Zoids and Power Rangers toys might be a place to look too. The shield/blade liger is the star of Zoids so it should be relatively common but I have no idea about scale. I expect that OG PR toys are going to be hard to get ahold of but somewhere out there is a warehouse full of unsold toys for the second first power rangers movie from a few years ago…
Crablezworth, I especially like the work you've put into that Engine War scenario. The lack of scenarios that aren't in-depth historical ones has been annoying me for a while now.
OK princepses and princeps...esses?... I have a modelling question.
I've got a half-finished maniple for Solaria sitting in a box. The project stalled because I wanted to replace the Warhounds' robo-dog heads with robo-cat ones. Lion, sabre-tooth tiger, that kind of thing.
I was hoping to use the heads off Voltron toys, but they turned out too big. (They might work for a Warlord or Warbringer, though, if anyone wants to steal that idea.)
Any suggestions on suitable models? Wargaming minis, toys, anything?
Yes, I know the AdMech would disapprove of such blatant cat-goddess worship. Sssh.
Thanks, glad to see engine war catch on hopefully gonna update it soon to fix a few errors and clean things up a bit.
There was someone in one of the facebook groups that replaced the warhound heads with more fox looking ones, the group is called "adeptus titanicus, e[ic (all editions), and aeronautica imperialis group" quite the mouthful lol. But ya if you join it and scroll down there's shots of the fox heads and a cool reaver with a custom head.
Thanks guys!
You are too kind!
That gif is oddly satisfying.
Flinty wrote:Need a 4th for the quartet
And tiny straw boaters!
Also, paint job looks great
Thanks dude!
The next model in the maniple is a reaver with a reaver fist - Clearly to hold a cane while tipping that straw-boater at the line of void sheild harmonising barberhounds...
..It's obvious when i consider it now
I have to hand it to you Crabblesworth, that is some sweet AT terrain - that really is how it should be done right there.
We had a blast last weekend, playing a version of the Titandeath scenario with some 6000 points of Astorum / Defensor assailants rushing Favilla's 5000 point line. Report and much more in the blog!
Set to work on finalising a revised household force, and ordered a new set of Questoris to make some scions and a senechal. I doubt they will give the gauntlet and chainsword separate rules, so to help identify the big cheeses in the lance I shall give them gauntlets, and the marshals chainswords.
Was considering the new cerastus but I have a nagging feeling they will be in some discount battleforce set at christmas, and should hold off until then.
Was considering the new cerastus but I have a nagging feeling they will be in some discount battleforce set at christmas, and should hold off until then.
I missed out on last years knight box so I'm keen on what there'll be this year.
Yeah, its hard to say if we'll even have one this year but I got caught out twice before.
Been thinking a lot on it lately, and I'm wondering if they have one more suprise in store for us around October. At the moment such a set could either be...
A) Warbringer, Sunfury Warlord & Cerastus variants.
B) All three plastic terrain sets so far...
C) Warbringer, Cerastus variants....Rapier titans?
D) Cerastus variants, Magaera or Atropos and a Warbringer for support.
...or...just maybe...
E) Nothing at all.
...even if its nothing at all, there is always that new starter set...
MongooseMatt wrote: Managed to motivate myself to build and paint another Warlord. Tech-Priest Humphrey Appleby described my choice of weapons as 'courageous'.
The rare 'teamwork focused' warlord - he's no glory hogging kill stealer! he's the set-up man, the heavy; breaking cover, taking the hits and applying the lanchester square rule!!
Oh man, can you imagine? Master & Hounds Maniple:
Compulsory: 1 Warlord, 2 Warhounds
Optional: up to 4 more Warhounds
Maniple Rule: the Warlord receives +2 to command checks to go on First Fire or Split Fire orders but must target enemies the Warhounds have line of sight to.
The Warhounds may form one or two squadrons with up to four members each.
If the Warhounds form two squadrons, the warlord may pre-measure all ranges and firing arcs for enemy models visible to at least one Warhound from each squadron.
Racerguy180 wrote: I prefer the Lucius armour over the Mars pattern. Squared off looks good on the Warhound.
It seems like it has more shield projectors too, there's room for 4 instead of two the mars. Definitely looks beefier in terms of taking a hit.
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SamusDrake wrote: There is a certain charm to the Lucius as It fits in well with the "modern" space marine aesthetic.
Personally I was rather fond of the classic hound design where the weapons hung vertically at the sides.
It'll just be nice to have a warhound that sorta stands out from my other two, I might try equipping the body with ablative ceramite armour from the ryza book so its a bit more resilient.
It'll just be nice to have a warhound that sorta stands out from my other two, I might try equipping the body with ablative ceramite armour from the ryza book so its a bit more resilient.
Indeed, as a different paint job can only stretch so far.
Its actually worth looking at scratch-built 40K titans, as the Lucius seems the most simple one to build with its angular design. Could be a fun project at Titanicus scale.
It'll just be nice to have a warhound that sorta stands out from my other two, I might try equipping the body with ablative ceramite armour from the ryza book so its a bit more resilient.
Indeed, as a different paint job can only stretch so far.
Yeah I have that problem with my warhounds, I try to differentiate by inverting the weaponry but I sometimes screw up and adjust the wrong warhound's command terminal. I gotta label those things eventually.
It'll just be nice to have a warhound that sorta stands out from my other two, I might try equipping the body with ablative ceramite armour from the ryza book so its a bit more resilient.
Indeed, as a different paint job can only stretch so far.
Yeah I have that problem with my warhounds, I try to differentiate by inverting the weaponry but I sometimes screw up and adjust the wrong warhound's command terminal. I gotta label those things eventually.
Naming your engines is always helpful. I have names on the bases and little paper scrolls on the terminals, as well as equipping similar engines in inverted arms. Varying flags, banners, arranging terminals by maniples and such also makes it easier to remember who goes where.
Sherrypie wrote: Naming your engines is always helpful. I have names on the bases and little paper scrolls on the terminals, as well as equipping similar engines in inverted arms. Varying flags, banners, arranging terminals by maniples and such also makes it easier to remember who goes where.
Yeah flags/banners seems like a good idea. I've been arranging my maniple, definitely gonna label the command terminals.
MongooseMatt wrote: Managed to motivate myself to build and paint another Warlord. Tech-Priest Humphrey Appleby described my choice of weapons as 'courageous'.
Props for both the Warlord and for the Yes Minister reference!
Crablezworth - nice to see a Lucius hound, I look forward to seeing it painted.
Since last posting, I've painted a pair of Porphyrions for my House Lakar -
And I've got a pair of Warlords that are most of the way towards being ready to join Legio Metalica. The armour panels are just blu-tacked on in that photo, and still needs decals, weathering and basing. I've paused the Warlords at that point because I've got two more to do, and I'd like to get the other two to the same state so that I can mix and match between 4 warlords' worth of panels when I'm picking the combinations to glue them in. That's mainly motivated because I feel it gives me a better chance of coming up with at least one combination that I love that I can use as the template for my full size Warlord. I also need to pick up at least one Warlord gatling blaster because I've got the full size version so I need one if I want one of the little warlords to match the big one.
Very nice, I love the race car look on the knights. As a bit of an oddity though, are their bases finished? It looks like they're weathered darker, but stride on a very light coloured sand, which clashes a bit.
Sherrypie wrote: Very nice, I love the race car look on the knights. As a bit of an oddity though, are their bases finished? It looks like they're weathered darker, but stride on a very light coloured sand, which clashes a bit.
Thanks. The bases, I'm a little bit undecided as to whether darken them slightly with a wash. The main weathering powder is about the same tone as the basing material, but I've included a bit of rust pigment as well that I think has darkened it somewhat. So yeah, I may wash the base and possibly go over with some more of the lighter powder, since the varnish dialled it back a bit from where I had it.
Got burned out completely over a year ago, got rid of my unfinished titans. Thought i would try a new but this time whit a knight household, but what knights to add in what loadout?
If i understand the rules right i have to have the same loadout so, whatworks agasint titans and waht works agasint knights?
(and yes i will be adding 1 warhound and 1 acastus as support units)
In a Lance, knights have to have identical armament within a single Banner. As the Lance Banners have to move pretty close to each other, you're better off equipping all models in a Lance for a similar duty because of positioning and the ease of giving similar Orders to whole Lances at a time.
Knights in general are more dangerous in melee range. Cerastus lancers are a safe bet for quick assault units that can bring the pain when they connect, but Questoris groups with thermal cannons are also pretty nasty if they get close to you. It is also worth mentioning that Household armies will be swimming in stratagems, but they are weaker than what titan legios get.
You might want to test various setups out, but a suicidal rush to melee is a good starting point against both knights and titans. Just expect to die all day long, both on the way in as well as under the foes you manage to fell
Just expect to die all day long, both on the way in as well as under the foes you manage to fell
Yea i expect that.
So, 2 cerastus and 1 questoris lance sounds as a fair start point?
I see there is 2 version of cerstus now, any one better then the other or is its personal preference?
I would consider carefully when going with households. Here's some tips...
1) Lances are essentially a super-banner made up of 3 banners. In a nutshell these banners move together as one, and need to be within 6" of each other. Due to their speed differences its best to have all three banners the same type - ex. 3 banners of Questoris.
