Anyone have an idea on who is playing what at LVO? They're posting occasional results by name, but curious who is playing what.

Least you can find some results. I cant find anything.

well remember how crazy it is to run a event... Frontline site is updating scores and current standings. I think its 1000 a win, 500 a tie, 0 a loss. So the guys at 3000 are the undefeated. From what I understand Twitch will cover the finals tomorrow, but as for today we are in the dark on true accuracy or up to dates.

Frontlinegaming.com has the pairings listed but doesn't say what army each player has. It's also hard to read sieems a full win is worth 1000 and a tie is 500 so undefeated players from yesterday have 3000.xx
Seems they had 128 or 129 tables so 256-258 players just for the championship which is a huge turnout.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/02/20/round-3-results-and-round-4-pairings/

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything additional from the Frontline guys - I'm just wondering if anyone there are checking forums in off times and can post armies by player.

What do you mean, time off? They got here thursday, set up, and probably won't sleep until after they pack back up monday. Turns out running a 256 player 40k tournament plus about a dozen other simultanious events is a bit of work. Providing in depth coverage online takes second place to making sure the event runs well for the people actually attending.

 DarkLink wrote:
What do you mean, time off? They got here thursday, set up, and probably won't sleep until after they pack back up monday. Turns out running a 256 player 40k tournament plus about a dozen other simultanious events is a bit of work. Providing in depth coverage online takes second place to making sure the event runs well for the people actually attending.

OR, they could have planned ahead and had someone taking care of this? I was told they were going to be using some new live pairings system of some sort. It looks like a screen shot from Excel. On top of that, it isn't "live" at all. My favorite is the alphabetic pairings once sorted by bracket... bravo.

 DarkLink wrote:
What do you mean, time off? They got here thursday, set up, and probably won't sleep until after they pack back up monday. Turns out running a 256 player 40k tournament plus about a dozen other simultanious events is a bit of work. Providing in depth coverage online takes second place to making sure the event runs well for the people actually attending.

Players, people at the event - that's who I'm asking, not Reece and Frankie. I can see on the FLG website what they will provide for now. I was just hoping people with more direct contact than I have could provide any level of visibility beyond what we have. I was able to follow along in detail last year. This year I can't so I'm trying to get any information I can to live vicariously and get insight into how the event is going.

Put this into a google drive spreadsheet so you can sort it and see who the top guys are.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yt6PmoZI52aFby_4lXZILMxkI6vhiScbeVB1ptJN-Do/edit?usp=sharing

Don't have anything regarding armies though. And I don't expect much from folks at the event. Its in Vegas -- much better things to do then post army lists. Have a buddy there and other than hearing how he did I am not expecting much else till he gets back.

feth Nids! Ugh! There's your update...

The updates and pairings are really hard to understand on FLG. No torrent of fire coverage? Major blog dudes? Any of that?

They are using some form of software other than Torrent; maybe is still being developed in terms of getting to the high quality reporting and data feed aspects of Torrent. Gotta start with functionality, and all that.

Yeah I was like why are you not using Torrent of Fire, but it's probably a system their developing on their own maybe?

Anyway yeah it's hard to keep track of.

The latest update was great some surprises in the top undefeated 13. Not a single necron or knight and only one tyranid list is undefeated and the tyranid list has demon allies. An ork horde, single tau enclave, and the rest is space marines and ig and eldar.

gungo wrote:
The latest update was great some surprises in the top undefeated 13. Not a single necron or knight and only one tyranid list is undefeated and the tyranid list has demon allies. An ork horde, single tau enclave, and the rest is space marines and ig and elder.

No IKs, huh.

Where are you getting the army types?

Hollismason wrote:
Where are you getting the army types?

Frontlinegaming.org
Currently sitting at the top of the pack with a 4-0 record is;

Matt Root Orks/Orks

Alan B. (PJ Pants) Chaos Daemons/Tyranids

Brandon Grant Dark Angels/Astra Mil

Nick Nanavati Chaos Daemons/Inquisition

Isreal Sanchez Tau Enclave

Nick Rose Space Marines/Blood Angels

Nathanal Woolhouse Eldar/Dark Eldar

John Parsons Eldar

Michael Kiser Adeptius Sororitas/Astra Mil

Tyler DeVries Eldar

Ben Cromwell Eldar

Cooper Waddell Space Marines

Ian Ager Space Wolves

What's the Ork player playing that's interesting.

I would guess one big man unit of like 150+ fearless boyz and a few small units to grab objectives.

GO GO KISER, rooting for you man!

Eldar still massively overrepresented as you'd expect, but some interesting armies up there. Very interested in marine lists and the orks. Still makes me hate Eldar.

Hollismason wrote:
What's the Ork player playing that's interesting.

Green tide
It's extremely hard for competitve lists to deal with a single fearless unit of 103+ Orks that move, run, charge w rerolls each turn and has 7-8 str8-10 ap2 powerklaws and 94 str 4 boyz all with 3-4 atks on the charge, toughness 4 and 5+ fnp. And potentially for hammer of wrath hits as well.

And you can make them semi immune to shooting and overwatch with a void shield generator giving them 3 av12 regerating shields that the entire tide gets to keep as long as 1 ork is within 12 inches of the generator.

That's the jist of the list you then Get to add about another 800 points of support units. No idea what the ork player exact list entails but it's something like that.

Either Bullyboyz or Greentide. I can't remember which list he decided to go with.

I wonder what Alan is running.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Either Bullyboyz or Greentide. I can't remember which list he decided to go with.

I wonder what Alan is running.

3 tyrants, lord of change, fateweaver, deamon price

 Blackmoor wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Either Bullyboyz or Greentide. I can't remember which list he decided to go with.

I wonder what Alan is running.

3 tyrants, lord of change, fateweaver, deamon price

Interesting. Thanks other Alan

Brown, ben, myself, nick rose are all 5 0, not sure about the other 2.

Thanks for the update! Seems like a lot of the guys with one loss as of round 3 have a solid shot of final day. IE: Fennel and Nayden specifically.

Wonder if Kiser is still running strong with his sisters/am.

Pretty cool to see a Ork player in the running at the top there.

Any other posts about what he's running?

Other than green tide?

I took some pictures from the top tables and will post them later this evening. Steve Sisk is fighting Alex Fennel and Alan B is fighting Nick... Both games look really tight. Tomorrow it's all going to be streamed.

 krootman. wrote:
Brown, ben, myself, nick rose are all 5 0, not sure about the other 2.

So just posting to follow those Currently sitting at the top of the pack with a 5-0 record is;

Alan B. (PJ Pants) Chaos Daemons/Tyranids

Nick Rose Space Marines/Blood Angels

John Parsons eldar

Ben Cromwell Eldar

Nick Nanavati Chaos Daemons/Inquisition

Tyler DeVries Eldar

From BBF's post it sounds like Nanavati beat Grant if he was playing Pajama Pants.

 FTGTEvan wrote:
From BBF's post it sounds like Nanavati beat Grant if he was playing Pajama Pants.

Does anyone know what the DA/AM list Grant was running was? Havn't been able to find it anywhere and really curious what he was running with DA that got him that far

Guessing azrael and blob...!?

Really appreciate the updates, please keep em coming!!

gungo wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
What's the Ork player playing that's interesting.

.

And you can make them semi immune to shooting and overwatch with a void shield generator giving them 3 av12 regerating shields that the entire tide gets to keep as long as 1 ork is within 12 inches of the generator. .

This is probably the worst ruling in any gt currently. 150 ork boys spread out to all 4 courners of the board with 1 boy way in the back under the shield giving the whole mob protection.

Ridiculous.

Spoke with several people who were complaining about it.

Budzerker wrote:

gungo wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
What's the Ork player playing that's interesting.

.

And you can make them semi immune to shooting and overwatch with a void shield generator giving them 3 av12 regerating shields that the entire tide gets to keep as long as 1 ork is within 12 inches of the generator. .

This is probably the worst ruling in any gt currently. 150 ork boys spread out to all 4 courners of the board with 1 boy way in the back under the shield giving the whole mob protection.

Ridiculous.

Spoke with several people who were complaining about it.

yeah that seems completely stupid and a dirty way to play. Will be sad if some stupid gimmick like that ends up winning the whole thing

Budzerker wrote:

gungo wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
What's the Ork player playing that's interesting.

.

And you can make them semi immune to shooting and overwatch with a void shield generator giving them 3 av12 regerating shields that the entire tide gets to keep as long as 1 ork is within 12 inches of the generator. .

This is probably the worst ruling in any gt currently. 150 ork boys spread out to all 4 courners of the board with 1 boy way in the back under the shield giving the whole mob protection.

Ridiculous.

Spoke with several people who were complaining about it.

The wording on the void shield is unit (and target which is the same as unit) not model it has nothing to do with any ruling in any gt. It is the same as the old ork KFF that only changed this edition when GW reworded it to models and not unit. This is partly the reason I am sure most tournaments ban the VSG, it's very powerful with the right builds. However it's not terribly hard to glance 3x av12.

Top Standings are up. Top 8:

Nanavati: Daemons/Inq
Nick Rose: Marines/BA
Tyler DeVries: Eldar
Vincente Arroyo: CSM/Daemons
Steve Sisk: SM/IK
Nayden: Tyranids/Tyranids
Aaron Albert: GK/SM
Geoff Thompson: Wolves/AM

Talk about spectacular diversity in that top 30 WOW! Loving it right now.

 FTGTEvan wrote:
Top Standings are up. Top 8:

Nanavati: Daemons/Inq
Nick Rose: Marines/BA
Tyler DeVries: Eldar
Vincente Arroyo: CSM/Daemons
Steve Sisk: SM/IK
Nayden: Tyranids/Tyranids
Aaron Albert: GK/SM
Geoff Thompson: Wolves/AM

With orks in 9th and tau in 10th. This is a very diverse and balanced top 10 list. I don't believe I've ever seen a tournament in a long time where the the top 10 wasn't completely filled with the same 2-3 Codexs.

Btw the top three are the only people that are 6-0 and undefeated correct? That means there is a decent chance the eventually winner may not be undefeated.

Top 3 are undefeated. It's 1000 points for a win, so only 6k plus totals won all 6.

Here are some pictures from day 2 last round:

http://greenblowfly.blogspot.com/2015/02/lvo-report-day-2.html

Wow no Necrons in the top 25 much less top 8.

Only Marines and Chaos Demons showing up multiple times.

Dare I say it but does this mean the game is entering a balanced state and GW finally making at least somewhat reasonable decisions?(At least from a rulings/Balance Point of view no comment on pricing and other) I may need to go lie down.

@tsilber: I finished 5-1. Lost to Tyler's Eldar in round 5.

Tir Mcdoul wrote:
Wow no Necrons in the top 25 much less top 8.

Only Marines and Chaos Demons showing up multiple times.

Dare I say it but does this mean the game is entering a balanced state and GW finally making at least somewhat reasonable decisions?(At least from a rulings/Balance Point of view no comment on pricing and other) I may need to go lie down.

