As promised here are the contents of three 250g miscast bags I just received, straight out of the bag
The fighting irish, my favourite bag, I was hoping for one Morannach body, but 3 is fantastic, ideal to make varients as TIm has shown (not a lot else, but then there is not a lot in the line so far)... note the Ysian that sneaked into the bag
Anti-magic rocks and their twisted bearers, not bad, a good opportunity to fix up one of the Magaggs, and buy an arm to get the whole figure, plus more bodies to try converting some alternate poses and another rock (I've bought several separately so far so getting one in here is a plus). While interesting the Gomag legs are probably going to hang around in the bits box as they're just so big
ratty, ratty rats, a couple of gozz horror bodies to play with along with ratty heads from flint fang which should work, plus many, many iron chef's (I've got to be able to fix one up)
so I think I've had my moneys worth from all three (or more in the Erainn case).. hurrah for birthdays at just the right time,
but none of it is useable without work (miscasts after all) as there is mould slip, bubbles or 'stickiness' to deal with, but if you're after stuff to mess about with cheap, they're ideal..... but remember they contents are random (although I'd be surprised if any bag doesn't contain bits of at least one big beastie)
Those are awesome, and now I want 2 more Mórannachs now too!
EDIT:
I'm guessing that maybe things...don't mean the same thing in the UK as elsewhere, possibly?
Because this Blog Entry is...er...yeah.
Bog Beasts have a lot of attacks from their club-like arms, have stomp attacks and also cause bulk charge impact hits. Their real power though comes from their special ‘sucking chest’ ability. Their chest opens up and they can absorb models on a smaller base than them (and they come on 80mm bases!) - if they hit with this special attack the opponent must pass a skill test…… or die! (they get sucked off!) What’s more the Bog Beast can also heal itself if it kills an enemy model with this attack (the extra absorbed mass replenishes the damage taken). this attack is at its best when fighting against Monstrous Infantry - they tend be lower skill than smaller models so they are easier to hit and more likely to get sucked off.In addition they cost more to field and the Bog Beast heals more damage the larger the model that it sucks off. Monstrous Infantry stay away!
I've got 1kg of Ysian miscast coming in .. I'm really excited
It's a shame thought that many of the nice KS models are not ready for public availability. Missed most of the middle ones and that means options are quite limited at the moment :\
Those are awesome, and now I want 2 more Mórannachs now too!
EDIT:
I'm guessing that maybe things...don't mean the same thing in the UK as elsewhere, possibly?
Because this Blog Entry is...er...yeah.
Bog Beasts have a lot of attacks from their club-like arms, have stomp attacks and also cause bulk charge impact hits. Their real power though comes from their special ‘sucking chest’ ability. Their chest opens up and they can absorb models on a smaller base than them (and they come on 80mm bases!) - if they hit with this special attack the opponent must pass a skill test…… or die! (they get sucked off!) What’s more the Bog Beast can also heal itself if it kills an enemy model with this attack (the extra absorbed mass replenishes the damage taken). this attack is at its best when fighting against Monstrous Infantry - they tend be lower skill than smaller models so they are easier to hit and more likely to get sucked off.In addition they cost more to field and the Bog Beast heals more damage the larger the model that it sucks off. Monstrous Infantry stay away!
I... wow.... that made my morning
"Here I thought the country spawned the language, but apparently nobody speaks it."
Regarding some of the posts at the bottom of last page - the new project is launching before the rulebook is printed, right? Is there a firm ETA on it yet? I would not have thought they could do another project without it...
I can assure you it means the same over here as it does over there, and I can almost as certainly assure you that they knew what they were writing when they wrote that!
The rulebook is basically play tested and written so it's just a question of layout and printing,
The new KS is launching earlier than Rob basically wanted as he's got a family event to go to that's basically taking out a big chunk of late October/early November so it's either go now so it can all be finished by 13th October,
or go in late November and hit the Xmas 'Nobody has money to spend on toys for themselves as well as him having to catch up to a months worth of computer stuff (he's basically the one that does that for mierce) and general admin (I'm sure some will be delegated, but not all) at the same time which wasn't going to work
the next realistic slot would be Feb 2016 so while not ideal I can see why they're doing this
judgedoug wrote: I love Mierce so very much but I've got too many oustanding KS models right now.
I want to follow this up. Mierce saw my post, emailed me personally to let me know that several of my items are actually ready to ship - they had just been waiting for me to pay for shipping!
"I noted what you said on Dakka Dakka my friend, that you wouldn't back the next project as you've still got stuff outstanding; but I'm afraid we can't ship anything to you at the moment - as you have no shipment items whatsoever!
that's a disadvantage of the sculpting slippage we've seen on some of the projects,
you back and pay shipping for what you expect to be, for example 3 waves, but as things have slipped you actually need 4 or 5 or end up with a big wait for your final shipment
I'm happy to spend the extra to have regular supplies of new toys delivered to my door (and did some judicious topping up a couple of weeks ago to avoid problems) but I guess some may just elect to wait a few months longer
I just can't bring myself to continually back Kickstarters for 10 pounds to "get my foot in the door", then need to pay for shipping at various times... I will say their webstore and response time have been excellent. I bought a Broga from a seller here, it had a missing bit, and when I contacted Mierce about the bit and to order 3 more copies of Broga the turnaround time was insanely good.
So love their stuff, and will continue to purchase it when it becomes available! And maybe even the odd Kickstarter add-on now and then
judgedoug wrote: I love Mierce so very much but I've got too many oustanding KS models right now.
I want to follow this up. Mierce saw my post, emailed me personally to let me know that several of my items are actually ready to ship - they had just been waiting for me to pay for shipping!
"I noted what you said on Dakka Dakka my friend, that you wouldn't back the next project as you've still got stuff outstanding; but I'm afraid we can't ship anything to you at the moment - as you have no shipment items whatsoever!
So, I take it all back, that was definitely an error on my part.
I'll be paying to ship my orders and then backing the next KS as normal
I actually did the same thing, and in the KS comments Mierce pointed out that I was down to only a few shippings left for all my stuff (basically one left per kickstarter). So I added 4 more, and I hope it will be good for now. I try to purchase 2 per KS, but I'm sure I've forgotten in some of them, and with others (like new kindreds), two just aint gonna cut it!
In regards to this new KS. It would be nice if we can get a unit of missile troops, maybe a few artillery in for each army, and not get too hung up on sculptors with it. As much as I love particular sculptors work, a lot of this waiting comes from them being backlogged, or working on other companies projects in between. Perhaps things like the new war machines can be put to completely new sculptors, so as not to add more to the back of the line, for some of the current sculptors.
This and the other "Gast" Unit is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing.
60pounds is quite steep at the moment, but I'm sure they'll add another 2 "heroes2 to the set.. as usual
RoninXiC wrote: This and the other "Gast" Unit is amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing.
60pounds is quite steep at the moment, but I'm sure they'll add another 2 "heroes2 to the set.. as usual
Where did you find that picture?
I think it's a good deal even as it stands. Remember, the other metal hosts were also 60 pounds but you only got 2 60mm based. This adds a third, which IMO at least equals 2 30mm human sized figs. The Jutes concept, as always, is badass! Though I have no idea how they are going to translate those ethereal bodies on the gasts - maybe smoke with the ribbons mixed in?
Cool, Thursday. I still think you should compare it to one of the 60mm base sets, which got 10 infantry, 2 60mm monstrous and 3 commanders. This one gets 10/3/1. So it trades 2 mediums (approx 12 pounds) for 1 60mm (18 pounds). IMO, that makes it a better deal. Plus the monstrous is resin this time, which costs more.
So...what's the difference between this "Savage Hordes" book and the full "Darklands Rulebook" that I've already ordered? Is one core rules and the other unit rules?
Yes. AFAIK the musters (unit rules) will also remain available online; it's going to be more a collecting/having a hardcopy thing than something you need to play IIRC.
Bolognesus wrote: Yes. AFAIK the musters (unit rules) will also remain available online; it's going to be more a collecting/having a hardcopy thing than something you need to play IIRC.
Yeah reading through again I'm getting the same impression. Kind of annoying, as I'd just been assuming that was all in the core rulebook. Oh well...there goes another $50
Someone mentioned they were taking this campaign into account with the main book, but that seems unnecessary if it's coming with its own book. Hard to believe folks are after funding another book projected a year out when the first is so delayed and still not released or shown with art / etc...
I feel like Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh so I guess I will let you all get on with the campaign enthusiasm and not mention that anymore for now . Hope it goes well for those of you going in for it, that's just stretching out a bit too far for me personally.
Alpharius wrote: I'm more concerned that the first two Kindreds out of the gate are Albainn and Jutes - two of the three Kindreds that I DON'T collect for Darklands!
Oh man, you've got all the rest!? You can supply a whole club of gaming (although I know many kindreds don't have a lot of models yet). Bring them to AdeptiCon next year!
Looks like my War Demon shipped on Friday. Looking forward to finally getting him! I'll probably sit out this next KS, mostly because of money. Unless, of course, there's some cool Infernii models. That might break me.
Alpharius wrote: I'm more concerned that the first two Kindreds out of the gate are Albainn and Jutes - two of the three Kindreds that I DON'T collect for Darklands!
Oh man, you've got all the rest!? You can supply a whole club of gaming (although I know many kindreds don't have a lot of models yet). Bring them to AdeptiCon next year!
Yes, I've got too much Darklands - though really, I don't feel that's possible!
I ditched WFB totally though, and Darklands is my main (only?) fantasy game now.
In my defense, I've only got a small force for some Kindreds, but I've gone big on others!
I'd like to back this KS for the Jutes, but I've got two orders from previous KS's that I haven't received yet, even though at least one contains completed models that should be ready to ship.
Hopefully they will arrive soon, but it does irritate me a little when I see that purchases from the online store (e.g the miscasts pictured earlier) are given priority over KS backers.
The miscasts are a byproduct of regular production, which is Mierce's bottleneck; sorting a few bags of those and shipping those out is hardly (if at all!) going to impact production of the miniatures you're waiting for.
Bolognesus wrote:The miscasts are a byproduct of regular production, which is Mierce's bottleneck; sorting a few bags of those and shipping those out is hardly (if at all!) going to impact production of the miniatures you're waiting for.
Yeah, you're right. I feel better after my mini-moan though.
decker_cky wrote:You could go in for £10 if you want to keep the door open a bit longer, but don't want to fully commit at this point.
That's probably what I will end up doing, although if Mierce do the usual 20% (or more?) off the existing range I will probably pledge a lot more.
Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago
Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
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Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago
@Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago
@Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago
@Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
Joyboozer wrote: Wait, what?
The background was the main draw of the book, now it's been transferred to another release?
Well **** me, the main book is useless to me now. Mierce has really let me down here, very unhappy with them for once.
And nowt for me in this KS again, forced to buy infantry, not interested. That's whatever though. But chopped down art / fluff in the main book? Now it's just rules and numbers? **** me.
Edit/ irritated outburst. I really will be a bit annoyed though if this turns out to be true.
