I doupt they have that much ammo, and don't like half those guys get killed or maimed by the ultra marines that attack them. So its more like 20 marines probably made it and most of them would be too busy eating people to fuction as a unit, so really its just 1st claw killing 10 million people. The only thing that would make any sense is if they had armed crew that helped out, but they seem to only arm the crew members who have duties on the ship.
I haven't read that book in a while, but if I remember well, they were 10 000 persons on Tsugulsa. From the description that was made, most of them got killed with close combat weapons or driven in the wasteland to die over the course of a few weeks of occupation. At that point in the story, first Claw wasn't the only unit operationnal. The Bleeding Eye was still kicking so were several other squads. Plus, they don't need to operate in squadron to massacre unarmed civilians who live in the ruins of their forteress. Imagine 40 monsters that want to kill everything, are basically invinsible, never rest and who's sense you can't evade. They will murder a population very quickly. Technically, population were rounded up in bunker at the beginning of the occupation with the help of the planet leader. That makes extermination easier.
If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
40 monsters who shrug off your bullets like rain and even when they do get hit, clot over so quickly you don't even get to see the blood fall? Good luck with that.
^ That. Plus, I do not know if your Atlanta guys have power weapons, but if you don't, you may find trying to overrun them and bring them down in melee is... Ineffective.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
There are times when mundane firepower in possession of civilians is laughably inefficient. When it comes to Space Marines in the fluff, lasguns and autoguns just aren't going to cut it. They will actually save the ammo to walk over to you from across the battlefield, rip your arm off of your body, and beat you to death with in front of all your friends.
The efficiency of more advanced weaponry can be debated, but I think it is pretty clear that using such 'tiny-arms' fire as modern day assault rifles will yield negligible results.
if 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
I would say that you would show up. They would charge with their jet packs or simply on foot (Space Marine probably run really fast and don't get tired easily). You would waste your shots on their armor. Then, 0panic after three guys or girls got torn apart in one second, then you and your makeshift army would scatter in all directions trampling those who are to slow. The Space Marine would then hunt you down with infinite glee. Even trained soldiers would flee in front of such a thing. People in the 40k univers are crazy and those who flee get shot. That's why they can overwhelm a stronger force. Historically speeking, the mass assault tactica generally result in a terrible massacre with very few gains. It takes great tactical acumen and great coordination between individuals to make number work for you. A mob is not a combat unit, its a danger to itself.
I don't think it's ten million I think it's ten thousand as epronovost pointed out.
So if 50 land then they only need to kill 200 people each to achieve that kind of number.
I think yourself and the rest of your brave friends would end up skinned and displayed from a very prominent building in Atlanta. Not to dampen your spirits or anything...
epronovost wrote: if 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
I would say that you would show up. They would charge with their jet packs or simply on foot (Space Marine probably run really fast and don't get tired easily). You would waste your shots on their armor. Then, 0panic after three guys or girls got torn apart in one second, then you and your makeshift army would scatter in all directions trampling those who are to slow. The Space Marine would then hunt you down with infinite glee. Even trained soldiers would flee in front of such a thing. People in the 40k univers are crazy and those who flee get shot. That's why they can overwhelm a stronger force. Historically speeking, the mass assault tactica generally result in a terrible massacre with very few gains. It takes great tactical acumen and great coordination between individuals to make number work for you. A mob is not a combat unit, its a danger to itself.
This.
Night lords operate using terror as their weapon. It would never be a full frontal assault unless there was no other way, or they had run out of time. They would kill a few weaklings and let their screams of pain terrorize the rest of the mob. Throw a headless body down into the center of the masses and watch hysteria ensue. Precise shots from the shadows to kill the leaders. Sowing panic amongst the throngs of untrained minions would take no time at all and the night lords would revel in the terror that they caused. They are artists of fear. ONE night lord could probably orchestrate the death of 10,000 over his life span. the rednecks in atlanta would be easy prey.
epronovost wrote: if 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
I would say that you would show up. They would charge with their jet packs or simply on foot (Space Marine probably run really fast and don't get tired easily). You would waste your shots on their armor. Then, 0panic after three guys or girls got torn apart in one second, then you and your makeshift army would scatter in all directions trampling those who are to slow. The Space Marine would then hunt you down with infinite glee. Even trained soldiers would flee in front of such a thing. People in the 40k univers are crazy and those who flee get shot. That's why they can overwhelm a stronger force. Historically speeking, the mass assault tactica generally result in a terrible massacre with very few gains. It takes great tactical acumen and great coordination between individuals to make number work for you. A mob is not a combat unit, its a danger to itself.
This.
Night lords operate using terror as their weapon. It would never be a full frontal assault unless there was no other way, or they had run out of time. They would kill a few weaklings and let their screams of pain terrorize the rest of the mob. Throw a headless body down into the center of the masses and watch hysteria ensue. Precise shots from the shadows to kill the leaders. Sowing panic amongst the throngs of untrained minions would take no time at all and the night lords would revel in the terror that they caused. They are artists of fear. ONE night lord could probably orchestrate the death of 10,000 over his life span. the rednecks in atlanta would be easy prey.
redneck refers to an individual from the poor appilachan area and the stereotypes associated with said people. It is actually pretty insulting and the only reason it isnt politically incorrect is so people who are "politically correct" love to hurl the insult if racust redneck to their opposition. The way fifty marines kill that many people is similar to how ten fit in a rino
Population of Tsagualsa, you have colonised our planet without authority. We are the Space Marines, please congregate in open ground where we will ship you off world. If you do not comply we will destroy you.
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
You are just men. Enslaved men. Wage slaves. You spend most if not all of your time either toiling away at some annoying job. bar fights, drug deals gon wrong some militia or something - these experiences wont lead you guys to stand a chance against 50 Night Lords.
No amount of speed and uzis will protect you from a perfected killing machine. The heavier explosives, well maybe. The military bases in atlanta are your only hope, and they will die too.
You are up against monsters of war that have logistics the likes of which you nor your countless neighbors have seen. Weapons that are extremely powerful on all fronts. Your society, the city of atlanta, will die. All of them.
Over 41 thousand years of perfected killing vs sheep. Good luck.
And don't tell me the sheep will overwhelm the flying dragons with their much greater numbers. Not going to happen.
he used redneck in the wrong context not that im expecting you to get the north generalizes the soutg and rhe south hates that and the south will rise again thing, in the US we are weird that way.
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
Astartes are not infantry. They're more similar to a bunch of armed APC's rolled up and started shooting everyone. Your bullets aren't going to be doing much, if anything. Not to mention not many people will stand up and fight when they're simply popped by a 20-40mm autocannon or simply rolled over.
And I'm pretty sure Atlanta doesn't have RPG's, or at least a lot of them. Uzis won't do anything against Astartes. Hell even RPG's wouldn't.
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
Because having a population of wannabe tough guys with pistols and pocket knives is gonna stop a group of beings whom exist only to kill, are armored head to toe with material none of your bullets can penetrate, and are armed with guns that shoot bullets the size of your hand.
Your average Atlanta thug wouldn't be able to go toe to toe with a grot let alone a 9 foot tall crazed serial killer space marine.
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
Surely using your 'logic' the first most violent city in the US would have the best chance?
40 NL would slaughter 10,000 civilians. If it was 10,000 IG they MAYBE would win, but civilians have no chance, especially against the NL who specialize in breaking morale.
Because having a population of wannabe tough guys with pistols and pocket knives is gonna stop a group of beings whom exist only to kill, are armored head to toe with material none of your bullets can penetrate, and are armed with guns that shoot bullets the size of your hand.
Large population that has served and has military training. Military bases, national guard, tanks, Dobbins air force base.
You spend most if not all of your time either toiling away at some annoying job. bar fights, drug deals gon wrong some militia
So we are basicly the night lords without the geneseed. An interesting generalization you've made about me.
Psienesis wrote: There are times when mundane firepower in possession of civilians is laughably inefficient. When it comes to Space Marines in the fluff, lasguns and autoguns just aren't going to cut it.
I dispute this. Both of those are quite capable of killing Space Marines even in power armor, especially when it's a number of them firing at once.
That said, civilians wouldn't be able to deliver the amount of military-grade small arms fire needed to take down the Space Marines fast enough, and they wouldn't have the discipline to do it effectively even if they had it. The number they could take down would be in the single digits, at most, and it'd probably just be incapacitation rather than death for the Space Marine in question. The Marine would be back up in a few days and back at it.
Psienesis wrote: There are times when mundane firepower in possession of civilians is laughably inefficient. When it comes to Space Marines in the fluff, lasguns and autoguns just aren't going to cut it.
I dispute this. Both of those are quite capable of killing Space Marines even in power armor, especially when it's a number of them firing at once.
I dispute this. Both of those are quite incapable of killing Space Marines in power armor, even when it's a number of them firing at once.
So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Space Marines are supposed to be super soldiers clad in armor that only heavy weapons could statistically pierce with certainty.
Imagine each marine is a Rambo with the durability of a Terminator but the strategic thinking of Julius Caesar and sadism of Hannibal Lector. And Night Lords are basically evil Batmans running around.
The combination is supposed to be fluff-wise what a marine is built to be capable of. Given they also do not tire that easily, they could with enough time they could effectively wipe out a significant settlement by themselves without much effort.
The refugees on Tsagualsa were survivors from a lost colony ship. The planet was never one that was intended to support life; the people did great to eke out a living as long as they did. When the Night Lords came in, they cut out communication and spread terror as quickly as possible (as they are wont to do), finding the bunkers with the women, children, and elderly so that they could kill them first. The "military" of the colonists was scattered (some of them abandoning their posts to try to get away from the invaders), and poorly armed. The level of tech on that world wasn't great to begin with, since colonists aren't equipped to stage a full scale invasion. And they had been forced to cannibalize their own equipment over the course of the decades since their arrival, so their forces were under-equipped.
Not to mention, in a world where psychic phenomena are quite real, Tsagualsa is probably on the top ten list of "Places Not To Go, Ever." The amount of ambient background horror on that world would most likely make the inhabitants uniquely susceptible to terror tactics.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
WarOne wrote: Space Marines are supposed to be super soldiers clad in armor that only heavy weapons could statistically pierce with certainty.
No they aren't.
Artificer armor is that good. Bog standard power armor is not.
Given the volume of fire they would face, the average Space Marine will die to small arms fire or close combat from Tyranids, Orks, and Traitors, not to heavy weapons fire. Furthermore, if genestealers can penetrate terminator armor fairly regularly, then it's simply untrue that far lesser armor is such that only heavy weapons stand a chance to injure the soldier inside.
WarOne wrote: Space Marines are supposed to be super soldiers clad in armor that only heavy weapons could statistically pierce with certainty.
No they aren't.
Artificer armor is that good. Bog standard power armor is not.
Given the volume of fire they would face, the average Space Marine will die to small arms fire or close combat from Tyranids, Orks, and Traitors, not to heavy weapons fire. Furthermore, if genestealers can penetrate terminator armor fairly regularly, then it's simply untrue that far lesser armor is such that only heavy weapons stand a chance to injure the soldier inside.
That's because Genestealer claws are sharp enough to slice molecular bonds apart. Your armor doesn't mean anything to them.
Psienesis wrote: There are times when mundane firepower in possession of civilians is laughably inefficient. When it comes to Space Marines in the fluff, lasguns and autoguns just aren't going to cut it.
I dispute this. Both of those are quite capable of killing Space Marines even in power armor, especially when it's a number of them firing at once.
That said, civilians wouldn't be able to deliver the amount of military-grade small arms fire needed to take down the Space Marines fast enough, and they wouldn't have the discipline to do it effectively even if they had it. The number they could take down would be in the single digits, at most, and it'd probably just be incapacitation rather than death for the Space Marine in question. The Marine would be back up in a few days and back at it.
