TheMeanDM wrote: For this year's season.....never too early to start the speculation and such
Will Johnny Football be the starter (to begin, or will he start later during the season)?
Will Chris Johnson fit with the Jets....will he handle the load or will it be RBBC?
Who is going to challenge the NFC West leaders this year ('49ers and my beloved Seahawks)?
Will Sherman fall prey to the Madden curse....or will he largely avoid it like Megatron (1,900 yards receiving! )?
Who will be the worst team this year....and how bad will they be?
Biggest rookie impact?
Biggest rookie bust?
Lets get it started!!
1. Johnny manziel at this point isn't, and I don't think he should be either
2. He'll get a shot at least, Cris Ivory should get some touches but CJ should be the feature back (as long as he doesn't drop to a 3.5 YPC or less)
3. I think the 49ers will win it, it's still a really tough division, I see the Cards & Seahawks sliding (from last years records) and the rams gaining ground on them
4. Well Calvin Johnson personally didn't get afflicted but the Lions went 4-12 that year, like I said I can see the Seahawks not repeating as division champs
5. Detroit 2-14
6. Depends on the situation, Teddy Bridgewater could do it but so could Bishop Sankey or Zack mettenburger (If Locker gets injured, not that there's evidence of it at all) of the Titans
Argh training camp hasn't even started! So long till football wahwahwah!
I think manziel is going to be a HUUUUUUUGE bust.
Cj2k will be back in good form. The jets are a runfirst offense and they have 2 bruising backs to soften defenses up for CJ to take an 80yard to the house.
Gotta agree what Manziel is going to be a bust. I don't think he's going to be as epic a bust as say, Ryan Leaf, but he does not have the maturity for the game and that is going to come out in a big way this season.
Well, it would be nice if a meteorite landed on the owner of the 'Skins (a small one, so nobody else got hurt) and they got a new owner who would allow the coach to do his job.
...but that ain't likely.
I predict that RG3 will continue to *not* be Football Jesus, a fact that not a single Washington fan will admit to.
Worst team? A toss up between Detroit, Oakland, Jacksonville, and Washington. How bad? Well, one of those teams went 0-16 in recent memory. I'm sure the others can manage to do just as badly, though not all at the same time, of course.
squidhills wrote: Worst team? A toss up between Detroit, Oakland, Jacksonville, and Washington. How bad? Well, one of those teams went 0-16 in recent memory. I'm sure the others can manage to do just as badly, though not all at the same time, of course.
Really? Detroit is going to be the worst team in the NFL in 2014 because of their record in 2008? Come on bro.
squidhills wrote: Worst team? A toss up between Detroit, Oakland, Jacksonville, and Washington. How bad? Well, one of those teams went 0-16 in recent memory. I'm sure the others can manage to do just as badly, though not all at the same time, of course.
Really? Detroit is going to be the worst team in the NFL in 2014 because of their record in 2008? Come on bro.
Am I misunderstanding your reasoning?
No, they may turn out to be the worst team in the NFL in 2014 because of their record every season that wasn't in the 1990s is my reasoning. They just happen to be the team that went 0-16 in recent memory, which is why I mock them. And why their own fans mock them, too. And don't feel bad. As I said, the other three teams I mentioned are perfectly capable of performing just as badly as Detroit did back in 2008.
curran12 wrote: Gotta agree what Manziel is going to be a bust. I don't think he's going to be as epic a bust as say, Ryan Leaf, but he does not have the maturity for the game and that is going to come out in a big way this season.
People need to stop with the puritanical stuff regarding Manziel. What crime or great wrong has he committed? Go read up on the gak that guys like Kenny Stabler and Joe Namath used to do back in the day. What about Matt Stafford or Colin Kaepernick these days? Do a Google search and you'll find plenty of pics of those guys partying with bikini-clad chicks, etc. He's not doing lines of coke off hookers like Michael Irvin, and even he kept his partying separate from his job enough to become a HoF WR.
Manziel may or may not be a bust, but that's going to be based on his ability to play football, and not because he has fun in his free time JUST LIKE MANY OTHER NFL PLAYERS.
TheMeanDM wrote: For this year's season.....never too early to start the speculation and such
Will Johnny Football be the starter (to begin, or will he start later during the season)?
Will Chris Johnson fit with the Jets....will he handle the load or will it be RBBC?
Who is going to challenge the NFC West leaders this year ('49ers and my beloved Seahawks)?
Will Sherman fall prey to the Madden curse....or will he largely avoid it like Megatron (1,900 yards receiving! )?
Who will be the worst team this year....and how bad will they be?
Biggest rookie impact?
Biggest rookie bust?
Lets get it started!!
1. Manziel plays in, tops, 12 games this season, and I'd be surprised if he started more than 8. Rumblings from Cleveland is that Hoyer has looked MUCH better and he's not a PR disaster that Manziel is slowing becoming.
2. I think he could, but it depends on how that O-Line looks after all the injuries last season.
3. Can't see anyone doing it. San Fran and Seattle are clearly the cream of the crop. I think the Packers could be good if they stay healthy, and I want to believe in the Lions...but....they're the Lions. I think Brees and the Saints are going to miss that RB more than they expected.
4. I think he avoids it, mostly, and if only because he already got injured. It'll be interesting to see how his recovery is on the field from that injury, though.
5. I'm a bit biased, but I think the Bengals are going to see some IMMEDIATE impacts from Darquez Dennard. I can't believe he fell so far. Addtionally, I think Carlos Hyde (what a steal) is going to be a huge impact player for the 49ers. He's a helluva running back and I think is the future there after Frank Gore.
6. Manziel - I don't think he ends up starting more than half the games this season, if any. I think he's going to be a nightmare for them PR wise.
Josh Gordon got arrested again... This guy just doesn't get it. He had a multi million dollar check waiting for him and just can't get off the sauce/herb... I wonder what they'll do? Just a year long ban or do they go straight to lifetime? This is like his 7th violation isn't it?
Somehow the suits will get that 0.09 BAC reduced...just wait and see.
I had a friend nearly get out of a speeding ticket because he could prove that there was slight variance in the accuracy of the radar guns (per the manufacturer).
The judge agreed with him about that, but couldn't dismiss the ticket for other reasons.
It's going to be an odd year, as unless we get a season repeat anything else just can't live up to the hype and fun we had last season (I'm a Broncos fan, Aurelia (my wife) is Seahawks.) as it just kept building.
However we are both looking forward to the new season, even if I think neither of us are expecting to see another joint Superbowl game, Although of course, I wouldn't say no to the idea.
As to predictions, too early for me yet... want to see some pre games before I make any bold statements, following Decker's feed mind (don't have the heart to delete him off my facebook yet) he seems to be settling in with the Jets.
Honestly, I don't think Manziel will be *the* starting QB for the browns this year. I think he may get 1 or 2 spot starts, based on injury, but I think he'll come off the bench in more games than that.
I don't think anyone will really challenge the Seahawks this year, except for the 9ers, but the 'Hawks kind of have the 49ers number in recent years... I think that if another team from the NFC is going to win the Super Bowl this year, it won't be from the NFC West.
As for team doing the worst this year, I think AZ, Philly or one of the NY teams will do that, with possibly the Florida teams popping in there (Jaguars and Dolphins)
As crazy as this sounds I can really see the young Seahawks roster get a little complacent this year. Would not be surprised if they can't handle the attention. I could definately see them having a down year. I don't necessarily think it'll happen but we've seen it time and time again. We really get to see what their made of. Can they start a dynasty like the patriots, steelers, 9ers or cowboys of the 80's/90's? Well see.
Worst team IMO this year will be the titans. I think AZ will be fine. Ariens is a really underrated coach. The jaguars could be up there as well.
How hard is it to make sure no one takes a photo of you in a bathroom about to rail some lines? Jeez Louise.
There is a reason why even the Cowboys and Texans passed on him. It's been known since he was coming out of highschool that he had major character concerns. The only reason he worked with ATM is because they wanted to win at all costs and were willing to cover up his indiscretions. Anyone who was around during the old SWC days knows what i'm talking about. They would send recruits Fedex packages with thousands of dollars inside before they even signed.
TheMeanDM wrote: For this year's season.....never too early to start the speculation and such
Will Johnny Football be the starter (to begin, or will he start later during the season)?
He'll start at some point but unless he completely lights it up I don't think it'll be for all 16 games.
Who is going to challenge the NFC West leaders this year ('49ers and my beloved Seahawks)?
No one in the NFC West. I think the Cardinals will slip a little simply because of their schedule and a lack of major improvement and the Rams don't have all the pieces in place yet to go to the next level. I'm not too high on the Packers just yet but the Saints are going to be lethal. In the end though, it'll be Seattle in the championship game again. They're a better team than they were last year. Every position is loaded.
Will Sherman fall prey to the Madden curse....or will he largely avoid it like Megatron (1,900 yards receiving! )?
He'll be fine. And if he's not there are players waiting in the wings to take his place.
Who will be the worst team this year....and how bad will they be?
Titans, undoubtedly. Aside from a very good offensive line and potentially interesting running game, they have very little with talking about. I remember a podcast I was watching talked about teams you'd tune in to watch even if you don't support them, and I think the Titans simply aren't worth watching. 2-4 wins.
Biggest rookie impact?
