At this point, I added the $15 to my pledge for one. I think I will also pay my shipping after the campaign. That way i can lock in for more mini's now and worry about paying shipping latter. I'm in Wave 3 anyway lol
$850K Stonehengalike unlocked! $15
$890K Small Bases!
$925K Ogres!
$1M Paint Set B. Good set, especially if you're starting out. $20 for 12 paints.
$1M Lady on dragon. $10.
I always wanted that mini since i 1st saw it when getting into this hobby. The expenses and headache of a metal mini that big keep me from buying it. I will be putting down for her ASAP when she unlocks.
If you gave me the option to get lots of individual models for $2 each rather than $10 OR one Dragon for $10/$15 rather than $60 I know I would be picking the Dragon option every time.
Tamereth wrote: Still not taken by the core set, but in for a $1, the mystic circle and Lavarath. Might go for the giants as well.
Hoping they pick up the pace with the stretch goals, there seems to be too much of a gap between them so far.
Same here. And I agree. There is a pretty large gap but then again I just want more terrain so whatever
They have said that they are spreading out the stretch goals in the beginning compared to last time in order to have shorter stretches between them in the middle of the campaign. They are hoping that doing it this way will keep momentum going through the middle of the campaign, and will keep stretch goals unlocking consistently throughout the entire campaign.
I hope they don't spread things out too evenly and kill interest in their product by keeping the momentum... at too sedate a pace. I can think of one recent kickstarter that planned out the timing for every reveal and stretch goal, and that campaign made less than a fifth of what the 'industry experts' the creators consulted had predicted.
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I'm thinking about throwing in on this -- I mean, it's a huge supply of stuff for me to paint/dick with that has no impact on any real gaming. Hell, my daughter would probably really dig painting some of these too.
Some of those larger models for 10$ are pretty damn sweet
Edit: Ok, I'm in for 200$. feth it, if nothing else it gives my daughter lots to mess with so she'll quit asking for my skaven
In for a buck, stonehenge, 6-9 ogres, the frost giants and a couple dragons. If they let me buy the 24 bonus figures I might add those too.
The core set is pretty unimpressive. I already have a crapton of middling quality PC types from the first Bones, I dont need 40 more in a hodgepodge. If I want some random dude with a sword or a mage, I could get the one I want right now for like $2.50, as opposed to over a year later. I suspect those who backed bones 1 and 2 are feeling the same. All in all, it's a decent value if you dont already have a glut of figures and don't mind waiting a year for essentially what you can already get right now.
Yeah, I think in the pledge manager I may just ignore the core, get the swarms, and use the rest on different addons. I'm getting the feeling this will be an addon heavy campaign- I'm sure there are more big critters and terrain yet to be revealed, and I highly doubt they'll be added to the core.
Reaper released the core sub-sets, so ROW's can pick-and-choose miniature sets, and backers can get duplicates. You can't get the 24 bonus figures separately (some of the bonus figures are from existing Bones).
Prices are, of course, higher than per figure with the core pledge (you can't just ship without handling), and they lumped the Base set figures together. No sign of a multiple donkey set, aka. Assageddon.
I like how they divided the subsets into groups just the right size to each contain enough miniatures that no one wants in order to make the deals worse than waiting for retail. Thank you for making that decision for me, Reaper.
Is not Reaper going to do a PPM Kickstarter later this fall? Could have sworn I heard that.
I can't be the only person who collects PPM, no painting is awesome. Between my old WotC D&D and Dreamblade minis and new Widkids Pathfinder and D&D lines, the larger scale, having to paint; its hard to spend any money here. Almost nothing I don't already have something i like better.
Would anybody rebuy pre-painted versions of the same stuff?
Yes there is a such thing a dragon burnout. Ask the people with almost every dragon WotC, Paizo/Wizkids, WotC/Wizkids, McFarlane has done how many more dragons they want.
"The cost breakdowns on converting Bones to LE are interesting. LE figures cost more per unit (significantly more, not just pennies but 500-1000%) but we don't have to buy a new mold. We do have to buy masks for painting, so what's crazy it that setup for a new color-run of LE is within a hundred bucks or so of setup for a brand new mold for Bones. You got 4-6 figures per mold, so that's 4-6 new SETS of masks, and then by the time you've ordered the minimum quantities of all 6 models at 5x-10x the Bones cost for the same minimum run, yeah, the prices are nearly the same. And then LE retail for ~3x more, so there's slightly more profit per mini (10% of $4 is more than 10% of $2) but we sell slightly fewer. It's a crazy thing to analyze, and I'll admit that I;ve spent significant time analyzing these number sin committee, I'm spending less and less energy looking at LE as we ramp up for a Bones 3 launch in 4 weeks." -- ReaperBryan
You've heard how you can convert Bones. So here're some weapons. Or just stick 'em on your weapons rack for HeroQuest! Only 25K away!
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I like how they divided the subsets into groups just the right size to each contain enough miniatures that no one wants in order to make the deals worse than waiting for retail. Thank you for making that decision for me, Reaper.
Besides the base set all of them share a common theme. Are you just wanting something like one or two specific yetis?
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JNC wrote: Is not Reaper going to do a PPM Kickstarter later this fall? Could have sworn I heard that.
I can't be the only person who collects PPM, no painting is awesome. Between my old WotC D&D and Dreamblade minis and new Widkids Pathfinder and D&D lines, the larger scale, having to painting its hard to spend any money here. Almost nothing I don't have something i like better.
Would anybody rebuy pre-painted versions of the same stuff?
Yes there is a such thing a dragon burnout. Ask the people with almost every dragon WotC, Paizo/Wizkids, WotC/Wizkids, McFarlane has done how many more dragons they want.
I personally would not buy prepainted versions of miniatures I already had. Debatable if I would buy prepainted anything at all miniature related.
From Victoria Lamb's own news thread and Facebook page:
Here you go, this should start to answer some questions. More images on the way This should be added to the Kickstarter sometime in the second half of the campaign.
I think this should be an awesome incentive for those still on the fence.
"Hi Folks, I’m very excited to announce Jake and I have been invited to create a special project which will be a part of the current Reaper Bones III Kickstarter. This will be a special 'guest spot' for a Victoria Miniatures piece, and will appear approximately half way through the campaign. This piece is being specifically designed with Bones in mind, it will be cast in grey PVC, not the usual Bones white.
I assure you I have no intention (or the cash) at this point, to retool the entire range in PVC. This project is currently a one off, that will give me the experience of working on project for metal tooling, and will expose Vic Minis to a whole new audience. It will be a good learning exercise, and I look forward to hearing customer feedback. It gives Jake and I the chance to make a big plastic kit without the usual risk and expense. Best of all Bones will enable us to offer if for an insanely cheap price if purchased as part of the KS. It will also be available after the KS from Vic Minis, and we have lots of resin add ons already in the works.
It’s still a work in progress so I'll be posting some more pics in the next few days.
While it'd be nice to have a breakdown of the 'core set' and the option to buy extras of the extras (the ratmen and spiders or whatever), I can respect them not wanting to go 100% 'a la carte' and having demarcation points somewhere.
Also, most of the non-core breakdowns seem to be 3-6 figures for $5-8, which seems quite reasonable for those in need of a few more of X and Y.
Hopefully we'll get a breakdown with more gradiation present before the end, but at least now we have a baseline to work from.
And I entirely agree, this is the core set and extra options approaching 1 million dollars. I'm sure that 2 weeks from now when we're at 2 million or more (I hope we surpass Bones II, but I'm not expecting it) it'll be another story entirely.
breaking it up like that really allows me to decide if I want to drop a hundo on the base pledge, or spend roughly that on the parts I'd actually use.
Right now, I"m at 36 bucks to get a set of Ogres, three sets of goblins, and two sets of Orcs. Adding in the lizard men will eventually run about $40, unless they add a group by there.
I'll be watching the core pledge to see if the gap between what I'd spend on what I know I'll use, and just going whole hog, actually makes sense.
Polonius wrote: breaking it up like that really allows me to decide if I want to drop a hundo on the base pledge, or spend roughly that on the parts I'd actually use.
Right now, I"m at 36 bucks to get a set of Ogres, three sets of goblins, and two sets of Orcs. Adding in the lizard men will eventually run about $40, unless they add a group by there.
I'll be watching the core pledge to see if the gap between what I'd spend on what I know I'll use, and just going whole hog, actually makes sense.
