I thought the ogre with a door shield was pretty inspired. I don't know if I'll end up choosing it over that new copper dragon or more Frost Giants, but the design is pretty neat.
Blacksails wrote: Must've missed where it was discussed they were not multi-part. I'm new to this Bones stuff anyways.
It's multipart. Not all Bones miniatures are made of the soft plastic. Some parts are made in a harder plastic.
Victoria Miniatures said "We have already started looking at avoiding any 'embarrassing' barrel issues. The barrel at least will be hard plastic and will probably plug into the body of the gun (which will make it easy to remove for transport). The whole gun will come in several parts and these will be as hard as possible. There is no way I want droopy gun photos out there. "
Victoria Miniatures also said that treads will be an add-on (?) : "Yes, we are looking at doing them as a resin add on, as well as a blast shield and some other accessories."
Ok, help me out with securing a special cost cutting deal here. Shipping Bones to the Uk will be problematic but there is a way around it. Back when I was purchasing vast ammounts of AT-43 from the US back in 2008 I had it sent to a proxy in the US, free postage, who de-packaged them and shipped them on to me. This saved me a lot of volume in shipping as AT-43 was overpackaged, also by removing packaging the goods were legally second hand and an arbitrary value could be attached for customs purposes, and doing this was legal. Sadly I lost contact with this individual.
So I need a volunteer who must be:
1. USA based
2. good Dakka trade track record
3. wants some free stuff
I want to put an order in for over $200 of Bones, maybe more. So far I have pledged $100 and can up that later so I can spread costs.
However fortunately for me, you and legality I don't want everything Bones has to offer. So if i have my pledge rewards shipped to your address instead you can remove pre-agreed items and reship, legally second hand and as its 'incomplete set' at an arbitary low value for customs purposes. I also don't care if everything turns up in a plastic bag tight in a box, breakages are both unlikely and if they do happen its a worthy trade for minimally cost shipped items.
Tracking will be required and all postage costs will be refunded by Paypal or another agreed method.
So what would I want to drop?
So taking the Savage Worlds Chill Out and Eastern Legends, those I don't need so if you would like them you are welcome to them, with my complements. I will amend this when its all over and cross off individual models from an image file of each set pledged for, and might change my mind over some items, nevertheless about 15-20% of the pledges will go including a third of the Stoneskull which I will likely be pledging for. Reducing my pledge helps you and helps me, and if you wont want any of what I leave behind there is always a space in your rubbish bin.
So everything is explained, I get a greatly reduced customs price - though entirely legal means, reduce size and packaging by eliminating junk - though Bones don't weigh much, and you can help me out for free stuff. All it costs you is a bit of hassle to go to the post office with a re-boxed bag of minis, if you have a trade record already on Dakka this will not daunt you.
If you want single items for yourself but don't want to make a full pledge we can also arrange this, the amount extras you want we can reduce from the reshipping cost later, and if it goes slightly over in your favour then its on me.
So PM me if you are interested. Well established Dakka members only please.
It doesnt look big enough, but Bones dont advertise their stuff in common scale.
Thanks for the PM, BobtheInquisitor. However shipping from California to England will be expensive, If anyone can help who lives on the east coast that would more appropriate.
If the third bit of the Mythos expansion has enough win... I think they'll have gotten me. I had a short list of addons already, though I can't justify the cost/storage/waste of getting the core given I have so much left as it is.
Bit the Goat, corsairs, crusaders, frost giants, and now possibly this mythos expansion....
I do like the render for the plant monsters. I kinds want the open one to convert a Alraune for fun. But don't really care for most of the other stuff in the expansion to justify the $50. the mythos stuff on the other hand..... that alter would look great with my stone henge. And you can never have to many mythos models. ... this might turn into a expensive Kickstarter for me...
I might just throw in for all the models I want now and add shipping later since you can do that. I'm in wave 3 anyway.
Not a big fan of that Gug. I like the Pathfinder prepainted one. Didn't care for Cthulhu Wars version either.
The Dark Young will probably push me to buy this expansion if it's big enough. I know I'll want multiples though for my inevitable Deadzone x Cthulhu battles.
I also noticed they put the render up for the Iron Golem from the Stoneskull Castle's expansion.
Their Iron golem kind of turned me off. It looks fine, but isn't my style as much. I wonder how big the Gug is? I think they're a bit scarier when the vertical mount is still on a head, instead of the body splitting but still. If it's at least ogre sized... though they're described as 'giants' in the mythos.
I think the Dark Young + Shub will be enough giant tentacle monsters for my tables.. just. I wonder how Khanjira would stand up to the Goat.
Kind of leery of the size of Tianot, seems almost too big to bother with
Quite honestly I don't know whether to pledge or not. I love the big monsters, and the Sledgehammer, but I still have a bag of badly warped, soft gummy Bones from II that I will likely never ever use.
The only thing I don't greatly regret is Dragons Don't Share.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Quite honestly I don't know whether to pledge or not. I love the big monsters, and the Sledgehammer, but I still have a bag of badly warped, soft gummy Bones from II that I will likely never ever use.
The only thing I don't greatly regret is Dragons Don't Share.
You can fix the warping with hot water. If they're completely unfixable you might send an email to Reaper asking for replacements. You're going to have a few droopy swords and such- that's just a part of the material. Usually a hot water bath can straighten them out.
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Buttery Commissar wrote: Quite honestly I don't know whether to pledge or not. I love the big monsters, and the Sledgehammer, but I still have a bag of badly warped, soft gummy Bones from II that I will likely never ever use.
The only thing I don't greatly regret is Dragons Don't Share.
You can fix the warping with hot water. If they're completely unfixable you might send an email to Reaper asking for replacements. You're going to have a few droopy swords and such- that's just a part of the material. Usually a hot water bath can straighten them out.
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Oh eye, they're not going to be like resin or metals, but some of the textures and such leave me a little down.
I mostly bought into it for big beasties, and all of my bases are twisted and warped on the fatter monsters. I tried hot water but they went back again. My partner's DDS castle won't fit together for similar reasons.
I'm sure it's workable, and I'm sure I'll cheer up and empty my wallet into this anyway.
I had to boil the gak out of my DDS castle bits to get them shaped, but it worked out alright. I was fairly unhappy about how much work it was, but in retrospect it actually wasn't that bad once I figured out how to not burn myself in the process. That took longer than it should have...
Looking forward to that second expansion officially landing. While yes, people can pledge in advance for things they want to see unlock, even with a week(ish) left, 'officially' unlocking often goes a long way in these things. And the next 62k alone will put a lot of value in for those looking to get some Lovecraftian horror up in their games.
The Mythos expansion is looking better and better. I probably will get it in the end. I think I'll pass on the Sledgehammer. Much as I like it, I just don't have any use for it.
I really hope they do a Nyarlethotep or some of the other Elder Gods.
I like the look of the Dwarf King add-on but am worried that the dwarf king himself will not look much cop when made out of Bones. The skeleton lord on the throne from Bones II was a bit disappointing.
Looks like someone changed their mind and freed up a Wave 2 core slot, so I grabbed it. I really like the undead minotaur, and definitely want the Vic artillery.
Not sure why. It's unlikely I'll ever even USE any of this stuff, let alone paint it.
streamdragon wrote: Looks like someone changed their mind and freed up a Wave 2 core slot, so I grabbed it. I really like the undead minotaur, and definitely want the Vic artillery.
Not sure why. It's unlikely I'll ever even USE any of this stuff, let alone paint it.
It's such a good price, you want to have it, "just in case"
I'm actually in the middle of painting up some Bones I minis, at least partially to justify buying more!
Spoiler:
First up, a group of Kobolds. These are neat little models, and while I didn't lavish a ton of time on them, I think a base coat + wash makes them fine for table top use:
Next, a rust monster:
Another classic monster, the dread beholder!
A lizardman and swamp troll:
A better angle on the Swamp Troll:
I've been painting minis for over a decade, but I've never painted a dragon! I picked the the Pathfinder Red Dragon from Bones I to be a test piece. I used dark purple and charcoal as the base colors, and applied a black wash followed by a black ink glaze. I've picked out some details, but I'm not sure if I need more work on this. Any suggestions?
And finally, a Griffin!
This stuff is a lot of fun to paint. It takes me back to the days when I painted minis just to pass the time...
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I posted this in the other reaper topic, but this figure seems relevant to Dakka. Shades of Starcraft?
Not sure, but it looks like that IMF or whatever Bulldog mecha thing is getting Boned as well.
Are there more pictures of these other than the one I've spoilered below on the campaign page?
Spoiler:
Highlord's pic above is much more flattering, so just wondering if the stretch goal pic isn't doing them justice... or if instead it's a more accurate depiction of these models.
streamdragon wrote: Looks like someone changed their mind and freed up a Wave 2 core slot, so I grabbed it. I really like the undead minotaur, and definitely want the Vic artillery.
Not sure why. It's unlikely I'll ever even USE any of this stuff, let alone paint it.
It's such a good price, you want to have it, "just in case"
I'm actually in the middle of painting up some Bones I minis, at least partially to justify buying more!
Spoiler:
First up, a group of Kobolds. These are neat little models, and while I didn't lavish a ton of time on them, I think a base coat + wash makes them fine for table top use:
Next, a rust monster:
Another classic monster, the dread beholder!
A lizardman and swamp troll:
A better angle on the Swamp Troll:
I've been painting minis for over a decade, but I've never painted a dragon! I picked the the Pathfinder Red Dragon from Bones I to be a test piece. I used dark purple and charcoal as the base colors, and applied a black wash followed by a black ink glaze. I've picked out some details, but I'm not sure if I need more work on this. Any suggestions?
And finally, a Griffin!
This stuff is a lot of fun to paint. It takes me back to the days when I painted minis just to pass the time...
Polonius - those are some nice looking miniatures!
I really like the paint jobs on the monsters - well done!
That really show how well BONES stuff can paint up!
No problem. I was going to go for a core pledge but realized my reasons for doing that didn't make sense. I will buy the stuff from core that I want but most of the things I would use are add ons or expansions.
Yeah, I'm in at a Wave 3 $1 pledge that's actually at $100. W3 is the earliest those ship, so at this point if a Wave 1 or 2 '$100 tier' spot opened I might snag it just to be higher up the list, but it's not a requirement.
And to be clear, it's not like ones wave seems to be a dealmaker/breaker. They shipped the entirety of Bones 2 in something like 3 weeks. The difference between the first going out and the last really isn't that big a deal.
And they had to mess with the system a little due to some issues. I believe international folks got a bit of a head start, which was a nice change of pace compared to getting everything weeks after the US is done like some campaigns.