2) You can only take Questoris or Cerastus as part of a lance. Acastus are support only, and can only take one banner per lance.
3) All knights in a banner must be equiped the same. Example; 3 Questoris with each Avenger cannons and melee weapon. You may choose whatever upgrades you like.
4) Your primary lance must be led by the Senechal. The knights under his banner may choose different weapons but will not be able to use the coordinated strike order.
5) You can take both freeblade knights and titans as support. You have it nailed by the looks of things.
...given the time again, I would have gone with a lance of cerastus instead of questoris. In the long run they are cheaper, no mucking around with loadouts and play to the strengths of knights - striking fast and hard, before being blown to pieces by heavy artilary weapons. The Castigator bolt cannon could be better but is still effective for stripping void shields, but don't bother with them as support.
SamusDrake wrote: The Castigator bolt cannon could be better but is still effective for stripping void shields, but don't bother with them as support.
Only under Coordinated Fire, mind. Normally their Str 3 cannot hurt voids at all.
Castigators and Avenger armed Questorii are interesting in that they are a bit clunkier to use because of the initial hurdle of getting above Str 3, but can do a number on an injured machine later on (or by sneaking under them shields from behind).
Only under Coordinated Fire, mind. Normally their Str 3 cannot hurt voids at all.
Its worth clarifying at this point that the coordinated fire order is only available to lance banners.
They are indeed good for outflanking titans, but the challenge is getting them that far. That said, if smaller titans such as the Armiger are introduced then I would assume they would inflict horrendous losses on them.
Sherrypie wrote: I like it! It looks suitably weird with that alien pyramid thing there as well as lively because of all the little details like the landing craft.
I feel like horus or the dark mechanicum want whats inside the pyramid real bad.
Speaking of world building, the printer who did the pyramid also has commercial license for this bad boy:
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I wanna do a AT scale planet express. Might even paint aquila landers blue like the ship. Seems like it all needs to be scaled down from 28mm. I just want it big enough to block a bit of los for titans. The landing pad I believe is more tau but I like the elevated nature of it. It'd be cool to have the arvus lighter on it with some infantry.
Another Questoris kit has arrived in the post and now working on removing pieces from the sprues. Torn between what I need and would like to do with the kit components, so bluestuff and magnets are on the slate.
Beyond frustrated with the Acastus situation, so I've sent GW an email to ask them to relax the auxiliary banner rule. The suggestion is that just one lance in a household be allowed to take a maximum of three Acastus knights, instead of the auxiliary support banner. I'd rather they scrap the rule altogether but something like that would be welcome.
SamusDrake wrote: Another Questoris kit has arrived in the post and now working on removing pieces from the sprues. Torn between what I need and would like to do with the kit components, so bluestuff and magnets are on the slate.
Beyond frustrated with the Acastus situation, so I've sent GW an email to ask them to relax the auxiliary banner rule. The suggestion is that just one lance in a household be allowed to take a maximum of three Acastus knights, instead of the auxiliary support banner. I'd rather they scrap the rule altogether but something like that would be welcome.
Add to the fact that they're still selling the cards with mistakes on them cuz f the consumer, but not just that, they're still selling the cards in sets of 5 no less.
So I got the lucius pattern warlord and warhound mostly done. Still more work on the warlord, gonna add some more decals and more metal work. Also waiting on magnets so the left arm is the mars pattern for now. Really stoked with this thing, it's been a dream to have a model of a lucius warlord ever since reading abnett's titanicus.
Had a blast playing Assault on the Fortress from the Ryza book, agressive vanguard maniples of Favilla climbing out of the slick, oily seas in waves to crash Astorum's repair depot. Great scenario, can recommend.
First wave emerges and takes the brunt of the defenders' fire, smashing in their midst.
Iudex Ultionis reaps a hefty tally with its power claw (powered by being swapped into a Ferrox maniple for those sweet almost guaranteed Critical Hits), ripping through both one of the repair cradle objectives and both princeps senioris of the defenders' maniples before being brought down by the deaththroes of the enemy commander.
After six turns of incessant slaughter, the only remaining Astorum engine is a plucky Warhound that has miraculously survived the carnage of two Warlords double-KO'ing each other above it. At this point it had been running red hot for two turns, though, and as if giving up on life after the second cradle finally fell, it blew up to its own leaking reactor.
The midfield around the second objective got flattened out pretty thoroughly in the fireworks. This field of debris is the grave of at least four Hounds, a Reaver, a Warlord and what not.
But yeah, assembled a Scion for a lance banner of "avengers". Gave him the skull head and a thunderstrike gauntlet, and a "crotch banner". Always groan when faced with endless Questoris to assemble, but really happy with the way he turned out...quite literally a badass.
Will have a lot of left over pieces from the kit so maybe an orc stompa side-project is in order!
But yeah, assembled a Scion for a lance banner of "avengers". Gave him the skull head and a thunderstrike gauntlet, and a "crotch banner". Always groan when faced with endless Questoris to assemble, but really happy with the way he turned out...quite literally a badass.
Will have a lot of left over pieces from the kit so maybe an orc stompa side-project is in order!
Dakka has a gallery you can upload to and link photos.
Good to have the household gathered but so much work left to do. Little more assembly( missing armour and shields ), LOTS of painting, and obviously the bases.
Will be moving onto a third battle force after this one, which will be an all-titan, traitor force. Already got a "spare" Warhound to kick things off and could really do with a new scout titan soon. If not, it'll have to be an-all hound team.
New Board Setup. Made a long rambling video about it. TL;DR: I figuered out after much thought that 5 inch spacing pretty much makes the table flow really well in terms of titan maneuvering around blocking terrain. Also gonna try and keep a diamond patterns to the road layouts, mostly because titans can move forward anywhere in their front arc and that flows better than roads/paths/fire lands that are paralell to the board edges. That's the biggest problem I have with the forge world AT boards, they're sorta unplayable in some ways in terms of spacing for warlords. Anyway. Lotsa pics, spent about 2 hours setting up the board.
Well, they aren't getting much more in terms of sales out of me until that happens. I'm set with my Legio Audax until Rapiers arrive. My adversary Legio (Praesagius) is bought and subassemblies are completed...just needs painting. I have enough Knights, and MORE variants aren't going to move the needle. I have enough terrain for more than table. So.
To be fair, we did get a pretty big release with S&I...it just feels like a full year ago because COVID. Then again, that release is still missing cards and transfer sheets. Who know when or if with those.
Crablezworth wrote: I'm trying to envision how a rapier would be different than warhound, like still 2 weapons but weaker stats? Faster instead? 60mm base?
Look at the Slaanesh Subjugator and imagine that it was built by the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Single-barrelled turbolasers, actual close combat weapons, lighter, faster and possibly just one void.
Crablezworth wrote: I'm trying to envision how a rapier would be different than warhound, like still 2 weapons but weaker stats? Faster instead? 60mm base?
Look at the Slaanesh Subjugator and imagine that it was built by the Adeptus Mechanicus.
Single-barrelled turbolasers, actual close combat weapons, lighter, faster and possibly just one void.
Interesting, hoping it has more than one void, the knight command terminals already feel a bit silly only having one track. I wonder if they'll be other options to swap out for the turbolasers and or different cc weapons.
sweet conversion of the slanesh ones you mentioned, if its a mechanicus version of this hell ya!
I would LOVE for my Audax to have a CC Titan option. I field Cerastus Lancers to fill that void, but yeah...would love to put more choppy speed on the field. People equate Audax with the World Eaters berzerker trope, but they can't actually field melee weapons outside of Knight banners. Vulpa, on the other hand...
Sadly we can't have that outside Vulpa anymore, as War Chest is no longer a custom legio option. Not that those kicks don't still hurt when Ferrox doggos go for the throat, but it's that much harder to get reliable Criticals in now ;P
My buddy printed me some fortress walls and some repair vehicles and my vanguard order arrived so I added some princeps and servitors them. Can't wait to get these painted.
Crablezworth wrote: My buddy printed me some fortress walls and some repair vehicles and my vanguard order arrived so I added some princeps and servitors them. Can't wait to get these painted.
Yessir I do believe it's a scaled 1:285th of that. I think 4 make a full fortress. I wanted it small, but so 1:285th might not be correct, I know the normal scale can fit like a super heavy
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well I whipped together a little AT intro for the channel, this one's extended, gonna shorten it. Tiger Eyes vs Iron Spiders.
So me and my buddy wanted to try and do a battle report each using only what's in the starter box. We managed to make 1300 points lists each, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds and 2 lancers. It was a damn good game, legio fureans "tiger eyes" vs legio venator "iron spiders".
Only managed to record 4 of 6 turns before the card ran out of memory so we had to sorta jumpt from the end of turn 4 to the end of turn 6 and sorta summarize the end game. We're use to doing battle report for 30k, where it's about 5-6 turns usually so fairly manageable but with at's alternating activation it made it a bit hard to shoot everything, so we sorta had to abridge a bit of the phases and just explain what happened.
We're playing the engine war scenario, it's an entry level matched play scenario we cooked up to help get people into the game. Our current selling point to friends and acquaintance's are that unlike the commitment of a lot of games, AT actually is quite affordable. Only need a handful of models and realistically the starter box really is an battlegroup in a box. A lot of gamers are bit more intimidated by more historical style games so if we can give potential new players a sorta 1 page scenario that's very straight forward, you're basically just fighting over objectives, the hope is more people will bite the bullet and paint up a battlegroup of their own.