The rulebook is still going to be a slightly less than 300 page book.
I don't think they've really shrunk it down from the initially promised page count. It's just that they've found that 300 pages, once you take out the space needed for the actual rules and divide the remainder by the number of factions, you don't actually have that much room per faction and boy oh boy, does Rob like to delve into these things at times.
There will be more background to each kindred in the Savage Hordes book.
Can you be more specific?
I've been waiting for the background for all the current stuff so I can decide what I want and go full on mierce, im more interested in it than rules.
Currently the rulebook is at the graphic designer's, and we hope to get it to the printers sometime in October.
Ah, that is excellent (from the comments)
Was the Érainn host unlocked at £6K, or an artbook? Having a little trouble following that from the comments.
Also a few folks unhappy with the discussion about background here in the KS comments... the above post from Mierce is somewhat brief so not totally sure what to make of it, but if it's got as much background in it as originally intended, that's great! Apparently including more background versus going ahead and getting it out was discussed on the comments page of another Kickstarter, and it was decided to go with getting it out faster.
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Ryan Smith about 4 hours ago
Darklands: First Edition lists the rule book as "200+ pages." What page count did the final book end at? The merged edition I was working with was more than 300 pages, but I haven't checked the final size.
The content of the book was never explicitly described during the First Edition Kickstarter more than "200+ pages" or "the hardback version of the Darklands Rules". I know you discussed with us on the FE2 comments pages getting it out versus writing a ton of background, and the overwhelming consensus was to get it out there.
Can't believe there are people out there who want to complain about that call.
Creator Mierce Miniatures about 4 hours ago
@Ryan - some people will complain about anything... I don't know the exact size yet, we're still finalising designs and so forth, but it's likely to be less than 300 pages.
The quickstart rules, which were nothing but rules and the odd piece of art here and there, clocked in at 84 half sized pages with not that large of font.
I'd imagine that at 200+ pages we'll be seeing a bit more than just the rules.
RiTides wrote: Was the Érainn host unlocked at £6K, or an artbook? Having a little trouble following that from the comments.
The only thing we got at £6K, was that picture of the Fir Bholg I posted up earlier. The Jutes are unlocked at 10k, and the Albainn at 20k. Based on what Mierce was saying, I would guess the Erain couldn't be unlocked until at least 30k, but that's just a guess.
Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
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Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago @Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago @Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago @Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
Lots of people (especially here on Dakka) moaned that the rule book was taking too long, and they would not be backing more KS until it was out,
Rob is the one writing it all producing a lot of new background together with all the normal company admin, playtesting the new rules and units etc would have taken too long so the rule book will be just that, rules with minimal amounts of other content (probably the stuff that's already around on the website)
not my preferred choice, but very clearly the one of the majority of backers who expressed an opinion here and in the various KS comments
so it looks like a bunch of the new 'world building' stuff is now going to turn up in the muster book
Ryan Smith 9 minutes ago
Anyone else notice that it looks like the Muster book is going to get a lot of the background information that was pulled from the main rulebook in the interest of getting it done?
With the next few replies:
Spoiler:
Creator Mierce Miniatures 8 minutes ago
@Ryan - you've lost me. Same size? What do you mean?
Ryan Smith 6 minutes ago
@Mierce: Height/width. When I put them next to each other on my bookshelf, I want them to look like they belong together!
Creator Mierce Miniatures 5 minutes ago
@Ryan - Oh, I see! Yes, not a problem mate - that is exactly what we were going to do.
Is that original comment true? Which would mean content that would have gone in the main rulebook is being pushed out to the next book?
Don't want to go too far down that route without confirmation one way or the other, so wanted to ask... Mierce replied but didn't address that point, so I'm hoping that commentor is just mistaken. Some clarification would be great!
Lots of people (especially here on Dakka) moaned that the rule book was taking too long, and they would not be backing more KS until it was out,
Rob is the one writing it all producing a lot of new background together with all the normal company admin, playtesting the new rules and units etc would have taken too long so the rule book will be just that, rules with minimal amounts of other content (probably the stuff that's already around on the website)
not my preferred choice, but very clearly the one of the majority of backers who expressed an opinion here and in the various KS comments
so it looks like a bunch of the new 'world building' stuff is now going to turn up in the muster book
Meh. We're all a bunch of moaners here on Dakka, see that sentiment expressed sometimes in the KS comments. We're also the ones backing all these projects though, six so far for me, I know others here buy more. Whatever, I don't think I've moaned all that much, never had cause to tbh, the Mierce KS have been 90% good / excellent. This is the first real gripe I have though. I don't really care about waiting, but now instead of waiting to read about the infernal schemes of the immortal emperor of Byzantine or enjoy some nice colour art I'm waiting for a text of hit tables and such. Absolute dead weight to me. Ho hum
Yeah, I guess I thought folks were wanting the book to be released... but not at the expense of content. That's like having two bad choices... and you have to then pay to get that content in the second book. As much as I thought they needed to prioritize the rules, stripping background out wasn't what I had in mind, but rather just putting a hold on other things to get it all done.
The Anglecynn host is nice, almost tempted to get two. But since the werwulfs are modified from the old versions then if you didn't like the originals I can't see you liking these.
I do hope the Khthone host focuses on svrar. I've got enough gorgonars and gorgorars. What I need are low cost troops.
Khthones slated for gbp100k. Those savrar might well become the next unit always tantalizingly close, but never quite there. Charlie brown's football of Mierce KS's.
Bolognesus wrote: Khthones slated for gbp100k. Those savrar might well become the next unit always tantalizingly close, but never quite there. Charlie brown's football of Mierce KS's.
Yikes!
Not sure we'll get there.
I hope we do, but while this is supposed to be the next 'big' Mierce Darklands KS it somehow isn't feeling like it will be yet.
Feels more like it will be somewhere between "Monstrous Mounts" and "Metal Age".
Maybe due to the limited selection at the start, or the £10K unlock levels?
I've a "Darklands" overdose. There are units I'd like but I'm tempted to wait because the metal retail prices look good. In metal age I couldn't justify the duplication of minis I had to save a couple of quid. I ended up backing for a single limited edition boozy mini instead.
With the 1st Ed book still to arrive and wait for monstrous mounts, I'm weary of pledging early for the second book and a later wave of minis. Don't get me wrong, I like Darklands, I just need some time to catch up.
Bolognesus wrote: Khthones slated for gbp100k. Those savrar might well become the next unit always tantalizingly close, but never quite there. Charlie brown's football of Mierce KS's.
Yikes!
Not sure we'll get there.
I hope we do, but while this is supposed to be the next 'big' Mierce Darklands KS it somehow isn't feeling like it will be yet.
Feels more like it will be somewhere between "Monstrous Mounts" and "Metal Age".
Maybe due to the limited selection at the start, or the £10K unlock levels?
I would guess a combination. The initial host offered, Jutes, was one of their newer ones with no units currently in people's hands, so right off the bat you have potentially fewer players going to select it. So let's say a non-jutes player wants their faction starter, and decides to pledge. This helps fund the jutes, but when the next stretch goal rolls around, even if the kindred is one they pledged, they already upped, so it doesnt help unlock the third starter. I'm kind of in that boat - I pledged for 2 metal starters (Jutes and something else) so they arent getting more from me until more factions I collect are unlocked (at least before the campaign ends... afterwards I always cave).
Unlocking multiple starters piecemeal like in New Kindreds might have worked better, as it tempts a wider audience. We'll see how this works out. I know Rob said he wanted to ease up on the alt sculpts/exclusives, but they do generate a lot of bang for the buck for the company. The boozin companions really seemed to help move the metal age totals along.
The other issue is they are offering a cheaper alternative (metal), but having to pay to fund 2 sets of molds (resin and metal). The metal may be eating into the higher priced resin sales, dropping the total. Ideally this would be made up for in additional volume of metal sales. Hopefully this picks up after the mail shot and word spreads. Because seriously, 40 bucks for 10 figs of this caliber is a sweet deal. The metal figs are now about on par with warmahordes, and it looks like a playable force can be had easily for under $200 or so.
I rather like the Angle's, other than that ugly hero, but I gotta wonder what the fulfillment window for this is going to look like. The metal age stuff is still a year out isn't it, or am I misremembering that? I don't know that I want to tie the money up for that long, and maybe not get models at the end. Time and delay seems to be adding up, not getting less, with each additional KS.
From the sound of it the metal casting (for they stuff that's already sculpted) is progressing as planned,
this lot were locked down at the beginning of the month
•Anglecynn Duguth (all sculpts in hand) •Brythoniaid Teulu (all sculpts in hand) •Byzantii Legionarius (I think they're all done?) •Fomoraic Gabrax (all sculpts in hand) •Norse Holumann (all sculpts in hand) •Ysian Ax-Drune (all sculpts in hand) •Érainn Tuanagh (2 trees missing, but we've seen them so I guess Rob could ask for them to be sent without the other 3 )
so I think a (late) November date for the first orders going out is not impossible (although a bit of slippage might happen, depending on whether Tim got all the masters over to the casters on time or whether his operation effected things)
the stuff below is due to be locked down at the end of October so but isn't due out til February 2016 so there's still a reasonable amount of time for the sculpts to come in
•Anglecynn Gesith (all sculpts in hand?) •Ysian Bow-Drune (all in sculpts in hand) •Brythoniaid Rhyfelwr (Mostly done, although the troops need to get to mierce so should be on time) •Jute Wihtgar (if the 3d printing goes ok, these should be on time)
•Albainn Gairlom (troops to do, may slip) •Fomoraic Warriors of Baalor (needs 2 toracx sculpts so proably a bit late) •Byzantii Demilegionarius (lots of sculpts needed, this will slip) •Atalantes Oplites (all to do these will be late)
Wehrkind wrote: I rather like the Angle's, other than that ugly hero, but I gotta wonder what the fulfillment window for this is going to look like. The metal age stuff is still a year out isn't it, or am I misremembering that? I don't know that I want to tie the money up for that long, and maybe not get models at the end. Time and delay seems to be adding up, not getting less, with each additional KS.
Metal Age is supposedly shipping November for the first half of the stuff and February for the second. I believe this one has stuff all shipping in June 2016. So it's a ways, but nowhere near as long as many other Kickstarters.
As for this one...I'm honestly a bit underwhelmed. Would have liked to see a bit more revealed right off the bat. Those Jutes are amazing though, and that's what my GF collects, so we'll see.
Wehrkind wrote: I rather like the Angle's, other than that ugly hero, but I gotta wonder what the fulfillment window for this is going to look like. The metal age stuff is still a year out isn't it, or am I misremembering that? I don't know that I want to tie the money up for that long, and maybe not get models at the end. Time and delay seems to be adding up, not getting less, with each additional KS.
1st batch of Metal is supposedly in November and everything is now sculpted (they showed the two completed fenn beasts for the Erainn last New Kindreds update). This includes
This seems doable without much fuss. All they need to do is make the molds, and casting metal is much easier than resin.
