I was gonna say the same thing to alf. The browns and patriots have the same record... It's one game, still 15+ to go no matter how bad your team looks.


As to the patriots our offensive line looks so bad right meow. Really not liking the mankins trade meow. Hopefully this can be cleaned up but my goodness we couldn't block Miami at all in that second half. Also the defense really needs to learn how to tackle meow. You are not gonna be able to strip in 90% of the time.

The Cowboys are a circus.

At least the Browns made a game of it.

Correction, the Cowboys are a flying circus of tragedy.

 helgrenze wrote:
Hell of a comeback for Philly. Nice recovery by Foles after 3 turnovers.

Hey Kronk, Nice job by the Texans.

Alf, That is a very defeatist attitude. They stayed in there against a divisional rival. That shows they have something to build on.

I'm very well aware of the type of attitude it is. While it may be 1 game, it's just another loss in the crap-tastic record of the "new" Browns. After how miserable the first half was, I was pretty much done. The third quarter was great to watch, but like the Browns of old (since 99) we can't cut when it counts. I'm just tired of constantly losing, especially close games like that one. I would have preferred the game end 32-3, that way I could have felt good about the loss. Instead they flash some life, they looked solid, they did very well with the no huddle, but when time was not on their side, the same old Browns reared their ugly head.

Cowboys are like a train wreck, I can't look away!

 TheMeanDM wrote:
So, we downgraded our DirecTV package last month. Was just talking to my wife about upgrading so we can get ESPN/NFL network for Monday/Thursday games.

Is it just me, or on the face of things....do a lot of the Monday night games look like they're going to be stinkers?

Some of the Thursday ones look alright....but I can live without seeing them...just surprised at the MNF matchups.

Wait... what did you downgrade to, that you no longer have ESPN, or NFL network?? Because those are in the BASIC package where I'm at.


Also... I feel bad for whoever has Romo as a QB in their fantasy team (not really)

Dang BOTH my teams lost or are going to lose. FFL down by 20 with only stafford left against the rest of the ghost of tony romo and victor Cruz. Haha what a terrible way to open the season up;p

Whats the Dakkadakka league details? I think I signed up but I can not find the info.

Post please

Try that death reaper http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/471803


Also I jus saw the steelers ninja kick and holy crap was that awesome hahaha.

Well, the plan we have is, I believe, called the "Family" package.

http://cdn.directv.com/cms2/support/20120323_family_channel_lineup.pdf

$29.99 / month. They don't really advertise it on their site, you need to either ask for it, or ask for their lowest priced package.

I do miss my SyFy....and other stuff...but...I'm still living, so it wasn't a necessity (lol).

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If you are sick and tired of being a fan of a losing team.....then simple: STOP BEING A FAN OF A LOSING TEAM

Pick another team to like. It's that easy.

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Never wanted to root for the 49ers...but considering I have their DEF, Kap and Gore....I am begrudgingly rooting for them to at least perform well enough to help me to victory.

So far, they're playing outstanding.

Then again....

It *is* the Cowboys they're playing.....


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That was an awesome shot by Brown!

http://deadspin.com/antonio-brown-kicks-a-punter-in-the-face-in-extreme-sl-1631681037?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Wow my FFL team fell apart staring with KC. Oh well my niners look dominant

SERIOUSLY ROMO TO T.WILL?!? That is so dumb ;(. Thought I had a chance for like .5 seconds there lol.

I may win my game, my opponent needs to get 42 points between Reggie Bush, Emmanuel Sanders, and Michael Floyd... Feeling pretty confident, but a little sad that Ben Tate went down in the middle of the game, and that Tampa's D was terrible...

Unless Manning and J. Thomas both come down with a case of explosive diarrhea.....I am conceding the win to Ensis....SF just continually shot themselves in the foot with penalties.

They would have a good run or pass...and *tweet* "Holding"....ah well!

Clowney tore his meniscus. Out 4-6 weeks or so.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Alf what happened to Haden? My buddy says he looks attrocious so far?

Haden has been getting those stupid illegal use of the hands/holding calls.

Also the Browns continue to disappoint. 2 minutes left and they just get sacked over and over, and Big dumb Ben puts together a half field scoring drive to win it as time expires. I'll see you fethers next year.

I dunno...I think the comeback is something for your squad to build on. I've seen Browns teams quit plenty of times, and they sure didn't today. Clearly they were still playing for Pettine, and that's a good sign. It's week 1.

The Steelers' defense is very much a WIP with all the new guys, and the offense is going to have to shoulder the load until they start to gell. Today they did...but only barely.

Edit: Regarding week 1, 25 seasons ago your Browns beat my Steelers 51-0 in the opener. The Steelers lost 41-10 in week 2 to the Bengals. They went 9-5 the rest of the way, made the playoffs, beat the Oilers and nearly upset the Broncos in what might have been Chuck Noll's finest coaching job. Never quit on your team this early.

I'm gonna take solace in the fact that I'm not like one of the Cleveland Sports Media who was yelling after the game that the reason why the Browns lost is because they didn't put Johnny Manziel, which ranks up there as one of the dumbest sports comments I've ever heard...

Anyone else watching the Colts/Broncos game?

I figured the Colts were going to get beat, but I sure didn't figure it was going to be this bad.

Well, they did come back and make a game of it.....only losing by 7.

Not sure why they didn't try for the 2nd on-side kick...but...they got lucky and got the 3 and out.

Did you just hear that Manning and Favre are the only 2 qb's to have beaten every NFL team in their career?

I absolutely loved his response to being told that!!

Yeah, I'm not sure either. If they had managed to punch it in during the 3rd instead of trying that goofy quarterback sneak and losing it on the goal line, I would have been much happier.

I didn't see that part, unfortunately I couldn't watch the end because I had to go finish up some classwork, but that's damn impressive.

And after further video is released about the incident, the Ravens have cut Ray Rice.

Seeing the video, totally the right move.

Ninja'ed.

That video...whew. You kinda think it wasn't his first time hitting a woman.

The Texans are undefeated!


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Chancetragedy wrote:
Clowney tore his meniscus. Out 4-6 weeks or so.

Noooooo!

And now an indefinite suspension for Ray Rice from the NFL. Talk about a disaster for the NFL in how they handled this issue.

I guess I have to cut him too!

I hate the nfl. They want to take a basketball team away from a guy for stupid racist stuff but than give a two game suspension for a football player who beat a woman. Why does racism matter more than beating a woman unconscious?

 Laemos wrote:
I hate the nfl. They want to take a basketball team away from a guy for stupid racist stuff but than give a two game suspension for a football player who beat a woman. Why does racism matter more than beating a woman unconscious?

Well, that's pretty much why everyone was calling bs on the original suspension. Now that the full story is out (whether or not you believe the NFL saw the footage of the interior of the elevator is up to you - personally I believe they knew from the beginning), Ray Rice is indefinitely suspended and cut from his team.

And that isn't to mention the enormous, humiliating black eye on the NFL itself. From a league standpoint, this is a solid contender for the biggest screw up and embarrassment the league has ever gone through.

 Laemos wrote:
I hate the nfl. They want to take a basketball team away from a guy for stupid racist stuff but than give a two game suspension for a football player who beat a woman. Why does racism matter more than beating a woman unconscious?

My Sirius/XM was temporarily out, so I had to listen to AM sports radio this morning, and they brought up an even better point to the Ray Rice incident. Never mind that he was suspended, then cut, and now indefiinitely banned from football. NONE of that is important.


What is important: WHY IS THIS GUY NOT GOING TO COURT!?

Because his wife isn't pressing charges, AND married him after the fact. This whole situation stank to high hell from the beginning and I'm glad the nfl finally decided to get it right. Bye bye rayray see you NEVER.

 curran12 wrote:
And now an indefinite suspension for Ray Rice from the NFL. Talk about a disaster for the NFL in how they handled this issue.

The real disaster here will be the total sh*t show that comes from the inevitable lawsuit Rice will file against the NFL. No double jeopardy. Rice was already serving an approved punishment (which was a total crap deal, he should have been banned in the first place) and several legal consultants are saying that should Rice decide to challenge Goodell on being permabanned, Rice would win the case due to the fact that this incident was already handed through the court system or some such. Basically, Goodell has no legal leg to stand on to ban him. If Ray Lewis can stand trial for murder and return, Michael Vick can do prison time for dog fighting and come back, Big Ben rapes a few women and comes back, then Rice will certainly try to make it back in. But I highly doubt any team will want anything to do with him for at least a few years.

This whole thing is a fiasco and frankly, as much as I LOVE NFL FOOTBALL, this just proves that Goodell is an ass-clown with no business running the league. Rice should have been banned in the first place.

Also, Broncos FTW...barely lol! What a game!

Pretty much my sentiments exactly, Murdius.

So... wait... I'm confused.

He only got cut/suspended because you can see that he knocked her out?

How'd the feth did you think he did it before this video????

No he was cut and banned because of the outrage surrounding the whole thing. Goodell got caught trying to take it easy on a star. Of course they knew about the video. The problem was that it got released and there has been so much outcry about Rice's two game slap on the wrist that Goodell had to act and try and save face. Ravens did so because they too were in the line of fire. Rice should have had at least a one year suspension WITHOUT PAY just on the premise alone in the first place. They only cut him because they were starting to look REALLY, REALLY bad for keeping him around after video surfaced. They should have cut him in the first place.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
No he was cut and banned because of the outrage surrounding the whole thing. Goodell got caught trying to take it easy on a star. Of course they knew about the video. The problem was that it got released and there has been so much outcry about Rice's two game slap on the wrist that Goodell had to act and try and save face. Ravens did so because they too were in the line of fire. Rice should have had at least a one year suspension WITHOUT PAY just on the premise alone in the first place. They only cut him because they were starting to look REALLY, REALLY bad for keeping him around after video surfaced. They should have cut him in the first place.