This pretty much, I seem to recall that PA is stated to have an efficacy of about 80% or so against small arms and I also recall that someone was able to show, that on the 100 shot setting a standard lasgun had power comprable to that of an AK-47, based on that, modern militaries would be more than sufficient to down 50 odd marines.
Wyzilla wrote: That's because Genestealer claws are sharp enough to slice molecular bonds apart.
Genestealer claws do not cause explosions every time they are swung through the air, so I doubt this.
Wyzilla wrote: Your armor doesn't mean anything to them.
And lasguns can shoot through several feet of reinforced concrete according to some lore, making it superior to genestealer claws in terms of how much it can penetrate in a single attack. And lasguns can fire faster and more accurately at longer ranges than a genestealer claw, and there's generally more lasgun fire going on than there are genestealer claws.
Keeping that in mind, autoguns are as effective as lasguns in the lore.
Space Marines get taken down by relatively low tech weapons such as sluggas quite frequently regardless of their armor. It's nonsense to assert that only heavy weapons fire will take them down.
Some Black Library novels depict Space Marines as able to take on small arms with impunity and resist heavier weapons such as Battle Cannons. It's kind of a grab bag if you want to talk about what Space Marines can and can't fall to. You can have marines that die like chumps to Inquisitors to god level Marines that laugh off heavy AT guns.
Wyzilla wrote: That's because Genestealer claws are sharp enough to slice molecular bonds apart.
Genestealer claws do not cause explosions every time they are swung through the air, so I doubt this.
Wyzilla wrote: Your armor doesn't mean anything to them.
And lasguns can shoot through several feet of reinforced concrete according to some lore, making it superior to genestealer claws in terms of how much it can penetrate in a single attack. And lasguns can fire faster and more accurately at longer ranges than a genestealer claw, and there's generally more lasgun fire going on than there are genestealer claws.
Keeping that in mind, autoguns are as effective as lasguns in the lore.
Space Marines get taken down by relatively low tech weapons such as sluggas quite frequently regardless of their armor. It's nonsense to assert that only heavy weapons fire will take them down.
Genestealers have several monomolecular weapons (I know Boneswords are, tying to find the damned one for Genestealer cleavers), chainswords are monomolecular, numerous bladed weapons of the adeptus astartes are monomolecular, etc. It doesn't matter if it breaks physics, it's referenced constantly in the fluff. Deal. With. It. Warhammer 40k isn't realistic, and never has been, it was a 2000AD parody first, and now is a grimdark eurofantasy set in space.
Also, power armor isn't weak. Tyranids are simply that strong. Tyranid claws are capable of shredding steel and ripping into goddamn tanks, 'Nids don't give a damn what your armor is, the only thing that's truly effective against them are iron halos.
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TheCustomLime wrote: Some Black Library novels depict Space Marines as able to take on small arms with impunity and resist heavier weapons such as Battle Cannons. It's kind of a grab bag if you want to talk about what Space Marines can and can't fall to. You can have marines that die like chumps to Inquisitors to god level Marines that laugh off heavy AT guns.
What Super Saiyan Librarian? I never heard of no Super Saiyan Librarian. There is no such thing as a Super Saiyan Librarian.
If my pedestrian grasp of physics is right monomolecular edged blades don't break molecular bonds. They're just able to push apart the molecules that make up, say, the Eldar Dire Avenger easier. With a regular blade you have to push apart a lot more of the Eldar Dire Avenger to make the cut because you have to make room for the blade as well for the cut. I believe we do have monomolecular edged blades in real life and they work great.
Honestly, they're not terribly special given the setting. I think it's just a buzzword (Which in of itself is a buzzword, ironically) like the word "Bale" for 40k writers.
TheCustomLime wrote: What Super Saiyan Librarian? I never heard of no Super Saiyan Librarian. There is no such thing as a Super Saiyan Librarian.
If my pedestrian grasp of physics is right monomolecular edged blades don't break molecular bonds. They're just able to push apart the molecules that make up, say, the Eldar Dire Avenger easier. With a regular blade you have to push apart a lot more of the Eldar Dire Avenger to make the cut because you have to make room for the blade as well for the cut. I believe we do have monomolecular edged blades in real life and they work great.
Honestly, they're not terribly special given the setting. I think it's just a buzzword (Which in of itself is a buzzword, ironically) like the word "Bale" for 40k writers.
We do have monomolecular blades in real life. Scalpels and obsidian, although they make gak weapons because they loose their edge immediately. Although apparently in 40K Nid blades self-repair to always keep their edge while admantanium, being the literally impossible metal that breaks the periodic table and sends it away crying, is incredibly, stupidly dense yet stable.
The "lasguns can shoot through feet of concrete" thing is a myth propagated as fact, apparently. No one has ever been able to provide what fluff this feat came from. A thread was even made about it awhile back.
TheCustomLime wrote: What Super Saiyan Librarian? I never heard of no Super Saiyan Librarian. There is no such thing as a Super Saiyan Librarian.
If my pedestrian grasp of physics is right monomolecular edged blades don't break molecular bonds. They're just able to push apart the molecules that make up, say, the Eldar Dire Avenger easier. With a regular blade you have to push apart a lot more of the Eldar Dire Avenger to make the cut because you have to make room for the blade as well for the cut. I believe we do have monomolecular edged blades in real life and they work great.
Honestly, they're not terribly special given the setting. I think it's just a buzzword (Which in of itself is a buzzword, ironically) like the word "Bale" for 40k writers.
We do have monomolecular blades in real life. Scalpels and obsidian, although they make gak weapons because they loose their edge immediately. Although apparently in 40K Nid blades self-repair to always keep their edge while admantanium, being the literally impossible metal that breaks the periodic table and sends it away crying, is incredibly, stupidly dense yet stable.
It's magical space metal. Perhaps Admantium is a product of the warp interacting with mundane matter? There were a lot of warp storms in the milky way after the Fall of the Eldar.
TheCustomLime wrote: What Super Saiyan Librarian? I never heard of no Super Saiyan Librarian. There is no such thing as a Super Saiyan Librarian.
If my pedestrian grasp of physics is right monomolecular edged blades don't break molecular bonds. They're just able to push apart the molecules that make up, say, the Eldar Dire Avenger easier. With a regular blade you have to push apart a lot more of the Eldar Dire Avenger to make the cut because you have to make room for the blade as well for the cut. I believe we do have monomolecular edged blades in real life and they work great.
Honestly, they're not terribly special given the setting. I think it's just a buzzword (Which in of itself is a buzzword, ironically) like the word "Bale" for 40k writers.
We do have monomolecular blades in real life. Scalpels and obsidian, although they make gak weapons because they loose their edge immediately. Although apparently in 40K Nid blades self-repair to always keep their edge while admantanium, being the literally impossible metal that breaks the periodic table and sends it away crying, is incredibly, stupidly dense yet stable.
It's magical space metal. Perhaps Admantium is a product of the warp interacting with mundane matter? There were a lot of warp storms in the milky way after the Fall of the Eldar.
Probably not. To my knowledge in 40K it's a naturally occurring element/ore in the bedrock of planets. Which means it's element 119+. Which is crazy.
getting back to the "50 space marines vs a hoard of guys with guns from atlanta" I think it's worth noting that while statisticly marine armor may not be invunerable there's mroe at work ehre. a hoard of armed civilians aren't going to have much stomach for casualties, especially MESSY casualties (like what a boltgun or chainsword would inflict. those weapons would make a horrific mess against a human) people would fire off ill disiplined shots and once the marines opened up with their bolters they'd break fast.
I dont think GW have a problem with numbers, they have a problem with scope
They also suggest that your average human will simply run away, this is simply not true look throughout the history of warfare
The great war for example, men endured for four year's in horrific conditions similiar to the same amount of terror that space marine's could enflict.
ww2 the siege of stlingrad, the storming of normandy etc, most of the soldier's that fought in WW2 were conscripts and citizens soldier's with few weeks of training, that goes for the germans as well
Basically GW underestimate the fortitue of the common man or woman, yes they are killing machine gods of war, but they can die and regularly do in the 40k universe. some street thug with a piece may not be able to to bring a marine down but a large group of armed people who's only options are kill these monsters or die are gonna make a stand.
But with the state of GW lore were marines can survive anything or be crumped by a lasgun who knows, but id lean to the more realistic side than the myth side of the universe, I see power armour more as a fully sealed enviroment suit with heavy protection that allows marines to fight in places were an average human would die, so space and hostile enviroments rather than some sort of impenetrable suit that nothing can kill
BrianDavion wrote: getting back to the "50 space marines vs a hoard of guys with guns from atlanta" I think it's worth noting that while statisticly marine armor may not be invunerable there's mroe at work ehre. a hoard of armed civilians aren't going to have much stomach for casualties, especially MESSY casualties (like what a boltgun or chainsword would inflict. those weapons would make a horrific mess against a human) people would fire off ill disiplined shots and once the marines opened up with their bolters they'd break fast.
50,000 friendly guys with satchel charges strapped to their chests.
Drop heavy construction equipment on them.
Destroy their brains with never-ending daytime telly...
Also having a monomelcular edge does not mean a blade will automatically break molecular bonds.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
Pretty sure autoguns don't shoot 8.5 inch diameter bullets...
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
Pretty sure autoguns don't shoot 8.5 inch diameter bullets...
I...what. 8.5 calibre? That's like the main guns of a pre-dreadnought battleship or something.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
Pretty sure autoguns don't shoot 8.5 inch diameter bullets...
What? I said caliber. As in metric diameter. 8.5mm would be close to something like .338.
So something like this, only with the lower receiver of an assault rifle and a much shorter barrel.
50 night lords are more than capable of killing all of tsugulsa, and atlanta, and it wouldn't take too long for them to do it either.
Remember , non stop attacking on the Night Lords part. There will be no downtime for them. They'd love the challenge, even if it is just against mostly civilians, some militia, and some military.
And theres always the warp. Crush everyones soul, and then go in for the kill.
Some of you guys compare the weapons of atlanta to the armour of the Night Lords, in a direct fight.
A direct firefight is not going to happen. The Night Lords are going to kill you from behind, all the time.
A note to atlanta:
Even with the huge numbers advantage, the Night Lords are going to infiltrate your ass. With their superior logistics and maneuverability, the Night Lords will appear right under your most potent defense forces' noses, then promptly eviscerate them - and disappear just as fast. Then a variation of the aforementioned will occur almost simultaneously, over and over again. There is no rest for the wicked, they will purge your puny selves. Thats just what they do.
And who ever said atlanta boys and girls are the Night Lords without the geneseed.... I don't think so pal.
I don't think they actually killed 10 million people by hand. That would take too long and they'd lose a lot of people on the way. I think they did it by blowing a lot of hive cities up, releasing toxins into the ecosystem and other acts of mass murder. Remember, these are the Night Lords not the World Eaters.
If you want to kill millions on a planet, it would help if you started playing with water, power and such, you could cause all manner of chaos by rerouting sewage, power cuts, water drying up or flooding to throw them off valence.
That and making air recyclers turn against people, sudonly that safe bunker is killing you etc. Adds to the fear
TheCustomLime wrote: I don't think they actually killed 10 million people by hand. That would take too long and they'd lose a lot of people on the way. I think they did it by blowing a lot of hive cities up, releasing toxins into the ecosystem and other acts of mass murder. Remember, these are the Night Lords not the World Eaters.
No, considering the palace the Night Lords lived in on the planet was made of people in the process of being tortured/terrified, then flesh scuplted, they did not blow people up, it'd be counter intuitive to what they wanted. They culled the entire population and used them to make the fortress.
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Poly Ranger wrote: Gaunts ghosts seem to be efficient at taking down chaos space marines with lasguns...
People really to stop leaving out the "shot CSM with horribly potent poison from what was possibly a railgun-similar "bow" and "shot the CSM in the helmetless face" parts of that event.
