Gamgee wrote:I want Kroot. :( Or Tau auxillaries. Will GW ever make an army for them you think?
Also DW are damn cool. One of the only two ways I like my marines. The other being Blood Ravens.
I doubt Kroot/Tau auxillaries would ever get more than a mention in a supplement I just don't see the demand for non-mech Tau right now. As far as my Blood Ravens go, my source (who's thus far about 50/50 on his rumor) says they are getting a mini-dex sometime in 2017.
Just don't be a 5-man Squad Box that somehow costs more than a 10-man Tactical Squad box.
Just thought I'd point out that the price of a kit has more to do with the overall number of pieces than the number of individual units that can be made with it. Supply and demand also factors in. If the DW kit cost $45 for 10 Deathwatch marines, why the hell would you ever pay $40 for a Tac squad?
Hope the Deathwatch codex is good vs eldar or necrons, because that's the only xenos I see anymore. Im.my area I'm pretty much the only xenos amongst a sea of marines =/
Last few weeks at the local shop ito been my orks and 6+ marines and an ig =(
Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote: Hope the Deathwatch codex is good vs eldar or necrons, because that's the only xenos I see anymore. Im.my area I'm pretty much the only xenos amongst a sea of marines =/
Last few weeks at the local shop ito been my orks and 6+ marines and an ig =(
The core game is super discounted for the kits included though. I love the new 40k discounted bundles in disguise as board games theme that seems to be the new norm.
I dont think I will last till the weekend to see pics.....
Hey, hey hey......yall got any more of dem leaks?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ha, with the rulebook its essentially a starter set, imagine going back in time a couple years and telling everyone the starter set will be Harlequins vs Deathwatch.
I just bought a box of Sternguard *blushes furiously* Actually the first SM plastic kit I bought, too. Would be just my luck if a super savings box includes them AND Harlis which I kinda want as well.
I don't really agree that the vanilla tac squad would stop being the GW sales juggernaut if a somewhat more expensive Deathwatch kit was released. There's the money savers, people who don't want the DW shoulder pads (and potentially engraved left vambraces), probably different weapon loadouts etc.
Ha, with the rulebook its essentially a starter set, imagine going back in time a couple years and telling everyone the starter set will be Harlequins vs Deathwatch.
Or Tyrandis vs Blood Angels. Did the Space Wolves vs Orks had a mini rule book? Dang I wish I could still buy that box set.
BoomWolf wrote: I am quite confused here.
How is the level of content rumored possible in a 150$ kit?
Had it been snap-fit starter, it would make perfect sense, but as the existence of an upgrade sprue means it probably isn't snap fit.
And its not getting rid of old stocks, or throwing in things that don't sell anyway-much of the set are brand new models.
What are we missing here?
Nothing, beyond the fact that this is intended to be a "draw you in" product for potential new players and a "OMG MUST HAVE!" for people looking for value.
Look at the Imperial Knight Renegade box.
$195 for two Imperial Knights and a set of ruins.
Knight Warden alone is how much?
BoomWolf wrote: I am quite confused here.
How is the level of content rumored possible in a 150$ kit?
Had it been snap-fit starter, it would make perfect sense, but as the existence of an upgrade sprue means it probably isn't snap fit.
And its not getting rid of old stocks, or throwing in things that don't sell anyway-much of the set are brand new models.
What are we missing here?
That GW current prices aren't how much it really costs them to produce?
GW could easily profitably outprice their competition if they wanted. Economies of scale and all. If it came to how cheaply they could sell profitably GW could win hands on.
Seems they are looking for finds to hook players in with cheap bundle like deals since internal policy prevents price decreases of existing products.
Ive been eyeballing Harlequins since they came out but have always resisted the urge. This new box set has some ridiculous savings! I don't think i'll be able to say no.
I have been meaning to finish a small Harlequin detachment although much less than contents of this box but they have been the most fun I have had painting in a long while. The value alone is too good to pass up.
I wonder if the Deathwatch sprues will have blank pads or actual chapter specific bits, if so I wonder how many they will cram in.
I'm in for the box set and the dice for sure. I want more Harlies to put with the pile of others I'm too scared to paint, and who the hell doesn't want freaking deathwatch.
Very to not at all, depending on the face that gets the symbol.
It'll be 1. All their dice have the symbol on the 1.
At least if its an inquisitorial =I=, the 1s make visual sense.
If its a burning skull riding a jetbike, doing a guitar solo, it makes as little sense as the other symbol dice.
Mmm, interesting that they mention Rhana Dandra and fate being twisted or broken - it's almost like they're toying with the idea of an 'End Times', but have a little disclaimer in there just in case it goes pear-shaped.
Warpig1815 wrote: Mmm, interesting that they mention Rhana Dandra and fate being twisted or broken - it's almost like they're toying with the idea of an 'End Times', but have a little disclaimer in there just in case it goes pear-shaped.
The 7th rulebook makes mention to it being on the cusp of the End Times, iirc, much more than in previous editions.
There is a terrible darkness descending upon the galaxy, and we shall not see it end.
A day will come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down!
Winter is here!
Now shall faith be truly tested. cometh have the hour. I love me some Ragnarok.
Or just come and join the Tau... free health care and shopping malls for everyone! The only place int he universe you can get meta and play miniatures while your playing miniatures.
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5 campaigns rumored. Part 1 of 5.... I don't think we'll be seeing more posts. I think this is end times book 1/Campaign 1/Set 1.... my god the revelations!
Recently Atia told us that a new CSM would be released soon. Not a new Codex, but new rules which include new psychic powers.
Yesterday Raziel, one of the few reliable sources on 4chan, revealed some details about this book and more info about Deathwatch releases.
Raziel on 4chan
The Upcoming White Dwarf that will be released in september will have a new CSM supplement: Traitors Hate, with new Rules for CSM aswell.
Also Deathwatch will not only get the Boxed set, there will also be Bikes, Landraiders, Razorbacks, a box with 10 marines and Character Models for example the Watchmaster.
Renegade Imperial Knights will be within the Book aswell.
It sounds like the Deathwatch upgrade frame mentioned in the leaked pictures today is going to be sold with several SM vehicles
What if each post each day refers to a different prophecy for each of the five campaign books/sets they have plans for? Hmmm. So we're both right. Tricksies Eldar, but I'm far trickier.
Hype restored for Deathwatch. It looks like the Deathwatch squad is 10 Marines, so a couple of those will be a good way to get started. Looking forward to the upgrade sprue. I will definitely be getting some bikes for this army!
Also, the Chaos campaign being in September White Dwarf? Now THAT is the best cover mount ever. I hope we see more stuff like that in the future (Blood Angels, please?!)
Chikout wrote: So this turned up on tg. A new 40k boxed set called death Masque. Price is RM590 which is the Malaysian currency. No idea what that converts to.
Contents seem equivalent to a getting started set for.each side. Bit less on the death watch side and a bit more on the harlequin side. Glad it is harlequins and not eldar proper so I can use both sides of the box.
I would be carefull with the above quote posted by L'astropate. The info could turn out to be wrong.
That almost sounds like a starter set, with the inclusion of the Soft cover core rule book, except without push-fit models. Interested to see what the Death watch upgrade frame is going to look like. I don't see myself starting a death watch army, but as a hobbyist I hope that if gives you enough parts to upgrade more then just the dread and 5 vanguard vets. That way you can use the left over parts to upgrade a tac squad or something for expanding the army.
Chikout wrote: So this turned up on tg. A new 40k boxed set called death Masque. Price is RM590 which is the Malaysian currency. No idea what that converts to.
Contents seem equivalent to a getting started set for.each side. Bit less on the death watch side and a bit more on the harlequin side. Glad it is harlequins and not eldar proper so I can use both sides of the box.
10 marines, hero and dreadnought is exactly the same as the regular space marine start collecting box except these are veterans. The harlequins are about double a regular start collecting box. Sorry to keep talking about this but it is the steepest discount of any bundle since the shield of Baal starter set.
I really hope the Deathwatch Upgrade sprue is more than just some vehicle icons. The Vanguard Veterans from the boxed set will need DW shoulder pauldrons and left arms. I am hoping for vehicle icons, left arms, pauldrons, and some DW bolters. Maybe the squads will come with some xenos weapons. My guess is that the Deathwatch Veterans kit will be a recut Sternguard kit with stuff like the Deathwatch Frag Cannon instead of one of the other heavy weapons. It won't be the Sternguard kit, but it will have a lot of similarities. I am hoping it clocks in at $40 USD or somewhere near that. The more I think about it, unless Watch Captain Artemis is ONLY available in this boxed set, I will probably skip it (and download a screen shot of his rules), because I really don't need another Vanguard Veteran kit or a Venerable Dreadnought (not to mention the hassle of the selling off the Harlequins). I really doubt they will make Artemis or Eldrad exclusive to the boxed set anyway.
Man, if only money wasn't super tight for me right now I'd be all over that box set. I might even keep the Harlies instead of selling since no one around my area plays them that I know of.
I would keep the Eldar if it was standard Craftworlds Eldar with Eldrad. But since it is Harlequins and they don't really look like Eldar to me, I have no desire to keep them.
To everyone that is afraid their existing Deathwatch stuff will be unusable, why exactly do you think that? Is there something incredibly off the wall about your army that makes you think they wouldn't be usable?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: With rumors of 8th edition and VAST SWEEPING CHANGES I might forgo the codex and just get the toys.
I would be good money all our $50 codexes will NOT be usable in 2017.
Yeah, I am leaning the same direction. I don't want to spend a boatload of money on a book I probably won't use all that much. Art and model pictures used to be nice, but now they load the books up with cartoon-y nonsense that it isn't even worth it anymore.
Yeah, the nascent Eldar Goddess "R'het C'hon" awoke briefly during the 13th Black Crusade and made it as though that entire campaign never happened.
Anyway...
Also Deathwatch will not only get the Boxed set, there will also be Bikes, Landraiders, Razorbacks, a box with 10 marines and Character Models for example the Watchmaster.
Here we are, mere days away from Codex: Deathwatch, something I never thought would ever happen... and still my cynicism says "This is nonsense!" to all of this.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: With rumors of 8th edition and VAST SWEEPING CHANGES I might forgo the codex and just get the toys.
I would bet good money all our $50 codexes will NOT be usable in 2017.
Yeah, I am leaning the same direction. I don't want to spend a boatload of money on a book I probably won't use all that much. Art and model pictures used to be nice, but now they load the books up with cartoon-y nonsense that it isn't even worth it anymore.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: With rumors of 8th edition and VAST SWEEPING CHANGES I might forgo the codex and just get the toys.
I would bet good money all our $50 codexes will NOT be usable in 2017.