AFAIK, the lizardmen bonus won't be available as a separate purchase. They will likely release additional lizards though further in.
Polonius wrote: breaking it up like that really allows me to decide if I want to drop a hundo on the base pledge, or spend roughly that on the parts I'd actually use.
Right now, I"m at 36 bucks to get a set of Ogres, three sets of goblins, and two sets of Orcs. Adding in the lizard men will eventually run about $40, unless they add a group by there.
I'll be watching the core pledge to see if the gap between what I'd spend on what I know I'll use, and just going whole hog, actually makes sense.
AFAIK, the lizardmen bonus won't be available as a separate purchase. They will likely release additional lizards though further in.
That's my thought, especially since two are already in bones. So I'm figuring retail on those. OTOH, the lizardmen aren't as key for me as, say, orcs and goblins.
Like a lot of Dakkanauts, I'm into these kickstarters for the stuff doesn't make sense in metal: big monstors, terrain, and hordes. I'm using these kickstarters as a way to build up a collection of minis to have on hand for RPGs or skirmish games, and there's a limit to how many wizards I need! Clearly somebody is buying PC models in Bones, but it's not me. That said, I've found that with a unified paint scheme, you can build interesting NPC groups out of the bones stuff.
As was pointed out on the KS comments, they didn't break down the initial 30 figure 'core' in Bones 2, and apparently the 'bonus figures' are existing Bones (I haven't checked if this is true with B3), so we can already buy more if we so desire, but due to KS's issues with selling things that already exist (but apparently not giving them away?) the bonus stuff may not get separated out.
Which is fine by me, no harm in asking, but now it seems to be a simple matter of determining whether my buddy and I want to get a single tier and split it, or two tiers, or what. Hopefully he and I want different things (or minimal overlap in the Core at least). I can't see much value in buying multiple Core 30 packs; once you're in for $60 for 30 figures, adding another $40 to get an extra 70'ish+ more seems like a hell of a deal, which is probably intentional.
Probably wait until the last 2-3 days and try to sort out what he absolutely wants to have, what I want to have, and price out where that falls between 1 tier + add ons, or just 2 tiers (and still save on shipping). I'll definitely be sorting out some 'must haves' for Shadows of Brimstone games (variety in figures and alternate paint schemes), but until we settle close to the end, it'll be a moving target to finalize.
The lycantrhopes and ogres are the best thing about this ATM There are lots of other things I like about it but man, they just fit the bill on so many things I needed.
I love Bebop and the werewolf, but the gorilla thing isn't doing it for me. For me, every subset of the base pledge has one or two minis that look really good, then the rest are either decent with a poor pose or gummy details, or outright bad; the net result is that the subsets cost more than I would spend at retail since I'd only want one ogre or one yeti from those groups.
Half of the dragons in this campaign are also pretty lackluster, compared to just one goofy dragon and some boring ones in Bones 2.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I like how they divided the subsets into groups just the right size to each contain enough miniatures that no one wants in order to make the deals worse than waiting for retail. Thank you for making that decision for me, Reaper.
The orcs, goblins, ogres and yetis are all tightly focused enough to be good picks if you want more, the others I agree with you on. However they arent going to offer each individual figure as an add on, nor should they. It would be a logistical nightmare in fulfillment.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I like how they divided the subsets into groups just the right size to each contain enough miniatures that no one wants in order to make the deals worse than waiting for retail. Thank you for making that decision for me, Reaper.
The orcs, goblins, ogres and yetis are all tightly focused enough to be good picks if you want more. They arent going to offer each individual figure as an add on, nor should they.
Yeah, they are great for war gamers. Especially war gamers who don't have a thousand Bones minis from two previous campaigns already. At this point, I'm going to be a little more choosy.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I like how they divided the subsets into groups just the right size to each contain enough miniatures that no one wants in order to make the deals worse than waiting for retail. Thank you for making that decision for me, Reaper.
The orcs, goblins, ogres and yetis are all tightly focused enough to be good picks if you want more. They arent going to offer each individual figure as an add on, nor should they.
Yeah, they are great for war gamers. Especially war gamers who don't have a thousand Bones minis from two previous campaigns already. At this point, I'm going to be a little more choosy.
I'm largely in the same boat. I'm in for add ons only. Though I think the ogres are a really good deal at $6 for 3. They're generic poses/gear so I'll probably get at least 2 of that set. In D&D you tend to fight a decent number of them given they arent high level critters.
I already have a bunch of generic Bones orcs and ogres...
I'll probably buy the mole rat ogre in the Marvel Comics pose just because he looks like a boss, but the others I can pass up. I won't need orcs or goblins for years. I could probably use the ones I have as treats for training my dog to do a new trick and still have more than enough.
The crusaders and Terran Marines are both sets I would buy through the campaign, but I suspect shipping will eliminate any savings I would get for buying them a year in advance.
Its not even worth bothering with this campaign for me with shipping cost plus the crazy drop in $CDN value. Interestingly for regular retail reaper offers free shipping to Canada but doesnt offer it for the kickstarter campaigns. Im really curious about why. Why ecen bother providing free shipping to canada for regular purchases? As far as i know theyre the only minis retailer to do it. Im not sure if its because of a deal with RAFM or not.
greywulf wrote: Its not even worth bothering with this campaign for me with shipping cost plus the crazy drop in $CDN value. Interestingly for regular retail reaper offers free shipping to Canada but doesnt offer it for the kickstarter campaigns. Im really curious about why. Why ecen bother providing free shipping to canada for regular purchases? As far as i know theyre the only minis retailer to do it. Im not sure if its because of a deal with RAFM or not.
At the Reaper webstore, you pay full MSRP. "Free shipping" is never free, and, at the free shipping threshold, the company makes enough money from your purchase to pay for shipping. I imagine Reaper will still not pay customs and other fees. Several ROW posters said that, even with shipping and other fees, the Reaper KS is *still* less expensive than what they would pay retail. If you only want a few pieces from the KS, stick to the $1 level and pick up only the pieces you really want.
Yea, I am not sure where the "ROW subsides free US shipping" comes from. It seems more likely that the shipping to the US is built into the base price, and ROW pays on top. If anything, people living close to TX subsidize people who live far away in the US.
I suppose it is possible that it is not true, but considering how few ROW backers there are going to be due to the really quite high ROW shipping charges there is really going to be very little subsidy for US backers.
If they use flat rate boxes domestically, US shipping might not change much (assuming similar size at least) whether it's down the street or on the other side of the continent.
But yeah, this many campaigns in I'd assume they have a solid grasp on shipping and whatever amount is 'baked in' to the tier covers most or all of US domestic.
With differing costs based on country of origin for ROW folks, nobody but Reaper knows where that line lands, but at least with Bones 1 (with the figures they gave at the beginning of Bones 2), they spent nearly half a million dollars on freight/UPS/USPS alone, so it's a sizable portion of their campaign no matter how we cut it.
And frankly, with the deal we've got (and the deal we'll have once two weeks have elapsed) I'm not going to quibble over $5 or $10 in shipping.
I'm not too convinced that, unlike CMON and Mantic, Reaper will make KS part of its business model. If it doesn't, it explains why Reaper hasn't put more effort in overseas fulfillment centers. Sticking to roleplaying games, Reaper didn't go after wargames or boardgames, either. CMON and Mantic did, and had phenomenal growth in the last few years, no doubt in part thanks to KS as a business model. Reaper already has a skirmish game, Warlord, but if you saw the video I reposted, Reaper said they didn't have the expertise to publish books. Given how CMON and Mantic show how well the model of "giving away software to sell hardware" works, I personally think that this is a mistake, as is focusing on roleplayers as a target audience.
We'll see in ten or twenty years. Maybe I'll have finished painting my Bones by then!
HisDivineShadow wrote: Are the paints any good? I haven't tried reaper paint but the nmm gold trio interests me...
Great actually. I got a few in my own paint box. I just don't use them as much as vallajo since I can get the latter locally. But I like their blueish greys they make for painting drow skin. No one else really sells that.
Yep. Good. If you're a new painter, though, you might want to start with more opaque paints, such as their HD paints, or Army Painter sets.
