@reecius you weren't lying those tables look awesome! Love the megamats and that LOS blocking terrain . Good luck to everyone and I look forward to seeing the results.
kronk wrote: Good luck, peeps! Post pictures of armies and stuff.
There's a pink "bedazzled" elder army here... Pretty creative. I'll try to get some pics for y'all. Frankie and reecius fething nailed it guys!
That's Alex Fennell (aka Everliving here Dhaka). He's a super good player and GT winner. So far he's 3-0 after day 1 and is running seer council deodar.
Well just left the LVO after getting worked pretty good. Last I saw on the top table was a IG with Inquisition army using 9 Thudd Guns, 3 Sabr Platforms and Coteaz all on a Skyshield.
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Kemp wrote: Leaders after day two of the LVO (Updated)
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Please correct me if I am wrong though.
That is based on total score. Top 8 is competitive only. They are:
Gareth Hunt
Eric Hoerger
Adam Tricola
Chris Morris
Alex Fennell
Justin Adams
Alan Bajramovic
Nick Rose
There was a scoring change that was made that swapped Justin Adams in. The leaderboard will be republished to reflect the change.
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Please correct me if I am wrong though.
But... Tau are cheesy... where are they? The Internet can not be wrong about this!
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Please correct me if I am wrong though.
But... Tau are cheesy... where are they? The Internet can not be wrong about this!
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Please correct me if I am wrong though.
But... Tau are cheesy... where are they? The Internet can not be wrong about this!
Not as cheesy as Forge World apparently...
This is so true I want to cry. Was the R'varna thingy allowed, and with the old rules or new? Three of those is almost an auto win.
The R'varna is still under experimental rules so was not allowed. I think Israel was the highest Tau player but it appears he wasn't in the top 8 since his awesome painting score got him up tree under the initial posting but his battle points wasn't there.
Kemp wrote: Leaders after day two of the LVO (Updated)
First Place: Gareth Hunt with IG/Inquisition
Second Place: Eric Hoerger with Space Marines/Space Marines
Third Place: Alexander Fennell with Eldar/DE Fourth Place: Adam Tricola with Eldar/DE Fifth Place : Christopher Morris with Necrons/Chaos Space Marines
Sixth Place: Justin Adams with Chaos Space Marines/Daemons
Seventh Place: Israel Sanchez
Eight Place: Nick Rose with Eldar
Please correct me if I am wrong though.
That is based on total score. Top 8 is competitive only. They are:
Gareth Hunt
Eric Hoerger
Adam Tricola
Chris Morris
Alex Fennell
Justin Adams
Alan Bajramovic
Nick Rose
There was a scoring change that was made that swapped Justin Adams in. The leaderboard will be republished to reflect the change.
I think the total score is just as if not more important then competitive only IMHO. With the current state of 6th I see the whole hobby as much more important then the comp only of the past. Just my feelings on it.
I agree that the total score should count as well as the competitive score but I know that FLG is more about the player's abilities to play over how well someone can model/paint. I'm sure the awards for the best players in each army went to the people with the best combined score and the overall winner will be just competitive score only.
@ thread:
The number of Tau armies were kinda low in number compared to waaay more space elves. That might have a slight bearing on why no Tau were in the Top 8.
Not-so-oddly, I didn't get to play against any elvish armies, but that might be because I was in the kiddee pool, anchoring it practically, so there's that. However, the Wooden Spoon (Axe) went to a Tau/SM player (at the end of yesterday's 'regular' rounds).
Is that necron list of Morris legal ? I thought dark harvest necron warrior troops had to be 10 warriors or more ??
Dark Harvest lists do require 10 warriors.
However, perhaps Frontline allowed him to just take Kutlakh as an HQ, and just not the Dark Harvest list.
There's only two rules regarding taking FW at the LVO
Frontline Gaming wrote:Forge World units will be allowed so long as they are neither a Super Heavy nor Gargantuan Creature. The most recent version of the rules must be used. This means not just the “40K Approved” units, but any that do not fall within the above restrictions.
Forge World Army Lists will not be allowed. Experimental rules are not allowed.
As far as I know Forgeworld Army lists are not allowed however if that Necron HQ is listed by himself outside of the army list then he's fair game. I don't own any of the Imperial Armour books so I can't verify for sure.
y0disisray wrote: As far as I know Forgeworld Army lists are not allowed however if that Necron HQ is listed by himself outside of the army list then he's fair game. I don't own any of the Imperial Armour books so I can't verify for sure.
Kulakh does not have any proviso to be taken outside of a Dark Harvest army, and so ishould not be allowed in the tournament per the listed rules.