Basically it's a little potential perk, but don't get too worried about ones position. This many campaigns in, I have faith in their ability to deliver swiftly.
Oh, I'm in a wave 1 core pledge slot.. but I won't actually be buying a pledge in the manager. I'll be picking and choosing a lot more carefully. This keeps me from having "stagnant" hero models and frees up cash for the big stuff that will be painful to buy at retail.
I hear that. Just thought I'd mention it aloud in the thread, lest someone get overly invested in being 'omg in wave one!' and the potential realities of pledge fulfillment.
lol, yeah.. it's just a matter of days or maybe a week or 2.. My initial pledge happened to land in wave 2 and I got lucky and was on in the middle of the night when someone announced they were about to free up a wave 1. Otherwise I would not have bothered.
Wehrkind wrote: Are those 3 mini-pugs in the Dwarf King set?
Cause that's a game changer.
Dammit dammit dammit. I really hope they have a long pledge manager phase.
Come on, Reaper, don't be a Mantic.
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: I like the idea of the dwarf king and his companions, but the king himself doesn't seem to be living much like a king these days.
Where's the usual dwarf flair? All the gold and jewels and master craftsmanship?
He looks like he was kicked out of the hold and living in a cave somewhere instead. Maybe the stronghold is getting renovated?
That throne is just not up to snuff for a king.
I agree one hundred percent. However, as a mildly successful Dwarf merchant lounging in his guest chamber, he does a decent job. Fortunately, GW and Avatars of War are generous with their dwarf bling, so I can always find a way to spruce him up, or replace him with a more kingly king.
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Wehrkind wrote: A pug trio would be the start of a fun gift project for my wife. She likes her mammals small, and sorta goofy looking.
The Foo Dog is a little larger than the pugs, but has spades of goofy mammalian charm.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I like the idea of the dwarf king and his companions, but the king himself doesn't seem to be living much like a king these days.
Where's the usual dwarf flair? All the gold and jewels and master craftsmanship?
He looks like he was kicked out of the hold and living in a cave somewhere instead. Maybe the stronghold is getting renovated?
Not feeling that Dwarf add-on in the slightest.
Reaper says the king will be separate from the model so you can leave him off at your whim.
Reaper mentioned the next expansion would be grey. I replied I did not buy expansion3 last time because of the grey aliens if that's what they meant and they seemed to backpedal a little on that hint. I would love for their nicer sci-fi stuff to make it in but I think they just might be too out of touch with what's going on in sci-fi miniatures/gaming to make a good showing. After a conversation via messages, I kinda think they realize it and don't really care so much about changing it.
That was an honest mistake, caused by consorting with the Old Ones and dark arts. Although it was always intended to be 15 dollars, which is still a goat price, the strange geometries of forcing the sculpt into our realities altered the price lower. This has been fixed for now, although rumors are that remedying the situation placed an intern into a persistent vegetative state.
Yeah.. I'm honestly on the fence with it too. I was in for xpac 1 but looking at it.. I don't want $50 worth of the stuff in it. Maybe half of it if that. I do want the plant monster but it's nested in with stuff I really don't want or need. Xpac2 has enough for a good story arc based on that type of thing, but unless the value shoots way up, I'll just make due with my already substantial collection of similar models as well.
The Ogre Command Add-On is not worth $10 IMO. Most of the other Bones Ogres are ~$3 retail. The ones in the core set are a great deal by comparison. As interesting as oven-mitt boob ogre is, and the strange armored guy.. I just can't see it.
Not sure why I'm so down on this project all of a sudden but the usefulness doesn't seem high and the value on these models that are geared towards being affordable is something I'm starting to question. Is a model really a good deal if you never paint it or use it?
MLaw wrote: Is a model really a good deal if you never paint it or use it?
Sure!
If you sell it.
Or give it away as a gift.
Or use it as a test piece.
I'd suggest possibly cutting for bits/terrain/objectives, but I'm not sure how well Bones would take to such modifications, as I'm very new to modeling.
Long story short, there are alternatives, but if you're not feeling it, that's cool too. We all have to watch our budgets, there's always another game to get or model to buy or KS to back.
In response to MLaw, if it's a good deal then it's a good deal.
However, if it was a wise purchase... that's the rub. If you use it in it's unpainted state then you probably still got your money out of it, but if you bought it because it was cheap and it never leaves the storage box... then it probably wasn't worth your money buying it.
Gonna have to do some heavy considering on this one. Since I'm fortunate enough to not have to factor in shipping, I'll probably take my chances on the corsairs and crusaders at least. If they end up soft or something, not a big loss.
Also, if they do fully fund a third expansion and it's scifi... I'd probably be more down for that. I got two of them during bones 2 and don't regret it (although I do regret that my greys are a bit tacky... need to research a different sealer).
Grimdork - Yeah, I definitely need some of the models they're showing for some specific campaigns in DnD (going to run some players through Hammerfast at some point and a few others). Some of the models though.. means I am scrutinizing which ones that means before I dump them on the old CC.
It sucks that shipping is there. I hate it when I get stuck with it from euro-starters or all the wonderful european places. Hopefully you don't get the other side of that.. a horrible conversion rate. Ugh.. I am hoping they do show us a sci-fi expansion..and I am hoping it's mind-blowing. I'm not holding my breath though because every time I see anyone mention it, the response is not very exciting.
Those two are the size of the Dracolisk. I asked why 2 models that small were priced in the KS higher than the Chimera's retail price.. they refused to answer. People aren't paying attention to how much these things are costing per model.
I dropped my wave 1 pledge. Probably done with Reaper. I've got loads of fantasy stuff anyway and that really seems to be all they care about.
I hope everyone that's in for this enjoys. There's a lot of fun to be had for sure. Already put my money on HINT. Catch ya later
EDIT: I didn't just leave over the manticore and sphinx, and my issue was not just on pricing. The sphinx looked a bit silly vs the metal ones they have and the manticore looked nothing like that classic look their existing one has. They're not bad sculpts but I'm not overly fond of their designs. When you pair this with how little of this KS I actually need, the whole thing with changing the $10 model to a $15 model after it was more popular than they realized, being brushed off when asking about sci-fi (that is a really big one for me), and just general burnout. Seeing an update that was two undersized models that I was looking for, done in a style that is totally not up my alley, and priced higher than the freaking frost giants??? It just does not make sense to me.
Care to share a link to this cheap existing Manticore? Only one I can seem to find is one for $16.
Or did you really mean Chimera? Yep, that's $5.49 on their site, but you're comparing different creatures.
Ron did address your concerns, saying that the bases on these new ones constitute some of the cost. $6 each is still awesome imho.
As to Shubs price increase, it was a mistake. No reason to suspect shenanigans imho. $15 for a mini that size is still a fantastic deal, considering it will be $40+ at retail.
Agreed on the sci fi though. Too bad the anti sci fi brigade seemingly has such a big influence.
@AlexC - As a rule, the Bones prices are doubled at retail. That means the Chimera and Manticore are going to be $12 each retail. The $16 metal one is closer to what I want anyway.. so I'll just go that route. The Sphinxes that they have are what I was hoping for, not the one they ended up with, regardless of the price.
The base constitutes some of the cost? How are the giants, dragon and rider, massive tentacle beast, etc etc either cheaper or very close to the same price? It doesn't make sense. Again though.. the price isn't what did it in the end.
I referenced the bones chimera because they're basically the same size. It's a frame of reference.
@Alex C - lol yeah.. well.. :/ There's some good people there too. NatoriErk is a sci-fi guy too and other than the fact that he's talking smack about me he is a pretty good guy. aryanun too.
Anyway, probably the last time I'll check in here so take it easy.
Reaper's anti-sci fi bias is baffling and frustrating. The worst part is how they constantly put out boneheaded, sabotaged sci fi releases seemingly just so they can point to low sales and say, "See?"
Agreed on the sci fi though. Too bad the anti sci fi brigade seemingly has such a big influence.
I don't know that it is so much an Anti-Scifi Brigade, as 5-10 people who spam their townsfolk/basic round bases/other fantasy stuff wishlists non-stop. I personally hope to see a lot more scifi.
I'm really curious to hear from the sci-fi crowd- what are you looking for? I think I saw a request for some sort of armored car, and modern humanoid aliens, but otherwise- what are you seeking?
The main reason fantasy works is because the same stock monsters appeal to folks who play most any RPG, and just fans of mythology. Sci-fi would have to be generic enough to work as many things, while being specific enough to be desirable.
So I ask- what should be in a sci fi expansion set?
I don't need more greys unless they're in robot suits or something... but stuff like kulathi and bathalians makes me happy. Civilians would be useful too, robots and drones could be nice.
I don't necessarily *hope* they do a sci-fi expansion, but if they do then that's where my interest is likely to be.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Reaper's anti-sci fi bias is baffling and frustrating. The worst part is how they constantly put out boneheaded, sabotaged sci fi releases seemingly just so they can point to low sales and say, "See?"
Pretty much this.
They have some really neat models. One could make a Shadowrun group from any number of their figures to be honest. They have some neat aliens that could work in a Mass Effect type of setting and a few more hostile looking critters. The mindset tends to be that they want to throw something out that is general and broad. The problem is they are unwilling to commit the resources to develop any specific range to fit this bill. I've seen comments that say things like "sci-fi models tend to be really specific where fantasy is pretty flexible" and I think.. wow.. how off-base. First, some fantasy stuff is extremely setting specific. Second, they release stuff like that weird steampunk Wizard of Oz set.. how is that not specific? Third, sci-fi gamers know that for the most part, we can use rule of cool, counts-as, or our imaginations for models. Even if this were in doubt, plenty of other companies have laid the foundation for the types of things as general release that would be cross-system usable. If Reaper would bother to look, they would see. I am loathe to point towards Mantic but they have broken ground in this area along with Studio McVey, Heresy, ,Hasslefree, and on and on. Even Titan-Forge showed that sci-fi can blend with fantasy through their teched up demons. Reaper's stance on sci-fi is an active decision and they are a business, so whether or not I agree with it, all I can do is vote with my wallet.
Side note.. honestly, all they would have to do to make a gazillion dollars is do what they did with the crusaders or really anything they've released as a set. Releasing a set of anthromorphic sci-fi troopers in the same nature as their lycanthropes, cat people or whatever, would be crazy popular. Taking their little devils or demons and giving them blasters.. no brainer. Knights in suits of power armor.. come on.. does that even need to be spelled out? Ogres with heavy machine guns.. halflings with sniper rifles? Beastmen, lizardmen, dwarves, elves, etc.. in any kind of futuristic gear. Most of the popular sci-fi is fantasy in sci-fi stuff.. so this is huge no-brainer where I'm concerned. How they don't see it is beyond me.
