Finished assembling 2 more reavers and 4 more warhounds ready for paint. Well reaver heads wait new sprue.
Realized my mortis now has full axiom and venator plus minimum myrmidon. Victorum lacks warlord so min myrmidon and 2 venators 3 hounds each that it could fill at once.
And yes when i get these painted we WILL play game with all these. Think it's around 4k titans per side plus knights (26 of 2 types combined)
Sherrypie wrote: Basing evening, it seems. At least the Cerastuses are ready for painting, this time with some dead too.
My post earlier didn’t go through, these are excellent. Can I get a closeup of the flamer? I’m building one myself, what gun body did you use?
Can't do that, sadly, as I'm off on holidays with the family. Thanks though, here's a tut:
1) cut the Warhound inferno cannon so that you take the midpart off. Cut carefully to make sure the holes in the grill align properly. There are bolts in the nozzle to use as a guide, cut inside those.
2) cut the other side, using the lower armour parts as a guide.
3) cut a Lancer's shield hand to fit as the body of the gun. The hole for the shield works for the elbow.
4) I used some faceplates for sides, could as well scratch a shield for it like the 28 mm model has.
5) find suitable barrels for fuel. I used old vehicle heavy flamer tanks and BaC marine flamer tanks. Proper amount of skull icons there.
6) Warhound weapon tubing and positioning to taste.
7) profit.
More tomfoolery with a pair of Warpuppies and magnets. Wasn't paying attention and accidently glued two magnets together and now they won't come apart...sigh. Thank gawd they come in packs of 50! One of the pups is at least sporting a pair of...lets look at the manual..."turbo lazer destructors".
Does anyone find listening to music is helpful when assembling or painting?
Does anyone find listening to music is helpful when assembling or painting?
long story short, it can.
but it depends alot on what you are listening to. hard rock gets my blood pumping and that again results in more shaky hands then i normaly have. my first warhound becouse of this is alot more sloppy in the finish then it should have been. (then again my goal is tabletop and hunds dont exactly showcase mutch of themselfs so i guess it will be fine after all)
SamusDrake wrote: More tomfoolery with a pair of Warpuppies and magnets. Wasn't paying attention and accidently glued two magnets together and now they won't come apart...sigh. Thank gawd they come in packs of 50! One of the pups is at least sporting a pair of...lets look at the manual..."turbo lazer destructors".
Does anyone find listening to music is helpful when assembling or painting?
Did you try separating them with clippers? That's how i have got superglued together magnets separated.
Told myself that I would be done with my AT stuff before the end of the year to make sure im ready for the new stuff when it releases and to start getting some terrain done next year.
Last night I finished these fellas! Still need to do the knights but I still got another week!
Merry XMAS and I hope everyone have a great holiday!
Reckon I’ll just use Blu-tak rather than magnets on those and the Reaver.
Magnetising the reaver and warlord is pretty simple ig you wanna do it!
I cut a piece off the ball joint on the arms to get a flat surface to glue magnets to. Then on the weapons just use a pin to hold the magnet fairly straight while a generous amount of superglu adhers! Have had no issues with them coming off! I did add a second drop of superglue after the first dried tho to give some eftra stability!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
why else do you think they sell 2 warlord kits?
gotta force people to buy the expensive stuff before they are allowed to buy the cheap stuff.
Other Warhound built, and the Reaver is mostly done. Gone with the clenched Power Fist, as I quite fancy chinning enemy Titans at some point.
Really looking forward to the other Sprues being released now. Dunno about anyone else, but I’m keen to have a decent spread of weapons to choose from before a game.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
why else do you think they sell 2 warlord kits?
gotta force people to buy the expensive stuff before they are allowed to buy the cheap stuff.
The 2 warlord are same price so what cheap stuff we are supposed to buy later?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
why else do you think they sell 2 warlord kits?
gotta force people to buy the expensive stuff before they are allowed to buy the cheap stuff.
The 2 warlord are same price so what cheap stuff we are supposed to buy later?
wep sprues ofc.
but that is a discussion for the other thread.
Does finishing the Titandeath novel count as a AT project?
*mild non story line spoilers ahead*
Spoiler:
Its a shame there was no description of the Rapier, Carnivore and Nightgaunt Titans beyond there general size class. The afterword mentions that Guy Haley worked with the AT team on the background for the book so hopefully these "new" Titan types will see the light of day and are not just there for flavour.I was surprised at no mention of the Warbringer class, although there is one off handed mention of Nemesis Titans. But given the time lag between the writing of the novel I suppose its possible that GW/FW had not nailed down there naming scheme for Titan types at that time.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
why else do you think they sell 2 warlord kits?
gotta force people to buy the expensive stuff before they are allowed to buy the cheap stuff.
The 2 warlord are same price so what cheap stuff we are supposed to buy later?
wep sprues ofc.
but that is a discussion for the other thread.
Um titan plus weapon sprue is more than just titan so you are way off
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just looking over my sprues, and I’ve noticed that the Warlord Weapon sprue is, well, surprisingly spacious.
All the others, including the armour plating and superstructure are jam packed. But the weapon sprue has quite a lot of open, some might say wasted, space.
Wonder if it was rejigged at some point to remove other options?
why else do you think they sell 2 warlord kits?
gotta force people to buy the expensive stuff before they are allowed to buy the cheap stuff.
The 2 warlord are same price so what cheap stuff we are supposed to buy later?
wep sprues ofc.
but that is a discussion for the other thread.
Um titan plus weapon sprue is more than just titan so you are way off
bying 1 single titan plus its wep sprue will be cheaper then bying 2-3 different titans to get all the plastic wep options.
seeing as we now has 2 warlords with diff weps but no seperatlysold wep spure kit yet, multiple titan releases with different wep selections is apparently the way GW goes for the near future.
i bet the next titan release will be a reaver with alt wep loadout.
They’ve also confirmed the weapon sprues will be available separately.
Depending on the price, that could help AT be particularly affordable, spesh if the Titan Battlegroup remains available. It may well be like!
One of those, additional Reaver, and you’re pretty much good to go. That’s the cost, not including rules, down to £135, or £170 with the rules box (which also provides one with all the terminals you’ll need).
And if like me you buy it through Darksphere (or the online retailer of your preference), that’s down to a shade under £130.
From there, extra sprues around £20 (speculative pricing only) give you further options and flexibility, and the game has real appeal. Well, I think so anyway!
Me? Currently got 1 x Warlord and 1 x Battlegroup. Reckon I might round it out with another Battle Group next month. And some magnets.
Not quite ready for a photo, but I've painted the bodies of 2 Cerastus Knights( carapace and arms left to do ) and a basic paint'n'wash for the legs of 2 Warhounds.
I've changed colour scheme from my Questoris Knights, although they seem to sit well together if used for the same side.
No photos yet but I managed to get hold of a sealed Grandmaster Edition for less than RRP on eBay. That combined with a Battlegroup I have inbound should easily be enough to play with. Nothing's built yet but had a couple of trial games yesterday using appropriately-sized proxies. I won the game, but by the smallest of margins.
1: His Knights got into CC with my Warlord and killed it, it simply fell and did no damage.
2: My Knights were able to flank round his Warlord and get into CC, and his habitual use of cover prevented him escaping. Managed to get Reactor Leak 2 on his body.
3: He brings his Knights back towards him to take out mine, all the while his reactor is getting hotter and hotter.
4: He goes full-Chernobyl, killing 2 of my Knights and all of his.
Was such a fun game and showed how balanced it can be: it's not a case of first-shot-wins as it is in 40k. My Warlord was taking a pummelling from his rockets, in a constant cycle of Emergency Repairs, lose shields, Emergency Repairs, etc, and I fully expected to lose. The fact that I was able to pull a win with a single Knight left on the board was certainly surprising.
Was such a fun game and showed how balanced it can be: it's not a case of first-shot-wins as it is in 40k.
some players cant understand that just 3 models wont get removed in t1 cuz they only play 40k with its mismatch of rules.
AT has a realy solid rules set, heck they even included some optional rules for even more frentic stuff to manage( friendly fire anyone??)
as for me, serious painting fatigue has set in and i dont even have a demi maniple ready.
i simply cant paint a model the same colours more then max 2-3 times before i starts to hate it. seriously considering doing a demi venator and do anythign else as reinforcments so i can paint them howerver i want to.
Valkyrie wrote: No photos yet but I managed to get hold of a sealed Grandmaster Edition for less than RRP on eBay. That combined with a Battlegroup I have inbound should easily be enough to play with. Nothing's built yet but had a couple of trial games yesterday using appropriately-sized proxies. I won the game, but by the smallest of margins.
1: His Knights got into CC with my Warlord and killed it, it simply fell and did no damage.
2: My Knights were able to flank round his Warlord and get into CC, and his habitual use of cover prevented him escaping. Managed to get Reactor Leak 2 on his body.
3: He brings his Knights back towards him to take out mine, all the while his reactor is getting hotter and hotter.
4: He goes full-Chernobyl, killing 2 of my Knights and all of his.
Was such a fun game and showed how balanced it can be: it's not a case of first-shot-wins as it is in 40k. My Warlord was taking a pummelling from his rockets, in a constant cycle of Emergency Repairs, lose shields, Emergency Repairs, etc, and I fully expected to lose. The fact that I was able to pull a win with a single Knight left on the board was certainly surprising.
Sounds like you had a great first game
The ruleset is great, though I would have wished for a FAQ/Errata by now to sort out some more confusing parts. I understand AT is a small market game compared to 40k/AoS but with the latter two getting erratas and whatnot within weeks of every release, should we really need to see months without a word on any of it?
small tip, the reaver dont have mag insert slot in its arms, only the carpace wep.
if you want to mag it to use all weps plus the fists you need to do it at the balljoint in the shoulder. if you dont plan on running mele weps, you can do it between the wep and the arm, as the fist uses a different arm then what the guns do.
tneva82 wrote: Some cutting but dirt easy. Only issue is cables if you want. Even more so with warhounds where you run short on cables. Me? Don't bother
Same, I'm using the cables as tentacles on my Kaban machines conversions.
I put a magnet on the end of the cable as well. For my warhounds and reavers I’ve used a 2x1 magnet in the ball socket and another at the end of the cable, and it holds pretty well. It was hard work on the reaver though.
It’s annoying you don’t get more wires in the warhound kit. I’ve made the first kit without wires on the flamers. I’ll probably scavenge the lasers or bolters from the next set to stick onto warlords.
About half way done with my first pair of Warhounds. After comparing them to the 40k Armigers its a real shame that SG didn't take this chance to give them a chain cleaver type option. But overall they are a great "little" kit. Lots of options and not as fiddly as some other parts of the AT range.
Leaving the Warhounds for now, I'm focused on finishing the two Lancers with a colour scheme of leadbelcher, copper and gold.
Given them a strong tone wash, but I've left the shield off until I can finish detailing the arm joint. I'm not a fan of the "crotch banner" and will probably go for flags on the lances instead.
I really want to do a photo right now, but I'm going to finish these chaps first and their bases...only the best for you lot!
Warhounds are a long way off done but here is a small banner of Knights...
...the Questoris are a bit naff( spent too much worrying about colour scheme and ended up blotchy ) but the Cerastus turned out how I wanted them. Undecided on what to do for the bases, but otherwise ready for the table.
Going forwards I've got the warhounds and buildings to complete but I'm not sure what to purchase next. I'm considering a second set of Questoris so my brother and I can face off with a Warhound+Questoris Banner each, should we get the game itself. Or we can stick with HW and enjoy tanks and aircraft...
Then again, we could have two warhounds+3 Questoris and 1 Reaver+2Cerastus! Urgh....decisions, decisions...
well your start goal should be a demi maniple aka minimum size, so when you have 2 hounds all you need is the reaver and you have a legit gaming mainple.
incase you dont have the book yet, your options are 2 hounds + 1 reaver, 1 hound + 1 reaver + 1 warlord, 2 warlords + reaver.