Well the necron codex is only two weeks? Old so it needs a it more time for people to put a few models together and paint them.
While balance is much much better don't forget the lvo takes certain liberties with rules changes. I believe the following are true
2+ rerolls only have 4+ on the Reroll
Invisibility is bs1 and assault hits on 6.
Certain lord of wars super heavies are banned still
And tournaments still limit to two detachments.

However yeah this tournament looks like it could of went to almost any army. Heck the eventual winner may not even be undefeated.


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PanzerLeader wrote:
@tsilber: I finished 5-1. Lost to Tyler's Eldar in round 5.

Great job with sisters of battle still got top 20 that's awesome.

gungo wrote:

Tir Mcdoul wrote:
Wow no Necrons in the top 25 much less top 8.

Only Marines and Chaos Demons showing up multiple times.

Dare I say it but does this mean the game is entering a balanced state and GW finally making at least somewhat reasonable decisions?(At least from a rulings/Balance Point of view no comment on pricing and other) I may need to go lie down.

Well the necron codex is only two weeks? Old so it needs a it more time for people to put a few models together and paint them.
While balance is much much better don't forget the lvo takes certain liberties with rules changes. I believe the following are true
2+ rerolls only have 4+ on the Reroll
Invisibility is bs1 and assault hits on 6.
Certain lord of wars super heavies are banned still
And tournaments still limit to two detachments.

However yeah this tournament looks like it could of went to almost any army. Heck the eventual winner may not even be undefeated.


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PanzerLeader wrote:
@tsilber: I finished 5-1. Lost to Tyler's Eldar in round 5.

Great job with sisters of battle still got top 20 that's awesome.

Even with the slight rules edits and limited Super-heavy list....I would call this by far the most diverse showing I have seen in a long time if ever.

Team anyone but eldar!

Chancetragedy wrote:
Talk about spectacular diversity in that top 30 WOW! Loving it right now.

Diversity... 1/3 of the top 30 is Eldar...

An absurd percentage of the field had multiple flyrants, counting allies.

 DarkLink wrote:
An absurd percentage of the field had multiple flyrants, counting allies.

Well... They are arguably the best flyer in the game and this is a competition so...............

Was hopeful that a nid player would win the LVO but its looking like the chances are slim!

Anybody know the list of the top Nid player?

What are those guys in the top6 who are running Space Marines actually using? For them to be up there they have to be getting wins against the Flyrants, Serpents, Decurions, Daemons and whatnot, so I'd be really interested in hearing about their army lists.

The top 5th army is Steve Sisk's White Scars/ with an Errant.

I played it round 5 and almost had it. It went on to turn 6 and he took the win instead.

He's running

Khan
Chapter Master
Command squad on bikes

4 Bike units
Sicaran

Knight Errant

It was my only loss of the tournament. I needed it to end on 5th turn to win it.

I went 3 wins, 1 loss, 2 ties.

Anyone know what Nick Rose's SM/BA has in it?

Any idea of what was roughly in Ian Ager's pure space wolf list?

 Wilson wrote:


Anybody know the list of the top Nid player?

Sean Nayden Pilots "Lictor Shame", it comboes lictor formation with mawlocs to run counter meta to serpents. Has some MSU elements as well. I have heard this is what he is playing LVO, not 100% confirmed.

http://vectdoes.blogspot.com/ < his blog, has his list and battle reports.

Breazeal wrote:

 Wilson wrote:


Anybody know the list of the top Nid player?

Sean Nayden Pilots "Lictor Shame", it comboes lictor formation with mawlocs to run counter meta to serpents. Has some MSU elements as well. I have heard this is what he is playing LVO, not 100% confirmed.

http://vectdoes.blogspot.com/ < his blog, has his list and battle reports.

Cheers mate.

 MLKTH wrote:
Anyone know what Nick Rose's SM/BA has in it?

Lysander
Grav cents x3
40 scouts with bolters
2x5 devastor squads with las cannons
thunderfire

Blood angels
mephiston
libby
more scouts
command squad
drop pods


(From the 'what are you bringing to LVO?' thread)

 Mulletdude wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Talk about spectacular diversity in that top 30 WOW! Loving it right now.

Diversity... 1/3 of the top 30 is Eldar...

1/10 eldar are no longer as bad, demons, space marine and tyranids are more common

Thanks to the helpful people providing lists or links to the lists.

Any idea about the #1 Chaos Demons / Inquisition list, and/or the #4 Chaos Space Marines / Chaos Demons list?

The army barely outside top10 with Demons allied with Tyranids interests me a lot too. A lot of cool stuff here.

Nick's
Fateweaver
Herald of Tzeentch - Exalted Reward, Lesser Reward, Disc, Lvl 3
Herald of Tzeentch - Disc, Lvl 3
Herald of Nurgle - Locus of Fecundity (Feel No Pain for unit), Greater Reward, Lvl 2
Herald of Nurgle - Greater Reward, Lvl 2

11x Horrors
10x Horrors

8x Screamers
8x Screamers
8x Plague Drones with Champion - Venom Sting. Champion has a greater reward

Inquisitor - 3x Servo Skulls



The Daemon/Nids
should be

Lord of Change
Fateweaver

2x nurgling (or was it horrors?)

tz DP

3x flyrants

3x mucolids

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jCcVilaW2pvunF-UlbM67ah0tDDBIc2u4PeT1klO6dk/edit#gid=1482831394

A complete list of scores in a spreadsheet.

A public affairs rep would be great at events like this. I think the organizers may underestimate the outside interests of these events. Someones roll there could/should be pumping this info out via blog, video, or something.

I guess my standard to compare is how NOVA does it. They have dudes come in and "cover" the event. List, wins, players... heck Ive spent much of a weekend watching live play at table one before!

Just one humble fans opinion.

when are the broadcasts staring and where? Anyone have a time and link?

PanzerLeader wrote:
@tsilber: I finished 5-1. Lost to Tyler's Eldar in round 5.

Ahh man, Love to hear about the match ups next we play at the same tourney.

Hell of a good showing though man! Heck of a good showing.
And it doesnt look like you missed final day by much either.

can anyone give me a rough idea how many hours from now will the games be streamed? i live across the globe, so it's hard to tell.

 Red Corsair wrote:
when are the broadcasts staring and where? Anyone have a time and link?

No idea when, but

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv/

Not sure when the feed starts but round 7 starts 10am pacific standard time or UTC-08:00.

This tournament was awesome out of 256 players with most lord of wars and all forgeworkd legal so many Codexs were competitive and only 22 players went 5-1 and 3 are 6-0. This tournament was extremely well balanced rules wise. No unit dominated the scene. While quite a few people played flyrants only 1 tyranid list made it to the championship round and it's not even undefeated. This tournament seemed so close that the eventual winner may not even be undefeated. I'm very impressed by the first majot tourney of the year and games workshop putting out a relatively balanced ruleset considering every army is now updated to 6th/7th edition. Other then necrons whose book just came out was there any codexs that weren't able to go 5-1?

I forget was admantium lance legal for LVO?

I love some of the allies, NIck N should be ashamed! All the tau using Nids, shame!

But I think the story here is, what is the CSM/Deamon list. Is it a DP and 2 units of cultist and the rest deamons or what?

Egh inqusition and demons are fluffy. Reading the inquisition codex other than a few die hard anti chaos inqusitors. They all seem to make pacts with demons or use chaos for thier own agenda. Look at demon host units as an example. Even reportedly purists like Cortez dabbles with chaos to extend his life.

Now tyranid and Tau allies is just wrong. Lol

Nevermind

gungo wrote:
Egh inqusition and demons are fluffy. Reading the inquisition codex other than a few die hard anti chaos inqusitors. They all seem to make pacts with demons or use chaos for thier own agenda. Look at demon host units as an example. Even reportedly purists like Cortez dabbles with chaos to extend his life.

Now tyranid and Tau allies is just wrong. Lol

My tone was lost, I actually could careless what people run for allies. The rules say it so let it be done, part of the game and honestly doesnt bother me at all. I was just making a joke and busting some stones. Ally whatever you like, whenever you like.

Still funny to see... regardless fluff reason behind it, comical.

Lot of diversity in the top 8, but ultimately about the same levels of popularity across the field.

Interesting to see the win rate of GK and Tyranids, though. GK being surprisingly high, Tyranids surprisingly low.



* Of note: the posted stats do not include anyone that dropped out, meaning the statistics do not include a lot of losses if we assume that people who dropped did so with negative records. Best I could do, folks.

 Byte wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
when are the broadcasts staring and where? Anyone have a time and link?

No idea when, but

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv/

Thanks man much appreciated!


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chipstar1 wrote:
Lot of diversity in the top 8, but ultimately about the same levels of popularity across the field.

Interesting to see the win rate of GK and Tyranids, though. GK being surprisingly high, Tyranids surprisingly low.



* Of note: the posted stats do not include anyone that dropped out, meaning the statistics do not include a lot of losses if we assume that people who dropped did so with negative records. Best I could do, folks.

I would say that's because of censtar which makes it seem deceiving. Without Loth I would imagine those numbers dip a tad. Just a guess though.

Completely agree that this is a cent-star lead statistics. Draigo's auto gate + Loth providing Invis, or Tiggy/Libby looking for Invis and Perfect timing.

Interesting how even with all the hate and bad press Eldar get, SM Codex is the most popular with a nearly similar win rate.

Love it.

 Byte wrote:
Interesting how even with all the hate and bad press Eldar get, SM Codex is the most popular with a nearly similar win rate.

Love it.

Eldar aren't the most popular, they don't have anywhere close to the best win rate, and they aren't anywhere close to the most represented faction in the top10. Overall if one would be inclined to jump into conclusions the Eldar seem quite balanced compared to let's say Chaos Demons and Knights.

Wonder if the pairings for the top 8 are like most events.... 1/8, 2/7, 3/6, 4/5? If so those should be some very interesting matchups and games.

 Therion wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Interesting how even with all the hate and bad press Eldar get, SM Codex is the most popular with a nearly similar win rate.

Love it.

Eldar aren't the most popular, they don't have anywhere close to the best win rate, and they aren't anywhere close to the most represented faction in the top10. Overall if one would be inclined to jump into conclusions the Eldar seem quite balanced compared to let's say Chaos Demons and Knights.

You totally missed my point.

 Therion wrote:

 Byte wrote:
Interesting how even with all the hate and bad press Eldar get, SM Codex is the most popular with a nearly similar win rate.

Love it.

Eldar aren't the most popular, they don't have anywhere close to the best win rate, and they aren't anywhere close to the most represented faction in the top10. Overall if one would be inclined to jump into conclusions the Eldar seem quite balanced compared to let's say Chaos Demons and Knights.

As far as I can tell going into round 6, 3 of the undefeateds were eldar players (myself, ben, and Tyler ) I played tyler, the game literally came down to a dice roll to determine the winner, and the round before I played eldar as well, so I know alot of eldar players knocked each other out.
the problem I ran into, was because I lost malestrom in quite a few games, so once I lost I was out ( idropped all the way to 21, from 4th)

I think the book is quite strong, but with anything you need alot of pratice, I played about 45 lvo test games over the course of the last 2 and a half months.