Hey guys, sorry for the noob question, but do I see it right that as a pledger from germany not only would I have to pay for shipping but also import tax and everything customs-related (that will probably cost me additional time to deal with the customs office etc)?
Kosake wrote: Hey guys, sorry for the noob question, but do I see it right that as a pledger from germany not only would I have to pay for shipping but also import tax and everything customs-related (that will probably cost me additional time to deal with the customs office etc)?
Correct. You have to pay shipping, and then all the import fees. Reaper does not have European distribution.
Basically as a RoW backer you have to balance availability with cost. Few places stock Reaper anywhere but the USA, so getting a lot of what you need through kickstarter could save you hassle later.
If there are specific things you want, they do have a dollar pledge that will allow you to select whatever. You also don't have to select the Core pledge if you want a $100+ slot. You can pick and choose anything in the pledge manager- you aren't required to buy the core set with any pledge. Their pledge calculator on the main kickstarter page can tally all your addons, and is very accurate when calculating your shipping as well. Also note you don't have to pay for shipping with your pledge- you can do that in the pledge manager later.
So, almost 300$ miniatures, 50$ shipping and then another 20+% for customs...? Let's call that a "nope". Too bad. I would have liked some of the stuff.
Head's up people, spot on the Wave-2-pledge freeing up...
Hell, even as a Canadian I'm looking at nearly $40 US in shipping for a single tier pledge, plus the chance (not a guarantee, but it happens) to get dinged further on delivery. Plus the gakky exchange rate.
And even with those heightened costs, my group and I may still back (splitting such costs 3 ways can help keep them reasonable), just sorting out the particulars at this point.
But I absolutely empathize with folks who face even harsher shipping costs, taxes, and duties.
Man, Reaper kind of screwed this one up with the stretch goal pacing. I think by this point with the previous KS, hadn't it already reached the 2 million mark? There's only a few days left and they haven't reached that point yet.
Barzam wrote: Man, Reaper kind of screwed this one up with the stretch goal pacing. I think by this point with the previous KS, hadn't it already reached the 2 million mark? There's only a few days left and they haven't reached that point yet.
The last kickstarter was also quite a bit longer. This one was 18 days instead of a full month.
Barzam wrote: Man, Reaper kind of screwed this one up with the stretch goal pacing. I think by this point with the previous KS, hadn't it already reached the 2 million mark? There's only a few days left and they haven't reached that point yet.
Actually the differences between the two are marginal (1.7 compared 1.5 million, with the difference basically being all on day 1)
what's going to be interesting is whether all of the rest of the money Bones II picked up over 12 days will roll in for this over the remaining 4. Is the shorter campaign going to hurt?
There's the often touted push that every campaign has to be bigger, Bigger, BIGGER!!!
But if they can do what they want for 2-3m, and get that amount, that's undeniably a win.
They're pretty rapidly approaching 1.6m, and with 4 days left it wouldn't surprise me at all if they broke 2-2.5+ (and with the potential for a massive boost in the final days, who knows where it might end up).
Basically, there's nothing wrong with having a reasonable goal and hitting it. And I actually appreciate the trimmed campaign length. Let's be honest, sure, with another week or two they couple probably add on another couple hundred grand, but is it necessary? Or is it just padding the score and holding up the funding getting to them (and thus, really getting to work) those extra weeks? Once they can make a gazillion new figures, is a gazillion and a half really doing enough to bother with, when presumably they could just as easily roll anything 'left over' into Bones 4 (if there is one)?
Oh, Reaper is canny enough that any initiative that turns them a profit, and gives them new molds for hundreds of figures is an initiative that will be repeated until it fails.
Plus I can't imagine how exhausting it must be to run one of these things. And who knows, maybe if they dont hit every goal they had planned it will ship sooner! A guy can walsy hope, right?
MLaw wrote: Those two are the size of the Dracolisk. I asked why 2 models that small were priced in the KS higher than the Chimera's retail price.. they refused to answer. People aren't paying attention to how much these things are costing per model.
I dropped my wave 1 pledge. Probably done with Reaper. I've got loads of fantasy stuff anyway and that really seems to be all they care about.
I hope everyone that's in for this enjoys. There's a lot of fun to be had for sure. Already put my money on HINT. Catch ya later
EDIT: I didn't just leave over the manticore and sphinx, and my issue was not just on pricing. The sphinx looked a bit silly vs the metal ones they have and the manticore looked nothing like that classic look their existing one has. They're not bad sculpts but I'm not overly fond of their designs. When you pair this with how little of this KS I actually need, the whole thing with changing the $10 model to a $15 model after it was more popular than they realized, being brushed off when asking about sci-fi (that is a really big one for me), and just general burnout. Seeing an update that was two undersized models that I was looking for, done in a style that is totally not up my alley, and priced higher than the freaking frost giants??? It just does not make sense to me.
I am considering dropping out of the KS myself for very similar reasons. It just seems like all Reaper is concerned about is the money these days. The whole pricing over the Shubby figure was a good example of that. If they had just come clean and admitted that they underestimated demand and had initially priced it too close to cost, I would have been fine with it. But treating us as if we are stupid was kind of insulting. Do they really expect us to believe that for a figure that was priced at the same $10 amount as Cthulhu from Bones I, was way more popular than expected judging from the high amounts that weekend, a pledge manager that was taken down for reasons that were never fully explained just before this and came up with the changed price; was somehow missed by at least three people at Reaper (Bryan who commented on the figure when it was posted as well as put up the updates, the graphic designer who made the images and the person that handles their pledge manager all did not notice it for three days? Coupled with the lack of sci-fi and generally lack of value in the core set compared to the two previous Bones campaigns and this one is not looking all that tempting.
They actually priced quite a few miniatures too low during the first kickstarter- Kaladrax comes to my mind first. I beliee they mentioned they went in the hole a bit with the first kickstarter.
So comparing things to the first kickstarter is going to make things all screwy. They offered way too much for far too little.
Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
MLaw wrote: Those two are the size of the Dracolisk. I asked why 2 models that small were priced in the KS higher than the Chimera's retail price.. they refused to answer. People aren't paying attention to how much these things are costing per model.
I dropped my wave 1 pledge. Probably done with Reaper. I've got loads of fantasy stuff anyway and that really seems to be all they care about.
I hope everyone that's in for this enjoys. There's a lot of fun to be had for sure. Already put my money on HINT. Catch ya later
EDIT: I didn't just leave over the manticore and sphinx, and my issue was not just on pricing. The sphinx looked a bit silly vs the metal ones they have and the manticore looked nothing like that classic look their existing one has. They're not bad sculpts but I'm not overly fond of their designs. When you pair this with how little of this KS I actually need, the whole thing with changing the $10 model to a $15 model after it was more popular than they realized, being brushed off when asking about sci-fi (that is a really big one for me), and just general burnout. Seeing an update that was two undersized models that I was looking for, done in a style that is totally not up my alley, and priced higher than the freaking frost giants??? It just does not make sense to me.
I am considering dropping out of the KS myself for very similar reasons. It just seems like all Reaper is concerned about is the money these days. The whole pricing over the Shubby figure was a good example of that. If they had just come clean and admitted that they underestimated demand and had initially priced it too close to cost, I would have been fine with it. But treating us as if we are stupid was kind of insulting. Do they really expect us to believe that for a figure that was priced at the same $10 amount as Cthulhu from Bones I, was way more popular than expected judging from the high amounts that weekend, a pledge manager that was taken down for reasons that were never fully explained just before this and came up with the changed price; was somehow missed by at least three people at Reaper (Bryan who commented on the figure when it was posted as well as put up the updates, the graphic designer who made the images and the person that handles their pledge manager all did not notice it for three days? Coupled with the lack of sci-fi and generally lack of value in the core set compared to the two previous Bones campaigns and this one is not looking all that tempting.
That sounds a bit harsh to be honest especially for a company know for value. I could imagine the harsh criticism if they had done that AFTER the kickstarter closed but with a few days left? They may not have handled it as well as they should have but I think saying that they're all about the money these days doesn't ring true.
I'm guessing Bob wanted more freaky monsters than investigators be didn't get to hand pick.
The quality/scale between the lot of part 3 is spotty at best, some Victorian looking folks along with the mountain man and some proper investigators.
For some, wave 3 of Mythos will be just right, though I think I'd prefer to hand pick my own investigators and saying that means the rest doesn't have enough value for me.
Add in the understandably more expensive Goat, and I've got more theoretical dollars to spare for Tianot or a third expansion if it were to show up. Or just a smaller pledge, that's be smart
Bob doesn't like seafood on his eldrich towers?
Possibly the abundance of seafolk, Victorian civvies, Egyptian-y adventurers.
Or maybe it is the...Camel that broke it?
Beats me. I'm looking for more investigators for Eldritch Horror and Arkham Horror. The statue and obelisk will make great First Player and Doom tokens.
RAMF has its 28mm investigators, but they're in metal, making them more expensive.
Cthulhu Wars Onslaught 2 will be in September. No info if investigators will be offered, though.
How so? I don't have a dog in the fight but am curious nonetheless.
Part 1: Here are some Lovecraftian monsters.
Backers: Yay!
Part 2: here are some more monsters, still mostly awesome.
Backers: I love where this is going!
Part 3: No monsters here. Just some of the worst sculpts you've seen in decades.
Backers: ...
lol This was pretty much my reaction. I kinda expected to log in today and feel like an ass for canceling my pledge but I totally don't. Honestly, the lycanthrope packs at this point are the only things I'm really upset about missing KS prices on. I've got giants and dragons and all that other crap for days but man.. those are some awesome lycanthropes. The undead demi-humans are cool too but pretty much everything else is something I can pass on without feeling guilty at all.
Yea I don't know what to say about Mythos part 3. I sort of kind of like some of the ideas, and I totally want Miner McMoonshine there, but it just leaves me sort of scratching my head. I'd have thought they would go for a big monster/gribbly thing expansion, and then let you get your heroes in another set or something perhaps.
I guess my thinking is, I would go for expansions that had a tight theme. Hell, sell me 20 skeletons, 20 zombies, some skeleton knights, some skeleton archers, a few skelly monsters and a few necromancers and call it the "Legion of the Dead Expansion" and that makes a lot of sense. Essentially, package up a small army, a little themed terrain and the relevant characters, and we are golden. I don't know why that isn't happening.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, don't sell me a bunch of skeletons and zombies, because I don't care about them, but that's the general idea.
I liked that they at least tried to keep some theme around the expansions this time.
