John Fox is Chicago's new head coach, press conference is scheduled to be on Monday giving the Bears time to finalise assistants, Kyle Shannahan is believed to become the OC as well
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote: John Fox is Chicago's new head coach, press conference is scheduled to be on Monday giving the Bears time to finalise assistants, Kyle Shannahan is believed to become the OC as well
Dammit... I wanted Kyle Shannahan for the RAMs OC.
Chancetragedy wrote: Lol! 4 guys have been arrested like 20 minutes from me for counterfeit AFCC game tickets, whoops!
Also I officially haven't listened to sports radio for 3 days and counting because of the attitude by the hosts about this game. So many people saying pats gonna win big and can't lose its freaking me out. How can you say a team can't lose in an AFCC? Jesus guys get your heads out your anuses!
It's easy to know if the Pat will win.
Do they have walkthru film of their opponent? Then YES!
If not, flip a coin.
/sarcasm
Go COLTS!
Haha jerk :p I'm finding it so hard to hate these colts though. With the exception of Sergio Brown, again I can't imagine this game is going to be anything but a slugfest heart attack inducer like last and hopefully in 2 weeks are/were.
Chancetragedy wrote: Lol! 4 guys have been arrested like 20 minutes from me for counterfeit AFCC game tickets, whoops!
Also I officially haven't listened to sports radio for 3 days and counting because of the attitude by the hosts about this game. So many people saying pats gonna win big and can't lose its freaking me out. How can you say a team can't lose in an AFCC? Jesus guys get your heads out your anuses!
It's easy to know if the Pat will win.
Do they have walkthru film of their opponent? Then YES!
If not, flip a coin.
/sarcasm
Go COLTS!
Haha jerk :p I'm finding it so hard to hate these colts though. With the exception of Sergio Brown, again I can't imagine this game is going to be anything but a slugfest heart attack inducer like last and hopefully in 2 weeks are/were.
To be honest, the Colts don't stand a chance against the Patsy.
Haha well yah there is the neck beard I'd like to Colombian necktie off his head. But seriously how can you not like the guy outside of that? Is it because everyone thinks he's better than a certain other QB?
IMO, the offensive lines are moving far, far too much these days for me, and the officiating has definitely gotten more lax on holding calls on the offensive lines.... they seem to never call it when it "doesnt matter" but as soon as its potentially game changing, they pull the flags out for the most minor infraction.
This is reaching back a couple days, but I agree. When I played D-Line that amount of movement would have been a nightmare, especially the movement of the center with respect to the ball; you don't need that much to call out blocking schemes.
As to the holding, I also agree: the attitude of not calling it when it "doesn't matter" often leads to failing to call it when it actually does. Its part of that stupid "We don't want to determine the result of a game." mentality, which really needs to die. Not only because officials regularly do exactly that, but because they enforce the rules which define the game.
Chancetragedy wrote: Haha well yah there is the neck beard I'd like to Colombian necktie off his head. But seriously how can you not like the guy outside of that? Is it because everyone thinks he's better than a certain other QB?
Lol, very shallow of me, I know... but it really is just his damn face... there's only been a few people I've ever seen who I've felt had a face "asking" to be punched
And it's not that I don't like the guy... he's obviously a great QB and does very well by his teammates, I just don't like that face he's got
Even though my beloved Panthers lost to them last week, I still think the Seahawks are going to win it all. Green Bay with a hobbled Aaron Rodgers is not good.
Chancetragedy wrote: Also I guess this was pretty unceremonious but congrats on winning the DAKKADAKKA pickem league byte. I think mathematically nobody can catch you.
And people need to stop saying that crap ;0 it's a TRAP!
Thanks.
I think I have to get one pick right this week to clinch the bye.
Also, thanks for putting this stuff together each year. I have a lot of fun with the DAKKA leagues. The scoring system is so different from my ESPN leagues that it forces me to stay on my toes!
Ugh I might give myself ulcers over tomorrow's game. I don't think I've wanted my team to win a game this bad since '07. I have a bad feeling about the game though and I can't shake it.
Theres just something about it. With the Richardson, Xavier Nixon, and the rape stuff from earlier in the week. Everyone picking the patriots it just all leads me to fearing the colts because they have nothing to lose and the pressure is clearly on the pats. If they win "yah great of course they won they were supposed to win" if they lose "what choke artists they are."
Oh well that's what makes sports so awesome I guess haha. If they win what a great day Monday is If not well life goes on!
Well you know the Belichick's approach. Take away the primary weapon or asset, thats Luck, expect tight man to man and disguised pass rush. Indy is walking into a buzzsaw.
God I hope so! So apparently the colts landed in the small airport in my town. Now to figure out what hotel their at so I can give them a nice warm welcome from ensis!
Chancetragedy wrote: God I hope so! So apparently the colts landed in the small airport in my town. Now to figure out what hotel their at so I can give them a nice warm welcome from ensis!
lol.. I'm just excited at green bay coming into "our" house to get their whoopin' on. Ohh, and the weather forecast is calling for typical Washington weather
Chancetragedy wrote: God I hope so! So apparently the colts landed in the small airport in my town. Now to figure out what hotel their at so I can give them a nice warm welcome from ensis!
lol.. I'm just excited at green bay coming into "our" house to get their whoopin' on. Ohh, and the weather forecast is calling for typical Washington weather
That the Seahawks held it together and were able to come back after that total domination by Green Bay shows you they're a legit Super Bowl team. Lots of Packers fans angry with their coach right now. Apparently the view is that playing it safe is what allowed the Hawks to rally.
Breotan wrote: That the Seahawks held it together and were able to come back after that total domination by Green Bay shows you they're a legit Super Bowl team. Lots of Packers fans angry with their coach right now. Apparently the view is that playing it safe is what allowed the Hawks to rally.
The NFCC was quite honestly heartbreaking! I feel gutted and empty right now...I was so angry from the dropped onside to the coin flip and then from the OT touchdown for the next 30 minutes I was silent.
That was rough. And I live in MN, where they seem to take greater joy in the Packers losing than the Vikings winning; so everyone I work with felt the need to rub it in.
Im so excited for this game. These teams are so similar in how they got to the Super Bowl it's crazy. 3rd time since the merger both number 1 seeds advance to the Super Bowl. Brady vs the LoB/Wilson, Revis or Sherman, Pete Carroll and bill bellichicks connection to Robert craft and the patriots. First time a team has a chance of repeating as champs since the patriots did it in '03/'04. Bellichick and Brady going for win #4. Just so many interesting story lines and the teams are pretty dang good and tough as nails.
This is such a joke. And everyone making a big deal of it are pathetic and will find any reason to hate a team. Under inflated balls have a negative effect on everything. Why do you think the NFL came down on the Vikings and panthers for warming up footballs during they're game? Where were you all during this? #sourgrapes
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000437309/article/nfl-to-remind-teams-not-to-warm-footballs
Besides who would have thought when the temperature drops 10 degrees during the game a football might lose some pressure naturally.
PATRIOTS ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE SO GIVE ME YOUR TEARS GYPSIES ;p
Edit:also I didn't realize under inflated footballs allowed the patriots to gash the colts running the football. Less psi must make the balls lighter and the running backs faster I guess?
You know, I've said this so many times but no one seems to agree for some reason.
A 3 game series will go a long way to removing the doubt from anyones mind.
I honestly don't know how you can expect a legitimate competition of skills to be conducted from one game. So many things can go wrong that determines so much. Ref's make bad calls. QB could slip on a vital play. Any number of things could take place that will steal a game away, and end someones season.
A three game series would eliminate that. So what if players have to play more then once a week in that case. In my eyes at least, it would just go and prove even more that the winning team is more deserving.
Besides who would have thought when the temperature drops 10 degrees during the game a football might lose some pressure naturally.
PATRIOTS ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE SO GIVE ME YOUR TEARS GYPSIES ;p
Edit:also I didn't realize under inflated footballs allowed the patriots to gash the colts running the football. Less psi must make the balls lighter and the running backs faster I guess?
Chance... yeah, I have sourgrapes over the Patriots win of the Rams in 2002. Will nevah forgive 'em for that.
But, the most damning, imo, was when backup Flutie in 2005 (I think...) picked up Brady's helmet and used it accidently. He realized that the OC was still talking after the 15 second mark.
In any event... I just want a good game and I'll be cheering on the Seachickens.
Yah also the teams do not have control of the balls after they submit them to the referees prior to the game. The home team has to provide 36 balls for outdoor, 24 for Indoors game and a pump. Then they submit them to the referees who hold onto them until they're turned over to the ball boys and such. This whole thing started by bob kravitz a INDY REPORTER. Sour grapes? Yup
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah also the teams do not have control of the balls after they submit them to the referees prior to the game. The home team has to provide 36 balls for outdoor, 24 for Indoors game and a pump. Then they submit them to the referees who hold onto them until they're turned over to the ball boys and such. This whole thing started by bob kravitz a INDY REPORTER. Sour grapes? Yup
Yeah. Every site I have seen this on all goes back to Kravitz's 3 tweets. Nothing official, just an Indy reporter making 3 tweets.