Of the rest of the metals the following need to be sculpted
Anclecynn Geisith - only the Aethelglyth resculpt
Atalantes - Everything
Brythoniaid - All done! (I think)
Byzanti Demilegionarius - Nervor, all the demilegionarius
Formoraic Warriors of Baalor - 2 pigs
Jutes - only Aetulla is left
Ysian Bow Drunes - All done!
They are actually a good way towards being able to fulfill the 2nd wave of metal hosts, which I think were originally slated for February 2016.
RoninXiC wrote: I bought the two different Ysian sets.. can't wait to get them
Same here. The two Ysians, extra brutes, the big brute character, and a hound abberrant. Kind of sad that I didn't buy the big angry vagina monster though.
Bolognesus wrote: Khthones slated for gbp100k. Those savrar might well become the next unit always tantalizingly close, but never quite there. Charlie brown's football of Mierce KS's.
Yikes!
Not sure we'll get there.
I hope we do, but while this is supposed to be the next 'big' Mierce Darklands KS it somehow isn't feeling like it will be yet.
Feels more like it will be somewhere between "Monstrous Mounts" and "Metal Age".
Maybe due to the limited selection at the start, or the £10K unlock levels?
Fomoraic won't be until near 100k either. I have a feeling that this will be a very small kickstarter, since it's the kickstarter that has the least available.
No mention of Norse, and I'm also shocked they haven't got a bow-drune host up already. From what I understand, Fomoraic, Norse and Ysians are the most popular factions.
It seems to me that in a Kickstarter opening new types of units - Mierce is pushing the new factions rather than making something available for the more popular factions. If the campaign hits 100k, it should pick up some momentum from fans of the popular factions, but I'm not sure it will make it that far.
I'm also wondering if fitting in the price for metal, meaning longer stretch goals is going to slow down the speed of the kickstarter as well.
If it was all resin we would have seen more stretch goals by now and I think we would be picking up momentum already. At this rate we may not even see any warmachines let along the Jutgar.
I'm also wondering if people are less interested in ranged weaponry like archer units.
Bolognesus wrote: Khthones slated for gbp100k. Those savrar might well become the next unit always tantalizingly close, but never quite there. Charlie brown's football of Mierce KS's.
Yikes!
Not sure we'll get there.
I hope we do, but while this is supposed to be the next 'big' Mierce Darklands KS it somehow isn't feeling like it will be yet.
Feels more like it will be somewhere between "Monstrous Mounts" and "Metal Age".
Maybe due to the limited selection at the start, or the £10K unlock levels?
Fomoraic won't be until near 100k either. I have a feeling that this will be a very small kickstarter, since it's the kickstarter that has the least available.
No mention of Norse, and I'm also shocked they haven't got a bow-drune host up already. From what I understand, Fomoraic, Norse and Ysians are the most popular factions.
It seems to me that in a Kickstarter opening new types of units - Mierce is pushing the new factions rather than making something available for the more popular factions. If the campaign hits 100k, it should pick up some momentum from fans of the popular factions, but I'm not sure it will make it that far.
...Well, that sucks then. I might actually have to pull even my 60GBP pledge if Fomoraic might not be in, either. Shame.
GiraffeX wrote: I'm also wondering if fitting in the price for metal, meaning longer stretch goals is going to slow down the speed of the kickstarter as well.
If it was all resin we would have seen more stretch goals by now and I think we would be picking up momentum already. At this rate we may not even see any warmachines let along the Jutgar.
I'm also wondering if people are less interested in ranged weaponry like archer units.
Not so sure about that. These are each funding two new units being sculpted. I think 5k per unit is in line with recent campaigns.
...Well, that sucks then. I might actually have to pull even my 60GBP pledge if Fomoraic might not be in, either. Shame.
I'm sitting on a double metal pledge on the hope that things are unlocked. As is, there's nothing I actually want revealed (let alone open, which is a single unit).
They are utterly superb miniatures (we've had one printed already) and have exceeded our expectations and more.
which is very encouraging as a bunch of the delays they've had have been down to 3D sculpts looking good on screen but not working on printing (to big/small/delicate etc) leading to resculpting, expensive reprinting etc
since Edgar has nailed the Jutes there rest of the stuff he produced should also be fine
(plus skelingtons, lots and lots of spooky skelingtons are always good news)
That's a lot of large/tall masonry for the time period. Pretty much the only feature you'd actually expect is that round-tower and even that seems a little on the ambitious side to me, size-wise.
OTOH I suspect the dragon in the top right quadrant poses an issue or two anyway, historically
It'd be interesting to hear whether this is some huge capital-fortress or somesuch , or just some random noble's fortress of which there might be another twenty around. If the latter, that would indeed change a thing or two as far as choice of scenery is concerned.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Those Khthones ruins sure do look rather impressive - guess the architecture and other worldbuilding aspects have gone over to the fantasy end of the spectrum a little more than it originally seemed, as well.
Those are some purty pictures, too.
I like them. It's a larger than life setting grounded in reality, it's good to stretch the potential for what could have been achieved at the time a bit.
I think I might be able to make my planned Frostgrave terrain work for abandoned ancient northern ruins...and then never play either game!
I really think there should be more pictures of the existing range on the kickstarter page. I understand that the photography is expensive, but even just the unpainted models are impressive. I can't tell you how many kickstarters I've checked out, and after scrolling down the page quickly and not seeing any miniatures that caught my eye, I moved on.
There are so many eye catching miniatures in the Mierce library, and if someone sees one they like, they'll dig deeper on how to get it.
This KS doesn't really have the feeling of a 'big one' behind it, it feels too rushed, but I like how focused it is. Perhaps not having a year with out a huge KS will help them get some of these smaller KS fulfilled and then they can do a proper 'big one', with a finished rule book, and more, next year.
Banebeasts 1 is very close to done, BB2 has several items finished already, and Metal age didn't have much in the way of new units (mostly alterations, and metal versions of existing stuff), so hopefully these can be dealt with easily.
New stretch.
By going for the metal deal you get the small troops in the much tougher metal and the big guys in loverly high detail resin. If you want Erainn it's sort of a no-brainer I reckon.
One of the reasons i stopped pledging many campaigns ago was they no longer declare who the intended sculptor will be. Anyone know who the sculptord are here?
By going for the metal deal you get the small troops in the much tougher metal and the big guys in loverly high detail resin. If you want Erainn it's sort of a no-brainer I reckon.
Ah, that's more like it! I feel like it can't be cost effective for them to make the larger sculpts in metal, particularly while also offering in resin. Glad to see something that isn't doubled up in that sense.
greywulf wrote: One of the reasons i stopped pledging many campaigns ago was they no longer declare who the intended sculptor will be. Anyone know who the sculptord are here?
I totally agree, I would find it incredibly difficult to pledge based on the artwork alone.
greywulf wrote: One of the reasons i stopped pledging many campaigns ago was they no longer declare who the intended sculptor will be. Anyone know who the sculptord are here?
Valentin Zak for the Erainn according to Rob (assuming of course he says yes)
Both Fomoraic an Khthone have been hinted at over £100k.
So far it's:
10k Jute
20k Albainn
30k Anglecynn
40k Érainn
50k Byzantii/Infernii
That leaves the 60-90 goals as Atalantes, Brythoniaid, Norse and Ysians.
Bit of a slow burner this one. Hope Rob's got some tweenies up his sleeve to entice us with.
Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't do something like 5-man units so that they could cut each goal in half... those are some long stretches (especially in pounds, for those of us having to convert over - Byzantii/Infernii are at $76,000).
When I heard that there was going to be cavalry in the Savage Hordes, I was excited. Then word came out they were going to be metal. I'm in. Then I find out we need to get to $200,000 before they're produced. I'm out. I have way to many resin miniatures which I'm afraid to play with cause they're so fragile.I haven't received the last 2 KSer that I was in from Mierce, so I'm going to pass on this one until I receive them.
I think my main problem is it takes so long to receive the product after the KS ends. I know that's the way KS works and I guess I'm just burned out. (unless the mounted cavalry is in)
The apparently got so much feedback (I read the this as grief/hassle) last time from people not wanting 'piecemeal' stuff, and 'why don't you unlock a whole horde at once' from new kindreds that they decided to try it that way, giving people what they asked for as it were
(I didn't really see it in the comments but then I wasn't really concerned with how they unlocks happened, just that they did (and who knows what private messages got sent)
it's hard to say if it's the wrong move yet though as this did launch unexpectedly backer numbers are about the same as new kindreds, but the total is down about 25% (but then metal hordes are cheaper than resin and I would not be surprised if that made up the difference.
but the key is it has funded on day 1, so can now safely grow as people see it is going to deliver whenever they glance at it
Yeah but the only issue is they are actively encouraging people to add items that don't unlock for another almost $40K USD beyond what is currently pledged (the Erainn). So, if people continue to add for things that far off, it could cause issues later, particularly with a short campaign. Almost everyone is pledged for something that isn't unlocked at the moment... that works when campaigns have momentum, but was also something some of the RBG campaigns struggled with. It's a calculated risk... I think these first 4 factions are likely to fund, but it seems like they need to see how much momentum there is if it can get beyond that.
Of course, these campaigns tend to exceed expectations, so they may blast it all out of the water. That would be great, but the risk is they need to unlock more things to get there... which is why I think if they decide to lessen the goals, unlocking 5-man units could help with that.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: but the key is it has funded on day 1, so can now safely grow as people see it is going to deliver whenever they glance at it
Provided the total reaches what people want to unlock their kindreds. Mine sit at 30k, 50k and 100k, so I'm confident that I'll get two see two kindreds worth. It's the people who are chipping in now in the hope of seeing their kindred unlock, only to find they've been slotted in at 80k or 90k who might remove their backing if this doesn't look like it's going to fund that high. They might be holding off until their kindred is unlocked. Only Rob knows the habits of his backers.
for new kindreds with the piecemeal unlocks the hordes that the pledge levels were based on (and almost everybody was pledging for) basically didn't exist until the 'lesser beasts' unlocked at £40,000
(unless you were getting already existing stuff, and you could in theory do the same here)
it's certainly a risk, but Mierce does have a strong back catalogue to pick from instead so at least some backers would stick and use it for that even if something isn't unlocked (I know I've done that before with them and would do so again)
the only other option I see is unlocking individual units one at a time (with plenty of stretch goals shown), but discounting them individually rather than in hordes...
but if they did that I bet there'd be a huge push by lots of backers for hordes at even bigger discounts, people seem to like being sold discount bundles (both for the discounts and as they let them build armies without too much thought)
You can always spend your KS cash on anything they make, your pledge just gets turned into credit in their webstore
previously (and I guess this time) we've had a small window of a month or so where all existing stuff is 20% of MSRP, not such a big discount as the prices of the stuff specifically included in the KS, but still good
(Rob is usually willing to let new backers also access the previous KS catagories too so they can get unreleased stuff from them as well)
RiTides wrote: I didn't realize they would apply the credit to existing items (is that clear on the page?). That makes more sense then... thanks Orlando!