Poly Ranger wrote: Gaunts ghosts seem to be efficient at taking down chaos space marines with lasguns...
People really to stop leaving out the "shot CSM with horribly potent poison from what was possibly a railgun-similar "bow" and "shot the CSM in the helmetless face" parts of that event.
And also the part where they turned the Lasgun up to eleven.
The Fortress was flesh-scuplted through technology and what was probably Chaos taint. They took the bodies of the screaming living, then built a wall of them and cemented them together to preverse their looks of terror. The throne-room of the Night Haunter was made of still living people fused together with heretical technology(ies) screaming from the endless pain and terror inflicted on them. They were hooked up to complex life support engines under them to ensure they could never die.
Poly Ranger wrote: Gaunts ghosts seem to be efficient at taking down chaos space marines with lasguns...
People really to stop leaving out the "shot CSM with horribly potent poison from what was possibly a railgun-similar "bow" and "shot the CSM in the helmetless face" parts of that event.
And also the part where they turned the Lasgun up to eleven.
That too. Plus IIRC it was an experimental hotshot lasgun, not just a normal lasgun with a "hotshot" mag.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
LOLWUT?
uzis shoot 9mm caliber, so bigger then what you suggest... auto guns in game are not 8.5" caliber either if thats what you suggest... even bolt guns are generally described as .5 -1" cailber
auto guns are very much described as conventional arms in the fluff.
While they operate on similar principles a M4 Carbine is to a Autogun what a Scoped Mosin Nagant is to a CheyTac Intervention. Autoguns are as powerful as a directed energy weapon which can bore large holes into concrete and blow apart limbs.
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote:No amount of speed and uzis will protect you from a perfected killing machine. The heavier explosives, well maybe. The military bases in atlanta are your only hope, and they will die too.
Oh wow... Oh my. Is this what reading fan fiction is like? Are you doing, like, a character? I love it.
But I shall address your points sir. Surely *SOME* amount of speed and uzis will protect me. I mean, surely, infinite uzis and speed approaching that of light can protect me?
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote: You are up against monsters of war that have logistics the likes of which you nor your countless neighbors have seen.
Unless... you've, like, seen them before...
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote: Weapons that are extremely powerful on all fronts. Your society, the city of atlanta, will die. All of them.
ALL of the fronts?!
Ok, in that case, I retract my previous statement and concur with your assessment that all of the atlantas and societies will die.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
Pretty sure autoguns don't shoot 8.5 inch diameter bullets...
What? I said caliber. As in metric diameter. 8.5mm would be close to something like .338.
So something like this, only with the lower receiver of an assault rifle and a much shorter barrel.
8.5 caliber is an 8 and a half inch wide bullet. Did you perhaps mean .85 caliber? That's over three-quarters of an inch in size... and, no, there are no assault rifles that chambers such a round.
Caliber is not a metric measurement, it's an Imperial Standard measurement, with 1.0 Caliber being 1 inch.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
LOLWUT?
uzis shoot 9mm caliber, so bigger then what you suggest... auto guns in game are not 8.5" caliber either if thats what you suggest... even bolt guns are generally described as .5 -1" cailber
auto guns are very much described as conventional arms in the fluff.
We have to ignore GW's usage of the term "monomolecular", because it is completely inaccurate (a topic you and I have discussed previously, Wyzilla) and makes zero sense, and is even inconsistent with itself.
Making a fortress out of people is just completely absurd. The building would have no structural integrity, and after a very short amount of time it would begin to seriously rot. Putting them on life support just makes it plain ridiculous.
There's been some confusion - is it really ten million or not? If so, I'd be okay with them doing things previously mentioned, like blowing up cities and the like, but definitely not with them doing it all by bolter and chainsword.
EDIT: We should also ignore Forge World's statistics. I believe they made Land Raiders out to be less dense than water. That's not to say that autoguns aren't of superior power to their modern equivalents, though.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly. Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
LOLWUT?
uzis shoot 9mm caliber, so bigger then what you suggest... auto guns in game are not 8.5" caliber either if thats what you suggest... even bolt guns are generally described as .5 -1" cailber
auto guns are very much described as conventional arms in the fluff.
A lot of submachine guns use higher calibre rounds than assault rifles (the Uzi and MP5 both use 9mm, the MAC10 came in .45 and 9mm variants etc.) . An assault rifle typically has more power due to higher loads, not a larger round.
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
LOLWUT?
uzis shoot 9mm caliber, so bigger then what you suggest... auto guns in game are not 8.5" caliber either if thats what you suggest... even bolt guns are generally described as .5 -1" cailber
auto guns are very much described as conventional arms in the fluff.
A lot of submachine guns use higher calibre rounds than assault rifles. An assault rifle typically has more power due to higher loads, not a larger round.
I know. The difference I'm talking about is width and length. Because you can have the fattest round in history, but unless that thing has a charge behind it it's not going to do much to body armor. It's part of the reason why I just groaned when watching the Ultramarines movie with the stupid, stubby little bolter shells.
They killed lotsa people cause they're vastly more experienced soldiers than most humans are in 40k (fighting for millennia). They're still Space Marines which means they can kill normal humans faster than they can blink. Night Lords being their nasty evil selves would probably scare the living bejesus out of a lot of people. The Bleeding Eyes Raptors would spend ages hunting people to kill.
Plus there's the mass reactive RPG launchers they're packing as standard firearms
The Home Nuggeteer wrote: So this has degenerated into a, we are proud of our guns and could take space marines and the you are psychotic thugs who have nothing on marines.
I recall fluff about bullets from auto guns killing marines through eye sockets in the dark vengeance box how to play magazine insert in the shooting section. Assuming an autogun is similar to the type of semi auto weapons available in relatively large quantity in Atlanta, then statistically the angry street thugs would win, at high cost, but guerilla warfare in a city that is unfamiliar is pretty hard. I think another error we make is assuming that members of gangs do not attempt to psychologically break their enemies down and veterans of gang warfare would get with the program pretty quickly.
Just my 2 cents, take em or leave em.
Man, what.
Autoguns are not at all similar to the weapons people carry Atlanta, unless I've been under a rock and Uzis apparently shoot 8.5 caliber bullets.
Pretty sure autoguns don't shoot 8.5 inch diameter bullets...
What? I said caliber. As in metric diameter. 8.5mm would be close to something like .338.
So something like this, only with the lower receiver of an assault rifle and a much shorter barrel.
8.5 caliber is an 8 and a half inch wide bullet. Did you perhaps mean .85 caliber? That's over three-quarters of an inch in size... and, no, there are no assault rifles that chambers such a round.
Caliber is not a metric measurement, it's an Imperial Standard measurement, with 1.0 Caliber being 1 inch.
There is a thing as metric caliber. Which is also a lot simpler than Imperial. Hell I can't even remember a time when anyone called 5.56 caliber .22 Caliber. I've in fact never even really heard imperial caliber before, and mind you I live in the States (herp derp).
There is a thing as metric caliber. Which is also a lot simpler than Imperial. Hell I can't even remember a time when anyone called 5.56 caliber .22 Caliber. I've in fact never even really heard imperial caliber before, and mind you I live in the States (herp derp).
I don't think I've ever in my life heard someone refer to .22 caliber guns as 5.56 caliber.
Funny enough, the ammunition and guns listed in the examples on the table you linked to on Wikipedia use imperial caliber for 30 of them, while only listing 23 metric caliber examples.
I don't think anyone's going to start referring to a .45 as an 11.43 anytime soon.
There is a thing as metric caliber. Which is also a lot simpler than Imperial. Hell I can't even remember a time when anyone called 5.56 caliber .22 Caliber. I've in fact never even really heard imperial caliber before, and mind you I live in the States (herp derp).
I don't think I've ever in my life heard someone refer to .22 caliber guns as 5.56 caliber.
Funny enough, the ammunition and guns listed in the examples on the table you linked to on Wikipedia use imperial caliber for 30 of them, while only listing 23 metric caliber examples.
I don't think anyone's going to start referring to a .45 as an 11.43 anytime soon.
The only ones I've heard refereed to by their imperial caliber are .45 and .50. Otherwise it's 5.56, .762, 20, etc.
angelofvengeance wrote: They killed lotsa people cause they're vastly more experienced soldiers than most humans are in 40k (fighting for millennia). They're still Space Marines which means they can kill normal humans faster than they can blink. Night Lords being their nasty evil selves would probably scare the living bejesus out of a lot of people. The Bleeding Eyes Raptors would spend ages hunting people to kill.
Plus there's the mass reactive RPG launchers they're packing as standard firearms
Quoted for the fething truth.
Add up your perceived numbers of the low tech guns the atlanta dudes might have access to, if you will - but it doesn't matter.
Current earth guns? Less than a slight chance of competing with the 50 Night Lord's weapons.
The technological gap is too great. The 50 Night Lords will crush the city of atlanta, and they already did tsugulsa.
You guys really like your home towns don't yeah? You really think civilians, some militia, and some military could beat the 50 Night Lords? Freaking Night Lords?
Frozen Ocean wrote: We have to ignore GW's usage of the term "monomolecular", because it is completely inaccurate (a topic you and I have discussed previously, Wyzilla) and makes zero sense, and is even inconsistent with itself.
Making a fortress out of people is just completely absurd. The building would have no structural integrity, and after a very short amount of time it would begin to seriously rot. Putting them on life support just makes it plain ridiculous.
There's been some confusion - is it really ten million or not? If so, I'd be okay with them doing things previously mentioned, like blowing up cities and the like, but definitely not with them doing it all by bolter and chainsword.
EDIT: We should also ignore Forge World's statistics. I believe they made Land Raiders out to be less dense than water. That's not to say that autoguns aren't of superior power to their modern equivalents, though.
To be fair, this is Chaos we are talking about. They have access to Space Magic which can make up for any illogical choices.
Frozen Ocean wrote: We have to ignore GW's usage of the term "monomolecular", because it is completely inaccurate (a topic you and I have discussed previously, Wyzilla) and makes zero sense, and is even inconsistent with itself.
Making a fortress out of people is just completely absurd. The building would have no structural integrity, and after a very short amount of time it would begin to seriously rot. Putting them on life support just makes it plain ridiculous.
There's been some confusion - is it really ten million or not? If so, I'd be okay with them doing things previously mentioned, like blowing up cities and the like, but definitely not with them doing it all by bolter and chainsword.
EDIT: We should also ignore Forge World's statistics. I believe they made Land Raiders out to be less dense than water. That's not to say that autoguns aren't of superior power to their modern equivalents, though.
Don't forget how pauldrons defend the wearer by launching micro missiles!
With Atlanta thing. Arent space marine's bones (especially their chest) made out of incredibly hard matierial? I saw a quote describing their chest as being "bullet proof" on the wiki. Also I highly doubt we have anything especially in the civilian arsenal -_- if a marines armor can occasionally protect against supersonic admantium tipped explosive mini RPGs I have not doubt that Atlantian BB guns (compared to 40k) will even tickle.
Frozen Ocean wrote: We have to ignore GW's usage of the term "monomolecular", because it is completely inaccurate (a topic you and I have discussed previously, Wyzilla) and makes zero sense, and is even inconsistent with itself.
Making a fortress out of people is just completely absurd. The building would have no structural integrity, and after a very short amount of time it would begin to seriously rot. Putting them on life support just makes it plain ridiculous.
There's been some confusion - is it really ten million or not? If so, I'd be okay with them doing things previously mentioned, like blowing up cities and the like, but definitely not with them doing it all by bolter and chainsword.
EDIT: We should also ignore Forge World's statistics. I believe they made Land Raiders out to be less dense than water. That's not to say that autoguns aren't of superior power to their modern equivalents, though.
Don't forget how pauldrons defend the wearer by launching micro missiles!
walkertreat wrote: if a marines armor can occasionally protect against supersonic admantium tipped explosive mini RPGs I have not doubt that Atlantian BB guns (compared to 40k) will even tickle.