FrozenDwarf wrote: well your start goal should be a demi maniple aka minimum size, so when you have 2 hounds all you need is the reaver and you have a legit gaming mainple.
incase you dont have the book yet, your options are 2 hounds + 1 reaver, 1 hound + 1 reaver + 1 warlord, 2 warlords + reaver.
See thats where I fall short with AT. I'd have to be the one to cover the cost of not only my titans and the rule set(which I have yet to get), but my brother's titans as well. He likes to game as much as I do, but due to our different lifestyles he is not in a position to spend money on the hobby as I am.
I think AT is that one game where we will have to take a pass on and stick with HW, despite our nostalgia for the early 90s epic scale games. We can at least look forward to the new miniature releases, though.
I've been working on starting a Legio Atarus force. I just finished a pair of knight lancers to go with my warhounds and played a quick test game at the store.
FrozenDwarf wrote: well your start goal should be a demi maniple aka minimum size, so when you have 2 hounds all you need is the reaver and you have a legit gaming mainple.
incase you dont have the book yet, your options are 2 hounds + 1 reaver, 1 hound + 1 reaver + 1 warlord, 2 warlords + reaver.
See thats where I fall short with AT. I'd have to be the one to cover the cost of not only my titans and the rule set(which I have yet to get), but my brother's titans as well. He likes to game as much as I do, but due to our different lifestyles he is not in a position to spend money on the hobby as I am.
I think AT is that one game where we will have to take a pass on and stick with HW, despite our nostalgia for the early 90s epic scale games. We can at least look forward to the new miniature releases, though.
Of course its twice as expensive if you have to collect for two Ive done it for way too many games, most of which I never get to play or successfully lured someone else into But knowing that I have a fairly decent sized two-player collection for game X feels great!
For AT im only collecting the one army though...At least for now...
Of course its twice as expensive if you have to collect for two Ive done it for way too many games, most of which I never get to play or successfully lured someone else into But knowing that I have a fairly decent sized two-player collection for game X feels great!
For AT im only collecting the one army though...At least for now...
See I appreciate the whole "go halfsies" thing with boxed games and split the minis, but I think GW was stretching that with AT. Five months on, if someone was just getting their own maniple together they'll doubt get the ruleset and battlegroup, and call it a day with £135. I do hope GW expands the game to include more "skirmish" options where its Knights and Light titans, not just to provide an affordable entry into the game but if someone wants to treat a titan as a center-command piece for their knights to rally to. Y'know - kill the opposing side's titan to win.
X-Wing looks awesome. At first it seemed like a quick cash-grab but its done well for itself and still going strong. £30 and you're up and running - with prepainted miniatures no less! I'm quite surprised GW hasn't come up with a sailing/space game in recent years, considering how popular they are.
Of course its twice as expensive if you have to collect for two Ive done it for way too many games, most of which I never get to play or successfully lured someone else into But knowing that I have a fairly decent sized two-player collection for game X feels great!
For AT im only collecting the one army though...At least for now...
See I appreciate the whole "go halfsies" thing with boxed games and split the minis, but I think GW was stretching that with AT. Five months on, if someone was just getting their own maniple together they'll doubt get the ruleset and battlegroup, and call it a day with £135. I do hope GW expands the game to include more "skirmish" options where its Knights and Light titans, not just to provide an affordable entry into the game but if someone wants to treat a titan as a center-command piece for their knights to rally to. Y'know - kill the opposing side's titan to win.
X-Wing looks awesome. At first it seemed like a quick cash-grab but its done well for itself and still going strong. £30 and you're up and running - with prepainted miniatures no less! I'm quite surprised GW hasn't come up with a sailing/space game in recent years, considering how popular they are.
knights only games is something they would like to create rules for in the distant future but it would not be like the titants whit just 3-5 titants. knights only games would be 20-30 per side.
no matter how you twist and turn it, gaming minatures is a very expensive hobby.
(and gw did have both a space game and a 1 off single box ship game. ship game was questionable i think we can say, the space game was part of the specialist range that was discontinued early in this decade)
no matter how you twist and turn it, gaming minatures is a very expensive hobby.
Yes, it is expensive as is the nature of the beast but from experience I would say there is a limit to how far a product can stray from the rest of its market.
For example, to get started with X-Wing its £35 while Dropzone Commander is £60. Really good games are about £75. GW, being the Rolls Royce of tabletop gaming, one should expect to pay up to £100 for a new boxed game. Obviously there are games that go beyond that( Twilight Imperium, which is about £140 ) but the £40-£100 range is about right for the majority of the products on the market, at least to get started and start having fun...
Titanicus is what it is, and I certainly would not begrudge others if they are comfortable with its price and are having a cracking time with it. It really more of a Forgeworld game than a GW one, and there is a difference in what those two customer bases are willing to pay. There is no sugar coating as most people took a look at the price of AT and said...
"Sod this for a game of soliders!"
BOOM! BOOM!
But seriously, thats just my view on the price of modern gaming.
Sigh. Right, I'd best make a start on these Warpups...
no matter how you twist and turn it, gaming minatures is a very expensive hobby.
Yes, it is expensive as is the nature of the beast but from experience I would say there is a limit to how far a product can stray from the rest of its market.
For example, to get started with X-Wing its £35 while Dropzone Commander is £60. Really good games are about £75. GW, being the Rolls Royce of tabletop gaming, one should expect to pay up to £100 for a new boxed game. Obviously there are games that go beyond that( Twilight Imperium, which is about £140 ) but the £40-£100 range is about right for the majority of the products on the market, at least to get started and start having fun...
Titanicus is what it is, and I certainly would not begrudge others if they are comfortable with its price and are having a cracking time with it. It really more of a Forgeworld game than a GW one, and there is a difference in what those two customer bases are willing to pay. There is no sugar coating as most people took a look at the price of AT and said...
"Sod this for a game of soliders!"
BOOM! BOOM!
But seriously, thats just my view on the price of modern gaming.
Sigh. Right, I'd best make a start on these Warpups...
x-wing might be cheap, armada is not =P (trust me i collect armada)
the price of AT is a never ending debate that is taking place in the other AT thread in this forum, so take it there.
this is ment to be a thread for all aspects of the actual models. sadly it is easy to derail the topic.
personly im right in the middle of the painting so nothing to showcase for some time.
Ughh nearly have my Warpups finished, but just been hit with a heavy case of painters remorse. Really not feeling the Firebrands colours now(at least not the version my meagre skills have brought about). Too far done to start again though so I'll finish them off and start looking at other Legios.
Grey and yellow looks nice. And its probably easier to do then red and bone...…..
x-wing might be cheap, armada is not =P (trust me i collect armada)
the price of AT is a never ending debate that is taking place in the other AT thread in this forum, so take it there.
this is ment to be a thread for all aspects of the actual models. sadly it is easy to derail the topic.
personly im right in the middle of the painting so nothing to showcase for some time.
Completely forgot to post these, I did have them ready the day before new years eve so I held up my painting goals Im not as satisfied with these as I am with the titans, had some issues during shading and also during decals but they look good on the table and fits the colors so all is good!
GoatboyBeta wrote: Ughh nearly have my Warpups finished, but just been hit with a heavy case of painters remorse. Really not feeling the Firebrands colours now(at least not the version my meagre skills have brought about). Too far done to start again though so I'll finish them off and start looking at other Legios.
Grey and yellow looks nice. And its probably easier to do then red and bone...…..
yea the same thing happend to me.
had to change colours completely. i`ll just do a complete mismatch of whatever i want from now no.(leftovers forming a maniple)
grey is easy, yellow is hard, low pigment amount in the yellow, just as it is with white and bone.
im doing one knight in grey and yellow and i cant get a solid yellow if i do less then 3 coats.
edit.
group shot of what i have now. 2nd hound will be red and silver and moust likely the 3rd hound aswell, doubt the 4th hound will be it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here it is my painted legio for now. I came up with a new knight house, "house Ferrum". I want to highlight a little bit the knights but i'm unsure how to do it.
group shot of what i have now. 2nd hound will be red and silver and moust likely the 3rd hound aswell, doubt the 4th hound will be it.
Very tidy job you've done there and the green is a good choice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Had an evening of comedy mayhem with Gorilla glue. Went everywhere including my fingers. The reaction was like that of King Arthur's Knights when they encountered the Killer Rabbit...
Even with the super glue, the magnets eventually come off if bonded flat and not around the edge. rebonding on the weapon joint isnt that big of a deal, but not on the waist. I've just used plastic glue for the waist on one of them, and when the second comes loose I do the same on the other Warhound.
In other news I've cashed in a voucher with Wayland games and bagged a Reaver for £25. Although it comes with magnet challenges, I'm looking forward to working on a single model instead of pairs or multiples.
FrozenDwarf wrote: grey is easy, yellow is hard, low pigment amount in the yellow, just as it is with white and bone.
im doing one knight in grey and yellow and i cant get a solid yellow if i do less then 3 coats.
That's true. But so far multiple thin coats of yellow as a secondary colour is much less stressful then agonizing over the right shade of bone to use as a primary
Very tidy job you've done there and the green is a good choice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Had an evening of comedy mayhem with Gorilla glue. Went everywhere including my fingers. The reaction was like that of King Arthur's Knights when they encountered the Killer Rabbit...
Even with the super glue, the magnets eventually come off if bonded flat and not around the edge. rebonding on the weapon joint isnt that big of a deal, but not on the waist. I've just used plastic glue for the waist on one of them, and when the second comes loose I do the same on the other Warhound.
In other news I've cashed in a voucher with Wayland games and bagged a Reaver for £25. Although it comes with magnet challenges, I'm looking forward to working on a single model instead of pairs or multiples.
ty.
tip, superglue with brush applicator. i use one from locktite and by the smell and stinging in my eyes, it is the same stuff that GW sold in the early 2000.
i have never had any mags come loose if i glue it on unpainted plastic.
and the only real mag chally with the reaver is if you are going to use both the fist wep and range weps as they dont use the same arm.
allso dont do any big leg/feet poses, not alot of playroom on the 4 ankle armor plates before the leg plates wont fit.
If GW release both weapon sprues separately I might just get both so I can do dualies anyway. Really digging that August WD Reaver with the two chainguns...
Last night saw more paint work on the Warhounds.The scheme is metallic copper and leadbelcher, but like the Lancers in my previous photo I'm giving them gold highlights to the armour rims. Fatigue is setting in, to be honest...
Reaver arrived this morning and in a momentous occassion I was not lazy and actually washed the sprues in warm, soapy water. I have no idea why, but some kind soul in the house hold left a bowl(with clean water!) ready for me to use. Didn't have to run the water off or add washing up liquid...it was just there. Hurrah! Although, I won't start work on him until the Warhound bodies are done.
I think my plan for the Reaver will be to assemble and paint the legs before the upper body. I wish I had done that for the previous models and have found it overwhelming at times - especially with the Warhounds.
I need to whip up some buildings too, so I reckon thats about a months work in total...
it all depends on how mutch effort you want to put in.
sub assembly mean you can break a model down in order to reduse the scope of the project, but it allso means that you now see all the hidden parts that you normaly dont see and cant get to in order to paint where black primer will hide it.
for me that is a blessing and a curse as i am then forced to paint everything in a decent standard, even the parts that wont bee seen thus increasing the overall paint time by 2-3x.
finished my 2nd warhound, i have a legal maniple! (first time i have ever painted enugh of something to be gaming legal)
Making good progress on a Gryphonicus Reaver. But now that GW have revealed Legio Defensor's quite lovely colour scheme I'm tempted yet again. Maybe I should just resign myself to having a multi Legio force
Before anyone says it, I know, it's a chapter and not a house.
I just love painting salamanders theme as none of the houses really caught my eye.
Fluff aside, not the greatest pics as I don't have my light box set up yet, but it's the test model for the force.