Maybe record in two parts, going forward? Part one for introduction and the first two or three rounds, then part two for the remaining rounds and the conclusion.
Regardless its great to see gamers having a good time.
Maybe record in two parts, going forward? Part one for introduction and the first two or three rounds, then part two for the remaining rounds and the conclusion.
Regardless its great to see gamers having a good time.
Don't plan on doing anymore going forward, or at least very rately. I find it's impossible to document with video and play, too many alternating activations. I think we're just gonna take pics for games, less disruptive to the flow of the game and either players ability to think, video just makes it too hard to enjoy the game.
SamusDrake wrote: Ah, thats fair play mate. Video editing is hard graft.
All the same, it was nice of you to treat us.
We'll defintately be doing AT videos, just likely more modelling projects/terrain or just game discussion/tactica stuff. I'm definitely gonna do a video highlighting all the great AT terrain out there from third parties. My buddy is also working on a jungle board, so hoping to do project logs of his process.
Our goal with the batrep is getting anyone on the fence about starting the game off the fence, with the pitch that it's one of the cheaper gw games to play and not as demanding in terms of hobby time.
So the warbringer's in the shop for some re-tooling. Belicosa volcano cannon seems like a good idea. Also magnetizing the arms so it can swap weapons with the reavers.
Quick rules question since we dont have a general topic.
If i want to make a blackshield legio(cuz i want to make a "round up the survivors" legio as i want to have every titan with different colours), what strategems can i actualy select from?
The restrictions on page 85 in the ryza boock is conflicting. I can purchase strategems from any allegiance, but i cannot buy loayalist or traitor strategems..... dont make sence unless they mean i can only use strategems from the ryza book......
FrozenDwarf wrote: Quick rules question since we dont have a general topic.
If i want to make a blackshield legio(cuz i want to make a "round up the survivors" legio as i want to have every titan with different colours), what strategems can i actualy select from?
The restrictions on page 85 in the ryza boock is conflicting. I can purchase strategems from any allegiance, but i cannot buy loayalist or traitor strategems..... dont make sence unless they mean i can only use strategems from the ryza book......
No, it only means that you cannot use allegiance specific stratagems from another allegiance. If the stratagem says "any loyalist legio", "traitor legios only" or something along those line, you cannot buy that as a blackshield. You are free to use all stratagems that make no such restrictions.
FrozenDwarf wrote: Quick rules question since we dont have a general topic.
If i want to make a blackshield legio(cuz i want to make a "round up the survivors" legio as i want to have every titan with different colours), what strategems can i actualy select from?
The restrictions on page 85 in the ryza boock is conflicting. I can purchase strategems from any allegiance, but i cannot buy loayalist or traitor strategems..... dont make sence unless they mean i can only use strategems from the ryza book......
No, it only means that you cannot use allegiance specific stratagems from another allegiance. If the stratagem says "any loyalist legio", "traitor legios only" or something along those line, you cannot buy that as a blackshield. You are free to use all stratagems that make no such restrictions.
That made it clearer, thanks.
Any maniple restrictions that i did miss? I could not find any but it could easly have gone by me as my brain is too fokused on this trait restriction stuff...
Can I ask where GW are releasing rules for new units? I've gone and bought a bunch of the new knights and while I've found the links where GW lists the command terminals, it gives the price as + weapons... and there's no price for the various weapon options, or any indication of what combinations of weapons I can take (I can figure that bit for the most part, but still..)
Where are the rules for new units being released? White Dwarf? All those splat books like Doom of Molech? Some other source?
Thanks for any help. Has this gotten other players confused?
sebster wrote: Can I ask where GW are releasing rules for new units? I've gone and bought a bunch of the new knights and while I've found the links where GW lists the command terminals, it gives the price as + weapons... and there's no price for the various weapon options, or any indication of what combinations of weapons I can take (I can figure that bit for the most part, but still..)
Where are the rules for new units being released? White Dwarf? All those splat books like Doom of Molech? Some other source?
Thanks for any help. Has this gotten other players confused?
sebster wrote: Can I ask where GW are releasing rules for new units? I've gone and bought a bunch of the new knights and while I've found the links where GW lists the command terminals, it gives the price as + weapons... and there's no price for the various weapon options, or any indication of what combinations of weapons I can take (I can figure that bit for the most part, but still..)
Where are the rules for new units being released? White Dwarf? All those splat books like Doom of Molech? Some other source?
Thanks for any help. Has this gotten other players confused?
Sherrypie wrote: The current Acastus points are in the FAQ, since the ones on the terminal were pants on head silly.
And even the faq points still seem too low given how good they are at doing what they do
Yeah, but that's mostly because the points weren't the problem in the first place. They feel off because they are simply packing guns too big for their chassis and the only fix upping their points provides is the eventual point of uselessness where they get too fragile for the points that would be fair for their firepower. They are what they are because Household lists of only knights needed something shooty that can make titans concerned for their wellbeing, but that could have been achieved by providing more guns of appropriate caliber with cheaper points than absurdly overclocked doomcannons on fewer bodies.
I play mine nerfing them to not use Blast or make Aimed shots on the rare occasion I run knights, they are still fantastically pretty models. Adorable chonky bois, these murderturtles. If someone else wants to use theirs, I'm ready to take on their full force but throw off the kid gloves in punching them to dust with all the dirty tricks
Yeah the guns seem a bit strong for their size, at least with max 2 in a battlegroup they're somewhat limited but ya axing the blast part sorta makes it weird for the asterius.
Anyone else doing some wild conversions on their Titanicus models? I've been trying to replicate the look of some old school knights and ones of my own creation so I thought I'd share them here!
The challenge is actually finding the willpower to paint them all...
Trust me on this, there is nothing that hurts the willpower more then seeing a pile of stuff to do, unless you realy like to paint.
So, do what i have started to do, hide every single model but max two and choose thouse who makes you WANT to paint them.
Then find the quickest and fastest way to paint, just to get colour on them, you can allways go back and add details and highlights and layers at a later time.
The belted one was cute, like the plastic verison of this img
New board setup, finally got the air traffic control tower done. Also finished the fortress wall. The island battle mat is really becoming one of my fav's.
Got on a bit of a painting rush, basicly cuz i had a head full of visions, so did a Reaver from sprue to finished in a week. (yea, they are Blackshield ^^)
For me that is a new all time record, but i had fun cuz i could paint it however i wanted, and that is what i did not have last time i tryed to paint these things in a unifyed way and style.
My dealer is out of Warhounds and says 3 weeks for a restock. Kinda good cuz i need the painting break (plus i dunno how long it will take for my scenery 3rd party epic scale models to arrive to complete the basing)
anyways, phone cam so quality is what it is.
At the moment I'm thinking the core ruleset, a box of warhounds and Questoris knights. The game will serve as an introductionary mission and could be the first in a narrative campaign.
The battlefield is narrow and long, and the player assumes the role of a damaged Warhound trying to make it to the other side. At some point a second Warhound will enter the battle field and give chase.
Mystery markers will be placed at certain locations and will be revealled when the Warhound gets close enough. They will reveal either a battlefield asset( modified for the mission ) or a Questoris Knight. Questoris knights will attack, most likely along with the assets.
The challenge will be repair the warhound to increase their chances of survival, and might look into a single-use repair facility model as a half-way objective.
The pursuing Warhound is at full strength and has been tasked with finishing off the player's warhound, giving the game a flavour of that movie "Behind enemy lines".
A pack of traditional playing cards will probably be the only other component required for the game...and some extra D6s to track the structure points of the individual Questoris.
Thanks to Crablezworth, and with the lockdown just announced it seems now is the right time for such a mission.
At the moment I'm thinking the core ruleset, a box of warhounds and Questoris knights. The game will serve as an introductionary mission and could be the first in a narrative campaign.
The battlefield is narrow and long, and the player assumes the role of a damaged Warhound trying to make it to the other side. At some point a second Warhound will enter the battle field and give chase.
Mystery markers will be placed at certain locations and will be revealled when the Warhound gets close enough. They will reveal either a battlefield asset( modified for the mission ) or a Questoris Knight. Questoris knights will attack, most likely along with the assets.
The challenge will be repair the warhound to increase their chances of survival, and might look into a single-use repair facility model as a half-way objective.
The pursuing Warhound is at full strength and has been tasked with finishing off the player's warhound, giving the game a flavour of that movie "Behind enemy lines".
A pack of traditional playing cards will probably be the only other component required for the game...and some extra D6s to track the structure points of the individual Questoris.
Thanks to Crablezworth, and with the lockdown just announced it seems now is the right time for such a mission.
One of the terrain rules we came up with, titans in water/ponds in the end phase reduce their heat by one, could cool for the solitaire mission, like if the wounded warhound has to boost his reactor to move further it might be enough to get him into the water.
Board area will be 50" length and 20" wide. Not considered scenery yet, but one of the three current plastic scenery sets should be plenty to work with.
The players warhound is currently set in the following state...
- the plasma reactor marker is placed in the amber position next to the red.