They wouldn't.
The truth of the matter is that not even mass lasguns are a real credible threat to a Space Marine, much less modern day small-arms. When people bring up the weaker armor-joints, they're neglecting to consider that:
A) No Guardsmen is going to be able to hit those joints. And
B) Even if they got past the Astartes' armor, the damage inflicted upon the Space Marine won't be enough to put him down.
The exposed "joints" on a Space Marine's armor have a surface-area of... what? Six inches at their largest parts? On a charging Space Marine, that's a bulls-eye that's bobbing erratically on a chassis that's moving at like 40 miles an hour. Hitting that would be like attempting to shoot through the six inch gap of a rolled down window on a car moving at 40 miles per hour, from 100 meters away... during an earthquake. It's not happening. It's not happening with fully-automatic fire from a distance, and in close-quarters the Marine is going to basically be a giant whirling blur of death that's already in among you and your boys and ripping them to shreds. So now you've got friendly fire to consider as well as the fact that the bastard is so close and making such sweeping movements so fast that you'll be getting barely milliseconds of opportunity to focus on any weak spot in his armor. Not that you would anyway. You'd probably be too busy gaking yourself at the scene of your squad mates getting cut in half and flooding the vicinity in viscera.
Even if, by some miracle, a las-shot manages to puncture a Marine's suit, what exactly is that supposed to do to him? There is a precedent within Studio fluff of Space Marines surviving plasma shots coring them (as in, leaving gaping 12-inch diameter holes in their stomachs)- granted they were pretty much down for the count from that, and it's implied that they died from their injuries later on, but they still had the cognitive ability immediately after getting hit to communicate and be pissed off. Compare that to a Guardsmen or a Sister or any other human, who would basically just be instantly killed by a direct hit from a plasma gun. If people in here want to use table-top stats in here (I'm not a fan), lasguns wound marines on 5's for a reason. Getting past their armor is only half of the job. A Space Marine probably wouldn't even notice that he'd taken a lasbolt or two to the knee-caps until after he'd already slaughtered everyone in the room and was moving onto his next objective.
Imperial Guard can and certainly have killed Space Marines. But a single squad armed with just Lasguns isn't going to cut it.
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That said, some thugs in Atlanta wouldn't have a damn chance. Take 100 gang bangers, give 'em AK-47's and frag grenades and give them half an hour to set up a defensive position inside a warehouse. A Space Marine would kill every single one of them who was too slow or dumb to run for their lives.
The way I always saw a Night Lords attack is that first people go missing. A few hours later people start to find the bodies, horrendously mutilated, some still alive, but with their skin peeled off. This happens for a few days, with ever increasing numbers of people going missing and the bodies turning up in a more and more horrific state.
By the time you even realise that you are under attack, the Night Lords and their allies have shut down the power supply that lights up the city and the military targets that may provide most resistance are in flames.
Over the next few days they take out everythign that they expect to offer resistance, as well as finding any areas where people have gone to hide in large groups and killing everyone they can find. After all organised resistance is gone, they then start sensor sweeps to locate the survivors so that they can finish off the job.
All the time following the main attack they will send messages to the survivors, maybe offering to let them live if they congregate in chosen areas (where they can be more easily massacred) and roadcasting the screams of those they have taken alive. In addition to this, they will take pleasure in torturing everyone who offers any resistance and letting people know the price of fighting back.
If people had a chance to organise and fight in a nice level playing ground they would win, enough guns wil stop an Astartes. The strength of the Astartes is that they do not have to stop to rest and each one will have several hundred years experience fighting the sort of wars that favour their strengths.
To be fair, this is Chaos we are talking about. They have access to Space Magic which can make up for any illogical choices.
Except they don't. If they could use magic to make humans into a viable building material, imagine what they could do with actual buildings. They'd be able to make nigh-indestructible fortresses from concrete, or AV13 Daemon Engines from wood!
EDIT: Also, why? I know the Night Lords are messed up, but seriously, why would they build a fortress from people? Why did they build a fortress at all? It serves no possible function other than to be grimdark (it's not like they were going to use it as a stronghold - and if they were, that just makes it all the worse). Were they planning on staying? If so, a more suitable building probably already existed (and I don't imagine fifty Night Lords to have any idea what they are doing in construction, and fifty people, Astartes or not, are going to take a long time to build anything worthy of the title "fortress"). If they wanted to be grimdark, they could have just done mass-crucifixion or something. Making buildings out of people is just completely absurd.
To be fair, this is Chaos we are talking about. They have access to Space Magic which can make up for any illogical choices.
Except they don't. If they could use magic to make humans into a viable building material, imagine what they could do with actual buildings. They'd be able to make nigh-indestructible fortresses from concrete, or AV13 Daemon Engines from wood!
EDIT: Also, why? I know the Night Lords are messed up, but seriously, why would they build a fortress from people? Why did they build a fortress at all? It serves no possible function other than to be grimdark (it's not like they were going to use it as a stronghold - and if they were, that just makes it all the worse). Were they planning on staying? If so, a more suitable building probably already existed (and I don't imagine fifty Night Lords to have any idea what they are doing in construction, and fifty people, Astartes or not, are going to take a long time to build anything worthy of the title "fortress"). If they wanted to be grimdark, they could have just done mass-crucifixion or something. Making buildings out of people is just completely absurd.
Cause Night Haunter was a few cards short of a full deck.
So really what happened was that Curze demanded of his legion that they "LIVING HUMAN PALACE LIVING HUMAN PALACE". After they dumped a large number of corpses into a pile, Curze leapt atop the mound and declared it the grandest construction in all Mankind's history.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
Well first, I'd like to say Atlanta is a great city. Do I think with just the small arms in the hands of civilians, we'll win? No I do not. But what no one has made the point of, is there is a lot of military bases in the surrounding area. Soldiers would flock to help the civilian population. They would bring more powerful guns, training, and probably most importantly (imo) explosives. When battles begins to head down hill (as undoubted some will), I'd wager suicide bombers or other methods that would remove both parties would appear. As no one would wants to be taken alive and wants revenge as chances are they've lost friends and family alike to this menace there would be no shortage of volunteers as well as those who've already lost too much and just wish for death. "Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite" . It would still be a slaughter of unheard of proportions but would that has the potential to be a victory.
I don't know why we're talking about Atlanta, but the modern military could easily deal with fifty Space Marines. Sure, infantry would be basically useless, but we have so much more than that.
Frozen Ocean wrote: I don't know why we're talking about Atlanta, but the modern military could easily deal with fifty Space Marines. Sure, infantry would be basically useless, but we have so much more than that.
Land Raiders are another story.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
Insane Smile wrote: But what no one has made the point of, is there is a lot of military bases in the surrounding area. Soldiers would flock to help the civilian population. They would bring more powerful guns, training, and probably most importantly (imo) explosives. When battles begins to head down hill (as undoubted some will), I'd wager suicide bombers or other methods that would remove both parties would appear. As no one would wants to be taken alive and wants revenge as chances are they've lost friends and family alike to this menace there would be no shortage of volunteers as well as those who've already lost too much and just wish for death. "Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite" . It would still be a slaughter of unheard of proportions but would that has the potential to be a victory.
Actually i pointed out Atlanta's military bases. I added militia too.
Even with the support of the local armed forces and military, the potential for victory is way too slim for atlanta.
No offense to atlanta, but... god damn. You guys really believe in yourselves, don't yah?
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Frozen Ocean wrote: I don't know why we're talking about Atlanta, but the modern military could easily deal with fifty Space Marines. Sure, infantry would be basically useless, but we have so much more than that.
Land Raiders are another story.
Well thats true the modern military forces of the whole of the USA could stamp out 50 space marines. It would be the weirdest fight they'd ever have, and pretty horrific.
That said, some thugs in Atlanta wouldn't have a damn chance. Take 100 gang bangers, give 'em AK-47's and frag grenades and give them half an hour to set up a defensive position inside a warehouse. A Space Marine would kill every single one of them who was too slow or dumb to run for their lives.
This right here is why I laugh when people say that the 40k universe has good background & stories!
Have a look at the Wrath of Iron book as well - the Iron Hands slaughter entire Hives of people - systematically, following that worlds rebellion and allegiance with Chaos. Its pretty grim stuff.
That said, some thugs in Atlanta wouldn't have a damn chance. Take 100 gang bangers, give 'em AK-47's and frag grenades and give them half an hour to set up a defensive position inside a warehouse. A Space Marine would kill every single one of them who was too slow or dumb to run for their lives.
This right here is why I laugh when people say that the 40k universe has good background & stories!
It is pretty good if you ignore most of what Black Library publishes. Or embrace it if you're into sci-fi fantasy supermen stories. I think it's strong point is that 40k lore can be what you want it to be.
@Frozen Ocean
A lot of what Chaos does is pointless and stupid. Same for the Imperium really like their Titans.
DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote:
Well thats true the modern military forces of the whole of the USA could stamp out 50 space marines. It would be the weirdest fight they'd ever have, and pretty horrific.
That's a bit too much scale. Power armour is tough, but there's a lot of very effective anti-tank firepower out there. An AC-130 and other high-power aircraft could deal with them. Fifty is really a very small number, especially without vehicles of any kind.
TheCustomLime wrote:
@Frozen Ocean
A lot of what Chaos does is pointless and stupid. Same for the Imperium really like their Titans.
At least they have the excuse that the technology was mostly pre-existing and they're just replicating it because they get results. Titans aren't all about cool factor. A people-fortress is just completely silly, and what makes it worse is how obvious it is that the writer thought it was really serious and grimdark.
It depends on the intent of the writer. If his intent was to show that Chaos is cruel and dark then yes, it does come across as GrimDerp. If the intent was to show that the people behind it are completely and utterly insane to the point where they would do things like this it does sort of work.
Still silly, though, like something Dr. Weird would do rather than the most evil beings out there. "Gentlemen, behold! A Fortress... made out of people!".
TheCustomLime wrote: It depends on the intent of the writer. If his intent was to show that Chaos is cruel and dark then yes, it does come across as GrimDerp. If the intent was to show that the people behind it are completely and utterly insane to the point where they would do things like this it does sort of work.
Still silly, though, like something Dr. Weird would do rather than the most evil beings out there. "Gentlemen, behold! A Fortress... made out of people!".
It was done to contrast and make the Night Lords look insane and make Talos look like an obliviously hypocritical idiot, or as Octavia thought, just a child. Because Curze demanded a room made out of the screaming living of the planet to sooth his aching mind... while also babbling about how he was the righteous upholder of the human truth of how anyone keeps power. Eh, it's complicated. I'll just leave it at Curze was flying rodent gak insane (pun intended ), a monster, an abomination, which was what ADB conveyed. The horrifying thing about Konrad Curze is that, while being an abomination of a human being a tenfold worse than any man in reality, he was right.
Insane Smile wrote: But what no one has made the point of, is there is a lot of military bases in the surrounding area. Soldiers would flock to help the civilian population. They would bring more powerful guns, training, and probably most importantly (imo) explosives. When battles begins to head down hill (as undoubted some will), I'd wager suicide bombers or other methods that would remove both parties would appear. As no one would wants to be taken alive and wants revenge as chances are they've lost friends and family alike to this menace there would be no shortage of volunteers as well as those who've already lost too much and just wish for death. "Corner a dog in a dead-end street and it will turn and bite" . It would still be a slaughter of unheard of proportions but would that has the potential to be a victory.
Actually i pointed out Atlanta's military bases. I added militia too.
Even with the support of the local armed forces and military, the potential for victory is way too slim for atlanta.
No offense to atlanta, but... god damn. You guys really believe in yourselves, don't yah?
My apologies I missed that. But there are five army, an air force, and a navy base within close proximity (I'm going down to about Macon), one of said army bases is Fort Benning. Fort Benning is home to four infantry brigades, an armored brigade, a cavalry brigade, an engineer battalion, a few other which I can't remember, and lets not forget the 75th Ranger Regiment. Right there is why I'd believe victory would lay with us.