I'd love to see more on offer like this in the future- sets of a 12- 30 figures of various sizes, maybe a bit of scenery, a big centerpiece bad guy or objective...
Offer it up all boxed like Dragons don't share... I'm sure there's a market for it.
I remember that was a big criticism of the expansions last time. Too random.
Hopefully we'll see at least one more.
That camel is awfully tempting as well. Strap some guns on it an you can recreate Metal Slug 2!
For me the biggest reason not to pledge on the Mythos Expansion now (which I'd been pretty much set on buying) is not the quality of part III, but its lack of versatility.
I can bring giant Cthulhoid critters easily into fantasy skirmish wargaming (Song of Blades and Heroes, and Frostgrave, are both versatile enough that these minis could fit fine). And I could use a lot of the part I and II minis in 40K as demons, or cultic iconography. Whereas Part III is basically for people running a straight 1920s Call of Cthulhu campaign, and nothing else. I love Call of Cthulhu as a player, but I'm never likely to GM it, and I'm not especially likely to even get to play it any time soon.
Had already been contemplating dropping my pledge for Shubby once the price went up, because again, I didn't have a specific use for it, but at $10 it was too good a mini to pass up.
It's become a slow, but somewhat steady grind now hasn't it? I'm glad the artillery piece has been unlocked by now, though I'm curious to see how long before we finally reach that final dragon.
Ian Sturrock wrote: For me the biggest reason not to pledge on the Mythos Expansion now (which I'd been pretty much set on buying) is not the quality of part III, but its lack of versatility.
Cthulhu Wars: Onslaught 2 will be around September, so there goes your money!
I thought Mrs. Bones will be available sometime during the campaign, although I'm not seeing Sophie, either. IIRC, The demoness in Skullstone expansion is nicknamed Sophie's Mom.
We're also still waiting on Not-Tiamat. I also haven't seen the Graveyard Golem yet!
Looks like 129 mini's once we hit the Oz set, plus two weapon sprues and two sets of bases (50 and 20)..
Yeah, I'm not especially impressed with the stretch goals this moment either- although I am thrilled about one thing. The next 3 stretch goals all add free things to the core set.
I can't recall that happening earlier in the campaign, and I hope it is a trend that continues.
Sinful Hero wrote: They actually priced quite a few miniatures too low during the first kickstarter- Kaladrax comes to my mind first. I beliee they mentioned they went in the hole a bit with the first kickstarter.
So comparing things to the first kickstarter is going to make things all screwy. They offered way too much for far too little.
They got a 50k profit on Bones 1 after shipping and moulding, with 10$ Kaladrax and Cthulhu so I wouldn't worry about them
Bones 1 Kickstarter chart
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Aaaaaand Mythos 3 ruins it.
Same sentiment here, I love me some Lovecraft but I dont see any situation where I'm gonna need 1920 civilians.
Does anyone know if they sell expansion minis individually in retail?
The worse part is, I bought some Strange Aeons minis for my 1920s CoC game... and these are much, much better. I guess it would force me to bring out the misshappen lumps of resin they sell as minis and it would remind me of that bad call...
I want another undead dragon! And terrain! Right now I'm hovering at just two mystic circles and that's it. One for a full circle terrain piece and the other for random terrain pieces around the board.
Hulksmash wrote: I want another undead dragon! And terrain! Right now I'm hovering at just two mystic circles and that's it. One for a full circle terrain piece and the other for random terrain pieces around the board.
The Mystic Circle is aces, especially at that price. Even the full retail of, I'd guess, $25-30 won't be too bad.
It makes me wonder why they aren't working on more terrain. stuff like walls, river sections, or huts would be great in Bones.
I haven't pledge yet. I'm torn between gluttony (I want it all!) and the pragmatism of starting a family in a year, which means that by the time the bones arrive... I won't be gaming or painting nearly as much.
I have a hard time saying no the Circle, the Cannon, and the Giant Warriors. I can probably be talked in to the Stoneskull expansion, and I"m sure Ill pledge for Tiamat when she comes online.
Yuup. I use mythos monsters a lot in D&D games, but I dont think I've ever used minis in Call of Cthulhu. Normally if you're in a fight, you kind of screwed up.
Depends on the campaign - you could expect combat in Masks of Nyarlathotep, which was intended to be played for a fair amount of time.
Over all... I quite like all of the Mythos miniatures - and see at least two that I would like to have as my own PCs.
The camel... I am willing to bet will see at least as much use in fantasy games as in Call of Cthulhu. (Including at least two Pathfinder Adventure Paths that have already been published.)
There are two that I can easily see being used in Steampunk games, as well as all of the Victorian minis. (The female pilot and the female big game hunter... I could have really used the big game hunter about four years ago, we had exactly that type of character in the steampunk game that I was running.)
There is enough in the set to keep me happy, in part because I am not not trying to see the whole thing as All Mythos, All the Time.
I wouldn't have minded more monsters in Mythos 3, but I don't mind the investigators they've got in there.
BrookM wrote: It's become a slow, but somewhat steady grind now hasn't it?
Depending on ones personal taste perhaps, but at a glance for Bones 2, the last week of 50-70k per day compares reasonably to the 50-60k per day of that campaigns midpoint.
According to Kicktraq, Bones 2 made around 900k in the last 3 days. Maybe the'll pull that off again, maybe they won't.
Polonius wrote: I won't be gaming or painting nearly as much.
I have the sneaky feeling I'll be playing Magic the Boardgame (tm) more often because the summoned units aren't painted...
Thes Hunter:
Core is currently at 123minis (w/o the weapons or bases) – 81 cents per mini.
- Most Smaller minis go for: $1.99 - $2.29 (60% - 65% off) ~22 smaller minis so far in core
- Most medium sized character minis go for $2.29 - $2.79 (65%-71% discount) 75 currently
- Most Large minis go for: $3.29 - $6.99 (75%-89% discount) ~ 22 ≥Large minis in core
- 25 one inch bases are $4.99, x2 (we get ~50) is $9.98 which people are getting for free
- 10 two inch bases are $4.99 x2 (we get ~20) is $9.98 again for free.
- The weapon sprues in metal cost ~$8.99 (but guessing from the familiars and rats would be Between $1.99 - $3.99 in Bones) again, x3 ($6-$12) for free.
Remember in metal all these things would be more expensive. For example the pathfinder troll is $15.99 alone in metal. Actually the Pathfinder II addition is $43.95 in metal, and would likely be at least $15.15 at retail in Bones. All yours for ~$4.
- And when Wild West Oz unlocks: 129 minis – 77 cents a mini
But each person needs to find their own value in this.
ced - The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
You can not compare the prices between the two. A more apt comparison is with pre-painted figures like heroclix, DDM, Pathfinder Battles, the newest batch of DnD prepaints, etc. If you spent $400 on that.. yeah, you'd end up with 200-300 models too if you got mostly crap low-level units and a couple of big things. You can get 2 of the DnD board games with their Chainmail figures that have been recast in the same bendy plastic as bones.. 2 of them will run you about 100 bucks and it'll be about 84 figures... oh yeah.. and it will have 2 board games and a lot of accessories for roleplaying. The current bones 3 core is so whacked out and all over the place, it's really hard to see how most people would consider them entirely usable... and we're hearing as much from quite a few people.
Look on ebay.. you can get prepaints of very similar quality for the same prices... and not wait a year... oh yeah.. and you get to pick and choose.
The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
It a lot less to do with the paint jobs, actually zero percent for myself, and a lot more with them being the same sculpts.
You are also incredibley low balling the current prices of the plastic DnD, Pathfinder, and Clix figures, which are often as much if not more than the comparable Bones figures, if there is a comparable figure at all, especially if you are only cherry picking figures for your collection.
I'm not familiar with DDM or DND minis, but I have seen heroclix models before and I also have a bunch of heroscape and star wars minis from WOTC which I assume are comparable. The Reaper Bones models are far better than those models. I'm not sure what you're smoking, but it must be some good stuff.
The Bones II models were also definitely a step up from the Bones I models, so maybe if you just saw the Bones I models you were a little turned off.
I'm not even a seasoned painter, having painted less than 100 models, including rank and file models, and I've managed to come up with these:
It is quite true that the quality of sculpt does not always carry over from metal to bones all that well. You lose maybe 10% on small, man sized stuff, 2-3% on medium sized stuff (ogres) and just about 0 on dragon/monster sized stuff. Some sculpts suffer more than others, particularly at the man sized tier, but not a great deal.
So.... partially paint helps any model, but by and large the Bones are pretty darn good. Not perfect, and sometimes loses a little dynamism as the pose shifts slightly, but if you liked the metal you will probably like the bones too. Would I use Bones for a high end painting competition? No, I'd get the metal. Would I use it for a PC, warlord or other centerpiece model? Yea, probably, especially if it was a little larger.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Lt. Coldfire: have you tried thinning your paints? You want to aim for the consistency of 63 degree organic whole milk, or 67 degree whole milk if organic isn't available.
The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
It a lot less to do with the paint jobs, actually zero percent for myself, and a lot more with them being the same sculpts.
You are also incredibley low balling the current prices of the plastic DnD, Pathfinder, and Clix figures, which are often as much if not more than the comparable Bones figures, if there is a comparable figure at all, especially if you are only cherry picking figures for your collection.
Hey, if Bones has something you want and it's at a good value and you don't mind waiting, then fine. Those sculpts don't always survive bonesification though. Reaper makes a really cool fish priest type guy. He was in Bones 2. I was extremely excited about him being in that set. When my Bones 2 package came in, I looked for him and was heartbroken that he appeared to be horribly miscast. There was a chronoscope guy with a powerfist too.. who I didn't care about but his face had gone all blobish. Reaper was very quick to send replacements.. but both of them had the exact same problems.
As to me low-balling prices.. Right now on ebay you can get Pathfinder pre-painted giants for $3-$5 and an Iron Golem that's easily as tall or possibly taller than the render from exp 1 is supposed to be for a similar price. I'm not lowballing anything, I've been shopping around. You are right, not everything is available and some things don't have a sculpt that isn't goofy looking. No argument there. The notion that Bones are being sold during kickstarter close to at cost though.. either Reaper is getting ripped off from China.. OR.. well..
Again.. I'm not telling anyone not to back. I'm simply stating that 90% of the stuff I would want from this is already available at similar prices for my taste or, at a better quality for a higher price (GCT has some amazing far-eastern themed sculpts.. no not at bones prices but definitely at a quality level bones will never be able to match).
On a side note: There's some crazy cool demons in the Pathfinder Battles stuff that I didn't even know about and they have some really cool minis in the same vein as the Mythos stuff too for people who are disenfranchised. Just remember to check Paizo's store for prices first.. sometimes they're lower than resellers.
