Haha I didn't even think about previous alignments. That's a fair point haha. Yah I'm ok with Dallas/philly as its more compelling and it's still Dallas playing. But I don't really get SF/Seattle either.
What's even more funny about that is that you can pretty much tell the bandwagoners from the "real" fans in Seattle based on that alone. If you don't like that metric, just talk about Curt Warner, Steve Largent, Warren Moon, or Brian Bosworth
Ensis... Obviously you have never been to Philly or Dallas..... They hate each other on principle.
Plus Philly has a nasty habit of knocking the Boys out of the playoffs.
Byte.. Yeah but I am looking at the possible match ups. I'd rather have the "easy Road".
Chancetragedy wrote: jesus Christ Hlaine. That buffalo D LOL Good game haha. Gonna be an interesting next week of games to see who goes to the playoffs.
Yeah good game but Jesus Christ the Jets really stink, that and Vick's tackle saved a second TD, It also helped that Forsett had a monster day as well
helgrenze wrote: Ensis... Obviously you have never been to Philly or Dallas..... They hate each other on principle.
Plus Philly has a nasty habit of knocking the Boys out of the playoffs.
You misunderstand me.... While I have never been to Philly, I do not down play any of the rivalries (seriously, the NFC East is nothing but "arch-rivals").
What I was saying is that the Thanksgiving Day game specifically, is supposed to be Washington and Dallas
helgrenze wrote: Ok I can give tou that...
And the Detroit game.. Lions vs Bears..... Gotta be the classic right?
I seem to remember that matchup was always between the bears, lions, and packers. I think there were quite a few years with Packers/bears or packers/lions as well...
But that may not have been a thing since Barry Sanders and Brett Favre were playing.
While they have a losing record, they are something like 34-37-2 over all.
The Packers also have a losing record, 14-19-2.
Chicago is 16-13-2
Minn is 5-1.
Byte wrote: Wow, tough week in pick'ems. I predict a hot mess with the pics.
Come on son! We got this ;p. But seriously. I just did my picks like I always do, first gut instinct and don't EVER change them after haha. We'll see how it goes though because this was a pretty close week as far as spreads and teams.
Byte wrote: Wow, tough week in pick'ems. I predict a hot mess with the pics.
Come on son! We got this ;p. But seriously. I just did my picks like I always do, first gut instinct and don't EVER change them after haha. We'll see how it goes though because this was a pretty close week as far as spreads and teams.
I suspect this week is gonna change some rankings up!
Your still on top?!? Only by 2 now though. I had that one week where I lost all my 1 o'clock game points because I forgot to save l, so if I lose I lose and it's all my fault haha.
Not for long... Butt fumble 3.0 coming soon to a dirty sanchez near you ;p
Automatically Appended Next Post: Dang byte! You really had to jinx us all right out the gate ;p. So far this is a pretty bad start to pickem lol. There's still time though!
Automatically Appended Next Post: See byte I told yah we'd be fine ;p
Yes we did. Because mark Sanchez was 0-1 in a butt fumble fiasco on thanksgiving day games coming into the game. But you definately picked it right philly is sure fun to watch.
Chancetragedy wrote: Not for long... Butt fumble 3.0 coming soon to a dirty sanchez near you ;p
Automatically Appended Next Post: Dang byte! You really had to jinx us all right out the gate ;p. So far this is a pretty bad start to pickem lol. There's still time though!
Automatically Appended Next Post: See byte I told yah we'd be fine ;p
Gonna get interesting!
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Alfndrate wrote: Johnny Manziel making his first big drive in the NFL... Hoyer looks so dejected on the sideline, as he should he played terribly this game.
Edit: Johnny Football scores his first regular season TD and Hoyer looks to be in tears. Bills lead cut to 10 points.
Great, all we are going to hear about for the next forever...
Johnny came out for his second drive and had a terrible showing. It looked like he received a bad snap on Third and 6, recovered the ball and then took a defender the face as it appeared he was attempting to tuck the ball and lost it for a Bills recovered fumble/touchdown. Refs ruled it incomplete pass and then he went and threw like a 5 yard pass and turned it over.
soundwave591 wrote: sad it looks like my FFL with dakka is a playoff no show. also I didnt get to watch monday's game, but it looked ugly. Just how bad was it?
I watched the last 3 minutes... at least that much was OK. It was a close game, but I think the Jets just set a record for "fewest pass attempts in a single game" with like 9 or something.
It would be nice if the Refs in the Philly game were calling it fair.
Seattle is holding like they can't get caught.... because they aren't being called for it.
Seattle has mastered the "we're gonna foul on every play and see what you do about it" tactic. To be fair they are pretty smart with it and have mastered the game of chicken with the refs. It's one of my favorite things about the team.
Yah they have to hear about how good San fran, Seattle, and now Arizona's defense are on a daily basis I'm sure. I'm sure it's driven them crazy. Whois the linebacker they just drafted that's been pretty spectacular this year, ogletree? Maybe that was the key with their line, they need a presence behind them. They're is a ton of draft capital in that defense it's about time they're consistantly great.
Chancetragedy wrote: Seattle has mastered the "we're gonna foul on every play and see what you do about it" tactic. To be fair they are pretty smart with it and have mastered the game of chicken with the refs. It's one of my favorite things about the team.
My favorite move was Lockette's 'flop'. That and all those spin moves by their receivers if anyone touched them.
Wow... my Dakka FFL game went down to the wire, and really, for my team hinged on what should have been a good day for Rodgers turning out to be such a bad one
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Wow... my Dakka FFL game went down to the wire, and really, for my team hinged on what should have been a good day for Rodgers turning out to be such a bad one
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Wow... my Dakka FFL game went down to the wire, and really, for my team hinged on what should have been a good day for Rodgers turning out to be such a bad one
Indeed, good game man.
you too man. Most of the games IRL were pretty damn good as well. That was kind of a wild one
It's been a long, strange road this season, but if the Steelers win against KC, they're in. Win out and they're division champs, which would mean a home playoff game for the first time in a few years. I love me some playoff tickets.