One of the first round safeties or Brandon Cooks. Brees will really find a way to use Cooks and he has the skills to play immediately.
Biggest rookie bust?
If there's going to be a massive rookie bust, Manziel is surely the top candidate. Dodgy attitude, uncertain ability, massive pressure. He'll be a star or nothing at all.
Chancetragedy wrote: As crazy as this sounds I can really see the young Seahawks roster get a little complacent this year. Would not be surprised if they can't handle the attention. I could definately see them having a down year. I don't necessarily think it'll happen but we've seen it time and time again. We really get to see what their made of. Can they start a dynasty like the patriots, steelers, 9ers or cowboys of the 80's/90's? Well see.
Worst team IMO this year will be the titans. I think AZ will be fine. Ariens is a really underrated coach. The jaguars could be up there as well.
I am a Seattle native, and while I don't see the team getting complacent, I am hardly certain of the ability to craft a dynasty. It is not that I doubt the Hawks, it is more that it is so hard in the NFL today to string together multiple championship seasons with the way the salary cap works. It's so much more difficult to keep a great team in one place when all of them want a bigger piece of the pie. But that said, at least this year they have the core intact, so if it is going to happen, I think it will be this year.
I am a Seattle native, and while I don't see the team getting complacent, I am hardly certain of the ability to craft a dynasty. It is not that I doubt the Hawks, it is more that it is so hard in the NFL today to string together multiple championship seasons with the way the salary cap works. It's so much more difficult to keep a great team in one place when all of them want a bigger piece of the pie. But that said, at least this year they have the core intact, so if it is going to happen, I think it will be this year.
I think that the 'Hawks will be fine, as long as they keep character guys like Wilson on the payroll for fairly low. Honestly, in hearing Wilson talk to media and whatnot, I don't think he'll listen to his agent much and take more money. He just seems like a very class act who genuinely wants to do good things in the community as well as the game, unlike that OTHER starting QB for that one NFC West team we won't mention by name
Yah I guess it depends on your opinion of bust for clowney. But I cannot see him joining up with a guy like Watt and then being a bust. I feel like watt just won't allow that to happen ;p. I see low end being Mario Williams high end beig another Watt type player.
He may or may not be a bust, but he's certainly got all the athletic ability in the world, and will get ample opportunities to shine.
Regarding Seattle and a SB hangover, every SB-winning team says they're just as hungry and focused the season after, and yet we haven't seen anyone repeat in about 10 years. History suggests that they'll have a hangover too. And that it will soon become harder for them as players -- especially the QB -- get paid. The salary cap is a sonuvabich.
Did anybody else wonder why the hell some dude was taking pictures in the guy's bathroom....and why he didn't get his head stomped in?
In all honesty, I think JM has already clarified that he knows that everything he does is under scrutiny.....so, in my opinion, he is just trolling the media.
After all, there is no such thing as "bad publicity".
TheMeanDM wrote: Did anybody else wonder why the hell some dude was taking pictures in the guy's bathroom....and why he didn't get his head stomped in?
In all honesty, I think JM has already clarified that he knows that everything he does is under scrutiny.....so, in my opinion, he is just trolling the media.
After all, there is no such thing as "bad publicity".
I don't feel he's smart enough to realise that, he can just get away with anything because he was an above average SEC Qb
He either be a bust or end up in Canton, can't see a middle ground for him
Ensis Ferrae wrote:Who do y'all think will be legitimate playoff teams, and who you got playing in/ winning the Superbowl?
AFC Divisions Winners:
New England, Indianapolis, Denver & Pittsburgh
Wildcards:
Two from: San Diego, Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston Kansas City & if Geno doesn't feth it up the Jets, Titans might get close as well
NFC Division Winners:
Green Bay or Chicago, Philly, New Orleans, and San Fran
Wild Cards
Two from: Chicago/Green Bay, Seattle, Atlanta, with Dallas, New York, Carolina, St. Louis, Arizona having a shot
As for the SB I definitely see the Colts making it, NFC's much more open but any team from the NFc North & West that make or the Saints all stand a good chance imo
NFC Division Winners:
Green Bay or Chicago, Philly, New Orleans, and San Fran
Wild Cards
Two from: Chicago/Green Bay, Seattle, Atlanta, with Dallas, New York, Carolina, St. Louis, Arizona having a shot
I definitely don't agree with your NFC West division champ (but then, I AM biased towards the Seahawks), but Generally agree with the rest of the picks.
Personally, the NFC North, is still a Green Bay and Chicago division, so both of those teams are probably playoff bound (unless they do the NFC East thing, and just decimate each other so badly that they have poor records thus forcing a "win and your in" situation), I don't really pay attention to the NFC South, but I've yet to see a real eyebrow raising personnel move from the Saints, so they seem like a good pick, provided they stay healthy. The NFC East is still, to me too open to really, honestly call one way or another. All 4 teams will probably be right around .500 and will beat the hell out of each other, providing only 1 playoff spot... Unless something goes horribly wrong in the rest of the NFC of course
The NFC West, I still see as Seattle's to lose, with SF taking the Wildcard spot, unless St. Louis or Arizona's recent draft picks/free agents really pull some upsets.
AFC, I'll go Oakland, New England, the Colts, and B-more, with Pitt and Denver pulling the WC slots. Oakland is simply because, as a young, naive little boy, the Silver and Black was my team, and as a result I fething hate the Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs
Also, feth New England, I'm sure they'll be at the center of yet another "cheating" scandal this year . I don't particularly like Andrew Luck, but I can't deny that he's forcing that team to do good things on the field. And Baltimore, because well, the Bengals never really seem to "learn"... They'll have one GREAT year that nearly puts them over the top, but then the following year, they do the exact same thing, which is bad, because the good teams like Pittsburgh, and B-more aren't fooled the second time around.
TheMeanDM wrote: Did anybody else wonder why the hell some dude was taking pictures in the guy's bathroom....and why he didn't get his head stomped in?
In all honesty, I think JM has already clarified that he knows that everything he does is under scrutiny.....so, in my opinion, he is just trolling the media.
After all, there is no such thing as "bad publicity".
I think you nailed it. The guy is smarter than most of his critics. Mostly by his own design, he's a "brand" before he's even taken one NFL snap. Americans love to JUDGE and pretend they have a moral high ground. Just look at reality TV. Manziel's just playing right into that. The reality TV show will come eventually...just watch.
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: I don't feel he's smart enough to realise that, he can just get away with anything because he was an above average SEC Qb
He had a Wonderlic score of 32, which puts him ahead of the average scores for the following professions:
No. I've taken it. It's a timed test of 50 questions on a variety of subjects that are supposed to get progressively more difficult. Your score reflects how many questions you answered accurately. So yes, speed counts, but you have answer the questions correctly.
We can talk endlessly about the value or accuracy of this or that standardized test, but the point remains that Manziel scored well compared to the average in some fairly "smart" professions. He's a smart guy.
Ahh yeah... I knew it was one of them gambling towns But yeah... I know in most other "strict professional codes" type jobs (like the military) if you did something like this you're looking at jail time, and the food stamps line afterwards.
I wish they'd take one of these cases, and really make an example of the guy. Certainly he needs help, but he shouldn't have that job because he is a public figure, and that presents a bad image (but it IS Baltimore, so I guess it's no different from many of the fans right?)
And the best part of the whole situation??? The woman married this fether!
Hey now...his wife DID say that she was sorry for "the role I played in the incident that night." She just kept putting her face in front of Rice's fist!
This is why players have no respect for Goodell. They see good guys get the book thrown at them for taking Adderall or because the guy they tackled dropped his head. But beating your wife unconscious and dragging her out of an elevator is just a case of boys being boys. Unreal.
Marshawn lynch reportedly holding out from camp. That's gonna be pretty big if he holds out for a while because almost no one is the same guy they were after a long holdout.
Also did anyone see the new point of emphasis on defensive holding and pass interference stuff? Screw you nfl, a defensive team HUMILIATES your "golden boy" so you continue to try and change rules to make him more successful. Here's a hint, like in 2004 it STILL WONT WORK.
Chancetragedy wrote: Marshawn lynch reportedly holding out from camp. That's gonna be pretty big if he holds out for a while because almost no one is the same guy they were after a long holdout.
Also did anyone see the new point of emphasis on defensive holding and pass interference stuff? Screw you nfl, a defensive team HUMILIATES your "golden boy" so you continue to try and change rules to make him more successful. Here's a hint, like in 2004 it STILL WONT WORK.
What changed on DH and PI?
Those started after the RAMS lost to the Patriots in '01.
Nothing "changed" per say. Except the nfl is making it a point of emphasis to call the penalty more. They did this in 2004 after the colts and rams had been complaining for years about the patriots treatment of their receivers, and defensive PI went from like 80 flags a year to almost 200. I doubt the jump will be as big this year but it will jump. If you weren't happy with how many flags are called now just wait cause it's about to get so much worse.
Also there is something like 13 new officials this year which is the biggest turnover of nfl officials in like 30-40 years or somethig crazy.
kronk wrote: If they call more Offensive Pass interference, then I'm OK with more Defensive calls. Otherwise, feth off.
Agreed. As a former Defensive Back (Easy now... not saying I was anything special, I only played organized through High School ) I see far too many blatant offensive calls either not called, or called the wrong way.