- void shields in the "X" slot.
- all of the markers for the head, body and legs are in the red position, but not on the critical damage tracks.
- armed with two laser destructors
- the right-arm weapon is disabled.
The set up of the board is a challenge, but conjuring up a basic plan of action...
There will be three tokens placed on the board at certain points and if the player's warhound gets close enough their content will be revealled. When revealled, the player will draw from a classic card deck containing 3 jacks and 2 aces. Drawing a jack will mean placing a Questoris knight at the marker's location, a Ace-of-hearts will be a plasma relay and Ace-of-clubs a void relay.
While the plasma and void relay are in the player's control for the duration of the game, the Questoris are not and will move towards the warhound and attack it with all available weapons. A D6 will be placed next to the Questoris models to record their structure points. To keep the game simple the Questoris are lone freeblades and will not stop until the warhound is destroyed - they are not given orders nor ever shaken.
Given the weakened state of the player's titan and the fact that its possible it could be fighting off three angry Questoris, the enemy warhound will give chase on the third turn and is armed with two vulcan mega bolters. Detecting its prey, the enemy warhound will do everything in its power to stop the player's titan from reaching the safety of their battleforce and thus will push its reactor to get into firing range.
The player must reach the far edge of the board at the beginning of the 6th turn to claim victory; any other outcome means defeat.
Obviously this all needs playtesting! Will be doing that this week and tweek where necessary. Been having thoughts for another mission; Inspired by Firefox down, I'm visualising a reaver retreating from a pair of warhounds and two banners of knights have been sent to intercept, allowing the reaver to escape. But that is for another time.
Flicking through Defence of Ryza and its pretty good. Loving the Questoris Oblitus allegiance, which allows freeblades in lance banners with a personal trait for the Senechal.
And thats it for the time being. Still chipping away at the solitaire mission but it needs a lot more work. Going to give it another play tonight and see how it goes.
And he is done.
Bad light and all, but he is too big for my workstation where i have good light......
Of all 3 classes, for me he was the easiest to both assemble and paint, but at the same time the moust time consumsing due to the sheer size.
Bad thing is, i kinda want one more for mid field plasma/gatling carnage....... but i have a reaver and 2 hounds that needs to be done before that at some point.
The damaged warhound mission was alright as a tutorial mission. The difficulty was deciding on whether the pursuing Warhound enters the area on turn 3 or 4, as on turn three the "fugitive" is guaranteed to be wiped out, while if on turn four the player is home free. Next game we shall add another knight card to the deck and see how that goes.
Quite inspired by the Epic report in another thread with an Ork Gargant on its merry way to flatten an imperial base. Of course! The Battle of Hoth! Begun jotting down ideas for a heroic last stand by three Questoris to slow the unstoppable advance of a Reaver. With the same narrow-long battle field, the reaver owns the field but maybe with enough scenery the knights can dash past and out flank it. The reaver is packing a lot of punch, so for the moment its a gatling cannon, power fist and missile launcher. The Missile launcher will be the main threat starting off, the gatling gun as they close the distance, and then finally the power claw. Battlefield assets are sure to be useful once again.
Solo missions aren't going to be as substantial as a proper mission between players, but I've thought about the old Desert Strike game where a single titan explores a large square board with a few areas of interest, and guardian units have to stay within those areas - they can't just follow the player's unit around the board. I like the idea of facilities that if liberated the player can change the titan's loadout, recover its shields, or even repair damage. Unlike Desert Strike the player isn't obliged to complete all the mission goals but to at least accomplish one or two, and gain as many points as possible.
Damn, gotta love game design! Speaking of Desert Strike, are there any Aeronautica aircraft that are comparable to a helicopter?
SamusDrake wrote: Still banging away at the solo missions...
Solo missions aren't going to be as substantial as a proper mission between players, but I've thought about the old Desert Strike game where a single titan explores a large square board with a few areas of interest, and guardian units have to stay within those areas - they can't just follow the player's unit around the board. I like the idea of facilities that if liberated the player can change the titan's loadout, recover its shields, or even repair damage. Unlike Desert Strike the player isn't obliged to complete all the mission goals but to at least accomplish one or two, and gain as many points as possible.
That's such a cool idea.
Can I ask where you are getting the rules for solo missions?
Damn, gotta love game design! Speaking of Desert Strike, are there any Aeronautica aircraft that are comparable to a helicopter?
visualy speaking , aka a rotorblade aircraft, no.
Role speaking, yes.
You have the Valkyrie that is a VTOL that functions as both ground support gunship and a transport plane for airborne combat regiments.
Normal troop carry/light ground support was the valkyrie with a carry capasity of 12 guardsmen, the vendetta is the anti tank/troop transport configuration, while the vulture is a dedicated gunship with 0 transport capability.
Finally there is the sky talon version for light vehicles and cargo transport.
While i dont know of any lore background sources that say these planes did not exist in HH, AI did exist in and before HH, just under a different name and under one single organisation: Armada Imperialis as a part of the Imperial Army.
All of them expect the sky talon exists as 8mm models for the AI game.
Can I ask where you are getting the rules for solo missions?
Cheers, Pacific.
I'm writing them from scratch. To cut a long story short I enjoy creating games as well as playing them.
My brother and I found Titanicus frustrating at first with the lack of releases and homebrewed a smaller mode where each player takes a group of knights each, either led by a Scion or Titan. Point values were tricky at first but we got there in the end and found we enjoyed it more than the restrictive maniple structure of the main game. We do have the odd game of the real McCoy but at that we would have written it off as a waste of money.
Now with the current situation we've ended up key workers and working radically different shifts, so playing each other has been very difficult and the local clubs haven't been hosting games neither. With the new lockdown in England I fancied trying my hand at solo-Titanicus, see what can be done.
Role speaking, yes.
You have the Valkyrie that is a VTOL that functions as both ground support gunship and a transport plane for airborne combat regiments.
Normal troop carry/light ground support was the valkyrie with a carry capasity of 12 guardsmen, the vendetta is the anti tank/troop transport configuration, while the vulture is a dedicated gunship with 0 transport capability.
Awesome! Then the Valkyrie will do just nicely.
Bit beyond my means at the moment but with the following shopping list...
AI Valkyries
AT Questoris
AT Manufactorium Imperialis
AT & AI field assets
Blast templates
...a solo-coop desert strike style game is possible. If it were just mechs I'd stick with AT but if including aircraft I'd have to go with the Horizon Wars rule set again, and adapt it.
Can I ask where you are getting the rules for solo missions?
Cheers, Pacific.
I'm writing them from scratch. To cut a long story short I enjoy creating games as well as playing them.
My brother and I found Titanicus frustrating at first with the lack of releases and homebrewed a smaller mode where each player takes a group of knights each, either led by a Scion or Titan. Point values were tricky at first but we got there in the end and found we enjoyed it more than the restrictive maniple structure of the main game. We do have the odd game of the real McCoy but at that we would have written it off as a waste of money.
Now with the current situation we've ended up key workers and working radically different shifts, so playing each other has been very difficult and the local clubs haven't been hosting games neither. With the new lockdown in England I fancied trying my hand at solo-Titanicus, see what can be done.
That sounds really great. I know what you mean about lack of games playing opportunities at the moment, I'm in the same boat.
If you do get a chance to post any rules online (even if its just a basic premise) would love to take a look !
Squeezed in playtests of the Reaver vs 3 Qs last night and this morning, and while its pretty much on par with the "First Strike" missions for learning the game, it has little to do with the player making real decisions. Which is crap!
We'll give the desert strike format a go with a warhound. I think its safe to assume that most players will have magnetized their titans and can swap out their weapons, and that will be an interesting mechanic in itself. Some missions could state what weapons a hound starts off with and which the player can swap at stations.
Gave legio venator's new rules a try vs legio fureans, my buddy got his glaive painted (macro cannon battery) and I rocked my rocket tank (armageddon missile battery). The infantry/armigers are titan hunter infantry.
"Why is it YOU get Hobbit-Knights and WE dont?!??"
Seriously though, Crablezworth, that looks like a fair fight. Not sure of the differences between the Warbringer and Warlord, but I'd probably swing with the yellow team.
Once again a lone warhound needs repairing but this time has retreated into a coastal city covered in a dense mist, under constant fire from a hidden missile stronghold and a macro cannon.
While the hound managed to locate the stronghold and squashed it, the macro cannon scored two critical hits to the legs sending the titan stumbling backward into the mist, crashing to the ground. Victorious but also destroyed on the same turn...strange but true.
Theres room for improvement but not bad all the same.
"Why is it YOU get Hobbit-Knights and WE dont?!??"
Seriously though, Crablezworth, that looks like a fair fight. Not sure of the differences between the Warbringer and Warlord, but I'd probably swing with the yellow team.
It was super close, yellow team took it bu 1vp
ps if ye be lookin for hobbit knights, I believe the designer is named "moonjam".
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Flinty wrote: Models and scenery looking amazing. With line ups like that you need to do some of those ridiculous video segments of players from the last world cup
Once again a lone warhound needs repairing but this time has retreated into a coastal city covered in a dense mist, under constant fire from a hidden missile stronghold and a macro cannon.