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Lt. Coldfire wrote: I'm not familiar with DDM or DND minis, but I have seen heroclix models before and I also have a bunch of heroscape and star wars minis from WOTC which I assume are comparable. The Reaper Bones models are far better than those models. I'm not sure what you're smoking, but it must be some good stuff.
The Bones II models were also definitely a step up from the Bones I models, so maybe if you just saw the Bones I models you were a little turned off.
I'm not even a seasoned painter, having painted less than 100 models, including rank and file models, and I've managed to come up with these:
Spoiler:
I own quite a bit of Bones 2, which I backed. I also own some bones 1. The thing that Bones does well is big critters and anything with extremely pronounced details. The face, sword, and shield on that angel look like they were sculpted with play-doh to my eye. Show me pictures of hooded bones stuff that's been painted if you don't mind? Most of mine had their faces blobbed out. Chronoscope figures tend to lose their noses. Anyone with a spear or staff will need some serious work to get it to look like it's not a snake.
@Wehrkind You must see my only painting advice on the Reaper forums
@MLaw Ok, you have a point on some of the hooded figures. However, I'm no good at painting faces anyways, so a hood is welcomed as I can just shadow it out. I admit I haven't given much look to the chronoscope minis as they are probably last on my list to get around to. I'll take a look.
wreeper007 wrote: Question. Can I alter my pledge (reduce or increase) after the campaign ends?
Yes, but it's nice if you can put in as much as you can while the project is live to boost the project and the stretch goals. Edit: Oh oops, right--you can only increase your pledge after the campaign ends. You cannot decrease.
I've had good results with bones, and I'm not a particularly talented painter.
there are some losses in detail, which is why nearly everybody on the board here is screaming at reaper for more unit filler stuff and monsters, and fewere hero type characters. Of course, even the heros can be painted up as quick NPCs.
Low price + no need to prime + easy cleaning/assembly + relatively low detail = quick and easy to paint!
wreeper007 wrote: Question. Can I alter my pledge (reduce or increase) after the campaign ends?
You can only increase it after the campaign ends (not decrease). If you're unsure, use the pledge calculator on their campaign tab and get the stuff you know you'll want and pick up the other stuff during the pledge manager.. which will split it into two payments as well.
Also, for the record, the Pathfinder Battles prepaints do have quite a few mythos creatures that have shown up in it so far, and usually have somewhat decent paint jobs if that's what you're after.
Gugs, Moonbeasts, Elder Things, Mi-Go, Yithians, Nightgaunts, Hounds of Tindalos... that's all off the top of my head.
At least we'll get the Oz set some time today, and hopefully something a bit more exciting after that.
So what all are we missing from the Reapercon reveals other than Tiamat? The graveyard and coral golems, the chibi monsters, frost giant princess, the wagon, archway, coatl, huge purple worm, smaller Mashaaf thing...
Given the next stretch goal is 100k+ away and is just weapons and the 1920's investigators of questionable popularity, I'm not sure if we're going to see everything previewed without dropping some major bombs Thursday/Friday.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: So what all are we missing from the Reapercon reveals other than Tiamat? The graveyard and coral golems, the chibi monsters, frost giant princess, the wagon, archway, coatl, huge purple worm, smaller Mashaaf thing...
Given the next stretch goal is 100k+ away and is just weapons and the 1920's investigators of questionable popularity, I'm not sure if we're going to see everything previewed without dropping some major bombs Thursday/Friday.
25k away, actually. It's the Oz pack. I generally agree though, the shorter campaign this time is probably not doing them any real favors. On the other hand, they're still getting enough to greatly expand their range, so I doubt they're quite looking at it that way.
They are a studio that makes Bushido .. again.. these weren't mentioned because they are cheap but because of the Asian Lore connection that a lot of people were clamoring for. They just previewed an upcoming Tengu release that's really neat but they also have a whole range of Tengu. They also have feathered serpents, snake-men, kitsune, etc. http://www.bushido-thegame.com/store
I just ordered a pathfinder frost giant and a DnD Attack Wing Frost Giant for $11 shipped (total). Picked up the Heroclix one too.. he's a little more ($13 shipped) but looks like a shaman instead of a warrior. Contemplating the OOP Paizo Frost Giant and the Heroscape ones too but they're about $15 each since both are OOP.
I'll likely get one of the Bones 3 frost giants at some point and the existing princess, maybe.. but that particular itch has been scratched
As others have said Mythos exp 3 is a bust. Needs more monsters and way less (or no) investigators. More monsters would have made a required buy, but now its very iffy.
Soo no mention of the collosal worm or that sweet crypt that were previewed in the latest update? I'd link but on phone and sort of lazy. Both look great, supposedly the crypt is part of expansion 3 so I guess that is happening. Kind of excited about it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ahh highlord got it, cool.
Oh damn, that's worth it then. If the expansion 3 has three waves like the other two.. then consider the crypt probably all of one wave.. but 16.67 or whatever for a decently sized hard plastic crypt complete with floor... compare that to some other plastic scenery of the type... worth it. Just depends on what else they put into the expansion I guess.
Polonius wrote: I've had good results with bones, and I'm not a particularly talented painter.
I'm not a particularly talented painter, so Bones is good for me!
If you're a display-level painter, of course you're going to go for metal and resin. But what's the point of spending twice or more as much money on a miniature if your results are pretty much the same? For tabletop, unless you're pushing the miniatures around with your nose, at the distance you're looking at miniatures when gaming you're not going to see all the details you laboriously spent hours and hours putting in. I have some Dark Sword Miniatures I picked up at the Stephanie Law KS, but don't think I'll pick up too many more expensive high-quality miniatures until I can paint them well.
I disagree that the Mythos expansion is a "bust". I'll be using the investigator mini's for Eldritch Horror. But if you did want more monsters, pledge for Cthulhu Wars: Onslaught 2 in September instead. Goodbye money.
Also, check out 1:45 for how big stupid huge Shub-Niggurath is. Hope that thing's not pre-assembled, though!
Bones is actually not half bad for display level painters, depending on the piece. Their larger models are especially good in this regard (I've got a worg I use for Pathfinder that I'm rather proud of, and I'm currently working on a dragon), but anything without much fiddly detail or a face (I'm looking at you, Mimic) can still be painted up to a great standard.
Graveyard is awesome, really strong out of the gate. I was expecting the crypt to be a whole third of an expansion but there's a lot in that first chunk.
Ma'aldrakkar is very neat but I can't justify 60 bucks on a model right now even if its gonna retail 100-125, I guess I'll pass. Good news that Graveyard is so awesome so far. May get goremaw and or a smaller dragon/shub instead of Ma'aldrakkar.
Well, the pledge manager is going to be open for months, so plenty of time to save. That crypt looks great! Tiamat seems totally worth it. I kind of wish they'd cool it on the big scenic base pieces, but that really isnt a figure you're going to be moving around the game board. on the upside, it looks like the sphinx and manticore are separate from their bases.
I bought a GW Garden of Morr when it was still being made. It wasn't $50. Hopefully they add more to that so the value is really there for you guys. Everyone deserves a good graveyard terrain piece.
$60 for the 5-headed beast. That's more than the biggest two from the last one combined. o_0 I know it's massive but the point of this whole thing was supposed to be "affordable" miniatures IIRC. When that thing goes retail it'll be $120+ without a doubt. That means the $90 Ultraforge Dragon, Vermithrax is available at $47 and maybe just a tad smaller, DnD Attack Wing Tiamat is definitely smaller but about $47 on Amazon, but the retail will be cheaper than GW's Smaug at $450 or whatever and the Heresy Dragon at 250 GBP. This isn't meant as a bash, just a bit of perspective for people who might not have done any research into it.
There is also this.. available right now. http://www.amazon.com/Design-Toscano-Lysander-Five-Headed-Sculpture/dp/B004AB71H0/ref=sr_1_49?ie=UTF8&qid=1437610190&sr=8-49&keywords=5+headed+dragon
I kinda like the worm and I do like the hobgoblins. The look is a bit more asian than I might've wanted but the designs are very nice. Also not sure multiples of that pack would work very well as those are extrmely characterful designs.
Looking again, the ruins on the 5-headed dragon are massive but they kinda look generic. Also, take a look at the placement of the mold lines.. That'll take a bit of work.
Judging by the total ticking up at a visually measurable pace, I'd say this update is pretty well received.
anyone looking for a wave 3 pledge, mine just openned up. I decided to step out of the campaign because the current US to CAD exchange rate is terrible. I just can't justify paying for something now at the current rates that I will get in a year. I could deal with the high shipping or the exchange rate. But together it's just to much of a one two punch for me.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Well, the pledge manager is going to be open for months, so plenty of time to save. That crypt looks great! Tiamat seems totally worth it. I kind of wish they'd cool it on the big scenic base pieces, but that really isnt a figure you're going to be moving around the game board. on the upside, it looks like the sphinx and manticore are separate from their bases.
If we add money after the campaign ends do the prices go up?
MLaw wrote: There is also this.. available right now.
What drives me nuts is that sometimes you get a good paintjob, and sometimes you don't. That's why I don't buy these figures or prepaints. I can do a better job, although I'll probably be dead before I get around to painting these things.
The not-Tiamat is taller than Dragons Don't Share II, but only a little above 12", which is the height of the painted resin figure you linked to.
Graveyard expansion looks like the most versatile set of mini's. Hope the gamers who dropped out early find out about it.
Four big figures would set me back $100+, which I'd like to save for Cthulhu Wars and Oathsworn MIniatures. Still picking up the expansions, dragon with mount, mouselings, and weird puppet guy with BATTLE PUGS.
Usually the big pre-painted collectors fantasy stuff that's intended to be decorative has a more consistent paintjob. I really think that thing is intended as a end table piece and if you look at their other products, they really are more focused on quality. Now, if we were talking about big pre-paints from Wizkids, Paizo, WotC, etc etc.. then yeah.. absolutely, it's hit or miss. I just bought up a bunch of giants that are pre-painted and fully expect to go over them with my airbrush and do a bit of touch up. On the smaller pre-paints, I think stripping them is the way to go. A lot of people don't realize exactly how much paint is slopped on top of those heroclix, etc.. It's a lot. Many of those actually have very nice sculpts underneath. As a matter of fact, one of the guys that has sculpts in this (James Van.. Something..) did a lot of stuff for Heroclix. If you get that paint off it's like a whole new figure (look up stripping heroclix on youtube).