Yeah, I am leaning the same direction. I don't want to spend a boatload of money on a book I probably won't use all that much. Art and model pictures used to be nice, but now they load the books up with cartoon-y nonsense that it isn't even worth it anymore.
Plus 2/3 of it will be reprinted from the RPG.
I have the RPG's collectors edition.
I was a Deathwatch player way before it became mainstream and cool. Not only did I play it, but I ran it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Played more Deathwatch than any other 40KRPG. Hell, my name and the names of my group are in most of the books as play testers.
Awesome it's the 40krpg we played the most too (followed by Only War). I do hope they make a Deathwatch 2.0 out that rebalances the game. It got way out of hand in power levels for even me and my high skill in gming to handle. To the point where fights lasted horus in real life over multiple days to have any hope of challenging the large group (6).
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Since this thread is waiting for more news and I have space I may as well say what the campaign was. The groups mission was to uncover a strange prophecy in the Jericho Reach. It turns out three factions were vying to see if it meant them. The two most likely contenders were the Necrons and Chaos and Eldar as third. They stopped the Eldar and sort of had a cease fire as they discovered more (only until they could kill the filthy Xenos farsight later). They also defeated the deamon prince and the greater deamon before being slain themselves. Which means the only ones left it could refer to is the Necrons awakening. In essence they sort of chose who was the greatest threat Voldemort style. Sadly the game had to end before they got to confront the Necrons. After that last battle two got transported somewhere by a weird spell, two died, and the only surviving one was the dreadnought who went into his stasis on the Fort. The Eldar were trying to see if there was a way to use this sector to hasten their grand plan to awaken Yennead and found it lacking. The demon prince was one of the Deathwatch Captains who slew the Master in charge of the Watchfortress. Their goal and the Bloodthirster were trying to create a new chaos god out of the Hadex Anomaly. So this just left the awakening of the great pharaoh over all the Necrons left to stop from being awakened.
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Also I had another large plot going on with Tau, Chaos Space Marines, Ad Mech, and Space Marine/Imperial Forces breaking off from their respective groups to form a shadowy organization dedicated to surpassing all of them and conquering the region. They possessed advanced technology enhanced by warp powers and deamonic bindings as well as the raw zeal of the marines. A tau with space marine enhanced power armor, full invisibility field, enhanced jetpacks powered by souls, rail rifle loaded with warp rounds that can penetrate all known armor, genetically enhanced like a space marine, and equipped with all manner of advanced and supremely heretical gear. He was a constant thorn in their side all campaign and it was never resolved as well. Suffice to say he took out more than a few players and they were eager to see him dead swearing in game oaths and everything. Space Marines with plasma bolters and markerlights. If I recall their goal was to overcome fate.
As for the Nids. They actually got stomped quite hard by my group who seemed to have an affinity for destroying their hordes. This campaign took two and a half years to get as far as it did playing every week for four hours or so.
Regarding bits like shoulder pads, I guess the Deathwatch Veterans box will contain all the infantry bits
GW has been using the term frame - as seen in the leaked advertisement mail to retailers - for the large (A4-sized) vehicle upgrade sprues since at least third edition. Chaos, IG, Ravenwing - the latter being very diverse and including bits for bikes, land speeders (with Sammael/Master of the Ravenwing option) and tanks
Warhams-77 wrote: Regarding bits like shoulder pads, I guess the Deathwatch Veterans box will contain all the infantry bits
GW has been using the term frame - as seen in the leaked advertisement mail to retailers - for the large (A4-sized) vehicle upgrade sprues since at least third edition. Chaos, IG, Ravenwing - the latter being very diverse and including bits for bikes, land speeders (with Belial/Master of the Ravenwing option) and tanks
This pack contains 1 Imperial Guard Tank Accessory frame.
Hmmm, I wonder just how far a box of Veterans will carry. I wouldn't like it if the boxed set didn't have enough bits to make the Vanguard Veterans decked out in Deathwatch armor as well. If there is enough parts in the box to go across multiple kits, I would pick up two DW Veterans and a Tactical Squad to make two 10-man Deathwatch Kill Teams. I doubt GW will be that generous though.
I guess they will put in enough bits to bling out at least another 5. Maybe it is even similiar to the Death Company boxed set. Two of them allow to bling out ~30 Blood Angels, although there are only 5 in a box. Sad Panda's hint about a Necron sword sounds like it will be a diverse kit which also comes with xenos weaponry.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really want a DW shoulder pad for a Dread.
I don't know if they'll continue the shoulderpad motif to Dreads or not. More likely is to replace the front armor plate with Deathwatch specific plating instead and have some icon for the shoulder(s).
Gamgee wrote: I want to see the cool Deathwatch Gunship.
Just get some Inquisition doors from Forge World and slap them on whatever SM vehicle you want to use.
I still have a fair amount of the metal conversion bits left. This upgrade sprue better be pretty sweet.
Breotan wrote: I don't know if they'll continue the shoulderpad motif to Dreads or not. More likely is to replace the front armor plate with Deathwatch specific plating instead and have some icon for the shoulder(s).
I meant something like this:
Breotan wrote: Just get some Inquisition doors from Forge World and slap them on whatever SM vehicle you want to use.
Sorry sir. We won't try to have any wrongbadfun in the future. Apologies.
Warhams-77 wrote: Regarding bits like shoulder pads, I guess the Deathwatch Veterans box will contain all the infantry bits
GW has been using the term frame - as seen in the leaked advertisement mail to retailers - for the large (A4-sized) vehicle upgrade sprues since at least third edition. Chaos, IG, Ravenwing - the latter being very diverse and including bits for bikes, land speeders (with Belial/Master of the Ravenwing option) and tanks
This pack contains 1 Imperial Guard Tank Accessory frame.
Hmmm, I wonder just how far a box of Veterans will carry. I wouldn't like it if the boxed set didn't have enough bits to make the Vanguard Veterans decked out in Deathwatch armor as well. If there is enough parts in the box to go across multiple kits, I would pick up two DW Veterans and a Tactical Squad to make two 10-man Deathwatch Kill Teams. I doubt GW will be that generous though.
I have to disagree; I really don't believe GW will scimp on the bitz. GW'S kits, especially for marines are always crammed full of bits. The 10 man Space Wolves kit has like 210 components. 5 man Sternguard has around 120 components. The Bangles squad has at least 150 components. The basic tac squad clocks in at an extremely generous 170, iirc correctly. We'll be okay when it comes to DW customization options.
I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Agreed, I just wish it was easier to slot a Shadowseer in here and there.
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.
Death Jester, Skyweavers, Voidweaver...it's the trifecta of tax units that generally don't benefit at all from harlequin formations! There is almost no formation bonus they can come up with that will benefit all three.
This is basically a different flavor of Cegorach's Jest, the formation that doesn't benefit the skyweavers and voidweaver at all, and just forces you to take them because GW wants you to buy more models. Unless the benefit is something really head and shoulders better than most of the crappy bonuses we get, it's not going to be great. and given the track record with starter box/start collecting formations, I'm not expecting much for the massive points investment.
Breotan wrote: I don't know if they'll continue the shoulderpad motif to Dreads or not. More likely is to replace the front armor plate with Deathwatch specific plating instead and have some icon for the shoulder(s).
Also Deathwatch will not only get the Boxed set, there will also be Bikes, Landraiders, Razorbacks, a box with 10 marines and Character Models for example the Watchmaster.
Here we are, mere days away from Codex: Deathwatch, something I never thought would ever happen... and still my cynicism says "This is nonsense!" to all of this.
Who was it that posted that?
So far the only reliable rumormonger(Sad Panda) who put anything down said a Deathwatch Veteran box, some plastic characters, Watch-Captain Artemis, and a gunship.
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Agreed, I just wish it was easier to slot a Shadowseer in here and there.
With a bit of luck, the formation will have optional units. Something like 1 Eldrad, 2-4 unites of players, 1-3 jesters, 0-3 shadowseers, 0-1 solitaire etc.
I have over 100 Tac/Assault/Stern/Tanker/Biker/Capt/Chap Masters with the plastic shoulder pads. I am not going to mix and match them at this point.
I am, waiting for the new set and hoping they are similar enough to slot in.
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad 2 units of Players Deathjester 1 unit of Skyweavers 1 Voidweaver
Agreed, I just wish it was easier to slot a Shadowseer in here and there.
With a bit of luck, the formation will have optional units. Something like 1 Eldrad, 2-4 unites of players, 1-3 jesters, 0-3 shadowseers, 0-1 solitaire etc.
Because boxed set formations are known for their flexibility?
It's going to likely be done up like Stormclaw, Deathstorm, or the two Damocles boxes. You get squads with specific loadouts, the vehicles with specific loadouts and the characters, then a "big" formation incorporating them all at once.
Hi! FYI on the new White Dwarf: It will be like good old times. But lets focus on releases:
Free Gift Miniature is a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade(existing)
Kharn the Betrayer is a new release but not the free gift, coming alongside a new supplement that contains new rules for CSM, including Renegade Knights etc. It is called "Traitor's Hate" and has a Black Crusade label on it.
Deathwatch is going to be huge. There will be repacked boxes of existing Space Marines with additional Deathwatch sprues. What I remember is:
- Dreadnoughts
- Bikes
- Vanguard
- Razorback
- Land Raider
- Space Marine Characters
- New Character
- Flyer
- Deathwatch Squad
Aaaaaand:
The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.
Thats what I remember. And trust me. The new WD is just awesome... good old times are back!!! 14 pages of battle report for example!
@Vain - I used the ones from the Command Squad, but at one point they were like gold dust on eBay - and priced to match.
@kronk - The bolters tend to go pretty cheap on eBay. I've seen two sets go for £0.99 in the last week alone. You can never find the pauldrons though.
Problem is, what is "good times". For me the WD good times were early 2000's while some said their good times were 2010s which I thought were just horrible after mid 2005+
If you want to see how it's played, miniwargaming did a Kill Team narrative series that was a lot of fun to watch. They modified the rules a little to add more RPG/Campaign elements, but the core is the same.
Just seems like the person has mashed together rumours that have been said in the past such as DW bikes, tanks etc and added the voidshield kit as their own and made it super legit by telling us the exact number of pages the new WD has on the battle report.
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.
Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.
And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.
Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.
And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.
Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.
Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.
And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.
Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?
The Shadowseer's mistave has no AP, and doesn't have force, so it's quite different.
Current Eldrad is 195pts (and T4). But he also has only 1A (two with his two weapons), so it's not that easy to have a successful ID attack go through (as most things you want to ID have a 2+ or a good invul)
Vorian wrote: They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!
Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.
Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?
Vorian wrote: They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!
Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.
Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?
With all the rumors of primarchs and demon primarchs coming back.
If GW is really going this route with most factions receiving a big bad lord of war type character I'd expect someone like illyanna to become the avatar of ynnead and take up that role. Meaning if such a model is coming it likely will arrive later as this story progresses.