Personally, I think what it is, is that YES, the team and league knew *something* happened in the realm of Domestic violence/abuse. Without any real evidence, they said, "OK, we don't stand for, or tolerate this behavior, here's a couple games' suspension"... Fast forward to a couple days ago, or however long it was, and now it's public record, the actual footage of what exactly went down... So, before we had a punishment with no real evidence, and now we have evidence where neither the Team nor League want to say "well, what our players do on their off time is their own business" and if they want to actually show themselves as being tough on things like DV, as they are a VERY public group, they absolutely had to get rid of the clown.

TMZ is reporting that the NFL new of the existence of the video, but did not see it? I think I've got that right. They also said they'll reveal evidence confirming as much tomorrow.

 Alfndrate wrote:
TMZ is reporting that the NFL new of the existence of the video, but did not see it? I think I've got that right. They also said they'll reveal evidence confirming as much tomorrow.

Lol, basically an online tabloid, that's rich.... Also, I believe that the official stance on the evidence is that both the Team and League knew about it (because it was reported as such when the story broke that there was video evidence), but the video "released" today was not available to be viewed by either party.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
TMZ is reporting that the NFL new of the existence of the video, but did not see it? I think I've got that right. They also said they'll reveal evidence confirming as much tomorrow.

Lol, basically an online tabloid, that's rich.... Also, I believe that the official stance on the evidence is that both the Team and League knew about it (because it was reported as such when the story broke that there was video evidence), but the video "released" today was not available to be viewed by either party.

I literally cannot believe the league didn't see this. Seeing as both peter king and Chris mortenson described the exact events in the video in question in articles MONTHS ago. Peter king has since bumblingly refuted his own article but mortenson who described the events exactly(1punch, janay's head hit railing) has not done that yet. There is literally ZERO chance the league/ravens didn't see this unless they chose to not view it, which IMO is far worse.

Chancetragedy wrote:
There is literally ZERO chance the league/ravens didn't see this unless they chose to not view it, which IMO is far worse.

That is, IMO debatable, since guys like Mortenson and King are journalists of some variety, so they probably have more freedom to acquire this sort of information as opposed to a person's employer.

The NFL employs ex-FBI and the like as investigators for league security. If a journalist can call in a favor and get to see a video, an entity with the wealth and resources of the NFL CERTAINLY can. Don't be naive.

@whembly -- People wanted to believe it went down more like he said...that she freaked out on him, he defended himself by pushing her away, and her head hit the elevator. Horrible and wrong...absolutely. But you kinda hoped that there was even the smallest accidental component.

However, what the video showed was much different, and worse. It's not just that he hit her. It's stuff like him standing over her calmly after it happened, never really checking to see if she was okay, and then coldly using her as a door stop. It wasn't a crime of passion...it was something closer to psychopathic and really makes you think that wasn't the first time he's hit a woman.

 gorgon wrote:
The NFL employs ex-FBI and the like as investigators for league security. If a journalist can call in a favor and get to see a video, an entity with the wealth and resources of the NFL CERTAINLY can. Don't be naive.

Journalists can get FOIA requests in, but an ex-FBI guy, I doubt could "call in a favor" to get information on an active/ongoing investigation... As ESPN has been repeating the overall timeline, it has brought up again, that Rice was entered into a "pre-trial intervention program" which suggests to me that criminal charges may still come forward, regardless of whether the wife wants them too... ESPECIALLY with the video evidence being made public now (and good luck finding a fair and impartial jury with this)

@ensis - So in an investigation isn't it the NFL's obligation to get all relevant information? If they were able to obtain the video outside the elevator why couldn't they get the video from inside? It's from the same source who was obviously willing to divulge it. Unless they decided they didn't want to see it. In which case they were either morally corrupt deciding it didn't matter or they're lying and they saw it and were hoping it wouldn't get out.

No opinion on the Rice thing.... let it play out.

Every team from the NFC East started out horrid. These were the scores at half time....
NYG were down 14-7
Wash was down 14-6
Dallas was down 28-3
Eagles were down 17-0
Two teams were able to recover.... as seen in the final scores... Only one managed a win.
NYG lost 14-35 (Det)
Dallas lost 17-28 (SF)
Wash lost 6-17 (Hou)
Philly Won 34-17 (Jax)

Eli managed a whopping 53 QB rating. RG3 got the best rating of the four, 96.7, but his team just couldn't find the endzone. Philly and Dallas Def both stiffened up for the second half, but Dallas couldn't get the SF Off off the field fast enough.

As an Eagles fan I like the outcome but really, that was just a poor showing from the once powerful NFC east.

Yeah, he was in such distress and so threatened with bodily harm that he just had no other choice than to clock her one.

Who is even arguing that meanD? I think we are all in pretty heavy agreement Rice is a scumbag for this...

sar·casm
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noun
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

Just throwing in my 2 cents to support the mocking of RR.

Ok. Guess I didn't get it, carry on ;p

It's morning, I'll forgive you

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Some news outlets are reporting that the casino has said that the NFL did *not* request the video of RR's incident.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192202-nfl-reportedly-didnt-request-ray-rice-domestic-violence-video-for-investigation

Yeah....if they didn't SEE it, it must NOT have happened.

@chance I get what you're saying, but based on everything we have to go by, the NFL did not see, nor have access to see, the interior of the elevator until monday.


Now, the Ravens are not making the same claims as the League is, but Harbaugh did say in his interview that he hadn't seen the video because it "wasn't available" to him.

Obviously, this situation will continue playing out, but for the moment I feel that I have to take the word of the team and league when they say they hadn't seen the video until monday.




@helgrenze there was some talk on sports radio yesterday about how "dumb" the Cowboys play calling was. There was a feeling that Murray was running all over the 9ers defense, but they almost never really took advantage of it... As soon as they got closer to the endzone, they tried passing it, when it was clear that SF wasn't really able to stop the running game.

Roger Goodell and the NFL knew Ray Rice knocked out Janay Palmer in the elevator BEFORE this latest video emerged. Rice admitted to it plus the initial video (outside the elevator) tells the story. Rice gets a 2 game suspension after admitting he knocked out his wife/girlfriend in the elevator. So why is everyone acting so alarmed when a video is leaked showing everything we already knew and what Rice already admitted to? Admittedly, Rice's inititial punishment should've been a indefinate suspension but why did his punishment change after seeing a video of what everyone already knew? It's like watching a porn video and pretending to be shocked at all the nudity. This feigned outrage is nothing but PR and damage control by the NFL. The NFL is only concerned about two things: money and image. If there's something out there that tarnishes the NFL image - burying it. If it doesn't create a new revenue stream - sue it.

Quite a good summation by one of the BR posters. Credit to him!

Truly is the National Felon League

@Ensis

So let's say the NFL and the Ravens truly did not see the video (I think they did but that's neither here nor there), what difference does it make, exactly? Does not seeing the video absolve them from the woefully, tragically inadequate response to this?

Willful ignorance is not an excuse.

 curran12 wrote:
@Ensis

So let's say the NFL and the Ravens truly did not see the video (I think they did but that's neither here nor there), what difference does it make, exactly? Does not seeing the video absolve them from the woefully, tragically inadequate response to this?

Willful ignorance is not an excuse.

No, it isn't. My personal thinking on their line of thinking/reasoning is that "well, we saw the video from the outside of the elevator, so something happened, and so we need to do something... But it probably isn't that bad, I mean, guys say things are worse than they really are, so when he says he "knocked her out" he probably means he just hit her, which is bad, but isn't *really* that bad" But then they see the video and say "damn, when he said he knocked her out, he really meant it... this is much worse than we thought, we need to do more"


It does bring to light certain societal issues that are still relevant to today's world, and makes people who have not, or do not experience it realize that something like DV is VERY ugly, which hopefully leads to better awareness of help/help programs for people.

The problem in that is that it is not just Ray Rice saying "I knocked her out." There's also the video of him dragging her unconscious body out of an elevator and dumping her on the floor.

This is not a matter of interpreting one man's words for the truth. We saw exactly what happened. Even just the exterior video implies a huge amount of activity, how can you POSSIBLY be surprised at the content of the interior video?

Not surprised at all... But I think there's an element of actually seeing it, as opposed to only having to imagine it that brings that sick feeling to the stomachs of many who have seen it.

I think we all have to admit that, prior to this, there was some level of denial about how bad DV is (unless you've lived through it, or currently live in it)... seeing things like this probably don't really surprise people, but it shocks them because they are having their "blinders" taken off and can actually see how bad it really is.


During the Monday Night games halftime shows, they showed numerous interviews with players from around the league, and I think it's a good thing they got rid of RR, because a lot of guys would have been targetting him.... When there are players visibly choking up due to their past experiences with this (the one Pittsburgh player they interviewed said his mom actually died because of DV), and you combine this with an already violent game, it's just not a good recipe for the players involved.

Of course, that has absolutely no bearing on WHY the league and Ravens cut RR (as was mentioned earlier its all about $ and image with the League)

I'd agree with that entirely. It's one thing to read the stories and statistics, it's quite another to see it happen on camera.

That said, I think that was the bigger reason for the league's and Raven's lack of action on it. They saw the whole video, and just locked up in a bit of panic. Ignorance to domestic violence is rife in their reactions to it, such as Commissioner Goddell interviewing Mrs. Rice...with Mr. Rice, her abuser, in the room with her. Basically got her testimony with the gun right to her head if she spoke out.

Do I think Goddell intended that? No. But it shows a huge degree of ignorance and incompetence.

LOL... was this ever called a penalty?

Yes whembly. He was slapped with an "Unnecessary Roughness" 15 yard penalty.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Yes whembly. He was slapped with an "Unnecessary Roughness" 15 yard penalty.

LOL... okay... because that looks kinda, sorta accidental.

Also, the next commish??

She couldn't do any worse than Goodell has.

I think during the "quiet" times he has done fine...but when the gak hit the fan, well, he kind of fell apart.


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And I agree, I honestly think it was completely accidental that he connected with his face. I believe Brown thought that the punter was going to go low, and so he was leaping....but the dude didn't go anywhere and when he was coming down, well, foot...meet face...

 TheMeanDM wrote:

And I agree, I honestly think it was completely accidental that he connected with his face. I believe Brown thought that the punter was going to go low, and so he was leaping....but the dude didn't go anywhere and when he was coming down, well, foot...meet face...