Either way, they put on their rocket skates now, so it's interesting to see how this develops.
lol, they admitted to adding in premiums on figures they assumed would be more popular. I believe it was ReaperBryan posting on the @Reaper account manager profile. He just casually put it out as part of an explanation about how they figure out what bones will cost. It followed the phrase "it's all part of a complex formula".. which in my experience usually means we don't really want to answer that because you won't like the answer..
I'll be honest.. $60 is higher than pretty much everyone was expecting.. I know they were watching what people's guesses were and it seems like they are using pawn shop owner logic.. if you can get it close to that.. then you can get it a little over that.
I'm still not in, but I'll admit, I've got a friend adding some small stuff to his order for me. The lycanthropes.. man.. too many years of Werewolf the Apocalypse..
Goremaw the Devourer is a keeper, but I hope they aren't going $30+ with his retail price. He seems much more simple than Mousharff.
The graveyard expansion looks great so far. I can't wait for the reveal that the third section is filled with minis of grieving grandchildren.
Automatically Appended Next Post: To show I'm not all snark, though, I really will be buying hundreds of bones minis over the next few years. Heck, I'll be buying lots of CAV minis...depending on how they turn out.
Love the concept art for the hobgoblins. Should be quite the treat. The not-tiamet is jaw dropping gerogues. Even thow I dropped my core set, I might go back in for $1+60 just for that beast. I would imagen the retail on that sucker to be like $120 and not be able to get free shipping when it goes to the webstore for general sale. lol
(Or at worst, it would end up like the clock-work dragon. For-ever out of stock on their website....)
Bossk_Hogg wrote: that really isnt a figure you're going to be moving around the game board.
Speak for yourself
Lol, fair enough. I gave up on that when I realized that in 1 inch = 5 foot in 3rd edition, my colossal red dragon had a fly speed of 40 squares (inches). At over 3 feet per standard move action, my table wasnt big enough to do a combat of that scale justice unless the participants were simply standing still trading blows. At that point I would just narrate the combat. I'm totally getting one regardless of in-game use.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Well, the pledge manager is going to be open for months, so plenty of time to save. That crypt looks great! Tiamat seems totally worth it. I kind of wish they'd cool it on the big scenic base pieces, but that really isnt a figure you're going to be moving around the game board. on the upside, it looks like the sphinx and manticore are separate from their bases.
If we add money after the campaign ends do the prices go up?
They didnt the last 3 campaigns. They actually get more money, since Amazon/Kickstarter doesnt take a cut. Just be sure to pledge a buck now.
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Lol, fair enough. I gave up on that when I realized that in 1 inch = 5 foot in 3rd edition, my colossal red dragon had a fly speed of 40 squares (inches). At over 3 feet per standard move action, my table wasnt big enough to do a combat of that scale justice unless the participants were simply standing still trading blows.
Oh, right. I'm also dropping $120 on this stuff this week. Each of those tiles is 9" across and this is what you get for $60.
I'm a bit disappointed with the current core pledge offerings; it's a bit underwhelming. The only models I really like from it are the Ogres, first three Lycanthropes, and the Eastern Legends Ogre with his fabulous gourd.
Seems like all the good stuff is by way of add-ons this time. Maybe I just need to wait for this thing to get closer to $3M?
Eh, I think in Bones I and II, Reaper went through their supply of the most in-demand models. So now they're doing the fringe stuff. I figure if you were in Bones I and II, you have the mainstream models, but if you weren't, you're not getting the staples.
Their upcoming prepainted Legendary Encounters should return back to the bread-and-butter mini's.
I don't think i know a word for how much I want that hideous, giant, multi-headed dragon in my life.
the undead dragon form Bones II, I always thought I wanted, but having seen it in person, it strikes me as sort of out-of-scale due to being very simple and very large. It breaks the barrier between toy and miniature for me, in the wrong direction.
But this? I want two. One to sit and stroke, and the other so I can attempt to bring it down to one head with an awful lot of sculpting. I'm not sure that'll work without seeing a front-view.
Bones II core set was still better than this one, imho. Ced's probably right about them scraping the bottom of the barrel here. The lack of Sophie doesn't help (with that impression) either.
But, again, maybe it'll be more attractive Saturday afternoon.
I really want the not-Tiamat but delivery to the Uk is going to be problematic.
If I use Reapers shipping taking this beast doubles the shipping charges, ouch. Even with the workarounds it will be just too much. A pity, I really want one.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
Orlanth wrote: I really want the not-Tiamat but delivery to the Uk is going to be problematic.
If I use Reapers shipping taking this beast doubles the shipping charges, ouch. Even with the workarounds it will be just too much. A pity, I really want one.
Not to mention customs fees. I genuinely don't know if it'll work out cheaper than retail at $120 + 20% + £12 handling.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
I think they took the length as the width or some such, it's all too easy to get stuff mixed up when your working across countries and in different languages
This is my first bones, and I'm so far quite happy with the core pledge. Sure, there's a lot of weirdness in there. There are also Orcs, goblins, ogres, a troll, and soon hobgoblins. The packmule can be in every overland encounter, plus bugs, a snake and a wolf.
The basics for a starter campaign are still there. I think they just aren't as spectacular as the Weird West Wizard of Oz, or the truly bewildering assortment of lycanthropes.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
I think they took the length as the width or some such, it's all too easy to get stuff mixed up when your working across countries and in different languages
No. Look. You have a master model. That's the thing your sculptor made out of green stuff. You make a mold of it by pouring silicone around it. They you get the master model out and you're left with a hole. You make retail models by pouring PVC in the hole.
At no step in this can anything double in size while keeping the exact proportions and detail.
The only way a spin-cast model could be made in the wrong size was if it were digitally sculpted, then 3D printed at the wrong scale, and nobody at Reaper would notice that this added an extra zero to their 3D printing bill, or inspect the pieces in any way before shipping them off to China to be molded.
Bones models are cast in a steel mold that has been cut by a CnC machine. Completely different to what you describe. It is very possible to input wrong numbers in to the program.
While Bones are a PVC plastic, they are a high vinyl content and are not made from a two-part polyester resin like you are thinking. The material they are made from comes in a beaded or near powder-like form delivered in a drum which is then loaded in a hopper and heated to a liquid state which is then injected into the mold.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
Yet, Reaper acknowledged it happened. Most likely a digital mixup that is easy to overlook when scrambling to complete a big kickstarter and workin with an overseas manufacturer.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
Yes you can. It was also what killed I-Kore.
They outsourced tooling for a set of molds for a plastic core set for the game Void.
The tools eventually came back and they were a direct duplicate of the three-up.
So they had to choose between abandoning doing plastic miniatures, redoing them or rescale the entire game. They chose door number two, but never recovered from the outlay.
adamsouza wrote: Kaladrax was a special case. It wasn't supposed to be that big of a model. The factory in China read the measurements wrong and cut molds for a much bigger model than planned.
That makes no sense. It's a sculpture, not a length of timber. You can't accidentally make a copy twice as big.
Yet, Reaper acknowledged it happened. Most likely a digital mixup that is easy to overlook when scrambling to complete a big kickstarter and workin with an overseas manufacturer.
Bearing in mind that the folks manning the CNC machine never got to see an original of the model - all that they had to go by was the digital file.
Stupid stuff happens - take a look at how long the Hubble was crippled by a measurement in Imperial that was read as Metric....
On the other hand... the accidental oversized skeletal dragon has apparently been selling well enough that they are deliberately making a dragon of that scale....
the undead dragon form Bones II, I always thought I wanted, but having seen it in person, it strikes me as sort of out-of-scale due to being very simple and very large. It breaks the barrier between toy and miniature for me, in the wrong direction.
Yeah, Kaladryx can look pretty goofy in person, since there's no easy way to hide the fact that the rib cage isnt hollow.
Bones are physically sculpted then 3D scanned. The digital files are sent to China, where they cut the steel mold. The peopel responsible for cutting the molds, never see the original models. There was a communication error. They jumbled the wingspan and hieght measurements and cut a mold for a much larger model than intended. This was all discussed years ago, when it happened.
Alex C wrote: Sir Forscale has balls of steel to go raising his sword in that room...
Actually, they're more of a spongy, resilient material.
I've heard.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okay, that new dwarf set makes up for a lot of past transgressions. Come here, Reaper; we're not broken, just bent, and we can learn to love again.
"In our haste, we accidentally included a dwarf in the Dwarves Core Addition goal for $1,900,000 that is already in the Core Set, and has been since the project launched.
We apologize for this error, and below are presenting the corrected image, with a dwarf which has not been previously a part of this project, Klaus Copperthumb, Dwarf Rogue."
More proof of Reaper's evil schemes! If we hadn't raised such a fuss they surely would have just given us the same miniature twice, just as planned to maximize their revenue! How dare they! How dumb do they think we are!
I'm on to you Reaper, I'm on to your schemes!!!!!1!!
lol -- On the Reaper forum threads, someone noted one of the Dwarves in pic is the same one on the throne in the $10 add-on! The dwarf on the lower left looks close enough.
I'd be surprised if we didn't hit the 1.9m target before I go to bed in 6-8 hours. Especially since the "48 hours remaining" reminder emails will be going out in like an hour and a half.
ced1106 wrote: lol -- On the Reaper forum threads, someone noted one of the Dwarves in pic is the same one on the throne in the $10 add-on! The dwarf on the lower left looks close enough.
Yeah, Reaper mentioned it was the same Dwarf King in the update as well. Kinda neat they would do that, although you have to purchase him on his throne seperately.
I'm sure some of you won't be happy that the graveyard golem doesn't have a big nasty scowlyface, but I like the irony of what should be a placid reverent cherub happily bludgeoning my players to death.
I actually like that face. It reminds me of the monster from Zeiram the Animation.. a smiling kabuki mask type thing on this huge murderous monster. If the 3rd part is good, this one will make a lot of people happy I'm sure.
The additional fencing being available is even better. People can expand out and create a proper graveyard. It would've been nice if they had tossed in some headstones with it but I guess those are easy enough to come by
Bossk_Hogg wrote: Graveyard is looking awesome so far! Hopefully they dont pooch it by cramming in a random selection of PC minis/townsfolk lol.
IIRC, The undertaker townsperson was in a previous KS. Skulls and gravestones would be useful?
UPDATE: Second column added to Graveyard expansion!
Thes Hunter 14 minutes ago
Core is currently at 138 minis (w/o the weapons or bases) – 72 cents per mini. - Most Smaller minis go for: $1.99 - $2.29 (64% - 69% off) ~23 smaller minis so far in core
- Most medium sized character minis go for $2.29 - $2.79 (69%-75% discount) 93 currently
- Most Large minis go for: $3.29 - $6.99 (79%-90% discount) ~ 22 ≥Large minis in core
- 25 one inch bases are $4.99, x2 (we get ~50) is $9.98 which people are getting for free
- 10 two inch bases are $4.99 x2 (we get ~20) is $9.98 again for free.