Our original Master Series Paint was designed by Anne Foerster, who is a multiple international award winning painter, who said I need a paint I don’t have to futz with. She had been using a couple of our competitors GW and Citadel and Vallejo and some of those, and was always adding additives and additional mixtures and working to make the paint work. She said I want to make one that works the way I want it. So she developed our Master Series Paint. We’ve been working on that for years now and it’s been incredibly popular. But one of the biggest complaints we got was because it’s designed by a pro painter, with layering and blending and those kinds of techniques in mind, it’s a little thing and doesn’t have tremendously good coverage. It does cover but sometimes you need two or three or four coats because we wanted to layer with it and blend with it. So we developed the HD paints so that we have a one or two coat solution. We have a one coat solution on everything but our red. Our HD Red I believe still requires two coats. But even the HD yellow is a one coat coverage over your primer and it’s amazing. So it’s really great for your based coat, really great for your foundation. Or if you are a novice painter it’s really good to get you started in painting without having to worry about all the techniques of an advanced painter.
I like dragons, but I wish they would do some other kinds of large monsters, like Chimera, Manticore, Wyvern, etc. That would be nice for me, because I'm trying to complete my Warhammer Quest monsters, and could save a lot of money if more of them could be had in bones.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I like dragons, but I wish they would do some other kinds of large monsters, like Chimera, Manticore, Wyvern, etc. That would be nice for me, because I'm trying to complete my Warhammer Quest monsters, and could save a lot of money if more of them could be had in bones.
Reaper Bones Project Preview no.2
Hi, I have frantically been working on the crew. There will be 3 Women and 3 Men, here's 2 of the ladies. More previews coming soon.
So when are they likely to add an expansion on? It seems to have stabilized at one stretch goal a day or so, with a very lively comments presence by reaper maintaining interest. The core still looks half finished compared to Bones 2.
Did they keep adding to the core once the expansions were out with 2, or did they finish it first?
A set I actually like. But I think I can still just wait till retail for these and cherry pick the ones I want. I might not save as much, but the piles (multiple s) won't get too much bigger.
The reason I have always skipped.reaper.kickstarters personally .is that while the price per model is usually great it'd false economy for me.as.I know full well I would probably.only use and.paint about half.if it so.for me waiting for retail is the better option. For this who want a gak load of assorted models howevef it's an utter bargain.
Theophony wrote: A set I actually like. But I think I can still just wait till retail for these and cherry pick the ones I want. I might not save as much, but the piles (multiple s) won't get too much bigger.
I'm looking at the Bones Townfolk in the Reaper store, and they're $2.50 each. FRPGames has them for $2 before shipping (out of stock). The KS is selling human figures at about $1.25 each?
So if you're only interested in one or two of them, you should be good. Three or more, you're paying more in retail, sales tax, and/or shipping.
Mid-campaign doldrums. They happen even with shorter projects.
Good thing they stretched out those early goals to help with the pacing.
Worked great!
I'm kind of glad they did it that way, unironically.
Look at it this way; if they sort out that it'd cost 75k to do a figure (molds and materials, etc), having that clear during the beginning when funding is fast and furious makes sense. Doing it at the end is also fine, but there's only so much you want to back-load things, and doing it in the middle would be even worse.
Hopefully getting the first expansion popped out will help as well.
The expansion looks decent so far, but I really wish they wouldn't waste so many stretch goal slots drawing out the rest of its contents. That's just pointless when we all know they aren't going to leave any expansion half-unlocked at closing time.
Anyway, the Worzel lensdragon and the brain in the jar are must buys for me, and the bear would really appeal to my son. I think the succubus has enough attitude to pull off the outfit without it coming across as insulting fanservice for my wife.
Treeman is cool but kind of random. The armadillo can team up with Bebop and some of the mutant turtles. I wouldn't throw away Nazi Minotaur, but I don't feel like he adds a whole lot of value to the set, either.
The gremlin-goblin-munchie-gnome-named-Gnorm things are going right to the dog bowl.
Three whole miniatures based on a forgotten Tim Burton movie? What is this, a Hot Topic?
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Sinful Hero wrote: Seems to have a more coherent theme this time- these models are all monsters/villains at least.
Worzel's a good guy. Just because he assisted at least one genocide does not make him a villain.
Took me a minute to remember the Tim Burton reference, Bob. I think this is the first time I have ever seen anyone mention it. There are a few resemblances there.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: The expansion looks decent so far, but I really wish they wouldn't waste so many stretch goal slots drawing out the rest of its contents. That's just pointless when we all know they aren't going to leave any expansion half-unlocked at closing time.
Anyway, the Worzel lensdragon and the brain in the jar are must buys for me, and the bear would really appeal to my son. I think the succubus has enough attitude to pull off the outfit without it coming across as insulting fanservice for my wife.
Treeman is cool but kind of random. The armadillo can team up with Bebop and some of the mutant turtles. I wouldn't throw away Nazi Minotaur, but I don't feel like he adds a whole lot of value to the set, either.
The gremlin-goblin-munchie-gnome-named-Gnorm things are going right to the dog bowl.
Three whole miniatures based on a forgotten Tim Burton movie? What is this, a Hot Topic?
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Sinful Hero wrote: Seems to have a more coherent theme this time- these models are all monsters/villains at least.
Worzel's a good guy. Just because he assisted at least one genocide does not make him a villain.
Tree-man is a nod to those of us in the comments section asking for plant monsters. There will likely be more. There's probably another Direbear in the mystery sections as well since they had 2 on show at Reapercon. Nightmare Before Christmas isn't really forgotten but it's more based on 9 and actual golems. Reaper is heavily invested in RPG minis and this time around they're hitting up a number of golems and lycanthropes that are common.
A huge portion of stuff you're seeing is a direct result of people in comments requesting things, so if you want to see something come throw your vote in. Just be mindful that it's frowned upon to trash talk what others are wanting to see.. at least there.
I originally interpreted the behir as a chinese dragon. Sculpt a mane on that thing and it would work well! Some neat stuff in the expansion to pick up at retail if nothing else. I like the brain in a jar!
I'd settle for a front entryway of a castle, or a tower of some sort- preferably that opens up and has levels to put figures inside. Some sort of completed scenery piece to pay with.
...Actually it sounds like I just want Castle Greyskull.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was another pure scifi expansion. Maybe they'll get around to doing some sort of support vehicles to go with their IMEF or Nova Corp.
re:Sci-Fi - It's very likely that the IMEF Bulldog (about the size of a 40k dread) will be added. It's also very likely that there will be an entire expansion for Sci-Fi.. so.. yeah.. I'm hopeful. ReaperBryan has hinted that there is definitely more sci-fi to come but won't go into anything close to specifics.
I will say that the expansion is currently adding $2.50 to the (admittedly $50) shipping cost, which is rather better than the $25 in shipping the Bones II expansions did! And that I'm finding the models in this to be much more interesting - not as gonkish, and (minotaur aside) not repeating things that I already have.
The Chinese dragon is just spectacular, although I don't have a good idea about size/dimensions/final shape. Where's Forscale when you need him? Is the succubus human-sized or a Bloodthirster?
Why do people keep calling that thing a Chinese Dragon?? Because it's skinny? Count the number of legs. Chinese Dragons are only supposed to have four.
I don't know where you guys live, but around here a person's number of extraneous limbs is considered a more important identifying characteristic than his BMI.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Wish they made an SF themed Bones too much Fantasy stuff for my taste
Yeah.. I mentioned that and got freakin mobbed in the comments section. Every now and then there's some love for sci-fi though. I'm trying to push for a set of some of their Shadowrun type guys or more Not-Starcraft stuff.
Given that we have "not-quite-Starcraft Marines" as add ons, I do hope that like Bones II we do see some modern/sci-fi stuff tucked into the lineup (perhaps an Expansion like last time), but I doubt we'll see a very extensive amount added.
Looking over the core set, add ons and whatnot thus far, there's a rather fantasy based common element present...
Sinful Hero wrote: They had the CAV kickstarter not too long ago. Or are you talking about a scifi troops and such kickstarter?
CAV is Mechwarrior scale, not 28mm. Whole other thing...
No one mentioned 28mm. Just Scifi.
Reaper has expressed in the comments that they are making concerted efforts to keep CAV separate as a property from their other lines. I don't know what that's all about but it struck me as odd. I am not 100% sure but I think the only thing offered during the CAV KS was CAV miniatures.
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Sinful Hero wrote: They had the CAV kickstarter not too long ago. Or are you talking about a scifi troops and such kickstarter?
CAV is Mechwarrior scale, not 28mm. Whole other thing...
No one mentioned 28mm. Just Scifi.