That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

chipstar1 wrote:
Completely agree that this is a cent-star lead statistics. Draigo's auto gate + Loth providing Invis, or Tiggy/Libby looking for Invis and Perfect timing.

Actually, no. Top GKs is a centstar, but I pulled 14th with Imperial Knights as my secondary.

Some cool notes on the event

http://www.torrentoffire.com/6656/lvo-players-to-watch

 DarkLink wrote:

chipstar1 wrote:
Completely agree that this is a cent-star lead statistics. Draigo's auto gate + Loth providing Invis, or Tiggy/Libby looking for Invis and Perfect timing.

Actually, no. Top GKs is a centstar, but I pulled 14th with Imperial Knights as my secondary.

Every other list besides yours that featured GK primary was GK + Marines, except for a GK + Wolves player. So.... actually yeah.

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

What's in his army?

How does LVO rule grav shooting? Model by model or majority armor?

 DarkLink wrote:

chipstar1 wrote:
Completely agree that this is a cent-star lead statistics. Draigo's auto gate + Loth providing Invis, or Tiggy/Libby looking for Invis and Perfect timing.

Actually, no. Top GKs is a centstar, but I pulled 14th with Imperial Knights as my secondary.

What was in your army darklink ? Max dreadknights and 2 imperial knights ?


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 Byte wrote:
How does LVO rule grav shooting? Model by model or majority armor?

Is there anything to rule ? I thought the rules where pretty clear that you use the majority of save in target unit when the grav wounds ? Never heard of anything else. Just like to wound against T.

 Therion wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

What's in his army?

Assuming you mean Sean since Nick's list is a page back. Stole this from another thread:

tag8833 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
OrdoSean is in the top 8 currently - very tough opponent indeed. What list was he using?

its a less extreme version of lictor shame. 3 flyrants. No Genestealers. He will be playing on twitch Sunday, and he is a friendly guy that will probably batrep the tourney.

Interesting thing about LVO. There is a chance there are more flyrants than tactical marines.

His old #Lictorshame list consisted of 9 Lictors, but it appears that he is only using 4 this time. Tyranids with Tyranid allies can't get more than that, and I believe under the LVO format you can't have CAD + Allies + formation as that would be three sources. Otherwise I'm quite certain he would have enjoyed bringing the Deathleaper Assassin Brood


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 DarkLink wrote:

chipstar1 wrote:
Completely agree that this is a cent-star lead statistics. Draigo's auto gate + Loth providing Invis, or Tiggy/Libby looking for Invis and Perfect timing.

Actually, no. Top GKs is a centstar, but I pulled 14th with Imperial Knights as my secondary.

What was in your army darklink ? Max dreadknights and 2 imperial knights ?


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 Byte wrote:
How does LVO rule grav shooting? Model by model or majority armor?

Is there anything to rule ? I thought the rules where pretty clear that you use the majority of save in target unit when the grav wounds ? Never heard of anything else. Just like to wound against T.

That would be especially tedious as each wound could potentially need to be allocated individually if there was a difference on a model-to-model basis. I can't see any major TO ruling that it works this way.

I had a librarian, 2 5 man terminator squads, 3 dreadknights, and 2 imperial knights. Fun list, but it needs a fire raptor. Can't kill FMCs. I figured going in I couldn't make top 8, but I got about as close as possible without running SM allies instead.

Whats the Space Marine / Blood Angel player playing, also the Twitch stream doesn't seem to be working?

Sad days for Blood Angels on the win % chart. :(

Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

Afaik the twitch stream isn't live yet. Round 7 is at 10am pst.

Also the tournament is going very well. The last thing someone organizing a tournamnet should care about is people sitting at home and worry more about the people who are there and paid to be there.

Last year he posted the final lists and standings when they had time after it was over. No one at home in entitled to instant status updates or free live feeds. It's kinda absurd to call the tournament a cluster fak because you feel the need for someone there to hand feed you instant updates. the idea of people acting like they are entitled to free handouts annoys me.

Also according to the last podcast they are using i house software to make easier uploads for the ITC format. It was taking them a lot of time to calculate results from the various events and put them into the ITC rankings.

 DarkLink wrote:
I had a librarian, 2 5 man terminator squads, 3 dreadknights, and 2 imperial knights. Fun list, but it needs a fire raptor. Can't kill FMCs. I figured going in I couldn't make top 8, but I got about as close as possible without running SM allies instead.

Yeah raptor is good but how are you sqeesing it in ? Drop a dreadknight ?

Hollismason wrote:
Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

I thought I clicked a dakka link, but clearly I'm on a tumblr blog. Holy gak.

As far as it goes all tournaments get this criticism and the fine gents running lvo made it clear all this information was going to be available. Instead people are having to dig for it.

As someone who judges and helps with multiple gets am I allowed to comment or is my privilege going to get in the way?

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

wow what a rant

Looking from outside in, everything seems fine. All people in the GT who have posted on different forum seems to report that they enjoy themeselves and that the GT is running smooth.

That they use a another program that torrent should be a none-issue. And i'm shure we will get reports and lists later.

gungo wrote:
Afaik the twitch stream isn't live yet. Round 7 is at 10am pst.

Also the tournament is going very well. The last thing someone organizing a tournamnet should care about is people sitting at home and worry more about the people who are there and paid to be there.

Last year he posted the final lists and standings when they had time after it was over. No one at home in entitled to instant status updates or free live feeds. It's kinda absurd to call the tournament a cluster fak because you feel the need for someone there to hand feed you instant updates. the idea of people acting like they are entitled to free handouts annoys me.

So other large GT's do this. It's not hard. It really isn't. Focusing on the idea that "when they had time after it was over", just speaks more volumes about how unprepared they truly are. Could have literally had a volunteer doing this for them, with a software that was of no cost to them. People do these things for fun, and to help out. It wasn't taken advantage of, because once again, someone wanted to be the king of their sand castle.

Stop making excuses for them. It was poorly planned and executed from the start, with an hour delay due to pairings.

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

holy crow dude, check your privilaged-ass at the door. They don't owe you anything or have any obligation to you or any of us, we aren't supporting them in any way shape or form. Their obligation is to those local who traveled and payed to be there. You sitting in your recliner looking at a monitor isn't paying anything so deserves nothing.

SGnewton wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Sorry your upset that the tournament organizers are focusing on making sure that the top priority is making sure the tournament is actually well run and not getting some person on the internet a army list, providing video to the event , and constantly updating you with information as to every nuance that happens.

Check your privilege.

I thought I clicked a dakka link, but clearly I'm on a tumblr blog. Holy gak.

As far as it goes all tournaments get this criticism and the fine gents running lvo made it clear all this information was going to be available. Instead people are having to dig for it.

As someone who judges and helps with multiple gets am I allowed to comment or is my privilege going to get in the way?

I'm obviously the only person that wanted this information as well. Not to mention the hand created lists being passed out with scores that are actually sortable in a logical way. I must have some nerve wanting information that was promised to be done live and online. Such a jerk.


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AHAHAHAHHAA. So because you helped players who actually went to the event playtest their list against you they owe you something?? And because you purchased a frontline product that means you are owed anything else besides that product itself??? Seriously you must be a sheltered kid to think either of those translates to any obligation they have to you or anyone else not actually present at the event. This isn't any "white knight" behavior, just a casual observer who is pointing out your hypocrisy.

If these things are so easy to do why don't you spend the time and money to fly down yourself and work for free doing all this stuff you are demanding? Probably because most people have jobs and obligations, and those who have payed/traveled to be there do so to compete, not volunteer their time and money to satiate a bunch of demanding donkey-caves on the internet for free.

I have bought two frontline gaming mats and play against other tournament players who went there. Therefore, I expect my carrier pigeon with up to date info any moment now.

Ok probably time to reign this thread back into actual LVO updates, not "what I think should have happened at the LVO"

Maaksel, I understand your desire to see more of the event next time. Might I suggest actually going next year if you feel this way? I myself was unable to attend this year and would have enjoyed more updates, but this is a new thing for the Frontline crew (and relatively new for 40k in general, even though it has been pioneered by some).

Everyone else, perhaps we can understand some of where he is coming from instead of ripping apart the destination he has arrived at? Round seven is about to start and I have some Lictors to root for


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 Iechine wrote:
I have bought two frontline gaming mats and play against other tournament players who went there. Therefore, I expect my carrier pigeon with up to date info any moment now.

Oh sweet baby Jesus. If I knew it came with a carrier pigeon, I would have bought at least four by now. Waiting for the bio alien theme though...


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Also FYI the stream just sent out a live notification

Reecius posted like 15 minutes ago on his website he will be posting the army lists. The championship rounds hasn't even started yet.

Frontline gaming promised NOTHING but a live feed of the championship round and to eventually post the army lists.

You ranting about how you expect army lists to be publicly posted already and how poorly run the tournament is already proven to be baseless and wrong.

loar wrote:

maaksel wrote:
Is it just me, or is this incredibly poorly ran tournament from the outside looking in? "Snafu's", no consistent updates, very little to do with army lists.

I guess, in a digital world, I expect things to be - I don't know, digital? It was my understanding that Torrent of Fire was free to use, yet was declined because of some in house software? Did you just trial this out on us as guinea pigs? Your "software developer" should be ashamed to have that "product" at a major GT. I have a great idea, lets just use this trial software in products. feth it, we'll do it live.

Why all this crap? If you already had a tool available and free to use. Why is the twitch stream not functioning properly? Where are the army lists? Why is it become nearly a black hole in regards to getting information out. Why do I need to text people at the event to see how things are going. One of the things that really confuses me, is that the software paired people alphabetically. What? Seriously? Once again Mr. "Software Developer", for shame.

In all, i think this boils down to poor planning, and an ego trip. Someone wants to be king of the sandbox, and all they can see. They didn't want to bring in a functioning tool, proven time and time again to do exactly what they had to custom create.

I'm hoping onsite, the event ran much smoother. Because outside looking in, it's a total cluster feth

holy crow dude, check your privilaged-ass at the door. They don't owe you anything or have any obligation to you or any of us, we aren't supporting them in any way shape or form. Their obligation is to those local who traveled and payed to be there. You sitting in your recliner looking at a monitor isn't paying anything so deserves nothing.

Jesus so we cannot be upset because the information that was touted by the organizers to be made available isn't. When something is promised and not delivered people get frustrated. At this point though having a discussion about an event I feel like I would have a better discussion at: http://checkprivilege.tumblr.com

I would like more info in real time. It's a "brand", sell it. Make me want it.

NOVA has no issue with real time coverage for us "nobodies" at home. I personally enjoy the coverage and hold it in very high regard.

I've monitored game matchups and scores in real time of buddies without having to text and bug the crap out of them.

As I posted earlier in this thread. The external interest in these events is under appreciated. I consider that a shame regardless of the dismissive attitude that those that think otherwise have/exhibit. They can bring in some hired guns to come in and handle public relations and generally be the talking head. Not everybody needs to be a judge to run an event.