Then again, most of you guys will say that I'm biased
I knew it would be bad but nfl network has been insufferable. I'm already fricken sick of the browns, redskins, and bronco's coverage. Can you show other teams please K thanx.
Manziel is the next 3rd stringer on the team right now. Reports from training camp are Hoyer, Thigpen, Manziel, Shaw.
Hoyer and Thigpen are putting the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be there (as much as one can while wearing a helmet, t-shirt, and shorts). Manziel is quicker than of the other QBs in camp atm, but he's lacking in the accuracy department. While he's not Brandon Weeden levels of inaccurate, he's certainly making the receivers work for their catches, which I'm hoping will lead to the coaching staff working on that with him.
That's all I got so far. Also Red, I'm pretty jealous of your season tickets I've yet to go to a Browns game... :-\
Seriously I'd LOVE season tickets but there is like a 7 year wait list for patriots ST. I've been to about 10 games in the last 14 years though which has been nice.
Seven years? I've been on the Steelers season ticket list for about 17 years and just this year got offered tickets for the first time. At $4000 per seat license.
Considering that I can buy seat licenses for less than that on the license exchange, I chose to pass. Since the Steelers were nice enough to set aside a few thousand seats without licenses, I can wait for a couple of those to open up, or finally bite the bullet and buy on the exchange.
I still get to a couple games a year. And since I'm on the waiting list, I usually get offered some playoff tickets if they get a home game.
Yeah, Seahawks season tickets are sold out, and local news is saying that ALL home games are sold out already as well, including i believe the preseason tickets.
I got really lucky with my season tickets. When the Bears remodeled Soldier Field, they played a season at Illini staduim in Champain, about a 2.5 hour drive from downtown Chicago. When they did this, they offered season tickets for that season, but if you had been on the waiting list, and then didn't take them, you got removed from the list. I went to one game down there that year, and put my name on the wait list then, and so once they moved back up to Chicago, it only took about a year to get offered seats.
They're non-PSL seats, so they're not great, but they're also not breaking the bank, either with the PSL cost, or the ticket-price each year.
Since then, the waiting list really hasn't moved here at all, I've got a co-worker who gets a yearly email telling him that. Though, like Gorgon, he gets the opportunity to buy a game or two each year + possible playoffs.
I couldn't even imagine waiting 17+ years for season tickets ;0. Jesus that's a dedicated fanbase! I'm just glad I've got to see the 2nd best and potentially best QB ever to play a couple times ;p
Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.
dogma wrote: Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.
For the most part I agree, except there is a certain adrenaline rush you get when you team makes a big play and tens of thousands of people all jump up screaming at the same time. Nothing can really replicate the energy of live games. Even if it is 100% more comfortable and whatnot watching on tv.
dogma wrote: Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.
For the most part I agree, except there is a certain adrenaline rush you get when you team makes a big play and tens of thousands of people all jump up screaming at the same time. Nothing can really replicate the energy of live games. Even if it is 100% more comfortable and whatnot watching on tv.
I was in Heinz Field for the playoff game against the Browns in 2003 (2002 season). The Steelers won 36-33 after being down 24-7 in the 3rd quarter, and down 33-21 with 4 minutes to play.
It certainly wasn't a great or memorable Steelers team, and they lost the next round. By Steelers standards, that's a pretty "meh" season. But I'll never forget how Heinz Field SHOOK after Chris Fuamauta-Ma'afala scored the go-ahead TD. I'll never forget how complete strangers were hugging one another in the stands out of sheer joy. I'll never forget the NOISE.
It probably would have been great in a bar. But it was epic to be there.
Chancetragedy wrote: I couldn't even imagine waiting 17+ years for season tickets ;0. Jesus that's a dedicated fanbase! I'm just glad I've got to see the 2nd best and potentially best QB ever to play a couple times ;p
Steelers Nation is more than a little nuts. Honestly, the only reason I got offered seats is because they're adding 5,000 new seats to Heinz Field. I know I'm near the top of the list, but it still might have been a 20+ year wait without that expansion. Even though I turned them down, I'm hoping that the expansion opens up some of the few non-SL seats in the near future.
The new seats are also in the lower bowl and in the endzone, and that's probably my least favorite angle in a stadium to watch a football game. If I'm going to be in the endzone, I at least want to be a little higher so I can see the other side of the field.
That's exactly it - it's the energy of being part of the crowd. I was at Soldier Field for our win in the NFC Championship game in 2006, and I've never experienced that atmosphere anywhere else, before or since.
Also, watching a game live, you learn to watch the game for yourself, because no one is telling you what you saw. You're also free to watch whatever you're interested in, not what the TV people expect you to want to watch. You get to see plays develop, watch receivers running routes before the ball is thrown, watch how coverage is being played. You rarely see that on TV, even during replays - maybe they'll break down one or two plays a game.
Plus, with modern tech, I can watch the TV broadcast afterwards. Starting this season, all season ticket packages come with a subscription to NFL rewind.
dogma wrote: Honestly, in my opinion, football is best watched on a TV in a bar with a beer and some wings. In that circumstance I'm not wet, hot, or cold; plus I've got a better angle the actual action.
Personally, I find it easier to see all 22 when I'm there. I feel like coverages in particular aren't always easy to see even on today's widescreen HD TVs. I also feel like it's easier to see deeper pass routes develop instead of waiting for the camera to pan and catch up.
I agree that the NFL is better watched on the TV for angles that don't suck, but the atmosphere and energy of a live game is hard to beat. You should go to a game at least once every other year or so.
Also, watching a game live, you learn to watch the game for yourself, because no one is telling you what you saw.
I don't agree with that, as the sight angles on NFL fields are pretty bad.
That's a pretty generic statement and doesn't account for where a person's seats are, or even the nuances of the stadium you're at. At the simplest level, it's easy enough to show that your statement is flawed and does not account for all situations simply by referring to the seats around the media deck.
My seats are up in the nosebleeds. While this means I have to climb a lot of stairs to get there, I can also see the entire field and, as I noted before, I can choose what to focus my attention on, and watch as plays develop. There are plenty of times, watching at home, when I want to be able to see something that I can't due to what they choose to air. There are notably fewer times when I'm at a game and want to see something that'd be covered on TV but not live. Usually, these are either injuries (wanting to know what happened to a player, whether he'll be back, which they talk about on TV but not live) or the specifics of a fumble recovery. And, in the later case, the jumbotron coverage has gotten much better over even the last two years.
Before I got my season seats, I'd sat in numerous places around the stadium (and old soldier field), and I agree, there are some seats with bad angles, or depth issues. Sitting in end zone seats before the renovations meant you could only really tell what was happening if it happened within 30 yards of your end zone. But, that's not the case with my current seats.
Hey I'm gonna resetup the pickem and fantasy leagues soon. For the pickem were doing confidence points again this year. Does anyone have any other suggestions for either the FFL or the pickem outside of that?
Chancetragedy wrote: Hey I'm gonna resetup the pickem and fantasy leagues soon. For the pickem were doing confidence points again this year. Does anyone have any other suggestions for either the FFL or the pickem outside of that?
I like the Hall of Fame game because of the interviews with the new inductees, especially the senior members. They're always like "I thought they forgot about me, I've waited so long" and look so happy to be there.
Adam Shefter jus tweeted bengals and Andy Dalton reached a 6 year 115 million dollar extension. Edit(depending on guarantees) That seems INSANE for the red rocket.
Perhaps someone here would know... in relation to salary caps, and cap space... do the various "bonuses" or all of the not garaunteed money that players get count against the salary cap??
As in, if I signed an "$80 million" deal, in which I was garaunteed to get 30 million, with the rest coming in the form of performance bonuses, etc... would the team's cap hit only be 30 mill, or would it be potentially the full 80?
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Perhaps someone here would know... in relation to salary caps, and cap space... do the various "bonuses" or all of the not garaunteed money that players get count against the salary cap??
As in, if I signed an "$80 million" deal, in which I was garaunteed to get 30 million, with the rest coming in the form of performance bonuses, etc... would the team's cap hit only be 30 mill, or would it be potentially the full 80?
I believe bonuses do count. Which is why you'd see some get cut before their "Roster Bonus" kicks in..
Haha cap stuff is so complicated ;(. Not all bonuses count toward your cap number I think NLTB do not count but LTB bonuses do. That's all I can really help with.
Edit:whembly those are usually just roster bonuses and backloaded contracts that get players cut before a certain date.
You have 2 choices. 1. let him go, start over, and let someone else pay him. 2. pay him what starting qbs are getting in their 2nd contract.
A contract is not like sales commissions measured by the TDs and/or playoff wins etc. It has nothing to do with our idea of what he is "worth." It doesn't work that way. It's the market. Right now the market for a starting qb in his 2nd contract avgs. around 18 M, give or take.
The avg. WILL go up of course.
Dalton got around 19 M a year so apparently the avg. IS going up.
FWIW... I think he's a decent starting QB. Not everyone can be a Manning.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Perhaps someone here would know... in relation to salary caps, and cap space... do the various "bonuses" or all of the not garaunteed money that players get count against the salary cap??
As in, if I signed an "$80 million" deal, in which I was garaunteed to get 30 million, with the rest coming in the form of performance bonuses, etc... would the team's cap hit only be 30 mill, or would it be potentially the full 80?