Heck with GW recent love of new large kits, I'm fully expecting the finecast ghazskull thraka to be redone with the next Ork codex and become a new plastic monstrous creature size character. Possibly just as large as "the beast" from the beast arrives stories. That Ork was nearly the size of an imperial knight.
Vorian wrote: They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!
Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.
Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?
With all the rumors of primarchs and demon primarchs coming back.
If GW is really going this route with most factions receiving a big bad lord of war type character I'd expect someone like illyanna to become the avatar of ynnead and take up that role. Meaning if such a model is coming it likely will arrive later as this story progresses.
Heck with GW recent love of new large kits, I'm fully expecting the finecast ghazskull thraka to be redone with the next Ork codex and become a new plastic monstrous creature size character. Possibly just as large as "the beast" from the beast arrives stories. That Ork was nearly the size of an imperial knight.
If that's true, I want my Silent King model for Necrons. With a buff that makes all Reanimates happen on a 3+
Imateria wrote: I think the Harley's formation is what I'm looking forward to most, at present the Masque detachment is really restrictive and the formations rather uninspiring (Most of them seem to be geared around Voidweavers and Starweavers rather than the Players) and the lack of any HQ choices makes it impossible to field them in a CAD. I don't think it even matters if the bonus is any good, the set up just looks more usable.
Eldrad
2 units of Players
Deathjester
1 unit of Skyweavers
1 Voidweaver
Honestly, it doesn't look good at all. First of all, what does Eldrad really bring to units of harlequins? Not a heck of a lot. He'd be better served palling around with something shootier since he has almost no melee power for his points cost, and definitely something more durable.
Unless you are sporting a 2+ save or Eternal Warrior you don't want to mess up with a psyker with Ws 5 Init 5 that always wound at 2+ and quite capable to get ID on it's weapon, sure he's not durable but he's ironically one of the best all rounder to take care of MC and GMC creatures in melee.
And that's without taking into consideration the psy powers he can get on each match.
Yeah. But remember, Harlequins already have access to a WS5 I6 or 7 psyker who always wounds on a 2+. For 60 points. How many points does mr T3 no eternal warrior cost? 250?
The Shadowseer's mistave has no AP, and doesn't have force, so it's quite different.
Current Eldrad is 195pts (and T4). But he also has only 1A (two with his two weapons), so it's not that easy to have a successful ID attack go through (as most things you want to ID have a 2+ or a good invul)
Biggest bonus though, Eldrad's ML4 with a Ghosthelm, Runes of the Farseer and Spiritlink. I wonder if they'll change his faction for this to Harlequins so that he can join with tooled up Player squad in a Starweaver during deployment, suddenly not having access to a Jet Bike isn't such a drawback.
Vorian wrote: They're not actually going to have Ynnead come to life are they?! Great Scott!
Maybe he or she will have Avatars - new big model for Eldar.................bit surprised that using Eldread - isn't Illyanna the main believer in Ynnead - heaven fobid we have another female model in 40k I guess.
Isn;t there something in one of the recent BL novels about Slaanesh being taken down? Not sure what that would mean - although I guess the other Eldar gods could also break free - or at least the ones that Slaanesh consumed, reclaimed, ate?
No, Eldrad is Ynnead's big believer, as I think it was him that discovered the nascent god in the firstplace.
An Ilyana model for an Iyanden army would be very cool though.
Warpig1815 wrote: So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?
They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.
So this pretty much debunks all the nonsense eldar rumors of black library nonsense? (harlequin Yriel was the dumbest thing I've heard ever) I mean I doubt they're also going to make the new chaos campaign against eldar if this release is including eldar.
And this was all from the rumor mongers that people said were legit.
Warpig1815 wrote: So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?
They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.
Oh I was just musing. Having the Void Dragon wake up would be rather an interesting concept...
Warpig1815 wrote: So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?
They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.
Tbh honest i always cheer up my local Nyd player telling him GW must make the dominatrix in 40k a real thing!!
Don Savik wrote: So this pretty much debunks all the nonsense eldar rumors of black library nonsense? (harlequin Yriel was the dumbest thing I've heard ever) I mean I doubt they're also going to make the new chaos campaign against eldar if this release is including eldar.
And this was all from the rumor mongers that people said were legit.
I don't think anybody believed that list to be anything more than wishlisting, no matter how good it all looked.
And as was repeatedly pointed out, Yriel joins the Hrlequins at the end of Valedor, so it wouldn't have been such a big thing if it was replicated on the table top.
Don Savik wrote: So this pretty much debunks all the nonsense eldar rumors of black library nonsense? (harlequin Yriel was the dumbest thing I've heard ever) I mean I doubt they're also going to make the new chaos campaign against eldar if this release is including eldar.
And this was all from the rumor mongers that people said were legit.
As salty as that big list tasted I don't see anything so far that contradicts it. Having a model(Eldrad) in the Death masque box doesn't mean that GW wont release another set further down the line with it in as well, especially if one of them is not a permanent stock item.
Don Savik wrote: So this pretty much debunks all the nonsense eldar rumors of black library nonsense? (harlequin Yriel was the dumbest thing I've heard ever) I mean I doubt they're also going to make the new chaos campaign against eldar if this release is including eldar.
And this was all from the rumor mongers that people said were legit.
I don't think anybody believed that list to be anything more than wishlisting, no matter how good it all looked.
And as was repeatedly pointed out, Yriel joins the Hrlequins at the end of Valedor, so it wouldn't have been such a big thing if it was replicated on the table top.
I never got the impression he actually joined them.
"Long dead souls gather behind
The Rebirth of Ancient Days"
Hmm, plastic Aspects confirmed? Plastic is made from oil which is dead animals, and "Rebirth of Ancient Days" is the meaning of Biel-Tan...
Note: This may not be 100% serious..!
Jokes aside, its either going to be a major Craftworld per prophecy or there's something else in the background that's not just Eldrad running away with the circus. Or I'm reading far too much into this! (I know which I'm putting the mortgage on!)
Davor wrote: Problem is, what is "good times". For me the WD good times were early 2000's while some said their good times were 2010s which I thought were just horrible after mid 2005+
So for me, I can date the "good times" very precisely to 1981. The "Dungeon Architect" series by Roger Musson is still probably some of the best GMing / RPG worldbuilding advice I have ever seen, and still influential on my own game design and GMing processes.
OK so you have some dull pontificating from Lew Pulsipher around the same era, but Musson's stuff is still solid gold.
Pilum wrote: "Long dead souls gather behind
The Rebirth of Ancient Days"
Hmm, plastic Aspects confirmed? Plastic is made from oil which is dead animals, and "Rebirth of Ancient Days" is the meaning of Biel-Tan...
Note: This may not be 100% serious..!
Jokes aside, its either going to be a major Craftworld per prophecy or there's something else in the background that's not just Eldrad running away with the circus. Or I'm reading far too much into this! (I know which I'm putting the mortgage on!)
Long dead souls- maybe Phoenix Lords gathering with Biel-Tan?
Sounds interesting! I'd have thought plastic aspects would be saved for the next big edition of eldar in 8th maybe? [I don't want to get my hopes up and neither does my wallet!]
The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.
Good one, Feait, I'll believe it when I see it
I know it is Faeit, but I hope this is true. If it is, I'll be getting 3. And it does make sense, as it is one of the few units without an available model for sale, and a popular one to boot.
Warpig1815 wrote: So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?
No, they will get the obvious avatar of the machine god- a titan.
Hi! FYI on the new White Dwarf: It will be like good old times. But lets focus on releases:
Free Gift Miniature is a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade(existing)
Kharn the Betrayer is a new release but not the free gift, coming alongside a new supplement that contains new rules for CSM, including Renegade Knights etc. It is called "Traitor's Hate" and has a Black Crusade label on it.
Deathwatch is going to be huge. There will be repacked boxes of existing Space Marines with additional Deathwatch sprues. What I remember is:
- Dreadnoughts
- Bikes
- Vanguard
- Razorback
- Land Raider
- Space Marine Characters
- New Character
- Flyer
- Deathwatch Squad
Aaaaaand:
The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.
Thats what I remember. And trust me. The new WD is just awesome... good old times are back!!! 14 pages of battle report for example!
Wow....Faeit you just never give up do you? You are almost as bad as the hack/clickbaitduche know as larry velah aka BloS.... I mean I can make up crap to and post it on the interwebz. Or I can wait until proven people post stuff and then post it a day or two later and " Make it a little better"....
PS that post had nothing to do with you Zam, was not directed at you in any way.
Davor wrote: Problem is, what is "good times". For me the WD good times were early 2000's while some said their good times were 2010s which I thought were just horrible after mid 2005+
So for me, I can date the "good times" very precisely to 1981. The "Dungeon Architect" series by Roger Musson is still probably some of the best GMing / RPG worldbuilding advice I have ever seen, and still influential on my own game design and GMing processes.
OK so you have some dull pontificating from Lew Pulsipher around the same era, but Musson's stuff is still solid gold.
/old-timer
lol you got me beat. I only started in Rogue Trader but stopped because nobody played and couldn't buy product. Got back in the 2000s.
Hi! FYI on the new White Dwarf: It will be like good old times. But lets focus on releases:
Free Gift Miniature is a Slaughterpriest with Hackblade(existing)
Kharn the Betrayer is a new release but not the free gift, coming alongside a new supplement that contains new rules for CSM, including Renegade Knights etc. It is called "Traitor's Hate" and has a Black Crusade label on it.
Deathwatch is going to be huge. There will be repacked boxes of existing Space Marines with additional Deathwatch sprues. What I remember is:
- Dreadnoughts
- Bikes
- Vanguard
- Razorback
- Land Raider
- Space Marine Characters
- New Character
- Flyer
- Deathwatch Squad
Aaaaaand:
The Void Shield Generator... yes, it is back in september - and its plastic! Same model as the limited one.
Thats what I remember. And trust me. The new WD is just awesome... good old times are back!!! 14 pages of battle report for example!
Wow....Faeit you just never give up do you? You are almost as bad as the hack/clickbaitduche know as larry velah aka BloS.... I mean I can make up crap to and post it on the interwebz. Or I can wait until proven people post stuff and then post it a day or two later and " Make it a little better"....
PS that post had nothing to do with you Zam, was not directed at you in any way.
Splash releases of existing kits bundled with new upgrade sprues actually sounds plausible. They did it for Black Templars back in the day, and far more recently, Space Wolves saw Long Fangs, Sky Claws, and other box sets.
VSG in plastic I hope is true, as it is one of the few units without a model for sale, and a popular one at that. If this is true, they have me for 2-3 of them.
Agreed that Faeit is a worthless site. But even they get it right sometimes They are about 400 true to 900 false, but that is still about a 30% chance of being accurate
Warpig1815 wrote: So what would the Adeptus Mechanicus get - the Void Dragon?