Do you really think the TOs of these national GTs really have no vested interest in the "fans". Whats the point of a competitive event without fans/exposer? It may take some time, but that element will get figured out. Heck, theres jobs in Hollywood based on internet following. Think major sponsors. Even competive hotdog eating draws a crowd.


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The live feed is on now BTW.

I have to say the livestream on twitch.tv is great. 40K is moving forward. Good to see.

I really like the dice box cam.

Starting to stream tournaments actively could actually turn out to be a real way to grow this hobby. Thousands and thousands of gamers watch cs:go, sc2, dota, lol and other games on twitch every day, and exposure like this for 40K is great.

It's good to see incontrol casting. I've watched his sc2 stream for years.

very frustrating that they're only streaming in max quality, which some of us aren't able to stream smoothly-_-

 Therion wrote:
Starting to stream tournaments actively could actually turn out to be a real way to grow this hobby. Thousands and thousands of gamers watch cs:go, sc2, dota, lol and other games on twitch every day, and exposure like this for 40K is great.

It's good to see incontrol casting. I've watched his sc2 stream for years.

Its been done for awhile now, the issue was the LVO hasn't been doing it until today.

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Gee thanks Luke!

All kidding aside, good fortune and good luck to Nick and Sean, proof that nice guys don't always finish last!


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Also, I love that Dark Angels and Eldar have the same win rate. From the games I played and what I saw on other tables, everyone had their three favorite solutions to kill wave serpents lined up. I think that the meta is extremely well prepared to kill a lot of serpents quickly.

Aaron Albert is playing cent-star with GK (3 dk, draigo, 2 SS). Loth, scouts and cents for sm.

what was the Dark Angels player playing?

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Thanks man


minus first round pairings being late, the event as a whole went pretty smooth, remember 256 people showed up for this event.

Also the Internet in the hall sucks donkey balls, it was pretty hard trying to post on dakka during the event yesterday.

I've stayed out of the bitch fest so far, despite a lot more personal and professional interest than most.

But I have to say "random" pairing the finals is absolutely absurd. You have seeds for players, use them! Instead, you have the two guys that flew 2,000 miles out there looking to knock each other out in the first round. There is a reason every legitimate tournament seeds their elimination rounds, why does this not translate?

Just, ugh.

As a participant, I can say that I absolutely loved the event and had a great time. Sorry if it hasn't been a great spectator event for those at home!

I'm at work right now and cant stream twitch, but whats are the pairings?

Nick "brown" Nanavati -Chaos Demons Inquisition

Nick "Darkwyn" Rose -Space Marines Blood Angels

Tyler "Moose" DeVries -Eldar None

Vicente arroyo -Chaos Space Marines Chaos Demons

Steve Sisk-Space Marines Imperial Knights

Sean Nayden-Tyrainds Tyrainds

Aaron "CaptainA" Albert-Grey Knights Space Marines

geoff "easysauce" Thompson-Space Wolves Astra Militarum

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok probably time to reign this thread back into actual LVO updates

Mod note: Yes, please... thanks all

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From elsewhere, but related:

 jy2 wrote:
Had some tough matches, especially against 2 fellow Tyranid players, including Mr. Lictorshame himself, Sean Nayden, and John Parsons aka krootman.

I'd love to hear how these games went, if krootman is still posting / has Dakka access there!

Good to see "Mr. Lictorshame" is still in it, at least

 Verthane wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
That's a shame. Outside of Sean's list, I would have preferred you and Nick to rep the east coast for the finals. Now we see if Sean can get there. Either way, I love his list being in the top 8

Gee thanks Luke!

All kidding aside, good fortune and good luck to Nick and Sean, proof that nice guys don't always finish last!


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Also, I love that Dark Angels and Eldar have the same win rate. From the games I played and what I saw on other tables, everyone had their three favorite solutions to kill wave serpents lined up. I think that the meta is extremely well prepared to kill a lot of serpents quickly.

Haha I should have clarified - out of the players in the top 8

 RiTides wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok probably time to reign this thread back into actual LVO updates

Mod note: Yes, please... thanks all

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From elsewhere, but related:

 jy2 wrote:
Had some tough matches, especially against 2 fellow Tyranid players, including Mr. Lictorshame himself, Sean Nayden, and John Parsons aka krootman.

I'd love to hear how these games went, if krootman is still posting / has Dakka access there!

Good to see "Mr. Lictorshame" is still in it, at least

I played jy2 with penta flyrants with my eldar in kps. It was a close game , but I had some good luck, and wraith knights are a good counter to flyrants.

 krootman. wrote:


I had some good luck, and wraith knights are a good counter to flyrants.

In my experience against my wife's dual WK eldar, that means you rolled , then , and he hadnt jinked. : /

Watched the GK draigostar with loth vs the sentinels and BA allies list.

Looked like the BA had the upper hand on round 1 when he managed to do a lot of damage to the dreadknights.

GK managed to pull it back to a close match, especially after the cents annihilated the sentinels/BA hq unit that had Mephy and Lysander in it.

It got down to where the draigo star was the only GK unit, and there were sentinels scout squads here and there.

So with the end of the game approaching, he gated over to one of them.

And scattered.

And mishapped.

And rolled a 1.

Top 4

Nick Rose SM/BA
Tyler Debries Eldar
Sean Nayden Nids
Geoff Thompson SW/IG

Wow Sean N, knocked out Nick N. gogo Sean! CSM!

Yeah they tied the game but Sean beat Nick in victory points because he killed units that Nick summoned.

 Julnlecs wrote:
Yeah they tied the game but Sean beat Nick in victory points because he killed units that Nick summoned.

As any smart player would...

Heard it was a great game none the less. I know Nick N put some self imposed restrictions in place. He was not utilizing Fateweavers reroll. He made a promise to Sean a while ago next time they played in a GT he would make up for a rules mistake He was using at templecon 2014, round 4, that ended up costing Sean the game, well at least hindered or hurt Sean in some way, not sure if it actually cost him the game or not.

First Class of Nick N, to uphold the promise, dont think it could swing a game though between 2 great players.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Watched the GK draigostar with loth vs the sentinels and BA allies list.

Looked like the BA had the upper hand on round 1 when he managed to do a lot of damage to the dreadknights.

GK managed to pull it back to a close match, especially after the cents annihilated the sentinels/BA hq unit that had Mephy and Lysander in it.

It got down to where the draigo star was the only GK unit, and there were sentinels scout squads here and there.

So with the end of the game approaching, he gated over to one of them.

And scattered.

And mishapped.

And rolled a 1.

Yeah I heard about this on our local forum. Apparently, he almost had a game of it until that. Poor Aaron.

I felt all of the pain watching that Centstar mishap... I have seen the already low model-count GK crumble too many times because of a single roll going that awry.

I lost in the finals of a decent sized tournament when on top of Turn 1, two of my DK's dropped in, scattered insanely badly, mishapped, and both rolled ones, putting me down 530pts before my opponent had even played a turn. :-p

Loving seeing 'Nids and Wolves in the top four though! Any idea what those lists look like?

the nids has like 6 lictors, some flyrants, and spore clusters, not sure what else.

Final pairings
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tyJ1S800JlsYnEGYtLhePeA/htmlview

I'd be curious to know what that SW list is.

Current finals matchup list:

http://imgur.com/7oeFVCP

Sean Nayden looks just like a General Zod's mute henchmen in the old Christopher Reeves Superman II.

DarthDiggler wrote:
Sean Nayden looks just like a General Zod's mute henchmen in the old Christopher Reeves Superman II.

I love you

Looks like Nick Rose is going to win the semi round with Primary Kill Points, First Blood, Linebreaker and Warlord.

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv

 pretre wrote:
I'd be curious to know what that SW list is.

Seconded. Really impressed with the Twitch feed came out very nice.

'Nids go to finals! The list.

http://imgur.com/7oeFVCP

So he beat the eldar list shown next to his, right? (Which seems to be the type of list he built "lictorshame" to be able to handle)

Who is he facing in the finals?

Darkwynn (Nick Rose) who's running a bunch of scouts and such.

#endlesschat

 RiTides wrote:
So he beat the eldar list shown next to his, right? (Which seems to be the type of list he built "lictorshame" to be able to handle)

Who is he facing in the finals?

Its Nayden/Lictorshame vs Nick Rose (Darkwynn)/Scouts and pods.

And yeah lictorshame tabled a lynx on skyshield and 4 serpents list. Lynx killed two mawlocs with D but lictors + flyrants wittled away at serpents.

The finals lists.

http://imgur.com/20KLApr

So how does lictorshame work? I don't really understand how it won that.

Eyjio wrote:
So how does lictorshame work? I don't really understand how it won that.

The Flyrants were the stars really. The tyrant guard wrecked face as well. Mawlocs got work in. Lictors were kind of a filler in the semi final.

600 viewers watching live. Pretty cool.

Also, since no one has noted it yet, this match up (Nick v. Sean) already happened in an earlier round with Nick pulling it out. Should be interesting to see if Sean learned anything from the previous match up he can use now.

Nice log Tyler making it to the top 4 and Matt for missing top 8 by 1 stinking point.

Bugs win!

Wow Nayden pulled out the W. Incredible

Yeah that was a really interesting game.

Have orks placed at least in the top 8 since their new codex came out in any noteworthy tournament? I dont mean 600 points of orks supported by 1250 points of necrons, I mean pure ork lists?

 Orock wrote:
Have orks placed at least in the top 8 since their new codex came out in any noteworthy tournament? I dont mean 600 points of orks supported by 1250 points of necrons, I mean pure ork lists?

They almost did this time. It was ninth or tenth here. Kind of an arbitrary distinction. They also basically just abused the VSG FAQ though so that really doesn't count for too much to me

can anyone give me summaries of sean's games that were streamed? :(

Deshkar wrote:
can anyone give me summaries of sean's games that were streamed? :(

Summary - he kicked ass, took names, and raped a Lynx with a Lictor.

Well played, Sean!

Orks aren't really a super competitve codex. It's actually one of the least competive. I would say the main reason this one worked was greentide is a decent formation that plays very different then most people are use to in competition settings and the void sheild gave it a nice combo. The next closest ork player was 67th place.

 Verthane wrote:

Deshkar wrote:
can anyone give me summaries of sean's games that were streamed? :(

Summary - he kicked ass, took names, and raped a Lynx with a Lictor.

Well played, Sean!

I very much enjoyed the ravaging that that Lictor gave the Lynx

Only two of Sean's games were streamed. They should be up on frontline gaming's YouTube channel in 24/48 hours

 luke1705 wrote:

 Orock wrote:
Have orks placed at least in the top 8 since their new codex came out in any noteworthy tournament? I dont mean 600 points of orks supported by 1250 points of necrons, I mean pure ork lists?

They almost did this time. It was ninth or tenth here. Kind of an arbitrary distinction. They also basically just abused the VSG FAQ though so that really doesn't count for too much to me

They didn't abuse the faq the void shield is the same wording as the old kff and specifies unit not model. No one complained about the old kff with its 6in aoe for all units. The void shield wasn't eve a popular choice and he only was able to use it effectively because The greentide just happens to be the largest unit in game. He was ninth and missed the top 8 by 1 point.