Like the others have said bonuses do count but signing bonuses don't (I think)
As for Dalton's deal he's not an elite QB but you have to pay them money or they'll walk and someone else will pay them
I thought signing bonuses were part of the "guaranteed" part of a contract and usually were spread out a little over the length of the contract?
Edit: therefore counting against their cap but with an ability to spread the hit however you choose.
As a Steelers fan, I'm absolutely *thrilled* with the contracts that Flacco and Dalton received. They'll probably drive Roethlisberger's asking price even higher next year, but that's still much less impact on the cap compared to what Baltimore and Cincy have absorbed.
Chancetragedy wrote: I thought signing bonuses were part of the "guaranteed" part of a contract and usually were spread out a little over the length of the contract?
Edit: therefore counting against their cap but with an ability to spread the hit however you choose.
I'm pretty sure they're just paid upon signing the contract so are part of the guaranteed but already accounted for so aren't counted against the cap. Cutler's contract has a clause that allows the Bears to change some of his guaranteed money into a signing bonus to help with future cap issues
Chancetragedy wrote: I thought signing bonuses were part of the "guaranteed" part of a contract and usually were spread out a little over the length of the contract?
Edit: therefore counting against their cap but with an ability to spread the hit however you choose.
I'm pretty sure they're just paid upon signing the contract so are part of the guaranteed but already accounted for so aren't counted against the cap. Cutler's contract has a clause that allows the Bears to change some of his guaranteed money into a signing bonus to help with future cap issues
Interesting. I Guess it's time to do a little research haha.
Apparently David Wilson has been advised the retire.
This really sucks, great young running back when healthy but you have to take care of your long term health and neck injuries are nothing to joke about
The thing about caps is that all money paid counts, eventually. If there really were a signing-bonus loophole, all the richer teams would be using it to load-up their rosters with money that doesn't count.
Let's say you give a guy a 5 year contract for 100 million, of which 40 million is guaranteed in the form of a bonus.
What happens is that his cap hit ends up being roughly 20 million/year, of which 12 mil/year is salary, and 8 mi/year is that bonus.
Where it gets confusing is what happens when you release the player, or restructure the deal.
If you let a player go, all that signing bonus money immediately hits the current cap. So, using our imaginary guy from above, if he plays out two years of that contract and is then released, he'd have a cap hit of about 20 mil in year one, and about 20 mil in year two. But, now you have three years of that bonus money that's already been paid, and now needs to be counted for on the cap - that's 8 million times 3 remaining years, so you end up with 24 million in 'dead money' against the cap.
(This also happens if a player retires, so it's not just if he's cut. And, if he's traded, I think the new team takes responsibility for the salary, but the old team still has to pay off the bonus against their current cap. It does get a little hard to follow at times).
This is why you see some restructuring deals that don't make a lot of sense, outside of playing with cap numbers. When a 35 year-old guy signs a new seven year deal, no one expects him to play out seven years. But the team wants him now, and is willing to take a cap hit later (when they know he'll not be on the team) in order to win now. If you hear announcers talk about clubs with a window closing, this is often the reason why. They'll stock up with back-loaded contracts, trying to get as many stars as possible for a 2-3 year stretch, knowing that at the end of that time, all those contracts come due together, and they'll need to have a rebuilding year where they cope with all the dead cap.
There are some other tricks that teams use to play with these numbers. When someone signs a 3 year contract for 30 mil (plus bonuses) it probably isn't 10/10/10 - they'll push more money later into the deal, so maybe 8/10/12. That gives the played the feeling of getting raises through the contract, plus the signing bonus up-front compensates for the lower first year. The club can then restructure the deal in the later, more expensive years...
It's also worth noting that there's also a salary floor. The collective bargaining agreement states that not only is there a cap, but also, all teams must spend a minimum amount, something like 95% of the cap. (Obviously, the player's union likes this). Before the current agreement, which has closed some loopholes, it was subject to as many tricks as the cap, with teams that didn't want to spend as much (Jacksonville and Tampa both did some of this) trading for players with known dead cap hits, then cutting them, getting away with a low payroll. The current bargaining agreement takes some of that into account, with teams now being required to spend a minimum amount of actual cash.
What I was talking about though, wasn't a signing bonus, but rather the "performance bonuses" that you occasionally hear about.
For instance, back in the day Barry Sanders would probably have had a bonus for 1,000 yards rushing or more in a single season. That sort of thing.
IF a player has something in their contract that stipulates "each season that undersigned player reaches X milestone, the Organization will pay Y amount of dollars" (for arguments sake, we'll go with 1000 yards rushing), and in the first season of the contract only makes 600 yards for whatever reason, would this count against the team's overall cap?
That's somewhat complex, and there are rules that govern it.
The most basic principle in cap numbers for incentives is the idea of whether it's likely to be achieved or not. Incentives that classify as Likely are cap hits. Incentives classified as Not Likely do not.
There are rules in place that determine whether something is Likely or Not Likely. For individual stats, if a player did it last year, it's Likely that they can do it again this year. For team stats, if the team did it last year, same deal. (Also, no offensive player qualifies for defensive team stats without playing some percentage of defensive snaps, and vice-versa).
For incentives that are wholly under the player's control, such as off-season workout bonuses, they all count as Likely.
LTBE incentives (likely to be earned) are incentives that a player has reached before and count toward the cap.
NLTBE(not likely to be earned) are incentives that a player hasn't earned before and typically don't count.
Seriously cap stuff is super super complicated once you really start to break it down. It's actually something I've been getting more and more into as there is a guy on another forum I post on named Miguel who is constantly sourced in national writers articles. I would classify myself as a complete and total noob though ATM.
Chancetragedy wrote: LTBE incentives (likely to be earned) are incentives that a player has reached before and count toward the cap.
NLTBE(not likely to be earned) are incentives that a player hasn't earned before and typically don't count.
Seriously cap stuff is super super complicated once you really start to break it down. It's actually something I've been getting more and more into as there is a guy on another forum I post on named Miguel who is constantly sourced in national writers articles. I would classify myself as a complete and total noob though ATM.
This... Plus ...
At the end of the season, the NFL calculates how much each team had set aside for LTBEs that weren’t earned – or said differently, it figures out how much was charged to the team’s cap that was not actually spent. Similarly, the NFL calculates the amount of incentives designated NLTBE that were actually earned. If the unearned LTBEs are greater than the earned NLTBEs, then the following year’s salary cap for that team is increased by the net amount. Similarly, if the earned NLTBEs exceed the unearned LTBEs, then the team’s cap for the following year is lowered by that amount. You can see an example of the effect of cap adjustments at USA Today. The teams with negative cap adjustments had most likely earned more NLTBE incentives in 2013 than they did not earn LTBE incentives.
Oh wow that's scary. Never seen Palmer play and barely heard of the others... If Cutler stays healthy and the defence is improved Chicago should be in the playoff picture I think
Fales is a rookie and Clausen was in Carolina for years, just remember people weren't entirely sold on McCown last year but Trestman is a great coach for Qbs
Cincy and KC looked horrid. A lot worse than the final score shows.
Dallas' D looked like last year, like an 8-8 team.
NE is banking on Brady staying healthy, the backups were gak.
SF is looking for a backup QB as well. Gabbert was horrid with a 1.7 QB rating.
Denver and Seattle.... meh, but then it is preseason and they face each other later (Sept 21 in Sea.)
Jets/Indy... Again preseason though NYJ definitely had issues on offense. Their pass rush looked better though.
Jimmy garopollo looked fine for the patriots. He was 9/13 for like 100 yards and a TD. Should have been 10/13 for 153 and 2TD but one of our receivers dropped a fairly routine long ball.
Ryan Mallett on the other hand good god was he terrible. Like why is he even on the team as a backup awful. It looks like the 3 years sitting on the bench in NE has really taken it's toll. Because he looks robotic and lost, which he didn't look like coming out of college.
I didn't get to see any other the other games. But New England sat somethig like 18 starters/major contributors, so I don't know what I was expecting lol.
Bears first-string looked good. Offense, the right side of the line sat out, and it showed when Forte tried running that way on the first series. Our first team defense held the Eagles first string to 11 yards and no points, while our offense had a decent sustained drive that ended in a TD.
Second stringers, the Eagles had the advantage, and were up at the half on a blown kickoff coverage. Nice note here was seeing Fuller (1st round pick, CB) get a pick. Also, Zach Miller looked solid as a backup TE candidate, with 2 TDs and a string of catches on identical plays that the Eagles didn't seem to want to cover.
Third string, Bears came out ahead, and won the game.
Typical first preseason game though, with lots of flags, technical miscues in the stadium, and little shown.
I agree.
Philly wasn't looking to show their hand. 17 receivers targeted shows they were looking at backups hard. Which is to be expected.
The D looked weak against the pass, a problem they also had last year. Chi averaged 3 yards more per pass than Philly, with nearly the same comp/att ratio.(28/45 to 29/44)
Good against the run (Chi averaged under 3yds per carry)
Penalties though, good gods! A combined 23 for nearly 200 yards. And that was just the ones accepted. I think flags got dropped more than 30 times. New refs plus new rules can be blamed for some of that.
helgrenze wrote: So I gotta ask...