Reaper has expressed in the comments that they are making concerted efforts to keep CAV separate as a property from their other lines. I don't know what that's all about but it struck me as odd. I am not 100% sure but I think the only thing offered during the CAV KS was CAV miniatures.
Mostly mechs with a few vehicles. I assume they were all from their CAV line.
Yeah.. it was just CAV, I checked. Which means the only pure sci-fi they did was for 10mm. Not really scratching the itch us sci-fi enthusiasts are talking about if you know what I mean
MLaw wrote: Yeah.. it was just CAV, I checked. Which means the only pure sci-fi they did was for 10mm. Not really scratching the itch us sci-fi enthusiasts are talking about if you know what I mean
Oh I understand. Looking at it from pure science fiction they have done it before, but not in a scale that appeals to a large portion of customers.
Right Most of their other stuff is in 28mm.. and most other companies are doing 28-32.. with some 15mm taking off as well. None of the stuff from that is really usable in most systems outside of CAV or Mechwarrior or similar. We have yet to see any massive sci-fi offerings in the vein of the fantasy stuff.. barring monsters that could go either way.
That said.. the Vic Lamb artillery thing.. is going to be honking huge.. so there's that
MLaw wrote: Right Most of their other stuff is in 28mm.. and most other companies are doing 28-32.. with some 15mm taking off as well. None of the stuff from that is really usable in most systems outside of CAV or Mechwarrior or similar. We have yet to see any massive sci-fi offerings in the vein of the fantasy stuff.. barring monsters that could go either way.
That said.. the Vic Lamb artillery thing.. is going to be honking huge.. so there's that
yah, I'm almost regreating going for a $100 set, almost feel i should of just went in for $1 and got $100 worth of thows things!
Lockark wrote: yah, I'm almost regreating going for a $100 set, almost feel i should of just went in for $1 and got $100 worth of thows things!
Are you talking about Bones III? If you're saying that you've pledged $100 on a Bones III KS pledge level, you can spend it on add-ons, instead of the core set.
Only 5K away from the next SG! 70K so far today, so should be a few hours until the unlock. Throw in some money for the unlock and see if the Vic miniatures will be revealed!
Why is Marthrangul 50% more expensive than Diabolus and the dragon with the rider? They seem to be about the same size.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, does anyone know what their plan is for retail release of the things from Bones 2? It looks like some are out already, and some not. So they release them gradually over time?
Albino Squirrel wrote: Why is Marthrangul 50% more expensive than Diabolus and the dragon with the rider? They seem to be about the same size.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, does anyone know what their plan is for retail release of the things from Bones 2? It looks like some are out already, and some not. So they release them gradually over time?
Marthrangul is a bit chunkier than Diabolus and the dragon rider. He also appears to have a partial scenic base.
Retail plan is a trickle release after kickstarter goods are delivered iirc. They definitely won't be released until after the kickstarter rewards are in backer's hands.
Trust me, you don't want any of their bases, they're pretty much crap. Got a bunch free with Bones2 and I've used exactly 3 of them. The plastic itself is really thin and at 4mm tall they're too tall to match pretty much anything else out on the market (3mm would have been the ideal thickness). It's pretty hard to think of a less exciting stretch goal, those should really be paid addons instead.
Kalamadea wrote: Trust me, you don't want any of their bases, they're pretty much crap. Got a bunch free with Bones2 and I've used exactly 3 of them. The plastic itself is really thin and at 4mm tall they're too tall to match pretty much anything else out on the market (3mm would have been the ideal thickness). It's pretty hard to think of a less exciting stretch goal, those should really be paid addons instead.
As a paid add-on we would've had to unlock them. Instead.. we get them tossed in as a gimme... no unlock necessary. I'm glad they did it the way that they did. As ReaperBryan said..they had two choices... give bases or give nothing. It was never give bases or give more models.
I feel a little cold about some of the randomness of the stretch goals here. It seems like "goals" just happen suddenly, popping up without any idea they were coming. Maybe I am just not paying as much attention as I usually do, but it all just feels arbitrary, not a "goal" as such.
Wehrkind wrote: I feel a little cold about some of the randomness of the stretch goals here. It seems like "goals" just happen suddenly, popping up without any idea they were coming. Maybe I am just not paying as much attention as I usually do, but it all just feels arbitrary, not a "goal" as such.
They alternate freebies with paid options, while sometimes throwing in a surprise. The surprises and doubles are usually more mundane things like paints or bases that people would complain about if they were a "real goal".
They need to start unveling some exciting stuff to get this one moving. Saving everything for the final weekend just doesn't make any sense. Sure, end with Tiamat. But there's a lot of stuff they previewed they can start releasing as add-ons as well. Or unveil more of the Stoneskull expansion - it's going to get less people pledging because there isnt $50 retail worth of stuff in it now. But they want you to pledge to "unlock" the reveal of what you pledged for. And they just randomly throw out stuff like the weapon packs or bases. While nice, there's no drive to pledge because who knows when the next random bonus is coming. This one is really awkwardly run in comparison to the previous ones.
I guess you need to experiment with the formula from time to time, but were I them, I'd be pulling out the stops with a little over a week to go. Short campaigns normally hit 1 paycheck for people, 2 of they are lucky. The sooner they have a reason to work their budget for a pledge the better for the campaign. If they sit on too much of the cool stuff, they might find their many of their customers' paychecks are spent.
Maybe, but how big is the market for some cannon? It takes time for stories to circulate and post on news sites, and they need to give people time to stumble upon it and pledge. We're clued in and obsessively check this sort of thing (OK, at least I do lol). And releasing it tomorrow, yeah, that's a fair amount of time. But sitting on Tiamat until the final day? By the time Joe Schmoe dungeon master learns of it, it may be too late.
Kalamadea wrote: Trust me, you don't want any of their bases, they're pretty much crap. Got a bunch free with Bones2 and I've used exactly 3 of them. The plastic itself is really thin and at 4mm tall they're too tall to match pretty much anything else out on the market (3mm would have been the ideal thickness).
Unless of course you are not OCD about your bases, and then they work perfectly fine.
My biggest irritation with this, and it's not just Reaper, but it's having stretch goals that unlock to give us a chance to pay for stuff.
CMON used to do this but seems to have moved away from it, just putting the option up to buy extra stuff for those who are interested, leaving stretch goals to purely unlock new content for everyone.
If I remember last time Reaper did the expansions, didn't they just end up showing everything all at once in the end, since it was taking so long to get to the point where extra stuff showed up in the expansions?
Feels like there were also a lot more optional pieces to buy at this point in the campaign the last time.
At least the expansion should unlock soon and we'll see what's after the Pathfinder stuff (which I'm kinda sore about since I just ordered the metals of some of those guys).
I think this is a misconception.
They set a funding goal to create a certain amount of miniatures. They met that but.. we kept throwing money at them. So.. they are adding additional content that wouldn't have been available without the additional funding.
NOW.. some people (..maybe me) are pledging based on speculation of things that might get added.. and that's where the problem you're describing comes in. Reaper doesn't add X-amount of things and then hope that they can cover it in the production costs. That's foolish. However, many of us have pledged as though there will be a huuuge plethora of things added.. which is a pretty safe bet but if it doesn't get that far (...which come on..they know what they're doing).. then we can back down our pledges.
This entire thing is already a good value. If it ended right now, I would be pleased with what I have. I have seen the preview pictures I linked a few posts back and I assume at least some of those are going to make it and that has me excited. Try to remain patient and if that proves too challenging then maybe just check back in the final 48 hours.
RE: - Should be further along than this. Despite this being a shorter campaign, on average, this is beating out the corresponding days from previous barring day 1. Remember that a huge portion (ie most) of the funds raised by the previous 2 were done at the beginning and end. This one has had steady growth which is not something that can be said about the others despite what many people are maintaining. The campaign is exceeding Reapers' own expectations according to what they're saying in the comments and I would assume that by the end, a lot of naysayers are going to be eating their words.
At least the expansion should unlock soon and we'll see what's after the Pathfinder stuff (which I'm kinda sore about since I just ordered the metals of some of those guys).
I wouldnt be too sore on that. I threw away a fair amount of my Bones 1 because the detail was so soft. WK Reynolds puts a billion tiny buckles, studs, icons etc on his artwork, and it did not translate well.
A lot of that detail on the warpriest, investigator, bloodrager is going to be lost unless they have seriously stepped up their formula. Bones works well for big things or smaller stuff with hard and clean lines. Those crusaders for example will work well. The new PF iconics, I'm not sure on...