While I won't advocate this as a rule change, in Rugby Union, it is actually illegal for a ball carrier to leap or hurdle another player, for basically this exact reason (however with rugby there are obviously no bits of "armor" to protect the face of the guy getting a foot)


I think the best part of the whole thing was the crowds' reaction which, I think definitely "pumped up" the players and even more of the fans, lol.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
She couldn't do any worse than Goodell has.

I think during the "quiet" times he has done fine...but when the gak hit the fan, well, he kind of fell apart.

Goodell has shown astonishingly poor judgment at times. In this case it seems that he became arrogant enough to honestly think that he could sweep the Rice incident under the rug.

He probably figured that it worked for Spygate (even destroying that evidence before anyone could see what was really on those tapes). But this is a criminal matter involving many more people and moving parts.
Right now, he's sticking to his story...but if he saw the tape, that will probably eventually come out, somehow, someway.

If he was aware of the tape but genuinely didn't see it as he claims, then I guess he's saying that he's an idiot and incompetent. In his position, how do you decide punishment for something while ignoring THAT piece of evidence? Does the league fine players for helmet-to-helmet hits without examining the video evidence? I suppose it's possible that he refused to see the tape based on some plausible deniability angle, but it's hard to see what angle would be.

He'll keep his job because he answers to the owners and he makes the owners a lot of money. But even after the furor over this dies down, the public is going to HATE the guy twice as much as they did before, and it's hard to see how that's a positive situation for the league.

Uh oh. Chris mortenson just broke that a law enforcement official just came out saying he sent a copy of the inside the elevator video to the nfl.


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I do love how the LEO was not "authorized" to release the video to the NFL, but did so anyway. I'm sure if it comes out who sent the video, that he'd be looking for work (at best)


Also... looking at this week's fantasy matchups... Hlaine, I do not envy your options at QB this week

Chance good luck this weekend, I'm coming for ya!

If it wasn't for you and sound wave taking all my waiver players I'd feel confident but as it stands I'm feeling only ok about beating your behind ;p

What? I'd never take players from waivers

Chancetragedy wrote:
If it wasn't for you and sound wave taking all my waiver players I'd feel confident but as it stands I'm feeling only ok about beating your behind ;p

Your team looks kinda scary actually. I'm gonna have to dig in!

Also, I'm a Ravens guy BTW and I'm COMPLETEY over the Ray Rice thing.

Chance who would you have even picked up? Guys for bye weeks? Your team is fairly terrifying the only thing you could really improve on is maybe your D.

 soundwave591 wrote:
Chance who would you have even picked up? Guys for bye weeks? Your team is fairly terrifying the only thing you could really improve on is maybe your D.

Dude, don't throw him no bones. He does have a scary team!

Oh I'm not, I'm just curious why he would even be interested in the waivers. Thats a scary team with glaring holes

 soundwave591 wrote:
Chance who would you have even picked up? Guys for bye weeks? Your team is fairly terrifying the only thing you could really improve on is maybe your D.

Sorry I was in class haha. But I wanted Dwayne Allen. Pitta is garbage and I've been trying to upgrade my TE spot. Also I forget who byte took from me but it resulted in me taking Aaron Dobson instead.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I do love how the LEO was not "authorized" to release the video to the NFL, but did so anyway. I'm sure if it comes out who sent the video, that he'd be looking for work (at best)


Also... looking at this week's fantasy matchups... Hlaine, I do not envy your options at QB this week

not great options is it, another league is worse because I have to choose between good options and I lost because I put in Foles when I had Luck & Ryan on the bench

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:


not great options is it, another league is worse because I have to choose between good options and I lost because I put in Foles when I had Luck & Ryan on the bench

Lol, last week I had Aaron Rodgers starting, because I basically failed to set my team up, and my Defense was Seattle. Needless to say, I should have started Roethlisberger (not that it really mattered, I still came out 1-0)

I find it interesting that my team is being graded so low... Only team that isn't projected to break 100.
And I have no combo to raise that above 100.
Ah well, Still gonna beat Walrus.

Hey, that's what Byte thought too, and look how that turned out.

 helgrenze wrote:
I find it interesting that my team is being graded so low... Only team that isn't projected to break 100.
And I have no combo to raise that above 100.
Ah well, Still gonna beat Walrus.

Theres another team too. The projections had me over you last week, we saw how that turned out haha.
I feel like mine is projected low this week too though

 IAmTheWalrus wrote:
Hey, that's what Byte thought too, and look how that turned out.

I got decimated...

I hate Gary Kubiak and Owen Daniels so much right now. SOO MUCH.

So.... can both teams just disappear into the phantom zone? As a Browns fan, I think this is good for the long term success of my team.

Also, those last two calls on Pittsburgh were... interesting. Polamalou hit with his shoulder it looked like, the second one seemed similar, though that missed assignment was just bad D all day.

I thought the Polamalu one was an "ok" call. But that hit on smith at the goal line was clean as it gets IMO, shoulder to shoulder on the slowmo replay.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I hate Gary Kubiak and Owen Daniels so much right now. SOO MUCH.

Bastard :p and that's the game. Time to try and get sleep before the new iphone goes up for pre-order. Stupid 3am EST release ;(

1-1 Ravens. I'll take it!

 soundwave591 wrote:

 helgrenze wrote:
I find it interesting that my team is being graded so low... Only team that isn't projected to break 100.
And I have no combo to raise that above 100.
Ah well, Still gonna beat Walrus.

Theres another team too. The projections had me over you last week, we saw how that turned out haha.
I feel like mine is projected low this week too though

Reaper had a RB get listed as out. and since his replacement has already played....
But Fuku is in the same boat with his TE.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I thought the Polamalu one was an "ok" call. But that hit on smith at the goal line was clean as it gets IMO, shoulder to shoulder on the slowmo replay.

Yeah, I was rather amazed that the Polamalu hit was deemed "illegal" my rugby club and I were watching the last bit of game after practice, and we all generally agreed that the ref needed some help on that one.

Well, it was a minor upset that the helmet-to-chest hit that Roethlisberger took was actually penalized. The amount of hits he takes that aren't penalized is a very long running joke among Steelers fans. I think getting one of those calls for a change helped my mood when Polamalu got flagged. *shrug*

Still, it was enlightening to hear the ref in the broadcast booth *gush* over what great officiating both calls were, explaining how just getting up *near* the head and neck area is a sure penalty.

You can't say that you don't "learn" something new every time you watch an NFL game these days. Honestly, I think refs mostly just flag any big hit they see.

It was also good to hear that the Ravens were playing for Rice and good to see all the women at the game wearing their Rice jerseys.

Even worse was some of the interviews with said women. It was shocking to hear some of the opinions they we're expressing.


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The hits just keep on coming. Adrian Peterson indicted on child abuse charges ;(. What the heck is wrong with people.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Even worse was some of the interviews with said women. It was shocking to hear some of the opinions they we're expressing.


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The hits just keep on coming. Adrian Peterson indicted on child abuse charges ;(. What the heck is wrong with people.

APs "abuse" charges seem to stem from him using a "switch" to spank his child.

Hardly child abuse. Sounds like a money grab.

Have you seen the pictures?

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

Pictures of the sons injuries in this link.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/


If a state like Texas is indicting you with a GRAND JURY on child abuse charges when they allow corporal punishment in schools there is a problem........

Chancetragedy wrote:
Have you seen the pictures?

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

Pictures of the sons injuries in this link.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse/


If a state like Texas is indicting you with a GRAND JURY on child abuse charges when they allow corporal punishment in schools there is a problem........

Yup. Saw em. Pretty tame and, if I'm being honest, normal for southern black families. In my house it was a belt or a big fuckin hand. In 2014 America both of my parents would be arrested, I guess. I hate our country more and more everyday.

I'm tired of the media and the public outcry. Where's the indefinite suspensions for all the NFL DUI bros. How about the "normal" assaulters? feth, Dante Stallworth KILLED a person and was allowed back.

Such hypocritical, public outcry driven nonsense.

I'm at a loss for words here. Your really gonna try and rationalize child abuse of a 4 year old child? Do you even understand how much worse gettig hit with a switch is over a belt or hand?

Crazy days.

Chancetragedy wrote:
I'm at a loss for words here. Your really gonna try and rationalize child abuse of a 4 year old child? Do you even understand how much worse gettig hit with a switch is over a belt or hand?

I think were stretching the word "abuse" here.

And why is it worse than a belt?

Just out of curiousity where do you draw the line on abuse? He hit a 4 year old with a wooden stick judging by pictures in the range of 20+ times in the back, legs, butt, scrotum, stomach, arms, and hands by his own admission.

It's worse than a belt because from prior experience it draws blood and lacerates skin FAR easier and feels about 10x worse because of physics and the fact it doesn't flex as much as a belt. I got beat with all sorts of things as a kid, by far the worst was a wooden spoon followed closely by a switch(which was the only one I still have scars from 20 years later) and in distant last place on the pain scale was a belt.

I don't know where I draw the line, but I don't think this is abuse. I think if it's a habitual and malicious thing then that's abuse. I don't fall into the "any time you physically discipline your child it's abuse" camp.

I was spanked and disciplined plenty, and I'd take a few very minor cuts from a switch than the welts and bruising I received from belt.

Fair enough on the abuse part. We can agree to disagree.

But you don't understand about the switch. It leaves welts and bruises AND cuts you open. It's literally everything a belt does but 10x worse.

What I am surprised about....and makes me go *hmm* are thse things:

1) This happened in May and this is the first we hear of it
2) A grand jury already declined to charge him

Yah the pics look bad....and they look worse because they aren't just limited to his butt.

So I think that technically in most states it would probably be considered abuse because by he marks remained after 24 hours.

Thats one of the big defining things here in IA....as long as there are no marks after 24 hrs, its kosher.

To further highlight the deliciousness of NFL hypocrisy, the criminally convicted Greg Hardy will be starting for the Carolina Panthers this weekend.

What a cluster feth.