How do Browns fans justify the fact that Weedon had a higher completion rate with Dallas than all of the current Browns QBs?
helgrenze wrote: So I gotta ask...
How do Browns fans justify the fact that Weedon had a higher completion rate with Dallas than all of the current Browns QBs?
Dude, you're the president and only member of the Brandon Weeden fan club. He's a journeyman-level QB at best.
It's pretty easy to justify it, he's a crappy quarterback. His career in Cleveland was example enough for us.
After watching the two quarter backs that matter last night. Hoyer was shaky with a few passes that were high, and Johnny was plagued by second stringers for his wide receiving core. A few of the phases that were missed were do to the receivers and their inability to catch the ball. Krause, who might be on a bus out of town, literally let a perfectly good ball hit his thigh/knee.
I'm not sold in either of them yet, but Johnny made a decent argument last night.
Alfndrate wrote: It's pretty easy to justify it, he's a crappy quarterback. His career in Cleveland was example enough for us.
After watching the two quarter backs that matter last night. Hoyer was shaky with a few passes that were high, and Johnny was plagued by second stringers for his wide receiving core. A few of the phases that were missed were do to the receivers and their inability to catch the ball. Krause, who might be on a bus out of town, literally let a perfectly good ball hit his thigh/knee.
I'm not sold in either of them yet, but Johnny made a decent argument last night.
I'm a Johnny Football fan. I don't get his distractors.... he has a chance to be a decent QB in this league.
It ain't like he was involved in killinganyone or knocked his wife unconcious in an elevator.
Alfndrate wrote: It's pretty easy to justify it, he's a crappy quarterback. His career in Cleveland was example enough for us.
After watching the two quarter backs that matter last night. Hoyer was shaky with a few passes that were high, and Johnny was plagued by second stringers for his wide receiving core. A few of the phases that were missed were do to the receivers and their inability to catch the ball. Krause, who might be on a bus out of town, literally let a perfectly good ball hit his thigh/knee.
I'm not sold in either of them yet, but Johnny made a decent argument last night.
I'm a Johnny Football fan. I don't get his distractors.... he has a chance to be a decent QB in this league.
It ain't like he was involved in killinganyone or knocked his wife unconcious in an elevator.
You gotta be careful when mentioning Ray Lewis and his rap sheet on dakka... I've almost been warned because of it >_<.
I would love to see Hoyer get the job, and win more games than we lose, but Johnny went out there and showed people why he was 'electrifying' at A&M. My biggest thing is that Johnny still has a ways to go. There were two things that stuck out to me about his play, but they're easy to correct.
1) Sliding instead of taking a hit: Last night Johnny ran head first into defenders on two separate occasions. I'm sure he was told to slide after the fact, because he'll get his head knocked off if he does so. He did make a successful slide later in the game, so I'm sure Shanahan told him when he got off the field.
2) When he cuts the field in half on those runs, he still needs to keep his eyes looking for open receivers. It was 4th and 1, he ran out to the side, and was almost crushed by Van Noy, but managed to get the first down. All the while, Ray Agnew was completely open right in front of him. He could have done a quick toss to him and gained more yards instead.
Alfndrate wrote: It's pretty easy to justify it, he's a crappy quarterback. His career in Cleveland was example enough for us.
After watching the two quarter backs that matter last night. Hoyer was shaky with a few passes that were high, and Johnny was plagued by second stringers for his wide receiving core. A few of the phases that were missed were do to the receivers and their inability to catch the ball. Krause, who might be on a bus out of town, literally let a perfectly good ball hit his thigh/knee.
I'm not sold in either of them yet, but Johnny made a decent argument last night.
People were talking up Hoyer in the offseason, but quality starters don't bounce around like he has. He reminds me of a lot of the guys the Steelers had between Bradshaw and Roethlisberger -- guys like Steve Bono, Bubby Brister, Jim Miller, etc. Physically they look the part, and they'll tease you now and then by looking good, maybe even for a few games. But they just don't have the IT factor to be a consistent quality starter.
I've been saying it all offseason -- Manziel has a chance to be good. He obviously has a few limitations and a lot to work on, but he's a smart kid with a knack for making plays with his feet AND arm. He has some IT factor...we'll see if it's enough. If he didn't play for the Browns, I'd be hoping for him to light it up and make all the haters eat their words.
Of course, the question is whether you throw Manziel in on game 1 sink-or-swim style, or start Hoyer for at least a half-season to give Manziel at least a chance to adjust to the NFL weekly routine, etc. Personally, I'd pick a nice soft spot on the schedule and probably do the latter, but the coaches obviously have a much better idea of what the kid can handle.
Haven't seen anything yet to change my opinion of Cleveland's O-line. Maybe Monday...
Haven't seen anything to really like about Philly's DEF, period. They have given up 76 points so far in just 2 games. One INT vs Brady doesn't look that great in comparison even if it was a pick 6.
Foles looked good, matching Brady on everything except the INT. Sanchez and Barkley not so much. Kinne didn't play and may be heading out.
Both Gost and Henery missed a FG.
Not liking the trend with Penalties, 20-30 per game is nuts. Some were so questionable that I doubt the actual infraction happened. [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/check-out-the-gun-on-this-referee-throwing-flag-in-jaguars-bears--video-161300696.html] Of course there is this throw from the Chicago game.
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(Hmm looked ok in the preview....)
What the broadcasters for the patriots made it sound like is the refs have a quota for these pre season games with how many flags they're throwing. Like 25-30 flags per game, but then in the regular season that will drop significantly. Which seem so stinking fishy to me.
Chancetragedy wrote: What the broadcasters for the patriots made it sound like is the refs have a quota for these pre season games with how many flags they're throwing. Like 25-30 flags per game, but then in the regular season that will drop significantly. Which seem so stinking fishy to me.
Could be a miscommunication between the media and NFL Officiating office... It could be more that they are judging the performance of new refs during the preseason, just as teams are judging new meat.
Chancetragedy wrote: What the broadcasters for the patriots made it sound like is the refs have a quota for these pre season games with how many flags they're throwing. Like 25-30 flags per game, but then in the regular season that will drop significantly. Which seem so stinking fishy to me.
Could be a miscommunication between the media and NFL Officiating office... It could be more that they are judging the performance of new refs during the preseason, just as teams are judging new meat.
I don't know, seemed like they had a quota in the SEA V. San Diego game. That interception touchdown return should have totally counted, but because the defense breathed on the receiver, it was called back for illegal contact.
Yeah, lots of "contact" penalties. Linemen 'windmilling' got tons of "facemask" calls too.
Seems that touching a receiver before they started running was a big one.
Lets see... And remember these are the actual accepted penalties, not the total flags thrown....
Jax-Chi = 21
Phi-NE = 21
Ten-NO = 32
Det-Oak = 19
GB-STL = 22
NYJ-Cin = 23
NYG-Ind = 26
Atl-Hou = 25
Ari-Min = 22
Buf-Pit = 18
SD-Sea = 15
Dal-Balt = 16
Mia-TB = 15
265 total so far this week... with 3 games to go. Last year the reg season high was 217.
Seattle was the "worst" averaging 8 per game with most teams falling into the 5-7 range.
helgrenze wrote: Yeah, lots of "contact" penalties. Linemen 'windmilling' got tons of "facemask" calls too.
Seems that touching a receiver before they started running was a big one.
Lets see... And remember these are the actual accepted penalties, not the total flags thrown....
Jax-Chi = 21
Phi-NE = 21
Ten-NO = 32
Det-Oak = 19
GB-STL = 22
NYJ-Cin = 23
NYG-Ind = 26
Atl-Hou = 25
Ari-Min = 22
Buf-Pit = 18
SD-Sea = 15
Dal-Balt = 16
Mia-TB = 15
265 total so far this week... with 3 games to go. Last year the reg season high was 217.
Seattle was the "worst" averaging 8 per game with most teams falling into the 5-7 range.
Crazy numbers! The refs are gonna earn it this year!
Well, Seattle developed mugging and grabbing receivers all over the field into an art form, and the league wants to make sure it doesn't become the new thing. The league doesn't want offenses to take a step back.
IIRC, a similar crackdown happened in the early 2000s after the Pats first SB win, in which they got away with all kinds of stuff against the Rams' receivers.
gorgon wrote: Well, Seattle developed mugging and grabbing receivers all over the field into an art form, and the league wants to make sure it doesn't become the new thing. The league doesn't want offenses to take a step back.
I honestly don't think the NFL realizes what the majority of fans really want... And I don't think that the "majority" of fans want their NFL game scoreline to look like it's cricket or the nba. What we really want is good, and well fought games and that includes the physicality aspect. I watched a few Seattle games last season and will say that they were, on the whole, more entertaining than almost any other single team over the course of the entire season.
Yeah if it's a really close game regardless of how big the scoreline is the game's good to watch, like the Dallas vs Denver shootout was a great gave to watch but so was the Saints Bears game which finished 24-16 as was the Cards vs Seahawks
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Yeah if it's a really close game regardless of how big the scoreline is the game's good to watch, like the Dallas vs Denver shootout was a great gave to watch but so was the Saints Bears game which finished 24-16 as was the Cards vs Seahawks
I see your logic here, and it boggles the mind that NFL doesn't see this and realize that holding defenses back even more than they have is a bad thing.