It's on NFL.com rivenskull. But I guarantee it's going to turn out exactly like "confusing formationgate" with nothing happening because it's a non issue that got blown up by a bitter colts reporter.
Chancetragedy wrote: It's on NFL.com rivenskull. But I guarantee it's going to turn out exactly like "confusing formationgate" with nothing happening because it's a non issue that got blown up by a bitter colts reporter.
The potential fallout is that NE could lose draft picks if they did break the rule
djones520 wrote: You know, I've said this so many times but no one seems to agree for some reason.
A 3 game series will go a long way to removing the doubt from anyones mind.
I honestly don't know how you can expect a legitimate competition of skills to be conducted from one game. So many things can go wrong that determines so much. Ref's make bad calls. QB could slip on a vital play. Any number of things could take place that will steal a game away, and end someones season.
A three game series would eliminate that. So what if players have to play more then once a week in that case. In my eyes at least, it would just go and prove even more that the winning team is more deserving.
Do you realize just how much punishment and damage a player's body goes through in a game? And you're asking them to potentially triple that, with LESS resting time?
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah also the teams do not have control of the balls after they submit them to the referees prior to the game.
That's false. The home team must submit a set of balls for inspection prior to the game, but they regain control after that.
djones520 wrote: So what if players have to play more then once a week in that case.
Have you ever played football? Like, really played, not Pop Warner or high school, but collegiate or above?
Playing a three game series where more than one game could be played in a week would be a physical nightmare. Hell, its already a nightmare in Union where people pull up because they generally lack pads.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah also the teams do not have control of the balls after they submit them to the referees prior to the game.
That's false. The home team must submit a set of balls for inspection prior to the game, but they regain control after that.
djones520 wrote: So what if players have to play more then once a week in that case.
Have you ever played football? Like, really played, not Pop Warner or high school, but collegiate or above?
Playing a three game series where more than one game could be played in a week would be a physical nightmare. Hell, its already a nightmare in Union where people pull up because they generally lack pads.
"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Since I still havent seen anything on it... Im beginning to wonder of the League saw Marshawn's little "gesture" when he crossed the goal line??
He has a history of doing that. I think they're trying to ignore it.
Everyone's too busy trying to bury the patriots to remember to hold it ;p
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also to bring some levity in this trying time of persecutio and holding of D'sn. This has been lost but big Vince wikfork helping out in a BIG way.
Finally made it onto NFL.com a few minutes ago but yah. No attention really.
Also ensis what's the word on Sherman and Thomas's injuries? I know they played the rest of the game and Sherman has a sprained elbow but is there any chatter about it?
Chancetragedy wrote: Finally made it onto NFL.com a few minutes ago but yah. No attention really.
Also ensis what's the word on Sherman and Thomas's injuries? I know they played the rest of the game and Sherman has a sprained elbow but is there any chatter about it?
My local TV news just teased the "Patriots cheating scandal" after the commercials. Good grief.
The Wilfork story just popped in the Yahoo tickler.
Yah apparently I can't even enjoy forums and sports talk anymore. Even after a win in which my team makes the Super Bowl and looks ridiculously good in doing so. All I get to hear about is wahwahwah think of the footballs. Deflating footballs"allegedly(the loosest definition of allegedly)" didn't affect the outcome of that game one iota. And it all just reeks of bitterness. I get it your team got blown out on the biggest stage that's rough. I sat through 18-1 I sat through a 16 point playoff collapse to Peyton manning, I've sat through a 96 Super Bowl that had our head coach checking out ahead of time. But let's not go this route Jesus. You know what's gonna happen when the NFL comes out and says the pats did nothing wrong? Nothing everyone is going to assume the team cheated lol. Can't win even if you win.
At least Brady gets respect. Flacco never does, or ever will. My team is the perennial underdog. At least the Pats are considered elite and get that respect.
The Ravens are treated like scrubs and get the "how cute, they're trying hard".
Byte wrote: At least Brady gets respect. Flacco never does, or ever will. My team is the perennial underdog. At least the Pats are considered elite and get that respect.
The Ravens are treated like scrubs and get the "how cute, they're trying hard".
You sure about that?
Not that he'd care... just look at his significant other and his bank account.
Byte wrote: At least Brady gets respect. Flacco never does, or ever will. My team is the perennial underdog. At least the Pats are considered elite and get that respect.
The Ravens are treated like scrubs and get the "how cute, they're trying hard".
You sure about that?
Not that he'd care... just look at his significant other and his bank account.
Also ensis what's the word on Sherman and Thomas's injuries? I know they played the rest of the game and Sherman has a sprained elbow but is there any chatter about it?
So far, both are being listed as 100% playing... Sherman did indeed sprain something in his arm/elbow area, while Thomas actually dislocated his shoulder. Thus far, he's had no issues with it since they reset it... so we're hoping that he'll be good to go
Why are you completely ignoring the part of the post where I said that already? you can selectively edit all you want but you clearly didn't read what I wrote...
djones520 wrote: You know, I've said this so many times but no one seems to agree for some reason.
A 3 game series will go a long way to removing the doubt from anyones mind.
I honestly don't know how you can expect a legitimate competition of skills to be conducted from one game. So many things can go wrong that determines so much. Ref's make bad calls. QB could slip on a vital play. Any number of things could take place that will steal a game away, and end someones season.
A three game series would eliminate that. So what if players have to play more then once a week in that case. In my eyes at least, it would just go and prove even more that the winning team is more deserving.
Do you realize just how much punishment and damage a player's body goes through in a game? And you're asking them to potentially triple that, with LESS resting time?
10 teeth to a speeding puck, back on the ice that game.
Hockey players take the punishment as well. Teams play 82+ games a season.
And I'm not making a "Hockey is better then Football" case here. I'm pointing out that saying physical punishment isn't a cop out. Big hits happen all the time in both sports that ruin peoples days.
We're talking determining who is the best in the league, and all post-season I've been hearing nothing but people scream about gak being stolen. It gets louder and louder every year. Well, if you want it fixed go for a change, get a true competition out of it.
The bottom line is that football is considerably more damaging than hockey. While hockey has more than a good amount of big hits, football players get hit every single play, and many of them (particularly linemen) lead these hits with their head, while hockey hits tend to lead with the shoulder.
Plus there are far far more hits in the NFL than in hockey. A quick bit of googling and statistics checking generally has football games running between 57 and 70 plays per game on average. In each play, you have multiple hits from the linemen, plus any other defense or tackles that occur. Now compare it to hockey in the same year (2014) and there is an average of 15 - 32 hits per game. Not even close to the same amount.
Chancetragedy wrote: Why are you completely ignoring the part of the post where I said that already? you can selectively edit all you want but you clearly didn't read what I wrote...
I'm not, and you didn't. I'm not selectively editing anything, the words I quoted are yours.
curran12 wrote: While hockey has more than a good amount of big hits, football players get hit every single play, and many of them (particularly linemen) lead these hits with their head, while hockey hits tend to lead with the shoulder.
The head is one of the three points of contact for defensive linemen, but they don't generally lead with it; that business is left to safeties, linebackers, and lead blockers.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah also the teams do not have control of the balls after they submit them to the referees prior to the game. The home team has to provide 36 balls for outdoor, 24 for Indoors game and a pump. Then they submit them to the referees who hold onto them until they're turned over to the ball boys and such. This whole thing started by bob kravitz a INDY REPORTER. Sour grapes? Yup
I bolded the part you selectively ignored dogma. So where again was I wrong? Your saying I said something I didn't by selectively choosing a single sentence out of context. If you follow what I actually said you would see I said "they don't have control, until turned over to the ball boys" to which the citation I made states right before game time. So I don't understand what your getting at I guess ;p
I bolded the part you selectively ignored dogma. So where again was I wrong? Your saying I said something I didn't by selectively choosing a single sentence out of context. If you follow what I actually said you would see I said "they don't have control, until turned over to the ball boys" to which the citation I made states right before game time. So I don't understand what your getting at I guess ;p
Okay so, in context, you're saying that the Patriots had the opportunity to deflate their balls?
No, because at that point everything is out in the open in the stadium and it would be extremely tough for them to hide something like that. Your not thinking things through, just gotta use your brain to like an adult(tough as that is)and you'll be fine dogma. Keep being angry and bitter because your team is crap, it's ok we are here for you.
Does this mean that the Patriots get disqualified, vacate their AFC Championship, thus giving the Seahawks the Superbowl win?? Or do they vacate the Championship, thus giving the Colts the opportunity to get turned into glue in the superbowl?
