Snrub wrote:
Jesus. What a monstrous piece of gak.
Whoever designed this needs a swift kicking.

Deleted.

I kinda like it. Still, I guess haters gotta hate.

Guilliman: We need to increase the range of our missiles. Perhaps have them out of sight and use long range targeting systems?

Cawl: Preposterous! We simply build a huge drop platform to deploy the missile turret behind enemy lines

Gilliman: But, wont the enemy simply walk up and wreck it?

Cawl: NaturalIy, I will cover it with flamers.

Guilliman: I dont know, overwatch is not what it used to be... Hey! Could we drop Primaris marines and Redemptors as well!?

Cawl: NO!

I really hope it’s meant to be deployed by Thunderhawk. Otherwise why not just make a plastic model of the Deathstorm Drop Pod? That at least has an actually plausible design for an atmospheric entry vehicle – provided you assume an ablative cover over the braking thrusters at the bottom that gets discarded at high altitudes, anyway.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
there was one of the legs, can't remember if there's been anything else and the OP isn't up to date any more

It’s up to date for 2020 thank you

It is very Dawn of War. I do like the idea of SM forward bases being dropped from orbit in that style, but I think the execution could definitely be better.

There are aspects I like, such as the underlying bunker, but it really needs more of a nod to how it actually travels through the atmosphere than those stubby fins.

At least they thought of adding the legs to allow the thing to self stabilise on arrival.

Except the legs don’t work properly because they can’t retract – the fins are part of the main hinge pin/cog and jam on the casing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
there was one of the legs, can't remember if there's been anything else and the OP isn't up to date any more

It’s up to date for 2020 thank you

i'm seeing them now (not sure why they didn't show for me yesterday)

The Necrons get one too apparently

I wonder how hard it will be to put one bolter and one flamer in each slot?

What would be the point of that, if they take either heavy bolters or flamers?

I was wondering how hard it would be to take the legs off and just make it a bunker. Replace them with doors/hatches/consoles.

Part of my “one of these days” list of things to do is to make part of a table the polar fortress of Macragge. These are not bad looking marine bunkers.

It’s just the fact that they look silly as orbital drops, and don’t really fit in the marine ethos of war.

Might just be better off firing up DoW and breaking out the plasticard. I liked those turrets.

I think the bunker just looks stupid. But Im also jealous. I can live in both worlds.

Yeah it’s a bit of a daft design, but then it’s not alone in that among the marine lineup.

If the bunker came in Indomitus I'd be tempted to hang onto it even though I'd sell all the other marine models on.



I mean lets not get into the whole "impractical designs" of 40K model because things like the Leman Russ are terribly designed - based on designs of the first and second generation of tanks. Even by modern standards they are primitive in their design ethos.

Considering that they could have covered this drop bunker in all sorts of crap, I think we got off pretty easily here.

I think the most interesting thing about this all is that Faction Terrain appears to be making a proper debut in 40k.

How many factions have terrain now(including this)?

- Craftworlds
- Sisters of Battle
- Space Marines
- Tau
- Necrons
- Orks
- Imperial Knights

I also noticed that the Khorne Altar for Blades of Khorne in AoS is now listed under 40k terrain along with the Nurgle Trees so we could maybe add:
- Khorne
- Nurgle

So I am wondering if there are more rumor engines that might be a part of a terrain piece like this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Considering that they could have covered this drop bunker in all sorts of crap, I think we got off pretty easily here.

Lol, very true. I think I’m just going to head Cannon it that it comes in a drop pod that splits off as it reaches a safe altitude.

I will say this though, the Necron pylon things look bloody good.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I think the most interesting thing about this all is that Faction Terrain appears to be making a proper debut in 40k.

Good. And I will own all of it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
I think the most interesting thing about this all is that Faction Terrain appears to be making a proper debut in 40k.

Good. And I will own all of it.

And he doesn’t mean one of each example.

He means all of it. We will have to lease future terrain.

Hey, I'm all for faction terrain as long as the rules doesn't actively make my other units worse, like the Mekshop does.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What would be the point of that, if they take either heavy bolters or flamers?

The point would be you could buy one and use it for either, rather than having to buy two. Yes yes, magnets, but some people don't care for those, it's too easy to lose things.

Im at a loss beyond those kind of look like power coil/tubes you usually see on mechanical things in the different ranges, but this has a distinctly chaos kind of feel to it.

It looks Death-related to me. Like wings on an undead dragon.

That is some Death Guard thing, trust me. I have been painting these exact tubes on quite a few Plague Marines right now, and the wings have those Death Guard pockmarks.

It looks like it's actually very small/heavily zoomed hint of some boils on there so maybe nurgle, looks a bit sigmary to me though.

Deathguard for certain unless they're playing a trick, the cables inside the fleshy tubes, the pustules on the surface are all distincitve

I'd agree with the Death Guard vibes, but what do Death Guard not have that they could use?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Deathguard for certain unless they're playing a trick, the cables inside the fleshy tubes, the pustules on the surface are all distincitve

A part of me is hoping they are updating the Nurgle Daemon Prince with a new plastic ones, and it could be used for 40k and AoS. With that the Death Guard line would be completely plastic. Also, the Nurgle Daemon Prince is no longer listed under Death Guard or Chaos Daemons in 40k or for Maggotkin in AoS. Can only find it by using the search function.

 Eldarsif wrote:
That is some Death Guard thing, trust me. I have been painting these exact tubes on quite a few Plague Marines right now, and the wings have those Death Guard pockmarks.

It's Chaos Marines in general, not just Death Guard.

The Chaos Space Marines Lord that came in Blackstone Fortress had them too. Some of the Havocs, the generic CSMs, and I think the Lord Discordant all have them as well.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
That is some Death Guard thing, trust me. I have been painting these exact tubes on quite a few Plague Marines right now, and the wings have those Death Guard pockmarks.

It's Chaos Marines in general, not just Death Guard.

The Chaos Space Marines Lord that came in Blackstone Fortress had them too. Some of the Havocs, the generic CSMs, and I think the Lord Discordant all have them as well.

There are also the boils and the droopy drop thingies on the flaps.

Could be a new Daemon Engine.

 Gremore wrote:
I'd agree with the Death Guard vibes, but what do Death Guard not have that they could use?

Plastic Daemon Prince of Nurgle, general release Noxious Blightbringer, general release Malignant Plaguecaster, general release Lord of Contagion, Death Guard Chaos Lord and even a Death Guard Hellbrute.

Or just new stuff, they have plenty of space for new stuff.

Good point

Hmmm Mierce are apparently going to be Scifi-ing up one of their Nurgle Demon Prince equivalents, I wonder if they've heard whispers of on official model appearing?

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
I'd agree with the Death Guard vibes, but what do Death Guard not have that they could use?

Plastic Daemon Prince of Nurgle, general release Noxious Blightbringer, general release Malignant Plaguecaster, general release Lord of Contagion, Death Guard Chaos Lord and even a Death Guard Hellbrute.

Or just new stuff, they have plenty of space for new stuff.

I like the idea of GW making new Daemon Princes for the masses. I have no horse in the Chaos race, beyond enjoying seeing interesting models across the table, and I do think the Daemon Prince could use a redo.

I keep making the same mistake of assuming GW will tackle non-plastic items before they tackle redoing newer plastic items, but then I get slapped in the face with every type of Primaris there is and am quickly reminded that's not how it works.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
That is some Death Guard thing, trust me. I have been painting these exact tubes on quite a few Plague Marines right now, and the wings have those Death Guard pockmarks.

It's Chaos Marines in general, not just Death Guard.

The Chaos Space Marines Lord that came in Blackstone Fortress had them too. Some of the Havocs, the generic CSMs, and I think the Lord Discordant all have them as well.

There are also the boils and the droopy drop thingies on the flaps.

Could be a new Daemon Engine.

Bringing the image over for posterity:

I might be wrong, but I think what people are seeing as "droopy drop thingies" are part of the wing rather than something going off of them. As for the boils?


The weird biomechanical stuff there has them too, just painted a bit darker.