No matter how you dress it up, half a company of Night Lords would kill every last one of the local military assets. If I remember right they have a few Vindicator siege tanks, some Terminator suits and a Dreadnought (for the sake of argument, assume he's awake)
If a Lasgun can hurt a Space Marine then a Bradley's Autocannon certainly can do the job and a Abrams will splatter a marine. If these were World Eaters. But these are Night Lords. If they wanted to exterminate Atlanta they have plenty of ways to do it. They could poison the water supply. They could steal a nuke and blow it to kingdom come. They could release a deadly pathogen into the air. It doesn't matter who can kill whom when we are dealing with the best terrorists that has ever existed. They are the masters of asymmetrical warfare and would cream a local garrison.
Just in case anyone was wondering, regular bolters fire 0.75 inch shells per the old Daemonhunters codex. That's 19 mm, since they explode the closest thing we have today is a 20 mm cannon (just for reference).
And the mental image of space marines attacking Atlanta is hilarious, bravo all.
In a straight stand up fight, my moneys on Atlanta, Modern firearms are likely comparable to autoguns. But it's the Night Lords, I doubt we'd get too many opportunities for a straight up fight where our numbers could win the day quickly.
TheCustomLime wrote: If a Lasgun can hurt a Space Marine then a Bradley's Autocannon certainly can do the job and a Abrams will splatter a marine.
A Lasgun can't hurt a Space Marine by itself. It's the sheer volume of fire that does it, where shots aren't just impacting the armor slabs but rather they're hitting the more vulnerable joints/seals.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
angelofvengeance wrote: No matter how you dress it up, half a company of Night Lords would kill every last one of the local military assets. If I remember right they have a few Vindicator siege tanks, some Terminator suits and a Dreadnought (for the sake of argument, assume he's awake)
And the US army has Apaches that can engage the buggers from beyond line of sight with AT weapons. Something the Marine armoury is singularly lacking in.
angelofvengeance wrote: No matter how you dress it up, half a company of Night Lords would kill every last one of the local military assets. If I remember right they have a few Vindicator siege tanks, some Terminator suits and a Dreadnought (for the sake of argument, assume he's awake)
And the US army has Apaches that can engage the buggers from beyond line of sight with AT weapons. Something the Marine armoury is singularly lacking in.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
You definitely are getting points for this. Points for thinking about the delay for military forces, but there would be three bases that would be there almost the second it hits the fan. Robins is an air force base which means they can quickly mobilize, McPherson lies inside the perimeter, and Gillem just outside it. They would be able to hold out longer and get the reinforcement from the other bases. But seriously, exalt, because you've made the best argument so far.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
Not bad, but I doubt those who actually manage to form some semblance of a firing pattern would get any results.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
You definitely are getting points for this. Points for thinking about the delay for military forces, but there would be three bases that would be there almost the second it hits the fan. Robins is an air force base which means they can quickly mobilize, McPherson lies inside the perimeter, and Gillem just outside it. They would be able to hold out longer and get the reinforcement from the other bases. But seriously, exalt, because you've made the best argument so far.
I apologise, I have no idea on Atlanta geography, but it would take about half an hour to get reports of whats happened, rally, kit up, get there and brief the officers. I was a little on the lenient side of things, but hey I enjoyed writing it.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: I checked the book Void Stalker and it was actually 25 million on the planet. So each space marine is the equivalent to several nuclear bombs?
The populations of the planet also were isolated into several distant ship-cities, and were bunched up into bunkers and quivering in fear. It wasn't really a matter of "ZOMG MASSIVE BATTLE" as it was just a Battle Brother plucking them out of a hole one-by-one to be flayed alive or killed with a gut stab.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
You definitely are getting points for this. Points for thinking about the delay for military forces, but there would be three bases that would be there almost the second it hits the fan. Robins is an air force base which means they can quickly mobilize, McPherson lies inside the perimeter, and Gillem just outside it. They would be able to hold out longer and get the reinforcement from the other bases. But seriously, exalt, because you've made the best argument so far.
I apologise, I have no idea on Atlanta geography, but it would take about half an hour to get reports of whats happened, rally, kit up, get there and brief the officers. I was a little on the lenient side of things, but hey I enjoyed writing it.
It's alright and fair point. But indeed it was a treat to read.
Medium of Death wrote: I don't think it's ten million I think it's ten thousand as epronovost pointed out.
So if 50 land then they only need to kill 200 people each to achieve that kind of number.
I think yourself and the rest of your brave friends would end up skinned and displayed from a very prominent building in Atlanta. Not to dampen your spirits or anything...
I'm pretty sure the Mongols did that kind of thing on a regular basis. Capture a major city of a hundred thousand, line up the civilians and execute them by going down the line.
Medium of Death wrote: I don't think it's ten million I think it's ten thousand as epronovost pointed out.
So if 50 land then they only need to kill 200 people each to achieve that kind of number.
I think yourself and the rest of your brave friends would end up skinned and displayed from a very prominent building in Atlanta. Not to dampen your spirits or anything...
I'm pretty sure the Mongols did that kind of thing on a regular basis. Capture a major city of a hundred thousand, line up the civilians and execute them by going down the line.
Hell that was how the Mongols completely erased a nation and it's culture before, just obliterated it. Ever heard of Khwarezmia? Of course you haven't, because Genghis Khan killed every single person living in the capital and made of a pyramid of their skulls.
Medium of Death wrote: I don't think it's ten million I think it's ten thousand as epronovost pointed out.
So if 50 land then they only need to kill 200 people each to achieve that kind of number.
I think yourself and the rest of your brave friends would end up skinned and displayed from a very prominent building in Atlanta. Not to dampen your spirits or anything...
I'm pretty sure the Mongols did that kind of thing on a regular basis. Capture a major city of a hundred thousand, line up the civilians and execute them by going down the line.
Hell that was how the Mongols completely erased a nation and it's culture before, just obliterated it. Ever heard of Khwarezmia? Of course you haven't, because Genghis Khan killed every single person living in the capital and made of a pyramid of their skulls.
BlaxicanX wrote: I wonder how people who live in Atlanta feel about this thread.
They might be wondering why people would think even space marines outnumbered 100,000 to 1 by a populace with access to thousands of hunting rifles and military hardware would be defeated by such a paltry force?
BlaxicanX wrote: I wonder how people who live in Atlanta feel about this thread.
They might be wondering why people would think even space marines outnumbered 100,000 to 1 by a populace with access to thousands of hunting rifles and military hardware would be defeated by such a paltry force?
Which are also utterly useless against posthuman demigods with milliseocnd-microsecond reaction speeds capable of dodging supersonic to hypersonic projectiles that run over forty miles per hour near contineuously and are only vulnerable in one key location, which in some cases is protected by a gorget that will neutralize all modern firearm lethality? You're delusional if you think something around street-level Marvel won't utterly obliterate Atlanta, or any other modern city.
That said, some thugs in Atlanta wouldn't have a damn chance. Take 100 gang bangers, give 'em AK-47's and frag grenades and give them half an hour to set up a defensive position inside a warehouse. A Space Marine would kill every single one of them who was too slow or dumb to run for their lives.
This right here is why I laugh when people say that the 40k universe has good background & stories!
What does the Space Marines being superhuman have to do with the quality of the background?
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
arrogant to assume they would go to london next, dc is closer and governs a gak-ton more people.
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BlaxicanX wrote: I wonder how people who live in Atlanta feel about this thread.
thank you, i live close to atlanta.
Also atlanta is pretty important in the grand scheme of things, considering the atlanta airport has more flights coming in and out daily than any other airport in the world. That is pretty frikken important, i doubt if random crap happened the national guard would ignore it. Also we have completely discounted the fact that the night lords have never been to atlanta, whilst the natives know it like the back of their hand. They would have a minor advantage if they decided to mount an insurgency campaign.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
arrogant to assume they would go to london next, dc is closer and governs a gak-ton more people.
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BlaxicanX wrote: I wonder how people who live in Atlanta feel about this thread.
thank you, i live close to atlanta.
Also atlanta is pretty important in the grand scheme of things, considering the atlanta airport has more flights coming in and out daily than any other airport in the world. That is pretty frikken important, i doubt if random crap happened the national guard would ignore it. Also we have completely discounted the fact that the night lords have never been to atlanta, whilst the natives know it like the back of their hand. They would have a minor advantage if they decided to mount an insurgency campaign.
Actually of all cities in the world, an invading group of aliens would want to hit New York. You take down the United Nations and hit the economic center of the world.
And feth, I just put myself on a watch list by typing that, didn't I?
Even if our guns can't hurt a space marine just punch them. Humans have a strength of 3 so they wound on a 5 or 6. Then if they roll a 1 or 2 they fail their armor save. So 10000 people punching chaos marines, yea they will die. Do the math.
Void__Dragon wrote: How will 10,000 people get into base combat with one Chaos Marine?
Plus when you're above ten opponents, that actually starts to put you at an advantage in martial combat, as the 10+ people are more liable to injure themselves than you.
Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Except the Crab is a pissed off and hungry Night Lord....probably with Lightening Claws and Jump Packs..... and a boltgun or pistol, just in case. <<;
That breakdown of a Night Lord attack earlier on was tits though. And damn accurate since the play book is pretty much written, here on this planet, and very little of it seems to deal with the advanced weaponry and guerrilla tactics the Night Lords are infamous for.
For those having a hard time wrapping their head around why the Night Lords would empty Atlanta in a night, try this instead. Instead of Night Lords, how about 50 Predators all working together. <<;
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Do you have any idea of how melee actually works?
In my Bujinkan dojo, one of our mid-ranked trainers could easily hold off twenty less well-trained men by himself. Their numbers avail them nothing, only a few can reach him at once and they can easily hurt each other. A trained martial artist is more than capable of turning their numbers into a disadvantage for them.
Now imagine that this trainer is far faster, absolutely massive, doesn't tire, and has the strength to crush skulls with contemptous ease. Oh, and this is all assuming you actually can do anything at all to his armour, which is dubious at best.
'Piling on him' is not going to work unless you bring a huge helicopter and dump enough humans on him to bury him alive.
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Do you have any idea of how melee actually works?
In my Bujinkan dojo, one of our mid-ranked trainers could easily hold off twenty less well-trained men by himself. Their numbers avail them nothing, only a few can reach him at once and they can easily hurt each other. A trained martial artist is more than capable of turning their numbers into a disadvantage for them.
Now imagine that this trainer is far faster, absolutely massive, doesn't tire, and has the strength to crush skulls with contemptous ease. Oh, and this is all assuming you actually can do anything at all to his armour, which is dubious at best.
'Piling on him' is not going to work unless you bring a huge helicopter and dump enough humans on him to bury him alive.
At which point he'd just dodge it anyway.
Hand to hand? No, I will admit my knowledge is limited. I assumed that if enough people swarmed a bigger threat they'll go down eventually because of sheer weight of numbers. Sort of like how Ork mobs work.
Void__Dragon wrote: How will 10,000 people get into base combat with one Chaos Marine?
Don't forget everyone who is within 2" of the base. As the Marine kills people they continue to make a pile in move.
So a human with WS 3 hits a Marine with WS 4 on a 5+. Then wounds on a 5+ then a chaos Marine saves on a 3+ so that is approxamately a 3.6% chance of killing a chaos marine. So you just need to pile in about 30 guys to kill the Chaos Marine.
*I'm not sure if you guys are missing my joke or what
Void__Dragon wrote: How will 10,000 people get into base combat with one Chaos Marine?
Don't forget everyone who is within 2" of the base. As the Marine kills people they continue to make a pile in move.