What was he convicted of?

* * * *

Did you see that there is now a new drug policy going into place?

Big highlights:

1) acceptable marijuana level raised from 15 to like 35 units in the blood
2) suspension for a 4th time drug offense (like Gordon's) is only 10 games instead of a year
3) HGH testing now, except no testing in game day
4) sime changes to appeal stuff

Hardy was convicted of hitting his girlfriend/wife or whatever. Happened early in the offseason. I will 100% agree with you cincy in the fact the nfl and roger goodell specifically are hypocritically inconsistent In there punishment. Goodell needs to lose his job and post haste. It's prett unbelievable he's still employed making 44million a year.

Ray McDonald (49ers DE) is also up on domestic charges but the leagues doing nothing. I think there's been 56 domestic abuse cases since Goddell's been commissioner but only about 13 games in suspensions handed out (This was before Rice's ban got boosted to 'indefinite')
Goddell will keep his job because not enough owners will want to kick him and that's all the matters in the end

See, and that's the thing that people don't think about sometimes.

They want anyone who is arrested to be immediately suspended or disciplined.....because they are obviously guilty.

Well, the problem is that this pesky thing we have called a "justice system" is actually the institution that determines guilt or innocence.

As much as the court of public opinion may want to convict him and toss these people out of the league because *the people* think he is already guilty.....they need to be found guilty legally first.

So, until he is convicted legally, the league cannot (and really, should not) suspend anybody.

It's the right thing to do. And sometimes, doing the right thing is neither the easy nor desirable thing.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
As much as the court of public opinion may want to convict him and toss these people out of the league because *the people* think he is already guilty.....they need to be found guilty legally first.

Nonsense. Just like any other employer the league has the ability to fire people before they are convicted of a crime, or without being convicted at all. There might be some argument for "wait and see" in cases where guilt is uncertain and we're still waiting for the facts, but these aren't controversial cases we're talking about. The players are obviously guilty, and there's nothing left to wait for. Fire them and move on.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Ray McDonald (49ers DE) is also up on domestic charges but the leagues doing nothing. I think there's been 56 domestic abuse cases since Goddell's been commissioner but only about 13 games in suspensions handed out (This was before Rice's ban got boosted to 'indefinite')
Goddell will keep his job because not enough owners will want to kick him and that's all the matters in the end

And there have been even more cases of regular assault and DUI/DWI, yet there's no moral outrage or thirst for blood. Domestic abuse and regular good old fashioned assault should be dealt with the exact same way.

 Peregrine wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
As much as the court of public opinion may want to convict him and toss these people out of the league because *the people* think he is already guilty.....they need to be found guilty legally first.

Nonsense. Just like any other employer the league has the ability to fire people before they are convicted of a crime, or without being convicted at all. There might be some argument for "wait and see" in cases where guilt is uncertain and we're still waiting for the facts, but these aren't controversial cases we're talking about. The players are obviously guilty, and there's nothing left to wait for. Fire them and move on.

If, out of the blue, your employer came to you and said that they were firing you because a co-worker claimed that you exposed yourself to them....how would that make you feel? A bit angry? Like it's not fair? Like "I'm going to sue those buggers because I'm innocent!"

 TheMeanDM wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
As much as the court of public opinion may want to convict him and toss these people out of the league because *the people* think he is already guilty.....they need to be found guilty legally first.

Nonsense. Just like any other employer the league has the ability to fire people before they are convicted of a crime, or without being convicted at all. There might be some argument for "wait and see" in cases where guilt is uncertain and we're still waiting for the facts, but these aren't controversial cases we're talking about. The players are obviously guilty, and there's nothing left to wait for. Fire them and move on.

If, out of the blue, your employer came to you and said that they were firing you because a co-worker claimed that you exposed yourself to them....how would that make you feel? A bit angry? Like it's not fair? Like "I'm going to sue those buggers because I'm innocent!"

the NFL is a very observed occupation, just Like the Donald Sterling incident although he didn't break a law he brought the NBA's reputation into disrepute and was kicked out.
Being fired because of another employee's word in a 'regular' job is an entirely different ballpark

For the most part I feel the larger amount of outrage against Rice is due to the pretty graphic video of the incident being out in the public domain

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:


For the most part I feel the larger amount of outrage against Rice is due to the pretty graphic video of the incident being out in the public domain

Agreed. That seems to be substantiated by the fact that Hardy and the Niners bro aren't receiving close to the same scrutiny.

I guess that I'm a Lawful Neutral kind of fella, with "Good" tendencies....

I certainly don't like the actions of Rice et al, and I do believe that they are indeed guilty of the crimes which they are (or have been) charged with.....however....we do have a legal process in this country that should be followed.

This is their job, and it's basically no different than what you or I do. They should be afforded the same job protection and due process from suspension/termination that anybody else should receive.

Yes, I realize that they are in the public eye, and far more scrutinized....but again, it's my opinion that their jobs should not be taken away while under investigation for X, Y, or Z charges.

Look at police officers involved in shootings.....I believe that it is customary to put them on "paid administrative leave" while investigations are being completed. They don't suspend them without pay....they don't suspend them because they are guilty. They let the investigation process work.

Personally I think that would be a great option for the NFL to utilize....but of course, there would be people who say "Why is he still getting paid while they investigate him?"

It's kind of a lose-lose no matter what kind of position that they adopt regarding suspensions.

It really is a lose-lose.

Oh man...this article got me right in the feels....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vikings--swift-decision-to-sit-adrian-peterson-is-approach-ravens-should-have-taken-025641889.html

The editorial hyperbole in that article is pretty impressive.

Can we talk about football?

So Peterson's being out for tomorrow is killing my money league team.

 cincydooley wrote:
So Peterson's being out for tomorrow is killing my money league team.

I picked up his handcuff for the Dakka league in the event AP misses some more time.

 Byte wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
So Peterson's being out for tomorrow is killing my money league team.

I picked up his handcuff for the Dakka league in the event AP misses some more time.

Who is that even? I know gerheart is gone.....

 cincydooley wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
So Peterson's being out for tomorrow is killing my money league team.

I picked up his handcuff for the Dakka league in the event AP misses some more time.

Who is that even? I know gerheart is gone.....

Matt Asiata was their 3rd stringer last year (He got the start in their win versus Philly)

 Byte wrote:
Can we talk about football?

No!

 nels1031 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Can we talk about football?

No!

The Rammies will prevail over the Buccaniers!

Big football day tomorrow! Can't wait!

 whembly wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Can we talk about football?

No!

The Rammies will prevail over the Buccaniers!

ARRRRR you sure?

Browns will most likely lose tomorrow, but I have a feeling that it'll be a close game spread wise, and that both teams are going to forget what defense is, so 30 points or so...

 Gitzbitah wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Can we talk about football?

No!

The Rammies will prevail over the Buccaniers!

ARRRRR you sure?

Nope.

It'll be a slugfest tho... someone will squeak by a field goal.

Well, AP being benched certainly put some extra question marks into my fantasy team :(

I'm looking forward to Seattle completely dusting San Diego.

I would say I'm looking forward to Romo throwing more interceptions and completely melting down, as he did last week.... But then, that'd be like saying I'm looking forward to a sunrise in the morning

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Well, AP being benched certainly put some extra question marks into my fantasy team :(

I'm looking forward to Seattle completely dusting San Diego.

I would say I'm looking forward to Romo throwing more interceptions and completely melting down, as he did last week.... But then, that'd be like saying I'm looking forward to a sunrise in the morning

hey now, I look forward to sunrises. means I didnt die in my sleep

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Well, AP being benched certainly put some extra question marks into my fantasy team :(

I'm looking forward to Seattle completely dusting San Diego.

I would say I'm looking forward to Romo throwing more interceptions and completely melting down, as he did last week.... But then, that'd be like saying I'm looking forward to a sunrise in the morning

Hey he has to have a good week every once in a while (hopefully he chooses today )

RGIII is out....but Cousins is looking good...

D. Murray is shredding the Titans....

Interesting to see what the late games bring.

Great football all around!

Good game byte. I didn't stand a chance ;(

This Browns game >_<

Holy balls they pulled it off! Second home opener win since coming back in 99

Chancetragedy wrote:
Good game byte. I didn't stand a chance ;(

Moreno getting hurt didn't do you any favors.

 Byte wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Good game byte. I didn't stand a chance ;(

Moreno getting hurt didn't do you any favors.

Adrian Peterson or knowshon would have made the difference. Oh well.

Well....

This is why they lace them up every Sunday...or Monday....or Thursday...Saturday during the playoffs...


Friggin Chargers.

Stupid Jordi.

I'm dissapointed the Seahawks put up such a poor performance in terms of the areas they're usually so good at, but I'm not surprised they got beat. Philip Rivers has nerves of steel and I think the lack of expectation and pressure helped them a great deal.

 Alfndrate wrote:
This Browns game >_<

Holy balls they pulled it off! Second home opener win since coming back in 99

Dude... don't fret.

The Rams won by virtue of a rule that requires a 10-sec runoff when there's an injury on the field... the Bucs were within decent FG range, but with this rule, the game was over.

 whembly wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
This Browns game >_<

Holy balls they pulled it off! Second home opener win since coming back in 99

Dude... don't fret.

The Rams won by virtue of a rule that requires a 10-sec runoff when there's an injury on the field... the Bucs were within decent FG range, but with this rule, the game was over.

The game was good, but once Brees managed to find Graham it evened things up a bit (a lot). I'm glad they got the win, but they might not have gotten it if not for a damn lucky sack by Dansby to put the Saints out of field goal range.

My pick the winners picks got kicked in the jimmies this week.

however, it doesn't matter anymore:

J.J. Watt scores the first offensive touchdown of his NFL career

Chancetragedy wrote:

 Byte wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Good game byte. I didn't stand a chance ;(

Moreno getting hurt didn't do you any favors.

Adrian Peterson or knowshon would have made the difference. Oh well.

In my family league I replaced Peterson with Moreno.

And I had AJ green starting.

I have 19 points there.