In all seriousness, this could be very easy to explain away. If they use an electronic pump then the pressure gauge could be off by 2 pounds (It's definitely in the realm of possibility, since a fuel station in Germany's air pumps were 3 pounds off, resulting in my having to set them 3-4 pounds higher than what I wanted to get the air I needed)... Or they have a very weak intern who pumps the balls up (as someone who has put air into footballs as well as rugby balls, I go by the "mantra" that if it's not as hard as a rock, it doesn't have enough air in it)
IMO it's not that the Colts deserve to be there, it's that cheating needs to have consequences. If you cheat you shouldn't get the illegitimate rewards, and having to watch the super bowl on tv certainly teaches them a lesson.
IMO it's not that the Colts deserve to be there, it's that cheating needs to have consequences. If you cheat you shouldn't get the illegitimate rewards, and having to watch the super bowl on tv certainly teaches them a lesson.
I agree, I just think that in the end the consequences are going to be fines and not loss of a Superbowl spot.
IMO it's not that the Colts deserve to be there, it's that cheating needs to have consequences. If you cheat you shouldn't get the illegitimate rewards, and having to watch the super bowl on tv certainly teaches them a lesson.
I agree, I just think that in the end the consequences are going to be fines and not loss of a Superbowl spot.
Fines and draft picks, IMO. Keep in mind that Robert Kraft is also one of the favored owners. Cripes, look at Spygate...for a documented pattern of cheating going back years and possibly affecting Super Bowl results, they got a slap on the wrist and quick destruction of all the evidence. Goodell has shown time and time again that he'd much rather make issues "go away" than truly confront them and punish teams, especially those involving the owners he's closest to. See Rice, Ray.
I really don't know what's worse in this case -- the sheer arrogance of the Patriots organization, or their utter lack of integrity. It's disgusting.
Wow... that's going to be an unfortunate storyline for the SB.
Why are we talking about vacating Patriot's AFC win? I thought the bylaws clearly spelled out the penalty... (fines and lost of draft picks if I remember right). Lemme see if I can find that rule.
They do Whembly. The vacating the win thing came from Wilbon and is now being parroted around the country by angry bitter people.
I will say this I don't really have a defense for this team anymore and will not be defending them against accusations of cheating. It's pretty clear they will attempt to gain any and all advantage they can. And you know what I think I'm pretty ok with that. This whole thing sucks and just puts an exclamation point on what I hate most about the 24 hour news cycle. There has been no confirmation of any of this(not that I'm defending they probably did do it). The whole thing sucks and really detracts from my experience as a fan(not really but kind of)
whembly wrote: Wow... that's going to be an unfortunate storyline for the SB.
Why are we talking about vacating Patriot's AFC win? I thought the bylaws clearly spelled out the penalty... (fines and lost of draft picks if I remember right). Lemme see if I can find that rule.
I made a half-arsed joke about it
@Chance... I honestly did not know Wilbon said it Though I agree with you on why this situation is so fethed up stupid and points out the worst aspects of 24 hour news
And honestly, as much as I HATE HATE HATE Brady, Belichick and the Patriots, I wouldn't want my Sehawks to face a lesser team in the SB... it just wouldn't have the same feeling when we crush the spirits of all the Brady fan-boys/girls
Chancetragedy wrote: They do Whembly. The vacating the win thing came from Wilbon and is now being parroted around the country by angry bitter people.
I will say this I don't really have a defense for this team anymore and will not be defending them against accusations of cheating. It's pretty clear they will attempt to gain any and all advantage they can. And you know what I think I'm pretty ok with that. This whole thing sucks and just puts an exclamation point on what I hate most about the 24 hour news cycle. There has been no confirmation of any of this(not that I'm defending they probably did do it). The whole thing sucks and really detracts from my experience as a fan(not really but kind of)
Hey man... coming from someone who absolutely hate the Patriots (stemming from spygate), I feel for you. I wanted to enjoy the SB for what it is and have a good game (and commercials!). But, now? ugh...
The sad thing is that the Patriots are a great team who don't need to push that envelope.
I mean... jesus, Brady with a healthy Gronk and Amendola (I still like that dude)... that's all she wrote!
Yah ensis I feel you. I always felt like it had to be Seahawks vs patriots that's the 2 best teams In the league and unlike the Broncos and Peyton the patriots aren't gonna choke on the moment and will actually make it a game. Can't wait till next Sunday!
And your post was clearly a joke, so don't think that comment was directed towards you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Secondary thought here. You would think for someone who is considered a genius bellichick would be better at cheating. This is the second time he's been caught for doing something every other franchise in the NFL does.
But because the new commish at the time had to make an example spygate happened so now anything the patriots will be under scrutiny(with good reason but still).
This article does a good job summing things up. Long story short, other NFL teams are very wary of the Patriots and have been for years. The article didn't even mention some of the "technical difficulties" shenanigans with headsets, etc. that go on when teams visit Foxboro.
Here's the thing -- given that the penalty will be a slap on the wrist, Belichick will just go right on cheating. He's all about cost-benefit analysis, and clearly cheating is worth it given the light penalties you suffer if you're caught.
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Chancetragedy wrote: They do Whembly. The vacating the win thing came from Wilbon and is now being parroted around the country by angry bitter people.
I will say this I don't really have a defense for this team anymore and will not be defending them against accusations of cheating. It's pretty clear they will attempt to gain any and all advantage they can. And you know what I think I'm pretty ok with that.
Well, it's pretty cool that you've declared that you could care less about integrity. I sure won't be making any Swap Shop transactions with you.
But.... how in the hell that would be an advantage for the Patriots? Don't both teams play the same batch of balls?
A little late: My understanding is that while both teams play with the same balls, a deflated ball has a benefit for a certain style of play. A deflated ball is easier to grip, which makes it easier for the receiver to catch. That means that it will be easier for both teams to catch the ball, but it will benefit a team that plays a passing offense more than it will a team that plays a rushing offense.
The downside is that a deflated ball behaves a little different when thrown, but if you know the ball is deflated you can adjust for that.
I haven't really followed college this year but what's so crazy about it? Besides maybe Jameis going #1 overall? Not being sarcastic generally interested because I'd be pumped if the patriots ended up with armstead.
Chancetragedy wrote: I haven't really followed college this year but what's so crazy about it? Besides maybe Jameis going #1 overall? Not being sarcastic generally interested because I'd be pumped if the patriots ended up with armstead.
It's just pretty basic mistakes, mariota falling to 18th to the chiefs (Who have alex smith & AJ mcCarron on the roster) past teams such as the Jets and the Titans, Raiders will more than likely go with an offensive pick, both Seattle and baltimore selecting RBs (Seattle even without Lynch have both Turbin and Michaels and Baltimore just signed Trestman as their OC as well as having forsett Pierce & potentially Rice) Lions selecting a DT, even assuming Suh does leave DB is still more of a pressing concern as is WR considering the injuries suffered and lack of production past Johnson &Tate, Bears selecting a 4-3 OLB despite just signing Vic Fangio (A 3-4 co-ordinater) Cardinals taking an ILB which isn't top of their propriety
Basically it boils down to lots of stupid errors which would be avoided with minimal research before writing.
I usually do in February/march,
Brooks has done stuff like this before, last year year he wrote about the benefits of the Bears drafting a guy because he fitted a Tampa 2 D scheme despite the Bears basically stopped using that scheme in 2012 moving to more of a cover 3 scheme
Chancetragedy wrote: I haven't really followed college this year but what's so crazy about it? Besides maybe Jameis going #1 overall? Not being sarcastic generally interested because I'd be pumped if the patriots ended up with armstead.
It's just pretty basic mistakes, mariota falling to 18th to the chiefs (Who have alex smith & AJ mcCarron on the roster) past teams such as the Jets and the Titans, Raiders will more than likely go with an offensive pick, both Seattle and baltimore selecting RBs (Seattle even without Lynch have both Turbin and Michaels and Baltimore just signed Trestman as their OC as well as having forsett Pierce & potentially Rice) Lions selecting a DT, even assuming Suh does leave DB is still more of a pressing concern as is WR considering the injuries suffered and lack of production past Johnson &Tate, Bears selecting a 4-3 OLB despite just signing Vic Fangio (A 3-4 co-ordinater) Cardinals taking an ILB which isn't top of their propriety
Basically it boils down to lots of stupid errors which would be avoided with minimal research before writing.
I don't agree with you. I mean, you're holding up Alex Smith as a reason why Reid wouldn't pull the trigger on Mariota? Um.
Sure, I don't *think* that the Steelers are going draft a DT #1. But then I didn't see ILB coming last year either. Sometimes teams feel that guys are too good to pass up. Fans and the media like to get locked into the idea of "having to get a [insert position] at #1," but generally speaking you don't go wrong drafting BPA. Besides, the "conventional wisdom" is mostly a fan/media creation this time of year without much basis in how the scouts and GMs really feel.