Forge World units will be allowed so long as they are neither a Super Heavy nor Gargantuan Creature. The most recent version of the rules must be used. This means not just the “40K Approved” units, but any that do not fall within the above restrictions.
I don't know if the LVO had a list of 'allowed IA units' and if not, this kind of mistake can easily happen.
To absolutely nobodys surprise the elder take it all!
Did they implement the +2 best reroll you can get is +4 for invun saves, or was that another tourney. Seems like it dident slow down jetseer one bit. Or am I wrong and without that rule the top 8 would have been solid jetseer.
They should have enforced it as it was in the tournement packet. Congrats to the winner! I did get a chance to see that pink Eldar army with all the daisies and bedazzled stones it was neat.
Orock wrote: To absolutely nobodys surprise the elder take it all!
Did they implement the +2 best reroll you can get is +4 for invun saves, or was that another tourney. Seems like it dident slow down jetseer one bit. Or am I wrong and without that rule the top 8 would have been solid jetseer.
Yes, they did. But I expect that pre-tournament, most people would have bet on Tau having a slight edge on Eldar. Eldar certainly aren't a huge upset, though, but Tau not being in the top 8 at all is surprising, I think.
Orock wrote: To absolutely nobodys surprise the elder take it all!
Did they implement the +2 best reroll you can get is +4 for invun saves, or was that another tourney. Seems like it dident slow down jetseer one bit. Or am I wrong and without that rule the top 8 would have been solid jetseer.
Yes, they did. But I expect that pre-tournament, most people would have bet on Tau having a slight edge on Eldar. Eldar certainly aren't a huge upset, though, but Tau not being in the top 8 at all is surprising, I think.
I chaulk it up to grav guns pooping on them far more than elder tanks or rerollable 2+ Personally I have taken out 2 riptides on turn one with my scars. That is pretty demoralizing for the tau player. Of course when you remember to kill all the markerlights first, everything else falls in to place.
Eldar are extremely strong. They can shoot well, they have a lot of speed, and are resilient. I am glad to see that Eric made it to the final table. Do we see Space Marines in the talks of top tier army now? At least white scars with bikes.
Kemp wrote: Eldar are extremely strong. They can shoot well, they have a lot of speed, and are resilient. I am glad to see that Eric made it to the final table. Do we see Space Marines in the talks of top tier army now? At least white scars with bikes.
Not sure; Eric I believe got a lot of mileage out of using the FW Red Hunters as an integral component of his army. I don't know how much they came into play throughout the tournament, but I know in local playtesting before he went they were pretty critical to the list's functionality.
I think the many different looks and buffs available to marines via the FW chapters and characters and special rules plug-and-play definitely ups their game. Doesn't mean grav guns and white scars bikers aren't a plenty scary army on their own, though, esp. in the hands of a bike vet like Eric.
Eldar and the Jetseer and council and all that is very good list, yes..
But I'm sure the player himself, Alex who won might of also had a little something to do with it, i mean possibly
While Alex's army certainly had all the tools needed to take the top spot, I personally think he could have won it all with Orks if he had chose to do so (and painted them pink). I think it was on game 4 on day 2 that I saw him playing a Chaos Space Marine player and whatever turn it was the Chaos player had a couple Helldrakes and multiple bad looking units prowling the board. Alex had a handful of pink units hunkered down. I thought to myself 'looks like Alex is in trouble now'. A few minutes later I look at his table again and the Chaos player has almost nothing left on the table. Congrats Alex!
You get the whole she-bang: rankings, points, armies/allies. When you click on each player's name, it gives you another window of who was played, and the stats on that. Torrent of Fire is cool.
muwhe wrote: But looking at the final 8 lists, Forge world looks under represented.
I'd say I had seen far more FW at the BAO last year. Here, there were few FW items that I saw as I walked about, thudd guns, sabres, IG stuff.
muwhe wrote: I am not sure what the overall mix was for the event as a whole.
But looking at the final 8 lists, Forge world looks under represented.
It is hard to say. Just by looking at an army from a distance it is hard to tell if they are using FW or not. There were 3 FW artillery armies around the top tables including Garreth who was camped out on table #1 until Adam Tricola beat him with his beast star. There was a Eldar hornet army to make it to table #5 just before the final 8 but I guess he lost his last game. Other armies like SM you can't tell if they are useing FW or not so who knows.
Maybe they will have a poll of the attendees afterward to see what they thought , asking them if they want 0 FW, 0-1 FW, or unlimited FW.
Tsilber wrote: Eldar and the Jetseer and council and all that is very good list, yes..