One of the Warpups showing off his new bell bottoms...
...the other one isn't too far behind but will be sporting the decorative armour pieces, and probably take more time. Weapons are assembled and yet to be painted...might just undercoat them for now.
Also began assembly of the Reaver. Although visually impressive( certainly will look the part of major badass! ), he is disappointing compared to the warhounds in terms of weapon "configuration" and carapace options. Take the fella above; the carapace is not glued but it won't fall off if held upside down and shaken. Very useful if your Titan has a change of heart between battles! ^_^
Automatically Appended Next Post: Jackel90, love the paint job!
Main thing I'm hating with titanicus is the wires.
Don't get me wrong, I've assembled everything from pushfit to FW titans.
But the wires on the reaver hip section are irritating lol.
Also on a side note, be careful with magnets on the warlord.
The top and bottom shoulder mounts are fairly close together, so strong magnets have a pull to them.
I've had to swap the polarity as the way I had them, the top one were trying to repel the arms below lol.
MongooseMatt, the new head looks cool and the colour scheme gives a "royal" appearance. Assuming your Warlord is magnitized, would it be possible to see it with the new power claw?
SamusDrake wrote: Assembled the legs and body of the Reaver but without attaching any armour plates. Its not a difficult model to build, but one should plan ahead.
Oh yeah. I had one reaver end up with one knee in VERY unnatural angle. Luckily managed to cut and glue to more sensible and armour plates should cover damage.
Oh and helps if you have base along...I didn't. One reaver does not fully fit inside base in his striding pose. Whoops!
Well 2 more coming. I'll get properly built reaver yet!
Oh yeah. I had one reaver end up with one knee in VERY unnatural angle. Luckily managed to cut and glue to more sensible and armour plates should cover damage.
Oh and helps if you have base along...I didn't. One reaver does not fully fit inside base in his striding pose. Whoops!
Well 2 more coming. I'll get properly built reaver yet!
After hearing about all the trouble you lot had with the Reaver legs I just went for a sensible "to attention" pose. Funnily enough, the first step was gluing the feet to the base and even then you are doubting whether its going to work!
...sigh...breaking news; this twit has glued the pelvis back-to-front.
SamusDrake wrote: ...sigh...breaking news; this twit has glued the pelvis back-to-front.
Tis easily done. I know that they wanted to be accurate to the 40K scale model but the Reaver could really do with a reduced parts count. Especially as the legs and feet are not really that poseable(without cutting) once the armour plates and cables are in place.
Tis easily done. I know that they wanted to be accurate to the 40K scale model but the Reaver could really do with a reduced parts count. Especially as the legs and feet are not really that poseable(without cutting) once the armour plates and cables are in place.
GW would really make our day if they had an Easy-to-Build Reaver. Only that one model...just ONE!
I finished my Reaver last night, it was quite a bit more involved than the other AT stuff and seems a newer hobbyist could very easily screw up somewhere. Tons of tiny bits, the armor/piston pieces that go around the feet you have to keep track of which ones are 7, 8, and 9 so you know where they go, the cables on the legs, you have to magnetize the shoulder and elbow while making sure the angle of everything is just right, definitely a more advanced build, especially to fully magnetize.
Toofast wrote: I finished my Reaver last night, it was quite a bit more involved than the other AT stuff and seems a newer hobbyist could very easily screw up somewhere. Tons of tiny bits, the armor/piston pieces that go around the feet you have to keep track of which ones are 7, 8, and 9 so you know where they go, the cables on the legs, you have to magnetize the shoulder and elbow while making sure the angle of everything is just right, definitely a more advanced build, especially to fully magnetize.
The joins on the back carapace are a bit annoying too. Gonna have to break out the milliput to seal them...
dont rush the reaver!!
it aint more complicated then the warhound if you study the assembly manual before you begin to actualy do it.
and if in doubt, dry fit first.
the reaver is ment for a very static sentry pose. try to do anything else then that and you will get into trouble.
FrozenDwarf wrote: dont rush the reaver!!
it aint more complicated then the warhound if you study the assembly manual before you begin to actualy do it.
and if in doubt, dry fit first.
the reaver is ment for a very static sentry pose. try to do anything else then that and you will get into trouble.
See that was the thing, I spent quite few days overthinking the pistons, and totally overlooked the fact that the feet were not identical. Spacing between the legs was spot on but damn, that was a completely rookie mistake to make.
I've thought about trying to cut the toes and swap them, but I'm only going to damage the model.
Oh well, this proves it can happen even to the best of us!
Can’t magnetise, no superglue. It’s cold, raining, I’m yet to get dressed, and the shop shuts in 27 minutes.
But also fancy a trip to the pub, which is kind of on the way!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Made it! Three diddy tubes of loctite.
I’ve also fallen into the pub, I may be some time.
Argh, wish I’d seen this before you left. Poundland sells three regular sized (17g) tubes of superglue for a pound, with one of those ultrathin applicator nozzles too. Loctite is kind of hella rip-off by comparison.
Can’t magnetise, no superglue. It’s cold, raining, I’m yet to get dressed, and the shop shuts in 27 minutes.
But also fancy a trip to the pub, which is kind of on the way!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Made it! Three diddy tubes of loctite.
I’ve also fallen into the pub, I may be some time.
Argh, wish I’d seen this before you left. Poundland sells three regular sized (17g) tubes of superglue for a pound, with one of those ultrathin applicator nozzles too. Loctite is kind of hella rip-off by comparison.
Just have to be careful with Poundland glue.
Some of it is like water and literally flows out of the 2 parts before it dries lol.
Made this mistake a few times.
Makes a good filler in epic models though as 3rd party stuff has slightly smaller discs than the bases.
Realized I have thrown away all reaver assembly guides to garbage...Issue being the leg armour parts! Whoops. Well good news is the 2 melta reavers that are coming have those but they were sent on friday so probably come next month :( Wonder if I can wait that long...Same issue with warhound but that one is easier so no worries there. Could paint those and with weapons enough to keep me busy.
Wonder what instructions btw the plasma warlord sprue comes with. Separate or whole plasma warlord manual eventhough you only need few pages of it?
tneva82 wrote: Realized I have thrown away all reaver assembly guides to garbage...Issue being the leg armour parts! Whoops. Well good news is the 2 melta reavers that are coming have those but they were sent on friday so probably come next month :( Wonder if I can wait that long...Same issue with warhound but that one is easier so no worries there. Could paint those and with weapons enough to keep me busy.
Wonder what instructions btw the plasma warlord sprue comes with. Separate or whole plasma warlord manual eventhough you only need few pages of it?
tneva82 wrote: Realized I have thrown away all reaver assembly guides to garbage...Issue being the leg armour parts! Whoops. Well good news is the 2 melta reavers that are coming have those but they were sent on friday so probably come next month :( Wonder if I can wait that long...Same issue with warhound but that one is easier so no worries there. Could paint those and with weapons enough to keep me busy.
Wonder what instructions btw the plasma warlord sprue comes with. Separate or whole plasma warlord manual eventhough you only need few pages of it?
For the armour plates around the lower legs...
Front-piston plate: A15( long piston) + B3( longest armour plate, with the dagger design from the top )
Back-piston plate: A14( short piston ) + B5( short armour plate, but only two will have the same design, leaving part of the piston rod uncovered )
Side-piston plates: A14( short piston) + B4( The four remaining short armour plates will have the same design, and will cover the entire pistion rod, but not the joint )
The right leg will use B8 + B9( the big cover-plates ) and the left leg is using B6 + B7. Be warned, these two pairs are NOT identical! B8 and B6 are the inner parts of each leg, while B7 and B9 are the outer parts. The inner parts will have a much taller open area for a side piston to fit in, while the outer one will be slightly shorter.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ah, Jackel90 comes to our aid!
thanks. Could have of course asked GW customer service no trouble but didn't feel like bugging them seeing I have new ones coming up but if there's ones already in internet all the better. Was planning to start working on those tomorrow so now no need to change schedule.
tneva82 wrote: thanks. Could have of course asked GW customer service no trouble but didn't feel like bugging them seeing I have new ones coming up but if there's ones already in internet all the better. Was planning to start working on those tomorrow so now no need to change schedule.
I've lost count of the times I've either lost or didn't get instructions.
I think my search history has more results for instructions than anything else lol.
Also, shoutout to forgeworld for not sending me instructions with a warlord!
Makes it really easy to assemble XD
FrozenDwarf wrote: dont rush the reaver!!
it aint more complicated then the warhound if you study the assembly manual before you begin to actualy do it.
and if in doubt, dry fit first.
the reaver is ment for a very static sentry pose. try to do anything else then that and you will get into trouble.
See that was the thing, I spent quite few days overthinking the pistons, and totally overlooked the fact that the feet were not identical. Spacing between the legs was spot on but damn, that was a completely rookie mistake to make.
I've thought about trying to cut the toes and swap them, but I'm only going to damage the model.
Oh well, this proves it can happen even to the best of us!
not only do you need to swap all the toes but you allso would need to cut out the sockets for the pistons for the ankle plates.
unless you have done some senic stuff on the base, it is allmoust better to sacrifice the base and cut out the feet and place them on a new base.
not only do you need to swap all the toes but you allso would need to cut out the sockets for the pistons for the ankle plates.
unless you have done some senic stuff on the base, it is allmoust better to sacrifice the base and cut out the feet and place them on a new base.
Kinda wish I had used super instead of plastic glue. Could have at least frozen it apart!
I did have some encouragement tonight, FD, as I noticed( bit of googling ) that some others have made the same mistake! Their models actually turned out alright, thank goodness.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well, that’s the new Dakka all magnetised. But sadly, Reaver didn’t show up as expected. Likely won’t be able to get it until Saturday now :(
As for the Loctite? Eh. It works. And if I can afford GW, I can afford £3 for glue
Gorilla glue came recommended, but while good stuff I'm not sure how much stronger it is compared to other brands...
I got a few 50g "EverBuild Industrial Grade Superglue" off Amazon on sale at half price a while ago, and TBH I'd pay the full price(about 3-4 quid each) for it, it's ludicrous. Thick, so a bit slow drying, but given the hold you need that time to position the part properly.
They 3d-print nameplates for all size and shaped bases, in various different styles! Just superb for AT!
I saw a teaser on instagram. Their next style of nameplates will seemingly incorporate skulls before and after the name. No idea when they'll be available.
Reaver legs are now painted and assembled save for detailing on one of the knee pads. The two guns are also glued...quite like them!
He's not a difficult model but he does take more time to plan for. The head is the last piece I've yet to decide on as I like both types from the different weapon sprues, but it depends on how much the sprues will cost against the price of a second reaver(from wayland). Not to mention how long until the release date...which I hope isn't too long!
Urgh...still got the hounds to finish, but weapons aside they are decent for the table.
Feeling burn out on this now and hopefully the Dreaded Ambull will be released soon. It'd be nice to work on an organic creature for a change...
Alternative reaver kits came. Finally. Warlord sprues preordered when they came available still waiting.
So far assembled the weapons and heads from new kit. I have 2 headless reavers waiting for heads so heads get use right away. Pity new head parts aren't compatible with old ones.
I don\t make custom weapons. I'm not much of scratch builder so no point making inferior products when GW is putting up superior weapons out. Only exception being 2 ccw knights and even that's just using other GW parts(cataphractii lightning claws).
So yeah that's the new reaver kit volcano cannon. BOOM!
Have got metals done for the 2 reavers and their weapons. Assembled warlord plasma sprues(2 sprues) that came today and put magnets in. Tomorrow prime and put metals to them and start airbrushing the reavers. I can't airbrush to the full and maybe have to stop soon due to cleaner running but ordered cleaner more and also model air black grey for highlighting black. I have the NON-air version and it's one PITA. No matter how much flow improved I put it seems to jam my airbrush so can't highlight much at once. Just get dedicated air colour. Helped my life when I got evil sun scarlet from GW in air colour as well!