They get lumped in with all the imperial factions kinda like all eldar do with ynnead avatar.
The best a new imperial guard can hope for is a new "Solar" Creed character which still isn't the same power level as primarchs, avatars, silent King, ghaz character. Tyranids have thier rumoured hive mind bug.
Oh I was just musing. Having the Void Dragon wake up would be rather an interesting concept...
This is a genuine enquiry, not snark, because it baffles me and perhaps you can explain: why do people find fluff advances that fundamentally change the nature of their subject appealing? I don't mean edge-tinkering "advancement" of a storyline or soft-retcons to introduce new elements to support model releases, I mean theme-and-tone-shattering shifts that must inevitably alter most if not all of the things that characterise the subject of the changes.
There's no way GW confirming 100% no-ambiguity that the Dragon is on Mars, did actually cause the AdMech, and has now awoken could do anything other than fundamentally change the faction, perhaps even destroy it utterly in favour of multiple new and very different factions - so where on earth is the appeal of that for someone who actually likes the Adeptus Mechanicus for what they are?
Breotan wrote: I don't know if they'll continue the shoulderpad motif to Dreads or not. More likely is to replace the front armor plate with Deathwatch specific plating instead and have some icon for the shoulder(s).
I meant something like this:
Spoiler:
Yes, I understood what you were after, I just wonder if they'll actually do it or if they'll just replace the front plate? Given they're including the Ven Dread, it seems like the front plate is the easiest way to go. Then again, who knows? Maybe GW will go the extra mile.
My assessment of Faeit's "predictions" added inline, below.
- Dreadnoughts (Front plate of sarcophagus, plus icons on upgrade sprue)
- Bikes (Front fairing on upgrade sprue)
- Vanguard (Bits, plus DW weapons/shoulderpads on upgrade sprue)
- Razorback (Doors plus icons on upgrade sprue)
- Land Raider (Doors/ramp plus icons on upgrade sprue)
- Space Marine Characters (none specifically except for the one below)
- New Character (Artimus, the big metal 50mm guy from Inquisitor redone as plastic clamshell)
- Flyer (Doors/ramp plus icons on upgrade sprue)
- Deathwatch Squad (new plastic multi-part kit)
Not seeing all the Deathwatch info in one spot yet....
The Codex Layout and Rules: This is a very different layout and organization than the traditional Codex: Space Marines.
The codex will contain a very small number of units and many characters.
Every Character from Deathwatch Overkill is included.
There will be a HQ choice.
There will be 1-2 Troops unit choices.
3-5 Formations.
Drop Pods are in the codex.
The big theme of the codex is customization. While the number of units is very small, there are lavish and exhaustive upgrade options for each and every model in the army. Things such as wargear, weapons, and even originating chapters all can be picked and have in-game effects.
There’s a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer dual kit with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.
28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.
Deathwatch Kill Team Kit Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit
SM-box-sternguard Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:
– Over a dozen shoulder pads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)
– New Deathwatch heads
– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks
– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)
russian69hitman wrote: There’s a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer dual kit with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.
I don't see how you get "very sleek" from the shape of the =I= symbol. I'm not a fan of the Cestus or the SW version and that's what's coming to mind, but I'll keep the optimism going for this.
russian69hitman wrote: There’s a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer dual kit with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.
I don't see how you get "very sleek" from the shape of the =I= symbol. I'm not a fan of the Cestus or the SW version and that's what's coming to mind, but I'll keep the optimism going for this.
SM fliers are meant to fly like a brick threw a window.
The talk said it was like a cross between an Imperium aircraft and Tau, but not as sleek as Tau. What does that mean? Is it actually a hybrid craft? Which would be sick as hell. Or does it mean from an artistic and aesthetics point? It then said it had the Inquisitorial I on it.
I think it's the latter in this case. Either way I'm looking forward to it.
Gamgee wrote: The talk said it was like a cross between an Imperium aircraft and Tau, but not as sleek as Tau. What does that mean? Is it actually a hybrid craft? Which would be sick as hell. Or does it mean from an artistic and aesthetics point? It then said it had the Inquisitorial I on it.
I think it's the latter in this case. Either way I'm looking forward to it.
I could see it being more sleek and less boxy. Perhaps not B-2 Spirit level, but maybe like an F-117 Nighthawk.
Not seeing all the Deathwatch info in one spot yet....
The Codex Layout and Rules: This is a very different layout and organization than the traditional Codex: Space Marines.
The codex will contain a very small number of units and many characters.
Every Character from Deathwatch Overkill is included.
There will be a HQ choice.
There will be 1-2 Troops unit choices.
3-5 Formations.
Drop Pods are in the codex.
The big theme of the codex is customization. While the number of units is very small, there are lavish and exhaustive upgrade options for each and every model in the army. Things such as wargear, weapons, and even originating chapters all can be picked and have in-game effects.
There’s a pretty cool, very sleek dropship/flyer dual kit with an enormous Inquisition =I= as fuselage.
28mm Capt. Artemis is also a go, probably a single character clam pack.
Deathwatch Kill Team Kit Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit
SM-box-sternguard Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:
– Over a dozen shoulder pads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)
– New Deathwatch heads
– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks
– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)
– Deathwatch pouches, seals, etc, minor bits.
Where does that list come from? Because the "Sternguard with additional Deathwatch sprue" thing was debunked by Sad Panda.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Agreed that Faeit is a worthless site. But even they get it right sometimes They are about 400 true to 900 false, but that is still about a 30% chance of being accurate
And how many of those they simply grabbed from elsewhere ergo you could have gotten them faster from the real source rather than try to figure out what from faeith is crap and what was taken from elsewhere? How much accurate stuff Faeith has up first?
Accurate stuff from that list as well were posted elsewhere before faeith...
There's no reason to follow that site. Lots of trash, when they put in accurate stuff you have already seen them elsewhere.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Agreed that Faeit is a worthless site. But even they get it right sometimes They are about 400 true to 900 false, but that is still about a 30% chance of being accurate
And how many of those they simply grabbed from elsewhere ergo you could have gotten them faster from the real source rather than try to figure out what from faeith is crap and what was taken from elsewhere? How much accurate stuff Faeith has up first?
Accurate stuff from that list as well were posted elsewhere before faeith...
There's no reason to follow that site. Lots of trash, when they put in accurate stuff you have already seen them elsewhere.
tneva82 wrote: And how many of those they simply grabbed from elsewhere ergo you could have gotten them faster from the real source rather than try to figure out what from faeith is crap and what was taken from elsewhere? How much accurate stuff Faeith has up first?
Accurate stuff from that list as well were posted elsewhere before faeith...
There's no reason to follow that site. Lots of trash, when they put in accurate stuff you have already seen them elsewhere.
Sounds like you suffer from a lack faeith...
Edit: A simple one liner is defeated by constant quotation fails
This is a genuine enquiry, not snark, because it baffles me and perhaps you can explain: why do people find fluff advances that fundamentally change the nature of their subject appealing? I don't mean edge-tinkering "advancement" of a storyline or soft-retcons to introduce new elements to support model releases, I mean theme-and-tone-shattering shifts that must inevitably alter most if not all of the things that characterise the subject of the changes.
This is a terrific question. It's a topic that I discussed with one of the Black Liberary writers a couple months ago.
The answer: Currently 40k feels like professional wrestling.
I've been playing since 1988 and at this point I'm not excited about any big conflicts at this point.
Orks hit Armaggeddon and are making a mess of things. So what? There's no reprocussions for the lost output of the Forgeworld.
Tyranids hit the Shield Worlds, made a mess of things and weren't stopped. So what? There's no reprocussions to the Blood Angels for losing so many warriors in that fight.
13th Black Crusade where Chaos gets on Cadia. So what?
None of it changes the way the game is played or fundamentally alters the structure of the universe. The Imperium is still bloated and endlessly big, Eldar are still "waining" or whatever that means, Chaos is still plotting to get back in. There's huge fights with heroics and trechery, and secrets are revealed or knowledge lost! But nothing really changes in the big picture- it means nothing. Oh sure there's some fluff text here and there about how "desperate" things are or "teatering on the edge" but all those vauge words haven't altered a thing for a very long time. My army composition isn't changed, etc... etc...
Just like the Imperium fluff, the setting has become static and imobile while only sounding vaguely new. If these events aren't going to actually effect things, then all the excitement is drained out of it. Thus the wrestling example. There's lots of promises of events that could happen, or might happen, but for over twenty years, they haven't happened; you an only tease people so much with a posibility before they stop paying attention to it.
If this is a change, a REAL change, then I'm very excited for it.
tneva82 wrote: And how many of those they simply grabbed from elsewhere ergo you could have gotten them faster from the real source rather than try to figure out what from faeith is crap and what was taken from elsewhere? How much accurate stuff Faeith has up first?
Accurate stuff from that list as well were posted elsewhere before faeith...
There's no reason to follow that site. Lots of trash, when they put in accurate stuff you have already seen them elsewhere.
Sounds like you suffer from a lack faeith...
Edit: A simple one liner is defeated by constant quotation fails
The less one hears from that useless junk size the less time one wastes by having to filter off anything anybody posts from that utter waste of internet space only existing to filling purse of whoever is running that. Readers don't benefit unless they enjoy reading made up junk.
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Moopy wrote: None of it changes the way the game is played or fundamentally alters the structure of the universe. The Imperium is still bloated and endlessly big, Eldar are still "waining" or whatever that means, Chaos is still plotting to get back in. There's huge fights with heroics and trechery, and secrets are revealed or knowledge lost! But nothing really changes in the big picture- it means nothing. Oh sure there's some fluff text here and there about how "desperate" things are or "teatering on the edge" but all those vauge words haven't altered a thing for a very long time. My army composition isn't changed, etc... etc...
This assumes 40k is advancing story(that by nature then stiffles players freedom) rather than setting for players to make up their own stories.
You are supposed to do your own stories in the setting in which case there's changes. You aren't supposed to just read what GW feeds you on.
This is a genuine enquiry, not snark, because it baffles me and perhaps you can explain: why do people find fluff advances that fundamentally change the nature of their subject appealing? I don't mean edge-tinkering "advancement" of a storyline or soft-retcons to introduce new elements to support model releases, I mean theme-and-tone-shattering shifts that must inevitably alter most if not all of the things that characterise the subject of the changes.
This is a terrific question. It's a topic that I discussed with one of the Black Liberary writers a couple months ago.
The answer: Currently 40k feels like professional wrestling.
I've been playing since 1988 and at this point I'm not excited about any big conflicts at this point.
Orks hit Armaggeddon and are making a mess of things. So what? There's no reprocussions for the lost output of the Forgeworld.