Let's give it half a season though, time on the pitch, there were sparkles there even in that thrashing but they need time to build up the organisation.
On the topic of Chicago, am I alone in thinking that an inordinate amount of blame has been foisted onto Cutler? Now don't get me wrong, he has a TON wrong with him, but its portrayal is that Chicago is only flawed because of him when the whole organization is pretty tanked.
Meh, I got the feeling it was a combination of terrible coaching and that cutler really is that bad yes. I never got the impression from national media it was all cutler.
curran12 wrote: On the topic of Chicago, am I alone in thinking that an inordinate amount of blame has been foisted onto Cutler? Now don't get me wrong, he has a TON wrong with him, but its portrayal is that Chicago is only flawed because of him when the whole organization is pretty tanked.
The thing I find ironic, is that Romo is just as "bad" as Cutler, and yet, because it's the Cowboys he seems to avoid much of that level of criticism.
Except Romo appears to care about football and is passionate and by all accounts a great teammate. It's not just cutlers play that makes him bad it's the whole package and Blasè attitude.
I think I'd take luck too. Think of what seattle could be with luck and it's terrifying. More so than it is even now.
Cutler is a gunslinger. Gotta sling it. They use forte a ton so you can't even say use him more. This is also the 4th head coach for cutler. Most quarterbacks barely make it with more than 2. Let alone 4, but is it cutlers fault he's had so many head coaches?
Chancetragedy wrote: I think I'd take luck too. Think of what seattle could be with luck and it's terrifying. More so than it is even now.
Nah man.... I don't think Seattle would do anything more with Luck than they already get with Wilson. There's a reason why they voted Wilson the Captain, and he started ahead of the big money free agent when he got there.
I don't think you could wrong with either of them. But they're pretty even as far as mobility, but luck has a better pocket passing game than Wilson. All things being equal I think most non Seahawks fans would take luck. You really aren't making a bad choice between either of them though.
Chancetragedy wrote: So your saying cutler is a lot worse than luck? I think we all agree with that ;p
I have a Man Crush™ on Luck.
He's the guy I'd want to lead my franchise for years. (#2, ironically, is Russell Wilson).
The Bears are trying to force Cutler to throw the ball too much imo... he's not a Manning/Brees/Rodger QB.
Chancetragedy wrote:I don't think you could wrong with either of them. But they're pretty even as far as mobility, but luck has a better pocket passing game than Wilson. All things being equal I think most non Seahawks fans would take luck. You really aren't making a bad choice between either of them though.
Back, slavering beasts! The Neard will never leave Indy!
Your telling me Brandon Marshall, alshon jeffry, and Matt forte aren't at least as good as any of those QB's receivers? Besides mannings group I'd take chicagos skill position players over the saints, packers, Patriots, and many others...
Also that jets V pats game was super uncomfortable.
Chancetragedy wrote: Your telling me Brandon Marshall, alshon jeffry, and Matt forte aren't at least as good as any of those QB's receivers? Besides mannings group I'd take chicagos skill position players over the saints, packers, Patriots, and many others...
You would take Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffry, and Matt Forte over guys like Randy Moss, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Wes Welker?
Touché, missed the had part. Idk I'd probably out those 2 up against Wayne and Harrison, I'd definately take them over any of the GB receiving cores, and all of the saint groups. So you know what I'm gonna stay with my comment. With the exceptions of the 2007 pats group.
So Detroit clinched a spot. Well, here is to a first round trouncing. They're on their way, but I still don't feel they are an actual contender. They reaped the benefit of a soft schedule this year.
djones520 wrote: So Detroit clinched a spot. Well, here is to a first round trouncing. They're on their way, but I still don't feel they are an actual contender. They reaped the benefit of a soft schedule this year.
They remind me of Michigan State, in that they have tons of talent but absolutely no discipline.
Which is crazy because they brought in coach dead face Caldwell to try and bring that calming effect. Which actually may be working with them pulling off all these close wins. I really want them to do well because it's been a whole and hopefully they can find some consistency.
Chancetragedy wrote: Which is crazy because they brought in coach dead face Caldwell to try and bring that calming effect. Which actually may be working with them pulling off all these close wins. I really want them to do well because it's been a whole and hopefully they can find some consistency.
I think Caldwell was the wrong choice if that was intention. He's certainly not emotional, but he also doesn't know how run herd on a team lead by unruly pricks.
Chancetragedy wrote: Your telling me Brandon Marshall, alshon jeffry, and Matt forte aren't at least as good as any of those QB's receivers? Besides mannings group I'd take chicagos skill position players over the saints, packers, Patriots, and many others...
You would take Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffry, and Matt Forte over guys like Randy Moss, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and Wes Welker?
If you're going to be dirty, at least try to be subtle.
Yeah... I don't care what kind of QB or RB or WR you have... no quarter back is going to be effective if he's running for his life or throwing the ball while on the ground. The Bears OL needs a rehaul.
So does the RAMs.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Lol 4 dudes ejected from Rams/Giants game lol. Little bit of frustrated bruhahaha
To be fair when he posted that marshawn looked like he was sitting out. He didn't get a snap till what 3 minutes left in the first half?
I thought it was more like 3 minutes left in the first quarter, but I was only half paying attention to the game (nagging wife, dinner time... you name it, other people demanded my attention, and wouldn't leave me in peace, in my man-cave)
I can't find an exact time he came in, but the ESPN recap says he sat out the entire first quarter. So i think it was 3-5 minutes left in the half he came in and scored that 6 yard TD.
Either way maybe they should rest him for a quarter in every game if that's how they're gonna respond on offense ;p
Chancetragedy wrote:I bet people thought manning would never leave Indy either ;p
Well, to be fair they did him pretty dirty, and I know a bunch of Indy fans really aren't happy about that either. It would have been awesome to see what Luck could become under Peyton's tutelage, though I don't think Peyton would have survived the number of hits Luck has had to take....
But, to be able to pick up a quarterback of Luck's caliber and get rid of an brokedick? Seems reasonable to me.