Yeah, it all goes into "moneyback". You can then spend on whatever, even previous kickstarters. I think they should promote their back catalogue a bit on the main page for this KS as well, to let people know that a pledge wont go to waste if they dont unlock the host you want. MIght prevent some pulling out later if certain hosts dont fund.
Orlando / Bossk - Ah, but this is just items that have been released to retail, right? I think that was my confusion - since most of the items still are not that far, so I don't think I got access to them in my Monstrous Mounts Kickstarter pledge (and didn't realize you could ask for access).
It is a bit frustrating to google a Mierce model, see the preview text in google, then get taken to the "you don't have access to this part of the store" page on the Mierce site! But this is very good to know, thanks
RiTides wrote: Orlando / Bossk - Ah, but this is just items that have been released to retail, right? I think that was my confusion - since most of the items still are not that far, and I don't think I got access to them in my Monstrous Mounts Kickstarter pledge (and didn't realize you could ask for access).
It should give you access to "existing miniatures", and any other KS you have backed or requested access to. I've backed everything but first edition. I think I ended up just using my Might Monsters 2 pledge money on something from New Kindreds. If they only thing you backed was MOnstrous Mounts, that's probably all you can see. But like others said, ask Rob and he'll probably grant you access. That way you can essentially late pledge for an earlier KS on things which havent been delivered, and still help out this project.
£15k Stretch goal and it's another host! No artwork yet - explained below
Sadly I have no artwork at the moment (Danny's had issues with his hands), but I can tell you exactly what we have at £15,000.
At £15,000 will be an Infantry Starter Host - £60 metal, £90 resin - comprising the following:
1x Eormanræd 1x Garric (host banner bearer) - 10x Wihtaxas (Wihts - alternates of the Wihtboga - armed with Ax and Grave Lantern) 3x Tomb Spiders (alternates of Gol Gul, on 80mm bases)
Eormanræd is our lovely Cant Forthain. Metal or resin, £6 (metal) or £9 (resin) outside the host.
Garric is a completely new Host Banner Bearer for the Jutes. £9 (metal) or £13 (resin) outside the host.
Wihtaxas - Wihts with axes - have an Ax for close combat work and a Grave Lantern, which is similar to the Gāst Tomb Lanterns but less powerful. Metal and Resin, same price as Wihtboga outside the host, £27 (metal) or £58.
Tomb Spiders are alternates of the smaller Gol Gul. You may not know this, but the first iteration of Gol Gul was too small; we've mashed it up to make a unit of three slightly different Tomb Spiders on 80m bases. These are resin only, unit of three is £60 RRP, so £54 in resin.
So there you have it! Something awesome for you now we've reached £50k - get adding for it!
Automatically Appended Next Post: This little teaser just dropped:
Imagine Sávrar. You'll get both Javelin-armed Sávrar and sword/shield Sávrar
I'd read something somewhere that led me to the impression that the 3d CAD sculpts of the Jute models are being 3d-printed, rather than hand-sculpted with the 3d images as a reference. Is that correct or am I mistaken?
PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote: I'd read something somewhere that led me to the impression that the 3d CAD sculpts of the Jute models are being 3d-printed, rather than hand-sculpted with the 3d images as a reference. Is that correct or am I mistaken?
Correct. There's not much point to making 3D renders to then hand sculpt them - that's a lot of duplication of effort.
This isnt their first foray into 3d sculpt/prints. The eye of baalor, the taelu and the legionaries were all 3d sculpts. I'm guessing the 3d sculpts make it easier to do alterations of them. I think we'll see the Byzanti legionaries with javelins as well. While they werent 3d sculpted, it seems likely we'll see an alt of the Bythoniaid rhyfelwyr, since they have bows on the figures.
PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote: I'd read something somewhere that led me to the impression that the 3d CAD sculpts of the Jute models are being 3d-printed, rather than hand-sculpted with the 3d images as a reference. Is that correct or am I mistaken?
Correct. There's not much point to making 3D renders to then hand sculpt them - that's a lot of duplication of effort.
This isnt their first foray into 3d sculpt/prints. The eye of baalor, the taelu and the legionaries were all 3d sculpts. I'm guessing the 3d sculpts make it easier to do alterations of them. I think we'll see the Byzanti legionaries with javelins as well. While they werent 3d sculpted, it seems likely we'll see an alt of the Bythoniaid rhyfelwyr, since they have bows on the figures.
Bolognesus wrote:And for that matter the warriors of Baalor. They've done a fair few by now.
The slow burn for this project continues ... slowly. To keep us all going, here's some Wihtaxas.
Mierce Miniatures wrote:Wihtaxas - Wihts with axes - have an Ax for close combat work and a Grave Lantern, which is similar to the Gāst Tomb Lanterns but less powerful. Metal and Resin, same price as Wihtboga outside the host, £27 (metal) or £58.
They look nice not sure if we will get to them, looks like the kickstarter is already stalling.
There's nothing so far that's different enough to catch peoples wallets.
I'm also a bit miffed that they re-used the character sculpts with different weapons, it would have been really cool to have new models in those slots so they could both be fielded at the same time.
But I don't have any other Jutes...............yet, hmm this could work out expensive as their starter set is still available in metal till the end of the month
I'm also a bit miffed that they re-used the character sculpts with different weapons, it would have been really cool to have new models in those slots so they could both be fielded at the same time.
I dont have much of a problem with it. Warmahordes does it, GW does it, etc. Entirely new sculpts would have required more funding and more sculpt time. Paint them with different color schemes (like reverse the main and secondary colors in your army color scheme) and it will be less noticeable on the table. 10 man units already use multiples of the same sculpt.
As someone who's collecting the Jute Kindred, I really want to back this KS; but my view on Mierce has been very wary of late. Part of it is the increasing backlog of miniatures and the increasing number of more Kickstarters. I've been getting a feeling in the back of my mind that this is seemingly an unsustainable path. That and waiting for about 40 miniatures across 3 different Kickstarters.
Alpharius wrote: MIERCE is, by their own admission, 100% a "Kickstarter Company".
They want/need the money in advance so as to book the sculptors they want...in advance.
Having said that, it is absolutely the right course for you (or anyone) to 'wait until retail' if you're nervous. Obviously!
I'd be wary if there were reports of their artists or sculptors not getting paid... but that's not the case. They book these dudes so that other companies can't book them (and I've seen plenty of complaints from other people that Mierce is booking up certain sculptors for up to a year out).
But of course it's always up to you! I've bought a lot of pre-existing product, plus lots of stuff from the first few KSers so personally I've had a tremendously amazing experience with Mierce. I've got a couple hundred bucks worth of outstanding models, but most are sculpted and ready and I've asked them all to be shipped at once when they're completed. Which reminds me I need to pay shipping on that
RivenSkull wrote: As someone who's collecting the Jute Kindred, I really want to back this KS; but my view on Mierce has been very wary of late. Part of it is the increasing backlog of miniatures and the increasing number of more Kickstarters. I've been getting a feeling in the back of my mind that this is seemingly an unsustainable path. That and waiting for about 40 miniatures across 3 different Kickstarters.
If it makes you feel better, the Jutes seem to be moving along nicely since they gave them to Edgar Skomorowski. He's hauled some serious ass on getting them done. The first Wihtgar was shown August 7, and he finished not only that unit, but the Drēaguth unit by September 18. If anything from this KS would ship on time, its the Jutes.
Riven - As Bossk said, if you're worried about delivery it helps to pledge for things already sculpted, as that of course can be a major source of delay. But just with the casting queue, things are pretty backed up at the moment... they've said a few times recently that Wave 7 (which is listed as the April wave) is still ongoing... it's about to hit 6 months of being in-process.
That's very true Alpharius - Argh, feel like I'm being too negative in this thread, I blame lack of sleep . I am hopeful that their pace will be back to what it was now with their master molder back, it's just a bit of a queue but I know they are tackling it!
Lol I like how getting the spiders and 11 additional figures is 3 pounds cheaper than just getting the spiders by themselves! Id pledged for 2 so far, so the 2 jutes are my picks. Might be able to up for another, but the Albain doesnt really do much for me atm.
They're tempting, that's for sure. Especially as the spiders are £30 each rrp. And the Jutes can ally with the Anglecynn.
And I do love me some necromancers.
But I think I can contain myself. I so want this to hit 60k for the savrar.
RiTides wrote: Those spiders aren't already available for purchase by chance, are they? A ...friend... wants to know...
Not yet. I think these are the results of the previous Gol Gul sculpt being too small. Instead of scraping them, they reworked them into "smaller" beasts!
zedmeister wrote: I think these are the results of the previous Gol Gul sculpt being too small. Instead of scraping them, they reworked them into "smaller" beasts!
Alpharius wrote: Do you and Orlando have me on 'ignore' or something?
I'm beginning to wonder why "SAVAGE HORDES" is moving so slowly.
I think it is because the initial offering was so limited, and there hasn't really been much shown for 'in between' goals that has fired people up.
But maybe some of it is due to people not wanting to add even more to their backlog queue?
Maybe waiting for the Rulebook, and this one being for another book before that book is out?
Haha! Sorry
I think its the variety, or lack of. Don't get me wrong, the revealed hosts are tasty. But I reckon a lot of people are waiting until their Kindred of choice is unlocked or near unlocked. Fomoraic, Norse, Byzantii, Ysian and Khthones collectors will probably be waiting and watching (pity the poor Vras fans) which doesn't move the pledge total so you're relying on die-hards or collectors of the current revealed Kindreds to reach the total. Maybe dispensing with the hosts and unlocking each human sized infantry unit every £5k or £7.5k would probably get things moving faster. Then, when they are done, they can then move onto stretch goals of the monstrous infantry or others along with host bundles in tandem, tying up the previously revealed infantry into a host bundle.
I'm not worried about the rulebook yet as I haven't really started painting my Darklands minis.
I think it was due to the limited initial offering, there wasn't much to get excited about.
I'm liking the Jutes though and we know who's sculpting them so there's no worrys in that department. I really wish we had the Jutgar as well as I'm not interested in spiders, horrible things.
RiTides wrote: Riven - As Bossk said, if you're worried about delivery it helps to pledge for things already sculpted, as that of course can be a major source of delay. But just with the casting queue, things are pretty backed up at the moment... they've said a few times recently that Wave 7 (which is listed as the April wave) is still ongoing... it's about to hit 6 months of being in-process.
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
And it's not as if I haven't payed for shipping (I saw that mentioned a few pages back). I've got 3 shipments paid for that are with the outstanding orders.
Alpharius wrote: Do you and Orlando have me on 'ignore' or something?
I'm beginning to wonder why "SAVAGE HORDES" is moving so slowly.
I think it is because the initial offering was so limited, and there hasn't really been much shown for 'in between' goals that has fired people up.
But maybe some of it is due to people not wanting to add even more to their backlog queue?
Maybe waiting for the Rulebook, and this one being for another book before that book is out?