I did the same thing replacing Peterson for Moreno. Had pitta starting over Delaney walker because I didn't know if I was gonna walker till it was too late.

I've got Jeffery on my Bench in two leagues because by all accounts he wasn't gonna play.

So of course he's on the field.

By the way....could there be any more penalties in the sunday night game?!

KAP IS KILLING ME!!!

Good lord, score a TD and then throw 2 INT's AND a Fumble to negate it....




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Not to mention Mr. Game-time Decison Marshall!

GAWD!!! 3 TD's for him!!!

I will NEVER doubt him again

 iproxtaco wrote:
I'm dissapointed the Seahawks put up such a poor performance in terms of the areas they're usually so good at, but I'm not surprised they got beat. Philip Rivers has nerves of steel and I think the lack of expectation and pressure helped them a great deal.

It's sad that even with bogus calls going their way, the Seahawks still lose.

man this sucked, jamaal charles goes out early, Hurns looks like a 1 week wonder. Seattle loses and the niners lose too, so that lose is negated as far as division race goes.

 cincydooley wrote:

In my family league I replaced Peterson with Moreno.

And I had AJ green starting.

I have 19 points there.

I'm in a family league as well. 0-2...

Bears win!!!
A new catch for a new stadium 9ers

Downside is we may have seen Tillman's last play, re-tearing that right triceps sounds like it could shut him down.
On the bright side Kyle Fuller really made the best of his opportunity with those two picks as well as Conte with that amazing diving one, Willie Young also managed to step up with a couple of sacks when Lamarr Houston was looking pretty bland against Jonathan martin at RT

Cutler also massively step it up after that illegal hit on him
Before: 8/18 38 Yards
After: 15/16 138 4 TDs

Yeah... that was a great game.

Cutler was balling in that game.

 soundwave591 wrote:
Seattle loses and the niners lose too, so that lose is negated as far as division race goes.

What's funny is, talking to some people up here in the Puget Sound area, the local sentiment seems to be "I'll take a loss on the road any week, over losing a game in which we are "unveiling" a new stadium"


Also, it's kind of hard to win when the Chargers had possession for over 45 minutes of the game (for you soccer folks out there, this is 3/4ths of the game, not a single half)

Well Charles Tillman officially placed on IR today

I worry about the bears defense. Even before all the injuries. Heading home to watch them beat the niners, had to work late last night and missed it. Gonna have my own Monday night football doubleheader

I feel bad for Tillman too. With all the stories of domestic violence, and child abuse going around the NFL these days, he was one of the good guys. It's the same arm that cost him the second half of last year, and it's probably career ending as a result.

"I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward." --Adrian Peterson

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I actually likes his response...and I believe it shows that he recognizes that there are indeed alternative ways to discipline children and teach them right from wrong and reapect for their parents (and respect for themselves too).

 TheMeanDM wrote:
"I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward." --Adrian Peterson

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I actually likes his response...and I believe it shows that he recognizes that there are indeed alternative ways to discipline children and teach them right from wrong and reapect for their parents (and respect for themselves too).

Agreed... I also don't really think that he abused his son as, in my limited experience (through anecdotes and knowing friends of friends, etc) the people who abuse their kids either have no idea they are abusing the kids, or are in some kind of denial. IMO, the fact that AP has come out and said, "I did this, and I may have taken it too far this time" says that he is conscious of the fact that there is a line, and that he may have crossed it.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
"I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward." --Adrian Peterson

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I actually likes his response...and I believe it shows that he recognizes that there are indeed alternative ways to discipline children and teach them right from wrong and reapect for their parents (and respect for themselves too).

I don't know Mean...

He just lost a son to domestic violence last year. No one wants to remember that.

I hate that this is part of our NFL talk.

 Byte wrote:

I hate that this is part of our NFL talk.

At the same time though, if you look into the relatively recent human history, it is Sport that brings awareness, as well as drives changes within society....

In the 1940s, Baseball was the defacto biggest thing in the USA, and it was baseball (as well as the DoD) that pioneered a racially "integrated" society.

Later, it was Rugby (arguably late to act) that acted against South Africa and it's apartheid policies that really drove home the idea that it was wrong.

Now, in the US, the NFL is one of, if not the biggest sports watched on TV today, and so we're probably going to see more of Today's societal issues come up, and we'll see how the NFL handles it, and react accordingly.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Byte wrote:

I hate that this is part of our NFL talk.

At the same time though, if you look into the relatively recent human history, it is Sport that brings awareness, as well as drives changes within society....

In the 1940s, Baseball was the defacto biggest thing in the USA, and it was baseball (as well as the DoD) that pioneered a racially "integrated" society.

Later, it was Rugby (arguably late to act) that acted against South Africa and it's apartheid policies that really drove home the idea that it was wrong.

Now, in the US, the NFL is one of, if not the biggest sports watched on TV today, and so we're probably going to see more of Today's societal issues come up, and we'll see how the NFL handles it, and react accordingly.

I'm sure your post is well thought out. I just completely can't agree. Millionaire owners and athletes don't represent my morals. Not now, not ever. It's a playboy club with the "play" being exposed a little until the media decides some other issue is more glamorous.

 Byte wrote:


I'm sure your post is well thought out. I just completely can't agree. Millionaire owners and athletes don't represent my morals. Not now, not ever. It's a playboy club with the "play" being exposed a little until the media decides some other issue is more glamorous.

You are absolutely correct. professional sports most definitely IS a millionaire "playboy owner" club, and it definitely shows now more than ever (I mean, when an average MLB player now makes something like 150x the "average" US annual salary, it is hard to see how these people affect the rest of society).

It's just a trend that I've noticed in studying history

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Byte wrote:


I'm sure your post is well thought out. I just completely can't agree. Millionaire owners and athletes don't represent my morals. Not now, not ever. It's a playboy club with the "play" being exposed a little until the media decides some other issue is more glamorous.

You are absolutely correct. professional sports most definitely IS a millionaire "playboy owner" club, and it definitely shows now more than ever (I mean, when an average MLB player now makes something like 150x the "average" US annual salary, it is hard to see how these people affect the rest of society).

It's just a trend that I've noticed in studying history

I think if the NFL collectively agrees felonies are bad like the rest of society they can make some progress on standards of conduct rulings and standards. See the pics of Jerry Jones and his friends? Released during all this madness... nobody cares.

Man what a game colts eagles was. Seems like chip kelly has Andrew Lucks number though haha.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Man what a game colts eagles was. Seems like chip kelly has Andrew Lucks number though haha.

I think Luck was hearing footsteps early, but I think that it was more those two calls going against us in the fourth quarter, when they probably shouldn't have. Not calling the pass interference, maybe, but he didn't have his hand inside the pads! How could it be a horseshoe tackle?!

And freaking Pep Hamilton's play calling drives me up the wall. He continues to try power running with Richardson, who Indy fans are definitely starting to regret wasting that first round pick on, and with Bradshaw, who is awesome while healthy. And all this when we could be running pass plays from Luck, a dangerous passer, to the dangerous combination of Wayne, Nicks and Hilton!

Gah!

in FFl news its between me and Fukuyama for last place

Season's early. Plenty of time for you to bounce back.

I know just not what I expected when I got jamaal charles lol. I'm crazy in lead in the other league I'm in. so long as I win 1 of the 2 games I have a week Im good

 IAmTheWalrus wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Man what a game colts eagles was. Seems like chip kelly has Andrew Lucks number though haha.

I think Luck was hearing footsteps early, but I think that it was more those two calls going against us in the fourth quarter, when they probably shouldn't have. Not calling the pass interference, maybe, but he didn't have his hand inside the pads! How could it be a horseshoe tackle?!

And freaking Pep Hamilton's play calling drives me up the wall. He continues to try power running with Richardson, who Indy fans are definitely starting to regret wasting that first round pick on, and with Bradshaw, who is awesome while healthy. And all this when we could be running pass plays from Luck, a dangerous passer, to the dangerous combination of Wayne, Nicks and Hilton!

Gah!

The pass interference I can give or take.

The Horsecollar was atrocious.

IMO those should be review able, as they aren't judgement calls like pass interference.

feth, the officials should be allowed to watch the replay on the big ass screen and change the call on their own.

Even without the contact, which Hilton initiated, Hilton's left cleat caught on the turf and he was going down. The pass was well behind him as well, even if he made that reverse, it's going to be a pick.

As for the horsecollar.... that's a tough call but the same type of jersey grab was called last week against the Eagles F. Cox on Gerhart.

 helgrenze wrote:


As for the horsecollar.... that's a tough call but the same type of jersey grab was called last week against the Eagles F. Cox on Gerhart.

I didn't see last week, but from the NFL...

Article 15: Horse-Collar Tackle. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey
pads or jersey, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a
quarterback who is in the pocket.

Source: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_2013_Player_Conduct.pdf

And if you take a look at this picture, Landry's hand is clearly on the outside of the jersey. Crap call refs.

http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/screen-shot-2014-09-16-at-9-38-26-am.png?w=1000

I'm so done with the nfl officiating. Even with replay they are crap lol.

This is the play I mentioned above. Cox's hand is clearly at the top of the "2" on Gabbert's jersey, but the flag was thrown for a Horsecollar. Cox was later fined for a hit on Henne.

 helgrenze wrote:
This is the play I mentioned above. Cox's hand is clearly at the top of the "2" on Gabbert's jersey, but the flag was thrown for a Horsecollar. Cox was later fined for a hit on Henne.

A crap call in that game does not excuse the equally crap call in the Colts/Eagles game.

And I would wager that the call in the Jags game didn't turn the momentum of the entire game.

Hey... at least they are calling it equal. that's a start.

 helgrenze wrote:
Hey... at least they are calling it equal. that's a start.

Calling it equally badly... hooray.

Also, good luck this week Kronk. Should be a hell of a game.

IMO, the refs are *overwhelmed*. They had plenty on their plates just keeping track of the traditional rules of football and penalties like offsides, holding, illegal motion, and good old fashioned pass interference. Now they're being asked to be the front line in Goodell's war on liability exposure.