Tyranids hit the Shield Worlds, made a mess of things and weren't stopped. So what? There's no reprocussions to the Blood Angels for losing so many warriors in that fight.
13th Black Crusade where Chaos gets on Cadia. So what?
None of it changes the way the game is played or fundamentally alters the structure of the universe. The Imperium is still bloated and endlessly big, Eldar are still "waining" or whatever that means, Chaos is still plotting to get back in. There's huge fights with heroics and trechery, and secrets are revealed or knowledge lost! But nothing really changes in the big picture- it means nothing. Oh sure there's some fluff text here and there about how "desperate" things are or "teatering on the edge" but all those vauge words haven't altered a thing for a very long time. My army composition isn't changed, etc... etc...
Just like the Imperium fluff, the setting has become static and imobile while only sounding vaguely new. If these events aren't going to actually effect things, then all the excitement is drained out of it. Thus the wrestling example. There's lots of promises of events that could happen, or might happen, but for over twenty years, they haven't happened; you an only tease people so much with a posibility before they stop paying attention to it.
If this is a change, a REAL change, then I'm very excited for it.
I didn't think I would, but I actually agree with the sentiment of this post. It would be nice to shift things along a little. They just need to be careful about what they do. I'm not one to hate on AoS but I think regarding the fluff, they dropped the ball there. 40k has a rich and deep background, souring that milk would be very unwise IMO. Part of the attraction to the game, and the reason so many people are willing to overlook all the rules inconsistencies and imbalance is the fluff and how flexible it is for players to make their own faction and drop it into this insane and crazy world that has a long and complicated history.
Sure, move things forward, but tread carefully.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: But 40K isn't a story. It's a setting. It's a place you can tell endless stories in, not a story unto itself.
That's fine, the setting should be set in stone IMO. But there are still tonnes of stories within that setting that can be advanced without ruining it.
Moopy wrote: None of it changes the way the game is played or fundamentally alters the structure of the universe. The Imperium is still bloated and endlessly big, Eldar are still "waining" or whatever that means, Chaos is still plotting to get back in. There's huge fights with heroics and trechery, and secrets are revealed or knowledge lost! But nothing really changes in the big picture- it means nothing. Oh sure there's some fluff text here and there about how "desperate" things are or "teatering on the edge" but all those vauge words haven't altered a thing for a very long time. My army composition isn't changed, etc... etc...
This assumes 40k is advancing story(that by nature then stiffles players freedom) rather than setting for players to make up their own stories.
You are supposed to do your own stories in the setting in which case there's changes. You aren't supposed to just read what GW feeds you on.
But is IS an advancing story, at least on paper. All the big summer events that I took part of are now part of the narrative in the timeline (Armageddon 3, 13th Black Crusade, Fall of Medusa, etc)- these are in most of the codexs/main rule box in some form or another. The let down is that they changed nothing.
Also, YES, you can make up your own stories AS WELL, but they're within the framework of the larger one. There's no "Supposed to" anywhere; you can but there's no rule saying that's the only way.
General Kroll wrote: ... the setting should be set in stone IMO. But there are still tonnes of stories within that setting that can be advanced without ruining it.
Stories can be advanced, as long as they don't change the setting.
I've always seen 40K as the opposite of Battletech in structure:
40K is a setting. Battletech is a story. One is static and allows you to tell stories. The other moves forward and you can pick where to jump in.
Moopy wrote: None of it changes the way the game is played or fundamentally alters the structure of the universe. The Imperium is still bloated and endlessly big, Eldar are still "waining" or whatever that means, Chaos is still plotting to get back in. There's huge fights with heroics and trechery, and secrets are revealed or knowledge lost! But nothing really changes in the big picture- it means nothing. Oh sure there's some fluff text here and there about how "desperate" things are or "teatering on the edge" but all those vauge words haven't altered a thing for a very long time. My army composition isn't changed, etc... etc...
This assumes 40k is advancing story(that by nature then stiffles players freedom) rather than setting for players to make up their own stories.
You are supposed to do your own stories in the setting in which case there's changes. You aren't supposed to just read what GW feeds you on.
But is IS an advancing story, at least on paper. All the big summer events that I took part of are now part of the narrative in the timeline (Armageddon 3, 13th Black Crusade, Fall of Medusa, etc)- these are in most of the codexs/main rule box in some form or another. The let down is that they changed nothing.
Also, YES, you can make up your own stories AS WELL, but they're within the framework of the larger one. There's no "Supposed to" anywhere; you can but there's no rule saying that's the only way.
Yeah. It's advancing story. Which is against what 40k really is. Setting. Not advancing story.
And yeah you can make up your own stories as well. You just need to rewrite those all the time when GW decides to change things...
GW should just keep 40k what it was originally. Setting. Not a story. When you have a story you need things to change which then will piss off customers whose army gets screwed. And it stiffles players own freedom as either they refrain from changing story or they have to rewrite their story all the time GW decides to spoonfeed next part of change in the story.
Yeah. It's advancing story. Which is against what 40k really is. Setting. Not advancing story.
And yeah you can make up your own stories as well. You just need to rewrite those all the time when GW decides to change things...
GW should just keep 40k what it was originally. Setting. Not a story. When you have a story you need things to change which then will piss off customers whose army gets screwed. And it stiffles players own freedom as either they refrain from changing story or they have to rewrite their story all the time GW decides to spoonfeed next part of change in the story.
I completely disagree that a setting has to be static. Static is ultimately boring. The Imperium will never lose the Gothic Sector no matter how many ork/necron/crazy-go-nuts things happen in it. So who cares if those things happen at all? I will say that too much change too fast is also not good, but if these rumor are true, then we're look at the first real change in the way things work in what? Over twenty years? About time.
Change does not stifle the players freedom- it offers new venues for different stories. If changes cripple a player's army, then yes that's a bad design choice, but inherently change isn't always bad. If it offers them new ways to play, then that can be fun.
If you don't agree, that's ok. I think we've made our points here for those that like and don't.
I completely disagree that a setting has to be static. Static is ultimately boring. The Imperium will never lose the Gothic Sector no matter how many ork/necron/crazy-go-nuts things happen in it. So who cares if those things happen at all? I will say that too much change too fast is also not good, but if these rumor are true, then we're look at the first real change in the way things work in what? Over twenty years? About time.
Change does not stifle the players freedom- it offers new venues for different stories. If changes cripple a player's army, then yes that's a bad design choice, but inherently change isn't always bad. If it offers them new ways to play, then that can be fun.
If you don't agree, that's ok. I think we've made our points here for those that like and don't.
Again you are mixing with setting and story. Setting is static. It's not supposed to change. It's there to give players freedom to take story where they want.
Change the setting and it invalidates players own stories. Players have advanced story so that chaos is at the doorsteps of Earth itself? Then GW releases next instalment and boom chaos isn't anywhere near earth. Back to drawing board player. Don't try to advance story where we didn't want you to go.
Or howabout player story has advanced to the point that hive fleet overran earth. How that makes sense when GW changes setting again and Earth is still standing? Huh?
And if story changes don't have change in armies and world then it's irrelevant change. Say hello to what GW has been doing.
Again you are mixing with setting and story. Setting is static. It's not supposed to change. It's there to give players freedom to take story where they want.
Change the setting and it invalidates players own stories. Players have advanced story so that chaos is at the doorsteps of Earth itself? Then GW releases next instalment and boom chaos isn't anywhere near earth. Back to drawing board player. Don't try to advance story where we didn't want you to go.
Or howabout player story has advanced to the point that hive fleet overran earth. How that makes sense when GW changes setting again and Earth is still standing? Huh?
Uhhhhhh... sorry, the content holder is not held prisoner to events made up by it's followers, nor should it be. We use your logic then as soon as someone writes a story that the imperium has stopped using bolters, then GW shouldn't make figures with bolters? Complete hogwash.
Player stories aren't cannon, as everyone tells their own stories that would contradict each other. They hold no bearing on the bigger picture, even though they are fun for the individual. The IP holder does that, and if the IP holder wants to advance things, then great! More opportunities to tell new stories! Just because you haven something in your head about how things go in your house, doesn't mean everything has to stop because it might upset you.
And again, NO, the setting never has to be static.
Uhhhhhh... sorry, the content holders are not held prisoner to events made up by its followers, nor should it be. We use your logic then as soon as someone writes a story that the imperium has stopped using bolters, then GW shouldn't make figures with bolters? Complete hogwash.
Player stories aren't canon, as everyone tells their own stories that would contradict each other. They hold no bearing on the bigger picture, even though they are fun for the individual. The IP holder does that, and if the IP holder wants to advance things, then great! More opportunities to tell new stories! Just because you haven something in your head about how things go in your house, doesn't mean everything has to stop because it might upset you.
Quoted for truth.
Fascinating as this discussion is, can we get back to the releases and rumours, please?
Moopy wrote: Uhhhhhh... sorry, the content holder is not held prisoner to events made up by it's followers, nor should it be. We use your logic then as soon as someone writes a story that the imperium has stopped using bolters, then GW shouldn't make figures with bolters? Complete hogwash.
Player stories aren't cannon, as everyone tells their own stories that would contradict each other. They hold no bearing on the bigger picture, even though they are fun for the individual. The IP holder does that, and if the IP holder wants to advance things, then great! More opportunities to tell new stories! Just because you haven something in your head about how things go in your house, doesn't mean everything has to stop because it might upset you.
And again, NO, the setting never has to be static.
Yes you are correct. However that's the point of SETTING over STORY. Players are free to create their own stories in a setting. Story however players can't do that because they get overwritten by company.
That's the difference between SETTING and STORY. You keep mixing them up.
40k used to be a SETTING. Now you want it to be STORY which is completely different to SETTING.
Whole god damn point of setting is that it is set. Then players are free to do their own stories.
Again: I'm talking about SETTING which is what 40k used to be. You are talking about STORY that you want 40k to be.
40k isn't about waiting GW to tell us whether Abbadon succeeds in 13th black crusade or not. You play it out yourself. Then you have next part of story to be played out.
You want GW to spoonfeed us the story. But that's not how 40k used to be. If you want stories there's plenty out there. Lot less settings...
... They've been adding or changing or moving the timeline around since before third edition. We had campaigns from GW such as the infamous eye of terror campaign, Armageddon, that one that introduced vostroyans.
Advancing the setting isn't w bad thing, it gives you more room to base your games/campaigns/stories on. Can set your campaign during the Beast Arises, or perhaps the time of two Imperiums, or now, with the return of the primarchs and (potential) birth of Ynnead.
I'm pretty sure more people will be happy they finally are moving things a long a little bit, than will be actually upset by it.
Spoiler:
in summary, qq
On topic, I want to see the actual Deathwatch upgrade sprue and the veterans kit. Hard to see them having much room for things after the shoulder pad/elbow shield thing.
