scales of the same board, even though I see the appeal.
Just butt them up against each other for sci-fi ship interiors. Use the BST ground-level stuff on the Anima board for rooms, corridors, etc and the BST board as the cargo hold. Add shipping containers from Rust Forge inside the hold and you're set.
lord_blackfang wrote: I love the Dropzone board but I don't play anything in that scale. If it came in 15mm, I would be all over it.
I would like to see how it works scaled up to 28mm, too. Just saying "like the 10mm, but with wider roads" doesn't quite cut it. I'd like to know how much space is left for buildings and stuff when the roads are that much wider.
The sci-fi Anime board looks fine at first glance but has poor functionality. The design just doesn't look like a good foundation for most buildings. Some of the area looks fine as the interior of a cargo bay or something, but I just don't see any structures except cargo containers make sense on top of that design.
lord_blackfang wrote: ...but I just don't see any structures except cargo containers make sense on top of that design.
Well, I did just receive some cargo containers from rust forge and plan to get the forklift and crates deal from CNC Workshop / Mousemuffins when it's available, so I'm okay with that . I'm actually a little sick of always having ruined buildings everywhere on boards, but I know this is a dominant style of terrain and it makes sense to have a board that works well for it (which the cityscape should do, once they have pics of it to show at 28mm).
Gotta say, i'm loving how responsive these folks are. Did you guys see the comments, and how quickly they jumped all over my suggestion of making a Deadzone/Mars Attacks overlay grid? Awesome.
I feel really good about supporting these guys. The terrain is a little pricey for my blood, but i'll absolutely be throwing a considerable amount of cash at these guys before this is over.
UltraPrime wrote: Just upped my pledge by £40 to cover the tray starter set.
I was considering that, but I just can't ever see myself using so many trays! At GW stores where there used to be metal trays hanging on the side of tables, people usually didn't stand right behind it- meaning you probably don't want trays lining the whole side. You could put these on the side, which might make more sense, but there's only room for 4 on the sides.
Right now I'm just pledged for 2 "gaming trays" (for 18 pounds together). I asked in the comments what the difference is between the gaming trays and the dice trays- if it's just a bit of felt in the bottom, I'll just get the gaming trays and then see if I want/need to add felt or not (i.e. then I'll have both options).
But it is good to have a discounted package for folks who want more trays- if you were thinking of getting 4, you might as well get 6 for not much more. I just can't ever see myself needing more than 2...
@Ritides, depends on your needs and configuration as you stated.
With some extensive experience on my side. Both dice trays on one side so you can see the dice results. One gaming tray next to the dice tray like this: L for all the mechanical bits (templates, cards, etc.). on the opposite end on the side you place and gaming tray for causalities. So you have 48" of non trays on your side .
Again the important thing to note is that you have a build that is perfect for you. Which you have correctly done!.
RiTides wrote: Fifth tile design for the Anime Wars board has been unlocked, woot!
Fifth? I thought the stretches were unlocking the last two of each? So that actually means that with 6 themes x2 we need £120,000 added onto unlock all 12 additional tiles - while the initial funding was for £35,000 to fund 24 tiles? Something appears a bit ...odd here.
The update that suggests that " if nearly everyone adds this (Games & Gears Gaming Tray Starter Kit: x4 Games & Gears Gaming Tray and x2 Felt Dice Trays for £40.00GBP (saving you £22.00GBP). deal (in theory) we should smash through our first stretch goal and nearly get to the second stretch goal fast." is more than a little hopeful as well, I feel. Why would most people add £40 for trays when they could just add £62 and get another entire board? Oh wait, they can't. Unless they make an additional pledge with a second account...
It is only 2 extra designs of each. Just to clarify, so 6 not 12. Total of 6 designs per theme. Hope that clarifies that . We are nearly half way there to unlocking it all stretch goals and has not even been 2 days! The initial funding goal was for 4 designs per theme, this has always been the case and never different .
RITIDES is correct the fifth design for Anime Wars has been unlocked and will be shown today once the Ninja's have finished modding it!!
Looks like Level 2 Stretch goal will be done today!! thank you!
Yeah,
I originally backed for a single 6x4...
But I want a 28mm drop zone city and a sci if board.
Ideally I want a double set but they are all gone!!!
In the end these early birds are such a good deal I grabbed a x3
I will downgrade if I see a double pledge open up.
Worst case scenario I'll receiving 3 boards..
So excited...
My 28mm board is getting a 40k wartorn dremel treatment.