What we're getting with these "horse collar tackles" (and things like the two flagged hits in the Steelers-Ravens game) are refs who aren't really seeing the penalties, but simply reacting to certain motions. If the ball carrier bends back like that -- horse collar. If there's a big hit -- unnecessary roughness or helmet-to-helmet. Etc. If there's any doubt at all -- throw the flag.

Don't throw the flag and Goodell will be up your ass because lawsuits. Throw the flag and you get us fans screaming bloody murder and throwing garbage on your lawn over bad, game-changing calls. I can only hazard to guess that these guys got into refereeing to actually, you know, ref, and not play safety patrol. It's become a pretty gak job if you think about it.

Peterson is out now for quite awhile....the owners of the Vikrs have "suspended" him until his legal stuff is done.

If my Broncos play like they have been the previous 2 weeks, they will get crushed up in seattle. Dumb mistakes. Lazy on defense. Little to no execution on offense.

Pathetic team is pathetic.

If Seattle plays like they did in San Diego....they may get whooped like AP's boy.

Too soon?

Seattle strikes me as a team that doesn't always get up for what they consider "lesser" teams. I'm sure against the broncos you'll see good ole dominate Seattle again. As to the broncos it's a long season, and they suffered some key injuries last year so they're probably intentionally starting slow to make sure they're good and healthy come playoff time.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Seattle strikes me as a team that doesn't always get up for what they consider "lesser" teams. I'm sure against the broncos you'll see good ole dominate Seattle again. As to the broncos it's a long season, and they suffered some key injuries last year so they're probably intentionally starting slow to make sure they're good and healthy come playoff time.

I would also throw Home Games in there with the "getting up" for a game, I mean, they've lost what... once in the past couple seasons at home?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I would also throw Home Games in there with the "getting up" for a game, I mean, they've lost what... once in the past couple seasons at home?

Well.. there are a couple reasons for that... Mostly because they aren't tested properly at home

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Peterson is out now for quite awhile....the owners of the Vikrs have "suspended" him until his legal stuff is done.

This is [MOD EDIT - No avoiding the expletive filter please - thanks! Alpharius]

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to.

This is a ton of nonsense. Gotta love the varying degrees of accountability being held in the NFL.

Just a joke.

Money talks. When radisson, anhueser Busch, and nike all come out and speak against Peterson playing the owners and league listen. Peterson also had to sign off on this so there's that.


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Lol the nfl crime spree continues haha. Jonathan Dwyer got arrested for domestic abuse today. What was this 48 hours since the last incident?

Sad to see my poor Giants are quickly becoming the Maple Leafs of the NFL...

Experiment 626 wrote:
Sad to see my poor Giants are quickly becoming the Maple Leafs of the NFL...

They'll never be Make ya Laughs, they haven't completely sold their souls out to corporate yet

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Sad to see my poor Giants are quickly becoming the Maple Leafs of the NFL...

They'll never be Make ya Laughs, they haven't completely sold their souls out to corporate yet

Also the parade hasn't been arranged since February 3rd

Cardinals' Jonathan Dwyer arrested for allegations of assault, deactivated.

 Byte wrote:
Cardinals' Jonathan Dwyer arrested for allegations of assault, deactivated.

After seeing this, a buddy of mine reminded me of the Mark Cuban comments from a while back about how the NFL is going to implode... Seems he was right, just not quite in the way he envisioned.

Ohh well, that just opens the door for Rugby!!!

The Panthers opening the season at 2-0 brings tears of the most sublime joy to my eyes and a tender warmth to the cockles of my oft-broken Carolina fan's heart.

Well this Thursday night game got out of hand in a hurry.

 cincydooley wrote:
Well this Thursday night game got out of hand in a hurry.

Figured I'd check the score whilst I got ready for bed, ended up watching the whole first half. I love my Seahawks and the Legion of Boom, but damn, I love watching an offense on a role like the Falcons are in this game just as much.

Wow.... why didn't I pick Tampa for least points..... Total ball security fails across the board. Only bright spot so far is the backup QB getting the longest run for the Bucs on the night.

Mercy rule?

I love Devin Hester. Met him once and he was super nice, glad he got the record!

But yah that game was awful. 21-0 in like what 6 minutes? And it only got worse from there.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Mercy rule?

Well, the Falcons did sit some of their main offensive guns for the 4th quarter... that's something of a mercy isn't it?!

I was thinking more "break the wrist, walk away, break the wrist, walk away".

But the Cobra Kai slogan is probably better suited here.

I was so relieved when I looked at my matchups this morning and realized I wasn't playing Julio Jones in any of my leagues.

Dude got 44 points in my PPR league.

Full point per reception? I think he only got 36 for me :p. Poor helgrenze.

I'm putting this out there... The Seattle defense had better not score a gakload of points against the Broncos, as I'm taking the "risk" of benching them in favor of the Eagles' defense who are taking on an RG3-less Redskins.

Cousins put up what 35 points last week in relief? Good luck with that :p

I'm gonna laugh when the Seahawks 3peat the doncos with another 40something to 10ish game like their last 2.

 TheMeanDM wrote:

Your speaking my language...

 Byte wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:

Your speaking my language...

Don't forget...

Sweep the leg!

Cousins is a better QB than RG-Knee Problem. I wouldn't put the Eagles D in.

RG3 terribad and not just because he's injury prone.

 Byte wrote:
RG3 terribad and not just because he's injury prone.

Glad the RAMs traded that 2nd round then.

 cincydooley wrote:
Cousins is a better QB than RG-Knee Problem. I wouldn't put the Eagles D in.

Lol, when faced with either the Skins offense, or Peyton Manning it's a tough call... and all the "projections" show the Philly D outscoring Seattle's... hence why it's a tough call for me

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Cousins is a better QB than RG-Knee Problem. I wouldn't put the Eagles D in.

Lol, when faced with either the Skins offense, or Peyton Manning it's a tough call... and all the "projections" show the Philly D outscoring Seattle's... hence why it's a tough call for me

Come on ensis 40-10 and 43-8...... While it probably won't happen exactly that way again. As a pats fan I can tell you, once a defense is in manning a head its extremely hard for him to shake them.

GRRRR....

Seahawks v. Broncos....arguably the biggest afternoon game....super bowl rematch...

And what POS teams do they have on my CBS station?!?

Chiefs v Dolphins


GRRRRRR

Good luck to all the Dakka Leaguers.

My dumbass left doug martin as my flex.

gak.

 helgrenze wrote:
This is the play I mentioned above. Cox's hand is clearly at the top of the "2" on Gabbert's jersey, but the flag was thrown for a Horsecollar. Cox was later fined for a hit on Henne.

That's a good call, per the rule.

Article 15: Horse-Collar Tackle. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey
pads or jersey, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a
quarterback who is in the pocket.
Note: It is not necessary for a player to pull the runner completely to the ground in order for the act to be illegal. If his knees
are buckled by the action, it is a foul, even if the runner is not pulled completely to the ground.

H.well I'm pretty much out of both leagues. Fun fun, how I can get 34 pts from Julio and still probably lose is blowing my mind.

Are we going to be slugging it out for cellar dweller status, chance?

Hahahaha I love that gif, it doesn't show it but the ref was SO confused and didn't know wtf to do, and Yah definitely me and you Mano a Mano. About to go 0-3 almost for sure haha. And when the season started I thought my team was STACKED lol.

Jay Cutler for MVP

Philly/Wash game is looking more like Blood Bowl. 6 players out, 4 to injuries, 2 ejections.

Chance, DUDE... even your bench did bad. I cannot believe Jones is your only double digit.

I snagged Cousins in 2 leagues ... started him in neither. 27.5 in one league - 60 in the high performance league!

Ugh.

 SavageRobby wrote:

I snagged Cousins in 2 leagues ... started him in neither. 27.5 in one league - 60 in the high performance league!

Ugh.

Alas, he is also on my bench.

 helgrenze wrote:
Philly/Wash game is looking more like Blood Bowl. 6 players out, 4 to injuries, 2 ejections.

Chance, DUDE... even your bench did bad. I cannot believe Jones is your only double digit.

Yah this was the most insane week of fantasy I've had in a while. Did good so far in pickem but man was my fantasy teams garbage.

So, it looks as though I had the wrong defense in for my non-Dakka league... STL put up 21 points to BUFs 14 for me.

Ohh well, it would appear to not matter all that much.

 helgrenze wrote:
Philly/Wash game is looking more like Blood Bowl. 6 players out, 4 to injuries, 2 ejections.

I don't like the call on the Foles hit...



...but given the aftermath it was probably necessary. I mean, you can see the ball carrier (Breeland, 26) in the same frame, so it seems like a clean block on a fire play.

Got to keep your head on a swivel as the QB....

I mean, it was a *legal* hit in my opinion.

Chest high, head up, lead with the shoulder.

He was moving to intercept the ball carrier, even if he was jogging and the play nearly over....the intent was still there.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Got to keep your head on a swivel as the QB....

I mean, it was a *legal* hit in my opinion.

Chest high, head up, lead with the shoulder.

He was moving to intercept the ball carrier, even if he was jogging and the play nearly over....the intent was still there.

I agree, though I'm glad he wasn't hurt.

The ejection is a bit of overkill for sure... give Baker a personal foul if you want to prove a point.

I hope Russell Okung is only out for one game. :(

Did Larry Fitzgerald sleep in today?

Did he not board the team bus?

Is he dead?

WTF?!?


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OMFG....I post that and find out....

34 Rec Yds, 1 Fum Lost, 3 Rec

Just my luck.....I swear...

 Breotan wrote:
I hope Russell Okung is only out for one game. :(

Seems like it was only a little bruising, and I actually like their depth at tackle at the moment.

Anyway, this game was vastly more entertaining than the Superb Owl, and I really think there's so little separating them that it's going to come down to the wire once more if Seattle and Denver meet again in February. Denver's defense made a stand, then Seattle's defense made a stand, then Denver's offense drove down the field like an unstoppable juggernaut, then Seattle's defense drove down the field like an unstoppable juggernaut. Brilliant game, got my heart racing and my jersey stripped off in excitement.