So a human with WS 3 hits a Marine with WS 4 on a 5+. Then wounds on a 5+ then a chaos Marine saves on a 3+ so that is approxamately a 3.6% chance of killing a chaos marine. So you just need to pile in about 30 guys to kill the Chaos Marine.
*I'm not sure if you guys are missing my joke or what
What joke? o__O That's good mathhammer right there. Speaking of which, is this fixed bayonets we're talking about or the stupid wrenches and shovels Chaos Cultists get to throw?
Speaking of which, funny story... had 30 man mob of cultists tear off a Terminator squad captains head one time, with a spork. I lawl'd. True story too. <<; 40k has some weird things happen sometimes. Or like the time a squad of Terminators mishap'd and teleported one of their guys waist deep in a rock. Good times.
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Have you ever tried to stop a one thousand pound biped swinging a chainsword at your face that's running as fast as your car?
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Have you ever tried to stop a one thousand pound biped swinging a chainsword at your face that's running as fast as your car?
No, because no one would ever use a chainsaw as a sword. My thought was that people, if suitably motivated, would just jump on the guy and start taking him apart. From what I understand this is impractical because a properly trained fighter can hold all of those people off.
TheCustomLime wrote: Pile on him. Take off his helmet, rip out power cables, beat his head in with a rock, get into his joints with shivs and what have you. It'd be like ants versus a crab.
Have you ever tried to stop a one thousand pound biped swinging a chainsword at your face that's running as fast as your car?
No, because no one would ever use a chainsaw as a sword. My thought was that people, if suitably motivated, would just jump on the guy and start taking him apart. From what I understand this is impractical because a properly trained fighter can hold all of those people off.
Plus the problem of the person they're jumping weighing several hundred kilos (well over a ton depending on the source), and wearing armor that will cause all wailing blows to simply end in cracking the bones of the crowd. And the Astartes having the strength to send several hundred pound soldiers flying across the room in a broken pile of bones from a simple slap.
Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
TheCustomLime wrote: Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
Orks are incredibly stronger than humans, it's like the difference between a human and a pissed off Silverback Gorilla, although thinking about it now the difference in strength may even be greater. Plus Ork Choppas are empowered by the WHAAAGH!, making as good as the numerous (and stupid) monomolecular blades used by the Imperium.
Wyzilla wrote: Orks are incredibly stronger than humans, it's like the difference between a human and a pissed off Silverback Gorilla, although thinking about it now the difference in strength may even be greater. Plus Ork Choppas are empowered by the WHAAAGH!, making as good as the numerous (and stupid) monomolecular blades used by the Imperium.
Yet Armageddon Orks Hunters will still kick some Orks asses in melee .
TheCustomLime wrote: Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
Orks are incredibly stronger than humans, it's like the difference between a human and a pissed off Silverback Gorilla, although thinking about it now the difference in strength may even be greater. Plus Ork Choppas are empowered by the WHAAAGH!, making as good as the numerous (and stupid) monomolecular blades used by the Imperium.
Wouldn't the Marine's incredible reflexes and excellent close quarter training, along with the ineffectiveness of large mobs versus a single target, make it very difficult for a slugga mob to take down the marine? Or will enough brute strength break the fether?
TheCustomLime wrote: Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
Orks are incredibly stronger than humans, it's like the difference between a human and a pissed off Silverback Gorilla, although thinking about it now the difference in strength may even be greater. Plus Ork Choppas are empowered by the WHAAAGH!, making as good as the numerous (and stupid) monomolecular blades used by the Imperium.
Wouldn't the Marine's incredible reflexes and excellent close quarter training, along with the ineffectiveness of large mobs versus a single target, make it very difficult for a slugga mob to take down the marine? Or will enough brute strength break the fether?
It's just a case of brute strength and bad terrain. If fifty orks with choppas with a couple Nobz in included jump you, and you don't have a weapon like a thunder hammer, terminator armor, a jump pack, Iron Halo/Rosarius, or a flamer, you're dead. I could maybe see a Tac Sergeant with a chainsword or a power weapon coming out on top if he was on top of elevated terrain like a hill, but fifty Orks is going to drown anyone in melee without good gear.
TheCustomLime wrote: Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
First of all, the Ork usually has a better weapon than a generic Tactical Marine (Choppas are more or less chainsword equivalent).
Second, while not as strong as the Marine, they're much stronger than a human being.
Thirdly, Orks are much harder to put down. You cut a man's head in half or rip his arm off and he's down. That's not always true for an Ork. And even harming them at all, though obviously possible for a Marine, is going to be more difficult than harming a human being.
So, with all of that in mind, I can see how 50 Night Lords could do kill millions of people. An average human has little chance of hurting a marine unless on the open battle field with a lot of AT guns. Night Lords do not operate that way so the only encounters the humans had with them was in CQC. Which probably had a similar aftermath to that of when all the monsters got lose and murdered the security forces at the end of Cabin in the Woods. So, I would say that it was probably a horrifying experience for the citizens as city after city was liquified.
TheCustomLime wrote: Huh. So, how do Ork slugga boyz accomplish swamping Space Marines? Is it because they are stronger and better with thier crude weapons or they don't and get slaughtered?
First of all, the Ork usually has a better weapon than a generic Tactical Marine (Choppas are more or less chainsword equivalent).
Second, while not as strong as the Marine, they're much stronger than a human being.
Thirdly, Orks are much harder to put down. You cut a man's head in half or rip his arm off and he's down. That's not always true for an Ork. And even harming them at all, though obviously possible for a Marine, is going to be more difficult than harming a human being.
Have you played Space Marine?
I think it is pretty accurate in how it portrays Ork VS Marine melee. (Although Marine VS Nob would be notably less of a hitstunfest.)
So, “Marine hide to get his armor back, find some lone ork to do an execution and get his health back, jump back to combat, get seriously hit, rinse and repeat” is an accurate description of Orks vs Marine melee? I only played the demo, but it ended exactly like that .
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: So, “Marine hide to get his armor back, find some lone ork to do an execution and get his health back, jump back to combat, get seriously hit, rinse and repeat” is an accurate description of Orks vs Marine melee? I only played the demo, but it ended exactly like that .
No. If you're good you don't need executions to restore health when fighting a mob, it's just a lot of back pedaling and heavy combos coupled with AOE stun. Helps though if you have a power axe or a thunder hammer.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: So, “Marine hide to get his armor back, find some lone ork to do an execution and get his health back, jump back to combat, get seriously hit, rinse and repeat” is an accurate description of Orks vs Marine melee? I only played the demo, but it ended exactly like that .
Wow…this thread cracks me up! I get it that what is being described are completely fictional characters in a fictional setting but if you try to wedge them into real world comparisons you need to use some real world facts. Like physics, for example. Sorry, but a quarter ton or heavier man isn’t moving very fast no matter how much hand-wavium you want to apply. Inertia is a very real thing despite the last transformer movie you saw. Space marines aren’t dodging much, especially bullets. Oh, and I guess it’s been said they are completely invulnerable in close combat? Even if true, so what? If they really are that invincible who’s going to bother? Just keep shooting at them. Not just with high-powered rifles, but with military hardware. Oh, let me guess…they are immune to .50 rounds or even 20-30mm and larger rounds too?
The onus is on them…they are the ones trying to exterminate the populace. If they use viral bombs or other weapons of mass destruction that is one thing, but saying 50 marines could wipe out Atlanta is preposterous. Well, not impossible given enough time I suppose, like maybe a year or two. What, are the citizens going to keep pouring into some arena so the space marine cans just slaughter them continually? No, they are going to have to hunt their prey, all the while dodging fire and avoiding any booby traps, IED’s, mines, etc. If 20 guardsmen can kill a marine then why not tens of thousands of people trying to save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: So, “Marine hide to get his armor back, find some lone ork to do an execution and get his health back, jump back to combat, get seriously hit, rinse and repeat” is an accurate description of Orks vs Marine melee? I only played the demo, but it ended exactly like that .
It's exactly like that, yes.
Not really, it just depends on the difficulty level. Although if you're fighting something other than normal boys, yeah, you're either running away or spamming the act of faith ability or whatever it was called.
Oh, let me guess…they are immune to .50 rounds or even 20-30mm and larger rounds too?
In some books, yes.
No, they are going to have to hunt their prey, all the while dodging fire and avoiding any booby traps, IED’s, mines
Atlanta doesn't have mines. It's not a militarized society.
Sorry, but a quarter ton or heavier man isn’t moving very fast no matter how much hand-wavium you want to apply
This doesn't make any sense. Plenty of football players are not terribly under a quarter-ton and move plenty fast.
then why not tens of thousands of people trying to save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones?
Because the civilian firearms in the city of Atlanta couldn't stop a modern military regiment from occupying the city, let alone half a Company of Space Marines who are half a platoon each.
Oh, let me guess…they are immune to .50 rounds or even 20-30mm and larger rounds too?
In some books, yes.
Yet they die to grot guns in game?
No, they are going to have to hunt their prey, all the while dodging fire and avoiding any booby traps, IED’s, mines
Atlanta doesn't have mines. It's not a militarized society.
There are 4 military bases within the metro area I believe. Or are they off limits in a fight to the death?
Sorry, but a quarter ton or heavier man isn’t moving very fast no matter how much hand-wavium you want to apply
This doesn't make any sense. Plenty of football players are not terribly under a quarter-ton and move plenty fast.
Space Marines are closer to cow-sized...I was trying to be generous.
then why not tens of thousands of people trying to save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones?
Because the civilian firearms in the city of Atlanta couldn't stop a modern military regiment from occupying the city, let alone half a Company of Space Marines who are half a platoon each.
Wyzilla wrote: Not really, it just depends on the difficulty level.
Why would I use anything but the highest difficulty level?
Because otherwise it becomes "lets shoot all the Chaos Space Marines from very far away to make sure we don't die to plasma cannon fire". Or Ork Commando Nobs.
I think it is pretty accurate in how it portrays Ork VS Marine melee. (Although Marine VS Nob would be notably less of a hitstunfest.)
Yes, I have played Space Marine. I don't know about that, I feel like the average Marine wouldn't fare quite as well as Titus.
Yes and no.
Talking game mechanics, fluff Marines seem to have more passive and less active damage mitigiation than Titus. Titus selfheals over time and can even get big selfheals by executing his foes, whereas it seems fluff Marines replace this with plain damage resistance, ability to parry melee attacks, et cetera.
Undoubtedly, as soon as you reach the Chaos Marine part (Especially the Daemon Prince) you notice that he's far from a bread and butter Tac Marine, but if we are talking exclusively about the parts where you combat Orks, it feels somewhat lore-consistent. Far from perfect (Orks are a tad too accurate, haha), but somewhat.
amanita wrote: Wow…this thread cracks me up! I get it that what is being described are completely fictional characters in a fictional setting but if you try to wedge them into real world comparisons you need to use some real world facts. Like physics, for example. Sorry, but a quarter ton or heavier man isn’t moving very fast no matter how much hand-wavium you want to apply. Inertia is a very real thing despite the last transformer movie you saw. Space marines aren’t dodging much, especially bullets. Oh, and I guess it’s been said they are completely invulnerable in close combat? Even if true, so what? If they really are that invincible who’s going to bother? Just keep shooting at them. Not just with high-powered rifles, but with military hardware. Oh, let me guess…they are immune to .50 rounds or even 20-30mm and larger rounds too?
The onus is on them…they are the ones trying to exterminate the populace. If they use viral bombs or other weapons of mass destruction that is one thing, but saying 50 marines could wipe out Atlanta is preposterous. Well, not impossible given enough time I suppose, like maybe a year or two. What, are the citizens going to keep pouring into some arena so the space marine cans just slaughter them continually? No, they are going to have to hunt their prey, all the while dodging fire and avoiding any booby traps, IED’s, mines, etc. If 20 guardsmen can kill a marine then why not tens of thousands of people trying to save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones?
Half ton actually, and yes he does move fast because GW said so. Yes, a .50 caliber rifle wouldn't severely injure a Marine most of the time.