Bossk_Hogg wrote: I wouldnt be too sore on that. I threw away a fair amount of my Bones 1 because the detail was so soft.
Trade 'em to me! Trade 'em to me! Trade 'em to meeeeee!
Good points, all. I particularly agree with MLaw. I think the free SG's should also have their add-on costs attached, so existing pledgers can pledge more money!
It'd be nice to have that info immediately at hand (on the graphic/in the update), but they do seem to be good about updating the 'add more for $x' bit at the bottom, so it's available to those that desire it.
As for the bases; 60k seemed like a big hike for a SG, I suspected something would be tucked at the 1.190m mark, and lo, it was.
It's not an easy expectation to manage, but having been through this a few times, believe me, '30k for bases, blaaaaah' would've been proclaimed by many. This way it simply becomes a 'freebie'; same end result (at that total we got a new thing) but a 'lackluster goal' doesn't suppress enthusiasm.
And we're about to tick over to 1.220m with the corresponding unlock and new unveiling. I thought people wanted shorter SGs in the doldrums of the campaign? We were just complaining about that a page or two ago. :-P
Literally $142 from the next unlock, so expect it any moment now, barring shenanigans or hi-jinks.
Commissar-Danno wrote: So what is going to be the time between waves might I ask? And how far out is wave 6-7 gong to be from now?
Most of the waves shipped within the same week IIRC. I was wave 2 but they were flying through the waves extremely fast.. which was amazing considering how accurate the order was.
BrookM wrote: Very much tempted to drop my own $100 wave one whatever deal for a $1 pledge instead. The core deal is anything but interesting to me right now.
Brook - You don't have to buy core.. it structured so that you can select whatever you want totalling to your pledge during the KS. Hop in the Pledge Calculator on the front page and see..
Are the Vic artillery crew going to be single piece, or will they have arms/heads as separate bits? I am assuming due to this being a Bones release they will be single piece models but if anyone knows information would be appreciated.
but if you are subject to 'delay rage' worth keeping in mind
The total shipment was delayed yes.. but from wave 1 to wave 10 or whatever the final was, that was all within a short period..
RE: Artillery crew - There are multi-part bones.. not sure that these will be but they look like they were made from a multipart kit so that should make it really easy to do conversions. Bones cuts like butter to a sharp X-acto.
Very much tempted to drop my own $100 wave one whatever deal for a $1 pledge instead. The core deal is anything but interesting to me right now.
Same here. I'm going to wait until closer to the end in case it picks up, but the base level is pretty poor even compared to bones2 at this level, and bones2 after the $1million mark was pathetic
BrookM wrote: Very much tempted to drop my own $100 wave one whatever deal for a $1 pledge instead. The core deal is anything but interesting to me right now.
Brook - You don't have to buy core.. it structured so that you can select whatever you want totalling to your pledge during the KS. Hop in the Pledge Calculator on the front page and see..
For realsies? Because all I want right now is three guns and a pack of totes-not-StarCrap marines.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ERMAGERD, three guns and a pack of rip-off marines with shipping for less than $20? SOLD!
Any idea how tall those kobold/goblin things are? The original kobolds made okay 15mm guys but the subsequent kobold wizard and hero were too tall. I am guessing these guys are on the taller end.
Very much tempted to drop my own $100 wave one whatever deal for a $1 pledge instead. The core deal is anything but interesting to me right now.
Same here. I'm going to wait until closer to the end in case it picks up, but the base level is pretty poor even compared to bones2 at this level, and bones2 after the $1million mark was pathetic
In case you missed it you don't have to give up your wave- In the pledge manager you don't have to select the core set. You're essentially pledging $100+ and you will choose your rewards after the kickstarter.
I'm not sure about delays on this one- aren't the first waves supposed to start shipping in August? They may be on top of this one.
jmurph wrote: Any idea how tall those kobold/goblin things are? The original kobolds made okay 15mm guys but the subsequent kobold wizard and hero were too tall. I am guessing these guys are on the taller end.
jmurph wrote: Any idea how tall those kobold/goblin things are? The original kobolds made okay 15mm guys but the subsequent kobold wizard and hero were too tall. I am guessing these guys are on the taller end.
I'm asking but not getting a response :/
Reaper seems to enjoy chatting with the regulars and ignoring everyone else unless you spam your question.
Alex C wrote: Unfortunately none of those meetings have resulted in the Tianot reveal
Did you see the reveal at the end of the video?
I saw the microsecond blur of it, but I'm talking about the official one that lets you know the funding required and the price so you can pledge for it.
Guessing it to have the bulk of Karadrax, but instead of being spread out it's going to be taller. So retail in that price range perhaps? It definitely won't sell for the price kaladrax did in the kickstarter though- they admitted that was a mistake. Well, it wouldn't have been if the factory hadn't scaled him up so much.
Sinful Hero wrote: I'm not sure about delays on this one- aren't the first waves supposed to start shipping in August? They may be on top of this one.
Well, anything out of their control (eg. containers stuck in customs) will delay the first waves, but the shipment dates are more padding than anything reliable. For Bones II, the docker's strike pushed back Wave 1, but, once they could start shipping stuff, they only had a few days between waves. My two bits are that the waves are there to "set and manage expectations" so the backers don't get all riled up. In practice, the waves amount to "first come, first served".
This might be incredibly hipster on my part... but it kinda makes me sad that their metal was all done in house (I think?) and now the Bonesium is made in China.
I'm almost positive that they bought the injection molders as part of their first kickstarter so that they could do the production in house in Texas. The molds might still be made in China though.
They have specifically said this time that because of the initial volume, the first batch will be done in china because they can't handle the volume with the in-house machine. Subsequent batches will be produced at their TX facility.
Then I hope they can move onto making sure their store has the handful of minis I really want and have been 0 stock for a few months now. Looking at you, faceless horror.
Then I hope they can move onto making sure their store has the handful of minis I really want and have been 0 stock for a few months now. Looking at you, faceless horror.
Yeah.. Hopefully they don't take on the same traits as Mantic .. so spent on Kickstarters that everything else is just completely ignored.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Are the Vic artillery crew going to be single piece, or will they have arms/heads as separate bits? I am assuming due to this being a Bones release they will be single piece models but if anyone knows information would be appreciated.
Hi, the crew will be mostly one piece, some might have separate arms for casting. The cannon will be several parts, and will need assembly. This will enable us to make resin add on's like crawler tracks and a blast shield in the future.
Alpharius wrote:I thought they were going to bring the Bones Machines (injection molders) in house, down to Texas?
Unix wrote:I'm almost positive that they bought the injection molders as part of their first kickstarter so that they could do the production in house in Texas. The molds might still be made in China though.
My understanding was that it was more bizarre than that. The production run for the Kickstarter is done in China because of the volume, and then molds get shipped to the US and then Reaper does ongoing production here. Because they did buy an injection molder for Texas, but it would take too long to do all of the Kickstarter models in house.
The KS minis would not be ready in time for a March shipment if we waited for the machine to be delivered and set up. As such, the KS figures are made in China. As it is, the China facility has 14 of these machines and it is taking them 5 months to complete manufacturing, so our one machine would take years to replicate the volume necessary for fulfillment.
We have secured all necessary permits (you'd be surprised how long some of those things take!) and are ready to break ground on the new construction to house our plastics operations. We will try to take regular pictures.
Thanks for everyone's support!
I remember they had a video of it at one point, but I don't have that link handy.
I haven't looked at the KS since pretty much it opened and they've got some nice additions. The asian dragon looks particularly nice as you don't really get alot of that type of dragon sculpt in minis games. I wonder how many pieces that'll come in given all the tiny limbs sticking out at various angles. I'm not familiar personally with the larger bones material figs so I don't know what it is capable of casting wise.
Alpharius wrote:I thought they were going to bring the Bones Machines (injection molders) in house, down to Texas?
Unix wrote:I'm almost positive that they bought the injection molders as part of their first kickstarter so that they could do the production in house in Texas. The molds might still be made in China though.
My understanding was that it was more bizarre than that. The production run for the Kickstarter is done in China because of the volume, and then molds get shipped to the US and then Reaper does ongoing production here. Because they did buy an injection molder for Texas, but it would take too long to do all of the Kickstarter models in house.