While the hound managed to locate the stronghold and squashed it, the macro cannon scored two critical hits to the legs sending the titan stumbling backward into the mist, crashing to the ground. Victorious but also destroyed on the same turn...strange but true.
Theres room for improvement but not bad all the same.
There's rules from one of the narrative missions in the rulebook with rules for like occupied buildings with heretics that shoot out. The battlefield assets are weirdly resistant unless a titan steps on them.
Unlike you lucky who has access to a 3d printer either personly or thru some commuinty service locations, that stuff, like the whole wargaming hobby alone, barly exist in my country/city, so i have to do things the old way, aka buy from people who make and sell these products.
So i ordered a few 6mm imperial vehicles and a bag of soldiers, resin and white metal. (the white metal is so shiney it is borderline impossible to take pcitures of it in any kind of light)
So here is how they look pre paint. (crispy mold indeed)
Purchased from https://www.trolls.cz/
Sutch an adorable scale to work on, i realy regret now that i missed the epic era.
I bought 5 vehicles and 20 infantry so should be enugh deco for my 5 titans, plus future 4 more titans that i want.
going to try and see if i can find some static grass/bushes/trees aswell, there is 2 model train shops in my city and i bet either N or Z scale would suit AT.
Z is about 1:220 if memory serves while AT is around 1:270. Most things should be easy to port, especially given how 40k things have a flair for the ginormous
FrozenDwarf wrote: Sutch an adorable scale to work on, i realy regret now that i missed the epic era.
I bought 5 vehicles and 20 infantry so should be enugh deco for my 5 titans, plus future 4 more titans that i want.
going to try and see if i can find some static grass/bushes/trees aswell, there is 2 model train shops in my city and i bet either N or Z scale would suit AT.
There are some physical battlefield assets like titan hunter infantry you may wish to save some of the models for, the rules can be found in the doom of molech book. Basically you place 2 bases of infantry in the stratagem phase than activate and shoot in the combat phase, really cool and very fluffy
FrozenDwarf wrote: Thanks for that tip.
Any suggestions to token size, since the page dont give any refereance for that...
we player 32-40mm
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SamusDrake wrote: I'd venture just small enough to sit on the roof of the Civitas Imperialis buildings.
Disagree, the only way to balance them in game is force them to be placed on the ground. They have the same resilience to shooting that a bunker does, without the abiltiy for a titan to step on them, they're a little too good IMO. If you allow placement on buildings, they simply never get targeted, the other reason for this is you scoop them in the end phase of the turn anyway.
I'm actually dealing with this right now. The old bases for Epic seem to have been 20x20mm or later 40x12mm. I ordered 5 8mm MKIII devastators and 2 rapier multi-lasers off ebay for the titan hunting infantry, and going purely from aesthetic I started with 2 FoW bases and then whittled those down to 20x40mm which seems like a good compromise for the minis I'm using and allowing some BUA base terrain. I might rebase onto something official if infantry are reintroduced I suppose. Also, the vast majority of my terrain are buildings, so....
As a personal note, I got into AT with Space Marine way back when and used to have All the Sons of Horus. I put my GW away as childish things when going off to college and the minis eventually disappeared during a garage sale. Of course I met my now best friend when walking by his dorm room on the 1st day to see the RT crimsons fist cover poster on the wall and asking about it. All I have left of my old AT is a phantom titan being salvaged used as part of a multi-tree base forest terrain section and a reaver head in a scenic base's trash yard.
SamusDrake wrote: I'd venture just small enough to sit on the roof of the Civitas Imperialis buildings.
Disagree, the only way to balance them in game is force them to be placed on the ground. They have the same resilience to shooting that a bunker does, without the abiltiy for a titan to step on them, they're a little too good IMO. If you allow placement on buildings, they simply never get targeted, the other reason for this is you scoop them in the end phase of the turn anyway.
The markers can normally only be placed in terrain unless you houserule otherwise. Our houserule is to remove the marker if a building they are in gets destroyed. Most often they also aren't really too much of a bother and removing them instead of shooting at actual targets isn't a priority to begin with. A couple of low Str shots with a piddly BS are a nuisance, but unless you're rolling way hot, they really aren't a powerplay choice.
Disagree, the only way to balance them in game is force them to be placed on the ground. They have the same resilience to shooting that a bunker does, without the abiltiy for a titan to step on them, they're a little too good IMO. If you allow placement on buildings, they simply never get targeted, the other reason for this is you scoop them in the end phase of the turn anyway.
As in they can sit on the top of buildings like infantry could in the classic Space Marine.
Do keep in mind that titan hunters are currently just a token, not an official model. If infantry in general were to be introduced to the game they would likely make them compatible with the scenery, much in the same way as spires and assets.
I'm not talking conception, infantry could totally occupy a building, I'm talking game terms/rules. They're literally the same resilience as a bunker or any other other battlefield assets like the macro cannon battery. We just house ruled you had to place them touching a building. The other issue is if we don't lock it down to just buildings you have them being placed in weird spots like next to a rock or other natural terrain feature that doesn't really scream concealment. But what we've found is our house rule works pretty well, its like they're bursting out of a building to ambush titans.
I think the other thing is with terrain destruction being in the optional rules it's hard to have any standards. But we can probably agree a base of infantry being as resilient as a bunker seems a bit weird. At least like with those battlefield assets if a titan can end its movement on one they stand a good chance of smooshing it, which works well game wise vs shooting it.
SamusDrake wrote: Oh right...I thought we were talking about how big the base of the model was supposed to be?
My bad.
Well the battlefield assets like the bunkers fit well on like 32-40mm, I based mine on 32mm bases. I have some assets on 40mm bases or oval bases in the base of some little super heavies I use as macro cannons/apocalypse missile batteries. Most of my titan hunters are on 32mm bases but some recent one are on 40mm bases for space (there's a drop pod in center of the base).
Having recently gained some assistance (and churned out a commission for Mantic) I've finally had a chance to finish painting up my Reaver for my Mortis lads (and a banner from Sets F and H).
The weird little bit on the banner pole mount is there for alignment lugs as the pole mount is magnetised (designed with sockets, magnets provided in the kit) at that point.
I like the Game Color series, some bottles are years old and still work fine. The Burnt Umber, my current favorite for liquid talent over Agrax, is from their Model Air series and has a nice consistency for washing or glazing without diluting.
Previous pics were a bit dark, so I spent a good few hours today trying to get some better pics. The great northern darkness doesn't make it easy, nor does the lack of sensible lighting in my house
Now that I have like twenty knights painted or something, they probably need a name for their household. Something tragic and sorrowful like their titan masters', whose uncaring bidding they must serve. Lacrimae, Tribulatio, something like that.
Keep it up, zedmeister, they're looking nice and minty
The paint scheme is awesome, it was mostly the blue/cyan and gold that reminded me of the beer. Is it a custom legio?
Thanks bud. They're actually Legio Krytos. Didn't like the washed out green in the paint schemes and tried to match mine closer to the colour plates in Titandeath. Hopefully, they'll see some much improved rules as they're pretty much bottom of the pile for Legio strength. Blowing away buildings is fun though...
The paint scheme is awesome, it was mostly the blue/cyan and gold that reminded me of the beer. Is it a custom legio?
Thanks bud. They're actually Legio Krytos. Didn't like the washed out green in the paint schemes and tried to match mine closer to the colour plates in Titandeath. Hopefully, they'll see some much improved rules as they're pretty much bottom of the pile for Legio strength. Blowing away buildings is fun though...
Earthbreaker missiles are great though, especially on Reavers that can snipe Quake shenanigans all over the place. When Titandeath came out, one of my favourite tactics was to run Krytos Venators with a Gatling / Melta / Apoc leader, who could then either blast with the Melta if the targets the Hounds stripped were in sight or hit them with the Earthbreaker from anywhere on the table to bind them in place for other wings of the force to deal with.
Their "we don't care about Dangerous Terrain" stratagem can also be nice, if you know your fellows like to run Scatterable Mines a lot.
Sherrypie wrote: Earthbreaker missiles are great though, especially on Reavers that can snipe Quake shenanigans all over the place. When Titandeath came out, one of my favourite tactics was to run Krytos Venators with a Gatling / Melta / Apoc leader, who could then either blast with the Melta if the targets the Hounds stripped were in sight or hit them with the Earthbreaker from anywhere on the table to bind them in place for other wings of the force to deal with.
Their "we don't care about Dangerous Terrain" stratagem can also be nice, if you know your fellows like to run Scatterable Mines a lot.
I do like Earthbreakers, but the single shot with a Reaver I always saw as a problem especially with my ability to always roll low. Though, last time, I did end up with a lucky Quake hit that knocked an offending Warlord direct into the arc of my Warlord with paired gatling blasters... I didn't consider firing off quake with the Venator free shot when blowing out shields. Nice way to slap them about a bit.
Must be nearly a year since I last played. Bloody lockdown...
Single shot is a bit iffy, sure, but you only need to hit with Quake to have an effect. You can't smack people around, though, they only have Quake but not Concussive like the Mori would.
Prometheum5 wrote: Did anyone actually pick up the resin Knights so far? Curious to see pics of the parts and assembly.