Byte wrote:Colts look BAAAD tonight!
Freaking Pep Hamilton man, I don't know what his deal is. Super conservative play calling for the first three downs, and then they let our punter throw a pass before our all-star QB? That combined with the fact that I don't think their heads were really in the game, what with the playoff spot clinched and everything.
Chancetragedy wrote: I can't find an exact time he came in, but the ESPN recap says he sat out the entire first quarter. So i think it was 3-5 minutes left in the half he came in and scored that 6 yard TD.
Either way maybe they should rest him for a quarter in every game if that's how they're gonna respond on offense ;p
It was at least the whole 1st QTR. He made up for it.
So I made fun of Andy dalton playing in primetime a few posts ago and I completely forgot about mannings well known "primetime" performances ;p God lets go bengals please don't be the bengals tonight, be something better!
Road to the super bowl in the AFC goes through Foxboro baby!!!
I exalted this post for the congrats to byte... that was a pretty good FFL game
As for the AFC going through Foxborough, I hope TB gets his girly parts hurt and the Patriots die in a fire Or, at least they lose a game due to the "tuck rule"
TheMeanDM wrote: Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!
Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)
Ok ensisdamus. You nailed this one I'm sure you'll nail the Brady getting his vag hurt prediction too.
The Pats deserve to be the favorite in the AFC, but this isn't a great Pats team. Of course, Indy appears to be fading badly and Denver is leaking some oil.
I think the Pats' competition will come from the Steelers, Bengals, or Chargers, all of whom are entering the playoffs playing well and having played a lot of must-win football down the stretch. I can definitely see a lower seed getting hot and going to the SB.
This isn't a great pats team?!? All 3 of their units are in the top 10. They've killed every good team they've played except for GB. The defense hasn't given up a second half TD in 6-7 games, they are pretty healthy, and mentally tough. There is probably 2 teams in the nfl that can hang with them atm. And they aren't in the AFC.
TheMeanDM wrote: Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!
Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)
Ok ensisdamus. You nailed this one I'm sure you'll nail the Brady getting his vag hurt prediction too.
Lol, to quote the Joker, "Why so serious??" It's a bit of gak talking... Other than Belichick being a cheat, it's all rather tongue in cheek, and it's been WELL established on these fora that I HAAAAAATE the Patriots
TheMeanDM wrote: Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!
Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)
Ok ensisdamus. You nailed this one I'm sure you'll nail the Brady getting his vag hurt prediction too.
Lol, to quote the Joker, "Why so serious??" It's a bit of gak talking... Other than Belichick being a cheat, it's all rather tongue in cheek, and it's been WELL established on these fora that I HAAAAAATE the Patriots
TheMeanDM wrote: Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!
Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)
Ok ensisdamus. You nailed this one I'm sure you'll nail the Brady getting his vag hurt prediction too.
Lol, to quote the Joker, "Why so serious??" It's a bit of gak talking... Other than Belichick being a cheat, it's all rather tongue in cheek, and it's been WELL established on these fora that I HAAAAAATE the Patriots
Listen to your own advice. I finally get a chance to trash talk back and you can't take it? Talk about thin skin but what do I expect from a Seahawks fan ;p keep hatin those Patriots, it just adds fuel to that 4th SB Fire!
TheMeanDM wrote: Yeah, what the hell is up with the Pats this year?!
Brady needs to retire, and people are figuring Bellechick out (or, he's not as good as people thought, since he keeps seeming to get caught in some kind of cheating scandal or another)
Ok ensisdamus. You nailed this one I'm sure you'll nail the Brady getting his vag hurt prediction too.
Lol, to quote the Joker, "Why so serious??" It's a bit of gak talking... Other than Belichick being a cheat, it's all rather tongue in cheek, and it's been WELL established on these fora that I HAAAAAATE the Patriots
Listen to your own advice. I finally get a chance to trash talk back and you can't take it? Talk about thin skin but what do I expect from a Seahawks fan ;p keep hatin those Patriots, it just adds fuel to that 4th SB Fire!
Lol, I guess typing really is the bane of civilization. I read it as you taking offense
I think you needed some of these --> to let me know you weren't serious
Fair enough! Yah it's all good man, it's just about playoff time we gotta step up the trash talk game. And too be fair after the KC game I did take your comments seriously and reacted as such so I should have been more careful this time.
I'm hoping for no repeat of 2009 where someone gets hurt in a final meaningless game. Bellichik is a guy who doesn't really rest a lot of guys. Gotta get through a game with that buffalo D alive ;p
I'm hoping for no repeat of 2009 where someone gets hurt in a final meaningless game. Bellichik is a guy who doesn't really rest a lot of guys. Gotta get through a game with that buffalo D alive ;p
Ya know, I've never understood why guys like Bellichick don't rest players, if that week 17 game is meaningless. It's not college football where "style" matters, lol. I also get that he can't really give them a full game off, as it's been somewhat proven to be detrimental (the whole, too much time off is a bad thing), but surely, if you go into it like an early preseason game, where most of the top starters are getting a quarter to a half of play then resting, it should have most of the positive effects, without the negative, right?
Strangely, this is the first year in a long, long time that I can remember where the playoff picture looks so crazy going into week 17:
I'm hoping for no repeat of 2009 where someone gets hurt in a final meaningless game. Bellichik is a guy who doesn't really rest a lot of guys. Gotta get through a game with that buffalo D alive ;p
Ya know, I've never understood why guys like Bellichick don't rest players, if that week 17 game is meaningless. It's not college football where "style" matters, lol. I also get that he can't really give them a full game off, as it's been somewhat proven to be detrimental (the whole, too much time off is a bad thing), but surely, if you go into it like an early preseason game, where most of the top starters are getting a quarter to a half of play then resting, it should have most of the positive effects, without the negative, right?
Strangely, this is the first year in a long, long time that I can remember where the playoff picture looks so crazy going into week 17:
This is what I'm hoping for. Play 1 quarter then let second stringers take it over for the rest of the game. Don't even suit up Edelman, Gronk, or Revis.
