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Post by: Reavsie
Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
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Post by: Verviedi
A space marine's height? Is a Riptide box thin enough?
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Post by: Fango
Ha! 7 feet high, stacking boxes one on top of the other on their backs, can include one 'Realms of Battle' product...and various other restrictions... 3 people will get a 'golden ticket' with their online order of at least 65$ US between now and March something (5th?) Excludes all of Australia and New Zealand...because GW hates them,
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
 Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
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Post by: His Master's Voice
You're not kidding.
GW is doing a promotion.
The End Times truly are upon us.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Fango wrote:
Ha! 7 feet high, stacking boxes one on top of the other on their backs, can include one 'Realms of Battle' product...and various other restrictions... 3 people will get a 'golden ticket' with their online order of at least 65$ US between now and March something (5th?) Excludes all of Australia and New Zealand...because GW hates them,
7 Feet?
Please!
I'm insisting on an Armored Space Marine Height's worth - ADB Night Lords version too, so 3 meters my friend, 3 meters!!!
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Post by: Azreal13
They're giving 210cm worth away.
I'm 197cm, so I'm now fairly certain I could have been an impressive Space Marine!
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Post by: Alpharius
Once again GW shows they don't even know their own Fluff! 
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Post by: Wise Guy Sam
GW have alienated so many of their customers you have a pretty good chance of winning too.
...unless you are me :(
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Post by: Steve steveson
Interesting to see they are making changes. I'm not likely to order anything soon, but it will be interesting what we see next. We have had discounts, stuff in WD, now a competition. Unfortunately I think whatever they do will not be enough for some. For me it's interesting but not what would get me buying more, but it's nice to see changes being made.
No, they have proven the 1 footers correct! (Those who point to the scale on Jes Goodwins picture starting at 1 rather than 0) 
 Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Good thing US law dosn't apply in the UK then.
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Post by: Ratius
Time to buy that Tyrannocyte so.....
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Post by: ironicsilence
I'm sad that GW officially put a nail in the 9 foot tall space marine theories
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Post by: Ashiraya
This 7' madness is clearly in-universe propaganda.
Tau propaganda. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not as long as 'there is no canon' is a thing. 
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Post by: agnosto
Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Lotteries
The FCC has defined a lottery as “any game, contest or promotion that combines the elements of prize, chance and consideration.” Federal law generally prohibits the broadcast of any advertisement or information concerning a lottery. Advertisements or information about the following activities, however, are permitted:
lotteries conducted by a state acting under the authority of state law, where the advertisement or information is broadcast by a radio or television station licensed to a location in that state or in any other state that conducts such a lottery;
gambling conducted by an Indian tribe pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act; or
lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state in which they are conducted, are conducted by a not-for-profit or governmental organization, or are conducted as a promotional activity by a commercial organization and are clearly occasional and ancillary to the primary business of that organization.
Occasional...... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Post by: Commander Cain
Now that is actually an awesome little competition!
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Post by: Padre
Fango wrote: Excludes all of Australia and New Zealand...because GW hates them,
QFT!!!
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Post by: Turalon
Sounds interesting and I want to jump in it, but it may not be legally binding if you win.
/Legalese rant (note I only know law in Canada my line of work relates to business contracts)
In point 4 it states "...The winners will receive the prize within a reasonable time period after claiming their prize."
In Canadian law, a reasonable time is considered too vague of wording to make a binding contract on an offer and would warrant the offer void if the plaintiff tried to make a claim on the reward. So if you win the prize and want GW to mail you the reward and they say they'll send it as in their agreement (online contest rules) but wait, you cannot make a legal claim against them as they did not indicate a delivery date. Ref. Beacock v. Wetter 2006 BCSC aff'd 2008 BCCA.
In all good faith though, I think they would uphold the contest as not to look totally evil.
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Post by: Ruglud
I thought this was an early Aprils Fool, apparently not...
Terms and Conditions
1. Entry is free to all eligible users of the Promoter's website who place an order of £40 or more.
2. To be entered, orders must be received between 7pm (UK time) Friday 30th January and midnight (UK time) Sunday 1st March 2015.
3. 5 randomly selected orders will contain a winning Golden Ticket along with details of how to claim the prize.
4. Each winner will receive a Space Marine’s height (210cm) in Citadel miniatures shipped to them free of charge. Height of a product is measured by laying the boxed product on its back. The winners will receive the prize within a reasonable time period after claiming their prize.
5. Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.gamesworkshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
6. No cash alternatives will be offered for any of the prizes available. Prizes cannot be returned or exchanged unless faulty.
7. Prizes must be claimed before the end of March 2015.
8. By claiming a prize, winners agree that the Promoter can use their name, place of residence (in the format Rob W of Nottingham, UK) and details of their prize for advertising and promotional purposes. Details of all winners may be published on www.gamesworkshop.com.
9. Only residents of the Countries listed below are eligible to enter this prize draw. Entries from trade partners or employees of the Promoter, their families, agents or any other person connected with the administration of this competition will not be considered. Orders placed by trade partners using the Direct Through Trade service are not eligible for entry. Orders placed through the Australian webstore will not be entered into the competition.
10. The Promoter reserves the right to vary any of these terms and conditions without notice. In such event the Promoter will make reasonable efforts to communicate any change with entrants.
11. The Promoter’s judges' decision is final and no correspondence will be entered into.
12. These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding.
Promoter: Games Workshop Limited, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham NG7 2WS
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand.
Data Protection
Games Workshop Ltd is registered as a Data Controller in the United Kingdom under the Data Protection Act 1998 ("the Act"). The data given as part of this competition will be held and processed under the terms of the Act and in accordance with our duties to the Information Commissioner. We may use that data for communication, administration of the competition, and security purposes.
We will not sell, share or give any information given to us as part of this competition to anyone outside the Games Workshop group of companies without your explicit consent or unless the law permits or requires us to do so. By submitting your personal information you consent to the processing of your personal data as set out above and you confirm that the information is accurate and complete.
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Post by: Torga_DW
I never realized space marines were so short. Take off the armour (which would be adding several inches in height) and they're not much taller than i am. I always thought they were 7' *before* putting the armour on.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Thats the problem with scales and GW, they have no fething idea how it works...
Also maybe i'm blind as a freakin bat, but i don't see anywhere what a "promoter" really is...
i mean are you eligible if you order online from home?
Or if your FLGS order it to GW for you?
Or you absolutly have to do it from a GW shop?
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Post by: Verviedi
To the GW store, to buy some Tac Marines...
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
I would so love to win this. And ask for EVERY SISTERS MODEL THEY STILL HAVE. They have no box anymore, so…
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Sucks when you want to do business in the US...US law always applies...
The lottery issue is a significant one, you can look through the case law relating to it - not to mention State Attorney general complaints (and settlements). I think the last thing GW needs to do is get slapped with 50 or so lawsuits from the various AGs regarding illegal lotteries - with no mention of the potential of a Federal probe.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/10/ny_cvs.html
 agnosto wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Lotteries
The FCC has defined a lottery as “any game, contest or promotion that combines the elements of prize, chance and consideration.” Federal law generally prohibits the broadcast of any advertisement or information concerning a lottery. Advertisements or information about the following activities, however, are permitted:
lotteries conducted by a state acting under the authority of state law, where the advertisement or information is broadcast by a radio or television station licensed to a location in that state or in any other state that conducts such a lottery;
gambling conducted by an Indian tribe pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act; or
lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state in which they are conducted, are conducted by a not-for-profit or governmental organization, or are conducted as a promotional activity by a commercial organization and are clearly occasional and ancillary to the primary business of that organization.
Occasional...... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The important part there is the "or lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state". Most states prohibit these sorts of lotteries. If they are not prohibited, then a commercial organization could do it...but only if they are not already prohibited by state law.
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Post by: ninjafiredragon
Too bad it requires me purchasing 60$ worth of stuff.
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Post by: Azreal13
Even I'm not sure if I'm joking or not when I say this, but maybe they retconned the height of a SM to keep the value of the prize down?
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Post by: Snrub
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand.
What? Too expensive to ship down here, eh?
Well it's official. GW are witches.
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Post by: Dropbear Victim
7 feet sounds abit short even for heroic scale. What did they do? Measure a space marine model against a guardsmen and assume the guard is around 5' 4" ?
Fango wrote:Excludes all of Australia and New Zealand...because GW hates them,
It's Okay. The feelings mutual.
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Post by: agnosto
Sean_OBrien wrote:
Sucks when you want to do business in the US...US law always applies...
The lottery issue is a significant one, you can look through the case law relating to it - not to mention State Attorney general complaints (and settlements). I think the last thing GW needs to do is get slapped with 50 or so lawsuits from the various AGs regarding illegal lotteries - with no mention of the potential of a Federal probe.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/10/ny_cvs.html
agnosto wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Lotteries
The FCC has defined a lottery as “any game, contest or promotion that combines the elements of prize, chance and consideration.” Federal law generally prohibits the broadcast of any advertisement or information concerning a lottery. Advertisements or information about the following activities, however, are permitted:
lotteries conducted by a state acting under the authority of state law, where the advertisement or information is broadcast by a radio or television station licensed to a location in that state or in any other state that conducts such a lottery;
gambling conducted by an Indian tribe pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act; or
lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state in which they are conducted, are conducted by a not-for-profit or governmental organization, or are conducted as a promotional activity by a commercial organization and are clearly occasional and ancillary to the primary business of that organization.
Occasional...... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The important part there is the "or lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state". Most states prohibit these sorts of lotteries. If they are not prohibited, then a commercial organization could do it...but only if they are not already prohibited by state law.
Yeah, there're only a hand full of states where this is legal which is why, here in the US, it's always " no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law." Cute GW, you can just declare all the winners to be from the states where your little contest is illegal and just say "well, sorry gents I guess we can't send out those boxes after all...."
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Post by: insaniak
Fango wrote:Excludes all of Australia and New Zealand..,
Reavsie wrote:Thoughts?
feth you, GW?
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Post by: Absolutionis
I'd rather get a guaranteed 20%-30% off GW product rather than throw myself into some lottery. The entry fee for this is paying GW prices. I'm really surprised people actually think this promotional is worthwhile.
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Post by: Swabby
Does anyone know if preorder items would count towards this?
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Post by: Alpharius
 Azreal13 wrote:Even I'm not sure if I'm joking or not when I say this, but maybe they retconned the height of a SM to keep the value of the prize down?
You're the winner!
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Swabby wrote:Does anyone know if preorder items would count towards this?
They should, as earlier when I preordered the Troupe and Solitaire it tried to add a nonexistent item with no name and with "No Longer Available"/"Ships in 24 hours"(not allowing me to check out because of that, which was hilarious) to the order.
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Post by: Wrecker
Wait, so your telling me if I were to order from the website, being American, I may not be eligible to to receive the prize in the event, that by chance I got the "golden ticket" (Wiley wonka is playing in my head right now), due to the US and UK laws see differently? Hahahaha what ever happened to global enterprising? And Capitalism? I thought that we were buddies in this. Or is this some kind of grudge because of something else? ....and darn you Wiley Wonka! And you doughboys for your golden tickets! We all know that your still an empire! But that didn't help you when a few krauts came a knockin lol jk lol jk or am I?
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Post by: Dentry
You get nothing. You lose.
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Post by: streamdragon
I have wanted to pick up one of the new Verminlords and/or some Stormfiends...
who am I kidding, I'd never get them assembled anyway.
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Post by: agnosto
 Wrecker wrote:Wait, so your telling me if I were to order from the website, being American, I may not be eligible to to receive the prize in the event, that by chance I got the "golden ticket" (Wiley wonka is playing in my head right now), due to the US and UK laws see differently? Hahahaha what ever happened to global enterprising? And Capitalism? I thought that we were buddies in this. Or is this some kind of grudge because of something else? ....and darn you Wiley Wonka! And you doughboys for your golden tickets! We all know that your still an empire! But that didn't help you when a few krauts came a knockin lol jk lol jk or am I?
If internet gambling is legal in your state (I.e. Nevada, New Jersey) you're golden...pun intended.
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Post by: AndrewC
Terms and Conditions
1. Entry is free to all eligible users of the Promoter's website who place an order of £40 or more.
2. To be entered, orders must be received between 7pm (UK time) Friday 30th January and midnight (UK time) Sunday 1st March 2015.
3. 5 randomly selected orders will contain a winning Golden Ticket along with details of how to claim the prize.
4. Each winner will receive a Space Marine’s height (210cm) in Citadel miniatures shipped to them free of charge. Height of a product is measured by laying the boxed product on its back. The winners will receive the prize within a reasonable time period after claiming their prize.
5. Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.gamesworkshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
6. No cash alternatives will be offered for any of the prizes available. Prizes cannot be returned or exchanged unless faulty.
7. Prizes must be claimed before the end of March 2015.
8. By claiming a prize, winners agree that the Promoter can use their name, place of residence (in the format Rob W of Nottingham, UK) and details of their prize for advertising and promotional purposes. Details of all winners may be published on www.gamesworkshop.com.