(hmm wonder if flow improver is even enough for non-air colours or would I also need thinner. Not really sure of difference)
I've been putting some stuff up in the attic, had a bit of rummage about while I was up there and found an original AT vintage Warlord Seeing the old boy next to the new blood in the flesh really brought home the massive size and quality difference. If GW put out a humanoid scout Titan with four weapon hardpoints that stands just under half the height of a Reaver I might have some use for it
GoatboyBeta wrote: I've been putting some stuff up in the attic, had a bit of rummage about while I was up there and found an original AT vintage Warlord Seeing the old boy next to the new blood in the flesh really brought home the massive size and quality difference. If GW put out a humanoid scout Titan with four weapon hardpoints that stands just under half the height of a Reaver I might have some use for it
MongooseMatt, I agree that the Lancers are easier to paint than the Questoris. In addition the detail isn't as compact and a little easier to paint, making them the most enjoyable models in the range so far.
Just finished my Warlord which makes my Legio Mortis Axiom Maniple complete! Just 3 more Knights to go and I’ll have all my AT models painted. Probably get another Reaver to max out the Maniple. Anyway...
No pictures yet, I've been hella sick the last three weeks.
However, I did pick up a Battle Maniple, the Plasma/Fist Warlord, the Chainfist/Melta Reaver at LVO. I'm planning out how I'm going to build them now, hoping to start construction this weekend on the skeletons. This will be my first attempt at magnetizing models, so I'm a little nervous and excited.
Last weekend I did get to play my first two games using the basic rules and a buddies models. Won both games, the rules seem to be fun, at least at the basic level. I have not yet tried any of the advanced rules, stratagems and so on.
I've been reading lore and I think I'm going with Legio Astorum, I enjoy blue on models, and I'm never going to betray daddy emperor, so watch out heretics!
Nostromodamus wrote: Looking good! I’m going to get that kit next. Is that loadout decent in game?
It's...specialized. It shoots shieldless titans like hell(I disagree with his plan of sitting back and just using melta for close defence though. I would try to at least stay around 24" distance) with 3 armour busting weapons. Pretty much screwed against shielded titan though. So you'll definitely need some support from other titans which runs into issue that if enemy can prevent shield stripping titan from performing it's job this titan is fairly toothless as well. Always danger with specialised titans.
But if you get to range vs shieldless titan...
(also as a principle not fan of 2 blast armour busting weapon. Lack of aimed shot ability is bit annoying)
Here's my humble contribution to the thread, bit embarrassed by it after seeing some of the work on here.
Bit of backstory. Got these guys for Christmas, there was an AT tournament in mid-Jan so decided to just blitz these guys and get them to a presentable standard. Didn't manage to get it all done in time hence the unfinished bits, particularly on the Warhounds.
Ended coming up dead last, in 3 1500pt games I managed to only kill a single Warhound, got tabled pretty much in every game, however I managed to win several of the "spot prizes" and earned enough store credit for another box of Knights. My overall luck in the game was horrendous; despite running an Axiom Maniple (whichever one lets you pass certain command checks on 2+), not a single turn in the whole tournament did I manage to get more than one order off at a time. I failed more shield saves than I passed.
After that I decided to take a bit of a step back from it for a while and work on my Custodes. I think the disappointing result of the tournament (I wasn't aiming for 1st or anything, just wanted to try out the Titans), combined with general exhaustion of working non-stop on them for a few weeks, put me off the game for a while.
I saw a recent battle report last night and decided to give it another go, although I'm not 100% happy with my choice of Legio. I already have a 40K Warhound and Reaver in Astorum colours and am thinking of repainting these guys to Astorum as well. Shouldn't be too difficult as I have a decent airbrush and after 2x Titans and 5x Knights in 40k scale, I'm pretty confident with my choice of blue shades to make it work. Although I'm a bit reluctant to change it as I've already put a lot of work into them until now.
Additionally, one thing I'm still not happy with is the yellow. Wherever I stay with Gryphonicus or go for Astorum I'm going to have to paint some yellow. They currently use some old Citadel Iyanden Darksun (very old Foundation colours), shaded with Fleshshade, and while it doesn't look too bad, I think the actual age of the paint has had an effect on the final outcome. Does anyone know of a good way to do an effective yellow, preferably with Vallejo airbrush colours?
Valkyrie wrote: Ended coming up dead last, in 3 1500pt games I managed to only kill a single Warhound, got tabled pretty much in every game, however I managed to win several of the "spot prizes" and earned enough store credit for another box of Knights. My overall luck in the game was horrendous; despite running an Axiom Maniple (whichever one lets you pass certain command checks on 2+), not a single turn in the whole tournament did I manage to get more than one order off at a time. I failed more shield saves than I passed.
Sheesh if you were getting tabled near every game you must have been running pretty bad luck. Titans take so much punishment generally that as long as you fire back it should be pretty hard to get tabled! Closest we got to tabling was my 2 warlord, 2 reaver, 2 warhounds with all that can have having h2h weapon and then first 2-3 turns going full stride ahead all the time. And that broke the "as long as you fire back" part as I wasn't shooting...And even that wasn't wipe out with titans left. I have yet to see even once being tabled! So getting tabled more than once is pretty impressive feature in my books!
Myrmidon maniple btw. 2+ for first fire. Fairly bad maniple bonus as you won't often even want more than 1 on first fire(or if you do 3 or 5. 2nd and 4th enemy can often move out of arc negating bonus) so main thing is 2-3 warlords. If you want lotsa orders axiom is better as it allows to give orders even when you fail one.
SamusDrake wrote:Valkyrie, thats a respectable job. Nothing to be embarrissed about.
Thanks for the kind words, that really means a lot
tneva82 wrote:
Valkyrie wrote: Ended coming up dead last, in 3 1500pt games I managed to only kill a single Warhound, got tabled pretty much in every game, however I managed to win several of the "spot prizes" and earned enough store credit for another box of Knights. My overall luck in the game was horrendous; despite running an Axiom Maniple (whichever one lets you pass certain command checks on 2+), not a single turn in the whole tournament did I manage to get more than one order off at a time. I failed more shield saves than I passed.
Sheesh if you were getting tabled near every game you must have been running pretty bad luck. Titans take so much punishment generally that as long as you fire back it should be pretty hard to get tabled! Closest we got to tabling was my 2 warlord, 2 reaver, 2 warhounds with all that can have having h2h weapon and then first 2-3 turns going full stride ahead all the time. And that broke the "as long as you fire back" part as I wasn't shooting...And even that wasn't wipe out with titans left. I have yet to see even once being tabled! So getting tabled more than once is pretty impressive feature in my books!
Myrmidon maniple btw. 2+ for first fire. Fairly bad maniple bonus as you won't often even want more than 1 on first fire(or if you do 3 or 5. 2nd and 4th enemy can often move out of arc negating bonus) so main thing is 2-3 warlords. If you want lotsa orders axiom is better as it allows to give orders even when you fail one.
Yeah the luck was horrendous, even when I used the other guy's dice (with his permission) in case I had somehow received a defective die it remained bad. Oh well I can't complain as I learned a great deal about tactics and formations.
Update to my previous post, I've decided to switch to Astorum for a couple of reasons:
1. They fit in nicely with my 40k Titans and Knights.
2. The blue is a nicer contrast to the silver than grey.
3. I just prefer the Astorum aesthetic and themes rather than Gryphonicus.
Here's a snippet of a test run I did on one of the Warlords, before and after shot of the new colours. Didn't take long, only 20 mins or so with an airbrush so it shouldn't be too difficult to change the rest.
Valkyrie wrote: Yeah the luck was horrendous, even when I used the other guy's dice (with his permission) in case I had somehow received a defective die it remained bad. Oh well I can't complain as I learned a great deal about tactics and formations.
Yeah well be happy that it was not YOU doing something badly to get that You would really need to do something spectacularly stupid like exposing your rear's just for fun and rushing into h2h range of h2h titan without h2h weapons of your own or something like that to get consistently wiped out by poor playing ;-)
Impressive how you didn't ruin your edges if you airbrushed it. I went for same legion from Victorum and after yellow the edges needed def some touching up.
some smexxy titans in here now.
i took one glare at the warlord kit and just, nope. not this time.
maybe i get the inspiration back to finish my demi axiom clouser to the summer.
Just out of curiosity, is there a Stormspear Pod on the Knight sprue that I've missed? I was thumbing lazily though the rulebook, and on P.20 with the example game the Malinax Knights appear to have Stormspear Pods.
Valkyrie wrote: Just out of curiosity, is there a Stormspear Pod on the Knight sprue that I've missed? I was thumbing lazily though the rulebook, and on P.20 with the example game the Malinax Knights appear to have Stormspear Pods.
No there isn’t. Hopefully they release them soon, but it’ll probably be in resin.
As yet unreleased upgrades. Who knows when they come and what else in there is? Hoping it would be more regular weapons and not just rocket pods.
But no you haven't missed them yet. Those are bit of oddity. Clearly done since there's even photo so why they haven't yet been released yet? I was expecting them last year already.
Just a couple of reflections on my playstyle; I think I was too conservative with the Warlords for starters. I was using the Void Generator so that heavily restricted my movement, and a lot of the short ranged weapons found themselves without targets for a fair portion of the game.
Warhounds with twin-Plasma seem very efficient. The last opponent used 4 of them and it just tore through shields and armour thanks to the double hits from blasts and the +1 squadron bonus.
With that in mind I've come up with an alternative list for 1750pts.
You don't need to use Maximal most of the time, as the guy was using them to strip shields. 4x Blast attacks per Warhound is a potential 8 shield saves. It's more accurate than non-blasts and once the shields are down it can effectively strip armour, unlike multi-shot weapons designed to wear the voids down but don't have the strength for actual damage.
Only big issue on original list was warlord carapaces. Short ranged for one with long range guns and long range for short range arm? Gatlings at range means -1 to hit for quake! Swap those and listrsn't issue
Finally got round to playing the first game tonight with my brother, learning the rules as we went along. Hoping for a quick game we went with a "Warhound duel" using the Titanic Clash scenario on page 40...
We got so engrossed in the game that we went way past the 4-turn duration. Both hounds refused to die, but we think that might be due to our lack of understanding of the rules. Bro's hound ended up with serious structural damage, whereas mine kept having its weapons disabled and its legs eventually stopped working.
Thankfully, my brother didn't think to flank my hound and dish out the killing blow...it was a never-ending toe-to-toe slugging match!
SamusDrake wrote: Finally got round to playing the first game tonight with my brother, learning the rules as we went along. Hoping for a quick game we went with a "Warhound duel" using the Titanic Clash scenario on page 40...
We got so engrossed in the game that we went way past the 4-turn duration. Both hounds refused to die, but we think that might be due to our lack of understanding of the rules. Bro's hound ended up with serious structural damage, whereas mine kept having its weapons disabled and its legs eventually stopped working.
Thankfully, my brother didn't think to flank my hound and dish out the killing blow...it was a never-ending toe-to-toe slugging match!
Actually titan vs titan is going to be fairly hard to get quick win. Titans take out lots of punishment and repair shields. Consider this. vulcan+plasma warhound. Total of 6 VMB shot and 2 plasma shots resulting in average to 4 and 1.333 hits(doubled to 2.6666) so 6 hits. That's 2 shields down. Warhound repairs 0.6666 shields without repair order. Albeit eventually shields go to 4+. But he could push voids for reroll 1's with VMB's at least until that happens.
It's going to take a while to get there short of very unlucky roll for shields!
This is generally true of ANY game and as such very rarely 1 model vs 1 model gives good idea of the game. Standard warlord vs standard warlord with each having missile+2 volcano would be very boring slug fight. Does that make that bad configuration? No. But 1 vs 1 rarely give you full idea of game. (similarly warlord vs warhound could appear to be broken game as warhound, once it gets behind, is basically automatic win. Warlord gets basically max 1 round to take down which is very unlikely. Then it loses. Again that's because it's 1 vs 1 and that rarely in any game system really works. Even on skirmish games you generally need multiple pieces before it shows game truthfully).