That sounds reasonable. The initial rollout to both KS backers on a $1M project plus the stock to all the retail outlets/distributors that get bones figs is likely an order of magnitude by my guess greater than the monthly upkeep. It sounds worth it to get a bulk discount on that then move the smaller upkeep runs over to the US.
warboss wrote: I haven't looked at the KS since pretty much it opened and they've got some nice additions. The asian dragon looks particularly nice as you don't really get alot of that type of dragon sculpt in minis games. I wonder how many pieces that'll come in given all the tiny limbs sticking out at various angles. I'm not familiar personally with the larger bones material figs so I don't know what it is capable of casting wise.
I guess you missed the discussion that it's not an Asian dragon, but a Behir.
warboss wrote: I haven't looked at the KS since pretty much it opened and they've got some nice additions. The asian dragon looks particularly nice as you don't really get alot of that type of dragon sculpt in minis games. I wonder how many pieces that'll come in given all the tiny limbs sticking out at various angles. I'm not familiar personally with the larger bones material figs so I don't know what it is capable of casting wise.
I guess you missed the discussion that it's not an Asian dragon, but a Behir.
Most definitely! Link? It still would be an impressive model for Bones though and my question of the number of likely pieces still stands. Also, did they ever actually come out and say what the bones material is?
monders wrote:The majority of these Bones minis are, imo, pretty poor quality sculpts. Why are they so popular?
Super cheap (in the KS... just plain cheap at retail) minis in classical D&D style that you don't have to assemble. That one piece casting though does tend to limit the poses to a 2nd edition 40k style 2D pose. I haven't gotten into them previously because I got my fill of the above with D&D prepainted minis but I could imagine folks that didn't and want hordes of D&D style minis would have that itch scratched with the bones campaigns.
monders wrote: The majority of these Bones minis are, imo, pretty poor quality sculpts. Why are they so popular?
The vast majority of them are miles better, imho, than even the best sculpt put out for that Wasteland KS in your signature. Why did you back it? The answer of course is that tastes vary.
The same reason I'd eat a McDonald's Cheeseburger for lunch- this is the dollar menu of miniatures.
Oh, and to stretch the analogy, it also delivers an all you can eat buffet. This is an all you can eat buffet of McDonalds. My guts hurt just thinking about the gluttony!
monders wrote: The majority of these Bones minis are, imo, pretty poor quality sculpts. Why are they so popular?
Inexpensive.
Fun to paint.
Better sculpts than the pictures seem to say (still not top of the line - but better than minis from the eighties and nineties).
Can be transported without fear of having bits fall off or get broken. (I have seen a Bones miniature painted by Victoria Lamb crushed beneath the massive weight of Game of Thrones, then come out unscathed.)
warboss wrote: I haven't looked at the KS since pretty much it opened and they've got some nice additions. The asian dragon looks particularly nice as you don't really get alot of that type of dragon sculpt in minis games. I wonder how many pieces that'll come in given all the tiny limbs sticking out at various angles. I'm not familiar personally with the larger bones material figs so I don't know what it is capable of casting wise.
I guess you missed the discussion that it's not an Asian dragon, but a Behir.
Most definitely! Link? It still would be an impressive model for Bones though and my question of the number of likely pieces still stands. Also, did they ever actually come out and say what the bones material is?
I believe it was on the last page or two. Fwiw the update actually calls it a Behir.
Victoria lamb painted up an orc and it looks fantastic and alot of the time I cant tell the difference between a metal and a bones when painted exactly the same.
AND they are an amazing deal.
While I like the McDonald's analogy I don't think it applies here. The quality is pretty high on most of them. People seem bound and determined to say .."oh there a good price but they are awful looking"..when they are not awful at all.
Is it a GW level of detail sculpt? no
But its pretty damn good
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
So, what am I missing? It looks to me like it could function as a GW plastic model (which costs less and isn't Bones) or a scale model of a historical weapon (which costs less and isn't Bones). Is it much bigger than the competition? It certainly doesn't look very Sci Fi or unique.
I'd love to buy some of her troopers in Bones, even with a surcharge for her sculpting, but I just don't see what makes that gun attractive at anything near $70.
Tough to say without a side by side scale shot- but right now it's 20 dollars cheaper than a GW Basilisk, and comes with 5 crewmembers- a half squad of guardsmen.
I'm not a great painter, and I don't have a great camera, but I am pleased with my progress on painting my Bones II minis. These are all WIP, and so far done at my son's house where there is only a pretty limited range of paints, but you can see that the detail on these is OK. And they were huge fun to paint.
monders wrote: The majority of these Bones minis are, imo, pretty poor quality sculpts. Why are they so popular?
It's worth noting too that light colors like white really don't show detail well in pictures. Bones minis hit with a light primer and wash look a lot better than they do in pictures posted on the KS. Which makes it a little odd that they don't do that.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
So, what am I missing? It looks to me like it could function as a GW plastic model (which costs less and isn't Bones) or a scale model of a historical weapon (which costs less and isn't Bones). Is it much bigger than the competition? It certainly doesn't look very Sci Fi or unique.
I'd love to buy some of her troopers in Bones, even with a surcharge for her sculpting, but I just don't see what makes that gun attractive at anything near $70.
So, I don't know if they have specifically mentioned this, but can someone at the $1 level pick Core Set Extra Copies, as there are a few I will want (I like me some bird people and 50s noir), but nowhere near enough to justify $100.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
So, what am I missing? It looks to me like it could function as a GW plastic model (which costs less and isn't Bones) or a scale model of a historical weapon (which costs less and isn't Bones). Is it much bigger than the competition? It certainly doesn't look very Sci Fi or unique.
I'd love to buy some of her troopers in Bones, even with a surcharge for her sculpting, but I just don't see what makes that gun attractive at anything near $70.
It's not bones either.. it's a more rigid plastic they use for things that need to maintain a rigid mechanical shape. Similar in nature to their bases but a light gray material.
General Seric wrote:So, I don't know if they have specifically mentioned this, but can someone at the $1 level pick Core Set Extra Copies, as there are a few I will want (I like me some bird people and 50s noir), but nowhere near enough to justify $100.
Yep! use their pledge calculator, pick the stuff you want and chose a $1 reward level. The calculator is well designed and makes life easier in the long run. It'll remember what you pledged for and they use it anyway to determine what rewards to send you.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
So, what am I missing? It looks to me like it could function as a GW plastic model (which costs less and isn't Bones) or a scale model of a historical weapon (which costs less and isn't Bones). Is it much bigger than the competition? It certainly doesn't look very Sci Fi or unique.
I'd love to buy some of her troopers in Bones, even with a surcharge for her sculpting, but I just don't see what makes that gun attractive at anything near $70.
It's not bones either.. it's a more rigid plastic they use for things that need to maintain a rigid mechanical shape. Similar in nature to their bases but a light gray material.
Personally the draw is that it's a Vic / Jake sculpt that (as a 'murrican) I wouldnt have to pay the Australia tax on. If this gun goes well for Reaper and Vic then it may lead to Vic's work being easier for me to get.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
$70.
Vic's official thread has more details regarding the cannon.
So, what am I missing? It looks to me like it could function as a GW plastic model (which costs less and isn't Bones) or a scale model of a historical weapon (which costs less and isn't Bones). Is it much bigger than the competition? It certainly doesn't look very Sci Fi or unique.
I'd love to buy some of her troopers in Bones, even with a surcharge for her sculpting, but I just don't see what makes that gun attractive at anything near $70.
You're also getting six crew with it. Vic's standard troopers average ~$5 per figure, so you're looking at ~$30 for the crew and ~$40 for the gun, which makes sense.
It is a touch on the expensive side for my tastes, but its within reason for a boutique store that produces high quality minis. Opinions may differ, and I don't fault anyone for thinking it.
Then again, $30 in the KS is a steal, so I'll be getting all I want right now.
I believe it was on the last page or two. Fwiw the update actually calls it a Behir.
Material is PVC.
Thanks, I'll take a peek. PVC... is surprising. I thought PVC was the blade breaking flash flared stuff of hobbyist nightmares from following Mantic and Soda Pop threads. I don't really hear the same about bones stuff although I do recall some paint sticking and sponge-ieness issues a while back.
I believe it was on the last page or two. Fwiw the update actually calls it a Behir.
Material is PVC.
Thanks, I'll take a peek. PVC... is surprising. I thought PVC was the blade breaking flash flared stuff of hobbyist nightmares from following Mantic and Soda Pop threads. I don't really hear the same about bones stuff although I do recall some paint sticking and sponge-ieness issues a while back.