Ok so abused might be the wrong term. But if you bring that same list, or any ork list, without a KFF, they're not going to be in the top 50. I don't think that that single model (a fortification no less) should be the singular reason why the army is good

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok so abused might be the wrong term. But if you bring that same list, or any ork list, without a KFF, they're not going to be in the top 50. I don't think that that single model (a fortification no less) should be the singular reason why the army is good

Agreed. Flyrants are overpowered.

 Orock wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok so abused might be the wrong term. But if you bring that same list, or any ork list, without a KFF, they're not going to be in the top 50. I don't think that that single model (a fortification no less) should be the singular reason why the army is good

Agreed. Flyrants are overpowered.

have an exalt for having the same thought as me.

 luke1705 wrote:
Ok so abused might be the wrong term. But if you bring that same list, or any ork list, without a KFF, they're not going to be in the top 50. I don't think that that single model (a fortification no less) should be the singular reason why the army is good

Ork Greentide was top 5 templecon this year... no voidshield or KFF or anything of the sort... Just big, fearless, PK galore, and FNP...

 Byte wrote:
Bugs win!

Oh man, awesome! I'll have to watch the recording of the finals when they get it up.

I missed Best Paint and those other top announcements when I was watching twitch. could someone post those?

And did Sirus Chappel really get the Wooden Bolter?

Oh wow. Lictors. So many Lictors. That's a rarity in itself.

Of course, Mass Mucolid was to be expected - and a lot of the carrying was probably done by the Flyrants (which, to be fair is the same for 95% of the Tyranid lists out there - Flyrants are the real stars, everything else is just chaff). Also, the scout-pods.

Glad to see Bugs doing well though! LEviathan really added a lot for us..

(Like 15 point troops choices! Hue hue hue.)

Hollismason wrote:
what was the Dark Angels player playing?

^ this. I'm on the edge of my seat.

I want to see the Dark Angel list and the Space Wolves list.

That award ceremony which I watched most of was incredibly awkward.

 Brothererekose wrote:
I missed Best Paint and those other top announcements when I was watching twitch. could someone post those?

And did Sirus Chappel really get the Wooden Bolter?

No, Sirus accidentally took an illegal list and got DQ'd. I believe he took a knight as a LOW, but ran it as part of a detachment that doesn't have a LOW slot. He hadn't played in a while, honest mistake.

The best part of the awards was like when they kept having to explain to the guys getting the awards to actually stand with the women, which was also very awkard except for some guys who were like "Yea!!"

bunkermonkey9 wrote:
I want to see the Dark Angel list and the Space Wolves list.

The space wolf list in the finals? Lots of drop pods, I believe. Guy was being a douche to his opponents, though. Never actually cheated as far as I saw, but was coming up with a bunch of bs rules arguments on every little thing his opponent did. They had to post a judge on him full-time to keep an eye on him. Luckily he got knocked out of the running for best general, from what I saw and heard from other people who watched some of his other games he didn't deserve a win.

Lictors vs Scouts in the final? Orks in the top 10? (Missing the top 8 finals by one point I heard) No Necron Decurions/Wraiths on the top tables?

Oh my, it almost seems as if I can't trust the internet on what's going to win big tournaments

Big congrats to the winner, and great job by everyone at Frontline who organize a tournament that's being followed by people around the world (or at least me) and seems like a blast to attend!

It was an awesome event. Best 40k tournament I've ever been to. Can't speak highly enough of it.

Please do not post a separate thread for LVO questions/commentary. all questions/commentary about the LVO should go into the main LVO thread.

Okay, since discussion in the other thread was off-topic, I have closed it and re-opened this one to use as the official LVO Discussion Thread (and updated the title accordingly).

Please keep all LVO discussion to this one thread - thanks


SGTPozy posted the results in *yet another* thread so I'm copying them here!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ts-7-qPOkZepm03I2PmHktw/htmlview#

SGTPozy wrote:
^There are the results.

So what do you guys think? Are they what you expected?

Personally, the top 5 surprised me since there were two SM primaries, one CSM primary, one Daemon primary and only one pure Eldar.

I'm not sure what he means by this, though - the top 5 certainly show up that way, but the winner was #6 Sean Nayden, right? This list seems to be including soft scores, although Sean's battle points were not the highest, either (Nick Nanavati had 2 more battle points).

those are actually just the results from friday above,

final results are here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15OO5X0UBng8tesVbH92_67fVzRGEOxyHI_44AFImXRQ/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

What were the prizes anyway?

A super sweet wooden bolt pistol that was signed by all entrants

So it seems like there was a good number of people using FBSC and Space Marines in the LVO. How did they rule on Preferred Enemy and re-rolling scatter from blast?

Tautastic wrote:
So it seems like there was a good number of people using FBSC and Space Marines in the LVO. How did they rule on Preferred Enemy and re-rolling scatter from blast?

Is this a rules issue? It seems pretty clear to me that since PE only let's you reroll 1's it's pretty useless when making to hit rolls with blast weapons. It's still great for to wound rolls, obviously.

Winner got $2000, 2nd place got 500, there were a host of renaissance man, paint, and best of awards. Best of each army got a free ticket to next year's LVO, plus an etched glass trophy. ITC awards got handed out as well, there was a ton of stuff.

Plus, a 13 year old kid from my gaming group came and played and went 4-2, and Frontline on the spot grabbed some boxes for his army and gave it to him as a young blood award.

how did the Ork player use the Void Shield Generator to his advantage?

put it in a building and keep his guys spread out to be able to be within 6ins?

Johnnytorrance wrote:
how did the Ork player use the Void Shield Generator to his advantage?

put it in a building and keep his guys spread out to be able to be within 6ins?

You're thinking of the Kustom Force Field

Johnnytorrance wrote:
how did the Ork player use the Void Shield Generator to his advantage?

put it in a building and keep his guys spread out to be able to be within 6ins?

He has a battle report thread below on dakka. He had a short discussion on the void shield before he tried it. He will be posting full battlereports this week.
Basically the void shield is worded the same as the old kff. Giving any Unit (not model) within 12in an av12 shield. So as long as 1 ork buy out of 100+ is within 12in the entire greentide unit is covered by the shield. Thus he ends up giving his 103+ assault troops 3x 12av shields vs shootings that pretty much protects the tide from anti infantry shooting or overwatch unless you dedicate anti tank shooting to taking off the 3x shields since the shields regenerate on a 5+ each turn.

bunkermonkey9 wrote:
I want to see the Dark Angel list and the Space Wolves list.

Brandon was a great player and a good gent. Had one of my funnest games with him and I lost! From memory as I'm at the airport right now heading home he had.

DA
Libby PFG
Libby PFG
10 Tacs Drop Pod (Metla I think)
10 Tacs Drop Pod (Melta again I think)
5 Assault Drop Pod 2 Flamers

IG
2 Priests
30 Conscripts
30 Conscripts
Platoon Command Squad
2 10 Man Guardsmen 1 Lascannon
Platoon Command Squad
2 10 Man Guardsmen 1 Lascannon
Leman Russ Vanquisher
2 Leman Russ (ones with the 20 rending shots) 1 with Pask.

It was unusual for sure, but Brandon played it tight and in an objective heavy field, had a ton of bodies to throw around the table. I made a big mistake near the end that cost me the game. he was my only loss.

gungo wrote:

Johnnytorrance wrote:
how did the Ork player use the Void Shield Generator to his advantage?

put it in a building and keep his guys spread out to be able to be within 6ins?

He has a battle report thread below on dakka. He had a short discussion on the void shield before he tried it. He will be posting full battlereports this week.
Basically the void shield is worded the same as the old kff. Giving any Unit (not model) within 12in an av12 shield. So as long as 1 ork buy out of 100+ is within 12in the entire greentide unit is covered by the shield. Thus he ends up giving his 103+ assault troops 3x 12av shields vs shootings that pretty much protects the tide from anti infantry shooting or overwatch unless you dedicate anti tank shooting to taking off the 3x shields since the shields regenerate on a 5+ each turn.

CaptainA wrote:

bunkermonkey9 wrote:
I want to see the Dark Angel list and the Space Wolves list.

Brandon was a great player and a good gent. Had one of my funnest games with him and I lost! From memory as I'm at the airport right now heading home he had.

DA
Libby PFG
Libby PFG
10 Tacs Drop Pod (Metla I think)
10 Tacs Drop Pod (Melta again I think)
5 Assault Drop Pod 2 Flamers

IG
2 Priests
30 Conscripts
30 Conscripts
Platoon Command Squad
2 10 Man Guardsmen 1 Lascannon
Platoon Command Squad
2 10 Man Guardsmen 1 Lascannon
Leman Russ Vanquisher
2 Leman Russ (ones with the 20 rending shots) 1 with Pask.

It was unusual for sure, but Brandon played it tight and in an objective heavy field, had a ton of bodies to throw around the table. I made a big mistake near the end that cost me the game. he was my only loss.

All those conscripts and no Azreal? This LVO continues to upend conventional wisdom.

axisofentropy wrote:


All those conscripts and no Azreal? This LVO continues to upend conventional wisdom.

The libbys made the conscripts fearless and when they were within 3 of him got the 4 up invul, He was also trying to get into close combat to bog things down and tie up units with the priests who give rerolls to save so when things were really clustered up he was very hard to kill. The drop pods were dropping on objectives giving multiple layers of protection and he had some decent long range support.

 DarkLink wrote:
Winner got $2000, 2nd place got 500, there were a host of renaissance man, paint, and best of awards. Best of each army got a free ticket to next year's LVO, plus an etched glass trophy. ITC awards got handed out as well, there was a ton of stuff.

Plus, a 13 year old kid from my gaming group came and played and went 4-2, and Frontline on the spot grabbed some boxes for his army and gave it to him as a young blood award.

The tournament winners won table war amazing cases which are fantastic, power play gift cards, relm of battle display board for the winner, and of course the AWSEOME LAS Vegas LVO plaques.

The cash prizes where for the ITC winners. So the overall winner of the entire ITC was 2K and so on.... it was amazing lots of awards and the ITC is for sure the tournament ranking you want to win.

FYI for anyone who wants to see the top 4 space wolves list, I have posted my list in the main SW tactics thread


lol that 13 year old kid did really well!

pascal and israel had super sweet paintjobs too

 easysauce wrote:
FYI for anyone who wants to see the top 4 space wolves list, I have posted my list in the main SW tactics thread


lol that 13 year old kid did really well!

pascal and israel had super sweet paintjobs too

You inspired me with the melta bomb vets in pods during our game, if you had more of them you would have beaten me fore sure. They are the perfect counter to wks for pods.

I'm playing around with a guard cad and flesh terrors detchment involving a blob and vets in pods. It will be a fun list to play around with locally I think.

yeah i played two of thenew BA detach that lets you bring up to 6 FA,


6 FA drop pods as a 2nbdary detach with IG primary...

6 melta vets in pods....


droooooooolllllllll

Since apparently a battle report is going to come out and a crap ton of people asked me about this game on Facebook and at the event ... here is a brief synopsis.