For other examples for example battlefleet gothic cruiser vs cruiser it generally was running in circle not getting past shields except with high luck/bad luck so you ended up waiting for those. If that was all you saw you could think BFG was boooooring game. Not so when you add more ships to game though...
That is so true. One thing I will say for that approach is that you get to the combat stage very quickly and although repetitive, it does drum home the rules of that phase very quickly.
The second game we had was more scenery, a support banner for each hound and, we followed the duration of 4 turns. Much more fun this time round as we weren't constantly holding the rule book. The swine won again! I should never have let him take the lancers...
It'll be a while but next time we've agreed to use the Reaver( supported by a banner ) against the two hounds...
So, I have a game coming up this Sunday and need some ideas on my list. Never played the guy before but from our discussions I can make the following assumptions about his Legio:
- He has 3 Warlords, 3 Reavers and 4 Warhounds at his disposal.
- He may be using Tempestus upgrades.
- He may be planning to use a Warlord with Arioch Claw, as we houseruled to allow him to use the mounted Vulcan.
We're both still quite new to the game so I have a rudimentary 2k list drawn up:
The list is based around the models I currently have, although we're not being strict on weapon WYSIWYG. I'm hoping moving the Knights from cover to cover with Full Stride can help get them up close and in combat.
Some ideas on general tactics would really be appreciated. What would be the best Strategems? Which units should get closer and which should stay back? Any other tips?
Valkyrie wrote: So, I have a game coming up this Sunday and need some ideas on my list. Never played the guy before but from our discussions I can make the following assumptions about his Legio:
- He has 3 Warlords, 3 Reavers and 4 Warhounds at his disposal.
- He may be using Tempestus upgrades.
- He may be planning to use a Warlord with Arioch Claw, as we houseruled to allow him to use the mounted Vulcan.
We're both still quite new to the game so I have a rudimentary 2k list drawn up:
The list is based around the models I currently have, although we're not being strict on weapon WYSIWYG. I'm hoping moving the Knights from cover to cover with Full Stride can help get them up close and in combat.
Some ideas on general tactics would really be appreciated. What would be the best Strategems? Which units should get closer and which should stay back? Any other tips?
Thats a well balanced force. The two Warlords provide good fire coverage(pinning down the enemy) while the Reaver leads the hounds as a strike team to take the fight to the enemy. Your Knights can provide support where needed or even take objectives. The titans are packing good firepower, but neither the reaver nor Warlords are equiped for closer quarters, meaning you are vulnerable to Knights - especially Lancers, so maybe your knights can counter any such threat, playing body guards?
Valkyrie wrote: So, I have a game coming up this Sunday and need some ideas on my list. Never played the guy before but from our discussions I can make the following assumptions about his Legio:
- He has 3 Warlords, 3 Reavers and 4 Warhounds at his disposal.
- He may be using Tempestus upgrades.
- He may be planning to use a Warlord with Arioch Claw, as we houseruled to allow him to use the mounted Vulcan.
We're both still quite new to the game so I have a rudimentary 2k list drawn up:
The list is based around the models I currently have, although we're not being strict on weapon WYSIWYG. I'm hoping moving the Knights from cover to cover with Full Stride can help get them up close and in combat.
Some ideas on general tactics would really be appreciated. What would be the best Strategems? Which units should get closer and which should stay back? Any other tips?
Thats a well balanced force. The two Warlords provide good fire coverage(pinning down the enemy) while the Reaver leads the hounds as a strike team to take the fight to the enemy. Your Knights can provide support where needed or even take objectives. The titans are packing good firepower, but neither the reaver nor Warlords are equiped for closer quarters, meaning you are vulnerable to Knights - especially Lancers, so maybe your knights can counter any such threat, playing body guards?
I'm still a bit apprehensive about putting CC weapons on Reavers and Warlords, mainly due to their lack of speed. Reavers maybe, but they're still not that quick. Would you suggest putting a Power Fist on the Reaver then?
Just getting back into gear after several months' hiatus. Played another test game recently (one Reaver and one Warhound per side). Only used the basic rules, but good fun nonetheless. Especially the spectacular ability of my opponent's Warhound to ricochet plasma blastgun shots into the friendly Reaver standing 10" directly behind it. When his target (my Reaver) was standing 3" directly in front of it. Insert Mulan quote here.
We used the old 2nd ed SM/TL cross-shaped buildings, which proved the perfect size when clumped in twos and threes.
I did have one moment of 'oops' when I moved up my Reaver with chainfist and gattler ready to chop up his plasma/inferno Warhound, only to realise that a) he would get to activate it first, b) he was now inside my shields, c) my carapace turbo laser couldn't zap him at such close range and d) his inferno gun proceeded to burn off my chainfist with a flukey location roll. Learning is fun. Oh, and e) I couldn't find the Smash Attack rules in the rulebook. Who decided to put them after the catastrophic damage table? How eminently logical.
Fortunately I repaired the chainfist and chopped his Hound's legs off a turn later.
How do people feel about a Reaver armed with twin volcano cannons? Would the reactor be able to cope? I'm envisioning it staying at long range (probably with an apocalypse launcher on the carapace), so not needing to push for movement too often. But mainly I just like the sheer over-the-topness of it...
He has 2 volcano cannons and melta cannon that will delete banners in no time along with knights of his own and 2 sunfury that will also make mincemeat of knights. He can deal with them. Use reaver or hound(maybe give one plasma to worry knights) to force them to charge it or get peppered by knight killing weapon or go away.
I'm still a bit apprehensive about putting CC weapons on Reavers and Warlords, mainly due to their lack of speed. Reavers maybe, but they're still not that quick. Would you suggest putting a Power Fist on the Reaver then?
Reading through your post a second time I had overlooked that your friend doesn't appear to have any knights to be concerned about. That said I wouldn't overlook your friend's interest in arming one of his Warlords with a melee claw...what's he up to?
Personally, I think your current selection is sound( don't change it ) but consider the battlefield layout and if he has any Titans armed for close quarters. Just make sure that if he intends to get up-close-and-personal that he will have to run the gauntlet in order to do so. Don't leave such units unchecked and remember that all the time they are out of close-range that their firepower will be less than yours, and thus become the weak link in the chain. Put them out of action first and then focus on the remaining units.
But this is overthinking it and I think you've got it covered.
The game was still a learning experience for both of us, there were a few rule misinterpretations on his part that weren't picked up until towards the end
- He thought the carapace weapon for the Reaver was optional. This is actually very important as I totalled up the points afterwards and he would have had to drop a unit or significantly change his loadouts.
- He thought the repair rolls were added up and results deducted (eg: I roll a 3, 3, 2 giving me 8 letting me cool down the reactor twice). It seemed very weird how his reactors were very rarely in the orange despite pushing the voids to full for every attack.
The game went very well, I won 13-8 due to the Reaver and cargo making it into his deployment zone, despite being quaked every turn by the Warlord and only moving 4" a time. He was able to kill the Warhounds and one of the Warlords, but if the came had gone on for another turn he would have easily won. He made a tactical mistake by moving his Reavers away from the Knights and my Reaver for the first couple of turns, only around halfway through when he realised my plan did he turn around to catch up.
Astorum's rules in Titandeath are pretty decent. The additional 2" on your move is awesome, and the risk really isn't that bad; I only had double-reactor come up one I think despite using the boosted movement on all my units. Re-rolling your repair rolls is just golden, and while the traits aren't that good IMO, the re-roll more than makes up for it.
SamusDrake wrote: Valkyrie, it sounds like you had a fun game. Quite surprised he banked so much on melee weapons...did he really get that close?
We used the staggered deployment (can't remember the name) where you place your smallest unit in Zone A, closest to the enemies, then in B, and so on. I think he misunderstood the rules for it; I was under the impression you place all your units of a particular scale in each zone alltogether, whereas he believed you place a single one in each, and when all 3 zones are filled, any remaining units are placed anywhere you like.
So with my interpretation, it would go A- Knights, B- Warhound, C- Reaver + Warlords, but his deployment ended up A- Warhounds, 2x CC Reavers and CC Warlord, B- CC Reaver, C- Quake Warlord, meaning his close combat units were right on top of me from the start.
Yeah, that sounds like a very bad case of failed reading comprehension or audacious cheating to me. A good chat about rules, maybe even with a book in hand, might be in order.
Still, fun can and should very well be had while learning how things actually work, so carry on
Finally managed to get a shade of yellow I'm happy with. Was using Vallejo yellow airbrushed, kept coming out as a pale shade with a slight blue tinge.
Here's one of my Warlords, only got the plasma and decals to do. Pretty happy with how it's turned out.
Cobbled together some story-fluff for a Knight house hold, ready for DOM next month, and how they fit in with the current army I've already got while also able to pit them against each other. Basically its a similar situation to the Space Wolves and Dark Angels where its assumed one of them turned traitor and the other goes to sort them out, but realise they had hung tough and remained loyal. So that civil war is where the two houses clash, but when together, its when they recover their loses by entering into a House-alliance with each other( both are backwater neigbours, cut off from help during the traitor's advance to terra and retreat back into the eye of terror ) and then returning the favour to the traitors, who engineered their civil war. Skulls WILL be cracked! I don't want to overthink it, but it helps when planning and painting units.
Went to pick up the Weapon cards this afternoon but the delivery was late so another day for that.
Knocking together some smaller, additional banner terminals just to hold the tokens and structure points. I just feel that if one has two or three banners of the same kind that it takes up unnecessary table space, and you only need one terminal with the knight info such as shields, stats and weapons. I don't need them just yet, but I plan to get more Qs and Cs soon...
Bought my first AT purchase the other day during a trip (pilgrimage) to Warhammer World - a set of the plastic Knights. Have to say they are lovely little sculpts, tremendous detail.
Planning to dual purpose them - use for Epic Armageddon alongside great-crusade era World Eaters, and will hopefully pick up the AT rules at some point soon.
Pacific wrote: Bought my first AT purchase the other day during a trip (pilgrimage) to Warhammer World - a set of the plastic Knights. Have to say they are lovely little sculpts, tremendous detail.
Planning to dual purpose them - use for Epic Armageddon alongside great-crusade era World Eaters, and will hopefully pick up the AT rules at some point soon.
Now to spend weeks deciding on a colour scheme..
Really, the AT kits are the most fun ive had building and painting! Maybe im partial to anything with big fighting warmachines but they are a delight! Even the babyknights are truly impressive!
Picked up the weapon cards for the Warhounds. Now able to present my terminals in a digified fashion!
Really hoping they announce something either today or tomorrow so I can have a pre-order delivered by mid-april( got some holiday ). Otherwise, maybe just a set of Questoris and the "dark city" from Warcradle.
Haven't yet decided on a Maniple for them but I think it's a good variety of units there. A CC Reaver and 8x Knights can put the pressure on, even more so with the boosted movement from Astorum, with the Reaver moving up to 22" a turn!
Additionally, hoping to get some feedback on a rule I'm still not sure about; Can Knights go round corners when charging? I can see both sides to the argument, but I'm on the side of they have to move in a straight line. Reason I'm asking is that I recently saw a video report, and the guy was issuing charge orders to his Knights, they only moved around 3" from point A-B, but he said "yeah they move out 6" then back to get the full number of attacks", which seemed a bit of a dickish exploit.
Haven't yet decided on a Maniple for them but I think it's a good variety of units there. A CC Reaver and 8x Knights can put the pressure on, even more so with the boosted movement from Astorum, with the Reaver moving up to 22" a turn!