Look at the Rams last year. DL was a relative strength for them, but they drafted Aaron Donald from my alma mater and he ends up a defensive rookie of the year. (whembly, I told ya he was gonna be a really good one.)
I've been growing more and more distrusting of "conventional" draft wisdom as the years go on. It's a thing that people can latch on to to lambast draft decisions, but almost all the time the quality of a draft pick comes 2-3 years after the pick is made.
Chancetragedy wrote: I haven't really followed college this year but what's so crazy about it? Besides maybe Jameis going #1 overall? Not being sarcastic generally interested because I'd be pumped if the patriots ended up with armstead.
It's just pretty basic mistakes, mariota falling to 18th to the chiefs (Who have alex smith & AJ mcCarron on the roster) past teams such as the Jets and the Titans, Raiders will more than likely go with an offensive pick, both Seattle and baltimore selecting RBs (Seattle even without Lynch have both Turbin and Michaels and Baltimore just signed Trestman as their OC as well as having forsett Pierce & potentially Rice) Lions selecting a DT, even assuming Suh does leave DB is still more of a pressing concern as is WR considering the injuries suffered and lack of production past Johnson &Tate, Bears selecting a 4-3 OLB despite just signing Vic Fangio (A 3-4 co-ordinater) Cardinals taking an ILB which isn't top of their propriety
Basically it boils down to lots of stupid errors which would be avoided with minimal research before writing.
Yeah... I would seriously put money down that Winston gets picked sometime AFTER Mariota.
I'm sorry, but for all the BS talk about how Winston was a "leader" in that locker room, why was he not a captain of the team? Why did he completely choke, sorry, "beat himself" in the rose bowl? I know it was a "kid's mistake" but, why is he trying to steal crab legs from stores? Why is he wrapped up in allegations of sexual assault that get ruled a non-thing by a "judge" who just so happens to have gone to Florida State AND played football there AND is still a fairly "major" contributor to the booster/alumni programs?
Current rumors I've been seeing right now is that Chip Kelly wants Mariota, and is seemingly going to try "anything" to get him.... If he doesn't I would almost expect Mariota to be drafted by Tampa Bay, as his talent level and his obvious head skills (I mean the mental aspects of the QB game) set him well apart from most other QBs who could be coming out this year.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ohh... and the Seahawks take Todd Gurley so that ", the Georgia star could give Pete Carroll the power runner he covets to pound the ball between the tackles."
Umm... does this guy not see that the Hawks have Turbin AND Lynch? (Lynch is, IMO a bit more suspect, as he's in a contract year and will probably want a bit more coinage than he currently gets) I don't really see how you can get much more of a "power runner" than those guys, unless Jerome Bettis has a son coming out of college that is built the same way
So bellichick just had his press conference and basically threw Brady under the bus. Saying he had no idea about the psi of the footballs and to talk to Tom about it. Pretty surprised by that although I guarantee they've internally discussed their strategy for dealing with this.
That would be hilarious :p but idk, Brady's press conference has been moved from tomorrow to today at4. Wikfork and Dan connely's conferences were moved to tomorrow. so my guess is regardless of what happens this is wrapped up today.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thing is Bellichick specifically cited an example of if they fill the footballs to 12.5 and they drop to 12.3 that's not acceptable but if they fill them to 13.2-12.9 it wouldn't matter. So I'm wondering if mortenson reported 2 psi under and missed a decimal point so it should have been reported as .2 psi which I feel like changes everything IF and that's a big IF true.
Chancetragedy wrote: That would be hilarious :p but idk, Brady's press conference has been moved from tomorrow to today at4. Wikfork and Dan connely's conferences were moved to tomorrow. so my guess is regardless of what happens this is wrapped up today.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thing is Bellichick specifically cited an example of if they fill the footballs to 12.5 and they drop to 12.3 that's not acceptable but if they fill them to 13.2-12.9 it wouldn't matter. So I'm wondering if mortenson reported 2 psi under and missed a decimal point so it should have been reported as .2 psi which I feel like changes everything IF and that's a big IF true.
Our excuse? Is thank god the refs caught the fact the balls were deflated because after they fixed them Brady's number were almost twice as good in the second half as the first half.... So luckily the refs fixed our mistake!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also as much as I love the onion that was an extremely weak article Ahtman.
First off, Harbaugh says they didn't know anything about it and never got their hands on Patriot offensive balls during the game.
But think it through.
If the Ravens had suspicions before their game, they should talk to the refs, to get the balls checked during their game. This would probably be based on prior games versus the Patriots.
If they had suspicions after their game, they should talk to the league office at that time, because that gives them the very minuscule chance of having the league reverse the outcome of their game based on the supposed cheating.
What possible good (or bad) comes from telling the Colts to watch for it? Certainly nothing that benefits the Ravens. And, if the Colts had been warned ahead of time, why didn't they ask the refs to check for it throughout the game.
One thing that's bothering me about this whole thing - if this deflation makes a notable difference in the game - if it's something that these professional athletes can tell, then why didn't the refs, equally trained professionals used to interacting with the balls, notice it during the game.
Chancetragedy wrote: That would be hilarious :p but idk, Brady's press conference has been moved from tomorrow to today at4. Wikfork and Dan connely's conferences were moved to tomorrow. so my guess is regardless of what happens this is wrapped up today.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another thing is Bellichick specifically cited an example of if they fill the footballs to 12.5 and they drop to 12.3 that's not acceptable but if they fill them to 13.2-12.9 it wouldn't matter. So I'm wondering if mortenson reported 2 psi under and missed a decimal point so it should have been reported as .2 psi which I feel like changes everything IF and that's a big IF true.
But the team I follow has won two Lombardis since the Patriots' last SB victory, so it's really not that...
whembly wrote: fething love Aaron Donald... that kid is a beast inside.
Best thing about the kid is that he'll only work to get better.
curran12 wrote: I pity anyone who takes Winston, he has bust written all over him.
MANY more on-the-field questions about Mariota, though.
The offense is plays in is very goofy compared to what everyone other than the Eagles is running, making it very hard and scary to project how his game will translate. It's just a quick look and fire, never going through an NFL-style progression, and usually throwing to a wide-open target. His arm strength seems only adequate. Can he read defenses? Can he hang in the pocket and make NFL throws? Can he put the ball into very tiny NFL-style windows? Here's another one -- can he LEAD? Some people think the guy could be too quiet and reserved to be THE MAN for an NFL franchise. I can guaran-damn-tee you that most scouts think that Winston does all those things better right now.
Mariota runs that zone read stuff well, but most coaches aren't going to run any of that, especially after seeing what happened in DC. What scouts undoubtedly want is Winston on the field, but Mariota off the field.
Remember that the media mocks had Bridgewater #1 around this time last year, and look how that turned out.
MANY more on-the-field questions about Mariota, though.
The offense is plays in is very goofy compared to what everyone other than the Eagles is running, making it very hard and scary to project how his game will translate. It's just a quick look and fire, never going through an NFL-style progression, and usually throwing to a wide-open target. His arm strength seems only adequate. Can he read defenses? Can he hang in the pocket and make NFL throws? Can he put the ball into very tiny NFL-style windows? Here's another one -- can he LEAD? Some people think the guy could be too quiet and reserved to be THE MAN for an NFL franchise. I can guaran-damn-tee you that most scouts think that Winston does all those things better right now.
Mariota runs that zone read stuff well, but most coaches aren't going to run any of that, especially after seeing what happened in DC. What scouts undoubtedly want is Winston on the field, but Mariota off the field.
Remember that the media mocks had Bridgewater #1 around this time last year, and look how that turned out.
Really!? Every singly Oregon game that I watched this year, the commentators were always fawning and marvelling at out "NFL ready" Mariota is... He did go through read progressions, a lot. His accuracy, IMO can't really be questioned... I mean, all the dropped passes in the CFNC were right on the money, it was receivers simply dropping the ball. As I watched most of the Oregon games, I've personally seen him put the ball into some VERY tight coverages (the kind that make commentators get all excited as the ball is flying into it). That's not even taking into account that Mariota has learned what is essentially 2 separate offenses during his time at Oregon. Helfrich doesn't really run anything close to what Kelly did in his time.... Sure, you'll see similarities in the tempo and possibly formations, but they really are much more different offenses. Kelly didn't really run too much of that read option stuff... but then he also had De'Anthony Thomas and some other pretty decent running backs that allowed him to simply call designed runs more often than the zone read.