For me it feels like Metal Age just ended, which is partly on me not resolving my pledge until a month or so ago, but is also because it sort of just ended.
The initial scope seems more limited, so there's no pledging for what might appear.
Theres a certain amount of fatigue on my end. I haven't painted a single Darkland mini, and there's only so much gorgeous stuff I can justify keeping locked in my basement (take THAT out of context FBI).
From a rules perspective I'm pretty confident that I have a solid 'big' army of Norse, Angles and Formor, and a 'medium' army of everything else except Byz and Ys. Going to metal gives me some confidence that I can get non-KS infantry at a decent price in the future, so there's a certain lack of urgency.
Some of the stuff I was excited about a year or so ago didn't turn out quite as I was hoping (Norse infantry, Werewulf infantry) so there's a certain amount of caution on that end, but that's still a very minor factor.
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
What are you currently waiting on bud. I'm pretty up to date in terms of knowing where each of the sculpts progress is
Alpharius wrote: Do you and Orlando have me on 'ignore' or something?
I'm beginning to wonder why "SAVAGE HORDES" is moving so slowly.
I think it is because the initial offering was so limited, and there hasn't really been much shown for 'in between' goals that has fired people up.
But maybe some of it is due to people not wanting to add even more to their backlog queue?
Maybe waiting for the Rulebook, and this one being for another book before that book is out?
Haha! Sorry
I think its the variety, or lack of. Don't get me wrong, the revealed hosts are tasty. But I reckon a lot of people are waiting until their Kindred of choice is unlocked or near unlocked. Fomoraic, Norse, Byzantii, Ysian and Khthones collectors will probably be waiting and watching (pity the poor Vras fans) which doesn't move the pledge total so you're relying on die-hards or collectors of the current revealed Kindreds to reach the total. Maybe dispensing with the hosts and unlocking each human sized infantry unit every £5k or £7.5k would probably get things moving faster. Then, when they are done, they can then move onto stretch goals of the monstrous infantry or others along with host bundles in tandem, tying up the previously revealed infantry into a host bundle.
Yeah, that's most likely it.
I'll tell you what though, this KS is going to 'force' me to start collecting Jutes - which I only narrowly avoided in NEW KINDREDS (where I picked up Atalanteans!) and METAL AGE (which 'forced' me to start Érainn!).
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
What are you currently waiting on bud. I'm pretty up to date in terms of knowing where each of the sculpts progress is
I wouldn't mind seeing an updated list on that Zed!
I know I'm also waiting on a lot of stuff that is completed - and many people have received - due to the backlog created by Tim's surgery.
Is there any update on how close Mierce is to clearing that queue?
Simply put, Tim's operation has put our casting and moulding schedule by a couple of months, but we're slowly getting back on track. It doesn't help that staff also go on holidays, damn them!
There's no need to be worried by this - we'll get to your orders eventually, and we're in the process of hiring more staff to get through the backlog, even if those staff are only temporary.
Remember that orders are prioritised in date order. If you placed your order a while after a project ended, you'll get it later than others.
Also remember that shipment items are the key - if you only have one for a project's orders, you'll only get one shipment, and so everything in your orders would be held up by anything not yet sculpted or moulded. We have been lenient on this in the past, but we did a big review earlier in the year and found that we have lost money on postage for the past two years. For a tiny company like Mierce this is not good, and so we are not lenient any more. This may mean that - as you're used to regular shipments - you're worried about not receiving any; but don't be, it's because of the above reason.
If you want to know where you are in the queue for your orders, just e-mail us - we don't bite!
Finally, last year we moulded, cast and shipped well over 15,000 miniatures and associated gubbins, which is amazing for a company of our size. This year we'll produce more than that. Please don't think we're sitting on our arses, twiddling our thumbs, because we're definitely not!
Thanks for that, Mierce! I think it's really clear that you guys are very hard at work - it's just that there is a lot of work! Some temporary staff sound like a good idea to help make a dent in it (although I hope that's not too expensive, too).
I'm glad you appreciate that we're working hard my friend, it's good of you to say. There's too many moaners in this world, it's nice to hear some praise!
Well it's really clear - having seen the resin casting process up-close with Wehrkind, who does an incredible job but on a very small scale, I can't imagine doing this kind of volume. It is definitely impressive, and again really great to hear that you are catching up on things.
Mierce Miniatures wrote: Simply put, Tim's operation has put our casting and moulding schedule by a couple of months, but we're slowly getting back on track. It doesn't help that staff also go on holidays, damn them!
There's no need to be worried by this - we'll get to your orders eventually, and we're in the process of hiring more staff to get through the backlog, even if those staff are only temporary.
Remember that orders are prioritised in date order. If you placed your order a while after a project ended, you'll get it later than others.
Also remember that shipment items are the key - if you only have one for a project's orders, you'll only get one shipment, and so everything in your orders would be held up by anything not yet sculpted or moulded. We have been lenient on this in the past, but we did a big review earlier in the year and found that we have lost money on postage for the past two years. For a tiny company like Mierce this is not good, and so we are not lenient any more. This may mean that - as you're used to regular shipments - you're worried about not receiving any; but don't be, it's because of the above reason.
If you want to know where you are in the queue for your orders, just e-mail us - we don't bite!
Finally, last year we moulded, cast and shipped well over 15,000 miniatures and associated gubbins, which is amazing for a company of our size. This year we'll produce more than that. Please don't think we're sitting on our arses, twiddling our thumbs, because we're definitely not!
I think most of the concern would be from people that jumped in to the waves that were most affected by Tim's operation and hadn't previously experienced your consistent delivery on earlier projects.
Scaling back my spending in general has nothing to do with a lack of confidence in Mierce delivering.
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
What are you currently waiting on bud. I'm pretty up to date in terms of knowing where each of the sculpts progress is
Aside from Metal Age here's everything:
Spoiler:
Monstrous Mounts Geraint Nerthol, Teyrn of Cedweli on Ceffyldraig
Erebius, Demiurion on Behema
Brontull, Daunted Dehema of Dis
Birna, Dottir of Hrafnen on Fellhrafn
New Kindreds Norse Troll Starter Host Great Axe Thórrir, Troll Konungr
Vörtun, Troll Kappi with two weapons
Gjöll, Troll Vane
Unnolg, Troll Warrior
Gurrir, Troll Warrior
Nisurl, Troll Warrior
Cleaver Mälmord, Felltroll
The Dead of Black Barrow, Wihtgar Unit Sigheard, Ord Wihtgar
4x Wihtgar Warriors
Mighty Monsters War Demon
Misc Mini's Mórannach, Beast of Cill Chonn Bog
Nuala, Druí of Danu
Masked Nuala, Druí of Danu
Ætulla, Wiglāca
Danilo Cruz, Beast Slayer of Cantabria on Horse
Torleik, Troll Warrior with Two Weapons
I'm pretty sure I've got what is done and isn't done right.
I wouldn't mind seeing an updated list on that Zed!
I know I'm also waiting on a lot of stuff that is completed - and many people have received - due to the backlog created by Tim's surgery.
Is there any update on how close Mierce is to clearing that queue?
Alright, how's this. I've not included the 2 banebeasts as they are pretty much using Gary Morley and Tim Prow as their sculptors nor will I list Metal Age which is a bit different:
First Edition: 2 miniatures outstanding - both are backer funded Descendents with sculptors booked up and just waiting for a window
2 Books (Rulebook, now at graphic design phase and artbook)
First Edition 2: Armoured Hrōr - Stéphane Camosseto booked to sculpt. He's finished of Eoric's pack about a month ago
Srók - Roberto Chaudon the machine. This is a conversion of Frenzied Srók which is already sculpted. He's currently about to, or already started work on the next Monstrous Mounts sculpt
Warriors of Dyngonwy, Rhyfelwr Unit - Yannick Hennebo has finished these, so these are currently being cast up
In III Judas, Demilegionarius Incaendium - Rob has just confirmed that Yannick is due to start them in the next few weeks
Quintus Crito - A conversion that Yannick needs to do from the existing Bare Headed Quintus
Shadows of Carn Bran, Shadow-Drune Unit - Stéphane Simon is current sculpting these. 4 out of 5 are probably complete
Ax-Crom, Yrag, Bil and Ekk's Heap - Stéphane Simon due to sculpt after the Shadows (see above)
Spears of Dun Durn, Gairlom Unit - Valentin Zak. If these are anything like the Tuanagh, then these will be stunning. Provisional start date probably end of October time
Rēoc's Pack - currently unassigned. The original sculptor booked to do these went to work for GW!
There's also a 2nd descendant awaiting assignment
Total outstanding: 26 Reckon this should be done by the end of the year especially with Yannick and Valentin doing the work. This project has suffered a bit with 3D sculpting in that some of the figures have had to be reworked and there's been a definite change of sculptors
Monstrous Mounts - There is Light! Brontull - Dan Cockersell is currently working on this.
Vaenhildr - Roberto Chaudon should have or is imminently starting this. I expect we'll see the first WIPs on Friday
Ágriosávra on Sávrakh - Roberto Chaudon. With Krekkek done, this needs to be moulded and sent back to Roberto so just waiting for a slot now.
Birna on Fellhrafn - Roberto Chaudon and Allan Carrasco. Pretty much waiting for the Vaenhildr to be sculpted now
Blunt-Claw on Goz-Horror - Yannick Fusier - in progress!
Total outstanding: 5 with 3 of those in WIP stage while the remainder are conversion pieces. Again, this should be done by the end of the year with all sculpts now in progress in some form
New Kindreds: New sculpts: Torleik, Norse Troll - Allan Carrasco. I believe Allan will start these when he's complete the Monstrous Mount commissions.
Titos, Dynatos, Mesokolossus Unit, Dynwocor Unit, Bronn ap Banbronn, Dromedus Unit, Iqqud, Egil Dead Hand - All booked to Roberto Chaudon. He's currently finishing off the previous commissions before he begins these. Reckon November/December before he's able to fully start here
Taai-ac and Aggrakk - Benoît Cosse. Can't really say when he'll start
Beasts of Síleann Fen, Cúlaítar and Cqaa - Fancagne Didier. He's already started and we should now see a steady strem of progress with these
Sáthach on Horse - Yannick Hennebo - will start after his FE2 commissions. Though he's currenly sculptor of the moment and really producing stuff fast so I wouldn't be surprised to see more assigned
Eormanræd - JAG. I hate to say this, but I get the feeling that JAG is a tiny bit MIKH like when it comes to business so your guess is as good as mine with when he'll start. Outstandingly talented sculptor though
Gaanh - Patrick Masson - not sure when this will start
Kyros, Thera, Hektor, Nikandros, Oplites Unit, Kretos and Nervor - Hector Moran. He's disappeared of late. I get the feeling that Kingdom Death is monopolising his time somewhat
Danilo Cruz on Horse - Juan Navarro Perez. He's finishing off the alterations, so expect this to be started soon
Ætulla - Stéphane Simon. Currently waiting for him to finish off the FE2 commissions
Heldred - Edgar Skomorowski. Another machine and he should appear fairly quickly. Rob is reportedly over the moon after having some of the Jute sculpts printed!