Additionally, hoping to get some feedback on a rule I'm still not sure about; Can Knights go round corners when charging? I can see both sides to the argument, but I'm on the side of they have to move in a straight line. Reason I'm asking is that I recently saw a video report, and the guy was issuing charge orders to his Knights, they only moved around 3" from point A-B, but he said "yeah they move out 6" then back to get the full number of attacks", which seemed a bit of a dickish exploit.
Thanks,
A chainfist/Melta Reaver and eight knights - assuming they are armed with reaper chainswords, will at least have you covered on the melee front this time. You did really well last time considering the dirdy'twick that chap pulled on you!
Knights are considered agile so unless it specifically states otherwise in the rule book, I'd have them charge the full length, without penalty when manouvering round corners.
As per the current RAW, Charging only limits you to Front arc and disables turning, ie. diagonal moving is okay. Knights only have a Front and aren't thus ever required to turn, which gives them wonky maxed out charges all day long. This pretty clearly isn't the intention and Andy Hoare hinted on Twitch that when Doom of Molech comes out this month, they have cleared some rules regarding Knights' orders. Charging changing to straight lines for Knights seems to be coming, so it can be helpful to start thinking that way.
Pretty awesome stuff Zedmeister, love the little bunker on the base.
I've come across some parts to convert the Cerastus Lancers into Acherons. Has anyone had any experience with using them in a game? They look like a decent trade off for the Lancer, while you lose a point of strength in CC the Rending can make up for it.
I've come across some parts to convert the Cerastus Lancers into Acherons. Has anyone had any experience with using them in a game? They look like a decent trade off for the Lancer, while you lose a point of strength in CC the Rending can make up for it.
Not only that, but the Acherons have flame cannons which seem better than the shock blast from the Lancer's shield. Their chainfist would also stack with the Castigator warblade for more dice...
I've come across some parts to convert the Cerastus Lancers into Acherons. Has anyone had any experience with using them in a game? They look like a decent trade off for the Lancer, while you lose a point of strength in CC the Rending can make up for it.
Not only that, but the Acherons have flame cannons which seem better than the shock blast from the Lancer's shield. Their chainfist would also stack with the Castigator warblade for more dice...
If only the Castigator would be useful for something, the gun is literally worse than Avenger and that is already pushing it to the realm of (awesome) stylistic choices
I haven't yet fielded my Acherons that much, though I feel they have potential. Highly mobile terror troops that can protect your own lines from Lancers and Warhounds. Of course if Doom of Molech brings knightly hordes to the table as an option, it's always handy to have more flamers when you cannot miss. Burninating time, baby!
It would seem the Castigator is there to provide an option for long-range attacks, but the Questoris will always do a better job in that area just as the Cerastus has them beat at short range assaults.
And as the Cerastus Banner marches across the field of battle, he'll remind his battle-buddies that he is 5 dollars cheaper than the Acheron!
Another update on my Astorum titans. Finally managed to get the Sunfury sprue and decided to get a Melta Reaver as well while I was there. They're all in various states of completion, some just need the trim painted, others need most of the armour attached but what the hell, let's show it all off!
I'm quite proud of the bases, loving the smaller scale and the space it gives you to work with. So far we have a road with broken lights and some sort of checkpoint building, a lonely Leman Russ working its way through the mud, and a bit of a generic wasteland which I'll add some Marines onto, as well as one of the Reavers towering over some unfortunate Emperors Children.
I also have 2 Warhounds to be completed as well as 9 Knights on the table. Future plans are to get another Reaver, perhaps another pair of Warhounds and a couple of sets of Cerastus Knights. Found a means to get a very decent Acheron upgrade kit so will be looking into that as well.
Very nice bases, Valkyrie. They convey the scale terrificly well.
At my end there's no real progress with miniatures, but I did get hyped on an upcoming game and ended up both getting more trees and making some tea light explosions that just refuse to play along in photographs. Might give them a light spray of grey and brown at some point to emulate thicker smoke.
Gaming happens, Favilla vs. a combined assault of Astorum and Mortis in the Second Battle of Nyrcon City scenario. Utterly devastating seven hour slog (2000 p. vs. 3000) full of banter and explosions, a proper battle report coming in a few days.
eBay, they pop up from time to time, just look for epic forumware, there was a person that used to do it in AUS but they got shut down by GW so it's just pot luck now, sorry.
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I like my Dropzone hannibals, but its nice to have options... ^_^
I mostly got them for titanicus originally, wanted to spruce up my bases... Then it kind of spiralled and I bought more hahah.
Now me and my local gaming group are working on a conversion set of rules for HH to port it to a smaller scale for larger battles we could hope to afford in 28mm, that and playing epic with them of course, got to say a standard 6 by 4 board using heresy epic is awesome to say the least.
Done some more on the first Reaver; silvered up the weapons and added more detail to the base. Will get a second gatling/powerfist sprue so that he can do dualies, and obviously the forthcoming carapace resin weapons.
With so many left over pieces I'm pondering the possibility of a third, DIY warhound. Started to design it in a 3D package , but will take a while to build. I might do a bit of disgusing here'n'there, such as his feet having dug into the ground while cotton-wool smoke hides the legs and rear carapace.
Weighing up the future; a new( custom ) maniple of three titans. At the moment I'm thinking of a melta/chainfist Reaver, a DIY Warhound and - although not released yet - a Warbringer. It would share weapons'n'cards with the Reaver, and already has a 40K version so he seems likely to be the next Titan. We will use Venator maniple rules, but a custom Legios with just the rule to replace a Titan with a Warbringer.
Played a game last night, which was really good fun. It did raise a mystery though, which is connected to a previous discussion for the Castigator's bolt cannon...
There is the rule where a weapon with a strength of 3 or less is ignored when attacking against void shields. The Questoris avenger cannon seems to be used for knight-warfare rather than titans with a strength of 3, and it would seem the same for the Castigator bolt cannon also having a strength 3.
Yet, in White Dwarf( December, 2018 ) it says that the bolt cannon is ideal for stripping void shields. Is this an error or am I overlooking something?
I thought so. There was nothing I could see in the rules that would give it such an ability.
Considering the castigator's point cost( 20 ) compared to the load out of a Questoris avenger+melee weapon( 10 ), it makes one think that there has been a slip up somewhere. And I doubt they can increase the strength to 4 as that would make the bolt cannon a vulcan mega bolter with an extra dice for attack...
Yeah, currently the Str 3 weapons do nothing against Voids.
Buuut...
Doom of Molech is coming up and some leakers say that the new Knight Lances made of several Banners get a new Order, that allows them to do coordinated attacks which increase the Strenght value of their attacks (not just modifying the Armour roll). If this is true, then Avengers and Castigators might actually serve some purpose as tasty shield rippers. Personally I remain sceptic until I get the book in my own hands, but we'll see.
Sherrypie wrote: Yeah, currently the Str 3 weapons do nothing against Voids.
Buuut...
Doom of Molech is coming up and some leakers say that the new Knight Lances made of several Banners get a new Order, that allows them to do coordinated attacks which increase the Strenght value of their attacks (not just modifying the Armour roll). If this is true, then Avengers and Castigators might actually serve some purpose as tasty shield rippers. Personally I remain sceptic until I get the book in my own hands, but we'll see.
Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I've decided that disposable income is for suckers and am getting into AT. The question is where to start. The Princeps Collection looks promising...everything I need for a full maniple (I think I'm using the term correctly), rules, etc. All I would need are some knights to get me going. This a good plan?
Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I've decided that disposable income is for suckers and am getting into AT. The question is where to start. The Princeps Collection looks promising...everything I need for a full maniple (I think I'm using the term correctly), rules, etc. All I would need are some knights to get me going. This a good plan?
Thanks!
Apart from swapping the buildings for Warcradle's Factory( big enough to cover even a Warlord ), yeah...its good. Cerastus Lancers are fast and lethal for melee assaults on titans...
Yup. Basically if you have the rules set with dice and terminals and ~4-5 engines of varying types you're well on the way. Just make sure to have a pile of suitable terrain at hand, it makes the game shine both mechanically and visually.
velocitydog wrote: Many thanks! The Warcradle's buildings are really nice. What about the more shooty knights? Are they a good purchase?
At the moment the current knights are best used for melee, although the Flame Cannon( Cerastus ) and Fusion cannon( Questoris ) seem very effective weapons. Unfortunately, until we get either variants or resin upgrades, you have limited choice in armament( model-wise ).
I recommend you use Warhounds for that role as they work well with Knights, as a forward strike team. Warhounds strip the shields( Mega-bolter or Destructor ) while the Knights move in for the kill. Sorted!
Old hammer into new hammer. My Adeptus Titanicusified version of the classic epic tracked Warden Knight. its still rough, more of a proof of concept. sorry I don't know how to rotate the pictures.
velocitydog wrote: Nice! A one-two punch combination. Too bad about the shooty knights, I prefer those models.
Well, there are Knight House battles where they could be useful and maybe something about Giant-reptile hunts. Titans aren't the only game in town...
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CommodorePerry3 wrote: Old hammer into new hammer. My Adeptus Titanicusified version of the classic epic tracked Warden Knight. its still rough, more of a proof of concept. sorry I don't know how to rotate the pictures.
Its not hard to envision that fella chasing after a Titan yelling "Com'ere ya big baaa'sturd! I got somethin' for ya!"
Sherrypie wrote: Some progress again, got some paint on Aurora Terribilis. Sadly it shall languish in such a state for the next week because of work trips
SirDonlad wrote: A mild distraction from the arduous micro-painting...
..Some order tokens!
stl files found on thingiverse.com btw
I was going to do something similar but instead I just Xeroxed the page that has the orders listed, made 10 copies so I'll just cut out the text boxes to use as order tokens.
Finally got some more painting done, as Aurora Terribilis marches to war. No more falling over mid-battle for you, mr. I-can't-be-glued-until-subassemblies-are-painted!
The carapace looks a bit weird as it got done the way it is after I managed to glue a magnet in the hole wrong way up and couldn't get it off anymore, but I like having bit of variation in the force (though it should be pretty obvious that missile pod is not really meant for this engine, I just painted it at the same time ).
Sherrypie wrote: Yeah, currently the Str 3 weapons do nothing against Voids.
Buuut...
Doom of Molech is coming up and some leakers say that the new Knight Lances made of several Banners get a new Order, that allows them to do coordinated attacks which increase the Strenght value of their attacks (not just modifying the Armour roll). If this is true, then Avengers and Castigators might actually serve some purpose as tasty shield rippers. Personally I remain sceptic until I get the book in my own hands, but we'll see.
Coordinated Strike gives a +1 (or +2 for Janissary Maniples) to the armor rolls. It gives no bonus to stripping Void shields.
Sherrypie wrote: Yeah, currently the Str 3 weapons do nothing against Voids.
Buuut...
Doom of Molech is coming up and some leakers say that the new Knight Lances made of several Banners get a new Order, that allows them to do coordinated attacks which increase the Strenght value of their attacks (not just modifying the Armour roll). If this is true, then Avengers and Castigators might actually serve some purpose as tasty shield rippers. Personally I remain sceptic until I get the book in my own hands, but we'll see.
Coordinated Strike gives a +1 (or +2 for Janissary Maniples) to the armor rolls. It gives no bonus to stripping Void shields.
You're confusing things, those are very different from each other. You're talking about Titan squadrons, which indeed gain +1 to Armour (or +2 from Lupercal, Janissary is the one that allows double actions with Knights and Titans) just by attacking it simultaneously whereas Household Lances get a new Order, where the Banner that has the Order attacks with only one gun but gains +1 Strenght for each contributing model in the Banner. This is mostly useful with the Avenger, which has 8 shots and Rapid. Even a single Knight can now strip shields with it, a large banner can shoot one Str 9 Avenger
Having a read through the Coordinated Strike rule in DOM( p36 ), it basically says that the order allows the lance banner to increase the strength of its weapon.
In the case of the Avengers and Castigators, it allows them to meet the minimum required strength of 4 to inflict damage to void shields.