I have no idea what this might be. Maybe a reinvention of the Furies concept as a Dark Mechanicus unit? We already saw the Negavolt Cultists with Blackstone Fortress, they might just start adding some of the weirder stuff via that to give a Renegades and Heretics army down the road a bit more of a unit count?

Possible Nurgle Daemon Prince?

Echoing what was said above, the vents or tears in the piping look a lot like the pipes on the Daemon Engines for the CSM - the shape of the membrane is also giving me the impression that it's wet, for some reason, so on board with the Nurgle bandwagon.

Just to throw out a different option out there: Skaven? They have pustules and mechanical bits. But DG seems more likely, time to expand the army hopefully.

Who designed that?

Woo. The chaos, probably Nurgle, consensus makes me feel bad about the slight sliver of hope the first glance gave me for a tyranid model some time this decade.

While I see where the comments for Chaos and/or Death Guard are coming from - and they were my first thoughts too - my second thought was actually "hmm, could be a winged version of Flayed Ones". You know, the skin-wearing Necrons, still waiting for a plastic kit. Adding wings to them could make sense, and give Necrons a new jumping/flying unit suitable for CC.

I don’t see anything specific to match Nurgle in the current line except the tubes that are also on Chaos in general.

There’s definitely no droplets, that’s one piece of wing looking at the colour of the paints, it would vary if it was a separate coloured drop wouldn’t it.
But it looks part of it either way.

 Darnok wrote:
While I see where the comments for Chaos and/or Death Guard are coming from - and they were my first thoughts too - my second thought was actually "hmm, could be a winged version of Flayed Ones". You know, the skin-wearing Necrons, still waiting for a plastic kit. Adding wings to them could make sense, and give Necrons a new jumping/flying unit suitable for CC.

Fair enough, didn't even think about that, and you have a line at the start of its redo as opposed to Death Guard.

My bets are still hedging toward Chaos something, but I do appreciate the new approach and I would be pleasantly surprised if it's more Necrons.

Could Be Dark Mechanicus.

Voss wrote:
Woo. The chaos, probably Nurgle, consensus makes me feel bad about the slight sliver of hope the first glance gave me for a tyranid model some time this decade.

It was my first thought seeing this too, like either a random single model or, god forbid, some Shrikes, but only a few seconds of looking and it doesn't really match Tyranids ongoing aesthetic sadly. So yeah, gonna wait some more for anything Tyranids.

 Skywave wrote:

Voss wrote:
Woo. The chaos, probably Nurgle, consensus makes me feel bad about the slight sliver of hope the first glance gave me for a tyranid model some time this decade.

It was my first thought seeing this too, like either a random single model or, god forbid, some Shrikes, but only a few seconds of looking and it doesn't really match Tyranids ongoing aesthetic sadly. So yeah, gonna wait some more for anything Tyranids.

I was chatting with my GW store manager the other day, and he said he hasn't sold a tyranid kit in 15 months. The army just doesn't sell. Maybe it needs an update or just to be squatted.

 Togusa wrote:

I was chatting with my GW store manager the other day, and he said he hasn't sold a tyranid kit in 15 months. The army just doesn't sell. Maybe it needs an update or just to be squatted.

That or the legions of fans are waiting for something new and aren't buying. Or you just don't have any Tyranid fans or your manager isn't pushing/encouraging Tyranids hard enough during selling.

Heck barring a few annoyances like split heads on gaunts, Tyranids are one of the best Xenos armies in terms of models right now. They've only a handful of models still in finecast and 2 new kits could remove the regular units and 3 would remove the 1 oustanding hero in finecast (Red Terror). That's a better position than most of the other Xenos forces. So yeah I'd say Tyranids are safe.

I think the lore is heading towards a big push for tyranids soon. They're on the LE rulebook cover, and Silent King return for Necrons was specifically because he wanted to stop the nids. I think they'll be the next big update after Necrons (maybe one after since obvs the imperium needs more stuff)

 Togusa wrote:

 Skywave wrote:

Voss wrote:
Woo. The chaos, probably Nurgle, consensus makes me feel bad about the slight sliver of hope the first glance gave me for a tyranid model some time this decade.

It was my first thought seeing this too, like either a random single model or, god forbid, some Shrikes, but only a few seconds of looking and it doesn't really match Tyranids ongoing aesthetic sadly. So yeah, gonna wait some more for anything Tyranids.

I was chatting with my GW store manager the other day, and he said he hasn't sold a tyranid kit in 15 months. The army just doesn't sell. Maybe it needs an update or just to be squatted.

It is an army that needs some love from GW in general. Some of the kits are really old, only DO available, and just needs to be revisited. There is also a problem with Tyranids that their story isn't really evolving while everyone else and their mother are getting cool heroes and lore advancement. As it stands right now the 'Nids kinda feel like the odd man out in all the conflict.

Plus the codex needs to be revisited. It's a decent codex with good internal workings, but the problem is that it is driving at 50 kph while all the codexes doing the heavy lifting are going at 90 kph.

I am looking forward to running monsters with shooting weapons, though. Now you can actually kit a monster with some firepower without fearing the bad touch.

 Togusa wrote:
Could Be Dark Mechanicus.

I really want to see a Necron sized update to tyranids, craftworlds and dark eldar before they start flailing about with starting subfactions from the ground up again.

Voss wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Could Be Dark Mechanicus.

I really want to see a Necron sized update to tyranids, craftworlds and dark eldar before they start flailing about with starting subfactions from the ground up again.

You should probably make a head start of being disappointed then.

 Overread wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

I was chatting with my GW store manager the other day, and he said he hasn't sold a tyranid kit in 15 months. The army just doesn't sell. Maybe it needs an update or just to be squatted.

That or the legions of fans are waiting for something new and aren't buying. Or you just don't have any Tyranid fans or your manager isn't pushing/encouraging Tyranids hard enough during selling.

Heck barring a few annoyances like split heads on gaunts, Tyranids are one of the best Xenos armies in terms of models right now. They've only a handful of models still in finecast and 2 new kits could remove the regular units and 3 would remove the 1 oustanding hero in finecast (Red Terror). That's a better position than most of the other Xenos forces. So yeah I'd say Tyranids are safe.

Don't get me wrong, I played Nids for a while in 8th. They started out fairly strong, but by the time PA had started up, they dried up. I wouldn't just lose, it was a crushing loss every single time I played, even when I was cheesing it up to high heavens.

One of the biggest issues for me was that running my "CC units" wasn't worth it, most of the time my carnifexes were hitting on a 4+ which is just insane for something that is suppsed to be a dedicated melee monster. I think overall the army needs some new kits and needs to have it's rules heavily examined. They need a gimmick like everyone else has. synapes for moral was worthless mostly due to the fact that moral tests almost never seem to matter in this game for anything.

 General Kroll wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Could Be Dark Mechanicus.

I really want to see a Necron sized update to tyranids, craftworlds and dark eldar before they start flailing about with starting subfactions from the ground up again.

You should probably make a head start of being disappointed then.

Eh. The Necron update is far, far larger than I would have expected at any point this century, and they haven't done much with dark mech or other subfactions except sit on some throwaway models in BSF. There are a lot of reasons they could make progress on the major xenos lines in the next couple years. Necrons and the Silent King inherently tie into the tyranid and eldar background, and they've faffed about with the Ynnari non-story for long enough.

it could also be something Slaanesh, attaching skin to cables sounds Slaaneshy and with that it could be drukhari as well, just not sure if the drukhari use those kind of cables

I dont know, the structure dont make sense as wings; the organic parts dont connect as wings should, and the middle "cable" extend to long
Also, the dark straight section along the pictures left edge looks like something more scenery or vehicle rather than infantry or monster.
Makes it look more like a weird chaotic sail attached to a mast or wall. But that dont make any sense at all.
Perhaps its just a bad concept for a daemon engine wing after all.

I'm sceptical of it being a wing as well. But the powerfist and piping.points to this being some sort of chaos piece as well.

Personally hope its a daemon prince because I can not stand the current version.