Personally, I think Mariota is more adaptable than some people give him credit for, and that he'll make a great QB in the NFL. I would honestly compare him to a Russell Wilson... A guy who can stand in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass, but who can also create significant problems with his feet if the passing game isn't coming right away. Mariota doesn't strike me as being "dumb" the way RG3 was his first couple years (I don't necessarily mean dumb, but c'mon... RG3 tried to treat it like he was still at Baylor, and diving instead of sliding, getting extra yards instead of getting out of bounds and physically protecting himself)
And answer me this... if Winston is such a "great leader" why was he not the captain of his team? It's a job/role the players vote on, so why wasn't he a captain? He clearly has some leadership issues and they are only exacerbated by his off-field antics.
MANY more on-the-field questions about Mariota, though.
The offense is plays in is very goofy compared to what everyone other than the Eagles is running, making it very hard and scary to project how his game will translate. It's just a quick look and fire, never going through an NFL-style progression, and usually throwing to a wide-open target. His arm strength seems only adequate. Can he read defenses? Can he hang in the pocket and make NFL throws? Can he put the ball into very tiny NFL-style windows? Here's another one -- can he LEAD? Some people think the guy could be too quiet and reserved to be THE MAN for an NFL franchise. I can guaran-damn-tee you that most scouts think that Winston does all those things better right now.
Mariota runs that zone read stuff well, but most coaches aren't going to run any of that, especially after seeing what happened in DC. What scouts undoubtedly want is Winston on the field, but Mariota off the field.
Remember that the media mocks had Bridgewater #1 around this time last year, and look how that turned out.
Really!? Every singly Oregon game that I watched this year, the commentators were always fawning and marvelling at out "NFL ready" Mariota is... He did go through read progressions, a lot. His accuracy, IMO can't really be questioned... I mean, all the dropped passes in the CFNC were right on the money, it was receivers simply dropping the ball. As I watched most of the Oregon games, I've personally seen him put the ball into some VERY tight coverages (the kind that make commentators get all excited as the ball is flying into it). That's not even taking into account that Mariota has learned what is essentially 2 separate offenses during his time at Oregon. Helfrich doesn't really run anything close to what Kelly did in his time.... Sure, you'll see similarities in the tempo and possibly formations, but they really are much more different offenses. Kelly didn't really run too much of that read option stuff... but then he also had De'Anthony Thomas and some other pretty decent running backs that allowed him to simply call designed runs more often than the zone read.
Personally, I think Mariota is more adaptable than some people give him credit for, and that he'll make a great QB in the NFL. I would honestly compare him to a Russell Wilson... A guy who can stand in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass, but who can also create significant problems with his feet if the passing game isn't coming right away. Mariota doesn't strike me as being "dumb" the way RG3 was his first couple years (I don't necessarily mean dumb, but c'mon... RG3 tried to treat it like he was still at Baylor, and diving instead of sliding, getting extra yards instead of getting out of bounds and physically protecting himself)
It's a *very* simplistic offense compared to an NFL offense. It has to be to be able to play at that pace. Same goes for progressions. You can't get to your 4th read if the ball has to be out in 2.5 seconds.
If you draft a guy #1 overall, you better damn well be sure, and I think the goofiness of the offense raises some doubts. Don't believe me?
There's one thing in Kiper's assessment that I agree with. But to be fair, I agree with it for basically ALL QBs coming out of college:
They need time under a wing to learn.
It's no wonder to me that a team will draft a guy like Ryan Leaf, expect him to start game 1 of his rookie season, know an entire 6" thick notebook of offensive plays, including all audible calls, checkdowns, hot routes, etc, AND how much bigger and faster the defenses are.
I personally think that this is one of the reasons why Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have done so well. They both had time beneath Favre and Bledsloe (respectively) to learn the games pace and nuances at the pro level.
That said, I am still of the opinion that Mariota is the better QB than Winston, and it may actually come down to their off-field issues that make or break where they fall in the draft.
Hahahaha wtf I can't even hate that your right. Look this whole situation sucks for the patriots and nothing anyone is gonna change the ignorant peoples opinion. So I've been trying to embrace the hate. Because the patriots clearly haven't done anything wrong and people are just being ignorant in their hate so it is what it is.
What exactly is the ignorant part of the hate, Chance?
I mean, it's obvious that something shady has happened. And in an organization as tightly and rigidly controlled as the Patriots (some of the spygate people have been quoted that nothing happens without Belicheck's say-so), the fact that neither the head coach nor the quarterback are owning up to it is telling. Brady is pretty condemning of himself, talking about how "12.5 psi is just how he likes it" and the following with "I can't feel the difference". Inconsistencies are plain as day and those need to be answered for.
That said, what should happen to the Patriots? That is more fluid and up for debate. Do I think they should vacate a win? Absolutely not. However, if a significant cover up or more facts come to light that seriously implicate Brady and/or Belicheck, I could see a suspension for the Super Bowl for them as within the realm of possibility. Given the Patriots' history of involvement in rather shady play, the NFL is likely looking to throw the book at them, too.
"The NFL has found that 11 of the New England Patriots' 12 game balls were inflated significantly below the NFL's requirements, league sources involved and familiar with the investigation of Sunday's AFC Championship Game told ESPN."
No that's proof the balls were found underinflated, what was the reason they were? Where's the proof the patriots did anything? Your making assumptions based on your want of the patriots to be guilty.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's only human we all do it so it's ok.
Chance... I think it's because they were caught cheating in the past... the most damning imo was the fact that the NFL destroyed the tapes. It must have been so egregious that it would be better to suffer the PR hit in destroying the evidence than to publically disclose the tape.
They lost the benefit of doubt and it'll never go away until Belicheck/Brady retires.
Chancetragedy wrote: No that's proof the balls were found underinflated, what was the reason they were? Where's the proof the patriots did anything? Your making assumptions based on your want of the patriots to be guilty.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's only human we all do it so it's ok.
Well, let's work through this one question at a time.
As for "why they were underinflated": The why of that comes down to ball grip and performance. An underinflated ball is easier to grip and grab. Given the conditions of the game, having an edge in grip certainly seems like an advantage. Now before I go on, I should note that I do not believe that the balls were why New England won. They crushed the Colts handily. That said, the "well we won anyway" defense is not really a solid when when facing these kinds of accusations. So to wrap this up, there is a distinct advantage to an interinflated ball for any player responsible for gripping or throwing the ball.
"Proof that the Patriots did anything": You're correct in that there is no smoking gun evidence that shows Brady/Belicheck/Bob the Equipment Guy deflating the balls after the NFL did the pre-game inspection. Not gonna argue that. However, this scenario does not favor the Patriots, as it tells the world that they do not monitor their checked equipment and that they allowed a third party to make an attempt at altering the game. That's not exactly a shining review of them either. Plus, I'd say it is a pretty hard story to swallow given that these balls are given by the Patriots to the NFL for pre-game inspection, then returned to the Patriots. Are you meaning to tell me that they someone managed to get through the Patriots to alter the balls? In a building full of Patriots personnel?
Absolutely that it is within the realm of possibility. But hardly anything approaching likely, imo. Of course an alternative is that some staffer wanted to help his team in a stealthy way. I could see that being the case (and again, a demonstration of the lack of control in the Pats, but hey), and in fact I'd be willing to put money on some guy falling on his sword for that reason. However way you slice it, though, the Patriots exhibited some kind of failing here. Either in lack of control if they truly didn't know what was going on (highly unlikely imo) or lack of adherence to NFL rules if it was found to be intentional. Neither of those things gets you off, however.
Finally "I just want them to be guilty": I have only stated the facts and inconsistencies. I think you're a little on the defensive here. However, the history of the Patriots, regardless of your opinion, has placed them under more scrutiny for this kind of behavior. Whether or not you think people will listen, the bottom line is that the Patriots have done this kind of shady dealing before, been found guilty of it and been punished for it. They exist under a microscope for this kind of thing. The saddest part of it all, for me anyway, is that they didn't need this nonsense. They are a great team. And it is a tragedy that, regardless of how this goes down, it is going to taint any legacy for this season.
That's exactly what I'm talking about! What happened till innocent till PROVEN guilty? Everyone WANTS the patriots to be guilty so they are projecting that.
Chancetragedy wrote: That's exactly what I'm talking about! What happened till innocent till PROVEN guilty? Everyone WANTS the patriots to be guilty so they are projecting that.
As we've kinda went through, the proof is there. The balls were altered after being given back to the Patriots before the game.
The action is no longer in question, now the question of the who/when/how often is left to be answered.
That's only proof that the balls were under regulation everything else is speculation until the NFL releases their review of the situation. There are a TON of reason that could be the case. But because of something that happened almost a decade ago everyone wants the pats to be guilty of something.
Chancetragedy wrote: That's only proof that the balls were under regulation everything else is speculation until the NFL releases their review of the situation. There are a TON of reason that could be the case. But because of something that happened almost a decade ago everyone wants the pats to be guilty of something.