Personally, I think it ought to be +1 for each additional knight in the banner. So the first chosen Knight is for directing the fire and the others then add to his firepower, pushing beyond the strength of 3. If its just one Knight on his own...it can't really be a coordinated attack!
i dont have any of the building kits to use for scale, how big approx is a IG trooper in this game?
im planning some sort of bunker style building on the base on my warlord and need a rough size for doors.
FrozenDwarf wrote: i dont have any of the building kits to use for scale, how big approx is a IG trooper in this game?
im planning some sort of bunker style building on the base on my warlord and need a rough size for doors.
Well, the marines in old Epic were rougly 6mm, so I'd imagine 4mm for a normal guardsman.
FrozenDwarf wrote: i dont have any of the building kits to use for scale, how big approx is a IG trooper in this game?
im planning some sort of bunker style building on the base on my warlord and need a rough size for doors.
Well, the marines in old Epic were rougly 6mm, so I'd imagine 4mm for a normal guardsman.
Incorrect. The old IG troopers were also 6mm, squats were a millimeter shorter while being sturdier than terminators and what not. Scales were somewhat softly defined.
Titanicus is measured towards 1:270 scale, where a normal 180 cm human is ~6,5 mm and the developers have said they'd make marines 8 mm if they get to that point some day. A 7-8 mm door will do fine for normal heights.
This may be a biased audience but do the rest of you all find AT to the be the most fun GW product to think about, plan, convert, look at other paint jobs, and work on? With the exception of Reaver legs I think this is probably the most enjoyable project since I started the hobby in 2005.
Fajita Fan wrote: This may be a biased audience but do the rest of you all find AT to the be the most fun GW product to think about, plan, convert, look at other paint jobs, and work on? With the exception of Reaver legs I think this is probably the most enjoyable project since I started the hobby in 2005.
for me, no.
i just have bigger inntrest in 15mm and below games, so i have the same level of inntrest in AT as i have in flames of war or dystopian wars.
Fajita Fan wrote: You prefer FoW and Dystopian Wars to AT? What's wrong?
for Dystopian i love the exploding dice system. free dices ftw! (plus OOP Spartans resin models are ace quality)
for FoW, well the huge historical spread (ww1 to fictional cold war) plus its fun and fast spinoff skirmish variant.
but the moust important thing is that they are in MY eyes, miniatures (aka tiny, tiny small models). while AT is in the 6-8mm scale, the titans are in actual size, huge. when i did my reaver and hounds, i felt as if i was doing models for a 28mm scale game.
from a hobby perspective, i would have enjoyed AT more if it was in alot smaller scale.
as sutch i have a strong feeling i will enjoy the hobby aspect around Epic more then AT if Epic ever returns.
Fajita Fan wrote: This may be a biased audience but do the rest of you all find AT to the be the most fun GW product to think about, plan, convert, look at other paint jobs, and work on? With the exception of Reaver legs I think this is probably the most enjoyable project since I started the hobby in 2005.
Absolutely agree - the scale is just brilliant. Giant titans striding between buildings, combine with entire tank companies and hundreds of troops doing battle across humongous battlefields.
Not just AT - but the whole concept, really 'epic' in name and nature! There is a very good reason the game was a mainstay and core GW release for many years, you get such a good setting that you really can't match at 28mm scale.
Fajita Fan wrote: You prefer FoW and Dystopian Wars to AT? What's wrong?
for Dystopian i love the exploding dice system. free dices ftw! (plus OOP Spartans resin models are ace quality)
for FoW, well the huge historical spread (ww1 to fictional cold war) plus its fun and fast spinoff skirmish variant.
but the moust important thing is that they are in MY eyes, miniatures (aka tiny, tiny small models). while AT is in the 6-8mm scale, the titans are in actual size, huge. when i did my reaver and hounds, i felt as if i was doing models for a 28mm scale game.
from a hobby perspective, i would have enjoyed AT more if it was in alot smaller scale.
as sutch i have a strong feeling i will enjoy the hobby aspect around Epic more then AT if Epic ever returns.
but now we are drifting off topic.........
Hmm. I feel the same way about the AT titans.
I like the models a lot, but not as much as the little classic Epic titans (which are more like 1:500 scale).
I still play old editions of Epic, and scrounging OOP titans hasn't been easy... but I don't think I'd want to use the AT titans in Epic games. Even though the new AT models are objectively the 'correct' scale compared to the infantry, while the old Epic models are much smaller than they should be, the Epic titans feel more 'right'. Even though they're smaller, they feel bigger. Possibly because the terrain around them is also usually smaller than it 'should' be, which makes it feel as if you're viewing the battlefield from a great height--as if it's all *huge* but a long way below.
Maybe it's just decades of familiarity with the old minis. I think it's more than that, though.
It struck me the other day while painting up the AT titans that they feel like big toys. I usually only get that feeling from chunky 28mm vehicles like Space Marine Land Raiders and the like.
Obviously, the old Epic titans are 'toy soldiers' too. Yet somehow they feel more... dignified.
It's weird--the smaller the scale, the more grown-up the game feels to me. Maybe it's because you feel more like a real (cliche) general standing around a map of a real continent while underlings push army markers around with those little broom things.
I feel the same way about metal vs plastic miniatures, which is why I try to go for metal whenever possible. The weight and material just give off a kind of indefinable reassuring aura that says 'dignified grown-up hobby with a long and respectable tradition stretching back to HG Wells'... while plastic miniatures just feel like cheap toys to me no matter how detailed they are. It's like eating at a fancy restaurant versus eating at McDonald's, or something.
Edited to add: One thing I'd really love to see Forgeworld do are a few vehicles or infantry as decorative terrain pieces to scatter around the board. Wrecked tanks, abandoned civilian vehicles and things of that nature. Currently it's a bit hard to get a sense of exactly how big the AT titans are because things like doors are tucked away out of sight. I experimented with a few old Micro Machines vehicles that were about the right scale--leaving them parked on the street as if abandoned--and it really helped to convey the scale of the AT models.
Edited to add: One thing I'd really love to see Forgeworld do are a few vehicles or infantry as decorative terrain pieces to scatter around the board. Wrecked tanks, abandoned civilian vehicles and things of that nature. Currently it's a bit hard to get a sense of exactly how big the AT titans are because things like doors are tucked away out of sight. I experimented with a few old Micro Machines vehicles that were about the right scale--leaving them parked on the street as if abandoned--and it really helped to convey the scale of the AT models.
well, FW did show off this train last year, hopefully it comes this year and that it is the first of many non building terrain kits for AT.
Fajita Fan wrote: You prefer FoW and Dystopian Wars to AT? What's wrong?
for Dystopian i love the exploding dice system. free dices ftw! (plus OOP Spartans resin models are ace quality)
for FoW, well the huge historical spread (ww1 to fictional cold war) plus its fun and fast spinoff skirmish variant.
but the moust important thing is that they are in MY eyes, miniatures (aka tiny, tiny small models). while AT is in the 6-8mm scale, the titans are in actual size, huge. when i did my reaver and hounds, i felt as if i was doing models for a 28mm scale game.
from a hobby perspective, i would have enjoyed AT more if it was in alot smaller scale.
as sutch i have a strong feeling i will enjoy the hobby aspect around Epic more then AT if Epic ever returns.
but now we are drifting off topic.........
Oh I totally agree about the model size. I'd gladly sacrifice a bunch of detail if the models were about 65% the size they are now. As it is I need one hell of a huge case to transport just half of my models. I keep buying bigger and bigger Rubbermaid tubs from Walmart as my AT collection grows and I don't know how to pack them short of just buying a roll of bubble wrap.
Edited to add: One thing I'd really love to see Forgeworld do are a few vehicles or infantry as decorative terrain pieces to scatter around the board. Wrecked tanks, abandoned civilian vehicles and things of that nature. Currently it's a bit hard to get a sense of exactly how big the AT titans are because things like doors are tucked away out of sight. I experimented with a few old Micro Machines vehicles that were about the right scale--leaving them parked on the street as if abandoned--and it really helped to convey the scale of the AT models.
well, FW did show off this train last year, hopefully it comes this year and that it is the first of many non building terrain kits for AT.
They also do a range of scale railway track, which is an absolute god-send for anyone wanting a railway for their AT/Epic boards - only alternatives up to now have been either TT scale (which I think is a bit large - certainly the trains) and (I think) Japan-only Z scale, which is super expensive.
on a different note, i think i finaly found some inspiration to remove the skrinkwrap from my warlord.
after beeing stuck on a box of cerastus for months cuz i selected yellow details on one of them that sucks out all will to paint AT, legio Crusius looks realy good to me. allso i havent painted blue models in many years.
Adding left over pieces from a Warhound kit to a scratch-built frame and its really looking the part now. Defintely a traitor and I'm giving him a pair of flame cannons for that "terrorize the civilians" kind of vibe.
The rear engines are the only challenge left and will probably end up looking boxy. I'm thinking of shoulder flags similar to the 90s Warhounds to counter this, while having a burning building to do the same for the feet.
I'm wondering about painting him as a Mortis hound, using red to highlight the better GW pieces and the scratch-pieces would be a less obvious black or very dark grey.
SamusDrake wrote: Good work on the Cerastus! Minimal but very effective colour schemes.
Is the top blue Knight from house Mamaragon?
Nope, that one was painted in march long before i saw the artwork that is in the latest book.
The lamp on my desk changed the actual tone a bit on both models to the brighter. yellow is in reality dark yellow and blue is in reality turquoise.
I found simple and minimal paintjobs to be an ok result for the table for this game if you do it neatly, and i paint the colors that i feel comfy with. In terms of "background", with so mutch devestation in the conflicts there is bound to be sole surviving units/titans and i gather them up in my "reserve maniple".
Why are you not getting any more? Those look great.
thanks.
mainly, dont like the models. they are allmoust as tall as a warhound.... i expected them to be the same size as the Questoris, plus im a bit done with knights now. i want to do some titans.
and that puts the upcoming Acastus in a wierd spot. as tall as a warhound and moust likely same base as the hound, yet it is a knight........
how can something that is in the same size range be a knight and not a titan? (hound is scale 6, acastus is scale 5...)
Why are you not getting any more? Those look great.
thanks.
mainly, dont like the models. they are allmoust as tall as a warhound.... i expected them to be the same size as the Questoris, plus im a bit done with knights now. i want to do some titans.
and that puts the upcoming Acastus in a wierd spot. as tall as a warhound and moust likely same base as the hound, yet it is a knight........
how can something that is in the same size range be a knight and not a titan? (hound is scale 6, acastus is scale 5...)
It makes more sense when you compare the Acastus to the Cerastus, rather than to the Warhound. While those Knights are just about the same height as the Warhound, they don't have the same build. If one leaves off the amour and armament for the Acastus and Warhound...I'll make a guess and say that the frame of the Warhound would be bigger, being wider and with more length from engine to snout.
I'm assuming that the sprue of the Acastus is the same size as the previous Knights and will sell for £20 each, which is half the price of a set of two Warhounds. I'd say if you pit them against each other that both would suffer serious damage, with the Warhound winning by attrition alone( he can repair his structure and shields ) and would probably destroy the Acastus.
On the other hand, an Acastus/Warhound team would be a force to be reckoned with! Where the Warhound deals with shield removal and pest-control( enemy knights ), the Acastus could provide the killing punch.
SamusDrake wrote: On the other hand, an Acastus/Warhound team would be a force to be reckoned with! Where the Warhound deals with shield removal and pest-control( enemy knights ), the Acastus could provide the killing punch.
As an Audax player who uses the Lupercal maniple exclusively, I have trouble seeing how a gunline Knight fits in. I can't gunline...I have to win with movement, and in that context I mostly need my Knights to play the skirmisher role.