Although I guess there is merit to trying to win every game examples being 2007/2011 giants and the myriad of other wild card teams that have won or been to the Super Bowl in recent times. It just seems like the risk of injury is too great. Especially when this team has the experience to handle the extended bye and come back strong in the playoffs.
Chancetragedy wrote: This isn't a great pats team?!? All 3 of their units are in the top 10. They've killed every good team they've played except for GB. The defense hasn't given up a second half TD in 6-7 games, they are pretty healthy, and mentally tough. There is probably 2 teams in the nfl that can hang with them atm. And they aren't in the AFC.
Yahyahyah I've never claimed to be anything but a homer. Although I try to stay rational with my opinions.
But facts are
Patriots rank #1 in PPG(the only stat that really matter besides wins) on offense.
Rank #8 in defensive PPG
And admittedly this one is harder to prove but their special teams has been really really good this year. Not just in coverage but they've blocked a bunch of kicks and scored multiple touchdowns.
It's going to be the worst Christmas ever if the Football gods line everything up just so and the Ravens get into the playoffs... It's slim, but this is Cleveland luck we're talking about.
Don't worry alf, it's pretty unlikely the ratbirds get in. SD knows they can't lose or they're out of the playoffs so they should come out flying against the Chiefs. You should be fine!
Chancetragedy wrote: Don't worry alf, it's pretty unlikely the ratbirds get in. SD knows they can't lose or they're out of the playoffs so they should come out flying against the Chiefs. You should be fine!
It's my loving nickname for the scummy Ravens. To get into the playoffs they have to beat Cleveland and hope for a SD tie/loss. I believe Philly Rivers gonna get it done though and get in.
Chancetragedy wrote: Don't worry alf, it's pretty unlikely the ratbirds get in. SD knows they can't lose or they're out of the playoffs so they should come out flying against the Chiefs. You should be fine!
Ratbirds!?
Yeah... Pigeons are much closer to "ratbirds" than the Ravens... I don't really get it.
So the patriots have gronk, Edelman, their starting right tackle, their near pro bowl linebacker, and more inactive. Looks like it'll be a JV game after a series or two.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Yah I didn't watch that game whembly but I was following it on my phone, Seemed brutal.
So it's
Seattle
GB
Dallas
Carolina
Arizona
Detroit
And
NE
Denver
Colts
Steelers(probably)
Bengals(probably)
Baltimore
Early predictions are
Seattle vs Carolina
Dallas vs GB
And
NE vs Indy
Denver vs Pitt
Steelers won, which means they host Baltimore next week, while Cincy heads out to Indy (according to the early game "What's at stake" thing)... and ESPN is reporting that Pittsburgh won.
Sexy Rexy, Trestman, Harbaugh, M. smith all gone. Could be more before its all said and done. I wonder if coughlin retires and both NYC jobs become open. I'd say Atlanta looks like the best job because of Matt Ryan.
Meh with Julio if they can get a legit defense and a coach that will instill toughness I'd say he'd be fine. He had mike smith as a coach and a mostly wet paper bag for defense his whole career. And if you look at most of his playoff losses he put up decent points but his defense got gashed in everyone giving up more than 28 points like 4 of the 5 games.
Felt really sorry for him during the Panthers game, you'd get about three of the Panther defence picking themselves us, leaving Ryan on the floor in a Family Guy-esque pose - he must have been on the floor twenty times, which must have been something of a shock if it had been 100 or so plays since he had last been sacked prior to that game.
Ehh... after watching the video on youtube, I don't think it really warrants a suspension, EVEN with including his past behavior.
He was being pushed backwards, and so the first step was merely him trying to get his balance (notice his ankle buckle/roll a bit on the first step??) which led to the second step. Perhaps he lingered a bit longer than necessary, but I don't see a malicious intent in it.
Should he be fined?? Ehh, maybe... but I don't think this single incident warrants a suspension.
Either way, I don't think it will help Romo with his choking problem anyhow
That wasn't worthy of a suspension. He's a dirty prick, no doubt, but I didn't see anything worth extra discipline. Not like Raiola's stomp, or Suh's previous stomps/head slams/kicks/etc.
I'm actually rather glad about the overturn, not because I like Suh, but because I think Rodgers (and by extension the Packers) gets a few too many calls because he is Rodgers. Not unlike many other talented quarterbacks in NFL history, but annoying nonetheless.
Felt really sorry for him during the Panthers game, you'd get about three of the Panther defence picking themselves us, leaving Ryan on the floor in a Family Guy-esque pose - he must have been on the floor twenty times, which must have been something of a shock if it had been 100 or so plays since he had last been sacked prior to that game.
The punt returner for Carolina Bursin is so bad. Botched punt then a no fair catch that let it roll an extra 15-20 yards. Carolina had the momentum but it's been ugly so far haha.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: That looks like a TD for the cards to me.
So for the second time a sub .500 team has made the playoffs they've won their first game in the playoffs. I don't think this is the worst thing in the world.
But its not the same, the rivalry between Balt and Pitt is always extra special.
I had B-more out after the Texans loss, being in the playoffs and beating pitt is just a bonus gift from the chargers, and all I want now is one good hit on Brady. Win or lose, just make him cry for a foul on a clean hit and I'm happy.
Ravens!!!! That was amazing, it's just house money now
I can't believe the Steelers put Ben back in after that hit. He was what, 2-6 with an Int to end the game? Should've kept the backup in - he was hot, and Ben was clearly shaken - that first throw back in was an interception into like triple coverage, just no way he should've been out there.
It reminds me of the Redskins putting Griffin back in in the playoffs a few years ago. Not only is it bad for the player, it does not give your team the best chance to win - a hot backup is much better than a seriously impaired starter, even (or maybe especially) at QB.
RiTides wrote: It reminds me of the Redskins putting Griffin back in in the playoffs a few years ago. Not only is it bad for the player, it does not give your team the best chance to win - a hot backup is much better than a seriously impaired starter, even (or maybe especially) at QB.
Ugh... thanks for dragging up that memory!