And I'm planning on making my sci-if board a tau city!
I've gone in for 1 but now I have to decide if that 1 shall be scaled for DZC (which I am yet to play but have some models for) or just 28mm for everything else.
I really want one of each but.. money..
GamesNGears wrote: It is only 2 extra designs of each. Just to clarify, so 6 not 12. Total of 6 designs per theme. Hope that clarifies that . We are nearly half way there to unlocking it all stretch goals and has not even been 2 days! The initial funding goal was for 4 designs per theme, this has always been the case and never different .
RITIDES is correct the fifth design for Anime Wars has been unlocked and will be shown today once the Ninja's have finished modding it!!
Looks like Level 2 Stretch goal will be done today!! thank you!
There are 5 themes. (not 6, I stand corrected there).
DZC 15mm
DZC 28mm
Anime Wars
Anima Tactics
Hell Dorado
If each theme comes with 4 tiles each initially, with the last two of each to be unlocked via £10k stretch goals, that's still £100,000 to fully unlock those 10 tiles (split over the 5 themes - so 2 for each theme, "completing" them with 6 tiles each) - compared to the £35k funding target for the initial 20 tiles.
Or you could compare it to the stretch goals already shown - which is £40k to unlock 4 tiles, compared to the £35k initial funding to produce 20 different tiles.
It still doesn't add up to me, but if I'm miscalculating somehow, please correct me, though that's how the numbers look to me ...a little odd.
I'm keeping my x2 EB, so that's one you can count out . Surprised someone moved out of it, unless they went for x3... the discount is really good so easy for me to justify getting 2
There's also an in-between price listed as a Christmas deal or the like, but yeah, it's a big jump! Which is why I'm getting them now in case the price isn't viable later.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also: the x3 Early Bird is now sold out, and the single Early Bird is over half gone (over 400 folks in for the single EB already)
Me and my club mates have jumped in early! Got myself x3 set.
to be fair If there were no early birds I would have still jumped in at 160.00USD as additional 6by4s are discounted. Price is still pretty sweet at that level.
Glad they did the early birds though, treated myself with the tray deal and scenery . Awesome KS. Keep it up G&G
judgedoug wrote: It looks like the KSEB backers are getting it probably "at-cost" or slightly above it, whereas the normal price is a small discount over retail.
So what is normal retail looking like then, 200 bucks?
I would consider some of those 'town' pieces if maybe there was a grid on them or a 1" grid pattern visually available.
I also would like to see 1" dungeon tile which could then have walls put on it.
I dunno, I will have to see if these are usable for what I need. I have some of the other ones coming which seem pretty good for what I need but these are cheap which may be good for 'filler' tiles.
so saving of 15-25GBP on MSRP for the initial core price, 30-45GBP if you add a second one, 55GBP for a third and so forth.
WOW, yeah... I don't even know what to say about that... That's a huge difference between this "kickstarter price" and the retail price. That officially puts them out of my price range. So much for the $100 dollar 6x4 boards that were initially announced for this thread.
All the more reason to get one in the kickstarter campaign, for those who can. If you can't no worries, but I agree that it may be out of your price range later. So jump now if you can (or ask for it for Christmas, since this ends then ).
There are enough early birds to get in early and get it at a great deal .
More than half the EB allocation gone less than 72 hours, amazing. Some Convention die hards attendees (champions) are kitting their cons out with some cool Battle Boards to on the core price .
Thank you ... it's been crazy amazing thus far... 2nd level Stretch goal close to be unlocked
Automatically Appended Next Post: what Ritides said
RiTides wrote: All the more reason to get one in the kickstarter campaign, for those who can. If you can't no worries, but I agree that it may be out of your price range later. So jump now if you can (or ask for it for Christmas, since this ends then ).
If DZC was bigger at my store, I'd go in for one of the boards with some of the guys at my store. Unfortunately, this product was being touted as a $100USD 6x4 board, so even if I missed the kickstarter I wouldn't feel too bad about missing out on it because 100 dollars at some point down the road isn't terrible for a pre-made board, but 200 bucks puts it firmly out of the impulse buy range.
Which is more than the advertised "$100USD" that showed up on facebook. I understand that reality sets in and costs are more than expected, but you could have warned people about this before the kickstarter.
MSRP is what people will be buying these at beyond the kickstarter, so for those of us without the cash to dump on it now, it's a bit of a kick in the balls, especially now that many of the early birds have dried up.