I know you're not talking about my specific situation, but I think some of the logic still holds if you're fielding heavier Titans. Why not bring the boom with the heavy Titans and use Knights to get in the way and run stuff down? To me, the Acastus mainly makes sense in the context of an all-Knights force, providing more firepower than the other varieties. But maybe I'm not theoryhammering it properly. *shrug*
You are correct, Gorgon, yet as a Maniple can have Knight support, a Lance can have Titan support. Given the lower point cost, and their speed, the Warhound could be a popular choice for Household players.
As much as I love the knights, I would still turn up to the table with at least one Titan in the group.
Been working on my Knight household Seneschal as I wait for my boxes of Questoris and Cerastus knights to arrive. That's a Runefang from a Fantasy general that I shaved his hand off and kept for a special project someday, I used a right shield hand and this will count as a lance.
My updated list before the Acastus Knights are released:
2000pts:
Freeblade Banner of Questoris Knights (fills out points)
Iron Butterfly (battlecannon/Gatling)
Highlander (battlecannon/sword) [THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE]
Emerald Lancer (thermal cannon/CCW)
Shadow Thief (dual CCW, meltagun)
Went with the Plasma for the extra weapons (already got two sets of Lasers). And going to tap up a friend that works near WW, see if I can get the new dakka.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Particularly looking forward to knocking Titan's off their arc of fire.
Sure, there's an element of luck there (2/3 chance of turning them is no guarantee, natch) - but man, the right shot to the right target at the right time, and it could be game winning. Spesh if I've got other Titans creeping up for the kill shots. Or indeed Knights.
Well I bought four warlords before the sprues came out, I 3D printed my own quake cannons and converted my macro Gatlings from 40k bits. $25 plus shipping for titan guns my ass...
So I’m totally consumed with doing a knight household list and I’m getting bogged down with trying to make them all individual. I’m the slowest hobbyist on earth.
Fajita Fan wrote: Well I bought four warlords before the sprues came out, I 3D printed my own quake cannons and converted my macro Gatlings from 40k bits. $25 plus shipping for titan guns my ass...
So I’m totally consumed with doing a knight household list and I’m getting bogged down with trying to make them all individual. I’m the slowest hobbyist on earth.
yea but that is a good thing, cuz it gives you time to reflect on your ideas.
a few times i had an idea, but lacked materials/paint to go true it, woke up next day and in doubt of the idea i had last evning.
you need to find that right balance of not over complicating your knight conversions, and you are IMO on the right path with what you showed off last page. simple wep/head swap is usualy enugh to make your stuff stand out.
i dont own a 3d printer nor do i know any1 that does, nor do i have a bit box, so sadly i have to bite the FW bullet for that quake cannon eventualy...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: All these people with their gorgeous paintjobs and 3D printed conversions. And tosspot here can’t even pick a sodding Legio!
Defo traitor. That much I know!
Maybe that’s the trouble with having deepish pockets. Don’t need to pick a Legio to maximise a stricter budget. I just keep on buying!
Silly me!
Give it time. Moust likely many books to come, and somwhere there, is your legio. I dident find mine until Molech, Legio Crucius, even found my future maniple in there, Fortis.
Fajita Fan wrote: Well I bought four warlords before the sprues came out, I 3D printed my own quake cannons and converted my macro Gatlings from 40k bits. $25 plus shipping for titan guns my ass...
So I’m totally consumed with doing a knight household list and I’m getting bogged down with trying to make them all individual. I’m the slowest hobbyist on earth.
What did you use to convert the macro gatling? I've been throwing ideas around but haven't come up with anything satisfying yet. And sadly i'm too poor for a 3d printer
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: All these people with their gorgeous paintjobs and 3D printed conversions. And tosspot here can’t even pick a sodding Legio!
Defo traitor. That much I know!
Maybe that’s the trouble with having deepish pockets. Don’t need to pick a Legio to maximise a stricter budget. I just keep on buying!
Silly me!
I know what you mean. (Well, not the deep pockets bit... ) I got stuck on which Legio to choose for a long while. It didn't help that there's barely any fluff for them. I had high hopes for Solaria, but we got about a teaspoonful...
Eventually I decided to go the following route:
Loyalists - Paint 'em all up to match my existing Epic Imperial Guard army and Titans. That means hive world camouflage, i.e. dark red. (Sssh. It makes perfect sense.) Even the Knights will get the same treatment. I shall use whatever Legio rules seem fun at the time and call them Legio Generica.
Traitors - A mix 'n' match of different Legios, on the assumption that they're all renegades and sole survivors that have banded together. That way I can paint each Titan in a unique scheme and hint at Chaotic-aligned colour schemes into the bargain. For instance, the Reaver with the chainfist will be Legio Vulpa, 'cos they look and sound kinda sorta proto-Khornate. I'll try to put a unifying colour on each model, probably on the Traitor-eye shoulder pad, to tie the whole force together. If I want to use a particular Legio ruleset, I can just nominate the Titan with that particular colour scheme as the leader of the force. It should work... in theory.
In other news, I recently picked up a Cerastus Knights box and really like the models--much more than I expected to. They're tall, all right, but that makes it much easier to believe that they could take on a Titan in melee. With the Questoris I'm always tempted to house-rule that they can't hit anything above a Titan's kneecaps. The Cerastus Lancers, though? I could see them skewering a Warlord under the jaw like brave hunters taking on a mammoth.
As for scratch-built Titan weapons, I managed to make a couple for my Reavers: a passable multiple-rocket-launchery thing out of a 40K drop pod's missile pack (will probably count as a mega-bolter), and a poor man's Warp missile out of an old 2nd ed hunter-killer tank missile box (the oblong one). I'm quite happy to play counts-as with Titan guns rather than WYSIWYG, though. Especially since I made the mistake of gluing the Apoc Launcher to the carapace of my first Reaver. D'oh.
Fajita Fan wrote: Well I bought four warlords before the sprues came out, I 3D printed my own quake cannons and converted my macro Gatlings from 40k bits. $25 plus shipping for titan guns my ass...
So I’m totally consumed with doing a knight household list and I’m getting bogged down with trying to make them all individual. I’m the slowest hobbyist on earth.
What did you use to convert the macro gatling? I've been throwing ideas around but haven't come up with anything satisfying yet. And sadly i'm too poor for a 3d printer
First where are you? Check your local public library, I work in one and we have 3d printers available to the public - people just have to submit the file online. No guarantee that it's super detailed but it'll be close enough if you keep the color scheme simple.
For the body of my macro gatlings I used a 3d printed piece that was meant for a Questoris Knight conversion which I found online and scaled down. The barrels are from plastic Contemptor assault cannons that work really well at this scale, I also salvaged the arms and ammo boxes. I found models of laserblasters, megabolters, and plasma cannons last fall to 3d print as well, they came out pretty decent but still have the obvious groves from an FDM printer.
I did a bunch of conversions for my Reavers too including scratchbuilt meltas made from Contemptor meltas and IG heavy flamers. The warp missile is an IG hunter killer missile and my carapace turbolasers were Sentinel exhaust bits.
I just ordered my Warlord and Reaver weapons sprues now that they're back in stock so I have fully detailed weapons that match the rest of the models. I'm still keeping my custom 3d printed quake cannons and macro gatlings from months ago because $25 each plus shipping for Forgeworld resin I'm mostly likely going to have to straighten out in hot water is a little steep. If they had squeezed them into the weapon sprue instead of extra armor panels I don't want I'd be much happier.
Ordered me the FW Dakka last night, when both were in stock. Quake Cannon is since out of stock already!
Guess peeps really want some ranged Concussive. And I can very much understand why.
if thats the case then they are quite litteraly flying out of the shop.
i checked it 2 days ago, not in stock. now, not in stock. if you found them in stock yesterday then they sold out in under 24H.
I’m wondering if the ones I snaffled were stock left over from Warhammerfest.
Was told a couple of years ago that stock for shows and stuff is assigned and picked some time in advance. Info from a FW staffer at Salute 2017. It came up because they had Legion Dice on sale, which had been out of stock for a couple of months. And yes, I did loot them, and get them to deserving peeps
Automatically Appended Next Post: And now ordered a Civitas Administratum set.
Before I go any further... Can I ask what the group's thoughts on this color scheme? I'm really pleased with how the individual colors have come out but am not sure about how they work together!
For some reason the only Legio I can find with orange as the predominant color is Legio Magma about whom nobody seems to have written anything other than they are damn heretics...
Is there something about orange that just doesn't work with Titanicus? I keep looking at it and cannot make up my mind!
hard to say, could be the brightness and that it is a bit hard to find a 2nd colour that matches that is the reason to why you dont see any "official" orange artwork yet.
bright coloured titan allso realy stand out (i have a hound in red/silver, it looks like a flashlight)
as for your example, perhaps adding some hazard stripes over the orange would help?
@Fajita
looks ok to me, perhaps try and make one with a flail weapon if you are going to continue the "knight" style?
and how many knighs are you planning to have??
Orange can look nice when paired with white or black. You may not find a lot of AT scale titans painted orange as a reference but look for 40k scale knights painted orange - there are a ton out there to give you an idea of how they’ll look.
I’ve got some flail bits ready to go. I have enough sprues to do a whole household list:
4 Freeblade Questoris Knights
The Last Highlander of Caledonia (Gatling/melee)
The Shadow Thief (Dual melee)
The Iron Butterfly (Battlecannon/gatling)
The Emerald Lancer (Thermal cannon/melee)
I’m thinking of moving some stuff around and adding in some more Gatling guns for shield breaking to prepare for the dedicated ranged Acastus knights where ever they’re released.
SamusDrake wrote: Fajita Fan, I notice you have four banners in your Senechal Lance. Does this mean the "3 banners in a lance" is a minimum rather than a hard rule?
It means their list has an error in it, as three Banners a Lance is a hard rule.
EDIT: never mind, I read wrong. There are only three Banners in there, the way Seneschal's banner is written open just made it look like a fourth one. All correct there.
I’m ditching the Gatling on one of the freeblades for a thermal or battle cannon. I’ve also made one dual Gatling gun for a Cerastus Knight in the last banner but I’m not convinced it’s worth it over the shields.
This is largely a modeling project anyway so it’s all good until the Acastus knights are released and they’ll displace some Questoris Knights. I also have a few ideas for Cerastus freeblades.
Looking at what Questoris I currently have( two packs, six Knights ), I might just get another pack of Qs and have the following "Traitor" battlegroup...
3x Battle cannon( contains the main-man, Senechal or High Scion )
3x Avenger cannon
3x Thermal cannon
1 Warhound( 2x flame cannons, support )
...although the two banners are different colour schemes( black & gold, dark-grey & silver ), I'm thinking of using the ones from the first banner as Lord Scions and the rest as Martials.
In hindsight, it would have been better if they had released a discounted "Lance" set of 3 Questoris and 1 Cerastus sprues to coincide with the release of Doom Of Molech. That way, out of the box, we would have had a Questoris Lance with Cerastus Freeblades. Not only could we have saved a little money, but also the guess work of what( and how many ) knights we actually needed. All we got was "with the release of Doom of Molech around the corner, make sure to stock up on your Knights!".
Anyway, whinging aside, I've only got to spend £16 to finish the Lance and Its worked out well.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Have started a FB group chat for AT players in the Royal Tunbridge Wells area.
Long shot I know, but if anyone on here is localish, and fancies a game now and again, and you use FB, let me know.
Yes. Yes it is called Tunbridge Wells Adeptus Titanicus. Because of course it is!
Good lord - I used to live in Sevenoaks many moons ago. Used to frequent the Odeon on the Tunny-wells business park...very fond memories!
Shame I moved to Suffolk as I would have taken you up on your offer.
Ah, thats a shame. Being more than a decade ago, the staff at the Odeon were always nice and helpful. If you were working back then, then I must thank you for good service.
The Cineworld at Bury St Edmunds is nice enough but I do miss that Odeon. Last visit was to see Clint Eastwood's Gran Torino and...ah, I miss Kent.