This game tonight was one of those where I wish both teams could lose. I know a lot of Steelers fans and I know they're going to be bitter, which is okay... but my little brother is a Ravens fan so now I have to listen to his big mouth for at least another week.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So there are no ties in the playoffs right? So Dallas or Detroit has to win a playoff game right? ;p
Probably.... Unless there are 30+ injuries on BOTH teams (as in, 30+ Dallas players, and 30+ Detroit players) and neither team can field a team the following week
Being a hard core GB fan, CAN DETROIT DO ANYTHING RIGHT?!? They are a thorn in Greenbay's side then fall to Dallas I so wanted to face Carolina in lambeau
Chancetragedy wrote: Haha and somehow that seems a fitting end for those franchises ;p
For the franchise with the most playoff victories in the history of the NFL?
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riverhawks32 wrote: Being a hard core GB fan, CAN DETROIT DO ANYTHING RIGHT?!? They are a thorn in Greenbay's side then fall to Dallas I so wanted to face Carolina in lambeau
Dallas@GB in Icebowl 2.0.. It should be a good game. Dallas is playing with house money at this point considering what expectations were.
I'm thinking the NFC finale will be GB at Seattle, that should be a pretty good one. I think Dallas runs out of gas and luck at Lambeau and the Panthers don't have any answer for the Seahawks defense.
curran12 wrote: I'm thinking the NFC finale will be GB at Seattle, that should be a pretty good one. I think Dallas runs out of gas and luck at Lambeau and the Panthers don't have any answer for the Seahawks defense.
Notes on Cowboys packers
- Aaron Rogers only has one career playoff win at Lambeau. 1-2 career.
- Cowboys have won 5 in a row.
- Packers are 23rd against the run. Haven't played a top 10 rushing offense since October 19.
- Cowboys are 5-1 against top 10 passing offenses.
- The high in Green Bay will be 23 degrees.
Seattle's defensive statistics were majorly helped out by playing Arizona without Carson Palmer twice over the past few weeks. If the Panthers can keep the game close and not give the ball away, they have the right formula to beat Seattle. If you can run the ball against Seattle, you can win.
The Panther defense actually matches up pretty well with Seattle's strength. At the same time, Seattle can't throw the ball without having to resort to pick plays. Carolina is the clearly inferior team but they matchup well.
True enough, but in regards to Seattle-Carolina, you need to question Cam Newton and the Panther's ability to keep the ball as well. They gave it up 3 times against Arizona's relatively pedestrian defense, and they are going into something far more dangerous. Plus, the rumors have it that Cam's ankle is bothering him again, which will not keep him out of the game, but make him far less unpredictable.
Not saying it is a lock, but the Panthers have a very hard uphill battle in CenturyLink this Saturday.
Id Seahawks fans have every right to be a little nervous. The last 2 games against the panthers were a 12-9 win and a 13-9 win. The panthers most definately matchup. It's the same for patriots vs Baltimore. By all account the patriots are a better team but Baltimore just always matches up well to make the games uncomfortable.
The Panther defense actually matches up pretty well with Seattle's strength. At the same time, Seattle can't throw the ball without having to resort to pick plays. Carolina is the clearly inferior team but they matchup well.
I believe that the last time Seattle and Carolina played, it was indeed a close, low scoring game. But, I think that with it being Playoffs football, there's no way that Carolina will shut down ALL of Seattle's weapons. I will give you that it will most likely be another low scoring game, but I just think that Seattle is too complete a team for Carolina to deal with.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Id Seahawks fans have every right to be a little nervous. The last 2 games against the panthers were a 12-9 win and a 13-9 win. The panthers most definately matchup. It's the same for patriots vs Baltimore. By all account the patriots are a better team but Baltimore just always matches up well to make the games uncomfortable.
Agreed, and as to your second part, I think that Baltimore's overall game plan will be this:
Tom Brady can't win a game if he's not on the field. I'd expect them to slow the game down, should they get a lead.
Hopefully with how good the patriots defense has been they can win a slow close game. I definately think they're equipped this year more than just about any other in the past decade to win in the post-season.
However you listen to Suggs already in press conferences, it's pretty clear the Ravens are coming to win and it's gonna be afight. The calmness and confidence is there for sure. While it's gonna be stressful to watch the games are always action packed and I expect no difference here.
Chancetragedy wrote: Hopefully with how good the patriots defense has been they can win a slow close game. I definately think they're equipped this year more than just about any other in the past decade to win in the post-season.
However you listen to Suggs already in press conferences, it's pretty clear the Ravens are coming to win and it's gonna be afight. The calmness and confidence is there for sure. While it's gonna be stressful to watch the games are always action packed and I expect no difference here.
Joe Flacco still sucks and the Patriots have the best Defense they've had since 2007 when the team went 16-0.
Chancetragedy wrote: Hopefully with how good the patriots defense has been they can win a slow close game. I definately think they're equipped this year more than just about any other in the past decade to win in the post-season.
However you listen to Suggs already in press conferences, it's pretty clear the Ravens are coming to win and it's gonna be afight. The calmness and confidence is there for sure. While it's gonna be stressful to watch the games are always action packed and I expect no difference here.
Joe Flacco still sucks and the Patriots have the best Defense they've had since 2007 when the team went 16-0.
To be fair, flacco is typically the definition of average in efficiency statistics during the regular season. But you put him in the playoffs and cool joe comes out. I'm still not sure cincy'so post isn't a joke though.
Chancetragedy wrote: Hopefully with how good the patriots defense has been they can win a slow close game. I definately think they're equipped this year more than just about any other in the past decade to win in the post-season.
However you listen to Suggs already in press conferences, it's pretty clear the Ravens are coming to win and it's gonna be afight. The calmness and confidence is there for sure. While it's gonna be stressful to watch the games are always action packed and I expect no difference here.
Joe Flacco still sucks and the Patriots have the best Defense they've had since 2007 when the team went 16-0.
Since when did Flacco suck?
Since he got that fat contract
There's no bias at all in the fact that I'm from Cincinnati, either.
But in all seriousness, I still don't think he's a top 15 QB.