You're correct in that so far all we know is that the balls were under-inflated. I think it is also a reasonable assumption that, given the conditions, the Patriots are responsible for it. Whether or not that was cheating, negligence or Equipment Bob thinking he is helping out is all up to debate, but let's focus on the facts. The fact is that the balls were regulation when given to the Patriots, and then all but 1 were not suggests a failing somewhere on the part of the Patriots.
As far as the whole Spygate thing, I have to disagree with you. The fact that it has happened before (shady behavior, for a nice catchall term) places the Patriots in a position where they are under increased scrutiny and should be there. It's the same case when someone is proven to use PEDs, or another team puts out a hit list ala the Saints. While the previous action should never impact a current case, what it DOES do is put those people to a higher standard. It puts them under a tighter watch. I would think that the Patriots, knowing they have been caught toeing the wrong side of the line before, would be exceptionally vigilant about any possibility that they might stray again. But, as we see in this case, that may not be the case.
Completely agree with most of that curran.
what would your opinion on everything be if the NFL comes out and attributes the under inflation to pumping the balls to 12.5 then having the weather drop them 1.5 psi over the course of 2 hours which has been proven to be what actually happens when you inflate a ball to 12.5psi at 72degrees then bring them into 45degree rainy conditions. If this ends up being the case do you think it changes anyone's opinion?
Chancetragedy wrote: Completely agree with most of that curran.
what would your opinion on everything be if the NFL comes out and attributes the under inflation to pumping the balls to 12.5 then having the weather drop them 1.5 psi over the course of 2 hours which has been proven to be what actually happens when you inflate a ball to 12.5psi at 72degrees then bring them into 45degree rainy conditions. If this ends up being the case do you think it changes anyone's opinion?
The issue with that is the comparison to the balls provided by the Colts. Remember that each team provides balls that are used by its offense. Pats use Pats balls, Colts use Colts balls. Both teams provide those balls for inspection. While 11 of the 12 Patriots balls came back underinflated, none of the Colts balls did as far as I know (more details pending in the report, perhaps?).
As for your question, sure, if the investigation turns up a legitimate explanation for it, I'm happy to change my tune on it and focus on the Super Bowl itself.
So what's your opinion if Andrew luck is like Aaron Rodgers in that he tries to sneak balls that overinflated into circulation? If all the colts balls were on the high end then if they drop the same amount they wouldn't be underinflated.
Edit:also good for you to being willing to change your opinion on the matter if it comes out that way. I have a feeling most of the rabble rousers won't and will claim a rover Goodell bias towards Kraft. Ignoring the fact that Goodell levied the largest punishment in NFL history on the patriots for legal taping from an illegal position.
Chancetragedy wrote: So what's your opinion if Andrew luck is like Aaron Rodgers in that he tries to sneak balls that overinflated into circulation? If all the colts balls were on the high end then if they drop the same amount they wouldn't be underinflated.
If that comes out, it would be telling, but also truly bizarre.
Where do you get that Rodgers prefers overinflated balls? Not doubting, just curious, as everything I've read points to underinflated being better for quarterbacks.
That said, I think that scenario is exceptionally unlikely. It's not like they only inspect balls for the conference championship game. And it isn't like this was the only cold-weather game. Frankly, they probably are aware of the effects of cold and weather on ball pressure. But that is purely speculation on my part.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It was a pretty big deal here in New England earlier in the week. Not surprised it got little national attention though lol.
Just google Aaron Rodgers and see the suggested searches that popped up. There are a ton of articles.
Well, it's kinda obvious that it was a big deal in New England as they are kinda on the defensive given national football news. Not saying it is bad, they are forming up around their guys. No worries here.
About the quote. It's interesting, but it isn't anything about him trying to sneak things past officials. But that is an entirely different debate.
I'll close out by saying that clearly SOMETHING happened that was not accidental on the part of the Patriots. There was some kind of failure to either control their equipment, or to adhere to rules that will be brought to light. Past history, while it does not bend them towards guilt, rightly puts the Patriots under closer and harsher scrutiny. And, this is going more towards opinion here, the news conferences by Brady and Belicheck were not convincing me of their ignorance, particularly Brady.
Professional golf players can tell you the compression of a golf ball after hitting it one time. With a stick and hollow metal box on the end. There's not a pro caliber QB on earth who doesn't know exactly what a proper or improper ball feels like. You talking the most elite highest level of competition. These guys literally have more time handling balls than we could even imagine. They do it for a living and no one is better than them at it.
To believe Brady didn't know the balls were altered would be beyond comprehension.
Yes that something clear was the weather! And like I've stated earlier in the thread, thank god the refs noticed something was wrong because as soon as they changed the balls to ones they liked the patriots exploded and put the game away in a big way.
Also idk why it's missing from the quote but Rodgers pretty clearly said he tries to sneak them past officials over inflated hoping they don't notice. And he gets pissed at the refs when they let air out of the balls.
Also thanks for being level headed and least appearing to take facts into account over speculation. Hopefully this is all over by today. Lots of "sources" claiming the NFL will make a statement by today.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yes that something clear was the weather! And like I've stated earlier in the thread, thank god the refs noticed something was wrong because as soon as they changed the balls to ones they liked the patriots exploded and put the game away in a big way.
Also idk why it's missing from the quote but Rodgers pretty clearly said he tries to sneak them past officials over inflated hoping they don't notice. And he gets pissed at the refs when they let air out of the balls.
Also thanks for being level headed and least appearing to take facts into account over speculation. Hopefully this is all over by today. Lots of "sources" claiming the NFL will make a statement by today.
If It was the weather, why were the Colts' balls not affected? The assumption you're posing is that Luck overinflates his balls (fnar fnar fnar) and so when the weather hit, the Colts' balls deflated to normal. Meanwhile, Brady prefers underinflated, and when the weather hit, his balls went below the minimum.
That's logical, but it lacks the crucial element of Luck's preference towards overinflated balls. The best we can offer is "well Aaron Rodgers does it" and that ain't gonna fly.
i feel like we're about to circle again curran. It's about proof. Where's the proof the colts balls weren't effected? All I've read is they were "within range". That doesn't mean they weren't effected it just means that even if the weather had an effect they were still within range.
Look it's totally possible the patriots altered the balls. I've been pretty consistent with that but my opinion is clear I don't think they intentionally did it(speculative). What I'm arguing is I want proof. Outside of accusations and speculation. I want the NFL to come out and release their findings and give us real facts to work with. But as it stands right now Brady and bellichick have said they don't know why or how this happened. Why shouldn't I believe them?
Nels thank you for posting that. The sinbad line from that KILLED me. I am now brain dead to future comedy ;p
Also curran agreed like I said hopefully this is all done by today and people can move on one way or another.
Edit:as a funny aside to "deflategate/ballghazi" the thread on the patriots forum I post on is 300 pages. For a healthy average of 60 pages of discussion a day ;p
Automatically Appended Next Post: Lost in this whole thing is how incompetent the NFL is. They are hiring forensics teams to figure out if the patriots deflated footballs a tiny amount. But couldn't locate the Ray Rice tape in their investigations of that, lol!
Chancetragedy wrote: Hahahaha wtf I can't even hate that your right. Look this whole situation sucks for the patriots and nothing anyone is gonna change the ignorant peoples opinion. So I've been trying to embrace the hate. Because the patriots clearly haven't done anything wrong and people are just being ignorant in their hate so it is what it is.
It's kind of funny... I woke up this morning with this situation on my mind. Now, I've seen the Panthers kicker.. Gano?... and he was talking about a situation in NY, in the winter, and he also noticed a "flat" ball, asked the refs, and apparently NFL rules, as they stand now, says once a ball has been inspected for game use, they cannot be "tampered" with in any way. This means that they cannot add or remove air, even on request. Now, we also have, especially in regards to the kicker, a situation where rules have changed over the years. It used to be that kickers, while warming up could "mark" a ball, and that was the ONLY ball that kicker used on kickoffs and field goals, this has changed to where now, the kicker gets the ball he gets.
Now, with the weather being cold and the occasional ball losing psi because of it isn't odd in itself. It is a tiny bit odd that damn near ALL of them for one game will do so. Of course as much as I hate the patriots and hate brady (I hate him more because of the tuck rule and the Pats because of things like Spygate, and being so damn smug all the damn time), I don't think either Brady or Bellichick in themselves did anything wrong, nor did anything where they could have "suggested" to someone else in the organization to do wrong.
What's funny is though, if this same situation happened to the Seahawks, or the Redskins or Giants, or Chiefs, etc.... The reactions would be much the same, you'd just be changing the "defending" fan base. I do recall, earlier this year, or early last season, a couple Seahawks players were suspended for PEDs/NFL Substance policy... and some of the comments were, much the same here. People (not necessarily Dakka) were saying things like, "Pete Carroll cheated at USC and you can see!!! He's back at it again!! He'll do ANYTHING to win!" When clearly the situation was these 2 players who were caught in the NFLs substance policies, meanwhile Hawks fans were like, "dude, chill out, it's a couple of players, not Carroll!"