Got a pack each and they're pretty similar to the plastic knights in how they fit together. Cleanup is comparable as well. The cabling from the weapon to the Knight's reactor was a bit fiddly and one of the Magæra's needed the old hot water treatment to fit but otherwise fine. In fact, the Graviton Gun and Plasma Fusil mounts are a lot sturdier than the plastics.
Something big yet tiny today, painted the Ordinatus up finally. He's partly AT plastic and might occasionally end up as battlefield assets. Party hard with all the noise!
Nice work. I love the Ordinatus and think they are a good candidate for an addition to the game and am hopeful Forgeworld will put them out.
For rules, they could be largely like Knights (in a detachment) but with some sort of simple plasma management.
The dispersion shield is a bit different and should diminish as the game goes on. So, turn 1 is 2+, 2 is 3+, 3 is 4+ and so on until a minimum of 5+ is reached.
For the weapons, the Belicosa we know. No idea on how you'd replicate the Sonic Disruptor - it's stupidly destructive in 30k.
I think the addition of crawlers to the game should come with a new set of turning templates for the “short edge” of the oval bases so that they can be aligned along the long axis and moved that way. It would change the tactical considerations for them significantly with very little additional rules baggage.
Traditionally, in Epic they had void shields like titans. A minoris gun, like the Sonic Destroyer here, would probably be comparable to a Mori cannon. On a bigger majoris engine, the Sonic Disruptor exceeds the capabilities of Warlord level guns for the most part.
Sherrypie wrote: Traditionally, in Epic they had void shields like titans. A minoris gun, like the Sonic Destroyer here, would probably be comparable to a Mori cannon. On a bigger majoris engine, the Sonic Disruptor exceeds the capabilities of Warlord level guns for the most part.
Originally, when the Ordinatus were first released back in Epic: Space Marine/Titan Legions they had an unmodifiable 1+ save that degraded by turns. Supposedly a combination of the void shield and power field technologies.
As for Majoris engines… yes, they were capable of mounting Imperator-grade weapon systems, or dismounted naval cannon. Only one each, though.
Sherrypie wrote: Traditionally, in Epic they had void shields like titans.
They had the dispersion shield back in Epic 2nd edition - it had the diminishing save mechanic but would completely burn out if the game went on too long. The Ordinatus Armageddon had plasma management, but that was to power the starship Nova Cannon it carried around
Huh, more you know. That's neatly distinct, if somewhat superfluous from the gameplay perspective, which is probably why the later lists just used void shield mechanics.
Mr_Rose wrote: Originally, when the Ordinatus were first released back in Epic: Space Marine/Titan Legions they had an unmodifiable 1+ save that degraded by turns. Supposedly a combination of the void shield and power field technologies.
I had forgotton about the 1+ save on the first turn. It was only from the front and sides though. If I remember, if you got 'em in the rear, they were unshielded.
Sherrypie wrote: Huh, more you know. That's neatly distinct, if somewhat superfluous from the gameplay perspective, which is probably why the later lists just used void shield mechanics.
I assume you're referring to 3rd edition or Epic 40k? If so, that pretty much watered down a lot of the unique rules and tried to combine them into a simple one size fits all mechanic. In 30k, they got their Dispersion Shields back but turned it into a flare shield which reduced the strength of incoming shots. It still diminishes as the game goes on. So -3 str in turn 1, -2 on turn 2 and so on. It is particulary effective and resisting Titan grade weapons.
I made a homebrew setup for Ordinatus Minoris for play with my friends, as we had the Epic models and 3d printer files for them. As the 3d printer files were basically tracks and a chassis compatible with Warbringer Carapace weaponry, our Ordinatus Minoris sheet has Bellicosa Volcano Cannon, Mori Quake Cannon and Ullator Sonic Cannon as weapon options.
Ullator Sonic Cannon is Dice 3, Str 7, 18" +1 Short 36" - Long 9+ Disabled, Blast 3" Quake Voidbreaker (1).
In terms of the Dispersion Shield, the way we modeled it is similar to how it works in 30k: Any attacks coming from the Front or Side Arcs or any hits coming from Blast or Firestorm Template weapons have their strength reduced by the current value of the Dispersion Shield Modifier, which starts at -4 and degrades each turn.
Armor-wise, the Ordinatus has only 2 locations (Head and Legs both become Tracks hits), both have the same armor values as a Warhound body, and both have only 4 SPs before critical damage.
In terms of gameplay it's intended to fill a similar point cost to a Warhound titan, but where the Warhound typically is less useful in the early game as it gets into position using its mobility, and can be clutch later on when it flanks enemy titans or gets to use short ranged weaponry, the Ordinatus is killer early on where it has Warlord Arm Weapon level range and you need to roll a 14 to hurt it, and it gets progressively worse as the game goes on and opponents can exploit its super low maneuverability (1/2) and degrading dispersion shield.
Unlike some of our homebrews that have gotten multiple playtests though our version of the Ordinatus has only seen one game so far, where it did just get blown apart pretty early on-albeit by more firepower than it would have taken to score an early kill on a Warhound. So, tough to say how good the balance is on it.
Quick question, so we have a bunch of Titans mentioned in the background that don't have models yet (Rapier, Punisher, etc). I was wondering if this also goes for Knights. Are there Knight types mentioned in the background that don't have models/designs yet?
Knightwise were still missing the Asterius, Dominus and Armigers. They do however, have models for 40K so I'd expect them next. There's also a mean looking Amiger variant called the Moirax.
Malika2 wrote: Quick question, so we have a bunch of Titans mentioned in the background that don't have models yet (Rapier, Punisher, etc). I was wondering if this also goes for Knights. Are there Knight types mentioned in the background that don't have models/designs yet?
Model wise it's the asterius and warbringer alternate with belicoassa on top, then I assume chaos/blackshield stuff.
Speaking of asterius, been working on mine, got the weapons from vanguard miniatures. I wanted to give it a unique paintjob cuz it's likely the only one I'll ever run. Also got some more work done on my second set of lancers. Psi titan's weapons got a bit more paint. The mewps are almost done too, just gotta paint the crew and do a few tough ups.
Bit confused as to why they include an alternative missile rack for the Porphyrion when its only got one option, and the Asterius is clearly going to be a new kit and the missile rack on that is wildly different anyway.
Bit confused as to why they include an alternative missile rack for the Porphyrion when its only got one option, and the Asterius is clearly going to be a new kit and the missile rack on that is wildly different anyway.
Any thoughts?
Well, they may just cop out and do a fw weapon for the asterius. They know they don't have to ship the terminal so it'd be more like the warlord weapons.
Anyone else get the two new questoris forge world kits and find the casting pretty god awful on the legs? The rest wasn't great either, but the legs had mold slippage that was deep enough to be unfixable even with serious putty and resculpting - on 3 of the 4 total legs I got.
The rest of the titan weapons I ordered were also quite dicey in spots. God forbid they not have mold slips or serious dimensional accuracy ruining warping ( as in hot water can't fix as it's not that kind of warpage). I've gone through multiple replacements. I've been spoiled by companies that actually put care and attention into their casting process at half the price.
axotl wrote: Anyone else get the two new questoris forge world kits and find the casting pretty god awful on the legs? The rest wasn't great either, but the legs had mold slippage that was deep enough to be unfixable even with serious putty and resculpting - on 3 of the 4 total legs I got.
The rest of the titan weapons I ordered were also quite dicey in spots. God forbid they not have mold slips or serious dimensional accuracy ruining warping ( as in hot water can't fix as it's not that kind of warpage). I've gone through multiple replacements. I've been spoiled by companies that actually put care and attention into their casting process at half the price.
cant speak for the knights, but i ordered some warlord weps 2 or 3 months ago and they was flawless...
With things looking up now I've gone ahead with a new titan legion at 1K points.
Reaver and some buildings in the post, and a spare Hound getting a lick of paint. Just need a third titan and with a bit of luck the new titan sits between the Reaver and Warbringer. If not, I guess its a Warbringer.
So, AT Project time!
With the new year, I've decided I wanted to invest more time in AT (and not just money) and stop procrastinating waiting for some decals that may be a long, long time away.
First order of business is to reduce my shameful pile of sprues, and turn it into shameful assembled minis.
Second order of business is to turn the shameful assembled minis into shamefuly painted minis (up to whatever standard I can manage), together with enough scenery to have interesting games.
Since I have nobody to play with who would actually buy minis for AT, I need to build 2 Legios at the same time. My choice is to go with Praesagius for Loyalists and Suturvora for Traitors. Knight support will in all likelihood be Vornherr for Loyalists and Ærthegn for Traitors. I'll also have a Legio Audax Canis Maniple.
Built so far:
- 8 Warlords
- 1 Ordo Sinister Psi-Warlord
- 2 Reavers
- 4 Warhounds
- 6 Questoris Knights
Remaining to be built:
- 4 Warbringers
- 8 Reavers
- 12 Warlords
- loooots of Knights
For scenery, I've used so far around 1 of the big boxes (that are sadly not available anymore), plus one of the small and some of the extra roofs. I've also some of the FW scenery, 4 of the Manufactorum scenery boxes, and 8 of the large FW tiles (2 of each).
So I may have something of a busy year in front of me...
Blergh, 3 titans is looking at me from their box, but outside temps are too cold to be using rattlecans (-5 to -10*c...)
I want to paint, but i cant paint, that is a new one for me........