Edit: The MSRP talk was added to this post instead of replying directly to GnG's post because I've been accused of flooding this thread multiple times and that it could be considered spam.
That's MSRP. Not KS price. 110GBP is less than 200USD (175.00USD approx) and 2000 available, at the end of the day even at the MSRP approx prices we do not know anyone else who does 6 by 4 at a better price than that. . Also we stated an apprix MSRP price weeks ago...
It's at 62.00GBP less than 100USD!! at the moment. We think those who back/invest in us early deserve awesome rewards and also enough chance for many to get it. Because of this tooling is paid for and we are funded.
errrr we posted the EB rewards well in advance... which are all limited...
But we reiterate Ritides last statement .
It been crazy good, thanks you guys here who have backed us!! much respect.
The stonework in the medieval village's streets look very smooth, which makes the whole set look off. Would it be possible to 'rough' those up so they're less uniform?
edit: Also, any chance some brushes get added as extras? I've heard great things about them.
decker_cky wrote: The stonework in the medieval village's streets look very smooth, which makes the whole set look off. Would it be possible to 'rough' those up so they're less uniform?
edit: Also, any chance some brushes get added as extras? I've heard great things about them.
I'd like them to remain smooth so I can use regiment trays on them. I like the function over fashion aspect of these boards.
decker_cky wrote: The stonework in the medieval village's streets look very smooth, which makes the whole set look off. Would it be possible to 'rough' those up so they're less uniform?
edit: Also, any chance some brushes get added as extras? I've heard great things about them.
I'd like them to remain smooth so I can use regiment trays on them. I like the function over fashion aspect of these boards.
How about they change them so it actually looks like brickwork?
I'm fine with it being smooth on the top level, but that pattern is jarring because it looks so unnatural when you compare it to actual brickwork.
decker_cky wrote: The stonework in the medieval village's streets look very smooth, which makes the whole set look off. Would it be possible to 'rough' those up so they're less uniform?
edit: Also, any chance some brushes get added as extras? I've heard great things about them.
I'd like them to remain smooth so I can use regiment trays on them. I like the function over fashion aspect of these boards.
Doesn't need to be really rough...just more irregular. Just add a little texture to the stonework - it shouldn't affect movement trays at all.
I think the Anima Wars designs would look cooler if the edges / curbs of the roads weren't so razor straight, as was pointed out earlier, since it's hard to have a cobble road with such a straight border! And that could actually be adjusted without needing to vary heights / add texture, which I'm not sure is possible here. So, something to consider
Also, pic of the 5th Anime Wars board that was unlocked is shown in the update (will paste below). The second pic is color coded to indicate the height of features. Looks great, I'm definitely in for this one and the DzC one!
Also, 600 backers and second stretch goal is down, next one is the fifth DzC board design
Nabbed (is it still 'nabbed' when there are so many and they're still available?) an Early Bird, but unconvinced really, I don't really see myself using any of the designs regularly enough to warrant the cost.
Are there pics of the 28mm city tiles yet? That's probably my most likely option, but a description of 'like DzC but wider' isn't good enough.
I am astonished that they didn't include some kind of generic board as part of their initial offering, you'd think that would drag in all sorts of people.
Slinky wrote: I am astonished that they didn't include some kind of generic board as part of their initial offering, you'd think that would drag in all sorts of people.
they did that the first time they ran their battle boards kickstarter and it didn't fund. (in fact, people asked for non-generic designs)
Slinky wrote: I find that surprising, but there you go - I am still in for 2 of these anyway
i think that's why there's so many tie-ins (hawk/dzc, anima, etc)
but i honestly like these a lot more than their original boards. i already have generic green and grey and desert mats... i want some sci fi stuff and some medieval stuff!
Agreed, judgedoug. The only one I wish was more generic is the hellscape, just a scarred and broken landscape would have been preferable, I think.
But I really like the Anime Wars board, obviously, and the DzC one has been fantastic for me just using paper tiles- will be awesome to have it in hard plastic, it's a great design.
I am not getting past the pledge page. I put in my card details and it just goes to the top of the page - tried it with two cards and both are good. Am I the only one having issues?
Mmmh, I was just booking in my place but it looks like there is no need after all. Despite promise a plain generic board suitable for historical and, well, any game really that wasn't a stretch goal I am not seeing it - unless I am just missing it.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: That sounds like maybe you're missing out some bit of info it wants (or you've given something in a format it doesn't recognise)
have a careful look to see if this is the case
(the UK site only supports visa, mastercard and american express not the full range that amazon payment takes...... are your cards ok?)