Someone over at War of Sigmar referred to an old Adrian Smith illustration of a Nurgle Daemon Prince with somehow similar wings (much rather bones than tubes, but ...):

Oooh I like it!

fingers crossed it's this

If this isn't belligerently a plastic Lelith Hesperax, then I'm a Drukhari's Uncle.


Now with model for comparison

Dearly hope the speculation linking Dark Eldar to EC pans out, but either way, the old Lelith model is a classic and I hope this one lives up to its legacy

Lelith confirmed.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Lelith confirmed.

still not confirmed, but highly likely. GW can still take elements of the current Lelith sculpt and apply them to a different army

Does look very much like bits from a plastic Lelith, and she’s in the finecast range so would make sense to see her replaced.

I'm also betting on Lelith.

But just to speculate, the only other Aelf model with chain hair is the Tenebrael shard, who looks like he'll be part of the Khanite stalkers. We haven't seen every model in that warband so its still possible that the hair could be for him.


But it's probably Lelith

Shadowstalkers are different to the Tenebrael Shard, who alongside of the Mistweaver Saih, is Shadowkin...

Or at least that's what was implied early on. The Shadowkin are Malerion's creations. Shadowstalkers are Aelves that are sworn to Morathi but not part of her Daughters of Khaine faction.

Return of Lelith suggests a Dark Eldar wave of releases coming? Or could GW maybe finally have decided to do Ynnari?

You know, it is probably Ynnari now that you say that. They received nothing, not even an article about them in the lead up, and GW didn't even comment when people asked. She also works for the Ynnari now. I am just not going to be surprised if Ynnari could possibly get an update as it's own range all of the sudden to combat the Necrons. They are mentioned by name in the Piraha.

Yes, Ynnari have been pushed hard in the PA lore, right from the beginning. Would be nice to actually see them fleshed out for real.

Would suck for DE players tought. I mean can you imagine being told that one of your armies only three named characters is being re done.. for another army?

Its about as great as being a Harlequin player and their first ever named character is a sidekick for a sisters release

strigops wrote:
Would suck for DE players tought. I mean can you imagine being told that one of your armies only three named characters is being re done.. for another army?

Best case is just give her both faction keywords. I am looking forwards to the redesign though. Nearly all of the redone named characters have kept to the spirit of the original while improving the technical side of the sculpt.

Kind of missed opportunity for the rumor engine not to focus on Leliths scenic base.
Or maybe they did, and we just missed it

 Gremore wrote:



If this isn't belligerently a plastic Lelith Hesperax, then I'm a Drukhari's Uncle.


Now with model for comparison

Yeah, there is no question. That's Lilith.

So, dark eldar release in the fall?

I think we're already past fall releases.

Necrons, Deathwatch, Space Marines, plus Cow Elves proper, Giants, a whack of various specialist games stuff that's been long delayed.

They'd be a very good candidate for an Soon update, though. They just got a kicking they really didn't deserve, a pile of Citadel Finecast that needs to disposed of, and thin FOC slots that need some real love.

Deathwatch is getting models? News to me, is there a source on that?

 Togusa wrote:
Deathwatch is getting models? News to me, is there a source on that?

No idea on models. Just one of the GW streams saying they're coming 'early-ish'

A new Lelith is good. I wouldn't mind her for my Dark Eldar.

Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

Because heaven forbid a faction that has lost about 80% of it's HQ options and wargear actually get new units.

Currently, the entire DE codex comprises fewer models than the HQ section of the SM codex, and they haven't had a new unit in over a decade. But that's okay, GW, just keep vomiting out new Primaris models. That never gets old.

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Best Case Scenario: GW releases plastic versions of all the current DE resin units (Mandrakes, Grotesques, Beastmasters, Clawed Fiends, Razorwings, Ur-Ghuls, Urien, Sslyths, Lhamaeans, Khymerae and Medusae).

More Likely Solution: They ignore them completely and release a bunch of new units with dumb Adjective Nounverb names.

A resin purge of the Dark Eldar line would be well appreciated, but Ynnari seem more likely (first time for everything, huh?)

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
A resin purge of the Dark Eldar line would be well appreciated, but Ynnari seem more likely (first time for everything, huh?)

One of the things that was getting bandied about as a rumor was that Ynnari would be getting a "crossfaction" component to any potential faction range they got.

I'm wondering if that might be how/why more new Aspects have taken some time to happen? Might be that Ynnari ends up being a supplement book for both Asuryani and Drukhari.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

 vipoid wrote:
Why?

GW ain't in the business of making resin anymore. Haven't you noticed that their releases are plastic these days except for some very specific exceptions (like Severina Raine).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Best Case Scenario: GW releases plastic versions of all the current DE resin units (Mandrakes, Grotesques, Beastmasters, Clawed Fiends, Razorwings, Ur-Ghuls, Urien, Sslyths, Lhamaeans, Khymerae and Medusae).

More Likely Solution: They ignore them completely and release a bunch of new units with dumb Adjective Nounverb names.

Ur Ghuls already have a plastic model, thanks to blackstone fortress. But DE are in a bit of an odd spot in that they have 2 units left that need plastic kits (grotesques especially, mandrakes a bit less so) and then a ton of essentially characters.

Sort of depends on how big a release DE will see next.

I still think they should bump ur-ghuls from court to beastmasters and expand that concept.
A weird haemonculi with truly outre' experiments, and more stuff from the dark corners of the city.

Integrate additional elite stuff (cults like incubi... but functional for the current edition) and expand the variety available to different HQs.

I would love for plastic Mandrakes to be coming. I have considered converting some of the Sea Elf dudes to Mandrakes, but a new kit would be much better. I would prefer if they were remaking Lelith that they would do more kits to go with her. Also, go ahead and give us a Phoenix Lord alongside a plastic remake of one of the Aspect Warrior squads while we are at it. It worked for Drazhar and the Incubi and Howling Banshees and...whatever their Phoenix Lord's name is.

Bah, Drukhari can get an upgrade sprue like us poor marine players.
2 uniqe heads, a fancy sword and then you have it, all your options are set.

Both Craftworlders and Dark Eldar are in a tricky position. If their wave consists of just or mostly plastic remakes, then people will complain that there is not enough new stuff. If they mostly add more new stuff, people will complain about how many remaining resin units there are.

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

GW have made it more than clear they want to shut down finecast production sooner rather than later - it was a failed idea and the business wants everything plastic.

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive. I take any attention to the Dark Eldar line as a good thing, as you should as well, bc if plastic Incubi, Drazhar, and Lelith gets me any closer to plastic Grotesques I'll be a happy man.

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

It's been established for a while that GW wants to get to all plastic. I'm not surprised they would rather re-do a finecast character in plastic than make a new one.

Part of the reason GW went with finecast was an attempt to have a resin that was safe that they could cast like a metal with their current machines and moulds - it basically didn't work.

The thing is GW has the plastic technology and plastic production is FAST. Resin production is far slower and more labour intensive. Basically because GW has all the plastic casting equipment in house (including mould production) and they have a massive market; its affordable and easier for them to go the path of plastic rather than have resin for the mass market.

It's ok for something on the side, but as a main-like product its just not as good for them.


Plus GW has really pushed plastics, whilst they still don't beat resin for fine detail and for some angles and part designs; GW has some very advanced parting design staff and some very neat ways to make plastic models now. The quality is more than good enough for tabletop battles. So its just easier for GW to go fully toward plastic.


Furthermore plastic is easy to teach to newbies and they "get it". Resin introduces a few new steps and whilst nothing is super complex it is another aspect for newer people.



Also don't forget finecast was always a stop-gap material introduced because metal prices were going up and down and left and right and generally being very hard for GW to work with at the scale they produce it. And whilst the price was jumping around it was continually going up in general.



Smaller firms like resin and metal because its cheaper for them to get started with when they don't have a massive global market. Sure many would love plastic, but its just not affordable for them. Meanwhile casting in China comes with its own rafter of issues from staff now as well trained/experienced with models as GW; through to quality control issues

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

Ok so really you're just miffed that Dark Eldar aren't getting anything brand spanking new and that's all you really care to talk about. If you wanna be disappointed, knock yourself out.