But I'm sure the player himself, Alex who won might of also had a little something to do with it, i mean possibly
All the final four and really the top 8 were known regulars on the circuit from the past couple of years dating back well into 5th ed ... Alex is top tier, as were any of the others who could have taken top prize; he also did it with a "nerfed" council via the 2+/4+ rule, so there's that to boot.
In terms of FW, I do know there was Gareth's crazy thuddspam/sabre on a skyshield list in the final 8, as well as Eric who made top table using the FW Red Hunters allied to White Scars to get their benefits.
Kinda seems like you saw what would be expected - FW units added in to power up armies further where such was possible; Eldar don't have access to very many uber buffs from FW (esp. b/c one of their best in FA competes with Swooping Hawks, which are critical for objective-based tourney missions), so you wouldn't see much FW in Eldar armies; same is really true for CSD and to a lesser extent, Tau. Better way to look at it would be to glance at the best performing Imperial armies and see how many did so w/out support from FW (and the first two examples - Eric's SM and Gareth's IG from the top 8 - both used FW heavily in their lists).
I keep hearing really awesome things about how well LVO went ... looking forward to a bunch of feedback making me more jelly and more committed to making it next year. The megamats also looked pretty radical all laid out all over the place.
Kemp wrote: Eldar are extremely strong. They can shoot well, they have a lot of speed, and are resilient. I am glad to see that Eric made it to the final table. Do we see Space Marines in the talks of top tier army now? At least white scars with bikes.
Not sure; Eric I believe got a lot of mileage out of using the FW Red Hunters as an integral component of his army. I don't know how much they came into play throughout the tournament, but I know in local playtesting before he went they were pretty critical to the list's functionality.
I think the many different looks and buffs available to marines via the FW chapters and characters and special rules plug-and-play definitely ups their game. Doesn't mean grav guns and white scars bikers aren't a plenty scary army on their own, though, esp. in the hands of a bike vet like Eric.
This is something that intrigued me. I had considered similar allies in my White Scars list, but decided against them. In his list, it confuses me further. Two of the units (the Scouts and TFC) don't really benefit that much from the RH. The Chapter Master obviously likes Hatred/Counterattack, but for a turn neither of those seem that impressive. The Storm Talon gets... Monster Hunter? Tank Hunter? I can see the latter being useful against enemy fliers for a turn. Giving Skyfire/Monster Hunter to a Biker squad for a turn is obviously useful. I haven't played with the rules yet so maybe I'm just underestimating their impact, and obviously the list works.
Commander_Farsight wrote: Hey, so where could I find who actually won LVO? Just curious as to what some of the outcomes were, along with what armies were run etc. Thanks!
Did you not read any of the previous posts in the thread?
I really wish I could have attended! Gadgetstar doesn't do great at 1750 though.
Tsilber wrote: Eldar and the Jetseer and council and all that is very good list, yes..
But I'm sure the player himself, Alex who won might of also had a little something to do with it, i mean possibly
All the final four and really the top 8 were known regulars on the circuit from the past couple of years dating back well into 5th ed ... Alex is top tier, as were any of the others who could have taken top prize; he also did it with a "nerfed" council via the 2+/4+ rule, so there's that to boot.
In terms of FW, I do know there was Gareth's crazy thuddspam/sabre on a skyshield list in the final 8, as well as Eric who made top table using the FW Red Hunters allied to White Scars to get their benefits.
Kinda seems like you saw what would be expected - FW units added in to power up armies further where such was possible; Eldar don't have access to very many uber buffs from FW (esp. b/c one of their best in FA competes with Swooping Hawks, which are critical for objective-based tourney missions), so you wouldn't see much FW in Eldar armies; same is really true for CSD and to a lesser extent, Tau. Better way to look at it would be to glance at the best performing Imperial armies and see how many did so w/out support from FW (and the first two examples - Eric's SM and Gareth's IG from the top 8 - both used FW heavily in their lists).
I keep hearing really awesome things about how well LVO went ... looking forward to a bunch of feedback making me more jelly and more committed to making it next year. The megamats also looked pretty radical all laid out all over the place.
IDK, considering there were literally zero swooping hawks in all the eldar lists. As well as empty FA slots I am inclined to disagree. Especially when a hornet list performed so well according to blackmoor. Sounds like plenty of opportunity there for eldar if they wanted, they just don't need it currently. I think if FW is helping the struggling imperial lists perform on the same level then it's a good thing.
Not trying to be contrary or negative just looking at it from a different perspective I suppose.
Tsilber wrote: Eldar and the Jetseer and council and all that is very good list, yes..