Some pieces are better cast than others, and long thin parts tend to bend.
On the whole, the material is super easy to work with. You will want to brush on primer though, as aerosols will melt it. And since it's highly hydrophobic, you can only gently thin your paint with water.
It sounds like more of a PITA than it actually is.
Thanks. The brush on primer sounds like a pain though. I wonder if the "acrylic" spray primers work on it or if it is something in the propellant that affects the material.
warboss wrote: Thanks. The brush on primer sounds like a pain though. I wonder if the "acrylic" spray primers work on it or if it is something in the propellant that affects the material.
it's the propellent. There are multiple threads on this in the Reaper forums, but Reapers official policy is that they don't need primers. Which is actually true!
I use brush on primer, but i've also just "primed" with craft paint of an appropriate color. So Orcs might get a leather brown base coat, elves might get a forest green base coat, etc.
monders wrote: The majority of these Bones minis are, imo, pretty poor quality sculpts. Why are they so popular?
Because someone can actually pull this off!
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warboss wrote: Thanks. The brush on primer sounds like a pain though. I wonder if the "acrylic" spray primers work on it or if it is something in the propellant that affects the material.
I believe it was on the last page or two. Fwiw the update actually calls it a Behir.
Material is PVC.
Thanks, I'll take a peek. PVC... is surprising. I thought PVC was the blade breaking flash flared stuff of hobbyist nightmares from following Mantic and Soda Pop threads. I don't really hear the same about bones stuff although I do recall some paint sticking and sponge-ieness issues a while back.
One difference is that Bones aren't priced like metals/resins/HIPS, which is what some companies think they can charge for them. Bones are basically prepainted minis, without the prepaint. Most are fairly bendy.
The actual cannon will be in a high impact styrene which according to Reaper, is very similar to what GW is using. The crew and other bits are likely going to be in the more pliable bones material. They have done this for things like their dumpster and the wings on the clockwork dragon.
warboss wrote: Thanks. The brush on primer sounds like a pain though. I wonder if the "acrylic" spray primers work on it or if it is something in the propellant that affects the material.
it's the propellent. There are multiple threads on this in the Reaper forums, but Reapers official policy is that they don't need primers. Which is actually true!
I use brush on primer, but i've also just "primed" with craft paint of an appropriate color. So Orcs might get a leather brown base coat, elves might get a forest green base coat, etc.
I can also say from experience that Army Painter primers work a treat!
A friend uses Dupli-Color sandable primers, and reports no problems - but a friend that uses Krylon primers says that Krylon is a no-go.
I believe it was on the last page or two. Fwiw the update actually calls it a Behir.
Material is PVC.
Thanks, I'll take a peek. PVC... is surprising. I thought PVC was the blade breaking flash flared stuff of hobbyist nightmares from following Mantic and Soda Pop threads. I don't really hear the same about bones stuff although I do recall some paint sticking and sponge-ieness issues a while back.
The trick with PVC is to slice, not scrape, with your knife.
It is tough and elastic, so gets ridges if you scrape - but if you slice you get a thin thread of plastic, and leave a clean surface.
So it looks like the completion date for the 3rd KS is Sep/Oct 2016... how reliable is that? I know the first one was a few months late (perfectly acceptable given the scope) but I don't know about the second one. Is that full year inbetween padding the date a fair amount or should we really expect a full year? I'd have no issues waiting that time but figured I'd ask since Reaper seems to be more responsilbe than most minis companies that do Kickstarters (*cough* Palladium, Prodos *cough*). Maybe it's because I've been on the outside looking in and I'm used to companies severely under estimating but that time frame feels a bit long even given the number of minis.
I'd say that's probably a slightly pessimistic delivery date. They've done three of these now and know how it works, and they've probably baked in a major and a few minor delays into the estimate.
warboss wrote: So it looks like the completion date for the 3rd KS is Sep/Oct 2016... how reliable is that? I know the first one was a few months late (perfectly acceptable given the scope) but I don't know about the second one. Is that full year inbetween padding the date a fair amount or should we really expect a full year? I'd have no issues waiting that time but figured I'd ask since Reaper seems to be more responsilbe than most minis companies that do Kickstarters (*cough* Palladium, Prodos *cough*). Maybe it's because I've been on the outside looking in and I'm used to companies severely under estimating but that time frame feels a bit long even given the number of minis.
Bones 2 shipped late for the first couple of waves, early for the latter waves. I'm expecting their estimate to be spot on for at least one wave.
I'd say they're more reliable in getting the mini's made, but I can't think of any company who could give accurate shipping dates because much of shipping is out of control. Most retail companies will only give an estimate which quarter they will ship, while KS forces companies to narrow it down to the month. FFG's progress and shipping schedule is one of the more transparent production schedules I've seen. Some fans of a game will even post on BGG changes in a game's schedule.
I use Army Painter sprays on Bones as well with no problems. Airbrushed acrylics and inks work pretty well too. I haven't tried Rustoleum automotive primer yet, but I might give that a go as well.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: If Vic's cannon is $30 in the kickstarter, does that mean it's going to be $45-$50 at retail? I'm not seeing the advantage of that.
In the Vic thread she predicted it would more like $75 retail.
played the first 3 or 4 levels. pretty simple, but nice enough. nice controls. I like the 8bit aesthetic, with some good lighting effects.
no real scoring method that I could see though - you just have to kill x amount of enemies to progress to the next level, but there's no timer or score to let you know whether you are doing well or not...
Very close now to Reaper Bones III hitting the $1,310,000 unlock goal for the Sledgehammer!
Currently $1,307,663 and counting...
Very exciting, thanks everyone for the great support and feedback.
So Shug Niggurath is coming up for 10 dollars- and it seems like any Tyranid or Chaos Player could find some use for this tentacled and bemouthed horror from the deep woods.
As well as a dragon, Kyphrixis.
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and the last part of the Skullstone Expansion, featuring an Iron Golem.
The Stoneskull expansion is like a collection of weird stuff they were confident selling as individual add-ons so they lumped them all together for $50 so the price per model would be low enough that you just go "Eh, what the hell" and just plunk down $50 for it now and figure out what you could use them for later.
Yeah, I kind of feel it was just intended to shut up the commentors clamoring for plant monsters. I'd just plop down a piece of raw broccoli, personally. That stuff even makes orks explode.
That being said, if you are into golems, that expansion does contain a huge variety of them.
That is true. One more expansion to go, and if it isn't based around a frost sorceress, a reindeer rider and several transparent bonesium snow creatures, it may very well be sci-fi. Apparently four female monsters are also waiting in the wings.
Gitzbitah wrote: One more expansion to go, and if it isn't based around a frost sorceress, a reindeer rider and several transparent bonesium snow creatures, it may very well be sci-fi. Apparently four female monsters are also waiting in the wings.
One more?
I thought they said there'd be several more expansions?
Bones 2 had 3 Expansions and "Dragons Don't Share" which was basically a somewhat smaller/cheaper expansion (or a more expensive/bigger add on, I suppose, depending on ones perspective).
I do wish they'd offer that behir as a separate purchase. I have no interest at all in any of the minis it is bundled with but would pledge in an instant if I could get it at the add on price of $10-15 like the dragons.
Always with the frost sorceress and the snow creatures. I'm telling you, you should really let it go, let it go.
I would love to see more female monsters and sci fi, but I'm pretty sure Reaper wants to get through a bunch of halfling bard archers or something first.
warboss wrote: I do wish they'd offer that behir as a separate purchase. I have no interest at all in any of the minis it is bundled with but would pledge in an instant if I could get it at the add on price of $10-15 like the dragons.
Seems like a prime opportunity to see if anyone was willing to split it with you. Any chance you have some local friends that might be interested in splitting up that expansion? If $10-15 seems reasonable to you, surely there's someone who thinks $35-40 for everything else in the expansion would be a solid deal?
Hell, I'd ponder it, but whatever savings would be found would probably be lost in shipping it across our borders. Probably cheaper to just buy it at retail, or order it from them and take advantage of the $35 free shipping in that case.
The anti-sci fi brigade on the KS comments section is almost as powerful as the SJW squad.
Hopefully we see some, but any mention of it is unfortunately buried under screams of fantasy fanboi rage.