Is it just me or do Lelith's hair-hooks look better done in her old than in the new model? Her new hair kinda looks like octopus tentacles with hooks, kinda like a colossal squid's.

Of course it's to early to really say, with just a fragment of the whole picture.

 Overread wrote:
Part of the reason GW went with finecast was an attempt to have a resin that was safe that they could cast like a metal with their current machines and moulds - it basically didn't work.

The thing is GW has the plastic technology and plastic production is FAST. Resin production is far slower and more labour intensive. Basically because GW has all the plastic casting equipment in house (including mould production) and they have a massive market; its affordable and easier for them to go the path of plastic rather than have resin for the mass market.

It's ok for something on the side, but as a main-like product its just not as good for them.

Ah, I see.

Thank you for explaining that.

 Gremore wrote:

Ok so really you're just miffed that Dark Eldar aren't getting anything brand spanking new and that's all you really care to talk about. If you wanna be disappointed, knock yourself out.

I don't *want* to be disappointed, it's just that GW seems intent on doing just that.

What's more, I'll point out that it's not merely the lack of new units but the fact that so many units were also removed from the DE codex.

Furthermore, I note that you seem to be sidestepping my actual question. You claimed that a replacement Lelith model and new DE units weren't mutually exclusive, yet when I asked if you had a shred of evidence for the latter existing, all you could do was snap at me. I'll assume then that you have zero evidence for DE getting anything other than remakes of existing models. Because as we both know, if GW actually intended to give DE new units, then they'd be showing those off rather than bragging about yet another re-sculpt of an existing model.

 vipoid wrote:
Furthermore, I note that you seem to be sidestepping my actual question. You claimed that a replacement Lelith model and new DE units weren't mutually exclusive, yet when I asked if you had a shred of evidence for the latter existing, all you could do was snap at me. I'll assume then that you have zero evidence for DE getting anything other than remakes of existing models. Because as we both know, if GW actually intended to give DE new units, then they'd be showing those off rather than bragging about yet another re-sculpt of an existing model.

Let's stay honest here, GW isn't bragging about a new sculpt for an existing model; the identity of the existing model is not even officially confirmed.
If more DE units will be resculpted, maybe they will just be that unit, maybe they will make them combined kits for some new units, such as with some of the new Sisters of Battle. It's probably fair to say that a new kit with two build options is a more likely way for the DE to get new units than completely out of the blue. We don't know if there will be any additional new sculpts at all though. We can only hope. And we don't know if there will be multiple units that can be built from hypothetical new kits. But, we can hope.

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

Because heaven forbid a faction that has lost about 80% of it's HQ options and wargear actually get new units.

Currently, the entire DE codex comprises fewer models than the HQ section of the SM codex, and they haven't had a new unit in over a decade. But that's okay, GW, just keep vomiting out new Primaris models. That never gets old.

4Chan posted a rumor last night (I'm looking for the source) that says she'll be in another boxset like Drazar was last year with a brand new eldar unit vs. white scars marines. If I can find a verification for it, I will let you know.

That's some Admech gunnery if I've ever seen it. If it isn't an addition to the Admech fold, it's an Admech Blackstone Fortress model. I'd bet my toaster on this.

IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Could be inquistor or rogue trader related

 zedmeister wrote:
Could be inquistor or rogue trader related

Aren't we still waiting for Kill Team: Inquisitor?

Could be a Necromunda weapon.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

It's starting to look like there's a character for every army on the way.

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
IIRC Blackstone fortress is concluded. Hoping that this is a skitarii hq.

Agreed. Or a Subdomina or something.

There's also a servo-skull in the AdMech style rumor engine that's unsolved.

It's starting to look like there's a character for every army on the way.

Character or something, yeah.

you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Could be something for Necromunda?

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

Yeah that must be it. For some reason I thought there were more. In either case, I think it would be a cool thing to do, but could just be my wishlisting.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

40k doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same sadly, you'd need Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Nids/GSC, Aeldari, Tau, Necron at the very least.

Dudeface wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gremore wrote:
you know I was just thinking about what AoS did some time ago, where they released an HQ for a few armies all at once (I think it was a Chaos Warrior character, a Sigmarite character, an a Nighthaunt character, maybe more?) and I think that'd be a cool way to give a little to everyone in between waiting for books and things.

Do you mean the Malign Portents characters?

Each of the Grand Alliances got one(Chaos got the Darkoath Warqueen, Order got the Stormcast Architect, Death got the Knight of Shrouds, Destruction got the Gobbo Prophet with a Mushroom Hat) as part of an event.

40k doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same sadly, you'd need Imperium, Chaos, Orks, Nids/GSC, Aeldari, Tau, Necron at the very least.

Honestly, we got a lot more via Psychic Awakening than people like to acknowledge.

Aeldari saw two characters(Jain Zar and Drazhar), GSC saw their last character(Kelermorph) see a generic release, Necrons would have gotten Szeras back in April or May before the announcement of 9th if COVID had not happened, Chaos saw their Sorcerer get updated to match the rest of the range rework, Imperium saw the new Inquisitor model(plus various subfaction stuff), Tau got a new Shadowsun, Orks got Ghazghkull...and that's not even going into Vigilus!

While 40k "doesn't fit into nice neat umbrellas quite the same", nor does AoS.

GW could keep doing some of the battle boxes to add new characters and new units without needing a full codex release. Shadowspear, Blood of the Phoenix and Saga of the Beast battle boxes all added new character models. It wouldn't take too much investment to add a couple new models to a box set to help push some older models.

Hottake:
I'm wondering if they might be planning on doing some more Shadowspear and Indomitus style boxes with ETB for other factions, plus some new plastic characters.

Might sound goofy, but having ETB units likely makes factions a bit more appealing to people starting out. Plus it can be used to make Start Collecting or 'Expanding From Here...' sets down the road.

I was wondering if the marine side of the starter set might actually be more Imperial - with a mix of different Imperial factions as opponents for the first strike/know no fear sizes.

Marine: Dark Imperium/Sisters: Now no fear/Admech: First strike starter sets, that come together for some kind of Crusade.

Maybe with other enemies instead of Necrons too.

That doesn't really work as much this edition since they have hard-capped detachments based on point levels.

I genuinely don't know where they're going with concepts. Maybe more stuff like Indomitus, where there's a Core Rulebook, two good-sized chunks of a starting set in ETB as a Battlebox then the chunks going into making Start Collectings bigger?

I want it to be a new human release for Cities of Sigmar, but its quite obviously a skitarii style gun. :(

Hm these rumors look a bit to easy these days.

I’m thinking more rogue trader or inquisitor retinue than skitaarii.

 vipoid wrote:

 Gremore wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Oh good, Dark Eldar are getting another remake of a perfectly functional existing model.

It's resin. It has to go.

Why?

For one, I'm not sure if you tried putting together the finecast models, but there's a reason they're oh-so-lovingly called Failcast. For two, as has been stated, GW has made a hard push for YEARS away from their resin models that don't come from Forgeworld bc of how poorly it went.

Yeah, I get it. Failcast was awful.

However, i fail to see why that necessitates plastic. Is there a reason GW can't just use better quality resin?

 Gremore wrote:

And finally, no one said that a plastic Lelith and newer units were mutually exclusive.

So show me the new units.

No one wants resin dude. I've seen it hundreds of times at the FLGS. A patron finds out the model is in resin and they just sigh and say "No thanks." Hell, I do it myself. Especially after learning the hard way from playing HH. Hardplastic is much better, higher quality and the way forward. Why are you so uspet about Lilith getting remade in plastic? Why is that a bad thing?

 Fayric wrote:
I want it to be a new human release for Cities of Sigmar, but its quite obviously a skitarii style gun. :(

Hm these rumors look a bit to easy these days.

well I agree the gun looks ad mech made, but it doesn't have to be ad mech. It could be an inquisitor or rogue trader

I half want it to be a Ventrillian Nobles IG kit. At least it wouldn't be the ugly Cadians.

Probably Admech tho.

I couldn’t seem to get it to upload but it’s looks like someone has painted pics of the rumor engine from earlier of the Death Guard Daemon prince wings on the Death Guard Facebook page!