Errmmm - more of the releases, less of the semantics gentlemen/women? You've made your points, and you're unlikely to concede on each others, so lets not jam up the thread with an OT conversation please. I'd suggest moving over to 40k General Diiscussion for this.
daemonish wrote: It seems all the Pictomancers are on their jollys (vacation for all those people that don't speak niche English).
The pictures generally come from White Dwarf. If there's no Weekly White Dwarf(which August is supposed to not have any Weekly White Dwarfs), then there's no pictures.
September is supposed to have all the Deathwatch stuff in it, since WD is going to look at the previous month's releases.
Around this time next week we'll get some shaky pics of the box and codex, maybe also that one cool dude from Warseer will start leaking the codex this weekend or so.
Requizen wrote: Around this time next week we'll get some shaky pics of the box and codex, maybe also that one cool dude from Warseer will start leaking the codex this weekend or so.
Requizen wrote: Around this time next week we'll get some shaky pics of the box and codex, maybe also that one cool dude from Warseer will start leaking the codex this weekend or so.
Aren't they going up for preorder on saturday?
from what i understand yes this weekend, they are out the 13th. its very odd that no pictures are about. very odd
Requizen wrote: Around this time next week we'll get some shaky pics of the box and codex, maybe also that one cool dude from Warseer will start leaking the codex this weekend or so.
Aren't they going up for preorder on saturday?
from what i understand yes this weekend, they are out the 13th. its very odd that no pictures are about. very odd
It's not, because as Kanluwen said, the leaks come from White Dwarf. There's no weekly WD this month, and the September issue will look back at these releases, so there's no magazine for leaks to come from yet.
It's likely one of the driving forces behind the new WD format was to better control the leaks. GW probably wants leaks to help build hype, but without WD to supply pics in advance, they have more control over the flow of information.
Azreal13 wrote: Which was one of the exact same reasons cited when they switched to a weekly format.
Weekly format was great for showing off new stuff but now they decided to join the 21st century (a decade late, but hey they got there), and realized they can use Social Media to do the same thing.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
It gets even better if you filter by his posts or read some of the crap he's put out there for AoS.
Gamgee has this weird obsession that Slaanesh is being removed for the sake of "kid friendlying" GW's products.
PS Gamgee? Yneead, the nascent Eldar god of the dead? The intention of the Eldar is not that Yneead "replaces" Slaanesh. It's that Yneead defeats Slaanesh.
More Deathwatch info (from Spanish site, translated)
The box will apparently bring enough new minis:
1 Watch Captain Artemis
5 Deathwatch Veterans
5 Vanguard Veterans
1 Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue
1 Venerable Dreadnought
1 Eldrad Ultran
12 Harlequins
1 Death Jester
1 Voidweaver
2 Skyweavers
1 Harlequin transfer sheet.
208 pg40k Rulebook with special Death Watch Cover (I imagine that the 40K Softcover manual) quite a lot of minis at one price more than likely from $150.
If the minis of the Deathwatch Overkill half are cool foresee them a great success...
Another source just hours ago -
Have could see them news dedicated to the Deathwatch that landed in prepedido this Saturday: Death Masque, new box of Warhammer 40,000 that faces to the Eldars of Eldrad Ulthran against a nothing despicable force of the Deathwatch led by the captain Artemis.
Among the innovations that accompany this launch there will be rumored Codex for the Deathwatch faction - the price is possibly less since they have fewer pages, objective and given themed cards.
If we compare the price with other boxes of 40 k see that stays online games specialist as Deathwatch Overkill, but for a basic box (includes rules of Warhammer 40 k) a little hands will be if we compare it with the price of dark revenge, with a price that was around one hundred euros. Hobby topics already know, scabies to taste...
Death Masque contents are as follows: Eldars: 1 Eldrad Ulthran 1 Death Jester 12 Harlequins 1 Voidweaver 2 Skyweavers 1 sheet of decals for Harlequins Deathwatch: 1 Watch Captain Artemis 5 Deathwatch Veterans 5 Veterans 1 Venerable Dreadnought 1 matrix of improvements for the Deathwatch box includes a copy of the 40 k rules in softcover (208 pages) with the cover of Captain Artemis , rules for all the miniatures included, as well as a sheet of training for each faction. The conflict between both forces are situated in Port Demensus, giving it a narrative to confrontation, divided into three playable scenarios.
Unfortunately the flying of the Deathwatch commented Sad Panda has fallen from the launch, so if leave will do so later. Also with this succulent box now can begin the hostilities.
That if this is a starter with a rulebook and a load of harlequins for current 40k that I'll:
Potentially start playing 40k again (not likely)
or
Sell the little rulebook and probably the DW stuff
I wonder if the dying star Watch Fortress Erioch orbits might just be the forge that Eldrad needs to kick start his new goddess ?
Could be why the Deathwatch gets cross enough with him to need a new box set if the star comes back to live and melts their main home base
It's not about a new Goddess. Their talking about killing "She who Dance-moans, She who Thirsts....Slaanesh. They think they can kill her. But 40k being 40K they will fail at it, or will somehow make it worse. With some minor victories along the way. Maybe Ynnead manifests, but if it does it won't be walking into the Warp and punching Slaanesh in the face. Even Khorne was unable to kill Slaanesh or prevent its birth.
The box will apparently bring enough new minis:
1 Watch Captain Artemis
5 Deathwatch Veterans
5 Vanguard Veterans
1 Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue
1 Venerable Dreadnought
1 Eldrad Ultran
12 Harlequins
1 Death Jester
1 Voidweaver
2 Skyweavers
1 Harlequin transfer sheet.
208 pg40k Rulebook with special Death Watch Cover (I imagine that the 40K Softcover manual) quite a lot of minis at one price more than likely from $150.
If the minis of the Deathwatch Overkill half are cool foresee them a great success...
Another source just hours ago -
Have could see them news dedicated to the Deathwatch that landed in prepedido this Saturday: Death Masque, new box of Warhammer 40,000 that faces to the Eldars of Eldrad Ulthran against a nothing despicable force of the Deathwatch led by the captain Artemis.
Among the innovations that accompany this launch there will be rumored Codex for the Deathwatch faction - the price is possibly less since they have fewer pages, objective and given themed cards.
If we compare the price with other boxes of 40 k see that stays online games specialist as Deathwatch Overkill, but for a basic box (includes rules of Warhammer 40 k) a little hands will be if we compare it with the price of dark revenge, with a price that was around one hundred euros. Hobby topics already know, scabies to taste...
Death Masque contents are as follows: Eldars: 1 Eldrad Ulthran 1 Death Jester 12 Harlequins 1 Voidweaver 2 Skyweavers 1 sheet of decals for Harlequins Deathwatch: 1 Watch Captain Artemis 5 Deathwatch Veterans 5 Veterans 1 Venerable Dreadnought 1 matrix of improvements for the Deathwatch box includes a copy of the 40 k rules in softcover (208 pages) with the cover of Captain Artemis , rules for all the miniatures included, as well as a sheet of training for each faction. The conflict between both forces are situated in Port Demensus, giving it a narrative to confrontation, divided into three playable scenarios.
Unfortunately the flying of the Deathwatch commented Sad Panda has fallen from the launch, so if leave will do so later. Also with this succulent box now can begin the hostilities.
I love how these sites are posting this stuff after retailers have posted pictures of the order sheet with prices and the "promo material" stuff that gets sent to them...and people are still acting as if it's new when posted on other websites.
Still seems to me that GW are building up to a return and expansion of the events of the 13th black crusade. IIRC Eldrad was killed trying to capture a Blackstone fortress/Talisman of Vaul from Chaos. "Moving the story forward" probably amounts to just after Chaos breaks through the Cadian gate into the wider Imperium. The perfect moment for various villains and hero's of myth to make there dramatic entrance in a cliff hanger ending.
Have could see them news dedicated to the Deathwatch that landed in prepedido this Saturday: Death Masque, new box of Warhammer 40,000 that faces to the Eldars of Eldrad Ulthran against a nothing despicable force of the Deathwatch led by the captain Artemis.
Among the innovations that accompany this launch there will be rumored Codex for the Deathwatch faction - the price is possibly less since they have fewer pages, objective and given themed cards.
If we compare the price with other boxes of 40 k see that stays online games specialist as Deathwatch Overkill, but for a basic box (includes rules of Warhammer 40 k) a little hands will be if we compare it with the price of dark revenge, with a price that was around one hundred euros. Hobby topics already know, scabies to taste...
Unfortunately the flying of the Deathwatch commented Sad Panda has fallen from the launch, so if leave will do so later. Also with this succulent box now can begin the hostilities.
That translation.
It is... almost... English. Still, I like the sound of scabies to taste.
Have could see them news dedicated to the Deathwatch that landed in prepedido this Saturday: Death Masque, new box of Warhammer 40,000 that faces to the Eldars of Eldrad Ulthran against a nothing despicable force of the Deathwatch led by the captain Artemis.
Among the innovations that accompany this launch there will be rumored Codex for the Deathwatch faction - the price is possibly less since they have fewer pages, objective and given themed cards.
If we compare the price with other boxes of 40 k see that stays online games specialist as Deathwatch Overkill, but for a basic box (includes rules of Warhammer 40 k) a little hands will be if we compare it with the price of dark revenge, with a price that was around one hundred euros. Hobby topics already know, scabies to taste...
Unfortunately the flying of the Deathwatch commented Sad Panda has fallen from the launch, so if leave will do so later. Also with this succulent box now can begin the hostilities.
That translation.
It is... almost... English. Still, I like the sound of scabies to taste.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
I've been saying this since last year and beyond when there were zero peeps. You can check my post record if you don't believe me.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
I've been saying this since last year and beyond when there were zero peeps. You can check my post record if you don't believe me.
And there's still zero evidence they're actually removing Slaanesh, in fact there's more substantial evidence to the contrary. For an example, check the All-Gates AoS book, which has Slaanesh followers making a pact with Clan Eshin for an as yet unknown reason, and AoS as a whole, which you are using as an example, is building up to a Slaanesh comeback in some way. As for the 'toning down' of Slaanesh, if you read any of the Slaanesh fluff from AoS they've doubled down on the debauchery and depravity, so not toned down exactly.
From a 40k perspective, there's nothing to say the Ynnead plot will be a major success, or even a success at all. Looking at all the other recent campaigns, all sides have had significant losses to offset the victory (death of Aun'va and the Raven Guard CM, loss of Damocles to both sides, possible loss of the Fenris system and loss of the Cryptus system) so who is to say it won't happen again? It's just as possible Ynnead will be birthed but won't defeat Slaanesh, or Ynnead won't be birthed at all. The 'big prophecy' all you people are touting as proof isn't even that Slaanesh will go away, it's only that the Eldar will be freed from Slaanesh devouring their souls, probably through Cegorach's treachery
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
I've been saying this since last year and beyond when there were zero peeps. You can check my post record if you don't believe me.