Stígr - Ernst Veingart - currently in WIP Total outstanding: 46
Alterations: Hammer-Brugg, Oghur, Brute and Abhorrent units - Olivier Bouchet. He's just finished Ettu for Bane Beasts Part Deux but I'm not sure when these are scheduled
Shieldwall Eadric, Werwulfas, Trolls and Srónax - Stéphane Camosseto. No idea on schedule
Leaping Creoda, Spike Qaano, Jörmungand Two Axe, Great Axe Thórrir, Ravenhelm Víthar and Bareheaded Knútr - Allan Carrasco - see above comments
Titos Sigma, Dragonshield Angedern, Armoured Mag ap Mag, Armoured Djiuzu, Cleaver Mälmord, Armoured Hrókr, Talos Delta, Dyndraig, Dynwocor, Dromedus and Fiend - Roberto Chaudon - see above comments
Armoured Scecchus - Dan Cockersell. At his rate, probably around Jan/Feb time
Armoured Cearl, Warrior Daachuch, Greathorn Ckaarakk, Armoured Brunchaath, Gabrax, Krokodar and Tarvax units - Benoît Cosse - see above comments
Archer Sthena - Thomas David. Don't know when this will happen
Grisly Araigh and Dairdubh - Fancagne Didier - see above
Bloody Bagseg and Oghurithne Unit - Yannick Fusier. Just waiting for his Monstrous Mounts commission to finish now
Helmed Daarkan and Warrior Tundaar - JAG - see above
Mutated Cormorágg - Aragorn Marks. Not sure, but he's quite friendly with the Mierce gents so probably this year
Helmed Kyros, Helmed Thera, Helmed Hektor, Legionarius and Gorgórar units - Hector Moran - see above
Claw-Seza and Hammer-Druc - Stéphane Nguyen. Not sure
Armoured Dúngal, Skullcap Domnech, Teulu and Warriors of Baalor - Olivier Nkweti - don't know here
Bareheaded Ætulla, Helmed Ophios, Magma Svrill, Sickle-Annik, Ax-Jowan, Spike-Gondard, Cynuise of Old, Holumenn, Gesithas and the Gorgonar units - Stéphane Simon - see above
Helmed Rudraige, Cormac on Gabrax and the alternates for the Tuanagh - Valentin Zak - probably later this year
Unmasked Velchior, Warrior Aldhelm, Dagger-Kernuor, Warrior Wulfhere, Wulf Skull Cynemon, Warrior Hywel Hir, Warrior Kjartan and the Sword-Melusines - unassigned. Expect these to be booked into available sculptors when able
Total outstanding: 89 New Kindreds full total: 135
I think you are looking June time next year to see the bulk of New Kindreds done. It's been progressing slower as the sculptors are slowing churning through previous Kickstarters, but there's been a lot booked.
Overall, I think, by the end of this year, we should see FE, FE2, MM, Bane Beasts 1 and Bane Beasts 2 pretty much complete barring the odd straggler. Of course, this is my own estimation. If you are worried that they still have a lot on, consider the fact that in the past 2 years, they've commissioned and cast over 300 different sculpts through Kickstarter. Adding the above gives approximately over 500!
Anything in Green is done, Red is outstanding and blue WIP:
Spoiler:
Monstrous Mounts Geraint Nerthol, Teyrn of Cedweli on Ceffyldraig
Erebius, Demiurion on Behema
Brontull, Daunted Dehema of Dis
Birna, Dottir of Hrafnen on Fellhrafn
New Kindreds Norse Troll Starter Host Great Axe Thórrir, Troll Konungr
Vörtun, Troll Kappi with two weapons
Gjöll, Troll Vane
Unnolg, Troll Warrior
Gurrir, Troll Warrior
Nisurl, Troll Warrior
Cleaver Mälmord, Felltroll
The Dead of Black Barrow, Wihtgar Unit Sigheard, Ord Wihtgar
4x Wihtgar Warriors
Mighty Monsters War Demon
Misc Mini's Mórannach, Beast of Cill Chonn Bog
Nuala, Druí of Danu
Masked Nuala, Druí of Danu
Ætulla, Wiglāca
Danilo Cruz, Beast Slayer of Cantabria on Horse
Torleik, Troll Warrior with Two Weapons
Hope that helps?
Separately, and obviously depending on cost, but for shipping I reckon that in order to receive everything at a nice flow, you need:
1-2 waves for Monstrous Mounts
2-3 waves for New Kindreds
1 for Might Monsters
Overall, I think, by the end of this year, we should see FE, FE2, MM, Bane Beasts 1 and Bane Beasts 2 pretty much complete barring the odd straggler. Of course, this is my own estimation. If you are worried that they still have a lot on, consider the fact that in the past 2 years, they've commissioned and cast over 300 different sculpts through Kickstarter. Adding the above gives approximately over 500!
That's crazy, especially given the quality.
Reaper and CMoN probably matched that for volume...but I can't think who else would have.
That's crazy, especially given the quality. Reaper and CMoN probably matched that for volume...but I can't think who else would have.
Indeed and they show no signs of stopping! I've kept a compiled list of rumours and snippets that I used to post on the Mierce Forum before it crashed of stuff they have hinted, planned or ideas they'd like to implement and there's enough to double that. For example, here's a small snippet:
I know they want to do Werdeers and Werbears for the Angelcynn; Khalkotes for Atalantes; Dyngwyferns, Mynach Du (Black Monks) and Cawrdraig Unit for Brythoniaid; Cataphract cavalry and Praetorians for the Byzantii; Peat Beasts and Fir Danu - Warp-spasms or Warp-Warriors for the Eirann; Feleax, Gul-Gabrax and Conands' sea creatures for the Fomoraic; Infernii Daemon Engines and a mysterious 30mm base unit; Jute Spectres and/or Ghosts; Khthones Chelones (Turtle Men) the long wanted Sávrar and Lískar Unit (Basilisk-men); Norse Húskarlar; Ysian Sky Ships!
That's not including even more Kindreds that they've talked about that they could do - Seaxons (White Dragons and Perverted Monks are hinted); Merovigian Franks; Dal Riatians; Visigoths; Kerus; Geats; Northumbralanders ; Frisians; the Umayyad Caliphate; On and on. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Skrælings and Far East units make an appearance at some time in the very distant future. All I can say is its ambitious stuff!
I know I've spoke up several times here and there about the delays.
That is my main issue with not backing anything in a long time.
I can look at when I used my pledge to actually order things....April of 2014.....still waiting on outstanding items when if I remember correctly everything was supposed to be delivered by early 2015.
Here we are going into late 2015 and Im still waiting. I know small company and all but when the shipping delays are your/ the companies fault for not shipping on time...and it kinda annoys me to be told ohh if you want stuff in small batches pay more shipping when its again the companies fault for not delivering products according to their timeline.
That timeline has slipped and slipped all year long, yes some year before im dead Im sure the products will arrive as hey have delivered 75% of what i ordered already and I believe they do intend to finish delivering what I paid for.
However it doesnt inspire me to continue to support the company with delay after delay and then asking for more shipping to make for an over 6 Month delay on production/slipping.
Thats my 2 cents as fairly large backer back in early 2014.
You can always pledge now for their back catalogue. You get 10/20% off and help fund other minis now for those who do like ranged units. Also if you ask, Mierce will typically unlock any KS categories which are still open, which is still fairly substantial. Plus, those spiders are a crazy good deal if you buy the metal host - for 3 pounds LESS, you get 11 more figs. Sell em on the back end and recoup some of your expenses on big ass spiders!
Thinking of upping for a previous KS you did back? Back now, and use the money back for the same purpose. It helps Mierce, it helps the other backers, and in the event you change your mind on the offerings of this kickstater months later, you can still get in on the action.
If you like the company, there's pretty much never a reason to sit a KS out entirely!
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
What are you currently waiting on bud. I'm pretty up to date in terms of knowing where each of the sculpts progress is
Also:
@Nergal - £50,000. Get pledging people. I want to see all those people moaning about no Sávrar backing this project, because the alternate will be the Sávrar with shields and swords, at £55,000!
That's actually one of my issues. Of the miniatures I've pledged for, (outside of the Jutes) there's roughly 17 miniatures that are already reported to have been sculpted, and 4 others were alteration sculpts, which I have no idea if they are done or not. It's that there are so many that are sculpted that haven't been shipped to me is what's got me worried.
What are you currently waiting on bud. I'm pretty up to date in terms of knowing where each of the sculpts progress is
Also:
@Nergal - £50,000. Get pledging people. I want to see all those people moaning about no Sávrar backing this project, because the alternate will be the Sávrar with shields and swords, at £55,000!
£50K seems so far away though...
Already responded to that, but reposted:
Spoiler:
Anything in Green is done, Red is outstanding and blue WIP:
Monstrous Mounts Geraint Nerthol, Teyrn of Cedweli on Ceffyldraig
Erebius, Demiurion on Behema
Brontull, Daunted Dehema of Dis
Birna, Dottir of Hrafnen on Fellhrafn
New Kindreds Norse Troll Starter Host Great Axe Thórrir, Troll Konungr
Vörtun, Troll Kappi with two weapons
Gjöll, Troll Vane
Unnolg, Troll Warrior
Gurrir, Troll Warrior
Nisurl, Troll Warrior
Cleaver Mälmord, Felltroll
The Dead of Black Barrow, Wihtgar Unit Sigheard, Ord Wihtgar
4x Wihtgar Warriors
Mighty Monsters War Demon
Misc Mini's Mórannach, Beast of Cill Chonn Bog
Nuala, Druí of Danu
Masked Nuala, Druí of Danu
Ætulla, Wiglāca
Danilo Cruz, Beast Slayer of Cantabria on Horse
Torleik, Troll Warrior with Two Weapons
Hope that helps?
Separately, and obviously depending on cost, but for shipping I reckon that in order to receive everything at a nice flow, you need:
1-2 waves for Monstrous Mounts
2-3 waves for New Kindreds
1 for Might Monsters
Also, I think we'll reach that goal especially if more surprises like the Gul-Gabrax appear...
Also from the sounds of it the already complete Savrar are being re-worked (more/different tail bends?, should be simple enough with appropriate heat) to fit on 30mm bases
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Also from the sounds of it the already complete Savrar are being re-worked (more/different tail bends?, should be simple enough with appropriate heat) to fit on 30mm bases
I totally missed that! Hmm, not sure what I think. I really liked the original Ágriosávra, who is by far the biggest (and standing up straight):
Eikovra is much shorter, being hunched over, and the tail is indeed what takes up much of the base (but is also awesome):
Finally, Myrkranio takes up the least amount of space and in general feels by far the smallest, which is fine for a shaman:
Like I said, by far I prefer Ágriosávra's size for the models in general, it just feels right. They're also quite slight and his size helps with that a bit. Note the difference in height of the front row models in this group shot, with 3 Ágriosávra and 1 each of Eikovra and Myrkranio:
I could also see the fins needing to be thickened up a bit in metal. Overall lovely models, but it's going to be really challenging to get Ágriosávra down to a 30mm! These are all 40mms in the above pictures.