9. Only residents of the Countries listed below are eligible to enter this prize draw. Entries from trade partners or employees of the Promoter, their families, agents or any other person connected with the administration of this competition will not be considered. Orders placed by trade partners using the Direct Through Trade service are not eligible for entry. Orders placed through the Australian webstore will not be entered into the competition.
10. The Promoter reserves the right to vary any of these terms and conditions without notice. In such event the Promoter will make reasonable efforts to communicate any change with entrants.
11. The Promoter’s judges' decision is final and no correspondence will be entered into.
12. These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding.
Promoter: Games Workshop Limited, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham NG7 2WS
Countries: Worldwide excluding the Statesand Territories of Australia and New Zealand.
Data Protection
Games Workshop Ltd is registered as a Data Controller in the United Kingdom under the Data Protection Act 1998 ("the Act"). The data given as part of this competition will be held and processed under the terms of the Act and in accordance with our duties to the Information Commissioner. We may use that data for communication, administration of the competition, and security purposes.
We will not sell, share or give any information given to us as part of this competition to anyone outside the Games Workshop group of companies without your explicit consent or unless the law permits or requires us to do so. By submitting your personal information you consent to the processing of your personal data as set out above and you confirm that the information is accurate and complete.
Added a bold in there at the terms and conditions. Looks like GW loves the U.S. as much as the antipodes. Serves you right for not allowing GW to own Roman numerals and punishing their lawyer for lying to the court.
Cheers
Andrew
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Post by: Kanluwen
" The States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand" doesn't equate to "The United States of America".
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Post by: Wrecker
Nope it's just Australia and New Zealand, because believe it or not queen lime'o still runs an empire, only you guys call it a common wealth. Sense that's the case...(just an observation) New Zealand and Australia are looked down upon. Personally I think it's because they have better rugby teams but what do I know...
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Post by: AndrewC
Your right, reading comprehension fail on my behalf. Guess I should just go and get my beauty sleep then.
Cheers
Andrew
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Though technically still a part of the UK, I wonder what the postage would be for 7' worth of miniatures would be for down here?
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Post by: Lockark
I have to spend $80 CAD to get a entry into this.
sadly that isn't to hard with Canadian prices.
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Post by: Snrub
I'd like to find out why they won't ship down here.
I'm guessing because of shipping costs... But you never can tell with GeeDubs.
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Post by: insaniak
 Snrub wrote:I'd like to find out why they won't ship down here.
I'm guessing because of shipping costs... But you never can tell with GeeDubs.
Shipping costs shouldn't be an issue, since they could just ship from the Oz warehouse.
I'd love to know how many emails from cranky customers they get over this. Would have staved off a certain amount of criticism if they had just stated the reason in the comp rules... But I can't help but wonder if they didn't expect us to even know about it due to it not being on the Oz GW site.
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Post by: Computron
They have no idea how anything works! For feth's sake, they use their business model as inspiration for how the Imperium operates, they even have a separate and more efficient arm that deals with manufacturing the complicated stuff.
Snrub wrote:I'd like to find out why they won't ship down here.
I'm guessing because of shipping costs... But you never can tell with GeeDubs.
Hardly a reason, if they can't shell out an extra hundred or so to send this way then something's wrong. There's only five winning tickets after all.
Oz is bigger than us so I can't speak for you, but at this stage it would be better for the hobby here for GW to close up the last of its shops. Let us become an unregulated market where we can order from anywhere, where shops can stock whatever they feel might sell. I don't get the aggression shown to such a small market.
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Post by: ImAGeek
I'm not being funny, and I don't like a lot of what GW does as much as the next guy, but this is quite a substantial prize and I'm surprised at the amount of 'a space marine should be taller than that!' Going on. 2.1metres tall of models not enough?
The fact they're excluding Aus and NZ however...
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
My response when someone mentioned about this competition in the Harlequin thread:
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Post by: Stormonu
Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize.
Well, there goes half the new items on the website...
So...Australia & NZ can't enter, US looks iffy...
Good Job GW!
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Post by: Relapse
 Stormonu wrote:
Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize.
Well, there goes half the new items on the website...
So...Australia & NZ can't enter, US looks iffy...
Good Job GW!
It says worldwide except for OZ and NZ. If it wasn't allowed in the U.S. it wouldn't be on the U.S. website.
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Post by: alphaecho
So, the fact that they don't make true scale marines has worked in their favour. Wouldn't a Space Marine model scaled up only be that tall?
As for the non-availability for Australia and New Zealand, could such a comp be illegal there as others say it is for the US? If not, surely the prize could be put together from stock already located down there?
If the comp IS illegal in the US, isn't that the US's fault rather than GW's?
GW do however remain fully responsible for stupid prices and dodgy business decisions.
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Post by: kb305
if i win can they post all of it on ebay for me?
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Post by: alphaecho
kb305 wrote:if i win can they post all of it on ebay for me?
No.
The invisible Faustian small print means that in 5 years time you have to prove its still sitting in a cupboard with all your other unfinished projects.
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Post by: insaniak
alphaecho wrote:
As for the non-availability for Australia and New Zealand, could such a comp be illegal there as others say it is for the US?
Since they have an Australian shopfront on the website, yes, that's most likely the problem. Australia has fairly strict laws governing these sorts of competitions, and in one state they can't require a purchase... You used to see lots of ' collect tokens off the packet ' style competitions here that had a note in the rules allowing residents of South Australia to send in a hand -drawn picture of the pack instead of tokens. These days, it's more common to see ' games of skill' where you call a million -dollars -per minute phone line and answer a stupid question rather than having to buy something.
If that's the case, though, a simple "sorry, local laws mean we can't run this competition in Australia " would have gone over much better than the current "Nope, feth off" they ran with instead.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Or you don't. Marines are 7 feet tall. In armour.
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Post by: -Loki-
People that don't think 7' tall is big have never seen someone who is 7' tall.
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Post by: Torga_DW
ImAGeek wrote:I'm not being funny, and I don't like a lot of what GW does as much as the next guy, but this is quite a substantial prize and I'm surprised at the amount of 'a space marine should be taller than that!' Going on. 2.1metres tall of models not enough?
The fact they're excluding Aus and NZ however...
I'm less interested in the reward and more in the scaling of marine physiology.
-Loki- wrote:People that don't think 7' tall is big have never seen someone who is 7' tall.
Now crop his image several inches on either side because he should be wearing power armour to reach that height. Platform shoes, disco flares, power plant, the armour adds a bit of bulk. Isn't the armour like an inch thick of ceramite or something? 7' without armour is tall. 7' with exaggerated bulky armour is.... not so big. It does suddenly make catachans look more realistically scaled though.
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Post by: Herzlos
They've always let you buy from the webstore, get it delivered to a GW store and then return any bits you don't want, no questions asked. I've done it with a few regretted impulse purchases. Might want to check there's no ticket in there first though  Automatically Appended Next Post:  ImAGeek wrote:I'm not being funny, and I don't like a lot of what GW does as much as the next guy, but this is quite a substantial prize and I'm surprised at the amount of 'a space marine should be taller than that!' Going on. 2.1metres tall of models not enough?
I think it's more than it's usual GW; great idea but terrible execution. Competition only runs for 53 hours* over the weekend - anyone who only uses internet from work/school will find the competition has ended before they knew about it. Seems to only apply to the webstore, potentially not legal in one of the main markets. Vague delivery schedule.
*Why would they do this? I mean, it looks like they've just started ripping off Warlord Games wholesale, who ran a similar competition (buy anything online in January and enter a draw for £250 in vouchers). My thoughts are either: [a] they don't actually want people to enter, but that's slowed as they're giving out 5 prizes anyway, or [b] they really need a quick cash boost before Monday (maybe they need to pay for the 9th Ed WHF books).
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Post by: BrookM
They've probably excluded Australia and New Zealand because it would be a $20 local currency purchase for them to be entitled to entering the raffle. 
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Post by: Wrecker
Is no one seeing this?
Or are we all hoping to be
Either way, I will keep my
(  )
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Post by: Schlyne
Ok, about the US thing...I was told about this from the local GW store manager...and I'm in nebraska.
As far as things like going to gamble in a casino...you can't do that in this state (Unless it's a tribal casino), you have to go across the border into iowa.
Too bad for the LOTR/HOBBIT players...nothing in that line can be won as a prize, also citadel products, audiobooks and publications..
So, no books, no filling up on hobby knives and paints and stuff
And it looks like you can only pick one realm of battle table...
reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities
I think they might have an issue if you figured out what the slimmest, most expensive model there is, and then asked for as many of them as you could get
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Post by: SilverMK2
Is there anything on gw's site that is less than £40 anyway? Pretty sure even a pot of paint is almost that much these days!
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Post by: Kirasu
Hm so space marines are about 6 feet tall without armor.. Good job GW.
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Post by: Jadenim
Herzlos wrote:
I think it's more than it's usual GW; great idea but terrible execution. Competition only runs for 53 hours* over the weekend - anyone who only uses internet from work/school will find the competition has ended before they knew about it. Seems to only apply to the webstore, potentially not legal in one of the main markets. Vague delivery schedule.
*Why would they do this? I mean, it looks like they've just started ripping off Warlord Games wholesale, who ran a similar competition (buy anything online in January and enter a draw for £250 in vouchers). My thoughts are either: [a] they don't actually want people to enter, but that's slowed as they're giving out 5 prizes anyway, or [b] they really need a quick cash boost before Monday (maybe they need to pay for the 9th Ed WHF books).
Err, the rules I'm reading say that it's open until midnight on 1st March, that's a lot longer than 53 hours.
Time to figure out what direct only stuff I had on my wish list; £40 of stuff I couldn't buy elsewhere anyway for the chance to win a shed load of models sounds reasonable to me.
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Post by: Talys
 Absolutionis wrote:I'd rather get a guaranteed 20%-30% off GW product rather than throw myself into some lottery. The entry fee for this is paying GW prices. I'm really surprised people actually think this promotional is worthwhile.
It's kind of cool, actually
Once in a while, I buy from GW's website just for a few direct-only items, and may top up with a solo model that my FLGS doesn't happen to have on hand (like a Farseer). You need to order $80 or more to get the free shipping anyhow (Canadian).
In principle, of course, I agree: better to take the 20%-30% than a lottery ticket. I'm just saying that occasionally, there is a need to order something rom the web store anyhow.
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Post by: Kirasu
There is only a need to order from the webstore because people keep ordering "direct only items"... which makes GW pull them from FLGS in order to gouge you on labeling them "direct only"..
Just ask Showcase comics how this works :p
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Post by: agnosto
It's a great idea, just poorly executed; it's almost as if....naw, there's no way that GW secretly owns Mantic....or is there?
So, for you UK types. How is GW getting around the Gambling Act of 2005:
. As a general rule, a good linked to a promotion charged at a price that bears little relation either to its cost of production or to comparable products may mean the promotion will be challenged as an illegal lottery.
*note, I'm kidding here.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Wrecker wrote:Wait, so your telling me if I were to order from the website, being American, I may not be eligible to to receive the prize in the event, that by chance I got the "golden ticket" (Wiley wonka is playing in my head right now), due to the US and UK laws see differently? Hahahaha what ever happened to global enterprising? And Capitalism? I thought that we were buddies in this. Or is this some kind of grudge because of something else? ....and darn you Wiley Wonka! And you doughboys for your golden tickets! We all know that your still an empire! But that didn't help you when a few krauts came a knockin lol jk lol jk or am I?
Nope.
What I am saying is that GW is quite likely doing something a good bit illegal. Not allowing you to win would be even more illegal. Not letting you enter without the purchase is the illegal part, not the contest in and of itself.
We have sweepstakes all the time, all over the US. The difference is that there needs to be a form of some sort that provides equal opportunity to win the prize without actually making the purchase. The purchase moves the contest from a sweepstakes to a lottery.
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Post by: Herzlos
 Jadenim wrote:Herzlos wrote:
I think it's more than it's usual GW; great idea but terrible execution. Competition only runs for 53 hours* over the weekend - anyone who only uses internet from work/school will find the competition has ended before they knew about it. Seems to only apply to the webstore, potentially not legal in one of the main markets. Vague delivery schedule.
*Why would they do this? I mean, it looks like they've just started ripping off Warlord Games wholesale, who ran a similar competition (buy anything online in January and enter a draw for £250 in vouchers). My thoughts are either: [a] they don't actually want people to enter, but that's slowed as they're giving out 5 prizes anyway, or [b] they really need a quick cash boost before Monday (maybe they need to pay for the 9th Ed WHF books).
Err, the rules I'm reading say that it's open until midnight on 1st March, that's a lot longer than 53 hours.
Time to figure out what direct only stuff I had on my wish list; £40 of stuff I couldn't buy elsewhere anyway for the chance to win a shed load of models sounds reasonable to me.
Yeah you're right. I was on the Internet too early this morning.