SO...from a fellow Canadian what you want to here is "Look! I was right, GW is getting rid of Slannesh to make their game/miniature line more 'kid friendly' and they are going to do it by bringing in the Eldar God of Death who is suppost to come to life (sic) when all the craftworlds infinity circuits meld into him then he will totally pwnzer Slannesh so that little timmies mom will buy him more GW miniatures because now there is no overt boob on it?
If that's the case you really have won the internet...here have 10,000 internets on me cause what are friends for right? Just watch out when you mix injecting the internets and marijuana strange things happen my fellow Canuck
So I might get one tiny detail wrong in that the new god is added into the pantheon and Slaanesh doesn't go away. Point is people called me crazy for suggesting any of this at all and end times.
Edit
Thanks for the internets. I like to keep tabs on this stuff.
To be fair, I Think Gamgee has received alot of ridicule for saying early on that this story arc is focused on the eldar scheme to get rid of she who thirsts.
Its a a bit early to say how the setting will be affected by this Campaign, but I Think Gasmgee is entiteled to some credit here.
Who did and didn't 'call it' isn't the point of this thread. Keep it on topic, that's 2 red text posts in just a couple of pages, this thread needs to do better.
Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
We don't actually know if this comes with dice/templates.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
And the sick thing is it's still ridiculous money compared to buying individually. One part being the ridiculously inflated character prices due to GW's obsession with plastic eventhough plastic isn't ideal material for everything.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
Well, it's not being sold as one so there you go. This is absolutely going to be a Shield of Baal: Deathstorm-style release.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
Well, it's not being sold as one so there you go. This is absolutely going to be a Shield of Baal: Deathstorm-style release.
Well save that it kinda is.
it has everything that a starter set has save for one thing its a multi mini part kit instead of a a pushfit one.
It's not really a campaign box as that part is going to be sold separately.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
Well, starter sets are snapfit models. This is just the multi-part kits all combined in a box.
Nope... it's all conjecture at this point. Maybe the fluff is "moving forward" a bit.
But, who knows what the impact will be in 40k gameplay.
As a Harlequin player, I am hopeful for some goodies, so... we'll see.
Wrong. It means... I was right. Feels good calling the future lore movement. I got called crazy so many times when I told them GW was going to do this.
Hahah.
Literally everyone was calling a lore movement. Nostradamus you ain't.
I've been saying this since last year and beyond when there were zero peeps. You can check my post record if you don't believe me.
And there's still zero evidence they're actually removing Slaanesh, in fact there's more substantial evidence to the contrary. For an example, check the All-Gates AoS book, which has Slaanesh followers making a pact with Clan Eshin for an as yet unknown reason, and AoS as a whole, which you are using as an example, is building up to a Slaanesh comeback in some way. As for the 'toning down' of Slaanesh, if you read any of the Slaanesh fluff from AoS they've doubled down on the debauchery and depravity, so not toned down exactly.
From a 40k perspective, there's nothing to say the Ynnead plot will be a major success, or even a success at all. Looking at all the other recent campaigns, all sides have had significant losses to offset the victory (death of Aun'va and the Raven Guard CM, loss of Damocles to both sides, possible loss of the Fenris system and loss of the Cryptus system) so who is to say it won't happen again? It's just as possible Ynnead will be birthed but won't defeat Slaanesh, or Ynnead won't be birthed at all. The 'big prophecy' all you people are touting as proof isn't even that Slaanesh will go away, it's only that the Eldar will be freed from Slaanesh devouring their souls, probably through Cegorach's treachery
This is why I'm sick of all the slaanesh haters who keep saying slaanesh is going away from the fluff. It's clear slaanesh isn't and if anything points towards a big story involving slaanesh, witch as a fan of them I can't wait for some slaanesh focused stuff.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
Wow still no pics, gg GW, although at least we can know the exact contents of upcoming releases, suppose it adds more hype.
Show us da Harlequin vs Deathwatch artwork, cant wait for that, although I hope the book doesn't have some overly cartoony art like Curse of the Wulfen did.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
well this is not a starter, it is a campain pack
Eh not really as the campaign bit will be maybe 2/3 scenarios. The main fluff will be in books which will be sold separately. It's not like Grudge of Drong where you got quite a bit of stuff.
Excited for this release, also, if you've liked the recent dice like the Orruks and Sylvaneth ones, you'll be happy on Saturday alongside this release.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
However it's pretty obvious at the moment GW is heavily utilizing box games to test market desires on products. If there is a sisters box and it doesn't sell I can certainly see sisters being squatted.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
That's what I said please read
Sisters of silence artwork is not really that different that sisters of battle artwork. They are both power armoured bolt gun wielding witch hunting fanatics with long red cloaks.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
That's what I said please read
Sisters of silence artwork is not really that different that sisters of battle artwork. They are both power armoured bolt gun wielding witch hunting fanatics with long red cloaks.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
That's what I said please read
Sisters of silence artwork is not really that different that sisters of battle artwork. They are both power armoured bolt gun wielding witch hunting fanatics with long red cloaks.
But they aren't the same thing.
Which was my point. It is Sisters of Silence in the box, not Sisters of Battle. Obviously intrepid modelers are going to use these models to make Sisters of Battle, but they aren't Sisters of Battle right out of the box.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
And the sick thing is it's still ridiculous money compared to buying individually. One part being the ridiculously inflated character prices due to GW's obsession with plastic eventhough plastic isn't ideal material for everything.
There's 3 character models in there. The Death Jester is $26, Eldrad and Watch-Captain Artemis are the two unknowns.
Removing them from the equation and looking strictly at the Harlequin half of the box? The issue isn't the $26 Death Jester--it's the $40 Harlequin Troupe box with 6 models.
SO $150 for both factions and a rule book, vs two $85 start collecting box sets (provided you are interested in both factions) and an $85 rule book totaling $255 even after what ever saving the $85 start collecting's would give us off of the standard box price of the individual units...right what a rip off! Really? Geez some folks just like to punch the gift horse in the mouth I guess. I for one am pretty excited for this one.
The starter sets are all monopose miniatures with no options. This box will include full multipart kits with all the options and extras that entails. In terms of pure number of pieces of plastic there will be far more in this than in your typical starter set.
Look at it another way it is 4 infantry units at £10 pounds each it is 2 vehicles and a pair of bikes for £10 each. 3 characters for £5 each and £10 for a rule book and scenario book. Any way you look at it that is a good price.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
That's what I said please read
Sisters of silence artwork is not really that different that sisters of battle artwork. They are both power armoured bolt gun wielding witch hunting fanatics with long red cloaks.
But they aren't the same thing.
Which was my point. It is Sisters of Silence in the box, not Sisters of Battle. Obviously intrepid modelers are going to use these models to make Sisters of Battle, but they aren't Sisters of Battle right out of the box.
To be fair you can't even make this assumption because you simply don't know what happened.
After the heresy the remaining sisters of silence completely disappeared with a single reference of ar least one sister of silence becoming one of the founding inqusitors. Which makes complete sense because they were dedicated witch hunters during the heresy.
Roll forward 10000 years later the ecclessiary is formed somehow an entire regiment of sisters of battle is already around and become the militant arm of the eccleissary and again becoming part of the ordo heretic once again witch hunters.
This isn't exactly giant leaps of difference between the two factions except for the odd ability to be blanks for sisters of silence an ability that exists on 40k but hardly explored in the rules anymore. I'd put money down the sisters of silence are the precursor to the sisters of battle. They are that similar. It's about as different as a heresy army for space marines and a second founding chapter.
Chikout wrote: The starter sets are all monopose miniatures with no options. This box will include full multipart kits with all the options and extras that entails. In terms of pure number of pieces of plastic there will be far more in this than in your typical starter set. Look at it another way it is 4 infantry units at £10 pounds each it is 2 vehicles and a pair of bikes for £10 each. 3 characters for £5 each and £10 for a rule book and scenario book. Any way you look at it that is a good price.
Age of Sigmar is the only starter set so far with options. Or the Bloodreavers did, at least. Gave you options to make a musician, standard bearer, and champion, or just leave em as ordinary bloodreavers for a huge mob.
Aexae wrote: Heard from my FLGS that the plastic SoB are coming and she already ordered some. no more reference than that, but hope is what we live for!
I think you just got trolled.
well There is a fairly strong runour stating sisters are coming in the prospero box game from GW.
Whether that means sisters of silence and how those fit into sisters of battle for 40k I don't know.
It was pretty strongly implied it was Sisters of Silence in that boxed set.
That's what I said please read
Sisters of silence artwork is not really that different that sisters of battle artwork. They are both power armoured bolt gun wielding witch hunting fanatics with long red cloaks.
But they aren't the same thing.
Which was my point. It is Sisters of Silence in the box, not Sisters of Battle. Obviously intrepid modelers are going to use these models to make Sisters of Battle, but they aren't Sisters of Battle right out of the box.
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
The only blanks I'm aware of in 40k are the Culexus and a few in the fiction like Bequin in the Ravenor novels. If the Sisters are still around in 40k they're well hidden. Perhaps around the throne webway links?
Ghaz wrote: As has been said no White Dwarf = no early pictures.
Which shows that leaks were possibly not inentional.and that they finally have it locked down
Right, which was more what I was thinking about when I posted. But this is dakka, so unnecessary over-explaining abounds! I'll make sure to add in all the disclaimers about what I'm already aware of in the future when I make general statements.
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
The only blanks I'm aware of in 40k are the Culexus and a few in the fiction like Bequin in the Ravenor novels. If the Sisters are still around in 40k they're well hidden. Perhaps around the throne webway links?
Gather unto them the Dead.
Legion, they drift within the sands, . . .
Is that referring to Necrons?
Possibly, or possibly it's referring to the Tears of Isha that the Eldar harvest from the Croneworlds within the Eye of Terror.
The blackened shield becomes the sword, . . .
So the plan is to use the Deathwatch against Slaanesh?
Or against something that is a big enough threat that it would necessitate the Eldar aligning themselves with or exposing themselves to the Deathwatch.
Calling it right here:
Eldrad is dead. This imposter is The Deceiver who was not actually shattered. The Harlequins become the new Necron Pariahs.
Eldrad being dead necessitates the 13th Black Crusade having happened. We're currently still pre-13th Black Crusade.
Also, Harlequins do not have the Pariah gene. That's the whole reason the Necron Pariahs were given the moniker of "Pariah" by the Inquisition.
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
The only blanks I'm aware of in 40k are the Culexus and a few in the fiction like Bequin in the Ravenor novels. If the Sisters are still around in 40k they're well hidden. Perhaps around the throne webway links?