Savrar at 50k and 55k should both be reached. That's exciting, since that likely means two sets of bigger beasties and two difference characters. That boosts Kthones into a legit model line finally.
I think because of how hodgepodge the Kthones model line was, they were mainstay regardless of the commander (I'll admit that I haven't looked at the rules in a while).
I'm just saying the Kthone's were all big stuff, aside from a few small characters. Now there'll be a bit more variety and a lot more flexibility in the faction. They stuck out as a faction that never really expanded (Gorgonares and Gorgorares are conceptually, pretty similar).
OTOH they have had crocodiles coming for a while now, and the liskar are pretty far along I think? I have a bunch of Khthones and honestly, just the 60mm based units with equally large characters and a 120mm based rare or two added up to quite a significant army last time I grabbed the muster rules and checked. You weren't really that limited in your choices (as long as you weren't pinned on the idea of having small infantry).
Incidentally I actually kind of liked the idea of an army that didn't take puny man-sized infantry. (Then again the Savrar are more than enough to make me completely forget about that idea forever )
Sep 30 2015
£27,500 - Chaaruch the Despoiler
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To celebrate the smashing of £20,000 - and thus the Albainn Elbharu Support Host - we bring you another mighty stretch goal for you to aim for!
Following on from the Gul-Gabrax unit, here's a cracking stretch goal for the Fomoraic, Chaaruch the Despoiler, set at £27,500!
Chaaruch the Despoiler is a Gul-Gabrax Tain, a warchief well able to lead the Gul-Gabrax into battle and a nasty beggar to boot.
In this particular set (which cannot be split into its constituent parts, please note) you will receive a strictly limited edition alternate of Aanchuch - Goatskull Aanchuth - who brings with him a mighty artefact known as the Darkstone, a sorcerous rock which both empowers nearby Gabrax and daunts the enemy. The Darkstone is not limited edition, however - Gabrax Warlocks will be able to bring one to battle!
Increase your pledge by £20 to purchase the Chaaruch the Despoiler set in metal (although the Darkstone must be produced in resin), or £30 to purchase all of the set in resin.
Joyboozer wrote: I do like Chaaruch, more stuff like this and I'll be in this one deep.
These are host champions. He revealed the Norse and Angelcynn one during the metal age kickstarter so expect more I reckon. The terrain is a nice touch as well...
I had trouble finding it because the name is right in the graphic but mis-spelled in the update text! I'm not as interested in the second model but yeah, the art of that first one is really tempting!
greywulf wrote: One of the reasons i stopped pledging many campaigns ago was they no longer declare who the intended sculptor will be. Anyone know who the sculptord are here?
I agree. I've not backed any of the latest ones, several reasons and this among them (also, not been inspired by many of the latest concepts, sculpts, deals). Nothing in the latest few KS has really done anything for me, and combine this with the fact that future offerings are a bit uncertain (cos no "sculpted by" tags) means I don't really feel like chipping in. Wait time and KS fatigue are lesser concerns for me.
/example - that new Gabrax chief looks like my type of thing, and the metal deal looks fine, but sadly there's no name attached aside from the concept artist.
Apologies for the otness, but I'm considering switching horses from Fomor to Jutes. If anyone is interested in taking my Fomor off me so I can reinvest, PM me.
This has been a really hard decision, but I have such a strong vision of how I can paint the Jutes, I think I have to stop fighting it!
Oh ok. Those beastmen were pretty much the last thing i bought from GW (aside from the 40k knight titan and some contemptors), might actually back this project.
Oct 2 2015
Kindred Musters Updated!
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Darklands is a tabletop skirmish wargame in which you command the hosts of man and beast that your ancestors once did for glory, power or simple survival!
To play Darklands with our fantastic range of miniatures, you need the rules - and whilst the full Darklands: First Edition rulebook will not be printed until later on in 2015, you can play the game right now with the rules presented here as a download or from our Rules and Musters Downloads page - which is constantly being updated.
As well as the Darklands: First Edition rules, you'll also need the Savage Hordes download which combines the Muster Rules (which show you how to build a host) and the various Kindred Musters (which give you all the warrior profiles for every single miniature we have produced or will produce).
Last updated - 2nd October 2015
The Darklands: First Edition rules are (just about) here!
We have been working very hard to put the Darklands: First Edition of the rules together for you as a PDF download, and whilst this has taken a bit longer than we'd hoped they're now (almost) ready for public consumption. Note that these downloadable rules do not yet have any lovely illustrations or many example graphics, which will be of great use to a newcomer to Darklands; they will appear in the full rules.
The rules are in their final stage - correcting errors and proof-reading, mainly - and we just haven't had time to get the last few actions (Dive, Swoop, Drop, Bind and Unbind) and reactions (Engagement and Counter-Engage) sorted yet - but we hope to have those ready for you by the end of next week, at which point we'll do a proper update before Rob goes on holiday and maybe a sneak peek at a couple of pages of the full rulebook.
Artworked for Print
The rules are also at the stage where we have passed them to our artworker to get them ready for print. This will necessarily take a few weeks, but we are hopeful that by the end of October or early November (when Rob gets back from his holiday) they will be ready to send to the printers.
Darklands: First Edition download
You can download the rules that are available now in one document:
We've been a little lazy and simply merged the individual .pdf files you'll find elsewhere on this update, so the page numbers don't work - but at least you don't have to mess around...
Note, too, that these downloadable sections of the rules do not yet have any lovely illustrations or example graphics, which will be of great use to a newcomer to Darklands. We aim to have at least one set of example graphics for each action or reaction!
Hunt down grammatical errors!
In the meantime, feel free to hunt down typos, incorrectly numbered headers, passages that don't make sense or any other grammatical errors and e-mail us at kickstarter@mierce-miniatures.com. The more people that scour the rulebook for these errors, the more we'll find!
Printing the rules
Once all of the rules are sorted, we will begin converting it all into print format with some nice graphics and images, and it will look similar in style to the Darklands: QuickStarter rules.
We do hope to have completed this task by the end of September and have it at the printers sometime in October, with a print date of "before Christmas", we hope!
Now, as mentioned above, we have something new for you all - and that is the Darklands: Savage Hordes download, which combines the Muster Rules and various Kindred Musters into one document.
We can neither confirm nor deny that Savage Hordes will be produced in book form in 2016...
Darklands: Savage Hordes download
You can download Savage Hordes in one document:
Darklands: Savage Hordes - v1.1 - updated 2nd October
We've been a little lazy and simply merged the individual .pdf files for the muster rules and kindred musters you'll find elsewhere individually on this update, but the eventual "proper" document will look rather better!
Individual section breakdowns and musters available withing the update:
Makes for a decent read. Movement and positioning looks to be a key component. And, for those worried, the monsters are still very much vulnerable to the little men.
Received my pledge for the Mighty Monsters KS on Tuesday. Unfortunately there's a huge mold slip on my War Demon's right leg, totally obscuring fine detail. I already emailed Mierce about it. Hope they get back to me soon. They're usually pretty quick with replies but it's been three days and still I haven't gotten a response.
With the Anglecynn Ceorl Bowmen on the horizon let's give you more bang for your buck with the addition of the Freemen of Scīrbrōc ! Set at £32,500, these lads are alternates of the Ceorl Bowmen and give the Anglecynn general some much-needed cheap infantry!
Ceorl - pronounced "Churl" - are versatile infantry able to use sword, axe or spear (along with a shield!) in battle or swap those to become bowmen... or even scouts. That means these are jack-of-all trades infantry, and you shouldn't take your Anglecynn host without some!
You can purchase the Ceorl in units of 10x warriors with command, 20x warriors with command or just 10x warriors, at the metal or resin prices indicated. You'll be able to purchase them as swordsmen, axemen or spearmen. Their prices are set at 10% off the eventual RRP, simply because they're being squeezed between hosts!
What are you waiting for? Get purchasing those Ceorl!
We mailed you back the other day - Sep 30th - have you not received it? It doesn't look like it's bounced from our end. Check your spam folder...
Hi, guys! Yes, that's me! It must have bounced because I checked my spam folder and inbox and I haven't received it. I'll pop you guys a followup email.
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@Zach - it looks like there will be SH2, although I'd like us to get at least half-way to £55k. SH2 would happen in late January I would expect.
Might not be a bad thing in the end - get several hosts funded now, but not all of them adding a ton to the queue (as there's so much unlocked here already!). Then fund the other hosts in January when hopefully some of the queue backlog has been brought down.
Fits the timing of how frequently they've been running campaigns lately, as well.
Yeah, I see he's a bit bigger than the Duguth warrior. Looks roughly the same size as the drunes and the bigger humans. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not.
Oh man, where did my hat come into things and I totally didn't say anything about the skelly, I figured as much with the blue tack!
I was also thinking about it and kind of think I'd like my skeletons beefy... honestly, your latest factions (Érainn and Jutes) are mostly jaw dropping stuff, really love them. And the metal prices even make them attainable... so I am a big fan of the latest releases . If money were no object, I'd have them all...
Actually think I probably can't resist pledging here anymore - just one question, what models will I have access to adding on, and for how long, or is that a really fluid thing? Most of my purchases have been at retail or through the webstore, so my only backing experience is Monstrous Mounts and I just got the model I pledged for (which was fantastic!).
Hoping for an official answer on this, if it's on the KS page somewhere please just point me to it, or if Mierce has said what will be available in the comments, etc.
Basically let's say down the line I want to up my pledge to include a chosen faction that I pledge for a starter or unit from here, such as Jutes / Érainn / Kthones / Fomoraic, would I be able to add on models from past Kickstarters for those factions too, or only what is visible here?
If you go in on this kickstarter and say are interested in the metal Jutes starter from the Metal Age kickstarter all you need to do is send them an email or pm via the current kickstarter and they will add all the existing kickstarters to your account on their website.
The models will be present until you receive an email saying they are going to be removed, they always keep you updated on whats going on.
There will always be a few minis that are in transition between being removed from the kickstarter and being added to the normal side of the website.
You also have to wait in the long queue for the Kickstarter resin minis due to Tim's Op which has delayed things a bit but this shouldn't affect the metal minis as they aren't cast in house.
You'll get access to this KS's stuff at KS prices up until they are sculpted (or in the case of metal stuff until Rob needs to finalise the casting numbers)
You'll also get access to all of the existing stuff on general sale on the website at discounted prices for a limited time (I think it was about a month last time, and offered 20% off most items and 10% off some First Edition and First Edition II (lower discount there so that new backers didn't get a better deal than original KS backers), I'm guessing the same terms will apply this time round
the only stuff you won't have access to is stuff from previous projects that have not yet been released, but Rob will usually let you at those too if you ask nicely
It could be a bit big overall, but the head doesn't bother me - I know realistically, a skull should fit inside a human head and thus be smaller, but this looks nicely proportioned to the body to me. Doesn't mean the overall sculpt couldn't have been shrunk by a few percentages, but if using these for anything else I imagine they would be an elite unit anyway and thus could be a bit on the large side.