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Post by: Relapse
This reminds me of the competitions they used to have yearly back in the early 80's and 90's where entrants had a chance of winning one of every boxed set GW made. It made quit a nice pile, but this contest is better because you can build a couple decent armies out of the prize.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Tempting as this is, I'll have to pass. I already have quite the backlog of stuff (who doesn't?!)
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Post by: Hivefleet Kara'don
Relapse wrote:This reminds me of the competitions they used to have yearly back in the early 80's and 90's where entrants had a chance of winning one of every boxed set GW made. It made quit a nice pile, but this contest is better because you can build a couple decent armies out of the prize.
I remember this Comp well. You had to fill in a customer survey which came in White Dwarf. One of every box set was a pretty impressive site. I should know as my best friend at school won it
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Post by: Computron
 Schlyne wrote:
reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities
I think they might have an issue if you figured out what the slimmest, most expensive model there is, and then asked for as many of them as you could get
How do you define reasonable in a gaming/collecting situation? Someone might legitimately want x-number of some expensive item for a diorama. They already limited battle boards to a single piece.
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Post by: Ignatius-Grulgor
Computron wrote: Schlyne wrote:
reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities
I think they might have an issue if you figured out what the slimmest, most expensive model there is, and then asked for as many of them as you could get
How do you define reasonable in a gaming/collecting situation? Someone might legitimately want x-number of some expensive item for a diorama. They already limited battle boards to a single piece.
I think it's more a case of not asking for 7 feet of lord of skulls or the like, they're a very expensive kit in a surprisingly slim box, and since they clearly want to use this as PR of some form afterwards. Since they're asking permission to print your name etc, they probably don't want it to be a blatant case of ' lol this all going on ebay'.
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Post by: Relapse
Hivefleet Kara'don wrote:Relapse wrote:This reminds me of the competitions they used to have yearly back in the early 80's and 90's where entrants had a chance of winning one of every boxed set GW made. It made quit a nice pile, but this contest is better because you can build a couple decent armies out of the prize.
I remember this Comp well. You had to fill in a customer survey which came in White Dwarf. One of every box set was a pretty impressive site. I should know as my best friend at school won it
I'll be betting that was quite the celebration when he won that. Do you remember how many boxes that ended up being?
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Post by: Medium of Death
The height of the space marine made me rage a little.
Is everybody in GW HQ a dwarf?
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Post by: Oaka
At this point it would be in GW's best interest to allow anything for the winner. It would be like the old Nickolodeon Toy Runs of yore.
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
So for the first time ever I was actually going to order some webstore exclusive stuff but they all seem to be "temporarily out of stock". Since they are Fantasy Battle items and Fantasy Battle is getting squatted I suppose I shouldn't expect to ever receive that email notifying me they are back in stock. Oh well, tried to give GW money but I guess they don't want it. Fair enough.
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Post by: carboncopy
Why does this feel like marketing that's a couple of decades old? It feels akin to the various "stuff your cart in 5 minutes" shopping sprees of the 80's to me.
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Post by: insaniak
carboncopy wrote:Why does this feel like marketing that's a couple of decades old? It feels akin to the various "stuff your cart in 5 minutes" shopping sprees of the 80's to me.
GW are stuck in the past with most of their business decisions, so that really shouldn't be surprising.
It's still a cool comp idea, though.
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Post by: Scrub
carboncopy wrote:Why does this feel like marketing that's a couple of decades old? It feels akin to the various "stuff your cart in 5 minutes" shopping sprees of the 80's to me.
You don't see many competitions like this any more, everything's a bloody ipad 'giveaway' these days! What would you prefer an ipad with all of their dataslates on it instead!?
And the Space Marine not being 8ft is probably because it's cheaper for GW! 
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Post by: Relapse
 insaniak wrote:carboncopy wrote:Why does this feel like marketing that's a couple of decades old? It feels akin to the various "stuff your cart in 5 minutes" shopping sprees of the 80's to me.
GW are stuck in the past with most of their business decisions, so that really shouldn't be surprising.
It's still a cool comp idea, though.
Seriously true. Trouble is, GW is beginning to give stuff away in contests again and people are complaining about the platter it's on.
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Post by: agnosto
Relapse wrote: insaniak wrote:carboncopy wrote:Why does this feel like marketing that's a couple of decades old? It feels akin to the various "stuff your cart in 5 minutes" shopping sprees of the 80's to me.
GW are stuck in the past with most of their business decisions, so that really shouldn't be surprising.
It's still a cool comp idea, though.
Seriously true. Trouble is, GW is beginning to give stuff away in contests again and people are complaining about the platter it's on.
Naw, it's more like people don't care about the gak they're peddling anymore so we're just making fun of them no matter what they do.
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Post by: Deadawake1347
My personal problem with it is the minimum purchase amount to get entered. It just seems like a blatantly obvious way to try and get people to spend a fair chunk of change in the likely vain hope of winning. If they were actually doing it as a promotion I think it would have just been any order between these two dates gets a chance, rather than one that has to be at least $65.
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Post by: Bottle
Wooo this is a nice idea! I would love to win. I would probably get a realm of battle and then one of every terrain kit, fantasy and 40k. And then probably dark vengence, and a 40k army (as I don't play 40k at the moment)... And then any space left over would go on more Empire kits!
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe?
But then again, 1) They don't know their own Fluff well, 2) Everything is canon! and 3) a shorter Space Marine = a smaller prize!
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Post by: Verviedi
Whenever I actually get the money from selling my Guard, I'm going to my local GW, buying a Land Raider, and asking the manager for his "1 Minute Shipping" option.
Because golden tickets.
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Post by: nettraper
think of it what you want, this is pretty solid for "sales"
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Post by: Hivefleet Kara'don
Relapse wrote:
I'll be betting that was quite the celebration when he won that. Do you remember how many boxes that ended up being?
I can't remember off the top of my head head but it was a LOT! I'm sure it was in the hundreds cause if I remember correctly it wasn't just boxes, it was products. So one of each Blister pack etc.
I do remember that it was rether annoying from a gamer point of view as he ended up with things like 1 small unit of Wood elf archers, 3 Dryads, 1 Glade guard, 1 Treeman, and 1 of each special character and dragon. and that was it for an army.
So if he wanted to actually play any of the games/armies he had to go out and spend a load of money to round out the army and he couldn't just ebay what he didn't want as this was in a time before the Internet. (god I sound old lol)
Cara
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Post by: Thorgrim Bloodcrow
That's cool, I hate winning piles of 40K stuff anyway. Not like I want to win any free stuff... >_>
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Post by: jamesk1973
They must be growing more desperate by the moment.
When was the last time Ferrari gave away a car for buying on of theirs?
High end luxury collectibles my ass.
Too many fools will buy into this, followed by another half year blip that will only prolong GWs last few gasps on life support.
Cut the cord. Let them die, no matter how much they beg. It is no longer a matter of them, fixing or improving themselves.
They are no longer worthy to possess their own IP.
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Post by: Talys
Deadawake1347 wrote:My personal problem with it is the minimum purchase amount to get entered. It just seems like a blatantly obvious way to try and get people to spend a fair chunk of change in the likely vain hope of winning. If they were actually doing it as a promotion I think it would have just been any order between these two dates gets a chance, rather than one that has to be at least $65.
The shipping kills you if you don't get a minimum order in anyhow, though. Unless you send it to a store, I guess.
But it's pretty easy to get to $65.
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Post by: SilverMK2
To be entirely fair, most of the IP they claim isn't actually theirs anyway
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Post by: TheKbob
I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.
I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
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Post by: jamesk1973
 TheKbob wrote:I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.
I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
Right. feth 'em
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Post by: Talys
TheKbob wrote:I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.
I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
Wow. So if you win a Samsung TV at a raffle, you have to pay tax on it?! That sounds crazy (not to mention, unenforceable). Are you sure that competitions like this are considered in the same way as registered lotteries?
In Canada, we pay no taxes on lottery winnings ^^
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Post by: MMDespot
With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK, in the worst case you can argue that it's not a lottery but rather a huge gift voucher. Please go ahead and read the contest. I'm going to participate because I went to order a Unit of tac marines and some safeguards (any suggestions for the weapons loading for an imperial fists army?) Thank you for reading.
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Post by: Bottle
Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!
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Post by: TheKbob
Talys wrote:
Wow. So if you win a Samsung TV at a raffle, you have to pay tax on it?! That sounds crazy (not to mention, unenforceable). Are you sure that competitions like this are considered in the same way as registered lotteries?
In Canada, we pay no taxes on lottery winnings ^^
Here's one link that discusses it, but prizes in the US are considered income regardless of their form (stuff, money, etc.). So when you see people winning big on game shows that isn't cash, they usually have the sell the item to pay the subsequent taxes on it!
Bottle wrote:Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!
Must be new here. GW has sucked so hard in the past few years that we're all pretty much beyond love or hate and now fall into a zone of bemused apathy towards their spiraling descent into mediocrity. Most fans get there someday, some sooner than others. We'll be here for yah...
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Post by: SilverMK2
MMDespot wrote:With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK, in the worst case you can argue that it's not a lottery but rather a huge gift voucher. Please go ahead and read the contest. I'm going to participate because I went to order a Unit of tac marines and some safeguards (any suggestions for the weapons loading for an imperial fists army?) Thank you for reading.
America land has some funny ideas about when its laws should apply. For example, the mayor of London recently sold his house and got a big tax bill from the american government because he is a dual national of the UK and US. Despite not having lived in the US for the majority of his life, US tax law still applies, and it says he owes them money when he sells his house
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Post by: Bottle
TheKbob wrote:Bottle wrote:Jesus Christ this thread is depressing :/ they are just having a competition. Most of you sound like Scrooge on Christmas Eve... Lighten up!
Must be new here. GW has sucked so hard in the past few years that we're all pretty much beyond love or hate and now fall into a zone of bemused apathy towards their spiraling descent into mediocrity. Most fans get there someday, some sooner than others. We'll be here for yah...
First GW game was 2nd edition 40k and I'm not bitter and jaded yet. :p
Usually I have come to expect it here on dakka, and I'll accept that GW often earns the shade you guys dish out. But they are running a competition and giving away free miniatures here... it just looks silly to sit around grumbling about it imo.
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Post by: alphaecho
jamesk1973 wrote: TheKbob wrote:I was interested in entering and then I realized the UK doesn't have the same competition requirements; meaning no free entry.
I won't even buy your stuff to win a chance at free stuff, GW. If I did, I'd be in a GW store measuring out the kits figuring out which one was the thinnest, highest priced, and most popular to determine my maximum value. Then I'd put it all on eBay.
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
Right. feth 'em
Soooo...your country's laws concerning what can or can't be considered as taxable income is GW's fault how?
As far as I'm aware, selling anything via eBay could incur the attention of the tax authorities.
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Post by: Dentry
TheKbob wrote:Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US.
Actually, you have to pay taxes just for winning the them (if they are a considered a prize). Even Nobel Prizes are taxed.
The only way to avoid this would be if the models were given as a gift as gifts of this nature are not taxed, I believe.
Of course, this only applies if the IRS become aware of the winnings.
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Post by: Da Boss
It's a shame the LOTR/Hobbit lines aren't included. I would have loved to have gotten the entire range in a comeptition like this!
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Post by: ImAGeek
This is ridiculous. They're doing a competition with quite a hefty prize, people are complaining the buy in price is too much (£40 isn't that much really, it's the free shipping cutoff anyway, it's easy to get that with GW, and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get) or that the country they live in will tax them, as if that's somehow GW fault?, or that they got the bloody height of a space marine wrong.
I'm the first to complain when they mess up but I'm really not seeing the issue here. I get why people think that we moan about GW for no reason now... I get the complaints about it not being available in Australia and NZ, that's silly and nonsensical, but everything else just seems like whining for no reason.
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Post by: insaniak
MMDespot wrote:With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK,
...except that you're not.
A customer in the US buys through the US storefront, and the payment goes to GW USA, for goods shipped from a warehouse in the USA.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ImAGeek wrote:..., and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get...
Yeah, that's totally a positive point...
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Post by: ImAGeek
insaniak wrote:MMDespot wrote:With all due respect my friends, the contest rules clearly state that UK laws apply in all cases; it doesn't matter if you are in te US, Canada, the Eurozone or Asia except Australia and NZ (sorry for you). You are buying a product from a UK company, based in the UK,
...except that you're not.
A customer in the US buys through the US storefront, and the payment goes to GW USA, for goods shipped from a warehouse in the USA.
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ImAGeek wrote:..., and theres enough on the GW site that's direct only you can do it without missing out on the discount you'd normally get...
Yeah, that's totally a positive point...
I'm not saying that bit in particular is positive, but if everyone's so worried about missing their 20% discount on a fairly small purchase to maybe win a large prize, at least they can get stuff they otherwise wouldn't have been able to.
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Post by: alphaecho
ImAGeek wrote:
I'm the first to complain when they mess up but I'm really not seeing the issue here. I get why people think that we moan about GW for no reason now... I get the complaints about it not being available in Australia and NZ, that's silly and nonsensical, but everything else just seems like whining for no reason.