Weren't the Sisters of Silence blanks? In the Prospero HH novels, they went in in ones and twos to stop the psychics on the Thousand Sons if I remember right.
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
The only blanks I'm aware of in 40k are the Culexus and a few in the fiction like Bequin in the Ravenor novels. If the Sisters are still around in 40k they're well hidden. Perhaps around the throne webway links?
Blanks still exist they are an extremely rare but natural phenomenon.
Remeber culexus assassins as individual blanks that are discovered, "recruited", and augmented to be a blank+ weapon.
Blamks are not simply grown in a lab but just like any psyker thru are born naturally.
40k basically washed away most blanks rule wise for whatever reason, same reason necron pariahs simply vanished.
As witch hunters I'm sure Blamks exist in sisters of battle however GW gave up on doing anything with sisters but at least they still have condemnor rounds.
If the Eldar do plan to manipulate the Deathwatch into killing Slaanesh, Eldrad's Magnificent Bastard reputation is well earned.
I have to give GW credit, these prophecies are kind of awesome. I still want to see what models are coming out, but these little tidbits are fun to read.
Perhaps the stuff here will lead into the WD Chaos campaign. Or the WD Chaos Campaign will have some stuff for Deathwatch, Harlequins, and Eldar too.
SoS basically vanish after the HH for some reason, perhaps they are part of the Black ship thing in present day 40k but they are not SoB, first they have that silly eldar top knot , their Armour is quite different , they are also more like the custodes than SoB, acting extremely rarely in if ever (if they even exist) 40k
The only blanks I'm aware of in 40k are the Culexus and a few in the fiction like Bequin in the Ravenor novels. If the Sisters are still around in 40k they're well hidden. Perhaps around the throne webway links?
Weren't the Sisters of Silence blanks? In the Prospero HH novels, they went in in ones and twos to stop the psychics on the Thousand Sons if I remember right.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
And the sick thing is it's still ridiculous money compared to buying individually. One part being the ridiculously inflated character prices due to GW's obsession with plastic eventhough plastic isn't ideal material for everything.
There's 3 character models in there. The Death Jester is $26, Eldrad and Watch-Captain Artemis are the two unknowns.
Removing them from the equation and looking strictly at the Harlequin half of the box? The issue isn't the $26 Death Jester--it's the $40 Harlequin Troupe box with 6 models.
I didn't say it was only reason. Just one reason. But 90 for 3 infantry sized characters is ridiculous price. If troupe would be same price it would be 180 rather than 40...
Characters shouldn't be plastics. They can't sell enough sprues of those to make it viable to sell them at sensible price. Plastic isn't ultimate solution for every use.
Verviedi wrote: Stolen Seers = Wraithbone Choir of Altansar. Calling it now.
Didn't Tazyn have them?
Plot twist: The Black Library is just Trayzn's storehouse. Both the Eldar and the Deathwatch bust in to find him chilling in a recliner polishing his Primarch Armor collection.
Stormonu wrote: Wow, when I hopped back into this hobby, the starter set was somewhere around $80 (Assault of Black Reach/Necron re-release). Now it's going to be $150? That's ridiculous.
And the sick thing is it's still ridiculous money compared to buying individually. One part being the ridiculously inflated character prices due to GW's obsession with plastic eventhough plastic isn't ideal material for everything.
There's 3 character models in there. The Death Jester is $26, Eldrad and Watch-Captain Artemis are the two unknowns.
Removing them from the equation and looking strictly at the Harlequin half of the box? The issue isn't the $26 Death Jester--it's the $40 Harlequin Troupe box with 6 models.
I didn't say it was only reason. Just one reason. But 90 for 3 infantry sized characters is ridiculous price. If troupe would be same price it would be 180 rather than 40...
How are you getting $90 for 3 infantry sized characters?
The ONLY model we have a price point for, in terms of the characters, is the Death Jester. He's $26.
Eldrad is likely to be $26 as well--$30 if we're really going on the high side, but from what we have seen of the leaked sprue? $26-$28 is probably going to be the price point for Eldrad when he's sold by himself later.
Characters shouldn't be plastics. They can't sell enough sprues of those to make it viable to sell them at sensible price. Plastic isn't ultimate solution for every use.
Why shouldn't characters be plastics? It clearly is working well enough that they will keep making them.
Kanluwen wrote: Why shouldn't characters be plastics? It clearly is working well enough that they will keep making them.
You really enjoy paying that much money for characters that used to cost lot less before?
Plastic for characters mean they will be priced up higher. If they were other metal they could be sold for less money with same profit for GW. You haven't thought why character prices have gone up way more than troop? Answer is plain simple: They went plastic.
(also plastic means reduced maximum detail quality. Characters if anybody benefits from maximum detail quality which GW threw away)
angelofvengeance wrote: Characters should be plastic if it's possible to do them that way. Resin or metal is a pain in the arse to prep for painting.
This is my thought too. Plastic characters are infinitely more customizable than Metal and all the detail of resin is wasted when there are bubbles everywhere and bent parts.
Kanluwen wrote: Why shouldn't characters be plastics? It clearly is working well enough that they will keep making them.
You really enjoy paying that much money for characters that used to cost lot less before?
Don't like it? Don't buy the new character sculpt. Very few of the models being changed from metal/Finecast to plastic have radically different options to the point where you need to buy the character again.
Plastic for characters mean they will be priced up higher. If they were other metal they could be sold for less money with same profit for GW. You haven't thought why character prices have gone up way more than troop? Answer is plain simple: They went plastic.
Which character prices have gone up as significantly as you're insisting?
Eldrad Ulthran, right now, is $20.75 in Finecast. He's been that price since Finecast was a thing. Prior to that, he was probably $10-$15 USD. The plastic Farseer model that came out awhile ago is $20.
Special characters have always been more expensive than generic characters.
(also plastic means reduced maximum detail quality. Characters if anybody benefits from maximum detail quality which GW threw away)
This is patently false. Plastic does not mean "reduced maximum detail quality" by any stretch of the imagination.
Are there technical limitations that necessitate shifts as to how the character might look? Sure. But the detail is generally good; unless it's just a bad sculpt to begin with.
Huh, so it does. I'm quite surprised that the plastic Artemis is an almost direct copy of the classic 54mm one, I foresee people whining about it being a lazy move by GW.
Kanluwen wrote: Which character prices have gone up as significantly as you're insisting?
Like all? I know I didn't pay this much for any of characters 10 years ago. And the price has gone up way more than inflation. Reason: Plastic molds are expensive as hell. Since you don't sell as many character sprues as troop sprues you NEED to ask more per sprue than troops sprues. Plastic is good for mass producing crapload of sprues. Characters are dead opposite of that goal. Whereupon SM army can easily field 50+ tactical marines you don't see 50+ characters in it...
2006. Farseer 12$. Now 20$. Used to be even cheaper. And again don't bother claiming inflation. Inflation has NOT been 75% in 9 years.
This is patently false. Plastic does not mean "reduced maximum detail quality" by any stretch of the imagination.
Are there technical limitations that necessitate shifts as to how the character might look? Sure. But the detail is generally good; unless it's just a bad sculpt to begin with.
Lol you really have no idea of casting techniques. There's REASON why every high level models are resin. Why you think FW uses it? Different material requires different mold material which affects what you can do with it.
Need a bigger pic of the Deathwatch grunts. Can't see a thing in that picture. That's the big question now-the contents of the upgrade sprue and the Deathwatch squad.
Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.
Artemis is a terrible name for a guy. Why did they name him that?
I was hoping for at least a little bit more new stuff in this release beyond two characters and an upgrade sprue. Preferably some more new Eldar stuff. Looks like the only thing of interest for me here is Eldrad. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Start Collecting Ulthwe box in the near future with Eldrad and some Wraith stuff.
Barzam wrote: Artemis is a terrible name for a guy. Why did they name him that?
I was hoping for at least a little bit more new stuff in this release beyond two characters and an upgrade sprue. Preferably some more new Eldar stuff. Looks like the only thing of interest for me here is Eldrad. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Start Collecting Ulthwe box in the near future with Eldrad and some Wraith stuff.
M0ff3l wrote: Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.
Super excited for this!
It's Vanguard Veterans actually. Some of the retailer info leaked earlier this week. It's a box of Vanguard Veterans, a Deathwatch Veteran set, Watch-Captain Artemis, a Venerable Dreadnought, and something called the "Deathwatch Upgrade Frame".
There are definitely some parts from the upgrade frame on the Vanguard Veterans. The box doesn't include any 2h weapons, nor does it include the giant tower shield that the one model is toting.
The Deathwatch Veterans are rocking a really cool backpack it seems. Looks like there is a targeting device, or something of that nature.
M0ff3l wrote: Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.
Super excited for this!
It's Vanguard Veterans actually. Some of the retailer info leaked earlier this week. It's a box of Vanguard Veterans, a Deathwatch Veteran set, Watch-Captain Artemis, a Venerable Dreadnought, and something called the "Deathwatch Upgrade Frame".
There are definitely some parts from the upgrade frame on the Vanguard Veterans. The box doesn't include any 2h weapons, nor does it include the giant tower shield that the one model is toting.
The Deathwatch Veterans are rocking a really cool backpack it seems. Looks like there is a targeting device, or something of that nature.
Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, whatever makes the 2 characters from Overkill more viable is great in my book.
angelofvengeance wrote: That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...
Though I think his point was
Artemis was a goddess.
Sure, Artemis is commonly used as a girl's name, but boys can be called that too.
Actually, Artemis is more commonly a boys name now. It is basically the reverse of names lIke Ashley, Lindsay, Kelsey, Kim/Kimberly, etc. All of those names are boys names that became girls names.
I take it the detractors haven't heard of Artemis Fowl or Artemis Enteri.
As for the set itself, it looks pretty awesome. I like the Artemis figure. It looks like he traded his regular old Bolter in for a Combi-Flamer.
Actually, Artemis is more commonly a boys name now. It is basically the reverse of names lIke Ashley, Lindsay, Kelsey, Kim/Kimberly, etc. All of those names are boys names that became girls names.
I take it the detractors haven't heard of Artemis Fowl or Artemis Enteri.
I haven't either, but I'm perfectly fine with the name.
casvalremdeikun wrote: As for the set itself, it looks pretty awesome. I like the Artemis figure. It looks like he traded his regular old Bolter in for a Combi-Flamer.
Yep. Eldar witches need that extra purging, you see.
General Kroll wrote: Damnit GW...why must you drain my wallet with all this cool stuff !
Agreed. I have a Tactical Squad, a Vanguard Veteran Squad, and a Venerable Dreadnought that are all patiently waiting for the Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue so they can join their Deathwatch:Overkill brothers. Seriously, this is going to be awesome.
Did the Space Wolves vs Orks had a mini rule book? Dang I wish I could still buy that box set.