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Byte wrote: I can think of a lot of NFL QBs that have sucked. Flacco doesn't come even close to making the list.
His Career QBR is hovering around 55. That's not any good.
I apologize in advance for the cut and paste but for the Flacco uninitiated its seems appropriate.
With Flacco as Baltimore's starting quarterback, the Ravens have won the AFC North twice, appeared in three AFC Championship Games, and defeated the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XLVII. Flacco was named Super Bowl XLVII's MVP, concluding a postseason run in which he tied Joe Montana's single postseason record for touchdown passes (11) without an interception.
NFL records
First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs (shared with Matt Ryan)
First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games[39]
Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 73
Most starts by a quarterback in first five seasons: 93
Most starts by a quarterback in first six seasons: 109
Most wins by a quarterback in first six seasons: 62 (regular season only)[40]
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)[41]
Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons[42]
Most road playoff wins by a quarterback: 7
Most playoff wins by a quarterback in first five seasons: 9 (tied with Tom Brady)
One of only six quarterbacks (Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers) to pass for over 1,000 yards in a single postseason.
Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)[32]
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)[33]
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason[3]
Most consecutive playoff games with three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)
Fastest quarterback to record 5 touchdowns in a game: 16 minutes
Only quarterback to start a playoff game in six of his first seven seasons
Ravens franchise records
Most Consecutive Starts by a quarterback - 112
Most Career Passing Yards - 25,531[43]
Most Career Pass Attempts - 3,658
Most Pass Attempts in a Single Season - 614 (2013)
Most Career Pass Completions - 2,213[43]
Most Pass Completions in a Single Season - 362 (2013)
Most Career Passing Touchdowns - 148[43]
Most regular season wins - 72[43]
Most postseason wins - 10[43]
Most consecutive pass completions: 14 vs. Denver Broncos (November 1, 2009)[43]
Most passing yards in a playoff game (331 in 2013 vs Denver Broncos)[43]
Most 3,000 passing yard seasons, career - 6
Most consecutive seasons, 3,000 yards passing – 6 (2009-2014)
Most 300+ Passing yard games in career by a starting QB - 16[43]
Highest completion percentage, career - 60.5%
Highest completion percentage in a single season - 63.1% (2009) (in 16 starts)[43]
Highest Quarterback Rating, Career - 84.8[43]
Highest single season quarterback rating — 93.6 (2010)[43]
Most Times Sacked in a career for Starting QB - 241[43]
Fewest interceptions in a regular season by starting QB — 4 (2012) (16 starts)[43]
Most career 4th quarter comeback wins - 14[43]
Most 4th quarter comeback wins in a single season - 4 (2012)
Most career game winning drives - 21[43]
Most game winning drives in a single season - 4 (2010) (Tied with Elvis Grbac)[43]
Here is a list of active NFL QBs I'd rather have than Joe Flacco, in no particular order:
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlesberger (and I hate him)
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Cam Newton (and I hate him)
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Andrew Luck
Here's a list I'd consider because they're all younger than Flacco:
Teddy Bridgewater
Ryan Tannehill
Matthew Stafford
Colin Kaepernick (begrudgingly)
Here's a list of recently retired QBs I'd take over him:
Brett Favre
Additionally, note Andy Dalton is nowhere on this list. He's terrible. I hate the he's the QB of the horrible team I cheer for and has a horrible contract that is all Flacco's horrible contract's fault.
cincydooley wrote: Here is a list of active NFL QBs I'd rather have than Joe Flacco, in no particular order:
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlesberger
Eli Manning I wouldn't want him, unless I'm specifically in a playoff situation, since, ironically, the dude kinda sucks in regular season, but is able to flip a swtich and seemingly beat anyone in the playoffs
Matt Ryan lol...... just.... lol. He's seriously the WORST QB in NFL Playoffs history, statistically speaking
Andrew Luck
Here's a list I'd consider because they're all younger than Flacco:
Matthew Stafford
Here's a list of recently retired QBs I'd take over him:
28 hours! While having a bye is obviously great for the team. Playoff bye weeks suck butt.
What's the feeling like down in ratbird country byte? Up here everyone is fairly nervous but understands if the pats can't beat the 6 seed at home they weren't winning the Super Bowl anyways. I'm fairly confident this will go the pats way and the more I think about it the more glad I am weee going to be tested this week.
Aye, should be a great game. Ravens always like the hard way so everything is perfect. Of course its going to take "shock the world" effort. Like it always is for the Ravens. lol!
Haha yah. It's gonna be about 15degrees at kickoff. I get to help build a barn from 9:30-whenever in 19 degree high temps then get some wings and relax for the game. Soo pumped.
Secondary thought. Everytime I see Aaron Rodgers highlights I'm shocked at his arm strength/ease of throwing motion... I've seen him play a couple dozen times or so." And more with highlight video and it gets me everytime.
cincydooley wrote: Here is a list of active NFL QBs I'd rather have than Joe Flacco, in no particular order:
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlesberger (and I hate him)
Tony Romo
Eli Manning
Cam Newton (and I hate him)
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Andrew Luck
I'd possibly have an issue with Eli and Cam, but otherwise yeah...I'd take all those guys over Flacco. You can talk about number of wins, etc., but that's a team stat and the Ravens do a good job of NOT putting too much on Flacco. There are reasons why the offense he runs is so simplistic. Put him on a team without a good defense and running game, and it'd get ugly.
Cripes, look at his completion percentage...he's barely a 60% passer for his career and had three straight seasons sub-60. You can say that's because he's throwing more deep passes, but that isn't really supported by his YPA, which was a pedestrian 6.4 last season.
cant get too high! 2 moderately big injuries today in Stork our center and Browner. Still can't believe the patriots were able to overcome their playoff nemesis AND the refs to go to their 9th AFCC in the last 14 years. Really nice to see Brady spread it around really well again. The pass by Edelman to Amendola was soo boss, the party I was at EXPLODED with screaming it was so fun. One of the most intense games I've ever watched!