Got a reaver and some buildings in the post yesterday.
Quite stubborn on making my own scenery but haven't had much time lately due to programming. The Civ-Imp buildings are surprisingly good, where you don't have to glue every piece together and can rearrange them into larger buildings or many smaller ones.
The last reaver was one of the most awkward models I've come across, so we shall be taking our time with this one methinks! It will be the second titan in our wip traitor maniple, which at the moment is inspired by the ghost crew of the Elizabeth Dane( The Fog ).
Progress for the week was pretty good, I assembled all 4 of my Warbringers (all assembly is done without armor panels, as I want to paint them on the sprues and glue them later, and of course magnetized weapons), and since I made a good progress I decided to treat myself to a box of Manufactorum scenery, which was great (nice change of pace and some absolutely lovable stuff in this box such as the iconic Manufactorum containers).
This week the goal is to complete 4 of the 8 Reavers I have to assemble, possibly including some of the extra weapons (both weapon sprues and FW Reaver weapons).
indeed!
They finish my attempt at 'War Maniple Red Naga' (spoilered refrence pic)
Spoiler:
They comitted to a proper mix-up on the names of the two reavers - the fluff says the one with the fist is the 'Red Naga' but the pictures say the opposite...
SamusDrake wrote:Well, I'd assume that the "fluff" allows for a titan to be refitted with different weapons?
Absolutely! The reference image does say that it is showing the maniple "deployed for the loyalist assault on Isstvan 5" though
zedmeister wrote:Good stuff SirDonlad.
Need to get my finger out and paint me some more Titans. Got a bunch of Reavers and a Warlord partially painted.
I'll be keeping an eye out here for when you're done with your god-engines! Fully appreciating how much stuff there is to do with these models - they really went to town with keeping the detail high on these!
Makes me need to give a respectful nod of kudos to winterdyne - always serving up glorious minis that i spend waaaay too much time staring at
A lot of the time i don't feel able to comment on the minis i see in here - the work is that nice!
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I've managed to assemble all 8 Reavers that I had on sprues.
Now onto the 12 Warhounds : 3 for each Suturvora & Praesagius (to have 5 for each Legio) + 6 for Audax)
Assembled the head for the new reaver and attached it to the upper body. Its the one with the tusks and surprisingly was able to build as it was. The other kit has one where you ideally have to paint the eyes first before attaching the helmet, but no worries here at all - slap it together and paint it. Happy days.
I suppose I should get off my arse and paint some knights....
My first new eldar titan class, the Wight support titan.
This is slightly larger than a revanant and more heavily armoured. They mount a single large shoulder weapon system rather than arm weapons. The arms have a set of linked defence weapons.
This is a bash of a revenant, and wraithknight stl.
While pretty, I have to say the shoulder mounted gun doesn't mesh with the general eldar vibe at all on titanic scale.
It's ungainly and inelegant, with a gun that would be better suited on a super heavy hover tank. If it's meant to work more like a long range marksman against titanic targets and not as a sleek runner that Eldar titans traditionally are, I'd maybe add some design cues that make it look heavier and more stable, like Dark Reapers compared to Banshees.
Sherrypie wrote: While pretty, I have to say the shoulder mounted gun doesn't mesh with the general eldar vibe at all on titanic scale.
It's ungainly and inelegant, with a gun that would be better suited on a super heavy hover tank. If it's meant to work more like a long range marksman against titanic targets and not as a sleek runner that Eldar titans traditionally are, I'd maybe add some design cues that make it look heavier and more stable, like Dark Reapers compared to Banshees.
I have to agree, it looks rather awkward to me.
Perhaps a gun just held in two hands like a rifle/other gun would look better.
Sherrypie wrote:While pretty, I have to say the shoulder mounted gun doesn't mesh with the general eldar vibe at all on titanic scale.
It's ungainly and inelegant, with a gun that would be better suited on a super heavy hover tank. If it's meant to work more like a long range marksman against titanic targets and not as a sleek runner that Eldar titans traditionally are, I'd maybe add some design cues that make it look heavier and more stable, like Dark Reapers compared to Banshees.
I mean, wraithlords can carry two heavy weapons on their shoulders, I don't really see how titanic scale changes the visual aesthetic at all. The gun is too large to be carried in the hands and is instead mounted on the torso for maximum support.
If you compare the model's legs to a FW revenant or phantom, you'll see that they're far more heavily bulked out to represent exactly that concept of stabilisation.
kirotheavenger wrote:
I have to agree, it looks rather awkward to me.
Perhaps a gun just held in two hands like a rifle/other gun would look better.
I had planned on doing a version of the phantom doing this as a separate design, but wanted to reinforce the concept of a support gunplatform titan with this one.
It's the size disparity between the gun and the torso that makes it look so awkward imo, not necessarily the fact that it's shoulder mounted.
The shoulder weapons mounted by Wraithlords aren't that long or large.
It's by no means bad. It's just a little off to me.
The pose isn't doing it any favours. If you do something else with the right arm and point the gun off at a different angle instead of the right angle to the straight-up posture I think it'd look a lot better.
Please bear in mind that it has also been photographed from below and at an odd angle to distort the silhouette as much as possible because mystery. They don’t want to lessen the impact of the Preview by using good angles for the pre-Preview…
Mr_Rose wrote: Please bear in mind that it has also been photographed from below and at an odd angle to distort the silhouette as much as possible because mystery. They don’t want to lessen the impact of the Preview by using good angles for the pre-Preview…
You did notice we were talking about the Eldar model, not the upcoming new titan ?
Anyway, back to the Wraithlord analogy, it's different exactly because their shoulder mounts aren't assisted by hand like this one. Wraiths with shoulder guns still have their hands free to do other things. Hauling a huge log on your shoulder looks brutish and feels like it takes effort, which is so mon'keigh.
Reaver assembled and undercoated, ready for action.
What comes next depends on what is revealed tomorrow afternoon. While the new titan might be too large for small games, I'm hoping that an accompanying book will offer new options for building a force.
So wish they would revisit the classic, early 90s warhounds even as an upgrade kit for the existing hound.
They could repurpose the older style spikey pill body with side weapon mounts for the Rapier scout titan, maybe with a few mods it could dual purpose with the Slaaneshi titan as well.
They could repurpose the older style spikey pill body with side weapon mounts for the Rapier scout titan, maybe with a few mods it could dual purpose with the Slaaneshi titan as well.
Would love to see that.
Not a fan of Slaanesh but I do admire the recent Keeper of Secrets, and would be up for a project to capture the look and feel of that model in a chaos titan. Maybe kitbashed with the Fane of Slaanesh kit?
6 Warhounds assembled since last week.
All Titans for Legio Praesagius and Legio Suturvora have now been assembled (main body and main weapons only, carapace stays on sprues for painting and alt weapons will be done later).
6 Warhounds to assemble for Legio Audax (work for this week, I started yesterday).
And after that, Knights...
And of course I need to find room in my shelf for some Warmaster Titans...
Funny story, I felt a bit left out of the extreme value of the new starter when my friend was ordering his so I had him order one for me too. I think 4 Warhounds is a thing but what about 4 Reavers?
Funny story, I felt a bit left out of the extreme value of the new starter when my friend was ordering his so I had him order one for me too. I think 4 Warhounds is a thing but what about 4 Reavers?
Nice pile. Now to decide on a legion! Corsair maniple can have up to 5 reavers so no worries there
Man the paralysis is real. I can't even decide loyalist or traitor
I can't find any STL support worth a damn so this looks to be an entirely traditional hobby project, so do I want to cover my titans with statues or tentacles?
My Titans (so far) are now assembled (well, the bodies, as I intend to paint armor on sprues and I've still some extra weapons to assemble). Loyalist forces are Legio Praesagius (4 Warlords, 2 Warbringers, 5 Reavers, 5 Warhounds) and one Psi-Titan. Traitor forces are Legio Suturvora (4 Warlords, 2 Warbringers, 5 Reavers, 5 Warhounds) and Legio Audax (6 Warhounds).
Now onto our 106 Knights, which may be a tad too much depending on who you ask (my wife definitely thinks so): - 36 Questoris - 16 Cerastus - 14 Porphoryon - 12 Castigators - 12 Acheron - 4 Magaera - 4 Styrix - 8 Atrapos
Hoping I'll be finished before the Warmaster shows up.
What do you mean by that exactly? Like just taking the Legio Fureans traits and calling them the Legio Insipidus with different heraldry?
That’s totally still a thing.
The Custom Legio rules also have the option to borrow traits from different (in)famous legios to add to the main custom traits.
But if you mean just mix-n-matching traits form all over, that was never a thing.
Mr_Rose wrote: What do you mean by that exactly? Like just taking the Legio Fureans traits and calling them the Legio Insipidus with different heraldry?
That’s totally still a thing.
The Custom Legio rules also have the option to borrow traits from different (in)famous legios to add to the main custom traits.
But if you mean just mix-n-matching traits form all over, that was never a thing.
The custom legio rules in WD have a trait "choose a trait from any other legio", same for stratagem and wargear. I can't find that in the updated rules in Defense of Ryza so I'm guessing any custom legios are now limited only to options in that one article.
CorwinB wrote: And my weekly shelfie marks an important step:
My Titans (so far) are now assembled (well, the bodies, as I intend to paint armor on sprues and I've still some extra weapons to assemble).