But I'm sure the player himself, Alex who won might of also had a little something to do with it, i mean possibly
All the final four and really the top 8 were known regulars on the circuit from the past couple of years dating back well into 5th ed ... Alex is top tier, as were any of the others who could have taken top prize; he also did it with a "nerfed" council via the 2+/4+ rule, so there's that to boot.
In terms of FW, I do know there was Gareth's crazy thuddspam/sabre on a skyshield list in the final 8, as well as Eric who made top table using the FW Red Hunters allied to White Scars to get their benefits.
Kinda seems like you saw what would be expected - FW units added in to power up armies further where such was possible; Eldar don't have access to very many uber buffs from FW (esp. b/c one of their best in FA competes with Swooping Hawks, which are critical for objective-based tourney missions), so you wouldn't see much FW in Eldar armies; same is really true for CSD and to a lesser extent, Tau. Better way to look at it would be to glance at the best performing Imperial armies and see how many did so w/out support from FW (and the first two examples - Eric's SM and Gareth's IG from the top 8 - both used FW heavily in their lists).
I keep hearing really awesome things about how well LVO went ... looking forward to a bunch of feedback making me more jelly and more committed to making it next year. The megamats also looked pretty radical all laid out all over the place.
IDK, considering there were literally zero swooping hawks in all the eldar lists. As well as empty FA slots I am inclined to disagree. Especially when a hornet list performed so well according to blackmoor. Sounds like plenty of opportunity there for eldar if they wanted, they just don't need it currently. I think if FW is helping the struggling imperial lists perform on the same level then it's a good thing.
Not trying to be contrary or negative just looking at it from a different perspective I suppose.
I think you're just sharing how you see it - no offense or negativity taken. Swooping Hawks are nonetheless a fairly common and critical component to a solid GT Eldar build (inclusive of council lists). Mileage always varies, especially among top tier players like Alex.
In re: FW, that is certainly a good point; I wasn't really sharing an opinion on whether it was good or bad. I just think you tend to see more FW being used to power up armies that need it, and not just b/c of the cool factor or to let people play with their toys. I don't say that's bad, either. Just would help explain in a contemporary meta full of *relatively* FW-not-required power codices like CSD, Eldar and Tau, it shouldn't be surprising that you don't see much of it outside the Imperial armies, when the primary use seems to be power and not cool factor.
I want to give a HUGE shoutout to Reece, Frankie, and all the staff from frontline gaming for putting on a fantastic, very smooth tournament. Everything ran on schedule, and the schedule was none too onerous. Terrain was fantastic for an event of it's size, especially scaling up from BAO. If you havent seen the Frontline Gaming/Tablewar mats, you must check them out. They were a dream to play on and are absolutely gorgeous. Also, Torrent of Fire had excellent coverage on the event, both in communicating quick pairings to everyone in hall and allowing all my east coast buddies to follow along on the round by round action.
Finally, many thanks to all of my opponents. I had an absolute blast with Alex Fennell, who deservingly won the event and took me out in the final round. Alex, I've got my Dark Angel's codex right here looking at ways to put fearless on my big bike unit. It was also a blast to play against Dan Hesselberg of Sweden's ETC team, and friends Adam Tricola and Jim Yeh.
As for the list and FW, while I had the Red Hunters chapter tactic, I only actually used it in 4 of my games. It was really in the list to cover my weakness against flyers, and I was able to down a heldrake with my skyfiring multi-melta in the 6th round. While I would probably run it again given the opportunity, that was the only game where the chapter tactic had any decent effect on the game. As a whole, there was strikingly little forgeworld at the event. In my eight games, I played against exactly one unit from FW, and that was Sevrin Loth who pretty much acts as a librarian who can choose his powers. It was nifty, but nothing gamebreaking.
I'd be interested in your take on people's reactions to you running Tyranids and losing. I hope you'll post some battle reports or at least some notes and thoughts.
Blackmoor did awesome! He drew against a nasty Mechdar list with 2 wraith knights and even beat a Taudar list! He finally lost on game #5 against the eventual champion, Alex Fennel and his wave serpent seer council Deldar.
Had a great time, some great games, and some good times.
What were the results from rounds 6 and 7? I only saw round 8 up on torrent of fire.
I had a great game with Alan Bajramovic on round 5 when he knocked me out of the running for top 8. His list may not look that mean on paper, but his beast pack is the perfect counter for IG artillery when their 4+ is rerollable, and he makes excellent use of Eldar speed with the LOS blocking terrain.
I had a great time, and I'm looking forward to next year.