There was a preseason game (Balt versus someone, but not Dallas) on 2 weeks ago when I was traveling for work in Harrisburg, PA and at a bar/restaruant. The sound was off on the game I was watching as the bar was broadcasting a Philly game at the time. Anyway, it seemed like everytime I looked up, there was a penalty. And, invariably, it was on the defense for holding, pass interference, and other stuffs. Obviously not every play, but it was VERY distracting and slowed the game down. I couldn't hear the comentators, but I'm betting they were annoyed, too. This would make me turn the game off.
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Yeah if it's a really close game regardless of how big the scoreline is the game's good to watch, like the Dallas vs Denver shootout was a great gave to watch but so was the Saints Bears game which finished 24-16 as was the Cards vs Seahawks
I see your logic here, and it boggles the mind that NFL doesn't see this and realize that holding defenses back even more than they have is a bad thing.
All the nfl sees is dollar signs and the popularity of fantasy football. They don't realize that if they keep going the route they are people will lose interest and they're cash cow will dry up. I read an article with an interview with goddell that basically said in the next 10 years they want to turn the nfl into a 25billion a year business. They are at roughly 9 now. In their eyes the way they do that is increase offense so fantasy becomes even "Funner"
gorgon wrote: Well, Seattle developed mugging and grabbing receivers all over the field into an art form, and the league wants to make sure it doesn't become the new thing. The league doesn't want offenses to take a step back.
I honestly don't think the NFL realizes what the majority of fans really want... And I don't think that the "majority" of fans want their NFL game scoreline to look like it's cricket or the nba. What we really want is good, and well fought games and that includes the physicality aspect. I watched a few Seattle games last season and will say that they were, on the whole, more entertaining than almost any other single team over the course of the entire season.
I think that more diehard fans want a balance. But there are many more casual fans that would almost certainly rather watch a shootout. And those are the people they need in order to grow the business.
I'm a Steelers fan, so you know I'm hardly anti-defense. But then again I think it's good that the NFL cares about such things. Compare them to the NHL, which is watching scoring drop again badly and couldn't care less. Goodell is a greedy meddling tyrant, but Bettman is simply incompetent.
First let me say, I am not a Weedon fan. I think he is at best an average QB. But he is a better QB than his alleged performance with the Browns.
I just want Cleveland fans to realize that until they get an Offensive line that works, they are going to keep running through QBs like they did last year and for the last two dozen seasons.
Case in point: Last week.
Dallas playing against a very good Baltimore Defense racked up the following stats:
20 of 35 for 280 yds.
7.8 yds ave per pass.
1 sack (Weedon), 1 int (Weedon), 3 tds, 1 Fum (Romo).
Weedon finished with 10-19, 129yds, 6.8 yds per att, the sack, int, 1 rush for -1 yd, and a QB rating of 52.3. He also threw the most passes of all the QBs in that game.
Cleveland playing against an average Washington Def:
17 of 31 for 186 yds.
5.2 yds ave per pass.
5 sacks (1 Hoyer, 1 Shaw, 3 Manziel) 2 tds, 0 int, 0 fum.
Manziel finished with 7-16, 65 yds, 4.1 yds per att, 3 sacks, 1 rush for -1 yd and a qb rating of 76.3. He also threw the most passes for Cleveland.
5 sacks among 3 Qbs.
This is basically the same O-line that allowed 49 sacks and a league leading 121 Qb hits.
For comparison:
Dallas - 35 sacks, 54 hits.
Houston - 42 sacks, 113 hits.
Seattle - 44 sacks, 94 hits.
Denver - 20 sacks, 54 hits.
Philadelphia - 46 sacks, 79 hits.
Those stats are what the NFL posted for O-line performance.... Not the QB, The Offensive Line.
helgrenze wrote: First let me say, I am not a Weedon fan. I think he is at best an average QB. But he is a better QB than his alleged performance with the Browns.
I just want Cleveland fans to realize that until they get an Offensive line that works, they are going to keep running through QBs like they did last year and for the last two dozen seasons.
First off, looking at preseason stats is a fool's errand, because you have to calculate in how many snaps were with the 1s, 2s, or 3s, and how many of those snaps were against the 1s, 2s and 3s of the opposing defenses. It's a revolving door of players in the preseason.
Your mind is obviously as made up as it can be. I get that Weeden is a OK guy, so you root hard for him. But the NFL is about cold, hard truth, which in this case is that he isn't a good QB, definitely not a starting caliber NFL QB, and his presence or absence from the Browns' roster will have no effect on their season. Hoyer has flashed more as a starter than Weeden, and Hoyer isn't a good starting QB either. Weeden by all accounts struggled in that game, so I don't even know what you're trying to show there.
Here are some truths. An elite QB makes his o-line better. The best o-line in the world can't help a QB make his throws on time or hit receivers in stride. They can't help him recognize coverages, see the field, look off defenders, or make something happen when nothing's there. Brandon Weeden struggles at too many of these things to ever make a difference as an NFL player, and his age (30) suggests that he's as good as he's ever going to be. The Browns' biggest mistake was drafting him in the first place.
Probably next Friday/Saturday 8/29. Want to make it close to the last pre season game in case of major injuries. I'll be at Nova but I should be able to take care of everything before I leave.
Edit:probably just doing auto draft as I have been WAY to busy to organize a live draft.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Gorgon, Its not about who the QB is. Romo is not an "elite QB" but that O-line makes him look better by giving him time to throw. Dalton or Campbell elite? Stafford?
Cincinnati and Detroit were top 10 teams for O-line, Passing, Sacks allowed (low), and QB Hits. Dallas was top 10 in all but passing, with less than "Elite" Quarterbacks.
Heck, most people think Foles in Philly isn't "Elite", but you can't argue with their results.
A decent O-line can make an Average QB look better.
Cleveland doesn't have even a decent one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gorgon, Its not about who the QB is. Romo is not an "elite QB" but that O-line makes him look better by giving him time to throw. Dalton or Campbell elite? Stafford?
Cincinnati and Detroit were top 10 teams for O-line, Passing, Sacks allowed (low), and QB Hits. Dallas was top 10 in all but passing, with less than "Elite" Quarterbacks. Heck, most people think Foles in Philly isn't "Elite", but you can't argue with their results.
A decent O-line can make an Average QB look better. Cleveland doesn't have even a decent one.
I will agree with Helgrenze about Cleveland's O-line, but unfortunately it's all on Mitchell Schwartz... He just gets run over by the opposing D...
Chancetragedy wrote: Wow sucks about Bradford. Really thought the rams had a shot to make waves in that division.
Yeah, I saw that he was taken out with a possible concussion, and I thought "eh, rough hit, hopefully he'll be back in a week or so." but an ACL tear just flatout sucks :(
Though while a fair chunk of Cleveland was watching that game, I was watching the Cleveland Gladiators take a dump in the Arena Bowl XXVII... oh well, silly AFL...
Chancetragedy wrote: Wow sucks about Bradford. Really thought the rams had a shot to make waves in that division.
Yeah, I saw that he was taken out with a possible concussion, and I thought "eh, rough hit, hopefully he'll be back in a week or so." but an ACL tear just flatout sucks :(
Though while a fair chunk of Cleveland was watching that game, I was watching the Cleveland Gladiators take a dump in the Arena Bowl XXVII... oh well, silly AFL...
Super awkward "tackle". Like neither he not the defender even fell down from the contact until Bradford's knee hyperextended and tore his acl. it literally looked like nothing it was weird.
There's talk that Sams might not make it through this weeks cuts.
Rams should try to deal him for a QB.
If they don't, somebody is picking him up free.
helgrenze wrote: There's talk that Sams might not make it through this weeks cuts.
Rams should try to deal him for a QB.
If they don't, somebody is picking him up free.
Helgrenze are you talking Michael Sam or Sam Bradford? I feel like you're talking the former, but Whembly, I think, is referring to Sam Bradford. How big can a rookie's salary be?
Alfndrate wrote: Helgrenze are you talking Michael Sam or Sam Bradford? I feel like you're talking the former, but Whembly, I think, is referring to Sam Bradford. How big can a rookie's salary be?
Oh... he's probably talking about Michael Sam.
He's a 7th rounder, so he's super cheap. He's actually made really good plays this preseason.
As to Bradford, the RAMs saves over 10 million if they cut him.
My predictions based on 3 pre season games. Mostly because I'm super bored and feel like it ;p
AFC
East - Patriots
North - Bengals
West - broncos
South - Colts
WC1 - San Diego
WC2 - Ravens
NFC
East - Eagles
North - Bears
West - Seahawks
South - Saints
WC1 - Niners
WC2 - Green Bay
That's the link for people to join the league. It's been a while since I needed to setup invites so I didn't realize just the league #'s weren't enough. If anyone else wants to join I can open up the league to 12/14 players if we get enough.
That's the link for people to join the league. It's been a while since I needed to setup invites so I didn't realize just the league #'s weren't enough. If anyone else wants to join I can open up the league to 12/14 players if we get enough.
I'd be down... I have a buddy doing a fantasy league on yahoo already, and I should still remember that password
We have 9 signed up so far and need an even number. So if we can get 1 more besides you and your friend ensis we can move up to 12. Otherwise we might have to cap at 10.