I have triple checked everything. Both cards are definitely OK. I wonder if there is a block on international usage - that has caused issues in the past. Thx for the input.
@fullheadofhair, you may need to contact your card issuer sir. Might be a security check and it's been locked. Thank you for your intent to pledge
Some question we cannot confirm yet here. But when we can we will. Promise.
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Riquende wrote: Nabbed (is it still 'nabbed' when there are so many and they're still available?) an Early Bird, but unconvinced really, I don't really see myself using any of the designs regularly enough to warrant the cost.
Are there pics of the 28mm city tiles yet? That's probably my most likely option, but a description of 'like DzC but wider' isn't good enough.
Should be released in a week or so. For road width check the Anima board. The depth will be 3mm as opposed to 1mm for the 10mm scale version
How far behind are you on website queries at the moment? I sent a message trying to give you more money, still waiting on response.
(Not being funny, only sent it yesterday afternoon, just as you're here, and I'm a little twitchy as stocks are low)
Automatically Appended Next Post: That's either an amazingly swift response or the most amazing coincidence I've encountered for some time, either way, thanks!
How far behind are you on website queries at the moment? I sent a message trying to give you more money, still waiting on response.
(Not being funny, only sent it yesterday afternoon, just as you're here, and I'm a little twitchy as stocks are low)
Automatically Appended Next Post: That's either an amazingly swift response or the most amazing coincidence I've encountered for some time, either way, thanks!
Can you PM me so I can get the webstore team to look into it sir. sorry since the KS we have another 423 orders on top of everything before that. So we are hiring more staff this week so maintain delivery
decker_cky wrote: The stonework in the medieval village's streets look very smooth, which makes the whole set look off. Would it be possible to 'rough' those up so they're less uniform?
edit: Also, any chance some brushes get added as extras? I've heard great things about them.
Our brush line will not be part of the KS. It is now in the general public release domain. Once all pre orders per product have been dispatched normal delivery times will resume. Thank for you the sentiment though . Although it is a sure money maker by doing it, it is not something we will do.
The reason for this is that our Brush lines will be shipped to stores soon and distributors and are available on our webstore . The KS for brushes and the backers helped us make it happen and bring new products to market like Masters Hybrid brush Series and Hobby Gears Paint Rack which was the result of the success of after KS and also the creation of our webstore. If you do want to purchase our brushes and brush care products please go to www.gamesandgears.co.uk. thanks!
The same strategy for our Battle Boards KS, re-invest grow and bring more products to market, which has only been possible with the amazing community support, so thank you and we will keep trying to give back in offering great prices and good quality products. Each line has to stand by itself and grow, and with your help we can do this.
azreal13 wrote: Any chance of the paint racks making it out the door before the KS rises up and swallows you until Christmas?
Hobby Gears Racks should be finished by the end of next week (mass production). Then packing/handling and sending to our warehouses in the USA, Canada & UK then dispatched to you. Estimated time of dispatch end of November. But we hope a delightful surprise if we can do it mid November.
Thanks, what Azreal13 posted. We are nearly done and the custom built shipping box is nearly done too. So end of November for dispatch. (If we can do it sooner we will, but it's on time)
I assume those clips stop the squares from moving horizontally or would they also stop them from moving vertically too?
For example, If my table was 5'6" x 3'6", could I reasonable expect the board to stay together? And could I expect the trays to stay attached to the board if it hangs over the edge?
That is a design feature of the board, it is somewhat buried in the thread, but GnG have given assurances that it can support even quite heavy minis positioned on an overhang.
azreal13 wrote: That is a design feature of the board, it is somewhat buried in the thread, but GnG have given assurances that it can support even quite heavy minis positioned on an overhang.
Excellent, thanks azreal. Time to finally sign up for kickstarter.
. It's good times. Time allowing we should do videos,. take it to the public and a lot more. We are working around the clock here and enjoying it. There are some things we cannot disclose that We would love to until we have 100% confirmation. Once you do see the Hellscape boards in their entirety there are the most intricately detailed boards done. But we (as in the public) have only seen the teaser pics. There should be a version of it done in two colors. So bear with us.
. Whether we will do an exclusive themed set for the board we cannot confirm! ;P but you heard it here first. But also not there is some awesome terrain already available in the market from some really cool companies. We want 
as is. Gamers can quickly paint of over if they want a change or ink it. Its pretty easy to do and does not take that much time.
my mates and I are already excited about playing X-Wing, inifinity and 
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