Commander_Farsight wrote: Hey, so where could I find who actually won LVO? Just curious as to what some of the outcomes were, along with what armies were run etc. Thanks!
Did you not read any of the previous posts in the thread?
I really wish I could have attended! Gadgetstar doesn't do great at 1750 though.
Would love to see the batreps.
I haven't been able to find anything on winners of each round yet... I'll check again though. Go jy2!
Commander_Farsight wrote: I'm really surprised that no Tau topped... There was a lot of Eldar, but I think that Tau would have done better... What do you think?
Too many Tau players means everyone has beating Tau on their mind.
Reece, Frankie, and crew... The LVO was an incredibly awesome event. You nailed it. Every aspect, from events, rules, terrain, schedule, prize support... all of it. I was very impressed. No doubt the most fun my Wife and I have had at a 40k event. And, quite possibly the most fun that could be had in Vegas this last weekend.
As a guy who finished firmly in the middle of the pack. I can say that I had five great games of 40k against five fun and well matched opponents. All of my games were battles, coming down to the final turn to see who won. Two games being so close that they were decided by a single dice roll.
We are already looking forward to next year. Thanks again Frontline Gaming for all the hard work put into making this happen for us
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Had a fantastic time at the LVO cannot wait till next year!
I know the lists have been posted already, but I took the time to PDF and Army Builder them for everyone, also I took a ton of pictures from the event. Here is the link to the blog for them.
Just got back tot he Bay. Wow, I am wiped out. Tired doesn't even begin to describe it.
THE LVO WAS SO MUCH FUN!
We had a blast and it's crazy how fast it went by.
Ah ma, that was great, the hard work paid off and the evnt was a blast.
I am wiped, I need to sleep. I have about a million emails and PMs, I will get to them tomorrow or Wednesday. Thanks to everyone that came and had fun! More information to come tomorrow.
Reecius wrote: Just got back tot he Bay. Wow, I am wiped out. Tired doesn't even begin to describe it.
THE LVO WAS SO MUCH FUN!
We had a blast and it's crazy how fast it went by.
Ah ma, that was great, the hard work paid off and the evnt was a blast.
I am wiped, I need to sleep. I have about a million emails and PMs, I will get to them tomorrow or Wednesday. Thanks to everyone that came and had fun! More information to come tomorrow.
"Blah, blah, blah." It's PST 10:02 PM. Go to bed.
-Casey
Reece thank you and Frankie for a very well ran tournament. Every one of my games came to a natural conclusion which is a huge plus. I plan on attending again in the future.
Thanks to all who posted all the photos. It's one of those events I'd like to get out to the west coast at least once for the experience. Great looking armies and tables (can't wait to get my Mega Mat!)
y0disisray wrote: As far as I know Forgeworld Army lists are not allowed however if that Necron HQ is listed by himself outside of the army list then he's fair game. I don't own any of the Imperial Armour books so I can't verify for sure.
Kulakh does not have any proviso to be taken outside of a Dark Harvest army, and so ishould not be allowed in the tournament per the listed rules.
Forge World units will be allowed so long as they are neither a Super Heavy nor Gargantuan Creature. The most recent version of the rules must be used. This means not just the “40K Approved” units, but any that do not fall within the above restrictions.
I don't know if the LVO had a list of 'allowed IA units' and if not, this kind of mistake can easily happen.
Something good to take as a lesson learned for next year, looks like.
Had a fantastic time at the LVO cannot wait till next year!
I know the lists have been posted already, but I took the time to PDF and Army Builder them for everyone, also I took a ton of pictures from the event. Here is the link to the blog for them.
I had a fantastic time, Reece and co put on a great event and I look forward to attending for as many years as possible. This is certainly one of the best run an most fun tournaments I have been to. Winning a texas hold-em tournament at the hotel on Thursday and then being lucky enough to win Renaissance Man and Tournament Champion on Saturday and Sunday made for a surreal weekend for me.
Despite all the hate over on Bols (note to self, stop reading the thread there!) I had to work hard in every game and a couple of key dice rolls in the quarter final and again in the final made all the difference.
I'm looking forward to catching up with everyone in Chicago in April
The Everliving wrote: I had a fantastic time, Reece and co put on a great event and I look forward to attending for as many years as possible. This is certainly one of the best run an most fun tournaments I have been to. Winning a texas hold-em tournament at the hotel on Thursday and then being lucky enough to win Renaissance Man and Tournament Champion on Saturday and Sunday made for a surreal weekend for me.
Despite all the hate over on Bols (note to self, stop reading the thread there!) I had to work hard in every game and a couple of key dice rolls in the quarter final and again in the final made all the difference.