The opponent I faced round 5 playing the Ork horde player was a genuine nice guy and the game started out just fine. I was confident that I was going to win the match due to the mission and my psychic rolls where clutch getting multiple horrors and terrify against Orks is solid and because of this I was not being rules lawyer enough on my opponents and I allowed him to play sloppy on movement and even model deaths.... poor playing on my part but vegas is a different animal and with only 3 hours of sleep and lots of drinks it was tough.

Anyways I don't really want to get on a soap box but we only completed 4 turns and after 4 turns I had been up by 2 in maelstrom and with the heavy support kills I had racked up I knew I was well in the lead for Big Guns. Long story short at the end of turn 4 I won everything except first blood and warlord giving me a solid 8 points. We began to play turn 5 I moved some things and the tournament organizer Reece came by and said no you need to stop now your holding up everyone with this game...So I said the only thing fair to do is count the game a end on Turn 4 and just consider my movement top of 5 null and void. Its the only fair thing.

Matt flipped a switch here which I am familiar with... I was that guy before, I was young and wanted to win and I behaved in the past in a way that I am not proud of because of that yearning to win.

So anyway Matt started to arguing over his chances to win more maelstrom and possibly kill a slew of models all of a sudden he claims that the horde will kill 9 deamonettes 9 horrors a deamon prince and a hive tyrant. the 4 different units he was already tied up with so normal attacks.... to contest a primary objective and tie the game if he had another turn... meanwhile completely ignoring the fact that I am up on everything and I would also have another turn and as long as I score 1 point like the objective all the way in my table zone which was a guarantee I would still win....

But during the course of heated debate I just said in my mind this is not me anymore and I realized it doesn't matter this much so I did not feel like arguing and just said what ever you tie maelstrom which is what Matt was saying he would be able to do.... sounds good lets go turn this gak in we are holding up the entire tournament. At the end of it all those 3 points kept me just shy of the miss to the top 8 needed 2 points.

Now I would like to also point out if you play the green tide you need to do three things.

1) Keep a dead toll so mark down exactly how many Orks you kill each turn. i personally am sure I was cheated here in my game but have NO PROOF of this..

2) Hold your opponent to movement rules. Make them move everything as intended. Horde players are sloppy on movement and don't let this slide. Don't except the excuse "I am trying to play fast so I don't take too much time" No screw that don't bring this list if thats true.

3) Play the game with the idea you will only get to turn 4 as a max most likely since you will be making sure your opponent is following movement rules will take time and I would keep a time log. How long was my deployment verses theirs... how long was my turn 1 verses there's.... so on and so forth.

If you do this you will at the very least have a game you can walk away from without a bad taste in your mouth win or loose and I can honestly say this game was HORRIBLE and I won the game.... all my other games at LVO where fantastic even my loss to Nick Brown and great opponents and great guys on the west coast. I highly recommend going to this event in the future.

Thanks,
Pajama

Our game was a blast, even if there's nothing Dreadknights and Imperial Knights can do to FMCs.

From the video feed we know that Sean has a hairy bum. Please leave the hairy bum in the video broadcast, i need it for science reasons.

PajamaPants wrote:
/snip
Thanks,
Pajama

So, you politely accuse your opponent of cheating for your loss on a public forum where he also post. Just accept your loss and move on.

Don't turn this into a b*tchfest.

: )

Fragile wrote:

PajamaPants wrote:
/snip
Thanks,
Pajama

So, you politely accuse your opponent of cheating for your loss on a public forum where he also post. Just accept your loss and move on.

Apart from, you know, he won?

 DarkLink wrote:
Winner got $2000, 2nd place got 500, there were a host of renaissance man, paint, and best of awards. Best of each army got a free ticket to next year's LVO, plus an etched glass trophy. ITC awards got handed out as well, there was a ton of stuff.

Plus, a 13 year old kid from my gaming group came and played and went 4-2, and Frontline on the spot grabbed some boxes for his army and gave it to him as a young blood award.

I also got $250 for 3rd

Jpr wrote:

Fragile wrote:

PajamaPants wrote:
/snip
Thanks,
Pajama

So, you politely accuse your opponent of cheating for your loss on a public forum where he also post. Just accept your loss and move on.

Apart from, you know, he won?

Did you read the post? He did not win, since he did not make top 8. He did not make top 8 because he did not have enough points. He did not make enough points so he is accusing his opponent of cheating.

So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

Fragile wrote:

Jpr wrote:

Fragile wrote:

PajamaPants wrote:
/snip
Thanks,
Pajama

So, you politely accuse your opponent of cheating for your loss on a public forum where he also post. Just accept your loss and move on.

Apart from, you know, he won?

Did you read the post? He did not win, since he did not make top 8. He did not make top 8 because he did not have enough points. He did not make enough points so he is accusing his opponent of cheating.

And this is where the thread gets derailed and turns into a ball of fire. Knock it off. He had a bad game and wants to vent. It ultimately doesn't matter and he learned a lesson from it, so lets move on.

 DarkLink wrote:
Our game was a blast, even if there's nothing Dreadknights and Imperial Knights can do to FMCs.

Gordan!

Thanks man !

I had fun as well and I seriously again apologize for being so Drunk still that morning... I couldn't even eat the pizza but I think I drank like 10 cups of water during the game....

Yea it was a super tough draw without kill points just kept summoning deamonettes.

I had a lot of fun as well and I think you played it the best you could have considering the matchup and mission.

Flying MC's are real popular right now and I would say its in relation to Knights being so strong and prevalent and Hive Tyrants sooo good....

Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.

As well picked out important links/information for people who might of missed them with all the different Dakkadakka LVO threads going around.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

Fragile wrote:

PajamaPants wrote:
/snip
Thanks,
Pajama

So, you politely accuse your opponent of cheating for your loss on a public forum where he also post. Just accept your loss and move on.

Real classy, I put a post that I stand behind by name for others to leverage some advice and for a select few to know what happened since they are asking me about it and your response is totally unhelpful and poorly thought out. First off this has nothing to do about a loss, since I did not loose this game nor does this has to do with missing the top 8. If I deserved to make it I would have beat NIck in game 6. I move on from losses quite well actually, but this is in fact about crappy games that kind of stuff still bugs me and I am equally to blame this time since I did not do the things I should have done, but I am trying to recommend others to do if they are in this situation.

I simply wanted to report what happened one time instead of several places to several people and while maybe you could give too gaks or you think this is in some way a malicious attack, it is not.. more like a lessons learned post which, I feel others could leverage and use to their advantage. I think even my opponent would be able to walk away from this game with lessons learned as well and he could learn a lot about how his game play is perceived by others.

Furthermore, after reading all the Ork love ( Which is awesome cause I love Orks) on this thread there is a serious chance others will have to face the Green Tide lists in the future and I would like to help anyone else with what I learned from playing against such an army to try to have a decent game against this style list.

But seriously thanks for quoting me and trying to misdirect the intention of the post to make me look like a bitter donkey cave. You had a super effective post and very encouraging for me to post again any advice or game reports so that others can potentially leverage something from my mistakes.

@ Everyone else I am sorry to derail the thread that was not my intention I will not be posting again but felt I needed to just reply to this person. I truly hope the advice helps someone out and now I can just say look at dakka to people who asked about the game.

Much Appreciated,
Pajama

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.

As well picked out important links/information for people who might of missed them with all the different Dakkadakka LVO threads going around.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

Grey knights top 8 woot

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of Flyrants, which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

I could not agree more with this post and I think you will see a ton of these at Adepticon. I mean I can't lie I am seriously considering taking this since I tend to roll a lot of 6's and at Adepticon this thing would be amazing since you can take more sources and ally in that tricky little inquisitor with skulls and mitigate some weaknesses the list may have.

Even though I could see the ban of the Lynx I think it is important to remember what it does to the game. I think the idea of the Lynx being available to players is a deterrent for people to play with star type of units since no matter what you have in the unit the 6 will just wipe the models. The issue with banning anything is we need to consider what the implications are for the rest of the meta once that model is banned.

I think the new Harlaquins codex is going to mix things up anyway and provide combos with the Lynx + Eldar + Clowns that make it even better as a overall list....

If they keep the lynx, should un-nerf invis

What's the litany of poor sportsmanship mean?

Come Alan you are by no means perfect with the rules. Let it go.

PajamaPants wrote:


1) Keep a dead toll so mark down exactly how many Orks you kill each turn. i personally am sure I was cheated here in my game but have NO PROOF of this..


Thanks,
Pajama

There is nothing about the underlined that says your sharing "advice". Im not the one that made you look like a "bitter donkey cave".

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

The Lynx is its own deathstar if you think about it with the Nerf to invis and cheap for the points.

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Tsilber wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So with the lynx shooting the D blasts, is this a sign of more things to come such as the larger Low (titans) or perhaps a reconsideration of the Invisibility nerf?

More likely Lynx will get banned. There were a lot of complaints before/during about OP ranged D, and for good reason. Ranged D is a low risk/high reward venture that can turn an otherwise solid TAC list into mud (there is a reason Lynx + skyshield was every other Eldar list). The only reason there wasn't more Lynx domination was the prevalence of FMC's (Flyrants especially), which is a hard counter to blasts in general.

The ranged D on the Lynx is not the problem. It's damage (apart from lucky sixes) can be mitigated by good spacing and terrain use. The problem with the Lynx is it's incredible resiliency. Titan holofields alone are tough (negating half the hits outright if it moved) but the ability to combine them with an invulnerable save is absurdly tough. If you get a good anti-tank unit in position, the Lynx can then just go off table by turning itself into a zooming flyer for a turn. It was also ruled that even though it leaves the board as a zooming flyer, it returns as a skimmer (significant because the lynx isn't permitted to fire its strength D blast while zooming as part of its rules).

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

Thanks man.

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Hahahaha. Yeah I thought the same thing :/

I am actually surprised the bike list was up there - I have a very similar list but instead of running MSU I use full squads that are combat squadded

 Dozer Blades wrote:
The Lynx is its own Deathstar if you think about it with the Nerf to invis and cheap for the points.

Yea, I think thats true actually. But I think that speaks to the effects of trying to manipulate the rules.

Whenever, we decide to ban something it has the potential to make something else unbalanced.

I would like to see how the upcoming Forge The Narrative event goes this weakened since they are allowing I think almost everything and Adepticon as well.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Come Alan you are by no means perfect with the rules. Let it go.

Can't argue that one not even close as I found out this weekend getting back to the scene....

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

That's fine, at least half the lists were more about how the generals knew to use them, rather than the lists themselves (not to say any of them are bad, at all). I'd personally love if my local meta was suddenly overrun by Scouts and Lictors.

 Aves wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

That's fine, at least half the lists were more about how the generals knew to use them, rather than the lists themselves (not to say any of them are bad, at all). I'd personally love if my local meta was suddenly overrun by Scouts and Lictors.