I had a look at some websites after another poster pointed out that this sort of giveaway/ promotion/ lottery/ whatever is illegal in the US concerning promotions in Australia. There appears to a be a bit of an industry where firms offer to ensure that your completion is legal across Australia.
The different states appear to have different rules and permit requirements. Some require permits if prices are above a certain level or whether its a game of skill or luck of the draw. Maybe the sort of promotion GW wants to run is flat out illegal in one of those States/ Territories. If that is the case, the company is at fault for not finding an alternative way to include those potential customers.
But you know, I'm sure when Little Timmy from Backendof, Nowhere wins 210cm of boxes, he'll say thank you to all those who did nothing to reduce his chances by not entering.
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Post by: Computron
TheKbob wrote:
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.
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Post by: Matthew
Seems like a Willy Wonka rip-off, although I could use some Lord Of Skulls...
I've got a golden ticket!
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Post by: Computron
jamesk1973 wrote:
Too many fools will buy into this, followed by another half year blip that will only prolong GWs last few gasps on life support.
In other words you predict this scheme to work. GW will be happy.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Computron wrote: TheKbob wrote:
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.
Our government does like to tax things. Can't remember if this is the right form, but IIRC, GW is actually required to create a W2-G for misc. income and send it to both the winner and submit a copy to the IRS. The threshold is pretty low ($500 or so). It is based off from the value of the items - not any actual cash. So, if you get $3000 worth of stuff from GW and sell it for $2000 - you still pay the tax on the $3000.
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Post by: Ravenous D
If this is anything like their other contests over the years those 5 tickets will very mysteriously go to 10 year olds with no clue.
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Post by: Accolade
I'm just surprised to discover I am Space Marine height!
Well, just about.
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Post by: SilverMK2
You mean GW's desired customer base? 
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Post by: Ravenous D
Bingo, although where these kids are is anyones guess.
If I won I'd get 7' of imperial knights, paint them up all pretty and sell them off. That's a fat pile of money.
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Post by: jamesk1973
Computron wrote:jamesk1973 wrote:
Too many fools will buy into this, followed by another half year blip that will only prolong GWs last few gasps on life support.
In other words you predict this scheme to work. GW will be happy.
Yes. To the continued detriment of their IP.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
 Kirasu wrote:Hm so space marines are about 6 feet tall without armor.. Good job GW.
The marketing department says they're 12', sales 6'.
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Post by: TheKbob
 Bottle wrote:
First GW game was 2nd edition 40k and I'm not bitter and jaded yet. :p
Usually I have come to expect it here on dakka, and I'll accept that GW often earns the shade you guys dish out. But they are running a competition and giving away free miniatures here... it just looks silly to sit around grumbling about it imo.
That's fine. Those of us "throwing shade" are more in line with actual expectations and happenings; there's enough of us factually to show that the ship is listing and on it's way to sinking without drastic changes. And yea, it's a stupid competition that doesn't allow free entry which is atypical in the USA. And when we're already burnt out terrible customer support, terrible rules support, and the games being reamed, why in the world would we want to pay $65 for "chance" to win something?
It's not silly, it's just pointing out another sad attempt by GW to try to drum up business besides doing what they should be doing and getting with the rest of their competition. Because it's obviously working for them! 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You'd always be crazy to pay to enter a competition run by a big company... too many customers, the odds of winning will be terrible,
but on the other hand if your going to spend anyway entering is always worthwhile, you never know if your luck might be in
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Post by: Crimson Devil
Computron wrote: TheKbob wrote:
Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US. So if you win $2,000 of models and sell them, it'd be considered income and have to pay taxes on it accordingly, IIRC. Goodie!
lol
who in the IRS would even know you won this? As you'd sell it piecemeal it's not like you'd have a sudden cash injection into your bank, especially if you are able to do cash sales.
GW will be required to report the winner to the IRS if they are American. GW is not going to risk the wrath of the IRS to protect a customer.
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Post by: Senden
No, They're the last secret holdout of the squats
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Surely an average space marine is 8 feet?
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Post by: Delephont
Every now and then I stumble across another GW farce, another reminder why I left their shambles of a property behind!
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Post by: Schlyne
 Dentry wrote: TheKbob wrote:Oh, and don't forget, winning something like this means you have to pay tax on the winnings in the US.
Actually, you have to pay taxes just for winning the them (if they are a considered a prize). Even Nobel Prizes are taxed.
The only way to avoid this would be if the models were given as a gift as gifts of this nature are not taxed, I believe.
Of course, this only applies if the IRS become aware of the winnings.
IRS rules apply even if you Barter something. So if I go to a festival and I barter with you and I give you some nifty item I've made and we agree it's worth this thing you've made, and it's a fair deal, the IRS demands we pay tax on it.  The US government wants it's piece of the pie in everything.
And some states want you to pay sales taxes on stuff you buy on the internet as well. (Although as the years have gone by, bigger vendors have gotten better about just charging your the proper sales tax up front). Not that most people actually sit down and attempt to track every thing they buy on the internet.
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:You'd always be crazy to pay to enter a competition run by a big company... too many customers, the odds of winning will be terrible,
but on the other hand if your going to spend anyway entering is always worthwhile, you never know if your luck might be in
Considering several years ago, I actually got 3rd place in the christmas steam wishlist giveaway sales and won free copies of all the valve games.. There's always a chance.
Sadly, I already owned most of the valve games, so I basically got copies of the half life series to give to a friend, which sat around for several years until i found somebody to give them to who, didn't already have them.
Basically I got a free copy of one of the counter strike games at the time, and I was disappointed that the left4dead series wasn't included as extra copies.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 Delephont wrote:Every now and then I stumble across another GW farce, another reminder why I left their shambles of a property behind!
And this is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
I wonder whether it is at all likely that somebody will report the whole 'must pay to win' competition to whatever the appropriate authorities are?
But then again, what can you expect from a legal code intended to keep folks from stealing pigs? (That preamble is one of the trippiest financial documents that I have ever seen... financial reporting as narrated by Hunter Thompson....)
The Auld Grump
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's just a competition guys... Jesus. And needing to buy something to enter a competition isn't exactly unique to GW. Ain't none'a y'all ever seen the phrase:
"Purchase any specially marked cans of [whatever] to enter..."
And it's not their fault that IRS charges tax on people for winning things. And it's not their fault that they don't want to go through the rigmarole of getting separate TPL's for every state and territory in Oz.
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Post by: Kavik_Whitescar
^ This, Its not a super big deal.
Buy stuff and have a small chance at winning a ton more stuff. If you don't want to buy stuff from them don't.
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
 H.B.M.C. wrote:It's just a competition guys... Jesus. And needing to buy something to enter a competition isn't exactly unique to GW.
Ain't none'a y'all ever seen the phrase:
"Purchase any specially marked can of [whatever] to enter..."
And it's not their fault that IRS charges tax on people for winning things. And it's not their fault that they don't want to go through the rigmarole of getting separate TPL's for every state and territory in Oz.
So, because they don't want to bother, then it is okay if they break the law?
As for those 'specially marked cans' - look at the fine print on those specially marked cans, which include an address to send off to for a free entry, since requiring you to make a purchase is against the law.... *EDIT* Even McDonald's has that in the fine print.
Does GW have an addie to send off to if you don't want to make a GW purchase? If not, then they are breaking the law.
The alternative is voiding the contest in all states and territories that do not allow paid entry promotional contests, including those in the US.
GW does not have a Get Out Of Jail Free card. They still have to obey the law.
The Auld Grump
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Post by: agnosto
H.B.M.C. wrote:It
. And it's not their fault that they don't want to go through the rigmarole of getting separate TPL's for every state and territory in Oz.
Which is technically what they have to do in the US; this sort of this sort of thing is only legal in a handful of states in the US to begin which is why American retailers all have "no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law" at the start of all of their fine print. Let's use McDonalds as an example; every year they trot out Monopoly and you get free pieces when you buy stuff BUT if you read the contest rules, there's also an ability to enter by mail for free (postage cost is not charged by the retailer and the law doesn't require the retailer to shoulder the expense of your entry, just make the avenue available).
Edit: As GW is well aware through the Chapterhouse debacle, just because you write something down ( UK law applies to this contest or whatever) doesn't make it so; they are a registered company in the US, performing commerce in the US and beholden to US laws.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 TheAuldGrump wrote:As for those 'specially marked cans' - look at the fine print on those specially marked cans, which include an address to send off to for a free entry, since requiring you to make a purchase is against the law.... *EDIT* Even McDonald's has that in the fine print.
I don't usually do this but... *ahem* [Citation Needed] I want to see this fine print (or an example of it from a similar competition) where purchasing a speciall marked [whatever] is somehow not mandatory? agnosto wrote:Which is technically what they have to do in the US; this sort of this sort of thing is only legal in a handful of states in the US to begin which is why American retailers all have "no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law" at the start of all of their fine print. Let's use McDonalds as an example; every year they trot out Monopoly and you get free pieces when you buy stuff BUT if you read the contest rules, there's also an ability to enter by mail for free (postage cost is not charged by the retailer and the law doesn't require the retailer to shoulder the expense of your entry, just make the avenue available).
How do you play the Monopoly game without the pieces?
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Post by: agnosto
H.B.M.C. wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote:As for those 'specially marked cans' - look at the fine print on those specially marked cans, which include an address to send off to for a free entry, since requiring you to make a purchase is against the law.... *EDIT* Even McDonald's has that in the fine print.
I don't usually do this but...
*ahem*
[Citation Needed]
I want to see this fine print (or an example of it from a similar competition) where purchasing a speciall marked [whatever] is somehow not mandatory?
agnosto wrote:Which is technically what they have to do in the US; this sort of this sort of thing is only legal in a handful of states in the US to begin which is why American retailers all have "no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law" at the start of all of their fine print. Let's use McDonalds as an example; every year they trot out Monopoly and you get free pieces when you buy stuff BUT if you read the contest rules, there's also an ability to enter by mail for free (postage cost is not charged by the retailer and the law doesn't require the retailer to shoulder the expense of your entry, just make the avenue available).
How do you play the Monopoly game without the pieces?
Linkage: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=t67OVMC4HLeSsQSl3IDgAQ&url=http://news.mcdonalds.com/getattachment/75e01167-bc36-46e9-9ce0-29b5a249659f&ved=0CB8QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFNTaAkBsKWchJgvgVtHpjYHnxbJg&sig2=Lpir22HdNjUkHwweAw5U6A
You send them a self addressed, stamped envelope and they send you a free piece.
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Apparently illegal in Canada too:http://business.financialpost.com/2013/11/20/no-purchase-necessary-and-other-contest-rules-your-franchise-needs-to-know/
Another example; Starbucks: http://www.starbucks.com/win
Still not enough? Here's a couple of lawyers writing about it:
http://adage.com/article/guest-columnists/online-sweepstakes-legal/149206/
Here's a Harvard Law graduate, practicing internet law since 1998 talking about it:http://www.quora.com/What-legal-issues-come-up-when-running-a-contest-or-giveaway
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Post by: Rayvon
Delephont wrote:Every now and then I stumble across another GW farce, another reminder why I left their shambles of a property behind!
Same here but this is not one, its just a competition, they can do no right in certain peoples eyes.
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Post by: Ravenous D
 Rayvon wrote: Delephont wrote:Every now and then I stumble across another GW farce, another reminder why I left their shambles of a property behind!
Same here but this is not one, its just a competition, they can do no right in certain peoples eyes.
Its because pretty much all of GWs "contests" and events have been marred by lazy rigging and favoritism for years, its hard not to be skeptical that they'll do it again.
Its never won by a guy who says "I could do with 7 feet worth of the most expensive kit with the smallest box" But then again few lotteries are won by intelligent people.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Alpharius wrote:I'm insisting on an Armored Space Marine Height's worth - ADB Night Lords version too, so 3 meters my friend, 3 meters!!!
You can insist until you're (Alpha Legion) blue in the face. They're (on average) 7 feet tall. The guy who designed them said so, he photographed himself in front of a picture of one that was 7 feet tall, and has stated that "true scale Marines" already exist - the standard GW kits - and that it's the regular humans that are too big.
So 7 feet it is. This competition only strengthens that claim.
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Post by: alphaecho
H.B.M.C. wrote: Alpharius wrote:I'm insisting on an Armored Space Marine Height's worth - ADB Night Lords version too, so 3 meters my friend, 3 meters!!!
You can insist until you're (Alpha Legion) blue in the face. They're (on average) 7 feet tall. The guy who designed them said so, he photographed himself in front of a picture of one that was 7 feet tall, and has stated that "true scale Marines" already exist - the standard GW kits - and that it's the regular humans that are too big.
So 7 feet it is. This competition only strengthens that claim.
Of course if the Marine in the picture would stand up straight ratber than going for a dramatic 'legs apart', you could get an extra box or two in.
Anyone know how tall the GW HQ statue is?
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Post by: Jackal
Need to order a few bits anyway so why not?