New available hosts and metal conversions! One of these plus one of the new support hosts conveniently equals approx 1000 gold. Handy
More Infantry Hosts
Due to popular demand, we've worked long and hard to bring you some fantastic Infantry Hosts to bolster the armies of every kindred out there!
Here's all the Infantry Hosts you can go for in one graphic:
Led by a commander that's not yet been produced in metal, each Infantry Host features a unit of infantry (usually ten strong, with full command) and a monstrous beast to batter your enemies to death with.
1,000 Gold with the Support Host
We've thought long and hard about what's in each infantry host, and they'll compliment your Support Hosts extremely well. Suffice to say, if you have an Infantry Host and a Support Host for the same kindred, you'll have a host of at least 1,000 gold ready and able to take on the enemy!
Host and Individual Costs
Increase your pledge by £60 to purchase an Infantry Host in metal (although the monster will always be resin), or £90 to purchase the Infantry Host in resin.
You can purchase the units within the host individually, and these are their prices:
• £6 metal (£7 RRP), £10 resin (£13 RRP) - Dúngal, Timoth, Aldhelm, Ceonwulf, Kyros, Rudraige, Urien, Geraint Nerthol, Quintus Crito, Mananaan, Chaagmuth, Eormanræd, Knútr, Crom of Carn Wrach, The Rose of Ker-Ys (30mm bases)
• £9 metal (£10 RRP), £12 resin (£15 RRP) - Hrōr (40mm base)
• £54 resin (£60 RRP) - Erebius on Behema (100mm base)
• £27 metal (£30 RRP), £58 resin (£70 RRP) - all the 10x man infantry units (30mm bases)
• £22 metal (£25 RRP), £60 resin (£80 RRP) - 8x man Legionarius Contubernium (30mm bases)
• £36 metal (£40 RRP), £60 resin (£75 RRP) - 5x man Frēawulf Unit, 5x man Werwulf Unit, 5x man Demilegionarius Contubernium (40mm bases)
• £27 resin (£30 RRP) - Creoda, Leaping Creoda (80mm bases)
• £36 resin (£40 RRP) - Talos, Mórannach, Thacaldān (80mm bases)
• £45 resin (£50 RRP) - Cormorágg, Aradae Mawr, Glaun, Ulmons, Vaak, Maallolvór, Druc, Torku (100mm bases), Stígr (80mm base)
Note that you are only given 10% off the individual RRPs - we want to make you purchase the hosts!
Shipping
Now, many of these hosts are similar to the ones produced in Darklands: Metal Age, and so it may well be that we can ship them earlier than June 2016; but we cannot promise anything and it is better to understand that your hosts may only ship in June 2016 than have hopes for earlier.
Wait, so they removed some infantry hosts for the Metal Age Kickstarter but now they're bringing them all back (and more) for this KS except they changed out a few bits here and there? Mainly it looks like they swapped out the monster groups for single monsters.
Edit: actually these have less heroes as well and are not as good deals as the Metal Age starter hosts. I guess you could easily get a Metal Age starter host and add a Support host from Savage Lands and have a pretty great deal all around.
Those new hosts are great! I was concerned at the volume at first, but apparently there's only one new-to-metal unit (the Sword-Melusines) plus the heroes, so that is very manageable! Especially with sticking to existing resin monsters, very smart move there.
Plus there's only 4 units that havent been sculpted: Spears of Dun Durn, Reoc's pack, Opilites and the Demilegionarius, I thin a few alt arms might need to be done on the banner/herald to warrior conversions, but these should be quick to fulfill.
Some of these are crazy deals. Erebius alone costs 60 in resin. Why yes, I'll take 5 metal demon dudes for free! I only wish we'd had these at the start. Fortunately some update blasts went out to all the old backers. Total is already moving nicely.
Still hoping for some monstrous hosts (likely or not? Haven't kept up with the comments on this one) but if not I could maybe buy one I missed from New Kindreds, I'd forgotten about them for some reason. It'll be a last minute thing either way.
From taking the temperature in the comments section (Mierce KS comments sections are some of the best on KS), I'd say 'probably not' in terms of likelihood of a lot (any?) Monstrous Hosts showing up.
RivenSkull wrote: Not sure if this has been asked before, but I assume that if I order a metal set, I also get the large resin-only models as well, correct?
Yes. At least it was for Metal Age. I backed for the Norse starter so the Holumann unit and human characters are in metal and the trolls are still resin. I don't think anybody wants the monsters to be metal.
I'd also say no to monstrous infantry hosts in this one. What follows is speculation, but is based on some of their comments.
The bigger based monstrous infantry (60mm) seem like they probably don't save much on production costs, as the price is only 10% off the resin version. This is likely why all the 60mm based monstrous infantry in this is resin - the savings arent enough to justify the double mold costs and headache of managing an extra item in the webstore. They can have their new metal guys cast up the infantry quickly, and in order to avoid a backlog, need to be able to produce the resin stuff quickly as well. They said one big monster casts quicker than a group of monstrous infantry, so they went with that.
Any reason (other than the illustrator having no clue) why the right hand of these minis are turned 180 degrees wrong?
Spoiler:
When lifting the bow to a normal firing position they would either:
1. end up with the back of their right hand against the cheek (which could work if they had the arrow on the other side of the bow, asian style)
or
2. twist the bowstring one full turn (which obviously is impossible even in a fantasy setting).
Or are they supposed to be shooting the bow horisontally to the ground, gangsta style - but making it even more difficult to hit anything by releasing the arrow downwards despite having the arrow on the (in such a case) wrong side?
Alpharius wrote: Wehrkind, is that you? Artistic license?
Or, that's just how they hold it nocked, and they're rotate it to the correct position upon lifting it into firing position?
Not Wehrkind - but still nitpicking "Artistic" as in "Having no clue"?
Having the bow half drawn and "rotating" (i.e. shifting the grip) upon lifting is quite impossible (not to mention totally stupid).
The question remains: Why cannot those with enough talent and understanding of the human body to be able to design a miniature spend a few additional seconds of their time to either google or think for themselves regarding how to hold a weapon?
Alpharius wrote: Wehrkind, is that you? Artistic license?
Or, that's just how they hold it nocked, and they're rotate it to the correct position upon lifting it into firing position?
Not Wehrkind - but still nitpicking "Artistic" as in "Having no clue"?
Having the bow half drawn and "rotating" (i.e. shifting the grip) upon lifting is quite impossible (not to mention totally stupid).
The question remains: Why cannot those with enough talent and understanding of the human body to be able to design a miniature spend a few additional seconds of their time to either google or think for themselves regarding how to hold a weapon?
The miniatures themselves may not have the same mistakes as the artwork. I have the Ys bow drunes and their right hands are in the correct position.
Prestor Jon wrote: [The miniatures themselves may not have the same mistakes as the artwork.
I have the Ys bow drunes and their right hands are in the correct position.
Hopefully.
True:
Spoiler:
And, while on the subject, illustrators/sculptors should also learn the rule of thumb (!):
The arrow should be on the same side of the bow as the direction of the drawstring release (i.e on the right of the bow if drawing with the right thumb - and on the left bow if drawing with the right fingers.
Wrong:
Hadn't pledged yet, as my bank card has been replaced since I last backed and I never seemed to have it to hand when I thought to update my details.
Finally remembered, and it triggered my bank's anti fraud protection! Got that sorted, after nearly an hour and three calls, but KS is still rejecting my card!
Prestor Jon wrote: [The miniatures themselves may not have the same mistakes as the artwork.
I have the Ys bow drunes and their right hands are in the correct position.
Hopefully.
True:
Spoiler:
And, while on the subject, illustrators/sculptors should also learn the rule of thumb (!):
The arrow should be on the same side of the bow as the direction of the drawstring release (i.e on the right of the bow if drawing with the right thumb - and on the left bow if drawing with the right fingers.
Wrong:
At the risk of derailing, I'd say it's not quite as impossible or incorrect as you make out especially judging from some of the ancient archer depictions in that vid
That sounds like the bank hasn't actually fixed the card problems (but just told you they have)
although there's an outside chance its KS having problems updating an existing account, possibly worth setting up a second KS profile (different email address) and seeing if it works with that
(if it does you've got something that will work, if not you KNOW the card hasn't been fixed)
Yet another KS ? As much as I love the mini's I've pretty much given up handing over any more cash until I have the hardcopy of the rulebook in my paws that I pledged for a few years back (might be wrong be buts it was a fair while ago
)
I'm all for a wide range but for the lub of bod just drop the book
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: That sounds like the bank hasn't actually fixed the card problems (but just told you they have)
although there's an outside chance its KS having problems updating an existing account, possibly worth setting up a second KS profile (different email address) and seeing if it works with that
(if it does you've got something that will work, if not you KNOW the card hasn't been fixed)
There was an error I was receiving on my balance checking app and I've put some other (small) transactions through on it, with no problem, so it looks like the issue is with KS, but I'll try the alternate account thing and see.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like the issue is with the card.
Turnip Jedi wrote: Yet another KS ? As much as I love the mini's I've pretty much given up handing over any more cash until I have the hardcopy of the rulebook in my paws that I pledged for a few years back (might be wrong be buts it was a fair while ago
)
I'm all for a wide range but for the lub of bod just drop the book
I think the rules are online if you need them in a timely fashion. Personally I wouldn't be worried about not receiving the book at some point, they deliver pretty consistently and keep us well informed about everything. Just noticed today I got my 124th FE update together with several hundred more updates spread over their other KS. Compare this with the only other KS company I've backed (Creature Caster), it's not a flattering comparison.
Turnip Jedi wrote: Yet another KS ? As much as I love the mini's I've pretty much given up handing over any more cash until I have the hardcopy of the rulebook in my paws that I pledged for a few years back (might be wrong be buts it was a fair while ago
)
I'm all for a wide range but for the lub of bod just drop the book
I think the rules are online if you need them in a timely fashion. Personally I wouldn't be worried about not receiving the book at some point, they deliver pretty consistently and keep us well informed about everything. Just noticed today I got my 124th FE update together with several hundred more updates spread over their other KS. Compare this with the only other KS company I've backed (Creature Caster), it's not a flattering comparison.
Yarp, I love being told I'm not getting my book on a regular basis, sure beats only being told every six months or so, kidding of course, I do want Mierce to do well I just wish they'd take a breather from repeated KS projects and catch up a bit, I know there's been delays for one reason or another, but the last six month really have been a peach of chance to get a new rulebook / system into peoples hands and it just seems squandered on yet more promises of extra fruity jam sometime down the road
Might chuck a tenner in now with all the awesome host deals, but at the same time I'm going to be waiting a while for those and the next rulebook and I don't know if I really want to add more to my "Waiting for Mierce" pile.
(from the comments)