Yeah, there's one that jumps on me every time he gets in an argument.. WITH SOMEONE ELSE.. ugh. It's a guy too.. and he is SJWing for female minis. However.. what he wants isn't female minis..it's female minis with big boobs and tiny waists. So he's requesting something chauvinistic but doing so under the banner of equality.. how the EFF does that work??? I tried asking in the comments just to see what percentage EVERYONE wanted to see as females and he took that as a cue to say I was telling him there didn't need to be more females. I was seriously trying to figure out everyone's views but his SJW mojo shut down any hope of a meaningful conversation that might actually help to strengthen his position. But.. because he keeps engaging me, I end up looking like the a-hole. /whining
The anti-sci-fi stuff is tiresome. I'm in the camp that there are a few things I want from fantasy but nothing I need. I want some stuff from sci-fi and modern and if it doesn't go that direction, I'll be backing my pledge waaaaay down and putting that money on the HINT late pledges or some other sci-fi models. Reaper does have some neat sci-fi stuff but they're not keeping up with the industry in sci-fi. Because they're not, their sales aren't that impressive and they instead get a sense that sci-fi isn't popular. It is.. but people want to buy sci-fi stuff that looks like it was made this century. :/ That said, I love the corsairs and cannon.
warboss wrote: I do wish they'd offer that behir as a separate purchase. I have no interest at all in any of the minis it is bundled with but would pledge in an instant if I could get it at the add on price of $10-15 like the dragons.
Seems like a prime opportunity to see if anyone was willing to split it with you. Any chance you have some local friends that might be interested in splitting up that expansion? If $10-15 seems reasonable to you, surely there's someone who thinks $35-40 for everything else in the expansion would be a solid deal?
Hell, I'd ponder it, but whatever savings would be found would probably be lost in shipping it across our borders. Probably cheaper to just buy it at retail, or order it from them and take advantage of the $35 free shipping in that case.
Locally? Nah, no one that I know of. The store I shop at stocks bones and the owner loves it for his own collection (big WHFB player) as well as for the store so I'll probably get it there late next year. Does anyone know of the markup for the dragon sized minis %-wise from the KS price to retail? I'll likely also hit up the thread to see if anyone wants to sell their mini when they start to ship for a fair price (i.e. a bit above the KS price). From the video posted in the update, the behir doesn't seem all that big and is likely significantly smaller than most dragons judging from the stitch golems they had in the video that are also in the KS add on pic. (insert disclaimer about minis in the rear view KS prototype mirror are closer/larger than they appear)
Most of the dragons are about $20, with some outliers at $15 or $25+. I think the behind is more likely to be $10-$12, like the storm Giants and similar sized monsters.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Always with the frost sorceress and the snow creatures. I'm telling you, you should really let it go, let it go.
I would love to see more female monsters and sci fi, but I'm pretty sure Reaper wants to get through a bunch of halfling bard archers or something first.
I'm still waiting for the next reveal to see if they're making today a perfect day for me.
LoL, I would love to see a halfling bard archer using his or her banjo to shoot an arrow. Perhaps paired with a were-coyote in beat up partial armor. It must be absolutely nightmarish calcuclating which parts of their catalogue would be the most lucrative to switch to bonesium. They have miniatures for everything.
adamsouza wrote: The Stoneskull expansion is like a collection of weird stuff they were confident selling as individual add-ons so they lumped them all together for $50 so the price per model would be low enough that you just go "Eh, what the hell" and just plunk down $50 for it now and figure out what you could use them for later.
Yup, and it's working for me. It's exactly what I want out of Bones: monsters and mooks. No PCs as far as the eye can see!
The anti-sci fi brigade on the KS comments section is almost as powerful as the SJW squad.
Hopefully we see some, but any mention of it is unfortunately buried under screams of fantasy fanboi rage.
Yeah, there's one that jumps on me every time he gets in an argument.. WITH SOMEONE ELSE.. ugh. It's a guy too.. and he is SJWing for female minis. However.. what he wants isn't female minis..it's female minis with big boobs and tiny waists. So he's requesting something chauvinistic but doing so under the banner of equality.. how the EFF does that work??? I tried asking in the comments just to see what percentage EVERYONE wanted to see as females and he took that as a cue to say I was telling him there didn't need to be more females. I was seriously trying to figure out everyone's views but his SJW mojo shut down any hope of a meaningful conversation that might actually help to strengthen his position. But.. because he keeps engaging me, I end up looking like the a-hole. /whining
The anti-sci-fi stuff is tiresome. I'm in the camp that there are a few things I want from fantasy but nothing I need. I want some stuff from sci-fi and modern and if it doesn't go that direction, I'll be backing my pledge waaaaay down and putting that money on the HINT late pledges or some other sci-fi models. Reaper does have some neat sci-fi stuff but they're not keeping up with the industry in sci-fi. Because they're not, their sales aren't that impressive and they instead get a sense that sci-fi isn't popular. It is.. but people want to buy sci-fi stuff that looks like it was made this century. :/ That said, I love the corsairs and cannon.
Whats the Reaper call sign on the kickstarter comments? @Reaper? I'll throw my hat in for more scifi, if just to help drown out the fantasy brigade.
Well, the Mythos stuff looks pretty cool to me. They may just get me to sink more money into it. If they throw a huge Nyarlethotep into that expansion, I'll be sold.
warboss wrote: I do wish they'd offer that behir as a separate purchase. I have no interest at all in any of the minis it is bundled with but would pledge in an instant if I could get it at the add on price of $10-15 like the dragons.
Just wait for release then, it shouldnt be more than that w an online discount.
For those on the fence on the expansions, here's what you could buy the various expansions from Bones 2 for from The Warstore
Set 1 $92.36
Set 2 $61.05
Set 3 $71.99
So pretty much all over the place on value. In general, I wouldnt get an expansion unless you want 2/3 of them. Rember, bones are cheap and you can normally find at least a 20% discount.
True, but people waiting to support later doesn't get us all more figures.
So it's a bit self serving, but anyone with a full tier does have a bit of a vested interest in going in now.
We can also look at things like Dragons Don't Share, which was $35 during the campaign and is apparently (from what people have said) $75 now from Reaper, and $60 at The War Store.
I mean, I agree, people should act responsibly, and getting stuff after the fact is totally a way to go if one wants to avoid the risk of late delivery or other problems. But at the same time, the campaign approach does reward us for showing that faith/contributing those dollars up front, and from what is listed above, it's not like any of them proved to lose money.
Plus even more savings could potentially be found selling off parts one doesn't want or splitting the expansions with others (where possible, obviously that's not going to work for everyone).
Personally the draw is that it's a Vic / Jake sculpt that (as a 'murrican) I wouldnt have to pay the Australia tax on. If this gun goes well for Reaper and Vic then it may lead to Vic's work being easier for me to get.
The Australia Tax is what we have to pay. It's what happens when you can buy the same item, with single-unit air shipping from the other side of the globe for significantly less than it would cost from the retailer down the street, shipped en masse via sea.
I've always liked Yahtzee's description of it as the "having the nicest beaches tax", though I'm sure some people will cheerfully argue the matter. :-P
You're also getting six crew with it. Vic's standard troopers average ~$5 per figure, so you're looking at ~$30 for the crew and ~$40 for the gun, which makes sense.
Don't do that.
The gun doesn't come with Vic's resin multipart models which go for $5 each. It comes with bones models based on her sculpts, that will probably be reasonably nice, but nowhere near as nice and certainly not worth nearly as much as the resins. Bones humans aren't worth $5 each, even at full RRP.
It's a false metric.
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Forar wrote: I've always liked Yahtzee's description of it as the "having the nicest beaches tax", though I'm sure some people will cheerfully argue the matter. :-P
If only I could live and laze away my life on a beach. JahJoshua's got the right idea in many ways, but it probably wouldn't work for me. FWIW, I haven't been to all that many Aussie beaches outside of my own city, but I'm partial to the Bay of Islands in New Zealand, myself. Though I'm not a surfer.
Don't do that.
The gun doesn't come with Vic's resin multipart models which go for $5 each. It comes with bones models based on her sculpts, that will probably be reasonably nice, but nowhere near as nice and certainly not worth nearly as much as the resins. Bones humans aren't worth $5 each, even at full RRP.
It's a false metric.
Must've missed where it was discussed they were not multi-part. I'm new to this Bones stuff anyways.
In that case, fair enough. The gun is pretty big, and the retail price sits at the upper end of what I'd pay, but the KS price is pretty excellent, so I'm going in for what I need now.
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is that an undead halfling?