Slim chance but always worth a go.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Yep, like I said - this is likely to be considered a lottery because the only way to enter is with a purchase. The fine print on the GW website seems to indicate that they sent it past their crack [pot] legal team - likely the disqualifier for Australia and New Zealand. Out of curiosity, I took a look at other countries (most familiar with the US - years ago, one of my businesses did semi-regular give aways too). Almost all of them...this is illegal, even in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/contents
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PDF/prize%20competitions%20and%20free%20draws%20-%20the%20requirements%20of%20the%20gambling%20act%202005%20-%20december%202009.pdf
Based off from what I have deciphered, they need to have an opt out in order to qualify for the "free draw" purchase to enter clause... The rules seem to indicate that all you have to do is purchase the qualifying amount, with no mention of opting out and no mention of a free to enter...which moves them back into the illegal lottery category over there too.
GW...you should really take the time to find a sober, competent and useful legal team. Seems they must be drunk, incompetent and just plain useless more often than not.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I think there was an opt-out as the "golden ticket" was seemingly a nonexistent item added to your order--which you can remove.
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Post by: TheKbob
It's not that big of deal, it's just a potentially illegal competition that is about buying overpriced plastic men from them as they try to drum up sales on their ailing products.
Or, you know, you could fix the ailing products, stop suing everything that looks like a duck, and start engaging with us (because that's the reason 40k forums are always so dour!).
But nah, we're all just cranky pants. I just got back from picking up my $120 worth of addition to my Legion and Cryx armies, did I miss anything else?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Why? GW invented the duck. It's part of their IP, along with skulls, arrows, Roman numerals and grenade launchers.
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Post by: Ashiraya
H.B.M.C. wrote: Alpharius wrote:I'm insisting on an Armored Space Marine Height's worth - ADB Night Lords version too, so 3 meters my friend, 3 meters!!!
You can insist until you're (Alpha Legion) blue in the face. They're (on average) 7 feet tall. The guy who designed them said so, he photographed himself in front of a picture of one that was 7 feet tall, and has stated that "true scale Marines" already exist - the standard GW kits - and that it's the regular humans that are too big.
So 7 feet it is. This competition only strengthens that claim.
Aw, the thread got Goodwin'd.
Jes Goodwin missed the whole memo 'Marines are superhumanly large'.
<Insert Lynata quote about no 40k canon here> (:
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
I've always thought something like 7'-8'. Otherwise they would be so big as to not be useful.
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Post by: weeble1000
TheAuldGrump wrote:I wonder whether it is at all likely that somebody will report the whole 'must pay to win' competition to whatever the appropriate authorities are?
But then again, what can you expect from a legal code intended to keep folks from stealing pigs? (That preamble is one of the trippiest financial documents that I have ever seen... financial reporting as narrated by Hunter Thompson....)
The Auld Grump
I did. I reported it to the FTC and the Louisiana State Attorney General this morning. It takes about 5 min.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
*instantly dismisses anything Lynata has to say about canon*
When you're going against the guy who designed them, odds are you're on the wrong side.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
H.B.M.C. wrote:
*instantly dismisses anything Lynata has to say about canon*
When you're going against the guy who designed them, odds are you're on the wrong side.
I haven't seen Bob Naismith comment on their height...
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Post by: Ashiraya
Jes Goodwin is not exactly the sole authority.
While this funny no-canon status exists, Goodwin's Marine poster is as canon as the Mach 180 Marines.
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Post by: Daba
Azreal13 wrote:They're giving 210cm worth away.
I'm 197cm, so I'm now fairly certain I could have been an impressive Space Marine!
Finally something official to put a nail in the coffin of the 8'+ giant marine fallacy that's been going around all these years!
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Post by: notprop
Sheesh!
5 pages on a prize give away that encompasses legal technicalities and the true height of a Space Marine......and allot of comments from the usual people that will "OMG haven't bought GW for XX years before it was cool".
You fellers make my head hurt.
Shouldn't this whole thread be transplanted to the First World Problems thread in OTT?
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Post by: Captain Blood
 notprop wrote:Sheesh!
5 pages on a prize give away that encompasses legal technicalities and the true height of a Space Marine......and allot of comments from the usual people that will "OMG haven't bought GW for XX years before it was cool".
You fellers make my head hurt.
Shouldn't this whole thread be transplanted to the First World Problems thread in OTT?
Exalted for hitting the nail...
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Post by: Computron
Sean_OBrien wrote:So, if you get $3000 worth of stuff from GW and sell it for $2000 - you still pay the tax on the $3000.
You mean you have to pay tax upon receiving the prize? As the prize is GW goods, they could value it at cost rather than retail - there is no dollar figure attached to the prize, just quantity.
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Post by: agnosto
notprop wrote:Sheesh!
5 pages on a prize give away that encompasses legal technicalities and the true height of a Space Marine......and allot of comments from the usual people that will "OMG haven't bought GW for XX years before it was cool".
You fellers make my head hurt.
Shouldn't this whole thread be transplanted to the First World Problems thread in OTT?
FWIW. I buy GW product. I would also think that a company that does business in multiple countries would be familiar with the laws of doing business in those countries...other than for the Chairman to make fun of the laws in the company financial reports. Unless of course this contest is really just for UK residents. For a company that expects the world to observe some self-defined version of IP law, GW seems more than happy to flout the laws of the land in the US and Canada when it comes to their little contest.
What do i know, i apparently live in a country where the laws were created to stop pig thievery (never did understand that commebt).
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Post by: Dropbear Victim
agnosto wrote:
What do i know, i apparently live in a country where the laws were created to stop pig thievery (never did understand that commebt).
My take on it is that the use of language must have evolved, and pig thievery must have meant thieving pigs. Things make alot more sense to me this way.
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Post by: badkamer1
I have bad news for everyone in the US:
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand.
I don't think we need to worry about US law as the states are out of the scope for this contest.
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Post by: weeble1000
agnosto wrote: notprop wrote:Sheesh! 5 pages on a prize give away that encompasses legal technicalities and the true height of a Space Marine......and allot of comments from the usual people that will "OMG haven't bought GW for XX years before it was cool". You fellers make my head hurt. Shouldn't this whole thread be transplanted to the First World Problems thread in OTT?
What do i know, i apparently live in a country where the laws were created to stop pig thievery (never did understand that commebt).
I think KT had just watched the Hatfield and McCoy show with Kevin Costner. And I mean that literally. I think that's where his idea for the metaphor came from. In any case, he was making a comment about how intellectual property is property, but that because it is in many ways intangible, laws that were designed to protect tangible assets are not suited to providing proper protection for intellectual property. He's rather wrong, of course. What he really meant was that there are no laws to protect someone's opinion that they were the first to think up an idea, or that protect a business on the basis that it has been around for a long time. That's very true. The laws only protect something that has actually been created, and they measure such creation against everything else already in existence. It would be like Kirby complaining that the laws did not protect his imaginary horse ranch. 'If wishes were horses, I'd have a ranch.'
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Post by: Kanluwen
badkamer1 wrote:I have bad news for everyone in the US:
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand.
I don't think we need to worry about US law as the states are out of the scope for this contest.
As has been mentioned, "The States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand" has nothing to do with the United States. Australia has States.
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
H.B.M.C. wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote:As for those 'specially marked cans' - look at the fine print on those specially marked cans, which include an address to send off to for a free entry, since requiring you to make a purchase is against the law.... *EDIT* Even McDonald's has that in the fine print.
I don't usually do this but...
*ahem*
[Citation Needed]
Here, have a Wikipedia article.
I want to see this fine print (or an example of it from a similar competition) where purchasing a speciall marked [whatever] is somehow not mandatory?
Here, have an Online example.
agnosto wrote:Which is technically what they have to do in the US; this sort of this sort of thing is only legal in a handful of states in the US to begin which is why American retailers all have "no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by law" at the start of all of their fine print. Let's use McDonalds as an example; every year they trot out Monopoly and you get free pieces when you buy stuff BUT if you read the contest rules, there's also an ability to enter by mail for free (postage cost is not charged by the retailer and the law doesn't require the retailer to shoulder the expense of your entry, just make the avenue available).
How do you play the Monopoly game without the pieces?
Some people do it enthuiastically without the pieces.
Technically the contest is a Sweepstakes - requiring a purchase makes it a Lottery, which has very different laws pertaining.
States can get away with having Lotteries - because they make the rules. Most states have laws preventing Lotteries run by anybody that isn't the state.
The commissions have even been known to get involved in school raffles.
It is pretty definite that GW is breaking the law here - not only requiring a purchase, but requiring a minimum purchase.
I do not think GW put any effort into looking at the legalities.
Because they are GW.
The Auld Grump
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Who says all space marines are the same height?
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Post by: Ashiraya
Clearly the picture displays Brother Verticallychallengus, a Squat who was taken into the Space Wolves chapter by mistake.
Great Wolf Logan Grimnar has been approached for a comment:
'If it has a beard, it's in.'
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Post by: Alpharius
 Co'tor Shas wrote:I've always thought something like 7'-8'. Otherwise they would be so big as to not be useful.
Don't worry - you're still right!
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Post by: Accolade
Space Marines are anything your heart and imagination make them up to be!!
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Post by: Alpharius
Plus what pretty much all the fiction and background says in the last 20 years, give or take.
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
 Accolade wrote:
Space Marines are anything your heart and imagination make them up to be!!
Unlass you name them Spots - then GW will slap you with a DMCA....
The Auld Grump
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Post by: wufai
WOW. GW finally listens and does something nice for gamers.... and we still complain!
You know, the worst you can do is do what you already been doing, not buy direct from GW.
and if you live in USA I won't worry too much about the loopholes and the tax, chances are your governement won't care enough to tax you or ban GW from giving you the prize.
In Canada the price of entry is $80. If I'm ever buying GW products I can afford to pay the 20% discount with is about $16+ tax, for a chance at prizes I'm interested in. Its a shame from what I'm hearing no one here is willing to spend that extra 20% of the minimun entry fee.
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Post by: Accolade
wufai wrote:WOW. GW finally listens and does something nice for gamers.... and we still complain! You know, the worst you can do is do what you already been doing, not buy direct from GW. and if you live in USA I won't worry too much about the loopholes and the tax, chances are your governement won't care enough to tax you or ban GW from giving you the prize. In Canada the price of entry is $80. If I'm ever buying GW products I can afford to pay the 20% discount with is about $16+ tax, for a chance at prizes I'm interested in. Its a shame from what I'm hearing no one here is willing to spend that extra 20% of the minimun entry fee.
The biggest two complaints are (a) that the Space Marine height seems out-of-whack, which is more of a lore complaint since Space Marines get represented all over the spectrum and (b) that Australia and New Zealand, the dirty prison colonies that they are, are excluded from entering. One of those I think is just a joke and really has nothing to do with the competition, but is a really controversial topic with diehard 40k fans (same as any diehard groups, and hey, we're on a website with a significant dedication to 40k) since people have such different opinions on the matter (right up there with the Knight titan thing) and the other is quite legitimate complaint from countries who seem to just get the business end of GW's dealings constantly. I wouldn't decry this as Tom Kirby offering disgruntled fans cookies and the fans throwing them back in his face, it's more like he offers cookies to everyone except that one group of kids he irrationally hates, and the rest of the people are talking about flavors of chocolate.
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Post by: Blacksails
wufai wrote:WOW. GW finally listens and does something nice for gamers.... and we still complain!
Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?
Otherwise, you'd find the complaints are almost entirely unrelated to the competition itself, or incredibly valid complaints about two countries not being able to participate.
But its probably easier to be edgy and make a post decrying how GW can't win, and we're all entitled brats.
Anyways, the competition is cool. Seven feet of merchandise is nothing to sneeze at. If my 40k army used any GW models I still need, it might have motivated me to buy something, but I'm not inclined to spend money on them, and I frankly wouldn't know what to do with that many GW kits.
Now, if it was FW on the other hand...
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
Accolade wrote:wufai wrote:WOW. GW finally listens and does something nice for gamers.... and we still complain!
You know, the worst you can do is do what you already been doing, not buy direct from GW.
and if you live in USA I won't worry too much about the loopholes and the tax, chances are your governement won't care enough to tax you or ban GW from giving you the prize.
In Canada the price of entry is $80. If I'm ever buying GW products I can afford to pay the 20% discount with is about $16+ tax, for a chance at prizes I'm interested in. Its a shame from what I'm hearing no one here is willing to spend that extra 20% of the minimun entry fee.
The biggest two complaints are (a) that the Space Marine height seems out-of-whack, which is more of a lore complaint since Space Marines get represented all over the spectrum and (b) that Australia and New Zealand, the dirty prison colonies that they are, are excluded from entering.
One of those I think is just a joke and really has nothing to do with the competition, but is a really controversial topic with diehard 40k fans (same as any diehard groups, and hey, we're on a website with a significant dedication to 40k) since people have such different opinions on the matter (right up there with the Knight titan thing) and the other is quite legitimate complaint from countries who seem to just get the business end of GW's dealings constantly.