It’s on the Community page in the video I believe.
Wasn’t a daemon prince though was it?

Ok was able to get the pics uploaded. Its definately Nurgle ( hence the green armor) not sure if a DP but you can see the rumor pic here.

Yeah that’s from the video. It’s regular sized infantry.
By the hand and foot.

It does leave the mystery of what they are though. Not likely DG havocs id think. Maybe a character?

Looking at the symbol on the weapon it's probably a heavily armoured Chaos Squat. With those cables/mechadendrites some kind of engineer - we should expect Chaos androids in the near future.

Probably one of the other "Mantle" holders in the Death Guard - e..g the Lord of Contagion wears the "Mantle of Contagion", but the codex already mentioned others e.g. Mantles of Pox, Flux, etc. It's definitely not a DP, you can tell by the size of the battle damage on the foot.

Its clearly Death Guard armor.

Its likely a DG lieutenant- that seems to be the new theme for this round SM Lts, Sister's Palantine, royal warden, etc...

From what we have so far and GW naming conventions my best bet is Dripwing (Anti?)Vaccineblaster

Squawk

BIRB!

No idea what it might be for? Keys are associated with Bright Wizards, or at least they were in Oldhammer.

its the return of mordheim. Or more likely its something for death

Keys are also on the Fyreslayers and the old world Duardin had an affinity with ravens.

I would hope for new AoS terrain but it's probably just a base doodad

Let's see, who uses and abundance of Raven motifs and keys?

Dark Angels.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Let's see, who uses and abundance of Raven motifs and keys?

Dark Angels.

No cyber bits, can't be Dark Angels.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Let's see, who uses and abundance of Raven motifs and keys?

Dark Angels.

No cyber bits, can't be Dark Angels.

That's just what they want you to think.

The bird seems to be carrying a key, most likely an Age of Sigmar thing. Their key fetish is akin to 40k's obsession with skulls.

Warhammer quest

Could be something as trivial as a base decoration on a gargant, or something as major as a base decoration on Malerion.

Primaris Njall Stormbringer (sp?) for Space Wolves?

Doesn't he have a raven he can throw at you.

Psyber Raven, so probs not Nigel.

Corvus Corax and Raven Guard only have "Raven" in it 3 times so probably not related -more likely DA I suppose

I bet its for AoS/Warcry though. Perhaps we will finally see the return of pidgeon bombs as well.

old world Duardin

You surely meant Dwarfs/Dawi

AOS for sure. Undead maybe?

Possibly Flesh Eater Courts?

Reminds me of the Underworlds Ghoul leader halberd.

I'll say undead too, about time for another shadespire undead warband?

I’d learn towards regular undead on that one over FEC and ghosts.
The style and wearing on it makes me think it will be a new hero sadly and not a new unit.


Can we just get plastic blood knights though?
£62 for 5 failcast knights is an easy skip.

agreed, looks undead

Looks a bit too 'rusty', but dark elf black guard have pretty similar halberds, too.

There have been some rumblings in lore and things dropped recently that insinuate there are more dark elf factions out there than what we've seen, so that wouldn't be a far cry.

But as you said the rusty look has me still leaning undead.

The new halabard seems very similar in terms of being beaten-up to the one from the Underworlds warband. I wonder how It's related to the other FEC-looking rumour engine, the one with the greatsword.

Undead men-at arms perhaps? Either for soul blight or FEC?
Could fit the rumoured Undead Fantasy Quest ?

How about undead dark elfs then.
Vampire darkelf pirates!
They would not even have to update the design

 Fayric wrote:
How about undead dark elfs then.
Vampire darkelf pirates!
They would not even have to update the design

Ahah, the blood runs cold!

I’m honestly still waiting for vampire coast stuff from the game.

Sadly though I doubt we will see a new army again soon, especially another death faction.
Loads of potential but OBR are still relatively new to death as it is.
There are also several armies that need some love too.

Would be very pleased with some new additions to the FEC range, they have a lot of fun lore that is in dire need of physical representation.

Soulblight would be equally delightful, I'd even settle for a Warcry warband if it meant a plastic vampire lord and some thralls

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Would be very pleased with some new additions to the FEC range, they have a lot of fun lore that is in dire need of physical representation.

Soulblight would be equally delightful, I'd even settle for a Warcry warband if it meant a plastic vampire lord and some thralls

Honestly as much as I know it most likely won't happen, i would an unit of ghouls with actual weaponry.

Jackal90 wrote:
I’m honestly still waiting for vampire coast stuff from the game.

Sadly though I doubt we will see a new army again soon, especially another death faction.
Loads of potential but OBR are still relatively new to death as it is.
There are also several armies that need some love too.

That's going to be quite a long wait I imagine. Although the "Vampirates" could easily exist within the AoS setting, they've so far only been a thing in the former Warhammer Fantasy setting as far as I'm aware, and a minor thing at that. That said, I'd love to see a dedicated range for them one day - vampire and zombie pirates are simply fun, and hard plastic crabs could look amazing. Maybe they'd overlap too much with the new aquatic Elves, though they could equally make for an interesting nemesis for them in the lore. And they are lacking in pirate hats, guns and large crabs. At the same time, they may simply not be original enough for the AoS setting, which means they are more likely to be a possible future addition to the revamped Warhammer Fantasy - so maybe sometime later this decade..?

It would be nice if there could be Order or Destruction aligned Undead, instead of Death. I mean I know Nagash is supposed to think he has all undead under his sway and so far that’s true, even extending to a few technically living goobers like the FEC, but wouldn’t it be a shock if he didn’t? Not just to Nagash either.

And yes, vampirates with zombie crews modelled after the Cursed crew of the Black Pearl and/or the Flying Dutchman under Davy Jones would be amazing. In either Warhammer setting.

Might also be part of a new Chaos Warrior kit? The halberds from the upgrade pack are pretty similar, including the battle damage. Would be weird as right now there's the newish Start Collecting box alongside the old kit, but the warscroll has a halberd option that the SC box doesn't provide ...?

It’s a jaw of some kind. Possibly bone?

Could it be a living axe?



tell me it's so

Yeah, looks like a bone weapon of some kind, fairly big given the scale of the brushstrokes, so I’m thinking either Sons of Behemat (but we’ve already seen them) or maybe something for the new season of Underworlds?

Mega Lictor? Upper right corner looks like the air vent holes present on many Tyranid heads

Bone squig?


Looks somewhat reminiscent of the big 'ol shoulder pad the orc boss has. Definite orky vibes too it.

King Brodd's crown.

Tyranids maybe?

I feel Nids more have needle teeth?

Could be an Orc?

It *could* be snakebite related. We know at least one snakebite ork is coming, so maybe they're gonna get a lot more (or, it's just a single character that'll be part of an army bundle)

I'd give a gold toof for a cyboar unit.

Well it's defineatly not a skull since it seems to have a still-intact eye. Or maybe that's the head of a nail? Gak GW why does this one gotta be so confusing.

 GaroRobe wrote:
It *could* be snakebite related. We know at least one snakebite ork is coming, so maybe they're gonna get a lot more (or, it's just a single character that'll be part of an army bundle)

Honestly, I think there's more for Snakebite coming than we think.

 GaroRobe wrote:
We know at least one snakebite ork is coming...

Do we? How do we know that?

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
We know at least one snakebite ork is coming...

Do we? How do we know that?

From that video teaser a few weeks ago, that also showed off Lelith, ad mech person, and the new sister. The ork is shirtless, has some form of squig/animal hide on his back, and his gun has an icon with two fangs. Although their icon is usually a snake, I figure the two fangs is also a reference to them. (Although the melee weapon has a red fang as well, so maybe the Red Fangs are another ork-y thing.)

That's the "Bad" glyph, not a Snakebite one. I did not get a Snakebite vibe from him, he looked more like a generic Nob sized "modern" Ork sculpt (like the buggy crews) to me.

Judging by the size of that I’d say behemat teaser or maybe OBR are getting a new critter.

outside (very outside) chance it could be revamped temple guard for Seraphon/ something from what ever warcry or shadespire warband they are seemingly gonna get.