As a side note, Titus -is- better than standard Marines in Space Marine. When you play Exterminatus as a standard Marine, you immediately notice a few changes compared to campaign where you are Titus:
Titus reloads slightly faster
Titus' weapons suffer less bullet spread (Most likely due to him compensating with his aim)
Titus' melee strikes with the Thunder Hammer are faster, and the last hit in each combo with chainsword and power axe are much more devastating
Titus' stun attacks are more effective
When using the Jump Pack, Titus' Ground Pound attack can be used at a far less steep angle
The difference between Captain Titus and Brother Genericus in Space Marine is noticeable.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
That happens with healthy soldiers and good morale. If you read the novel then you'd know that the citizenry they were dealing with were scared, battered, and weak.
Wyzilla wrote: Orks are incredibly stronger than humans, it's like the difference between a human and a pissed off Silverback Gorilla, although thinking about it now the difference in strength may even be greater. Plus Ork Choppas are empowered by the WHAAAGH!, making as good as the numerous (and stupid) monomolecular blades used by the Imperium.
Yet Armageddon Orks Hunters will still kick some Orks asses in melee .
Wyzilla wrote: Because otherwise it becomes "lets shoot all the Chaos Space Marines from very far away to make sure we don't die to plasma cannon fire". Or Ork Commando Nobs.
Wyzilla wrote: Because otherwise it becomes "lets shoot all the Chaos Space Marines from very far away to make sure we don't die to plasma cannon fire". Or Ork Commando Nobs.
As I mentioned, I only played the demo.
The game got nuts at the end. You even literally punch a Daemon Prince to death while falling thousands of feet from an orbital spire.
It's both a shame and a blessing that the Space Marine game isn't canon.
Wyzilla wrote: Because otherwise it becomes "lets shoot all the Chaos Space Marines from very far away to make sure we don't die to plasma cannon fire". Or Ork Commando Nobs.
As I mentioned, I only played the demo.
The game got nuts at the end. You even literally punch a Daemon Prince to death while falling thousands of feet from an orbital spire.
It's both a shame and a blessing that the Space Marine game isn't canon.
Correction: Punched THEN crushed his head. Always wear helmets people.
Wyzilla wrote: It's both a shame and a blessing that the Space Marine game isn't canon.
There is no canon. Beside, the main character is still not as good as Ciaphas Cain .
No, I mean it was confirmed to be non-canon by the Devs, and it takes place on a Forge World that was gobbled up by the Tyranids (stated so in a Codex IIRC) during the 41st Millennium with Titus, Captain of the Second Company, despite Cato Sicarus should be quite alive, and is indeed quite alive at the time.
Ironclad Warlord wrote: If 40 monsters showed up in Atlanta me and others with guns would overwhelm them with superior numbers. Its like infantry men overrunning armored formations, your looking at a massacre but it can be done.
There are times when mundane firepower in possession of civilians is laughably inefficient. When it comes to Space Marines in the fluff, lasguns and autoguns just aren't going to cut it. They will actually save the ammo to walk over to you from across the battlefield, rip your arm off of your body, and beat you to death with in front of all your friends.
Imagine a trained swordsman in armor in a locked room with 300 people. The swordsman starts to attack some of the people. Only the first 5 or so people have a chance, after 5 of them are cut in two and blood starts gushing everywhere the remaining 295 are going to trample each other trying to get out of the room. When they cannot get out they will be cut down from behind.
Very quickly most people's mind would change from how can I stop the swordsman, to how can I get away from the swordsman.
This is exactly the way the night lords operate. They show up, the 10 million people are not unified and have no real leader. They destroy any weapons that can seriously hurt them, kill anyone capable of leading, then they start brutally, gruesomely killing people and people start fleeing in terror. People start killing each other to try to live a few more minutes. Some kill themselves to avoid the torturous death at the hands of the night lords. Others die of starvation or exhaustion.
amanita wrote: Wow…this thread cracks me up! I get it that what is being described are completely fictional characters in a fictional setting but if you try to wedge them into real world comparisons you need to use some real world facts. Like physics, for example. Sorry, but a quarter ton or heavier man isn’t moving very fast no matter how much hand-wavium you want to apply. Inertia is a very real thing despite the last transformer movie you saw. Space marines aren’t dodging much, especially bullets. Oh, and I guess it’s been said they are completely invulnerable in close combat? Even if true, so what? If they really are that invincible who’s going to bother? Just keep shooting at them. Not just with high-powered rifles, but with military hardware. Oh, let me guess…they are immune to .50 rounds or even 20-30mm and larger rounds too?
The onus is on them…they are the ones trying to exterminate the populace. If they use viral bombs or other weapons of mass destruction that is one thing, but saying 50 marines could wipe out Atlanta is preposterous. Well, not impossible given enough time I suppose, like maybe a year or two. What, are the citizens going to keep pouring into some arena so the space marine cans just slaughter them continually? No, they are going to have to hunt their prey, all the while dodging fire and avoiding any booby traps, IED’s, mines, etc. If 20 guardsmen can kill a marine then why not tens of thousands of people trying to save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones?
apply the real word setting for just a second. Imagine that you live in atlanta's suburbs and one day 100 scary men in show up in downtown in body armor with automatic weapons and start shooting up the place. You hear some reports of random shootings downtown, seems a lot of people were killed and there is blood all over the streets.
Do you immidiately grab your gun, get on the subway and head downtwon?
No, you call all your friends and tell them to stay out of downtown and assume the police will handle it.
Next you hear that the police have started engadging the men downtown and they are not doing well. A lot of police officers have been killed in pretty gruesome fashion. You see some pictures of some of the police strung up on light posts by their innards one of them still barely alive. You hear the national guard is being called in to help the police.
Do you now grab your gun and head into downtown
No, you call all your friends and see what they are doing, but you find that all phone lines are busy. You talk to some people nextdoor and you find that everyone is more terrified than you are.
Next you hear that the army is losing to the armed men in downtown. You see some footage of a firefight, where 3 of these armed men proceed to walk through a few hundred troops and police officers killing them all and then the video ends.
Do you now grab your gun and head to stop them
No you start bunkering yourself and your family in the basement. You head out to buy supplies and find that looting has started, shelves are bare, and that there are no longer any police/order in your section of the suburbs. You try to call some of your friends again and find all the phone lines are dead.
Next you hear the shooting in the distance, perhaps you peak out to investigate and find that it isnt any of the scary men in body armor but just local gangs fighting with each other over drugs, supplies, guns, or living space. You notice a few houses have been burned and then you see a dead woman in the street who has been raped.
Do you now grab your gun and head to stop the scary men?
No you finish bunkering yourself and your family in the basement, lock all the doors and throw away the keys.
Then the power goes out, you hear screams every night, you smell the scent of human flesh burning, and you are starting to run out of supplies.
At some point it gets to be too much, you dont know if it's the scary men in body armor or the former citizenry out on the prowl coming to rape your daughter but you think you had better get out. You head out early in the morning, find your truck still intact and are happy you saved a few cans of gas. You load your family in the truck and head out onto the road to anywhere but here. The scenes are shocking. Everything has been looted, burned, there are bodies, most of them mutilated, everywhere. It is slow going as there are so many cars/trucks/bodies in the road. You come across some people who arent trying to kill you, but neither one of you trusts the other enough to get close enough to talk. You run into another group and have to run as they start shooting at you; there are more of them then there are of you. Finally you get out of town and feel a little bit safer, but everywhere you can see the evidence of battle.
You keep moving but eventually, if you dont starve or get killed by hard up former townsfolk, they come for you and there is nothing you can do.
Exergy wrote: Next you hear the shooting in the distance, perhaps you peak out to investigate and find that it isnt any of the scary men in body armor but just local gangs fighting with each other over drugs, supplies, guns, or living space.
I do not think local gangs would react to this that way. Would they not be bunkering themselves or something? Also, actually in that situation I expect some evacuation being ordered too. With vehicles that are more numerous and goes way faster than the scary mean, leaving them to be pretty bored.
Exergy wrote: Next you hear the shooting in the distance, perhaps you peak out to investigate and find that it isnt any of the scary men in body armor but just local gangs fighting with each other over drugs, supplies, guns, or living space.
I do not think local gangs would react to this that way. Would they not be bunkering themselves or something? Also, actually in that situation I expect some evacuation being ordered too. With vehicles that are more numerous and goes way faster than the scary mean, leaving them to be pretty bored.
How long did it take local gangs to form in haiti and for them to start looting after the earthquake? You remove all the police from an area and sooner or later you get lawlessness. Might start as small property crime but it would very quickly escalate into large organized violence.
In the Atlanta vs a planet example we must assume that it is somehow difficult to get away from Atlanta, as it is very difficut to get off a planet without a space ship. I didnt first suggest Atlanta, but I think for comparisons sake you must consider it difficult to leave. Even if it wasnt though, Atlanta does not have the transportation infrastrucutre for a mass evacuation. The trains and planes can only carry so many people and the roads will only take so many cars. Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Also 20 space marines are a lot scarier than 100 scary men of any description.
Exergy wrote: How long did it take local gangs to form in haiti and for them to start looting after the earthquake?
No idea, but since you are bringing this up now, I am going to assume it was quick.
Exergy wrote: You remove all the police from an area and sooner or later you get lawlessness. Might start as small property crime but it would very quickly escalate into large organized violence.
Well, that happened in Haiti. However, that did not happen in the aftermath of others natural catastrophes, like the many tsunamis in Asia, the earthquakes in Iran, …
Maybe this depends on in which kind of society the disaster appear. So, I guess we should look at what happened after Katrina, for instance. Oh well, maybe you would get gangs of thugs rampaging the streets .
Exergy wrote: In the Atlanta vs a planet example we must assume that it is somehow difficult to get away from Atlanta, as it is very difficut to get off a planet without a space ship.
You do not need to get away from the planet, just away enough from the marines .
Exergy wrote: Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Are you kidding? There is enough gasoline to take basically all those peoples to work every single day. Why would there not be enough gasoline to evacuate them in a special case of emergency?
Exergy wrote: Eventually there will not be enough gasoline to facilitate 3 million people all leaving at the same time.
Are you kidding? There is enough gasoline to take basically all those peoples to work every single day. Why would there not be enough gasoline to evacuate them in a special case of emergency?
Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Second most people commute an less than 15-20 miles to work and fill up their tank once a week. Everyone leaving requires 500+ miles.
A few of the first people fill up gas cans, taking more than they need and that leaves less for everyone else.
Exergy wrote: Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Let us say that this amount to 30% of people. Now, how many people fill up the 5+ places in their cars when they go to work? Not many. Add to that that big common transportation will consume less gasoline per person, and you really have enough gasoline to evacuate everyone if it is done in an orderly and organized fashion. Less so if it is not done in an orderly and organized fashion, but then I would say traffic jam are going to be the real problem, not gasoline.
Exergy wrote: Only a small portion of soceity actually works. Many people are retired, work from home, are children, take mass transit, or walk to work.
Let us say that this amount to 30% of people. Now, how many people fill up the 5+ places in their cars when they go to work? Not many. Add to that that big common transportation will consume less gasoline per person, and you really have enough gasoline to evacuate everyone if it is done in an orderly and organized fashion.
Less so if it is not done in an orderly and organized fashion, but then I would say traffic jam are going to be the real problem, not gasoline.
Ill give you that traffic is going to be a problem, it's also going to kill your gas mileage
60% of the population is of working age
65% of working age actually work(are workers)
89% of workers commute(8% work from home full time, 3% telecommute)
90% of commuters use a car
so 31% of people drive a car to work, a very good estimate of yours.
The problem is the supply of gas in a city. At any given moment, we can assume that all the cars in a steady state city or area are half full(some people recently filled up, others have gas but not a lot, some are in need of gas). The average car's tank is 20 gallons, so each car needs 10 to be full.