I wouldn't decry this as Tom Kirby offering disgruntled fans cookies and the fans throwing them back in his face, it's more like he offers cookies to everyone except that one group of kids he irrationally hates, and the rest of the people are talking about flavors of chocolate.
Or whether Tom Kirby, dressed as a Girl Scout, is allowed to be selling those cookies....
I am really surprised that GW did not catch the legal problems - I have a weird feeling that this contest was rushed through by the folks running the webstore, in the wake of the half year net earnings.
The contest is a good thing - I will not argue that. It means that GW has started promoting sales.
The fact that they have broken the law while doing that promotion... is less admirable.
It is something that anyone with a basic MBA should have caught.
And that is worrying.
The Auld Grump Automatically Appended Next Post:  Blacksails wrote:wufai wrote:WOW. GW finally listens and does something nice for gamers.... and we still complain!
Now, if it was FW on the other hand...
Yeesh! Now that is a contest that I would enter!
The Auld Grump
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Post by: Azreal13
Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with this competition (weird geographic restrictions aside) or any other conventional, or otherwise, promotional activity GW wishes to undertake, as a 40K player, the hardest problem for me to solve is a lack of interest in the game, so ultimately, for all their faults, a successful GW is better than an ailing one, so if this helps interest in them and their product, so be it.
With that said however, how on earth is running a competition explicitly designed to require you to pay a premium over the price their product can be bought for in exchange for a tiny chance of winning something whose perceived value is far in excess of its actual cost "doing something nice for gamers?"
This is doing something to make money for GW, and any thoughts of it as some sort of benevolent action by them is way wide of the mark.
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Post by: odinsgrandson
Space Marine height is a number that has varied throughout the fluff a whole lot. At least according to most of the people I talk to. All of the references I've checked puts them at 7 feet tall. But then, I don't read the novels (and in the old White Dwarf #300, GW stated that those are clearly exaggerated for drama's sake, and don't accurately portray their setting... thanks GW).
In this instance, they're about 6'10" We can start talking about how he's a little short for a space marine.
I honestly prefer the marines that aren't ten feet tall, but that might be because I can never find the references that make them crazy tall like that.
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Post by: Azreal13
I guess a degree of variety is perfectly reasonable, I mean, I'm a foot or so taller than some of my friends, so surely it stands to reason I'd make a much taller Space Marine than them.
But the competition "Space Marine" is barely out of the range of what you could see walking along a busy city street on any given day.
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Post by: notprop
Of course if this is illegal in some US states then it is easily resolved.
[The GW tombola spins and the DrawMaster pulls out a ticket for Cleatus B Hickmeister of Bumpkinville, North South Alakerkivania, USof A]
RE-DRAW!
[Kirbs] "Just keep going until you draw someone close, I only found a fiver in the sofa to cover P&P!"
"Oh, and I don't want to get caught out on some obscure possibly non existent US law that may or may not be applicable cos the tiniternet kiljoys said so. Yeah I', really concerned about that too!"
Seriously the more i see that nonsense pitched the more important the non issue of Space Marine altitude becomes.
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Post by: odinsgrandson
Oh, that's right. US competitions always say "No purchase necessary." That always means that you could send them a letter, or sign up online instead of buying the soda and enter the competition.
I wonder if there's a way to do that here.
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Post by: Fabio Bile
Man, the literal-mindedness of geeks. It's crucial that we determine exactly how big Space Marines are. And this needs to be strictly followed in all matters, even a promotion that's just trying to be cute. Otherwise our immersion will be ruined.
Anyway, I think it's a fine promo they've got here. Like the Space Marine Captains one before it'll probably get me to pull the trigger on ordering some stuff I've been meaning to. I don't really see anyone placing an order just for the chance to win this, but even if. I'm not gonna lecture people on how to spend their money on miniatures.
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Post by: Azreal13
 Fabio Bile wrote:Man, the literal-mindedness of geeks. It's crucial that we determine exactly how big Space Marines are. And this needs to be strictly followed in all matters, even a promotion that's just trying to be cute. Otherwise our immersion will be ruined.
That...that's not what people are saying...
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Post by: Crimson
 odinsgrandson wrote:
Space Marine height is a number that has varied throughout the fluff a whole lot. At least according to most of the people I talk to. All of the references I've checked puts them at 7 feet tall. But then, I don't read the novels (and in the old White Dwarf #300, GW stated that those are clearly exaggerated for drama's sake, and don't accurately portray their setting... thanks GW).
Design studio has been really consistent over the years about the marines being roughly seven feet tall. Larger numbers come come from few vague BL references, and from number of fans who for some reason really, really want the marines to be gigantic.
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Post by: Accolade
Azreal13 wrote: Fabio Bile wrote:Man, the literal-mindedness of geeks. It's crucial that we determine exactly how big Space Marines are. And this needs to be strictly followed in all matters, even a promotion that's just trying to be cute. Otherwise our immersion will be ruined.
That...that's not what people are saying...
Yes, but why pass up the opportunity to be derogatory to large groups of people without paying attention to what they're saying? Isn't that the basis of our societal systems?
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Post by: alphaecho
It would be a shame if the competition turns out be illegal everywhere.but the 'no purchase necessary' does appear to exist in the UK.
I know whenever I try the comps on This Morning or breakfast TV I do it via the free ITV.com option rather than pay for the text/ phone call.
Then again, I'm a West Country/ Scot hybrid so have six fingers to be tightfisted with.
On a plus point, if it does get canned in the US, when the Louisiana Attorney General pulls his finger out, do we get a better chance of winning on our side of the pond?
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
 Crimson wrote: odinsgrandson wrote:
Space Marine height is a number that has varied throughout the fluff a whole lot. At least according to most of the people I talk to. All of the references I've checked puts them at 7 feet tall. But then, I don't read the novels (and in the old White Dwarf #300, GW stated that those are clearly exaggerated for drama's sake, and don't accurately portray their setting... thanks GW).
Design studio has been really consistent over the years about the marines being roughly seven feet tall. Larger numbers come come from few vague BL references, and from number of fans who for some reason really, really want the marines to be gigantic.
Anybody that thinks that seven feet tall isn't gigantic never met my great grandfather
He was 6'11" in a family that averages 5'8".... and at 5'9" I am more than a foot taller than my girlfriend. (Who is tiny.)
He had to leave Ireland... suddenly. The bad thing about being that tall is that the police can recognize you pretty easily.
The Auld Grump - he was always sad that he missed out on the Easter Rebellion....
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Post by: weeble1000
I expect that if the contest does violate various U.S. state laws, it will simply be a matter of paying hefty fines and altering the contest terms.
It is far from the end of the world.
I don't have any problem with GW running a contest, but a company that declares ownership of 'grenade launcher' had better mind its legal P's and Q's. If GW wants to keep trundling through life throwing its weight around with an incompetent legal team, its gonna pay the piper.
And in this economic climate, I expect the state of Louisiana wouldn't mind a fast 20K.
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Post by: Schlyne
odinsgrandson wrote:Oh, that's right. US competitions always say "No purchase necessary." That always means that you could send them a letter, or sign up online instead of buying the soda and enter the competition.
I wonder if there's a way to do that here.
Somebody could probably *gasp* call up GW customer service and ask.
Personally, I really don't care. I get a ticket, I don't get a ticket. All it means is that I'll buy more stuff from the webstore and pay in the shop instead of grabbing a box off the shelf for the next two months. Whatever. The shop still benefits.
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Post by: Blacksails
Thanks for that.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Terms and Conditions wrote:
4. Each winner will receive a Space Marine’s height (210cm) in Citadel miniatures shipped to them free of charge. Height of a product is measured by laying the boxed product on its back.
That is a LOT of Sisters of Battle.
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battle-Sister-Squad
At 4 cm per clamshell / box, you'd get 52 boxes!
520 Sisters of Battle, with a retail value of $ 4,160 USD
Funny thing, GW would probably love this, as it would clear out a huge chunk of inventory that drives zero revenue for them.
I wonder, can anyone do better?
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
weeble1000 wrote:And in this economic climate, I expect the state of Louisiana wouldn't mind a fast 20K.
I would expect most states wouldn't mind it (not to mention regions outside the US with similar laws...). $20K wouldn't be the end of the world for GW (granted, I would guess it would be a bit higher than that...I linked to a CVS case from a few years back that was a $175K fine) - 50 or so of those starts to hurt...especially when you are already slipping on your profits.
Now, people have said - oh, GW just will have to exclude those areas from the competition... That opens them up to something like a class action from all the customers who made purchases with the intent of entering the contest, not to mention does nothing to actually insulate them from the initial offense (since it wasn't excluded from the get go like Australia - it can be assumed they want to run the illegal lottery).
Another lawsuit, legal fines, following a rant about pig thieves...it may well be enough for investors to loose confidence in Kirby and force him out along with his board.
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Post by: fullheadofhair
Unless I am mistaken, if you win it and you live in the States there is a good possibility you will get a 1099 (from GWUS) where you will probably get the product from. I think it is for retail but brain is a little to senile to remember that bit.
Prizes are basically unearned income and are tax accordingly - often when you hear about a competition to win some big event (like VIP concert tickets) the advert will warn you of tax consequences.
Heard one about 3weeks ago where the prize was valued at $12k. Nice potential $3k tax bill right there.
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Post by: weeble1000
Sean_OBrien wrote:weeble1000 wrote:And in this economic climate, I expect the state of Louisiana wouldn't mind a fast 20K.
I would expect most states wouldn't mind it (not to mention regions outside the US with similar laws...). $20K wouldn't be the end of the world for GW (granted, I would guess it would be a bit higher than that...I linked to a CVS case from a few years back that was a $175K fine) - 50 or so of those starts to hurt...especially when you are already slipping on your profits.
Now, people have said - oh, GW just will have to exclude those areas from the competition... That opens them up to something like a class action from all the customers who made purchases with the intent of entering the contest, not to mention does nothing to actually insulate them from the initial offense (since it wasn't excluded from the get go like Australia - it can be assumed they want to run the illegal lottery).
Another lawsuit, legal fines, following a rant about pig thieves...it may well be enough for investors to loose confidence in Kirby and force him out along with his board.
If I read the law right, and I might not have, I believe 20K is the statutory minimum fine for running an illegal gambling operation in Louisiana. So, yea, it would probably be more than 20K, but no less than.
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Post by: Haight
Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Except it specifically states in the contests rules that no purchase is necessary and how to get a no purchase entry into the contest.
caveat: the email flyer link i opened did and i live in the US. I think this is within the bounds of being legal.
... not going to lie, i know my chances of getting a golden ticket are small... but i'm seriously thinking of making a qualifying purchase. Hell, someone's gotta win, right ? 7 feet worth of GW boxes is a LOT OF gak.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Azreal13 wrote:I guess a degree of variety is perfectly reasonable, I mean, I'm a foot or so taller than some of my friends, so surely it stands to reason I'd make a much taller Space Marine than them.
Or more likely, they wouldn't make Space Marines at all. Remember that Space Marines represent an extremely small proportion of an extremely large gene pool, specifically chosen for attributes like their genetic compatibility with the Primarchs and their gene seed. They can afford to be picky.
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Post by: insaniak
 Haight wrote:
Except it specifically states in the contests rules that no purchase is necessary and how to get a no purchase entry into the contest.
There is no mention of such a thing in the contest rules on the GW website.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Haight wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Except it specifically states in the contests rules that no purchase is necessary and how to get a no purchase entry into the contest.
caveat: the email flyer link i opened did and i live in the US. I think this is within the bounds of being legal.
... not going to lie, i know my chances of getting a golden ticket are small... but i'm seriously thinking of making a qualifying purchase. Hell, someone's gotta win, right ? 7 feet worth of GW boxes is a LOT OF gak.
Where?
The website rules? No. The email? No. Not sure where you see no purchase necessary - but I can't find it.
I live in the US, I opened the link in the email:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Competition?utm_term=0_c6e14e39d2-5afee22351-114040005&utm_medium=email&utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_campaign=5afee22351-CW_2015_1_30_Harlequins_US&utm_campaign=5afee22351-CW_2015_1_30_Harlequins_US&utm_source=GamesWorkshop.com&utm_medium=email
The email states: "Orders of $65 or more placed before March 1st Qualify"
The website linked to states: "1.Entry is free to all eligible users of the Promoter's website who place an order of $65 or more."
Where is this free entry method stated?
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Post by: Azreal13
 AlexHolker wrote: Azreal13 wrote:I guess a degree of variety is perfectly reasonable, I mean, I'm a foot or so taller than some of my friends, so surely it stands to reason I'd make a much taller Space Marine than them.
Or more likely, they wouldn't make Space Marines at all. Remember that Space Marines represent an extremely small proportion of an extremely large gene pool, specifically chosen for attributes like their genetic compatibility with the Primarchs and their gene seed. They can afford to be picky.
Trust me, height is no guarantee of any sort of genetic purity! I've known some smaller guys who were double hard bastards too - given that traditionally initiates undergo some sort of physical trial and either make it or die, unless there's a Chapter whose initiation rite involves reaching things on high shelves and banging your head on door frames, I don't think you'll necessarily always find the tallest people making it!