So pumped up right now I probably won't sleep well ;p
Kubiak made Forsett a 1300 yard back. Dude should definately keep his job if he doesn't get another head coaching job.
As to mcdaniels for what it's worth Peter king said he believes mcdaniels will not take a head coaching job and will stay with the patriots. I'd like to see mcdaniels get another head job no it I fear for what we'd have replacing him.
Edit:@Whembly Amendola was the hero of the game today. He's really been doing much better since they let him start doing kickoffs.
Agreed, dude has been pretty good when they've needed him to be.
So since seattle and NE have won today it puts GB and denver on high alert tomorrow. Since pretty much every year for the past 15+ has seen one of the 4 top seeds lose this weekend. I think only 1 or 2 years haven't seen a top seed upset. My bet is on Dallas upsetting GB.
I am feeling very happy with my Seahawks right now. North Carolina made some very impressive drives but they just couldn't capitalize. Seattle, on the other hand, made some amazing plays. I really want to see them in the Superbowl this year.
Breotan wrote: I am feeling very happy with my Seahawks right now. North Carolina made some very impressive drives but they just couldn't capitalize. Seattle, on the other hand, made some amazing plays. I really want to see them in the Superbowl this year.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yikes! Rex Ryan to the bills? Think about how terrifying that defense is going to be....
Probably not this year, but next season (the one starting in 2016) as he needs to clean house some, and get players more to his liking, as is the norm almost any time a new coach comes in.
He walked into NYJ and immediately made that defense that was good, much better. I think starting next year buffalo is gonna have a top 3 defense. Although there will probably be some shuffling. And frankly it won't matter if they can't get the offense at least somewhat settled and operating efficiently. But last time Rex had this much talent he went to 2 straight AFCC games.
Pats I has always been able to pull a scheme out when he needs to. His brother in SD is the same. Occasionally they scheme a brilliant plan. And the blue print to beat Peyton is well established.
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Chancetragedy wrote: Pats I has always been able to pull a scheme out when he needs to. His brother in SD is the same. Occasionally they scheme a brilliant plan. And the blue print to beat Peyton is well established.
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Lol! I was just talking about that here. Yes! Go Colts! Beat Pats!
Can't wait walrus! Gonna be a helluva game next Sunday. Andrew luck is really emerging and it's gonna be brutal seeing him take over the AFC soon as Brady is done. Since I still hold bad feelings for the colts from over the years ;p
Anyone else feel weird when the broadcasters pause and take a minute or two to focus on a defense or offense at the beginning of the game and they recite their names and what college they went to? I feel like you can always tell who has had the most head trauma in those lineups.
After watching that game, the NFL's rules regarding punt returns need to be revisited. It might be time to bring back something like the halo in a different form, because this is nonsense. Returners are almost as vulnerable as kickers and punters.
dogma wrote: It might be time to bring back something like the halo in a different form, because this is nonsense. Returners are almost as vulnerable as kickers and punters.
I don't think the rules need to be revisited, they need to be fething enforced.... that thing you posted was rough.
IMO, the offensive lines are moving far, far too much these days for me, and the officiating has definitely gotten more lax on holding calls on the offensive lines.... they seem to never call it when it "doesnt matter" but as soon as its potentially game changing, they pull the flags out for the most minor infraction.
dogma wrote: After watching that game, the NFL's rules regarding punt returns need to be revisited. It might be time to bring back something like the halo in a different form, because this is nonsense. Returners are almost as vulnerable as kickers and punters.
I totally agree... I'm surprised we haven't seen even more serious injuries for that.
Not sure what would be the fix, but because this is the NFL... they'll likely feth that up too.
I don't understand what the problem is? Cribbs could have fair caught it and not gotten hit... So unless he called for a fair catch and still got hit he knew exactly what he was getting into.
Chancetragedy wrote: I don't understand what the problem is? Cribbs could have fair caught it and not gotten hit... So unless he called for a fair catch and still got hit he knew exactly what he was getting into.
I agree. He needs to have the situational awareness to realize he's not getting any return yards on either of these punts and fair catch it. His pride/overconfidence seemed to be the problem.
Can Rodgers beat Seattle? Because I don't foresee the pack holding Wilson/lynch in check. I think he's good enough if healthy but with a hurt leg is that line good enough to hold up for him?
I don't know who I'd rather see win that game. I think the packers are a better matchup for New England but I also think a healthy Rodgers can beat us again. I feel like the Patriots at least have a decent chance of beating Seattle or GB though. That's all if they get through Luck and the Colts which isn't a given by any means.
I'm torn in that one. On one hand by rule it's not a catch. On the hand if you ignore rules and just count a catch on whether or a not a recieved caught it by just using that metric it seems like a catch to me. And that may seem convuluted or explained wrong idk.
Chancetragedy wrote: I don't understand what the problem is? Cribbs could have fair caught it and not gotten hit... So unless he called for a fair catch and still got hit he knew exactly what he was getting into.
Thing is, the Letter of the law, or RAW if you'd prefer.... a receiver of a kick is to have that "halo" whether he calls for a fair catch or not. Which is why I said earlier, I think the NFL refs just need to call the penalty for what it is.... There have been plays earlier this season where a guy didn't fair catch it, did NOT have his halo infringed on, and was still crushed by a hit, because the DB has a great "launching" move that covers that 1-2 yards in the blink of an eye.
Entire staff of the Denver Broncos have been fired... Whoops
Eh.... What I just saw on ESPN (which is kind of turning into the Fox News of the Sports world) that apparently Peyton played "the past month" with a torn quad.... Reports on, IIRC, CBS and other sports media was that one was "pulled" (yeah yeah.. I know, that's just a very minor tear, but still), and the other a "deep bruise"
...So, based on that, I also saw on ESPN that news about Fox... but it appears that, as of right now it's just Fox (though, I would bet that most of the coaching staff will follow suit when the new guy comes in)
Jay glazer (imo the gold standard of accurate reports) has tweeted it's the whole staff. Now that's not to say some of them might be back. Especially like gace. But as it stands reports out now of it being the whole staff. Interesting situation I guess they really were "all in" on this year. My guess is manning retires now.