I'm looking forward to catching up with everyone in Chicago in April
Congratulations again Alex.
I hope you enjoyed beating up on my poor Tyranid army that has the worst codex out there.
Why yes, I did enjoy beating up on the worst codex out there. I have no idea how you managed to go undefeated up to that point
I'm just still getting revenge on you for the first time we ever played at Adepticon when all your stupid daemon units scattered close enough to my army to charge.
The Everliving wrote: I had a fantastic time, Reece and co put on a great event and I look forward to attending for as many years as possible. This is certainly one of the best run an most fun tournaments I have been to. Winning a texas hold-em tournament at the hotel on Thursday and then being lucky enough to win Renaissance Man and Tournament Champion on Saturday and Sunday made for a surreal weekend for me.
Despite all the hate over on Bols (note to self, stop reading the thread there!) I had to work hard in every game and a couple of key dice rolls in the quarter final and again in the final made all the difference.
I'm looking forward to catching up with everyone in Chicago in April
Yeah, don't bother reading that....
Can't wait to catch up in April.
Already added a fearless DA libby into my bike list for Adepticon....
Why yes, I did enjoy beating up on the worst codex out there. I have no idea how you managed to go undefeated up to that point
I'm just still getting revenge on you for the first time we ever played at Adepticon when all your stupid daemon units scattered close enough to my army to charge.
You made up for that bad luck the last time we played and Draigo failed his morale roll and you walked him off the table.
Reecius wrote: Just got back tot he Bay. Wow, I am wiped out. Tired doesn't even begin to describe it.
THE LVO WAS SO MUCH FUN!
We had a blast and it's crazy how fast it went by.
Ah ma, that was great, the hard work paid off and the evnt was a blast.
I am wiped, I need to sleep. I have about a million emails and PMs, I will get to them tomorrow or Wednesday. Thanks to everyone that came and had fun! More information to come tomorrow.
Now that you've had sleep, I'd like to congratulate on your patience and perseverance. I'd have gone ape shitake mushrooms/nuts over many things. Good on you, man.
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Now just be sure to schedule the BAO in June, *after* school is out for the summer.
And I like Bally's. And I liked the barn, too. I have said before, it's not always the place that matters, it's the peeps.
FeindusMaximus wrote: Now that this is over, maybe FLG will make time to get the battle maps dropped off to UPS:(
Yeah, when they said they wouldn't get them out before the LVO, I figured they wouldn't this week either. Not a huge deal but I hope they at least update the KS page with some action shots from the LVO, where they put these to use first.
"Congratulations Alex Fennell for cheesing to victory in the Las Vegas Open, you should be suitably ashamed of yourself "
Maybe if the game he and his compatriots both current and past have produced didn't have glaring balance issues large enough to drive a Land Raider through, such lists wouldn't be possible.
"Congratulations Alex Fennell for cheesing to victory in the Las Vegas Open, you should be suitably ashamed of yourself "
Maybe if the game he and his compatriots both current and past have produced didn't have glaring balance issues large enough to drive a Land Raider through, such lists wouldn't be possible.
Or he's giving some good natured ribbing to a fellow englishman.
Besides, Chambers left GW at the end of 3rd edition 40k, over 10 years ago. If you're going to blame someone for the state of the game, blame Jervis's vision and Phil Kelly's writing.
Taking things back on topic, congratulations to everyone who enjoyed themselves, did well, put the event on, or any combination of the three. Glad to see that FLG was able to turn their big gamble into a big win.
Andy and I have known each other for years. His Facebook post (which has a bazillion comments) is his way of saying well done, and I take it in the spirit it was intended
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everybody I met at the LVO and to the organizers. This was my first major tournament and I had an absolute blast.
Particular thanks to the pleasant Canadian chap who was kind enough to fill in my results form at the end of our beerhammer match when I was too drunk to fill it in correctly.
I really have to say I was extremely impressed with how friendly and happy everybody was, I didn't have a single un-enjoyable game. I even made it to table 12 at one point and was obviously completely out of my league, getting tabled twice in a row.
The recent nerdrage on the internets has really opened my eyes to how detached from reality some of our internet compatriots are. I shall be ignoring the hysteria in future.
I have already bought my ticket to the NOVA and can't wait to do it again.
3. The Battle Brothers rule and rerollable invulnerable saves need to be fixed to restore sanity to 40K.
4. Always split Aces and Eights.
5. You can have fun in Vegas even if you don't drink.
6. It is possible for an army with no skyfire to shoot down 5 of your fliers in 1 turn.
(corollary: when a Swede offers to let you use his dice, DO IT!)
have you guys ever considered doing a retro tournament, say 5th ed or earlier. Id be down, just cant stand what 6th brought in, flyer rules, escalation, stronghold assault, allies. Not saying people don't have fun with them, but its not even remotely close to the game I started playing back when 3rd ed launched.