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Post by: Jadenim
Sean_OBrien wrote:
The website linked to states: "1.Entry is free to all eligible users of the Promoter's website who place an order of $65 or more."
I do wonder whether the "eligible" bit would give them the wiggle room; "sorry, this type of competition isn't legal in your state, so you aren't eligible I'm afraid" etc.?
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Can't hurt if you were already eyeing up some miniatures and intending to make a purchase in the near future, might as well do it now to qualify for the prize draw.
If not, its a pretty naff promotion.
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Post by: CalgarsPimpHand
Haight wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote: Reavsie wrote:Haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere on the site.
Home page of Games Workshop site has the above offer/draw to those that place an order over £40.
Thoughts?
Quite possibly illegal in the US. Sweepstakes like this are generally required to be "no purchase necessary" in order to avoid accidently becoming a lottery - which is illegal (barring certain exceptions).
Except it specifically states in the contests rules that no purchase is necessary and how to get a no purchase entry into the contest.
caveat: the email flyer link i opened did and i live in the US. I think this is within the bounds of being legal.
... not going to lie, i know my chances of getting a golden ticket are small... but i'm seriously thinking of making a qualifying purchase. Hell, someone's gotta win, right ? 7 feet worth of GW boxes is a LOT OF gak.
Seriously, where does it say that? Where are you finding the method for making a no purchase entry? I couldn't spare a squirt of p* ss for GW if they were on fire, but if I can fill out a form and potentially win several thousand dollars in Sisters of Battle, I'd love to do it. Can't find it anywhere online.
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Post by: Haight
Hey guys, sorry, i was 100% mistaken.... I just double checked (and i was sure as gak i was right!), but i was not ; i was looking at another contest marketing flyer which wasn't even gaming related.
Got my lines crossed between the two. Many apologies. I chalk this up to brain fail.
Looks like i won't be entering into this after all.
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Post by: Wonderwolf
Funny how of all ~190 or so countries worldwide (Down Under excluded), it's the supposedly free-market USA who are throwing the most government-regulation-curveballs at this, while everything from China to Russia to Venezuela to every EU-legislation-under-the-sun has absolutely no issues with it
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
As I have said - it really surprises me that GW had this contest up without knowing about those laws - they are hardly secret, ya know?
The Auld Grump - void where prohibited or taxed, buy yours today!
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Post by: agnosto
TheAuldGrump wrote:It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
As I have said - it really surprises me that GW had this contest up without knowing about those laws - they are hardly secret, ya know?
The Auld Grump - void where prohibited or taxed, buy yours today!
Well, you have to put yourself into the tiny shoes of the nitwits that run a multi-national firm like it's Bob's Burgers.
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Post by: pretre
Virtual Vouchers don't count and neither do subscriptions. Just an FYI.
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Post by: Wonderwolf
TheAuldGrump wrote:It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
As I have said - it really surprises me that GW had this contest up without knowing about those laws - they are hardly secret, ya know?
The Auld Grump - void where prohibited or taxed, buy yours today!
Dunno, why would you by default assume it would be illegal. It's their product. In a free society, they should be allowed to "give it away" anyway they please, no?
Just came in from London Heathrow airport last night. It's plastered with posters promising you the chance to win a nice little sports car if you spend some money at any of the duty free shops.
Every other Kickstarter seems to run the same scheme with Beast of Wars these days... "pledge on our Kickstarter (and pay BoW for their paywall-subscription) and you might win your pledge for free",
Etc.., etc..
Seems a common enough marketing-ploy.
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Post by: Thud
TheAuldGrump wrote:It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
In Norway, where you have to spend 500 NOK ($70ish) to qualify for the competition, it's illegal. It's completely legal in the UK, btw.
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Post by: agnosto
 Thud wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote:It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
In Norway, where you have to spend 500 NOK ($70ish) to qualify for the competition, it's illegal.
It's completely legal in the UK, btw.
That's the problem; they appear to only have check on UK before starting.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Convenient I just placed a £130 LOTR order for mostly direct only stuff!
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Post by: Thud
agnosto wrote: Thud wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote:It is entirely possible that similar laws pertain in those 190 +/- countries, but there are those from the US on these boards that know about those laws here.
In Norway, where you have to spend 500 NOK ($70ish) to qualify for the competition, it's illegal.
It's completely legal in the UK, btw.
That's the problem; they appear to only have check on UK before starting.
They're just adorable, aren't they?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
or it was devised as a UK promotion, but their all singing all dancing new website is entering everybody anyway
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Post by: insaniak
They can exclude countries on the website... The comp doesn't show up on the Australian storefront. So if they had wanted to exclude, say, the US, they could have done the same thing.
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Post by: nflagey
I can confirm it is "working" in the US as I received a black envelope with my latest order ... containing a message with a 7' tall space marine ... but not golden :(
also got a skaven pin like some others have
Automatically Appended Next Post:
By the way, on the Competition webpage:
"These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding."
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Post by: Torga_DW
I do love their legal disclaimers.
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Is GW writing their own imaginary laws again?
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Post by: Dentry
They're just putting forth their own interpretation of law until (maybe) the courts decide to clarify things. I believe many companies employ similar tactics filtered through their legal teams.
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Post by: godswildcard
Soooooo....this may seem silly, but do I need to place the order from start to finish online, or can I place the order and pay in a store?
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Post by: Asmodas
 nflagey wrote:I can confirm it is "working" in the US as I received a black envelope with my latest order ... containing a message with a 7' tall space marine ... but not golden :(
also got a skaven pin like some others have
Automatically Appended Next Post:
By the way, on the Competition webpage:
"These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding."
The problem with this language is that it only applies if you enter the contest. If you object to the contest as illegal, but do not enter it, you are not bound by those terms. It's a choice of law problem then, which will largely be dictated by whether GW is subject to personal jurisdiction in the state where such an objection is made. If GW has stores in the state where the complaint is brought, and is promoting the contest in that store, then it will likely be subject to the jurisdiction of that state's courts.
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Post by: Azreal13
Dentry wrote:
They're just putting forth their own interpretation of law until (maybe) the courts decide to clarify things. I believe many companies employ similar tactics filtered through their legal teams.
They do indeed, a former employer of mine made a judgement call with regard to VAT and if it was payable on money received and subsequently paid out in a specific way.
Once the courts got around to clarifying it, I needed a new job!
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Post by: pretre
Heh. I just spent $71.43 (after tax) to buy 5 models.
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Post by: weeble1000
I don't think there is a choice of law issue at all. The 'lottery' is being offered in the US to US consumers through a US storefront. There's a reason the promotion does not appear on the Aussie storefront. Aussie customers are ineligible. US customers are being offered the 'lottery'. Just because nobody shows up to your illegal casino doesn't mean you arent operating an illegal casino. And doubtless US residents from damn near every state in the union have placed a web order since the promotion started. I would be amazed if that wasn't the case.
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Post by: Gragga Da Krumpa
Ill take Stompas and Knights, divided evenly, please.
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Post by: pretre
Nah, you need better price density. We need to figure out dollar value vs height of box.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Transfer sheets,
lots and lots of premium transfer sheets
not exciting but economically the best bang for your buck
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Post by: pretre
There's only like 5 of those though. No way you'd make anything on them.
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Post by: weeble1000
 pretre wrote:
There's only like 5 of those though. No way you'd make anything on them.
Yea, but they would gak a chicken when they realized they didn't have enough in stock. Automatically Appended Next Post: The best price density is probably the expensive single miniature plastic kits in the clam packs. Or something like that.
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Post by: pretre
They wouldn't do anything of the sort since they have it right in there that they can limit quantities of any item.
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Post by: weeble1000
What about the black Templars chapter upgrade? How big is that package?
How big is the Zoanthrope box?
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Post by: pretre
weeble1000 wrote:What about the black Templars chapter upgrade? How big is that package?
It used to be the thin box (two sprues).
I think choosing any one kit is probably a bad idea. Flooding the market and all.
Choosing a lot of direct only is probably a good idea though.
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Post by: weeble1000
pretre wrote:They wouldn't do anything of the sort since they have it right in there that they can limit quantities of any item.
Like all such contests it says they can change the rules whenever they want too.
Yea, if you were looking for resale value, direct only would get you the most per item return. If you were just looking for hypothetical price density, transfer sheets are probably the winner.
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Post by: pretre
New SOB army.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
nflagey wrote:I can confirm it is "working" in the US as I received a black envelope with my latest order ... containing a message with a 7' tall space marine ... but not golden :(
also got a skaven pin like some others have
Automatically Appended Next Post:
By the way, on the Competition webpage:
"These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding."
If anyone in the USA gets a golden ticket please would you send it to me? I live in the UK so I legally can use it.
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Post by: pretre
 Kilkrazy wrote: nflagey wrote:I can confirm it is "working" in the US as I received a black envelope with my latest order ... containing a message with a 7' tall space marine ... but not golden :(
also got a skaven pin like some others have
Automatically Appended Next Post:
By the way, on the Competition webpage:
"These rules are governed by the laws of England and any dispute relating to the promotion will be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts. Entry indicates acceptance of the rules as final and legally binding."
If anyone in the USA gets a golden ticket please would you send it to me? I live in the UK so I legally can use it.
I'll send it to you for one.... milllion ... dollars...
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Post by: Azreal13
Think you've short changed yourself a bit there Pretre.
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Post by: CoteazRox
pretre wrote:Heh. I just spent $71.43 (after tax) to buy 5 models.
I've done five orders so far.
At my wife's suggestion.
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Post by: godswildcard
I would say the best bang for your buck would be Blood Knights.
Same box as regular infantry/ cavalry for fantasy, but $100 each....
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
I like everyone's optimism and confidence here.
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Post by: Desubot
Wait a sec
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States
Do they mean murica?
If thats the case good thing i didnt get pawned at my last GW visit :/
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Post by: Dentry
 Desubot wrote:Wait a sec
Countries: Worldwide excluding the States
Do they mean murica?
If thats the case good thing i didnt get pawned at my last GW visit :/
No. They mean:
States and Territories of Australia and New Zealand
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Post by: Desubot
Ah read that wrong lol.
Well back to the G Dubs!
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Post by: nflagey
Sent an email to GW customer service about this competition. They are always very friendly and responsive, as all of you may know.
This is the answer I got:
We broached the question with our global headquarters, and they say that the U.S. is eligible; only New Zealand and Australia are exempt.
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Post by: Desubot
nflagey wrote:Sent an email to GW customer service about this competition. They are always very friendly and responsive, as all of you may know.
This is the answer I got:
We broached the question with our global headquarters, and they say that the U.S. is eligible; only New Zealand and Australia are exempt.
I guess they REALLLLY hate you guys down under :/
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Post by: Ouze
I'd rather have the width of a Grey Knight, as it's well established that Grey Knights are significantly wider due to Titan's gravity.
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Post by: OgreChubbs
weeble1000 wrote: pretre wrote:
There's only like 5 of those though. No way you'd make anything on them.
Yea, but they would gak a chicken when they realized they didn't have enough in stock.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
The best price density is probably the expensive single miniature plastic kits in the clam packs. Or something like that.
Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.games-workshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
so they thought about that
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Oh for feths sake. Hobbit and LOTR minis are ineligible? Count me out then.
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Post by: Accolade
Anything kiwi-related. That also includes kiwi-produces movies
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Post by: Verviedi
Sold my soul, I mean half my collection, tripled my account balance.
Let's do this
So I'm working on a formula to make this easier.
82 / H = Q
P * Q = V
Where H=height, Q=quantity, P=price and V=value.
Now I just need to find a way to automate it so you can plug in a kit and it returns V.
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Post by: Desubot
Accolade wrote:
Anything kiwi-related. That also includes kiwi-produces movies
Maybe thats why they are so bitter. since the LotR IP failed them soo hard, they are trying to recoop it the only way they can
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Post by: Kelly502
I got my order in and the black envelope contained a nice postcard picture of an Astartes, not the gold ticket... :/
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How about a stack of mega paint sets and a trip to the GW store for a trade in?
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Post by: Azreal13
So you're suggesting getting a load of the same thing from GW directly, and consequently passing up the chance to choose direct only stuff, and then swapping it for a load of store only stuff from GW?
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Post by: Schlyne
 godswildcard wrote:Soooooo....this may seem silly, but do I need to place the order from start to finish online, or can I place the order and pay in a store?
You can run in to a local GW store and place a web order on the order point, but I'm pretty sure you have to hit the 65$ (US) min on the webstore order point to be entered in. (I'm guessing that's the only way they register you for the tickets.) You can still print the order out there and pay for the order in the store though.
Shipping anything to a local GW store is free though. If you pay for it in the local GW store, they get credit for it and it keeps the lights on for the local store and all that jazz.
I need to pick up my two orders of $5.30 bases tomorrow. (The 50 mms would come back in stock the day after I ordered the flying bases I needed ). Free shipping, since I sent it to the GW store.