 Breotan wrote:
I hope Russell Okung is only out for one game. :(

Seems like it was "only" a sprain/strain of the arm/shoulder area, as they taped it up and he went back in.

That game was too close for my comfort though... But it just goes to show how a fluke INT, and a great defensive series can really change the entire flow of a game.


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Also... Seems like I was smart to bench the SEA Defense this week, as of the most current tally (barring any statistical corrections), the Eagles D outscored Seattle by 1 for the Dakka league

You, sir, are CRUSHING me.

Man, watching that 4th quarter comeback by Denver really stressed me out. Glad to see the Hawks put it in the bag in OT but a little disappointed that it had to come to that, what with their lead at halftime.

Seattle needs to shape up. 17 points for Denver in one quarter is bad.

Dude...its Denver.

Its Manning.

They have SO MANY offensive weapons that even as a diehard Seattle fan I think holding them to 17 was a victory un and of itself. That team can explode on anybody at anytime...

I think we got a little lucky...they definitely stepped upand made a lot of improvement this off season.


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Ooohhh....ouch....

Just saw Ike Taylor's forearm get crushed by his teammate flying in to assist with a tackle.

Could see it "flex" and look a bit..err..a lot...rubbery.

Poor guy.

Goddamnit!!! I changed my pick to Pittsburgh and must have forgot to save. At least you all picked Carolina as well;p


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Also who is "damn you confidence points"?

On the Foles hit....
NFL Rulebook, Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9. There is no debate to be had here. Nick Foles is a quarterback. There was a change in position (that would later be overturned). By strict definition alone, Foles was a player in a defenseless posture.
NFL Rule book Link

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.....
(7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession.

 helgrenze wrote:
On the Foles hit....
NFL Rulebook, Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9. There is no debate to be had here. Nick Foles is a quarterback. There was a change in position (that would later be overturned). By strict definition alone, Foles was a player in a defenseless posture.
NFL Rule book Link

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.....
(7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession.

The question then becomes whether or not the contact was necessary. In my view it was.

I didn't think it was a dirty hit the first time I watched it. The second time, from a wider angle, it was pretty clear that:
a) Foles wasn't actively attempting to get to the play
b) the hit was late in the play
c) the hit was pretty brutal


Anyone notice Drew Brees get all pissy about getting hit yesterday? I bet Brett Favre is laughing his ass off somewhere.
"How's it feel, little man?"

 SavageRobby wrote:


c) the hit was pretty brutal

Don't like the heat? Get the feth out of the kitchen!


Sorry mate, but just because a hit is brutal doesn't make it automatically bad... I know Roger Goodell is trying to turn the NFL into the NFFL by making EVERYTHING softer, but this is still football. Hard hits are part of the game.

Now the hit on the Cardinals' QB, while he was sliding was both brutal AND illegal... the more important thing there, was that it was already illegal. It wasn't penalized because it was a brutal hit. It was penalized because a defensive player struck a "defenseless" player, as in he was sliding and therefore giving himself up on the play, and as such cannot be touched. At the same time though, I can't recall how many times I've seen a player slide, be hit pretty hard and NOT draw a penalty, simply because the defensive player "couldn't alter his path" which is total BS, given the many more times you see a QB slide and NOT get hit due to players leaping over him, or dodging around, etc.

 SavageRobby wrote:

a) Foles wasn't actively attempting to get to the play

He was in what is called the cutback, or bounce, lane.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Don't like the heat? Get the feth out of the kitchen!

Such an eloquent argument for, you know, anything.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Sorry mate, but just because a hit is brutal doesn't make it automatically bad... I know Roger Goodell is trying to turn the NFL into the NFFL by making EVERYTHING softer, but this is still football. Hard hits are part of the game.

I agree, brutal != bad. And I see a lot of brutal hits that are flagged that shouldn't be (especially in the secondary, but that's a different story). But brutal, late and unnecessary - plus a quarterback - all combine to make it a penalty. I didn't think it was, say, ejection worthy (or brawl worthy), but it was certainly was flag worthy.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Now the hit on the Cardinals' QB, while he was sliding was both brutal AND illegal... the more important thing there, was that it was already illegal.

I'm not convinced, particularly given that 89 pulls up in order to, presumably, leverage the QB shield.

I'm sure Uncle Rog will handle these issues with his usual fairness and consistency.

 gorgon wrote:
I'm sure Uncle Rog will handle these issues with his usual fairness and consistency.

Busted.

This, to me, was the worst of the weekend, and no one is talking about it.




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That is of course on top of the egregiously missed offsides penalty...

Chancetragedy wrote:

Also who is "damn you confidence points"?

That would be me, it's just a joke because last time we used them I really messed up the points but my general record was better

 cincydooley wrote:
This, to me, was the worst of the weekend, and no one is talking about it.

That was such a good play. Interception, return for 50 or so yards, atomize an oblivious Wes Welker in the process.

That is of course on top of the egregiously missed offsides penalty...

Probably offset by the reversed turnover.

Seeing as how there were no incorrect reversals of a turnover, that can't be the case.

 dogma wrote:

I'm not convinced, particularly given that 89 pulls up in order to, presumably, leverage the QB shield.

Looks to me like he pulled up because he's asking to ride the pine this week Seriously, to me it looks like he either gave up/wasn't trying to block the defender any more, or got beat by the defender and so he gave up on the play.

 cincydooley wrote:
Seeing as how there were no incorrect reversals of a turnover, that can't be the case.

Looked about as incorrect as the offside call (or lack of) to me.

 iproxtaco wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Seeing as how there were no incorrect reversals of a turnover, that can't be the case.

Looked about as incorrect as the offside call (or lack of) to me.

Are you referring to the Wilson "fumble"?? IF so, IMO, DeMarcus Ware should have gotten a delay of game penalty for that crap.... Seriously, when an official is hitting you, and has told you several times to get up, you get up.... again, just my own opinion on that "non-call"

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 iproxtaco wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Seeing as how there were no incorrect reversals of a turnover, that can't be the case.

Looked about as incorrect as the offside call (or lack of) to me.

Are you referring to the Wilson "fumble"?? IF so, IMO, DeMarcus Ware should have gotten a delay of game penalty for that crap.... Seriously, when an official is hitting you, and has told you several times to get up, you get up.... again, just my own opinion on that "non-call"

I thought that was borderline ridiculous as well, from both teams.

I was referring to the play where Julius Thomas caught the pass but had it knocked from his hands by Earl Thomas and recovered by (I think) OLB K.J Wright. It was ruled a turnover on the field but reversed after review, on the basis of Julius Thomas not having made a football movement after catching the ball, thus meaning it was just an incomplete pass. I don't know what else Julius Thomas could have done to constitute him making a football move other than scoring a touchdown.

 iproxtaco wrote:

I was referring to the play where Julius Thomas caught the pass but had it knocked from his hands by Earl Thomas and recovered by (I think) OLB K.J Wright. It was ruled a turnover on the field but reversed after review, on the basis of Julius Thomas not having made a football movement after catching the ball, thus meaning it was just an incomplete pass. I don't know what else Julius Thomas could have done to constitute him making a football move other than continuing to run down field.

Ahh, yeah... I actually agree that that was a good call. He was unable to make a "football move" due to the tackle beginning basically while he was in the air. Personally, I do think it's a bit ridiculous that a guy has to do "something" in order to show he had possession of the ball. IIRC, JT fumbled because he caught it, and was trying to switch hands while in contact, which IMO should constitute a "football move" and have been a fumble. But as the rules are now, it was a good non-turnover.

 SavageRobby wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I'm sure Uncle Rog will handle these issues with his usual fairness and consistency.

Busted.

Crap.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Got to keep your head on a swivel as the QB....

I mean, it was a *legal* hit in my opinion.

Chest high, head up, lead with the shoulder.

He was moving to intercept the ball carrier, even if he was jogging and the play nearly over....the intent was still there.

I agree, though I'm glad he wasn't hurt.

The ejection is a bit of overkill for sure... give Baker a personal foul if you want to prove a point.

The ejection was for the aftermath. He can be seen pulling J. Peters by the facemask. Takes 2 to fight, and they both got ejected.

I figured you were referencing the Thomas fumble. It wasn't even close. In no situation was he making a "football move". He hadn't even secured the ball.

The way the rules are written, that was absolutely the right call, and it's been called like that consistently since the rule was enacted. The typical football move in that Instance is either securing the ball or turning upfield, of which he did neither.

It's the same reason a runner has to secure a catch and compete the catch through hitting the ground for it to be a touchdown.


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Though, to be fair, I think the endzone touchdown rules borderline hilariously inconsistent.

The burden to secure a touchdown catch is so ridiculously higher than a run it's absurd.

I think you should be required to have possession in the endzone In order for it to be a Score. Ensis, I imagine you'll agree with me here, but if rugby tri possession rules were in effect for football, I think it would be for the better.

Additionally, I think the NFL would eliminate a considerable # of injuries if they adopted rugby rules for tackling. Make them wrap. Get rid of these guys tucking their arms and turning themselves into human projectiles.

I just wanna throw my hat in the ring about the officiating.

If you can, watch the RAMS vs COWGIRLS game last weekend.

There were 119 yards worth of penalties against the RAMS and the COWGIRLS only had 15 yards. Opposing teams have been called only once for offensive holding against the Rams all season.

I'm not a big conspiracy nutter ( ), but damn this looks like the league wants the RAMS to move to LA. o.O

EDIT: Here's an example of a NON-holding call...
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000397970/Romo-connects-with-Dez-Bryant-for-a-68-yard-touchdown

Pause it at 50 and 51 seconds

 cincydooley wrote:


I think you should be required to have possession in the endzone In order for it to be a Score. Ensis, I imagine you'll agree with me here, but if rugby tri possession rules were in effect for football, I think it would be for the better.

Additionally, I think the NFL would eliminate a considerable # of injuries if they adopted rugby rules for tackling. Make them wrap. Get rid of these guys tucking their arms and turning themselves into human projectiles.