Endless Spells 3: Yet More Floating Skulls

I think the new toothy boy is in fact a tyranid. Likely the long rumored plastic bio/pyrovore kit. They have big chunky teeth and small beady eyes. Also the brain holes seem very nidlike.

StarHunter25 wrote:
I think the new toothy boy is in fact a tyranid. Likely the long rumored plastic bio/pyrovore kit. They have big chunky teeth and small beady eyes. Also the brain holes seem very nidlike.

Isn't it a bit too large for a Biovore? Besides, if it was a Tyranid it would have one of those Tyranid chitin platings on top of it's head.

The image from 23 June 2020 is a Nurgle terminator if ever I've seen one. Those look very similar to the exhaust on the one plague marine, and the cleaner lines of the shape under them looks like the top of the old terminators, from the back. The Blightlord Termi's are unavailable right now too... new kit maybe.


Also, I'm a fan of the living axe theory for the latest image. Could be something squiggling related too, but there's not enough teeth.

It might be a new sprue added to the Blightlord Terminators, but unavailability does not point to much right now. Everything is getting reboxed at some point and if stuff has sold through it's likely to get redone then.

TGG wrote:
The image from 23 June 2020 is a Nurgle terminator if ever I've seen one. Those look very similar to the exhaust on the one plague marine, and the cleaner lines of the shape under them looks like the top of the old terminators, from the back. The Blightlord Termi's are unavailable right now too... new kit maybe.

Spoiler:

Also, I'm a fan of the living axe theory for the latest image. Could be something squiggling related too, but there's not enough teeth.

I think the Nurgle one is the same model as the one in the "New Edition, New Models" trailer, the one with the big Plague spewer and the weird cape made of cables.

Yea it probably would be a new character model rather than a whole new kit for the unit. I forgot about that new model preview

That Blightlord kit is also way too new for them to redo yet.
Character makes sense.

Although I have like what 12 different character models for DG, there’s a lot out there now.
A WE or EC character would have been pretty cool.

Character makes sense, but "way too new for them to redo" doesn't mean they wouldn't add a new sprue into the box.

Just throwing that out there. It's what they did with the Knight kit.

Depending on the scale, which is not clear from the photograph, it could be the back of the model wearing the weird cloak with the pipes and the power fist that we have seen hints of in other media.

Anything about that new giant faction for age of sigmar?

was a prev of it on the community site before the shutdown and since then not a single word....

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
Anything about that new giant faction for age of sigmar?

was a prev of it on the community site before the shutdown and since then not a single word....

There's not much to really say about the new Giants since we've seen all three new variations of the same kit. Might be we get a preview of the stats in the upcoming Preview, but beyond that there's nothing else to really show off or talk about. Lumineth still haven't had their full range release yet, which is probably why they've gone dark.

Rumour is they will be the month after Lumineth so probably October.

Its a mummyfied dinosaur for the new warhammer quest set in a seraphon temple labyrinth.

Seems to be pointing towards more FEC

That defo looks vampiric.

Definitely ded boi with live skull grenade.

Could be Necrarch?

With what looks like only 1 eye socket, that looks like a Plague bearer skull. The hand holding it though looks very vampiric/FEC.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
With what looks like only 1 eye socket, that looks like a Plague bearer skull. The hand holding it though looks very vampiric/FEC.

not sure if its one eyed, the eyehole looks like its at the normal left position and the right eye is just hinden behind the smoke

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be Necrarch?

That's what I was thinking.
the wrist is too thin and the hand/fingers too elongated for a regular vamp. Also doesn't match up with the ghoul kings.

My first thought was maybe a plastic Mourngal, but it doesn't look big enough judging by the skull it's holding. So yeah, I reckon either a Necrarch or somesuch.

Could be a new character class for FEC, a dedicated caster perhaps?

I'm leaning towards Nighthaunt of some kind. Would be an interesting way to bring a 'ranged 'unit' in, hucking burning skulls at folks.

That is one very thin arm - thinner than any ghoul sculpts have, and the nails look even longer than those normally have too.

Mandible is also of interest, as it looks quite elongated to me eyes. And if there’s one thing GW are versed in, its getting skulls right?

While the hand definitely looks vampiric... the first thing I noticed was that the skull and smoke/flame(?) together form the symbol of Tzeentch. New daemon model perhaps?

Kanluwen wrote:hucking burning skulls at folks.

Ugh. Made me think of the Slavering Ghoul from Darkest Dungeon. He throws skulls and it's not bloody fun.

Super Ready wrote:together form the symbol of Tzeentch. New daemon model perhaps?

The apparent cyclopean nature of the skull might suggest Plaguebearer, but not visible horn. And as Mad Doc pointed out, the distended mandible is unusual.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And if there’s one thing GW are versed in, its getting skulls right?

Trainee sculptor who hasn't got the hang of them yet, maybe?

Right now there are two armies that are surprising in their absence - Shadow Aelves and Soulblight - ergo Vampires. I could see this easily being from Death and being either a new Flesh Eater model or perhaps the start of a Vampire army.

I’m not sure the design is pronounced enough to be Tzeentch’s symbol?

Could still just be standard whispy smoke?

I don't think the mandible is distended, rather it's blending with smoke.

Also not seeing the 'cyclopean' bit. Eyesocket looks right for a human or aelf skull.

Yeah it looks like sort of blending to me.
One eye hidden but would be there..

Huh. Definitely looks like a single large eyesocket over a nasal bridge to me.

The Owl is confirmed to be from the new Underworlds boxset.
Also, the lizardmen glyph is almost definitely related to that skink tease

The spiked boot, mace, tasselled spike and tentacled gem staff thing were all revealed with the DoK and Slaanesh characters.









(Spiked boot was July 2019!)

Well, spiked boot wasn't something Aelfy...

Shame.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Well, spiked boot wasn't something Aelfy...

Shame.

But there are still aelves coming in the same box as the boot

Blimey, those are fantastic. Between this and Underworlds, I'm feeling even more cheated that Slaanesh-specific mortals were left out of the Battletome

But at least we know the cues to look for should they pop up in the Engine

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Blimey, those are fantastic. Between this and Underworlds, I'm feeling even more cheated that Slaanesh-specific mortals were left out of the Battletome

But at least we know the cues to look for should they pop up in the Engine

Same here.

I hope we will get something proper in 2021.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Blimey, those are fantastic. Between this and Underworlds, I'm feeling even more cheated that Slaanesh-specific mortals were left out of the Battletome

But at least we know the cues to look for should they pop up in the Engine

You mean elegantly styled brutal weapons and outrageously blingy footwear? Seems legit.

Witch Hunter for AoS?

it could be for cities, but witch hunters would be cool.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Witch Hunter for AoS?

Goblin sky pirates

 Theophony wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Witch Hunter for AoS?

Goblin sky pirates

Riding inflatable squigs

Whoever is holding it, he's blinged out enough to have rings on his fingers.

I say aos for this one

terry wrote:
it could be for cities, but witch hunters would be cool.

They're the same thing.
Devoted of Sigmar is the faction where Witch Hunters were prior to the book. Devoted is now in Cities of Sigmar.

It's likely a Freeguild Captain character or something of that ilk.

Cities of Sigmar for Underworlds is my guess, be that, or at least a Order Human model - whether that's CoS races, Temple of Sigmar, something 'normal'.

Hmm. With all the other vampire-esk rumour engines, and stuff like the crab claw... dare I say something akin to Vampirecoast?

Probably vampire coast stuff, but I would LOVE a new witch hunter model or just any new Cities human.

Witch hunters and warrior priests are pretty iconic warhammer fantasy and they are just about nonexistant in AoS.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Whoever is holding it, he's blinged out enough to have rings on his fingers.

Its the Dandy Highwayman!
Stand and deliver your money or your life. Hoh!

I still have money on a new AoS Quest game.

Sounds feasible. Could also be for Underworlds or WarCry though?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I still have money on a new AoS Quest game.

I think if that were happening, we would have seen it in the previews from Saturday. Supposedly that was GenCon and Nova rolled into one.