There are 5 million people in Atlanta, lets say 3 million cars(there are actually 5 million, but some people have 2 cars). There are ~2000 gas stations in Atlanta, and unfortunately they are close to half full too. The average gas station holds 15,000 gallons, has 8-9000 gallons left. So to fill the 3 million cars, you are going to need 30 million gallons of gas, but in the city you only have ~20 million gallons at most.
That sounds pretty good, if you orderly rationed the gas everyone would get 5/6 of a tank(they had 1/2 to start)
but it isnt going to be orderly rationed. Some people are gonna fill up a gas can or three. Some people are going to fill up all of their cars, even though they cannot drive all their cars. Some gas stations are going to be mobbed with people and go dry while others don't see any customers. People will drive around endlessly looking for a gas station that has gas or waiting in line to fill up(when scary people attack, you don't want to be waiting in line at a gas station)
And that only gets you ~100 miles out of town(the traffic eats your gas mileage)
Then you have an extra 5 million people in a rural area with not too many gas stations.
Now there is gas, a lot of people are going to make it out, but a lot of them are going to have to go to 3+ gas station before they fill their tank. People will be price gouging, charging $10+ a gallon. Having to go to 3+ gas stations, wait in a long line at a few stations, and then paying $10 is going to undermine society. Hence the gangs of looters and peoples lack of faith in society and the government.
Some of those people are going to run out of gas, and then being stranded out away from their home, they are going to get cut down. If 2.5 million of the 5 million get away, but 2.5 million die. I wouldnt call it a success for the city. With everyone fleeing the economy will cease to exist, eventually there will be no more gas/food/supplies coming into the city or really anywhere else nearby. The 100 angry men will eventually catch up to those who fled. No one is going to band together the hungry/fuel starved peasantry to make a stand. Everyone will be too dispersed by this point.
were the third most violent city in the US so i'd say we'd have the best chance.
You are just men. Enslaved men. Wage slaves. You spend most if not all of your time either toiling away at some annoying job. bar fights, drug deals gon wrong some militia or something - these experiences wont lead you guys to stand a chance against 50 Night Lords.
No amount of speed and uzis will protect you from a perfected killing machine. The heavier explosives, well maybe. The military bases in atlanta are your only hope, and they will die too.
You are up against monsters of war that have logistics the likes of which you nor your countless neighbors have seen. Weapons that are extremely powerful on all fronts. Your society, the city of atlanta, will die. All of them.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
Aah, yes. Yes off course, the Nightlords are the stealthiest out of all the marines. You won’t have time to scream when you see them coming for you, because you’re simply too busy laughing like a maniac at their silly clown suits.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
Aah, yes. Yes off course, the Nightlords are the stealthiest out of all the marines. You won’t have time to scream when you see them coming for you, because you’re simply too busy laughing like a maniac at their silly clown suits.
Night Lords actually almost never wear bat ears. The helmets are ceremonial and are a very rare find.Typically Night Lords actually just run around in scavenged armor, or the Raptors wear freakishly mutated armor.
Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
These are what Night Lords looked like during the Horus Heresy.
And here's first claw, which I'd consider an official picture of more or less because ADB needed a new set of pants upon receiving it. Only Xarl wears the ceramonial helmet still, everyone else is stuck with scavenged armor. Also note that it fits Xarl as well because he's pretty much the Company Champion. However, everyone else is stuck with what was the most recent kill- Talos for example wears blood angel armor through most of the series after killing a group and having his artificer shave off a lot of the iconography.The fact that GW actually sells bat-winged Night Lord helmets is hilarious and proves they don't even know one of their own factions. A fluffy version of Night Lords would be kitbashed with CSM and SM kits.
Wyzilla wrote: Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
Yes. I have read these books you mentioned. Regardless, the fact that ADB has decided to depict his tiny band of 4 night lords without winged helmets, doesn’t really prevent other night lords from wearing those winged helms as standard head protection.
Abysmal as they are, flutter helms have always been a part of the Night Lord’s look and GW agrees with me.
Wyzilla wrote: Have you read the Night Lords trilogy by ADB or all the Night Lord stories in the HH?
Yes. I have read these books you mentioned. Regardless, the fact that ADB has decided to depict his tiny band of 4 night lords without winged helmets, doesn’t really prevent other night lords from wearing those winged helms as standard head protection.
Abysmal as they are, flutter helms have always been a part of the Night Lord’s look and GW agrees with me.
Except Forge World doesn't, and we know during the Horus Heresy that only Raptors ever appeared to wear winged helmets, and that we know that the winged helmets were ceremonial. Again, there's no evidence to actually support Night Lords on a whole wearing winged helmets. They're extremely rare, the only guys that should even have them are champions from the Horus Heresy. Unless they have production to actually make new armor, it's impossible for any winged helmets to still exist en masse due to the 10,000 years that have passed since the HH. Almost all armor since them, with the poor care of CSMs, would have been rendered nonfuctional. Hence why Night Lords scavenge their armor.
Also, the Night Lords trilogy didn't just have a depleted Company, at one point the entire Night Lords Legion united to claim a recording of Konrad Curze's death.
Oh, and to boot, those helmets are several editions old and probably aren't even production anymore.
Blah blah ADB this, forgeworld that. This is how GW has chosen to portray the Night Lords.
If you want to model your night lords without helms with wings on them, then that’s fine. ADB and FW gave you some wiggle room so you could do just that. Regardless, the larger part of the Night Lords legion in 40k wears flutter helms.
Blah blah ADB this, forgeworld that. This is how GW has chosen to portray the Night Lords.
If you want to model your night lords without helms with wings on them, then that’s fine. ADB and FW gave you some wiggle room so you could do just that. Regardless, the larger part of the Night Lords legion in 40k wears flutter helms.
The first picture is from Index Astartes... which is horribly out of date by around three editions, if not four. The second picture is of the Night Lords raid on Vilamus where they teamed up with the Red Corsairs and sacked the Marines Errant fortress monastery. Meaning that's probably Xarl... the guy who wore the bat wings.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
You'd never catch him, and he'd proceed to scare the gak out of everyone he chooses to reveal himself for- and promptly kill them.
He can without worry take down a squad or platoon at a time. You can't do gak to stop him. If half a dozen CSM can utterly demolish an IG company with ease, do you think earth-guns would be anything more than comedy to them?
And if 10 Kasrkins + a psyker are able to kill 2 Plague Marine losing only 3 Kasrkins in the process, the city's going to be fine.
Because Plague Marines have the evasion abilities of a drunk elephant.
Who has yet to realize its him thats upside down, not the world. And dont forget Kasrkins have weapons designed to penetrate trator marine armor, and between the 10 of them much better training than 10 million humans who were abandoned on some backwoods planet the imperium doesnt want.
The actual 'invasion' would happen about Friday or Saturday at about 0300. The week leading up to that, would see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill and occasionally dying - to a new disease, and military bases would also reported multiple cases of break ins and sabotage (the instances they notice that is).
Friday night comes round and people go out dancing and drinking, including a large number of service men/women. Overall less people are out due to the recent deaths and sickness, but people continue to go out none the less.
0200. The time when most people are intoxicated/tired from dancing. The Night Lords reveal themselves. Slaughtering thousands in the streets and the explosives hidden during the last week detonate, leveling buildings, bridges and destroying armories and vehicle depots. All of this takes place over the next half hour, maybe forty-five minutes.
Local law enforcement arrive first. Then the state troops arrive and split into combat columns. They find the grisly remains of the police and SWAT teams hanging from lamp posts and nailed to cars. Only the aren't remains, they are screaming, not from the pain of being flayed or have their legs torn off and their eyes pealed open, but from the mental images they can't get out of their heads of what they have seen.
The state troops are getting nervous and tight on their trigger fingers, when all of the communication devices in the city start screaming and wailing. From every cellphone to each radio in the remaining armored units still functioning, they all emit this horrific and utterly terrifying scream. A moment of mass confusion occurs, when the state troops have no idea what to do.
That's when the Night Lords attack them. Not from the front, or the sides, or the rear. From about. They leap from buildings into the midst of the columns of state troopers. Only three Nights Lords for each column. They don't use bolt guns, no that would be to easy and waste ammunition. They rip into the state troopers with combat blade, chain swords nearly the size of a normal man and flaying knives. Many are dead before the terrified state troopers react, many flee - right into the second wave of individual Night Lords hidden around routes where the troopers run mindlessly. Most are cut down or wounded and left to lie there screaming and whimpering.
Those that stand and fight manage to lay down some coherent fire patterns, and possibly manage to bring down a couple of Night Lords. The armored state units are systematically destroyed by melta fire, missile launchers or satchel charges wielded by the third lot of Night Lords appearing on the roofs and the rear. Infantry units are carved apart piecemeal, and the final pockets of resistance are neutralized. Hundreds if not thousands die.
Its now 0330
The first units from Army arrives at around 0400 but decide to wait for reinforcements, which arrive over the next hour. Air recon reports nothing. Just the empty city, and some odd shapes on the ground level. Close Air Support is on station.
0500. Silence. Complete silence, as the professional military units move through the first few blocks of the city. Much of the residential zones are burned or leveled. Blood coats the side walks and the streets, no bodies are anywhere to be seen. what sounds like a brief fire fight echoes through the city. All units respond except command, or the units stationed as reserve. Forward recon units report that they found the shapes. Hundreds of flayed bodies, arranged in patterns around the city.
The Night Lords are never seen again. The entire population of Atlanta is eradicated, and the city is left a ghost town. No one enters the city again, and napalm is used to destroy the symbols and to try and kill any remaining Night Lords.
In London, officials see a large rise in murders both single and serial, hospitals reporting vastly increased number's of people falling ill. . .
I LOVE the bat helms personally, and bought a bunch of them back when GW had a bitz bin on their site.
And I routinely say that the Night Lords Hero is my favorite model by far, and only hate that its just unusable... Powerfist and combi-flamer? I had to eventually take the Power fist off and just give him an extra pistol arm.
But check out the heads on his shoulder guard, and the body parts hanging off his neck!
The fact that Night Lords can remain stealthy and unseen for so long despite being 9 feet tall, wearing bulky armor with gaudy paintjob and firing extremely loud weapons is one of the greatest mysteries of the 41st Millennium.
Ashiraya wrote: The same way Curze was sneaking around, of course.
You mean the guy who uses his psychic powers to literally cloak himself in shadows?
and all who carry his geneseed have some degree of the same powers Kurze had himself.
Kurze had near perfect foresight long into the future. He knew the Imperium was going to send an assassin to kill him decades before it happened.
While much less powerful, it is likely that a lot of night lords can hide themselves just by seeing slighly into the future and seeing where people are going to look.
Ashiraya wrote: The same way Curze was sneaking around, of course.
You mean the guy who uses his psychic powers to literally cloak himself in shadows?
and all who carry his geneseed have some degree of the same powers Kurze had himself.
Kurze had near perfect foresight long into the future. He knew the Imperium was going to send an assassin to kill him decades before it happened.
While much less powerful, it is likely that a lot of night lords can hide themselves just by seeing slighly into the future and seeing where people are going to look.
Ashiraya wrote: The same way Curze was sneaking around, of course.
You mean the guy who uses his psychic powers to literally cloak himself in shadows?
and all who carry his geneseed have some degree of the same powers Kurze had himself.
Kurze had near perfect foresight long into the future. He knew the Imperium was going to send an assassin to kill him decades before it happened.
While much less powerful, it is likely that a lot of night lords can hide themselves just by seeing slighly into the future and seeing where people are going to look.
I would definitely like to disagree with the "near perfect foresight" part. Did he have foresight? Yes. Was it anywhere near perfect? No. Unless you consider a foresight that is always altered to be worst case scenario.
Oh wow... Oh my. Is this what reading fan fiction is like? Are you doing, like, a character? I love it. 
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