God I hope so... that dude has put his body through so much gak.
Honestly, I hope that when he hangs up the pads, he picks up a clipboard... the guy is too damn smart to be a commentator/ "expert analyst". He seriously needs to be a coach.
God I hope so... that dude has put his body through so much gak.
Honestly, I hope that when he hangs up the pads, he picks up a clipboard... the guy is too damn smart to be a commentator/ "expert analyst". He seriously needs to be a coach.
Yes because that's exactly what I want in a coach. Someone who buckles under a slightly adverse situation. Peyton should just go away and enjoy his money.
Thing is, the Letter of the law, or RAW if you'd prefer.... a receiver of a kick is to have that "halo" whether he calls for a fair catch or not. Which is why I said earlier, I think the NFL refs just need to call the penalty for what it is.... There have been plays earlier this season where a guy didn't fair catch it, did NOT have his halo infringed on, and was still crushed by a hit, because the DB has a great "launching" move that covers that 1-2 yards in the blink of an eye.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yes because that's exactly what I want in a coach. Someone who buckles under a slightly adverse situation. Peyton should just go away and enjoy his money.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yes because that's exactly what I want in a coach. Someone who buckles under a slightly adverse situation. Peyton should just go away and enjoy his money.
Com'n that's a little harsh.
And not very reflective of reality. It is emotional though, so it has that going for it.
Thing is, the Letter of the law, or RAW if you'd prefer.... a receiver of a kick is to have that "halo" whether he calls for a fair catch or not. Which is why I said earlier, I think the NFL refs just need to call the penalty for what it is.... There have been plays earlier this season where a guy didn't fair catch it, did NOT have his halo infringed on, and was still crushed by a hit, because the DB has a great "launching" move that covers that 1-2 yards in the blink of an eye.
Which, if we assume is true, still has nothing to do with his knowledge of the game. Not performing physically well in post-season doesn't mean that the strategy isn't accurate, and few people are better at understanding the game. He probably should have retired as it seems all he has left between time and injury are fits and starts of his old self, physically. His body may not be 100% NFL anymore but his mind still is. He will probably make a great Offensive Coordinator and/or coach given half a chance.
Which, if we assume is true, still has nothing to do with his knowledge of the game. Not performing physically well in post-season doesn't mean that the strategy isn't accurate, and few people are better at understanding the game. He probably should have retired as it seems all he has left between time and injury are fits and starts of his old self, physically. His body may not be 100% NFL anymore but his mind still is. He will probably make a great Offensive Coordinator and/or coach given half a chance.
If we're to judge by some previous QBs turned coaches (John Harbaugh), Peyton probably wouldn't do too badly as a coach. I would say though, directly after retirement, he needs to work in College or lower, at least for a few years, to let the guys he played with/against move along, as respect may be an issue. (though if he's specifically a QB coach to start off with, that interaction, particularly with defenses or other positions is mitigated)
Chancetragedy wrote:Can't wait walrus! Gonna be a helluva game next Sunday. Andrew luck is really emerging and it's gonna be brutal seeing him take over the AFC soon as Brady is done. Since I still hold bad feelings for the colts from over the years ;p
It's okay man, haters gonna hate.
Seriously though, should be a showdown with how well the Colts are playing, and how lackluster the Pats defense looked against the Ravens.
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Chancetragedy wrote: I don't understand what the problem is? Cribbs could have fair caught it and not gotten hit... So unless he called for a fair catch and still got hit he knew exactly what he was getting into.
I agree. He needs to have the situational awareness to realize he's not getting any return yards on either of these punts and fair catch it. His pride/overconfidence seemed to be the problem.
What's even worse was that was his second questionable catch of the game We get it dude, you can run it back well, but for safety's sake call a fair catch once in a while.
And now John Fox is out of Denver. Can't help but feel it is quite similar to the Harbaugh situation in San Fran. Great coach swept away by unrealistically crushing expectations. Think the Broncos' time as Super Bowl contenders is at an end.
curran12 wrote: And now John Fox is out of Denver. Can't help but feel it is quite similar to the Harbaugh situation in San Fran. Great coach swept away by unrealistically crushing expectations. Think the Broncos' time as Super Bowl contenders is at an end.
Well, at least in Denver, it seems as though Fox himself felt that he'd done all he could, and so it was much more of a mutual agreement to leave. In San Fran, I definitely got the feeling that Harbaugh was gone, even if he won the Super Bowl
Reports coming out the jets have hired Todd Bowles. That seems like a pretty good hire for them. He's clearly a good defensive mind to keep them stabilized on one side of the ball. If they can get a good OC and a decent performance out whatever corpse of a QB they roll out they might be ok. Looks like the AFCE is a defensive division.
Chancetragedy wrote: Reports coming out the jets have hired Todd Bowles. That seems like a pretty good hire for them. He's clearly a good defensive mind to keep them stabilized on one side of the ball. If they can get a good OC and a decent performance out whatever corpse of a QB they roll out they might be ok. Looks like the AFCE is a defensive division.
Their QB situation is dire. Agreed about bowels being a good choice.
Arizona experienced the particular leagues greatest record right up until three weeks ago. However, if your own offense only creates 57 yards the pretty negative.
Lol! 4 guys have been arrested like 20 minutes from me for counterfeit AFCC game tickets, whoops!
Also I officially haven't listened to sports radio for 3 days and counting because of the attitude by the hosts about this game. So many people saying pats gonna win big and can't lose its freaking me out. How can you say a team can't lose in an AFCC? Jesus guys get your heads out your anuses!
Chancetragedy wrote: Lol! 4 guys have been arrested like 20 minutes from me for counterfeit AFCC game tickets, whoops!
Also I officially haven't listened to sports radio for 3 days and counting because of the attitude by the hosts about this game. So many people saying pats gonna win big and can't lose its freaking me out. How can you say a team can't lose in an AFCC? Jesus guys get your heads out your anuses!
It's easy to know if the Pat will win.
Do they have walkthru film of their opponent? Then YES!