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Post by: Kelly502
It's a dollar amount thing...
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Post by: Nocturus
Am I the only person who wouldn't get stuff just to resell it? I'd just get things I like/need.
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Post by: Verviedi
Nocturus wrote:Am I the only person who wouldn't get stuff just to resell it? I'd just get things I like/need.
I would do the following:
• Finish my Necron, Space Marine, and Tau armies.
• Get tons of valuable stuff to resell. I'm running the math and it looks like Carnifexes or Riptides are the best to order tons of to maximise resale value.
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Post by: pretre
What Verviedi said. I don't need a space marine's worth of minis.
I could use some stuff to round out some forces and then sell the rest.
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Post by: Gragga Da Krumpa
Honestly, I dont think I'd screw them on this.
Just one realm of battle isnt near big enough, and I already made my own city board anyway.
I think I would get the dozen or so expensive (and big) items I want, and then go from there.
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Post by: Desubot
Id probably get the RoB, all the spacemarine Formation boxes
A few BANEBLADES and as many terrain boxes as i can.
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Post by: Verviedi
Desubot wrote:Id probably get the RoB, all the spacemarine Formation boxes
A few BANEBLADES and as many terrain boxes as i can.
Good idea. I need terrain, and a proper board.
Would buy a Baneblade.
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Post by: Tsilber
EDIt: what a great idea from GW. Hey got a good enough chance as anyone else. Good to see them offering this promotion.
Still kinda shocked, i mean WoW people, QQ more about a good thing.
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Post by: Azreal13
I'm going to ask Lego to code in a super Exalt button just so I can super Exalt the above post.
Great contribution, buddy, we'll done!
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Post by: Tsilber
You're right, I should be more in depth about your constant complaining AZ, lol. I adjusted it to contribute more positively.
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Post by: Azreal13
Tsilber wrote:You're right, I should be more in depth about your constant complaining AZ, lol. I adjusted it to contribute more positively.
Ok, so I set my stall out WRT the competition in this post:
Azreal13 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with this competition (weird geographic restrictions aside) or any other conventional, or otherwise, promotional activity GW wishes to undertake, as a 40K player, the hardest problem for me to solve is a lack of interest in the game, so ultimately, for all their faults, a successful GW is better than an ailing one, so if this helps interest in them and their product, so be it.
With that said however, how on earth is running a competition explicitly designed to require you to pay a premium over the price their product can be bought for in exchange for a tiny chance of winning something whose perceived value is far in excess of its actual cost "doing something nice for gamers?"
This is doing something to make money for GW, and any thoughts of it as some sort of benevolent action by them is way wide of the mark.
I'm genuinely interested how you get "constant complaining" from what is essentially me saying "I've got no problem with this, let's just not make the assumption they're doing it for us?"
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Post by: Tsilber
Well its your repeated post, but on this one its that last part of phrase, you just gotta throw that Jab in. I find it entertaining, and honestly fun reading most of the time. We are on 2 different worlds with our views and appreciation level of GW.
We can get back to the post now, no need to continue unless you want a rebuttal. I take no offense.
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Post by: Goatmoerser
 Kelly502 wrote:I got my order in and the black envelope contained a nice postcard picture of an Astartes, not the gold ticket... :/
Opened the parcel today and ... same here 
Nocturus wrote:Am I the only person who wouldn't get stuff just to resell it? I'd just get things I like/need.
No, certainly not. I had the weird idea to ask my club mates to name one GW Box each and include them if I had won. Another battle board for me and lots of terrain + stuff for my X different projects would have been enough to build quite a huge tower of boxes. Would have loved to add a Smaug box though.
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Post by: Desubot
 Goatmoerser wrote: Kelly502 wrote:I got my order in and the black envelope contained a nice postcard picture of an Astartes, not the gold ticket... :/
Opened the parcel today and ... same here
Time for another purchase?
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Post by: Azreal13
Tsilber wrote:Well its your repeated post, but on this one its that last part of phrase, you just gotta throw that Jab in. I find it entertaining, and honestly fun reading most of the time. We are on 2 different worlds with our views and appreciation level of GW.
We can get back to the post now, no need to continue unless you want a rebuttal. I take no offense.
But that's not a complaint, it's not specific to GW either. Promotions are something that companies do for their own benefit, either for financial gain or publicity. It isn't a complaint of any sort, nor was it intended as such, it's simply a commercial reality.
I think you perhaps have a slightly skewed view of what I write, but you're not alone in that.
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Post by: Goatmoerser
Hehe
On the backside of the SM-card it says "Every qualifying order sent out contains a chance to win a Space Marine's height in Citadel miniatures though, so by all means, try again!"
Those silly tombola shacks ate a lot of my money back in the day while visiting the funfair. Please not again
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Post by: Azreal13
I'd genuinely be interested in the mechanism they're using to decide who wins.
Predetermined order numbers? Random computer says yes? Kirby pokes his head out of the top floor window and shouts "that one?"
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Post by: pretre
Azreal13 wrote:I'd genuinely be interested in the mechanism they're using to decide who wins.
Predetermined order numbers? Random computer says yes? Kirby pokes his head out of the top floor window and shouts "that one?"
A huge stack of sealed envelopes? Grab one for each order.
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Post by: Azreal13
As boring as that sounds, it's probably the easiest way.
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Post by: nels1031
I put an order in for $66.00. 2 Under-Empire Terrain basing kits.
I feel like its a winner!
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Post by: Azreal13
Well, you paid $60 for two basing kits. Somebody's won, even if you don't!
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Post by: Desubot
pretre wrote: Azreal13 wrote:I'd genuinely be interested in the mechanism they're using to decide who wins.
Predetermined order numbers? Random computer says yes? Kirby pokes his head out of the top floor window and shouts "that one?"
A huge stack of sealed envelopes? Grab one for each order.
Its probably that one.
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Post by: Ignatius-Grulgor
Dakka is pretty much the biggest site for our hobby niche right? If one of you wins it I expect photos so that I can paint some orks green with the sheer volume of envy I'll be producing.
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Post by: filbert
pretre wrote: Azreal13 wrote:I'd genuinely be interested in the mechanism they're using to decide who wins.
Predetermined order numbers? Random computer says yes? Kirby pokes his head out of the top floor window and shouts "that one?"
A huge stack of sealed envelopes? Grab one for each order.
Huh, Walkers (a crisp manufacturer here in the UK) ran a promotion a few years ago where they had a small packet sealed in random bags of crisps that contained an actual bank note of some denomination (£5, £20 etc). All sounded great until some factory workers at Walkers were busted for using super-sensitive scales in the factory to weigh the bags before they got sent out and work out which ones had the cash in them. I picture the mail order trolls at Lenton doing the same
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Post by: Dentry
 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:Dakka is pretty much the biggest site for our hobby niche right? If one of you wins it I expect photos so that I can paint some orks green with the sheer volume of envy I'll be producing.
Well, if I decide to win a lottery it certainly wont be this one but I promise to post pics of my hobby related purchases in such an event.
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Post by: nflagey
how many orders do you plan to place this month?
I was thinking 1/week, at the minimum amount possible
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Post by: Breotan
nflagey wrote:how many orders do you plan to place this month?
I was thinking 1/week, at the minimum amount possible
I'd rather put one large order with an online discounter than spend money this way. No, I won't win a 7' pile of product but I'll have more money at the end of the day than you will.
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Post by: nflagey
 Breotan wrote: nflagey wrote:how many orders do you plan to place this month?
I was thinking 1/week, at the minimum amount possible
I'd rather put one large order with an online discounter than spend money this way. No, I won't win a 7' pile of product but I'll have more money at the end of the day than you will.
Looking at your signature, I have the feeling you spent significantly more than me, and by quite a lot 
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Post by: Dannicus76
 Wise Guy Sam wrote:GW have alienated so many of their customers you have a pretty good chance of winning too.
...unless you are me :(
HA HA HAAA or me! Wonder when the next price increase will come! The new colors suck terminator balls! anyway!
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Post by: TheAuldGrump
nflagey wrote:how many orders do you plan to place this month?
I was thinking 1/week, at the minimum amount possible
None, this week.
Followed by twice as many next week.
The Auld Grump, three times as many the week after....
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Post by: Pouncey
As a nearly-lifetime resident of Quebec, I feel the pain of Australians and Kiwis.
So often have I seen an ad on TV that looked neat, only to hear at the end, "Residents of Quebec are not eligible for this promotion."
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Post by: Rygnan
It's a real shame that it's not here in ozland, because I've really been waiting for an excuse to start a new Eldar army
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
I got a black envelope... but alas it was not a winner.. seems unlikely I'll get another.. tbh forgot it was even running, thought it was another postcard giveaway until I read the back.
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Post by: Ruberu
Nocturus wrote:Am I the only person who wouldn't get stuff just to resell it? I'd just get things I like/need.
I would use some of it to finish off my IG and Imperial Fists, the rest I would build an extra army I could donate to my FLGS as a demo army for noobies to play around with.
I already have 7 or 8 2000 point armies and really don't have a need for another. And I would just feel wrong winning this just to turn around and sell it all for a profit when I know there are people out there in this world who can't afford an army and really want to play. I don't want brownie points with my store, I don't want anything for it, I would seriously feel like gak selling it all or making another army I don't need laying around.
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Post by: insaniak
 Rygnan wrote:It's a real shame that it's not here in ozland, because I've really been waiting for an excuse to start a new Eldar army
Indeed. It probably would have been the final incentive to buy some of the new Harlequins. As it is, I'll wait and grab them from eBay later.
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Post by: Pierced Soul
sooo as a citize/resident of australia, if i ordered from the GW US store, had it sent to my mail forwarder in Oregon and won the golden ticket, would GW a)send the stuff to the mail forwarders warehosue for me to ship to aus, b) deem me ineligible for not being a US resident and/or c) try and get the IRS to tax me even though i'm not from the US?
actually the IRS can do whatever they want. i have no plans on ever going to the states
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Post by: Gragga Da Krumpa
For me, its an excuse to buy the few web-exclusive items I want/need. I cant get them cheaper anywhere else, and the guy at my FLGS doesnt make much or anything when I buy them through him.
Ive been meaning to get the Sanctus Reach and Shield of Baal books, and they are all roughly $40-70, so theres an order or two I might do, might not.
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Post by: Computron
 Verviedi wrote:Sold my soul, I mean half my collection, tripled my account balance.
Let's do this
So I'm working on a formula to make this easier.
82 / H = Q
P * Q = V
Where H=height, Q=quantity, P=price and V=value.
Now I just need to find a way to automate it so you can plug in a kit and it returns V.
You can do stuff like that in excel.
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Post by: Schlyne
Honestly, for everybody complaining about the average height of a space marine earlier...you should see what a 7' tall stack of miniature boxes looks like, picture wise, not just the illustration they use on the website.
I don't think I can directly relink it from the local GW facebook page, so here.
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Post by: Alpharius
Thanks but...someone probably should have stood next to it too!
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Post by: Schlyne
Oh there's a picture of somebody standing next to it as well, but i'm not going to just blast that picture out there without permission of the person in the photo...
and I didn't take the photo in the first place.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Do orders containing LotR minis qualify for the comp.
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Post by: pretre
5. Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.gamesworkshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
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Post by: ImAGeek
pretre wrote:
5. Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.gamesworkshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
Yeah, that says they're excluded from the prize. His question was, are orders with LotR models eligible to enter the competition.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
 ImAGeek wrote: pretre wrote:
5. Prizes must be chosen from Citadel miniatures available on www.gamesworkshop.com at the time the winner selects their prizes. Products from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings ranges of miniatures, as well as any limited edition products, are excluded from the prize. For the avoidance of doubt, Citadel Hobby products, audiobooks and publications are excluded from the prize. ‘Realm of Battle’ products are limited to 1 per winner. Reasonable restrictions may be placed on individual product quantities by the Promoter.
Yeah, that says they're excluded from the prize. His question was, are orders with LotR models eligible to enter the competition.
A friend of me, who only plays LotR, got an envelope with his order.
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Post by: pretre
Oh. I fail at reading comprehension.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
I got an envelope with my LOTR order.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by: Verviedi
Bought $80 worth of web order.
Let's see what swag I get. I won't win, but I at least want an envelope.
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Post by: Necroagogo
No golden ticket ...
... At least I have a box of Harlies with which to console myself!
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Post by: Asmodas
So, did anybody win yet?
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Post by: pretre
WTB golden ticket.
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Post by: Dentry
No! That's not how this works. You can't just throw money at it and expect to win.
You have to throw it in GW's general direction and then you may expect to win. Of course, you can pretty much expect anything you want and 9 times out of 10 it'll come true but that's only under US law so I dunno how well that'd work here.
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Post by: pretre
I'm not asking to win. I'm asking someone who has won to sell (or give) me their golden ticket.
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
pretre wrote:I'm not asking to win. I'm asking someone who has won to sell (or give) me their golden ticket.
If I win, I'll trade it for my weight in gold. Deal?
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