Loyalist forces are Legio Praesagius (4 Warlords, 2 Warbringers, 5 Reavers, 5 Warhounds) and one Psi-Titan.
Traitor forces are Legio Suturvora (4 Warlords, 2 Warbringers, 5 Reavers, 5 Warhounds) and Legio Audax (6 Warhounds).
Now onto our 106 Knights, which may be a tad too much depending on who you ask (my wife definitely thinks so):
- 36 Questoris
- 16 Cerastus
- 14 Porphoryon
- 12 Castigators
- 12 Acheron
- 4 Magaera
- 4 Styrix
- 8 Atrapos
Hoping I'll be finished before the Warmaster shows up.
Lots of magnets still to go on the reavers and warhounds. Not counting the ones on the way. When I get the cabonet better organized, I'll take my own piccys
Started designing a new eldar titan I've called the Seraph strike Titan.
It is between a Revanant and Phantom in size and is the only eldar titan designed specifically for orbital insertions.
Seraph Strike Titan
These are a rare class of eldar titan whose design and systems hark back to the time of the fall and the height of eldar hedonism where they took sensation to the extreme. The seraph uses a psychomesh that bonds the steersman’s mind to the titan in a way unlike any other. They feel everything the titan feels. As such only the most devoted of those lost to the titan path can resist the overwhelming sensations produced by the interface.
The seraph, unlike any other titan (eldar or otherwise) is deployed from orbit. The titan freefalls before deploying its grav wings, unfolding like the mighty pinions of an old god. These wings control the descent before the anti grav absorbers initiate to reduce the titan's impact force.
This kind of extreme deployment puts a massive strain on both titan and pilot, requiring that they are reinforced, reducing the weapon loadouts possible. However the most experienced steersman can use this to their advantage, landing on or near an enemy titan and damaging them in the impact.
Seraphs are generally equipped with Revanant weaponry, to save on energy, mounted as paired weapons on the forearms.
SamusDrake wrote: Good'ol Reaver legs; a cherished favourite of AT players far and wide...
Personally I hate magnetizing the arms to the point where Warbringers might be worth the extra pennies for less hassle.
If we talk about the reaver, the shooty arms is easier if you just mag the connection point between the wep and arm.
For the mele option, i just blu-tack it. a fresh lump has alot of stickyness to it.
Have begun on the 3rd warhound and i instantly regret it cus i went with yellow and i hate painting more then 1 layer as i dont have the patience for it....... have to cover it up with more rust spots and dust pigments then normal...
Its not so much the connection between the arm and guns, but the connection at the shoulders; dropped in at slightly the wrong slant, or if you cut the top of the arm wrong and it looks awful.
I fared better on the recent one, but won't be getting anymore unless its with the starter set.
Yeah I did the shoulders first because I want to be able to swap in CCWs too. The top part is easy af as you have a guide hole if you go from the top, but drilling the ball joint is hell. My wish was to use the weapon cabling that nobody does, have it attached to the weapon and loosely plug in the cable hole on the hull. But the shoulder attachments ended up being too inconsistent from arm to arm. So then I magnetized the wrists too so I can swap the weapons left/right.
SamusDrake wrote: Good'ol Reaver legs; a cherished favourite of AT players far and wide...
Doubly so when the glue doesn't dry quick enough and it starts leaning. Now, you're desperately trying to scramble for a prop, probably a paint pot, glass of water or some other item that won't help
SamusDrake wrote: Good'ol Reaver legs; a cherished favourite of AT players far and wide...
Doubly so when the glue doesn't dry quick enough and it starts leaning. Now, you're desperately trying to scramble for a prop, probably a paint pot, glass of water or some other item that won't help
invest in some quality glue, it will change your life(and the way you glue plastics)
So I got some paint on they shanty's, shanty town is a go. The files are by the lazy forger, some really cool at stuff on there. Had these done at 6mm but they'd look fine 7-8mm.
Ah, building Reavers. I take an age over those trying to get the magnets just right. Like others have said, I magnetise at the shoulder (3x2mm) so that I can swap between gun arms and ccws, and at the arm/gun joint (5x1mm) so I can swap guns and/or swap whether a gun is left or right arm. So incredibly fiddly and time consuming, but I'd be irritated with myself if I didn't do it. Got four Reavers done now though, so I probably won't want to do any more... for a while at least.
SirDonlad wrote: Those look awesome dude; going to have to hassle you for a link for those upgrades on the right hand warlord here!!
Thanks! Though there aren't any upgrades on any of them, they're all straight from the kits. If you mean the right hand warlord in the first picture, the head/shoulders are just alternative parts that come on the Sunfury/Arioch sprue.
Speaking of magnets, I'm trying to decide if I want to magnetize the arms on my Knights or not... Considering that so far the only upgrade kit released was for the Questoris and that I'll have plenty of leftover Acastus chassis in the unlikely case they release an upgrade sprue for the Acastus Asterius...
The 02/28/2020 FAQ states that a player can only field 2 Acastus per Acastus Knight Banner (1 Knight Lord Scion + 1 Knight Scion Marital), and 1 Acastus Knight Banner per Titan Maniple or per Knights Lance, correct ? So building only 2 or 4 per army should be enough.
Yes. And two boxes of Acastus should be plenty unless you're going for a very high point limit. If you find yourself with 3-4 maniples or lances, you can add more mobility to your force by having just 1 Acastus to a banner, rather than purchase more boxes and waste more points.
Hopefully they might do away with the Auxilary rule in the next FAQ, which I assume will be featured in the next Engine Kill article.
I fell a bit behind last week, because I received my monthly WH40K Conquest shipment, and assembled it.
Regarding AT, I assembled 4 Acastus Porphoryons, which were kind of a pain. I magnetized the secondary weapons and the missile rack head. I left the missile panel unglued so I can remove the head and close it should I want to.
This week I plan to add 4 more Porphoryons (4 per side should be more than enough), and if I've got time I'll go one step further down the size and move onto some Cerastus knights.
This week I plan to add 4 more Porphoryons (4 per side should be more than enough), and if I've got time I'll go one step further down the size and move onto some Cerastus knights.
New board setup, got some more badlands terrain and some tar pits. Also happy with how the shanty's look. Also just picked up print of grimdark's new train and some of the cool crane towers.
Just tidying up the models here and there, nothing great though.
Being as I don't play 40K beyond the odd open play game with starter sets, and Kill Team, I thought I would spend some time on wahapedia to get a better idea of how our knights and titans are represented in that game.
Its interesting that the hound's vulcan megabolter, Castigator's bolt cannon and Questoris' avenger all have the same stats, save for two differences; the megabolter has the most range and the highest heavy attacks. While less than the megabolter, the bolt cannon has more attacks than the Avenger. All three of these weapons has the same strength...
So last night I played around with the stats in AT to be more consistent with this. It pays to remember that AT and 40K are different rule systems and there might be a reason why its not like the following, but here goes...
...it was only a exercise in curiosity but I might try them out between regular games. Maybe increasing the mega bolter to 15 points as it is gaining increased range and more dice.
I'm putting a lot of those pictures in other tabs, Crablezworth, so one day I can sit down with my box of building sprues and copy a bunch of your buildings. I like how they look.
MajorWesJanson wrote: I'm putting a lot of those pictures in other tabs, Crablezworth, so one day I can sit down with my box of building sprues and copy a bunch of your buildings. I like how they look.
Thanks guy check out grimdark terrain, they've got a lot of parts that mesh perfectly with the gw civitas buildings.
Nice, I love his stuff, I've only got his warehouse so far but can't wait to get more printed. He just posted on his facebook page a few days ago some of his buildings painted up with vines, looked really cool. How you planning to paint'm?
Grimdark terrain train is amazing, I love the towers too. Can't wait to get these things painted.
It basicly was an evolving prosess, originaly i wanted it to be mono yellow with silver trims. Sometimes an idea have to mature for a bit before you see if works or not, and this one was more about luck, then planning.
But there wont be more like him in my collection, that is why i am doing blackshield legio; full colour freedom. (allso helps that Blackshield got their own rules last year)
Edit*
My collection so far to just showcase what i mean by "colour freedom"(yea iphone image in bad light, but you get the general impression), still 3 more titans to be added, two of them i allready have a colour idea for. Only time will tell if they are viable or not.
Hello, no new model assembled this week, but I managed to get all my Titans primed with Leadbelcher (I also primed armor plates that are left on sprue). I also rearranged my shelf to get 4 levels for Titanicus, which is going to be an absolute necessity once the Warmaster is released...
lord_blackfang wrote: If the core 3 are now all available as Lucius pattern in STL... do I dare use that for loyalists and demonify all my plastics and have two forces?
3D printer just arrived. Waiting on the wash station and resin. Going to learn how to use it, then start printing up some of those lovely lucius beasties. And Grimdark Terrain
Now I'm curious to see what a Lucius Warbringer and Warmaster will look like.
hopefully gonna update it soon to fix a few errors and clean things up a bit.
who has access to a 3d printer either personly or thru some commuinty service locations, that stuff, like the whole wargaming hobby alone, barly exist in my country/city, so i have to do things the old way, aka buy from people who make and sell these products.