I really hope this is for a Witch Hunter, Cities of Sigmar, or Vampire Coast. I'm getting really tired of Ad Mech pistols being previewed........yes, I know there has only been a couple, but it feels like every other week.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I really hope this is for a Witch Hunter, Cities of Sigmar, or Vampire Coast. I'm getting really tired of Ad Mech pistols being previewed........yes, I know there has only been a couple, but it feels like every other week.

It can't be Admech, they don't have flintlocks

Reminded me a lot of the Rogue Trader's pistols, but that flintlock puts it out of the reach of any of that style of things.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I really hope this is for a Witch Hunter, Cities of Sigmar, or Vampire Coast. I'm getting really tired of Ad Mech pistols being previewed........yes, I know there has only been a couple, but it feels like every other week.

It can't be Admech, they don't have flintlocks

Good point, didn’t notice that. Well that certainly makes me happy.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I really hope this is for a Witch Hunter, Cities of Sigmar, or Vampire Coast. I'm getting really tired of Ad Mech pistols being previewed........yes, I know there has only been a couple, but it feels like every other week.

It can't be Admech, they don't have flintlocks

But do they have.... Blackstone-Locks?

Eh. Its probably for Sigmar. But I can't entirely rule out goofy Macguffin powder for 40k. Not with the current recurring appearances of revolvers, cyber-cowboys and 'wild west' shoot-out characters.


...And now I want Cyboars back. With Snakebites in cowboy hats.

Looks like Orks on the menu boys. I'd assume this is a continued sneak peek of the Ork character teased in the video that revealed the upcoming sisters, admech, and drukhari (Lelith) characters.

OR, complete different direction... Necromunda? BloodBowl?

Is defo a rippyfist of some kind.

Not sure it’s Orkney though? Looks off.

if.its not ork, it must be catachan.

Yeah this is not an ork. It looks more like a Necromunda Servo Claw similar in style what was previewed for the Escher but not released yet. My first thought was Cawdor but I don't know. The hand though does definitively not look like an Ork hand and there are no claws/nails. And I think the color of the paintjob is to pale for ork flesh.




I don't know how to make the image work.

Anon052 wrote:
Yeah this is not an ork. It looks more like a Necromunda Servo Claw similar in style what was previewed for the Escher but not released yet. My first thought was Cawdor but I don't know. The hand though does definitively not look like an Ork hand.

I don't think the proportions work for the weedy necromunda humans

Looks more like a climbing aid than a weapon?

Maybe dwarf? Thinking the proportion of the hand and the engineered quality of it. [me? clutching at straws...? Never..!]

Thinking something for Warcry/killteam.

 Gremore wrote:


Looks like Orks on the menu boys. I'd assume this is a continued sneak peek of the Ork character teased in the video that revealed the upcoming sisters, admech, and drukhari (Lelith) characters.

OR, complete different direction... Necromunda? BloodBowl?

I'm inclined to go with ork. But it can't be the guy we saw in the trailer, since we saw both a gun and a melee weapon in his hands (unless the kit actually has multiple options.) I'm going to say Ork Kommandos. It's an old kit that needs an update.

Blades look too uniform to be Orkish imo.

New Orks are more refine. Look deffkilla Wartrike warboss weapon

Good point. They’re no ‘cleaner’ than these

Landing claw on a plastic Thunder Hawk.

Maybe Snikrot decided to convert his knives into claws?

 Shadox wrote:

Anon052 wrote:
Yeah this is not an ork. It looks more like a Necromunda Servo Claw similar in style what was previewed for the Escher but not released yet. My first thought was Cawdor but I don't know. The hand though does definitively not look like an Ork hand.

I don't think the proportions work for the weedy necromunda humans

I agree it's not an ork, neither does it look human sized. I would have said Ogryn for necromunda, but that box came out a couple weeks ago. Maybe some sort of plastic Goliath berserker? Or a Chaos Ogryn box?

Those painted scratches look relatively small on the claw and it's a complex piece (at a minimum the hand and claws are different parts, but it looks more like each claw is also separate, with the mould split running along the edges) so I think it is something pretty large. If it's an ork, probably warboss sized. If it isn't an ork, then an ogryn seems most likely. It's also just about possible that it's an Age of Sigmar or Bloodbowl thing, which opens up a bunch more options.

We know that there is likely another ork model coming, since there was a previous rumour engine image of an ork style boot (24th December 2019) which doesn't seem to match the ork we saw in the video. I suspect that there will be a bunch of ork characters coming in plastic soon-ish. I'm crossing my fingers that the new claw is for Wazzdakka Gutzmek.

Interestingly, they don’t seem to be bladed anywhere?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Interestingly, they don’t seem to be bladed anywhere?

Interior of the 'hook', leading to the serrated bits.

It's definitely bladed, but it's a weird bladed design that almost looks spider mandible-ish in concept. Whatever the design, it makes me think Van Saar first , Spyrer Rig second, and Armageddon Ork Hunter third.

I think it could be the Van-Saar "Arachni-Rig" Servo-suit. It fits the desription well, it has the right size and it got a Servo-Arm.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Interestingly, they don’t seem to be bladed anywhere?

Interior of the 'hook', leading to the serrated bits.

It's definitely bladed, but it's a weird bladed design that almost looks spider mandible-ish in concept. Whatever the design, it makes me think Van Saar first , Spyrer Rig second, and Armageddon Ork Hunter third.

Still not seeing the blade myself.

Look at the tip and then the interior of the weapon where the serration is. It looks to be a piercing/ripping weapon rather than slashing.

It'll end up being something totally out of left field like Blood Bowl

Maybe. There's a bit of chipping on whatever the wrist mount is for this thing that makes me think Necromunda though.

Wondering if the disc shape near the wrist indicates a pivot point, like the prongs normally lie flush with the forearm?

Maybe. That's why I mentioned it reminds me of a spider's mandibles as they 'snap' forward to grip prey.

I'm calling chaos ogryn for a renegade IG codex.

Hand's too small for an Ogryn, unless the perspective is super weird...but I definitely do think we're going to see renegade IG.

I bet its the Spyre (Spryre?) for necromumnda.

True.....could be a Malcadon I suppose? May be a good ‘Noble House match’ for Van Saar?

 Red Corsair wrote:
I bet its the Spyre (Spryre?) for necromumnda.

We haven't had any suggestion of them just yet.

We do, however, know about this:

Arachni-rigs are massive advanced combat Servo-rigs, that are created by Necronmunda's House Van Saar, which makes heavy use of them due to the physical deficiencies that commonly afflict the House's members. Each rig is an artisan piece, that puts to shame the simple utilitarian forms of mass produced Servo-rigs and are controlled by the wearer's nervous system or via a direct MIU. They are armed with a twin-linked heavy lascarbine and four servo-arms, which give the Arachni-rigs' wearer a spider-like appearance and each one can be replaced with various weapons. Though it is an advanced piece of machinery, it is not uncommon for Van Saar's gangs to wear a Arachni-rig, in their battles within the Underhive.

It's been a thing since "Gangs of the Underhive" as Hangers-On and Brutes. I would have expected it to be a FW piece, but I think GW might be planning a series of 'big' releases for Necromunda in plastic ala the Slave Ogryn and Ambots.

Not saying "NO SPYRERS!"...I just think if they're coming, they won't release them one at a time or as Noble Houses tied to one of the gangs. It'll be a full gang of Spyrers that will make the Enforcers or Ogryns look downright hordey by comparison.

Doesn’t strike me as particularly Van Saar in aesthetic?

I’m probably wrong though. Usually am on rumour engines.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Doesn’t strike me as particularly Van Saar in aesthetic?

I’m probably wrong though. Usually am on rumour engines.

I agree. Doesn’t feel Van Saar at all.

Their servo claws look like this (3rd up, 2nd from right)

I'm curious as to why this doesn't look like an Ork hand. A few things to consider:

- the nails aren't visible, that'd be a dead giveaway.
- we can't tell the colour but from the saturation and comparison to the metal, it's clearly not human flesh of any tone. It's either green, or covered in material like a glove.
- it's been a while since new Ork models were sculpted, this could be the first visible work of a new Ork line that's the work of a new sculptor.