- The weapon sprues in metal cost ~$8.99 (but guessing from the familiars and rats would be Between $1.99 - $3.99 in Bones) again, x4 ($8-$16) for free.
Remember in metal all these things would be more expensive. But Bones Retail Value rough estimation w/ the 138 minis currently in the core, plus bases and weapons is ~ $430.48
But each person needs to find their own value in this.
Core is ridiculous but getting more than one core before finishing the first may be madness (for me). I like the well roundedness of the monsters in this one but I wanna get addons instead.
MLaw exalted for Zeram reference.... Now I need to source bits and craft my own in a fit of nostalgia!
Golem is sweet. Fence is nice. Add-on fence seems less value per cost V fence in expansion but maybe it's close than I think. Possibly get one set to extend and finish crypt.
Golem is awesome, much like. Other bits dint hurt, anxious for part 3.
Here is a preview of the one of the resin add on parts Jake has been designing. The resin tracks will be an upgrade kit available from Victoria Miniatures, once the Reaper Bones III Kickstarter ships.
Note, these tracks will not become available during the campaign, but only afterwards, when the campaign is over. It is however worth posting here for those who are on the fence about getting a gun, but do not like the wheels.
I can only place two of the heads. black should have the largest horns, but green would be a senior head to black. Heads could be repositioned I suppose but large horned heads would have to be on top
So, this is a mini based on a DnD creature based on a mythological creature/goddess, right? Are the colors of the heads important for DnD or because of the original myths?
Going for my own preferences, I think the first head wants to be black, the second green, the third two-tone blue, the fourth gold or yellow/orange, and the last red.
I may be influenced by how much fantasy art I've consumed uncritically over the years.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So, this is a mini based on a DnD creature based on a mythological creature/goddess, right? Are the colors of the heads important for DnD or because of the original myths?
Going for my own preferences, I think the first head wants to be black, the second green, the third two-tone blue, the fourth gold or yellow/orange, and the last red.
I may be influenced by how much fantasy art I've consumed uncritically over the years.
I believe Tiamat has a head for each of the styles of Dragons as she is the Queen/God of them.
Red Head breaths fire.
Green Head breaths acid.
Blue Head breaths lightning.
Can't honestly remember what the others breath.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: So, this is a mini based on a DnD creature based on a mythological creature/goddess, right? Are the colors of the heads important for DnD or because of the original myths?
Going for my own preferences, I think the first head wants to be black, the second green, the third two-tone blue, the fourth gold or yellow/orange, and the last red.
I may be influenced by how much fantasy art I've consumed uncritically over the years.
I believe Tiamat has a head for each of the styles of Dragons as she is the Queen/God of them.
Red Head breaths fire.
Green Head breaths acid.
Blue Head breaths lightning.
Can't honestly remember what the others breath.
Tiamiat is evil queen of the chromatic dragons. Metallic dragons are the good kind. Tiamit is also know as Tahkisis in dragonlance and happens to be "super hawt"
Tiamiat is evil queen of the chromatic dragons. Metallic dragons are the good kind. Tiamit is also know as Tahkisis in dragonlance and happens to be "super hawt"
Tiamat as depicted is purely a D&D thing and not really related at all to the Mesopotamian deity, where she is a primordial water mother goddess and/or embodiment of primordial chaos. She births other gods and monsters. There is some precedent for her being depicted in a sea serpent or dragon form, but the multi headed dragon is associated with Lotan in Ugaritic myth (Lam/Leviathan in Hebrew mythology).
MLaw wrote: I actually like that face. It reminds me of the monster from Zeiram the Animation.. a smiling kabuki mask type thing on this huge murderous monster. If the 3rd part is good, this one will make a lot of people happy I'm sure.
The additional fencing being available is even better. People can expand out and create a proper graveyard. It would've been nice if they had tossed in some headstones with it but I guess those are easy enough to come by
I totally agree! I kind of wish someone would do a line of minis from Zeiram, that was a cool looking future. The addition of extra fences is a nice touch too... I don't have any grave yard terrain, but I am very tempted to start some!
Wehrkind wrote: What is this, 1995? You could have saved more in less time by visiting Progressive!
I am torn on the golems. I kind of like the shipwreck one, but the coral golem, I am not so sure.
I am of the same opinion. However, I know that the Coral Golem has 3rd ed rules for DnD so.. it's usable.. which makes me even more frustrated. The shipwreck is kinda awesome.. I'm hoping we see Razig and company and that Dark Maiden (regular 28mm not the giant sized one).
I have a feeling my gamers are going to start expecting a golem to pop up out of every encounter after they see all of this. Golem golem prescious cough cough golem
Yeah... the cherubic angel face gone creepy is just awesome... I would *not* want one of those things rising up behind me in the cemetary, nuh uh.
I don't like the coral golem at all. It's not necessarily bad or anything... just don't jive with it.
The reanimated..pirate ship... is either stupid or brilliant... would really depend on your game. I think I like it, though having an arm mounted cannon pushes it a bit more towards steampunk than I'm comfortable with Still a nice set certainly worth the extra, for those who are interested.
Dying to know what's coming next in the graveyard expansion
I have an adventure in mind that will use the figures from the CMoN Rum and Bones set. There will be weresharks too. At one point.. there might be a small desert island, a sea witch...and.. now that I'm typing it out, it's starting to seem like that little desert island might get pretty crowded.. (imagining Battle Royale mixed with Pirates of the Carribean)
Yeah, the three friends who were going to back with me are running tight on cash, so I'm down from a full tier to just $26 in assorted stuff.
Think I'll snag the Torture Chamber pack, the Invisible Heroes, the Savage Worlds stuff, and one each of the Armoury of Virtue/Vice. Another $8 or so in shipping and that should cover me for what I want for the time being. There's other things I'd like, but those can wait for retail.
I'm glad the campaign is doing so well, and keep looking back at that Mystic Circle, but with Gencon looming I'm trying to keep my purchases down, and shipping/currency exchange add up quickly these days.
The main problem, though, is that not only do you pay postage for shipping, but the mini's go out of stock! I wanted the not-TARDIS but it was OOS. Naturally it was in stock a few days after I bought some other stuff from the OLGS!
Eh, FWP. I think if you think the shipwreck golem will look good, and think the coral one's only worth four bucks, then $12 for both is better than the OLGS. OTOH, there's still available cash to consider...
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The shipwreck golem looks great, but if sir forscale is intended for it as well it's just going to be too small
There's a human skull in the shipwreck. It looks to be roughly the same size as Sir Forscale. Too small is my general feeling too. Such a good idea though.. worth a scratchbuild for the proper size if nothing else!
There's a lot of "kinda big" stuff in this.. there's obviously one massive beast.. there's shub which is definitely big as are 1 or 2 of the dragons (the others are pretty big but I mean...whoah that's big sized). World Breaker and DDS, Cthulhu and Kaladrax. I kinda feel like we've seen the last of the truly massive stuff and will see at best a lot more kinda big stuff.
The main problem, though, is that not only do you pay postage for shipping, but the mini's go out of stock! I wanted the not-TARDIS but it was OOS. Naturally it was in stock a few days after I bought some other stuff from the OLGS!
Eh, FWP. I think if you think the shipwreck golem will look good, and think the coral one's only worth four bucks, then $12 for both is better than the OLGS. OTOH, there's still available cash to consider...
This is where it gets funny. People are using that 50% thing across the board. I pointed out to Reaper in the comments that not all of the retail are double their kickstarter prices and they admitted that a lot of them were at best 20% off. Usually, yes the biggest stuff is going to be a deep discount. However, there are some bones spiders at retail that are like 40 cents cheaper than the metal version. That's it. If they had been doubled, they would've been more expensive than the metal ones.
Likewise, some of the stuff like the previously mentioned manticore. If it gets doubled at retail and is $12, it will only be a few bucks cheaper than the metal version. It will more likely be $6-7. Again, Bryan mentioned that Reaper does not discount the stuff that will be popular as much as others as a way of subsidizing the cost or somesuch business speak. Looking at the cost of the existing Bones Ogres.. if they double the cost of the ogres from the add-on, it'll be bad. If the double the cost of the core ogres, then that set will be insanely cheap at retail. Considering most of the existing ogres are only a few bucks, I think it will be somewhere in the middle.
My point to all of this.. the 50% thing is an arbitrary number. However, people have been treating it like it's the baseline. The truth is that the % is all over the place. That truth also means that some of this stuff is not that good of a deal.
Sounds like TV channel packages; a bunch get crammed together and in order to get 'the good stuff' you end up subsidizing the others a little bit.
And while I'm sure they have stats on demand for their metal figures, that kind of thing can shift, especially with a new price point, which is to say that they might not necessarily know up front what the 'hot stuff' will be with certainty.
If a popular figure only getting a 20% discount means that some other less popular figures can get a 40% discount (which in turn makes them more attractive, thus bumping sales up), fair enough.
Let's also keep in mind we're talking about $5-10 figures in a lot of cases. I'm sure there's a lot of costs/estimations/praying that goes into pricing some of those giant dragons out, especially since the demand/production run may be much smaller as well. But if we're talking 20% vs 40% off a $5 figure, is it really big enough to sweat the buck? Sure, in aggregate across dozens or hundreds of figures it adds up a little, but I'm willing to accept a bit of fudging on the backend/behind the scenes to keep things moving.
Different shapes, amounts of material, complexity of design to get the best result with the least amount of headache, these are all things (among many) that Reaper has to sort out.
At the end of the day if it means that my Torture Chamber set is a dollar or two more expensive than it 'should be', that's something I'm willing to accept. And the real meat is the main tier/box, which is absolutely a deal (in terms of dollar amount versus box contents; whether or not people actually give a gak for enough of the figures to really make it worthwhile is an individual choice, but it's looking like at least 1/3 to 1/4 MSRP by the looks of it, and we're not even done filling it out).
Also, there's some adorable sci-fi in the update that's probably going to make at least one person here angry.
Darn all of these weapon packs lol, they're really neat and I want. That's the trap though, as soon as you spend even 10 dollars on the core set in your projections you start to think of how much opportunity cost you're 'paying', why.. if I just spent the other 90 I'd get everything I want from core and ALL THE OTHER THINGS... damn dirty tempters!
Mouselings are kind of funny, space mouslings are kind of funnier... still don't want any.. but some people will probably be happy to see them.