FeindusMaximus wrote: Now that this is over, maybe FLG will make time to get the battle maps dropped off to UPS:(
Lol, you can't exactly just drop 13,000lbs of Gaming Mats off at the local UPS! Haha, it took a semi to get them to our warehouse!
But, Frankie's at the Warehouse now, packing and shipping orders. We should have most of them out this week, international orders next week.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And thanks again to everyone who came and ahd fun and the dozens of folks that said they want to come next year, so cool! We will be in a bigger hall, for sure.
What a fantastic event. Major kudos and thank you's to Frankie, Reece and the rest of the volunteers that made this event possible.
I hear a lot of people talking about how much they want to come back next year, which is great. I do too. My only (half joking) question is, why wait until next year? I know I could use more than one Vegas GT a year :-)
Just want to say what an amazing time I had at LVO. Was my first ever 40k tournament outside my local FLGS and I can’t wait till next year. Tons of great people, hundreds of beautiful looking armies, and lots of flowing alcohol, what more could a man ask for.
If I have any gripe it might have been too good. How else can any other tournament hope to compare to you? Sure they always say the first time is special but how can any other tournament I go to possibly compete? Eating dinner with multiple GT winners. Waaaaghing throughout the streets of Paris from one bar to the next. Walking outside only to have people offer to whisk me away to the nearest strip bar. You have officially spoiled me for all other 40k events I go to now. I hope you are happy.
Panzer1944 wrote: Just want to say what an amazing time I had at LVO. Was my first ever 40k tournament outside my local FLGS and I can’t wait till next year. Tons of great people, hundreds of beautiful looking armies, and lots of flowing alcohol, what more could a man ask for.
If I have any gripe it might have been too good. How else can any other tournament hope to compare to you? Sure they always say the first time is special but how can any other tournament I go to possibly compete? Eating dinner with multiple GT winners. Waaaaghing throughout the streets of Paris from one bar to the next. Walking outside only to have people offer to whisk me away to the nearest strip bar. You have officially spoiled me for all other 40k events I go to now. I hope you are happy.
I have to agree, My army suceeded because of the LOS blocking. making sure they can maneuver for a better chance.
Oh well, I will just bring my 3 riptides to others.
CreepyCrawly wrote: It was also a blast to play against Dan Hesselberg of Sweden's ETC team
Could you give us a recap of the game against Dan? He's a great player and a frequent winner of one of the bigger tournaments in my region.
Dan was playing Tau/SM, basically Buffmander, Shadowsun, 2 Broadside units, 1 Riptide, and then SM allies with Sevrin Loth, 3 Grav Centurions, and some troops. I was running my White Scars/Red Hunters with Chapter Master, Khan, 5 units of bikes (all grav, including one full bike squad), a pair of stormtalons, and a pair of thunderfires, and some scouts.
He got the choice of sides and deployment and chose to go first. Mission was Dawn of War, Crusade and Emperor's Will. He bunches his forces towards his right, in front of two Crusade objectives. I deploy on the far side from him with my large bike squad containing Khan, Chapter Master, and the big bike squad, as well as 2 thunderfires, out of range of everything except the riptide. Everything else outflanks except the scouts, who infiltrate.
At this point, Dan infiltrates his centurions with Shadowsun attached (allowed at LVO) 18" in front of my big bike squad. Dan and I talked afterwards, and in hindsight he should have placed them farther backwards. He had wanted to encourage me to scout my bikes back into range of the broadsides. As it turns out, he confused the fact that units that infiltrate and/or scout cannot assault on the first player turn with the idea that no one can assault on the first player turn. However, instead I opted not to scout and gamble on seizing the initiative.
I rolled a six to seize and pull off an assault on the centurions with my command squad, and proceed to wipe the centurions in two player turns. From there, I manage to slowly grind away his troops while gunning the large bike squad down his throat. We end on turn 4 with me holding 1 crusade and 2 emperor's will objectives and him holding none. I have First blood and line breaker, while he has none.
I actually played against Dan Hesselberg as well, though in the team tournament. Frankly, I'm amazed he was even able to play considering how drunk he was then (he brought his own personal, upchuck bin. Lol.).
Anyways, he and his partner were running Tau + Necrons:
Tau toolbox commander, 2 units of kroots, Riptide, 6 broadsides w/missile drones, Destroyer Lord, 6x wraiths, 3 troops in night scythes and 1 Annihilation Barge.