 Super Ready wrote:
I'm curious as to why this doesn't look like an Ork hand. A few things to consider:

- the nails aren't visible, that'd be a dead giveaway.
- we can't tell the colour but from the saturation and comparison to the metal, it's clearly not human flesh of any tone. It's either green, or covered in material like a glove.
- it's been a while since new Ork models were sculpted, this could be the first visible work of a new Ork line that's the work of a new sculptor.

To be fair, you could say the same about this picture. But it was for a Catachan model

It looks like a utilitarian big gripping claw tool, either reworked as a brutal weapon, or part of a rig/bionic arm.
So my guess is either more GSC mining mutants, or Necromunda Pit Slaves (YES!)

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
I'm curious as to why this doesn't look like an Ork hand. A few things to consider:

- the nails aren't visible, that'd be a dead giveaway.
- we can't tell the colour but from the saturation and comparison to the metal, it's clearly not human flesh of any tone. It's either green, or covered in material like a glove.
- it's been a while since new Ork models were sculpted, this could be the first visible work of a new Ork line that's the work of a new sculptor.

To be fair, you could say the same about this picture. But it was for a Catachan model

No claws there.

 Fayric wrote:
Necromunda Pit Slaves

Now there's a high quality guess

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Necromunda Pit Slaves

Now there's a high quality guess

Is it? Didn't we already get them, no?

 Segersgia wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Necromunda Pit Slaves

Now there's a high quality guess

Is it? Didn't we already get them, no?

Spoiler:

The Slaver guild hunting party is not the same as renegade/free pit fighters outlaw gang.

Claw thingy doesn't look "rough" enough for Chaos/Renegades & Heretics. Looks in too good condition.
Same goes for Orks. Not "Orky" enough.

My vote goes for Bloodbowl or something in that vein.

 GaroRobe wrote:
To be fair, you could say the same about this picture. But it was for a Catachan model

Anyone who thought that was in any way shape or form an ork, is delusional.

 Super Ready wrote:
- we can't tell the colour but from the saturation and comparison to the metal, it's clearly not human flesh of any tone. It's either green, or covered in material like a glove.

I think you're wrong about that. I tried adding colour filters (the values are exactly the same) for pink and green skin. The green one doesn't look like a GW ork at all; they use a much sharper colour gradient with stronger contrast. The pink skin however looks like a fairly good match for a somewhat flushed caucasian complexion. That's darker than GW usually does ogryns; I tried a purplish-pink like the official paintjob on the BSF ogryn too and it isn't a great match, but closer than the ork. It seems way too dark for a genestealer and the proportions don't really suggest them either. My best guess at the moment is some kind of ogryn special character.

God I hope it's not some new Catachan weapon...

Could be a Catachan special character, maybe a predator expy/ripoff that carries around a bunch of xenotech taken from fallen foes…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Could be a Catachan special character, maybe a predator expy/ripoff that carries around a bunch of xenotech taken from fallen foes…

Special character? Fine.

But if it's some new "Jungle-Slicer Ripperblade" or some other such nonsense named weapon that is now common to all Catachan units (meaning that everyone who has Catachans now has to get something new), it'll really suck.

It's a new World Eater model.

Oh wait, that's never going to happen.

I'm sure Khorne will have a turn after Slaanesh. There was good money for a while that Khorne would actually get some attention before Slaanesh, but its looking like Slaanesh will get its major mortals update in 2021 if the stuff coming out for fantasy is any indication- and the GW trend so far has been to marry the AoS and 40k Chaos releases.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Could be a Catachan special character, maybe a predator expy/ripoff that carries around a bunch of xenotech taken from fallen foes…

Special character? Fine.

But if it's some new "Jungle-Slicer Ripperblade" or some other such nonsense named weapon that is now common to all Catachan units (meaning that everyone who has Catachans now has to get something new), it'll really suck.

Like a new Catachan troops kit? Because that would be a miracle. If I was a Catachan player or a praying man, I would be praying for a new kit, because those plastics are HIDEOUS.

Though following GW logic they will keep the current plastic troops and make some elite "Catachan Devil-Hunter Clawed Fiends" unit that is armed with only claws and is five models for 50 USD.


All that aside I think this has to do with AoS or one of the side games and not 40k.

Like the "Should we get a new Ork range" thread in 40K General, I have to say "Be careful what you wish for!" when it comes to wanting replacements, even for the hideous Catachan kit.

You maybe get a wonderful, detailed, dynamic and fantastic looking 10-man Catachan kit that somehow costs 150% more than the current kit, and has zero posing options, meaning every squad will look like clones.

They did the Carl Weathers special character figure, maybe a “predator” this time as a promo also themed as a Catchcan.

Or a House of garbage character for Necromunda(I forget the gang name ).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Like the "Should we get a new Ork range" thread in 40K General, I have to say "Be careful what you wish for!" when it comes to wanting replacements, even for the hideous Catachan kit.

You maybe get a wonderful, detailed, dynamic and fantastic looking 10-man Catachan kit that somehow costs 150% more than the current kit, and has zero posing options, meaning every squad will look like clones.

Very true, but with how bad those old Catachans are, I'd consider clones over them (even expensive ones). Though I suppose if they were at 150% cost you might as well look at Victoria Miniatures at the point to replace your infantry. At least then you could have a bit of flexibility in posing and what not.

Yeah at this point, unless playing at GW was literally my only option for gaming, i'd 100% be going 3rd party for Imperial Guard.
Given how much 10 man squad of infantry is realistically going to cost when they get around to revamping the range, and given that an Imperial Guard army is likely to need 60+ infantry, if not more (unless you run tanks), then any IG kit GW releases would have to be absolutely phenomenal in the sculpting/bitz/versatility department.

It will almost certainly end up being more cost effective to go 3rd party. And between Victoria Minis, Mad Robot Miniatures and Anvil Industries (to name but a few), just about any conceivable style and theme has been covered.

 Super Ready wrote:
I'm curious as to why this doesn't look like an Ork hand. A few things to consider:

- the nails aren't visible, that'd be a dead giveaway.
- we can't tell the colour but from the saturation and comparison to the metal, it's clearly not human flesh of any tone. It's either green, or covered in material like a glove.
- it's been a while since new Ork models were sculpted, this could be the first visible work of a new Ork line that's the work of a new sculptor.

To me the crude metal work and brutality of the weapon just scream ORK, I really don't see how anyone is seeing anything else.

The metal also looks more chunky than you'd expect from something like slaves to darkness. That said it could be ork or orruk

Regardless of wheather It's an Ork or not we know for sure It's not the Ork they already teased because that one has a gun in one hand and a choppa in th other one. So unless he's also a Genestealer, he can't also be holding this claw.

Plastic Yarrick?

 Graphite wrote:
Plastic Yarrick?

Yarrick doesn't have a hand to hold the klaw, because the klaw is his hand.

My first thought was a Spyrer for Necromunda, as there is one that has 2 wrist-mounted claws that are curved, but it seems like it might be a bit too crude-looking for a Spyrer.

We had Carl weathers Predator catachan. Maybe sly Stallone Cliffhanger this time?

If it is a weapon I could see it as a sort of climbing claw, s +1 ap -1 1 dam but ignore vertical distance when moving.

I do not get an Ork vibe from that. Ogryn is my guess, I think the hand looks bigger than human size.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Regardless of wheather It's an Ork or not we know for sure It's not the Ork they already teased because that one has a gun in one hand and a choppa in th other one. So unless he's also a Genestealer, he can't also be holding this claw.

I strongly suspect we will get ork-genestealer hybrids at some point. They have been mentioned a few times in the background material. Probably as part of the next 40k WHQ or similar (like Kill Team Rogue Trader), since they are pretty niche.

Ork genestealer hybrids are SUPER rare. Tyranids(from what I remember) don't consider orks generally worth it to assimilate. Also, other orks can easily tell when another is infected since ork culture has no use for the methods usually used by hybrids to hide within society.

Orks also have no issues killing off anyone that "izznt quite right" so the hybrids have a ton of difficulty even staying alive and spreading.

Vampire?