Alfndrate wrote: Helgrenze are you talking Michael Sam or Sam Bradford? I feel like you're talking the former, but Whembly, I think, is referring to Sam Bradford. How big can a rookie's salary be?
Oh... he's probably talking about Michael Sam.
He's a 7th rounder, so he's super cheap. He's actually made really good plays this preseason.
As to Bradford, the RAMs saves over 10 million if they cut him.
Yeah, Michael Sam. Too bad about the free drink thing though...
I think STL IRs Bradford. Even if they do, I think he is looking at career over.
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: Yeah it seemed a bit of a strange move from the patriots, unless they know of something huge about Logan they've not let out just yet
No mystery here. Mankins is the highest paid guard in the league, with a massive salary and cap hit. Pats dump that, gain a pick and a backup for Gronk, Bucs improve their weakest unit.
Tim wright is not backing up Gronk. If anything it seem like an attempt to replace aaron hernandez's role as a joker. Well see how everything works out. It's definately appears to be a salary dump by the team knowing that mankins will be walking next year and is probably slipping in his play anyways. If this is what get a deal done for Devin Mccourty and Darrelle Revis then I'm all for it.
Poor word choice. I didn't mean that he's literally the next man up if Gronk went down again (god forbid), but, as far as I can tell not being a Pats fan, they need more depth at the tight end position given its importance, and Tim Wright provides this.
Way too complex to do a live draft with players from all over the country. And we have players in other countries. A live draft like that would take HOURS to complete.
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:Yeah it seemed a bit of a strange move from the patriots, unless they know of something huge about Logan they've not let out just yet
The Patriots have shown, time and again, that they know when to cut ties with a player starting to decline. I think their track record with this sort of trade means Mankins' best days are behind him. The bucs might get a serviceable year or two out of him.
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:Yeah it seemed a bit of a strange move from the patriots, unless they know of something huge about Logan they've not let out just yet
The Patriots have shown, time and again, that they know when to cut ties with a player starting to decline. I think their track record with this sort of trade means Mankins' best days are behind him. The bucs might get a serviceable year or two out of him.
Sometimes they still don't cut ties soon enough though. See: Hernandez, Aaron.
Off-field issues aren't the same as physical wear and tear. I'm sure if it wasn't for the year in the hole, Hernandez would still be able to suit up and play ball.
There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
You don't think those of us who are realistic aren't? It bums me out to even think of it though. So I choose to just stick my head in the sand about that topic. Especially with how garopollo has played(who I really think could be the next Aaron Rodgers)
@whembly my thoughts on mallett are he is garbage and hasn't shown ANYTHING in the 4 years he's been here. If I recall he's played in 1 regular season game and his first pass was an interception that lost me a fantasy week ;(. I personally think he'll be cut because he seems untradable at this point.
Just a reminder to the FFL guys. I'm setting draft to ready tonight. So the league will be drafting in the next 24-48 hours I believe. If you haven't done pre draft rankings please do so as soon as possible. Thank you.
Yah I find I set my top 50 then set another 20ish to don't draft then the rest I just couldn't care less. Without live draft the way yahoo drafts is so wonky anyways if you don't go 500 deep you end up with people you dont care for. Hopefully I can get me like 1/10 picks. For some reason I have extremely good luck with first or last overall.
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
Different case, because we all know Belichick can't contend without Brady. He wasn't a genius when he coached in Cleveland...
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
Different case, because we all know Belichick can't contend without Brady. He wasn't a genius when he coached in Cleveland...
He was a genius coach before it was cool to be a genius coach, so you probably never heard of his genius when he was in Cleveland
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
Different case, because we all know Belichick can't contend without Brady. He wasn't a genius when he coached in Cleveland...
He was a genius coach before it was cool to be a genius coach, so you probably never heard of his genius when he was in Cleveland
Yah because he wasn't widely considered a genius before Cleveland with the giants. Like he never had a single game plan that was so brilliant it was enshrined in the hall of game or anything *eyeroll*
Yah because he wasn't widely considered a genius before Cleveland with the giants. Like he never had a single game plan that was so brilliant it was enshrined in the hall of game or anything *eyeroll*
Chancetragedy wrote: There's a quote from Bellichik talking about stuff like this where he says basically it's better to cut ties a year early than a year late. Obviously I trust what the patriots are doing because there track record speaks for itself. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it haha. Mankins was a leader on the team and you could all of his teammates were bummed to see him go.
Would you be mad at me then, for counting down the days until the Pats cut Brady??
Different case, because we all know Belichick can't contend without Brady. He wasn't a genius when he coached in Cleveland...
He was a genius coach before it was cool to be a genius coach, so you probably never heard of his genius when he was in Cleveland
Yah because he wasn't widely considered a genius before Cleveland with the giants. Like he never had a single game plan that was so brilliant it was enshrined in the hall of game or anything *eyeroll*
...back when he had Lawrence Taylor. *eyeroll*
It's almost as if his IQ soared to 180 when he had the best defensive player in the game, and then again later when he had arguably the best QB in the game, but dropped to 110 in between. So strange...
@gorgon it's almost like a good coach has to have good players to have a good team. OMG what a concept ;p
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@gorgon it's almost like a good coach has to have good players to have a good team. OMG what a concept ;p
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kronk wrote: Houston Texans are going 10-6 and snatching the wild card spot. Dallas will go 7-9.
That's my only prediction.
I think you're stretching a bit there Kronk.... Dallas will probably go 6-10 (if they're lucky), but if they're really lucky, and Romo gets hurt, they may bump up to about 8-8
Never used the Yahoo fantasy league system... there a way to set my "priority" players as well as the "do not touch these guys with a 10ft pole" players?
Never used the Yahoo fantasy league system... there a way to set my "priority" players as well as the "do not touch these guys with a 10ft pole" players?
Yes, go to your Draft Central and than Pre-draft rankings. Fiddle around.
Never used the Yahoo fantasy league system... there a way to set my "priority" players as well as the "do not touch these guys with a 10ft pole" players?
Yes, go to your Draft Central and than Pre-draft rankings. Fiddle around.
It looks like I made out fairly well for some positions, at least at the starter level... But some of those guys' bye weeks are going to hurt.... I mean, who the feth is Lamar Miller?? (aside from a RB from Miami)
If i had to guess, I'd say my team will be carried by three people: Rodgers, Lynch and SEA Defense
Yah in a 12 person league usually you'll have 1 maybe 2 spots that are strong then the rest are just squeaking out 5-10 points. I feel pretty comfortable with my team except that I put jermichael finley on my do not draft board and drafted him anyways ;(
Here's one for the "Nice work if you can get it" File...
Practice Squad Salary
Practice squad players earn a minimum of $6,300 per week, which totals $107,100 for a 17-week stint. Note that there is no maximum practice squad salary. A team can pay a practice squad player however much they want to entice the player to stay on their practice squad. Practice squad salaries do count against a team's cap space, however.
This will probably sound smarmy but I can think of a lot of things I wouldn't do for 100 grand because money doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. Getting paid to play football is not one of those I wouldn't do though. I'd kill to even be on a practice squad and wish I had tried harder when I was younger.
helgrenze wrote: Plus there is the possibility that another team can hire you to their active roster.... even temporarily, for more money.
That's the thing with the practice squad... Most guys on it could play one someone's roster somewhere. This isn't a "ohh, your resume looks good, it shows you even played in junior high school" it's more akin to a "walk on invitation" from a college program (you can't just walk on anymore, you actually have to be invited, however you wont even be offered a scholarship unless you blow their minds with your skill)
helgrenze wrote: Here's one for the "Nice work if you can get it" File...
Practice Squad Salary
Practice squad players earn a minimum of $6,300 per week, which totals $107,100 for a 17-week stint. Note that there is no maximum practice squad salary. A team can pay a practice squad player however much they want to entice the player to stay on their practice squad. Practice squad salaries do count against a team's cap space, however.
My cousin played NFL for four seasons, and then a few years on various practice squads. He's doing pre-game commentating and interviews on the SEC network, now.
JJ watt got PAID. 6 years 100ish million with 50+ guaranteed. I saw someone break down the math and if he collects the whole contract he will earn something like 200k per minute played.....
I love everything about JJ Watt. I even loved watching him pummel Marshawn Lynch last season.
That said, I feel that, knowing more about his deal now, that he could have waited until after this season and gained a little more leverage. His deal doesn't kick in until after his current contract is finished and I don't think he has a whole lot of guaranteed until then.
helgrenze wrote: Here's one for the "Nice work if you can get it" File...
Practice Squad Salary
Practice squad players earn a minimum of $6,300 per week, which totals $107,100 for a 17-week stint. Note that there is no maximum practice squad salary. A team can pay a practice squad player however much they want to entice the player to stay on their practice squad. Practice squad salaries do count against a team's cap space, however.
My cousin played NFL for four seasons, and then a few years on various practice squads. He's doing pre-game commentating and interviews on the SEC network, now.
This is pretty curious timing for a suspension when the big talking point is whether the league should hold him because of concussions. Like I'm not saying he didn't do it but pretty fortunate timing for sure.
Chancetragedy wrote: This is pretty curious timing for a suspension when the big talking point is whether the league should hold him because of concussions. Like I'm not saying he didn't do it but pretty fortunate timing for sure.