The issue with that is the comparison to the balls provided by the Colts. Remember that each team provides balls that are used by its offense. Pats use Pats balls, Colts use Colts balls. Both teams provide those balls for inspection. While 11 of the 12 Patriots balls came back underinflated, none of the Colts balls did as far as I know (more details pending in the report, perhaps?).
Clearly the answer is that the Patriots organization didnt turn the heat/air on in the Visitors Lockeroom, and so the Colts area was much closer to the outdoor temperature
Sharp Football Analysis did a very interesting statistical analysis that shows the Patriots are an extreme statistical outlier regarding the rate at which they fumble. Basically, they're holding onto the football at a statistical rate likely to occur 1 time in 16,233. According to their analysis, this began suddenly for the Patriots starting in 2007. The math obviously can't uncover WHY this is the case, but in their words "this is an extremely abnormal occurrence and is NOT simply random fluctuation."
The SFA site seems to be down thanks to all the traffic. But here's a summary:
Hahahaha a lot. The line SLAMMING spygate was my favorite. Eff the haters this is awesome. Glad to see the organization finally go on the offensive and take it to everyone.
That's the ultimate respect Whembly! This one little PC totally revitalized me on this game and the whole process of enjoying the Super Bowl ride. While I doubt it'll stem the tide totally this has to alleviate some of the madness this thing turned into right?
We had our quarterbacks look at a number of footballs, and they were unable to differentiate a 1-pound-per-square-inch difference in those footballs...
Really, Bill, your quarterbacks? After Brady's comment about preferring footballs on the low end of the legal limit?
Also, differentiating between pressure and feel is dumb. Pressure is a necessary component of how a football feels.
We had our quarterbacks look at a number of footballs, and they were unable to differentiate a 1-pound-per-square-inch difference in those footballs...
Really, Bill, your quarterbacks? After Brady's comment about preferring footballs on the low end of the legal limit?
Also, differentiating between pressure and feel is dumb. Pressure is a necessary component of how a football feels.
I agree his speech itself was horribad... I mean, there's going to be a plethora of "balls jokes" because of that one speech.
What I respect, is that he has the cajones to do that... and he did it for his players. It basically said: "Zero feths Given".
We had our quarterbacks look at a number of footballs, and they were unable to differentiate a 1-pound-per-square-inch difference in those footballs...
Really, Bill, your quarterbacks? After Brady's comment about preferring footballs on the low end of the legal limit?
Also, differentiating between pressure and feel is dumb. Pressure is a necessary component of how a football feels.
I think the most interesting thing about the probowl was the shrinking of the uprights. 2missed PAT's and a missed field goal is significant. If this ends up going through as a legitimate change it could REALLY impact the game in a huge way.
Then why aren't you talking about the uprights change and effect In the probowl? Something that could actually have a tangible effect on the league. Instead of contributing to a witch hunt against the most successful organization in the last 2 decades? What you say doesn't make much sense dogma...
They test these types of things at the probowl. That's a fact.
Rule testing was new for this Pro Bowl, and the Pro Bowl is not a good barometer for the effect rule changes have on the game. Because, as I said, no one cares about the Pro Bowl.
Rule testing was new for this Pro Bowl, and the Pro Bowl is not a good barometer for the effect rule changes have on the game. Because, as I said, no one cares about the Pro Bowl.
Agreed... which is why, much more often times, the NFL does rules testing in the Pre-season. For instance this year, IIRC, they changed the yardage of extra point attempts, to see if there was a real difference.
The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.
According to Fox Sports, the league has interviewed him and has video.
The league is still gauging if any wrongdoing occurred, but he is a strong person of interest, according to the report.
In a news conference on Thursday that lasted a little more than 30 minutes, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady detailed how he selected 24 footballs for referees to inspect before Sunday's AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts and said he "didn't alter the ball in any way."
The NFL found that 11 of the Patriots' 12 game balls from their 45-7 win were inflated significantly below the NFL's requirements, league sources involved and familiar with the investigation of Sunday's game told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.
The NFL on Friday released a statement on their investigation, saying they had conducted nearly 40 interviews to that point. Patriots wide receiver Matthew Slater said Saturday that the NFL Players Association has advised Patriots players not to discuss the ongoing investigation.
Also on Saturday, Belichick detailed the organization's preparation process and suggested that weather conditions may have affected the air pressure in the footballs. The longtime Patriots coach emotionally defended his team, saying, "We did everything as right as we can do it."
Chancetragedy wrote: Congratulations curran and dogma you win. I'm out of this thread to enjoy the fact my team is in the Super Bowl and yours isn't. Peace.
Is that the team that's gonna win the superbowl, or the Patriots?
Chancetragedy wrote: Congratulations curran and dogma you win. I'm out of this thread to enjoy the fact my team is in the Super Bowl and yours isn't. Peace.
No one remembers the losers, though. So are they going to win this one or stretch the futility streak to *11* years despite having the best QB in football and a supposed genius coach?
If the NFL changes it's substance policy, to allow weed, where it's legal.... the Seattle Seahawks and Denver Broncos will play in EVERY Superbowl until other states legalize as well
If the NFL changes it's substance policy, to allow weed, where it's legal.... the Seattle Seahawks and Denver Broncos will play in EVERY Superbowl until other states legalize as well
The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.
I'm confident that it'll be "proven" that he acted alone. It's Sweep-Under-The-Rug 101.
Hmm...a "lone ballboy"...maybe a "magic needle" theory? Will he get the chance to yell "I'm just a patsy!" before Tedy Bruschi plugs him?
If the NFL changes it's substance policy, to allow weed, where it's legal.... the Seattle Seahawks and Denver Broncos will play in EVERY Superbowl until other states legalize as well
Men's Room listener to eh
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99.9 KISSorsomethingorother
Umm... no, I listen only to Sirius/XM radio, and pretty much only the Metal station on that
Chancetragedy wrote: Congratulations curran and dogma you win. I'm out of this thread to enjoy the fact my team is in the Super Bowl and yours isn't. Peace.
Chancetragedy wrote: Congratulations curran and dogma you win. I'm out of this thread to enjoy the fact my team is in the Super Bowl and yours isn't. Peace.
The Patriots are not your team. You never played for them, coached them, served in their front office, on their staff, or owned a significant share of them. You are a fan, that is all.
hot damn, I LOOOVE what this dude is doing! I mean, he is so correct. How many times have the more talkative players in NFL history had to defend what they say, and expound on their ideas? Mow many times have guys like Keyshawn Johnson or Terrell Owens said something, and later have to explain the context?
gorgon wrote: I mostly think that Lynch needs to grow up.
And give textbook answers to pointed questions for no other reason than it is required by the NFL?
Let the guy prepare to play in a really important game in the manner he chooses, so long as it affects no other participant. Something, as he alluded to, is on the NFL.
And Aaron Rodgers is named the NFL MVP. Really can't argue that call, and even though he nearly beat us in Seattle, I respect the hell out of the guy. He was an amazing find for Green Bay.
Looks like we're going to go with "Super-Storm Sunday" up here! Gotta love being right on the lakeshore... 25-35+cm of powdery, blowing snow is always fun to try and clear.
Here's hoping the winds won't zonk out our sat reception, otherwise the only 'festivities' today will be partaking in the annual 'chicken genocide feast', followed by some light shoveling.
Wow, what a game! Fantastic super bowl, and though I was rooting against them, you've got to feel good for the Pats (and even Brady and Belichick!). This time, the crazy play went their way (that catch by Kearse setting up the Seahawks on the 5 would've been a cruel dejavu). Hurts for the Seahawks, but they won last year. As a general football fan, that kind of game is what we watch for.
Meh, a team of cheaters won at the last second when it looked like a deserving team was about to snag the win. It was a good game all the way through, really 'edge of the seat', but I wasn't going to be happy if the Pats won. They should have been booted from the Super Bowl. Oh well, what can you do?
Edit: and yes, the Seahawk player attacking the Pats player was an idiot decision. But I know if I was on that team, I sure as hell wouldn't be shaking any Pats hand after the game: they didn't deserve to be allowed to play, let alone win.
The Patriots simply played at a better level than the Seahawks did. Their offense held the ball for longer and Bradley always seemed to have an open receiver to throw to. Wilson seemed to never have an open receiver and was forced to throw into coverage.
The decision to have Wilson throw on 2nd down will haunt this team for the rest of the off-season, that's for sure.