It's nice to hear that about a 40k tournament. Kudos on a solid format to the FLG crew.

Awesome Tourney Grats to everyone!

And Grats to SEAN NAYDEN.
Way to repeat for Cold Steel Mercs!

The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

The only way to battle bad information is with good information. Supply away.

Not really the place for this. However the funny thing about poor sportsmanship scores during tourneys very few people get hit with them. If it was just one opponent sure I can see it being that person being a sore loser but when it becomes a trend it's a lot harder to claim it's everyone being sore losers and that it only happened with you. The tournament is over move on.

 adamsouza wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:
Heads up guys. I took the liberty to convert all the top 8 Lists into PDFs with Army Builder.
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/02/23/tits-tournaments-las-vegas-open-2015-top-lists/

At first I was like "Oh cool, I really wanted to see those lists" and then I was like "Oh crap, people are going to just print and field those"

Seriously though, thanks for compiling and sharing those lists.

Well the nice thing is that I wanted to help my friend with his Tyranid list and he wanted lots of Mawlocs, but didn't know where to really start. I created a list that I might post here later for criticism, but it's nice to look at these lists to get the creative juices flowing.

Msolve wrote:
Any idea of what was roughly in Ian Ager's pure space wolf list?

Hello there! Here is my list:

Battle Leader, Runic, TWC, PF/SS, Warlord
Battle Leader, Runic, TWC, PF/SS

10x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas
10x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas
7x Blood Claws
Stormwolf, TL multimeltas

Iron Priest, TWC
Iron Priest, TWC

5x TWC w/ SS/chainsword, Pack Leader w/ meltabombs

@thread: I had an absolute blast at this event, with six great opponents, including Vince Arroyo and his dastardly Brass Scorpion that finally stole my thunder
Congrats to Reece, Frankie and the entire FLG crew on an amazing event that will arguably set the standard for GTs in the coming year.

-Ian Ager

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I wonder how many of his games came to there natural conclusion?

PanzerLeader wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
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Grats on Best sisters! I was routing for you man.

Thanks man.

What was in the top sisters list? I assume this is the one that came in at number 20 with the imperial guard allies?

Just wondering, did the Secondary "Maelstom'ish" Objectives influence the use of more diverse / non-meta lists?

I'm guessing yes?

There was one guy running the Auqilla Strongpoint with Macro-Cannon, manned by Maugan Ra, can you say 3 D shots at BS 7?

Time to share 2 opinions that should get some flak.

The meta is healthy as evidenced by the diversity of armies in the top 8.

The top 8 lists are nothing special. The majority of the 256 lists that showed up were capable of winning. The top 8 got there by out playing their opponents. There is too much focus on lists and not enough on improving game play. Staying focused on lists is an easy trap to fall into because building a killer list is easy, but consistently playing like a top tier champion is hard.

Still looking to find out who got Best Paint and such. Anyone got a link?

I *did* watch the twitch feed, but missed them when I went AFK during the boring parts where names were announced, and then Reece shrugged and placed the paper on the table.

As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

What comment? I must have missed something. Also which Geoff? Weren't there a few?

He basically argued a ton of really stupid rules. As an example, the bike player at one point split Khan off of one unit of bikes, then strung out a unit of bikes to end their movment within 2" of Khan to join them to the squad. Geoff had some something like "Khan can't join that unit, IC's have to join that unit, the unit can't join the IC". The guy next to me literally looked at me and said "WTF? They just have to end in coherency, is this guy serious?" If this were a new player, sure, but for someone on the top tables, and the way he tried to argue it?

It wasn't so much that any one thing was blatantly abusive or cheating, but that Geoff questioned and argued stupid things like the above constantly. I didn't see the whole game, but everyone watching said it had occurred like that for the entire game. I did not watch the next game, but I heard several people say he did the same thing to his next opponent as well.

Edit: Oh, yeah, there were multiple Geoff's. This Geoff I think got best Space Wolves, there's also Geoff Robinson from Frontline with the bumblebee tyranids.

davethemacguy wrote:The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I watched parts of that game as well, and chatted with several people who watched the entire game. They did not have positive things to say about the sportsmanship involved, and none of the talk I heard was directed at his opponent. It wasn't for his opponent that Frontline had a judge hanging out at their table the whole game, or at the table for Geoff's next game.Geoff might normally be a cool guy, but he did not represent himself well. I saw him try to ruleslaywer his way into some sort of advantage several time over stuff so stupid that people watching the game were saying "wait, what did he just try and argue?" Maybe his opponent was being a bit of a dick, too, but I'm not talking about his opponent's behavior. Geoff's behavior, from what I saw and heard, was not something that should be acceptable for someone playing on the top tables at a tournament. I know it didn't stop with that first game either, since I heard some people mention that he was behaving the same way in the game he got knocked out in.

PajamaPants wrote:

 DarkLink wrote:
Our game was a blast, even if there's nothing Dreadknights and Imperial Knights can do to FMCs.

Gordan!

Thanks man !

I had fun as well and I seriously again apologize for being so Drunk still that morning... I couldn't even eat the pizza but I think I drank like 10 cups of water during the game....

Yea it was a super tough draw without kill points just kept summoning deamonettes.

I had a lot of fun as well and I think you played it the best you could have considering the matchup and mission.

Flying MC's are real popular right now and I would say its in relation to Knights being so strong and prevalent and Hive Tyrants sooo good....

Yeah, no worries man, it's Vegas. Heck, I almost hoped you'd show up so drunk you couldn't play straight . I pretty much knew coming into the tournament that I had zero anti-flyer and I'd be pretty well screwed against a list like yours. I'm just happy to have gotten as far as I did with what I had. And, heck, if the pairings had worked out a little differently, I had a legit shot at the top 8. Either way, the whole event was a blast.

PajamaPants wrote:


2) Hold your opponent to movement rules. Make them move everything as intended.

You'd be out of time turn 2

davethemacguy wrote:
The comment regarding Geoff and receiving poor sportsmanship scores is misleading, an inaccurate representation, and quite frankly, due to a lot of butt hurt opponents.

I know Geoff. I was there. I watched the bs his opponents were trying to pull. Because he wouldn't let them, or called them on it, he gets a poor sportsmanship score. bs.


If you want specific examples I'm willing to supply many. Many.

I watched Geoff's entire game 7 and part of his game 8. Over the course of 2.75 hours he spent more than 20 minutes arguing rules, questioning his opponent on basic rules, checking his opponents coherency and physically moving his opponents models without permission, taking liberties with the 90 degree angle of his vendetta's pivot, and more. This was all above and beyond the normal conversational and occasional questioning that takes place in such a complex game. I was appalled at his behavior; a feeling shared by everyone I spoke with from over 6 different gaming clubs who also watched the game.

Hey I just noticed Aaron Alberts Grey Knights had Sevrin Loth in it, from what my local shop understands you cant play him as he's not updated in Imperial Armour 13 which is supposed to be the only legal source for army lists in the LVO.

I'm not calling it out, I just don't know much about the rule specifications and I just want to know so I can run Sevrin around here, really stocked if I could.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

The top armies were loaded with Hive Fleet Leviathan formations, Wave Serpents. and Centurianstars. I do not see all that much diversity.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

The top armies were loaded with Hive Fleet Leviathan formations, Wave Serpents. and Centurianstars. I do not see all that much diversity.

Sure you had those you also had Bike Marines, Drop Pod Wolves, CD summoning, Orks, and Tau.

The only 2 list out of the top 10 That are remotely similar are the Centurianstars and Chaos summoning and even then those were VASTLY different from each other.

Would anyone be kind to have a video of Sean (Lictor Sean) and/or Steve (Bikes/knight) Playing a game I missed the live videos.

-Tyranid 6e book comes out.
-Friend asks me to help him make a more competitive list.
-I muddle through the codex and then decide to put together flyrants, mawlocs, and lictors as the main body of the list.
-He's like "I don't think this is very good."
-this LVO happens a year later.
-I call him and shout "VINDICATION!" into the phone.

niv-mizzet wrote:
-Tyranid 6e book comes out.
-Friend asks me to help him make a more competitive list.
-I muddle through the codex and then decide to put together flyrants, mawlocs, and lictors as the main body of the list.
-He's like "I don't think this is very good."
-this LVO happens a year later.
-I call him and shout "VINDICATION!" into the phone.

I think every player that new the rules/meta well enough came to this.....

When I saw Flying rules + cheaper flyrants + players taking less Heavy armor vehicles for the HP scare, 12 S6 Tl shots on a 24" moving MC that needed 6's to hit was WAY to good to pass up.

Then you look at Mawlocs and think.. 2-6 (if you have 1-3 and you get dbl hits in sometimes) S6-AP2 Last blasts? Heck yeah!, Put ina Malonthrope and a couple Lictor for synergy and your good.

I thik the bing thing was at the time Very few players had Flyrants and was to scared to put that much money/points into 2-3 Flyrants and use Mawlocs.


I personally was Doing 2 Dakka Flyrants, 3 Crones, 2 Mawlocs, malonthrope right at 6th edition. I still feel crones are very good for there points and will always play them.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
As diversity in army lists increases (as it inevitably will with such a fast release schedule) winning games becomes closer to 25-30% list building! and the rest is skill with said list, and overall out playing the opponent.

This is why I love 7th edition. The cream rises to the top.

To their credit, most of the top ranked players and both the finalists have been rising to the top for three consecutive editions. Also, some of the army data collated out there shows very similar distribution and win %s. It IS cool that the top players didn't feel forced into carbon copy lists, but more or less the same people rose up And did well/won.

PanzerLeader wrote:

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

I also played 2 lynxes. They were my only 2 losses because I wasted shooting at the lynx, and my opponents rolled very lucky.

Both games started with my opponent d-slapping my Barbed herodule, aka Rolling a 6 and ignoring its 2+ or 3+ cover on their 1st shooting attack turn 1. Both games essentially ended turn 5 with a lynx shooting me off an objective by rolling a 6. One game went on to 6, but I didn't have anything left to take the objective.

You never like to lose, but those losses leave you with major feel baddies.

tag8833 wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

I played 2 lynxes at the LVO. In one game, terrain and positioning forced it to come off the sky shield and I was able to kill it when my opponent forgot to move it one turn. In the second, I never even got close to touching it with damage.

I also played 2 lynxes. They were my only 2 losses because I wasted shooting at the lynx, and my opponents rolled very lucky.

Both games started with my opponent d-slapping my Barbed herodule, aka Rolling a 6 and ignoring its 2+ or 3+ cover on their 1st shooting attack turn 1. Both games essentially ended turn 5 with a lynx shooting me off an objective by rolling a 6. One game went on to 6, but I didn't have anything left to take the objective.

You never like to lose, but those losses leave you with major feel baddies.

I played Tyler's eldar round 6, before I say anything I want to say Tyler was a fantastic opponent, had a solid list, and played it very well. I am not sure what his score was going into the game, but I had to win or I was out as I had won all my games before by scores of 7 to 4 mostly. Long story short, the first str d hit I took I was able to recover from, but losing 2 objsec units on the final turn of the game was really crippling. Especially when the game came down to the last few rolls. Tyler won 4-2. I dropped from 4th to 21st.