Nah, they'd only "help" out someone important, like Tom Brady
And on a patriots forum I frequent a poster actually posed that question though. Do you think if a Brady, Manning, Brees or the like got caught using would the nfl cover it up? I think so.
And on a patriots forum I frequent a poster actually posed that question though. Do you think if a Brady, Manning, Brees or the like got caught using would the nfl cover it up? I think so.
Lol, I was referring more to the idea that the NFL, in suspending Welker for some amphetemine thing is actually a coverup to "protect" Welker and his concussion situation. In that, we've seen in the wake of Brady getting injured, the NFL changed the rules (yet again) on hitting QBs.
iproxtaco wrote: I love everything about JJ Watt. I even loved watching him pummel Marshawn Lynch last season.
That said, I feel that, knowing more about his deal now, that he could have waited until after this season and gained a little more leverage. His deal doesn't kick in until after his current contract is finished and I don't think he has a whole lot of guaranteed until then.
Great player, but definitely a guy you wonder about with PEDs. You have to wonder a *little* when a guy goes from being a lightly recruited, 240-250 lb. 2-star TE prospect with average athleticism to a 290 lb. physical freak of a DE.
I respect Wisky's program a lot -- they develop and crank out NFL lineman like crazy (mainly on the o-line, but still). So I'd cut him some slack that I wouldn't if he'd stayed at Central Michigan. Still, there are reasons why people whisper about the guy. Clearly his case is at least very unique.
And on a patriots forum I frequent a poster actually posed that question though. Do you think if a Brady, Manning, Brees or the like got caught using would the nfl cover it up? I think so.
Lol, I was referring more to the idea that the NFL, in suspending Welker for some amphetemine thing is actually a coverup to "protect" Welker and his concussion situation. In that, we've seen in the wake of Brady getting injured, the NFL changed the rules (yet again) on hitting QBs.
Why is this still a thing people believe about the rules changes for Brady's injury in '08? It was a re-emphasis from a rules change resulting from Carson palmers knee injury 2 years earlier.
But to the point about a coverup I musnderstood you and your point actually coincides with what I was saying originally. Could this be some trumped up drug charge to avoid the issue of holding him out entirely. Idk frankly and I doubt the truth will ever come out .
Edit:@gorgon ehh idk I give dudes the benefit of the doubt in the NFL. Even if he is using PED's who isn't using some form of PED in the nfl. And it's not like he gained all that weight suddenly. He pretty steadily out on 10-15 lbs a year over the course of 3 years or so which is in no way unheard of in totally natural people. My buddy who is as clean as it gets put on 15lbs of muscle in 7 months without a personal trainer(he is one).
iproxtaco wrote: I love everything about JJ Watt. I even loved watching him pummel Marshawn Lynch last season.
That said, I feel that, knowing more about his deal now, that he could have waited until after this season and gained a little more leverage. His deal doesn't kick in until after his current contract is finished and I don't think he has a whole lot of guaranteed until then.
Great player, but definitely a guy you wonder about with PEDs. You have to wonder a *little* when a guy goes from being a lightly recruited, 240-250 lb. 2-star TE prospect with average athleticism to a 290 lb. physical freak of a DE.
I respect Wisky's program a lot -- they develop and crank out NFL lineman like crazy (mainly on the o-line, but still). So I'd cut him some slack that I wouldn't if he'd stayed at Central Michigan. Still, there are reasons why people whisper about the guy. Clearly his case is at least very unique.
Considering how much flak he receives from his teammates for "not having a life" and that, as a prank, they locked the gym prior to Watt's 3am workout. And after this most recent contract, the Texans had coincidentally changed the entry/security system for their gym, which locked JJ out, AGAIN, for his 3am workout... I don't really have too much reason to suspect him of PEDs over any other NFL player.
Also, to the position change: I can't tell you how many times I've seen a guy be recruited to college as one position, only to switch to another and suddenly become an absolute monster. Warren Sapp is another example as, in an interview with the Rock, they ask him about a story from his time at "The U" and he told them how this brash "kid" who was a Tight end basically came over to the defensive side, and when he introduced himself to Mr. Rock, said "I'm Warren Sapp and I'm gonna take your job" (which he subsequently did)
It's not really just about a guy putting on weight or finding a home at another position. That's just everyday football.
What's unusual is a guy becoming a chiseled, freak, combine-busting athlete capable of physically dominating NFL players after not really showing that kind of athleticism earlier in his life and at a lower weight.
Looking at the Warren Sapp example, he was recognized as a superior athlete in high school, was heavily recruited and ended up at the U. His Wikipedia entry talks about the kind of pure athlete he was. Check out that last line.
During the late 1980s, he was honored for outstanding football play at Apopka High School in Apopka, Florida at linebacker, tight end, place-kicker and punter.[4] He holds school records for sacks, tackles for a loss, and longest field goal. A two-sport athlete in high school, he also played third base on the baseball team and hit a school record 24 home runs his junior year for the Blue Darters. In high school football, his hard tackle of Johnny Damon in a game against Dr. Phillips High School team gave the future major league baseball star a concussion.
In 2007, Sapp was named to the Florida High School Association All-Century Team comprising the top 33 players in a hundred years of high school baseball in his home state.
Again, Wisky finds diamonds in the rough and builds 'em up probably better than anyone. So Watt might be legit. *shrug*
Chancetragedy wrote: This is pretty curious timing for a suspension when the big talking point is whether the league should hold him because of concussions. Like I'm not saying he didn't do it but pretty fortunate timing for sure.
Nah, they'd only "help" out someone important, like Tom Brady
From what they've said on the news, Denver knew about the failed test at the start of preseason, however Wes's appeal was just denied. Not sure why they didnt announce the suspension till after the appeal process
Two big mistakes on Special Teams almost extended that drive far longer than it should have. Seattle didn't look dominant, and the Packers looked slow.
That safety is classic Seahawks football. Back up the opposing offense on their own ten yard line, sack and fumble, safety for two points. The crowd went nuts after that and you could see Rodgers was a little shaken. I was a little worried about the defensive line after losing three players, but two sacks from the two ends so far is great news.
Someone post the gif of Pete Carroll with the top hat cane and monacle. This is the definition of Seahawks ball. Just squeezing the opponent to death slowly as they get stronger and stronger throughout the game.
Edit: a healthy harvin makes this Seahawks offense scary as crap.
Harvin adds a scary amount to the Seattle offense. Was a little concerned with some rather fundamental mistakes at the start of the game, but this is looking great now.
Thing that sucks is, on my dakka league.. I have Rodgers AND the Seattle D Still, not actually a bad start. Will have to see how the rest of the weekend shapes up.
(both Rodgers and the SEA Defense scored lower than their projected numbers, but Lynch was beast mode tonight and got me a fair bit of points)
I think I'm not gonna go to bed tonight till like 3am. I feel like it's Xmas eve right now and I'm 10 waiting for Santa. I don't know how I'm gonna deal with the anxiety of anticipation tomorrow morning lol. And of course I've been regulating my sleep lately so I don't sleep in, meaning I can't sleep later than 8. Oh boy!
Chancetragedy wrote: I think I'm not gonna go to bed tonight till like 3am. I feel like it's Xmas eve right now and I'm 10 waiting for Santa. I don't know how I'm gonna deal with the anxiety of anticipation tomorrow morning lol. And of course I've been regulating my sleep lately so I don't sleep in, meaning I can't sleep later than 8. Oh boy!
You better believe it. This has been a pretty bad summer for me with life crapping all over me and my family. It'll be nice to get a little escapism in the form of yelling at the tv for a couple hours a week.
Chancetragedy wrote: I think I'm not gonna go to bed tonight till like 3am. I feel like it's Xmas eve right now and I'm 10 waiting for Santa. I don't know how I'm gonna deal with the anxiety of anticipation tomorrow morning lol. And of course I've been regulating my sleep lately so I don't sleep in, meaning I can't sleep later than 8. Oh boy!
Get an early start.... some phenominal college football going on today.
But, for those of you who aren't in the US, or are like me: SATURDAY IS A RUGBY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Chancetragedy wrote: I think I'm not gonna go to bed tonight till like 3am. I feel like it's Xmas eve right now and I'm 10 waiting for Santa. I don't know how I'm gonna deal with the anxiety of anticipation tomorrow morning lol. And of course I've been regulating my sleep lately so I don't sleep in, meaning I can't sleep later than 8. Oh boy!
Get an early start.... some phenominal college football going on today.
But, for those of you who aren't in the US, or are like me: SATURDAY IS A RUGBY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
So, we downgraded our DirecTV package last month. Was just talking to my wife about upgrading so we can get ESPN/NFL network for Monday/Thursday games.
Is it just me, or on the face of things....do a lot of the Monday night games look like they're going to be stinkers?
Some of the Thursday ones look alright....but I can live without seeing them...just surprised at the MNF matchups.
This first half has been atrocious.... Browns suck on both sides of the ball. Spencer Lanning is currently the best player because he took a boot to the face.
Chancetragedy wrote: Alf what happened to Haden? My buddy says he looks attrocious so far?
Haden has been getting those stupid illegal use of the hands/holding calls.
Also the Browns continue to disappoint. 2 minutes left and they just get sacked over and over, and Big dumb Ben puts together a half field scoring drive to win it as time expires. I'll see you fethers next year.
She just kept putting her face in front of Rice's fist!