It was a devastatingly good army and definitely our toughest match of the (Doubles) tournament.
Reecius wrote: OK, we will have the Blackmoor event and the 40K Championships, sounds good =P
I tease, of course.
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Will the blackmoor even just be him sitting in the corner making Rawring Noises with his nids as he grumbles about FW?
Also, I think you guys should totally allow Escalation in the Team Event.
While I am thinking about it, I would like to say that there was a problem with LOS blocking terrain.
Yes, there was often 2 LOS blocking pieces of terrain in the center of the table, but does that really mean anything to Eldar? All they have to do is move to the left or to the right and they can shoot at what they want to. That might be one of the reasons why they did so well at the LVO (and every other tournament).
Gone are the static shooting armies where center blockers would protect you from getting shot. There are no more Devastators in terrain shooting from fixed locations (except for Broadsides which might be one of the reasons Tau did not do so well).
What I would like to see is some LOS blocking terrain in the deployment zones to keep your armies from getting alpha striked off of the table from mobile shooting armies.
6th edition is all about mobile shooting and there was nothing to slow those armies down. In fact look at the top 8 armies, and they all could care less about center LOS blocking terrain. There are lots of Eldar, SM bikes, IG artillery, and Necrons who can maneuver (Or ignore with the IG) around any LOS blockers. .
Terrain isn't the answer to everyones' problems. If you make standard tables with standard terrain set ups then people will build lists to combat that, or they will just do better because their army is good at it.
The LVO had the best terrain set up I have ever played on by a wide margin. In a game like this one the fast and maneuverable armies will always have an advantage, unless we go back to the days of 3 inch max height terrain with only 2 or 3 pieces a table. Or we could go back to 4th when all terrain over size 3 blocked LoS completely no matter the actual size. Something I don't relish. I think the LVO had terrain at just about the best level they could.
Blackmoor wrote: While I am thinking about it, I would like to say that there was a problem with LOS blocking terrain.
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What I would like to see is some LOS blocking terrain in the deployment zones to keep your armies from getting alpha striked off of the table from mobile shooting armies.
Bring a Fortress of Redemption!
Actually, it is an interesting observation. I wonder what the meta at Adepticon, with it's "place your own terrain" rules, will look like. Even the "forests" tend to block LoS completely (as they are roughly 12" deep, with large elements in fixed locations across the base), much less actual ruins.
The LVO had the best terrain set up I have ever played on by a wide margin. In a game like this one the fast and maneuverable armies will always have an advantage, unless we go back to the days of 3 inch max height terrain with only 2 or 3 pieces a table. Or we could go back to 4th when all terrain over size 3 blocked LoS completely no matter the actual size. Something I don't relish. I think the LVO had terrain at just about the best level they could.
The LVO had great terrain (some of the best I have played on in a tournament), but that does not mean that it can't be improved. Yes, fast armies have an advantage in 6th edition, so we should be okay with them having a huge advantage if they go first? Going first is a huge advantage already (first blood) so we should try to minimize it's impact.
Take Tyranids as an example: They start with their FMC on the ground turn #1 and they can be easily killed. LOS blocking terrain in the deployment zone levels the playing field some for them.
Hey, wait a minute...you played Eldar!!! No wonder you don't want it.
The LVO had the best terrain set up I have ever played on by a wide margin. In a game like this one the fast and maneuverable armies will always have an advantage, unless we go back to the days of 3 inch max height terrain with only 2 or 3 pieces a table. Or we could go back to 4th when all terrain over size 3 blocked LoS completely no matter the actual size. Something I don't relish. I think the LVO had terrain at just about the best level they could.
The LVO had great terrain (some of the best I have played on in a tournament), but that does not mean that it can't be improved. Yes, fast armies have an advantage in 6th edition, so we should be okay with them having a huge advantage if they go first? Going first is a huge advantage already (first blood) so we should try to minimize it's impact.
Take Tyranids as an example: They start with their FMC on the ground turn #1 and they can be easily killed. LOS blocking terrain in the deployment zone levels the playing field some for them.
Hey, wait a minute...you played Eldar!!! No wonder you don't want it.
And you played Tyranids so no wonder you do!
Actually I had several games where my deployment zone had good LoS blocking terrain, those were all Hammer/Anvil and the deployment I can never remember the name of where you deploy in corners All my Dawn of War games had little LoS terrain in their deployment zone which I saw as little issue given my army of choice
. Good luck to everyone and I look forward to seeing the results.
bvious "fun troll" is obvious::
sweet
All my Dawn of War games had little