Breotan wrote: The Patriots simply played at a better level than the Seahawks did. Their offense held the ball for longer and Bradley always seemed to have an open receiver to throw to. Wilson seemed to never have an open receiver and was forced to throw into coverage.
timetowaste85 wrote: Meh, a team of cheaters won at the last second when it looked like a deserving team was about to snag the win. It was a good game all the way through, really 'edge of the seat', but I wasn't going to be happy if the Pats won. They should have been booted from the Super Bowl. Oh well, what can you do?
Edit: and yes, the Seahawk player attacking the Pats player was an idiot decision. But I know if I was on that team, I sure as hell wouldn't be shaking any Pats hand after the game: they didn't deserve to be allowed to play, let alone win.
Actually, no. I'd root for whatever team was against the Pats. I just don't think blatant cheaters who got caught deserve to win. Maybe I'm just not following the spirit of the American Dream, I guess.
It was a good game with ups and downs for both sides and the final winner being up in the air until the last minute. In the end the Seahawks made a bad call and the Patriots capitalized on it securing their victory. The only real mar on an otherwise tense game was that little fight at the end.
If you had money on the Super Bowl, you would have cleaned up if you based your bet on the simulation conducted before the game by Madden NFL 2015. As USA Today’s Brett Molina notes, Madden’s official simulation got the score of the game exactly right since it correctly predicted the Patriots would beat the Seahawks 28 to 24. And that’s not the only thing Madden got right.
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Patriots receiver Julian Edelman caught the game-deciding touchdown pass in the Madden sim, just as he did in the actual game. Brady was also named the Super Bowl MVP in Madden, just as he was in real life. Even more remarkable is the fact that the sim was even accurate about some individual stats in the game.
“The Madden sim predicted Tom Brady would win Super Bowl MVP (which he did), passing for 335 yards and 4 touchdowns,” notes Molina. “Brady finished the game with 328 yards and 4 touchdowns. The simulation missed by only seven yards… The simulation had Edelman finish as the Patriots’ top receiver, with eight catches for 106 yards. Edelman ended the Super Bowl with nine catches for 109 yards.”
This doesn’t mean Madden is some kind of oracle, however — last year’s sim had the Broncos beating the Seahawks 31-28 when in reality the Seahawks destroyed the Broncos by a score of 43-8.
timetowaste85 wrote: Actually, no. I'd root for whatever team was against the Pats. I just don't think blatant cheaters who got caught deserve to win. Maybe I'm just not following the spirit of the American Dream, I guess.
Cheaters from what? Spygate? The only thing that was done wrong was having the guy recording not in the right spot, and was perfectly legal the year before. The whole call stealing was, and has always been, perfectly legal.
And this deflate crap nonsense? So far, only 1 ball was 2 pounds under pressure, "several" were roughly a pound, and "several" others were either right at the mark or just barely below it. And the NFL has confirmed they didn't even take readings before the game. Messing with the football is something every team does.
So please point me to the "cheating".
And since you dislike cheating, what about Seattle? PED's and talking to players when they were not allowed
Breotan wrote: Pete Carroll is doing a mea culpa about that play.
Yeah... I mean, everyone in the world *knew* that ball was gonna be handed off to Lynch, for the TD. There was pretty much no reason to NOT give it to him, as the stats earlier in the thread showed... and yet, Carroll did exactly the opposite of expectation.
I was referring to the multiple suspensions over HGH the Seahawks have had in the past few years
If you really think that Seattle is the only team out there with players, even multiple players doing that sort of thing, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.
Yes, they were the unfortunate ones who got caught, but to think that because they got caught means that theyre the only ones is ridiculous.
You just expressed what just about every pats fans feels about spygate exactly ensis ;p if people think others weren't doing exactly that they're wrong.
btw bummer about the Seahawks. Super glad the patriots won but that was a BRUTAL way to lose a game. Welcome to patriots fandom circa 2007.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Fun stat the patriots are the youngest team to win a Super Bowl ever. With an average age of 25.2. Could last night be the start/continuation of another dynasty?!?
Fun stat the patriots are the youngest team to win a Super Bowl ever. With an average age of 25.2. Could last night be the start/continuation of another dynasty?!?
With the way the refs, and rules now protect people like Brady, you could see him for another 5+ years. I'd give him another 2 or 3 years before he starts to really "slow down" in any meaningful way
The moment Malcolm Butler plucked Russell Wilson's pass out of the air, the NFL conspiracy mill began churning.
"Why would you pass on the 1-yard line? You have the Beast at your disposal, and he is starving. Why call a high-risk pick play that's experienced Hindenburg levels of success in recent memory?"
Such were the questions flooding in from all angles after Wilson's sole interception of Super Bowl XLIX—a turnover that flipped the game on its ear and doomed a miraculous fourth-quarter comeback by the Seattle Seahawks. Fans and pundits alike wondered aloud exactly what led Pete Carroll to call a risky, no-read passing play with the Lombardi Trophy on the line and Marshawn Lynch waiting in the backfield.
Most have chalked it up to arrogance or a colossal brain fart, but a particularly tin-hatted cross section of viewers saw larger, non-football reasons at play when the Seahawks deviated from Lynch in the final moments of the game.
The prevailing theory being shopped is that Carroll and the Seahawks franchise had more to gain from Wilson scoring the winning touchdown than Lynch and opted to give their quarterback the opportunity to play hero.
It's a dumb, irrational theory. No NFL coach would never make a business decision with the biggest game of his life on the line. However, at least one Seattle Seahawk appears to have momentarily deemed the notion plausible.
NFL.com's Michael Silver reports that one anonymous (and upset) Seahawks player considered the idea after Seattle's 28-24 Super Bowl loss to the New England Patriots. Sitting in the locker room, the player briefly acknowledged that the pass play seemed like an attempt by Carroll to elevate Wilson into the role of Seattle's savior.
"That's what it looked like," the unnamed player said.
Also: Seriously, Warren Sapp?
Also #2: Manziel should start dating Lindsay Lohan and make a reality TV show.
I'm glad to see Gronk, Amendola, and Revis get a ring. Josh McDaniels too, 4 for him. Vince Wilfork is a good dude as well.
I can agree with all on that list, except for Gronk. There's just so much that I see around him that I think isn't quite right.... For one thing, the refs completely ignored his punches in that little tussle at the end of the game. He may not have instigated it, but I hope the league, in its review of the incident takes a bit out of his wallet, at a minimum.
I'm glad to see Gronk, Amendola, and Revis get a ring. Josh McDaniels too, 4 for him. Vince Wilfork is a good dude as well.
I can agree with all on that list, except for Gronk. There's just so much that I see around him that I think isn't quite right.... For one thing, the refs completely ignored his punches in that little tussle at the end of the game. He may not have instigated it, but I hope the league, in its review of the incident takes a bit out of his wallet, at a minimum.
While true, it's just one example that came off the top of my head... And honestly, I can't completely put my finger on why I dislike the dude so much.
I dunno, I guess I have more of an affinity for liking the "nose to the grindstone" type guys. The Barry Sanders' or JJ Watt types, who by and large keep out of trouble, yet work their tails off to be better.
I'm glad to see Gronk, Amendola, and Revis get a ring. Josh McDaniels too, 4 for him. Vince Wilfork is a good dude as well.
I can agree with all on that list, except for Gronk. There's just so much that I see around him that I think isn't quite right.... For one thing, the refs completely ignored his punches in that little tussle at the end of the game. He may not have instigated it, but I hope the league, in its review of the incident takes a bit out of his wallet, at a minimum.
Refs usually don't call offsetting penalties unless the person who is hit first escalates that contact to a higher level (tackling or punching) or removes his helmet. Pretty standard.
He may catch a fine, but I doubt it. You can't hit a superstar. Whether that is fair or not is another discussion entirely.
Refs usually don't call offsetting penalties unless the person who is hit first escalates that contact to a higher level (tackling or punching) or removes his helmet. Pretty standard.
He may catch a fine, but I doubt it. You can't hit a superstar. Whether that is fair or not is another discussion entirely.
I know Gronk wasn't the first one hit, but he was one of the players who damn sure escalated things. (the NE fullback is another prime example, only I don't remember seeing him throw a punch, just a bunch of shoving/grabassing) Most of the guys were pushing and shoving, but Gronk threw a straight up boxing punch at a dude.
While true, it's just one example that came off the top of my head... And honestly, I can't completely put my finger on why I dislike the dude so much.
I think your location gives us a clue though...
And aside from Wilson, Seattle has got to be one of the most unlikeable teams in the NFL, and that's saying something.
Of course, that's actually just how Seattle wants it, apparently!
While true, it's just one example that came off the top of my head... And honestly, I can't completely put my finger on why I dislike the dude so much.
I think your location gives us a clue though...
And aside from Wilson, Seattle has got to be one of the most unlikeable teams in the NFL, and that's saying something.
Of course, that's actually just how Seattle wants it, apparently!
Nope... Patriots tops the most unlikable team for me.
Thanks.
color me shocked.