Ohh, you mean where a "touchdown" means you actually have to TOUCH the ball DOWN in the endzone!? hell yeah... It does get a bit convoluted though, because in rugby the rule is generally a downward pressure on the ball by the hand/arm of the offensive player (or grounded to the padding of the goal posts, but the NFL doesn't have that issue any more), so you occasionally see the TMO make some confusing calls on replay in the event of an "iffy" try.


Also, while I know Pete Carroll and Seattle have instituted more of a rugby style to their tackling, and I think it really does show, aside from the SD game. But yes, I DEFINITELY think that if NFL players were, by rule, forced to wrap their arms around the ball carrier, it would bring some more safety into the game for everyone.

ESPN suspended Bill Simmons for three weeks for going off on Roger Goddell in Simmons' podcast, among other things repeatedly calling him a liar. (And who doesn't actually believe Goddell has been lying his ass off?) Their reason was that he violated "journalistic standards".

This is the same network that employs Skip Bayless, and up until recently, Stephan A Smith.

And the kicker - three weeks is more than Ray Rice's initial suspension!

 SavageRobby wrote:

ESPN suspended Bill Simmons for three weeks for going off on Roger Goddell in Simmons' podcast, among other things repeatedly calling him a liar. (And who doesn't actually believe Goddell has been lying his ass off?) Their reason was that he violated "journalistic standards".

This is the same network that employs Skip Bayless, and up until recently, Stephan A Smith.

And the kicker - three weeks is more than Ray Rice's initial suspension!

There are a whole host of issues with ESPN's employees... I've an ex-GF who worked there, and was one of the "key elements" in that baseball analyst cheating scandal a few years back... There's all kinds of crap out there about Kirk Herbstreit (or however his name is spelled) having herpes and deliberately "passing it on" to women, though I obviously have no way of backing that one up.

The same network that, from everything I can tell, pays absolute Gak money for EVERYONE, unless of course their name is Chris Berman or Tom Jackson or the like (as in, the "top" one or two hosts for their marquee shows like NFL Sunday, NBA whatever it is, or their NCAA College Football Gameday on Saturdays.

Lol what did Simmons think was gonna happen after that tirade.

Also does anyone know if Derek Carr wears eye liner? This is a totally serious question. Watching him playing the patriots this past weekend I could swear he was wearing eye liner and I wasn't the only one.

Grantland is typically the place where better journalists that work for ESPN have had a little more freedom in what they say.

That line is apparently drawn at Goddell and the NFL.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised Jalen Rose hasn't been suspended before, too. I love him, he's fantastic but he's said some socially unpopular things before like Stephen A.

Giants...complete BEAT DOWN

That's all these Thursday games are. One team seems prepared and the other like they just rolled out of bed. Thursday night games suck and I'm done watching them unless it involves the patriots or thanksgiving.

Apparently Washington forgot how to defend seam routes.

Chancetragedy wrote:
thanksgiving.

This right here should be the ONLY time that there's NFL football on a Thursday night. PERIOD.

I agree ensis. I'm so sick of non Sunday football. I don't even really like MNF but it's such a tradition at this point no use in getting annoyed.

I much prefer college games on Thursday nights. There was a decent one last night, in fact. Much better than the NFL game, of which I think I was engaged with for about 10 minutes. Which was 5 minutes longer, apparently, than Washington.

Well that sucks. Apparently I forgot to save my confidence points so I zero'd out all my 1 o'clock games. So hopefully you all lose your picks :p

Looks like whoever has the Houston Defense, or Green Bay defense will have a good day in fantasy leagues

Wow could the steelers have choked any harder? Lol.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Well that sucks. Apparently I forgot to save my confidence points so I zero'd out all my 1 o'clock games. So hopefully you all lose your picks :p

See that... sucks man.

 Byte wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Well that sucks. Apparently I forgot to save my confidence points so I zero'd out all my 1 o'clock games. So hopefully you all lose your picks :p

See that... sucks man.

Oh well that's my fantasy season in a nutshell. Win the pickem lose the ffl horribly. Lose the pickem maybe win a game lol.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Looks like whoever has the Houston Defense, or Green Bay defense will have a good day in fantasy leagues

This might be the only time is say this, but yay Houston!

*edited because words are hard.

 IAmTheWalrus wrote:

 helgrenze wrote:
Hey... at least they are calling it equal. that's a start.

Calling it equally badly... hooray.

Also, good luck this week Kronk. Should be a hell of a game.

Thanks! Sorry man. Haven't been around much lately.

I do enjoy the league!

What a kick in the balls this game is ;(

Chancetragedy wrote:
What a kick in the balls this game is ;(

Looking forward to see who Brady throws under the bus for this one.

POINTS?!? What are those, I had forgot ;p

Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!

And I am quite surprised by KC....either NE is making them look really good....or.....KC really is this good....they'do seem a bit Jeckyl/Hyde-ish.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!

Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)

@mean the pats just aren't very good this year. Their lines don't have talent, bellichik the GM face fethed bellichik the coach by releasing tommy kelly and trading mankins. Brady is shook because he has gotten destroyed the first 4 games.

@ensis what a dick comment.

This has been an interesting season for the Packers - so far the only time I've been able to watch them is the last half of the Jets game and the last half of the Bears game; so I am starting to think I have the shining or something.

I'm going to be able to catch the entire Minnesota game, and I have a feeling it's going to be rough on them.

Chancetragedy wrote:


@ensis what a dick comment.

Lol, I am part trash talking (I really, REALLY dont like Brady... ever since the "tuck rule") but, judging from the comments by the announcers, if this Pats team will be successful AT ALL this season, it is going to be defensively. This isn't the high powered, "Greatest Show on Turf" style of offense that is going to put NBA type numbers on the score board. And judging by him throwing two picks, he's not really seeing the field or something as well as he has in the past. This could be the O-line, the receivers, or just the Defenses they've faced thus far this season being better than him, when they play him (I won't say that they ARE better than him... just that whole "any given sunday" type of thing)

Edit:the pats sucked tonight and I look like a baby for tryong to argue anything.


I won my first FFL game weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fml

I find the lack of Bengals discussion disturbing...

...considering their defense is lights out and are one of two undefeated teams so far.

I think the big thing for the bengals is they have looked good before only to come unravelled at some point. We'll see if they can keep it up then win their first playoff game in forever then we start talking about how they are the class of the AFC north now.

I will say their drafting has been like unbelievably good the past few years.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

This could be the O-line, the receivers, or just the Defenses they've faced thus far this season being better than him, when they play him (I won't say that they ARE better than him... just that whole "any given sunday" type of thing)

I think its one of those "all of the above" situations in which a dominant team is simply not able to stay on top due to its central figures leaving or aging. Thankfully Garoppolo shows some promise, though that promise was showed playing in the OVC.

Well it looks like whomever plays against my fantasy team will have their best week ever....seems to be the trend.

Thank god we aren't in the "tattoo" league...

 TheMeanDM wrote:


Thank god we aren't in the "tattoo" league...

Ohh man... how would we even enforce such a thing in the Dakka League??? Although, if we did... I'd be proud to wear a Kronk designed tattoo (as he's currently sitting in first)

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Well it looks like whomever plays against my fantasy team will have their best week ever....seems to be the trend.

Thank god we aren't in the "tattoo" league...

hey I dont have any tattoo's yet, a FF one would be perfect

Looking at my FFL matchups this coming week, and it looks like, as things stand right now, my matchup with the "Fumblers" will be very, very close.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:


Thank god we aren't in the "tattoo" league...

Ohh man... how would we even enforce such a thing in the Dakka League??? Although, if we did... I'd be proud to wear a Kronk designed tattoo (as he's currently sitting in first)

It would have to not be about enforcement, but willingness. I'd be down for a tattoo league :p. With a few small stipulations.

Chancetragedy wrote:

It would have to not be about enforcement, but willingness. I'd be down for a tattoo league :p. With a few small stipulations.

Agreed. For instance, for me, and my financial situation, it'd have to be a pay to play FFL, and "winnings" go to the loser to pay for the tattoo (as in, however much money the total pot is, is how much the tattoo is to cost )

 Bromsy wrote:
This has been an interesting season for the Packers - so far the only time I've been able to watch them is the last half of the Jets game and the last half of the Bears game; so I am starting to think I have the shining or something.

I'm going to be able to catch the entire Minnesota game, and I have a feeling it's going to be rough on them.

see the second half of the Bears was an absolute travesty (from a Bears fans' perspective)
We just melted but two penalties seriously killed us along with micah "Lets just block cameras" Hyde not giving a fair review for Bennets TD that wasn't given.
The two penalties was when Lacy was tackled for a loss by DJ Williams who got flagged for "Piling On" Complete BS call as was the holding call on Jon Bostic on a FG attempt which gave Rodgers 1st & Goal at the 3. Both those drives sustained by the BS penalties gave GB 11 extra points along with the non TD would have left it 27-24 in favour of GB so Chicago wouldn't have ran out the clock at the bottom of the fourth

NFL needs to cease and desist showing these so-called Thursday night "games".

35-0 and just going to get worse from there. I bet they 50 point them....


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At least Oregon vs Arizona could prove to be interesting.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
NFL needs to cease and desist showing these so-called Thursday night "games".

35-0 and just going to get worse from there. I bet they 50 point them....


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At least Oregon vs Arizona could prove to be interesting.

Yep, pathetic! 50 burger on the way!

As a Denver fan all I can say is... wait, what???

These ref's in the pats vs bengals game are atrocious.

Some surprises today!

Are we back to "Who Dat?" bag over the head this year?!? I mean...really? Losing to Tampa Bay?!

And color me surprised to see Buffalo top Detroit...did NOT think that was coming, especially with Orton!

I still cannot believe that Detroit vs buffalo game. But what are on about with New Orleans? You know they won right;p

Also ensis where all the crap talk about the pats now? HUH? HUH? I can't wait till the Seahawks take a single bad loss I'm gonna rag you the entire week about it. ;p

Edit:also to think if I had just saved my 1 o'clock games last week to think about how far ahead of you all I'd be in the pickem makes me sad ;(