That's ridiculous, MLaw. It was a tiny, furry finger. Like being flicked off by Rocket. They have been teasing that Exosuit though. I imagine tomorrow is going to be absurd.
Gitzbitah wrote: That's ridiculous, MLaw. It was a tiny, furry finger. Like being flicked off by Rocket. They have been teasing that Exosuit though. I imagine tomorrow is going to be absurd.
I'm wearing a Rocket shirt lol..
GrimDork- They have everything you would need for a Shadowrun party. They have some interesting aliens that haven't been added to bones. They could make stealth versions of some of the modern/sci-fi stuff for optical camo. They could release more objective type scatter terrain. They could do any of their generic superhero stuff. Reaper has good sci-fi but they act like they have no idea of that fact.
MLaw wrote: Am I the only one that feels like they just gave a big middle finger to everyone asking for sci-fi?
I can see why you would think that, but those Mouselings are better than most of their sci fi Bones stuff which is, imho, 80% garbage.
The sci-fi bones? Eh.. It's got some usable stuff IMO. Reaper is just making asinine decisions where sci-fi is concerned. The metal greys aren't that expensive and they look 100% better than the bones ones, the Bathalians are pretty situational but make decent hostile aliens. The sci-fi humans work as some type of infantry or futuristic police force maybe like Lone Star in Shadowrun.. etc.
You can still late pledge to HiNT (I think).. Not exactly anything close to an amazing deal on minis but since it's a game too.. plus everything is super shadowrun.
I really wish they'd go that direction with at least a core add-on if not an expansion.
So, what's everyone's take on the graveyard. I was hoping for a bit more chunky scenery, but given the crypt and fencing that was probably just wishful thinking.
Can't get a feel for how large the carrion worm is, though it *is* a useful monster to have around. And the European style sarcophagus is neat.
Female wraith/shade/reaper/whatever is uhh... one of the hotter minis in the campaign? Well I guess if you're going to have your soul cleaved from your body, may as well have that one last erection!
I can't decide if the last bit is solid or meh, what do you guys think? Gotta figure it out by tomorrow (or in the coming months on the PM, but I'd like to contribute *now* if I'm going to) if I'm to add to the total.
ced1106 wrote: Third video, including the Victoria Sledgehammer and five-headed dragon. DWARF UNMOUNTS FROM PONY.
Graveyard expansion completely unlocked!
There're lots of good minis in the late addition: the Skeleton King, undead wolves, statued tombstones, pumpkin goblins, and the rest. Only downside to it, imo, is that some of them are concept work at the moment.
Well, the graveyard is certainly *functional*. Aside from the minions (awww.. cute RUN AWAY RUN AWAY), creepyface golemn, and carrion worm, you can use the graveyard set in generic fantasy, Cthulhu, and modern day -- including the wolves. The death figures can be used as Nedcromancers in Zombicide. If Zombicide has a gravestone tile, the terrain can be used there. The various arches I hope can be used with dungeon tiles. Might be amusing to put a crypt inside a dungeon...
GrimDork wrote: I dunno. Maybe? I mean they already had a space mouseling before this. They probably always intended to produce them.
Does Reaper even have all that much Scifi to convert to bones or would it have to be new stuff?
They have los of sci fi stuff, including a whole bunch of superheroes they haven't really tapped. I would love to see more cyborgs, robots, power armor and time agents in Bones, as well as some aliens, like the Andromedans or Illyrians. Plus they can easily sculpt more, including heavy weapons for the digitally sculpted IMEF marines.
That said, I have no problem with sci fi mouselings. athey already have quite a few fantasy mouselings, so why not? I'll even buy a few when they hit retail. If they made that Warhamster clad in shoulderpad armor in Bones, I'd buy him now.
Now, in graveyard set 3, I like the cut of Dead Sauron's jib, but why a Bowie knife? Didn't they learn from the Bones 1 assassin? Good thing the're making a weapons upgrade kit.
GrimDork wrote: So, what's everyone's take on the graveyard. I was hoping for a bit more chunky scenery, but given the crypt and fencing that was probably just wishful thinking.
Can't get a feel for how large the carrion worm is, though it *is* a useful monster to have around. And the European style sarcophagus is neat.
Female wraith/shade/reaper/whatever is uhh... one of the hotter minis in the campaign? Well I guess if you're going to have your soul cleaved from your body, may as well have that one last erection!
I can't decide if the last bit is solid or meh, what do you guys think? Gotta figure it out by tomorrow (or in the coming months on the PM, but I'd like to contribute *now* if I'm going to) if I'm to add to the total.
The Dire Maggot is about Ogre height. It's in the Reapercon picture gallery. It's not small for sure. The various ghostly beings are kinda neat.. I hope they're transluscent. The ghoul hound whatever dogs.. Those are neat but you can bits order the GW dire wolves for cheap enough and I think I prefer the GW sculpts in that instance. A good paintjob might change my opinion though. Pricing it out, this is definitely better than retail by a long shot "if" you're happy with everything. My personal opinion is if you have the cash and don't have a graveyard.. then get it. I would've liked for the little pumpkin heads to be more weird skeletons or zombies from demi-humans (hobgoblin zombie and skeleton for a specific d&d module ) The tombstone golem steals the show and the crypt is nice. IMO it would pair really well with that Pegasus gothic building set or the Puppetwars modular church.
I think the Dwarf pugs would be the better move Our daughter loves the Bones Dragons, but I have so many already...
Reaper: do some like ogre sized ducks or geese in Bones. Were-geese, I don't care. That would be a big selling point Little Olive's first real word, and still consistent favorite is "duck".
GrimDork wrote: So, what's everyone's take on the graveyard. I was hoping for a bit more chunky scenery, but given the crypt and fencing that was probably just wishful thinking.
Can't get a feel for how large the carrion worm is, though it *is* a useful monster to have around. And the European style sarcophagus is neat.
Female wraith/shade/reaper/whatever is uhh... one of the hotter minis in the campaign? Well I guess if you're going to have your soul cleaved from your body, may as well have that one last erection!
I can't decide if the last bit is solid or meh, what do you guys think? Gotta figure it out by tomorrow (or in the coming months on the PM, but I'd like to contribute *now* if I'm going to) if I'm to add to the total.
Hmmm, not sure if the Reaper Lady is a psychopomp or an avatar of Pharasma for Pathfinder....
Graveyard looks like win across the board. Shipwreck golem is also great. Sadly I can't add them without going over the 150 EUR threshold where customs hit me with extra tax on top of the normal import tax. I think I can just squeeze in the froggoloth though.
I'm in for 3 sledgehammers. I'm torn on the not Tiamat. I would love to use it as a centerpiece of terrain for an Alpha Legion board, but $60 is a lot for something unseen, especially when I''m guessing $100 msrp, so ~$80 online.
Finally, a pack of wings in Bones. Feathered or draconian wings would have been even more useful, but I'm still going to buy a ton and glue them to all kinds of things.
For a creature with wings, that air elemental sure seems to work her legs vigorously.
Never been involved in Bones before, but this looks too good to resist...however to be honest I'm really only after figs for Cthulu and the new Conan game.... so the Mythos stuff is a given, and beyond that I don't like the dragon model in the Conan kickstarter, so wanted to pick one of these figs as a substitute....but then beyond that I'm not sure - anyone else pondering what to get, without going insane and buying for the sake of it? I could probably spend the money elsewhere, so want to be reasonably sensible in my acquisitions.
Surprised they didn't include mephits of some sort . Also kinda feel like the air elementals have more of a fire elemental look.. but .. I guess it boils down to the paintjob. They have nicer air elementals in their catalog though :/
Glitzbitah: So, you're saying she's an antimantic?
Pretty Deadly? That seems like such a shallow measure of a real deadly woman. Some of the deadliest women I know are deadly because of their intangible qualities, such as their killer intellect and cold, calculating personalities. Why can't we value a woman's holistic deadliness?
Yes, I'm just bitter because no one calls me handsome deadly. But I swear I'm deadly on the inside.
I'm looking at the metal version of the dragon in the new stretchgoal. It's legs alone are about 4" on the old sculpt.
This is the old version just to give you a rough idea of the size the new one might be.
While that's big and all.. I kinda feel like anyone who got DDS for a big dragon for gaming will feel like this is redundant. I do know that there are pokemaster reaper fans out there though who are going to buy it because reasons.
eddieazrael wrote: Never been involved in Bones before, but this looks too good to resist...however to be honest I'm really only after figs for Cthulu and the new Conan game.... so the Mythos stuff is a given, and beyond that I don't like the dragon model in the Conan kickstarter, so wanted to pick one of these figs as a substitute....but then beyond that I'm not sure - anyone else pondering what to get, without going insane and buying for the sake of it? I could probably spend the money elsewhere, so want to be reasonably sensible in my acquisitions.
Don't sweat it! Especially with overseas, you're fine just picking up whatever you like the best. Among Zombicide: Black Plague, TerraTiles (currently going on), Nuclear War (same), and Reaper (at least the PDFs are free!), I guess I should be glad I didn't have plans to go to GenCon!
MLaw wrote: While that's big and all.. I kinda feel like anyone who got DDS for a big dragon for gaming will feel like this is redundant. I do know that there are pokemaster reaper fans out there though who are going to buy it because reasons.
Yeah, our cup runneth over with dragons. I appreciate the new and weird, like the Frogoloth and Shipwreck golems a lot more at this point.
So far this feels like a really underwhelming run-up to the end. I seem to remember Bones II being much more exciting, but maybe that's just faulty memory, I don't know.
Risible wrote: So far this feels like a really underwhelming run-up to the end. I seem to remember Bones II being much more exciting, but maybe that's just faulty memory, I don't know.
They are doing the hourly unlocks now but with one of them guaranteed to be the female characters it loses a lot of oomf IMO. There's stretch goals on top of that too though, which tend to be two at a time as well.. so..maybe. If they paced it right they could do expansion 4.. if they really wanted to.. which.. I kinda feel like they don't at this point.
Ehh bones 2 ended with lame not-model stretchgoals like pies in the face didn't it? They hit their mark and were done with it, this one may at least have some stuff left to try and unlock at the end.
And Curse Reaper's black heart(s), between talking myself into core, graveyard, corsairs, and crusaders... that's 178..
Went ahead and pledged it. Oh wait.. frost giants too, yeah. So I guess they'll get it unless I come to my senses by the end of the run.
), but looks like another expansion I can pass on.
As is that crypt! Can't wait to see them unlocked.
I genuinely don't know if it'll work out cheaper than retail at $120 + 20% + £12 handling.
I wanted the not-TARDIS but it was OOS. Naturally it was in stock a few days after I bought some other stuff from the OLGS! 