It's tough to go all that way and lose a game that close when twice your only interaction with the lynx is just picking up the model and removing it. Now I could have taken one,but in my play testing I did not think an eldar lynx build had the legs to win 9 rounds, and I felt I had a better chance of going far with my eldar list.

I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

 RiTides wrote:
I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

I never said they are great, I said having a couple was good synergy with Mawlocs. I feel they are alittle over cost for what they do, but have 1-2 if your playing Mawlocs has been around for a while now.

Also remember formations were not really a thing when the tyranid codex came out. However, once people -- Sean mostly - pieced together little bits and pieces of formations or detachments for tyranids it started to come together. Definitely an innovative way to beat down serpant-spam lists so props to him.

Now if someone fits pyrevores in their lists - we have ourselves an internet winner.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

Hey man, I played mawlocs as soon as the codex came out

#teamdakkadakkadetchment3

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

I never said they are great, I said having a couple was good synergy with Mawlocs. I feel they are alittle over cost for what they do, but have 1-2 if your playing Mawlocs has been around for a while now.

I should clarify that it was a general comment, not aimed at you specifically - I've seen similar things posted a few places. All I'm noting is that, if people did have these suspicions, they kept it to themselves mostly. Playing a private game or telling a friend it could be a good idea is one thing, but this player committed to the tactic, and won two major tournies with it when probably 95% (or more?) of tyranid lists were fielding no Lictors at all. He's even fielding 2 Hive Guard, which have had a similar reception among the majority of Tyranid players and suffer a similar exclusion from lists.

He's definitely shown that it's the list as a whole that matters, not the points efficiency of it's individual parts, and of course his skill in playing it. But people here are still saying they're not intimidated by his list!!! What he's doing hasn't been "around for a while now", unless people were just playing it in their basements... he's not fielding 1-2 lictors, he's fielding 6 and 2 hive guard

Fidel - Agreed, but I don't see That one happening barring a really insane formation bonus.

 krootman. wrote:
Hey man, I played mawlocs as soon as the codex came out

#teamdakkadakkadetchment3

Haha, that you did, and it was awesome! I thought you were a bit crazy at the time, too, but it was impressive . A shame our 150 gaunts from AdeptiCon '14 aren't as viable, though... until someone comes up with a #gauntshame list, that is

 RiTides wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

I never said they are great, I said having a couple was good synergy with Mawlocs. I feel they are alittle over cost for what they do, but have 1-2 if your playing Mawlocs has been around for a while now.

I should clarify that it was a general comment, not aimed at you specifically - I've seen similar things posted a few places. All I'm noting is that, if people did have these suspicions, they kept it to themselves mostly. Playing a private game or telling a friend it could be a good idea is one thing, but this player committed to the tactic, and won two major tournies with it when probably 95% (or more?) of tyranid lists were fielding no Lictors at all. He's even fielding 2 Hive Guard, which have had a similar reception among the majority of Tyranid players and suffer a similar exclusion from lists.

He's definitely shown that it's the list as a whole that matters, not the points efficiency of it's individual parts, and of course his skill in playing it. But people here are still saying they're not intimidated by his list!!! What he's doing hasn't been "around for a while now", unless people were just playing it in their basements... he's not fielding 1-2 lictors, he's fielding 6 and 2 hive guard

Fidel - Agreed, but I don't see That one happening barring a really insane formation bonus.

 krootman. wrote:
Hey man, I played mawlocs as soon as the codex came out

#teamdakkadakkadetchment3

Haha, that you did and it was awesome! I thought you were a bit crazy at the time, too, but it was impressive . A shame my 150 gaunts from AdeptiCon '14 aren't as viable, though... until someone comes up with a #gauntshame list, that is.

yeah.. my 60 H-gants, 80 T-gants with 60 Goyles are doing NOTHING right now at all...... what a shame.

 RiTides wrote:


I never said they are great, I said having a couple was good synergy with Mawlocs. I feel they are alittle over cost for what they do, but have 1-2 if your playing Mawlocs has been around for a while now.
I should clarify that it was a general comment, not aimed at you specifically - I've seen similar things posted a few places. All I'm noting is that, if people did have these suspicions, they kept it to themselves mostly. Playing a private game or telling a friend it could be a good idea is one thing, but this player committed to the tactic, and won two major tournies with it when probably 95% (or more?) of tyranid lists were fielding no Lictors at all. He's even fielding 2 Hive Guard, which have had a similar reception among the majority of Tyranid players and suffer a similar exclusion from lists.

Tyrant Guard. He fielded 2 individual Tyrant Guard units. Which now that I look at it, they are kind of like slower lictors but on steroids with T6 and a 3+ armor save. Not a bad goalie unit at all really.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Would anyone be kind to have a video of Sean (Lictor Sean) and/or Steve (Bikes/knight) Playing a game I missed the live videos.

Steve never played on a televised table. He lost to Geoff in round 7. I watched that entire game and his game 6 against Alex Fennel the previous day. I'd be happy to recap if interested, it involved hiding his command squad, full reserving everything else (outflanking all the remaining bikes) and surgical striking from maelstrom objectives.

Is this Geoff guy who was getting so much flak for his sportsmanship the reason the other Geoff and Goatboy kept making "what's a thunderfire cannon?" jokes during the finals?

DaftPunk wrote:
Hey I just noticed Aaron Alberts Grey Knights had Sevrin Loth in it, from what my local shop understands you cant play him as he's not updated in Imperial Armour 13 which is supposed to be the only legal source for army lists in the LVO.

I'm not calling it out, I just don't know much about the rule specifications and I just want to know so I can run Sevrin around here, really stocked if I could.

This is he. There isn't anything listed on the Frontline site and they checked all of our lists before we played. I used the updated version that is available in PDF on the Forgeworld site. I don't THINK I did anything wrong.

 punchdub wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Would anyone be kind to have a video of Sean (Lictor Sean) and/or Steve (Bikes/knight) Playing a game I missed the live videos.

Steve never played on a televised table. He lost to Geoff in round 7. I watched that entire game and his game 6 against Alex Fennel the previous day. I'd be happy to recap if interested, it involved hiding his command squad, full reserving everything else (outflanking all the remaining bikes) and surgical striking from maelstrom objectives.

thats ok, what you said was enough. Thanks.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm calling a bit of BS on folks who were all like "I always said Lictors were great!" There's a reason when he won his prior event everyone called it "Lictorshame", because people had generally thought they were terrible and you saw them in very Very few lists. He countered the meta of waveserpents with them (in conjunction with his entire list, of course) and was pretty darn innovative to do so at the previous event he won, and to win even bigger with it now. So major props to Sean for blazing his own trail with that list for others to follow!

Sean innovates every list he builds because he's not much of a net lister and, like several "pockets" around the country, is in one of the hardcore 40k player communities (CSMs, inclusive of Fennell and also the broader NE community like Nanavati and Born and co).

It's natural for people, even those who didn't talk about it much, to be like YEAH I TOLJA LICTORS ARE GOOD. That's the internet. It would be wrong of people to be like "well obviously he ran lictors everybody knows they're good" ... since, no, that's obviously untrue. But it's also untrue that everybody thought they were bad or they were broadly thought awful; hell, on the night the codex dropped way back, I was playing Nanavati (who was using his dronestar in 6th edition iteration) and snarked a win out using 3 lictor squads and deathleaper. They've never been "bad."

What is more worth noting is that almost nobody who is claiming to have been so tuned into Lictors really understands all the nuanced little things he does with them and his list in general to be super effective. Most folks are only hinting at the more obvious ones when they're talking about how they "knew" lictors were great (i.e. laser guided mawlocs). So ... yes, Sean is one of the more innovative guys ... his DE/E lists also trailblazed, he just got a little less lucky on his dice here and there in the GTs he played in (While still finishing right near the top every time). But no, it's not as if he's the first ever to mess around with Lictors successfully. And then yes, quite simultaneously, it's not as if other people were blogging all over about how awesome they were or winning GTs with them.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Is this Geoff guy who was getting so much flak for his sportsmanship the reason the other Geoff and Goatboy kept making "what's a thunderfire cannon?" jokes during the finals?

I am slightly confused with this reference?

fidel wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Is this Geoff guy who was getting so much flak for his sportsmanship the reason the other Geoff and Goatboy kept making "what's a thunderfire cannon?" jokes during the finals?

I am slightly confused with this reference?

I was watching the livestream on sunday. During the last 2 games which i caught parts of, the commentators would occasionally make a reference to the effect of "What's a thunderfire cannon do?" or "what's a techmarine, what does he have?" etc., then laugh. I'm assuming it was making light of a player who had asked these very basic questions as if he had no idea what these units were, despite making it to the top tables of a GT. I was just wondering if the person who has been mentioned here in this thread for poor sportsmanship is the person they were referring to when they were making those jokes. Just curious, that's all.

As an aside - I'd really love to attend LVO in 2016. I've only played locally here in WV so i don't really have any grand designs to win the whole tournament, but i'd love to go and compete next year. It looked like a blast.

Does anyone have a link to the games??? I still have yet to watch and see how they played out.

BTW did anyone read the bottom of the Nids list.... Spore mines? What do spore mines do? lol

krootman. wrote: I played Tyler's eldar round 6, before I say anything I want to say Tyler was a fantastic opponent, had a solid list, and played it very well. I am not sure what his score was going into the game, but I had to win or I was out as I had won all my games before by scores of 7 to 4 mostly. Long story short, the first str d hit I took I was able to recover from, but losing 2 objsec units on the final turn of the game was really crippling. Especially when the game came down to the last few rolls. Tyler won 4-2. I dropped from 4th to 21st.

It's tough to go all that way and lose a game that close when twice your only interaction with the lynx is just picking up the model and removing it. Now I could have taken one,but in my play testing I did not think an eldar lynx build had the legs to win 9 rounds, and I felt I had a better chance of going far with my eldar list.

I feel you. I played Tyler in Round 5 myself. Great opponent and I take solace from his high finish. But the main reason I say the its absurd survivability is the problem is that lack of interaction. If the Lynx couldn't benefit from the skyshield, you'd have an armor 11 vehicle that is essentially dragging around its own 4++ much like a knight. That is killable, just like any other vehicle in the game. Its the stacking of cover/invulernables on top of the holofields that make it over the top.

Breazeal wrote: What was in the top sisters list? I assume this is the one that came in at number 20 with the imperial guard allies?

The quick rundown: Celestine, 2x BSS squads, 3x Dominion squads, 3x Exorcists, allied CCS, Veteran squad, Vendetta, and Wyvern Battery.

 Tomb King wrote:
Does anyone have a link to the games??? I still have yet to watch and see how they played out.

BTW did anyone read the bottom of the Nids list.... Spore mines? What do spore mines do? lol

I was assuming that at times the spore mines could drift into the blast radius of Mawlocs adding additional hits to everything under the template, but didn't see this on the stream.

It seems they are cheap additional threats to deal with that don't provide kill points.